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To Wired Politics Lab A show

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I'm Leah Bagger, the senior politics

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editor at Wired today. We're going

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I are are, mobilizing their supporters

1:44

and rolling out need happened to

1:46

disrupt November and what that means

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for voters in the election workers

1:50

already facing threats. And harassment. Were

1:54

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School. Rose to be a

2:01

lifelong system. And

2:03

we're going to have asked if you seen

2:05

you choose to hold to those troops. Were

2:08

not in the back down. That

2:11

list Catherine Engelbrecht sees a founder of

2:13

Truth about a group that's been effectively

2:15

trying to disenfranchise voters for more than

2:18

a decade. This

2:20

recording it's from a webinar or that

2:22

she lied about organizing local activist groups

2:24

silence election officials. They do this by

2:26

falsely claiming that voter rolls are filled

2:29

with tony registry said and the group

2:31

really became as a seal off when

2:33

claims of a lesson. Now,

2:36

along with a bunch of other similar

2:38

groups, they're hosting training sessions that how

2:40

to organize on a hyper local level.

2:42

They're learning to monitor polling places, target

2:44

election officials, and deploy Ivy Three, a

2:47

software tool that allows people to challenge

2:49

voter rolls. Joining me

2:51

today from Cork, Ireland to talk about all

2:53

of this is David Gilbert. Save it as

2:55

a senior Politics right Are Wired who just

2:57

published an article about True The and groups

2:59

them this week on my or.com. He

3:05

did You sat through to hold. True

3:07

the vote webinars. How was it? It

3:10

was interesting but think after about

3:12

five minutes when touch him and

3:14

bird started talking about how prayers

3:17

crude meets ice particles look more

3:19

beautiful I knew I was in

3:22

for an interesting time. Oh. I'm

3:24

so glad you sat there. All of that for

3:26

us. to what exactly do they want? What is

3:28

true The vote want here? To. The

3:30

movies coming from a place where

3:32

the fundamentally bleeds, directions are broken

3:35

and their rigged under fraudulent and

3:37

walk they really want is they

3:39

want more for Rose to be

3:41

cleaned up and they want their

3:44

supporters to help them in seeming

3:46

of those go for rules. Why

3:48

do groups like True The Vote care so

3:50

much about the Federals? Like what? What specifically

3:52

is drawing them to? this. Issue So

3:55

voters are be lists of

3:57

registered voters that each state.

4:00

Or local jurisdiction maintains of the

4:02

people who are able to vote

4:05

in upcoming election so they're very

4:07

important and maintaining them and keeping

4:09

them clean as the phrasing goes

4:12

is very important for walk through

4:14

divorce. Believe is that most her

4:16

rose across the country, particularly in

4:19

swing states are filled with baker

4:21

phony voters. And. A believe

4:24

that they are Mission is to

4:26

go out and find these fake

4:28

motors and challenge them and get

4:30

them removed from both worlds. That.

4:32

These clowns I say clutter as the seasons.

4:34

They are actual. Problem I it am. I

4:37

know like seeming and maintaining voter rules

4:39

and registrations. Difficult people so I know

4:41

I'll move. It's a job election officials

4:43

have to do constantly and keep them

4:45

updated and obviously they're going to be

4:47

people who sit through the cracks and

4:49

people who move. Never informed election officials

4:51

that they've moved so there will be

4:53

people on the voters who shouldn't be

4:56

there, man. but that figure is in

4:58

some tests and really small and is

5:00

not a significant number of that he

5:02

could impact the outcome of. And yeah,

5:04

that's. That they're they're focusing on

5:06

it. anyway. Let's let's talk about exactly what

5:08

they're doing. Like what was in these webinars?

5:10

What are they telling? these local activists idiot?

5:12

Let's get into it. So. Suitable

5:15

as said has been around for

5:17

over a decade. Catherine Engelbrecht founded

5:19

the Through Back In Two Thousand

5:21

and Nine and Sousa Tea Party

5:23

activists at the time and ever

5:25

since she's have actually been saying

5:28

the same thing that there are

5:30

real issues with fraud related to

5:32

voter rolls. And so when Twenty

5:34

Twenty happened and Das Narrative suddenly

5:36

became mainstream orthodoxy for the G

5:38

O P because of Trump's pushing

5:41

of those false claims see suddenly

5:43

was proposed to the center of

5:45

this universe of conspiracy theorists. Along

5:47

with her so Fabrice or Greg

5:49

Philips who built the software tools

5:51

best to divorce uses or to

5:54

devote supporters use. And so they

5:56

suddenly became these cars infamous cigars

5:58

and they were in. The Into

6:00

Two Thousand New was conspiracy theory that

6:02

was created by Dennis De Sousa. True,

6:05

The Vote has the largest store of

6:07

election intelligence was twenty twenty elections in

6:10

the world. No one has more data

6:12

than we didn't. Lose

6:15

their information. That was at the

6:17

heart of bass movie, which is

6:19

widely debunked. They were involved in

6:21

mass vote or challenges in Georgia.

6:23

Three hundred and eighty four thousand

6:25

four for challenges and Georgia. To

6:28

so many, they are really in the thick

6:30

of it. Yeah. And like

6:32

they were hyped by pretty much

6:34

everyone from from been down in

6:36

the republican party because they're days

6:38

appeared to back up. The team

6:40

says that Trump was making. This.

6:42

Time around and twenty twenty four they

6:45

believed the problem is even greater and

6:47

so what they're doing now is they

6:49

are mobilizing to supporters and the network

6:52

of they've built up over the last

6:54

four years to go out and to

6:56

start challenging. Votes on a

6:58

case by case basis and that's what

7:01

the relaunch of their Id treats have

7:03

formed is all about. So

7:16

who's using the software and how does it

7:18

work? So. This offers design for

7:20

individuals so when a user who is

7:22

subscribed so I v three logs on

7:25

what they see is basically the Volcker

7:27

rule that has been imported from the

7:29

local jurisdiction and they can search for

7:31

an address or for an individual if

7:33

they have already got you know concerns

7:35

about someone or somewhere in particular. What

7:38

they also get is a list of

7:40

suspicious as com slut on cloud. Yeah

7:42

exactly. So they get to log on

7:44

to that and they can go through

7:46

all those suspicious accounts and but on

7:49

any real. Proof that there is

7:51

something suspicious about them. Vacancy Challenge and

7:53

as big as a awesome A said

7:55

challenge to that. Vote for Created for

7:58

Steak and then censor their local elect

8:00

an official and it's really are missing

8:02

in supercharging the ability to make these

8:05

watertown just. As terrible I mean,

8:07

it's so dangerous. Yeah. And

8:09

the big problem is that is based

8:11

on the Us Postal Services database and

8:13

has numerous reasons why.is not reliable will.

8:15

What happens when this obviously

8:17

and very predictably identify someone

8:19

incorrectly? Like. What? What happens? What

8:22

happens to the voters that are caught up in? That's

8:24

what happens to the election workers that are like dealing

8:26

with these requests. A big issue is that

8:28

it just slides. Election officials would request that

8:30

they have to bend. Go through this very

8:32

long and deliver process of trying to figure

8:35

out if the person that has been silenced

8:37

is actually still living at the address that

8:39

they're registered as Ramp that takes over for

8:41

five years of our obvious he's another. Receiving

8:43

them through divorce has because they feel less

8:46

because it takes so long to democrats or

8:48

delete or whoever they believe is behind this

8:50

are going to be able to push for

8:52

their agenda in that space and time. But

8:55

of course those measures are in place. For

8:57

reasons because the right to vote is

8:59

such a core part of being Us

9:01

citizen and the idea that you should

9:04

see be removed from a voter rolls

9:06

just because some random person was access

9:08

to decide the tree to decides that

9:10

you were nos who you say you

9:12

are, you know it's it's it's incredulous

9:15

that that could even happen, but that's

9:17

that's exactly what they want up. Any

9:19

of this sounds like it's gonna be such a

9:21

mess come November, and there's a lot of other

9:23

election denial groups out there that are doing similar

9:25

things. Yeah, voter. Rolls just kind of a

9:28

a kind of a an issue for

9:30

three months every major a lesson to

9:32

know group out there because that was

9:34

then give them the ability to make

9:36

the same once an alleged doesn't go

9:38

their way does. Oh it's because the

9:40

Motorola weren't cleans the other groups who

9:42

are pushing forward similar to was Ivy

9:44

tree like a George based group whose

9:46

produce one called Eagle Eye or Spaz

9:48

Ego A I would say if actually

9:50

does the exact same thing is I

9:52

the tree and their county Georgia is

9:54

actually signed a contract with that company.

9:57

To use that to clean their voter

9:59

rolls and maintain civil rights which is

10:01

really disturbing to someone in an elected

10:03

official. Position has decided that this is

10:05

how they should manage their voter rolls.

10:08

Right Right. And I mean so many voter

10:10

rights groups have advised against. These.

10:12

Uses like of Eagle A, I'm particular you

10:14

know per like I'm missing com are before

10:16

like a suffix has led to eligible names

10:19

being removed right. Exactly. That's

10:21

what it comes down to. Com

10:23

zone to the most minor of

10:25

for massing. Inconsistency stuck make it's

10:27

main bus to should be on

10:29

the Red Sox. A note there

10:31

are sets about them to which

10:33

means you can just push the

10:35

button and someone has a surfboard

10:37

removed. Boss as we've seen in

10:39

Georgia the Eagle Ai is from

10:41

T is contracting with this company

10:43

then maybe.is something that will happen

10:45

down the road because we've constantly

10:47

seen how republican lawmakers across the

10:49

country have. Brought forward legislation and

10:52

last four years to undermine voting

10:54

rights in all sorts of different

10:56

ways. We have to talk about

10:58

the America Projects that features former

11:00

National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. Yeah.

11:03

Sees as was it might slim

11:05

is a cigarette a lot of

11:07

people may have not heard of

11:10

for a while because I'm see

11:12

he was known from smashed and

11:14

security advisor for a couple of

11:16

days at least and then he

11:18

got caught lying twice to the

11:20

F B I last damn about

11:22

his communications with Russian ambassador and

11:25

see resigns or was fired or

11:27

resign before been fired or however

11:29

potatoes Ultimately he got pardoned by

11:31

Trump and then. Ever since

11:33

the Twenty Twenty election when from plus

11:35

he has become D C. Your head

11:38

of the election denial movements is everywhere.

11:40

He is never nos, appearing on a

11:42

podcast, are speaking at a conference. He's

11:45

currently on a national tour promoting his

11:47

own movie which I haven't seen yet.

11:49

Bus or town where to watch because

11:51

it sounds like it's gonna be a

11:54

lot of fun. I'm looking for interviews.

11:56

They're. What? Exactly

11:58

is the mayor? Project doing.

12:01

So Numerical Project is an effort

12:03

to kind of once again like

12:05

all these other election dinners groups

12:07

pushed in our says that Us

12:10

elections are rigged and fraudulent, all

12:12

based on absolutely nothing to sort.

12:14

Hear what the American Project are

12:16

central to. that is is Might

12:19

Slings claim that local action equals

12:21

Nason impact and what that means

12:23

that he wants people on every

12:25

single committee, on every single school

12:27

board, in every single county across

12:30

the country. Cushing this narrative on

12:32

behalf of him, on behalf of the

12:34

G P on behalf of Trump and

12:37

thereby creating this kind of network effect.

12:39

Where is everyone is doing enough to

12:41

same time Dennis is going to have

12:43

a major impact on the elections. Overall,

12:46

there's. So many of these streets and they

12:48

feel way more organized than in Twenty Twenty

12:50

And Twenty Twenty with bad. They. Are

12:52

without a dose. way more than I

12:54

said. Most of these good for to

12:56

Divorce has been around for a long

12:58

time. Most of these groups of kind

13:00

of forms based on the claims that

13:02

have been spread from the top from

13:04

the likes of My Slim from from

13:07

From South and Steve Bannon they formed

13:09

in each states and counties your there.

13:11

there's some of them, a result of

13:13

some of them are national networks and

13:15

they have tens of thousands millions of

13:17

followers in some cases. And the American

13:19

Project is is one such group who

13:21

has. Not only Gus kind of

13:23

a network of people on a very

13:25

local level, they're also deeply connected to

13:27

the G P at a national level.

13:29

I kind a half from my my

13:31

says he's in that they're not fringe

13:33

groups anymore These pipes and I. Mean

13:36

same Thera Officially mainstream. Let's talk about

13:38

that. Let's talk about this: Institutional Support

13:40

Leave now. Gone through all of these

13:43

different groups that are clearly working to

13:45

disenfranchise voters and undercut the legitimacy of

13:47

elections. Business movement has also taken hold

13:50

at the highest levels of the Geo

13:52

P. I mean the Republican National Committee

13:54

has been made over in the image

13:57

of elections in Ayers. Yeah, I'm

13:59

on the amount. Project webinar that

14:01

I was listening in to last

14:03

month. Right at the end,

14:05

one of the organizers apologize to

14:07

everyone that was listening because they

14:09

had hoped to have Christina Bob

14:11

or appear on the web in

14:13

R. And for those who may

14:15

not know who Christina Bob she

14:17

is as former presenter Whiskey One

14:19

American Network at the far right

14:21

when American Network and a former

14:23

employer. Yeah, Because of Dass

14:25

sie went from kind of remade

14:27

they are and seen. He also

14:30

appointed Christina Bob the head up

14:32

there election integrity efforts. Which

14:34

is incredible given far history of boosting

14:37

election conspiracies. And so the America Project

14:39

was saying that they had spoken to

14:41

the republican Us into the and they

14:44

said that she was willing to join

14:46

another Weapon are in the future So

14:48

that just gives you a little insight

14:51

into just how connected Ryan these groups

14:53

which money still cause friends but I

14:55

really really central to their kind of

14:58

broader efforts. Been post from the top

15:00

down by Trump and Slain and are

15:02

being kind of pushed. Out then of

15:04

a local level across the country. When

15:11

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15:13

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16:10

I'm we have a guy joining

16:12

me in the city. Our is

16:14

another writer from our politics of

16:16

you Vittoria. I worried about them

16:18

Failure hi done rates hard to

16:20

us about the sir you just

16:22

published. Yet. So I think

16:24

before we even start with that organ in

16:26

get a little bit nerdy and talk about

16:28

what a sweat is. Love it! Let's get

16:30

their software is a Freedom of Information Act

16:32

Request is a letter or email you can

16:35

send you a public official to be like

16:37

hey, there's government information on this I would

16:39

like it. Please send it to me or

16:41

tell me what you can't Journalists Lover Foyer

16:43

We do love of where we use them

16:45

a lot. And Wales has

16:47

been a really see

16:50

ways that election deny

16:52

years have been overwhelming

16:54

local government and election

16:56

workers. Looking up for.

16:58

Instances of voter fraud. Sometimes they are

17:00

truly just digging for the same. Have

17:03

assessed that David highlighted in the first

17:05

segment where they're looking for names are

17:07

looking for instances where ballots may have

17:09

been miss, counted, or mishandled. And.

17:11

Sometimes he really is just an

17:13

effort to gum up the process

17:15

of government, but either way, this

17:17

has been an ongoing thing and

17:20

experts that I spoke to said

17:22

they're really concerned now about the

17:24

addition of gendered is a I

17:26

on top of this process. There's.

17:28

So much so in fact they're so.

17:30

after the twenty twenty a like San

17:32

Trump at all alleged that are been

17:34

massive voter fraud elections in Ayers, the

17:36

started bombarding local election officials with flag

17:38

requests yes and wizardry. but government workers

17:40

are legally mandated to respond to them

17:42

within a certain amount of time. So

17:44

the kinds of this urgency to them

17:46

soil that can be really difficult if

17:48

you're trying to respond to a foyer.

17:50

Why are also trying to make sure

17:53

an election run smoothly Tux me more

17:55

about these election workers and their responsibilities.

17:57

Hear, these are the. People that Satan

17:59

meet. You get your mail and

18:01

ballot on time. Shore of of people

18:03

who actually run the mechanics of an

18:05

election. Oftentimes they maintain a voter role

18:07

for their county or or their precinct.

18:09

and they're the people who are making

18:11

sure again that like you get registered

18:13

the you can reach out with any

18:15

problems there. The people behind the system.

18:18

What does this all mean for Twenty

18:20

Twenty Four? And how does A I

18:22

have anything to do with this very

18:24

question? Just like you can ask something

18:26

like Catchy Be T or Microsoft Co

18:28

Pilot to write you in English. Paper

18:30

and it can spit something out for

18:32

you in about a couple of seconds.

18:34

You can also ask it's right of

18:36

way a dangerous or great. Well.

18:38

God, this is the problem. So when

18:41

I spoke with David Levine, a former

18:43

election worker and now who's advising elections

18:45

for the German Marshall fun, he told

18:47

me that we could be looking at

18:50

a really big problem. There.

18:52

Have been elected officials good,

18:54

have been overwhelmed with for

18:56

your and basically Gen Vi

18:58

provides means by which to

19:00

do with those cheaper, faster,

19:02

and easier to do. This

19:04

is something that elected officials

19:07

have to be least aware

19:09

of and trying to plants.

19:12

Okay, So you gotta tell us you try this out

19:14

for yourself, right? You made a couple of way as

19:16

using a I. I. Did so I

19:18

wanted to test what these chat

19:20

bots would do when asked to

19:22

generate a foyer about instances of

19:24

voter fraud. Google Gemini it will

19:26

not generate a flair for you

19:29

think you google touchy be T

19:31

which is run by Open A

19:33

I will ah so would met

19:35

as open source lama to but

19:37

I think the most interesting one

19:39

was actually Microsoft Copilot which responded

19:41

to a very generic question with

19:43

specific language that said please return

19:45

any instances of voter fraud. In

19:47

the Twenty Twenty Presidential election specifically seek

19:50

so that's the platform makers as a

19:52

platform itself actually mentioned twenty twenties without

19:54

you bringing it up without me bring

19:57

it up at all. I didn't ask

19:59

which election. So I could have been a

20:01

state election. You could been a local election. Could have

20:03

been a federal action. I didn't say what kind of

20:05

election. I didn't say what year. I didn't say anything.

20:08

When I saw that it was terrifying

20:10

to me that was so efficient and

20:12

so well done. It just it was

20:14

incredible. But how is this issue going

20:16

to be solved? Like is it down

20:18

to the platforms who allow people to

20:20

use these chat bots are is going

20:22

to be on the election officials side

20:24

with a gonna have to influence some

20:26

system where allows them to detective an

20:29

ai is producing these foi requests. It's.

20:31

Very difficult to tell when something's been

20:33

generated by generative A I am. There

20:35

are a sense to regulate these things

20:37

and enough some companies do with cold

20:40

water marking where it will tag and

20:42

image or that the product that's generated

20:44

so that another machine can recognize that

20:46

it's been generated by a eyes. So

20:48

as you have sort of a machine

20:50

that reading it, it'll fly. Get insects.

20:52

Something like foyer That might mean using

20:54

a word more frequently than it would

20:57

show up in natural language in that

20:59

would alert a computer like hey, this.

21:01

Has been generated by a machine. But

21:03

that. Doesn't necessarily mean that human

21:06

would be able to recognize that and

21:08

it also doesn't mean that we have

21:10

the technology on the government's side. Freya

21:12

do that. And I will say the

21:15

law Washington State They had to change

21:17

it to reroute requests to the Secretary

21:19

of State's office. They also changed the

21:21

law to allow election workers to not

21:23

sell foi request that they are pretty

21:26

convinced come from a bot or from

21:28

a machines. but again if you can't

21:30

tell how can you make the legal

21:32

case to not settled Affleck Say. When

21:46

it's have a little bit about the people

21:48

that are actually impacted by all of these

21:51

fire class the election workers, They're getting flooded

21:53

with these requests and can't see their jobs.

21:56

One. Effort with that he can. He

21:58

Patrick the Ceo of The National, says. And

22:00

for election officials said that she's heard

22:02

from election workers who are telling her,

22:04

you know, especially in smaller counties with

22:06

there's media only one or two people

22:09

that they're feeling foi requests from nine

22:11

to five, they're not actually able to

22:13

do their normal elections. Judy's until am

22:15

I work hours Yeah, it's crazy and

22:17

it's an incredible burden on the system.

22:19

and it's just one part of it.

22:21

I mean, for years we've been seeing

22:24

reports on election workers getting harassed intimidated.

22:26

David, you have a new piece out

22:28

on how election workers are very. And

22:30

twenty twenty four already talked to us about a

22:32

tacos that everything else going on. Between.

22:34

One or for some some depressing,

22:36

they're exhausted. Their kind of putting

22:38

on a brave face and saying

22:40

they're gonna be ready for Twenty

22:43

Twenty four just because batteries what

22:45

they have to do from underneath.com

22:47

of bravado. there is definitely when

22:49

you speak to them a sense

22:51

thus the last three years has

22:53

been as huge huge challenge everything

22:55

seems. Obviously some did this information

22:57

that we seen around the Twenty

22:59

Twenty Bulls and a direct impact

23:01

of is obviously the threats and

23:03

intimidation that sounds based. On, there

23:05

is in direct results as well. People's

23:07

house has suffered. People have designed the

23:09

can't fill positions. Those been budget shortfalls

23:12

because the money's have to go to

23:14

secure election offices around the country. Said

23:16

it. I think overall has been a

23:18

huge impact on the election system in

23:21

the Us over the last four years.

23:23

And in some cases, election workers themselves

23:25

are in positions of having to dispel

23:27

disinformation in the course of their jobs

23:29

and like they're the frontlines of debunking.

23:31

Yeah, like the let's sufficiency like they

23:34

have to or a d some election

23:36

system feel it's their job to kind

23:38

of meet his head on and your

23:41

sports return Arizona Who's gonna win a

23:43

d Most prominent people doing this who

23:45

uses his twitter account quite a lot

23:47

to to debunk information and your some

23:50

of his tweets have gone viral but

23:52

lots of them haven't been, he's just

23:54

a lot of it is just consistent

23:57

day after day shooting down complete lies

23:59

about how. Election System Works which is

24:01

enormous City sued tall he says himself when

24:03

he reads his reply was messages he it

24:05

just depresses him. But the state of the

24:08

country and how what people believe about elections

24:10

today. And the impact on him is undeniable.

24:12

I mean, I have to read this quote from

24:14

your interview as him as it's right and center

24:16

me. He. Says or mean

24:18

facility is a fortress. now. we have

24:20

gates up around the clock. we have

24:23

badge access around the clock. We have

24:25

general security outside of our facilities, and

24:27

because we have an election going on

24:29

right now, we have additional security, additional

24:31

barriers, additional patrols, This. Is from

24:33

the primary. right? Yeah. This

24:36

is indeed the actual election. This

24:38

is from Arizona primaries so is

24:40

quite incredible. often to see Mcglynn

24:42

to talk and sometimes military terms

24:44

of of for fair elections look

24:47

like know. And that's just

24:49

such an incredible way to think of

24:51

both parties. You know the basis of

24:53

only democracy, and it's incredible how quickly

24:55

has got to this point. It's

24:58

terrifying or election officials were a

25:00

this is gonna continue getting worse

25:02

as here. Yeah, and they're leaving

25:04

the jobs. A really interesting report

25:06

that just came out this week's

25:08

and the Bipartisan Policy Center actually

25:11

sound that basically since Twenty Twenty,

25:13

there's been a near forty percent

25:15

turnover rate is so much in

25:17

election officials and just frilly comparison

25:19

because I have the chart here

25:21

in Twenty told that was twenty

25:23

percent. So they've seen more turnover

25:26

than historically we've ever seen. So

25:28

that means that you're going to have new

25:30

people in nice job. Hopefully they get settled

25:32

their green of new people in these jobs

25:34

for dealing with all the pressures that David

25:36

and I have looked at. In an

25:39

election year Jessica institutional as part of it

25:41

is is something that like for an of

25:43

someone leaves their job and to move place.

25:45

In some cases they have processes and place

25:47

where they can quickly learn what to do

25:49

but in in other states not a counties

25:51

because it's different in every one they don't

25:54

have dusk is or think that the knock

25:56

on effect of this loss of and she

25:58

snores won't really be known until. After

26:00

the twenty twenty four votes. How does

26:02

this impact voters? What does this look like? What? Will

26:04

This looked like a November? What? Could this looked like

26:06

a November? While speaking to

26:09

such trees stays across the country

26:11

for for this piece they were

26:13

all very positive about how the

26:15

vocal go. They said that despite

26:17

everything, the institutions will remain and

26:19

that the election will be run

26:21

properly and run on time. And

26:23

we saw And Twenty Twenty was

26:25

you know, declared the most secure

26:28

Us election meant in history. So

26:30

they're they're kind of backing up

26:32

on that. My think voters. It's

26:35

very hard to tell how they

26:37

will. Feel about. This.

26:39

Election weathered. The amount of this information about

26:42

the noise the motive see that's being spread

26:44

will impact but as a think it's worth

26:46

voting you know we'll we'll The people who

26:48

have been listen to this information for last

26:51

four years think when what's the point voting

26:53

system bestowing than us have been stay at

26:55

home with could backfire in the people who

26:57

were actually spreading disinformation. Were

27:00

going to take a quick rights and when we

27:02

come back for we're gonna talk about our favorite. And

27:05

stairs easily. Within

27:17

a lot of time talking about conspiracies

27:19

and disinformation at the Wire Politics Desk.

27:22

And we don't always have time to get

27:24

into all of it during the south that

27:26

for this segment li well I guess they're

27:28

bringing conspiracy that they've been following all week

27:30

and I'll be taking my favorite. Tory

27:33

and David Are you ready? I'm ready.

27:35

Anything Ravens You go first. Okay,

27:40

is an Eclipse conspiracy?

27:42

Saints goodness there are

27:44

a loss to choose

27:46

from, but. During. The

27:48

Eclipse one of the major conspiracies

27:51

was released to the fact that

27:53

serves large Hadron collider with fires.

27:55

Some some park those rooms a

27:57

massive ring a like near speed.

28:00

Of like that one's gonna be turned

28:02

on as the exact same moment that

28:04

the eclipse is gonna happen with city

28:06

you know that is fair enough in

28:08

front of the fumes are known about

28:10

notable at the very least. Yeah so

28:12

that was taken on and before the

28:15

kids happened there was like oh they're

28:17

going to open a portal to hell

28:19

because this is linked to amazing An

28:21

interesting fact it on the eighth of

28:23

a pro I think it's a scene

28:25

or four days of Closest Cove ouster

28:27

probably he's in English because of some

28:29

writers. Pretty famous and in console yeah,

28:32

he lives in New Orleans for a

28:34

while. Yeah, yeah so he made contact

28:36

on the eighth of April an easy

28:38

know forward. a demonic and as he

28:40

cause he was something like that People's

28:43

on obviously. The large Hadron collider

28:45

is also going to make consecutive to

28:47

monitor and to see cause a was

28:49

that didn't happen are we don't think

28:51

I'm. Not

28:54

and what happens sadly was

28:56

did test of Peter Higgs.

28:58

Peter Higgs is scientists who

29:00

the Higgs Boson was named

29:02

after. So he died at

29:04

the same time as the

29:07

eclipse happening. So obviously his

29:09

death then was taken on

29:11

by conspiracies to suggest that

29:13

something nefarious. Was happening. I think

29:15

it was summed up best by

29:17

piece Dawn on Twitter who said

29:19

add God Particle which is the

29:21

misleading name for the Higgs Boson.

29:23

the spicy can. Peter Higgs an

29:25

atheist and he's in the name

29:27

goes back to the blender as

29:29

is this is the God particle.

29:32

Man of Higgs Boson dies during

29:34

the eclipse as Cern fires back

29:36

up. Is this sauce enough for

29:38

you? Yes, Said that tweet. Got

29:40

six hundred. That is It sensitive.

29:42

For years. Six hundred and fifty

29:44

thousand. Views on twitter. Am

29:46

so.that's my favorite consensus reads: It

29:48

just shows that these guys just

29:50

to make everything go on forever.

29:52

don't worry what he got. So.

29:55

Mine isn't super highly circulating but

29:57

i always and slightly entertained. In

30:00

a resurfacing of he went on

30:02

drops which was we doesn't happen

30:04

anymore will they still research Elite

30:06

on telegram to around the days

30:08

And so today's April tenth and

30:10

the one from today which is

30:12

wild is we have bananas and

30:14

that is like the fruit The

30:16

fruit yeah it was a queue

30:18

drop from several years ago on

30:20

Good Friday and it was an

30:22

old drying of bananas from Sixteen

30:24

Thirty three from an apothecary books.

30:27

And and what was that? I'm so sorry.

30:29

What's. The conspiracy that like that

30:31

is that even mean the bananas

30:33

are apparently indictments and they're coming.

30:36

Oh incredible own peril. I was just

30:38

like wow they queue just v we

30:40

once like his followers have to sit

30:43

on of potassium know no know. The

30:45

interpretation is that the bananas are indictments

30:47

and they are coming audible. I'm glad

30:50

that this was resurface and so I.

30:52

There's a couple of channels I follow

30:54

were on the on the appropriate states.

30:56

they will research Elite some of those

30:59

drops and. I didn't. Want a crib?

31:01

An eclipse on from David so I figured I would hear

31:03

the bananas. Bananas for

31:05

all. Soon on boot, the just

31:07

keeps on giving. Yeah. I'm

31:10

so sorry, but I I do think that

31:12

my favorite this bananas is a close second,

31:14

but my favorite this week might have to

31:16

be the combination of everything eclipse. Know.

31:18

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