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you been watching the NFL Draft

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and the giddiness every time there's a draft

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pick, high fives, hugs all

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the way around. You

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know, there's a story of an old football coach who

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was in his first year and he

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was told by the president of the team

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to look in the top left drawer of

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his desk in his office. There were three envelopes

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and he was advised to open

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the envelopes only if he had

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a bad season. Don't open the envelopes

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until you have a bad season.

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They were numbered one, two, and three. Well,

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right out of the gate they come out and they were five

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and twelve their first year. So he opened up the

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first envelope and

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it simply said blame the assistant

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coaches. Second

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year rolled around they weren't much

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better. They were six and eleven. He opened

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up the second envelope, and it simply

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said, blame the

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draft choices. Third

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year rolled around, and

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they had a terrible year. They were three

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and fourteen. He opened

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up the third envelope, and it merely said,

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prepare three envelopes. In

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a draft that saw fourteen

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straight offensive players picked to

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get the ball rolling, six of

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the first twelve were quarterbacks. Four of the first

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eight were quarterbacks, Hope

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springs eternal. And while Hope springs

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eternal, let me remind

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you, and I don't need to be a

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killjoy, but facts as facts, ma'am.

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In the modern era of the NFL draft, since

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nineteen sixty seven, one hundred and

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thirty quarterbacks have been selected in

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the first round, but only sixty one

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of those that's about forty six percent won

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a single playoff game as a

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starter, according to NFL research.

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And by the way, fifty eight of those quarterbacks

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about forty four percent, garnered

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Pro Bowl honors. Now, only

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thirteen thirteen of one hundred and thirty

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actually won a Super Bowl, and that's

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in the last fifty six years as

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a starter, and two of those who

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won the Super Bowl, didn't win the

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Super Bowl for their original team.

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Now we're going to dive heavily into this and Tonight's

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show and Saturday

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Show, but I've got to get this off my chest,

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because for about an hour Thursday night,

2:52

the draft was humming along, relatively

2:55

uninspiring, relatively boring, no

2:58

mega trades, no real box

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in the top five. And then ish

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got real, as in really

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weird. The

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Falcons, who had just signed their

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new franchise quarterback Kirk Cousins to

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a massive contract guaranteeing

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him one hundred million dollars one hundred and eighty million

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dollar contract guarantee him one

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hundred million, proceed

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to pick Washington quarterback

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Michael Pennis Junior at number eight. You

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cannot tell me you weren't stunned, You

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weren't scratching your head. Okay,

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come on, what

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does the team have such little faith in cousins

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achilles tendon? Okay, remember

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Cousins just had surgery in November, but

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no one seemed to be worried about us health when

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they guaranteed him one hundred million in the opening dollars

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a free agency. So is Michael

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Pennix their insurance policy? You

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draft an insurance policy with your first

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round pick in the top ten, What

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the hell are we doing here? I'm

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really going to be watching this. The

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Falcons explanation didn't,

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frankly make a whole hell of a lot of sense if

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I could discern it. And I'm not even going to repeat

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it. And by the way, how you doing out there,

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Kirk. We believe

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in you. We call you right before the draft,

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and at least we'll let you know what's going on. Apparently,

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Diana Rassinia The Athletic reported Cousins

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was well understandably a little confused

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and dismayed and bothered by the surprise.

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There's job security, fair, and

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then there's wasting a high pick on a guy who's

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not gonna likely get on the team, get

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on the field and help the team this season, really

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a team that's supposedly loading up

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for a potential playoff run. The Falcons

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apparently told Cousins they'd be drafting

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a quarterback in the later rounds, and

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then they did this. Now

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thanks to the Pennix pick. And by the way, here's the byproduct,

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the domino start to fall. Denver Sean Payton,

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Well, he gets to escape some scrutiny

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for picking Bo next at number twelve.

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It's a huge reach on all the

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mock draft boards. I'm the only guy in the Western

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hemisphere that doesn't do a mock

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draft. Just don't waste my time doing it.

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Dave Rugler the Athletic did

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not even have you know, bow Knicks

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is the first round on his mock draft.

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He had a mid second round. But

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the Broncos apparently their post

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Russell Wilson plan is now

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bow Knicks. Zach Wilson and Jared Stidham

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have fun with that. Denver. We'll have Chad Anderson Denver

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on Saturday Night. Although I hear that Sean

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Payton has a man crush on bow Knicks,

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so we'll see what happens. But

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it's not hyperbole to say these two picks,

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Michael Pennix and Bo Nicks are

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potentially very historic moments for

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both franchises. Right now, they

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look like possible busts. Okay, we

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don't know for a while. I'm not going to pin

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those on the quarterbacks. It's not their fault. But

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you can't tell me these picks really make sense.

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I get it. Kirk Cousins is thirty five, five years old

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coming off of torn achilles tended, but Atlanta

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still has him signed through twenty twenty seven. Now,

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the linked to Cousins contract does overlap

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with you AMOUNTI years the team will have for Penix

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rights, but Atlanta will also have a fifth

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year option for Penix on twenty twenty eight. And

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the only thing I can rationalize this

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is the only thing I can rationalize, is

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one if Kirk Cousins, God forbid, got

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hurt this season. But now

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the NFL is what

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I call the now Football League. It's the

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NFL now forget later

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football league, because your first round pick

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should contribute year run and

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should be pensilin as a five year starter

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with Pro Bowl expectations. Now,

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I covered in an official capacity

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ten drafts of the Detroit Lions when I was part of the pre and

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post broadcast team from ninety eight to eight,

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and I'll say this about that. For instance,

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when Calvin Johnson in two thousand and

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seven was drafted in the top ten wide

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receiver, the good old Matt Millenier,

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somebody asked me what I thought about the pick. I love

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the player, I don't like to pick. The

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Lions have needs elsewhere everywhere.

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You don't build a team in the National Football League

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from the periphery. So

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back to Michael Penix. I like the

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player, I don't like to pick. I like the

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pick is odd. I don't see how the Falcons

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benefit anytime soon unless Panick

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sees the field in twenty twenty

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four, and if that were

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to happen, that means something bad

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has happened to the Falcons period

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period. Meanwhile, here

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in Las Vegas, the Raiders,

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with all their respect, another head

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scratcher unless your

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new GM Tom toe LESCo and their

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head coach Antonio Pirice basically said,

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what the hell, We're just simply gonna draft the

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best player available regardless.

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Now, remember the Raiders last year

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used the second round pick. I'm tightened Michael Mayer.

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Maybe he still wants to run through the

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halls of his high schools. He would have did there. They

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used to second round pick on Michael Mayer last

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year. But he's not going to be running through the halls of his high school

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anytime soon. Well, he was

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doing well before foot injury put him on injurieserve

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and he missed the final three games. But

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here's the biggest question for me. The

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Raiders. If you look at their roster. They

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kind of need an offensive tackle. They

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need a quarterback. Those are cornerback, not quarterback.

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Well, they need that too, They need

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a cornerback and an offensive tackle. There are much

8:28

bigger needs and every good

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top cornerback was still

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on the board when the Raiders picked.

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So you have to wonder why

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another tight end. Well, maybe

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Mayer's injury is worse

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than initially disclosed. It's

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a knee jerk reaction, but

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to me, it's still a very confounding

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pick. That's my knee jerk reaction. So

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there you have it. Michael Penix will

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be synonymous with this draft

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and we will be watching over

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the next how many years

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they're in the league and Atlanta's in the league and Kirk Cousins

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is in the league. I don't get

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it. I don't get it. This

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is the organization now, that said by Bill Belichick,

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and they draft a tight end last

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year who was supposed to set the world on fire,

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and now a quarterback in the first round that,

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if everything works according to Oils,

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shouldn't see the field this year. You don't want

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him to see the field this year. That means you either's

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stinking it up between

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the hash marks or somebody got

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hurt. Either way, it's not a good look and that division

9:34

is for the taking. So yeah,

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it's really easier for me to practice psychology

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without a license. As I sit here, but

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spot to lie. What are you doing? I

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just gave all the reasons. Coming up, We're

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going to take you out to Detroit. My good buddy Dan Leech,

9:49

former teammate at ninety seven to one

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in Detroit, was in the belly of the beast in the draft

9:53

last night. Get his thoughts on some things.

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And I want to talk about JJ McCarthy too.

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We don't really know how we he's going to do. I know he's

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being penalized because he doesn't have a long highlight

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reel or a statueet. I might remind

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you, you know, the late great Bill Walsh

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once used to say, don't

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tell me what a quarterback can't do,

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tell me what he can do. I really

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got my eye on McCarthy from what I know and what I've

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seen, and I know you've got to

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take a leap of faith. But

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Bill Walsh drafted a guy back in nineteen seventy

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nine named Joe Montana. His career

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at Notre Dame was pretty nondescript through

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twenty five touchdowns at twenty five interceptions

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only through five hundred and fifteen total passes. Yeah,

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I know the people that selectively listen

10:33

might be driving off the road. They're gonna tweet

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at me. I'm an idiot not comparing JJ McCarthy

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to Joe Montana. What

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I am saying is drafting a successful quarterback

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in the National Football League is absolutely

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an inexact science in an exact

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art. As we see time

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and time again, it proves

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predicting the future is impossible because

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well, college offenses and the defense has different

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so greatly from the NFL

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level. But we shall see. It's gonna

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be fun to watch. We'll talk about Dan

11:05

Leach. He's in Detroit. We'll

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talk with Dan Leach. He's in Detroit for

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the draft right now. He lives in Detroit, and

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take you out to Detroit, the

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epicenter of the NFL

12:29

universe. Right now, say hello to our former

12:31

teammate at ninety seven to one

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the ticket flagship Dan

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Leech. Dan, how are you, buddy?

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Bernie?

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I'm doing great and I can't believe I was a Vegas

12:41

last week, I didn't even see you.

12:43

Yeah, we kind of missed each other. But next time we will

12:45

make that happen, my friend. But you are in Detroit,

12:48

the belly of the beast. I've said it a thousand times.

12:51

There ain't no party like a Detroit party.

12:54

What was it like amidst two hundred and seventy

12:56

five thousand people? You

12:58

blew the NFL away and what was it like to be there

13:00

in the middle of it?

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Listen, there really isn't a party like a Detroit Troy

13:04

party, because a Detroit party does stop. But you know all this

13:06

and we just need to teach everyone else. And

13:08

you know, this thing got started with eminem you know,

13:11

firing up the crowd, and it just hasn't stopped.

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I've been lucky to be down there in the last couple of days

13:16

and obviously a city that I love more

13:18

than anything, and it's

13:20

just been magical burning. I mean, I'll tell you this. As

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you mentioned the two hundred and twenty five thousand, which

13:24

was a day one record, how about today almost two hundred

13:26

and fifty it's gonna blow away. Since

13:29

they've done this draft the road show, if you will

13:31

leave in New York City, for about ten years

13:34

now. It's gonna blow away the all time

13:36

record. And not that that means

13:38

that, you know, Detroit's a better city than

13:40

Nashville or Kansas City or Chicago.

13:42

Some of these setups can allow for maybe as

13:45

many people to go. It just shows you how

13:47

much Detroit loves football,

13:50

how much Detroit believes in itself

13:53

and wants to put on a good show, and

13:55

to be down there and feel that energy and

13:57

run into old friends and obviously see

13:59

them the national international

14:01

media of course, the local guys who just

14:04

have smiles on their faces, ear to

14:06

ear, all the security guards, on the

14:08

cops, on the DAATF,

14:10

whoever it is. Everyone has had such

14:12

an amazing experience. To be there

14:15

has been something that I really

14:17

can't compare to because I covered,

14:19

like you, Super Bowls, Final fours, NBA

14:22

Finals. It's all been awesome, red

14:24

wing Stanley Cups. I have never

14:26

in my entire life seen anything

14:29

like the NFL Draft in downtown Detroit.

14:32

It's just like I said, was

14:34

the best word I could give you, Bernie. It's something

14:36

to behold. And obviously the NFL is

14:38

of a massive, huge business these

14:40

days. The draft is almost like a movie or

14:43

a TV show or whatever you want to call it. It's

14:45

a huge production, but when

14:47

you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, it's about

14:50

the love of football, the love of

14:52

the Detroit lines obviously for local fans,

14:54

but the love of the game and the rich history. I know

14:56

wasn't much of a winning history. It's till recently of

14:59

the Detroit line in football in

15:01

the state of Michigan to City Detroit, and

15:03

I just can't tell you how special

15:05

it's been to be part of this last couple of days.

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Yeah, I hear you, I hear you, Dan, So

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let's dive in. Before I get to the Lions

15:12

and some other questions, I want

15:14

to talk about JJ McCarthy. He's become

15:16

polarizing in the sense that becaus

15:19

there's relatively light highlight

15:21

reel and stat sheet. People aren't

15:24

really sure. You've got to take a faith to leap. I

15:26

actually think he's going to do well. Tell

15:28

the folks, you know you're in the belly of the beast.

15:31

What are the Minnesota Vikings really getting in,

15:33

JJ McCarthy, Well, it did.

15:35

Dirty those days. They've obviously heard me on your

15:37

amazing show before they know that I'm to have a savant

15:39

and a profit because I kept predicting the Wolverines

15:42

almost to the score during that run

15:44

of the National title. So obviously you

15:46

buy it aside because I still have to be objective

15:48

as a broadcaster. But I love what JJ

15:51

McCarthy met twenty seven to one national

15:53

title. Obviously wasn't forced to throw as much

15:55

as other quarterbacks that were, you know, making it to

15:57

the CFP and beyond. But

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I'll just tell you this what they're getting. They're getting a guy

16:02

that wins at all levels. He's won at

16:04

every level of his career. And I was outside.

16:06

I was going in and out to the media center and outside

16:08

to see the fields of what it was like when

16:10

some of these picks are being made, especially the live pictures,

16:13

which I know we'll get to. But when JJ

16:15

McCarty was taken by the Vikings, you

16:18

know and basically didn't at the traiup, obviously it took him

16:20

at ten. The Ryot fans

16:22

is their same division. They were excited.

16:24

I know obviously a lot of those are probably Wolverine fans,

16:27

but the Viking fans are there, and there were a lot because

16:29

obviously Detroit not tremendously far

16:31

from Minnesota. They were a static

16:33

and they should be now. Listen, JJ

16:35

McCarthy is not gonna have the incident back of a Caleb

16:38

Williams, Jade Daniels, Navee Even and

16:40

Drake May. But when you look at the weapons he

16:42

has in Minnesota, first off, the communis the coach,

16:44

Kevin O'Connell's perfect for him. He's got

16:46

Addison, he's got Justin Jefferson, he's got a solid

16:48

offensive line. This guy in that situation

16:51

could I'm not going to say it's the most perfect situation

16:54

in the history of football, but it's pretty dark,

16:56

great and exactly what he would need to

16:58

succeed early out of his career.

17:00

And that's as you mentioned, I think he's the most

17:02

divisive draft prospect in a long

17:05

time, I mean maybe five six years, where

17:07

it's like there's some people that believe this guy's going to be a Hall

17:09

of Famer. Others believe he's not going to be able league

17:11

that much longer than his worky contract, which

17:13

I think is nuts. But he is being set

17:15

up or the six seed in Minnesota right away

17:17

with the coaching staff, the weapons he has there, and

17:20

like I said, all this guy did and

17:22

ann Arbor and before was win. When

17:25

he cares about winning, he cares about

17:27

working hard. And the Vikings, like I said,

17:29

being Allance fan, the Vikings in the same

17:31

division, have gotten a guy that can really

17:34

change fortunes for them as they move on.

17:36

For Kirk Cousins, talking with Dan Leech, her

17:38

former teammate at ninety

17:41

seven one Detroit right in the belly of the Beast, two

17:43

decade media career at

17:45

least, and Dan did predict that

17:47

Michigan would win the National championship and he

17:49

covered throughout the playoffs for

17:51

US. I want to talk about the Lions because the Lions

17:54

have become a media darling and they have completely

17:56

changed the culture. And one of

17:58

the reasons I like Brad Holmes so much is

18:00

you lose two cornerbacks, including Cameron Sett

18:02

and you come out out of the gate Terry and Arnold

18:05

from Alabama was a great draft choice. Ennis

18:07

Rakes draw, you bring four more quarterbacks

18:09

into the cornerback room, talk

18:12

about what the Lions did, how that fits

18:14

and worry do you think they pick up where they

18:16

left off next year?

18:18

I think they did. Listen, you know San Francisco

18:21

obviously he went to the Super Bowl. They might be a more complete

18:23

overall team. I mean having McCaffrey and what

18:25

they're able to do defensively, the

18:27

Lives are right there. I think the Lives are the second best team

18:29

in the NFC, maybe the third best team in the NFL. And

18:32

I think not only did they pick up where they love to out Berdy, but

18:34

you look at Brad Holmes and what he has

18:36

done going back to these Doullas is fourth draft,

18:39

you know, last year with Jams and obviously the Porta

18:41

and Branch guys that are just impactful.

18:43

Day number one, you know, Hunchinson was a no

18:45

brainer, but he's a lot of live fiftom

18:47

want the lines. Take Hutchinson and Jamison

18:50

Williams. Obviously it's ascension injury,

18:52

but he's obviously going to be a stun Malcolm

18:54

Rodriguez was a sixth round pick, you know, Penny

18:56

Suwellen in twenty twenty one, not the sexy

18:58

pick, but you know, kind of massive

19:01

deal because he's such an important offensive

19:03

lineman. And then this year, as you mentioned, obviously you

19:05

have the situation where camp Sutt which was awful. Lives

19:07

were twenty seventh in the league. You know, giving up passing

19:10

yardage and a lot of different metrics. They were bottom

19:12

third in the league, and you look at what he does.

19:14

He goes out there and gets two absolute

19:17

studs at cornerback, and obviously I know Terry

19:20

Onnaro pretty well. Is what he was able

19:22

to do against Michigan in that epic overtime

19:24

game in the Rose Bowl. And he's the guy, he

19:26

was the last guy there that was still actually

19:28

at the draft wearing that beautiful

19:30

pink suit which I ended up being about two feet

19:32

away from one point and still marveled

19:34

at it. That's the guy that could have gone much higher than

19:36

he did if it was an offensive having first fourteen

19:39

picks, which was a record obviously, and then

19:41

you know, you go right back to the well you could

19:43

ever get a gun enough good corners in the right spots

19:45

of the draft. And Rakeshaw from Missouri.

19:48

I got to see him play a few times last year.

19:50

He's fantastic. I mean, obviously he doesn't have

19:52

some issues as far as man

19:55

coverage, maybe a little weakness

19:57

at times there, but this is the guy that probably should

19:59

have gone higher sixty one as well. And you immediately

20:02

attack Brad Holmes, your biggest

20:04

position in need, of course, do they need a guard? You

20:06

needs some worldwide receivers, app you need a rusher,

20:08

sure, but two absolute

20:11

stud athletes at cornerbacks in

20:13

their first two picks, obviously twenty

20:15

four and sixty one to have a third round

20:17

pick. I think Reynolds continues

20:19

to show why he is a difference

20:22

maker when it comes to Bob Quinn. Before

20:24

was a pro personnel guy. He's looking at what Brad

20:26

Holmes has done. He was a college scounting guy, helped

20:28

Les Steed build the Rams to a Super Bowl winner. That's

20:31

what he's doing here in Detroit, him and Dan Campbell working concert.

20:33

It's something to behold. He continues to hit

20:35

out all cylinders and if you're a live fan, you got

20:37

to be fired up by this. Your worst position, basically,

20:40

it's not, you know, the second worst position overall

20:42

as an address right away with your first two

20:45

picks and two studs, I believe it could be day one

20:47

starters.

20:48

Dan. I can't let you go before bringing up

20:50

Michael Panick. So you saw up close and personal

20:52

it was in Indiana and Kirk Cousins while

20:54

he was at Michigan State. What do you make of

20:56

that? Whole Michael Tass selection

20:59

Dan it's said the reaction.

21:01

I was outside for that pick too. It was

21:03

just bed love like one

21:05

of the biggest head scratchic picks you'll ever see.

21:08

Now, Listen, I as you mentioned, I saw him. I'm

21:10

close and personal at the National title game.

21:13

I said before the game, the only reason

21:15

that I'm nervous about this game is that Michael

21:17

Patticks Junior is so good. If they then Michael

21:19

Pattick Junior, I won't be worried at all about Michigan

21:21

winning the National title. He was that good that on

21:24

even the Washington to me, was his ferrier overall,

21:26

and the mission should have been in the way they did. He was

21:28

such a difference maker. Listen, I understand

21:31

the Falcons only liked him. I understand that. It's

21:33

it's the kind of thing where you know, maybe they're going

21:35

to try to trade him in a couple of years, maybe they want to back up,

21:38

you know, situation emergency wise, and Kirk Cousins

21:40

doesn't work out the gettinger I get the quarterbacks

21:42

of the name of the game, but to take him an eight

21:44

when you just signed Kirk Cousins

21:46

for over one hundred million dollars,

21:49

not only as a head scratcher, but it makes

21:51

you wonder if there's something we don't know about Kirk Cousins.

21:53

I know there's rumors floating around. I don't think there's

21:55

any serious and maybe you know, read

21:57

them to take him, because if Kirk Cousins had a issu

22:00

choose that being said to take him at

22:02

eight and use all that draft

22:04

capital. I guess you say, you know you

22:06

whatever, you need a quarterback, take a quarterback, and

22:09

there's ever a bad time to take a great one. I

22:11

just can't believe in a team that just got

22:13

a guy that's spent well over one hundred million

22:15

for him, is going to go that high in the

22:17

draft for a guy that, yes he's

22:20

gonna be I think he'll be really good. But he's not Jane

22:22

Daniels. He's not Caleb Williams. He was a guy

22:24

that was looked at, probably going much later that

22:26

he didn't know, maybe do after J. J. McCarthy.

22:28

So a total shock, Bernie, But listen

22:30

the guy. He's a winner too. And if the

22:32

Vikings end up keeping him and move on

22:34

for Cousins somehow in the next couple of years, maybe

22:37

Paddick Hueter is the guy that takes them to

22:39

a Super Bowl.

22:39

Finally, Dan, as

22:42

always, I wish I had more time, great

22:44

stuff. As always, we will get you on again

22:46

soon and you'll be a fixture coming up

22:49

in this football season, buddy, in

22:51

both college and the NFL. Keep

22:54

doing killing it there in the d Dan, enjoy

22:56

your weekend.

22:57

Thanks so much Forerdie always a pleasure, and I my.

22:59

Man, thank you. That is Dan Leecher,

23:01

former teammate at ninety seven to one, the

23:04

flagship the Blowtorch in the city of Detroit,

23:07

and you know he's right there in the middle of the belly

23:09

of the beast. That covered a lot of ground, so we'll

23:11

see coming up. The

23:13

irony to me, the dichotomy is that

23:16

they saw fit to draft

23:18

six quarterbacks in the first twelve picks.

23:20

That's never happened before. But

23:23

ironically there are major questions

23:26

on every quarterback, which we'll get you later in the show.

23:28

But one particular, anonymous

23:30

scout made some comments

23:33

about the number one draft pick overall that

23:35

I can't unhear, and when you hear these,

23:37

you may be a little surprised, if

23:39

not shocked. But

23:42

first, if you had one

23:44

shot one opportunity to get this sports

23:46

coverage right where you'd go to our guy, Kevin

23:48

Wired the chef with the latest.

23:50

Yeah, I love the eminem tie in right there, Bernie

23:53

Well the.

23:53

Chef with a rare Friday night of parents.

23:55

Yes, everybody,

23:57

not just the NFL Draft tonight though, although

23:59

it was interesting because six quarterbacks

24:01

taken in the first round, but zero taken

24:04

in the second and third rounds, so

24:07

that was an interesting development there in Rounds

24:09

four, five, six, and seven will

24:12

take place on Saturday over in

24:14

Detroit. As for the NBA, we had

24:16

three games in the playoffs first

24:19

round series between the Bucks and Pacers.

24:21

Game three and this one went

24:23

to overtime where Indiana able

24:26

to steal it.

24:27

Haliburton runs it down.

24:28

He'll cross the timeline with five, moving

24:30

to his right with four, he's in the lane.

24:32

The floater from.

24:33

The foul line it

24:38

and put him

24:40

on the line.

24:42

Nicely done, Employee number

24:44

zero.

24:45

That was the Pacers radio network with the call

24:47

Tyrese Halliburton. That and one to get

24:50

the win for Indiana and put him

24:52

up two games to one in this best of seven series.

24:54

As part of a triple double that Halliburton

24:56

had on the evening eighteen points,

24:59

ten rebounds and sixteen

25:01

assists. Mavericks over the Clippers

25:03

one to one. Ninety Dallas now ahead two to one

25:06

in that series. Luca Dantag's twenty

25:08

two points, ten rebounds, nine assists

25:10

the Clippers sloppy basketball

25:12

nineteen turnovers

25:14

in the loss. The Timberwolves, for the first

25:16

time in franchise history, had

25:19

three to nothing in a bust to seven

25:21

playoff series as they beat the Suns

25:23

one twenty six to one. Oh nine Anthony Edwards

25:25

with thirty six points and nine rebounds.

25:28

The Phoenix Suns got twenty

25:30

plus points from their Big three, but didn't

25:32

get much help elsewhere, Bradley

25:35

Beal leading the way with twenty eight points.

25:37

NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs Rangers

25:39

they commanding three nothing lead over the

25:41

Capitals after they win it against Washington

25:44

three to one. Cannucks over the Predators two to one,

25:46

so it's Vancouver ahead two games

25:48

to one. Avalanche blew out

25:50

the Jets six to two. Colorado

25:53

leads this series two to one, and the Oilers

25:55

demolished the Kings in Los Angeles

25:57

six to one. It is Edmonton ahead two

26:00

games to one. Back to you, Bernie All

26:03

right, thanks, chef.

26:03

Good stuff. By the way,

26:06

in twenty seven minutes from where

26:09

I sit, it

26:11

is midnight in Las Vegas, hence

26:13

the midnight hour, So from where I sit, the midnight

26:15

hour twenty seven minutes away might

26:18

have something to do with Reggie Bush. We're gonna take a little

26:20

bit of a deep dive into that whole situation. So

26:22

you want to dial him up early eight, seven, seven, nine

26:25

and nine on Fox. I'll talk a little bit

26:27

more about that coming up in ten minutes,

26:29

But first you heard Dan talk

26:31

about Michael Penix and one other thing

26:33

too. Before I get to this anonymous

26:35

scout and his comments

26:38

about the number one draft choice, there

26:40

is one big question about Michael Penis. He does

26:43

have an injury history. He turns

26:45

twenty four in a couple of weeks, which to me is not that's

26:47

been overblown. He's not turning forty four,

26:50

turning twenty four. But

26:55

Michael Penix separated

26:57

his left throwing shoulder in twenty twenty

26:59

one. He tore his right ACL

27:02

back in twenty eighteen, and

27:04

in twenty twenty. He dislocated his

27:06

right non throwing shoulder in

27:09

twenty nineteen, so you have two ACL

27:11

tears. Is left throwing

27:13

shoulder separated and a tear in

27:15

his right throwing shoulder. That's

27:17

a lot. Now from a pure skill

27:20

standpoint, he's one of the best quarterbacks

27:22

on the board, great arm strength. There

27:24

was a beautiful deep ball. But if

27:27

you don't think durability is a question

27:30

and why that was the reason why Michael

27:32

Pennix was projected to go much lower than number

27:34

eight. Look, I bet

27:37

you haven't noticed. Joe Burrow has been hurt

27:39

all four years he's been in the league. So this

27:41

is a tough leak to survive in. That

27:44

is part of this equation.

27:48

Clearly the Falcons wanted a successor at

27:50

some point to their Kirk Cousins

27:53

one hundred and eighty million dollar

27:55

man. But this was just a surprise to me, the

27:58

biggest surprise of the draft. It'll be the be a

28:00

surprise of the draft, a very unconventional

28:02

move. Terry Final said he was going

28:05

to take the best player available. Quote for us

28:07

makes no sense. You want that first

28:09

round draft pick to get

28:12

on the field now and be, you know, pencil him in as

28:14

a five to seven year starter being all Pro. Okay,

28:17

I've beat that up enough. There's

28:20

going to be lots of conjecture and Tonight's show and Saturday

28:23

show having to do with the comments, the

28:25

questions, and all of the

28:27

post analysis. Now that these

28:29

gentlemen have technically begun

28:32

their professional careers, but this

28:35

one anonymous scout had

28:37

some very crazy things to say

28:39

about Caleb Williams. And

28:41

you've heard me say before. It's against the law of practice

28:43

psychology without a license. And I don't

28:45

know who made these statements. Maybe he does have a

28:48

psychology license. But

28:50

the bottom line is, with

28:52

about thirty six hours to go before

28:54

the NFL Draft, one

28:58

particular scout really quotquestion whether

29:00

or not Caleb Williams should be the cleared number

29:02

one overall pick.

29:05

According to a gentleman named Bruce Feldman,

29:08

he puts out this thing called the NFL

29:10

Draft Confidential File. There

29:13

were scouts thats questioned

29:16

Caleb williams readiness NFL readiness

29:18

as a person, not as a

29:20

player, as a person. That's

29:24

why I said, it's against a lot of practic psychology without

29:26

a license. There were some very some

29:29

very choice quotes. Let's put it that way. One

29:32

particular scout said, quote, I

29:34

think Caleb has a chance to be very

29:37

good, but I'm not sure about

29:39

the wiring. For me, it's

29:42

how motivated is he to just

29:44

win? Okay?

29:46

How could you know that? Okay? Another

29:50

scout quote, he gives off a Russell

29:52

Wilson vibe with this lack

29:54

of self awareness, like I'm

29:56

kind of above everybody. Well,

29:59

Russell Wilson did win a Super Bowl and could

30:01

be argued should have won a second one.

30:04

A third scout said, quote, I like Caleb

30:06

as a player, but the locker room part of it

30:09

concerns me. He's going to

30:11

have to understand the difference in where he's at

30:13

and how he's been treated to being the quarterback

30:16

and an NFL locker room. And

30:18

then there was the interview on

30:20

another podcast in which

30:23

an NFL scout is quoted that

30:25

he's very worried about Caleb Williams

30:27

crying after a loss last year. Here's the

30:29

direct quote quote, raw motion

30:31

is great, but the

30:34

Caleb thing that was

30:36

ridiculous to me. That threw up

30:39

major red flags. I will tell you

30:41

he scares the ish out of

30:43

me and a lot of NFL teams too.

30:47

So there was a lot of conjecture about

30:50

the psychological makeup of Caleb Williams as

30:52

a person heading into the

30:54

draft, how do we

30:56

really know? Was Williams not

30:58

motivated to just win or he crying because

31:00

he wanted to win so bad or wanted to

31:02

win too much? You can't do it

31:04

both ways. He's already made a lot of

31:06

money. I get it. He paints his nails.

31:10

It's not going to matter. If the Bears go to the super

31:12

Bowl, they'll send him nail polish.

31:14

And if it doesn't impact us play

31:17

on the field, which is the

31:19

only thing that's going to matter, and we're going to find

31:21

out in about four and a half months,

31:24

if it doesn't impact us play on

31:26

the field, the

31:28

Bear shouldn't be concerned about it. The

31:31

scouts shouldn't be concerned about it, and neither

31:33

should you and I. But that's

31:35

what we do. We elevate people

31:38

to the highest level and

31:40

we tear them down. And here it comes. It's

31:43

just getting started. But those were

31:45

pretty salacious comments about

31:48

Caleb Williams coming

31:51

up. We've got to talk about this.

31:53

This is a big This is a big deal. Reggie

31:57

Bush after twenty years

32:00

or fourteen years, or whatever the hell it was, he

32:03

is getting his Heisman

32:05

trophy back. We've

32:07

got to talk about that. In the midnight hour.

32:10

According to the Heisman Trust, due to quote

32:13

enormous changes, they've decided

32:15

to give Reggie Bush his Heisman

32:17

trophy back. Is

32:20

this a Bush League move? Is it appropriate?

32:22

Is it overdue? Should he have never had his heisman taken

32:24

away from him in the first place? We want

32:26

to hear from you. And while we're at

32:29

it, since they're in this magnanimous

32:31

mood, now, the NCAA has nothing to do with the Heisman

32:34

Trust. They're not joined it to hip. Should

32:37

while we're at it, usse and

32:40

they're vacated National championship at

32:42

wins and records be restored? And hell,

32:44

while we're at it, should Pete

32:46

Rose be in the Hall of Fame or at

32:49

least back on the ballot? And what about bonds?

32:51

Paul Merrow, Maguire and Sosa. We're gonna have a little

32:53

fun with us. What are your thoughts? Do

32:55

we have standards or not? I

32:58

heard one other fox this past

33:00

week just livid that

33:03

OJ Simpson went to his grave

33:06

with his heisman by his side, but

33:08

Reggie Bush God has taken away?

33:10

So what are they doing? A grand standing here? Is it's all

33:12

about optics? So

33:15

in nineteen minutes from where I sit here in Las

33:17

Vegas. It will be midnight, and

33:19

wherever you're at and whatever time zone around

33:21

the country and around the world, it's midnight

33:24

in Vegas. I want to hear from you in the midnight

33:26

hour eight seven, seven, nine

33:29

nine, six sixty three sixty nine. But we're going to dive into this

33:31

Reggie Bush thing. I'm gonna set this thing up. Fourteen

33:34

years after forfeiting his forfeiting

33:36

his trophy, the Heisman

33:38

Trust announced Wednesday the formal reinstatement

33:42

because of enormous changes in

33:44

the college football landscape.

33:48

By the way, after

33:51

the show, shortly after the show, the podcast

33:53

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here in Las Vegas. It is midnight,

34:46

hence the midnight hour. We'll

34:49

look forward to hearing from you. Eight seven seven nine

34:51

nine six six three six ' nine. Let's

34:53

set this up. Wednesday,

34:57

Reggie Bush was the recipient

34:59

of you would call the formal reinstatement

35:01

of the Heisman Trophy that he

35:04

won back in two thousand and five because

35:07

of what the Heisman Trust calls

35:09

quote, enormous changes in

35:12

the college football landscape.

35:16

Let's set this up. The

35:18

USC teams were epic. The

35:20

twenty four team blew out Oklahoma,

35:23

went for the repeat, lost to Texas, but

35:27

it was an incredible team historically

35:29

in the annals of college football, and Reggie

35:32

Bush was a key protagonist

35:35

along with Matt Lioner. Now,

35:39

this story goes like this that somewhere along

35:41

the line allegedly Reggie Bush took money

35:44

from an agent who had hoped to represent

35:46

him, and at the end of the day

35:49

that agent did not represent Reggie, and Reggie

35:52

kept the money or his family kept the money. We'll

35:54

keep it simple, let's not get too granular. Jason

35:57

Cole did some phenomenal

36:00

investigative journalism on this, and you can

36:02

find it. So

36:07

if I could only ask Reggie Bush one question, I

36:09

would If he didn't pay the money

36:12

back, why didn't you? This whole thing could

36:14

have been avoided, but it wasn't. So

36:16

he got outed, it got investigated,

36:19

led the whole other USC infractions

36:21

to YadA YadA a Pete Carroll bolted town,

36:24

USC had their you

36:26

know record stripped, et cetera,

36:28

et cetera, and Reggie lost his Heisman trophy,

36:31

which to some degree I never completely understood

36:34

because we know he did it, he earned it. I mean, it

36:36

seems like those two you can hold two thoughts concurrently.

36:40

But the you know Bush

36:42

forfeited his Heisman trophy in twenty ten.

36:45

This was in the wake after several years of

36:47

investigations that apparently under

36:49

you know, uncovered significant NCAA

36:52

sanctions for USC, which included, as

36:54

I just mentioned Bush receiving improper

36:57

benefits during his USC

37:00

ten which was from two thousand and three to two thousand

37:02

and five. It was part of the decision Wednesday,

37:04

the Heisman Trust Trust decided

37:07

to return the Heisman

37:09

Trophy to Reggie Bush and a

37:11

replica back to USC. And

37:13

the good news is Bush will again be invited to all

37:15

future Heisman Trophy ceremonies,

37:18

beginning in this upcoming season. Of

37:21

course, Reggie Bush had the

37:23

gratuitous comment personally quite thrilled

37:25

to reunite with my fellow Heisman

37:27

winners to be part of the storied legacy the Heisman Trophy,

37:30

and I'm honored to return to the Heisman family.

37:32

I also look forward to working together with the Heisman Trust

37:35

to advance the value's admission to the organization.

37:37

Okay, yeah,

37:40

okay, thank you for that. Look,

37:44

uh, the other winners, though I

37:47

must say Reggie did have a lot of supporters.

37:49

The other winners were excited to see him, excited

37:52

this is happening. And you

37:55

know there are plenty of the the the

37:58

quotes, the gratuitous quotes, including one from Johnny

38:00

Manziel, thank you to the Heisman Trophy

38:03

for doing what's right. Welcoming a storied member

38:05

of our history back into the fold. There were

38:07

many voices throughout this process that stood

38:09

on the table for Reggie simply because of the kind of human

38:11

being he is blah blah blah, blah blah.

38:13

But in their decision making, the Heisman Trust

38:15

noted that in twenty twenty one, the Supreme Court

38:18

their decision against the unca and the Austin

38:20

case, which the Trust that quote questioned

38:22

the legality of the NCAA's amateurs and model,

38:25

it opened the door to student athlete compensation.

38:27

That's when things really started

38:29

to change, they said, quote, recognizing

38:32

that the compensation of student athletes is

38:34

an accepted practice and appears

38:36

here to stay. These fundamental changes

38:38

in college athletics have led the Trust

38:41

to decide that now is the right time to

38:43

return the Heisman Trophy to Busch, who

38:45

unquestionably was the most outstanding

38:47

college football player of two thousand and five. He

38:50

was outstanding. Vince Young might have something

38:52

to say about that. Who I always thought Vince

38:55

Young handled the situation very

38:57

well. But Reggie Bush did rush

38:59

for forty two careers touchdowns over three season,

39:01

and he did he was an incredible highlight

39:04

reel. So let's talk about

39:06

this. Are you good with it? Are

39:08

you glad that Reggie Bush got his Heisman

39:11

trophy back? Do you think it never should have

39:13

been taken in the first place? And while we're at it, now, due

39:15

to these enormous changes, and

39:17

now the college players are paid, USC

39:21

has vacated a national championship and wins

39:23

and records? Should that be restored? And

39:25

while we're at it, legue life sports betting

39:27

is here. So after thirty five years

39:29

and extold Pete Rose be considered for the Hall

39:31

of Fame? Why not? While we're at it, Bombs

39:34

palm Ara Maguire, Soso. Okay, you get the

39:36

picture. Let's stick with Reggie Bush eight

39:38

seven seven nine nine six six Street sixty

39:40

nine eight seven seven nine to nine one.

39:42

Fox, what are your thoughts on the whole

39:45

Reggie Bush situation? Are

39:47

you glad he got his heisman back? You think you

39:49

never should have lost it? Are you pissed? You think there's

39:51

a double standard? We want to hear from you

39:53

in Vegas. It's the midnight hour. You're

39:56

listening to the Bernie Frattle Show. Keep it locked,

39:58

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nine nine six six three six nine, eight, seven,

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seven, nine and nine. On Fox, We're gonna

40:33

talk Reggie Bush. Cause you

40:35

see where I sit here in

40:37

Las Vegas, it is twelve midnight. I

40:40

do realize We've got listeners

40:42

around the country and around the world. You're

40:44

all in different time zones, but here

40:47

in Las Vegas it's twelve midnight. Hence

40:49

it's time for the midnight hour, all

40:52

right. By now you've heard it, Reggie Bush

40:54

is getting his Heisman trophy back.

40:57

How do you feel about that? Should you have never

40:59

lost it? Are you pissies getting it back?

41:01

I don't know that he ever was contrite about.

41:04

Really what really happened, we don't know,

41:06

But I do know this. We're in changing

41:09

times. And thanks to quote enormous changes

41:12

as cited by the Heisman Trust, Reggie

41:14

Bush is getting it back. Do we start that

41:16

slippery slope now? Does se get its

41:19

wins that were vacated restored?

41:22

And they're national championship they're

41:24

natty restored? What about Pete Rose? What

41:26

about Sammy Sosa and the rest of them? All

41:28

right, let's take it one at a time. Squad

41:31

to the phones. Jim in Massachusetts,

41:33

get a start tonight. What are your thoughts, buddy on Reggie

41:36

Bush.

41:37

He should have had it from the very beginning.

41:40

They never should have got involved in that. You

41:42

know, what happens on the field, happened on the field

41:44

outside of the field, outside of the field, along

41:46

with like Pete Rose and Sammy Solicer and the rest

41:48

of them. Like Steve

41:51

Lyons used to say, you know, Heaven's the saints

41:54

of Hall of Fames football players.

41:56

You know, So these are just people

41:59

that never played the game, that are envious,

42:01

that are jealous, that get

42:03

involved in these things, like all those

42:05

guys that were in the steroid era. I mean

42:07

when they did that testing, they did that voluntarily

42:10

and nothing was going to come of it, you know, But

42:12

then it got leaked out or rat it out, and that's how they

42:14

backed those guys. So you know, you

42:17

know, the gambling would rows and all

42:19

that even shole if Joe Jackson way back

42:21

in the day, how do you bat three seventy

42:23

five and do all that he did and then you say he

42:25

threw the World Series? You know, it's just you

42:27

know, it's just people whine and crying that never even

42:30

played sports. That are just jealous.

42:32

And as far as Bush goes, he never did anything wrong

42:34

on the field. You never should

42:36

have had his Hesman Trophy taken away. What do you

42:38

think, Erny?

42:39

I think it's an intelligent, excellent

42:41

call, Jim, thanks as always for checking in. Let

42:44

me respond to it ever so quickly, And I love

42:46

Steve cycle Lions. You

42:49

made an important distinction. What took place

42:51

on the field should in fact

42:53

stand alone, and I think that's

42:56

that's what's happening here.

42:58

They are holding two thoughts

43:01

concurrently, and perhaps it never really should

43:03

have been taken away because it's a separate

43:05

issue, you

43:07

know, the shoeless Joe Jackson thing, the other things we

43:10

talk about. We have

43:12

this moral compass in society that a lot

43:14

of people, You're right, have never played the game can

43:17

become somewhat sanctimonious

43:19

over and I know there's going to be somebody that disagrees

43:21

with Jim. I respect all opinions.

43:24

I like the way he laid that out. Remember,

43:26

don't be afraid to disagree, because the most boring

43:28

conversations are when

43:30

everybody agrees. Eight seven seven nine

43:33

nine six sixty three sixty nine eight seven seven

43:35

ninety nine Fox from where I sit here in

43:37

Las Vegas. It is midnight. It's the midnight

43:39

hour. Back out to the phones, Jerome and Charleston,

43:43

you are up next. What are your thoughts on the Reggie

43:45

bus situation?

43:46

Hey, I don't I don't have a problem with him getting

43:49

the trophy back and everything, because it's because

43:51

he did earn it. But he does look like

43:53

a bit of a choose lot.

43:54

Could not paying that money back of me? Yes,

43:57

oh to the committee, you know, and

43:59

they ken they couldn't hang.

44:01

That over his head for all these years because

44:03

but but you know, other than that, you know, I'm

44:05

don't have a problem with him getting the trophies back.

44:08

But right if somebody gives me money and

44:10

uh, things don't work out, they're getting

44:12

their money back. Because his RM's not a

44:14

deadbeat. You know, I make sure all my

44:16

bills here. If I owe you, I'm paying

44:19

you back because you don't have nothing

44:21

onrmany.

44:21

But I'm gonna tell you this.

44:23

The year that.

44:23

He won the husband that year he

44:25

had look at the numbers, Barry Sada's

44:28

had his junior year. Huh

44:30

thirty seven touchdowns, almost

44:33

four thousand yards in toll offense. Noah,

44:35

he ain't the greatest college running back

44:38

Barry standards was that

44:40

year.

44:41

Can't want to hide it.

44:42

That was just an unreal out

44:44

of body experience kind of year.

44:46

Okay, because I heard the guys that.

44:48

Well, Reggie Bush is the greatest

44:50

running back I've ever't seen.

44:52

No, Barry Shadd's the greatest college

44:54

running back I ever seen.

44:55

That year he was like he was

44:58

like James Dames and U Fee

45:00

was a one man jag that year.

45:04

Jerome, that's a noun standing call. Before I let

45:06

you run, guess how much money Reggie Bush made

45:08

during his eleven year NFL career.

45:10

Just take a quick get.

45:12

I would say between thirty and

45:14

sixty million, sixty.

45:16

Three million dollars. So,

45:18

Jerome, you and I are on the same page. Thanks for checking

45:20

in, Jerome. I appreciate you, buddy. Why

45:23

didn't you pay the damn money back? This whole thing could

45:25

have been avoided. That's

45:28

what sticks in my craw Andrew

45:30

and Bakersfield always look forward to what

45:32

you have got to say? Your thoughts on Reggie Bush.

45:35

What's up, Bernie, Let's make this interesting?

45:38

Okay?

45:38

Okay?

45:40

First caller was talking about people

45:43

getting on moral high ground who have never played

45:45

the game. Okay. I've played

45:47

soccer, baseball, flag

45:49

football, tackle football, snowboarded,

45:53

skied okay,

45:56

And all I have to say

45:58

is those rules of play college

46:01

athletes. And for them to say,

46:04

well, things have changed now doesn't

46:07

count because the rules were back

46:09

then.

46:11

And we've heard the analogy. Stand on the line,

46:14

Andrew, we've heard the analogies

46:16

ad nauseum. All right. I got a

46:18

ticket for driving seventy and a fifty

46:20

five twenty years ago. Now

46:22

they've changed the speed limit to seventy?

46:25

Can I get my ticket? Recented? You're not wrong,

46:27

Andrew.

46:28

Final thoughts, Well,

46:32

if they had reason to take it away, then I

46:34

think that it should have stayed away

46:36

from all.

46:38

Right, Pat, we appreciate you checking in, Andrew.

46:41

I just got a tweet from Homer nineteen

46:43

sixty seven. He says, Bernie revising the standard

46:45

for Reggie Bush calls into

46:47

questioning every athlete that's run to follow

46:50

the rules. The slate must be cleared

46:52

for all. It opens the discussion,

46:55

which is why I said what I said, And feel free to comment

46:57

on this eight seven, seven, nine,

46:59

nine, six six three sixty nine. While

47:02

we're at it, you know USC had

47:04

to vacate their natty and the wins.

47:07

We all know they did it. I mean, it's like the Fab five. People

47:09

say, well, how come nothing ever happened to the fab

47:11

Well it did, by the way, they never want anything.

47:14

Fab five never won a damn thing. They

47:16

didn't win the Big Ten, they didn't win national

47:18

championship. They're notoriously

47:21

famous, and for good reason, they

47:23

didn't win anything. While we're at it, Reggie

47:25

gets his heisman back? Should USC be

47:28

cleared, get their whims back, their natty

47:30

back? Hell, Pete Rose, why

47:32

not? What the hell? Let's have a little fun. Gilberto

47:36

and san Diego, how

47:38

are you? My friend?

47:40

Olabernicomosas movie

47:42

bien he too. They were

47:44

moui vian gracias. They listen a couple

47:46

of things. Regarding Reggie Bush. I

47:49

agree with him

47:51

getting the Heisman back because,

47:53

like the first caller said, he earned.

47:55

It on the field. I totally

47:57

agree with that.

47:59

On the other day, on the only

48:01

one that I will consider putting into

48:03

the Hall of Fame, it has to be

48:05

Pete Rose, because whatever

48:08

he did, he did it as a coach.

48:10

That's true.

48:12

He's a true king leader.

48:14

Okay.

48:14

I saw him play, and he

48:17

always he always gave

48:19

one hundred and ten percent. I've never seen

48:21

a player like him ever, except

48:24

maybe for one season, three games for the eighty

48:27

eight.

48:29

That's true, to the best of my understanding. The sixty

48:31

plus page doubt report, Gilberto has

48:34

to do with Pete Rose's gambling post

48:37

playing career. So

48:40

I think if he hadn't been sorry calcil tripped

48:42

with a barciamati and

48:44

then and then you know,

48:47

the successful the successor

48:50

commissioners after that, he might have been granted

48:53

relief. While we're at it, real quickly, Gilberto,

48:55

and I know Reggie Bush is from San Diego, Does that

48:57

maybe maybe

48:59

a a little bit?

49:02

I had to ask you listen and listen,

49:04

Bernie. One more thing that I want

49:07

to thank you for what you did

49:09

on your presentation and on

49:11

Wednesday on Ben Maller, you

49:13

did you did a segment that

49:16

brought peers of joy

49:19

and remembrance what you

49:21

were giving the segment. I'm

49:23

not gonna give it away because you may do

49:25

it doing the show, but it had.

49:27

No no, no, go ahead, tell tell the folks,

49:29

go ahead, yeah, bro to your regular tell

49:31

the folks.

49:32

Yeah.

49:33

It had to do with a

49:35

GM for an NFL team, how

49:38

he became a GM, and that's

49:40

Howie Roseman. The way

49:42

you presented it is reminded me and

49:45

it's giving me shields right now because I used

49:47

to listen to him religiously

49:50

from Monday to Friday at five

49:52

or five pm on in

49:55

LA in an LA station and that and

49:57

that is the great late Paul Harvey.

50:00

The only thing that was missing from that is the

50:02

rest.

50:02

Of this story, right.

50:04

I couldn't steal that line. Thanks Gilbert to

50:06

always appreciate your calls

50:08

just for what it's worth so people aren't in the dark.

50:10

Howie Roseman, the general

50:13

manager of the Philadelphia Eagles, who I think is done a phenomenal

50:15

job. And I admit he's had some hits and misses, okay,

50:18

but he's gotten this team relevant and even

50:21

this year goes right after their need

50:24

defensive backfield. When he was a young

50:26

kid in high school, he wrote over fifteen

50:28

hundred letters to NFL teams and he admitted, I've never

50:30

played football. I've never even been a water

50:32

boy. I've never set foot on a football field. But if you hire

50:35

me as a GM, I'll

50:37

be the best GM you ever saw. Well. Mike Tannenbaum

50:39

basically was intrigued by this and said,

50:41

I got to talk to this kid. I don't know if he's nuts

50:43

or he's the most persistent kid I've ever

50:45

seen, but I'm gonna find out. So he told

50:48

Howie Roseman. He goes, You've got no chance of ever being

50:50

a coach ever anything. But there's

50:53

this new thing that's going to be called the salary cap

50:55

Now, this is back in the nineties, so if you go

50:57

to law school, you might be able to be a capologist.

51:00

He went to law school, ends

51:02

up getting hired. After law school,

51:04

Mike Tannabob didn't have any openings, but

51:06

he called this guy at the Eagles, he

51:09

was hired, and the rest is history. Yeah, pretty

51:11

interesting story. The

51:13

Squeeze. One more in here. Lynn in

51:15

San Diego, California. You are up next. Good

51:18

good evening, Lyn, How are you.

51:20

Hey?

51:20

Good even Bernie? Always a pleasure man.

51:23

You.

51:23

I really really liked listening to you

51:25

when you come on. The insight

51:27

is awesome. Hey, look I

51:30

like herschel Walker best college running

51:32

back at for my money if I was a betting man.

51:35

Also, the NCAA

51:38

overreacted in my opinion

51:40

on Reggie Bush. You can go ahead and punish the

51:42

institution like USC College or whatever.

51:45

I mean, that's okay, but don't punish the

51:47

player. Reggie he went out there and worked

51:49

his butt off and earned that Heisman trophy,

51:51

so you got to let.

51:52

Him keep that. No,

51:54

you're not wrong. I mean it's

51:57

undeniable what Bush

51:59

did on the field. And

52:02

we should hold two thoughts concurrently while

52:04

we're at it. Should us see get their wins

52:07

back? What are your thoughts?

52:09

Uh?

52:09

No, uh, keep punishing institutions,

52:12

but don't punsh punning. Don't punish

52:14

players like leave the lead

52:17

the boys alone. But if if they

52:19

if they attended that college, punish the

52:21

college because they're the one who

52:24

is in charge.

52:26

All right, Lynn Well said, Well

52:28

stated, thanks for checking in and appreciate it. As

52:30

always Uh, I like that you make

52:32

the distinction. Uh, the institutions

52:35

that are certainly culpable here, and there were multiple

52:38

infractions and sanctions that are too

52:40

voluminous to go into tonight. But

52:43

irrespective of what happened and what

52:45

happened between Reggie Bush and his family and that agent,

52:47

he saw that he did in the field. And by the way, if he saw

52:50

Herschel Walker playing the day, oh my god, even

52:52

as a freshman, Herschel was

52:54

strong enough as a freshman to perhaps

52:57

win the Heisman Trophy, but they were never going to give it to

52:59

a freshman. And by the way, I

53:01

saw Barry Sanders at Oklahoma State just unreal.

53:04

Reggie was unwheel reel. And I'll tell you another guy that's

53:06

not talked about a lot. But if you just look at

53:08

his college numbers, google it, Marshall

53:11

Falk when he was in San Diego State could

53:13

be argued, based on what he did there, as

53:15

the greatest college running back of all time. But it's like

53:18

it's like your favorite noodle in a play of spaghetti.

53:20

We're never gonna agree, We're never gonna eat she It's all it makes

53:22

for a good conversation. We

53:25

want to hear from you eight seven, seven, nine, nine,

53:27

six sixty three sixty nine eight seven, seven

53:29

nine to nine one Fox. This Reggie

53:31

Bush conversation has

53:34

layers because if there are enormous

53:36

changes in the landscape of sports, it's

53:39

not just college sports, it's

53:41

professional sports as well, with the evolution

53:44

of legalized gambling, which is coming

53:46

up on its sixth anniversary. Holler

53:49

and James, you are up next. Eight seven,

53:51

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53:53

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Radio, coming to life from the Tarak dot com studios

54:20

here in Las Vegas

54:22

and from where I sit in Las

54:24

Vegas, it is, in fact the

54:26

midnight hour. I realize

54:28

we've got folks listening around the world

54:31

and around the country, but in Vegas

54:33

it's the midnight hour. Hence the

54:35

midnight hour, we go back to the phones. Howard

54:38

and James, thanks for your patience.

54:41

Thoughts on Reggie Bush.

54:43

Yeah, hollow James would like to come in on Reggie

54:45

Bush. But there's some other athletes

54:47

I'd like to comment on to one

54:50

in particular named Billy blanks By

54:52

Blank came on the college, came out of the high school.

54:55

He got me some fouble with law enforcement

54:57

over a Caucasian woman. Say

55:00

it was a racist incident. He supposedly

55:03

had sexual intercourse with

55:05

this woman. She claimed the rape.

55:08

He got in trouble, he lost his big

55:10

time contract. And another

55:13

thing about Reggie Bush, why

55:15

did they you know, when they stuck in the Heisman,

55:17

Sophie, why didn't they hold the institution

55:21

you know accountable?

55:24

Well they did, Oh no, they did. USC had all

55:26

kinds of penalties and sanctions, and Tete

55:28

Terroll left town.

55:29

They were they were to shut up lud

55:32

have an entire incections and

55:34

they were just to shut everything down.

55:37

Well don't see, I'll never do that again, hollering

55:40

James, because of what happened with the SMU and

55:42

the death penalty. But the

55:44

bottom line is with Reggie Bush, are you glad

55:46

he got his heisman back or not.

55:48

I am happy he got redemption

55:51

and received what was rightfully

55:53

his Any man that charrectified

55:55

his career, his NFL career,

55:58

with MLB career and DA career,

56:01

and get what this just what was to observe.

56:03

I'd rather do that in situations when

56:05

the Willow folks excuse me of a situation

56:08

that I was not even the part of it. I

56:11

didn't even know this crazy woman. I

56:13

didn't have her baby. I want to DNA

56:15

was her DNA TAKECAD no adoption. The agency's

56:18

gotten involved, authorities got

56:20

involved. There are some tip comes to my family

56:23

down in a bunch of mess, living in a group

56:25

of them the rest of my life living on poorn in

56:27

comes. You're not to fixed him? Coming o, Jay

56:29

Simpson, come on, get out of here.

56:31

Man all right, hollering James, thanks

56:34

for checking and appreciate you listening to the Bernie Frattle

56:36

Show. We all know that redemption is

56:38

good for the soul, and Reggie

56:40

Bush has gotten redemption.

56:43

Uh, Manuel in California, California's

56:46

a big state. What part of California are you in? Manuel?

56:49

Know what guard Diana?

56:51

I knew that my man. I just want you

56:53

know how you knew you already know?

56:56

What do you got for me to that?

56:57

Manuel Man change?

57:04

Hey, Uh, the guy's

57:06

a clown.

57:07

Bush is a clown.

57:10

He never apologized. You

57:12

know, he's one of these guys and nothing's

57:15

his fall, you know, And

57:18

you know that's been a common

57:20

theme as we see in a lot of

57:22

USC guys. I mean, what

57:24

are your colleagues on Fox Sports Radio,

57:27

Petris Papadakis has said that many

57:29

times like that, You

57:32

know, why didn't

57:35

he ever apologize like

57:37

he was.

57:37

In that Listen, hang on the line,

57:39

Hang on the line. Jason Cole, who

57:41

you hear on you know weeknights

57:44

with Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. He's

57:46

a great guest, he's a long time he's

57:49

a true journalist. Google Jason

57:51

Cole Reggie Bush and you could read his repartage.

57:53

That's the thing that bothers him most

57:56

that Reggie Bush never really was

57:59

remorse about what happened because to

58:01

the best of my knowledge, and I use the word allegedly because

58:04

I'm a wimp. Look,

58:07

he allegedly took money from an agent, never

58:09

paid it back, and he didn't use that agent anyway.

58:12

Continue on, Uh, you're

58:14

on an interesting track.

58:15

Man.

58:16

Well, you say.

58:17

Allegedly because you're a professional

58:20

Bernie, but I mean, look,

58:22

the guy.

58:23

Was a man.

58:23

R nd you're a man. Account

58:26

for your actions, you know what I mean, Like,

58:29

uh, you could state your case that

58:31

they're wrong for doing it or whatever

58:33

or not, but don't start pointing

58:35

fingers about oh this guy this institution

58:38

was doing this or adding the other, you

58:40

know, I mean, taking it like a man. And

58:44

it's funny to me how

58:47

this was not on the table

58:49

until some stupid campaign

58:51

last year of billboards in LA

58:54

which is a farce, which you know it's the USC

58:57

mafia basically putting

58:59

up money for something feeling

59:01

that.

59:01

They were wrong.

59:03

But the guy, he was out of line, man,

59:05

and there's no going back. We got people

59:07

in society everywhere, like you said, you were

59:09

saying a speeding tickets, but

59:12

hey, how about the people in California bus

59:15

from marijuana like you know in

59:17

other states too. I'm sure there's been

59:20

you know, in the days of prohibition, there was

59:22

guys locked up for that, you know, and

59:24

yeah, alcohol, guy, you know,

59:27

legalized, So you can't go back

59:29

as far as that. If you screw up

59:32

in the time, then there's a law. You screwed

59:34

up, you deal with the consequences

59:36

if you're a man. You said, the guy

59:39

made sixty three million. He never

59:41

offered to cover any kind

59:43

of stuff. I've never heard of any donations

59:46

he's made the se or his alma

59:48

mater, high school.

59:49

You know, maybe he has, but.

59:52

I don't know.

59:53

I've never liked the guy, and I

59:55

grew up as a USC fan, But the last

59:57

thirty years of USC, not only

59:59

in the football, but all the other

1:00:02

crap with the doctors and all that kind

1:00:04

of stuff going on, left me with

1:00:06

a bad taste in my mouth. I think

1:00:08

that they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

1:00:11

The heisman to me looks

1:00:13

like a.

1:00:14

Joke, you know.

1:00:15

Put a tent around it to

1:00:18

the yakty sacks, because those

1:00:20

guys are a bunch of clowns. Bernie,

1:00:22

keep up the good work, and he should

1:00:25

have never got it back.

1:00:27

Man, Well, great stuff is always don't be a stranger.

1:00:29

My man covered a lot of good ground there. I do

1:00:31

think there's an aspect to this that does leave a

1:00:34

bad taste in people's mouths

1:00:37

eight seven six three six

1:00:39

nine. Let's hear from you, and

1:00:42

we are not done with this. Reggie Bush thing, I'm gonna I'm

1:00:44

gonna go down a different road here in

1:00:47

a few minutes. Uh. And right

1:00:49

after Kevin's update, we'll

1:00:52

go to Andrew in Bakersfield. But I want

1:00:54

to read a tweet first from my man spocks

1:00:56

Weed said, Bernie, say,

1:00:58

what else do we forgive? Sin say everyone else was doing

1:01:00

it doping? Should we forgive Lance

1:01:03

Armstrong? Give him his wins back? Steroids?

1:01:05

Take Barry Bond's astis kawak again.

1:01:08

As I said at the top, it opens

1:01:11

a domino effect. And now

1:01:13

that we've opened that door, what do we do? Manuel

1:01:16

am it? Hank Tight, You're up next. But first

1:01:18

let's go back to our guy not

1:01:20

sure if he had any of Moms spaghetti tonight.

1:01:23

Kevin Wyatt with the latest mom spaghetti.

1:01:26

Man, that does sound good, but not tonight for me, unfortunately,

1:01:28

all right, chef so mom spaghetti in

1:01:30

Indiana. As the Pacers getting

1:01:33

the win in overtime over the Milwaukee

1:01:35

Bucks one twenty one one eighteen, Tyres

1:01:38

Halliburton in the final seconds, getting

1:01:40

an a wine to give the Pacers

1:01:42

the lead both in the game and

1:01:44

in the series two games to one, Halliburton

1:01:47

finishing with a triple double eighteen points, ten

1:01:49

rebounds, sixteen assists,

1:01:52

Chris Middleton in the loss and outstanding

1:01:54

performance forty two points ten

1:01:56

rebounds. Keep in mind, though the Bucks did not have

1:01:58

Giannis on the tonight Mavericks

1:02:01

over the Clippers one oh one two ninety

1:02:04

as Luka doncc and assists, shy of

1:02:06

a triple double twenty two points, ten rebounds

1:02:08

and at nine assists, and the Clippers

1:02:11

sloppy with the basketball nineteen turnovers.

1:02:14

As it is now the advantage

1:02:16

for the Mavericks two to one in that best

1:02:18

of seven series. Timberwolves, for the first time

1:02:20

in franchise history lead a series

1:02:23

three games to nine. They beat the Phoenix

1:02:25

Suns one twenty six to one oh nine.

1:02:27

Anthony Edwards thirty eight points

1:02:29

and at nine rebounds. Bradley

1:02:31

be A led the way for Phoenix twenty eight points.

1:02:34

He Kevin Durant and

1:02:36

Devin Booker with over twenty points, but really

1:02:39

no help from anyone else. In

1:02:41

the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs, we had

1:02:43

four playoff games today, the Rangers

1:02:45

a commanding lead over the Capitols

1:02:47

three to nothing after they get the three

1:02:49

to one win in Washington. Cannucks

1:02:52

over the Predators two to one. It is Vancouver

1:02:54

on top two to one in that series. Avalanche

1:02:56

over the Jets six to two, so it is Colorado

1:02:59

leading it too d one. Oilers demolished

1:03:01

the Kings in Los Angeles

1:03:03

six to one. Edmonton on top of that

1:03:05

series two games to one.

1:03:07

In some late baseball action, Giants

1:03:10

shut out the Pirates three nothing in San Francisco,

1:03:12

Phillies over the Padres nine to three, Mariners

1:03:15

top the Diamondbacks six to one. Twins

1:03:17

beat the Angels in Anaheim five to three.

1:03:19

Back to Bernie, all

1:03:21

right, thanks chef. Coming up, I'm

1:03:23

going to get into why exactly the

1:03:26

details why Reggie Bush's heisman

1:03:28

was strip. We'll take you back to two

1:03:30

thousand and seven, and what got the ball rolling

1:03:32

and why the reinstatement take took so long. Let's

1:03:35

go back out to the phones Andrew

1:03:37

from Bakersfield. What do you got man?

1:03:40

Hey, Bernie, I want to

1:03:43

tag along with Gilberto

1:03:45

in San Diego and say I became

1:03:47

one blind in twenty

1:03:50

eighteen. So I don't think I've ever seen CJ.

1:03:52

Stroud play, but your description

1:03:55

of him after

1:03:57

he won his first playoff game, was pretty

1:03:59

cool.

1:04:00

Thank you, sir.

1:04:02

All Right, now I just have a quick question.

1:04:05

If Reggie Bush took

1:04:07

money from an agent and then that agent

1:04:09

became his agent, was that okay?

1:04:13

Well, see he would It would have broken

1:04:15

the rules, but no one would have outed him. No

1:04:18

one would have this would have never come to light. You have

1:04:20

to remember and hang on the line.

1:04:22

The agent's name, it's my understanding, was

1:04:24

Lloyd Lake, and in two thousand

1:04:27

and seven he sued the Bush family for three hundred

1:04:29

thousand dollars. He claimed that

1:04:31

the family had accepted cash in living arrangements

1:04:34

for a two year period, and then when

1:04:36

NCAA investigators came down, he

1:04:38

cooperated. Do you think Lloyd Lake would

1:04:40

have talked if if

1:04:42

red you would have paid him back?

1:04:45

Right?

1:04:45

Okay, you're not wrong, You're

1:04:48

not wrong.

1:04:48

Look the old joke too wrong is don't make

1:04:50

it right? But two rights to ben an airplane. We just never

1:04:52

would have known about it.

1:04:54

Okay. So college athletes

1:04:56

at that time could take no money for anything,

1:04:58

right, No, okay.

1:05:00

Oh you know that.

1:05:03

Okay, thanks, all right.

1:05:05

Take thanks appreciating Andrew

1:05:08

and my man Olympia, Washington.

1:05:10

What's up? What's

1:05:12

going on?

1:05:12

Bernie?

1:05:13

How are you doing? You're doing wonderful.

1:05:16

So I just think with.

1:05:17

This, I mean, like you know, him like stealing

1:05:19

all the money, like like you know, were saying that the last call, he wouldn't

1:05:21

know. But like I feel like nowadays,

1:05:24

with like the climate of oh, these

1:05:26

college players they're going to get paid, I feel like for

1:05:29

that, you know, being a lot of the reason or whatever, they're

1:05:31

like, well, you kind of have to give it back because

1:05:33

now they're allowing players to give money or

1:05:35

to get money. So it's like it was a little

1:05:37

weird he was doing it with you know, with obviously

1:05:39

getting mind to his family. But I guess you

1:05:42

got to cover up somewhere. So I think some

1:05:44

of those things that, yeah, they kind

1:05:46

of did the right thing here. I mean, like, I

1:05:49

mean, it's literally the time now, like we've got

1:05:51

players making five mil in just for

1:05:53

being in college.

1:05:54

So the bottom line is due to these enormous changes

1:05:57

that the Heisman Trust alluded to,

1:06:00

you figure time has come. It's okay

1:06:02

for Reggie to have his heisman back, correct,

1:06:05

I mean, yeah, exactly, Okay, all right, fair enough,

1:06:07

it's all part of the opinions. We got some really damn

1:06:10

good ones tonight all around the map.

1:06:12

Eight seven seven, nine, nine, six,

1:06:14

sixty three sixty nine. For more, I said, it is the midnight

1:06:16

hour here in Vegas. We will take your calls for

1:06:19

another twenty five minutes. But let

1:06:22

me reset this a bit, because

1:06:25

I want everybody to understand what's really

1:06:27

taking place here. Reggie

1:06:29

Bush had his heisman stripped in twenty

1:06:32

ten because

1:06:34

right after Reggie won the heisman, there

1:06:37

were rumors. There were reports that

1:06:39

illegal cash and benefits from agents

1:06:42

had found its way to Reggie

1:06:44

Bush, and these rumors

1:06:47

started to really surface and get into the public

1:06:50

ether. Part of the allegations

1:06:53

were that Reggie Bush's parents lived rent

1:06:55

free in a house paid for by an agent.

1:06:58

One In two thousand and seven, an agent by

1:07:00

the name of Lloyd Lake. His

1:07:03

name now became part of these allegations.

1:07:06

He sued Reggie Bush and his family for

1:07:09

I understand it to be around three hundred thousand

1:07:11

dollars. Lloyd Lake asserted

1:07:15

that Reggie Bush's family accepted the cash.

1:07:18

They accepted the living arrangements for

1:07:20

a little less than a

1:07:22

two year period that ended

1:07:24

in January of twenty oh six,

1:07:28

and Lloyd Lake

1:07:31

apparently agreed to cooperate

1:07:33

with NCAA investigators regarding

1:07:36

this matter. Now, somewhere

1:07:39

along the line, it says that Lake

1:07:42

settled with Bush in twenty ten. However,

1:07:46

Bush never did sign with Lloyd

1:07:49

Lake's agency. All

1:07:51

of a sudden, this grows into a full blown NCAA

1:07:54

probe into USC. And

1:07:57

you know, they looked into you know, Reggie Bush as

1:07:59

dealing with the agent and the biggest headliner.

1:08:01

And also, by the way, OJ Mayo was also

1:08:04

investigated. And in twenty ten,

1:08:06

this is when it really got crazy. USC

1:08:09

was hit with quote a lack of institutional

1:08:11

control citation regarding

1:08:13

Reggie Bush and Oj Mayo, and

1:08:16

they USC received massive

1:08:18

punishments. There's just no way

1:08:21

about two ways about it. USC

1:08:23

was forced to vacate the final two wins

1:08:26

of their twenty oh four national title season

1:08:29

and all of their wins in two thousand and five. USC

1:08:31

also suffered tremendous

1:08:33

scholarship reductions and a two year postseason

1:08:36

ban. By the way, the two thousand

1:08:38

and four Trojans, as you know, were ultimately

1:08:40

stripped of the national championship by

1:08:43

the BCS, although the AP still

1:08:45

recognizes the USC, but most relevant, the

1:08:48

Heisman Trough Trust said

1:08:50

we're gonna take Reggie's Heisman

1:08:53

Trophy away as well. That's how

1:08:55

all this happened. That takes you back to two

1:08:57

thousand and seven. Fernando las

1:09:00

Vegas. Good evening, my friend. What are your thoughts

1:09:02

on Reggie Bush?

1:09:04

Hey, Bernie, good topic. I

1:09:07

believe at that time he was dating

1:09:09

Kim Tardashians, So I think he needs

1:09:11

some bucks.

1:09:14

You're saying she's not a chief. Dat's what you're saying.

1:09:17

That's right, Yeah, all right, but

1:09:19

you know, I'm glad he got his trophy back.

1:09:21

In the NCAA, they

1:09:23

like to pick and choose because you

1:09:26

know, if you go back in time, go back,

1:09:28

look at Sam Gilbert u c l A.

1:09:30

Oh boy, you're not wrong, you

1:09:32

know, go.

1:09:33

Ahead, Duke University

1:09:36

built up at Kansas and others. And

1:09:40

what I want the NCAA to do is to

1:09:43

give the nineteen ninety

1:09:45

five u c l A football team back the title.

1:09:48

That's all I want.

1:09:50

Well, you know I don't. I don't

1:09:54

start start the parade for Nando. And

1:09:56

look, you bring up an interesting point.

1:09:59

Uh did you have anything else do you want

1:10:01

to say? Or was that it?

1:10:02

But what would you see la that football

1:10:05

team ninety five? The issue

1:10:08

change scholarship for two

1:10:10

seasons, took

1:10:12

away the national title on the football team that

1:10:15

year.

1:10:15

So interesting, all

1:10:18

right, frenad I always appreciated man. Thank you. Look,

1:10:20

it's the old joke about and

1:10:22

maybe I can get my man marked the team up here.

1:10:24

But there's the old joke about

1:10:26

the guy driving eighty

1:10:29

miles an hour on the freeway

1:10:32

and a policeman pulls

1:10:34

up behind him, turns his red lights on, and the next

1:10:36

thing you know, he's getting a ticket. And

1:10:40

the guy looks at the cop and says, hey,

1:10:42

man, what are you doing. Everybody else on the freeway

1:10:45

speeding? Why'd you why'd you single

1:10:47

MEA cop says, well, you're the only one that pulled

1:10:49

over. Thanks Mark.

1:10:52

You get the point. There are probably a

1:10:54

thousand stories in the Naked City out there

1:10:57

in these situations. But

1:11:00

again, Reggie Bush has came to light because

1:11:02

the agent who was legedly

1:11:05

owed the money said I'm not taking this land

1:11:07

down. So you know why

1:11:10

Reggie got it taken away? Why

1:11:12

did the reinstatement take so long. We'll

1:11:15

dive into that as well as well as more your

1:11:17

calls eight seven seven

1:11:19

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1:11:44

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1:11:48

Hence the midnight hour. We are

1:11:50

taking your calls eight seven, seven, nine, nine, six,

1:11:52

six three sixty nine talking about Reggie

1:11:55

Bush. You're glad he got his he has been back. What

1:11:57

are your thoughts or do you have

1:12:00

a different viewpoint? Back out to the phones.

1:12:02

Dan in Houston joins us, Dan, what

1:12:05

are your thoughts tonight on the READI bus situation?

1:12:08

Hey, Bernie, It's I

1:12:10

don't know, I'm torn.

1:12:12

I mean, the hypocrisy of the whole

1:12:15

system is it's just

1:12:17

starting to well up, you know,

1:12:19

and it's like, I really

1:12:22

didn't like that he wouldn't pay the money back

1:12:24

and then he didn't show any remorse. So

1:12:27

those are really big for me. But

1:12:29

then the I don't know, the whole

1:12:31

system where it's like bureaucrats

1:12:35

and then they first they

1:12:37

decide something, then they're not sure, and

1:12:39

then it's enough to make you nuts.

1:12:41

I mean, like you were saying about other

1:12:44

athletes like Pete Rose and stuff. What

1:12:46

do you think Pete Rose does every night when

1:12:48

he sees on MLB and they open

1:12:51

the attached a case and say

1:12:53

win my money and stuff, and he's thinking,

1:12:56

oh, yeah, what what is the what

1:12:58

is the hell's going on now? You

1:13:00

know, I don't know. It's just

1:13:03

the whole hypocrisy. And then the whole

1:13:05

thing. Let's remember two

1:13:07

men saved MLB. It

1:13:09

was Sammy Sosa and

1:13:12

Mark McGuire. Okay, but then

1:13:15

they and they promoted it

1:13:17

because they had done

1:13:20

the atomic bomb when they

1:13:22

blew up the World Series and wouldn't do the

1:13:24

playoffs, and I mean, they

1:13:26

were going under and if it wasn't for

1:13:28

those two guys who saved their

1:13:31

butts. And then all of a sudden,

1:13:33

after they used them a while, then they said,

1:13:36

oh my gosh, you're using steroids.

1:13:38

Come on, man, you just you

1:13:41

milket them and then you threw them away, and

1:13:44

it's it's a hypocrisy, man. It

1:13:46

just starts to really just cook

1:13:48

your brain.

1:13:49

You know, damn good call. Don't be

1:13:51

a stranger. You covered a lot of good ground

1:13:53

there. And I would just say this that

1:13:56

it causes you to scratch your head for the

1:13:58

simple reason that you

1:14:01

look at Reggie Bush and he

1:14:04

is getting his heisman back. Yet he was

1:14:06

not contrite yet if you look at the reports

1:14:08

and why it took so long. Back in twenty

1:14:10

twelve of a judge overseeing a different

1:14:13

case for a running back coach at a US

1:14:15

named Top McNair wrote that he thought

1:14:17

that the Bush investigation

1:14:19

appeared malicious. All right, well,

1:14:21

I don't know about all that, but there are

1:14:24

varying opinions. Then you get to Pete Rose,

1:14:26

and you have to ask yourself, after thirty five years

1:14:28

in Goulag, there's a servingy fruitful purpose

1:14:31

anymore to keep Pete Rose at least off the ballot

1:14:33

and give him a chance to let the people speak, because

1:14:37

sports betting is legal now. And

1:14:39

you're right, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa

1:14:42

saved baseball. They all had these cartoon botties.

1:14:44

We all winked and looked the other way, including

1:14:47

me. I was on the airwaves back then.

1:14:49

We knew what was going on. I was

1:14:51

in the locker room in the clubhouse in

1:14:53

nineteen ninety eight in Detroit during interleague

1:14:56

play, and I saw Andrew Steen die own my own

1:14:58

eyes on Mark McGuire's locker. The

1:15:01

bottom line is baseball

1:15:03

was being saved a home run chase. We all winked

1:15:05

and benefited from it. So can

1:15:07

you have it both ways? No, you can't, But that's where

1:15:09

we are at. So it

1:15:12

is confounding. Dan Good Good

1:15:14

points you brought up don't be a stranger

1:15:16

on Friday nights.

1:15:18

Ian.

1:15:18

You got some thoughts on Reggie Bush. Let's hear him.

1:15:21

Yeah, I'm

1:15:23

glad he got it back to be hon like in

1:15:25

the first place. I don't think he should have had it taken

1:15:28

away just because of the fact that him

1:15:30

accepting that money, it didn't affect anything

1:15:33

he did on the field, you know, So it's

1:15:35

just a punishment for the sake of you

1:15:38

know, punishing him. It's not, you

1:15:40

know, trying to fix

1:15:43

anything he did wrong in punishing him, if

1:15:45

that makes sense.

1:15:46

And Zell certainly agrees with you.

1:15:48

Yeah, right, he's honestly, it

1:15:50

seems like a big part of why this happened. But you

1:15:53

know, standing on the table for him and stuff. But

1:15:56

but the thing with Bush is he's such an icon

1:15:58

in college football.

1:15:59

Like he he.

1:16:01

Made so many people, myself included,

1:16:04

fall in love with the sport of college football.

1:16:06

You know, I remember watching him.

1:16:07

You know, in those Let me ask you a question, though,

1:16:10

Ian, because here's what I

1:16:12

think, and I know the listeners are gonna hear this and

1:16:14

go, come on, man, nobody drive

1:16:16

off the road. This is Reggie's

1:16:18

quote. Quote. I want to make it abundantly

1:16:21

clear. I've always acted with integrity and in accordance

1:16:23

with the rules and regulations set forth by the NCAA.

1:16:26

The allegation was brought against me were unfounded

1:16:28

and unsupported by evidence, and I'm grateful

1:16:30

the truth is finally prevailing. Does that sound

1:16:32

like an accurate statement.

1:16:33

To you, No, it doesn't.

1:16:35

And and the fact that he doesn't feel

1:16:37

remorse, to be honest, yeah, that does rub

1:16:40

me the wrong way a little bit, just because like

1:16:42

it's like, you know, how hard is it to just even if

1:16:44

you don't think you did it wrong, how hard is

1:16:46

it to just be like, yeah, I'm sorry, you know, and now

1:16:48

you're getting it back anyway. But

1:16:50

but you know, that

1:16:53

is another matter entirely

1:16:55

in my mind like that whether he

1:16:58

feels remorse is irrele in

1:17:00

terms of like whether he deserved to be punished

1:17:02

in the first place, because to me, like I

1:17:04

was saying, like, he's such an icon in college football

1:17:07

and obviously that shouldn't protect you from

1:17:09

from punishment and stuff.

1:17:11

But it's it's just the fact.

1:17:13

That he don get. I think you're

1:17:15

right, Ian, and I get. I want to let Kevin Wayne,

1:17:18

I get that. It's there

1:17:21

are two separate issues. You have to hold two thoughts

1:17:23

concurrently. What he did on the

1:17:26

field has nothing to do with what

1:17:28

transpired in terms of this age,

1:17:31

and so you sort of have to hold

1:17:33

those those two thoughts concurrently. But I will tell

1:17:35

you contrition and remorse school a

1:17:37

long way, and I think it bothers people that

1:17:39

he doesn't seem to be accountable. And I encourage people

1:17:42

to read Jason Cole and what he

1:17:44

wrote about this situation. Kevin

1:17:46

Wyrett, you got the last word.

1:17:48

Yeah, I think it's long. It's

1:17:51

been a long time coming for Reggie

1:17:53

Bush to get his Heisman trophy

1:17:55

back, given how things one have changed in the NCAA

1:17:58

and two just looking back on how on

1:18:01

how petty the whole situation in regarding

1:18:03

to what players can receive, what compensation

1:18:05

in their families can get for the name, image

1:18:08

and likeness, especially knowing now

1:18:10

that it's a big part of college athletics.

1:18:13

I just don't think it makes sense for him to

1:18:15

not be recognized for the achievement

1:18:17

he has. And I say this as a guy who grew up as

1:18:19

a USC hater and celebrated

1:18:21

to the fact that USC got punished for it. But

1:18:24

in the time since then, I have

1:18:26

recognized that it really was

1:18:29

an unjust action

1:18:32

by the NCAA, by the Heisman Trust

1:18:34

to one revoke him of his trophy and two

1:18:36

for the NCAA to you

1:18:40

know, vacate the wins, reduce

1:18:42

scholarships, bull band all of that stuff.

1:18:44

So they erased him from college football.

1:18:46

Yeah, they basically did. Guys, you're not

1:18:48

wrong. You're not wrong. And

1:18:51

I guess we can now say after twenty

1:18:53

years or he lost it.

1:18:54

No.

1:18:55

Seven, Perhaps it just serves no fruitful

1:18:57

purpose to deny him the Heisman

1:18:59

anymore. Do I think USC will

1:19:01

be having their vacated

1:19:03

wins restored by the NCAA. No, I

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here from Steve Rodriguez, and I agree Bernie.

1:19:47

The Rams had an awesome draft. He gave

1:19:49

him an ame minus edge Jared Vers

1:19:52

from Florida State. I call that out

1:19:54

on Twitter. I hate to be that guy, but

1:19:56

Peter Schrager said there was no way the Rams were gonna

1:19:59

draft defense. He always draft defense. I

1:20:01

said, I don't know, my man, With all due respect, I'm

1:20:03

getting tipped off. That's gonna be Jared Verse. This

1:20:06

year. They're gonna go defense. Well, they need

1:20:08

an edge rusher. They need a lot of things, but they need

1:20:10

an edge rusher. And they got a

1:20:12

couple of good defensive players. Braden Fiskey

1:20:14

from FSU at all also

1:20:16

I saw, I mean he transferred from I

1:20:19

believe it was Western Michigan. Don't

1:20:21

hold me to that. They El's got Blake Krhum

1:20:24

and Cameron Kitchens from Miami. These

1:20:26

are guys are going to step on the field

1:20:28

now and produce none

1:20:31

of this. Michael Pennix Michigan,

1:20:34

so good, good stuff, Steve, have we forgotten

1:20:38

The Lakers and Nuggets tip

1:20:40

it off about sixteen

1:20:43

hours, seventeen hours from now, sixteen and a half, sixteen

1:20:45

hours and forty five minutes whatever. The

1:20:48

Lakers are staring in

1:20:50

the face the possibility

1:20:53

of getting swept in

1:20:55

back to back years. I

1:20:58

will tell you this is it

1:21:00

ain't gonna hurt. I don't think it's gonna really hurt Lebron's

1:21:03

legacy, which I couldn't give two

1:21:05

craps about. I don't think it's gonna help it

1:21:07

either. It's a humbling situation. The

1:21:11

Nuggets. You simply have their number,

1:21:14

okay, and

1:21:17

the Lakers have two Hall of Famers on their team,

1:21:19

and Lebron James and Anthony Davis. They're

1:21:22

getting their butts swept. The

1:21:24

Nuggets have got the Lakers

1:21:27

down pinned. It's like big

1:21:29

brother and little brother. You know,

1:21:31

a little brother wrestled them for a while, got

1:21:33

a couple double digit leaves, blew the

1:21:35

leads. Lebron, with his usual

1:21:37

vacuous words, Salad complained about the referee,

1:21:40

neatly ignoring after Game two

1:21:42

that the Lakers had blown a twenty point lead and

1:21:45

oh, by the way, Ad was scoreless in the fourth

1:21:47

quarter. Look, I'm balanced. It's been a pretty

1:21:49

good year for the Lakers. Okay. Lebron played over seventy games,

1:21:51

theyd played over seventy games. They

1:21:54

got into the plane. I

1:21:56

wonder if Lebron still wants the guy who came up

1:21:58

with the playing tournament fired Dad it. But

1:22:01

be that as it may. We kept

1:22:03

being told, well, you know they got swept last year. About

1:22:05

you know, they're really competitive, it would be careful.

1:22:07

Come on, they don't have Denver's depth.

1:22:10

They don't have their talent, they don't have their

1:22:12

connectivity, they don't have their resume, they

1:22:15

don't have their culture, they don't have any of that. Okay,

1:22:17

but not necessarily backing the

1:22:19

Lakers. Remember the Denver Well

1:22:21

maybe I am, but Denver is defending

1:22:25

champ and well deserved, right, But

1:22:27

when you're up twelve points in game one

1:22:30

and you're the Lakers and you

1:22:32

blow it, you're up twenty

1:22:34

points in game two, and

1:22:37

you are up ten points after

1:22:39

the first quarter of Game three, what

1:22:42

are you doing? I mean, is Denver just toying

1:22:44

with you? On

1:22:47

Thursday, Denver went up three

1:22:49

to zero by beating the

1:22:51

Lakers one twelve, one oh five. They're eleventh

1:22:53

straight win against the

1:22:55

Lakers both, you know, if

1:22:58

you include regular season and postseason. And

1:23:02

I believe the last time the Lakers

1:23:04

actually beat the Nuggets was in December,

1:23:07

December of twenty twenty two. By the way, yeah,

1:23:10

been a minute, been a minute. So

1:23:13

what are my thoughts? What are my observations? You

1:23:16

could certainly see this in Game three.

1:23:20

Mentally, as the game went on, the

1:23:22

Lakers just looked perplexed, and

1:23:24

they looked mentally spent, mentally

1:23:27

spent. They started

1:23:30

out Houseifier Anthony Davis,

1:23:32

Dunk, Ruby, Hotchimura, dunk

1:23:35

Lebron James Flush.

1:23:38

They were pissy, they were feisty,

1:23:41

they were mad and angry

1:23:43

and aggressive, and they got out to a lead.

1:23:46

That's how the game started on

1:23:49

Thursday night. How

1:23:51

did it end? As the game wound down

1:23:53

in the fourth quarter, go back, and don't

1:23:56

take my word for it. Look at the Lakers' body language.

1:23:59

They Denver's in their head.

1:24:03

D'anngela Russell misses a wide open

1:24:06

three and people are booing them off the court.

1:24:08

And if you notice Lakers

1:24:12

call time out, d Angela Russell walks over

1:24:14

there, doesn't get in the huddle. Huh.

1:24:17

Lebron dribbles the ball off his knee

1:24:19

and the ball goes out of bounds, long

1:24:22

and short of it is as the game went on.

1:24:25

In Game three, I

1:24:27

believe mentally, the Lakers just

1:24:29

simply ran out of bullets and

1:24:31

they folded like a cheap

1:24:34

chair. You couldn't do a

1:24:36

damn thing from behind the ark. They missed twenty

1:24:38

two to three pointers, They couldn't

1:24:40

keep a first half lead, and

1:24:42

the hometown faithful, I think, is starting

1:24:45

to get well they did Thursday

1:24:47

night, really edgy.

1:24:51

They just looked at this and they say, well,

1:24:53

we see this for what it is. We're

1:24:56

done, and

1:24:58

you really shouldn't be that surpriz. But

1:25:02

the truth of the matter is, you

1:25:05

start to think about the cumulative

1:25:07

effect of

1:25:09

what Denver has done to the Lakers

1:25:13

in the past sixteen to seventeen

1:25:15

months. Maybe I can get man

1:25:18

marked the TV up on this. I'll tell you a little story.

1:25:20

Okay, think about what might be

1:25:22

going on in the Lakers game

1:25:25

in mind, because the previous six playoff

1:25:27

games were competitive, but after

1:25:29

three quarters you could see Thursday

1:25:32

night that this was going to be different. Okay,

1:25:35

they just couldn't do anything right. D'Angelo

1:25:38

Russell did make a three pointer when

1:25:40

like two or three quarters didn't even score a

1:25:42

point. Defense started

1:25:45

to fall apart in the paint. When

1:25:47

you look at that, those are the signs of perhaps

1:25:51

knowing in your mind you're

1:25:54

done. You've accepted it. Like the joke

1:25:56

about the guy

1:26:00

he uh checked that, a young

1:26:02

lady walks by this pet

1:26:04

store, and in the pet

1:26:06

store there's this talking bird, a parakeet,

1:26:10

and this young lady walks by, and

1:26:12

the parakeet says, hey, lady.

1:26:15

She says, what you're ugly?

1:26:18

All she thinks that's cute and adorable. She's,

1:26:20

you know, talking bird. Right, the

1:26:22

next day, the lady walks by the pet store and

1:26:24

bird says, hey lady, what

1:26:27

you're ugly? The second day

1:26:30

wasn't so funny. She kind of gave the bird a dirty

1:26:32

look. The third day, she walks by the

1:26:34

pet store and the parakeet

1:26:36

says, hey, lady. She says,

1:26:38

what you're ugly? That's

1:26:40

it. She walks into the pet store, seeks

1:26:43

out the proprietor and says, I don't appreciate

1:26:46

walking by your pet store

1:26:48

every day and having your parakeet. You're

1:26:50

talking, parakeet, tell me I'm ugly. The

1:26:53

owner apologizes profusely and says

1:26:56

I'll talk to him and make sure that doesn't happen again.

1:26:59

The fourth day, the lady walks

1:27:01

by the pet store and

1:27:04

the parakeet says, hey

1:27:07

lady, what you

1:27:11

know, Oh

1:27:14

darn mark, I was hoping you'd have something for me there. All

1:27:16

right, thanks think

1:27:18

about that, though that's analogous here.

1:27:21

By the time the second half ruled around Thursday

1:27:24

night, the Lakers just looked different. You

1:27:26

don't have to be Fellini to see their body language.

1:27:28

They know, they know they're they're cooked.

1:27:31

They may not admitted verbally, and

1:27:33

I guess you know Lebron and one of his gratuitous

1:27:36

postgame interviews, we always have to hear Lebron comment,

1:27:38

no matter what you know, world affairs postgame,

1:27:41

he said, quote, we kind of lost

1:27:43

track of the attention to detail that we had

1:27:45

in the first half. You think, by

1:27:48

the way, one of the strategies that failed miserably,

1:27:50

I think Thursday Night was

1:27:53

the later You know, remember the old hackashack when the Laders

1:27:55

tried to bait Yoki

1:27:57

into getting into foul trouble. You know what, it worked.

1:28:00

This is the reverse of the hack a shack. Somehow

1:28:03

Anthony Davis in the first five minutes

1:28:06

managed to draw

1:28:09

a couple of quick files on Yokick

1:28:13

and then he didn't get his third foul until

1:28:15

early in the third quarter. But Kive Mike Malone

1:28:17

credit, he had faith. He never he never, you

1:28:19

know, lost faith all

1:28:22

right, So it might just look like it

1:28:24

was going to work, But in the end it really didn't work because

1:28:26

I don't know how the Lakers capitalized

1:28:28

on the situation, because

1:28:32

you know, even if Yokick started to

1:28:34

play a little passively or left the game for

1:28:36

more files, the Nuggets

1:28:38

were just not in trouble even when

1:28:40

Yokick was not on the floor. Uh,

1:28:43

you know, Denver did they

1:28:45

didn't. They didn't fold, they didn't, they didn't

1:28:47

quit. Michael Porter Junior, Jamal Murray, Gordon,

1:28:50

they all stepped up and

1:28:52

that all of a sudden, that's twelve point Laker lead

1:28:55

just became ten, then eighth and

1:28:58

fourth, and then finally

1:29:01

they got to sit Yokick for three minutes

1:29:03

in the fourth quarter. And this

1:29:05

is when you knew, this is the telltale sign

1:29:07

for me, the Lakers were

1:29:09

done like dinner. The Nuggets lead

1:29:12

increased when Yokick

1:29:14

was on the floor for three minutes in

1:29:16

the fourth quarter. Look

1:29:18

across the floor, you see

1:29:21

a confident team, a team that has the

1:29:23

mindset of a champion, the culture

1:29:25

of a champion. Mike Malone sat that

1:29:27

best after the game, their head coach quote, every time we

1:29:29

get down, we don't panic, We stay together. We

1:29:32

find a way to get back into the game. Winning championship

1:29:34

has brought this group tremendous

1:29:37

confidence. By

1:29:40

the way, if you watch the

1:29:42

Nuggets play, and I will watch every

1:29:44

minute of the game Saturday night, there'll be a storyline

1:29:46

anywhere it's sliced. The

1:29:49

pick and roll between Murray and Yokick

1:29:51

has become a thing of beauty.

1:29:54

Denver used that last

1:29:56

year. It got him a championship. You

1:29:59

got a big man who's unstoppable. Think

1:30:01

what you want about Yokic. You can't stop

1:30:03

them, period. And

1:30:05

you got this pesky, plucky

1:30:08

guard and Jamal Murray

1:30:11

and they recavoc on defenses. And

1:30:14

then you get Aaron Gordon involved. He's

1:30:16

a tremendous paint presence. He was in college

1:30:18

at Arizona and he is in the

1:30:20

NBA. And because of what Murray

1:30:23

and Yochi are doing, they're opening up space on

1:30:25

the floor for Gordon. He gets lobs,

1:30:27

he gets back door passes, and he just

1:30:29

takes it to the rim and dunks. And

1:30:33

the truth of the matter is Denver

1:30:37

and watching Aaron Gordon take advantage of these

1:30:39

opportunities has

1:30:42

raised their eyebrow and it's given him even more

1:30:44

confidence, by the way. I you

1:30:46

know, when Game three started, I kept asking myself,

1:30:49

why does Denver always start out in this

1:30:51

lull? It just seems they do. You

1:30:54

could clearly see in Game one and home at halftime,

1:30:57

clearly seeing Game two in Denver at halftime,

1:31:00

the Nuggets were not playing their A game.

1:31:03

When they play their A game, I mean, if

1:31:05

they played their A game from the jump, I think they

1:31:07

just it would be it would be even worse. And

1:31:11

it started again sort of on

1:31:14

Thursday night that as

1:31:17

we got deep into the first quarter, go they're doing

1:31:19

it again. What do you what are you doing your home now?

1:31:22

Then all of a sudden, Denver woke up, the

1:31:24

sleeping giant woke up, and they just started to dominate.

1:31:27

Okay, And it wasn't just Joki

1:31:30

Chan Murray. They had four players scored more than

1:31:32

twenty points. It was a true complete win.

1:31:35

Everybody contributed. You saw

1:31:37

that championship chemistry.

1:31:39

You saw the Nuggets using their teamwork, their

1:31:41

connectivity, their familiarity. They got the open

1:31:44

looks, they got the easy baskets.

1:31:46

And when Denver decides they really want

1:31:48

to play defense, when the situation

1:31:51

demands greatness, they do

1:31:53

it. They do it. They're they're

1:31:55

five heads thinking is one and

1:31:58

oh yeah, oh, by the way, yok it was very quiet.

1:32:01

He almost had a triple double the other night. And

1:32:05

one of the things Yoka gets credit for, certainly

1:32:07

amongst his teammates in NBA people

1:32:09

in the know, that he's one of the

1:32:11

brightest minds in the NBA. He's

1:32:13

a basketball savann the way he moves

1:32:16

with him without the ball, the things he does, He's a phenomenal

1:32:18

passer. He could do it all. He

1:32:21

can do it all. So you

1:32:25

tell me, would

1:32:27

you lay money that the Lakers

1:32:29

are going to win four straight games

1:32:31

against Denver, a team that

1:32:34

has not lost to the Lakers since December of twenty

1:32:36

twenty two, including regular season

1:32:38

and postseason, the team that's beating the Lakers eleven

1:32:40

in a row. Oh, by the way,

1:32:42

in the NBA, if you're scoring at home, or even if you're by

1:32:45

yourself, in any best of seven

1:32:47

series, in the history of the playoffs, when

1:32:49

you go down to and oh check that three

1:32:51

and oh three zero

1:32:54

in the best of seven, it's happened

1:32:56

one hundred and fifty one times zero

1:32:59

team have come back from that. Okay,

1:33:04

As for which role players

1:33:08

are going to step up for the Lakers

1:33:11

Saturday Night, your guess is as good as mine.

1:33:14

And there are already screens about

1:33:17

Darvinham. I think Darvinham will be back. Just an

1:33:19

opinion. I don't have any inside information on this, just

1:33:21

an opinion. We'll talk about this with Mark Mondina

1:33:24

Saturday night, Medina Magic of Midnight. But

1:33:27

you know you're looking at it, looking at the team that won

1:33:30

the playing tournament. They're

1:33:33

looking at the they're staring in the face of

1:33:35

not only a first round elimination. They're

1:33:38

staring in the face of back to back sweeps to end

1:33:40

the season. Uh,

1:33:42

and I think you have to ask yourself there is a change?

1:33:44

Is there a changing of the guard? If you don't know

1:33:46

it by now, there is. And

1:33:49

and by the way, it's not just Lebron, it's Kevin Durant,

1:33:52

It's it's it's Giannice. If there's such a thing,

1:33:54

I don't know about Giannis. And I

1:33:56

love the heat culture. By the way, Celtic Culture

1:33:58

are going to take this shot at Celtic Cults.

1:34:01

They're four and seven at home in the playoffs in the last

1:34:03

eleven games, and there are nine and a half point

1:34:05

underdog a favorite in Miami on Sunday,

1:34:08

so hey, the playoffs resume. Those

1:34:10

are my observations about the Lakers and Nuggets.

1:34:14

If this is a fight, they would have stopped it. We'll

1:34:16

see if the Lakers can steal one at

1:34:18

home Sunday night, Saturday night,

1:34:21

just to extend the series. We'll

1:34:23

see. Even if they do, it

1:34:25

looks like we're on our way to a gentleman's

1:34:28

sweep. We'll be talking about it Saturday

1:34:30

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posted right after we get off the air. You

1:34:50

know they're already talking about this

1:34:53

being in a historic draft, because

1:34:55

well, there are six quarterbacks drafted

1:34:59

in the first round, in the first

1:35:01

twelve picks. But that's not the

1:35:03

first time this has

1:35:06

happened. Let's have a little

1:35:08

fun. Let's take a little stroll down

1:35:10

memory lane. Friday was April

1:35:12

twenty sixth. Here we are now

1:35:14

into Saturday. When I signed on set Friday

1:35:17

night at eleven pm Pacific time here in Las

1:35:19

Vegas. It was April twenty sixth, forty

1:35:21

years to the day. Forty years

1:35:24

to the day, there was another

1:35:26

famous NFL draft and

1:35:28

there was a big time run on quarterbacks, six

1:35:30

of them, column six of them. We'll take

1:35:32

it down memory lane and share with you some of

1:35:34

those names of which you are going to remember.

1:35:38

I'm Bernie Fraddle. We are coming to you live from

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Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right

1:35:47

back on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports

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Radio. Come to your live from the tiracht dot com studios

1:35:52

here in Las

1:35:54

Vegas. Chopping

1:35:56

it up. Some thoughts

1:35:59

about the six quarterbacks

1:36:02

that were drafted, not only in

1:36:04

the first round, but in the first twelve picks, a record

1:36:07

setting draft. I mean, we started out

1:36:09

with fourteen straight offensive

1:36:11

players being drafted. Of

1:36:13

the first twelve picks, six were quarterbacks. Of

1:36:15

the first eight picks, four were

1:36:17

quarterbacks. And Saturday night, We're

1:36:19

going to

1:36:22

take a heavy, deep dive into the

1:36:24

history of why and how

1:36:26

drafting a successful NFL

1:36:29

quarterback is. It's an inexact

1:36:31

science and it's an inexact art, and I've got

1:36:33

a lot of data for you. The

1:36:35

harsh reality is that the chances

1:36:40

for success just to get to

1:36:42

the playoffs much less as Super Bowl for quarterbacks

1:36:45

drafted in the first round. It's daunting.

1:36:47

It is daunting. I'm

1:36:51

not going to cast aspersions on any of these six

1:36:53

we'll see, but believe it

1:36:55

or not, there's sort of an economy

1:36:57

and that teams saw

1:37:00

to not only draft six quarterbacks in the first

1:37:02

round, they drafted them the first twelve picks. Yet

1:37:05

there are actually figgerly significant

1:37:07

questions if you get into the weeds on all

1:37:09

six quarterbacks. We are also going to dive into

1:37:11

that heavily on

1:37:14

Saturday night. But it

1:37:16

it conjures

1:37:18

up memories of forty one years

1:37:20

ago, April twenty six, nineteen eighty three, when

1:37:23

I signed on Friday night had eleven

1:37:25

pm Pacific here in Las Vegas. It was April twenty

1:37:27

six, Well, forty one years ago, April

1:37:29

twenty sixth, nineteen eighty three,

1:37:32

there was an NFL draft, and

1:37:35

simply put, there was a hell of a run on quarterbacks.

1:37:38

It was a quarterback hall. Forty one years ago.

1:37:40

The start of the nineteen eighty three NFL Draft

1:37:44

featured what would become multiple

1:37:46

star passers in the annals

1:37:48

of NFL history. Started

1:37:50

out by John Elway going number

1:37:52

one to the Colts, which

1:37:55

pissed off as Dad, which

1:37:57

pissed off John. They said, mister

1:37:59

ersay, we told you not to take us, and now he got

1:38:01

nothing. He went and signed with the Yankees. Well,

1:38:03

you know, he found his way to Denver,

1:38:05

and you know what, happened there and mel

1:38:08

Kiper kind of ripped the hearsays and blah blah

1:38:10

blah blah blah. But John Elway went

1:38:13

number one overall. I bet you've heard John

1:38:15

Elway. He won a couple of Super Bowls.

1:38:18

Followed by quarterback out

1:38:20

of Penn State named Todd Blackledge. Sure

1:38:23

you've seen him in the media, but he had a very

1:38:25

serviceable career with the Kansas City Chiefs.

1:38:28

Followed by Jim Kelly. Yes, that Jim

1:38:31

Kelly, who went to the USFL

1:38:33

was a gun slinger literally for

1:38:36

the Houston Gamblers of the USFL, but

1:38:38

ended up with the Buffalo Bills. Went

1:38:40

to four Super Bowls. Can't take it

1:38:43

away from him. Tony Easton out of Illinois

1:38:45

was then drafted by the New England Patriots, was part

1:38:47

of a team that got to the Super Bowl

1:38:49

in nineteen eighty six Super Bowl twenty lost,

1:38:51

of course to the Bears forty six

1:38:54

to ten. And Kenny O'Brien out of

1:38:56

E. C. Davis went to

1:38:58

the Jets. People might

1:39:00

have scratched their heads about that, but he became

1:39:02

a pretty good NFL quarterback. And then

1:39:05

last but not least, Dan Marino went

1:39:07

to the Dolphins, who ended up

1:39:09

really benefiting because even

1:39:12

though he never won a Super Bowl, he did go to one. And

1:39:15

I think he benefited because he went

1:39:18

to a team that had been to the Super Bowl the year before,

1:39:20

so he had a great roster and he went to

1:39:22

play for Don Shula, who was a true quarterback whisper.

1:39:24

And oh, by the way, not only that, he

1:39:28

didn't have a hell of a lot of pressure. Okay,

1:39:30

you don't know that Marino coming out of pit versus what the

1:39:32

Marino became, but he got regardless,

1:39:36

that's a pretty good haul. John Elway, Todd Blackletch,

1:39:38

Jim Kelly, Tony East and Kenny O'Brien and Dan Marino.

1:39:40

Elways rights, as I said, were later traded to

1:39:43

Denver always spent sixteen

1:39:45

full years in Denver. But this

1:39:47

is a group that not only shaped the NFL

1:39:49

on the field, but shaped the NFL

1:39:51

off the field. By the

1:39:53

way, following that draft,

1:39:56

eleven of the next sixteen

1:39:58

AFC teams to make the Super Bowl were

1:40:02

quarterback by one of those guys. John

1:40:04

Elway, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly.

1:40:06

Oh yeah, they all made it to the Hall of Fame. Three

1:40:08

of them made it to the Hall of Fame. It

1:40:11

also kind of changed the NFL's

1:40:13

culture to more passing centric, and

1:40:15

it also put more fans in seats,

1:40:18

and it put more fans watching on TV, and

1:40:21

it created certain roots in the NFL that

1:40:23

have never gone away. Pluser was a real business

1:40:25

impact from those six quarterbacks. John

1:40:28

Elway later became president of football

1:40:31