0:00

Blazing fast, Steven. We

0:03

are officially users

0:05

of 2 gigabit internet

0:07

here at the Fro Factory

0:10

studio place. We are blazing.

0:12

That means you can download

0:14

your porn extra, extra fast.

0:17

Steven, do I look and sound better now

0:19

that we've got 2 gigabits in the studio?

0:22

Whoa, it's like I'm right next to you.

0:24

It's crazy. 2 gigabits.

0:26

What speed? So

0:28

I've been wanting to get the 2 gigabit

0:30

FiOS in the studio and when we first

0:32

moved in, it wasn't available here. It was only

0:34

available in New York City. And so I just

0:36

randomly checked. You would think they would like send

0:38

you a text message and be like, hey, 2

0:41

gigabit internet's available in your area. And

0:43

I never got it. But I

0:46

looked and my zip code or area code

0:48

or whatever they look up came up and

0:50

I had 2 gigabit installed yesterday.

0:52

And I think it's like 20 bucks more

0:55

a month or something. I didn't even know it was

0:57

an option. I didn't know it even existed. And you

0:59

saw what the test results look like. It was like 2,300. I

1:04

have a gig up and down here,

1:07

which I always thought was enough. But

1:09

obviously we're uploading massive files. Like we

1:11

just uploaded a user guide last night

1:13

and that has to be, I don't

1:15

know, 30 gigs. It took like a

1:17

good hour to upload with 2 gigs.

1:19

It's what half that. Yeah, it all

1:21

depends. Like it all depends on how

1:23

fast someone else's servers are and how

1:25

fast their network is. I can't upload

1:27

the Dropbox any faster than Dropbox will

1:29

allow you allow the. Yeah, I get

1:31

what you're saying. Like, for example, YouTube, you can

1:33

upload the same video file and it's at least

1:35

half the amount of time that it takes for

1:37

Dropbox to upload. You hit that certain cap, that

1:40

threshold with Dropbox for sure. Yeah,

1:42

it's just so fast. I remember the first

1:44

time you so used to do

1:46

raw talk when you would upload it, you would edit raw

1:48

talk back in the day when it was you and I.

1:50

You know, my upload speed was, your upload

1:53

speed was 10, 10 megabits per

1:55

second. Brutal. It would take like six hours

1:57

to upload. I would have to do it

1:59

overnight. failed I was screwed so it

2:01

takes even four to six hours and then when

2:03

we moved into the factory in 2016 and I

2:05

had gigabit put in there I had had

2:09

him give me the file and I

2:11

went and it was done in 12

2:14

minutes because it was just so freaking

2:16

fast but you know do I

2:18

need do we need to gig here no

2:20

but for the extra little bit of money sure

2:22

could we maybe we'll be beneficial for something

2:24

I don't know what maybe when we have

2:26

our servers and we need to pull stuff off

2:28

the servers yeah 2 gig but I think

2:30

like foreign countries have had faster

2:33

speeds for longer than us but

2:35

you know the installation process was I already

2:38

had files here and all they

2:40

needed to do was change the something

2:42

at the line outside on the pole

2:44

they just need to put another light

2:46

generating device just basically is just like

2:48

ramps up the speed it's all fiber

2:50

so all you need to do is

2:52

change the node at the beginning of

2:55

the fiber because it just changes the intensity of

2:57

the light and there's your data it's

2:59

insane it's not available where

3:01

I'm at unfortunately but I will definitely be

3:04

upgrading I still have like the triple play

3:06

option from Verizon you know the cable phone

3:08

internet don't use the phone at all don't

3:10

even have a landline my cable TV I

3:12

rarely use I mean we throw something on

3:14

just for Hannah to watch something on the

3:16

TV or occupy her why don't you put

3:18

on miss Rachel on YouTube well

3:20

yeah we do sometimes as well but sometimes if I'm

3:22

just in a pinch I'll just throw in cable and

3:24

it's good to go huh yeah so I have the

3:26

triple play option but I don't utilize any of it

3:29

I need to downgrade to just the internet

3:31

option but at the time when I signed

3:33

up the triple play was cheaper than internet

3:35

only that was three years ago yeah so

3:37

anyway that's what we got we got our

3:39

two gig internet here and sweet I don't

3:41

know what else we'll do after that but

3:43

our we're capable wirelessly to do to gig

3:46

up how are you putting that kind of

3:48

data wirelessly how

3:50

are you putting that up into the cloud my mind

3:52

I don't know dude I don't know

3:54

but hey speaking of mind-blowing I

3:56

know I'm late to the game but I'm now a

3:59

slacker City slacker slacker.

4:01

Are you a slacker McFly? Are

4:03

you you're nothing but a slacker?

4:06

Yeah, so I know people have been using slack for

4:08

like 10 years. I don't even know how long it's

4:10

been around But we

4:12

just started using it or I was just

4:14

added to a slack channel for the the

4:16

bowling show that I'm working on and I've

4:19

never Used slack before

4:21

but the organizational method of

4:24

it is really it's good

4:26

I like it. Well, we try to

4:28

use other programs back in the day like Trello

4:30

to try and have like what's in production What's

4:32

in the queue what's in post-production try and have

4:34

things organized? So we're all on the same page

4:36

But that didn't really work out well because no

4:38

one was following along or updating it So I

4:40

was the one constantly updating it and being the

4:43

only one that followed it So

4:45

we just abandoned that idea slack came along and

4:47

I remember when that first came out a few

4:49

years ago You initially were like super into it

4:51

But we never did anything with it and

4:53

I joined back then and I was part of

4:56

a couple of other slack channels But I'm really

4:58

glad that you're back into it because it makes

5:00

more sense to us When we're

5:02

constantly sending emails back and forth about titles and

5:04

thumbnails all that kind of stuff So there's no

5:07

reason for us to do that. So that's why

5:09

I created a raw talk channel a Photo

5:12

news fix channel because we have to get Dan

5:14

to do it So that's the next step is

5:16

telling Dan that he will be doing it if

5:18

he listened to the show He would know he

5:20

was doing it But it's just gonna be so

5:22

much easier for everybody because I put the

5:25

notes in there We can put thumbnails and

5:27

title ideas and work on them together Right

5:30

there without sending 73 emails back and forth and

5:32

I'm huge on communication when you have a team

5:34

You really need to be on the same page.

5:36

So I'm glad that we are now utilizing slack

5:39

and Hopefully will be on

5:41

the same page. I need to put in

5:43

a employee employee of the month channel and

5:46

Every month I just upload a

5:48

picture of me Jared Jared Jared

5:51

exactly announcing January's

5:53

employee of the month Jared Bowen. Yeah,

5:55

I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting for that It'd be funny

5:57

if you can add like stars to your name have

6:00

like 30 stars every stars employee of the

6:02

new badge you get a new badge employee

6:04

of the month badge each time so

6:06

hey I was I was reading an article

6:09

actually yeah no I was reading an article

6:11

that someone posted they did an interview with

6:13

the LA Times and they're the head of

6:15

the this company called Carrot and it's a

6:18

sort of it's a credit card company with no limit and it's

6:20

kind of built with creators

6:22

in mind who need to do bigger

6:24

projects but don't have the traditional banks

6:27

behind them and so

6:29

it's something that I don't have

6:31

a carrot card because I I have

6:33

established credit and I have

6:36

large credit

6:38

lines so I don't need it as much as someone

6:40

else who you know already spent 20 grand on something

6:42

and they you know but you have to pay it's

6:44

like it's like having it's like having an MX card

6:47

except you don't have any perks or benefits so

6:49

it's really they're trying to make it like

6:52

it's a posh thing to have this card

6:54

but I still rather stick with the traditional

6:56

thing that gives me perks and benefits because

6:58

there's not that many perks and benefits that

7:00

come with this other thing but anyway the

7:02

founder of it was interviewed for some

7:05

social media thing for the LA Times and

7:08

they talked about how you know

7:11

a lot there's a lot of talk about how mr.

7:13

Beast ruined YouTube which I don't

7:15

I don't agree with I see why they're saying

7:17

that but I also don't fully agree with that

7:20

right but then this statement that they made

7:22

is that people are his

7:25

prediction for 2024 is

7:27

that people will be moving

7:29

away from the super polished and

7:31

edited videos into something that's a

7:33

little more raw and long-form and

7:36

one I don't consider mr.

7:38

B super polished I mean it's much

7:40

better now than it was for three

7:42

you know three four years ago yeah

7:44

but he cited a youtuber who

7:46

is a fitness guy and the first thing I

7:49

noticed when I went on the channel there's no

7:51

way this guy is natural right

7:53

but he's got like 2.3 million subscribers

7:55

and what he's doing is he's driving

7:57

in his car every morning and talking

8:00

to a GoPro just attached

8:02

to his window. He has

8:04

a road clip mic attached to his

8:06

hat. I see that's like a

8:08

new thing. Attach the mic to the hat. All the

8:10

long care guys do that stuff too, yeah. So

8:13

that's what they're doing and then

8:15

the guy goes to the gym and it's like bulk day 43

8:18

and he's walking you through what he's doing and

8:21

it's just simple cut here, roll

8:23

a new clip, cut there. I don't...

8:27

I take it he's doing something that's not a

8:30

typical routine workout though because why would anybody

8:32

watch? Well the guy is massive. The

8:34

guy is massive. Yeah, because anybody I feel like could

8:36

do this routine but there's got to be something different

8:38

about him that makes him stand out if he's doing

8:40

well. He's massive to the point

8:42

of... Are we talking like Arnold? He's massive, like

8:45

just crazy steroids back in the day Arnold. Yes.

8:48

Okay. Basically. And it's like I hate to be

8:50

like this person isn't natural because people turn around

8:52

and they're like well you, look at you, you're

8:54

huge. No, I'm not huge. This guy is

8:56

probably the same size as me and weighs 80

8:59

more pounds because the way that his body is

9:01

like the way that it's... You just have to

9:03

look at the videos. Here, let

9:05

me pull it up real quick. All right, so

9:07

the YouTuber's name is Sam Thullock and he was

9:10

pointed out as someone who's doing it different

9:12

that's not doing the super polished

9:14

stuff and having success to the

9:17

point that he has 2.82 million

9:19

subscribers and he's basically daily vlogging

9:22

his workouts. I mean it's like 14 hours

9:24

ago 264,490 a day ago, two days ago 398, three days ago also 677,000

9:32

and then 500,000 and almost a million for winter bulk day 69

9:34

back and it's just crazy

9:40

because there's no crazy titles. He's building

9:42

a following of people just... Look at

9:45

him. It's not like

9:47

he's just an average person doing this. It's not like

9:49

anyone can just do this. He's

9:51

a monster. He's a

9:53

monster but there is absolutely

9:55

no way. There's just no way

9:58

that that is natural. over

10:00

to my trainer and I'm like, what's going on here?

10:03

Steroids. It's lots of

10:05

human steroid hormones. It's steroids. He

10:07

still has to put in the work, but

10:09

the work goes a hell of a lot

10:11

further when you're cheating. And

10:14

I know this is a big debate in

10:17

those fitness industry and the lifting industry,

10:19

but if you're not natural, one,

10:21

you're setting a bad example for anybody

10:23

else coming up who thinks that that's

10:25

natural. And it's the same thing with

10:27

women, right? The Kardashians getting butt implants

10:29

and breast implants and lip injections is

10:31

setting an example that that's okay for

10:33

girls or that's what they should chase

10:35

after. It reminds me of the whole

10:37

liver king issue, you know, where he

10:40

claimed he was fully natural, full natty

10:42

and selling all these supplements and products and saying

10:44

that this is how he got this big. But in

10:46

reality, he was on all these insane steroids and growth

10:49

hormones and everything. It's false advertising. It

10:51

is. They're taking illegal

10:53

substances and but also killing themselves

10:56

because, you know, does

10:59

lead to premature death and heart and issues. Your

11:01

heart will explode one day. It's

11:03

anyway, the point I was making is that

11:06

the guy was talking about his prediction for 2024

11:09

for YouTube is that it's going to be

11:11

going back to less polished and more of

11:14

the raw thing. And I think, you know,

11:16

we've seen some of this with those lawn care

11:18

channels that you talk about where it's like 56

11:21

minutes of cutting a lawn or the

11:23

one that I've been watching, I haven't watched

11:25

this week, but the guy that fixes Rolexes

11:27

and takes them apart and there's there 50

11:29

some minute videos. These things

11:31

have millions of views, hundreds

11:34

of thousands and then millions of views and

11:37

people are engaging and paying attention. But

11:39

you say the lawn cutting thing, it's not like someone's just randomly cutting

11:41

their lawn. It's usually cutting a

11:43

property that hasn't been touched in 10 years and

11:45

making it from a complete mess to beauty. So

11:48

it's a big before and after and all that.

11:51

Yes, but they're not super polishing their videos. No,

11:53

not at all. It's the content.

11:55

That's what it's all about. Right. But

11:57

the thing that still holds true with all the content

11:59

is the audio can't suck. If the audio sucks,

12:01

people aren't going to listen. But my whole thing

12:04

is we've stuck to the style

12:06

that we do. When I first started, it

12:08

was five minutes because that's all my videos,

12:11

the D3S could handle was five minutes.

12:14

But we've never shied away from doing

12:16

a longer form piece of content because

12:18

I think people will engage if it's

12:21

quality. And

12:23

it's a little different for us when we're

12:25

putting out a video about photography or video

12:27

and it looks like shit. My biggest thing,

12:30

this goes back a few years when we

12:32

were selling the guide to editing, guide to

12:34

DSLR video, that kind of stuff. I

12:36

didn't want it to look like shit if we're selling a

12:39

product on how to make your videos look great. That

12:41

was the whole point. Like it's a lot harder

12:43

for us to make our videos look poor when

12:45

we're talking about being a professional photographer or videographer,

12:47

whatever it may be. We got to practice what

12:49

we preach. The trends coming through. That's like being

12:51

a fitness guy and being a skinny shrimp and

12:53

not being able to lift five pounds and giving

12:55

fitness advice. True. Like you. Exactly. But,

12:58

Dan, the trends come and go. We don't

13:00

chase them. We do

13:03

what we do. And for a

13:05

while, the things that I was doing at the

13:07

very beginning were being copied by other people. And

13:09

then you get passed up by other people that

13:11

are doing things. And Peter McKinnon started to get

13:13

copied by everybody. Everybody would do the same thumbnail

13:16

as him and now it was very

13:18

difficult to know what was a Peter video and what

13:20

wasn't. And I still think for us too, there

13:22

are a lot of less polished videos like the

13:24

vlogs and stuff like that where you're just kind of

13:27

running around with a small, not even one inch sensor

13:29

camera or a little action camera or something like that.

13:31

It's not like a full blown, full frame sensor camera.

13:33

Like we still get away with that kind

13:35

of stuff. And I'm totally fine with that

13:37

as long as at the end of the

13:39

day, the content is there. It needs to

13:41

be interesting. Yeah, absolutely. I think people will

13:43

gravitate towards one, the person

13:45

that they like and if they

13:48

enjoy the stories they're telling. I mean, it's

13:50

like me sitting there and watching a guy

13:52

eat an MRE on occasion. It's like, wow,

13:54

Steve 1989. That's the guy I watch. Is

13:57

that what the guy called? He'd eat old rations from back in the day.

14:00

But that stuff is interesting. So it just

14:02

shows you that no, not everything needs to

14:04

be Mr. Beast where I do think that

14:06

Beastification has gone to the extreme again and

14:08

this happens all the time. It happened with

14:10

the prank channels and the joke channels where

14:12

they took it too far and now it's

14:14

like the difference between a dollar hamburger and

14:17

a $20,000 hamburger. It's

14:19

like, alright, how far can you take

14:21

this before it's like enough? And

14:25

so let's move on from there. You

14:27

had some severe storm issues yesterday because it

14:29

was a big storm? Yeah. So,

14:32

well, first of all, did you have any issues on your end? How

14:34

was Philly? I mean, it was windy and

14:36

rainy. I cooked dinner last night.

14:38

That's how bad Philly was because usually I go out.

14:41

I prepared to cook dinner

14:43

my world famous chicken and

14:46

yeah, it was windy. Well,

14:48

so last night we easily had 50 plus

14:51

mile an hour wing gusts, at least in

14:53

Jersey. My backyard, it backs up against a

14:55

golf course. So I typically have much

14:57

worse wind gusts than the rest of my town. What

14:59

kind of course? How do you spell golf? G-O-F-F. Golf.

15:03

Golf course. Excuse me. It's

15:05

like crayon again. Yeah. I

15:07

went to the store and I bought 64 crayole crowns.

15:10

My apologies. I went to the golf course.

15:13

But anyway, I typically

15:15

have much worse wind gusts than the rest

15:17

of my town since the wind builds up

15:19

so much momentum going down the fairway and

15:21

then it slams into my backyard and there's

15:23

nothing stopping it in between. There's no trees.

15:25

There's nothing to block it or calm it

15:27

down. Now I have a

15:30

six inch vinyl privacy fence. Six

15:32

inch? Six foot. I'm

15:34

sorry. I

15:38

have a six inch fence to stop ants

15:40

to stop ants. I

15:42

have a really bad ant problem. Instead damn

15:44

ants. I want to stop everybody. Every

15:47

once in a while I run over my fence with my lawnmower.

15:50

A six inch fence. A

15:54

six foot privacy fence. Let me get that

15:56

straight. In high winds. It was buckling so

15:58

damn hard. It was almost Literally at like

16:00

a 30 degree angle when I checked it at the

16:02

peak of the storm. It was it was pretty bad

16:05

I thought I was gonna wake up to a complete down

16:07

fence down trees Destroyed

16:10

grill like everything in my back row

16:13

Homeowners of course, but it still sucks when that

16:15

happens the aftermath of the

16:17

defense thankfully wasn't that bad I had two

16:19

eight foot fence panels blown out I

16:22

had half my 30 year old birch tree went

16:24

down unfortunately a giant limb snapped off of it

16:26

So I gotta get that taken care of my

16:28

grill toppled over brand new grill by the way

16:30

my 45 pound Adirondack chairs

16:32

made of polywood those things were scattered

16:34

throughout the yard man, and they're not

16:36

like 45 pounds 45

16:39

pounds is nothing Steven thrown all around the

16:41

yard But in these guns

16:43

it wasn't as bad as I thought it was

16:45

going to be because the winds really did sound

16:47

that brutal last Night no damage

16:49

to the house no siding down no trim

16:51

all that was fine Thankfully and the funny

16:53

part is all of my Christmas decorations, which I still

16:55

have up. I need to take them down It's like two

16:58

weeks later. They're all fine. Even

17:00

my wreaths that are suction cup to the

17:02

windows are completely fine That

17:04

stuff didn't get touched at all yet. You know

17:07

the stuff that's concreted into the ground like my

17:09

fence Was taken down bringing

17:12

this back to what we do

17:14

battery backups are a must they

17:16

are huge because I was literally

17:18

re-exporting the user guide last night

17:20

for today and my power blip

17:22

for a minute and My

17:24

computer kept chugging along exporting the video as the

17:26

rest of my house was out for a good

17:28

like 30 seconds And that

17:30

would have completely messed up everything if

17:32

the power happened to fail as I

17:34

was transferring files Exporting all that kind

17:36

of stuff so battery backups if

17:39

you don't have one you need to get a UPS

17:41

ASAP Yep, we have them we

17:43

have them here and plus when you're working on laptops it

17:46

you also have the battery power there Which definitely helps

17:48

I came in early yesterday and left work early because

17:50

I was nervous about this storm They were calling. No

17:52

you weren't nervous about the storm you were like There's

17:55

a state of emergency State

17:59

of emergency I better I better heat

18:01

his morning. I know how my backyard gets

18:03

because of the got the the golf course

18:06

you almost said it again The golf course

18:08

I know how again you know Oh,

18:11

no, I didn't want my little tiny ant fence to

18:14

get knocked down How much how

18:16

much did that fence cost you to put in

18:18

all six inches of it? But it was a

18:20

brutal night and it's not fun to when my

18:22

dog is petrified of lightning and your dog a

18:24

little bitch Yeah,

18:26

yes, even though he's a male dog. All right,

18:29

so what we're gonna talk about we've got

18:31

Apple Vision Pro We got talked about the

18:33

200 to 800 review something about this elephant

18:35

video that we did yesterday I'm gonna talk

18:37

about the the bowling show and

18:40

conducting an interview from 16

18:42

hours away meaning it's 16 hours

18:44

and into the future and then me

18:46

prepping to go on the trip on

18:48

Thursday, which is For

18:50

the bowling and I'm gonna talk a little bit more About

18:52

that to give you some inside baseball some inside

18:54

look about what's going on and

18:56

and the process that goes into it But

18:59

let's start with the Apple Vision Pro They

19:01

finally Apple finally announced right before CES trying

19:03

to take the wind out of the sales

19:05

of everybody else that the Apple Vision Pro

19:07

will be released on February

19:10

2nd But you

19:12

can pre-order as of 5 a.m.

19:15

Pacific Standard Time on the 19th Are

19:17

you gonna order one? So

19:20

I'm talking about this on photo news fix

19:22

or already talked about it on photo news

19:24

fix It's thirty five hundred bucks or say,

19:26

you know to make it a little better.

19:28

It's thirty four ninety nine now I I

19:30

already have like FOMO if I

19:32

wasn't gonna buy one cuz I want to try it I want to see how

19:35

it is The issue

19:37

is I mean look at what my what the headset

19:39

is doing to my head right now Yeah,

19:41

right what what the headphones are doing and

19:44

you're gonna have two bands one that goes around the

19:46

back and the option to put One on the top

19:48

to keep the thing on your face How

19:50

heavy is this thing on your face and

19:53

how unweilding is it gonna get if you're

19:55

sitting there for an hour or two hours?

19:57

Doing work inside of this thing that

20:00

That's one of the biggest concerns. It's not so

20:02

much the price. I mean, it's expensive but the

20:04

reason I would buy it is it's a text

20:06

write-off and I can make content out of it

20:08

so it should pay for

20:10

itself. The question is how do you make content

20:12

out of it if there's no, it's

20:14

got to be VR content, right? Like

20:17

how would you just, unless you just simply talk about

20:19

your experience or something like that. Part

20:21

of it is talking about your experience and

20:23

is there a way to do a video

20:25

out? Is there a way to see a

20:27

desktop view that you could record somehow do

20:29

a video out? Apple's going to figure out

20:31

how to do it so you can show

20:33

what's going on inside of the spaces. Now,

20:35

what I find interesting is Apple doesn't say

20:38

VR anywhere. They don't say VR headset anywhere

20:40

because it's not about VR. They call it

20:42

a spatial computer computing bullshit. Okay, that's just

20:44

another name for virtual reality. It

20:46

is but I think they've gone to the

20:48

way of let's figure out how this can

20:51

be for work and

20:53

entertainment because they talk about how you can

20:55

make a movie screen up to a hundred

20:57

feet, right? Make it seem like you're watching

20:59

a movie on a hundred foot screen. So

21:02

for someone like me who doesn't see

21:04

very well, it is potential, there is

21:06

potential that if I'm editing in Lightroom

21:08

or you're editing photo, video, maybe

21:10

it's an interesting way to do it because

21:13

you could have multiple areas open and as

21:15

you look to the left, you can rotate

21:17

the screen and do everything that you need

21:19

to do to have just total productivity like

21:21

that minority report. Back

21:24

to having fatigue if you wear it for a certain

21:26

amount of time, I already

21:28

get just ear fatigue when I'm wearing my

21:31

headphones for eight hours or even like

21:33

four hours at a time. My

21:35

ears start to hurt just the weight on

21:37

my head, which isn't much. I start to

21:39

feel it. I can't imagine wearing this headset

21:41

for eight hours. I really can't but that's

21:43

my main concern is wearing it for over

21:45

like two hours max. Right. Well,

21:48

the good news is if you're going to use it

21:50

for battery with the battery attached, you get two and

21:52

a half hours of usage if you're using just 2D

21:54

and not using the 3D and all of

21:56

the other stuff. So if you're just watching a movie, you're not going

21:59

to get through the whole movie. If you I

22:01

mean you're not taking this thing on an airplane and being

22:03

that douchebag As I get ready to

22:05

take it on an airplane to be that douchebag You

22:08

know, I mean I know shame on airplanes

22:11

so I could definitely see you doing it.

22:14

I'm very respectful on airplanes Let me eat the

22:16

smelliest food in front of everybody. I am

22:18

gonna eat my food. Let me bust out my

22:20

salmon Yeah salmon

22:22

back in the day salmon Now

22:25

I don't take that on the plane anymore because I don't

22:27

get that place But my thing with with

22:30

the headset is like they make a big deal out

22:32

of the entertainment Like you're gonna be able to watch

22:34

Netflix and Disney Plus and all of this. I'm like

22:37

If I want to watch with a friend, that's the thing. It's

22:39

like you have the entertainment and yeah, it's $3,500

22:42

so I don't expect the everyday people to really buy

22:44

this. I think the early adopters Yeah, we'll try to

22:46

find it cool the internet people like me will try

22:48

to make a video unless they send me one to

22:51

Review which would be fine I would do

22:53

that or you could also buy it and then

22:55

return it after two weeks if you really feel

22:57

it's that bad I just the biggest worry is

22:59

that it's gonna feel like shit on the head

23:01

just like the Apple headphones did the Apple AirPods

23:04

Pros or the Air Max max pro whatever the

23:06

head how those headphones were they squeezed my head

23:08

so much that it just wasn't enjoyable to Use

23:11

it's tough for you because you have so

23:13

much hair, you know anything

23:15

on your head whether it's a hat or whatever It may be

23:18

it's tough for it to feel comfortable for you. I

23:21

can wear headphones It's just when they're squeezing your

23:23

head so tight it becomes a problem But

23:26

they're probably squeezing your head even tighter because you have

23:28

such a big poofy, you know set of hair at

23:30

the top Are you gonna buy one today? No, no

23:32

way unless I must work once to

23:35

buy one for me then that's a different story But

23:37

we're not not buying you work purposes

23:39

Jared Then it's a write-off If

23:42

it works then you can work like so

23:44

the thing that I find interesting is that

23:47

if you open up your laptop You can then use

23:49

your you know the laptop Your

23:52

thing becomes the computer basically. Yeah, right

23:55

and so I that might be

23:57

interesting But wearing this thing on your head all day.

23:59

I don't I don't know that that makes any

24:01

sense. I agree. I think eventually

24:03

this will become a big thing for

24:05

a lot of people but I

24:08

think that's going to be another couple generations down the

24:10

road when they make it much smaller, much more comfortable,

24:12

lighter, all of that. But when you put it into

24:14

a contact lens or a pair of regular

24:16

glasses and you have augmented

24:18

like that. When it's minority report. Yeah. Can

24:21

it help with productivity for me? I don't know. I

24:24

think right now it's just the coolness factor and that

24:26

will wear off because in six months or a year

24:28

they'll release version two for half the price that's twice

24:30

as good. Exactly. So let's

24:33

move on. 200 to 800. You made

24:35

me make a note on that. What did you want to talk about of the 200

24:37

to 800 Canon review? I just

24:39

want to give people a preview of the

24:41

actual review. That lens, having

24:44

it in the hands, I finally got to hold it for the first

24:46

time. It is a massive lens

24:48

in length and girth. Six

24:50

inches? It's like a six inch fence.

24:52

Yeah. Yeah. It's

24:55

like 12 inches collapsed but probably close

24:57

to 20 when you're fully extended. But

25:00

the mind blowing part is it's fairly light. I

25:02

mean you paired that with the R3 and I

25:04

held both. It's definitely hand holdable.

25:06

It's not that bad. Yeah. After

25:09

a long period of time it's definitely going to get a little annoying and it's

25:11

going to feel a little heavy I'm sure. But

25:13

we were really talking about how much of a trade off it

25:15

is with the extra 200 millimeters

25:18

in length that you're getting versus the aperture like

25:21

the other super telephoto zoom lenses that are

25:23

on the market. That Sony has and Nikon has with the 180

25:25

to 600 and the 200 to 600. So

25:28

a lot of the video is about that, about the

25:30

trade off that you're getting. Is it worth it for

25:33

you? I personally think I'd rather have

25:35

the reach over that extra one stop

25:37

light difference. Yeah. The, you know,

25:39

this is a 6.3 to 9. When

25:41

most of the others are like 5.6 to 6.3. Like

25:44

go to 6.3. Yeah. At the

25:46

wrong end. But it is one stop and that is not

25:48

that big of a deal and as

25:51

big of a deal today as it was yesterday. And when

25:53

I say yesterday, I mean like 15 years ago, having a

25:55

stop difference was all the difference in the world and I

25:58

am still a big fan of keeping that ISO down. But

26:00

the one stop from six three to nine is

26:02

not a big deal when you are getting a

26:05

reach that you couldn't ever have had before Now

26:08

with that being said you do need to be

26:10

very careful With the lighting situations that you're shooting

26:12

in because when I went to the zoo the

26:14

first day it was overcast And I was

26:16

at 4,000 ISO just to be at 1

26:19

640th of a second and then the next day I was at

26:21

400 ISO and I could be at

26:23

a faster shutter speed if I needed sure so

26:26

of course You're losing

26:28

a lot of light, but you're gaining that

26:30

reach and the people that it's for those

26:32

nature and birder type people If you're

26:35

trying to get a little tit mouse or something the

26:37

800 the difference from six to eight is a is

26:40

immense It is so less

26:42

less cropping needed and it's

26:44

gonna be good The thing is it as

26:47

you zoom It's very difficult to zoom

26:49

because you have to twist super long

26:51

and super far throw is ridiculous It's

26:53

literally a hundred and eighty degree throw

26:55

from 200 to 800. I mean you

26:57

really your entire with twisting your wrist

26:59

Yeah, yeah, and it just you lose

27:01

some balance as you do that It

27:04

becomes front-heavy because it's extending further and

27:06

so I wanted to

27:08

make sure we pointed out the pros pointed out the

27:10

cons And then at the end of the day There's

27:13

nothing like it on the market and if

27:15

you want six hundred millimeters to eight hundred

27:18

millimeters where other people don't have it Then

27:20

there you go, but I wonder if

27:22

they would make like a four to eight hundred Right

27:25

like a three to eight hundred instead

27:27

of a two hundred to eight hundred and it changes

27:29

up the size Who

27:31

knows they went with two to eight. That's what they chose to go with And

27:34

like you were saying at the end of the

27:36

day. It's an affordable quote-unquote super telephoto zoom lens

27:39

at nineteen hundred dollars I mean, it's a pretty

27:41

insane range for that price point I don't expect

27:43

the world out of it There are gonna be

27:45

a lot of cons like something else would be

27:47

like the non removable tripod foot With no hard

27:49

stops. I wanted you to hit on that because

27:51

you always make a big point of that with

27:54

the other manufacturers So we made sure to note

27:56

that I just don't know why you can't

27:58

remove the tripod. So I find that little odd It's

28:00

literally locked on there now you can move it out

28:02

of the way But it's still it's

28:04

annoying if you had big hands and you're trying to

28:06

zoom because you're definitely gonna be hitting that tripod foot

28:09

The issue for me was where the aperture changes

28:12

because you would think with the other lenses the other manufacturers

28:14

going all the way to 600 millimeters and being at 6

28:16

3 that can it would go all the way almost to

28:18

600 at 6 3 and then when you Extend

28:22

past that maybe then you go to f8 f9,

28:24

but no you go to f8 when you're at

28:26

455 millimeters So

28:28

at 600 you're almost at f9 already,

28:31

which is a little annoying, but you got it

28:33

You just have to understand it's going to 11 so

28:35

it's going further No, I understand But you would think

28:38

they would at least keep up with the other ones

28:40

at but maybe they could 600 millimeters and then extend

28:42

past That but maybe they couldn't because of the extra

28:44

optics and reach that's there. This was the trade-off they're

28:46

like well, we could go to 600 and make it

28:48

a 6 3 and And

28:52

stop there or in order to make it go to

28:54

800 We need to shift

28:56

the aperture which then shifts the size of

28:58

the elements and makes the weight to a

29:00

place They wanted to be who knows and

29:03

cannon You know They have a great lineup when

29:05

it comes to the budget friendly super telephoto lenses

29:07

like the hundred to four hundred Five

29:09

six to f8 the six hundred and eight

29:12

hundred f11 primes Which this in

29:14

my opinion just pretty much replaces both of those in

29:16

one lens and then the hundred to five hundred L

29:18

If you want a little more and you want that

29:20

L quality, but I still think they

29:22

have nothing in between that $13,000

29:24

600 f4 and This

29:27

nineteen hundred dollar lens, you know, there's there's no

29:30

Advanced enthusiast lenses that's a little more expensive kind of like Nikon has

29:33

for the 400 45 or the 600 6 3 or 800 6 3

29:38

I wish they gave a little better quality

29:40

with some pretty sweet primes in between

29:42

that price point. Yeah, I got you I think they'll

29:44

sell everyone that they make right? I agree. I think

29:46

this is gonna be a huge selling lens I mean,

29:48

it really is a sweet lens, but there are so

29:50

you just have to understand There's gonna be a lot

29:52

of trade-offs and it basically debunks

29:54

the you know They're not making affordable glass

29:57

because I don't think Tamron or Sigma could

29:59

make a lens like this at

30:01

the same price point. Exactly.

30:04

So let's move on to the elephant video. You

30:06

wanted me to bring this up. What do you

30:08

want to talk about? Well, we always talk about

30:11

getting back to educational content and my big thing

30:13

is we've done a lot of it in the

30:15

past and I don't want to just repeat the

30:17

same basic things over and over again. I

30:19

think with this video, there were

30:21

a lot of teachable moments and the biggest

30:23

one for me was thinking outside the box.

30:27

Let me explain the premise of the

30:29

video. So when I was in Kenya and

30:31

sitting in the back of the vehicle, you're at

30:33

a higher angle and when

30:35

we wanted to get pictures of these big

30:38

ass elephants, they look fine

30:40

from up top but they're going to look

30:42

even better when you get lower just like

30:44

most photography. When you get to a lower

30:46

angle in many situations, it just makes the

30:48

picture look better. Well, the only way to

30:50

do this since we're not allowed out of

30:52

the vehicles in the park is to put

30:54

a monopod on

30:57

the bottom of my camera, flip

30:59

it upside down with an 8512 on it, hang it

31:02

outside of the vehicle with one hand

31:05

while rotating it and using the phone

31:07

with the Canon Connect app to preview,

31:09

change settings and take the pictures. And

31:12

so I was able to get some

31:14

really good shots of these big tusker

31:16

elephants in front of

31:19

Mount Kilimanjaro and it was definitely a

31:21

challenge because I had to hold the

31:23

camera like five feet, like basically on

31:26

the ground hanging out of a moving

31:28

vehicle. And that's what I wanted to break

31:30

down in this video was the behind the scenes of

31:32

the shoot and how most people when looking at the

31:34

photo might think it's just hey, you got on your

31:36

knees and took a picture. It's a lot more than

31:38

that because again, you were locked in that

31:41

vehicle and trying to figure out how can I still get

31:43

low to the ground and the monopod and the app and

31:45

all that helps. And hanging outside the box was the big

31:47

premise of this video and we had other

31:49

things to talk about more main points, but I want

31:51

to leave the rest of those for the video for

31:53

people to watch. But back to

31:55

the educational content. I like this style of

31:58

video because it's a behind the scenes look. at

32:01

a shot like this and giving people tips and tricks

32:03

along the way. Yeah, I mean

32:05

this is again where I wanna with

32:07

the with the next video product, the next video

32:09

guide, the educational product is where I can go

32:12

into depth there where a lot of those videos

32:14

don't do well on YouTube except for when I

32:16

did the the thing that

32:18

professional photographers won't tell you but I will with Joe

32:20

Bethea like that first one did

32:23

extra but that's a great and the one

32:25

where you caught it like the photography hack

32:27

ISO you listed every single keyword in the

32:29

title through editing the kitchen

32:31

sink in it. It doesn't work every time but

32:33

the point is like I wanna do more educational

32:35

stuff but I also wanna put it into the

32:37

the products where people do like it. Now I

32:39

have no problem redoing some of the older stuff

32:41

maybe writing scripts which I already wrote some scripts

32:43

we just have to get the script set back

32:45

up and running and then get the ability to

32:47

edit it and then you know I would get

32:49

those out into the world because I have no

32:51

problem doing them. I like them like I did

32:53

I wrote a prime versus zooms script.

32:57

Well and it's funny how far you've come

32:59

along the way with primes versus zooms. You

33:01

used to be a big zoom shooter only

33:03

and now you're almost prime only.

33:05

You try to be prime only I feel like.

33:07

If you have a prime or better, like yeah

33:09

prime or like a prime, a prime zoom like

33:11

the 27th. Just because

33:13

of the I've talked about a million times that

33:16

the the difference of separation

33:18

that you get from everybody else. Do you think

33:20

if you were still shooting concerts like we were

33:22

doing the frequency of concerts that we are doing

33:24

a few years back would you be sticking a

33:26

lot of primes in your bag these days or

33:28

would you still be sticking with zooms like a

33:30

24 to 105, 2,8? I

33:33

mean I would take the 24 to 105 but if

33:36

I have the ability to photograph the musician and

33:38

I have the extra time and I'm with them

33:40

and I have the whole show. I

33:46

mean the 24 to 105 is gonna crush but

33:48

a 28 to 70 is gonna give you a different look. A

33:50

85 and I probably wouldn't

33:53

bring the 50 I would do the 85 and a 135. I wouldn't even bring

33:55

a 70 to 200 anymore.

33:58

Yeah I don't think you really need it with the 24 to 100. 105 or a 100 to 300. I mean it's

34:00

7200 I vocalist

34:05

and that's really it you know. Yeah

34:07

which is basically a worthless shot in the

34:09

back part. Yeah. So it's still better

34:11

to be wide like 10 to 20 I mean you

34:13

could do 10 to 20 24 to 70 sorry 24 to 105 and a 135 and those

34:15

are your three

34:19

lenses if you could run through

34:21

them. It's probably what I would choose with like two

34:23

bodies just if you wanted but I don't like doing

34:25

two bodies. Anyway that's the gonna be

34:27

the elephant video but the next

34:29

thing that I want to talk about for the for the

34:31

rest of the show we'll talk about the bowling show but

34:35

giving you the behind-the-scenes look at what it's

34:37

like putting something like this together it's kind

34:39

of insane with all of the moving parts

34:42

there are so many people involved that they

34:44

have different tasks and different jobs and that's

34:46

where the slack thing came into play is

34:48

like reading what these people are working on

34:51

and knowing that it's not just me putting

34:53

stuff together there's people working non-stop on budgets

34:55

there's people working on what

34:58

should we do should we go here should we

35:00

not go here what how much time should we

35:02

spend here where is the money better spent very

35:04

collaborative we hire how do we get the footage

35:06

back how do they organize the footage how

35:08

do they ingest it like all about what details

35:11

right and so what I found fascinating

35:13

is last week I sat on

35:15

my sofa at 8 30 9 30

35:18

10 30 up to like 11 o'clock at night watching a live look

35:24

through a camera in Australia of

35:27

an interview that we needed for the

35:29

project that we're doing and

35:31

so they set up a it was

35:33

like a Sony FX6 and then through

35:35

the HDMI out it went into the

35:37

computer which then went through Google Hangouts

35:39

and the audio went through there too

35:41

so we could sit there and see

35:43

the exact angle help set up a

35:46

better angle than what they originally set

35:48

up and ask questions

35:50

if we need to chime in and ask questions of

35:52

the subject sitting 16 hours away

35:55

in Australia and by 16 I

35:57

mean 16 forward it's like

36:00

24 hours away if you have to get there. Yeah.

36:02

Well, partly, like partly it's the future,

36:05

but also there's still something about being in front of

36:07

somebody and asking the questions. But

36:10

if this is the, I mean, you know how much

36:12

money you save by not having to take a crew

36:14

there? Oh, of course. Hiring

36:16

local, yeah. Now, being that far away, did

36:19

you have any issues communicating? Like was it

36:21

pretty instantaneous or were there a few seconds

36:23

delay? Like you would ask a question? It

36:25

didn't seem like there was overlap because I

36:28

could hear when we talked, I could hear

36:30

the feedback, but I'm sure there's a delay

36:32

going from Australia to the United States. There's

36:34

going to be some sort of delay, but it didn't

36:36

cause an issue with anything. We

36:38

had the list of questions that the

36:41

producer on site from Australia was doing

36:43

and the camera person finding the right

36:45

angle that we wanted, that was a

36:48

challenge that we needed to help with. I

36:51

mean, I'm very particular with gear. You? No.

36:54

Not so much gear, but proper glass. I'm

36:56

a big stickler for proper glass. But

36:59

at the end of the day, if it looks good, it looks good. Sure.

37:02

But there is a reason that our videos are separated from

37:04

other people's videos or the photos that we take at the

37:07

20s to 70s and the 8512s. And

37:10

I know I always say at the end of the day, no one really

37:12

cares. But

37:14

if you were to put one documentary next to

37:16

another documentary and one was shot with like a

37:19

GF, it's something small and

37:21

you could tell the difference, but

37:23

again, at the end of the day, it's

37:25

moving pictures in the documentary. And if it's

37:28

run and gun, it's totally fine. One

37:30

thing I find interesting in this entire process,

37:32

and I know this has been the way

37:35

in commercial photography, commercial video, anything

37:38

that our buddy Digi Richie does is

37:40

that this idea that when you're looking

37:42

to hire a shooter, they have

37:44

one rate for hiring them and they have

37:47

another rate to bring their kit, to

37:49

bring their camera. Rent me and then rent my

37:51

gear. Right. Which

37:54

always gets me. I get it. Like I get

37:56

that they own the gear and well, but they

37:58

could just roll the price in and it

38:00

would just then they'd be more expensive and you'd be

38:02

paying for that. I get it but I've never for

38:05

me been hired to go do a shoot

38:08

where I said well, okay,

38:10

you hired me but now you need

38:12

to also pay for my everyday gear for me

38:14

to use. Like could you imagine wedding photographers being

38:17

like well, okay, so this is my base fee

38:19

but for me to actually use the gear you

38:21

need to pay me X amount as well. Right.

38:23

And I get a thing with photographers. Well, I

38:25

guess I get things like adding a photo

38:27

booth or when Richie is doing a commercial

38:29

shoot and like if Richie is doing a

38:32

commercial shoot and they need to rent six

38:35

different lighting setups which I know they had to do

38:37

once on a big like

38:40

a Breaking Bad type thing or Better Call Saul

38:42

where they had to set up all the sets

38:44

before so that the actors

38:46

could go from one to the next to the next

38:48

and they had to put out everything to rent that

38:50

additional gear though. That's a different story. That's an additional

38:53

cost. But it was built into the budget. Like they built

38:55

it into the budget for that. That was fine. It's

38:57

like if you hire me I'm coming with the gear

38:59

that I need to get the job done. Sure. Well,

39:02

now with that being said, I do

39:04

understand some of it and some people use

39:07

it like they buy a red camera and

39:09

then partly they can operate the red camera

39:11

or you could just rent the red camera

39:13

or their cine lenses and like that's how

39:15

they make extra money. So I'm sitting here

39:18

thinking, alright, well if this is legitimately how

39:20

Hollywood and how these production shows work, I'll

39:23

buy all the gear, whatever is

39:25

necessary to buy and I'll

39:27

rent it back to the production and it's

39:30

another line item. It's another way you can

39:32

generate revenue and end up with all the gear.

39:34

Now I'm not saying I would buy the camera bodies. That

39:38

luckily, I'm a little spoiled

39:40

because I do have access to every camera

39:43

manufacturer. Like if I wanted Canon to

39:45

send cinema stuff, they'd send cinema stuff. If I wanted

39:47

Sony to send cinema stuff, they'd send it for us

39:49

to use. Sure. Just because

39:51

they would. Do they have

39:53

cinema stuff? No. No, they don't.

39:56

So I wouldn't use that. So

40:00

I could see, like

40:03

if this goes to the next level, being like

40:05

yeah, I'll buy the tripods, I'll buy the lights,

40:07

I'll buy these things, and you

40:09

guys can rent it for me. And

40:11

it becomes a line item that you make. But

40:14

I think production companies should invest

40:16

in a lot of their own products so that

40:18

they can save money. Like I see, I'm bringing

40:20

gear. Like we're gonna be using, I wanna talk

40:22

about what gear we're gonna be using on

40:25

Thursday when we're shooting in Wichita, Kansas.

40:27

If you're in Wichita, Kansas guys, someone

40:30

send text message to the line, where's

40:33

my note, god damn it? Where's my note? You

40:35

had it for work. Here it is, man. If

40:40

you're in the Wichita, Kansas area, it's not

40:42

out of the question that I might need

40:45

an assistant just to run

40:47

batteries to the charger, get

40:50

a piece of gear that I might need. Literally a

40:52

runner. I may need a PA

40:54

that, you know, I'll slip you a couple bucks,

40:57

or you just get the pleasure of just working with

40:59

someone so amazing as me. You

41:01

should make them pay you to work with you.

41:04

That's even better. You

41:06

need to pay me. But hey, if you're

41:08

in Wichita, Kansas or that area, I'll be

41:10

there Thursday, I'll be there Friday and Saturday.

41:12

I might need some help because right now

41:14

we're doing a lot of this on a

41:17

shoestring budget and that just means we're not

41:19

gonna fly in someone to be an assistant. So

41:21

I might look for someone local just to have

41:23

and be like, look, I need you to do

41:25

this. Please, like hold this light when

41:27

we do this. Or watch my back or tell

41:30

me when this is happening or run this over there. Get

41:34

a text into that line. I

41:36

got the number again. You already lost it. Where

41:39

is it? Fuck, where'd it go? I got

41:41

all these papers. Clean your damn desk.

41:44

There it is. My desk is clean. We made a video

41:46

on it yesterday. 3137109729 and just say like Wichita, Kansas or

41:48

whatever and

41:53

leave, well, you'll text from your phone number.

41:55

So if I have it, I might be

41:57

reaching out about Friday once I figure out.

42:00

out Thursday but Friday,

42:02

Saturday and if something goes right I

42:04

might stay until Monday. We'll have to wait and see.

42:06

It all depends. But the way we're going to

42:08

have an A shooter and we're going to have a B shooter. A

42:10

roll and B roll. I'm going to be

42:12

doing B roll because there's no reason right

42:14

now to send another shooter. We're still trying

42:16

to figure stuff out and I'm capable of

42:18

shooting video. Now I'm going to be using

42:20

the Canon R3 shooting log for the first

42:23

time because that's what I have. If

42:25

I had a cinema, if I had an FX3

42:28

we should probably get Sony to send us an FX3

42:30

because there's no reason I can't shoot that camera. We

42:32

had an FX3 when we reviewed it but

42:34

we had to send it back right away. But there's

42:37

no reason that I, with the glass,

42:39

I'm fully capable of using any system.

42:41

It's just where's the menu set

42:43

up and just... Well that's the issue is

42:45

your main A camera is shooting with an

42:47

FX3 correct, a slot 3. We chose, yeah

42:49

so we had an option between FX9 and

42:52

FX3 because they didn't have any FX6

42:54

that is available in the rental pool

42:57

that we can get from

42:59

Lent Rentals slash Sony directly. I thought

43:01

the FX9 was just overkill and

43:04

also I feel that it's slightly older and

43:06

the fact that when you hear that

43:08

it takes XQD cards, I'm like hey,

43:10

something taken to the XQD cards at

43:12

this point and doesn't take CF Express

43:15

B or CF Express A, I don't

43:18

want to use it. I mean the FX6 is a

43:20

nice compromise between the two especially because they have a

43:22

lot that E and G set up that you can

43:24

get with it too for Run and Gun

43:26

but the FX3 is also the newest one. It's

43:28

essentially an A7S3 but in

43:30

a cinema body. Yeah and so

43:33

probably for future production, we

43:35

will either decide to go with like

43:37

FX6s or maybe

43:39

we end up with Canon. It all depends on where

43:42

we get the stuff and who we get it from for

43:45

the show. It is a good line item

43:47

savings if we can get it from Canon

43:49

or Nikon just for... Sorry, Canon or Sony

43:52

just to say like shot with Canon or

43:54

shot with Sony but really that comes down

43:56

to what the shooters are comfortable with and

43:58

what they generally shoot with and that's

44:00

coming on Thursday seem

44:02

to be comfortable with everything from

44:04

the most basic FX3 all the

44:06

way up to the like

44:09

Sony Venus or whatever the top of

44:11

the line Sony cinema

44:14

cameras are. Like uses

44:16

all of that. So that's the A-shooter.

44:18

The A-shooter is we're gonna be shooting

44:20

24 to 70 F2.8 version 2. He's gonna have a 70

44:25

to 200 2.8 version 2. I'm

44:27

gonna be packing some Sony gear for him

44:30

just in case like a 50-1.2 there's no 85 so

44:32

a 50-1.2 I'll probably take the 135-1.8 and

44:38

a 35-1.4 just

44:41

so that he has some other oh and a

44:43

100 macro maybe there's something he wants to do

44:45

with a 100 macro I just want to be

44:47

prepared for him especially

44:49

that I'm I'm doing B

44:51

roll the B camera and

44:54

I'm doing producing so I'm like the producer

44:56

on the ground you know what I find

44:58

fascinating and I know I'm talking a lot

45:00

on my own podcast here. How dare you?

45:03

What I find fascinating is that Steven has

45:05

a six-inch fence. I

45:08

gotta block the ants man. I gotta block

45:10

the ants from invading. Except

45:12

they can build an ant chain over it.

45:14

What I find fascinating is the more that

45:16

I see how the back end works and

45:18

the more I see other productions in in

45:20

the past and how these shooters

45:22

work and and how everybody does it I realized

45:24

that Steven and I are a production company

45:27

and have been for 13 years producing

45:29

my own content. We've been producing

45:31

me and that's pre

45:34

you know if we do pre-production

45:36

that's all the editing all

45:39

the shooting all the ideas all the

45:41

everything that's involved as a small basically

45:43

one-man band. I've said it before like

45:45

with the Ernie documentary the typewriter show

45:47

like some of the bigger shoots that

45:49

we did where it was literally me

45:51

and you for the most part. Well

45:53

let's just give credit on the typewriter

45:55

shoot Lil Dan. I think Dan may

45:57

have helped us carry some stuff and

45:59

Todd was a runner if you want

46:01

to call him that and he didn't

46:03

do shit. Todd, Todd

46:06

did edit it though. I will give him that. Oh, he

46:08

did edit it. I don't want to edit it. But in

46:10

terms of the production, the shoot. The production, Todd, we had

46:12

Todd out there to help with like angles

46:14

and then like asking

46:17

questions. But in

46:19

the future, I would ask all the questions because I

46:21

think I'm really good at doing interviews and

46:24

getting what I need out of someone quickly

46:26

because it's just, I have a good feel

46:28

for it. The reason I'm

46:30

here for the bowling thing as the producer is

46:32

because I know all the bowlers. I

46:35

know how to talk to them. I know where we

46:37

can go and where we can't go. And I just

46:39

realized this, looking back at all the things we've done,

46:41

I need to give us

46:43

more credit for being production companies because

46:45

we are fully capable. If someone called and

46:48

said, hey, we need to do X, we

46:50

could pull it off and get the

46:52

extra crew if that was ever needed and

46:54

be real deal. And hey, don't

46:56

get me wrong. It doesn't mean that

46:59

it's easy to do this kind of stuff when

47:01

you get thrown everything all at once at you

47:03

and you're trying to be a jack of all

47:05

trades and do it all and you're kind of

47:07

a master of none because you can't really perfect

47:09

everything when you're doing everything. It

47:12

is nice to have these larger crews or even

47:14

a skeleton crew, but we do get the job

47:16

done because at the end of the day, it's

47:19

YouTube and doesn't need to be a perfectly

47:21

polished piece. Although I

47:23

still am super proud of that Bernie documentary

47:25

personally. The Bernie doc is great. Looks

47:27

great. Sounds great. Everything about that I think came out

47:30

really. What was the shot on Steven? Nikon

47:32

Z6. That's right. Well, trust

47:34

me, the run and gun autofocus with that

47:36

camera was incredibly rough, but I made it

47:38

work. As we always said, there's limitations with

47:41

cameras, but you can still work around that

47:43

and still get things to work. But there

47:45

are plenty of shots and I'm like, damn,

47:47

that completely back focused and I can't use

47:49

it and I wish I could, but you'll

47:51

never know and it'll never see the light

47:53

of day because it's misfocused. Yeah,

47:56

but it's still a great documentary and no one's

47:58

like, oh dude, what'd you shoot this with? because

48:01

it works. But speaking of running gun, we were

48:03

kind of getting you to understand

48:05

log and CLOG3 and all of that.

48:08

You're going to have to bring a bunch of NDs too in

48:10

case you're outside or anything bright because your base ISO is going to

48:12

be 800 for CLOG3 on the

48:14

R3. The only one thing that would

48:16

be really nice if you guys did end up

48:18

getting the FX9s is it has electronic NDs built

48:20

in. So you have that three-stop ND inside the

48:23

camera. You don't have to worry about filters and

48:25

all of that. You can simply adjust that to

48:28

FX6 as well. But the FX3 lacks that. Well

48:30

the rumors are that the FX3 might add that. Yeah

48:33

but it doesn't exist obviously right now. No it doesn't

48:35

exist now. So you had to

48:37

bring a bunch of step-up rings for your extra Sony

48:39

shooter just in case because you got

48:41

all types of different filter threads for those Sony

48:43

lenses. Well that's the thing like

48:45

when you are, even if you're assisting

48:48

someone or producing, you should always have

48:50

an extra bag of stuff like that

48:53

you like gaff tape right or

48:55

you throw a GoPro in there

48:57

because maybe or an Ace Pro

48:59

or an Insta360 360 camera and you just throw

49:01

it in your bag and you're like hey I

49:03

brought this. You never know. Do you need it?

49:05

I severely over pack every time we go anywhere

49:07

to do whatever it may be whether it's a

49:09

new product that we're reviewing or a press trip.

49:12

Half the time we don't even know what we're

49:14

dealing with. We don't know beforehand like what we're going

49:16

to be shooting with or what the camera is or

49:18

whatever it may be. So I

49:20

bring everything because I don't want to be sitting there

49:22

like I wish I had brought this step-up ring with

49:24

this ND filter or I wish I brought a piece

49:26

of gaff tape. Just the littlest things, the little accessories

49:28

will save you on a shoot. Yeah

49:30

and that's as simple as taking a pen

49:33

and wrapping gaff tape around the pen. Exactly. You

49:35

never know like when you're just going to need

49:37

a little couple pieces of gaff tape and you

49:39

just wrap it around the pen and you have

49:41

it. Now speaking of packing, that is

49:43

one of the difficult things for me to do

49:46

for this trip right now because

49:48

going to Kansas, there's nothing

49:50

direct from Philly. I don't

49:53

think there's really anything direct into Kansas at

49:55

all unless you're coming from Dallas but the

49:57

point is the commuter flight.

50:00

regular flight and then I got to get

50:04

Embraer 175 which has a much

50:06

smaller overhead bin but you know

50:08

that bag the airport

50:10

advantage plus from Think Tank which has

50:13

been discontinued we have an airport

50:15

advantage X key upstairs or

50:17

something I'm just worried that that thing

50:19

wouldn't fit in the thing so I'm

50:21

still taking the one that's behind me

50:23

that you guys can't see the problem

50:25

is I don't know where all the

50:27

inserts for that bag is and so

50:29

if I use a bigger bags inserts

50:31

it's harder to fit because it's a

50:33

narrow it's shorter so we do have

50:35

in the basement a giant box full

50:37

of just inserts from Think Tank bags

50:39

but it's probably ten bags

50:42

worth of inserts so it's a lot right go through to

50:44

find the right ones and I've mixed and

50:47

matched from one bag to the other

50:49

a lot and so I can't always go back to it

50:51

but the thing is I have to take that roller bag

50:53

because I can't check it I'm gonna have my r3s I'm

50:55

taking two r3s 24 to 105 instead of a 28 to

50:57

70 because a 24

51:00

to 105 is more versatile and it has image stabilization

51:03

where the 28 to 70 wasn't

51:05

and it doesn't have a 95 millimeter filter thread

51:07

to be a lot

51:09

harder to find an ND for that one which

51:11

we should probably ask Peter McKinnon if he has

51:13

some ND filter hey Peter why

51:15

you don't know doesn't polar pro send us anything

51:17

no we have a lot of entities that he

51:19

sent the first time but not

51:21

the second version okay the magnet one would be

51:24

kind of cool the new one yeah yeah I should

51:26

I was talking to him last night maybe I should be

51:28

like hey Peter can I get some of those magnets or

51:30

maybe I'll just buy it and then rent it it's a

51:33

write-off it's a write-off and then I'll rent it and

51:35

I'll make money so trying to

51:37

pack this bag taking the extra stuff for

51:39

the Sony shooter taking the stuff that I

51:41

need to take then I have to also

51:43

oh I'm also going to be wrangling all

51:45

of the digital files so I will

51:48

have my laptop hooked up and

51:50

card readers and external four terabyte drives

51:52

I've got the Samsung drives yeah I'll

51:54

be right are you bringing because that's

51:56

the scary part you guys might be

51:58

leaving with a a shit ton of footage. I

52:02

mean, I'll probably have four to six, four

52:05

terabytes just to have it. So I had,

52:07

for example, on the Bernie trip, which

52:09

was what, two days, right, for us? Three?

52:12

For you, yeah. I shot for two days straight, and

52:14

I had 2.5 terabytes worth of data. Wow. And

52:17

that was E6, which was much

52:20

smaller file size than what you're gonna be shooting

52:22

with the R3. Especially

52:24

if you're doing 4K 120 clips here and there

52:26

too. Which I'm gonna be doing that,

52:28

that's for me to do. So

52:30

I'll have all those, I'm gonna bring extra drives.

52:32

I'm just gonna have to figure out how to organize

52:35

and have backups of everything. Jesus, this is a pain

52:37

in, this is a lot. It's a lot. It's

52:39

a lot for what I'll be doing. But

52:41

we'll have to figure out how to organize

52:43

this stuff. And if we, oh, I'm also gonna

52:46

end up taking extra CF Express A cards because

52:48

that's what the FX3 takes. So

52:50

I have all the CF Express B cards. See, I was

52:52

hoping to use a camera that used CF Express B, which

52:55

is what the FX6 uses. Sony

52:57

went ahead and put the FX6, put a CF

52:59

Express B in there. Well, that would be great.

53:01

I've got 1.3 terabytes. I've got one,

53:04

two, three, four. They

53:06

probably did that just because it's a

53:08

much bigger body. Well, I've got four

53:10

one terabytes CF Express Bs.

53:12

I got 1.3 terabyte. I've

53:15

got five 12s. And of course I

53:17

got 325. So I've got a lot of

53:19

cards. Now it's just a matter of, now

53:21

I just feel like I need to take every single backup

53:24

I've got just in case for those

53:26

SSDs because it just can't be

53:28

in one place. It's gotta be on multiple. If you

53:30

added up all those cards, how much money do you think

53:33

that is? Because you got the cobalt. Eight, nine grams? CF

53:35

Express B cards. Probably eight or $9,000. They're

53:37

not cheap. Wow. I could rent it. It

53:40

says I should rent it for $50 a card, shoot.

53:42

Media is not cheap. You imagine that, $50 a day

53:44

or $25 a day. It's

53:46

like Lens Rentals is charging $48, or

53:50

no, it's like $28 to rent a GorillaPod XT

53:52

or something. I'm

53:56

like, come on guys. I'm like, fuck you. Not

54:00

to the rental company, but at that point, you just, it's

54:02

like that's the thing, like, hey, I've got one of these,

54:05

I'll bring it. Like that's the thing that I'm doing with

54:07

a lot, is one, it's my, I'm

54:09

part of the production. So the bottom line

54:11

is, I guess, less money you spend on

54:13

rentals, the more money there is for everybody

54:15

as a profit at some point. So, but

54:18

I'm also cognizant of that, of

54:20

how you spend the money. And I just feel like

54:23

that's not a good use of money in certain situations.

54:25

And in other situations, I'm like, I gotta back the

54:27

fuck away because it's not, I can't

54:30

micromanage this or nitpick everything, let them do

54:32

what they need to do. So

54:35

we gotta wrap it so that I can

54:37

start preparing and packing, because

54:39

I have a six plus, early

54:42

6.30 flight, I gotta

54:44

go to Dallas and I gotta go from Dallas

54:46

to Kansas City where it's gonna be 40

54:48

degrees and then

54:50

it's gonna be negative five degrees the next day. Really?

54:53

Yeah. Wow. And on Sunday for the

54:55

football game, it's gonna be like negative five in Kansas

54:57

City. I didn't know it got that cold there. Wow.

55:00

Yeah, it's the planes. It's the planes,

55:02

bro. The plane, the plane. So

55:06

as of now, the goal is,

55:08

oh, we also have a sound guy that we have

55:10

to get there who has his gear and, so

55:13

as we wanna mic up some of

55:15

the bowlers and he's got a boom mic, so

55:17

good, like this is the real deal.

55:19

Now this isn't the crew, like the idea is in

55:21

the future, we will have the same shooters that go

55:23

from one event to the

55:26

next event and we have a set type

55:28

of gear that we're gonna be using and

55:30

it's more universal and we'll have like three

55:32

or four shooters at an event if we

55:34

need to. It's just like, I'm

55:36

really curious about how, I know we gotta

55:38

end this soon, but real quick, how post-production

55:40

works after all of this, once

55:42

it gets organized, all of the media,

55:45

what happens then? You know, is there a producer, a

55:47

director on the side of the edit that's

55:50

trying to figure out how to organize all of this footage and what

55:52

to do with it? Yeah. Because it's kind of, you don't really know

55:54

what you're getting until you get it. It's

55:56

a documentary. What they do and they did it with the sizzle reel

55:59

is they ingest everything into their... backend server, their

56:01

software and then they get transcripts

56:03

of everything. I think that's all

56:05

created now. So they know where

56:08

everything is, they organize it and

56:10

they make notes and they go through and it's just

56:12

a process. And yeah, there is a person that will

56:14

direct the edit and yeah, that's

56:16

how the backend is going to work and

56:19

then we'll watch cuts and give input and

56:21

say, oh, I shot this or that

56:23

in a certain situation. The other

56:25

thing that was discussed is should I just

56:27

focus on taking stills versus doing

56:30

video because stills are valuable except for

56:32

the fact that the Boeing

56:34

center stuff is boring as

56:36

shit. And the moving

56:38

pictures are more important for this because

56:40

it's very difficult to integrate the still

56:43

images into the final show. Now, I

56:45

think that would be fantastic if there

56:47

was a way to incorporate the still

56:49

images properly into a show, but maybe

56:51

that's something we can consider in the

56:53

future. I could see end credits including

56:56

stills, the movie poster itself, promotional assets

56:58

like that kind of stuff you'll need

57:00

stills for, but I don't know

57:02

how much you'll need them in the actual documentary part. Yeah.

57:05

Yeah. So there's a lot of moving parts

57:07

here, a lot of things that I need to do. I need to get

57:10

those damn inserts because I need to pack the bag. Oh, and

57:12

I need to bring a backpack too. And

57:14

so it's like, am I going to get shit

57:16

when I'm flying because they're going to be like,

57:18

here guys, open up my bag. None

57:21

of this can get checked. Now I

57:23

am first class going from Dallas to-

57:26

I don't expect anything less. Kansas.

57:29

I was upgraded because I'm executive

57:32

platinum pro bitch. Ooh, look at

57:34

me. If you're

57:36

in the camp, I want to go to

57:38

Topeka just so I can be like, it's almost famous. I'm

57:41

a golden god. I'm

57:43

on drugs. 3137109729,

57:46

get those texts. Oh

57:49

shit. I should probably put that out on

57:51

Instagram because this is coming out when

57:54

I'm already going to be there. I

57:56

didn't even think about that. Thursday

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and it coming out like that night. Yeah, I forgot.

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That's funny. Yeah. All right, guys, I got to

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get stuff to do. Stephen's got to get stuff

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to do. Dan, I don't know what the fuck

58:09

Dan's doing. I know what Dan's doing. He's working

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on Photo News Fix. He's working hard. We always

58:13

mess with him, but we're just joking. I don't

58:16

know that he's working hard because I never see

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him anymore. I know. He's been working from home

58:20

for three years. Yeah, but I keep track of

58:22

him. I should have a zoom camera on at

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all times. Dan, I

58:27

need to watch you edit. Ball and chain.

58:29

I need to watch you edit. If you're editing, I need to watch.

58:31

I need to make sure. We're going to we're

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going to we're going to sign off. Thank you

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very much for listening. Jared Polin, frontofsphoto.com. See

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ya. Bye.