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Today. In the country of

0:50

beef steak, even a chicken is

0:53

a treat these days as rampant

0:55

inflation pushes the cost of living

0:57

ever higher in Argentina. How

1:00

harsh laws and social taboos

1:02

risking the health of women

1:04

and girls in Kenya? Would

1:07

you choose to go into the

1:09

Amazonian jungle with a former guerrilla

1:11

fighter? These days? Columbia invites you

1:14

to do just that to go

1:16

bird watching and the law of

1:18

the brought. Forced in Germany.

1:21

Don't mess around with the

1:23

recipe and. Forget about making

1:25

of Reagan version. This sausage

1:27

means far too much to

1:29

people. That.

1:31

First to Indonesia, the world's

1:33

largest Muslim majority democracy which

1:35

will vote for it's next

1:37

president on the fourteenth of

1:39

February. Current opinion polls suggest

1:41

that the former General Prabowo

1:43

Subianto will win out on

1:46

his third attempt to become

1:48

the country's. Leader: Rebecca.

1:50

Hench Key reported for the B

1:52

B C for fifteen years from

1:55

Indonesia. When she recently returned, she

1:57

found. Much to have. Surprise that

1:59

this. The empty two year old

2:01

former Strong Man has undergone an

2:04

extraordinary rebranding to win over the

2:06

last time photos. Puppy.

2:08

Dog eyes on a smiling chubby

2:10

cheeked cartoon say stare down at

2:12

me from seeds campaign posters that

2:14

line either side of the job.

2:17

A highway on. Driving on. I'm

2:19

struggling to get my head

2:22

around this image. It's clearly

2:24

presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto. But.

2:27

The last time he ran for

2:29

office when I was a correspondent

2:31

into Tata, the images were of

2:33

him commanding or marching with troops.

2:35

He always appeared happiest when astride

2:37

a horse of raising his fist

2:39

in anger during a firebrand speech.

2:42

This. Former top general from a

2:44

powerful family has long reveled in

2:47

a strong. Man in it's. Not.

2:49

A sweet suit when. Prabowo.

2:53

Was dismissed from the military after

2:55

accusations that he was involved in

2:57

the kidnapping and torture of Pro

2:59

Democracy students in the late nineties.

3:02

In. The turbulent dying days of the some

3:04

hotter regime. He. Was banned

3:06

from entering the United States for a

3:08

while due to rights allegations against him.

3:11

In. A press Lunch event back in two

3:14

thousand and thirteen I raised in a

3:16

question this dark past of his. He.

3:18

Looked clearly insulted glared down at

3:21

me from the speakers podium. Police.

3:24

And. Said I knew this. Question would

3:26

come. And then says

3:29

let the Indian nice. And people judge

3:31

me. But. Now there's a

3:33

whole generation of voters who didn't

3:35

live through this a heart dictatorship

3:37

or experience the A's and economic

3:40

crisis of the Nineteen Nineties or

3:42

the bloody battle for Timor Leste

3:44

Days independence. And. These.parts of

3:46

Indonesia's modern history that Prabowo

3:48

played a role in a

3:50

not taught in schools. So.

3:53

He's not really getting asked that

3:55

question by young voters. And

3:57

they make up half. Be a let's it this time

3:59

around. Instead, under

4:02

TikTok videos of the 72-year-old

4:04

dancing or cuddling his cat,

4:07

they're calling him Gemmo or Cute.

4:10

It's an extraordinary rebranding,

4:13

from a strong man to

4:15

a harmless grandfather. So

4:18

too is his selection of running mates, Gibram

4:20

Rakuboming, the son of current

4:23

president Joko Wododo or Jokoi.

4:26

Gibram too has undergone quite a makeover

4:28

since I last saw him. Eight

4:31

years ago I visited him at the café

4:33

he was running down a side street in

4:35

his hometown of Solo. It

4:37

specialised in Mataba, stuffed

4:39

fried pancakes. He

4:42

clearly wasn't thrilled to be meeting journalists.

4:45

On that day he was moody. He

4:47

told us he wasn't interested in following

4:49

his father's footsteps into politics and didn't

4:51

want to discuss his dad's policies. What

4:54

he wanted to talk about was all

4:56

the unusual new flavours of Mataba his

4:58

café was offering. We

5:00

ended up not running the interview. But

5:03

here we are in 2024 and he's running

5:05

for the nation's highest office with

5:07

no political experience apart from a

5:10

two-year stint as the mayor of

5:12

his hometown. At 36,

5:14

Gibram is the youngest presidential candidate

5:16

in Indonesian history. He used

5:19

to have to be 40 to

5:21

run but his campaign team successfully

5:23

and very controversially petitioned the Constitutional

5:25

Court. And at

5:28

this stage this pairing and rebranding

5:30

has resulted in Prabowo and Gibram

5:32

being well ahead in the polls.

5:36

I know some former journalists and press

5:38

freedom activists who did everything to see

5:40

the end of the Sahato regime and

5:43

then to keep Prabowo out of office

5:45

in previous elections who are now campaigning

5:47

for him. When I asked

5:49

one to explain to me why they said it

5:52

was a complex political decision,

5:55

another said it was being pragmatic. But

5:58

the question remains. What

6:00

kind of president would Prabhova be?

6:03

What version of him might show up to

6:05

run the country? Or will

6:07

it be Jokowi who's really pulling the

6:09

strings? After two terms

6:12

in office, the former furniture maker can't

6:14

run in this election, but he's

6:16

very present in it. In

6:19

another campaign poster, his image

6:21

looms large over Prabhova and

6:23

Gibran, and the pair have made

6:25

no secret of this. If elected,

6:28

they will be Jokowi 2.0. They're

6:31

promising to complete all his

6:33

infrastructure projects, including the building

6:35

of a new capital on the island of

6:37

Borneo. This

6:39

loyalty from Prabhova to a man

6:42

he suffered two previous humiliating defeats

6:44

to is in stark contrast to

6:46

what he said before. When

6:49

Prabhova lost to Jokowi the first

6:51

time around, he marched into our

6:53

Jakarta bureau and sat down for a

6:55

live TV interview. He was

6:58

clearly angry. On air, he

7:00

rejected the early results, saying Jokowi's image

7:02

of being a man of the people

7:05

was just an act and calling him

7:07

a puppet of the political oligarchy. Now

7:10

it looks like Prabhova is a puppet of

7:12

Jokowi, who's proven less a

7:14

humble man of the people and

7:17

more a shrewd political operator with

7:19

a clever social media team. Rebecca

7:23

Henfke When Javier

7:25

Millet won Argentina's presidential contest

7:27

in November, nobody predicted an

7:29

easy ride for him or

7:31

for the country. He

7:34

was elected, thanks to his promises,

7:36

to break with the political establishment

7:38

and take bold steps to get

7:40

Argentina out of its dire economic

7:42

straits. He's pushing for

7:44

a huge package of changes, nicknamed

7:47

the ahustato, or the big

7:49

adjustment, which proposes a blizzard

7:51

of measures. Some are

7:53

radical and highly controversial, like

7:56

abolishing entire state ministries, reducing the

7:58

powers of trade use. unions,

8:00

and limiting rights to public

8:02

protest. Millet's critics

8:04

called a national strike last week

8:06

in response, and more than one

8:09

and a half million people turned

8:11

out at demonstrations across the country.

8:14

A small majority of Argentines still

8:16

back him, but how far and

8:18

for how long will they stick

8:20

with him? James Menendez.

8:23

Every morning over breakfast in Buenos Aires,

8:25

I'd look out of the hotel window

8:27

at the bustling street just below. Smartly

8:30

dressed workers hurried towards their offices, and

8:32

none of them seemed to notice the

8:34

rather sad-looking red post box that sat

8:37

awkwardly on the corner, leaning like the

8:39

Tower of Pisa. I'd flown

8:41

in from London, so a red post box

8:43

on a street corner was hardly a novelty.

8:46

Except I was now in Argentina, and

8:48

this one looked identical to some of

8:50

the post boxes back home. After

8:53

a few inquiries, it turns out it

8:55

is the same model, a remnant of

8:58

the close ties between the UK and

9:00

Argentina in the 19th and early 20th

9:02

centuries. Back

9:04

then, Britain was at the height of its

9:06

imperial and commercial power. Argentina

9:09

had, and still has, abundant natural

9:11

resources, namely the vast fertile grasslands

9:13

of the Pampas and the cattle

9:15

that graze on them. Exports

9:18

of beef, grain and minerals turned Argentina

9:20

into one of the richest countries in

9:23

the world, richer even than

9:25

France or Germany. And

9:27

the streets of Buenos Aires are a

9:29

constant, haunting reminder of that wealthy past.

9:32

Wide avenues lined with grand

9:34

and ornate bellipoc architecture, handsome

9:36

squares with manicured lawns and

9:38

even a Victorian clock tower.

9:41

And of course, the red, British-style post

9:43

boxes which fell out of use years

9:45

ago, in which no one, it seems,

9:47

has the heart to remove. With

9:50

the government now saddled with huge debts,

9:52

the question I hear again and again

9:54

is are Argentina's best days behind it,

9:57

or are they still to come? The

10:00

glib answer you sometimes hear is that this

10:02

is the only country that's gone from being

10:04

developed to developing. It's

10:07

certainly true that it slipped well

10:09

down the global rankings after decades

10:11

of boom and bust and a

10:13

series of often vicious military dictatorships.

10:16

Democracy is now well established, but

10:18

the economy is definitely

10:20

bust. Inflation last year

10:23

was more than 200% and prices

10:25

are still soaring. Officially,

10:27

40% of the population are now

10:29

living in poverty, although most believe

10:31

the real figure is even higher.

10:34

Life for all but the wealthiest families is

10:36

a constant struggle to pay the bills and

10:38

put food on the table. As

10:41

one young mother put it to me, we're the

10:43

country of beef, but we can only afford to eat

10:45

chicken. And even chicken is a

10:47

treat these days. Everyone's

10:50

doing whatever they can to survive

10:52

and everyone's an expert in finding

10:54

bargains. Pablo knows this only

10:56

too well. A middle-aged man with a bad

10:58

leg that makes it difficult for him to

11:00

find work. I ran into him

11:02

by chance one morning by the side of the road. Or

11:05

rather, I noticed a queue of people snaking up to

11:07

the back of a small car and wonder what was

11:09

going on. When I came round

11:11

the other side, I saw Pablo reaching into

11:14

a boot piled high with trays of eggs.

11:17

He told me he buys them cheaply from

11:19

a farm outside Buenos Aires and brings them

11:21

into the city to sell to passers-by. At

11:24

about £2 for two dozen, he

11:26

said he doesn't make much money. And

11:28

it's not legal, he said, so there's always the risk

11:30

of a tap on the shoulder from the police. Even

11:34

those trying to run a small business legally are

11:36

struggling to keep their heads above water. Claudio

11:39

Pias has the air of a born

11:41

entrepreneur. Squat, shaven-headed and with

11:43

a restless energy, he runs a chain

11:45

of corner shops. Or rather, he

11:47

did. He used to own 12, but

11:50

now he's down to just two because of

11:52

rising costs. If things didn't get

11:54

better soon, he told me, he'd have to

11:56

shut down completely. This level of financial hardship

11:58

is one of the reasons why he's been here. reasons why

12:00

so many people voted for Argentina's

12:03

new president, Javier Mille. He

12:05

won just over 55% of the

12:08

vote on a pledge to take

12:10

a metaphorical chainsaw to what he

12:12

calls the profligacy of the previous

12:14

left-wing populist government. The theory is

12:17

that a currency devaluation, privatisations and

12:19

cuts to public spending will encourage

12:21

the motors of the Argentine economy

12:23

to start turning again. That

12:26

will enable the country to pay off some

12:28

of its vast debts. And

12:30

then, at some point, the rate of

12:32

inflation will start to come down. The

12:35

trouble is, his plan, if it happens, is

12:37

going to be painful. And painful

12:39

for many of those who took a chance

12:41

on this political novice. As

12:43

one analyst here put it to me,

12:45

people voted for Javier Mille because they

12:47

desperately wanted a change. Any

12:49

change. But they may not realise what

12:52

they've let themselves in for. James

12:54

Menendez In many

12:56

ways, Kenya is a case study

12:58

in the demographic changes happening across

13:01

Africa. Overall, the population

13:03

has risen sharply, having doubled over the

13:05

past 30 years to over 55

13:09

million citizens today. That

13:11

means increased pressure on farming

13:13

land and water resources, and

13:15

burgeoning cities. It's

13:17

a youthful country, with an average age of

13:20

just 20 years. But

13:22

the fertility rate is now declining

13:24

and fast. Back

13:26

in the 1960s, the average Kenyan

13:28

woman could expect to have at

13:30

least eight children during her lifetime.

13:33

Today that's down to just over three.

13:36

Contraception is available to most women who

13:39

seek it. But every year there

13:41

are still many women and girls

13:43

who face unplanned and unwanted

13:45

pregnancies. Linda Nguerre

13:48

has investigated what choices

13:50

they have. At

13:52

a petrol station on the outskirts of

13:55

Nairobi, a dis finally gets into Aka.

13:58

That's not her real name. I've changed

14:00

to protect her identity. We've

14:02

been waiting for her to finish her day

14:04

as a domestic worker, and it's already dark.

14:07

She's nervous, saying she left her

14:09

three kids on their own. She

14:11

asks her to make the squeak. The

14:14

last time I saw her, she was lying

14:17

on her bed in a backstreet clinic, waiting

14:19

for abortion medication to take effect. It

14:21

had taken her four months to save the money

14:23

for the procedure. She

14:26

was already well into her second

14:28

trimester. The room

14:30

smelled of blood and medicine. It

14:32

is said the process felt like giving birth. A

14:36

few days later, when we meet at the petrol

14:38

station, it is revealed to

14:40

me she is HIV-positive. I

14:42

think about the backstreet clinic where she had

14:44

queued along with other women to get a

14:46

walk-in abortion. Others lay on

14:48

the same bed after her. The

14:51

clinic, at best, covered the beds I

14:53

saw with old newspaper or nothing at

14:55

all. They cleaned the tools in

14:57

a bucket of bleach. I

14:59

later spoke to a lawyer who told

15:02

me Edith's HIV status could have entitled

15:04

her to a legal abortion, but

15:06

she felt this was her only choice. She

15:09

could not afford a safer one. She's

15:11

not alone. Almost two-thirds

15:13

of pregnancies in Kenya are unplanned,

15:16

and thousands of women seek unsafe

15:18

abortions every year at backstreet clinics

15:20

or using dangerous methods on their

15:22

own. The man

15:24

who carried out Edith's procedure claimed to

15:27

be a clinician, but there was no

15:29

trace of him on the official registry

15:31

of medical professionals. He

15:33

told me he performs up to 150 abortions each month.

15:38

Not everyone makes it through alive.

15:41

Complications from unsafe abortions are a

15:43

leading cause of maternal death in

15:45

the country. Kenya's

15:47

penal code bans abortion and less is

15:49

to save the mother's life. Its

15:52

constitution and case law, however, allow

15:54

for more exceptions, such as in

15:56

cases of rape, incest,

15:59

or when the mother is arrested. under 18. The

16:02

legal ambiguity has created a

16:04

climate of fear, preventing women

16:06

from seeking legal abortions and

16:08

medical professionals from offering it.

16:11

Abulsion here is a cultural taboo,

16:14

shrouded in stigma and misinformation. One

16:17

teenage girl I met at a crisis

16:19

pregnancy center told me the organization running

16:21

it, which is funded by churches in

16:23

the US, convinced her to keep her

16:26

child. She was told there

16:28

that if she had a termination, she

16:30

would never be able to have another baby.

16:33

Some religious organizations teach that abortions

16:36

lead to death. But

16:39

it's also a class issue. It

16:41

took it four months to save less

16:44

than half the amount that a safe

16:46

procedure at a registered clinic usually costs.

16:49

And the morning after, she had

16:51

to go back to work, her

16:53

body still reeling from an induced

16:55

termination in non-sterile conditions the night

16:57

before. I was

16:59

raised in a typical Christian home

17:01

in Mombasa, Kenya's second largest city.

17:03

When I was a girl, my

17:05

parents, teachers, and church warned me against

17:07

playing with boys lest I end up

17:10

pregnant. I wasn't taught about

17:12

my sexual and reproductive rights at school. Girls

17:15

in Kenya are told by their

17:17

elders to practice total abstinence. That

17:20

sex is shameful. So they

17:22

learn whatever they can from their peers. It

17:24

breeds misinformation. In high

17:27

school, I had of teenage girls

17:29

drinking bleach, coffee, and cordial juice

17:32

to self-induced abortions. Some

17:34

of those I met while reporting on

17:36

this story only realized they were

17:38

pregnant four or five months in. None

17:41

of the women I spoke to took the

17:43

decision to have an abortion lightly. But becoming

17:45

a parent was a burden they could not

17:48

face. The mothers of the

17:50

two teenage girls I interviewed could not hold

17:52

back their tears when I asked

17:54

how they felt about their children becoming

17:56

pregnant so young. Both

17:58

had been teenage mothers themselves. one

18:01

of them as a result of rape. She

18:03

told me, I tried to protect

18:05

her, to help her build a life to be

18:07

different, but it did not happen. What

18:10

I feared and did not want to happen

18:12

to her is what happened. She

18:14

had hoped her daughter would have a better future

18:17

than she did. Yet now,

18:19

they faced the same fate. Linda

18:23

Ngarri. Colombia has

18:25

much to attract travelers, tropical

18:27

beaches, Amazonian rainforests full of

18:30

wildlife, cities humming with music

18:32

and culture. But decades

18:34

of drug violence and a long-running

18:37

guerrilla insurgency kept

18:39

most visitors away. Given

18:41

the risks of being kidnapped and held

18:43

for ransom or just mugged, only the

18:46

boldest would dare. Now, with

18:48

the war officially over, some former

18:50

rebels are hoping to capitalize on

18:52

the country's natural assets and bring

18:54

in new business. Rafting,

18:57

trekking and abseiling are just

18:59

some of the attractions they're

19:01

selling to tourists, seeking a

19:03

truly off-the-beaten-path experience. Zoe

19:06

Gelba. It's four in the morning, and I'm standing

19:08

outside in a valley in the south of Colombia

19:11

drinking weak, sweet coffee, or tinto, from a

19:13

tiny plastic cup. We're surrounded by rolling green

19:15

hills, although I can't see much of anything

19:18

yet. In a huddled group, someone

19:21

hands me a head torch and a small bag. Inside,

19:24

a repair of binoculars, because

19:26

we're about to go birdwatching. Ricardo,

19:29

our guide, a wiry man with a moustache and

19:31

a distinctly 80s crew cut, leads

19:34

us over a small river before we start to climb

19:36

one of the nearby slopes in the dark. Nearing

19:39

the top, we pass a big boulder and he stops. We

19:42

used to use this as a lookout point, he tells us. From

19:45

here, you can see all across the valley without

19:47

being seen yourself. You could see if

19:49

the army was coming. For

19:51

over 30 years, Ricardo had been a

19:53

member of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of

19:55

Colombia, or the FARC, which until

19:57

fairly recently was the country's largest and most recent country.

20:00

Powerful leftwing guerrilla group, The Rebel

20:02

Army formerly disbanded seven years ago

20:04

following a historic peace agreement between

20:06

thought leaders and the government's spending

20:08

more than half a century of

20:10

violent civil conflict to an end.

20:13

The Agreement: So thousands of rebels emerging

20:15

from their bases in the jungles, handing

20:17

over their weapons and agreeing to rejoin

20:20

peaceful society. Which is why Ricardo is

20:22

now starting a new life in ecotourism.

20:25

Guerilla soldiers and eight to guide is

20:27

a fairly just a career change. It's

20:29

not quite the screeching hum great time

20:32

you my Ss too much and so

20:34

decades thought members like Ricotta lived and

20:36

fought in Columbus remote jungles which also

20:38

happens to be some of the most

20:40

beautiful and by it as as places

20:42

on earth now with the wool over

20:44

these unspool areas are finally starting to

20:47

open up to be such as and

20:49

tourists and former fighters who know these

20:51

places by heart have started leading towards

20:53

through them. It's something that

20:55

comes naturally to many of and. The

20:58

Forest with our home. for all the years

21:00

we were in arms. it was a protector.

21:02

It's where we slept, where we ate, where

21:05

we lived. Felix, another form a gorilla tells

21:07

me. See. Like says, he

21:09

joined the Farc I just eleven years old

21:11

and spent nearly forty years with the groups

21:13

working as a security guard for Thought Commanders

21:15

before he was captured and imprisoned by the

21:18

Colombian Army. He goes

21:20

on to explain that the thought

21:22

had strict rules prohibiting deforestation and

21:24

the areas they controlled with that

21:26

enforces sanctions, science and guns, This.

21:29

Was not primarily for environmental reasons

21:32

and fact some thought controlled areas

21:34

with deforested to make way for

21:36

cut cultivation, the war material used

21:38

in cocaine and illegal gold mining.

21:41

Both. With sources of income for the

21:43

group that the site is limited this

21:45

activity because they needed to treat other

21:47

to the them from government planes overhead.

21:51

Ironically with the worn out over Columbia has

21:53

seen a huge spike and see for a

21:55

station. As other armed groups have moved on

21:57

to the land the thought left behind clear.

22:00

Increase the their own illegal plantations and

22:02

minds. Over. The

22:04

next three days I company Felix

22:06

Ricotta and other former thought members

22:09

as elite group workshops and identifying

22:11

native plants, splitting the cause ocelots

22:13

and other wildlife and monitoring deforestation.

22:16

Right now, the state is giving

22:18

former rebels a stipend as a

22:20

transitions pieces society. When. That

22:22

eventually runs out as competence will need a

22:24

way to earn an income so they can

22:27

support themselves and peacetime if they can't It

22:29

said that they might take up arms again.

22:32

It's still early days, the tourists are

22:35

starting to arrive in greater numbers. adventures,

22:37

travelers from abroad and some curious Colombians

22:39

in the cities. That to many Colombians,

22:41

the idea is a bit of a

22:43

hard sell. There is still widespread distrust

22:46

and stigma around former Get A Arrows

22:48

He during the war became notorious the

22:50

kidnapping thousands of civilians sorenson to finance

22:52

their operations. Many hostages died

22:55

or disappeared and others were subjected

22:57

to brutal and degrading treatment. Colombians,

23:00

Want peace. But for many people the idea

23:02

of hiking and bird watching with people they

23:04

see as responsible for this violence is a

23:06

bit too much to summit. For.

23:09

Another former rebel could lena coming face to

23:11

face with white. A Colombian society is part

23:13

of the points. They. Can get

23:16

to know us she tells me as we walked

23:18

through the forest with a five year old to

23:20

about sing along beside us. They'll see we're not

23:22

monsters that most of us want peace to. Nature.

23:25

Can be a bridge for us to communicate. Survey

23:28

Gerber. Champagne.

23:30

I'm Bree. Parmesan.

23:33

And Parmesan cheese, kalamata olives. Many

23:35

of the finer things in life

23:37

have been seized on by the

23:40

European Union regulators and other attempt

23:42

to protect them rather than them

23:44

them. The rules governing these products

23:47

are meant to give some real

23:49

seeing an extra edge and clamp

23:51

down on cheap and Saudi imitations

23:53

as a way of keeping food

23:56

traditions alive and keeping the people

23:58

who preserve some in best. this

24:00

amid the long list of protected

24:03

item celebs one you might not

24:05

have expected as Rob crushed some

24:07

recently found in Bavaria in Central

24:10

Germany. Beyond. Grins

24:12

at me. And. Laughs as he

24:14

rubs his thumb against his for and

24:16

middle fingers. It seems like

24:18

a warning at first. And

24:20

it transpires. it is against

24:22

those who would dare to

24:24

trespass against yawns most cherished

24:26

passion. Yes, it

24:28

would be very expensive for anyone who

24:31

tried to break the rules. I. He

24:34

says with satisfaction. Be.

24:36

Own turns and briskly strolls over

24:38

to the cache his desk of

24:40

his museum. Why to rather confused

24:43

looking Japanese tourists a standing nervously.

24:46

Least they're somewhat askance at the

24:48

displays of medieval butchery equipment scattered

24:50

among reproductions of portraits of the

24:53

burgers of Nuremberg going about their

24:55

business in the shadow of half

24:57

timbered houses. Yes,

24:59

that is correct. This. Is the

25:02

Bratwurst museum? The. Old cells, the

25:04

new customers to hand over there for

25:06

Euros in tasks and a lead into

25:08

this temples and Euro bugs. Most notable

25:10

contribution to the cutlery world. I.

25:13

Promise you Rope Bjork confides.

25:15

Before. Protection began in Nineteen Ninety Eight.

25:18

The. Nuremberg breakfast was the grocery items

25:20

was the most sites in the world.

25:23

And most of the copies were really

25:25

admirable. So. Beyond. Becca

25:27

has been the manager of the Breakfast Museum

25:29

since it opened two years ago in the

25:31

middle of the city's Mehdi Evil else does.

25:34

It sells in a sober, almost

25:36

liturgical told the story of the

25:39

breakfast which dates back to at

25:41

least thirteen thirteen. This.

25:43

Is the gifts that the earliest mention

25:45

of the marjoram flavored of roly Poly

25:47

sausage as gets been found contained within

25:50

a doctrine from the City Eldest which

25:52

dictating how meet should be treated Specifically

25:54

mentions breakfast. We. Wanted

25:57

to protect this little sausage. That's.

25:59

why they wanted the tradition of

26:01

over 700 years safe, says

26:03

Bjorn. 2003 was our big

26:05

year when the Njungberga Rust Bradverst was

26:08

protected by the European Union. If

26:11

you have a sausage factory in Brussels or

26:13

Bratislava and you label it Bradverst, you

26:15

can expect legal proceedings and a

26:18

very angry Bjorn. It's

26:20

partly thanks to Bjorn and the Njungberg

26:22

Sausage Protection Association that visitors like myself

26:24

can opt for plates of half a

26:27

dozen to a dozen of these venerable

26:29

protected articles, usually served on a heart-shaped

26:31

tin plate, with full confidence that they

26:33

were all made within the city limits

26:35

of Njungberg. One of

26:37

the city's oldest sausage house restaurants,

26:39

called Zungilden Stern, is run by

26:42

23-year-old Sophia Hilleprant, who also presents

26:44

her own podcast called, wait for

26:46

it, Bradverst in the City. Look

26:49

around you, she says, as I

26:51

enter the cosy, wooden-beamed interior. We're

26:54

very busy at the moment. I think after

26:56

Covid people are more keen than ever to

26:58

have a taste of something homely, maybe

27:01

something they missed for a few years. We

27:03

try not to change anything. Bradverst means

27:05

too much to people. Locals

27:08

have, over the centuries, been prepared to

27:10

prove their love in various, not always

27:13

pleasurable ways. Legend has

27:15

it that in Njungberg's ominously named

27:17

Gilt Tower, Hans Thromer, a 16th

27:19

century judge, was imprisoned for treachery.

27:22

Whilst incarcerated, it said he ate 28,000

27:26

Bradverst, which were passed through a keyhole to him

27:29

as the door could not be opened. But

27:32

with veganism on the rise throughout

27:34

Germany, alongside plant food innovations, I

27:37

wonder if the love of Bradverst is likely to

27:39

wane, or if there are any plans

27:41

to tweak the sausage to cater for this new

27:43

shift in consumer habits. Could there ever be

27:45

a veggie Bradverst?

27:48

Bjorn and Sophia both laugh up

27:50

roriously when I ask this question.

27:53

I tell you, to make the Bradverst out

27:55

of anything other than pork is impossible. It

27:58

is then, quite clearly. No

28:00

longer a bread first, Sophia

28:02

insists. In a

28:05

city that was almost completely leveled

28:07

in nineteen forty five it seems

28:09

odd, was told was reunification and

28:11

now twenty years of official protection,

28:13

one thing has remained constant. This.

28:16

Little thing reminds us that tradition is

28:18

very important. It reminds us of our

28:21

childhood. Reflects. Be on. The.

28:23

Bratwurst survived seven hundred years. and

28:25

it will be surviving the next

28:27

seven hundred years, he tells me

28:29

triumphantly. It Simple. You.

28:31

Should never try to change a

28:33

winning team. From. Cross

28:36

and the Nuremberg and that's all

28:38

for today that we'll be here

28:40

again on Saturday morning at how

28:42

past eleven to China's. Thirty.

28:45

Years ago, they Can Farms were hit

28:47

by an epidemic of an infectious brain

28:50

disorder. They called it mad cow

28:52

disease. Only see

28:54

Proctor and In the Cow, The Mad,

28:56

and Bbc Radio Four. I tell the

28:58

story of a very weird time in

29:00

our history. Image of started calling me

29:03

to the mad Cow Professor Mad. Cow

29:05

disease been paid to be

29:07

picking asking cause and then

29:09

heenan. And the

29:11

thing is, after all this time nobody

29:13

knows the sure were mad cow disease

29:15

is it in. Any came from. The

29:17

general feeling is if we will never

29:19

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