Scientists don’t believe in magic. Objects do not vanish. Assistants can not be sawn in half and put back together again. Nobody can read your mind whether they say abracadabra or not. In fact magic is pretty much the opposite of science. So you might imagine there’s not much that one can say about the other then right? Don’t be so sure Jonathan is joined by Gustav Kuhn, Reader in Psychology at Goldsmiths University of London and author of Experiencing the Impossible -The Science of Magic.