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1:44

but make Prickly as you Netflix special

1:46

The Old Man and The Pool is

1:48

out so we wanted to reach air

1:50

their conversation around creativity. Why?

1:53

Do I love telling stories? Great question. I

1:55

would love to tell you. I've always been

1:57

a storyteller by nature. It's because I'm not

1:59

very. The trouble with the back and

2:01

forth of conversation especially is it's one on

2:03

one. I just never know when the right

2:06

time is to insert my thoughts. Like, what's

2:08

considered being an active participant in the ping

2:10

pong of conversations and what's just considered interrupting.

2:12

How you keep a healthy amount of eye

2:15

contact? How much is too much? How much

2:17

is not enough to much. It's intimidating to

2:19

little. you look like you're not paying attention,

2:21

and if you have a beverage in your

2:24

hand, how are you supposed to sit that?

2:26

Usually I just want to chug it right

2:28

when I get it, says it, it's It's

2:30

one less thing I have to figure out

2:33

stuff. like naturally, Incorporate into the conversation. For

2:35

ten you know someone asks if you want

2:37

to resell and usually that means they take

2:40

your path and. Honestly holding this carpet

2:42

getting the same thing to do with my hands so

2:44

I'd rather just hold the empty cup than good result.

2:46

But with stories. Stories. Your monologue.

2:49

A Talk in New Listen. I don't

2:51

have to see all the pressure of maintaining eye

2:53

contact will and telling a story because it's pretty

2:56

common for people to look off into the distance

2:58

while they try and remember things in a story.

3:00

I can teleport in, time travel into the memory

3:02

am sharing In an all the sudden I'm not

3:04

sitting at a table in a cafe with a

3:06

stranger. it's and trailing out. As a friend I'm

3:08

in seventh grade, I'm flying through the air, tripping

3:11

over my shoes, landing with my skirt over my

3:13

head on the way to the cafeteria on P.

3:15

Today. The person I'm sharing the story with is

3:17

an audience member. To the memory I'm recalling, they

3:19

feel like they're getting to know me. And

3:21

by watching their reaction to my story and oftentimes

3:24

like following up with the story of their own,

3:26

I feel like I get to know them. and

3:28

it's a lot easier than singing and ponying small

3:30

talk at each other. But

3:33

how does that translate to telling stories on

3:35

the internet? That's another good question you're asking.

3:37

Really good question said. It. I. Began

3:39

sharing true stories about. My life on

3:41

the internet when my son was like

3:43

six months old is at a time.

3:45

There was this gigantic valley that lives

3:48

between the person I was before having

3:50

my son August and the person I

3:52

am. After August, I was experiencing post

3:54

partum depression and literally up until the

3:56

night we took August home from the

3:58

hospital, I had no clue what post

4:01

partum depression even was. I truly thought

4:03

that post Partum was like a time

4:05

stamp. The time in which this kind

4:07

of depression softens, Not the type. I.

4:10

Had it all wrong and fortunately I

4:12

realize this a little too late. I

4:14

was in it and I was on

4:16

fighting my way out when morning after

4:18

noon and night at a time. One.

4:20

Of those mornings I woke up around three thirty

4:23

am to cede my son and I just could

4:25

not fall back asleep. The last thing I

4:27

wanted to do with get back in bed. interesting?

4:29

be awake. That's even more frustrating than just not

4:31

being able to sleep in the first place. So

4:33

I went straight to my surgeon and I made

4:36

myself a coffee and then out of nowhere I

4:38

just started trying to mentally connect a person. I

4:40

was in college with. This person now who's grabbing

4:42

a cop out of my cupboard. Is

4:44

grabbing ice trays at of the freezer?

4:46

says grabbing almond milk at of the

4:48

fridge These hands. I'm looking at are

4:50

the same hands. They took notes and

4:52

school. He played Zola in Orchestra, the

4:54

zip double wedding dress they held my

4:56

husband's hand typed on my keyboard for

4:58

work. Why don't these hands feel like

5:00

my hands? As I was looking down

5:02

I noticed my sweat shirt sleeves rolled

5:04

up twice. The Classic: a list of

5:06

oral. I remembered why I started rowing

5:08

my sleeves this way in the first

5:10

place and how cool it made me

5:12

feel the first time I did it.

5:14

It was like my current self in

5:16

my past self shook hands and met

5:18

in. That very moment I got my So

5:21

now and I recorded my first ever story

5:23

about my life online. So

5:26

I will be wearing sweats. Rituals are

5:28

twice as the seasons. This for the

5:30

rest of my lesson or us I

5:32

was eighteen else in Australia. Or

5:35

the such written about on notice as to

5:37

where I like his own cynicism is as

5:39

who. Insists he misses. The

5:43

decision to do. A

5:46

Lot. It's so much as has the tenth of

5:48

the this I pay for. It or walked

5:50

out of store. Haven't changed. Atheism

5:52

is Ashes has since as a

5:54

team used to hearing. It

5:57

was silly and it was short but it mints.

6:00

So much to me that my brain

6:02

was recognizing me in that memory. Telling

6:04

stories went from being an escape from

6:06

conversation to a bridge over that gigantic

6:09

valley of who I was and who

6:11

I now am. And as luck would

6:13

have it, those stories were also. A

6:16

bridge straight you listening to the

6:18

story like this. Eating.

6:35

At Fc can you just pretend that you're listening?

6:37

To a fully complete the and same here I

6:39

got really in my head and I tried to

6:41

make a perfect and I couldn't So this is

6:43

gonna be the themes and that you. Need.

6:47

Being. Hello!

6:52

And welcome to another episode of Funny. Because

6:54

it's true, I'm a lease Mares today. I'm

6:56

joined by Might for vaguely as he is

6:58

an incredible comedian. Director, actor, and

7:00

author. So everything basically.

7:03

Mike. Is written and performed. Several award

7:05

winning solo players including Sleep, Walk With

7:08

Me, My Girlfriends, Boyfriends, and Thank God

7:10

For Jokes. Mightily to show is. Called

7:12

The Old Man in the Pool which is

7:14

performing on Broadway until January Fifteenth. Twenty Twenty

7:17

Three, If you can, please check it out!

7:19

So. You things that are funny because they're

7:21

true. Number One: I have always connected to

7:23

my Probably As style of comedy. I love

7:25

that he makes most of his jokes about

7:27

like his real life but he has this

7:29

really funny way of giving like a narrative

7:32

arc in his stories and I just think

7:34

that that's great. Number Two: We start using

7:36

the. Term flesh suits which is

7:38

super gross but. Also pretty

7:40

sitting on were. Just some stress our

7:42

brains and since less it's okay. let's get into

7:44

it. Can

7:49

I ask you at their. Colored cards are behind Duke.

7:51

Seven watching is set up and I'm so

7:53

curious. Oh yeah so like bees are all

7:55

jokes. Oh I'm so like this is a

7:57

pulmonary test in. this is like I said.

8:00

The funeral in this is as

8:02

sign that says peeing. In.

8:04

Pool Citizens as an arrow Literally.

8:06

And they're just like jokes. Titles

8:10

and will usually what I do

8:12

and this is for my podcast

8:14

working and out. His lights are

8:16

put. And but it predated

8:18

the pod guess is that I put joke

8:20

titles up on the wall and then I

8:22

can figure set lists from the joke titles.

8:25

My gosh, that's so smart.

8:27

Eggs or usual with like

8:29

learning. I'm very visual. Yeah,

8:32

same. I've never thought to do

8:34

that. It's genius. What is an and

8:36

human abilities that one of them says.

8:38

Rosemary to Bada yeah yeah

8:40

at the joke is from

8:42

one day. I was behind

8:45

is located in his dad. At.

8:47

A coffee shop and this little kid goes.

8:49

Our. Dad. I don't

8:51

want. Woes married

8:53

to Bada I while wag

8:56

election Bada. And. I

8:58

wanted to say that this case you

9:00

know life is going to serve the

9:02

all kinds of shibata but as if

9:04

you want if you really want to

9:06

stick up for yourself use it demands

9:08

the regular to vodka. And

9:10

also. You. Should probably learn how

9:13

to say are ours is have a success

9:15

of that sort of a joke some I

9:17

see over a now it is all toddlers

9:19

have a Boston accent and they're like anti

9:21

air in Boston top as a like i'm

9:23

wicked dyads. Of wicked diet is that an

9:25

idea of putting the cards and stuff? Is

9:27

that something you learned from someone else? Or

9:30

that something you can as did by yourself.

9:32

I think it was an intuitive to that

9:34

a surgeon stand up when I was like

9:36

oh no, nineteen years old and I was.

9:39

And. I think that I had

9:41

a really hard time remembering my

9:43

cellists. That's economy biggest fears is

9:45

just not for members totally cause

9:48

it's like ah I. I talked

9:50

about this on Kobe or recently

9:52

but like. Your. Actors Nightmares

9:54

the idea of like you you forget

9:56

everything you him for Ya know your

9:58

lines and uses their. And. I

10:00

had it. I mean it's Tom Hanks

10:02

movie called a Man Named Auto that

10:04

comes out around Christmas as so such

10:07

an amazing experience by had Actors Nightmare

10:09

with Tom Hanks where they. They.

10:11

Shot this whole. I

10:13

drove a car around a bend and I drive

10:15

up in as a crane shot with cameras coming

10:18

in the crane and and Tom Hanks walks up

10:20

to the window and I opened the window and

10:22

he says a thing and I say bang it's

10:24

I drove up and I open the window he

10:26

said the thing and I didn't know anything and

10:29

then i this guy. And.

10:31

Then I'm just not. I said nothing. Sir

10:33

Tom Hanks my childhood I have as like

10:35

I had Apollo thirteen poster my was growing

10:38

up and and I'm like. Oh

10:40

now and then he's so nice and

10:42

generous, as have. Seen. Partner that he

10:44

starts trying to feed me my line that

10:46

he knew. Like he was

10:49

like how do you feel about me. Do.

10:51

You think I should leave the

10:53

neighborhood is generally me. Like assess,

10:55

assess assess. I think I would

10:57

quit on the spot. Red Death

10:59

Grips kind of a I. I

11:02

play sort of his nemesis in

11:04

the salmonella. than that like I'm

11:06

This character. Who like who

11:08

works in on the corporate side of like

11:10

real estate and housing developments and soda in

11:12

and so it would be advantageous for my

11:15

character for him to move and so I'm

11:17

kind of nudging his character to move and

11:19

I I I commend as a film like

11:21

I think maybe three times. Did

11:24

you start to the said you started and stand

11:26

up. And you're nineteen! I started in high

11:28

school I was like I started doing performing

11:30

sketches and I was in of didn't plays

11:32

arm and then when I was in college

11:35

i joined I didn't join. I auditioned for

11:37

the improv troupe at Georgetown and then I

11:39

got and that was like. I.

11:41

Feel like there's so few? Tiffany's

11:44

in life Like there's so few

11:47

moments where you're like this is

11:49

the moment where everything tastes, but

11:51

actually getting cast an imperative actually

11:53

was that. What? Did that see

11:55

like like did say you edition and then. What was

11:58

I feel like it was like our pets

12:00

I'm shift in my life like it happened

12:02

over the course of maybe it the first

12:04

months of being an improv. Sure where I

12:06

I, I, I was like you my whole

12:08

life. I thought I was funny. And

12:11

sometimes other people dead and

12:13

sometimes other people didn't. A.

12:16

Cast and ah And I think that's

12:18

because we all have different senses of

12:20

humor and I result my sense of

12:22

humor as much funnier than other people

12:24

ceiling for days. Don't get it the

12:26

as they don't get a dagger as

12:28

Zola when I was cast an improv

12:30

troupe as like oh my gosh, all

12:32

of these people are so funny. I

12:35

can't believe how lucky I am to have

12:37

found these people are how. Was.

12:39

It different from your other experiences in high

12:41

school doing like. Scripted plays? Were

12:43

you surprised? Like. Your. I

12:46

like to so much more completely different.

12:48

I mean improv is so expressive because

12:50

when you improvise like your the director

12:52

and the actor and the writer and

12:54

that this and it was like be

12:56

kind of like. It. Was

12:58

expansive. Why? Was it

13:00

intimidating at all? Or did. You feel pretty

13:02

sensitive all right away. I sell pretty

13:04

com symbol I may I thought the

13:06

i didn't know that the rest of

13:09

my life was intimidating. Really, I just.

13:11

As. A good good. I guess that's a good marker

13:13

of like this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

13:15

Right out. you're like this is the one thing I

13:17

see like is is really natural. I did improv and

13:19

it was so. Terrifying. So much respect

13:21

for people that. Do. It and

13:23

love it and feel comfortable with that. Know

13:26

it's funny because it's different area. When I

13:28

watch your step I'm always take out that

13:30

takes it. I like a different type of

13:32

confidence because you don't have an audience typically

13:34

one of the stuff I watch and so

13:37

I'm like oh you had to. Have.

13:39

The confidence to say no. This

13:41

is a good story. And. It's

13:43

a funny story and it's in skyn

13:45

interest people all the way through and

13:48

then it works and for me I

13:50

need an audience to tell me if

13:52

it's working. Interesting.

13:55

It doesn't make you nervous. Performing in front

13:57

of people's know. I'm so

13:59

jealous of them. It was like

14:01

a reverse. but how are you confident

14:03

of the know that beer story's going

14:05

to work? Me: Yeah. I

14:09

think it's funny so I care about I think.

14:11

I like. I think that there's a

14:13

difference between. Storytelling. And

14:16

comedy. And. then like

14:18

on on a stage and the not

14:20

making content. About it because. You

14:23

have to be reading a moment that

14:25

is only happening one time. My moment

14:28

happens whenever it resonates with somebody and

14:30

an algorithm. Puts it on there for you page

14:32

and that's what they're watching. but I. Love the

14:34

so confident in it. Do you have anybody that you

14:36

had as a hero or semi these and have

14:38

pulled from when you started doing it? When

14:41

I was in high school I saw Steven

14:43

Wright. Lives. Who, who's the

14:45

legendary comedians, he still has a brother,

14:47

Joe, took me to see him and

14:49

I'd never seen lives and of comedy

14:51

and it. It was kind

14:54

of mind boggling is it was like years

14:56

ago. ninety minutes of just. Obliterating.

14:59

Punchline says really perfectly. Word is kind

15:01

of a comedic hi to that. he

15:04

does. I was stunned. I mean my

15:06

face heard from laughing which is a

15:08

cliche but is actually use true I

15:10

am as a faint and face heard

15:12

from minus and so that was a

15:14

huge thing because I was like you

15:17

know I think a lot of comedy

15:19

is this is is a little bit

15:21

of a sleight of hand where you're

15:23

watching someone tell a story years series

15:25

of jokes. And. Your lured

15:28

into a false sense of that's

15:30

the thing that I think. But

15:32

actually. You. Couldn't may

15:34

be articulated as well as the person

15:36

on stage is, yeah, you think you

15:38

could, you know and so you're like

15:40

ah, that's. That's. Just like me and

15:43

said I had that was season right? That's.

15:45

So interesting. Do you find that? like. It's

15:48

on purpose that that's. That

15:51

joke serve like written that way they do

15:53

it's do you. Approach writing a joke where you're

15:55

like I want me to say i'm reading their

15:57

mind or is it just like I hope someone

15:59

can access. What? like the show that

16:01

I'm doing right now called the Old Man

16:03

in the Pool? It's all about life and

16:05

death and mortality and a lot of it

16:07

is kind of my own obsessions with Sas

16:09

and. I had bladder

16:11

cancer and I was twenty I type two

16:14

diabetes of years ago I reverse I've dell

16:16

I'd sleepwalking disorder. I've talked about a lot

16:18

of made a movie about that lights. Up

16:20

I think about. Dying

16:23

I think about people close to me,

16:25

dying people I've lost in the past.

16:28

And. When I sort of put it

16:30

on stage, it was. It was really a sense

16:32

of like. Okay, here's

16:35

what's. Interesting to me

16:37

or funny to me. Here's what

16:39

I'm obsessed with and then typically

16:41

wouldn't Audience gives you his. they

16:43

tell you which of those things

16:46

they find interesting or funny and

16:48

then there's a venn diagram that

16:50

forms between those two things and

16:52

the and that sweet spot of

16:54

that venn diagram is usually eat

16:56

somewhere approximately where the show ends

16:58

up landing. so a hope hopefully

17:01

when people see the old men

17:03

of the pull the com they

17:05

go oh that's me. That's. Just

17:07

like me. You. Know. And.

17:10

Actually, it's me assess assess, but

17:12

that's good. It's good that people

17:14

think that you want that. Yeah,

17:16

Do you? do? You do a lot of

17:18

testing for yourself? So Much. So

17:20

Much. Like. Harrys Aditi that just

17:23

in front of audiences I got like

17:25

all go on tour and I'd like

17:27

I'd just finished. A sensory like

17:29

a year of touring. I went to

17:31

probably forty cities. And and

17:33

then I'd I sat the show for a

17:36

month in Berkeley at the Repertory Theatre. I

17:38

sat in Steppenwolf in Chicago for a month

17:40

in May and then I sat at at

17:42

the Marked A Perform in Los Angeles for

17:44

a month in August. And. Then

17:47

in intermittently I went to Cincinnati and

17:49

I went to you know or Detroit

17:51

and always places. For. Was one

17:54

night shows and it's helpful for

17:56

me to know. What's. Connecting

17:58

and were. You know to me

18:00

like like even like I went to like London.

18:03

Iceland. In Paris And that's really

18:05

instructive because I'm like, oh paris. You.

18:08

Either they speak English. Really?

18:11

Well or not, that well or

18:13

not at all. And I and

18:15

so let's see how that goes.

18:17

Yeah, what's the difference though between

18:19

a good test and and performance?

18:21

Where that line. Is an on

18:23

a from a There's No Life? We are the

18:25

same as my podcast title, but it's like. When

18:28

it's not done as causes, working

18:30

it out when it's done. I

18:32

give it a title. you know? So the last

18:34

so the shows the last buses has or sleep

18:36

up with me my girlfriends boyfriends think up for

18:39

jokes. the new one innocence called the woman in

18:41

the pool and so when I name them they're

18:43

like people know if that's that's the show name.

18:45

It's like a series that's like an ongoing series

18:47

were seeing it out. Turns out of his I

18:49

did not intend it that way. I think. That's

18:51

really smart honestly and it also

18:53

sets expectation of the audience coming

18:55

into it knowing like. This

18:58

might not all connect with me or it might be

19:00

a neat you know any like a as you think

19:02

that that's really smart to for people to know defeating

19:04

people know. That you're doing that are not really

19:07

not their pricing to pretty hip to it

19:09

like it's so funny like early on and

19:11

in in my comedy career like I was

19:13

working the door at the Washington Dc and

19:15

problem that's how I got my start in

19:17

college. Oh wow and for me I'm like

19:19

oh that means I get to see the

19:21

comedians for free So I watched like Mitch

19:23

Hedberg and Margaret Cho in Gym Gaffe again

19:25

always people like that that but it for

19:27

free. You know I can afford to see

19:29

any comedy live. To

19:32

that was a massive for me see and

19:34

went went winless s what? Using college housing

19:36

oust as against sophomore in college? I see

19:38

you are these people like. Start.

19:41

Oh. Man if I could go back and watch any

19:44

one at a comedy club before they got like

19:46

saying the same as I would watch Mitch Hedberg

19:48

like Sino answer. Yeah and I was.

19:50

I would ask them all lot of annoying

19:52

questions like I would just ask them tons

19:54

of advice questions and stuff where they are

19:56

pretty generous with their advice and are pretty

19:59

much everyone was generous and and what you

20:01

find his lights when you ask a lot

20:03

of people for advise. Generally

20:06

you get something.

20:09

Different. From everyone like the guy

20:11

had a joke an early on whereas

20:13

opening for George Lopez he just he

20:15

my sat in the i had that

20:17

a joke at expensive Oprah Winfrey and

20:19

might set who was massive at the

20:21

time yeah with that shows and in

20:23

my girlfriend of the time would watch

20:25

it every day and says was a

20:27

measurements. And he said

20:29

a he goes you you open with a joke

20:32

about Oprah. And.the audience loves

20:34

Oprah and as they do

20:36

not know who you are

20:38

yeah I see like sitting

20:40

on their life as friends

20:42

as us. Yeah so I

20:44

was like wow that is

20:46

a powerful he's a you

20:48

gotta put yourself down. Before.

20:51

You put down someone else because

20:53

then they know that you're not

20:55

a jerk. That's really good Advice:

20:57

Visit Great. What? Advice would you give

20:59

to someone is a dwarf earth and now I'm

21:02

would I would say is that. as

21:04

much as possible if you want

21:06

to be a comedian, Get

21:08

on stage! How

21:11

ever much. Anyone.

21:13

Will let you in any context.

21:15

So if someone wants to let

21:17

you host their walk a Thought

21:19

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21:22

for Cancer! If someone wants you

21:24

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21:26

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21:28

failure. Some. Is

21:31

the it the building blocks for making

21:33

something that is is worth was as.

21:35

If you could see my say site now

21:37

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21:39

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21:41

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25:21

Elise. I

25:29

wanted to go back a little because you are. Talking about

25:31

that show that has like a

25:33

lot of like heavy topics and

25:35

with stories that I tell. Like I'm

25:38

some of them are a little bit heavier

25:40

as well but I try and like list

25:42

it and I just was really curious to

25:44

know. How you do

25:46

that? Like how do you have that skill of doing. Both

25:48

at the same time and not depressing.

25:50

People are talking about heavy things, It's

25:53

certainly delicate balance is something I

25:55

work out on stage over time,

25:57

and it's trial and error and

25:59

and. The Lot error. There's a lot

26:01

more error than than than at a

26:03

success. I.

26:06

Think you're We're performing sept as dramatic and

26:08

comedic. One of these I try to remember

26:10

is that. People. Want.

26:13

You. To be honest with them,

26:15

like I feel like with your

26:17

stories, like I feel like one

26:19

of the one of the sort

26:22

of deepest strengths of your stories

26:24

is that there's a authenticity to

26:26

the story. I think people when

26:28

you're telling story doesn't really matter

26:30

if it's funny or dramatic or

26:32

whatever because they they lock into.

26:35

To. that the author authenticity of

26:37

you and so I think like the

26:39

key thing. Where I

26:41

think would be. You. Know

26:44

what's in the story, like what's true to

26:46

you say? Like over the years I've I've

26:48

been lucky enough to work with Ira Glass

26:50

on the at the American Life and he's

26:53

taught me a lot about stories and a

26:55

lot hims what he'll do his he'll take

26:57

a story that I'll tell him. And

27:00

he'll go like. Whoa. Whoa

27:02

was underneath that? You

27:05

know, like why did you wanna do that?

27:07

Why did you get obsessed with that? You

27:09

know, Like for example, like many years ago,

27:11

I had a story on his show. Or

27:14

where I talked about getting hit by

27:16

a drunk driver and being made to

27:18

pay for the driver's car and and it

27:20

was awful and I was pitching him

27:22

the story and and he goes. Yeah,

27:25

I mean, that's a good story about

27:27

like it's not good enough for. You.

27:30

Know this stage. I. Don't

27:32

think because. It's. A

27:34

lot of people have been hit by a car.

27:36

A lot of people been wronged by this or

27:39

that, you know. And so we were talking about.

27:41

what was that? What else is going on in

27:43

your life at that moment time And I'll I'll.

27:46

I was like Jenny and I my wife.

27:48

Now we're talking about getting married or not

27:50

getting married. Deciding what are what are we

27:52

going to do with our lives? You know

27:54

your about thirty. And and we

27:57

were in kind of either. it's a guy didn't

27:59

believe in the. The of marriage and

28:01

I was really kind of like

28:03

a bull headed about it and and

28:05

stubborn and he drew this connection

28:07

be magically between. How I couldn't

28:09

let go of this thing of getting

28:12

wronged by this drunk driver and

28:14

I couldn't get over the fact that

28:16

marriage feel so antiquated as an

28:18

institution is patriarchal and it's it's man

28:20

as he doesn't make any sense

28:22

in space, on exchanging land and

28:24

always tastes. And so we sort of

28:27

talk through the idea of like

28:29

one of those. Two things came

28:31

together. In as in the story

28:33

and so that's how that. Merged

28:36

into the end of that. Story

28:38

in the end of my girlfriend's boyfriend

28:40

the Southee the wanna see it on

28:42

netflix is like spoiler it was. It

28:44

came out ten years ago but it's

28:46

basically like I paid for this drunk

28:49

drivers car and I like go of

28:51

it. And Janeen, I got married

28:53

and I still don't believe in the

28:55

idea of marriage, but I believe in

28:57

her and I've given up on the

28:59

idea of being right, says the magically

29:01

that the show and that story for

29:03

his neck like became about. The.

29:05

Theme of like being right which is like

29:08

a meaningful thing to me and to go

29:10

back to the authenticity thing like. Like

29:13

I. Think the audience can sense.

29:15

When. I my granting on this

29:17

stuff like that's who I am

29:19

and that's of law or however

29:21

you describe it and so. And.

29:24

So if it's even if the audience believes

29:26

it's true to me. I think that there

29:28

along. but it's long for the ride and

29:30

so. Then it makes it universal. That's what

29:32

I can investment. Which is exactly the interesting

29:34

is it that I say that would make

29:36

it easier when you're talking about. Heavy

29:38

topics because. You. Could relate it

29:40

to something that's very light as well at the same. Time,

29:43

you know? Absolutely. And I think the

29:45

audience is willing to go between light

29:47

and dark. Yeah, I mean, certainly in

29:49

the old man in the pool to

29:51

really light. Really dark. And mean, I'd

29:53

I'd I may I have like. Jokes

29:56

that are as goofy as like all

29:58

others have of us have access and

30:00

in her head tell A by having

30:02

bladder cancer and I was twenty. you

30:04

know it's like still in it's a

30:06

pin drop silence. like it's and and

30:08

I think the audience knows that. Lights

30:10

I mean look like we're all in

30:12

this completely absurd life existence. We all

30:15

live in these absurd bodies. it doesn't

30:17

make sense half the time and like

30:19

to call it a flesh sit when

30:21

am overwhelmed. If

30:23

I really feel overwhelmed by life, I might look

30:25

at least stressing in the slush. Say that it

30:27

is really puts everything into. Perspective. It's man,

30:30

this is madness is it's is also

30:32

silly and I think sometimes comedians serve

30:34

the purpose of just being like. Here's

30:36

how I think it's silly and the

30:38

audiences I tell my gosh as I

30:40

think it's silly to. Is.

30:43

That kind of what you want your audience to feel like. Is

30:45

there anything that you like? I want my audience walk away

30:47

with this thing when they leave my shell. What Is that?

30:50

Oh man. Against serves a

30:52

six hour video of an old Jerry Seinfeld

30:54

interview or oh I think is In addition,

30:56

mean great comedian just has a ton of

30:58

wisdom on comedy. And. He says

31:00

his thing goes, I'm paraphrasing but but

31:02

it's sights ever performed for big audience

31:05

like and there's been a lotta laughs.

31:07

I'm not thinking how did that go

31:09

for me, I'm thinking how did it

31:11

go for them to be good Cause

31:14

it's not about me, it's about damn

31:16

and in the about me giving something

31:18

to them. A in he goes

31:20

the people I've seen. Kind.

31:22

Of fall apart in show business are

31:24

people who think it's about them. That's

31:27

really interesting. I thought it

31:29

was really profound and like. To. What I'm

31:32

trying to do is be vulnerable

31:34

to the audience and admit things

31:36

about myself that I'm. I'm

31:39

nervous about our i'm sad about or

31:41

I'm angry about. And. Do

31:43

that in a way that makes

31:46

them last. Ah, And

31:48

and if I can do that like ice

31:50

I feel like if you can go to

31:52

the dark as topic you go to the

31:54

saddest thing. You can find a laugh within

31:56

that he gives. Ah, the audience.

31:58

Sort of a treasure. The app of

32:00

their own to figure out how to do

32:02

that for their own stuff. That's interesting visual.

32:04

I like that I was a web developer

32:06

before I got into all this in when

32:08

I was talking to somebody kind of telling

32:11

me how to start this a business of

32:13

freelancing and stuff. They said the best freelancers.

32:15

Are generous freelancers and I. Always found

32:17

that to be true and then when

32:19

I started comedy I was like i

32:21

want to bring that into comedy I

32:23

want to believe that the best comedians

32:25

are like generous comedians So I think

32:27

that that's a really interesting like they

32:29

or their treasure map thing of like

32:32

you're giving these people tools to understand

32:34

their life, nurse in their feelings and

32:36

also. Maybe. Just last for a

32:38

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this episode isn't called the for us

32:45

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32:53

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In a lot of your performance is your images seat or

35:03

your notice in a comedy club? How did you make that

35:05

choice? Will a lot of it is like. So

35:08

in the early two thousand,

35:10

I was lucky enough to

35:12

open for. Mitch

35:14

Hedberg and Lose Black and Dave a

35:17

towel on What? What Was the first

35:19

Comedy Central Live Tour? Gosh, I now

35:21

I never was. I was so lucky.

35:24

Use of find his head of a funny

35:27

story. I I was going to Washington D

35:29

C and that show was happening. And

35:32

I was such a big fan of

35:34

those three comedians. and I knew the

35:36

person who was booking the South as

35:38

he was a club booker in San

35:40

Francisco is Guy Just and I call

35:42

Jeff and I go. Could I get

35:44

tickets for that show? And

35:46

he goes out. Do you one

35:48

better? you could open up? And

35:51

I go Okay as I threw myself

35:53

and I put myself up and all

35:55

his seven like says i made no

35:57

money to do it. Ah,

36:00

And. Then and then I said can I do

36:02

more of them And so then I did like

36:04

Philadelphia. New. York and a bunch of

36:06

other ones. But what I found in the theaters

36:08

in this is what sort of one of things

36:11

that really changed the way I look at everything.

36:13

Is. It in a theater versus a comedy club.

36:16

I just fine at the level of listening

36:18

is higher. Because there's

36:20

nothing else going on. There's not like

36:22

a server coming over bringing chicken wings

36:24

or not. You know any mean there's

36:27

up he both repeatedly getting up. go

36:29

to the bathroom. people shout last. And.

36:32

Sounds like oh my jokes, you're actually

36:34

doing better in a theater than they

36:36

were in a club. Because.

36:38

People are listening. The game of us

36:41

is. Says

36:43

least. Really

36:45

up until this point of the interview.

36:48

I genuinely thought every time I said

36:50

like cedar on any of the prep

36:52

I've been given or like any ten

36:54

he said that he likes performing in

36:56

theaters I thought he was talking about

36:59

like musical theater. Okay, The.

37:01

Space. Of a Cedar.

37:04

Not. Not. These

37:06

wrath of music sadist. Again,

37:11

attacking someone is. I

37:14

was just so confused because as seem

37:16

like everything that my degree or has

37:18

it ever put out and I have

37:20

never once seen him like singing and

37:22

dancing in itself says that okay he's

37:24

branching out try something new. So

37:27

glad I didn't ask him. About

37:30

musical theater. So. Glad

37:32

it did not go into that because if I

37:34

didn't get that he answer I would have probably

37:36

post later. On Oh My God. Oh

37:38

My. God. Okay. I

37:42

never thought about that, but that is

37:44

so true. It's like you go

37:46

to the club and then that person doing comedy is doing

37:48

that as well. The same. Together, both living two

37:50

separate timelines in the same room. Gas at

37:52

a theater. Genuinely as a I am here

37:54

to listen to you And so I said

37:56

he would. It would be receives better. Yeah,

37:58

he said that way. Works as well.

38:01

Like you think that's that dedicated like so

38:03

guess is that why. You enjoy writing

38:05

The book says well, yeah, it's funny

38:07

Like the. When. I did Kobe

38:09

or the other night he his producer

38:12

was telling me that did this thing

38:14

that he says to people sometimes on

38:16

his staff he goes. We. Have

38:18

to remember that when we're putting on the

38:20

show. Were. Performing with the

38:22

audience, not for the audience and

38:25

I think that in the theater.

38:28

The. Potential for performing with the

38:30

audience is a higher. Than.

38:32

In a comedy club? because you know. They're.

38:35

Eating the drinking. they're doing all this.

38:37

Definite sites will. actually you're not doing

38:39

that. So you're actually you're not. All

38:41

doing the same thing right. And.

38:43

How long did you do that too at with them? I

38:46

did like five or six cities and

38:48

then. And the New York one.

38:52

There was some executives the Comedy Central who

38:54

saw me and and they said hey, would

38:56

you wanna do like your own tour of

38:58

colleges because I was like a kid. I

39:00

was like twenty five, twenty six years old.

39:02

Yeah so I was like yeah that would

39:05

be great as I did the first ever

39:07

Comedy Central. Live. College

39:09

Tour. It. Was called the

39:11

Media Man on campus or so and

39:13

medium. Man on Sisters. And John

39:15

Malaney was eye opener actually. Oh my gosh, I

39:18

don't know what he's up to, but he's I

39:20

know, I'm just kidding. he's a Vegas com external

39:22

world. He came on that tour and we went

39:24

on like a tour bus and it was a

39:26

very kind of formative life experience. I thing for

39:29

both of us when we're still very close. He

39:31

came the old man the pool the other night

39:33

which is really sweet. Doesn't make you nervous when

39:35

your friends come and watch. They. Get

39:38

performances. Yeah I don't like performing for

39:40

friends that much. I'm in feel. I

39:42

like performing for strangers. I I think

39:44

of like. Performing. Comedy As

39:47

like. Stripping. Are some

39:49

things were like I like for

39:51

other people that I did strip

39:53

and mean true truly You know

39:55

if you send me to Peoria

39:58

Illinois and said the you're you're

40:00

gonna strap in This can be

40:02

no cameras as can be all

40:04

strangers or go. Yeah a disaster.

40:08

For. The Record: I would feel as

40:10

uncomfortable stripping for my family as I

40:12

would performing live comedy for my family.

40:15

Or. For anyone. So.

40:18

That's. Ruining. But

40:20

then your Grandma shows up to support

40:22

you. Would be a millionaire? likely? you'd

40:24

never believe. This is where it gets

40:26

really tricky. That's. Why? And

40:28

that's why it on. That's why I'm not a server.

40:31

That. Is the perfect way to describe

40:33

what it's like. It's especially the right

40:35

content about your own life because you

40:37

do so much content about you. I've

40:39

had to start like sending my dad

40:41

text. Messages: You're a dad.

40:44

I'm gonna put the story this morning. I

40:46

just need you to not watch it. You'll

40:48

be like great. In

40:51

it's it's like it gets exhausting, has you like

40:53

only want to write the stuff that I have

40:55

to than tell people. I love to not listen

40:57

to it. So it's not that it's like it's

40:59

not that it's so inappropriate that I'm embarrassed for

41:02

anyone to hear. It's like I just don't want

41:04

people that have known me as a child to

41:06

hear it. It's like that's it. That's yeah. No.

41:08

Usually I changed the names am, especially if I

41:11

don't have any relationship with that person. Now I'm

41:13

like I don't. Care to reach out and be like

41:15

how do you feel about we talking about your. Life.

41:18

Or would. You find it hard. That's like weird.

41:20

where do you draw the line. Between what information

41:23

is yours to share and not, it's definitely

41:25

a fine line and the I use a

41:27

ton of fake names a guy the I

41:29

pretty much have other than. My

41:32

wife by daughter Missouri so brother

41:34

like the vivo ah you know

41:36

those, those. Who whose

41:38

names you can't say. I.

41:41

Said everyone's name is is chains

41:43

and ah yeah and in them.

41:45

Like with those people you know.

41:47

My my wife Jenny is a

41:49

poet and so she's contributed a

41:51

lot of like lines and things

41:53

over the years. To

41:55

help. Color and

41:57

paint in a year per care.

42:00

After in, that's been a really special

42:02

part of my. Process

42:04

in also. my brother Joe is been. He

42:06

writes with me and so he's written a

42:08

lot of lines. For. Himself,

42:10

I actually van much better.

42:13

If the people in your life who are

42:15

these characters can remind you of their version

42:18

of the story yes I say that. My

42:20

special thank God for jokes. About.

42:23

You know I i i tell a story and

42:25

ago but that's just my side of the story

42:27

made. This person's version was blah blah blah blah

42:30

blah blah. But a lot times I'll say to

42:32

my wife like. Hey. Jenn like we

42:34

Here's how I remember this thing as she

42:36

goes like that's not really what happened at

42:38

all like actually ah with you know we're

42:40

like wow how do I know these deals

42:43

Yeah and so usually I honestly a dozen

42:45

of being an amalgam of sometimes and in

42:47

in the same with my brother my parents

42:49

Ira runs up by them then I your

42:51

i want me to be a comedian yeah

42:53

only me and I get a wanted my

42:56

comedy I don't trust your side of the

42:58

story anyway he either I answer is a

43:00

whole other thing. That.

43:02

Also, there are certain things that just because

43:04

it's not the way it happened, doesn't mean

43:06

it's not the way. You experience it.

43:08

were internalized that so there are our

43:10

allies, different sides and you can just.

43:13

Try. And like he like you know, Aetna.

43:15

This is how I remembered it and this

43:17

is what my brain is experiencing as it

43:19

happened. Sir. David Sedaris is like

43:21

one of my favorite humorous of all

43:23

time and. One time some I

43:26

saw someone ask him like. Are. These

43:28

stories true and he goes

43:30

through enough for you. That's

43:33

inches and it's kind of my

43:35

guts of a eat a snappy

43:38

take on the whole thing because

43:40

it's true. it's x It actually

43:42

doesn't matter for his you whether

43:45

my story that I'm telling you

43:47

is to share unless there's something

43:49

at stake like a major multinational

43:52

corporations, right? The unit you don't go

43:54

and like outwardly lion hurt somebody that's like

43:56

not that's not. The Goal: Factual yeah. I

43:58

think that I and. Very literal in

44:01

so I really struggle. I. Just don't

44:03

think I'll ever be the person that is like I'm

44:05

just gonna make something up because I don't have anything

44:07

and I really had to become okay with the idea

44:09

of like there are just going to be things I

44:11

miss remember. And. I

44:13

have to be okay with that. You

44:15

know more goes back to our flesh.

44:17

Her flesh was yeah flesh. This goes

44:19

back to our flesh foods which is

44:22

that we are also a bunch of

44:24

mostly brains. Yes, does you know? Side

44:26

note: there is no important but as you know

44:28

that if you were to hold your brain in

44:30

your hands, it would be so fragile that it

44:33

would collapse in itself. It. Can throw in

44:35

itself. It's always been real unit. yeah,

44:37

no. I also could be wrong. Right

44:39

itself. and right. right. So I'm not.

44:41

I don't think you're sciences so I

44:43

had my team sack check this for

44:45

me cause I just immediately question the

44:47

word to me and I'm in. Out

44:49

as soon as they left my mouse in

44:51

I can confirm this is correct. These you

44:54

tried to hold your brain in your hands.

44:56

it would collapse under it's own weight so

44:58

it's protected by all of the like fluid

45:00

around it. So wear helmets. Thanks.

45:02

For coming to me tedtalk next week I'm gonna talk

45:04

about seat belt safe to. His. So I'm

45:07

not gonna run with this. I. Heard this

45:09

is a i somebody was explain this as to

45:11

why you need. To Wear helmets. Holy

45:13

Cow. So. That has nothing, does anything

45:15

and with that, yea we did. We did

45:18

it for. Thank you so much make I

45:20

really appreciate talking. To you and thanks for sharing!

45:22

So much nicer have made as is great. For.

45:28

It is in the skip right over the fact that I was

45:30

talking to make for vaguely at. just casually

45:32

as as he was not make

45:34

purple glia. With skip. That

45:37

on the ability to connect with Mike

45:39

on our storytelling and how he crosses

45:41

story and what he adds in and

45:44

leads out in how he highlights humor

45:46

in truth all at the same time

45:48

like he is of series. Inspiring

45:50

story teller to me and.

45:53

I want to model the way I

45:55

tell stories about my life after the

45:57

way he tells stories about his. It's

45:59

just. It's very inspiring and also how much

46:01

he loves to perform to a cloud. I'll

46:04

could not relate to that any less. All.

46:06

I want to. I want to do

46:08

that. I'm just so afraid that I

46:11

will sail boats and I love that.

46:13

like. Might just isn't afraid to sale and

46:15

he actually believes that like failure is all a part

46:17

of the process in a know that with my. Brain.

46:21

But. My emotions like don't want to

46:23

know that because I can't handle that

46:25

are had a candle failings. live in

46:27

public right now. If I make a

46:29

joke or a video that like doesn't

46:32

land and someone doesn't think it's funny,

46:34

I don't have to like stare into

46:36

the whites of their eyeballs, at their

46:38

face when they don't think it's funny.

46:40

I just I don't. I just carry.

46:42

On with my day. I could not

46:45

actually imagine that oh my God that

46:47

Macys is on a spiral. So.

46:50

Anyways, shudder to the live performers out there because

46:52

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46:56

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