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chief science Officer at revana,

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a company dedicated to healthy aging

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and longevity. After years

1:01

of studying science backed research on health

1:03

and aging orthopedic spine surgeon,

1:05

Carl developed a proprietary supplement

1:08

that targets health on a molecular level.

1:12

That supplement backed by scientific publications

1:15

delivers a direct signal to cellular

1:17

pathways in order to maintain health,

1:19

longevity, and an athletic lifestyle as

1:21

we age. This is something that

1:23

applies to each of us because, well,

1:26

we all age, don't we? All

1:28

right. Let's bring in Carl. Hi,

1:31

everyone. Welcome to From Lab

1:34

to Launch. We're so excited to speak, be speaking with

1:36

you today. You're exactly the type of person

1:38

we love to have on the show because everyone

1:40

here could learn so much from your research and

1:42

expertise.

1:44

Thank you.

1:44

Thanks, Carl. To get us started, could you tell

1:46

us a little bit more about your background and

1:49

how you went from being a spine surgeon to

1:51

co-founder of an anti-aging supplement company?

1:54

Sure. Yeah. That is somewhat of a circuitous

1:56

route, but uh, yeah. I am

1:58

a fellowship trained orthopedic spine surgeon.

2:01

But I do have a very strong background in

2:03

applied science. I spent a

2:05

little time at Rockefeller University doing genetic

2:08

work. I also, uh,

2:10

spent some time in the surgical oncology

2:12

branch of the n I H. So

2:14

I've got my background in sciences.

2:17

Uh, my background before medical school

2:19

was chemistry. So those types of

2:21

experiences provide you with kind of a broad

2:23

understanding of how complicated science

2:25

can be, but in a very methodical

2:28

way you can solve problems.

2:31

And I followed the field of lifespan

2:33

healthspan and cancer risk reduction,

2:36

uh, research for probably over 20 years

2:39

outside of my main line of work, which is obviously

2:41

orthopedic spine work. And

2:44

I felt as though it was time to participate

2:46

in the distribution of this type of information

2:48

to the public cuz I just don't

2:50

see the public catching on. And

2:52

that was kind of my real motivation,

2:55

uh, to get into this field.

2:58

Interesting. And so aging

3:01

is inevitable for all of us. Um,

3:03

but very few of us know what actually causes

3:06

aging. How do you explain aging

3:08

from your research?

3:09

Sure, and look, aging can be different

3:11

things to different people, but in

3:13

its simplest form we age

3:16

because the cells in our body lose

3:18

their identity. People don't

3:20

really understand or remember

3:23

that every cell in your body has

3:25

the same d n A in it. So

3:27

what makes a brain cell versus

3:29

a skin cell is what genes are

3:31

turned on and off in that cell.

3:34

And if the, if the cell

3:36

is turning the right proteins

3:38

on and off, your cell maintains

3:41

its identity. When the wrong

3:43

proteins are made, the wrong genes

3:45

are turned on and off, your cell loses

3:48

its identity. So imagine

3:50

a brain cell all of a sudden

3:52

functioning as a skin cell. I mean, that's

3:54

how you get cognitive decline. Imagine

3:57

a cartilage cell converting

4:00

to a skin cell. That's how you get arthritis.

4:03

You know, imagine a cardiac cell

4:05

changing into a bone cell.

4:08

That's how you get calcification in

4:10

your, you know, vasculature. So

4:12

when your cells lose their identity,

4:15

you start to age. And that is basically

4:17

what's referred to as the information

4:19

theory of aging. And that

4:22

that is not a new theory that's been

4:24

out there for a long period of time. But

4:27

the bottom line is when your cells lose their

4:29

function, you start to age.

4:31

And that's the way everybody should think of aging

4:34

today. That's

4:36

a great perspective.

4:37

Mm-hmm. What is the current state of

4:39

longevity research and how are you unlocking

4:42

the T key to slowing that aging process

4:44

and dare we say, even reversing it?

4:46

Yeah, well look, those are two

4:49

good questions. Um, because.

4:51

I think what you wanna ask is not,

4:54

can we reverse aging? Cuz people

4:56

view that as science fiction. I

4:58

think what you really wanna ask is, can

5:00

we accelerate aging by doing all the

5:02

wrong things? And can we decelerate

5:05

aging by doing all the right things? And

5:07

the answer is a resounding yes. There's

5:09

no question we can accelerate

5:11

aging or we can decelerate aging.

5:14

There are ways to actually reverse

5:16

aspects of aging. And if

5:18

you look at the articles published,

5:21

uh, You'll see that they can take an older

5:23

mouse and reverse the age all the way back

5:25

to a young mouse. Don't forget

5:28

the people that won the Nobel Prize

5:30

in this field that occurred in 2012,

5:33

where they took an adult cell

5:35

and reversed the age all the way back to a stem

5:38

cell. So age reversal is

5:40

real, but we're not gonna do some

5:42

of those things to actually reverse aging

5:45

in the human population. But

5:47

we can certainly slow aging,

5:49

decelerate aging, and we can certainly

5:51

accelerate aging. So

5:54

the field is fairly sophisticated

5:56

today. Uh, there are a lot

5:58

of signal molecules and I, and

6:00

I refer to this category, uh, as the

6:02

category of signal molecules. I think when

6:05

we talk about aging, we think

6:07

about exercise. We

6:09

think about diet, and we think about signal

6:11

molecules today, and I put vitamins

6:13

and minerals in the diet category. And

6:16

obviously we're not gonna talk about exercise

6:18

and diet, but they are very important categories.

6:22

But the third leg of that trinity,

6:24

so to speak, is signal molecules.

6:27

And the signal molecules basically work

6:30

in a way to, uh, focus

6:32

on three or

6:34

four key areas. The, you know,

6:36

in those areas are certain longevity

6:39

gene pathways. Which you might

6:41

have heard of. They're called sirtuins, a

6:43

pk and m tour. I don't want to get too

6:45

scientific, but that's one

6:47

category. The longevity gene pathways.

6:50

The second category are your Tels,

6:52

which you may have heard of. They are the, mm-hmm. The

6:55

caps on the ends of your d n A. Uh,

6:57

a third category is glucose metabolism.

7:00

We want to keep our glucose

7:02

levels down low, cuz as

7:05

they rise, you glycosylate

7:07

proteins and the proteins become less efficient.

7:10

And then the fourth category, or all the

7:12

anti-inflammatory antioxidants.

7:15

So tho those are the, the, the four

7:17

big categories to address lifespan

7:20

and healthspan today that

7:22

are inside the signal molecule,

7:24

uh, molecule category. And

7:27

the science is fairly sophisticated and

7:30

very convincing with regards

7:33

to slowing and decelerating the aging

7:35

process if you participate

7:38

in that category of signal molecules.

7:40

And that is basically the category of revana.

7:43

You know, obviously my website talks about diet

7:46

and exercise, and I have a bunch

7:48

of YouTube videos on that, but

7:51

Revana is in the category of

7:53

signal molecules. Well,

7:56

that leads

7:57

us right into Revana. Can you tell us more about

7:59

Revana and your

8:00

recent launch? Sure. So

8:02

Revana, um, launched

8:05

just in January of this year. Um,

8:08

took a lot longer to put it all together than we

8:10

thought, but, um, Revana

8:12

basically provides five

8:15

main components. And again,

8:17

those are the components that work on those. Four

8:20

categories that we talked about, and

8:22

one is n m N, which you may have

8:24

heard of. The mononuclear tie

8:26

gets a lot of publicity and

8:28

it should, it's a, it's a great molecule.

8:31

It works to raise something

8:33

in every cell in your body called N A D.

8:35

And as your n a D levels drop,

8:38

your cell loses its identity.

8:40

So n m N, very important. So that

8:43

is one of the components of Resana.

8:46

But you know, what I felt was, was

8:48

lacking in this field was you

8:50

can buy nmn, but yet

8:52

somehow it leaves out all the other

8:54

pathways that we're talking about that are

8:56

important. Uh, nmn works

8:59

on the sirtuin pathway, but

9:01

somehow the a and PK pathway, the

9:03

mTOR pathway, the telomere pathway,

9:06

the glucose pathway, and the antioxidant

9:08

pathways are left behind. So

9:10

we tried to provide a, a,

9:13

uh, A supplement that

9:15

would address all of these. So burberine

9:18

was one of the components, and you may

9:20

have heard of burberine, it's kind of the non-prescription

9:23

hypoglycemic that's out there.

9:26

If you look at something like Go Low,

9:29

you know it has burberine in it. It's again,

9:31

to try and maintain your blood sugar level. And

9:34

people do see weight loss from something

9:36

like that. But the goal of burberine

9:38

is to lower your blood sugar and, and,

9:41

and keep it at what's considered a healthy level.

9:44

Um, the third component of

9:46

revana is otro, which

9:49

again works more on the telomere

9:51

pathway. Then we've got,

9:53

uh, resveratrol, which works

9:55

more on, uh, some

9:57

of the other longevity gene pathways,

10:00

and then Quercetin is in there, which

10:02

is the fifth component of Revana

10:04

that works to remove

10:06

the CIN cells. In

10:08

your body, the cells that lose their identity,

10:11

you wanna remove them so that your body

10:13

can re replace those with,

10:16

you know, normal cells. And all

10:18

of these function as very powerful

10:20

antioxidants, which

10:22

is very important because the

10:25

free radicals, which everybody gets throughout

10:27

every cell in their body, causes

10:29

damage to the cell. Damage to the D

10:31

n A and again, contributes towards.

10:34

Uh, the, the aging process.

10:37

So we wanted to provide a comprehensive

10:39

product based upon all

10:42

the science that's been out there for the past 20

10:44

years, because it's very cumbersome

10:46

to take all of these individually, very

10:48

cumbersome, to figure out what the correct doses

10:51

are. Very cumbersome to figure out how

10:53

when you take them, you maximize

10:55

their absorption. So that was our

10:57

goal. And I would preface

10:59

it by saying a lot, all the

11:01

original research was done by

11:04

the scientists, the PhDs at

11:06

these, you know, great institutions

11:08

at Rockefeller, at, at Harvard,

11:10

at m i t, at all the great institutions.

11:13

The, their research is what

11:15

led to the development of me putting it

11:17

all together. Um, and I see,

11:20

you know, some of the other companies are slowly

11:22

kind of jumping on the bandwagon and

11:24

making combination products, but. I

11:27

think is the, is the first combination

11:30

product that supplies them all.

11:32

Because it's also important to recognize

11:34

that the whole is worth more than

11:36

the sum of the parts. They're all synergistic.

11:39

They all have to be taken together, and

11:41

that's why we decided to put this all together.

11:45

I think that's

11:45

such an important point. The whole picture

11:48

and accounting for all of those pathways

11:50

is important.

11:52

Um, Yeah, I,

11:54

I find that, and look, I, having

11:56

done basic research myself, it's easy

11:59

to focus almost with blinders

12:01

on with your single

12:03

molecule. It's hard to scan

12:05

the entire literature of published work

12:08

and try and, uh, uh,

12:10

provide some type of uniform or and

12:13

unified concept to it all. But

12:15

based upon all the information that's out

12:17

there today, those are the categories

12:20

that we wanna address. And these are the

12:22

molecules we want circulating on our body

12:24

all the time. That's

12:27

fantastic. Yeah. And to have 'em all together,

12:29

um, as you said, and a holistic approach.

12:31

That's really smart. Yeah. Um,

12:33

congratulations on your recent launch. You

12:35

did mention that it took longer, um,

12:38

than you anticipated. What obstacles did

12:40

your team encounter going

12:42

from lab, from research

12:43

to lab to launch? Yeah, yeah. Um,

12:46

yeah, it was quite a journey. Um,

12:49

you know, when this whole project started,

12:52

This started very organically

12:54

in my, my neighborhood, where I

12:57

realized I had a lot of really successful

12:59

friends, smart people who just

13:01

knew nothing about, about

13:03

this field of healthspan and lifespan.

13:05

I. Um, so my, my plan

13:08

was initially years ago we were gonna have

13:10

a neighborhood party and I was gonna lecture to them

13:12

all and finally I would be the one

13:14

being able to speak cuz they all seemed

13:16

to be attorneys and bankers and finance people,

13:19

and they're all smart, successful people. But

13:21

they knew very little about this field. Um,

13:24

and then the, and then Covid struck

13:27

and we couldn't get together and we decided we'd put

13:29

it on a website. So we put

13:31

the website together. And

13:33

then we realized it was very cumbersome

13:35

to buy all these products individually,

13:38

so we decided we would, um,

13:41

put the product on the website not knowing.

13:43

Once the attorneys looked at the website, they

13:46

educated us about how the FDA

13:49

does not allow for certain things to be

13:51

said. So we had to remove

13:53

a lot of information from the website,

13:56

which was very frustrating. Had I known that,

13:58

I'm not sure I would've put the product on

14:00

the website. Because I think the information

14:02

is very compelling if you understand

14:04

it. I think if people can explain

14:07

to you why these are very important,

14:10

you will automatically jump on the bandwagon.

14:13

But, um, I'm hoping people

14:15

will read between the lines and understand

14:17

these are very valuable things to take. We

14:19

can talk about aging because

14:22

aging is not considered a disease.

14:25

We can't talk about any disease, cardiovascular

14:28

disease, cognitive decline, Alzheimer's,

14:30

things like that. We can talk about

14:32

maintaining health, but

14:34

we can't talk about treating or

14:37

or slowing a disease,

14:39

which was a little frustrating. We didn't know that at

14:41

the start. So that set us back

14:43

quite a bit. But ultimately

14:45

we we're up and running and

14:48

you know, we feel as though this information is very

14:50

valuable and we hope that it gets

14:52

out into the public media. That's

14:55

terrific.

14:57

Health supplements, especially for aging,

14:59

may get a bad rap given the state of the supplement

15:02

industry. Thinking about snake

15:04

oil, underdosing, lack of transparency

15:06

and massive of quality concerns, especially

15:09

post covid. How do you address the

15:11

current state of the health supplement industry

15:13

at Revana and making sure you stand out?

15:15

Yeah, and look, I did not wanna be

15:18

in the, uh, Supplement

15:21

category, but I guess we are

15:24

by default cuz I don't know what other category

15:26

we would be in. I like to think of myself

15:28

as in the signal molecule category

15:30

or the messenger molecule category.

15:33

Cuz when I think of supplements, I think of

15:35

vitamins and minerals like vitamin D

15:38

or zinc or magnesium. And

15:40

look. Certain, you know, vitamins

15:42

and minerals are important, but it's extremely

15:45

rare to be vitamin deficient in

15:47

this country. It's extremely rare

15:49

to be, uh, mineral, you

15:52

know, deficient in this country. But

15:54

it can happen, but it's very unlikely.

15:57

Um, So we are

15:59

somehow in that supplement category, but

16:01

I like to think of us as a separate category

16:03

of signal molecules, which is the

16:06

N M N category, the resveratrol

16:08

category. We're talking about organic molecules

16:11

or organic compounds that are found

16:13

in nature. They're, they

16:15

just, you just can't get a high enough dose of them. To

16:19

be, you know, to see the benefits

16:21

that we're looking for. Now

16:23

the other issue is with the supplement market is

16:25

sometimes doses and absorption

16:27

get confusing. You know, you can't

16:29

just swallow certain tablets that are

16:31

fat soluble and expect them to be absorbed.

16:35

Uh, so the dose is important because even

16:37

if you do take these

16:39

molecules with fat soluble

16:41

substances like yogurt, Still,

16:44

only a small percent get absorbed,

16:46

and that's why you need a daily dose of them and

16:48

you need a certain dose ingested

16:51

because maybe sometimes five or 10%

16:53

actually circulate throughout your body. So

16:56

if you're taking a really low dose and

16:58

only a small dose of that is getting absorbed,

17:00

you're really not seeing the benefits that we've seen in

17:03

the lab and most

17:05

of the stuff that we have, the

17:07

doses that we chose. The,

17:10

the reason for a tablet versus, versus

17:12

a capsule were because some of these

17:14

molecules are absorbed in the distal

17:17

GI system, not in the proximal

17:19

GI system. So we, we don't want it to

17:21

break up too quickly. We needed to get into

17:23

the colon where some of them are absorbed

17:25

or the distal intestines. So,

17:28

you know, we tried to pick our doses

17:30

based on all the publications, and

17:33

some of these have track records

17:35

that go back a thousand years around the world.

17:38

So none of this is, is earth shatteringly

17:40

new, which is also frustrating. This

17:43

is information that's been out there.

17:45

And look, I will tell you, even as a physician,

17:48

uh, you know, I didn't know this 20,

17:50

30 years ago either. And

17:53

like, I wish I had done all the right things for

17:55

30 years rather than just the last 10

17:57

years. Uh, so. The

18:00

earlier people understand this, I think

18:02

the earlier people will adopt it and,

18:04

and utilize these principles, not

18:06

just with the signal molecules, but

18:08

with exercise and with

18:11

diet. Cuz it all, it is all very

18:13

valuable, but the whole supplement

18:15

market I I understand has a bit

18:17

of a cloud over it because there's

18:19

a lot of snake oil out there for sure. Um,

18:22

and that's why we picked the five

18:24

components that have hundreds of publications.

18:28

In terms of usage, safety,

18:30

and efficacy. And, uh, they,

18:33

some of those molecules that we chose may

18:35

be replaced by other molecules

18:38

down the road, which is fine. Our, our

18:40

composition may change, but

18:42

we need enough information in

18:44

order to change our own formula down the road.

18:49

Looks like you've taken a really research and

18:51

science backed approach to your development

18:53

there.

18:54

Yeah, look, I, I do want this

18:56

to stand separate out there from

18:58

the vitamins and the minerals, which I think are

19:01

the bulk of the, um,

19:03

supplement market. Um,

19:05

you know, you're starting to see other things enter

19:07

into that market, but by and large it's

19:09

largely vitamins and minerals.

19:12

Um, you even start to see,

19:14

you know, other stuff that's like, you know,

19:17

vegetables pulverized into a tablet,

19:19

but you know it, the idea

19:22

of that is okay, but you as

19:24

the public need to know you

19:26

need a certain milligram dose of

19:28

particular organic molecules.

19:30

You need to know what that milligram dose

19:32

is, because those are the doses

19:34

that we see giving benefits in the lab.

19:37

And in large epidemiologic studies,

19:39

you know, large observational studies with

19:41

large populations of people. So

19:44

our science has evolved to a point

19:46

where we know what those doses

19:48

should be. So that's what we should

19:50

be offering to the public.

19:54

I feel like there needs to be more education campaigns

19:57

around aging and healthy

19:58

aging. That's the problem.

20:00

Uh, people view this idea

20:02

of, uh, age reversal as science

20:05

fiction. So I'm trying to get

20:07

away from that. And when people ask me that question,

20:09

I'm trying to redirect the question and

20:11

reformulate it to be, can we

20:13

slow aging? You know, can we accelerate

20:16

aging? And we absolutely can. And that's

20:18

the goal here. You know, we will

20:20

have to wait about 50 years

20:22

to prove that people that live this

20:24

way and take these molecules live

20:26

longer. You know, if you follow this

20:28

field, you'll see people

20:31

on, uh, in the field will boast

20:33

at their. Biological age

20:35

is 10 years younger than the chronological

20:37

age. Well, I had my D

20:39

n A tested, and I too was biologically

20:43

10 years younger, a decade younger than my

20:45

chronological age. I've been doing

20:47

this for a while. I will tell you

20:49

my wife's biological age came

20:51

back 16 years younger than their

20:53

chronologic age. And I

20:55

think it's not uncommon for women to

20:57

probably, uh, age

20:59

younger. Because they, they probably

21:01

have been doing better for longer, you

21:04

know, outside of the signal molecule arena.

21:06

Their diets are better. They probably don't

21:09

smoke cigars, they don't drink as

21:11

much. So I think in general,

21:13

you know, some of the stuff we do is probably

21:15

a one-way street, but a

21:17

lot of what we can do is reversible,

21:20

but we will have to wait 50 years for me

21:22

to convince you. I've lived,

21:25

you know, 20 years beyond my expected

21:27

age. And that's, that's

21:29

a long time to wait. I think the information

21:32

is so believable today

21:34

that nobody should wait. Uh, and

21:36

it's not just about lifespan,

21:39

it's about healthspan. It's about living healthier

21:41

and longer. Now, no one wants to live

21:44

longer and be in a wheelchair. We wanna

21:46

live longer after retirement and

21:48

enjoy ourselves, play golf, sports,

21:50

tennis, jog, triathlons,

21:52

ski, all those types of things. So

21:55

it's about living healthier, maintaining

21:58

your present state of physical activity

22:00

that you have now, and not seeing

22:03

the slow deterioration that accompanies

22:05

aging.

22:08

Absolutely. And we'll be back in 50 years

22:10

for an update in this podcast. Yeah.

22:13

Switching gears a little bit, back to you, Carl.

22:16

What advice or lesson would you share with a friend

22:18

who is starting a company in life sciences today?

22:21

Well look, I would tell people not

22:23

to be discouraged cuz there are lots of

22:25

hurdles there. It's, uh,

22:28

you know, I, I was told in the beginning

22:30

that there was probably a less than 10%

22:33

chance that this would succeed. Um,

22:36

you know, there are a lot of roadblocks

22:39

and financial burdens. And look as a, as

22:41

a physician, this was never my primary source

22:43

of income. And I think you need

22:45

to be careful because, You

22:48

know, there's a lot of competition, there's a lot of expenses.

22:50

And for me, I went into

22:53

this understanding if I broke EAP and I would

22:55

consider that a success, I thought

22:57

the information was valuable enough that

23:00

the public needs this information right

23:02

between the eyes. So I, I

23:04

think, you know, if you're gonna go into something

23:06

like this, you need to understand

23:09

that it's not an easy process. It's expensive.

23:12

And probably the one bit of advice I would give

23:14

them is you need to, uh, uh,

23:17

Enact interact with the attorneys

23:20

early on. They will tell you

23:22

what you can do, what you can say,

23:24

cuz it might change the way you mold

23:27

your product and your, your, your message

23:29

to the public. I

23:31

think that's good advice

23:32

to have your regular regulatory pathway

23:34

mapped out. Yeah. As you get started. That's

23:37

great advice. If you could go back

23:39

to the start of your career and give yourself

23:41

one piece of advice, what do you think it would be?

23:44

Oh, uh, I, I will tell

23:46

you I probably did all the wrong things

23:48

that everybody else does. Um, you

23:51

know, when you're a busy, you

23:53

know, orthopedic surgeon or when

23:56

you're busy in any one of your fields,

23:58

you don't have a lot of time. to take

24:00

care of yourselves. You eat on the run

24:02

you eat, you know, when

24:04

you're eating in the hospital, in the operating room,

24:06

in between cases, I can guarantee you

24:08

there's nothing healthy about it. Uh,

24:11

but I realize today like the

24:13

Trinity to really maximizing

24:16

health span and lifespan is exercise

24:18

is diet. And it is,

24:20

uh, the signal molecule. So I would've

24:22

done all of this much earlier on

24:24

had I known what I know today,

24:27

and I'm trying to instill that information

24:29

into my, my children who are now

24:31

in their, their early twenties and late twenties.

24:34

And people don't realize that

24:36

we start to age probably in our mid

24:39

to late twenties. That's when all

24:41

these processes start. This

24:43

goes back to the Vietnam War when young

24:45

people had autopsies in restore cardiovascular

24:48

disease. Occurring in their late

24:50

teens and early twenties. So the

24:53

aging process starts early,

24:55

and all three of these

24:58

categories are incredibly valuable

25:00

and you gotta participate in all of them. You can't

25:03

pick one or two. You know,

25:05

you wanna maximize your outcome, you've gotta

25:07

participate in all three of them.

25:10

Well, I like to think of myself as a time

25:12

and gravity fighter myself. Mm-hmm. So now I have

25:14

a third way to fight this battle of

25:16

aging. Yes. Um, and keep

25:18

myself healthy as I age as well. Yeah.

25:20

Um, and for our last question,

25:23

we'd love to ask our guests, if we ran

25:25

into you at a bookstore, in what section would

25:27

we find you?

25:29

Well, I will tell you, I do have a book as well.

25:32

Um, if, if anybody's interested

25:35

in reading a story about what it's like

25:37

to go to medical school and become

25:39

an orthopedic surgeon, I have a book

25:41

that's out there called Shoot the Moon. Um,

25:45

and there is a little twist that's. Unraveled

25:47

and intertwined throughout the book. Um,

25:50

as I, I was exposed to a pretty tragic,

25:53

uh, accident. Uh, luckily I

25:55

survived, but, uh, the person

25:57

with me did not. Um,

26:00

but I think with regards to,

26:03

um, you know, a book

26:05

about this whole category, you

26:07

know, not just about revana, but

26:09

a, a book about me. I mean, I,

26:12

I'd like to be in, in probably

26:14

the section that deals with. Just

26:17

everyday life. I don't wanna

26:20

be in the science section, I don't wanna be

26:22

in the health and longevity section.

26:25

I, I want to somehow intertwine

26:29

all of this with everyday life.

26:31

I think when people start dieting

26:33

or they start doing particular things for

26:35

periods of time, they're destined

26:37

to fail. This is a lifelong

26:41

exposure where every day

26:43

makes a difference. Um,

26:45

and I think you've gotta start early

26:47

on understanding how

26:49

you are impacting your cellular

26:51

identity in every cell in your

26:54

body. And, and I want

26:56

this to be part of everyday life, whether

26:58

you're going to school or you're working

27:00

or you're going to a party. You've

27:03

gotta decide, you know, am I gonna smoke?

27:05

Am I gonna drink? Am I gonna expose

27:07

myself to toxins? You know, all of these

27:10

things are impacting our cellular identity.

27:12

The problem is, it's hard to measure. Now

27:15

we're talking about a slow erosion. It's

27:18

like emptying a swimming pool with a gallon

27:20

of water each day. You can't measure

27:23

it. And, but it's real.

27:25

It's there. And I, and I want

27:27

this to be just part of everybody's life.

27:31

Sounds like you have another

27:32

book to write, Carl.

27:33

Oh geez. I

27:35

dunno about that. We'll see.

27:38

Well, thanks so much for joining us today. It

27:40

was great to have you here. Um,

27:43

where can our listeners go to follow along and

27:45

connect with you?

27:47

So I have a website called revana.com

27:50

and there is a extensive section

27:52

in the resource area of the website

27:55

that has lots of articles to read. It

27:57

has a very extensive bibliography where

27:59

people can look up, uh, specific

28:01

articles as well as recommendations

28:03

for blood work that everybody should get, probably

28:05

once or twice a year starting at a young age.

28:09

Uh, I also have a bunch of YouTube

28:11

videos that explain the biology of food,

28:14

uh, the biology of lipids, which

28:16

I think people need to understand

28:18

at a young age. So if you wanted to find

28:20

those on, on YouTube, uh,

28:23

some of them are on my website. Not all of them

28:25

are linked yet, but. If you were to

28:28

Google on YouTube, uh, my name

28:30

and lipids, I think it'll come up. Or

28:32

a biology of food and it'll come up and I think

28:34

you'll, you'll enjoy watching them and, and

28:36

listening to them.

28:39

Terrific. Sounds like I have some reading and

28:41

some YouTube

28:41

videos to watch. You will enjoy

28:44

them. Yeah. This has been great.

28:46

It's been eye-opening as I age

28:48

into, uh, my next decade here soon.

28:50

So thank you so much, Carl.

28:52

Thank you. I appreciate it.