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action. Again, Welcome into Unbreakable,

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Glazier. My guest today. He

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has had a hit song and Coco.

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He's had a song that Beyonce's used

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in Coachella. He's had a song that we'd using an

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iPhone commercial and usually

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during the week you could find him trying to

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punch me in the face, the one and only Ot

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Genesis.

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How we doing, bud?

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Oh, good, brother, I'm good. Good that

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for an intro Hell was a great intro am.

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I far off on anything. No,

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you're good, You're good. It's

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pretty cool, you know. You know we've been trained now

1:27

to get it for shit? How long? About

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five years? Six years? Like six years

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before COVID, right before COVID, May before.

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COVID, two years before cold.

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Right by the way, Ot is the only

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guy that come to my birthday party with a gift

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for me of Don Juliu in nineteen forty two.

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And then drank my entire birthday gifts.

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The greatest rod.

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So don't invite him to your apartments. FA. But

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man, we become brothers obviously.

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And you know we've trained all these

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years. We sweat, we bleed together.

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But I never asked you, and

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I don't know why because I usually get always

2:04

going through this early. How you got your start?

2:06

Where to start?

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It started? It started in Long Beach, come

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originally from Loan Beach. But it started

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off like doing like I was, like doing

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talent shows and everything like that.

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What age are we talking here.

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I'm at this point, I'm around fourteen

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fourteen, But I always had love for music. And

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you know, back then, we used to they used to have music videos.

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That's what we always lock intol. We watched music videos

2:30

before we go to school. And you always like, I

2:33

want to be like that guy. I want to be like that guy. But

2:35

in like in my city, like the man was

2:37

Snoop, like Snoop who we looked up

2:39

to. And so you know, I

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bought some equipment, had a producer, bought some equipment.

2:45

Used to go to high school, you know, inside

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the classrooms. I used to always write raps

2:50

inside the classrooms. So I'm always getting in

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trouble. You're

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always writing writing wraps inside the classrooms,

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you know, dischital school, doing all kinds of stuff like that.

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I say, at the age of like fifteen, a

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year after that of me like working

3:05

with you know, pro tools and everything like

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that with me and my boy in the garage.

3:10

And so now we start making up these songs that

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only we like, only we enjoyed,

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you know, because if you record it, you're like, have

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you heard what we did last night? Even if it was trash,

3:19

you know, it's like the fact that we recorded

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the song was the dopest thing ever. So

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I got into this, this talent show. They should do

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talent shows out here in hollyo

3:28

in Hollywood. Actually it was this

3:30

guy who his name was went by. The name was Sean

3:32

Heay. He had shows. What they would

3:35

do was they would get the artists in order

3:37

to pack up, like fill the room.

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They would have every artist sell ten

3:42

to twenty tickets for ten dollars each. So

3:45

basically you send it, you sending that to your

3:48

family members, your friends or whatever, and

3:50

then they probably have like twenty

3:52

artists performing that night. But then everybody

3:55

is sending like selling their tickets

3:57

to ten or twenty tickets. Now

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got a pack you know, pause

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backed house, and now it was like time for you to

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perform, So they give you a slot. You

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go perform. I used to crush it even though without

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you know, without everybody even knowing my song, you

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know, And it was just like I was always great

4:14

at performing. It went from

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there to me staying at it

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a few years later then, but so.

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So how many years So this is like how

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many years of you just doing this?

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This is like working

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at your craft for no one's watching that's what people don't get.

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They think there's an overnight sensations.

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Yeah, before I would say like that was

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like seven seven eight years

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seven, eight years yeah, yeah, like

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you know, perfecting my craft. And

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then my mom told me one time, she was like,

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yo, what, like why are you doing this?

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You're living in a fantasy world. You know, your

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cousins want to rap, everybody want to become rappers.

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You guys got your pants hanging off

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your ass.

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So my mom was not going for none of it, and

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she wasn't wrong.

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She wasn't.

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She was like, now, why you.

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Just don't go to school? Cause my mom has her master's

5:05

So why you why you just don't go to school? Why

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you just can't be Why you just can't be like

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like your like your like like her brother's kids.

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She always like, why do you guys to get da da da da? You always

5:14

want to rap and everything. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, man, no,

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you don't know how good I am. But she

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wasn't worried about knowing how good I am because she

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you know, she even like really messed with that, you

5:23

know, and I'm just like all right, whatever. So

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it's maybe like eight years later, seven eight

5:29

years later, I'm doing another

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like talent show. It wasn't the talent show. It was

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a club. Actually is it?

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Is it like open mic night type of text?

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Yeah? Yeah yeah. So I'm

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performing and some

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guy talked to me after. He said, Hey,

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who you signed to. I'm like, I'm not. I'm not you know, I'm

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not signing nobody anything like that, like a can

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I have your number? I'm like, yeah, no problem. So

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he was like, yeah, I may got something like you have a

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manager. I'm like, no, I have a manager either. He's

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like okay. So I

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get a call like two

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weeks later, and it was like my manager

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at the time. His name was Dino, and

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he's like, hey, I really like this song that you

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got. H We're gonna try to work something out,

6:10

like let's talk about management. I'm like, okay, no

6:12

problem. But I didn't really care about

6:14

I didn't really know what a manager was. I just thought that somebody

6:17

that was trying to take your money. I

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didn't know what it was, you know, I just know I was rapping,

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That's all I knew. I'm helping my

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friend move, and I'm

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helping him I'm moving to helping move his stuff out of his apartment.

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He's about to get a new place. So it's like

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a Saturday helping him move. My

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phone is going off the hook. My phone going off the hook,

6:34

going off the hook. I don't know why, but

6:37

I'm like I'll get to that later. We still

6:39

got stuff in the truck and we moved, got the frigerator, picking

6:41

up the frigerator, my phone is just really or whatever.

6:44

So I pick up the phone and

6:46

then uh Dino course, he's like, yo, fifty want to get on

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the phone show. I'm like fifty fifty, you're talking

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about fifty. I'm like fifty cent.

6:53

Yeah, he's going to get a phone with you. I'm like hell

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nah, you know. So

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he's like no, because I'm like I'm blowing help.

7:03

I'm moving refrigerators right

7:05

now. So he said, yeah,

7:07

give me a minute. So you're

7:10

on the three way. He has like assistant.

7:12

He's like, yeah, hey, are you doing ot?

7:14

Yeah?

7:15

Go you and fifty assistant.

7:17

So it's me my manager

7:20

at the time, fifties assistant, and

7:22

the fifty assistant about about to put fifty on the phone.

7:25

So he's like, yeah, this got really

7:27

interesting. Fifty said hold on one second.

7:29

I'm like all right, He's like, yo, I'm

7:32

like and if you know fifty and you well, you

7:34

know you're familiar with the news, You're like, oh,

7:36

that's fifty on the phone. So

7:39

now me and fifties talking

7:42

and he cracking jokes the whole time. He's like, look, I'm

7:45

gonna sign you to a deal. Ye, I'm gonna sign you to a

7:47

single deal and see how that goes. And

7:49

at the point at that time, I didn't even know what this single deal

7:51

meant either. But basically, if you don't know what the single

7:54

deal is, like, I'm signing you to one

7:56

song right here, like, you know, for for a single,

7:58

not an album, not a couple of years,

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not about one song. And we see how this is going,

8:03

you know whatever. So now

8:05

I'm happy. He's like, I know what you're gonna don't

8:07

go back to your hood telling everybody you're super rich,

8:11

because I know that's what she's gonna do.

8:13

And I just started laughing.

8:14

He was like, he was like, you know what, I'm gonna come to La.

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I'm gonna come see you. I have a mixture

8:19

meeting with Part one or six and everything like

8:21

that, so I'm gonna come see you. Just pull up to the meeting in

8:24

Santa Monica. I was like, okay, cool, so we do

8:26

that. We get to the deal finalized,

8:30

shoot some videos, go out there, run around

8:32

with him and Floyd. That's when him and Floyd maybe it was

8:34

like super super tight and

8:37

fly out there, run around, do a couple of shows

8:39

everything.

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So what was the song?

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It was a song called the song was called Jackie

8:44

Jackie Chan at the time, right, I

8:46

was basically saying like, like we all

8:48

used to say that we stunt, but it was another way

8:50

of saying, you know, we fly. You got the flys

8:52

cars. I would saying I stunt, and I was like, I

8:54

stunt Jackie Chan. But yeah, anyway,

8:58

so that happened. And then and

9:00

you know, he was doing his sk headphones

9:02

and everything like that, and so I was like,

9:05

you know, he was real busy. So the song didn't

9:07

really do what it was supposed to do.

9:08

Wait, waita back up before you even like, this

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is what I want people to understand too.

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I want to know. I want to get educated. You have fifty

9:15

seven coming out to do a

9:17

deal with you. How

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do you go learn how to do a deal with fifty

9:22

cent?

9:22

Yeah? Well, obviously from the

9:25

my manager at the time, and my lawyer.

9:27

It was just like, you got a lawyer,

9:30

you got it, You went and got someone.

9:31

Yeah, did you.

9:32

Have a lawyer? And tell me you like, oh shit, I gotta do something. Fifty

9:34

cents, I got to go hire a lawyer.

9:36

Yeah.

9:37

Yeah.

9:37

I was like, you know what I'm going, I gotta go give you a lawyer because

9:39

I don't know how this, you know, I don't know the verbiage

9:42

or anything. So I got

9:44

a lawyer. Obviously helped my

9:46

My manager helped me, you know, find the right

9:48

lawyer, found a lawyer, and then you know,

9:51

he explained to me what everything

9:54

meant. And I still didn't know to what

9:56

everything meant, but I kind of had a clue and

9:58

I was okay with it. It was just

10:01

like, after the deal was done and the

10:03

song was out, it did what

10:05

it what it done, I'm kind

10:07

of like, what's next, what we're

10:09

doing? You know. But but

10:11

at that point, me and him just had a real good

10:14

friendship, you know, at that point, so it was just

10:16

like, okay, cool, it was just a single deal.

10:18

So that's twenty eleven. So

10:22

I just stayed hustling and stay grinding.

10:24

So wait, so it didn't do what you were hoping it did.

10:28

Tell me, like, how did you coach

10:30

yourself up through that? Cause that's in a way

10:32

it's heartbreaking, right you think here's my big break,

10:35

and man, it's still not there.

10:36

And I just said, look, I've had it.

10:38

It took me eleven years to get my first full time job

10:41

covering the NFL. And every

10:43

time I thought I had something, I

10:45

think the year five, I gotta hire brother the New York Post.

10:47

I'm like, here we are, here's my full time job.

10:49

Man.

10:49

I got nine grand a year for the New York

10:51

Post's all. I got nine thousand a year. And

10:53

the editor is like, where else you gonna go?

10:55

You got no experience, No one

10:57

else is gonna.

10:58

Hire you where everybody else is in eighty nine, year

11:00

one hundred, we're giving your ninth outs two hundred fifty

11:02

bucks a story for whatever.

11:05

However many stories that was nine thousand

11:07

dollars. And I had a lot of those moments I

11:09

thought I made my big break and I hadn't yet.

11:11

So how did you get yourself through that? The

11:13

break, but the disappointment, not

11:15

not no, not not being what you thought it was gonna be.

11:18

Yeah, that's the that's one of the that's

11:20

one of the scariest things because you're

11:22

like, you're super excited

11:24

thinking life is going to go one way, and

11:27

you're actually thinking it's going to go one way because

11:29

you're like, this is something that you've

11:31

never experienced and it's something

11:34

that you dreamt of and it's

11:36

happening. So for it

11:38

to be happening but still not happen

11:41

is like it's so tough to

11:43

deal with, you know. So it was times when

11:45

I was like, dang, like they don't mess

11:47

with me like that, like, well we could do

11:49

this, and I'm always questioning myself.

11:52

I had the question I was questioning myself like was I good

11:54

enough? And I was like when I sat back and

11:56

I was like, you know what, I'm

11:58

good. This is this is what it is is, and

12:00

I just gotta keep I gotta keep going at it, keep working,

12:02

gotta keep working.

12:04

You got to build yourself up.

12:06

Well, your dreams are kind of yeah,

12:09

tinkering back and forth, which is a lot of guys

12:11

they.

12:11

Just wouldn't walk away from that.

12:13

Yeah, And that's how I think separates people like you from

12:15

all those cats that don't make it.

12:16

Yeah. Yeah, it's tough, you know, but

12:19

you really, you really really got to fight to

12:21

get what you want. This is one guy a long

12:24

time ago. I'll never forget it. This was

12:26

a time when they had like MySpace out and everything

12:28

like that, and I

12:30

wanted to do music and

12:33

I used to see him hanging with all the celebrities

12:35

and everybody. But I knew him, you

12:37

know, and I'm like, how can I

12:39

get there? And he told me.

12:42

He told me something very simple. He said,

12:44

just keep working. And I never knew. It

12:46

just sounded so cliche to me, so I was like,

12:49

like, that's all you're gonna tell me is keep working.

12:51

But it's the truth. It really is

12:53

the truth. How like how simple

12:55

and cliche that sounds. It's like, no,

12:58

keep working, you know, it

13:00

just sounds like, you know, it's like I'm looking for

13:02

Like I don't know what I expected him, right,

13:07

but that is you.

13:08

And I've talked about I tell people all the time, Lick,

13:10

if you want to be the best, find

13:12

out who the best is and do more than them.

13:14

That's it.

13:15

That's the big secret, right, There's nothing

13:17

else. Find out what they do and do more

13:19

than them. And people look at me. Our football players

13:21

are coming all the top and I'll find it right, and I'll just say

13:24

that my finding who the best is your position and

13:26

do more, And they're like same thing, Like

13:28

that's where you can tell me, Yeah, you want to be great

13:30

quarterback, Let's find out what Tom Brady does and

13:32

do more than them. Yeah,

13:35

right, the best defensive end, do more than them,

13:37

best linebacker do more than them. And

13:39

the number of people to that have said to me,

13:42

I can't do that, Well, there's

13:44

your answer right there.

13:45

Yeah. Yeah,

13:47

you gotta lock in. You gotta lock in. And

13:50

so I'm just saying consistently,

13:52

I'm just working, working, twelve

13:55

come by, thirteen, comes by.

13:58

When it gets to like twenty fourteen, and

14:00

I'm in the club like hammered

14:03

wasted, And I

14:05

had a song called Touchdown at

14:07

the time and it

14:09

was really like big regionally, especially

14:12

around like La and everything

14:14

like that. And so that's when I ran into Bus

14:17

Rounds at the time, and he was telling me he

14:19

wanted to do a deal with me, and I was

14:21

like, all right, so you know, let's

14:23

go, you know, let's go talk. So we went

14:25

to the studio, we talked about it, and

14:28

we did a deal with Atlantic.

14:31

So I got him a label deal over there. He got

14:33

a label deal through me Atlantic

14:35

Records, and so we

14:38

did that deal way back.

14:40

I want to I don't want to just bloss silver.

14:42

That's what you're looking for, right, that's like, oh my god,

14:44

that's that's not one song deal.

14:45

This is uh yeah, yeah, yeah that's it.

14:47

You talk about a touchdown escort

14:50

it, you know, touchdown Yeah

14:52

yeah yeah, take you behind your

14:54

eyes of like, oh my god, it worked

14:57

so hard. You kept working and now you

14:59

got tell.

15:01

Me what they felt like it

15:03

felt. Really, I was like, damn,

15:06

I'm like, it's happening again.

15:08

You know, I don't trust it.

15:09

Yeah, yeah, like damn, it's happening

15:12

again. Okay, So but

15:14

I was. I was so excited because I'm you

15:17

know, I walked in and I was.

15:19

I walked in the label meeting and it was like there's

15:22

so many producers

15:24

and artists and DJs,

15:27

A and r's presidents that

15:29

I that I've done research

15:32

on just from me being an artist and

15:34

trying to figure out who's who to get my music

15:36

to who to And I'm seeing all these people

15:38

in one room and they're all like, yo,

15:40

we think he's so dope. So this

15:43

is the top of fourteen. Now,

15:46

this is what happens. So

15:49

they gave me some money. They

15:51

gave me some money. Jay, when I

15:53

tell you, I was going crazy.

15:56

I'm I'm over there getting

15:58

champagne over here, getting this over

16:00

there, doing that to where I'm

16:03

not even working. You know, it's

16:05

kind of like I lost I lost

16:07

myself, you know. I you

16:10

know, I touched some money that I never touched in my life.

16:12

And I'm like, I'm just having fun with

16:15

that.

16:16

You're like, I made it.

16:17

I made it.

16:18

I made it.

16:19

But I'm like, I know I made it, but

16:21

I'm like, damn, I'm not working. So

16:23

these are there's there's months going by, months

16:26

going by, months going by. From January

16:28

it got to maybe it got to maybe September.

16:33

From from January to September, I didn't

16:35

drop nothing. And so my

16:38

A and R gets on the phone and

16:41

he spoke to my manager, and

16:43

I want to know what the conversation is about.

16:45

My manager was like, look, basically, what they're saying

16:48

is in December, they're gonna drop

16:50

you. I was like, they're gonna drop me. It was like, yeah, you

16:52

ain't put out no music, you know what I mean. You ain't put in no

16:54

music or nothing, like they're gonna drop you. And

16:57

I'm like, damn, okay, I got to tighten up. So

16:59

I type up, I lock in. I say, you know

17:01

what, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta chill, gotta chill. I'm

17:04

recording, and uh

17:06

I recorded Coco this

17:08

one night, and so I

17:10

recorded. I'm like, oh, that's the one that's

17:12

hard, right, And so

17:15

now I have another song. And

17:17

this is why a lot of the time, I say,

17:20

you gotta trust your gut. You know, you can't really

17:22

let people think for you. If I take

17:24

an l I'm okay taking the al that I wanted

17:26

to take rather than somebody put me

17:28

in that position. And I took a So now

17:31

I have another I recorded Coco, But then I have another

17:33

song, this is September, and

17:36

have the other song that they were really interested, like the label

17:38

was interested in. They was like, you know what, We're

17:41

gonna shoot this video. I said, you know what,

17:44

all right? Cool? Shoot the video

17:46

big, like a huge production,

17:49

you know, like huge. They had to spend at at

17:51

least like three hundred thousand this

17:54

video, right, the video is crazy,

17:56

And I'm like, damn, this is like a I

17:59

look like, I'm an artis now I know now

18:01

I look like I'm an artist, you know, so

18:04

I'm super excited the

18:06

video comes out. I hated

18:08

it. I was like, what

18:11

what happened to this? What happened to that? What happened

18:13

to this? Well happened to that part? And that's when I

18:15

started learning greatively, like the

18:18

editor is just important

18:20

as a director, you know, and how

18:22

you edit your shots, because there were so many dope

18:25

shots that I saw and I was like, why is that not in

18:27

there? Why is that not in there? And it

18:29

was a thing where the director was

18:31

sending to the editor,

18:34

and so the editors, you know, right now

18:36

I feel strongly, like I feel strongly about

18:39

it's his vision instead of yours exactly,

18:41

and he wasn't even here now,

18:43

he's just getting something and just putting something together.

18:45

I hated they was like, and then Bussell was like,

18:48

what do you mean, Like, Yo, this is

18:50

correct? I'm looking really crazy right now

18:52

to even He's kind of like, you don't even have no

18:54

room to say you hate it? What

18:56

do you mean you hate it? And so I'm

18:58

like, I don't like it. What do you want to do? Because

19:01

I got something else that I recorded the other night,

19:04

and he was like

19:06

he was he looked at so sick. I'm

19:08

like, yeah, man, I got something else.

19:11

So we go and

19:14

go to the projects and go shoot

19:16

the Coco video.

19:18

Did they have to drop another three hunderground for that?

19:20

No? No, no, that was free.

19:23

That was look.

19:32

We go shoot that video and the

19:34

second I put it out, it changed

19:37

my life instantly. Boom just spread

19:39

like wildfire. I mean, I

19:41

would say, Jay in two

19:44

and a half weeks, I was already

19:47

doing shows everywhere in two

19:49

and a half weeks. I went in two and a half weeks.

19:52

I started off in New York and I

19:54

saw so many people there,

19:56

but I only got one song. You know, I

19:59

saw so many people there and

20:01

it's like it's sold out all

20:03

of them. They're like all the shows in

20:05

New York showed out because we got to see that

20:07

guy. So most of the times

20:09

you'll go people will have like a

20:12

long run with a hit record, that have a long run

20:15

in the US, and then they go overseas.

20:17

I was going overseas before

20:19

I was finishing my US run, so

20:21

overseas they were grabbing me over there, and

20:24

like when as far as to book me, you would

20:26

have to book me three months in advance. Wow,

20:29

that's how much I was booked. And I was booked

20:31

every single day. And so there

20:34

will be times where I'll go

20:36

to that not not there

20:38

like all the time. Actually, I'll

20:40

go to a city and say, if I go to Miami. When

20:43

I go there, you know, some people are like, well, you can't

20:45

perform at this potder, you can't perform at this powder whatever.

20:48

You know, when I get there, I'm performing

20:50

at every single spot. I don't care if I was

20:52

across the street last night, I'm across

20:55

the street tomorrow because

20:57

they knew that I wasn't coming back. You know, like,

21:00

once he performs here, he's gone. So

21:02

if he's coming the way that the way the routing

21:05

is set up is if he's coming to Miami,

21:07

he probably won't be in Miami again for

21:09

a long time because he suck because everybody

21:11

wants it.

21:12

You're there because you're famous because the one song. But

21:15

are you then doing other songs?

21:16

All the songs? Yeah, I would do. I would do other

21:18

songs that people you know, don't know, not

21:21

familiar with, you know, and

21:23

then they'd be like, yeah, they'll look at me like this,

21:25

and then that comes on boom

21:28

boom. Are you see is cell phones? People

21:31

everybody giving over there? I performing

21:33

like five times in a row, you know what I

21:35

mean, like and get the same response. So

21:38

yeah, so that was that was it. That was wow.

21:40

Youve make advice to young rappers

21:43

performers who was in your

21:45

position when you got first got signed by Fitty

21:48

or and got this deal and you said, you went out and

21:50

spent all that money and just went

21:52

after me.

21:53

If what you now know.

21:56

Could tell the ot genesis advice

21:58

when you got signed actually by Buster Rhymes,

22:01

and you just went out and spend all that money instead of working

22:03

your ass off, what would you tell that

22:05

yellow tea?

22:06

It would be like a everything

22:09

would be all right, man, you

22:11

know what I mean, everything everything

22:14

to be all right. You know, I'm we tend to

22:17

always uh be you know, getting nervous

22:19

and scared obviously, like we're like

22:21

sometimes I gotta calm myself down because

22:24

I'm like, when you're in the know and you don't

22:26

know what's going to happen next, that's when

22:28

we get really you know, we're getting nerved.

22:30

Living in question sucks. That's anxiety.

22:32

Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, Like.

22:34

That part right there sucks, especially

22:36

if you know it already sucks. But it really

22:38

sucks when you feel like I'm doing everything right,

22:42

or you feel at least you feel that you're doing

22:44

everything right, it kind of sucks because

22:46

you're like, damn, I just I just hope this

22:48

happens, you know. But yeah,

22:51

so I.

22:51

Want to go back.

22:52

Also, when you get time by Fiddy, do

22:54

you get money upfront or is

22:56

it based on sales of what he does?

22:59

I would get get money up front. It wouldn't

23:01

be that much. That much.

23:02

Now go back to the hood telling everybody wretch, no,

23:04

no, is

23:07

there a lot of money when you first signed that big record

23:09

deal when you signed with Buster or does

23:12

it come?

23:13

That was a lot of money right there? It

23:15

was. But then but then what you don't

23:17

know, what people don't know is you have to pay that back. You know,

23:20

oh you do oh show it's an advance

23:22

in advance. Yeah, it's an advance, like

23:25

you know what this is your this budget,

23:27

this is it. But you know you pay it back through your sales,

23:30

you know what I mean? And everything like that.

23:32

But if they cut you though, like you said, they

23:34

were almost going to cut you if you didn't start coming out with stuff.

23:37

You still gotta pay that back.

23:38

Or I wouldn't have to pay it. I would

23:40

have just been But I wish they would

23:42

have cut me because if they if they would have cut

23:44

me right then and there, then all that money, one hundred

23:46

percent of everything would have been mine.

23:49

Yeah, but you wouldn't have had Cocoa out there. Video

23:52

Yeah no.

23:53

But but but the thing is when

23:55

it happened, it just it just happened,

23:57

like I just put it up on YouTube and

23:59

it just went so that they

24:01

didn't even work it at radio. Yet, they didn't work

24:03

it at any It just went oh

24:05

okay.

24:06

I didn't realize that part.

24:07

Oh So that's what That

24:09

was the craziest thing about that record,

24:11

because that record just shot like

24:14

wildfire after that.

24:16

Again, you have a little success there, but a lot

24:18

of success with Coco. What was the

24:20

thing that your next step? I guess where

24:22

you're like, oh man, no, okay, I'm stringing

24:24

some things together here.

24:25

I'm kind of a big dealer out here.

24:27

Yeah. I was always thinking that, you know, I was

24:30

like, you know what, I'm a big deal. But everybody kept saying,

24:32

Yo, what's next, What's next? What's next? Just

24:34

you do what They're like, oh, yeah, did you hear the one hit wonder

24:36

things? You heard all day? So

24:39

you know, I just buckled down. And then I

24:42

had a song called cut It right

24:44

after that and I

24:46

dropped it when double plattinum right out the gate

24:48

really yeah, So

24:51

so I just know I was on fire then. You

24:53

know, it was like that can't stop me. Now.

24:56

So when you when when you're hearing the one hit wonder

24:58

stuff, is that scary

25:00

you more? Is it motivated more?

25:02

It's motivating in a way, but then it's kind of it's

25:05

kind of scary because you kind of like you

25:07

you don't know what somebody else is going to think

25:09

about your music. You know, you

25:11

know, I know that this song doesn't sound like this song. This

25:13

song mean I sound like this song and this song mean I sound like

25:15

this song. So you're you're you're you're really

25:18

you're really like it is

25:20

motivating, but it's like, uh, maybe

25:23

this can go wrong because it's not full control

25:25

exactly. You know.

25:28

Yeah, the really days of my career, I would

25:30

think I couldn't understand why someone

25:32

went like

25:34

it was eleven years of getting turned down and rejected,

25:37

and I'm like, so I knew.

25:39

I knew I built a better mousetrap than everybody

25:41

else.

25:42

Yeah, I learned just because you build a better mousetrap

25:44

doesn't mean everybody wants to buy it.

25:46

That was hard for me, right right

25:48

right. It's kind of like, oh

25:51

if if somebody

25:53

says said that to me, and I was a basketball player,

25:55

I'm like, Okay, I can't wait to get the ball, right,

25:58

you know what I mean. You're in full control of that, yes,

26:01

But in here it's like it's like, oh wow, we

26:03

have to you know, we got we got

26:05

to hear it. If we like it, we like it, we don't, we don't.

26:08

What's the coolest thing that's happened to you on

26:10

your journey in your career.

26:12

I would say the coolest thing that happened to me would

26:15

be like me performing

26:17

and watching people like cry. I

26:19

ain't seen nobody cryins Michael Jackson. No.

26:24

I was in I had a show and

26:26

uh it was in uh in Taiwan,

26:29

and I'm seeing men and then crying,

26:32

you know what I mean, Like, oh my god, you know what

26:34

I mean. You when I get off the plane, they're like,

26:36

oh wow, you know what I mean? And that that part right,

26:38

there is like it's super super dope because

26:41

you're looking at yourself and you're like, damn, I work so hard.

26:43

But then I'm I mean so much

26:46

to somebody who I don't even know.

26:48

That's cool.

26:49

That's that's yeah, that's that's you lifting

26:51

people up and being of service now,

26:54

but just doing something you love that's

26:56

the ultimate prize.

26:57

Yeah. Absolutely, that's pretty samn cool.

27:00

What's the biggest thing that's happened, Like a

27:02

celebrity that's recognized you I'm a big

27:04

fan and you're like, oh my god, this just

27:07

happened.

27:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah, my mine. Uh,

27:10

it would have to be well, of course,

27:12

of course Beyonce. But as far as

27:15

like sports, I would have to be. I would

27:17

have to say

27:19

he came, he came to me in the club. He was like,

27:22

yo, you to go. I was like what

27:27

you gotta know what that felt like to You're like, what are

27:29

you talking about? You know?

27:33

I'm like, Yo, this is the dude that crossed mic

27:37

you know what I mean telling me I'm the go. So

27:40

yeah, like, as far as like sports would

27:42

have to be, you have to be him, Like I'm cool

27:44

with you know, with Lebron and all

27:47

the guys too, But the one

27:49

that came like for somebody to come up to me

27:51

and be like, yo, you the go bro, you

27:53

just don't know you just I'm telling you right now,

27:55

you that I like having that full conversation

27:58

with me for like thirty minutes.

28:00

It was like a I, how

28:02

did it come that? Beyonce use your song? Like how's

28:04

that for? How does that go down?

28:06

And yeah, this.

28:07

Is crazy because I had a show in

28:09

North Carolina. I'll never forget I had a show in North Carolina

28:12

and then I had an after party

28:15

appearance and so I

28:17

did the show, I had an after party

28:19

appearance. When

28:21

I was driving to the after party was like an hour

28:24

out and so I'm

28:26

in them. I'm going in the car and

28:30

my phone is going crazy, but I keep once

28:32

again it's like I'm just ignoring everybody. So

28:35

I'm ignoring everybody because I'm on my phone

28:37

is on the ox scord when I'm playing music, So I'm

28:39

just ending everybody. Who's you know what

28:41

I mean, who's calling im? I got

28:44

a long drive. I'm trying to you know, trying to stay

28:46

you know what i mean, turned up. So I'm in

28:48

the person, in person and in person in. I

28:50

keep us in And then my brother had text

28:53

me. When my brother text me like, yo, you see

28:55

Beyonce, I was like, what are you talking about?

28:57

TEXTINGIM like, what are you talking about? She's like, sho

29:00

in the Coachella stage right now. When I

29:02

looked at my phone, my phone was crazy.

29:04

My Instagram was crazy. It was bumble

29:06

bees everywhere. Everybody

29:08

put this whole beatiping was bumble bees everywhere,

29:11

all over my phone, all over my taste. Everybody

29:13

has seen me. I'm then I I look at

29:15

the I go look at the show. I

29:17

was like, never, it

29:19

looked just so crazy, bro, I couldn't even

29:22

believe it.

29:22

So you didn't know going into it she was gonna use your

29:24

song. I didn't

29:26

notice at all. I didn't know back

29:29

it up, you hal fiance does

29:31

one of your songs? You have no idea doing that?

29:33

No, I didn't know at all. I didn't know at all.

29:36

So that was the thing. And then later

29:38

she reached out to management and asked

29:40

can they use it throughout the tour and

29:44

we was like, hell, yeah, you can't.

29:45

Even did

29:49

you ever talk to her about it?

29:51

I know, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't talk to her about

29:53

it still this day.

29:55

No, still to this day, you kidding reach

29:57

out to o T You gotta be kidd

30:00

really.

30:01

Yeah, I performed at her her

30:03

show, but DJ Kelly brought me out LA

30:06

they had to on a run tour. I performed

30:08

at twice I think twice on her tour, but

30:11

I still haven't met her yet.

30:12

That's unbelievable, man, unbelievable.

30:16

So what do you again, I don't know your

30:18

business. Do you get paid when she sings

30:20

your song? It's just like, hey, more people know who

30:22

I am, so I can pay it that way.

30:24

It was she she would raise the streams up

30:26

and everything like that. So yeah, I do get paid because

30:28

she's awareness, you.

30:30

Know, she raised the streams.

30:32

It was a crazy so because when I dropped

30:34

the song. When I dropped that

30:36

song, everybody mad. I dropped

30:39

it, but it sounded totally different from like the regular

30:41

club song that I would do. But I thought I

30:43

always thought it was dope. So when I dropped it, all the DJs

30:45

were like fronting on it, like, oh, but that don't sound like the

30:48

regular old TV you know. Two months later,

30:50

Beyonce does this wow, you

30:52

know, and then it just goes everywhere.

30:54

That's unbelievable. Dude. That's a cool story.

30:58

Hey, when we're training and you better

31:00

come with some better material like stories like this, you

31:03

gotta chime in into your part. Believe

31:07

I've been friends you for six years.

31:08

I ever do this. That's

31:11

unbelievable. Again.

31:12

You and I are man brothers

31:14

for training partners. We hit each other

31:16

in the head quite a bit, but we open up to each

31:18

other a lot. And that's what's great about our place. Unbreakable.

31:21

That's what's great about having a fight

31:23

team and a team is like man, you

31:26

you just lean into your brothers and hard

31:28

times and you and I bride each

31:30

other pretty much, you know, And that's just beautiful

31:32

about what we have.

31:34

Over there and unbreakable.

31:35

Tell me just you know, I was talking about

31:38

mental this mental wealth, but

31:40

kind of you know, going and building your mental health

31:42

or your physical health leads more

31:44

to mental wealth. What's the since

31:46

we started training together? What's training done for you?

31:49

Mostly physically?

31:50

Everything?

31:51

I love. I love the training. I love the training.

31:54

It's so so important to me. It's

31:56

so important that even when I

31:58

I'll fly do a show and lie

32:00

in and fly in,

32:02

get off the plane, drop my bags

32:04

off, brush my teeth, and then go train. You

32:07

know, it's it's so addicting, but it's it clears

32:09

my mind, super clears

32:11

my mind. I'm always I'm always ready

32:13

for the next step after I train helps

32:16

me so much emotionally. Obviously,

32:19

everybody in there are like great people.

32:21

You know, I haven't I haven't been

32:24

inside the gym where you meet somebody and you

32:26

go, damn, that person's asshole.

32:29

It's me. That's

32:33

what that's what the sparn is for. And

32:37

so and man, it's

32:39

just great people. Man, good

32:41

energy, good vibes

32:44

and physically man. Always I'm always

32:46

right, like I go to certain places

32:48

to go damn. We know you were kind

32:51

of jacked up like that.

32:52

I'm like, yeah, man, what you

32:53

like.

32:56

Some of the some of the football players that come

32:58

in don't break it with like, damn team

33:00

mane you could have been a runner back if you did. I'm

33:02

like, man, I just you know, I just you know, I always

33:05

I'm addicted to it.

33:06

You know, people don't know.

33:08

I do have ot train with our football

33:10

player when they're in. I have him wrestled with them. I

33:12

have n't go like's far with that, Like he's

33:15

part of it. He's part of the team.

33:16

Man.

33:16

It's and guys. And again that's the thing. It's

33:18

like you lift them up, they left you up.

33:21

That's the whole part of having a team.

33:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I and

33:25

I really get them going. And I go, I look at them

33:27

and I'll be like, hey, don't have a don't

33:29

have a rapper out work you bro? You

33:34

want to really get to him, You

33:37

want to really get to him.

33:38

Don't have a don't have a rapper out work you bro?

33:41

You do though, you you out work pretty much everybody

33:43

in there. Right.

33:44

So here, here's my last question, your brother. I

33:47

ask all my guests, give me your

33:50

unbreakable moment. What I mean by that, give

33:52

me the moment that could have broken

33:54

you, should have broken you and then't

33:57

and as a result, you came through the other side

33:59

of that tunnel stronger and a breakable.

34:01

For m I would say it

34:04

would probably have to be like going

34:06

back and forth to like jail, you know, like

34:09

going back and forth doing jail time,

34:11

trying to figure things out, having

34:14

a dream, not having

34:17

a dream, but still being

34:19

a product of your environment. But

34:21

you still but you still want this dream. So

34:25

you know you're trying to

34:27

survive where you're coming from and

34:29

still get what you need to get done,

34:32

you know. And so it's like, how

34:34

can I how can I go back somewhere

34:37

so dangerous, but I'm trying to be so positive

34:40

and oftentimes I say, like,

34:43

you know, it's places that like where

34:46

I come from, you know, in my or my old neighborhoods,

34:48

where it's like it kind of like forces

34:50

the forces you to become

34:53

a monster in some certain type

34:55

of way. I don't want to promote

34:57

that, but it's like force you to be a monster in some type

34:59

of way because kind of you know, you're trying

35:01

to survive. You're not trying to, you're trying to It's

35:03

like you rather be a shark than be fooled, you

35:06

know. But while you're

35:08

doing that, is there's consequences for that.

35:10

So there's consequences

35:12

for that. But you're like, damn, Like that's

35:15

why that was the whole thing where we say

35:17

in our neighborhood, like I would

35:20

rather be judged by twelve than carried

35:22

by six. You know. That's that's

35:24

where all that that's where all that comes from. I

35:26

stayed, of course, man, and at most

35:29

times I go you know what, let's go this way, or sometimes

35:31

I'm like, you know, I'm gonna be on this side

35:33

of town right now, I'm gonna sure my cousins on this side of town.

35:35

I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna lock in and make sure

35:37

I go do this and finess to figure

35:40

my way into just

35:42

being on the right path and not having

35:44

to put myself around too much

35:47

of the you know, danger or anything

35:49

that will make you do something, you

35:51

know what I mean, out of your character and I

35:54

just I just stayed the task, man, and

35:56

I kept it going. And that's what I think

35:58

I'm probably most proud of. Man.

36:00

I'm proud too, Man.

36:01

I am proud to call your teammate, proud

36:03

to call your brother, and I am proud to call you unbreakable.

36:05

Thank you, brother, Thank you brother.

36:07

Oh T Genesis, thanks

36:10

for joining us here on the Unbreakable

36:12

Metal Wealth Podcast