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Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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and talking to no one else

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would I rather as well. The

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NFL Draft is now

0:13

in the rear view. The Lakers

0:16

season is about to be as well. I'm sorry

0:18

I'm.

0:18

Jumping to that. Good listen exactly

0:21

just just we're exactly where I

0:23

thought we'd be.

0:24

No, no, no, no, we are.

0:26

Okay. Well, the last thing, well,

0:28

we'll wait. Okay, since you want to just start off

0:31

with violence, okay, since

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you want to you don't want to ease into violence, you

0:35

want to start off with.

0:36

Violence for sweep, I didn't say, sweet,

0:38

what.

0:39

I said to you. The last thing I said to you

0:43

last Sunday was gosh,

0:45

I hope in

0:47

seven days we're not in

0:49

here and the Lakers are out of the

0:51

playoffs.

0:52

And he was like, could

0:54

be, could be? Could be? Well,

0:57

we're not. I will where

1:00

not.

1:00

I remember saying there would actually

1:03

be no four game series in

1:05

the West. However, I wonder

1:07

if you're ready to have a conversation that

1:09

you should be ready to have. And it's not even

1:11

about this series, and we'll

1:14

get to it in a second, but I actually

1:17

I'm so excited to talk to

1:19

you about the NFL draft right as it

1:21

comes to a close, because there

1:23

were some questions that popped up into

1:25

my mind this week, and I really

1:27

love the perspective of someone who's been

1:29

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You know this, I know this. We've got kids.

1:54

You look at your kids differently than

1:56

you look at other kids. If

1:59

you hear about a fight at high school, you're

2:02

thinking, good lord, I mean.

2:04

These kids, these kids these days.

2:07

If they call and it's your kid

2:09

in the fight, you immediately start

2:11

thinking about, well, what did the other kid do? And

2:13

how come the staff

2:16

there at school wasn't there to help

2:18

out.

2:19

That's natural.

2:21

I get it, different rules for

2:23

different people, different players. But

2:25

let's talk for a second about what

2:28

the Atlanta Falcons did in

2:30

this draft a few nights

2:32

ago, because my question

2:35

and I don't want the obvious answer. I

2:37

know quarterbacks are different, but

2:40

ephraim the entire draft,

2:44

literally the point of its existence

2:48

is for NFL teams to

2:50

go in there, find all

2:52

the good college players and

2:55

get ready, at least get ready

2:58

to replace the players they can't

3:00

have, or at minimum

3:03

create competition.

3:05

Nobody bats an eye.

3:07

If you've got good receivers and you

3:09

draft a receiver, people are like, we

3:12

need more good receivers. If

3:14

you've got a good offensive line, you draft

3:17

to tackle, well, you know what, lots of

3:19

injuries there got to get ready.

3:21

Can never have too many big guys. You'd

3:25

say that about every position. For

3:28

some reason.

3:29

If you draft a quarterback when you've

3:31

already got a highly paid.

3:32

One, it's like offensive.

3:35

We immediately run to the highly paid

3:37

quarterback and go, are you okay?

3:40

Are you mentally stable enough

3:43

to handle?

3:44

I know we're paying you one hundred million

3:46

dollars, but are you okay?

3:49

Because this team just offended

3:51

you.

3:52

They just picked someone else who

3:55

also plays your position. The

3:57

horror, Why do

3:59

we do that only with quarterbacks?

4:01

We would never do that with anyone else. Well, because

4:04

we make quarterbacks more than just NFL

4:06

players. We've designed

4:08

the league and the rules around quarterback

4:11

play. We only give

4:13

the MVP to quarterbacks, although

4:15

it's not an offensive

4:17

award necessarily, so

4:20

it's no longer the best player in

4:22

the league. It's the best quarterback in the league.

4:26

Systematically, throughout the years,

4:28

we've made the quarterback

4:30

more important than any other position.

4:33

Now, granted, the quarterback

4:35

is the most important player on the position.

4:37

I mean on a team, of course, because

4:41

so much of your

4:43

cap money goes to that player.

4:47

Now, the thing had been if

4:49

you can get a young quarterback on a rookie

4:51

deal, then you can build out a roster until

4:54

you got to pay them over the moon. So

4:57

that's what the formula is now.

5:00

Look at teams like Atlanta who

5:05

went on and drafted a quarterback and

5:09

Michael Pennix after

5:12

giving Kirk Cousins all that guaranteed

5:14

money. The

5:17

layman would be like, oh my god, this is crazy.

5:20

I hate Kirk Cousins. This is the

5:22

worst thing ever.

5:23

This is the perfect thing, not

5:26

only for the Atlanta Falcons, but

5:28

for Michael Pennix Junior.

5:31

The thing I don't like.

5:35

About quarterbacks going early in

5:37

the first round is what we saw

5:40

happening to Bryce Young last year. What

5:43

we saw happen to any

5:46

of the Bears quarterback, Well, that's

5:48

just a tradition, right.

5:50

So.

5:52

We feel like, Okay, they took

5:54

a quarterback. It's over, right,

5:57

Like I really feel sorry for Drake

5:59

May.

6:02

I feel bad for him because

6:05

he's gonna be he's gonna step into a situation

6:09

where he's going to

6:11

be asked a lot a lot of him

6:14

and they may not be ready for that.

6:19

Right.

6:19

I think JJ McCarthy

6:21

is also in a great situation. Number

6:24

one of the team around him is

6:30

so much better than anybody's

6:32

team in the top nine in

6:36

terms of a team who drafted

6:38

a quarterback. So

6:42

I I it's it's it's gotten

6:44

into a situation to where

6:48

teams are really realizing, I

6:50

can get this guy, and if he does

6:52

it a year, two years, it's

6:55

okay, We're not going

6:57

to answer any questions about why they aren't playing

7:00

anything like that. Look

7:02

at what Green Bay did and look how it worked

7:04

out for there you go. So

7:07

I think teams are now not

7:09

filling the pressure of drafting

7:11

a guy in the top ten and

7:13

putting him in immediately unless

7:16

you're in a situation like a Caleb Williams,

7:19

a Jayden Daniels, who I think could

7:21

benefit from a year of

7:23

not playing at all.

7:25

Look, I think there are

7:28

situations where there's no other way

7:30

to do it, and I get it. There have been

7:32

those situations that have been successful,

7:34

though they do take a minute and

7:37

every player is kind of on their own

7:39

in terms of what you do better to sit for a second,

7:41

would you do better to play right away?

7:43

Learn on the job.

7:44

Look at the two names we bring up, even though this

7:46

isn't right because one of them is way better and more

7:48

successful than the other. But the first two names we

7:50

always bring up are Patrick Mahomes

7:52

and Josh Allen. Josh Allen is thrown

7:55

in right away, It doesn't look very good for a

7:57

year, then looks very mediocre

7:59

for a year, then and popped. Mahomes

8:02

sits for a year, then year two

8:05

bang ready to go right away. And

8:07

I do think that we've lost that in the

8:09

NFL and it would be good

8:12

in certain situations to get back to that.

8:14

You mentioned the team. Look, there's

8:16

one team that

8:19

I in the NFL. If you go

8:21

back now about fifteen to twenty years,

8:24

who's the one NFL team that

8:27

has not had a massive drop

8:30

off rebuild scenario?

8:34

You said twenty teen, one team twenty

8:36

years.

8:36

About fifteen twenty years now. They've

8:39

never gone through a huge rebuild.

8:43

One team.

8:44

Let me see, who would that be outside

8:47

of what the Patriot's been doing the last two

8:49

years. We're counting those, right.

8:50

Yeah, I mean that's put it this way. They've

8:52

transitioned on the fly

8:55

without a rebuild. It's one

8:58

team, SA Green Bay Packers.

9:00

Yeah, you're rightbe Packers right?

9:02

And why because their quarterbacks

9:05

sit there and stare at football

9:08

for two or three years before

9:10

you ask them to do anything, and then when they get

9:12

in there they're adults now.

9:15

Their superstar quarterbacks when

9:17

you draft someone always get mad.

9:22

And I guess I'd respond to that by saying, so

9:24

what so

9:27

what?

9:27

So?

9:28

What?

9:29

Why?

9:29

Why are we so worried about

9:32

the mental health of dudes who are literally

9:34

the faces of the league.

9:37

Kirk Cousins is worried. I

9:39

remember an interview this is

9:41

going back now, six seven, eight

9:43

years ago, Chargers had

9:45

the seventh overall pick.

9:47

Philip Rivers was asked, how

9:50

would you feel if the.

9:52

Chargers took a QB openly

9:54

said, well, I wouldn't

9:56

like that. I wouldn't like that at all. Yeah,

9:59

criticize for it a little bit. I understand where

10:01

he's coming from. He's like, that's

10:03

the seventh pick in the draft. I want someone who

10:05

can help me. However,

10:09

teams are in charge

10:11

of building themselves, and that's for this year,

10:14

that's for next year, it's for the year beyond. There's

10:16

all kinds of reasons to do it in thirty

10:18

five year old plus qbs

10:20

also get hurt a lot. I mean,

10:23

the biggest left out story in this whole

10:25

thing is that Kirk Cousins is in his mid thirties

10:28

and coming off of an achilles tear. I'd

10:31

want to bolster my quarterback room.

10:33

Too, Yeah, because

10:35

now the pressure's not on him.

10:38

I think the main thing is if Kurt

10:40

is healthy and ready to go in training camp.

10:43

I think the best thing that Atlanta

10:45

could do would

10:48

go win some games with Kirk Cousins, build

10:52

up a winning culture. So

10:55

when Michael Pennix Junior steps into

10:57

it and when you call

10:59

upon him to carry on that

11:01

winning culture, it's not

11:04

like pushing a boulder up a hill,

11:07

right that you have to in

11:10

that division. With Kirk Cousins,

11:13

you can win the division absolutely,

11:16

and that should.

11:17

Be your goal.

11:18

Michael Pennix Junior should be thrilled

11:23

to be in the NFL after

11:25

being drafted that high, after his storied

11:29

two MCLs. I

11:31

mean, acl excuse me, shoulder

11:33

surgery, after all of those

11:35

things. To still

11:37

be drafted in the top ten in

11:40

the NFL as a quarterback, I

11:42

mean, that's a blessing. Now

11:44

to go to a team where

11:47

he may not be called upon to

11:50

do it now is also

11:52

a blessing. So don't

11:54

look at it, and I hope these young players aren't looking

11:57

at it like, man, I want my chance. Hey man,

11:59

this is not You're not going

12:01

against Arizona

12:03

State. You're

12:06

not going against you know, as

12:09

good as Utah's defense. Where you're not going against

12:11

Utah's defense. You're

12:14

not going against Arizona. You're

12:17

going against the Saints, Tampa

12:20

Bay, right at

12:23

Carolina, everybody got Pro bowlers. So

12:26

not having that pressure put on him when

12:29

I don't think he's ready for the pressure. Now, some

12:32

quarterbacks come in ready. I think Caleb Williams,

12:34

especially because of what the Bears

12:36

have done. The one

12:38

knock on the Bears is we've continued

12:40

to say they haven't built out their roster.

12:43

Well we're seeing them do that starting

12:45

to Now, Yeah, they're getting

12:48

the message that hey, we can't just

12:50

draft a guy and expect him to

12:52

write the whole ship. We got to fix

12:54

the rooms on the ship. And

12:57

I think that's what they're doing. They did it in free agency

13:00

doing it. They're addressing those needs in the draft and

13:02

I think they'll I think they'll be there

13:05

on the road to being successful.

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13:11

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That is e from Salama. Mark Willer, Glad you're

14:36

with us. I mean, I'm just I'm

14:38

mindful of the quarterback

14:41

draft three years ago and

14:43

I think we've touched on this a time or

14:45

two.

14:46

This was an epic quarterback

14:49

draft.

14:49

Five qbs are going in the top half

14:52

of the first round. Oh

14:54

my goodness, which one do you want?

14:56

Can't wait to see it all play out. Trevor

15:00

Lawrence is pretty good. I

15:03

think pretty good.

15:04

Yeah, Trevor Lawrence is he can play? Yeah,

15:07

yeah, it's a good player.

15:09

Zach Wilson dumped Trey Lance

15:12

dumped, Justin Fields dumped,

15:14

Mac Jones dumped And

15:19

so what's that didn't they didn't even

15:21

what's thatpp?

15:22

That's five right, that's that's.

15:24

More out of the five are no longer

15:26

they have been They have been

15:28

dumped for low round draft

15:31

capital or or less.

15:35

And uh.

15:36

And yes, each of them had a little

15:38

bit of a different experience a ramp up.

15:40

Lance is with a good team.

15:42

The others are with a you know, Fields

15:44

and Wilson are with a bad team. Mac Jones

15:46

is with an OK team. Mac had about

15:49

offensive coordinator, Fields had no weapons.

15:51

Lance got hurt, the garoppolo

15:54

complexity, Uh, Zach Wilson,

15:56

Oh, the Jets are stop.

15:59

Imagine if none

16:03

of those young men had

16:05

to play right away, That's

16:07

what I'm getting at. Imagine

16:10

them still being on their current

16:14

or their their their drafted team

16:18

and now stepping into a

16:21

role of pushing

16:24

the team better. Imagine

16:29

how much better they'd be if

16:33

Trey Lance didn't have to come in and

16:38

play and get hurt and do

16:40

all of those things. I mean, just

16:43

in general, he had the least amount of experience

16:46

out of anybody in the whole draft at

16:49

their respect

16:51

to position. I mean,

16:53

essentially, played a year double

16:56

A football and

16:59

so it's one of those situations

17:02

where teams heap

17:06

the pressures of a franchise

17:10

on an individual player. We don't

17:12

talk about the running back or

17:15

the receiver or the defensive

17:17

end. That like,

17:20

we won't be Melik Neighbors.

17:23

The Giants, won't hinge on

17:26

Melik Neighbors. The

17:30

Arizona Cardinals if

17:32

they're not successful, we won't be talking about

17:35

Marvin Harrison Junior. Right,

17:42

But if the Bears

17:44

are trash again, it's Caleb Williams,

17:47

if the Commanders, it's

17:49

Jaden Daniels. The

17:51

Patriots they can't still get

17:53

it together. Oh god, Drake maybe got another

17:56

Matt Jones here. That'll

17:58

be the narrative at the end of the sea.

18:00

No doubt, no doubt. And the whole

18:02

thing.

18:03

I think that the root of it

18:06

is impatience. I mean,

18:08

listen to what just happened during our commercial

18:11

break. There there's

18:13

Dan and the dan Nettes talking about

18:15

the Falcons and what are

18:17

they essentially saying?

18:19

I want to see Pennix now too

18:21

bad?

18:22

Why too bad?

18:24

You don't get to you know what I mean?

18:26

Like the team The bad

18:28

teams are the ones who

18:30

get dictated by what's going on

18:33

in the public.

18:35

Those are the bad teams.

18:37

They maneuver because of public

18:39

pressure or what the fans think,

18:42

or or fire the coach or

18:44

all of that stuff. The

18:46

good ones, I think are the ones. This is

18:48

one of the reasons the draft is really fun on this

18:50

stuff. The good ones are the ones who are willing

18:52

to be like, yeah, I know you think

18:54

he's a third rounder. We took him in

18:56

the first because

18:59

we think you're wrong and

19:01

we're running the show. And

19:04

sometimes they're right, sometimes

19:06

they're right. Don't get me started on draft grades

19:09

now, No, no, no, don't don't. Don't

19:11

you get me started on every

19:13

single platform out there, who's

19:15

decided today who did well and who

19:17

didn't do well. It

19:20

should be thirty two

19:22

consecutive sentences that say

19:24

the same thing, we don't

19:26

know yet, there's

19:29

your draft grades. I

19:31

don't care if you think somebody was a reach

19:34

or if somebody slipped, Like,

19:37

why do we show up again every

19:39

year to think.

19:40

That we know, we don't

19:43

know, we don't know.

19:45

The kids gotta fit, the kids gotta

19:47

get the head screwed on straight.

19:48

The kids gotta handle the money. The kids

19:51

got to handle the family.

19:52

The fame, the pressure, and

19:55

I don't care if he ran a four to four or

19:57

not. I don't know any

19:59

of those things until way later. No,

20:04

I think it's a blessing for Michael

20:06

Pennix.

20:07

I reck, I think it's brilliant.

20:09

But the way we should

20:11

be talking about the draft, like you

20:13

say, the Bears, right, what the Bears

20:15

did is they used their first three picks on

20:18

offense. They got their quarterback,

20:21

they got a real

20:24

deal receiver, and

20:28

they got an offensive lineman, an offensive

20:30

tackle. That's how you

20:32

address a need. That's

20:35

what they did offensively through

20:37

the draft. First three picks. They

20:40

addressed the offensive side

20:42

of the ball. How those things will pan.

20:45

Out, we'll see.

20:46

But did they address the need? Of course

20:49

they did so boom.

20:52

Okay, they didn't reach.

20:54

They didn't draft someone. You

20:58

know who, maybe Taylor

21:00

Williams's gonna come in and play Roma

21:04

Doomsday.

21:06

He's a stud. Everything

21:11

you think that kid can play, I

21:13

agree with you.

21:14

He can play like.

21:15

Bas just based on just

21:17

his film right like

21:20

he Okay, he can play.

21:21

Yep, he can play. So

21:24

I just know if he can play for the Bears.

21:26

But he can play, well, hey, look he's

21:28

there.

21:29

Now.

21:29

They got a quarterback with talent. They

21:34

got a top ten receiver, I

21:36

mean I would have him top two

21:39

in the entire draft.

21:40

And another top twenty receiver. I know

21:42

he's starting to get old. No, there's no doubt.

21:44

That Keenan Allen is gonna come in as a

21:47

perfect combination for

21:49

Rome and Keenan. So

21:52

what we'll say about the Bears is they

21:55

truly addressed a need to

21:58

make their roster, especially offensively

22:01

competitive, and

22:05

I'm okay with that. I'm excited about

22:08

that. We saw the Jets do it two

22:10

years in a row. Outside

22:13

of the quarterback position. They

22:15

went out and they got competitive. We

22:18

just saw the Houston Texans

22:20

do it last year, right

22:24

They they went out and drafted

22:29

at at need and those

22:31

those two players did They drafted first

22:35

with their first two picks in the in the in the in

22:37

the first round. Won

22:39

the award that they could win at the end of the year,

22:42

and that's Offensive Defensive Rookie and Offensive

22:45

Rookie and Defensive Rookie of the Year. Did

22:48

they win the draft, Well, of course they did. Okay,

22:52

the top two picks one of

22:54

the most two prestigious awards for rookies.

22:58

So yeah, they won the draft. We be

23:00

saying this about the Bears. Will

23:02

they have the rookie of the year, offensive rookie

23:04

of the year. Will

23:07

both of those guys be Pro bowlers? Are all

23:09

pro?

23:11

We'll see.

23:12

But they did address the need with the talent

23:15

that was available.

23:17

And I'm I'm like that.

23:18

And speaking of talent, and

23:21

we got a guy who have

23:23

you ever been in a draft when every draft

23:25

pick is the first pick in the draft? That's

23:29

our guy, Steven

23:32

d the Seger.

23:34

Why, thank you very much, and good evening, gentlemen.

23:36

I assume you saw a little of that Clippers game.

23:39

Wow, what happened there?

23:41

Clippers were at Dallas and leading the

23:44

MAVs fifty five to twenty

23:46

four in the first half, blew

23:49

the entire lead and still won the

23:51

playoff game on the road, even though Kawhi

23:53

Leonard was out with knee inflammation. Won

23:55

sixteen to one to eleven clips the final. They're

23:58

tied in the first game series against the Mavericks

24:00

at two games apiece. Paul George had twenty

24:02

six points in the first half, thirty three for

24:05

the game. James Harden with thirty three and some

24:07

clutch buckets in the NBA in

24:09

the play by play era the last twenty

24:11

five plus years. They refer to that

24:13

because instead of a final stat sheet,

24:16

they actually as the players are going along

24:18

list, this guy got to rebound, this guy got

24:20

to steal. So in the play by

24:22

play era, still the only team

24:24

to rally from being down at least thirty

24:27

to win a playoff game. Ironically,

24:29

the Clippers did so five years ago against

24:32

Golden State. Here today, the Clippers

24:34

were leading by thirty one, blew

24:37

that lead and still get the W.

24:39

And now, according to Statzinc, the Dallas

24:41

Mavericks become the first team ever

24:44

to lose an NBA playoff game in regulation,

24:47

even though one of their players had forty points

24:49

and another had a triple double. Kyrie

24:51

Irving and Luka Donsich And

24:54

there were a lot of Nick fans in

24:56

Philadelphia today.

24:58

I thought they were at home Philadelphia.

25:01

Wow, that was that was

25:03

notable. That really came through the screen.

25:06

And the Knicks were winners ninety

25:08

seven ninety two at Philly

25:11

to take a three games to one lead in that first

25:13

round series. Jalen Brunson forty seven

25:15

points and tennis sist real

25:18

deal, Yeah, it's just silly. How good he

25:21

has been on a consistent basis, not

25:23

just in this series, I mean for a while now,

25:25

and he's back in Philly having a game like

25:27

that today. Meanwhile, at Indiana,

25:29

it's now Pacers seventy six sixty

25:31

six over Milwaukee just a couple minutes

25:34

into the third quarter. The Bucks were playing

25:36

surprisingly well until these last

25:38

couple of minutes. Now they're down ten. Milwaukee

25:41

is shooting fifty six percent from the floor,

25:43

but Janis Antennacumpo is

25:46

out again with a strained calf, Damian Lillard

25:48

out with a strained achilles tonight, and Bobby

25:50

Portis got kicked out early in the game. And

25:53

now it's a double digit deficit. But

25:56

the late game in an hour will have the

25:58

Minnesota timberwolvesseeds

26:00

in the West, up three games to none, playing

26:02

at Phoenix. In the NHL

26:04

playoffs, Vancouver has won in overtime

26:07

in a comeback at Nashville four

26:09

to three, Vancouver winning a

26:11

playoff game after being down two in the

26:13

third period for the first time in over twenty

26:15

years. Predators conversely lose

26:18

a playoff game when they were up to in the

26:20

third period for their first time

26:22

ever, and at Colorado

26:24

Avalanche five to one over Winnipeg,

26:26

so while the Canucks lead three games to one,

26:29

Avalanche now up three games to one in

26:31

a first round series, and the number one

26:33

New York Rangers, currently up three games

26:35

to none, are leading late first period

26:37

at Washington one to nothing. The late

26:40

game in a couple hours will be in La.

26:42

The Kings hosting Edmonton Oilers

26:44

lead that series two games to one. Denny

26:47

Hamlin took the NASCAR Race at Dover,

26:49

his third win of the season. Kyle Larson

26:51

finished second in Major League Baseball

26:53

sixth inning at Boston Red Sox two

26:56

nothing leaders against the Chicago Cubs.

26:58

There was a game yesterday and in Mexico

27:01

City, Major League Baseball. Houston and Colorado

27:03

went there and Houston won again today

27:05

eight to two, the final from Bervaldez the

27:07

winning pitcher. The Twins have won seven

27:10

in a row and the Angels continue

27:12

to slump Twins eleven to five, the final

27:14

to win to Pablo Lopez. Victories

27:17

this afternoon for Arizona, San Francisco

27:19

and Philadelphia, which sent the Padres to

27:21

a fourth straight loss eight to six. Atlanta

27:24

in ten innings, edge Cleveland four to three,

27:26

the Mets in eleven innings beat Saint Louis

27:29

four to two, and the Yankees pounded

27:31

the Brewers in Milwaukee fifteen to

27:33

five.

27:34

Back to you, Steve, great

27:36

stuff. Appreciate that so much.

27:38

It is Mark Worthardy from salam Live ti

27:41

rack dot com Studios. Love sitting here talking

27:43

about the draft. Can I ask you a question? So

27:48

start with this, because you went in the seventh

27:50

round.

27:50

What was that day like for you? Where were

27:53

you?

27:54

I literally was on my

27:56

way to the movies. Well,

27:58

because once the seventh round

28:00

hits, then you start getting calls from

28:03

not from teams who want you to sign as

28:05

a free agent.

28:06

Hey, this is perfect for you.

28:07

You have an opportunity to

28:10

play wherever you need to pick where you want

28:12

to go. Now it's

28:15

this is perfect. And

28:17

I was just like I just started just now. I'm

28:19

good click hanging on him phone. So I was like, I

28:21

turned the draft off and I'm on

28:24

my way to.

28:26

The movies. My brother and.

28:28

I I get a phone call

28:31

and I'm like, here we go.

28:33

It's Art Shell. He's like hey from my doing. I

28:35

say hey.

28:37

He was like, well, I was just calling in

28:39

for me that we're getting ready to draft you. And

28:42

I said, well, what round is it? He was like the seventh

28:44

round. I said what, I said, what pick was it? And

28:47

he said one hundred and ninety ninth pick. And

28:49

he was like, you're not watching the draft. I said, now, I turned that

28:51

stuff off and

28:57

and he was like a

29:00

okay, And he's like, look, I've been trying to draft

29:02

you for you know, since the day began.

29:05

And I finally saw you still there and I was

29:07

like, you got to bring this kid in and

29:11

I said I. He was like, well, how do you feel?

29:13

I said, I'm pissed off? He said good. He

29:16

said good, he said, because what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give

29:18

you an opportunity to come compete,

29:21

come compete for a job, and show every

29:24

team, including us, while they messed

29:26

up and not drafting you earlier.

29:29

Okay.

29:30

And I said, that's all I asked for a coach, and

29:32

the rest is history.

29:36

So for me, my draft experience,

29:39

I've always looked at the draft like, well,

29:43

to me, it doesn't really matter because

29:46

I've been on teams where first round draft

29:48

picks couldn't start, couldn't play, and get cut

29:50

yep. I've been trying.

29:52

I've had teams try to

29:54

replace me with first round draft picks. It

29:57

didn't pan out. So I never

29:59

look at the a draft like, oh,

30:02

this is this is the the work happens

30:05

now. The

30:07

work happens now. The draft is for

30:10

the accomplishment of a lifelong

30:12

dream to do the impossible.

30:15

That's what the draft is. Every person

30:17

drafted in the NFL has

30:19

done the impossible. So

30:23

now what's

30:25

not Because you know, you don't get a credited

30:27

season just because you got drafted. You

30:32

don't get a credited season for being drafted.

30:35

You get a credited season for

30:37

being in the league for

30:39

three years on

30:42

the active roster, so

30:44

that that's how you get vested. You need

30:47

three games per year on

30:49

the active roster for that

30:51

year to count, and

30:54

your draft position that

30:57

doesn't matter. And

30:59

so the work really starts

31:02

now for these young men, it's

31:04

important for them to focus

31:07

and realize. I've seen first round draft

31:09

picks wash out.

31:11

M h.

31:12

I've seen it. You get a bunch

31:14

of money, but that's all the money

31:16

you're getting. And I've

31:18

seen six seventh

31:22

round draft picks and free agents play

31:25

over a decade and

31:28

have a career and bill

31:30

real generational wealth for themselves

31:33

and their families. So my

31:35

approach to the draft is while I'm happy for them,

31:38

they've done something amazing, what are they

31:40

gonna do now? What

31:42

are they gonna do now?

31:47

I tell you what?

31:48

Man, and watching the whole thing play

31:50

out, and even

31:52

though you were in the seventh round and you were at the movies,

31:55

I bet that you can answer

31:58

this question because I, like, I just

32:00

had a functional question.

32:01

You told me the phone starts ringing? What round?

32:04

Fifth? Sixth, sixth round?

32:06

Right towards the end of the sixth round.

32:08

And this is back when it was all in one day, two

32:10

days.

32:12

Three rounds were on Saturday

32:14

and four through seven were on Sunday.

32:16

Okay, okay?

32:17

Because I always wondered why,

32:20

like, and maybe you could answer this coming up, coming

32:23

up next, But I wondered why, Like

32:25

when we see the video of

32:27

the kid who's at the house and he's

32:29

surrounded by thirty five family members

32:32

and the phone rings and they're

32:34

all sitting there like kind of waiting

32:37

for I'm like, does the phone ever

32:39

ring and it's not a

32:42

team saying that.

32:43

We're gonna draft you? Are there other other

32:46

kinds of phone calls? Oh? Yeah, that came

32:48

in.

32:49

I would love to hear what

32:51

this whole thing's like, so yeah, let's do that.

32:53

Coming up next. Mark Wellerty from Slam

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33:13

I'm fascinated by stupid stuff sometimes,

33:16

so

33:18

so tell me. We got that camera we're looking

33:20

at We're looking at forty people.

33:23

Is mom, is dad?

33:25

Siblings, you got the girl, you

33:27

got cousins, aunts,

33:30

uncles, neighbors, hangers

33:33

on, whatever the hell is going on back

33:35

there? And then there's like a little

33:38

table in front of the kid with

33:41

a phone on it. Talk

33:44

to me, now, what is actually happening?

33:47

As this kid sits there and waits

33:50

for an hour or two or three

33:52

or sometimes in.

33:54

The next day. Yea, how

33:56

often is this thing ringing? You

34:00

do have people who are

34:05

calling hey man

34:07

when you're getting drafted, or you got

34:09

friends who are calling and

34:11

playing hey, this is uh Todd

34:13

Willoughby from the Cleveland

34:17

Browns. We want to draft

34:19

you in the It's

34:21

just me junior, right,

34:24

you got You've got a lot of that a

34:26

lot of that. You got relatives kidding

34:29

me? No, no, no, seriously, I.

34:32

Don't know if I could continue to be friends

34:34

if something n you

34:36

can lose.

34:37

Since you can lose, you should lose some friends

34:39

in that situation.

34:40

Yeah, like I'm about

34:42

to maybe I'm I'm

34:44

looking at millions of dollars with

34:46

every pick. And you're calling because

34:48

you think you're funny because you're impersonating the

34:50

GM of the Browns or something like that.

34:54

Yeah, I don't know, man, Okay.

34:57

You know, and then you have relatives like older relatives,

35:00

aunties and grandma's baby. What

35:02

did you did the draft? Did they put

35:04

you on the you? Did they put you

35:06

in the military?

35:07

Baby? Did the draft? You know?

35:08

You got to go to war now? And it's

35:10

like, no, big Mama, it's not war

35:13

draft. It's the NFL draft. Oh

35:15

well, baby, did I is it time?

35:18

Tell me what's going on?

35:20

Big Mama.

35:20

I got to go. I got to keep them. I'm trying

35:23

to do the phone. Oh okay, oh the baby,

35:25

just call me. Okay,

35:28

that's what you get. You know, It's

35:31

it's a lot, It's just not you

35:34

know, it's a lot. Now most of the guys

35:36

and agents have said, agent, keep this line. Fear

35:38

a lot of the times it's the agent's phone,

35:41

Like that's what agents start doing. Hey, we

35:43

give all the teams my number, so you

35:45

don't have to worry about it, you know, and

35:47

I'll give it. I'll give you the phone when.

35:50

Except for the agent might have eighteen

35:53

guys in the draft.

35:54

He knows where the agent is.

35:56

Yeah, well, you know you got the agent, you

35:58

have the agent assistant, you have all of the and

36:00

you know you can have a line dedicated

36:03

to you and stuff like that. Now you

36:05

know you can get a million phones.

36:07

You know, this is.

36:08

Only the draft phone. Right

36:11

beforehand, it was the house phone. And you

36:14

if it's somebody you on the phone, it's busy. You don't

36:16

even got call.

36:17

Wait right, all

36:19

right?

36:20

But are there team Like, are

36:22

there teams calling who

36:25

aren't about to draft you? They're trying

36:27

to get info? You mentioned that late

36:29

that happens. Does it happen early?

36:32

Well?

36:32

I got a call from the Jets

36:35

at the end of the second round and

36:38

the scout that I had been you

36:40

know, I guess he lived in San Diego because we spend

36:42

a lot of time together, and that's why I thought I was getting drafted

36:45

by the Jets in the third round. He

36:47

was like, Hey, how you doing. You know our

36:50

picks coming up in the third round, and just

36:52

want you to know. You know, you're a guy and

36:54

you know all of this stuff. So I'm thinking

36:57

I'm going to the Jets the first day, and

37:01

you know that pick comes up with the so and so pick

37:03

in the third round. I'm

37:05

like, man, my phone didn't ring yet. The

37:08

New York Jets select Jason Fabini, tackle

37:10

from I can't remember where Jason went to school,

37:14

and I was just like, oh

37:17

gosh, By

37:20

the way, how did Jason's career go? Jason played

37:22

a long time. He was a good player. Jason

37:25

was a good player. That I mean, they it

37:27

happened the way it was supposed to happen, right,

37:30

because if they take me, I don't go to the

37:32

super Bowl.

37:34

Good point, right, I.

37:35

Don't you know, I

37:37

don't you know, have the career that

37:40

I had. And so everything works out the way it works

37:42

out,

37:46

and so that's just you

37:49

know, after that happened, you get dejected because

37:51

now I got the whole night

37:54

to think about it. The whole next day.

37:56

You wake up early in the draft was like a nine

37:58

am.

38:00

Yeah, that second day before

38:02

they started, especially if you're.

38:04

A West coast. Oh yeah,

38:05

it maybe eight. It

38:07

may have been started at eight.

38:08

It was early, brother, Yeah, they had four rounds

38:11

to get through.

38:11

Yeah, so it was you

38:13

know, it wasn't you know, it was on ESPN,

38:16

but it wasn't like it is now.

38:18

It wasn't a spectacle.

38:19

So they had, you know, on Sundays, they got all kind of they got

38:21

golf, NASCAR, they got all kinds of stuff to basketball

38:25

games, all sorts

38:28

of stuff to go through.

38:29

So it was early.

38:31

They got it out the way, and

38:34

you know, it just was it just

38:36

it was miserable until it wasn't.

38:39

After I got drafted.

38:40

It felt good that I got

38:42

drafted, you know, I,

38:44

you know, someone who'd only been playing I

38:46

started playing football in the ninth grade, right,

38:50

So for someone who you

38:52

know, essentially had been playing football

38:56

for nine years, I

38:59

ended up being drafted it eight

39:02

years, end up being drafted into the NFL

39:07

and achieving not a

39:09

lifelong goal but a goal

39:11

that I set for myself in high

39:13

school. And look,

39:16

it's just one of those things that you try to accomplish

39:18

as many goals in life as you can and that

39:21

was really a big.

39:22

One for me. That's amazing. It's

39:24

amazing. But I like, does that stuff happen

39:27

even in the first round.

39:28

I guess the reason I'm asking is just because

39:30

you see these guys on the phone and

39:33

then they hang up and they're like going to the.

39:35

Bills, and everyone's like super surprised.

39:38

I'm like, well, right, the bills are on

39:40

the clock, and your son was just on the phone

39:43

for three and a half minutes

39:47

just going yes, yes, sir, yep,

39:49

you got a dog, yep, thank you,

39:51

sir. Yeah, can't wait, can't

39:53

wait to be yep, thank you sir. Okay,

39:55

sure, yep, I'll hold okay,

39:57

Hey coach, yup, thank you.

40:00

Well you also have got a dog like

40:02

you a right? You also have

40:04

teams that will call you before,

40:08

like so say Green Bays on the clock and

40:12

then uh

40:15

you know, you know Cleveland it

40:18

is after them, and Cleveland

40:20

calls was like, hey, with this next pick, we're gonna take

40:23

you right, So it's

40:25

you get it a little bit different, you know what I mean, Like it's

40:28

it's not as

40:31

direct as they're

40:34

on the clock, so you must be going there.

40:36

Okay, I got you, I got you.

40:38

Okay, all right, Mark Willy from Salam

40:41

you mentioned that I chose violence right off

40:43

the top of the show. I have a different word for it,

40:46

but well, we'll discuss it coming up next.

40:51

Don't worry, brother, I'm gonna ease into this one.

40:53

I promise. I promise you're going to ease into

40:55

this one. This is as broad as it can

40:57

be, but I think we can

40:59

all agree. This is one of those

41:01

things that we can all agree on, and that

41:04

is change is hard, Transition

41:07

is difficult. This happens in families,

41:09

in jobs, in geography,

41:12

it certainly happens in sports.

41:14

And it looks to me like

41:18

it has crystallized in the NBA,

41:21

or is at least about two And

41:23

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thing I'm gonna say is there

41:41

are three stars in the NBA I'd

41:43

like to use as an example here, and

41:46

the one that plays for the Lakers is going

41:48

to be the is likely.

41:51

I should say there's a chance that

41:53

as we're doing this show tonight, he

41:56

kind of becomes the last one of the

41:58

three standing. So

42:00

that's good. But let me start with a question.

42:03

How are you feeling about the series

42:05

between the Lakers and Nuggets so far?

42:09

Obviously I'm irritated.

42:10

That game really took it out of me, like

42:13

I was physically ill.

42:16

And then I went to the game on Thursday,

42:19

game three, and almost

42:21

went to jail. I

42:25

called, I text my wife. I said, hey, I said,

42:27

hey, maybe I'm going to jail tonight. I said, they lose

42:29

this game, I'm going to jail, so you need to build me out.

42:32

And what was her response? You

42:34

have kids at home? Yes, I

42:37

said, never mind, call someone

42:39

else.

42:39

But I went to the movies. I went to like a ten forty

42:41

five movie to just.

42:45

I'm starting to gather that the

42:47

movies are like your meditation.

42:50

I don't drink, I don't smoke out any of those

42:52

things with something stick going.

42:53

Like if I run into you in a movie, the

42:55

first thing I'm going to say to you is not hello, I'm

42:58

gonna say what's wrong?

43:00

The first I'm a movie fan, but

43:02

now I get it that's my happy place. That's

43:05

my happy all right. So

43:08

them coming out Saturday and

43:11

playing like when you look at it, they've played the

43:13

Denver Nuggets extremely

43:15

well, except for the last four minutes of a

43:17

game.

43:18

Yeah, the first halves have been unbelievable.

43:20

So can you finish? Can

43:22

you finish? You have the talent, you

43:25

have the ability. The thing I don't

43:27

like, speaking

43:30

as a fan, I don't like

43:34

our talent our starters

43:37

being not available Cam

43:40

Reddish,

43:42

uh, Vanderbilt, like all

43:46

of them like to me, that

43:48

gives us the advantage because those are

43:50

our six, A, six, nine, wing,

43:53

three and D guys.

43:56

And I was upset with

43:58

Darvin ham on Thursday because that lineup

44:01

he had with Austin Rivers guarding Michael

44:03

Porter Junior was ridiculous,

44:06

so much so when I was at the game, I

44:09

get a text from my wife

44:13

and she says, this

44:16

is from your son. He

44:20

said he's mad that we're

44:22

playing a small ball defense and

44:24

that Austin Reeves is guarding Michael

44:26

Porter Junior for half of the game. They

44:30

have three point guard, three point guards

44:32

and on one lineup, so

44:34

they're just going to bullyball us. That

44:37

was from a nine year old from a nine

44:39

year old a nine year old.

44:40

And I imagine you immediately uped

44:43

his allowance. I mean, first

44:45

of all, I'm so proud that his basketball breakdown

44:50

right there, Mark, We're.

44:50

On our way, just so you know, because you know eventually

44:53

he'll wake up six a sixty nine and we're

44:55

on our way.

44:55

We got business, okay.

44:57

But I say that to say, if a nine year old

45:00

can see that, how come a

45:02

coach of an

45:04

NBA franchise doesn't

45:07

realize that

45:10

that was it? Could I couldn't even believe

45:12

what was going on. And so the

45:15

fact that the lack of adjustments

45:17

that were being made in that game in Game

45:20

three, they just bothered

45:22

me. Seeing

45:25

those guys over there in them shiny outfits,

45:28

just hanging out not

45:30

playing. I'm like, bruh, come

45:33

on now, I

45:36

just didn't like it.

45:37

Now.

45:38

I love the effort that they came out with

45:40

in the in game four.

45:43

Can they match that effort in Denver?

45:44

It's gonna be tougher because in the third fourth

45:46

quarter it's hard to breathe up there.

45:48

Man.

45:48

You get tired real fast.

45:50

Yep.

45:51

Someone who played there, and I knew we

45:54

took advantage of teams in the third and

45:56

fourth quarter, especially in the fourth quarter when

45:58

we played because do you just get to but

46:02

can you can? Can you can you keep

46:04

that up? Can you bring

46:07

that energy to the table and stave off

46:09

elimination? And I think they can because they have the talent

46:11

too, And of course we've got to make shots. But

46:15

look, I'm optimistic because we're still

46:17

playing. The reality

46:19

of it is no team has come back to in a

46:21

series down three to zero in a seven

46:23

game series. So I'll

46:26

leave it at this, I

46:29

hope.

46:29

So fair enough,

46:32

fair enough, And there is probably

46:34

a Darvin Ham conversation. Lebron

46:36

had a real nice conversation with Darvin Man during

46:39

the game the other day.

46:41

Fun.

46:41

Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what

46:43

he's talking about. Well he's right, Yeah,

46:46

yep.

46:47

He's right.

46:48

And I like there are certain people, by

46:50

the way, Draymond does that a lot. But it's been

46:53

proven that, you know, Draymond is

46:54

is a crazy person. Sometimes if

46:57

Lebron James shows that cop

47:00

kind of energy.

47:03

With regard to review

47:06

that.

47:08

Like you do it, whether

47:10

it's you just do it, do

47:12

it, do it.

47:14

I have a hard time with hold on, Lebron, we

47:16

see your energy. Let's go to the iPad.

47:18

Hey, Bobby, what's the too

47:21

late?

47:21

Dude? Too late?

47:23

And obviously it didn't lead to anything bad,

47:25

but it's interesting video and it brings us

47:28

kind of inside maybe the vibe

47:30

on the Laker bench. And I know there's

47:32

a lot of heat right now for Darvin Ham. Okay,

47:35

as it should be fair. All

47:38

right, let's go to fantasyland

47:40

though for just a second, and

47:43

let's pretend. Let's

47:45

pretend that the Lakers are not going

47:49

to become the first team in

47:51

the history of the NBA to

47:53

rally from down three. Oh, I'm

47:56

just asking you to go on a I'm

47:58

good. We're gonna go on a metal journey

48:00

together. Okay,

48:04

carpet ride through the air. The

48:06

Lakers don't rally

48:08

in this series. And the

48:10

Phoenix Suns, who clearly

48:12

appear to hate one another. I

48:15

don't know if you've watched this team play basketball.

48:19

I don't know what the hell's going on there.

48:21

But like, whenever

48:24

you see something look like that, advise

48:27

them to not get married. If

48:30

a couple looks like that, be like, look,

48:33

can we talk before you send out the wedding

48:35

invitations. I don't know what

48:38

happened there. Too much talent really

48:41

ineffective. Wouldn't be surprised

48:43

if they go home in three and a half hours

48:45

here from all right, that's

48:49

Kevin Durant. Steph Curry's

48:51

already got a fishing pole in the water. Yeah,

48:55

and Lebron again.

48:58

Fantasyland might

49:01

join soon. And

49:04

if that happens, then

49:06

we head to the second round of the NBA

49:08

playoffs without any

49:10

of the three guys. And I'm doing Kevin

49:12

Durant quite frankly a favor even

49:15

putting him on this list, because he's

49:17

not the ratings driver that Lebron

49:19

James and Steph Curry have been. But

49:24

I do think he's been represented

49:26

in that era of basketball when

49:28

people start talking about the most effective

49:30

people on the court one frame or another,

49:33

those three guys, for the

49:35

better part of a decade have been

49:38

the people you would consider taken first

49:40

if you could pick anyone in the NBA

49:43

around whom to start your team. So these

49:47

guys for a long time now

49:49

have been driving ratings in

49:52

the NBA.

49:53

And should

49:55

they all be gone in the second round,

49:59

I really do you have questions

50:02

about who that next person is

50:04

or who those next people are and.

50:07

How it's going to perform.

50:09

I think basketball fans are very comfortable

50:11

going, well, Yo kich is the baddest

50:14

man on the planet right now?

50:16

Cool? Yeah, but that's not okay?

50:19

Great?

50:21

Is that going to bring people

50:23

to the yard? Lucas almost

50:26

averaging his triple double? Is

50:28

that going to bring people to

50:30

the yard. We're standing

50:33

right now looking at a final

50:35

four on both sides, both conferences,

50:38

and you're asking Yo Kicic

50:41

and Luca and Tatum

50:44

and Jalen Brunson.

50:48

To carry the mail. It

50:50

doesn't feel to me like they're ready to do it.

50:57

No, it's going to

50:59

be a cold day for

51:02

it be a fewership.

51:04

Well not like how about cold years?

51:06

Like in other words, what do they what do they do

51:08

about that?

51:09

This is the end? My

51:12

only friend the Okay,

51:14

So who are the draws? Right?

51:17

I would say, question? I would say,

51:20

the joker isn't the draw? I mean he

51:23

plays the most boring brand of basketball,

51:25

which is the most excellent form of basketball

51:28

to be played, super quirky

51:31

and not exciting times.

51:33

Sometimes it's fun, but yeah it's fun.

51:35

But in doses, okay,

51:38

right, I would I would say, right now, if

51:40

I had to pick someone that's not the three

51:43

guys that we're talking about right

51:45

now, who's in the playoffs and

51:47

looks like he could really excite

51:50

people.

51:51

I would say, Anthony Edwards.

51:56

I love Anthony Everts. He

51:59

gotta get out of Minnesota.

52:02

Markets matter, got

52:05

to get out of Minnesota, right.

52:08

People forget Kevin

52:10

Garnett was

52:13

that Minnesota. We

52:16

only talk about him when he went to the Celtics.

52:20

But the last time Minnesota was relevant

52:23

was Kevin Garnett. I mean he I

52:25

think he just tied or passed

52:27

him for thirty point playoff games in

52:29

franchise history. Edwards

52:33

did just tied our passed Kevin

52:35

Garnett. I mean, he was raw

52:38

business that the number one

52:40

seed ran to the Lakers in

52:44

the conference finals. Didn't get past that. But

52:49

when Kevin went to the Celtics

52:52

and they created, you know, the Big

52:54

Three, that's when the lord and everything

52:56

in the attention in the eyes took off, and

52:59

he would I mean, could you imagine a young Kevin

53:01

Garnett at THET in Boston, Mike.

53:04

That's gracious.

53:07

So it's it's really the

53:10

market, like the is the Minnesota

53:12

market ready

53:16

for the spotlight?

53:17

Like that?

53:20

Tell me what other small market

53:26

team like

53:28

even Joannice in Milwaukee.

53:34

You know who is cooking and who could be the

53:36

face of the front of the NBA, who

53:39

the world is getting to see for a second year

53:41

in a row. Jalen

53:44

Bronson. Oh, he putting

53:46

on the show, putting on a show. He putting

53:48

on the show. I mean, this kid is unreal.

53:51

He's very good. He's

53:54

unreal.

53:54

Now he's not superhuman like

53:57

Lebron, and he's not shooting

54:00

like Steph. Like Steph and Lebron

54:02

had two things that no

54:04

one else had sure, and

54:06

that's hard to replace that when

54:09

those other guys don't have it right,

54:11

Like Steph's the greatest shooter we've ever

54:14

seen, it's people won't tune

54:16

in to see it. Lebron James is a

54:18

physical specimen like we had never seen

54:20

before. Move, control the

54:22

ball, handle le ball, do all those things. We just

54:24

weren't privited that in that

54:27

frame six nine two sixty two seventy.

54:29

So those are outliers, those are special

54:31

things. Those were We passed a manto

54:34

from Kobe to Lebron

54:36

and too Steph, and they took it and

54:38

ran with it. I mean,

54:41

Anthony Edwards is what sixt' six six '

54:43

seven athletic.

54:45

If you if you're lucky.

54:47

Right, six four or sixty five. If Athletic

54:50

will put you on a poster, But

54:54

is it enough to carry the league in

54:57

viewership? That's

55:01

a tough.

55:01

One, no, no doubt, And in fact, I

55:03

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55:05

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55:51

including basketball, which

55:54

appears to be the potential downfall

55:57

of the Milwaukee Bucks.

56:00

Before like, like, I want to continue the conversation

56:02

we're having, but uh, forever

56:06

Pacers go up three to one. Here

56:08

they're up by thirteen, with under four minutes

56:10

to go.

56:11

On on

56:16

on, oh sorry, go ahead, no,

56:18

no, no, I'm not gonna get away.

56:21

Last thing I ever want to do is be the fun

56:24

police.

56:25

Remember at the beginning of the

56:27

playoffs, we were talking about this last Sunday,

56:30

I was getting ready to start. It's getting ready to go down, and

56:33

we were talking about this series, Milwaukee

56:36

and Pacers

56:39

series, and I was, I.

56:41

Said, the Pacers are gonna get They're gonna lose.

56:43

Yeah, and I retorted with

56:47

this is a dangerous series from Milwaukee,

56:52

especially with the Yiannis injury. But

56:54

wow, but on yeah,

56:57

but on top of that, the brand

56:59

of basketball all the Pacers play, They're

57:02

up and down the court, and I and I said,

57:04

the Milwaukee has one of the oldest teams

57:06

in the league. Now we didn't

57:08

know Dame Janni's correct

57:11

was gonna be heard and body was gonna get

57:13

itself ejected.

57:15

Milwaukee was was winning Game one,

57:17

and my assumption was Giannis

57:19

was gonna be back in Game two.

57:21

Yeah, Well it wasn't.

57:25

He wasn't. Because now that lends

57:28

to just how serious that injury

57:30

was. When you get that calf injury

57:32

like that, and that thing drips down into that Achilles.

57:36

What you don't want to do, as

57:38

as kd. Uh huh

57:41

as KD. What you don't want to do

57:45

is come on out there and push

57:47

through it. And

57:50

so it's one of those situations

57:53

where Indiana's

57:56

dangerous because they shoot a

57:59

high volume of threes,

58:01

and they shoot them fast and they're up and

58:04

down. Best thing, best

58:06

thing Indiana did was

58:09

Pascal Siakam got

58:13

him from Toronto. Now

58:16

that gave them an attacking wing

58:19

to go with their outside shooters.

58:23

And so it's a

58:25

you know, it's a it's a it's

58:27

a perfect storm for Milwaukee

58:30

to run into this team in the first

58:32

round.

58:34

This thing about to get ugly for.

58:36

Him, it's probably about to get ugly. I'm

58:38

still like, of course Indiana's

58:41

dangerous. Pascal Siakam

58:44

brings up a different dynamic. I

58:46

am not yet bullish on their

58:48

future unless everybody else in front

58:50

of them keeps getting hurt as well.

58:52

Well, well, I'm just talking about this series. Yep,

58:55

that's just this one, because

59:01

for this is good. Miles Turner, man, you

59:03

remember when we almost had Miles

59:06

Turner and Buddy Hill and

59:09

Lebron and didnt wanted to keep Westbrook remember.

59:12

That

59:15

that's a mare.

59:17

Hey, ash your boy,

59:21

you sign him, You're you're getting.

59:23

You're getting a guard, a

59:26

forward, a center, a

59:28

GM, a coach,

59:31

you got everything.

59:32

Well he better coach all of it

59:34

beta his next one tomorrow.

59:36

All of it. Well.

59:38

You brought up an interesting thought

59:41

a little bit ago with regard to Anthony

59:44

Edwards.

59:44

He's got to get out of Minnesota.

59:47

And I know that there's a healthy

59:49

portion of America that whenever

59:51

someone says something like that, it lands

59:55

not offensive, but it's it's difficult

59:57

to hear if you root for a team that's

1:00:00

not one of the teams that people

1:00:02

try to go to to become a star.

1:00:04

And when it comes from a

1:00:06

Laker fan, I know how that

1:00:09

resonates. Of course, Oh gosh, you's

1:00:11

got to get out of Minnesota. Well, well let

1:00:13

me ask you this.

1:00:13

Well I did say where you had to go? I just said,

1:00:16

well, that's.

1:00:17

The implication

1:00:19

is clear.

1:00:20

There's only a handful of organizations

1:00:23

where where that

1:00:25

player wants to go and be a star.

1:00:27

And is it l A or is it New York? There there

1:00:29

are a few others.

1:00:30

I get it, but like sometimes

1:00:32

I look at it and I go, okay,

1:00:35

chicken of the egg. Is

1:00:37

it the city or is

1:00:40

it the is it the generational

1:00:42

player? I mean the Spurs

1:00:45

had a dynasty. I don't know if they ever drove

1:00:47

ratings.

1:00:49

No, they just won. They just

1:00:51

want so you can. You could have it either way and

1:00:55

Milwaukee, right, league MVP wins

1:00:57

championships. Yeah, but wellamionship,

1:01:00

champ championship, champion championship

1:01:04

right, So okay, yeah, that's that's

1:01:06

good. That works. But if you're somewhere

1:01:10

and you're not winning championships,

1:01:14

are playing in the finals, then

1:01:18

yeah, that star that meteor

1:01:21

to face of the league.

1:01:24

It doesn't go quite as fast.

1:01:26

Well, of course, but couldn't Aunt

1:01:29

respond right now and be like, what if maybe

1:01:31

we're about to win a championship if none

1:01:34

of us, none of us believe that's

1:01:36

gonna happen right now, but we might be wrong.

1:01:39

You're you're right.

1:01:40

They could shock everybody, and they can win it this

1:01:42

year, then

1:01:44

they got to win it next year, and

1:01:47

then he's got to be in the MVP conversation,

1:01:50

which is not we're talking

1:01:52

about taking over the face of the league.

1:01:54

Well, right, Lebron.

1:01:55

James, Right,

1:01:57

Lebron James, Steph

1:01:59

Curry, Sure, and you threw

1:02:01

in, uh, Kevin Durant,

1:02:03

who.

1:02:04

Once upon a time did make Oklahoma

1:02:07

City, Oklahoma pretty cool.

1:02:09

Until it wasn't until

1:02:12

they all left. Everybody left.

1:02:14

Well you know why they all

1:02:17

left, right, they

1:02:19

all left. Yeah, but that and

1:02:21

they all went on to be MVPs

1:02:23

after they left.

1:02:25

This is true.

1:02:26

So look, I get

1:02:28

it. They were all there, they were doing this and doing

1:02:30

that, and then he he was like, I'm

1:02:32

out.

1:02:35

They all went to bigger markets.

1:02:37

But that wasn't about Oklahoma City. Russell

1:02:39

Westbrook won the MVP in Oklahoma

1:02:42

City exactly, and and duran.

1:02:44

Should just right, what if what if Russ would

1:02:46

have just been like, I'm here, what

1:02:48

if the market is too small? Whatever,

1:02:51

That's what I'm telling you.

1:02:52

They weren't very good. He's not able to

1:02:54

be a one.

1:02:55

I think it has a lot to do with why Kevin left in

1:02:57

the first place.

1:02:58

I mean, look, they were already mad because

1:03:00

they had to get you know, they didn't re sign James,

1:03:03

which was impossible.

1:03:05

And listen, this is a bad example because

1:03:07

Lebron is so transformational

1:03:10

if you want to call him second best player all time

1:03:12

whatever, like, but

1:03:16

what the heck was the Cleveland

1:03:18

Cavaliers organization. I

1:03:21

just think if you are in

1:03:24

today's day and age, if you're that

1:03:26

good, you would

1:03:29

be well, you can be the chicken.

1:03:31

Well just look at it, like la Lebron

1:03:33

was in Cleveland and everybody loved Lebron,

1:03:37

but everybody respected Lebron

1:03:41

after he won the championships in Miami.

1:03:43

Now most people didn't like that he went and had to do

1:03:45

it that way. But if Lebron James would

1:03:47

have just stayed in Cleveland and

1:03:49

they didn't win a championship, what

1:03:52

will we be talking about, Well, it

1:03:54

would be highly disappointing.

1:03:56

But I'm right, don't I don't know if

1:03:58

that's face of the league stuff.

1:04:00

Face of the league, MVP regular

1:04:02

series, Hold on, listen, listen

1:04:04

to what I'm saying, face of the face of

1:04:06

the league, MVP Finals,

1:04:09

MVP champion.

1:04:12

Yeah.

1:04:12

Name one face of the league that didn't have any

1:04:14

of those. Oh,

1:04:17

I can't and won't. So

1:04:19

what I'm saying is Anthony Edwards. Right, if

1:04:22

he goes and they win the championship and he's

1:04:24

Finals MVP this year and

1:04:27

then he's the league

1:04:29

MVP next year in

1:04:32

Minnesota, now we can

1:04:34

talk about it. But until

1:04:36

those things happen, which we don't think they will

1:04:38

there right now this year? Then

1:04:40

what are we talking about?

1:04:42

Well, you're you're not wrong, but

1:04:44

your first response was he's.

1:04:45

Got to get out of there.

1:04:47

Well, I'm like they got they got a better record

1:04:50

than all the teams you think he should joy.

1:04:51

Yeah, but they don't play on national

1:04:54

television.

1:04:55

They will if they start winning the rings.

1:04:58

So that's what I'm talking into you about that.

1:05:01

But he doesn't have to leave. Why does

1:05:03

he have to leave them? Okay,

1:05:05

well we'll just see. Well

1:05:07

we'll see.

1:05:08

First of all, Minnesota

1:05:10

is not a free agent destination. Just

1:05:13

f YI, when you need to, when you need

1:05:16

help. Why do

1:05:18

you think the teams that Lebron played with in Cleveland

1:05:20

didn't have it? Nobody was going

1:05:22

to Cleveland? Wow,

1:05:25

nobody went to Cleveland.

1:05:26

They did the second time around, but they knew

1:05:28

when Kyrie was already there.

1:05:30

Who went?

1:05:32

Who went to Cleveland?

1:05:34

Everybody Richard Jefferson wanted

1:05:37

he had his pick of the litter every year.

1:05:39

Yeah, but they didn't go to believe

1:05:42

right that those are the guys

1:05:44

I'm talking about, guys who are stepping into

1:05:46

their prime. Right when he went,

1:05:49

when when he joined d Wade Chris

1:05:51

Bosh was like, I'm coming right,

1:05:54

That's that would have never

1:05:56

happened in Cleveland. Guess what. D Wade

1:05:58

wasn't leaving Miami to go to cleve Eveland. Chris

1:06:01

Bosh wasn't leaving Toronto to go to

1:06:03

Cleveland.

1:06:04

That was the team that had the financial wherewithal

1:06:06

to do that though.

1:06:07

But what I'm saying is nobody was

1:06:09

coming at that level in their prime

1:06:12

to play in Cleveland with Lebron.

1:06:14

That's why he had to leave. As

1:06:17

great as Lebron was taking

1:06:19

Booby Gibson and

1:06:23

Mario Chalmers and all, no, he

1:06:25

wasn't even there. Some of

1:06:27

those guys that he took to

1:06:29

the finals all those years, they

1:06:32

were just guys.

1:06:34

Right, But you're not going to get the stars of the league

1:06:36

to join a star like they

1:06:38

want to be the one themselves.

1:06:39

They don't want to go join Lebron.

1:06:41

I think now, No,

1:06:44

nobody was going to Cleveland. Nobody was going to Cleveland

1:06:46

championship. Guess who want to get out of Cleveland

1:06:49

right now? Donovan

1:06:51

Mitchell. So I

1:06:53

mean nobody's nobody's

1:06:55

going. So when

1:06:58

I'm talking about markets, that's what I'm talking right

1:07:02

destination. Oh look, you about

1:07:04

to get me in trouble.

1:07:06

When I'm talking about stars in the league.

1:07:07

Sorry, Steve, I'm talking about Steve to say

1:07:10

exactly like I mean, right.

1:07:11

I'm sorry, Steve. Yeah, he got me round

1:07:14

up and I completely.

1:07:15

Forgot providing an off ramp there.

1:07:17

Happy to help.

1:07:18

By the way, you guys talked about the greatness of

1:07:21

Jalen Brunson. We do have an Indiana

1:07:23

Final, by the way, they've just won, and we had

1:07:25

road wins for the Clippers and Knicks. But Jalen

1:07:27

Brunson was not a first round draft

1:07:29

pick at a Villanova, but he started in

1:07:31

Philadelphia in this ninety seven to ninety

1:07:34

two win today, Jalen Brunson's

1:07:36

in his second year with the Knicks. Last

1:07:39

season, he was at twenty four point six

1:07:41

assists per game. This year, playing

1:07:43

more games, twenty nine

1:07:45

points seven assists per game.

1:07:48

And then there's this from AP regarding

1:07:52

this game tonight, And

1:07:55

yeah, we mentioned earlier. Technically

1:07:57

it was a road game, it sounded like a next home

1:08:00

New York wins ninety seven to ninety two, so

1:08:03

neither team scores one hundred points and

1:08:05

Jalen Brunson had forty seven with

1:08:07

ten assists to generate

1:08:10

that many points in your team's

1:08:13

playoff game where your team does not

1:08:15

score one hundred in that game. Incredibly

1:08:18

rare AP looked it up once again

1:08:20

in the play by play era, So going back

1:08:22

twenty five plus years, the

1:08:25

only guy that had a better game when

1:08:27

his team scored under one hundred was Allen

1:08:29

Iverson himself for Philadelphia

1:08:32

when he generated seventy two out

1:08:34

of ninety eight points. Brunson

1:08:36

generated seventy out of ninety seven

1:08:39

in that Nicks win at Philly today,

1:08:41

and the Knicks are leading three games to one

1:08:43

in that.

1:08:44

First round series.

1:08:45

Pacers are up three games to one after

1:08:47

a home victory over Milwaukee. It's just

1:08:49

gone final one twenty six to one

1:08:51

thirteen. The Bucks were without the injured

1:08:54

Jannisontenacumpos strain CAF

1:08:56

and Damian Lillard out with a strained achilles,

1:08:59

and Bobby Port for some reason got kicked

1:09:01

out in the first quarter. That doesn't help

1:09:03

the team either. Just for the record, the

1:09:05

Bucks were shooting well for much of

1:09:07

the day, but it winds up the

1:09:09

home team winning the game. Over in the Western

1:09:12

Conference, we've got Minnesota up three games

1:09:14

to none playing at Phoenix in a few minutes.

1:09:17

The Clippers blew a thirty one point lead,

1:09:19

but still won at Dallas one sixteen

1:09:21

to one eleven. That series tied at two

1:09:23

games apiece. I

1:09:25

will add, by the way, the Milwaukee Bucks

1:09:28

actually missed five free throws in this

1:09:30

loss tonight. The Bucks had only missed

1:09:33

three free throws in the first three

1:09:35

games of the series combined

1:09:37

to the NHL Playoffs. The number one

1:09:39

New York Rangers are tied two to late

1:09:42

second period at Washington. Vancouver

1:09:44

came back for an overtime win four to three

1:09:46

at Nashville, and it was Colorado five

1:09:49

to one over the Jets the late game

1:09:51

in an hour in La, We'll have the Kings

1:09:53

hosting Edmonton. Danny Hamlin

1:09:55

took the NASCAR Race at Dover his third

1:09:58

win of the season. Kyle Larson finished

1:10:00

second to Major League Baseball. The

1:10:02

Cubs were down four to nothing going to the

1:10:04

seventh. It's now four to four at Boston.

1:10:07

In the bottom of the ninth, Cubs tied it out of

1:10:09

nowhere with a three run homer in the eighth

1:10:11

inning of play. Earlier in Mexico

1:10:13

City, Houston was a winner over Colorado

1:10:15

eight to two. Minnesota won at seventh

1:10:18

straight game. It came against the slumping Angels

1:10:20

eleven to five. San Diego's

1:10:22

lost four straight. Philadelphia won at San

1:10:25

Diego eight to six in ten

1:10:27

innings. Atlanta edge Cleveland four to

1:10:29

three, Toronto beat the Dodgers

1:10:31

three to one. Kevin Gosman had been zero and three

1:10:33

but got the win, and Oakland defeated

1:10:35

Baltimore encloser Craig Kimberl seven

1:10:38

to six, mets An eleven innings over Saint

1:10:40

Louis four two.

1:10:41

Back to you, all right, good

1:10:43

stuff, Steve. That leaves you one more,

1:10:46

at least one more. Soare with us

1:10:49

where you can bring up the

1:10:51

millions and millions of dollars the ballfers

1:10:54

make okay where you were in.

1:10:56

Fact more than you.

1:10:58

It's a good comparison to even

1:11:00

more interesting, I should say, because of course

1:11:03

PGA had the team event. It was a pair

1:11:05

of winners at New Orleans today and a

1:11:07

regular golf well, if if you can call

1:11:09

live golf a regular tournament, it was

1:11:11

regular championship golf.

1:11:13

Yeah, put that in quotes in Australia.

1:11:16

I love golf and I didn't even understand

1:11:18

what it was saying, Like, can you explain this.

1:11:20

Why yeah, McElroy and Lowry

1:11:22

team up for a win.

1:11:23

That's correct, and they both mean

1:11:26

they both get credit for a victory

1:11:28

to add to their career totals. So for Rory

1:11:30

McElroy, he has twenty five PGA

1:11:33

Tour wins. Now he got some help in this

1:11:35

one.

1:11:37

That's odd. I don't even understand

1:11:40

how it works. How did it work?

1:11:42

I would like to see them actually not just trade

1:11:44

shots, but trade clubs. Then you

1:11:46

are really a team.

1:11:48

Oh yeah, okay boy,

1:11:51

this this transformation has been

1:11:53

has been something else the last

1:11:56

few years.

1:11:56

But anyway, thank you Steve, and look forward to that coming

1:11:59

up. For sure.

1:12:00

We are in the tire rack dot Com studios

1:12:03

and we are full on wait

1:12:06

till you hear this coming up next.

1:12:09

I don't know about you, Ephrom.

1:12:11

I find this for all

1:12:13

athletes done mat of the sport.

1:12:16

This is the cardinal sin that

1:12:19

you can't do this. It never

1:12:21

works.

1:12:22

I know it's hard sometimes to not do

1:12:24

it, but you gotta buck up and

1:12:27

never do this at

1:12:29

a major NBA star did

1:12:32

it today. We'll let you hear

1:12:34

what I'm talking about coming up next on Fox

1:12:36

Sports Radio. All right,

1:12:38

that's e from Salama Mark Willard livety

1:12:40

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1:12:43

I bet you never did this in your

1:12:45

whole career. That'd be my bet.

1:12:49

I bet you never did this in your

1:12:51

entire professional career.

1:12:53

Take take a listen to this.

1:12:56

Joe Lmbid and the Sixers

1:12:58

lose to the Knicks in Philly today,

1:13:01

and this was part of what Joel had

1:13:04

to say postgame.

1:13:05

Disappointed. You know, I love our fans.

1:13:08

I think it's unfortunate and I'm not

1:13:10

calling them out, but it is disappointing.

1:13:12

Obviously you got a lot of Knicks fans

1:13:14

and that down the road that I've never

1:13:17

seen it, and I've been here for

1:13:19

ten years. Yeah, kind

1:13:21

of pisces me off, especially because

1:13:24

Philly is considerce falstyle,

1:13:26

so you know, they've always shown up

1:13:29

and I don't think that should happen.

1:13:31

Yeah, it's not okay.

1:13:33

Okay, So he's talking about

1:13:35

how many Knicks fans were in attendance. We

1:13:37

were talking about this earlier. It was

1:13:40

overwhelming. It was crazy.

1:13:43

This is one of my This is one of my

1:13:45

favorite phrases that people people

1:13:47

do. If someone says

1:13:50

to you, hey, no shade, but

1:13:53

what do you thinks about to happen?

1:13:56

Okay?

1:13:57

So I'm not calling out Philly fans,

1:14:00

but well, that pissed me off

1:14:02

and it's totally disappointing.

1:14:06

Well, what is it you think you just

1:14:08

did? And I'm

1:14:10

not saying he's wrong, I'm

1:14:14

just saying them's the rules.

1:14:17

You don't get to do that, and it's

1:14:19

only going to get worse through the

1:14:21

years because the more money and

1:14:24

the more public money, the

1:14:26

more it's known, we'll all go to spot

1:14:29

track and figure out what your contract

1:14:31

says.

1:14:33

And the more we know that you make.

1:14:34

Forty or fifty or sixty million

1:14:37

dollars, the more talking

1:14:39

about fan behavior to me is

1:14:41

totally off limits unless you're

1:14:43

talking about a fan getting into

1:14:45

a fight or saying something inappropriate

1:14:48

direct to a player. When you're talking

1:14:50

about how a fan behaves with their

1:14:52

money, I'm

1:14:54

sorry, Joel Hard,

1:14:57

No, there's no win there

1:14:59

for him.

1:15:01

I think it means the fact that.

1:15:05

You know, allowing Knicks fans

1:15:08

to buy it, like the only

1:15:10

way you get those tickets like that is retail

1:15:12

market. So if you're a Philly

1:15:15

fan and you put your

1:15:17

tickets on one of the sites, yep,

1:15:21

you don't get to pick who buys the tickets,

1:15:25

you know what I mean? So yes, I

1:15:28

guess he's pointing out the fact that, look, Philly's

1:15:34

steep in tradition, great

1:15:37

fan base, so come to the game and be there. It

1:15:39

literally I was sitting and watching

1:15:42

the game with my son and my nephew,

1:15:45

and for an instant, I I

1:15:48

forgot that they

1:15:50

were in Philly.

1:15:53

I literally was like, man, this is New York.

1:15:55

Wait a minute, because Bronson was

1:15:57

getting ready to break the

1:16:00

all time playoff points

1:16:02

record, and I was like, man, the garden

1:16:04

about to go crazy. And I was like, oh my

1:16:06

god, this isn't

1:16:08

the garden. They're

1:16:11

in Philly. But

1:16:13

it had that same type of energy

1:16:16

that the Knicks have when they're playing in

1:16:18

the Garden, and that blew my mind.

1:16:20

I was not expecting that today.

1:16:22

I'm with you.

1:16:23

I'm with you, but I think the sort

1:16:25

of reasoning that you just laid out

1:16:28

is a accurate. But b for me,

1:16:30

it's off limits. If

1:16:32

Sixers fans put

1:16:35

their tickets up because they are disinterested

1:16:38

in a seven seed and another

1:16:40

EMBIID injury, then

1:16:43

that's what they get to do. And

1:16:45

I like, I just find this. It

1:16:47

happens once or twice a year in

1:16:50

every sport. It's guys,

1:16:52

not wanting to get booed, or

1:16:55

or it's guys talking about, you

1:16:57

know, a stadium being empty, or

1:17:00

it's guys talking about like what Joel did

1:17:02

today, which is don't sell your tickets.

1:17:05

And you know you

1:17:07

can encourage people not to do that, but

1:17:10

after the fact to say that the

1:17:12

look of your building pissed you

1:17:14

off. By the way, y'all

1:17:17

want to not wait till tomorrow morning on Philadelphia

1:17:20

Sports Radio to know what the call of reaction

1:17:22

will be, because I can give it to you right now. Hey,

1:17:26

bleep you Joel, stay

1:17:29

healthy and win fifty games

1:17:31

next year, maybe we'll be there.

1:17:33

Fair, No, doesn't matter, doesn't

1:17:37

matter.

1:17:38

Like I just it's interesting to me when

1:17:42

people fall into the same trap over

1:17:44

and over again. You're not gonna

1:17:46

win talking about fame.

1:17:49

You're not.

1:17:50

But the sport and the supports

1:17:52

and nature is emotional. Yes,

1:17:55

And I've been on the other end of a

1:17:59

heart fuck game, an

1:18:01

emotional and physically draining

1:18:03

game.

1:18:05

It's one of the craziest feelings

1:18:07

ever. Man.

1:18:08

It really takes it out of you as

1:18:11

a performer, and it

1:18:14

is very emotional. I remember my

1:18:17

wife and I were first starting to day. She was

1:18:19

like, Wow, this is crazy

1:18:24

because of the just

1:18:26

after a loss, it just even

1:18:29

after a win, you put so much

1:18:33

physically and emotionally into the

1:18:35

game, you

1:18:37

wear it, right. It takes hours

1:18:39

to decompress, especially

1:18:42

in football because of the the

1:18:44

sheer nature and the sheer violence

1:18:46

of the game, Like

1:18:49

you have to make yourself another

1:18:51

person and just

1:18:53

to snap back into reality. It's

1:18:56

tough to do, especially after the

1:18:58

emotional loss where you felt

1:19:01

like you didn't have home field or

1:19:03

home court advantage at

1:19:05

home. You

1:19:07

know, it's like oof,

1:19:11

that's tough, and so you lash

1:19:13

out and look, you're right, and you're absolutely

1:19:15

right when you say, you

1:19:18

know that's a that's a lose lose situation

1:19:20

for an aw but

1:19:23

the emotion of it is the emotion

1:19:25

of it, right,

1:19:28

So it hurts home

1:19:31

court advantage. Home field advantage means

1:19:33

something to an athlete because

1:19:37

it can give you that boost you

1:19:39

need. Right And

1:19:43

whenever we whenever we

1:19:45

would play the Stealers like

1:19:48

they were in Jacksonville, we played the Steelers, we

1:19:52

were at a disadvantage because

1:19:55

the Steeler fans would be they

1:19:57

would fill up the stadium.

1:20:01

And that is when you have to

1:20:03

go silent at home. Silent count

1:20:05

at home because you can't hear when your

1:20:07

offense has the ball.

1:20:09

That's that's demoralizing. Yes,

1:20:12

yes, so you feel the rams

1:20:14

have to do it offense.

1:20:15

Yes, so

1:20:18

I get it. You know, I understand Did.

1:20:20

You ever do it? You never did it?

1:20:22

Never talking about fans, Yeah,

1:20:25

so I understand

1:20:28

it. Then again I don't understand

1:20:30

it. Speaking of which, I got a text after

1:20:32

the draft for some friends. I got to tell you about

1:20:34

coming up next, My

1:20:38

man, I got to read something to you

1:20:40

so you could help me with how to respond, because

1:20:43

to me, there's just a head scratcher.

1:20:47

And I get it. The NFL draft

1:20:50

has turned into woodstock.

1:20:52

I don't know what you

1:20:55

know what I mean, I'm all for a good time, but

1:20:59

a billion p people are whatever shown up

1:21:01

to watch. Roger Goodell read

1:21:03

names like as a slow graduation.

1:21:07

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should be. I will say this, I

1:21:25

actually really enjoy the draft. The

1:21:28

draft has some aspects

1:21:31

of the Olympics to it, which

1:21:34

is to say that there is enough

1:21:36

time for us to get

1:21:39

to know these people

1:21:42

and some of their situation. As

1:21:45

this whole thing unfolds, we get

1:21:47

to go into their homes in certain cases

1:21:51

and see them and see their family

1:21:53

and the reaction and the tears and the hugs,

1:21:56

and that's tremendous. It's great

1:21:59

content. There's also the excitement

1:22:02

the unknown, especially if you're a college

1:22:04

football fan, you get to see where

1:22:06

some of your favorite players end up. It's

1:22:08

a little bit like Christmas or Honkikah. You're

1:22:11

opening presents, you don't know what's

1:22:13

in them, and then you open

1:22:15

them up. But as I tried to remind people last

1:22:17

week, it is very much like Christmas

1:22:19

or Honkkah in that there's presence

1:22:22

waiting for you,

1:22:24

but there's a fifty to fifty shot you're gonna

1:22:26

return what's in there. So

1:22:30

I know it's exciting, but

1:22:33

it's also filled with delusion, and

1:22:36

so there's

1:22:39

nothing I can do with the way my brain

1:22:41

works other than be amused by this. And

1:22:43

I wonder if you if

1:22:46

you feel the same way.

1:22:47

So

1:22:49

the draft ends yesterday,

1:22:53

and.

1:22:53

I've got a big thread with all of my closest

1:22:56

buddies, and one

1:22:58

of them just last night

1:23:00

at about dinner time, rights

1:23:04

not very excited about our draft

1:23:06

class.

1:23:09

And then has the little yawn emoji.

1:23:12

Now we're forty nine er fans,

1:23:16

Not that that matters for

1:23:18

almost every NFL fan this

1:23:21

weekend was a list of somewhere between

1:23:24

fifteen to twenty players, and

1:23:27

you're lucky if you've heard of one of them.

1:23:31

You're lucky if you've heard of one.

1:23:33

Of them, maybe two,

1:23:37

and you've actually seen them play. So

1:23:41

how am I to respond to

1:23:44

just average Joe fan

1:23:47

who goes, huh

1:23:50

saw those nine names?

1:23:52

Who yawn? What's

1:23:57

the response there?

1:24:01

The only response would be we got to

1:24:03

wait and see. That's

1:24:06

it. That's the only response.

1:24:08

I did appreciate Another one of my buddies

1:24:10

who who who?

1:24:12

Simply because the first the first

1:24:14

one who text back and goes, I

1:24:16

agree.

1:24:19

And I'm just looking at this, I'm like, what are

1:24:21

you?

1:24:22

Did you want them to come to your house and

1:24:25

introduce themselves to you? They

1:24:27

they they picked up

1:24:29

people at every position. What did you

1:24:32

think this was gonna be? Did

1:24:34

you think maybe you would know one of the people who

1:24:36

they picked or like, so

1:24:39

the third person the text goes, why

1:24:42

don't we revisit this in three years?

1:24:46

And I just wanted to stand

1:24:48

up, and of course I.

1:24:50

Mean, thank you, thank you for

1:24:52

saying what what I wanted to say,

1:24:54

so that I didn't have to say it.

1:24:58

You don't You don't know, right

1:25:02

like you, You don't know who's

1:25:05

going to do what and how they'll develop

1:25:07

and how they'll help you.

1:25:11

And it's.

1:25:18

Across the board every team,

1:25:22

right you may be hopeful on the one

1:25:24

name you do know normally the first

1:25:27

first round draft pick.

1:25:28

I don't think the Niners had one. They

1:25:31

did they did they? Okay,

1:25:34

they took they took Ricky Piersoll.

1:25:36

The uh, it's gonna be he's a good receiver

1:25:39

that's fit in.

1:25:40

Well, yeah, that's

1:25:42

gonna that's that's that's a good pick by you guys. Well,

1:25:46

but we don't. You don't know. You look

1:25:48

what you know? Is he going to be that? I

1:25:50

don't know.

1:25:51

This is what's so funny is you'll talk

1:25:53

about it and and in in

1:25:55

pooh poohing the idea of knowing what's going

1:25:57

on, we all fall into ooh, but but

1:25:59

I do you like that one?

1:26:00

Now? You already told me that Roma

1:26:03

Dune say that now he's gonna play. Yeah,

1:26:06

he gonna play. I agree with you,

1:26:08

but I also know I have no

1:26:11

like. Do you know Rome, No?

1:26:13

No? Do you know how he's wired? Nope? Is

1:26:15

he built for this? Not sure?

1:26:18

There you go, there

1:26:23

you go, not

1:26:26

sure, And none of us

1:26:28

are right. We don't know how to think.

1:26:30

We just went over there a little bit

1:26:32

early on the show, we went over the five qbs

1:26:35

that were drafted what three years ago? Three

1:26:38

years ago, and there's one

1:26:40

viable quarterback left in

1:26:42

that draft.

1:26:45

Right, and one of the teams that

1:26:47

had to dump the receiver of the quarterback

1:26:49

they picked responded

1:26:53

by getting someone as mister

1:26:55

irrelevant the following

1:26:57

year, and he's probably

1:27:00

to make fifty million dollars in eleven months

1:27:03

per year.

1:27:07

What what? What? What do we know today

1:27:09

that we didn't know on Thursday?

1:27:15

We know where these kids are going

1:27:19

to play. Thursday

1:27:21

morning we woke up and outside of Caleb

1:27:23

Williams, we didn't know anybody was gonna play.

1:27:26

Now we do pretty good idea about

1:27:28

where Jayden Daniels was gonna you know, pretty

1:27:31

good idea, pretty decent idea about where Drake

1:27:33

May.

1:27:33

Was going to play. But

1:27:36

but yeah, that that's that's about it.

1:27:39

I'm looking at NFL Networks

1:27:42

draft grades, and

1:27:44

uh I am proud to pass along

1:27:48

that every single team in the NFL

1:27:50

got a C plus or better. I

1:27:55

have taught a lot of classes in my

1:27:57

day, and uh I long

1:28:00

for the day when every

1:28:02

student gets a C plus or better.

1:28:06

That would be amazing.

1:28:08

You're you're you're on fire

1:28:10

in there, You're on fire.

1:28:12

In fact, there's only two teams that got

1:28:14

a C plus. Everybody else

1:28:18

gotta be minus or better. God's

1:28:22

NFL. You've all crushed it. You did it,

1:28:24

y' all did it.

1:28:25

Congratulations. I don't know what they

1:28:28

did. We'll see.

1:28:29

Man, this is the end of

1:28:31

the season conversation.

1:28:34

It's not even an end of it. It's the end

1:28:37

of two or three seasons.

1:28:38

Yeah, but you get to conversation sh

1:28:40

out of the guys who play, who

1:28:42

were drafted this year. You get

1:28:44

like pooking the cou.

1:28:47

Right, Okay, let's talk about pooking the CoA. Right?

1:28:50

You like when that what's happened?

1:28:52

You like?

1:28:52

Oh man, they had right.

1:28:54

I don't know if anyone had ever heard of him

1:28:56

before.

1:28:57

Of course not. That's not

1:28:59

an a that you hear once and then forget

1:29:02

that's the name.

1:29:02

The first time you hear it, I'm like, I'm gonna remember

1:29:05

that one.

1:29:06

Pukka.

1:29:08

Like Mark Michael Parsons with

1:29:10

his rookie year, we were like, oh

1:29:13

when it was happening, you were like, okay, there's something

1:29:15

there here.

1:29:16

C J.

1:29:16

Stroud, we were like, oh, all

1:29:19

right, well we got something here. So

1:29:24

during the season you'll be able

1:29:27

to identify the

1:29:31

special ones. Maybe

1:29:34

no, you will. You will because it is

1:29:36

tangible. It's now as tangible.

1:29:38

But there are some guys who will pop

1:29:41

too. In year two.

1:29:43

Yeah, but I'm talking about you

1:29:46

can start commenting on

1:29:48

these some guys won't play, some guys, right,

1:29:51

You can start the conversation

1:29:53

now after you have

1:29:57

a sample size. Like halfway

1:29:59

through the the year, we were like this

1:30:02

kid poking the cool go to c

1:30:04

J. Strau is like he's been in the league ten years.

1:30:06

Like you start having these types of conversation

1:30:09

and handing out halfway you

1:30:13

know, through the year, grades and things

1:30:15

like that.

1:30:17

But until then, That's

1:30:23

why I like the

1:30:25

strangest thing.

1:30:28

Is what I think at least most people

1:30:30

do, because at a certain

1:30:32

point in every draft, especially now that it's three

1:30:34

days, you go away. I

1:30:37

think round one put up an amazing rating.

1:30:41

Rounds two and three

1:30:43

obviously lesser, but like, okay,

1:30:46

you know, people kind of into it. I

1:30:49

think by yesterday most people went on about

1:30:51

their business and just heard about it later. Yes,

1:30:53

that's probably the cadence for most

1:30:56

NFL fans.

1:30:57

And what we do is.

1:30:58

We judge the draft by

1:31:01

the little letters that are next to the

1:31:03

player when we

1:31:05

pick up uh, you know, we

1:31:07

pick up a tablet or a phone

1:31:09

or a laptop, and we'll

1:31:12

look at, well, okay, let's see what my team did.

1:31:14

Oh oh, they got a they

1:31:17

got a corner back in the fifth round.

1:31:20

I like that.

1:31:21

I like that, all right, Yeah, we got a

1:31:24

corner back in the fifth round.

1:31:26

From ooh, in the sixth

1:31:28

round, we took an we took an

1:31:30

offensive tackle. That's good. We've

1:31:33

got to fortify the offensive line. And

1:31:35

so people will cruise around at

1:31:38

a good draft because of little

1:31:40

letters that are next

1:31:42

to these people's name. You got no clue

1:31:44

who these people are, absolutely

1:31:47

none.

1:31:48

So I'm here for the I'm

1:31:50

here for the fun.

1:31:52

I get that the pageantry of the whole

1:31:54

thing has been expertly

1:31:56

crafted by the NFL.

1:31:59

You know what I'd like to I would

1:32:01

like to know. Yeah, and maybe in

1:32:03

the you know, about fifteen or so minutes when

1:32:05

when we welcome our very own Steve,

1:32:08

he can give us some insight in

1:32:10

terms of viewership

1:32:13

because the NBA games were on when the

1:32:15

draft was on.

1:32:16

Yes, so I'd like to to know

1:32:20

you were watching the Lakers. You

1:32:22

were watching the Lakers.

1:32:24

Yeah, I was at the game. So

1:32:27

yeah, so that's different, that's you

1:32:29

know, but I would just

1:32:31

like to know in terms of, you know, the Thursday

1:32:34

Friday of the draft,

1:32:36

how did that stack up against the NBA

1:32:39

playoff games.

1:32:41

I'd be very interesting to know. I do know the

1:32:43

Thursday night. I can't tell you how it stacked

1:32:46

up. I can tell you put up a very big number.

1:32:48

Oh the draft, the draft, Oh

1:32:50

yeah, put.

1:32:51

Up a very charge. Yeah.

1:32:55

Well pick at the NFL. The NFL,

1:32:57

man, that's just what it is. Well, it's fun,

1:32:59

it's drama. It's unfolding as

1:33:01

we speak. We're going live to different

1:33:03

rooms. We don't know what's gonna happen while there's

1:33:06

a trade right. Plus, the first

1:33:08

round is largely populated by

1:33:10

players.

1:33:10

We do we do know at

1:33:13

least a thing or two.

1:33:14

You know what I love. I love

1:33:16

the old girlfriend. I

1:33:19

love the old player's girlfriend who's

1:33:21

trying to get some of the shine in the spotlight,

1:33:24

and the over protective mother

1:33:26

like back on up, now, girl, get on.

1:33:28

Back now, this ain't about you.

1:33:30

I mean I look forward to that

1:33:33

every year, and we had a couple of those this

1:33:35

year, man, and it is just hilarious.

1:33:38

Cat was it Ceedee Lamb who

1:33:41

who four years ago? The

1:33:43

girl trying to grab an

1:33:47

get your It's like, get my gas

1:33:50

off my phone.

1:33:52

Man, it's been, it's

1:33:54

been been a bunch of I

1:33:56

love that, man, Like that to me is funny.

1:34:00

Those dynamics.

1:34:01

Yes, that's why the whole thing is great.

1:34:04

It's got the unknown twist turns.

1:34:06

You're taking us inside people's homes.

1:34:09

We're getting to know people. Teams are moving

1:34:12

and shaking and doing surprise

1:34:14

things like that's what you're actually

1:34:16

watching And I'm here for

1:34:19

that. I just think it's really funny.

1:34:21

Anybody, if you're an expert

1:34:23

or not, I don't care if you've got a draft

1:34:25

book. It's

1:34:27

hysterical that you show up this morning and

1:34:29

you're like, so, here's everybody dead.

1:34:32

We think, I'm like, what are

1:34:34

you talking about.

1:34:35

I think it's just based on need,

1:34:38

right, like you don't know, you don't

1:34:40

know what, Doug. It's based on need. Like the

1:34:42

Raiders used to fill the draft because they wouldn't

1:34:44

draft on need. They draft speed. Right,

1:34:47

They're just like sod. They just like he's

1:34:49

fast. To get him. It's like, yeah, but

1:34:51

you didn't need him, you needed.

1:34:53

This and he's not good by the way,

1:34:55

right.

1:34:55

So that I think that's what the grades

1:34:59

are about, in terms of addressing your knee.

1:35:01

Now, whether that knee can be filled

1:35:04

or fulfilled with the player,

1:35:07

that's a different conversation.

1:35:08

I think a lot of these people are also

1:35:11

going I like, like I like this

1:35:13

guy.

1:35:13

I don't like that guy. That was a read.

1:35:15

You took him in the fourth, You could have got him in the fifth.

1:35:18

All of that stuff, which I think is just crazy.

1:35:21

I think, like, go

1:35:23

get your guy, Go

1:35:25

get your guy. I don't care if you took

1:35:27

him in the second. And somebody, man,

1:35:30

it's like one

1:35:32

big dating app.

1:35:34

There you go, right, you don't know, you swipe

1:35:37

r You didn't know you you know,

1:35:40

swiped into a toxic relationship

1:35:42

ship.

1:35:42

Oh my god, oh my god. Well

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1:36:19

All knotted up at thirty seven right now between

1:36:22

the Suns and the Wolves, about halfway

1:36:24

through the second quarter.

1:36:26

What's your read on the Suns this year? I

1:36:30

think.

1:36:34

I think they gave away

1:36:36

a lot of their defensive

1:36:39

intensity on the wings.

1:36:46

I think when you go to a

1:36:51

a three score mentality,

1:36:55

a type of deep type of offense, our type

1:36:57

of team, it's

1:37:00

difficult to in

1:37:04

a series to play

1:37:06

the type of defense you need to win because

1:37:10

the onus on Booker,

1:37:14

Durant and Bill being on

1:37:17

offensively it's too much, and it's

1:37:19

hard for all three to be on because

1:37:23

there's not enough balls to go around.

1:37:25

To be on.

1:37:27

I think that's why the Clippers

1:37:29

play better and

1:37:32

have been playing better this playoffs without Kawhi.

1:37:34

And because if

1:37:36

we watched you watch that game and watch the first game

1:37:38

coming down, it was either PG or

1:37:41

it was.

1:37:45

Harding.

1:37:48

But game two,

1:37:51

Okay, we're gonna go through Kawhi, and

1:37:54

it just kind of slowed things down

1:37:57

when you look at Dallas and

1:38:00

and it's either Kyrie like Lucas

1:38:02

starts it out always. The

1:38:04

reason they got back into that game was because Kyrie

1:38:06

went bonkers in the second half. What

1:38:11

if you have to appiece

1:38:14

a third score, that's

1:38:18

a difficult task and it throws things

1:38:20

off a little bit. And so I think

1:38:23

when they got Bradley Beal, I think

1:38:25

it put the Suns in that situation. Plus

1:38:28

what they gave up, they gave up their their

1:38:30

their their wing defenders. Uh

1:38:33

they're three and D guys as I like to

1:38:35

to to call them. And

1:38:38

so it's it's it's just a difficult

1:38:41

thing to overcome in

1:38:43

a year.

1:38:46

I get that.

1:38:47

I also think that things

1:38:50

happen really really fast

1:38:53

in the world of roster construction

1:38:55

in the NBA, and

1:38:58

the Suns feel like a

1:39:01

team that built themselves

1:39:03

based on what was happening a

1:39:05

decade ago in the NBA.

1:39:07

Yes, yeah,

1:39:09

it's not happening.

1:39:10

No, no, no, you can't. That's not the recipe

1:39:12

anymore.

1:39:13

Right, You're not just hey, let's grab three

1:39:16

really cool players and we're going

1:39:18

to overwhelm everybody. The examples

1:39:20

of that are are quite

1:39:23

frankly, I think they're

1:39:25

fake for the most part. In other words,

1:39:28

if people want to look at the Miami Heat and go, well,

1:39:30

Bosh, Wade and Lebron, Sure,

1:39:34

but did you notice the way they filled in the rest

1:39:36

of the roster.

1:39:36

But even in that sense, two

1:39:40

of those twenty

1:39:42

five twenty seven point a night players

1:39:45

took a back seat

1:39:48

to Lebron.

1:39:49

Worst.

1:39:49

Bosh was no longer Chris Bosh was a once.

1:39:52

Absolutely the offense ran through Chris

1:39:54

Bosh. Now he was a rebounder,

1:39:57

it was a role player and a rim protector.

1:40:00

Yep. Absolutely.

1:40:01

But if you look at what's succeeding

1:40:03

in the NBA right now, I

1:40:05

know that you have to have a second

1:40:07

and a third and a fourth like

1:40:10

good player Like

1:40:12

I totally get Jamal

1:40:14

Murray and Michael Porter Junior and Aaron Gordon.

1:40:17

I understand, but that's

1:40:19

not a big three or a big four.

1:40:21

No, it's not that we've

1:40:24

gone back and I love this about where

1:40:26

the NBA is right now. We've

1:40:28

gone back to continuity.

1:40:31

We've gone back to fit,

1:40:35

We've gone back to smarts,

1:40:38

Like basketball has got.

1:40:40

To be smart.

1:40:41

And even for instance, when the Warriors were

1:40:43

at the height of their powers six, seven,

1:40:45

eight years ago, what people never

1:40:48

understood about those teams. Sure,

1:40:50

they were overwhelming everyone, they had the

1:40:52

best players, but they were one of the top

1:40:54

defensive teams and they were one of the best

1:40:56

ball movement teams.

1:40:58

You look at what the Nuggets and the Celtics

1:41:00

are doing.

1:41:01

Now, Yeah there's a one,

1:41:03

there's a two, and maybe

1:41:05

a three, and then there's

1:41:07

just smarts. There's

1:41:10

smart stuff happening all over

1:41:12

the floor. And the Phoenix Suns.

1:41:14

I want to be very careful here. I'm not saying

1:41:17

this about any of the people on

1:41:19

the roster, but they are constructed

1:41:22

in a very dumb way.

1:41:25

I would agree with that. I

1:41:28

would agree with that. Now you get

1:41:30

your offensive firepower, but

1:41:33

then that's it, though, that's it, And

1:41:35

they are running into a team that

1:41:37

has been constructed from the inside

1:41:40

out. All

1:41:42

Right, you got Minnesota with possibly

1:41:46

the Defensive.

1:41:47

Player of the Year.

1:41:50

You have another big who's a stretch four,

1:41:53

and you have one of the most dynamic players

1:41:56

in the league, and

1:41:59

Anthony Edwards, and then you got

1:42:01

uh Dyalen

1:42:04

Daniels who's a who's the three and D guy.

1:42:07

And and nas Reed never missed.

1:42:09

He comes off the bench and I mean he's he's

1:42:12

probably gonna be the sixth.

1:42:13

Minute of the year.

1:42:14

He and you have Mike Connelly

1:42:16

as the floor general. That's

1:42:19

why you construct the team

1:42:23

like there's depth there. And

1:42:29

when the bench players come in, when slow Mo

1:42:31

comes in, Kyle Anderson, he's

1:42:34

just doing his thing, moving at

1:42:36

his own speed. Guys know

1:42:39

their roles and

1:42:41

that's that's a comfort level. When

1:42:45

guys know their role. WHOA, when

1:42:47

guys know their role, that's a comfort

1:42:49

level. So

1:42:54

it's it's one of those situations where

1:42:57

you know it this is a bad

1:43:00

matchup for them, But

1:43:03

I would think anybody in the West would be a bad

1:43:05

matchup for him. They're

1:43:09