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Welcome to the Future Chia podcast. I'm Leon Fitzpatrick. And I'm Jos Stowa.

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And we'll be talking about everything from Taoism to design to traditional Chinese

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medicine and everything in between. And we talk about how to make purpose out of life and life out of purpose. Whatever that means.

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Join us for our next amazing adventure into the unknown.

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Music.

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Well, here we are again, having a very eventful day up here in the mountains.

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Yeah, we've got this beautiful, super slick, city, Mini Cooper,

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John Cooper's work, tuned to the max. The thing is a beast. It's so fast.

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On the track, on the streets, it's just incredible, especially the winding roads.

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And now we're living in the bush. We're living in Crystal Ward on Dirt Tracks.

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And it started raining and now the Mini got blocked in.

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And it's absolutely not doing anything because the power in the engine is simply

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too powerful for it to do any benefits on nature.

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You can't have too much power. Yeah. Too much power. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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So it's just obviously, once you live in the country, you know,

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you may have to decide for a different car.

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So you think the low profile tires on the front wheel drive,

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two liter, twin turbo charge lowered race car isn't working quite for the environment.

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Yeah, it seemed to ease. I'm surprised. Cause, you know me about that. It's causing struggles. Yeah.

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But on the way in here is a windy road. It's great fun.

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Oh, once you pass the dirt aspect and once you pass all the flooding aspect

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and you actually got dry road, this is the only thing that can actually keep

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up with you is a motorbike. Yeah, I can see that happening.

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It's incredible, that thing around the corners.

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I mean, I love that advertising that when Mini started, you know,

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10 years ago, those advertising on TV were great. Like this guy takes the Mini

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and spins it up on the road, on the mountains.

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And on top of the mountains, he opens up a can of soft drink and.

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And in screen, everything's just like, can't see anything. Can't see anything.

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He's just shit everywhere. And, uh, then it's like, dot, dot, dot, Mini. It's the car.

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And it said it, what it is. It's, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's for corners.

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Yeah. And this is your fifth. Fifth one. Yeah, my fifth Mini, yeah. So your first one was the original?

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The original Mini Cooper. Two-door. Yes, yes. And how did you fit in that?

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The interesting thing is that Mini Coopers look small, but they're actually

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very efficient space-wise. So they're actually made for tall people, so it works really well.

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So I have so much space in that thing, and I'm 1 meter 96, and I'm leaning back,

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and I have like, yeah, to me, they're the best guy.

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Yeah, it's a very clever design. Yeah, it's very, it's cute,

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it's individual, it doesn't look anything mundane,

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and in particular, it doesn't, when you drive it, it doesn't feel mundane,

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and because that's obviously one of the bigger things, because we can't get around not driving,

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you know, you've got to go, we have to cover distance, or maybe soon we've got

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the ability to levitate. Soon? Yeah, soon. What do you mean soon? life. There's a lot of research.

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I listened to this podcast today about this. The psychologist who now teaches

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telekinesis and actually bodily movements without you actually using any of your bodily functions.

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So it's levitational aspect that- Without using your bodily functions.

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Yeah. You're actually using your mind. So what you always talk about levitating,

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et cetera, which was first come to the public with the transcendental meditation with the Maharishi.

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That's when he first time talked about levitation. And because it only,

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that was from that Time magazine when they did a photo of a TM meditator who

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had the energy moving through the body too strong and it generated what they

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called frog hopping. So the body just actually moved up.

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And off the ground. Yeah, off the ground for about 30, 40, 50 centimeters moved up.

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So it was because the energy was so strong and the body jerked and needed to express itself.

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And a photographer from the Time magazine actually took a snapshot of that and

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it landed on the front cover of the Time magazine and said, Transcendental Meditation,

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the Maharishi claims levitation. That was in 1968.

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So, that was the first time that the Western public heard about levitating.

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And those who have read the autobiography of a yogi are very familiar with the

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levitational skills of the yogi. And then this new guy, this who is now on board and teaches people this sort

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of like telekinesis, moving objects without touch here.

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And it's now taking place in the academic research in the West. Okay.

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And that includes also levitation.

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So according to them, it's within us.

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So one day we will be able to actually move from A to B without actually using a car.

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Would that be like teleport, like changing location, like teleportation?

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Yeah, most likely, yeah. Most likely. It's like, boom, you're suddenly there.

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Because in the spirit world, you travel distances without actually involving

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travel. You suddenly appear. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So with your mind, you can be

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instantly in Europe. Yeah. You can be instantly at the end of the world.

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So we know that we can do that. And when we dream, we have all kinds of experiences, yeah?

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Yeah, yeah. So it would tell us that this is not possible in form.

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Yeah. I mean, when the Tai Chi master punches you, you know exactly.

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It's sort of not really a travel pace or time involved.

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It happens sort of instantaneously. Yeah, that's true. It's very hard to understand.

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Past that too when you see it happening it's like a frame missing

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out of a film you know look at one frame another frame

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and you don't see what happens in between because i've seen it multiple times and i still

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can't process the moment in between the movement

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and the person being thrown out of the strike happening it's like a missing brain

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can't because he when you watch films and movies like it's you 24 frames a second

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is a standard film rate but our brain has to join the dots because it was showing

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you're seeing a single frame and a single frame and a single frame but our brain

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stitches them together so it allows it to flow smoothly otherwise it you would

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appear as flickering and frame by frame.

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But when something like that happens and you don't actually see the move.

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Yeah, that's according to the way I understand from a Chinese medicine perspective,

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that's because the brain is still under the instructions of the limited awareness.

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Yeah. Because it's an organic object that is following the other understanding.

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So what happens if you change the understanding?

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Yeah. Yeah, then you sort of set a rule, set a program. And then suddenly our

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molecules dismantle and we appear again.

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Yeah. Well, it's interesting because in science fiction,

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which I've always been interested in because it's the, you know,

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it's the grounded, supposedly grounded elements of science, which is like, you know, technology,

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technology advances, we get to A, B and C and the fiction aspect being like,

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what's the wondrous, what's the imaginative approaches that we could have with

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technology in the future? A lot of science fiction is based on that, generally speaking,

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is pushing what we know now to the future. And often it influences the future.

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We see things in movies or in comics or whatever that are fanciful.

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Even Isaac Asimov wrote the whole sort of rules of robotics,

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the three rules of robotics, which is science fiction, but now that's actually

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being used to help train robots and AI.

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So there's always a art imitating life or life imitating art thing happening.

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So I'm always fascinated by watching sci-fi, reading sci-fi movies.

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There's always something that grabbed my attention because also in design,

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we also think about the future a lot. Like what's the most coolest futuristic version of the phone or the car and

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when you're drawing and coming up with it you want it to be as low as possible

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or as wide as possible or you know. It floats off the ground doesn't use nutritional technology so

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a lot of times people's imagination is what influences things like star trek

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where they had to teleport so they'd go you know beam me up and now this ray

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of beam would appear and that would reappear someone wrote a really interesting

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article about this and there's a whole theories around that because supposedly

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that teleportation technology was destroying you, breaking every single atom down in your body,

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transmitting it wirelessly, energetically, and then reconstituting you somewhere

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else. So it's actually not you. So every time in a Star Trek they go in a teleporter, they're being killed and rebirthed, whatever.

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So someone wrote this whole thing, how many times has Spock and Captain Kirk

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been destroyed and reconstituted in this whole dystopian idea that comes like, what makes it you?

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If you're being broken down and transmitted to rebuild.

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Is that actually you anymore? Is it some other version of you? So it was really interesting.

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And then like Back to the Future, our version of levitating and moving is the

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hoverboard. Mm-hmm . Right. Remember that came out and,

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And the flying cars, hovering cars, you know, and everyone's like,

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well, that was said in 2016 or 2015.

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Back to the future too. So we were told, you know, thinking,

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oh, in 30 years from 1985, there'll be flying cars and hoverboards.

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And of course, here we are in 2024 and there's no hoverboards,

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there's no flying cars. So there's always an expectation. Lock minis. Yeah, countries. Getting stuck in the dirt.

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I think. So this is what's interesting about all this because it's exciting.

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The future is exciting. like you know a little brain called future thinking

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even this mug i've made for our podcast i've got design destiny future

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that word makes me it's interesting to me because you

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know in one second we're now we're in the future you know from when we started

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this podcast this is the future this is a different world i think god knows

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what's changed on the planet since we started this conversation i'm sure a lot's

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happened but i'm always curious about the intent to create the future like the

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designer who sits with a blank sheet of paper and draws the car or the motorbike

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or the phone or the hoverboard, the concept designers in movies

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who come up with ways to visualize technology and do special effects.

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Your famous sci-fi writers like your Asimovs and all these people who wrote, you know, Philip K.

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Dick who wrote Blade Runner or Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,

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all these very formative things that really defined a lot of that genre,

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but also, again, influenced reality. A lot of people want to bring these technologies into real life and they're

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constantly trying to reverse engineer this or how to do that.

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The way what you're describing is, to me, fascinating because we so often miss

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the internal elements the training elements that would

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come with doing that so we look at like most superheroes and

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comic books or there's a radioactive accident accidentally and

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suddenly they have superpowers you know or they're mutated or

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they're an alien like superman who's come to earth and just so happens that

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it's a different sun and he gets superpowers and it's done there's no training

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involved you know occasionally we have batman or iron man who develop their

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own tools and techniques to overcome that but those are all that established

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versions of the future alternate realities that i I think you're interesting.

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And I'm always curious about, you know, we can design the future. We can plan something.

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And this is what it's going to look like in 10 years or five years.

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And this is what we're constantly doing. Town planning, designing buildings, because buildings take years to design and years to build.

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Cars, most cars you see on the street started their life five to 10 years ago.

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You know, and then the sketch took years to develop and they had to engineer

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it. So we often end up in a world that looks like the future,

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but it's already the past. So there's a constant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm always curious about what is the future really,

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because we don't really ever get there yet. We're there all the time.

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So recently a man named Marcello Gandini passed away as an Italian designer.

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And a lot of the articles about him is calling him, and I think rightly so,

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one of the greatest car designers to ever live. He designed about 50 or 60 different cars. The Stratos Zero,

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which is this beautiful, incredible low wedge shape.

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He also designed the actual Lancia Stratos, the rally car, which is really famous. The first BMW 5 Series.

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The first Volkswagen Polo. The Lamborghini Miura.

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The Lamborghini Quintac. All right, yeah, yeah. So he's got about 60 of these

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cars. And the Renault Turbo 5, the original Renault hatchback with the fine weight.

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Yeah, yeah. So all these very iconic vehicles came from his,

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and then how many times has that been imitated?

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You look at the standard wedge shape. If you look up wedge shape supercar,

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you'll see all forms of cars end up with this low raked windshield,

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very wide, very triangular. We talked about the Cybertruck a few episodes ago. That's very heavily influenced

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from this wedge faceted shape, which arguably he created. That was that.

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And that was imitated from then. And one of the articles I read about him was sort of saying he's the person who designed the

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future because back then those cars in

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the 60s and 70s you know designing those things and if

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you look up the stratos zero for example or you know the

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first countage that's alien you know cars were

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had tiny little wheels and they sat very high and had chrome

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hubcaps and fins and suddenly this thing comes out looks like a ufo landed and

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where does that come from that's some sort of inspiration or i think you know

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any creative process is tapping into something that's from somewhere else we're

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talking about this quite a lot you know you're accessing addressing energy or

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you're transmitting energy or ideas into something and bring it to life on a piece of paper.

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And you can't say that he looked at a car before that to design that car,

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the Stratos or the Countach. There's nothing to reference in the car world.

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So if you look at a 1950s or 60s car, you can end up with a pink Cadillac or something.

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So the idea that he was pulling something in from other locations to create

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this vehicle that would then. Look futuristic in that time and age, but it's also currently used as a template

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to what we consider to be futuristic even now, even though we still have combustion

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engines and wheels and they're not able at levitating.

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So I guess there is an open-ended question about how much can we sit and intentionally

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design this future versus what actually is manifesting based on the things that

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we're doing we don't know are changing the future and destiny and what that means.

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Things like are we going somewhere that's preset you

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know we talk about destiny and purpose and path all

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the time and if you look at the vedic scriptures there's quite often a path

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that's laid out that we seem to be following perhaps but i'm never really sure

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if we're living in something that's really the future or really what it's supposed

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to be or it's a version from the past that we're just sort of currently inhabiting

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i think we are forced to do something new because

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way back when this designer in the 50s and 60s created these incredible designs,

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there was no fear or pressure on him because life was still normal.

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What you would consider normal, because there was no existential angst and such.

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People came out of the war, but still it was not like their whole existential

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crisis was not identified, was not triggered,

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but now it is, you know, it's just like in, not everyone, but you can say pretty

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much like half of the population is just really asking themselves the question, why am I here for?

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And the fact that, I mean, according to psychics, a lot of souls are leaving

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the physical, you know, which is the, what they call the excess death,

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you know, it might be from a psychic perspective, they would say a lot of them

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are actually suiciding. They're actually leaving, done. Yeah, because a lot of people who've got the

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sensitivity of the spirit within them can't make sense of the way it's going

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because whatever the negative is,

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it's just having too much an impact on them.

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And whereas the designers of the 50s and 60s, they didn't have the fear factor that we have now.

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Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. And so now we are under totally new stress factors that we never had before.

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And when you listen to the top anthropologists who look way back into the whole

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history of humanity, when they are interviewed in podcasts, they say, this time, 2024,

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is unprecedented before.

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It's never been before like that. Where so many factors are coming together

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that are undermining our reason for being here. Yeah.

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And undermining our purpose and understanding of who we are,

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where we just like, we were, for the whole evolution, we always had the drive to, to move towards.

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But it was never the question, what is it, towards? Yeah, no, you're right.

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But also in that aspect of sci-fi, which I think came into its own post-war

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50s, 60s, 70s, the automotive design shifting the landscape, fashion, music.

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Look what happened in the 60s and 70s with music.

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It's sort of like there's optimism there in many ways. Like the space age.

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Kennedy had that great speech in the early 60s and he said, we're not going

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to go to get to the moon because it's easy. We're going to do it because it's hard.

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And that like you know you just you can't think of presidents or

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leaders giving speeches like that anymore in terms of they're inspirational it's

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like we're going to do this it's going to take a long time it won't

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be easy but we're going to do it because it should be done you know

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you know designing rockets and a lot of stuff there was you know there

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was a let's go to the stars let's leave let's let's do

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these things that are great now you do that and they call you crazy and you're a wacky

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billionaire because you're building rockets and we should solve the problems

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here on earth and there's always arguments on why we shouldn't shouldn't do things like it's endless you know

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there's almost no point in asking the audience anymore what they think fucking

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cares just do it as long as

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you're not harming people and there's another argument that had me there about the whole thing right

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to debate but the idea that we'll shoot down someone

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who's trying to change something or do something different is interesting like

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to be optimistic is so you know we had this conversation a couple of times it's

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if you're optimistic or happy you're positive people like what's wrong with

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you you know and i think in this sci-fi design even to create art,

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music, literature in this day and age, there's so much pressure now to say something

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political or to be woke or to say the right thing or to tread carefully or fit

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inside this thing because you want to make sure your work gets listened to.

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Yeah, but when someone of the 50s, if they put all the focus on designing a

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great car, there was a lot of desire on a large scale to wanting that. Yeah.

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The desires for things have really shifted fundamentally. Yeah.

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And a lot of people are not really interested in a lot of things anymore.

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Yeah? Yeah. That's another thing also. And another factor is obviously we really

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are stressed from within by experiencing illnesses, internal illnesses we never

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had before. Yeah. Like on such large scale.

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Yeah. So if you have like pressing symptoms in you, say this be like a metabolic disorder.

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Yeah. That means you constantly have to be aware of what you're eating because

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you get bloating straight away. And so that means food that 30, 40 years ago, yeah, you go out for dinner,

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that's a pizza, that's a beer. Just didn't think twice. I remember the 80s, the 1980s, no one thought about food allergies.

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This is like, come Friday, you go out.

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And we went to Pizza Hut and $5, eat as much as you can. So I did a new record every Friday. Yeah.

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So and then on top of it you just drink as much as you

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can yeah you know so it there was no

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one there said oh i can't eat today because got allergies you know

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so i would think like that didn't exist so so you

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live carefree yeah you know when i came to australia in

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1981 it was an amazing country because you lived carefree yeah and so the the

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80s pretty much peaked in that regard the 90s sort of came in and then sort

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of like the first allergy started that's been When you look at asthma problems,

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when you look at allergies, food allergies, now there's not a person without food allergies.

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So if you have to be very careful of what you're consuming because it either

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triggers bloating, stomach pain, or it triggers fatigue next day and things like that,

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you don't have much energy left to look at what else is there that attracts you.

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You're too consumed with the inner symptoms.

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How do you think broadly or have vision or think about things like on a larger scale or even your own?

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I think the design is shifting towards health. Yeah. Yes.

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It's like, if I don't feel good within myself, the design doesn't really make

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much difference. No, I can see that. Yeah. It's like, and if you feel good, it doesn't matter what you drive.

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That's true. I remember that. I remember that back in the day when it was like,

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you know, I had a bombed out car, but if you hire the car, it feels like a Lamborghini.

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And if you feel really shit, I remember that when I got into the 90s,

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when I started my health and in the mid 90s, I was so successful.

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It was just flying and I bought a new BMW every year. I remember. Yeah.

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But many times it was so stressed out. So I had the beautiful M3 or Z4,

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and then I was too consumed with the stressful thoughts of negative nature. Yeah.

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And I couldn't really just sit there and enjoy the car. Yeah.

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And I noticed after a while, I don't actually enjoy it. I'm looking forward

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towards the next car. Yeah. Yeah. So I got trapped in that, looking like, I want to get the next car maybe.

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That's when I'm feeling good. So I experienced how the excessive 90s in terms

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of goal settings and becoming successful, how that impacted on your inability

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to enjoy the moment. Yeah. Yes.

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And then obviously then I realized, wow, this is bullshit. That sucks.

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Yeah. And I got obviously let go of all that thing.

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And at the end, it was 30 years ago, that's when I decided that's it and got

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really back into the internal world. Yes. Back in the internal world, what I mean by that is like exactly how I did as

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a hippie. Yeah. You smoke a joint and everything's fine. Yeah. Yeah.

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And so this time, then I realized, okay, I got to feel the chi within yourself.

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So, and more and more people have that realization because when I get people

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in clinic, they can't enjoy life anymore.

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They feel like their life's over because they can't eat the food they want to

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eat. Yeah. They can't drink the drinks they want to drink.

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They feel like they're in prison because there's too many regulations on them.

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That they can't do it. So if I, we do the treatments and they start changing

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their life and suddenly the allergies go and suddenly they can eat again,

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suddenly they can drink again. You know, they feel free again. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're like,

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wow, I'm myself again. Yeah. Yeah.

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And so, so they have realized, okay, unless I understand what happens within,

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whatever is on the altar can't really do much. Yeah.

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Yeah. And I think maybe that's where desire is heading.

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Design becomes internal rather than external yeah yeah and

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whatever the in which we in so in whichever way

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we need to find ways how to regulate the inner world yeah

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and i think that's just separate from education and i did run

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help toronto design school a small design school for several

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years i did realize at the end of it that was difficult to

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get people and just train them in those skills that there almost

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needed to be a whole process involved where you like basically have them like

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do some physical training as well like some martial arts diet and

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other things to actually get to the full access of the potential and getting

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someone in a room you know we did evening classes after they had a day of doing

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who knows what other stresses and come in and try and give them new information

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and have them work on their skills i realized i'm like there needs to be some

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more holistic approach to teaching yeah and i think education in general is

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missing that too it's like there's a it's all very cerebral and here's the tools

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that you need and here's the. But also they give them lofty ideas around the future and not even the future,

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but theory without any real grounding around it.

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So there's sort of a missing element around that.

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There's a guy named Alfred Luce who was a writer who wrote about,

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I think, the Bauhaus and about design. And he said that the educator must have people with all the tools they needed

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to contribute to society in a way that's not just technical, but also spiritual.

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He used the word spiritual. tool and i think what he's getting at is there's

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other things there's other elements in education that go beyond technical or

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theoretical so you can look at those as being these core things like i chatted

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to a friend of mine earlier and i said like a lot of education is going very theory,

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heavy on theory and design thinking and and all these things and then they met

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the technical aspects secondary so here's all this lofty thing and then the

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technical skills are not drilled in so therefore you don't really have a confidence

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in drawing or using the cad computer or making making things by hand and tools

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but if you flip it around you can go let's focus heavily on the.

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Trade of drawing hammer nail tool you know draw computer and then let them discover

24:58

that stuff on their own later on in terms of the the why or the purpose you

25:02

can you're better to find that path in your own perhaps in between but there's

25:04

also missing piece there that missing piece to me is this,

25:09

What I would look at when I've done in my training is like the martial arts

25:11

aspect, which has led to things like spirituality and other elements that I'm

25:14

still trying to get under the handle of because it's quite difficult.

25:17

But there's some other aspect there that's not being taught or introduced as

25:21

being part of the same system in terms of education.

25:24

There has to be some other way to bring those things together.

25:27

You look at like primary schools or grade schools or high schools,

25:29

quite often you spend all day there. So there's a cafeteria where you have lunch or you might have breakfast there

25:33

and there's a gym or physical education classes, all those things.

25:37

But if the food is terrible and the environment's bad, not learning the right

25:41

thing and the physical education class is missing something,

25:43

you're also missing out on the possibility of doing it properly.

25:46

So I think those, you know, starting earlier on as kids or younger people in

25:52

terms of getting them that across the breadth of things, not just isolating,

25:55

to be good at this, you must be good at that one thing or teaching it out of order.

26:00

I just think there's a missing component there that I think that's a huge part

26:03

of the future is about how we set people up or how they learn or how they achieve

26:10

that potential or discover themselves differently than later.

26:14

Yes. Which now has a new drive. Yeah.

26:16

Yeah. Back in the, like when you look at pre COVID times, the drive was feel

26:22

good is affiliated with the next thing I'm going to go.

26:26

I'm going to get by the next phone, the next car, the next house.

26:31

Yeah. Yeah. So the feel-good was affiliated with amassing the wealth externally.

26:37

But then, obviously, COVID caused such a wave of triggering the internal illnesses

26:44

that were in the development for the past 30 years.

26:47

So it's not COVID that caused it, it just triggered it.

26:53

Yeah and so so now the feel good.

26:59

Is now having a totally different agenda yeah it's

27:03

about okay I got all these internal illnesses I

27:06

got these internal symptoms and I gonna I gonna the focus is not in terms of

27:12

feel good that like if I got those internal symptoms the new car won't do anything

27:17

yeah so so now I need to look into okay what do I do about it Yeah, yeah.

27:24

And so that now the drive goes towards, okay, I'm going to look at,

27:28

I need to change this, I need to change that.

27:30

So there's obviously a whole new way of, it's almost like life design.

27:36

So instead of focusing the design on the process of an object,

27:41

now it becomes, I need to design my life. Because then if I feel good within myself, then I discover a good design around me. Yeah, absolutely.

27:50

And obviously in which way, to me, it looks like there's such a massive spiritual

27:58

awakening in the brewing. And the spiritual awakening always has got the symptoms. Like everyone thinks

28:04

spiritual awakening is like a lightning guy and it's like, wow, this ecstatic state.

28:11

That's not spiritual awakening and spiritual awakening is actually a departure

28:15

from the old towards the new. And that is always first comes with symptoms. And one of the main symptoms is

28:22

tiredness and the feeling inadequate and feeling not not worthy and a lot of

28:29

other self-doubt and not knowing how to belong to others, not knowing how to communicate,

28:35

therefore having all kind of anxiety, social anxiety.

28:38

So you've got like a whole list of symptoms and they can't be resolved with the means of the old.

28:47

Spiritual awakening means you've got symptoms, internal symptoms.

28:51

If you address them with the understanding of the old model,

28:54

you will not attain change right yes yeah

28:58

so that means if you have a symptom such

29:01

as tiredness anxiety depression feel inadequate

29:04

etc and you're going to seek the doctors and they're going to give you medication

29:07

for it it's not if it's not doing anything that means it's a spiritual awakening

29:12

yeah and what it means is that you validation and source of inspiration and

29:19

energy comes from a model that is dying.

29:23

So you basically have your plug in a socket of an outdated system that is dying,

29:28

and your batteries is now getting bad energies or wrong energies and dead energies

29:34

because the bodily functions in Chinese medicine require the qi from a source to work.

29:41

So when we eat foods, of course there's nutrients in the food,

29:45

but there's only one side of the coin. And the other side of the coin is the

29:49

qi, and that comes from thinking, behaviors, how we meditate, mindfulness, etc.

29:55

So that comes from the cosmic source.

29:58

So if we aren't connected to that understanding how to actually utilize the

30:03

nutrients of the food and we're deriving

30:05

our validation from a system that provides us now with bad qi. Yeah.

30:10

Because that's when we look at the old system. For me, the old system,

30:13

I look at bad chi. Yeah. I look at the government's bad chi.

30:16

I look at everything in the Western world, bad chi. Yeah.

30:20

And so if your plaque is in that socket of an organization that delivers bad

30:27

chi, then obviously you will have bad symptoms.

30:31

Yeah, well, you're not going to get away from that. Yeah. So obviously now you've

30:34

got internal symptoms and it doesn't matter how many cars you buy.

30:37

Yeah. It doesn't matter how many Lamborghinis and houses you have,

30:40

and it doesn't matter how much plastic surgery you do, and it doesn't matter

30:43

how much you do, how much Ozempic pills you drop, and how skinny you will get.

30:49

It doesn't matter if you've got the Ozempic face, and you've got all kinds of

30:52

cheekbones coming out that look like a transparent, some sort of like a robot from a movie.

31:00

Kind of a good way. Yeah. If you feel bad, we're not working. Like the Ozempic crisis is interesting because

31:07

the gay scene, the queer scene is saturated with Ozempic. Everyone's on it.

31:12

But Ozempic doesn't work when you take drugs. And a lot of the queer scene takes drugs.

31:18

So now people can't feel good because they can't take drugs.

31:22

But they take the Ozempic to have the status of the Ozempic face,

31:27

the beautiful cheek. The weight loss drug. Yeah, weight loss drug.

31:30

So like, boom, it just like, it's completely throws us into pieces. Yeah.

31:35

And how many people are on this weight loss strike? You know,

31:39

in order, yeah, heaps and heaps and heaps and heaps.

31:42

So that's obviously one of the factors that actually people are trapped in the

31:46

model of the old, but feeling worse as a result of it.

31:51

And so the old system that is influenced by the influence of Instagram,

31:57

all that getting skinnier, skinnier, skinnier, all that stuff is actually bad cheap.

32:01

So you're tapping into that, you get bad cheap.

32:05

So you can't if you can't control that

32:08

with medication and you and you tried everything and you

32:11

still feel bad that means you are

32:14

experiencing a spiritual awakening right so now it is what it means your soul

32:19

is waking you up and say take that socket out of that plug of the old system

32:24

and now put it into the plug of the new system right so you need to get you

32:30

you need to get your support from a new system. Yeah.

32:33

And now you're waking up that you need to actually be validated by something totally different.

32:39

Yeah. But obviously you don't know exactly what it is. That's the challenge.

32:43

Yeah. So therefore it needs the probing going within. But the interesting thing

32:48

is there's such a massive proliferation of podcasts will talk about this sort of things.

32:54

Like there's so many spiritual podcasts now, Next Level Soul and many other

32:58

podcasts. cast and they have millions and millions and millions of listeners

33:02

and they all share their experiences and then they've got a website with it

33:07

and they've got chat lines with it. Everyone's experiencing this spiritual awakening. So now they obviously will

33:15

have a totally different need for design. That's a whole new market. Yeah, it's a whole new market. It's like, what do they need?

33:23

Yeah. So from that perspective, I see so much work ahead of us.

33:27

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah so much work i'm i'm always

33:32

overwhelmed by how much work we have yeah

33:35

well it seems like it's it's because if you look i've looked

33:37

at the normal design field of

33:40

process and it's it's just sort of spinning in circles where it's an imitation

33:44

of an imitation so everyone's copying each other and so that seems like a dead

33:47

end so i don't know where that comes to an end or where it starts again but

33:50

it's quite disheartening if you look at it and you just go like right it's all

33:53

just going nowhere but also that like you just said there's an opportunity there is to is to step.

33:59

Probably a very long time since i started started studying design i felt

34:01

like that was it had to happen so i was always reluctantly in this

34:05

field and wondering where it was going to go next what's going to happen next because you

34:08

can't like design your way out of that externally as you

34:11

just said you can't necessarily just use the

34:14

same tools that you started got to say

34:17

in the first place this is the whole i think steinstein or someone's been

34:20

attributed saying it's like doing the same thing over and over again with the

34:22

same details and expecting different results but it's

34:25

also like if we expect the future

34:28

to resemble the past we're going to miss out on a lot you know it's the same by

34:31

avi loeb who's an astronomer who studied sort

34:35

of interstellar objects like a more more and he said that yeah

34:37

if we risk new discoveries we

34:41

expect the future to look like the past if we expect it to

34:44

see the same thing over and over again like you mentioned we have that we don't

34:47

have the new programming new software to see the new thing but we're plugged

34:51

into the old thing if the new thing is there it won't present itself or won't

34:55

be won't be able to access it because we're still tethered to the the wrong

34:58

the wrong outlet basically yeah so that.

35:01

Disconnection and reconnection thing i think is probably that feeling of like loss i

35:05

feel like this loss of end of a lot of things a lot

35:08

of things have come to an end it's not working anymore it's very it's very frustrating because we're

35:11

still trying to have a lot of projects in the past year or two that felt very

35:14

much like it's just pushing this boulder uphill yeah this is trying to get at

35:19

this end and it used to be a lot easier than this like it was a lot of work

35:22

so it used to be not maybe not easy but it was simpler you knew that if you

35:26

did a b and c then d would happen, and now it feels like you're doing a through z or a through

35:31

w and then x y z not happening you it's like i'm doing all the same things and

35:36

it's not it's not happening so i'm moving forward so there's a resistance like

35:41

you we had the mini in the mud it was we tried a couple of techniques and we

35:45

got it out because there was some pushing and some finessing involved, right?

35:50

Initially, trying to get it out there makes it worse. You're like digging it

35:52

further and further in because it's not, you know, it needs to be directed a

35:55

different way. You try to go a different direction. So there's something there around where you want to put the energy of the exertion

36:01

of the force or the effort. Because, yeah, if we keep continuing to access this, you have to go into the unknown. Yeah.

36:08

It is like, because I experienced both worlds in that regard,

36:12

because as you know, I'm an official classified, categorized as a content creator.

36:19

So you say, I'll never call you that, but that's okay because we're creating content.

36:26

Yeah. Yeah. I hate that word. Back in the days, you were a writer.

36:30

That's what I'm saying. Just basically. Yeah. Just, just today you're, you know, tomorrow you're, you know,

36:35

but yeah, for text return, you have to put down content creator.

36:38

This is like, now I'm in the same fucking box as with one of those influencer

36:44

on Instagram who is like 20 year old content creators who just like take photos

36:49

off their nose and I get a million clicks for it.

36:52

Yep. You know, and, um, so obviously as a, as a, as a, as a creator,

36:58

you are in the pool with the old and the new. Yeah.

37:03

And it's an enormous struggle. So I struggle with that.

37:06

And every, every morning I like, like, how am I going to do this?

37:10

Yeah. I'm going to, what is actually the way forward? it and

37:14

the way i learned it is i just

37:17

do it and it suddenly comes in yeah and i

37:20

don't think too much about it so so every

37:23

time i focus on what's next i actually don't focus on doing it i actually focus

37:29

on becoming yeah and so that means i'm actually put myself into becoming me

37:35

and in that moment i'm doing something and i suddenly observe myself ah that's

37:39

where it is yeah so i'm discovering covering something from doing,

37:42

but I don't have the intent before.

37:46

Obviously, I'm using practices such as Tai Chi, which is derived from the old. Yeah.

37:51

So in that regard, because it's ancient. But then they say it's not derived from this time.

37:58

It comes from a different dimension. So it's timeless.

38:02

But it's still part of a progression of a timeline from the 1600s.

38:07

So in that regard, it belongs to the old.

38:10

And so in that regard, we're using some stuff of the old, but then the ideas

38:15

to surrender and allowing the guidance to come through.

38:19

And I discovered it through strength training lots.

38:24

I find strength training is an incredible means of discovering what is actually new. Yeah.

38:31

Because like when I do my TRX or my strengthening in the mornings and I struggle

38:38

with a certain idea I want to explore with an online course or whatever,

38:42

and I don't know exactly which direction to take it because there's too many

38:46

different old influences coming in, then I suddenly see something.

38:51

But it's while I'm in the process of exerting myself, in the process of doing

38:56

it, I have to dig into my energetics and information is coming through to me.

39:03

So the overall picture is that whoever created us is fully aware that this is

39:10

what we're going through. It's part of the process because it's yin and yang.

39:14

And the Chinese said right from the start, it's always yin and yang.

39:18

And that means it always will be transforming. warming so it will never yang

39:22

will never reach the point that's it it's complete and perfect now

39:25

it's going to stay young forever yeah once it reaches this peak yang boom it

39:29

dies yeah and it goes in yeah yeah and i think that's what we're experiencing

39:34

now and so we got that it has we can't go any further in the terms of that yang

39:41

yeah and we have to go in yeah you know but then,

39:45

Yin is an equal power to Yang. It's just the opposite. Yeah.

39:49

It's not like less power. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it doesn't, it's not that it's less attractive.

39:54

It's not like that it's less exciting. It's just a different side. Yeah.

39:59

Yeah, it's just like you're dealing with a different element. Yeah. And by the now, it requires the design around the yin,

40:04

the internal connection.

40:07

So it's obviously a new way of approach. Like all design to now,

40:12

the way I understand it, always acted on what people's desires were.

40:16

Yeah. You said, where did it come from? It often creates or creates,

40:19

you know, it's creating people's, making them want something because of the way it looks.

40:23

So it's creating a field of desire or creating their body into something.

40:27

Fits in with something that people somehow expect.

40:30

Yeah, it kind of has to. Yeah, because if you're too out there,

40:32

it doesn't work. It happens all the time, right? Something's too far ahead of its time. It has to be.

40:36

So it has to hit the, feels new, but it's familiar.

40:40

But then it also has to make sense. Like if someone designs a car where there's

40:45

a big fat tire and it's just in line with the guards, it just looks good.

40:50

Well, yeah. I mean, that's subjective, but I think that's also true.

40:53

There's some truth there. Like, it's a universal truth. Yeah. If you look at the rear of the latest Porsche

40:58

GT3, what they've got at the rear, what the rubber is at, it's 385.

41:05

Why? 425 or something like that. It's ridiculous.

41:08

And it's just like, honestly, you can't put your finger between the guards and

41:12

the tire. It's not possible. And the car is just like not touching. Yeah, that's why everything you spend

41:17

60 years on one car, right?

41:19

Just every time it just gets a bit better.

41:23

Yeah, I remember when I flared my guards and put the bigger tires on back in

41:27

the day when I had that BMW. I was hitting the guards all the time and I blew tires and shit like that.

41:32

Designed for that, yeah. Yeah, they were the forefront, pioneering. Because it looked good.

41:38

Yeah. And you know, it's a fact. I mean, when you look at a car from a sports

41:42

car and it's got that negative ember, that means that the tires are actually facing inward.

41:46

Yeah. Rather than actually like X the other way. Yeah. It looks ridiculous. Yeah.

41:52

And wheelbarrow wheels on a car don't look good. That's a fact.

41:55

No, it's the truth. We know that. Yeah. But in this situation, the Mini could do with some, maybe some more off-road

42:00

stuff. Yeah, I'm going to look at how to turn that Mini Cooper into a bush basher.

42:04

And it's like, maybe let's do it first time ever. I'm going to lift it.

42:08

Yeah. And I'm going to put smaller reams on it. Yeah, trucky tires.

42:12

Yeah, truck tires. Yeah, so maybe some big spotlights. Yeah,

42:15

and just maybe lift the whole thing by half a meter. Jump in there.

42:18

Yeah. Yeah, and then sort of like, yeah, tractor tires. Yeah.

42:22

Next time I come up, I expect to see that then. Yeah, completely weird thing.

42:26

So that's going to be a rally mini. Future mini. Yeah. So yeah. So it's aligned with the design of the new- Off-grid

42:33

mini. Yeah. Yeah. So make the mini a hippie mini.

42:38

A mini suitable for hippie communes.

42:41

Well, it's a full circle, because that's where they started. They were very hippie cars, and then became very city cars and race cars,

42:46

so now you're just bringing it back to- Yeah. Back in my days, it was like full on, like the VW and the mini were the hippie

42:53

car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I thought. But even like the Minis were still race cars then. They were really formidable,

42:58

like really low center of gravity and really fast, lightweight, you know. Yeah.

43:02

Yeah, I mean, though I was a hippie, the Mini I had was like, was track proven.

43:10

So quick getaways then, was it? I had the flowers on it. Yeah, yeah.

43:14

Because obviously in those days, the Minis had flowers painted on.

43:17

Yeah. Because LeBron had the flared guards. Yeah. But the flared guards on the trousers.

43:22

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bell bottoms, yeah. And then you obviously flared the guards

43:26

of the mini. Yeah. You know, I made it, I made that mini so wide. It was incredible.

43:30

You know, it looked good. And then all these beautiful colors of flowers on,

43:34

green flowers, purple flowers. It was awesome.

43:38

And big exhaust, Abbott, Abbott exhaust. Abbott exhaust. Yeah. This thing was good.

43:43

All right. More things change, the more they say the same. Let's get into the, into the hippie idea.

43:49

Who knows where we're going to end that conversation, where it started.

43:54

That's what it is. We have to return to the hippie life.

43:59

Hippie said it right. Now we return to the hippies. Yeah.

44:03

Not the bell bottoms though. I won't wear those. I refuse to wear bell bottoms.

44:06

So make love, not war. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Till next time. Be hippie.

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