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are doing their grades. Some are lamenting

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the fact that people do grades. You know what,

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like everything else, go back to Kevin Durant,

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who's gonna be sitting on his couch pretty soon

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Gottlieb, with Cavino and Richard during the week twelve

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to four Pacific time. What's

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going well, buddy?

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These draft grades are

1:04

crazy, just for the simple fact Mike

1:06

of if you only have like five picks,

1:09

no one's giving you an a like you have

1:11

to if you're going to grade great on a curve, great

1:14

on what you had available to

1:16

you, because I always feel the teams that

1:19

either made them move up or

1:22

ended up having about like twelve picks

1:24

in a draft always end up getting great

1:27

draft grades because they

1:29

were the team that we heard the most. Now

1:31

you also have the opportunity to cancel

1:34

out some bad picks because you have more of them.

1:36

But if you're going to grade a draft, at

1:38

least do it on a curve.

1:40

Well, do the activity of the GM

1:42

How active were they? Did they get did

1:44

they look like they were sweating in the draft

1:47

room like Sonny Weaver back in the

1:49

day in draft day. I mean that that's kind of

1:51

where we get to at the final analysis

1:53

to your your point of you know, how active

1:56

were they in terms of making more

1:58

from what they had or did they at

2:00

least not go and draft

2:02

someone that made to the common

2:05

thinking no sense, because then you kill them.

2:08

So it's one of those

2:10

processes like you take it for what it's worth

2:13

and laughing.

2:14

You know.

2:14

The other crowd is the well, we can't

2:16

judge him for four years, like, no, that's not

2:18

the way it works. The programming is

2:21

now, and we're projecting forward,

2:23

just like these guys are and making their selections.

2:26

The programming is now, But the

2:28

contradictions that happen are

2:31

it's it's profound, and it's the

2:33

reason why I don't love draft grades.

2:36

And I just go to the fact.

2:38

Of when Randy Gregory

2:41

was in the draft years back and

2:43

he was flagged for having a positive

2:46

drug test at the NFL combine. So

2:48

Randy Gregory was a first round talent

2:50

who ends up falling to the second

2:52

round and the Cowboys end

2:55

up taking him at that time, and then you're

2:57

saying, look at this great value, Well,

2:59

yeah, there was a reason that he was that.

3:02

And I'll even take a more recent one, Jalen

3:05

Carter last year of the Eagles, when

3:08

drafted by Philadelphia, there

3:10

was a reason why he fell to

3:13

where he fell in the back half

3:15

of the top ten because of the

3:17

drama that occurred in his

3:19

life with the street racing. And but

3:22

then you hear man, Howie Roseman did it again.

3:24

No, Howe Roseman just was willing

3:27

to take the risk to bring in

3:29

Jalen Carter or nobody else was.

3:31

It's not a wasn't a master class

3:33

move, and so that when people put that as part

3:35

of grades, that's what annoys

3:38

me. Obviously, the talent at that spot

3:40

is great, but there's a reason why that

3:42

player fell to said spot, So

3:45

that team shouldn't necessarily be rewarded

3:48

just because maybe they had the

3:50

I don't know know guts, or maybe they

3:52

just had the depth to be able to make the pick.

3:55

That's the stuff that I know.

3:56

Oh that's the latter part, right, is that they were drafting

3:58

from the position of great strength

4:01

on their roster. So if it didn't work out

4:03

and there were more things to come

4:06

out of that or future problems,

4:08

ah well we missed on that one. We move

4:11

forward, sure, right, then go back to Laramie Tunzel

4:13

and the Darth Vader mask.

4:14

Mm hmm.

4:16

Now he's potentially a Hall of Fame guy

4:18

all these years later, but he's a guy

4:20

that at the time is like, wait, what the hell

4:22

is going on here?

4:23

Right?

4:24

I remember that draft night, but it's

4:26

it's all of it. It all comes out in the wash, and

4:28

we'll get into the draft in earnest. As

4:31

the show goes on from the Fantasy angle as

4:33

well some winners and losers coming

4:35

out of the draft picks. But you and I talking a little

4:37

bit before the show, you know, we get

4:40

excited when it comes playoff time. Right, Sometimes

4:43

sports stay not in

4:45

the background, but don't get that, you know,

4:47

front page fodder until

4:49

you get to win in time.

4:50

Right.

4:50

We do it every year with college basketball

4:53

because it's overshadowed by the NFL.

4:55

And then we get towards Christmas Day, towards

4:58

the end of the NFL regular see in the NBA

5:00

steps forward a bunch in college

5:03

basketball. If you're a college basketball fan, obviously

5:05

you're watching, you understand what I'm saying.

5:07

It's like hockey fan is excitable

5:10

that you know the regular season exists,

5:12

but then the playoffs are a different level.

5:14

For the NC DOUBLEA, we wait for the NC DOUBLEA

5:17

tournament, everybody predicts their upsets

5:19

and gets excited. Now we're watching the NBA playoffs,

5:23

Dan, and every night it becomes the all

5:25

right, I'm gonna flip it on. I'm gonna watch

5:27

five minutes and we'll see

5:29

if if there's effort, and

5:32

that's the scary part that we're talking about,

5:34

and then I'll check back in at about an hour and a half,

5:36

knowing it's about a two hour to twenty

5:38

win, and see what the

5:41

differential is in points at that point.

5:43

Have you made a run or is this just

5:45

a all right, we were up to nothing. We'll

5:47

clap our hands and move forward. Yeah, I am.

5:49

I don't think it's as much

5:51

efforts as this sense of urgency.

5:54

And that's the and I think that lingers

5:57

throughout the NBA. I mean, just

5:59

take a look at you yesterday's games, Mike, and

6:02

it's the second straight weekend where we've pretty much

6:04

had absolute dog

6:06

games like to start out

6:08

the weekend in the NBA playoffs last weekend,

6:11

Pelicans at Thunder were really the only

6:13

matchup to really save us to

6:15

say hey, you know, this is

6:17

a game, and it went down to the final possession,

6:20

so you had that excitement. Lakers

6:23

had a lead against the Nuggets and then

6:25

the Nuggets come back and rally, so there was

6:27

a bit of a story one there, but it wasn't that the

6:29

fact that the games ended up being

6:31

close games. And you look

6:33

at the slate yesterday. So now

6:35

we're a week into the playoffs and

6:38

there's still no urgency, and it reminds

6:40

me a little bit of this regular season and

6:43

why I just I can't give the Lakers a

6:45

pass. I know we're going to talk about them a little

6:47

bit. Is if this team could

6:49

compete with the Denver Nuggets night in night

6:52

out the NBA playoffs, then why

6:54

are you fighting for a seventh

6:56

seed or an eight seed during the regular season?

6:59

And is that to me signals

7:02

something of something's not right, You're not turning

7:04

it on, You're not doing what you need to do, because

7:07

if you can match up that well with Denver,

7:09

then you can match up with anybody in the West.

7:12

Then why do you do it? Why? Why?

7:14

I'm not saying that they're settling mic for

7:16

the seven or eight seed, but it provides

7:18

such a safety net for some of these,

7:21

you know, for some of these teams, and that safety

7:23

net takes away that

7:26

that need for urgency. And I don't

7:29

think any of these teams were

7:31

urgent, except maybe for Boston yesterday,

7:34

because Boston goes and takes it to the heat after

7:36

dropping Game two. But I

7:39

mean, man, it was just it was not a

7:41

great slate of basketball, and Lakers

7:44

end up getting the win and not having Denver come

7:46

back in the game, which was different from

7:48

their first couple of contests, you

7:50

know, but still even that one, it felt like the Lakers kind

7:52

of kept Denver at arm's length.

7:53

Well, yeah, watching last night, there are

7:55

a couple of runs towards the end of

7:57

that game, and it's like, are they going to get them again?

8:00

Then a couple of big plays from Lebron. I know, there's

8:03

a couple of great video clips, right, there

8:05

was an early challenge that he

8:07

was mad at Darvin Ham for not challenging,

8:10

yelling at the official stomping up and down,

8:12

made happy Birthday to Brody. You've

8:14

probably seen that with a three year old at this point

8:17

right where Look and we've

8:19

all had our moments of just

8:21

not a national TV like that, but you're

8:23

mad, and then you totally ignored that play

8:26

is restarting because you're man,

8:28

they missed the call, right, he was right, but

8:31

in the end your coach isn't gonna

8:33

challenge it. You move on. But then you had the other

8:36

which was the big steal, Yokich holding

8:38

the ball and he slams it down and Lebron

8:40

starts going the other way. People are doing

8:42

the Zubruta film and say, how many steps do you get before

8:45

you have to dribble the ball these days, which

8:47

again laughable. But the point was Lebron

8:50

did everything in his power down the stretch

8:52

and took over in spot to ensure

8:55

the win. The fact that D'Angelo

8:57

Russell, after being lampooned everyone

9:00

which way till Sunday after his Game

9:02

three performance, came back with a big

9:04

effort twenty one on eight of

9:06

sixteen shooting. But they

9:10

survive and it's advance

9:12

it. But to your point about urgency, and

9:15

you know, I use the term effort in the

9:17

in the larger scale of all right,

9:19

we know that we need to win

9:22

half our games to be in the

9:24

play in conversation is I guess

9:26

where we're at. And this year for the Lakers

9:29

was a bigger deal for the fact that you had Lebron

9:31

and ad play virtually

9:34

every game. Yeah, eighty played seventy five games.

9:37

Lebron missed some down the

9:39

stretch, you know, bload management

9:42

or whatever you

9:44

want to call it. But the

9:46

fact was that they played together. When you say,

9:48

well, I've got those two guys against the world, the sporting

9:51

cast is important to a degree.

9:53

There's a lot of bad teams in the NBA

9:55

on either side of the aisle, right, so

9:57

you're gonna win some of those games by default.

10:00

So the safety net

10:02

of that nine to ten addition to

10:04

the playoffs because yes, if

10:06

they were the seventh or eighth seed, stipulate

10:09

they would make the playoffs. But and

10:12

eventually you're going to have to get through Denver,

10:15

so you get them early while these

10:17

guys are healthy. Like I understand some of the logic

10:20

of you know, the matchup

10:23

side of it, but also there's no urgency

10:25

for home court advantage. Like what's upon a time

10:28

that seemed to be everything.

10:30

Now it's I'm praying that my stars

10:32

are healthy for April. Yes, so

10:35

as long as we can get in, we may

10:37

have a puncher's chance.

10:38

And because home court advantage really

10:40

doesn't kick in until the actual game seven,

10:43

in terms of if you really think about it,

10:45

it has.

10:46

Not been that important.

10:48

I mean, you saw it a couple of years ago when

10:51

there was the battle of trying

10:53

to not face Brooklyn between

10:55

Milwaukee and Boston in

10:57

the East, and Boston actually accepted the

11:00

challenge. Milwaukee turned away from it, and

11:02

it was only at that point when they their semi

11:04

final series because Boston destroyed Brooklyn

11:07

and met the Bucks in the conference semifinals

11:09

that it ended up going to a game seven

11:11

and guess what home court advantage

11:14

mattered. It was the Grant Williams game ended

11:16

up blowing Milwaukee out in that Game

11:18

seven after the Bucks were up heck three to

11:20

two in that series. But to your

11:22

point, like that's the one off in all of

11:25

this, there is just you

11:27

mentioned a lot of bad teams in the in

11:29

the NBA, in the Western Conference,

11:31

there were ten spots for eleven teams.

11:34

That's what this season basically was.

11:37

You know, Houston was in it for

11:39

the last you know, up until the last week

11:41

or two in the in the regular season,

11:43

but they end up not making it. But the

11:46

I don't know, I

11:48

don't know if the

11:51

the value of getting in the top

11:54

six is enough to

11:56

con to provide

12:00

that urgency for these teams, because you

12:02

would think it would like, hey, we don't want to get into the

12:04

plan because it's one and done. Well, heck,

12:06

there's a safety net in the play in if

12:09

you're a seven or eight you lose, guess what you get

12:11

another game? And yeah,

12:13

and it's at home and the team's on short you know, rest

12:15

because of who played so like so like

12:17

even that factor. And I just I'm

12:19

not saying that it's it's the sole reason,

12:22

Mike for it, but there just doesn't seem to be

12:24

urgency in the NBA and

12:26

in these playoffs. And then you have a slate

12:29

of games. I mean, it's been blowout

12:31

city with the Calves and Magic in the

12:33

series that nobody I means made for

12:35

NBA TV. We joke about it. But

12:37

the Magic got scored the Calves

12:40

sixty one to twenty nine in the second

12:42

half of a game four.

12:45

You know, you know, like it's just it, like

12:47

what do what is going on? Like

12:49

where? And it may say more

12:52

about Cleveland as a team than anything

12:54

else, but you know, that's your make or

12:56

break game, Mike, Right, you go up three to

12:58

one, you go back home, you have the next you know, two

13:00

or three at home if you're Cleveland, and then you

13:03

get it outscored by thirty

13:05

points in the you know, in the second half.

13:08

It's just it's it's not good and and

13:10

and they're not the only ones it's been. You

13:12

know, it's been that way throughout And I don't

13:14

think and I don't think it's

13:17

just because teams are better, like I

13:19

think Minnesota is better than Phoenix,

13:21

and I think that they've showed that.

13:22

I think Phoenix has some

13:24

issues.

13:25

But the Cavs Magic Series is

13:28

probably the perfect one of why you

13:30

just have these games that end up getting

13:32

out of hand when you think that you have too evenly

13:34

match squads.

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13:49

that pick number eight is still blinking out

13:52

there for us to comment on. Uh,

13:54

and you know, kill off some

13:56

of those justifications you may have heard these

13:59

last seventy all of that and more.

14:01

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I think they can write a book on some of the stories

16:00

getting to and from Churchill

16:03

Downs.

16:04

There could be a.

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Book about the two and from, and

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then there could be another book about what actually

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happens on the grounds during

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the Kentucky Derby.

16:13

No question about. It's so much to go on

16:15

with that, the pomp and circumstance, because

16:17

look, we're talking about record numbers and crazy

16:20

numbers, seven hundred thousand people

16:22

plus across the city of Detroit.

16:24

We've got our guy Chris Purfett with us,

16:26

our technical producer today. No,

16:29

he was very excited, right the Lions the

16:31

last couple of years showing out

16:33

on the field and then you get M and M and

16:35

they all show out. It's

16:37

one of those events. I still want it in Radio

16:39

City Music Hall. I'm old. I'm

16:42

old. Like I liked that there was

16:44

tradition, like it's tradition that we talk about

16:46

lot Dan with sports and when

16:48

you change. And I love that cities get

16:50

to do this. I don't mean to diminish it. I

16:52

hope everybody had a wonderful time. We've

16:55

seen it in Nashville, We've seen it in Green

16:57

Bay is next, right. You you take it

16:59

around this traveling road show and see

17:01

everybody show out in their jerseys

17:04

and and and cheering, and

17:06

it's fantastic. There's just still

17:08

something about me that thinks back

17:10

to those drafts in that

17:12

spot that how with the Hallowed ground,

17:15

and you're part of what might be that I got a notification

17:17

that tickets were going on sale for Ringo Starr

17:20

and his All Star banned at Radio City. All

17:22

that, but the timing kind of you

17:24

know, came together. But you know, it's

17:26

it's the kind of thing that I again, I

17:28

appreciate the largest of what the NFL

17:30

has become, but there's something to the old

17:32

school.

17:33

You know that first of all, that that number just seemed

17:35

really large to me, like it

17:38

was just like it's just where it was like nobody's

17:41

really gonna call them on it.

17:43

They're not gonna say like how do you estimate

17:45

that? Yeah?

17:47

Yeah, So it's and you spread it out over

17:49

three days and you have that

17:51

total. But it just it's it just

17:53

seemed it just seemed only

17:55

for the NFL's benefit. On why

17:58

it was great, because I don't

18:00

want us to sound like get off my lawn,

18:02

guye. But I did think about what

18:05

would it be like to attend an NFL

18:07

draft and what we what

18:09

we see these What we

18:11

see at these drafts with

18:14

the enormous amounts of people are

18:16

the crowd shots, the sky

18:18

shots where you just see this swarm

18:21

and it looks like a music festival all

18:24

into what's you know, leading

18:26

up to the to the stage.

18:28

But then you have these.

18:30

Manufactured team

18:33

sections where the fans sit so the

18:35

camera can always go all right, let's

18:38

Jaguars are on the clock, and they've got their own

18:40

designated spot where there's a guy dressed

18:42

up in all of his Jaguar stuff or same

18:44

thing, somebody with a cheese head that's a Packers

18:47

fan. Like you've got all these different

18:49

team sections that are set up by

18:52

the NFL. My question

18:54

is, and what I in why I

18:56

like the old version better, is how

18:59

many of those seven hundred thousand

19:02

fans walked through? Really

19:04

we're paying attention to what was going on

19:07

to really, aside

19:09

from the Terry and Arnold pick of

19:11

Detroit, how many people are

19:13

there if you're a draft fan

19:15

or a fan of your team, are

19:17

you there to really soak in the

19:20

draft.

19:21

And I guess that's

19:23

probably the NFL's argument, Mike, is it's

19:26

the draft is the draft, but it's all about

19:28

the NFL in that weekend where you

19:30

and I are probably like, no, the draft is

19:32

the draft, and it's about the draft.

19:35

And the great thing that happened with those

19:37

drafts is that that New York fan base

19:40

Jets are giants. Usually

19:42

the Jets were never happy with their picks,

19:44

or the Philadelphia fans would come up and

19:47

they would then end up, you

19:50

know, being critical of their bicks and booing

19:52

Donovan McNabb. It

19:54

was a celebration of the NFL

19:56

is what the draft has become. And it

19:58

wasn't that in New York. And I think that's the

20:01

part where it was more authentic.

20:04

This is just as you said, you

20:06

know, Eminem is on stage, all

20:08

these Lions come out. There's

20:11

aside from maybe a if you're a Packers

20:13

fan there, excuse me if the Packers are

20:15

picking where the Lions fans would boo or

20:18

maybe the Bears beautify because of

20:20

a division rivalry. It's

20:22

more of just the celebration of

20:24

the National Football League. And I just don't think

20:26

that that is that to

20:29

me, isn't authentic. It's not

20:31

a commission always gets booed, But it's also

20:33

the booing of the teams that

20:35

he came accustomed to, Jets, Eagles,

20:38

Giants, those teams.

20:39

Yeah. I got to attend it in New York

20:41

once, right, long ago, the Matt

20:43

Lioner year. So let's go back

20:46

to two thousand and six for

20:48

that one. And he was the last guy in the green room,

20:50

okay, and what was he the tenth or eleventh pick?

20:53

Yeah? Yeah, right, top five card.

20:55

So gone and that was it. So the rest of

20:57

the night it was filled with an

21:00

awful lot of former Jets and Giants

21:02

and trivia questions with them and whatever. But

21:04

it felt like it was a and again, celebrate

21:08

the growth of the NFL, no question about

21:10

it, and make your money and take

21:12

your victory laps where you can. There it felt like

21:14

you were at the theater. So you're watching

21:16

a show like you were watching

21:18

a live theater event. And

21:20

the intermissions are when a team would take the

21:22

full amount of the clock, or there'd be a trade

21:25

and it would extend and all of that stuff. So

21:27

there's filler, like an intermission.

21:29

All right, go get your popcorn and whatever. But

21:32

it felt like everybody was at rapt attention

21:34

for what was coming next to

21:36

your point about it's a celebration

21:39

and it's a big party. Everything else.

21:41

Good for the folks in Detroit and these other

21:43

places that have hosted it, but there

21:45

it felt like it was a business. Like

21:47

you and I watch it, but it's like you

21:50

know, you go to Broadway to see theater. It

21:52

was the same thing. All right, what's the next

21:54

act going to be? Where's the twist?

21:57

The m Night Shaliman movie

22:00

whist on a stage for the draft?

22:02

Well, we know we got that at pick number eighth

22:05

this year in a big way. So

22:08

yeah, it's it's that kind of thing.

22:11

It's never going back. And

22:14

I am I am curious

22:16

because I you know, I know, you know, Chris

22:18

Perfet's a diehard Detroit guy. I

22:21

just I'm curious in his thoughts. I'm curious

22:23

on Ian's thoughts as well as a younger

22:25

viewer, as Chris

22:28

just with did it do anything with

22:30

you? Having it in Detroit,

22:32

since you're from basically

22:35

the area you cover the Lions. Did

22:37

that do anything for you in watching

22:39

over these last three days.

22:40

Yes, But I think there's some extenuating circumstances

22:43

to it. First off, I know we, like

22:46

you know, I've been planning to go. A

22:48

lot of that fell through, So I think it was kind

22:50

of at least fun for me to view it from afar

22:52

my connections to the city. At least I

22:54

know, like the restaurants around there, the people

22:56

who are going in. I know people have made plans for months.

22:59

But I think the big factor that really

23:01

made it as successful as it is, that that

23:04

made it bigger than Nashville, that

23:06

brought in these huge, record setting crowds,

23:08

was that it did come on

23:10

the heels of the Detroit Lions having one

23:13

of their most successful and most

23:15

celebrated seasons, not just successful,

23:17

but celebrated, lauded for the team,

23:19

for Dan Campbell, for everything else in

23:22

recent memory. It's only a few

23:24

months removed from the Lions playing in

23:26

the NFC Championship Game, and I think

23:29

that just carries it carried a lot

23:31

the same momentum from that Lion

23:33

season that this is still a feel good moment for

23:36

Detroit. And there's always the emotion when

23:38

I get to see people from the outside go

23:40

to Detroit and dispel all of their held

23:44

conceptions of Detroit. That kind

23:46

of comes from, you know, the national

23:48

media or people outside of what they think Detroit

23:51

is. They go there and it's like wow, it's this is different

23:53

than what I expected. This is great

23:55

downtown in this sports area. So it

23:58

has that element to it. Yeah, I think that's

24:00

fair.

24:01

And and the reason I bring I wanted Chris's

24:03

thoughts and I want Ian's thoughts, Mike, is because

24:06

Chris has got a local connection. Ian's

24:10

twenty years younger than we are, you know, like you

24:12

know, like in terms of what we remember and pull

24:14

back the curtain.

24:15

Dan, Hey show up.

24:17

I don't know, but but I

24:19

but I am. I am fairly I'm fairly

24:22

certain. I appreciate your joke. Soul Man.

24:25

Do you do you remember New York based drafts?

24:27

I mean, you're I mean, you know, I know it's your

24:29

Jets fan, it's your.

24:30

I'm twenty four, so you know I was

24:33

around for that stuff. Yeah,

24:35

but I've only the only draft I've attended

24:37

was the one in Vegas.

24:38

A few years ago.

24:39

Okay, but I gotta

24:41

be honest, I I really like what it's become.

24:43

See that's I am what I was curious

24:45

about.

24:45

Maybe that is like a young person's

24:48

way of looking at it, but I

24:50

like, I I kind of like that Eminem's on still. You

24:52

know, it's a little weird. It's a little like, what are you doing here,

24:54

dude? You know, like because you're hip hop. But he's

24:57

an icon in the city that it's being held

24:59

in, So I, you know, I thought there was a place

25:01

for him.

25:02

Again, a younger person.

25:04

I was going to say, I also attended in twenty

25:06

seventeen the Draft in Philadelphia, and

25:09

like, with no connections to Philadelphia, we'd

25:11

gone out there with a couple of friends, but like I

25:13

was blown away by the Philadelphia crowd

25:15

too. So I think there is something to just, you

25:18

know, to what Ian's saying, that there

25:20

is something Getting to see each

25:22

fan base's culture on display is

25:25

something remarkable. It's not always going to be a hit,

25:27

and it's not always going to be a hit. I don't think

25:29

we could hold this, and like say, Jacksonville and

25:32

I have questions about the capacity in

25:34

Green Bay for two hundred thousand people.

25:36

But you know, well, there's a lot

25:38

of open space in Green Bay

25:40

right there is.

25:43

They're not having it on a farm in

25:45

pastic They

25:48

could have.

25:49

Been around that state. There's

25:51

land even right around this date.

25:53

Ye.

25:55

In fact, houses are being knocked down

25:57

where my family would part at

26:00

Packer games. That house no longer

26:02

exists because the packers have taken it over for

26:04

their own space. But they're

26:07

gonna be fine. They're going to figure out a way to do it. And that's

26:09

that's the point of it is. There's so

26:12

Chris and Ian if both attended NFL

26:14

drafts for whatever reason, you

26:17

attending a New York draft is like

26:19

it's there's not a long like

26:22

there there are more people who have attended these

26:24

drafts than it ever attended in New York draft

26:26

because of just I mean, heck, if you have two hundred

26:29

and twenty thousand and basically you

26:31

know probably yeah exactly

26:33

at Radio City Music Hall, for surely.

26:35

And I appreciate it, like, look, you know me, we've

26:37

known each other a long time. The guys as well.

26:40

Like I love live events more than anything, Like

26:42

it's the lifeblood of

26:44

of If I can get to a concert, I

26:46

can get to theater. I'm there

26:49

like schedule permitting, my daughter's

26:51

wanting to roll up. We go to anything

26:53

and everything that is available to us because

26:55

that's where you have all the energy going into

26:58

the same same direct Right

27:00

outside of your church, synagogues, your

27:03

house of worship, that's the only place

27:05

that happens is in that

27:07

kind of environment. Right live live

27:10

concerts, you may not like their set list, you

27:12

may be mad they left your favorite

27:14

song off, but you're still celebrating the artists.

27:16

Sporting events, we may hate each other's teams,

27:19

but we're still there to celebrate the

27:21

game we love and watch the game we love, be

27:23

it soccer, be it the NFL,

27:26

be it even the NBA where blowouts

27:29

rein supreme. But it's but it's that idea

27:31

for me, so I appreciate it. Yeah,

27:34

one level, no question, I'd love to go experience

27:36

one. Green Bay would be a hell of a time to go

27:39

go back towards home, right

27:41

being a Midwesterner and and seeing

27:44

that on display, I think would be great, like great

27:46

hospitality anytime I've traveled through

27:48

there. It would be fun to see, like

27:50

like Chris said, with Detroit people getting

27:53

to experience that.

27:54

Sure, and want to just find so interesting is

27:57

again, even in this draft

27:59

that we just have, we had known

28:01

the number one overall pick, but still there was a

28:03

lot of hype around it the

28:06

draft classroom. You have the six quarterbacks

28:08

and obviously the Penick story.

28:10

There a majority of these

28:12

picks, the two hundred

28:15

thousand people don't really care that

28:17

are there. And that's why I was really curious

28:20

about Ian's thoughts on it, because it is

28:22

a new age draft

28:24

and as you and I talked about, it always seemed

28:26

to be about the drama and what it

28:28

is, and this is about the show and

28:32

to your point about the live events and

28:34

concerts, that's you're right, that's what this is.

28:36

And when Roger Goodell says that

28:38

we are having more cities, there's

28:41

better competition to host

28:43

the Draft than there are super Bowls because

28:46

not everybody can host super Bowls,

28:49

I find it pretty interesting. And so

28:51

that seven hundred thousand number is

28:53

also a hey,

28:56

all you other NFL cities, if

28:58

you want seven hundred thousand people, eight

29:00

hundred thousand people in your downtown

29:02

area over a three day weekend, that

29:05

could help with restaurants, hotels, and everything

29:07

else you may want to bid on this, so

29:09

it's good. It goes back to the business, It

29:11

goes back to the dollars, goes back

29:13

to you know, the NFL just

29:15

being completely mainstream. I have

29:17

no problem with NFL, you know, putting EM

29:19

and M on stage. I think it's awesome. I

29:22

just think they do it to soften the blow that Roger

29:24

Goodell's getting, you know.

29:25

Oh you know he's also got a new album coming out.

29:27

Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah,

29:29

there you go.

29:30

It's perfect album.

29:32

Absolutely, But it just it's so

29:35

much about the marketing of it, marketing

29:37

of it, than it is of

29:39

the actual draft.

29:40

You don't have to like Roger Goodell, and many people

29:43

don't correct, but you want

29:45

to talk about business acumen and

29:47

directing this thing forward.

29:49

Remember a couple of years ago when everybody was saying

29:51

it was dying. I

29:55

can only laugh at Dan Byer on Fox. Where

29:57

you find Dan, find me over at Swollendome,

30:00

find Chris at Chris Purfett. Now

30:02

we're going to turn our attention to our man, Isaac

30:05

Loewenkron with an update

30:07

of our sporting universe. What's going on?

30:09

I love The latest update is you guys

30:11

have sent me down the NFL draft

30:14

rabbit hole with all this talk

30:17

about the history of the NFL draft

30:19

and the locations, and within the last

30:21

few minutes and listening to your discussion,

30:23

I found out that for about

30:26

four years in the nineteen fifties, they

30:29

held the first three rounds of the draft

30:31

in November, and then

30:34

they held the final twenty seven

30:36

rounds of the draft.

30:37

Two months later.

30:39

Wow.

30:39

So the seven the first three rounds were in

30:41

November in Philadelphia

30:44

and the final twenty seven rounds

30:46

were two months later in Los

30:48

Angeles. So I

30:51

remember the NFL Draft in the Radio

30:53

City musical. I had no idea until you guys

30:55

brought it up that the NFL Draft used

30:57

to take place over a couple of

30:59

months.

31:00

So that's your NFL draft history.

31:02

I'll tell you what, if they were really, really smart

31:04

back then, they would have been trading a

31:07

twenty twenty four, twenty sixth round pick.

31:09

You know, like that. That really would

31:11

have been smart business.

31:13

But you know, that's a great

31:15

idea that would have really livened things though.

31:17

So ten years down in the future, I will give you our

31:19

first round pick twenty thirty

31:21

four. Let's go.

31:22

I'd hate to be holding the Portsmouth

31:25

Spartan's nineteen thirty six

31:27

second round.

31:28

What do you do with that?

31:31

We waited eighty eight years and they don't even

31:33

exist anymore. Speaking

31:35

of not existing anymore, the Los Angeles

31:37

Lakers almost did not exist,

31:40

but they kept their season alive

31:42

on Saturday night with a one nineteen to

31:44

one toh eight win over Denver, breaking an

31:46

eleven game head to head losing streak with

31:49

Denver one nineteen to one. Await the final

31:51

score, but Denver still leads a series three games

31:53

to won. Lebron James score thirty, Anthony

31:55

Davis twenty five points and twenty three rebounds,

31:58

Nikola Jokic thirty three three points, fourteen

32:01

rebounds and fourteen assists, a triple double

32:03

in a losing cause. Earlier Saturday

32:05

night, the Boston Celtics won in Miami, what

32:07

four to eighty four for a two games to

32:10

one lead. In Game three of the Stanley

32:12

Cup Playoffs. On Saturday night, the

32:14

Dallas Stars and Vegas Golden

32:16

Knights were in overtime, tied

32:18

at two. Here is Josh bogorad

32:21

on KTCK Johnston

32:23

delay.

32:24

Shoots his scars, Go Wight

32:26

upstairs.

32:27

One shot.

32:30

Won's the hero The

32:32

Stars win Game three.

32:34

And we've got ourselves this series.

32:37

Vegas still leads the series two games to one. That

32:39

was Johnston's second goal of the game.

32:42

Baseball Saturday night, the Philadelphia Phillies

32:44

won at San Diego five to one. Phillies

32:47

pitcher Rangers Suarez eight

32:49

innings allowed one to one on three hits, eight

32:51

strikeouts, no walks. Rangers

32:54

Suarez is now five to zero with

32:56

a one point three to two ERA. And

32:58

here's your Ranger Suarez trivia.

33:00

I'm not making this up. Ranger

33:03

Suarez has a sister named Ranger

33:06

Lynn. Really Ranger

33:08

Lynn, Big Chuck Norris fans

33:11

what apparently, so

33:13

you got Ranger and Ranger Lynn.

33:15

I think you also buried the lead.

33:17

Isaac lon Kron Harmon's White

33:20

Sox are on a winning streak.

33:21

It's right, yes, of two

33:25

right now.

33:26

My mom's losing it because they're down north

33:28

towards Tampa. But the fact that they're beating

33:30

the Rays. But it's funny you bring it up. The

33:33

defunct NFL teams makes me think of

33:36

when you'd win. You know, they

33:38

have these different awards you get in grade school,

33:41

and a lot of local businesses would

33:43

be part of the action. If you go around

33:45

and try to get donations whatever. But sometimes

33:48

they wouldn't quite recognize that that local business

33:50

had gone out of out of business

33:53

because like, hey, you know what, you had a great

33:55

quarter. Here's twenty dollars to the

33:57

you know, yogurt shop or the frozen

34:00

custard shop, like they closed

34:02

four months they're gone,

34:04

Like can I trade this? Like that's all

34:06

we got.

34:08

You could come over for ice cream in my house. That's

34:11

that's about it. That's all you can do it.

34:13

Yeah, you get.

34:15

Here's here's here's a here's a

34:18

coupon for blue Bunny. What are your grocery

34:20

store?

34:20

And there you had it. He's an hit fire at damn

34:23

Biron Fox, Thanks Zilo at Isaac

34:25

lowenkron Uh he had the call on

34:27

Angel City on Friday night. H

34:29

a tough one in extra time, three to

34:31

one, and we've got Arsenal putting it all over

34:34

Tottenham uh at forty first minute

34:36

because we got we got our international listeners

34:38

on the iHeartRadio app. Of course, Hey, coming

34:40

up next, Fantasy Impact of

34:43

the Draft, which rookies are you gonna

34:45

be targeting early in your twenty twenty

34:47

four selections? We'll do that next here

34:49

on Fox.

34:52

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34:57

Hey, welcome back in Fox Sports Radios.

34:59

Fox Or It's Sunday, Mike Carmen alongside

35:01

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35:04

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35:09

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35:11

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Really, we are honored to be

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able to try to entertain and inform you here

35:31

from our Bully pulpits as

35:33

we celebrate all things draft, the

35:35

NBA playoffs, the NHL playoffs.

35:38

My team not participating, and

35:40

that's fine, and the Bulls were a

35:42

nice early exit. But you know, there is hope, and

35:45

as we know from Shawshank redemption Dan Bayer,

35:48

hope is either the best of things or

35:50

it's the most dangerous of things. And well

35:52

that's what we get coming out of the NFL Draft weekend.

35:55

So from the positive perspective.

35:57

Let's talk fantasy impact of some of these rookies

36:00

and what we're looking at for our draft

36:02

day experience. We did a five round mock draft

36:05

proceeding the draft. I think we had

36:07

a couple of rookies crack that list.

36:09

You can find that wherever great audio

36:13

is found, wherever you get your podcast, go and

36:15

find the iewatch flex podcast. But

36:17

you know one of your guys right off the board, and I

36:20

know you were salty that he stayed in

36:22

the NFC West, but I mean, Marvin Harrison,

36:24

I think the over under on is receiving yards is of thousand.

36:26

Wow.

36:27

That does not surprise me though, because even

36:30

if you were to take the other wide

36:32

receivers that wentz in that top ten

36:34

and Dunza going to the Bears and Elik

36:36

Neighbors obviously going to the Giants, the

36:39

opportunity in Arizona of wide

36:42

open, like it's He's w

36:45

R one right away and Malik

36:48

Neighbors maybe that with the Giants, but I

36:50

would rather have Kyler Murray throwing the football than

36:52

Daniel Jones. And Arizona

36:55

still a team that's making its way up and

36:57

building its way up, So I think he is the

37:01

far away.

37:02

Really the the.

37:04

The guy if you were talking rookie wise,

37:06

to make an impact, especially

37:09

from you know, the first rounders. Heck, even

37:11

brock Bowers is now in a bit of a committee

37:14

you know with the Raiders, you know, just like duns

37:16

would would be with the Bears. You expect

37:18

maybe he's gonna get more favorable

37:21

coverage considering you have DJ Moore

37:23

and Keenan Allen there as well. But yeah,

37:25

Harrison to me, just far and away, and even

37:28

Mike even if just in Arizona,

37:31

like they drafted Trey Bentzon, the running back from

37:33

Florida State in the third round. When

37:35

you look at how the running backs and the running

37:37

back you were none in the first

37:39

round that were drafted or you know, on

37:41

on Thursday, that could be a

37:43

spot. So maybe Arizona is now this place

37:46

where all of a sudden, okay, maybe you can find some fantasy

37:48

value. But Harrison, uh my,

37:51

no brainer for sure. Benson my sleeper

37:54

that you could get something from in twenty twenty

37:56

four.

37:56

Yeah, I did.

37:57

You mentioned in Dona and he's one of those

37:59

interesting spots. It seems like it's

38:01

a feast or famine kind of situation with

38:04

the number of weapons because you added DeAndre

38:06

Swift, you have Everett and Comet

38:09

at tight end, and obviously

38:11

DJ Moore and Keenan Allen a

38:13

lot of mouths to feed. So they're

38:15

gonna be games where it's gonna work. And let's face

38:17

it, nobody's banking on Keenan Allen to play

38:19

seventeen games on that soldier

38:22

field surface, because that's

38:24

something I don't think that's been talked about as much

38:27

as Oh, he goes to Chicago and there's Caleb

38:29

Williams and look as much

38:31

as we and we'll talk about Caleb a bit

38:33

more like you talk about coming into a

38:36

sweet situation, like they built

38:38

a very nice soft landing for

38:41

him, because just the quick comparison

38:43

to the wide receivers that

38:46

Justin Fields came into the Bears organization

38:49

with really as Ben was one of

38:51

the starting wide receivers

38:54

when Justin Fields Okay, like

38:56

again, NFL player gotta

39:00

career, But that's

39:02

not Keenan Allen, that's not Dj

39:04

Moore to bring it in.

39:06

I think it's curious what they did in Carolina.

39:09

You got a couple of guys that should be able to make an impact

39:12

if you believe that they can

39:14

turn things up, and that Canalis can fix

39:16

some things, right, Jonathan Brooks. One of the great

39:19

stories of the draft because after Night one, Jerry

39:21

Jones doing his State of the Union talking

39:24

about how much he loved him and was all excited,

39:26

and then Carolina went and drafted him ahead

39:29

of doubt having the opportunity to

39:31

do so. And look, Miles Sanders

39:33

and Chewba Hubbard, they're

39:35

guys at this point, right, And

39:37

especially with Sanders, I think the recognition

39:40

of you know, how much that offensive

39:42

line in Philly really made him

39:45

look better than he was. Xavier

39:47

Worthy to me is interesting there

39:50

in Kansas City because

39:52

we don't know what's gonna happen with Rashid

39:54

Rice, Travis Kelce older regular

39:57

season. He's almost like the NBA

39:59

conversation. We're having a bit of load management

40:01

where we don't have to kill him because we know we need him for

40:04

the playoffs to step up big and

40:06

worthy being the speeds that he is. And

40:08

obviously Keon Coleman.

40:09

Yeah, almost by default, right, right, I mean.

40:11

That's it, like he becomes de

40:13

facto potential monster

40:16

there for Josh Allen.

40:17

And considering that Buffalo had

40:19

made those trades and we're still

40:21

willing. And then to Coleman where

40:23

they did makes me think that

40:25

there's even more belief in him in being

40:27

able to contribute to that offense

40:29

the way they need.

40:30

He's Dan Byer. So much more to talk about

40:33

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40:35

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40:42

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40:44

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40:46

number one spot and the

40:48

juxtaposition with number eight. We'll do that

40:51

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41:28

We've got the NBA playoffs. We'll see

41:31

who gets blown out today.

41:34

I mean that's really kind of where we're at. It's

41:37

Dan Byer next to me here along

41:40

with you.

41:40

And that one also may hit a little

41:42

closer to home.

41:43

It wasn't I mean, it wasn't staring at you with

41:46

a Bucks logo in my hand at that point.

41:48

Are you suiting up.

41:49

For this one? I may have to,

41:52

right they.

41:54

I'd give them the about what

41:56

they would expect or what they got in Game

41:59

two, which wouldn't be But if you don't,

42:01

it's tough enough without Yiannis. And

42:04

again, it's not like this team didn't have issues heading

42:06

into the playoffs if everybody was healthy.

42:08

Right now, you take Giannis and

42:10

Damian Lillard out and

42:13

like, is there is there even a reason to

42:17

rush Giannis back? The

42:20

answer is no, like absolutely

42:22

not. Probably actually gives you more of a reason

42:24

to just be like, you know what, it's not it's

42:27

not our it's not our deal.

42:29

Yeah, Lillard with the Achilles diagnosed.

42:32

So, although it was really interesting watching Middleton

42:34

take over that game, the bank shot and

42:37

then the fade away, it's like, is he gonna

42:39

hit it? Are we getting another overtime and

42:41

then it falls harmlessly

42:43

off the rim. But hell of an effort from him.

42:45

Yeah, heck of an effort for sure, especially

42:48

considering that, you know, I think a lot

42:50

of people are wondering, like how much is

42:52

actually left in his tank for considering

42:55

the injuries that he's battled over these last couple

42:57

of years, that, by the way, will not be

43:00

better in the future. It will only be getting

43:02

likely beginning worse. So it was nice to

43:05

see him have that moment. But

43:07

there's you know, scenario in that

43:09

Game three on Friday where Indiana

43:12

is just keeping the ball basically for a minute

43:14

because the Bucks couldn't get an offensive rebound,

43:16

and there were just so many reasons

43:19

why I twooted about the officiating

43:21

that may have been in the moment a little little

43:23

eight.

43:24

I'm not say disagreed with you, though there

43:26

were number of really.

43:28

Yeah, we're doing balls.

43:30

Yes, yeah, it was a bit

43:32

frustrating, but yeah, I mean, heck, you look at even

43:35

look at the lines today in what

43:37

we've what we've got, the Bucks

43:39

are almost a ten point dog.

43:42

I mean, and by the way, probably rightly

43:44

so.

43:45

Without Giannis and Damian Lillar

43:47

nine and a half on the road, total to sixteen

43:50

and a half.

43:50

For those paying attention, we've got Clippers,

43:52

Mavericks. The early game, the Nicks

43:55

and seventy six ers. We talked

43:57

a lot about tackling skills the last

43:59

couple of days in the NFL

44:01

Draft. Joel Embiid tried to do his best

44:04

the other night in what can only

44:06

be described as a desperate and a

44:09

dirty play under the rim as

44:12

he went for the to grab

44:14

and wrap the legs of Mitchell Robinson underneath

44:17

the basket. And he's gone through all sorts of crap.

44:19

I mean where he's at right now physically, I

44:21

mean we're talking about Bell's palsy, his

44:24

knee injury. I mean you watch

44:26

him labor up and down. He's basically dragging

44:28

one of his legs. Still doesn't excuse that play

44:31

by in any way, shape or form. But

44:33

for the Knicks, I mean they're relentless.

44:35

I mean they've taken on the Tom Thibodeau persona

44:38

and as of yet, they haven't been run

44:41

into the ground like so many Thibodeaux teams

44:43

of the past.

44:44

I find for as much as we

44:47

complained about what has gone

44:49

on with some of these blowouts here in the first

44:51

round. When we do get to the

44:53

Conference semis, if it plays

44:55

out how I feel that it's

44:57

going to play out Celtics

45:00

and Orlando or Cleveland whoever's

45:02

that's fine. It's probably the least

45:04

intriguing of the four. But you could

45:07

have a Knicks Pacers revival if

45:09

the Knicks survivor.

45:10

Many times do we see Reggie Millers right over?

45:13

But yeah, I mean, like that's that

45:15

one necessarily be bad. And

45:17

then you go to the West and you see,

45:20

all right, if Dallas continues

45:23

to pull this out, now you've got them

45:25

in Oklahoma City, and what

45:28

a great series. And then on the other side,

45:31

the one team that no one talks

45:33

about is Minnesota

45:36

and for matching

45:38

up against Denver no matter whatever Denver's

45:41

series, however long it lasts with

45:43

the Lakers, but that's some

45:46

really good stuff. And

45:48

with some new teams and some new blood.

45:51

Yeah, I mean, Minnesota enters

45:54

tonight a favorite on

45:56

the road against Phoenix, which just does

45:58

it they're a better basketball team, but also

46:01

maybe tells you that maybe Vegas

46:03

doesn't think that there's going to be a spirited effort

46:05

of the Suns to keep their season alive, but I think

46:07

it's more of the you know, the former

46:10

than the latter. But yeah, I think we could

46:12

be setting up for a really good conference

46:14

semi finals. And I hope so, because

46:17

so far it hasn't been that great

46:20

in the NBA playoffs as as we've talked about

46:22

it.

46:22

Well, what's funny, though, Dan, is you know the other side

46:25

conversation. All of this goes

46:27

to, you know what you said in your analysis

46:29

there of these young

46:32

teams and new faces right

46:34

Denver, we've seen them, we know them,

46:36

we love them. Luca's gotten a lot

46:38

of run, but for some of these other squads,

46:41

it's the introduction. So we won't have Kevin

46:44

Durant, we won't have Lebron James,

46:46

Steph Curry's already on the golf course, and

46:49

go on down the line. That changing in the guard and

46:51

people do the lamentation because for whatever

46:54

reason, it seems like the more fractured

46:56

programming has become of I've got to go

46:58

find this and if you have noticed, they're doing

47:01

bet casts for games on

47:03

True TV as part of this, right,

47:05

so you've got your t When I go on my YouTube

47:07

TV subscription and I go to log

47:10

in and view an NBA game, it

47:12

says would you like to watch it here? Or

47:14

would you like to watch it here? Sometimes

47:17

there's a third option if it's available in Spanish,

47:19

but it becomes the you know, here's

47:21

TNT and here's the true

47:24

TV betcam. So you got coachs

47:26

doing the live betting analysis

47:28

and discussions. As will

47:31

continue to see that grow. But folks

47:34

get so caught up in TV ratings

47:36

for everything and comparing and

47:38

contrasting. And again I said

47:40

it in an hour, Wan, I say it here. If you don't like it,

47:42

you're not gonna watch just But if

47:44

you're into the NBA, guess what, You're

47:46

gonna embrace the new teams, the new guys.

47:49

And if you don't like watching Edwards play

47:51

basketball, then you really don't like basketball.

47:54

Yes, so you should go do something else anyway.

47:56

But it's that kind of thing. You stop

47:58

looking at the logos we talk about

48:00

for fantasy for all the years we've been doing the podcast,

48:03

you're gonna find stats, no matter how

48:05

horrid the team may be. Somebody

48:08

on that squad is gonna help you to a fantasy title.

48:10

Yeah, you're right, And this

48:13

is and this is the thing about Minnesota

48:15

is that it isn't just Anthony

48:18

Edwards, and it isn't just Anthony Edwards.

48:20

And you know Carl Anthony

48:22

Towns. You know, Jane McDaniels

48:25

had a you know, big game in Game

48:27

three. Like they have got pieces

48:29

around them. Heck, it's why they honestly,

48:31

it's why they were in contention for the number

48:33

one overall seed up until you know the end

48:36

of the Ratlar season.

48:37

Yeah, and a couple of guys that came

48:39

from other squads.

48:40

Right, naz Reid's great Alexander.

48:42

Walker was a guy who was an afterthought,

48:45

comes to Minnesota. Now he's he's a guy

48:47

averaging fifteen a night in the regular season.

48:49

Right.

48:49

You find these these these

48:51

gems along the way. So we'll

48:54

we'll see how that plays. But yeah, these

48:56

sons trying to avoid elimination. Your

48:58

final game tonight. But as

49:00

we're talking about the NFL Draft, much

49:02

more on it as we go. We got a little bit of golf

49:05

to get to it. And what a couple

49:07

of teams trying to figure out how they're navigating

49:10

going forward. Dan, you know the juxtaposition

49:12

the celebration in Chicago the night before

49:15

or the day before the draft. They have this big pump

49:17

and circumstance and presentation about

49:19

here's the stadium we want to build on

49:21

the lake front. We're only going to need two

49:23

point three billion dollars of

49:26

your public money to

49:28

do it. We'll start with the prayer session. And

49:30

I get it. We're on a Sunday. I'm not

49:33

going against the man and

49:35

his mission and what he does

49:37

in the pulpit, but for this event

49:40

to be praying for wins and for money

49:42

to more or less fall from

49:44

the sky, when you've got representatives

49:47

of different unions

49:49

there that are also in the middle of negotiations

49:52

and battles for public funds,

49:54

you know, teacher salaries and

49:57

things of that nature, just seemed a little

49:59

bit odd.

50:00

Away.

50:00

The next day, Caleb Williams gets drafted.

50:02

All is right with the world and

50:06

the Bears quote didn't screw it up

50:08

the number of times I saw that in my

50:10

social media, wondering if at

50:12

the last minute suddenly they'd decide

50:15

to zag when everything seems

50:18

so right, And certainly the betting odds told

50:20

you that of Caleb Williams. But

50:22

you have that and then at eight got

50:25

a straightforward draft, right. I mean, you

50:28

know, if you were doing a rock draft, which I did. I got

50:30

my SAT points for putting

50:32

Caleb Williams first, and then

50:35

I had the five

50:37

and seven flopped. I had Latham going

50:39

to the Chargers thinking,

50:41

all right, they signed re signed their right

50:43

tackle, but maybe Latham was the fit, and

50:46

all well, they flipped that fine, Tennessee

50:48

takes him, Neighbors goes six. But then the

50:50

Michael Pennock selection. Immediately

50:53

you just it's the record scratch moment. Yes,

50:56

of all right, you spent

50:59

all this money, Kirk Cousins is

51:01

coming in, and you could try

51:03

to sell me on insurance policies

51:05

and all of that stuff. Trying to compare

51:08

one to one what the Packers

51:10

did a few years ago to what the

51:13

Falcons did to me is just

51:15

a false equivalence on so

51:17

many levels. But

51:20

what's also been I think a disappointing

51:22

part of it is it became a further dissection

51:25

of Michael Pennis the player, when

51:27

that shouldn't. It's all about the organizational

51:29

pick rather than the player

51:32

coming in at eight, right, Michael Penix

51:34

was probably gonna go no later than thirteenth,

51:38

or so we thought. And when the pick first first

51:40

got announced, I'm like, who did they draft for

51:42

sure, or you had the other thing of all right, who

51:45

do they draft for because they're getting hit

51:47

with tampering sanctions for the

51:49

Kirk Cousins negotiations. Is this how

51:51

it manifests me?

51:52

Yeah?

51:53

And instead we start dissecting

51:55

it. But what was disheartening was all

51:57

right, now we're gonna go back and pick apart all the things

51:59

on Michael Pennocks. No, we did that in the analysis.

52:01

This is now about the Falcons and the

52:03

organization.

52:05

Well, there's and that unfortunately

52:08

for Michael Pennix, and I guess unfortunately

52:10

for the Falcons who put themselves in that situation.

52:13

It comes with the territory. The

52:16

you know, the fact of the matter is likely

52:19

after one season of Sam Darnold,

52:21

Minnesota's gonna hand the keys over to JJ

52:23

McCarthy and will things

52:25

will move on from there. Kayler Williams

52:28

is going to get the keys of the vehicle on on day

52:30

one, you know, I mean, Jayden

52:32

Daniels, you know, same

52:35

thing if you want, like this is this

52:37

is your show, let's do this. Drake

52:40

May and New England, you know, like those

52:42

those situations are set up for those

52:44

guys too, sooner rather

52:47

than later take over that organization,

52:49

and now Pennix, who might

52:53

it's crazy to think that age can be used against

52:56

you, but because it's happens in the NBA, he's

52:58

a senior who would want you know that gold of God?

53:02

Yes, yes, you like there was

53:04

even a little of that with Michael Pennix

53:06

and it It may not, it may not be

53:08

fair. But when you're trying to make sense

53:11

of of what the Falcons did,

53:13

because the pick just really

53:16

it made no sense at all.

53:18

In any point that you can make, you

53:21

could come up with a counterpoint or

53:23

rebuttal to it. There's there has

53:25

not been one scenario that has been thought

53:28

through that hasn't

53:31

been flagged by someone

53:33

saying, well, yeah, but then what about this? Then

53:35

why did you do this or why were your

53:37

actions that? And I and I get

53:40

Atlanta wanting to sit there and say

53:42

to themselves, you know, we want to shore

53:44

up our quarterback room for the next you

53:46

know, however long even

53:49

if if that was the case, like

53:51

why it just

53:53

it it doesn't make sense because

53:56

Pennix was never thought to

53:58

be a top ten guy,

54:01

and throughout this whole process,

54:04

so in March, when you're the first to take kirk

54:06

Cousins because that deal. Again you mentioned

54:08

the tampering charges. Not only did they

54:10

sign kirk Cousins, they wanted him

54:12

so bad that they were willing to maybe

54:14

break the rules to do so. And then

54:17

you do this. It just it doesn't add

54:19

up at all, whether it's health, whether

54:21

it's Pennix's health. The two years you

54:23

talk about the Packers situation, Yeah,

54:26

nothing like Packers weren't signing Aaron

54:28

Rodgers to free agency the year

54:30

that they you know, in free agency, the year that they drafted

54:32

Jordan Love. None of it makes sense

54:35

and I and I just don't know how,

54:37

especially when you're picking in the top eight and you really

54:39

could have a team that could win the division

54:42

or even challenge for the NFC, as

54:44

crazy as that sounds. That's why

54:46

you brought in kirk Cousins to be an

54:48

NFC contender. You could have added

54:50

a player of that caliber to your roster,

54:52

and you failed to do so, completely

54:55

missed by the Atlanta Falcons.

54:56

Just if things break right to your

54:58

point, they can win the division and suddenly

55:01

be challenging for much bigger stakes

55:03

because that offense is replete with weapons.

55:06

I don't know if you know and this was the best

55:08

joke I think on Draft night. It's like, for the second

55:10

straight year, the Falcons drafted a guy they won't

55:12

use in the first round owing to

55:14

the fact for fantasy owners, you know, well, yeah,

55:17

if you went after b John Robinson, he

55:19

was in a box for much of the

55:21

year.

55:21

Well at number eight overall as well, well there

55:24

you.

55:24

Go, all right, and then number eight you know Kyle

55:26

Pitts's who's that guy? But you've got

55:28

weapons across the board, right, you had

55:30

a couple of wide receivers you've been I love them as ones,

55:33

but they're being brought in to be two, three, four.

55:36

Right. You look at Mooney and was

55:38

it Rondell Moore? Right? Is there

55:41

that you know you've built this

55:43

offense and you still had every defensive

55:45

player you could possibly want sitting

55:48

in that spot.

55:49

Yeah?

55:49

Right, any edge rusher that you wanted

55:52

to bring in to help

55:54

you know what? What's kind of cycled there because you have a

55:56

good offensive line, one of the best in the game

55:58

the last couple of years, you've been able to effectively

56:01

run the ball. And

56:03

in theory, you went in for Kirk Cousins

56:05

and paid him what you did one hundred million

56:07

guarantee and I know it's two years, is ninety million

56:10

of it, And that's been one of the justifications. Again,

56:12

it's ninety million dollars that you spent

56:15

to bring this guy in to win, and

56:17

then immediately it's instead of making

56:20

it better about winning right now, it's

56:22

you know, my mom always had to say it phrase,

56:25

I'm gonna save this for good. Hi Mom, if you're listening,

56:28

I know you guys were a little bit earlier out

56:30

there in Florida. It's the save

56:32

it for good to where you have something, right

56:34

we would buy or a nice top

56:37

or or something for the kitchen or

56:39

whatever. It was as like, I'm gonna save it for good.

56:41

Well, the good doesn't always necessarily come

56:43

in short order, right, So it goes

56:46

to the back of the closet, or it goes

56:48

in, you know, into a cabinet, and it's forgotten

56:50

about. And for Michael Pennix, by

56:53

time he may see the field, it's either year

56:55

three or year four. If the kirk Cousins purchase

56:58

works.

56:59

It also fly in the face of what

57:01

today's NFL is. And

57:03

I'm not saying that the Falcons have to go along

57:05

with group think and do what everybody does. But

57:08

why if you're Atlanta, would you say

57:10

to yourself, all right, we want to tie

57:12

up our next not only

57:15

in their scenario of it working, Mike,

57:18

in their scenario of it working, we

57:20

want to tie up eight of our

57:23

next ten years with an extreme

57:25

quarterback salary of forty

57:28

million dollars plus, because

57:30

that's what you.

57:30

Would be doing.

57:31

If their plan works, meaning

57:34

Cousins is their god for two years, then

57:36

Penix takes over, well, Penix takes

57:38

over in what year three, and then

57:41

after year three he's eligible for

57:43

an extension and to that point

57:45

where maybe you don't have to give it to him, but

57:48

that would be the point. So then if it works

57:50

out to how you planned it, now

57:52

you're having to pay Michael Pennix after just

57:54

one year and give him that sort

57:57

of contract. That doesn't make

57:59

sense. It doesn't make sense at

58:01

all. Green Bay situation was so

58:03

completely different and with

58:05

no guarantee, and again Jordan Love was taking twenty

58:07

sixth overall in the NFL

58:10

draft, talking about a top ten pick.

58:12

Then now you're gonna maybe have to end up paying without

58:15

the information that you would

58:17

gather than all these other teams and teams

58:19

are moving off of their top ten picks in

58:21

two years in the NFL, if you're the a lot of

58:23

falcons, you're gonna have zero information about

58:26

your draft pick in your presumed

58:28

and am using air quotes's best case scenario.

58:30

What's funny is that camera's on, so we got

58:32

the air quotes on us. He's Dan Bayer

58:34

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58:46

a casual, but when some of the headlines

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59:40

part like I was on the infield, you

59:42

know, like you see the pompits, are you.

59:43

Will on Saturday?

59:44

On Saturday?

59:45

Okay?

59:45

Then you have to and where will you be

59:47

going next Saturday? Or I'm

59:50

not going anywhere? So it's just my house okay,

59:53

But I'm gonna dress the part like I'm barted the

59:55

pagetrin. I mean paramutual

59:57

wagering online, you know,

1:00:00

good times. California can't

1:00:02

bet yet, but you can bet the

1:00:04

horse races. I would say

1:00:07

that I appreciate the commitment

1:00:09

because there are other events I

1:00:11

I appreciate

1:00:14

your commitments of the Kentucky Derby.

1:00:16

It's one of those things we grew up. What my

1:00:19

dad's hobby is the one thing kind

1:00:21

of did other than occasional concerts

1:00:23

and home games, but was

1:00:26

horse racing. Sure, and so you learn

1:00:28

the systems you go to play it. We had the tracks

1:00:30

around Chicago. Uh many a late

1:00:32

night burrito after a night at the track.

1:00:35

Uh We had one place I called Burrito's as big

1:00:37

as your head was there tagging, Yes,

1:00:41

really stretched it when my brothers and I came

1:00:43

to town. Let me tell you, a

1:00:46

dome moniker has its origins,

1:00:48

no question about it.

1:00:49

Gosh, I'm trying to think of what

1:00:52

was what was the place called? Well,

1:00:55

we had l Farole, That's what it

1:00:57

was, all right, Okay? Yeah,

1:00:59

and then then other places have used that as well.

1:01:01

Yeah, but yeah, plenty plenty

1:01:03

of joints.

1:01:04

And Matt Money Smith, he's got

1:01:06

his history in the Chicago

1:01:09

Indiana's Eyes and such. You'll mention it

1:01:11

here locally on five seventy five

1:01:16

seventy LA Sports here he and Petros

1:01:18

he's voice of the Chargers as

1:01:20

well. But he'll mention it in passing. Once

1:01:22

in a while, I will communicate about our

1:01:25

favorite haunts, kind of like I was doing with Chris

1:01:27

Purfett talking about different recommendations

1:01:29

he had for people if they were going to Detroit

1:01:31

for the draft of places to check out.

1:01:34

Now, if you were going to say a live

1:01:36

golf tournament, Dan, and

1:01:39

I know you're not the biggest of the live

1:01:42

golf supporters in this world. Adelaide

1:01:45

would be a pretty good place to go hang out.

1:01:46

Yeah, yeah, apparently so. And Mike

1:01:49

is right.

1:01:49

I loathe live golf.

1:01:52

I can't stand it. I've just

1:01:56

I don't even understand fully.

1:01:59

I mean, I do, but I don't. It's

1:02:01

one of those things like I get it. I

1:02:04

hear the rhetoric, I know the dollar signs

1:02:06

that get with it, but I

1:02:08

just I don't like what it's done with the PGA

1:02:10

Tour. And it's not that the PGA Tour

1:02:13

was innocent in their

1:02:15

dealings and maybe how they distributed

1:02:17

money, and but it's just the fact

1:02:19

of is I think that it's really hurt

1:02:22

the tour. What it's done is it's hurt

1:02:24

the communities that supported the PGA

1:02:26

Tour for so long,

1:02:29

and there's going to be a lasting effect because

1:02:31

you're catering to these top players.

1:02:33

And I just felt I know

1:02:36

that golf is driven by the top players,

1:02:38

but it wasn't always

1:02:41

like that, and now it feels like it's

1:02:43

that way. And so you take a bunch

1:02:45

of these great players, you move them to live golf, and now

1:02:47

I feel that you have two golf products that really aren't

1:02:49

drawing the interest. But I will

1:02:52

say that the success

1:02:54

for the second straight year that

1:02:56

Live Golf has had in Australia

1:02:59

at this event at Adelaide

1:03:03

is tells us a lot about something.

1:03:05

And what it tells us is that while

1:03:08

the PGA Tour may have had issues

1:03:11

and maybe some of the events

1:03:14

weren't as marquee as other ones, I always felt

1:03:16

that that was okay because I always

1:03:19

use the Quad Cities and the John Deere Classic

1:03:21

as an example of it wasn't

1:03:23

one of those tournaments

1:03:25

that Tiger Woods is teeing up every

1:03:27

single week and got moved around on the schedule.

1:03:30

But I think it meant a lot to the Quad Cities, you

1:03:33

know, to have that, to have that road

1:03:35

show come to your town. And

1:03:38

now with the amount of money

1:03:40

that was needed with certain purses,

1:03:42

sponsorships are harder to come by, you're

1:03:44

trying to find that cash. How much do the little

1:03:46

guys end up getting run out of town was

1:03:48

always an issue. What I think why

1:03:51

I think this is important here is

1:03:53

to see the success that Live Golf

1:03:56

had in Australia is

1:03:58

that maybe everyone was narrow

1:04:01

minded because there is

1:04:03

a thirst of golf. Australia loves

1:04:05

golf, an absolute thirst of it. They

1:04:07

would draw so well when when the pros

1:04:09

would come over in November and

1:04:12

December for the tournaments that they

1:04:14

had. It truly, truly

1:04:16

is a golf rich country

1:04:19

and you saw that. Plus with the backing

1:04:21

of Greg Norman, you know, country's

1:04:23

hero. I think that helps a little bit, but

1:04:25

I still think that they would be crazy

1:04:28

about golf and it just tells you

1:04:30

of maybe on how that's where

1:04:32

golf needed to be. Because the PGA

1:04:34

Championship about I don't

1:04:36

know, ten years ago or so, I was looking at

1:04:38

different ways to spice their

1:04:41

championship up because they

1:04:44

were lost between amongst the Masters

1:04:46

and the Open Championship. In the US Open, they

1:04:48

were just the fourth major of the end of the year. There

1:04:50

wasn't a lot of build up to it. Well, now they

1:04:53

get a new date, which really helps them. But at the

1:04:55

times they were looking to change, there was even talk about

1:04:57

why not maybe take that a broad

1:05:00

take it to Australia to see what it would you know,

1:05:02

And then I don't know how far those

1:05:04

discussions actually got, but it was actually

1:05:06

brought up. The point in all

1:05:08

of this is I

1:05:10

don't think live golf works in the United States.

1:05:13

I just I don't. I don't

1:05:15

think it's as great of a draw as the

1:05:17

PGA Tour is. But

1:05:20

you found it in Australia. You found

1:05:22

it in the spots, and maybe that's the place

1:05:24

for it. I don't agree with how you know, how

1:05:28

they do business, but one

1:05:30

of the things that they've really been lacking is attention

1:05:33

and gist of it

1:05:35

being an electric event. And for the

1:05:37

second straight year they've put on a

1:05:39

great event in Australia. Maybe

1:05:41

that's the lesson of trying to find these

1:05:43

spots around the globe that you can

1:05:46

really make a benefit and tap into.

1:05:48

Well, also a proof of concept. If

1:05:50

the PGA did decide it's like, well,

1:05:52

clearly this works, sure right.

1:05:55

We may not have Greg Norman to put out

1:05:57

at the Rubber Chicken dinners, but

1:06:00

we've got a product. And obviously there

1:06:02

is, as you say, the thirst sport. So

1:06:05

you say, okay, that's a spot we can

1:06:07

go back in, you know, with live golf here

1:06:09

in the States, and I would compare

1:06:11

it, I think to some of the upstart

1:06:13

football things that we do here. You're

1:06:16

not going to top the NFL, No,

1:06:18

but there's an audience, right because there's still

1:06:20

you have your favorite golfers that maybe

1:06:22

you followed for years. May not like the business

1:06:25

of live golf, but you might want to see

1:06:27

that guy go and follow him for the eighteen

1:06:30

holes or fifty.

1:06:34

Days.

1:06:34

So we get to go for three days. But you

1:06:37

get what I what I'm saying there. They

1:06:39

also you know our rowdy there in Adelaide because

1:06:41

we one of the headlines that broke through

1:06:44

literally was the guy getting hit in the head with a water

1:06:46

bottle as if they were at the Phoenix Open.

1:06:49

Yeah, and that's exactly what they They're a watering

1:06:51

hole.

1:06:51

One of their part threes is they set up and it

1:06:54

actually looks it looked like a

1:06:56

really neat, intimate venue

1:06:58

where you have fans all around. You Canadian

1:07:01

opens done it as well, a little bit with a

1:07:03

tea box on one of their holes, but on

1:07:06

the on the PGA tour, but this is Yeah,

1:07:08

it was unique and there's there's

1:07:10

a thirst for it and

1:07:12

and so you tap into that. Do

1:07:15

I think that they were all about it because

1:07:18

it was Greg Norman and camp Smith

1:07:20

was home, Like I just I feel that's a very small

1:07:23

part of it. I feel that

1:07:25

they just they love golf in that country,

1:07:27

So go to the places that love golfer

1:07:30

where it's not maybe oversaturated

1:07:32

or and and maybe that's what the PGA

1:07:34

Tour should have should have done. The Zeri

1:07:36

Classic is this weekend. One of the things the

1:07:39

tour has done is they made that a team

1:07:41

competition where you have PGA

1:07:44

Tour players teaming up, and it

1:07:46

was a way to try to spice things

1:07:49

up, a way to get other players to

1:07:51

commit to that event that maybe normally wouldn't

1:07:53

have. You had to think outside the box.

1:07:56

And I think.

1:07:56

That that's what this weekend

1:07:59

ended up proving. Where you

1:08:01

just can't, you know, dropping a tournament in Miami

1:08:03

and playing it at Trump durrell As.

1:08:06

You know, it is what it is.

1:08:07

It's it's it's it's not gonna it's not gonna move

1:08:09

that that needle in golf. And it's

1:08:12

almost kind of looked like a bit that maybe even

1:08:14

of a lost opportunity that maybe these other entities

1:08:16

didn't look and figure out, how can we do this, How can we

1:08:19

how can we go overseas, how can we do it

1:08:21

within our calendar instead of doing it,

1:08:23

you know, for us in the middle of football season in November

1:08:25

and December. What's a way that it would have worked

1:08:27

and they never figured that out.

1:08:29

Well, but that's thing that that's one of the I

1:08:31

mean, I guess one of the criticisms and one

1:08:33

of the how a live

1:08:36

golf can start toes date

1:08:38

now the money and everything else, again we owe

1:08:40

to the business of it. Is that for the

1:08:42

PGA, if it ain't

1:08:44

broke, don't fix it. Seems to have been the motto,

1:08:47

yeah for the organization and still does

1:08:49

to a large degree. As much as you

1:08:51

celebrate certain events, like there's

1:08:54

not that forward thinking of growth expansion,

1:08:57

it's.

1:08:57

Because there was no competition, right, there was never

1:09:00

and there was nobody else to challenge it. And

1:09:02

I even think back then you would say, like, well, why would

1:09:04

you why would you try to do something outside

1:09:06

of the country in the middle of your tour season,

1:09:09

in the middle of the major season,

1:09:12

And like do I do I think that Brooks

1:09:14

Koepka loves going to Australia,

1:09:17

you know, in between the Masters in PGA Championship.

1:09:20

Probably not probably wouldn't have done

1:09:22

that, But if you were to figure out a way to

1:09:25

make it a unique tournament or a special tournament

1:09:27

or make it. You know you're like then

1:09:30

that then that maybe could have

1:09:32

worked at that time and allowed you. It wouldn't It wouldn't

1:09:34

have prevented live golf by by

1:09:36

any means. But it

1:09:38

just it just shows on how

1:09:40

untapped of a resource. Uh, you

1:09:43

know Australia has been in professional golf

1:09:45

and how they've turned out for it.

1:09:46

And it's not a.

1:09:49

Secret by any means. Everybody knew it.

1:09:51

Everybody knew that golf would work down

1:09:53

there. It's just that live is just finally taking

1:09:55

advantage of it.

1:09:56

Well, putting money up

1:09:59

to try to do something seems to

1:10:01

be the mantra of the league is it

1:10:03

stands all right, we'll

1:10:06

figure out the actual concept and

1:10:08

proof thereof later, but let's throw

1:10:10

some money, get some participants, get

1:10:12

the sites. The if you build

1:10:15

it, they will come kind of model seems

1:10:17

to be.

1:10:17

The Yeah, data fact the team competition is still

1:10:19

really stupid, but I that's

1:10:21

that's beside the point.

1:10:23

Movies damp Fire at dam Bire on Fox,

1:10:25

Find Me over at Swollen Dome coming

1:10:27

out next Yeah, Well we'll have a little bit

1:10:29

of family time, but first we got to talk to Isaac

1:10:31

Lowancron get an update of what is

1:10:34

going on in our sporting universe. Not a beautiful Sunday

1:10:36

morning. What's up?

1:10:36

I love well that includes some fresh NFL

1:10:39

news This morning, The Buffalo Bills have signed

1:10:41

former Detroit Lions receiver quintessiphis

1:10:44

best known for being suspended

1:10:46

for all of last season for violating

1:10:49

the NFL's gambling policy. Hey,

1:10:52

Buffalo need a translator, asked

1:10:54

Hepe Mizuhara anyway. In the NBA

1:10:57

playoffs on Saturday night, in Game

1:10:59

four in LA, the Lakers defeated

1:11:01

Denver one nineteen to one O eight, so the

1:11:04

Lakers stay alive. Denver still leads the series

1:11:06

three games to one. Lebron James

1:11:08

scored thirty Anthony Davis twenty five

1:11:10

points and twenty three rebounds, Nikola

1:11:13

Jokic a thirty three point, fourteen

1:11:15

rebound, fourteen assists triple double

1:11:17

in a losing cause for Denver. Earlier

1:11:20

Saturday night, the Boston Celtics won at Miami

1:11:22

What four to eighty four for a two

1:11:24

games to one lead in the Stanley

1:11:26

Cup Playoffs. On Saturday night, the Dallas

1:11:29

Stars in overtime what at Vegas

1:11:31

three to two Vegas still leads

1:11:33

the series two games to one. The game

1:11:36

winning goal was scored by twenty year old

1:11:38

Wyatt Johnston sixteen

1:11:40

minutes and twenty three seconds into overtime.

1:11:42

It was his second goal of the game.

1:11:45

Unfortunately, because he's twenty, he could

1:11:47

not celebrate afterwards in all

1:11:49

the Vegas casinos. In Major League Baseball,

1:11:51

on Saturday night, the Philadelphia Phillies won

1:11:53

at San Diego five to one. The Phillies

1:11:55

have won ten of twelve. The Minnesota

1:11:58

Twins beat the Angels in Anaheim sixteen

1:12:00

to five. The Twins on a sixteen winning streak

1:12:02

for the first time since May.

1:12:04

Of twenty twenty two. And with that it is

1:12:06

all yours, fellows. Apreciate you, Isaac

1:12:08

and Isaac. Loewen kron is where

1:12:10

you find Isaac. The Bears are on

1:12:12

the clock five point fifty five left

1:12:15

for the first pick of the NFL Draft, because you know,

1:12:17

I had to watch it again to celebrate

1:12:20

the pomp and circumstance of

1:12:22

the pick, because you know they did tell Ryan Poles

1:12:24

we got to have some highdrama

1:12:27

and wouldn't let him submit the pick.

1:12:29

You also have to fill that TV window, that's

1:12:31

right, right, yes.

1:12:32

There's all the b roll that we have on Caleb

1:12:34

Williams, all the futility of the Bears quarterbacks

1:12:37

that we need to talk about a little bit more before

1:12:40

the commissioner gets to come out and get

1:12:42

his obligatory booze.

1:12:44

What a joke.

1:12:44

We talked about it how a

1:12:47

week ago on why they hadn't done it, And there's

1:12:50

why the Bears just didn't take Caleb Williams

1:12:52

because Ryan Pole's even said on the phone call, We've

1:12:54

known for the last month, Caleb Williams

1:12:56

said, you've known for the last five months.

1:12:58

Yeah, you know forever, right,

1:13:00

And as soon as Justin Fields shuffled

1:13:03

off to Pittsburgh, there was no

1:13:05

longer any question of any of that, although

1:13:07

I did like all the rumors of Justin Herbert

1:13:10

potentially getting done to different spots. But

1:13:12

we could do that with the Chargers at

1:13:14

the top of the hour. But coming up next, Hey what

1:13:16

NFL coaches, no more than some of their

1:13:18

peers, ponder that for a moment. We'll

1:13:21

discuss it next here on Fox Sports Radio.

1:13:24

Hey, welcome back in It's Fox Sports

1:13:26

Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. I'm

1:13:29

Mike Carmen, He's Dan Bayer and

1:13:31

right now, I'm just gonna hand the giant stick

1:13:33

microphone over to Dan. He's

1:13:35

wearing a nice shiny suit coat, so

1:13:37

I will be the rod Roddy for him here. Dan,

1:13:41

time to shy. All right.

1:13:43

The Fox family is together and it's time to

1:13:46

play the feud. Mike Carmen

1:13:48

is here. Chris purfet Ian

1:13:50

Roddy and Isaac Lohin Crown make up the Fox

1:13:53

family. Top eight answers

1:13:55

on the board. Three strikes and the family

1:13:57

is out. Good news. Pass is

1:13:59

in a today, So if you want to use

1:14:01

the pass, it can only be used once by

1:14:04

the team and I'll reveal

1:14:06

an answer and we'll move

1:14:08

along in the game. But once it's used, it

1:14:10

is done. It also brings

1:14:12

up the point that I can withdraw the pass at any

1:14:15

point that I feel necessary.

1:14:17

I don't think i'll do so today until

1:14:20

there's maybe one answer left on the board.

1:14:22

Ah, you're right, you're ready.

1:14:23

Top eight answers on the board

1:14:27

Current NFL head coaches

1:14:30

that have played at least one

1:14:32

snap in an NFL regular

1:14:34

season game. Top

1:14:37

eight answers on the board NFL

1:14:40

at coaches that have played at

1:14:42

least one snap in an NFL

1:14:45

regular season game, Mike Carmen, we start with

1:14:47

you.

1:14:47

Well, I'm just gonna steal the obvious one

1:14:49

that we talk about all the time, and Profet's gonna hate

1:14:51

me. I'll take Dan Campbell.

1:14:52

Okay, Dan Campbell, show me Dan Campbell,

1:14:56

you know, a great career as a tight end

1:14:58

in Detroit with the Giants Cowboys

1:15:00

as well. Dan Campbell is

1:15:02

off the board. Over to

1:15:05

the aforementioned Chris Perfet.

1:15:08

Okay, I'm

1:15:11

man. If Frank Reich was still

1:15:13

coaching, I'd still be able to i'd have an answer

1:15:15

ready to go, but he's

1:15:18

not. I'm trying to think.

1:15:20

So we've got seven on the board. Still, Yes,

1:15:24

I hate to do this this early. I'm blanking.

1:15:26

Uh dude,

1:15:30

I'm trying to think. Yeah, I'm trying.

1:15:33

I'm just gonna I'm gonna have to pass right now. He's gonna

1:15:35

take the past. But,

1:15:37

like my brain is, fit has already

1:15:40

been used.

1:15:41

Jim, Sorry, Chris, Jim Harball obviously

1:15:44

took snaps in the NFL.

1:15:47

So what's that I

1:15:49

take back the pass.

1:15:50

I just had one finally pop into my no because

1:15:52

I just said Jim Harball played, So that.

1:15:54

Is that is the past. The pass is gone. All

1:15:57

right. Over to Ian Roddy.

1:16:00

Jim Harma is going to be my answer, but no,

1:16:03

that's all right, I have others.

1:16:04

I'm gonna go Tomiko Ryans.

1:16:05

Demiko Rans great career with

1:16:07

the Houston Texans, the team that he now coaches.

1:16:10

Show me Demiko Ryans, all

1:16:12

right, there he is on the board. Over to Isaac

1:16:14

Lohincron.

1:16:16

I'm gonna go with Brett

1:16:18

Farve's one time backup. Doug

1:16:21

Peterson. A right in

1:16:23

Jacksonville. You're right, Doug Peterson

1:16:26

playing for Green Bay. Also spend some time

1:16:28

with Philadelphia. Show me Doug Peterson.

1:16:30

There he is.

1:16:31

Doug Peterson off the board. Back

1:16:34

around to Mike Harmon. No strikes so far.

1:16:37

Current NFL head coaches that played a snap

1:16:39

at least one snap in an NFL regular

1:16:41

season game. We've had Dan Campbell,

1:16:43

Demiko Ryans, Doug Peterson, and Jim

1:16:46

Harbaugh are off the board. Looking for four

1:16:48

more.

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the air. Now back to our round

1:17:11

two.

1:17:11

Antonio Pierce, Ah,

1:17:14

that may be an easy one. Show me Antonio Pierce.

1:17:17

He's the head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders,

1:17:20

longtime linebacker for the New York

1:17:22

Giants. Antonio Pearce's off the board.

1:17:25

Back over to Chris Purfett.

1:17:26

All right, I'm back in the game. Now, I've got my head back

1:17:28

on straight. I'm

1:17:31

gonna go with Kevin O'Connell Minnesota Vikings.

1:17:33

Kevin O'Connell Minnesota Vikings.

1:17:35

You know he was a quarterback. Show me Kevin

1:17:37

O'Connell.

1:17:39

There it is.

1:17:40

However, I think he's taking like four

1:17:42

snaps like that's about it. Like that's that's all

1:17:44

that we've got. Colect check,

1:17:48

but it works all right. Over to Ion

1:17:50

Roddy uh g Mayo

1:17:53

as

1:17:56

hands show

1:17:58

me girod Mayo.

1:18:00

All right, there it is seven for seven.

1:18:03

It's not a perfect game because of the pass that's

1:18:05

like a walk, but still kind of a no hitter

1:18:08

going. Isaac Longkron, can you find

1:18:10

out the eighth and final head coach that

1:18:12

played a regular season

1:18:15

snap at least one regular season snap

1:18:17

in the NFL, and.

1:18:18

If only you had held the mail anyway,

1:18:21

let I would have expected at least

1:18:23

a mercy chuckle. After that, I'm

1:18:28

gonna go with a guy who

1:18:30

I think actually played in a Super

1:18:33

Bowl, Todd Bowles.

1:18:36

All right, let's find out is

1:18:38

the no hitter intact? Show

1:18:41

me Todd Bowles?

1:18:42

There?

1:18:44

Wow?

1:18:45

Eight for eight.

1:18:46

Yeah, I would have not gotten that one.

1:18:48

I mean, we.

1:18:49

Joked super bowls when he was a coach

1:18:52

of the Jets because of my partner Jason

1:18:54

Smith during the week, but yeah, I wouldn't

1:18:56

never remember.

1:18:57

I gosh, this is actually I wonder when

1:18:59

you guys, if you guys cheated, this is the this

1:19:01

is the time. This was I thought you'd

1:19:03

get one strike. I thought you would get one strike

1:19:06

today.

1:19:07

My next guest would have been Raheem

1:19:09

Morris, which I guess now we know is wrong.

1:19:12

Was Mike McDaniel. I was out there

1:19:14

for like Andy, I

1:19:17

I thought I had passing punt.

1:19:19

That that was I just my

1:19:22

brain just fried out, and like two seconds

1:19:24

after I said pass, I'm like, oh right, yeah, Demigo

1:19:26

Ryans, there.

1:19:27

Are there are guys who spent training camps

1:19:29

with teams. Zach Taylor a

1:19:31

guy but

1:19:34

never never ended up officially

1:19:37

taking playing

1:19:39

a snap or taking a snap in an NFL

1:19:41

game.

1:19:42

And when when I looked back and was double

1:19:44

checking.

1:19:45

I just wanted to I wanted to make sure, and I'm

1:19:47

like, all right, Sala never played.

1:19:50

But you mentioned Frank Reich.

1:19:51

You know, He's always in my brain as like

1:19:54

four quarterback ys.

1:19:55

Lost Rabel, you know, Rabel would

1:19:57

have been an obvious answer. So there

1:19:59

were other guys. Uh,

1:20:02

Cliff Kingsbury spending time in the NFL

1:20:04

was a name that that popped up as well. I'm not sure

1:20:07

what Cliff's sexual stats were in the NFL.

1:20:09

But so you had you had a transition of

1:20:11

players in and out, but those

1:20:13

were the eight that actually took a snap. You had

1:20:15

teams again, guys that played on you know,

1:20:17

preseason games and stuff like that, but they weren't

1:20:19

included in this.

1:20:20

Yeah, but O'Connell and Kingsbury, guys who once

1:20:22

got to watch Tom Brady work.

1:20:24

Yeah, you're right about that.

1:20:26

Maybe that's the next few. Yeah,

1:20:28

who are former coaches that are

1:20:30

affiliated some way because they

1:20:32

were drafted as quote the

1:20:34

next Tom Brady, He's Dad, I'm

1:20:36

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1:20:39

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1:21:36

had an edition of the Feud where

1:21:38

some confusion rained a little bit, and

1:21:41

you start thinking about the histories of coaches,

1:21:44

and now we're thinking about well coaches

1:21:46

and how they felt about what their gms

1:21:49

did coming out of NFL Draft

1:21:51

weekend.

1:21:51

You know, it's funny, we just did the

1:21:54

with the feud and we had some drama.

1:21:56

I am curious Chris Purfett who

1:21:58

popped.

1:21:59

Into your mind?

1:22:00

And when you utilize the pass

1:22:02

and then wanted to take it back,

1:22:07

that's what that That's who it was. So we would

1:22:09

have we would have stayed on track. I

1:22:11

find the coaching aspect

1:22:14

of the draft very interesting

1:22:17

because if Raheem Morris wasn't

1:22:19

the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, are

1:22:22

they willing to do what they did with

1:22:24

this Michael Pennix, meaning first

1:22:26

year head coach, you got some leeway.

1:22:28

I look at what's happening in Minnesota

1:22:31

is one that will dive into.

1:22:34

Is very interesting, an interesting

1:22:36

scenario considering where the

1:22:38

Vikings are in the division, where they

1:22:40

are in the NFC, what they did in the draft,

1:22:43

what the future could hold, and

1:22:45

then you've got a whole

1:22:47

different scenario in other places where coaches

1:22:50

are firmly entrenched. We think

1:22:52

so much of the GM when

1:22:54

it comes to these these moves,

1:22:56

Mike. But yeah, these coaches have a

1:22:58

lot of say, and especially if

1:23:01

your jobs on the line. Like I thought about Matt

1:23:03

Eberflus when he hopped on the call with

1:23:05

Caleb Williams being like, all right, now

1:23:07

this works, Eberflue's going to be around for a while.

1:23:09

But if it doesn't, if it goes off track, then

1:23:12

there's going to be somebody else talking

1:23:15

to draft picks in twenty twenty five.

1:23:17

And that's a curiosity, right. We know what

1:23:19

the Bears, and we talked about it a lot going

1:23:22

into the twenty twenty three season

1:23:24

and what it became with Iberflus.

1:23:27

I never believed he was going to be fired because

1:23:29

well, the Bears don't pay out money to guys

1:23:31

that are gone. They ride it out

1:23:33

for another year. And you

1:23:36

saw once Montees Sweat showed up

1:23:38

in Chicago, and you know, we're

1:23:40

still looking for Alan Williams. Which

1:23:42

is funny when when folks were putting

1:23:44

up their pictures of a number

1:23:47

thirteen jersey and putting

1:23:49

the nameplate of is it Alan or is it

1:23:51

Williams, which when you know kind of thing and I'm like,

1:23:53

ha, hop, that's funny Alan Williams still

1:23:55

haven't found him. Former Bears defensive

1:23:57

coordinator who resigned

1:24:00

citing lots of things, but there were a lot of allegations.

1:24:03

You go read about it in the interwebs. It's an

1:24:05

unsolved mister spring back.

1:24:06

Robert stack harmon

1:24:09

so much it's hilarious.

1:24:11

Not often do you have a guy fired

1:24:14

or dismissed or resign that

1:24:16

you never find out is whereabouts again,

1:24:18

Dan?

1:24:19

Right?

1:24:19

We always have Hey, he pops up here?

1:24:21

Or this is why the team will issue

1:24:23

a statement to kind

1:24:25

of say, hey, done deal, other than he's

1:24:28

no longer with the team.

1:24:30

Right.

1:24:30

This is the equivalent of the HR

1:24:33

scenario. Like, we had a couple of people way

1:24:35

back in the day fired for cause

1:24:37

when I worked at Yahoo. Well, when they

1:24:39

went down the road to another internet company. The

1:24:42

only thing that HR could legally do is

1:24:44

confirm that they actually work there. Sure you

1:24:46

can't say, hey, here's why

1:24:48

they got bounced out of here, Like,

1:24:51

I'm not looking for a lot of details about Alan

1:24:53

Williams, but could you

1:24:55

at least give us a little bit of something

1:24:58

as to why he disappeared in the the middle

1:25:00

of the year. Either way, iberflues took over the defense

1:25:02

and it was one of the top rated units. Down

1:25:05

the stretch, you saw the offense play better,

1:25:07

which opened the conversations

1:25:09

about justin fields, will they won't they? Whatever?

1:25:11

It doesn't matter. Caleb Williams shows up there, but

1:25:13

a guy who clearly you've got

1:25:15

a front office that has asserted

1:25:19

themselves quite well and with great

1:25:21

power, like Iberflus. Is there your

1:25:23

point about Raheem Morris If that's Bill

1:25:25

Belichick, it's a fight, right. If

1:25:28

they'd hired Bill Belichick, as had

1:25:30

been rumored a lot, how

1:25:32

much control he really would

1:25:34

have had in this iteration, We don't know, but

1:25:37

I gear and dan Teya Michael Panix

1:25:39

ain't the pick if they just spent one hundred

1:25:41

and eighty million dollars on Kirk Cousins. Yeah.

1:25:43

I also think like Raheem Morris signs off

1:25:45

on it because he hasn't

1:25:48

coached a game yet, right, So they're not gonna

1:25:51

in all likelihood. We've seen NFL

1:25:53

head coaches move on after one year, some

1:25:55

even less well sure and certain

1:25:58

circumstances. I don't think that

1:26:00

that's the case in Atlanta. I think that there's

1:26:02

there's time to grow,

1:26:05

and so there isn't the urgency

1:26:08

for Raheem Morris to balk

1:26:12

at the pick, like seeing

1:26:14

Kevin O'Connell perk up when

1:26:16

the team's trading up to get Dallas Turner

1:26:19

and that meme. Yeah,

1:26:22

it gets you excited, but it also tells you,

1:26:24

all right, you got it. You know something's gonna

1:26:26

have to happen now this

1:26:29

year, you don't want to miss the playoffs and back to back years.

1:26:31

Your division's getting a lot better, like

1:26:34

you need to step it up in it.

1:26:35

It was also the look of a coach.

1:26:37

That you know may maybe

1:26:40

teetering on hot seat or not hot

1:26:42

seat.

1:26:42

Well, sure you'd move on in the quarterback

1:26:45

slot, whether it be Donald

1:26:47

or now JJ McCarthy comes in and

1:26:49

we'll see how that plays.

1:26:52

Right.

1:26:52

A lot of discussion of well,

1:26:54

it doesn't need to play right away, so yeah, generally

1:26:56

they do like I'd love the

1:26:58

long long ball approach if

1:27:01

you can do it, and that's the only

1:27:03

like really way down the list

1:27:05

idea for Atlanta, like if you

1:27:07

can grow a guy, but not at the eighth pick overall,

1:27:10

right, you're drafting in the top ten, top

1:27:13

fifteen, the expectation is you're

1:27:15

getting that guy ready to play and right

1:27:17

quickly from Minnesota. To your point

1:27:19

about the NFC North, Yeah, there's no

1:27:21

shrinking Violet anymore, like there's no all

1:27:24

right, they're obviously going to be last. Detroit's

1:27:26

not going away. Can they repeat

1:27:29

what they did and have the same level of success?

1:27:32

Schedule changes, personnel changes,

1:27:35

and look, we why

1:27:38

we celebrate the Patriots so much was the continuity.

1:27:41

We don't see that with great regularity Packers.

1:27:44

We think we've had Jordan Love find

1:27:47

his way after some rough footing

1:27:49

early, a run game that was non

1:27:51

existent for the first half of the season. Suddenly

1:27:54

Aaron Jones went away for two weeks and

1:27:57

he's just like shot out of a cannon down the stretch

1:27:59

rightletely different offense

1:28:02

as he returned. The Bears talk

1:28:05

about it like all the weapons

1:28:07

they added. You look at the defensive

1:28:09

side that got better last year. So

1:28:12

all of a sudden in division from Minnesota,

1:28:15

you had Kirk Cousins and the

1:28:17

wide receiving room between Hawkinson,

1:28:19

Addison and Jefferson

1:28:23

one of the best trios that we've got, no question

1:28:25

about it. You bring in Aaron Jones to

1:28:27

the backfield, now keep them in division. You've

1:28:30

got a roster that you should be able to win with

1:28:32

and for Kevin O'Connell, you know,

1:28:35

adding that other defensive piece. Yeah,

1:28:37

absolutely, it would seem

1:28:39

that you're you've got a GM

1:28:42

who's got a firm grasp of what he's trying

1:28:44

to do. Here. It's like, all right, I got you the

1:28:46

guys, you got to go win. But

1:28:48

there's there's no easy wins in

1:28:50

division.

1:28:51

I have so many questions about Minnesota,

1:28:53

and I would be willing to

1:28:56

make an argument that I think that the NFC North

1:28:59

is on the verge of being the best

1:29:01

division in football. I think the AFC

1:29:03

North has held that flag,

1:29:06

you know, with just you

1:29:09

know, just you know, especially with the emergence

1:29:11

of Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. You

1:29:14

think Cleveland's a playoff team and now you wonder,

1:29:16

if you know, are things going to change

1:29:18

if Deshaun Watson's healthy. The whole season was

1:29:21

this just a Joe Flacco magic run? But

1:29:23

I think you can incorporate all of that.

1:29:25

I don't know all good Pittsburgh's going

1:29:27

to be, but heckedon made it to the postseason

1:29:30

last year, so they held that mantle.

1:29:32

But going forward, everything that you named

1:29:34

with Minnesota should make them a.

1:29:36

Better football team.

1:29:37

Yet I look back at their draft, and which

1:29:40

is why I like the NFC North being that

1:29:42

division, because I think there

1:29:44

the Bears are going to be there, whether Caleb Williams

1:29:47

is a wonder kid or not. That defense

1:29:49

is going to carry a lot of the of

1:29:51

the water as well. So I think

1:29:53

the Bears are better. And green Bay and Detroit's

1:29:55

Super Bowl contender, and green Bay went tote

1:29:58

toe with San Francisco and the division playoff

1:30:00

there right there, I think there's a legitimate argument

1:30:02

that can be made that the NFC North is the best

1:30:04

division in football, which makes me scratch my head

1:30:07

even more on maybe why Minnesota

1:30:09

did what they did in their.

1:30:10

In the draft.

1:30:12

They have four draft

1:30:14

picks next season, I believe,

1:30:19

Yeah, I.

1:30:19

Got it in front of me.

1:30:20

You have your first round pick, you've doubt,

1:30:22

your second is gone, your third

1:30:25

is gone, your fourth is gone, You've got

1:30:27

a fifth, and you have another fifth,

1:30:29

and then you've got a seventh rounder. So

1:30:32

you have four picks in the NFL draft

1:30:34

next year. Because you've put all

1:30:36

of your apples and everything in this draft.

1:30:39

I don't think that you needed to address

1:30:42

the quarterback position, but I would have almost rather

1:30:44

have swaited to see what

1:30:46

Sam Dnold was doing instead of maybe

1:30:49

doing what they did, and then you trade it up to

1:30:51

get Dallas Turner because all the

1:30:53

defensive players fell. I just I didn't think Minnesota

1:30:56

was a player away mic and the player that

1:30:58

they were probably away, you

1:31:00

know, away from last year was Kirk

1:31:03

Cousins, but then he wasn't there for the second half

1:31:05

of the season.

1:31:06

And I'm not even sure how good.

1:31:07

That they are, you know, they are without him,

1:31:10

and how good they would even be with him

1:31:13

in terms of the rest of the division

1:31:15

and the rest of the NFC. I

1:31:17

just if you're a Vikings fan like JJ McCarthy

1:31:20

has to work out, and not only does he

1:31:22

have to work out, he's got to be really really

1:31:24

good considering where your team

1:31:26

is. And it's just it seemed like a

1:31:29

front office that I know, it looks

1:31:31

like it's planning for the future by drafting

1:31:33

JJ McCarthy, And maybe that does

1:31:35

that with the front office. But if you're Kevin

1:31:38

O'Connell and it doesn't work out,

1:31:40

you know, in twenty twenty four, man,

1:31:43

there's not a lot to hang your hat on in twenty twenty five

1:31:45

with your draft class, either, so how much can actually

1:31:47

be better? I just I wonder

1:31:49

how it works for the Vikings. They were the

1:31:51

ones who had just kind of had me scratching my head

1:31:53

considering all of the moves that they made

1:31:55

to move up in the draft and take the players

1:31:58

that they wanted.

1:31:58

Well to your point about you know, coaches,

1:32:01

and you don't get the long leash anymore,

1:32:03

even if you're winning.

1:32:05

Yeah, yeah, I get it. No, it's

1:32:08

just like the any of the quarterbacks. No,

1:32:10

that's right, I mean first round picks. We've

1:32:13

seen how many teams move off of guys

1:32:16

after a year, two years, you

1:32:18

could say it's grossly incomplete.

1:32:21

Again in Chicago, a lot of the discussion

1:32:23

is just, boy, if Justin Fields had

1:32:25

had half of these

1:32:27

assets for more than you know,

1:32:29

at one season with with Dj

1:32:31

Moore and Cole Kament obviously got a lot

1:32:33

better last year of much

1:32:36

more secure.

1:32:36

Hand hands than he'd had before.

1:32:40

But just go on down the line, and for coaches, even

1:32:42

guys that have great success, I

1:32:44

mean Marty Schottenheimer used to be the guy

1:32:46

it's like, well, yeah, that great year and they fired him.

1:32:49

So he was always the example. No other

1:32:51

They're littered with him because GMS want their

1:32:53

own guy. It's not just they want their own quarterback.

1:32:56

They want to be as lockstep with

1:32:58

their their coaches as they can. Which

1:33:00

is why it's curious when you do have the veteran

1:33:04

coaches that do exhibit more

1:33:06

clout, like some guys just stay out of the way, right, Like

1:33:08

that's Andy Reid gives his input, but

1:33:11

Veitch and company they do their job

1:33:14

right, and then he goes to work. I'm

1:33:16

sure he has his input, but it's

1:33:18

never been put out that, you

1:33:20

know, Andy really put his foot down to get

1:33:22

this guy or whatever right separation

1:33:25

of duties. Whereas we have in Denver,

1:33:28

as as we've talked about a little bit off air.

1:33:30

You know Sean Payton, who's been hailed

1:33:33

by many as you know wild E

1:33:35

Coyote, super genius, this

1:33:38

you know, messiah of coaching. All

1:33:41

Right, you won a couple of games here and there

1:33:43

in the non Drew Brees parts

1:33:45

of New Orleans. But

1:33:47

the two years in Denver been a disaster.

1:33:50

Yeah at this point, Yeah, it's

1:33:53

well so far, because it's been the one it's

1:33:55

just.

1:33:55

One setting

1:33:57

up for a year two so one year.

1:33:59

But it's funny because

1:34:01

I don't think you're the only one that like the

1:34:04

head scratcher was Denver for you for

1:34:06

again. For me, it was just it was Minnesota

1:34:09

in going all in. The thing about

1:34:11

the Denver thing was I felt everybody

1:34:13

was mocking, not making fun

1:34:15

of, but predicting Bonnicks to

1:34:17

Denver, and then

1:34:20

it's where yeah, and then that's that's

1:34:22

like then it happens that everybody's like, awful

1:34:24

pick when that like that's all. I don't know if people

1:34:26

were predicting Denver to make that pick or

1:34:29

they were just predicting Sean Payton's arrogance

1:34:31

that he was going to get a quarterback

1:34:33

that that he feels that he can work with. But

1:34:36

like, man, that was one of the one of the picks

1:34:38

that I felt people had kind of you know, targeted

1:34:41

and nailed when it came through the.

1:34:43

You know, I got that one right in my uh, you

1:34:45

know, dart throwing exercise. But

1:34:48

I don't do trades, like I fully anticipated

1:34:51

that they'd be able to slide back,

1:34:54

get some other assets and still be able

1:34:56

to get him, because everybody that really wanted

1:34:58

a quarterback had already done it. Seattle.

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I'd heard whispers people were trying to

1:35:03

talk them into the quarterback run to

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some way, shape or form. While they brought in Sam Howell

1:35:08

mm hm, and you have Gino

1:35:10

still there.

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There was a report that they had looked

1:35:13

to move up maybe to try to get Pennix. Obviously,

1:35:16

with Ryan Grubbed their offensive coordinator coming over

1:35:18

from Washington, there'd be familiarity there,

1:35:20

so there was an opportunity.

1:35:23

How serious those talks got

1:35:25

or what was being asked, we don't

1:35:27

know, but there was a report that they did at least

1:35:30

look to move up to try to.

1:35:31

Look at quarterback. Yeah. Yeah, but for Bo

1:35:33

Nicks in good college career,

1:35:36

and certainly our teammate Jeff

1:35:38

Schwartz going through a little deep you know, he's

1:35:40

the Oregon guy, so kind of

1:35:42

getting a little deeper. They brought in Franklin in the

1:35:44

fourth round, so he gets a guy

1:35:46

that he's familiar with. Still,

1:35:49

you know, as much as they've ruled out trading

1:35:51

Courtland Sutton or whatever, that's not done

1:35:54

and we still have a long off season to go,

1:35:56

because that was I think my biggest surprise

1:35:59

of everything in the draft is that we didn't

1:36:01

see more activity than AJ Brown

1:36:03

getting his contract When it came to veteran

1:36:05

wide receiver.

1:36:06

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

1:36:07

There's a lot of names that you thought, especially

1:36:09

in San Francisco with Deebo and Brandon

1:36:12

Nyuk being I don't think

1:36:14

San Francisco forty nine er fans really

1:36:16

felt that either was going to go

1:36:18

because they just can't imagine a world

1:36:21

without both of them.

1:36:23

But they were brought up.

1:36:24

You know, New England and Buffalo were the two names

1:36:27

I think most prominently attached to

1:36:29

those two and it never happened. But yeah, you're right,

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