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so. Well.

2:23

Wow. Can take game of

2:26

roses. doesn't pay case.

2:28

This. Is bachelor clues and we

2:31

just witnessed the with intel all

2:33

of bachelor's in twenty eight so

2:35

grabbed see a day or brought

2:37

the de Grazia de Grazia de

2:40

Grazia de Grasse. We've been saying

2:42

Iran brought cigarettes a day cause

2:44

a. Gross A Rdr.

2:48

Before. We get into it. we have

2:50

one piece of business for you. We

2:52

are finishing up the curse on H

2:54

B A. Lax and Clues is coming

2:57

on for the finale next week. So

2:59

if you wanna hear that to go

3:01

to H B A Lax podcast and

3:03

I will say. The.

3:06

The things I've read a lot about it

3:08

since having finished the entire series, And the

3:10

things that I. Thought. About it.

3:13

No. Spoilers I have not really seen

3:15

written anywhere so have been. Assessed.

3:18

Picked up for whatever you want to take

3:21

a verse, but that's that's where I'm out

3:23

with it. That's where about was the series.

3:25

Oh My. God. now I'm even more excited.

3:27

I've been trying to guess because you'd like

3:29

said, it was so crazy. I

3:32

don't think we've gotten it. I don't know.

3:34

we'll see. I'm anyway. We're not here to

3:37

talk about that. We're here to talk about

3:39

the women tell all. And when

3:41

I tell you that my expectations were

3:43

sky high going into this. And.

3:46

They were met and exceeded.

3:49

I'm. Not exaggerating. Young With

3:51

the tell all portion, my expectations

3:53

were met and exceeded as well.

3:55

with the document portion they were

3:57

not. I will simply say that.

4:00

Oh, I mean I've already erased

4:02

that from my memory. How dare your

4:04

portion was horrible Well,

4:07

we'll get into it. I believe they did that to

4:09

us. They took things from me it We'll

4:12

get to it. We'll get let's just jump

4:14

right in okay. Let's jump And

4:17

now nice case and bachelor

4:19

clues probably present Analysis

4:22

of play in this week of our beloved game

4:25

This is game of

4:27

roses You know

4:29

who doesn't jump right in this

4:32

show because we hear a warm-up comedian

4:34

as we watch a bunch of people

4:36

get ready I don't think that was

4:39

a warm-up comedian. I think that was

4:41

a producer. I think we do jump right in We

4:43

are live in the studio and we hear this disembodied

4:45

voice saying thank you guys for being here We're about

4:47

ready to start the show. We have so many special

4:49

guests Voice I believe

4:52

is just kind of the in-house producer who's

4:54

kind of controlling all this control in the

4:56

audience And now this is a choice from

4:58

the very first moment. They're making a choice.

5:00

Listen to this voice This

5:02

is a TV show. It is a

5:04

live audience and we have some announcer

5:06

producer Maybe it is a warm-up guy,

5:08

but I doubt it I doubt they have a

5:10

warm-up guy cuz it's like I

5:13

mean you were at one of these do they this

5:15

faceless warm-up person

5:18

was my Oh

5:33

Wow, okay, I it was

5:36

so jarring to me and

5:38

I guess I did assume it was a warm-up

5:40

person Did they have this person when you were there?

5:42

I thought they had someone But

5:45

they might have been there the whole time and in

5:47

my mind they actually might have been a producer. I

5:49

have no idea Yeah I mean generally

5:51

speaking a warm-up person is only for Comedies

5:53

like sitcoms and shit because you want the

5:55

audience to be like laughing and in good

5:57

spirits. Yeah, I could be confused But

6:00

they there was definitely someone who

6:02

was like egging us on and like make

6:04

this emotion. Okay now make this one, right? Yeah,

6:07

and I guess I would call that a warm-up person. But yeah,

6:11

I mean to me it just

6:13

seemed like a controlling voice probably some form

6:15

of producer stage manager something but

6:18

It was from the get-go. They are

6:20

saying this is a TV show These

6:23

are characters were producing this they're breaking

6:25

down that fourth wall from the first

6:28

second of this Which I love because

6:30

I mean we'll get to it later,

6:32

but the whole modern. Yes That's what

6:34

they do in housewives reunions Like we

6:36

want to see that little moment because

6:38

then you get to see them kind

6:40

of transition to being on You

6:42

know what they do on fucking 90 day reunions and

6:44

it seems realer but oh god,

6:47

they take breaks They'll bring them all out on

6:49

their stage. There's no audience usually and if there

6:52

is it's it's like five production assistants But

6:54

they'll have them do all their fights and shit out

6:56

on the stage with the Dark Lord Then

6:59

they'll be like, okay You'll hear the voice come on

7:01

time for a lunch break or we're breaking for a

7:03

meal and then they all go into this green room

7:05

And start eating but they're also mic'd and there's still

7:07

cameras there and they're still fighting. They do that on

7:11

They do that on some shows. I was yeah,

7:13

it's a good strategy But the idea that they're

7:15

like bringing in the narrative that this is

7:17

a TV show It starts here right

7:19

in the very beginning and I absolutely

7:21

loved it. And then we see a

7:23

shirtless Joey getting ready for the Women

7:25

tall and I guess we're just

7:27

wait. I miss this What

7:29

there's a shot of him in his

7:31

dressing room shirtless Preening in

7:33

the mirror. I just have Sydney and

7:36

Maria are prepping Goldens are

7:38

there we see Goldens. We see Sydney

7:40

We see Maria and we see Joey

7:42

shirtless Wow. Did a traders producer make

7:45

this? I mean it did

7:47

seem like it this was very much pilot Pete

7:49

lifting weights in his in quotes bedroom Very pop

7:51

eye lifting weights and traders Then

7:54

we hear have fun everybody let's do this

7:56

big drums DLP emerges everybody's pumped up in

7:58

the crowd we get some I love Joey

8:00

signs golden ladies yeah DLP welcomes us

8:02

to the women tell all and he

8:04

promised it's gonna be explosive and emotional

8:07

we see a Maria for president sign

8:09

this to me harkened back to 2016

8:12

another election year where we saw make

8:15

Corinne great again hats being worn by

8:17

people in the audience and

8:19

to me that is exactly what I wrote

8:21

this is Corinne it's a bad sign for

8:24

Maria in terms of if she's gonna be

8:26

bachelor or not they are making her a

8:28

joke I think it's a bad sign

8:30

for our elections that

8:33

could be soon we'll

8:35

see that one foretold something very bad we'll

8:38

see if this one does as well

8:40

DLP intros our favorite golden

8:42

ladies we see in the audience

8:44

Susan Kathy FEMA Sandra DLP tells

8:46

us that Kathy and Susan have

8:49

a new podcast bachelor

8:51

happy hour golden hour coming out soon

8:53

and I believe the first episode of it

8:55

is March 28th we will of course be

8:57

covering that this is brilliant fucking

8:59

brilliant I I could I wanted

9:02

to text you I didn't want to spoil it and

9:04

I posted it on the Instagram and said no spoilers

9:06

yeah for the women tell all because this

9:08

is such huge news they're gonna be

9:11

so good at it their takes are

9:13

gonna be hilarious it's basically coming at

9:16

a fog mm-hmm well

9:18

yeah I think it is because this is official

9:20

this is I heart radio and the Bachelor just

9:22

like bachelor happy hours just like clickbait was just

9:24

like talking it out was so now they're gonna

9:26

have two official bachelor nation podcasts in their wheelhouse

9:28

and I gotta say you

9:31

know it's golden hour or whatever but I

9:33

don't think they're gonna be relegated to just

9:35

talking to the golden players I think they're

9:37

taking the spot from grocery and

9:39

serene year because I who's

9:41

you think regular happy hour is

9:43

done I don't think it's

9:45

done but I think you're gonna start seeing like

9:48

no then they would have just called this happy hour I

9:51

agree but I think you're gonna see the

9:53

same kind of like gas as soon as

9:55

they get kicked off are gonna

9:57

be on golden maybe not happy hour I don't know

10:00

they're gonna shuffle that around

10:02

but I love that they're

10:04

mixing them together and having them be such a

10:06

huge part of it it makes it

10:09

so fun and them being in the audience felt

10:11

like they're fairy gold members

10:13

again yeah gold godmothers

10:17

yeah I totally agree we see

10:20

Ohio for Rachel as another

10:22

sign and I mean

10:26

I just can't believe they're adding

10:28

another podcast I can I

10:30

thought we were dwindling down

10:32

no because here's how it works Warner

10:36

Brothers says golden made a fuckload

10:40

of money for us everybody watched

10:42

that shit we got some more drops to get

10:44

out of this one put them

10:46

on a fucking podcast and it also sorry

10:50

what if this gets a whole

10:52

new generation into podcasts could

10:55

it could what it

10:57

also means is that unfortunately

10:59

Kathy and Susan are not your golden bachelorette that

11:02

100% means that so they're out of the running

11:05

so now who is it it's FEMA I mean

11:07

we already knew that but it's either Sandra or

11:09

FEMA and did you see how they buried FEMA

11:12

they buried FEMA in there they buried

11:15

FEMA and they villainized FEMA in the last

11:17

one what's going on they're trying to throw

11:19

us off the scent unfortunately the scent

11:21

is strong and we are bloodhounds

11:23

you think this is trying to trick

11:25

us yeah 100% they're trying to

11:28

downplay FEMA because they can't like have every shot

11:30

of FEMA and the odds like okay we get

11:32

it she's bachelorette I'm telling you

11:34

they're trying to trick us with this shit hundred percent it

11:37

ain't working but we also see here deal

11:39

pieces of women and you know we're gonna

11:41

be coming out shortly again hey guess

11:43

what it is working for me because I'm it

11:47

ain't working for me we

11:49

see here again Joey is in the little box

11:51

in the corner shirtless again I said

11:54

unnecessarily in my humble opinion but

11:56

fine DLP reminds us about Kelsey's

11:58

cryptic note He says we're

12:00

gonna find out tonight. You'll see the

12:02

conclusion of the fantasy suite But first

12:04

this season was huge and Joey mania

12:06

is in full effect. We crashed some

12:08

watch parties now There have been

12:11

some good watch party crashings Do you remember

12:13

when pilot Pete's mother sweetnums and 747 flyer

12:15

had sex in a car outside one of

12:17

the watch parties? Allegedly.

12:19

Yeah, at least we were led to believe that

12:21

it was in the document. It's

12:24

been debunked at this point Yeah, I will

12:26

not spread that heresy

12:29

I simply view the document and believe it all

12:31

to be true. So they go to

12:33

these here's what I want to change about it It's

12:36

not a surprise. Correct. It's never a surprise.

12:38

Everyone has pictures of Joey around their necks

12:41

You tell me they watch it like that

12:43

every week. No, absolutely not just don't say

12:45

it's a surprise. Just say it's a Watch

12:47

party the surprise of it is

12:49

fine to me make it a real surprise have

12:51

a contest. I want it to me Exactly

12:54

that would be actually good if it

12:56

was I'm sure they don't do it

12:58

for like legal reasons or like to make

13:00

sure people are Prepared or who's in the room? But

13:03

I want to see people Really

13:06

freak out. I agree. You should have three

13:08

watch parties and you should have basically all

13:10

three of them are in a contest Yes,

13:12

they're all waiting to who is the best

13:15

watch party and you have legacy players hosting

13:17

each one of those like you have done

13:19

At other times you did this on Colton's

13:21

23. You had legacy players hosting

13:23

watch parties in various places You could have Susan

13:26

and Kathy at one exactly and you have them

13:28

all waiting to see which one is Joey gonna

13:30

show up to? Yeah, that's the winner you get

13:32

Grazie to come to your watch party and the

13:34

other ones get to have a fun time on

13:37

TV With other players

13:39

that they love and then they get to

13:41

cheer on the winners as they watch it

13:43

lower members Of course, yes,

13:45

that's what you need to be doing here. You

13:47

got grocery and Serena at one You got Kathy

13:50

and Susan at one. Maybe not grocery

13:52

and Serena I

13:54

would I would say Yeah

13:57

at this point charity and darlin. It's all

13:59

golden. It's all Golden and Charity and Dotten.

14:01

I think that's it. Charity and Dotten. And

14:03

now for our next one, you do Joey

14:05

and his ring winner, which I'm still stressing

14:07

about every day. Exactly. But

14:10

they did it well here. Don't get me

14:12

wrong. This is one of the best watch

14:14

party segments we've ever seen, in my opinion.

14:17

The first party is UCLA or USC, maybe.

14:20

We get a safe word discussion. Chi Omega.

14:23

It is UCLA-Chi-O. And

14:26

is that the same one Sean Lowe went to, Goldini

14:28

in season 17? Did he also go to

14:30

Chi-O? I don't know.

14:35

No. I'm just Googling. Come

14:37

back. They discuss their

14:39

safe words. Leslie Murphy is a Bachelor

14:42

alumna and Chi Omega. Pineapple

14:44

and Platypus. And

14:46

we see all the Chi-O girls, love

14:48

level Joey. They have necklaces on their

14:50

face. It's so smart. No one

14:53

is truly surprised. It's so smart. I know that they've

14:55

done this before. Is it Goldini's sorority? I'm sure it

14:57

was. I'm sure they go to the same one every

14:59

time. I couldn't find that information. But I would bet

15:01

money that it is. I

15:04

watched in my sorority. Oh, wow. In

15:06

a big room. It's very smart. With a lot of

15:09

women. I'm simply saying you

15:11

must do a sorority every year to

15:13

always show us that the youth are

15:16

watching. The next generation is coming into

15:18

this game. Here's proof positive. I'm

15:20

not kidding. That's what this conveys. That's

15:22

the message. These are your future players.

15:25

Future players, future fans, of course. They're

15:27

training in sororities to come into this

15:29

game. Brilliant. You have to do it

15:32

every time. Unfortunately, Joey's

15:34

had enough. He uses his safe word, pineapple.

15:36

He wants some pineapple on his pizza. And

15:38

they're out of there. Come on, dude. I

15:40

got your back. That's funny. I agree. I

15:42

thought this worked. And it implies

15:45

consent that Sean Lowe didn't get. That's

15:47

true. Although Joey didn't

15:49

get consent for his shirtless scenes. He was forced.

15:52

Forced nudity plays. Well, so did Joey get that.

15:54

Just not at the Kai Omega house. He got

15:56

it from the producers this week. They,

15:59

in fact, don't let him. him wear a shirt for much

16:01

of the show, much of the telecast, but

16:03

on the party bus back, at least

16:05

it's not hosing down on a plane.

16:08

Well, that's true. God damn. Different

16:11

time. Pre pandemic. Uh, we've all learned

16:13

in the party bus on the way

16:15

to the next watch party. We get

16:17

Joey's first, I love it of the

16:19

episode. Then we show up

16:21

to watch party number two. And this is an

16:23

important fucking watch party. They're in

16:25

a common room of a high end

16:27

apartment building. Maybe it's a rooftop lounge.

16:29

It seems like we see a couple

16:31

of men in the background. Our first

16:34

men watchers here, little older crowd. They

16:36

have ping pong set up. They've got

16:38

a pool here. Uh, they're

16:40

having some mixed drinks. Maybe

16:42

someone older in their late twenties

16:45

could relate to them. Exactly.

16:47

Millennials too. See, look, it's fun

16:49

for all ages. They

16:51

have a poster with the eliminated women and

16:53

their faces are scratched out. They make some

16:55

mention of that. And then DLP and Joey

16:57

meet up with some of these men watchers,

16:59

a group of guys. And DLP

17:02

says, you know, a lot more dudes are

17:04

watching than are willing to admit. We even

17:07

got guys who watch this show. That's just

17:09

for what? Me? Who else is

17:11

watching the show? That's a dude. I hated

17:13

this. You hated it. I hated this line.

17:16

Which one guys even watch it? I

17:18

feel like this is like guys or you've

17:20

got a lot more watching bachelor than

17:22

admit in public. So it's basically to

17:24

me, saying guilty pleasure. Guys are

17:27

ashamed to watch the show and

17:29

I don't think that they should be. No, I

17:31

agree with you. All right. You've won me over. I

17:33

thought it was still a great moment, but

17:35

they watch something. That's the same level of

17:37

sport as this. Yeah. I totally agree. Uh,

17:40

but what it does give us is one

17:43

guy here says,

17:45

and we see text on screen.

17:48

I do dabble in the bachelor and

17:51

this bachelor dabbler was my

17:53

poor. Hey

18:00

Jorge Jorge! More.

18:03

Rain know. Bystander.

18:06

Oh of though. We.

18:14

Sir. I so love you. I

18:16

started out of a bash for dab

18:18

were myself and now I'm living in

18:21

the bottom of the pit. Twenty Four

18:23

Seven, Warmer doppler. Long time listener. No

18:25

hope of escape. And we're

18:27

going to see you down here one day.

18:29

Ah, that's for sure. And honestly, I still

18:31

kind of do use this phrase every once

18:33

in awhile. if I want to despise somebody,

18:35

gets me in a party, say. You dabble

18:37

in the bachelor. Not not literally, but I'll

18:39

be like, oh yea, I watched the Bachelor Sometimes if

18:42

I'm just like I can't if I turns the the

18:44

switch now it's like it's the wrong time to do

18:46

this. You know what I mean. You're at a funeral

18:48

or something, so I can't say that. For.

18:50

Him. I. Watch the

18:52

that. Oh yeah, I watched the Bachelor. Yeah

18:54

I can say that. Know it's very hard

18:56

to do. Uyghurs eyes I lead with the

18:59

Bachelor has taken over my life. If I

19:01

hear a bachelor conversations going on in, I'm

19:03

not in it. It's It's very hard to

19:05

not just go like oh, are you talking

19:07

about the Bachelor Us: It's very hard to

19:09

not do that Us: And if somebody asked

19:11

me directly like of, I watched the Bachelor

19:13

It's virtually impossible. But again, there are some

19:15

circumstances that I feel like I can still

19:17

override it if I have to. This is

19:19

come of it assumes. Know.

19:22

It hasn't but you know your and

19:24

like some business meeting or some shit

19:26

that has nothing to do with the

19:28

bachelor, it's a hard segue to make.

19:30

Sometimes that might derail the entire goal

19:32

of whatever the conversation with. Anything. Of

19:34

segways, you Joey says something

19:36

that I really. Loved! Ah

19:38

a line here which is. I'm

19:41

just a normal guy that's an

19:43

interesting sits. Got put in an

19:45

interesting situation. just totally normal guy greatest

19:47

gays player we probably ever seen he's

19:49

at least on line dyke level a

19:51

different style of game though lion dykes

19:53

case play was piercing it was terrifying

19:55

back to front couldn't even look him

19:57

in the eyes on their one on

20:00

Here we have the opposite. It's warm. It's

20:02

inviting. So his gaze play is empathy.

20:05

It's empathy. He is eluding,

20:07

or he is emoting? Yeah.

20:11

Empathy. Sure. He's a black hole.

20:14

He just pulls you in. We then

20:16

see he's such

20:19

an empathetic king that he

20:21

is even bonding with a

20:23

little creature. And

20:27

this little dog named Ella

20:29

the dog licks

20:31

Joey's fingers and licks the

20:33

thumb that cleansed a million

20:35

tears. Oh my God. And

20:38

that's why this creature was my... Creature

20:46

of the wing. This creature, this

20:48

tiny dog... Well, this

20:50

dog's name Ella? Ella.

20:56

This tiny dog named Ella

21:00

was given a one-on-one scene with

21:02

the 28th bachelor Joey Grazie, in

21:05

which Ella received an

21:07

official rose in document.

21:10

This rose-receiving creature was my...

21:19

Creature of the wing. That's

21:26

hard to do. That's hard to

21:28

do. And it's a zero-pointer. No

21:30

one else got one at this whole cocktail party.

21:33

Yep. Hard to do. That's a singular rose, a

21:35

dog rose. I don't think we've ever seen another

21:37

dog get a rose. This is a watch party

21:39

dog rose. I'm sure we have. A dog? I'm

21:42

certain we've seen a dog get a rose. Shit.

21:44

I don't know about a dog. I could see a

21:46

horse. I mean, there were a lot of watch parties.

21:49

Did they make the gaucho give that horse a rose?

21:51

Probably. I

21:54

don't even want to look back on what they made

21:56

him do. It's going to make me feel too bad.

21:58

God, I wish we had that. Data creature roses.

22:00

I just feel like giving out the role.

22:03

I mean that's what they do at the football game It's

22:05

what they do Yeah,

22:07

we then get to portion two. Great

22:11

My name is Camila. Oh my

22:13

gosh Juan Pablo's daughter is on

22:16

American Idol I shit

22:18

my pants. I was like I scroll through

22:20

the commercials Not

22:22

literally, but you know what I mean. I scroll through the commercials

22:25

I don't really watch them But I'm looking

22:27

at like where it hits on the scrolling

22:29

and I see fucking Juan Pablo's face pop

22:31

up and I'm like Is

22:33

he at the women till all and

22:36

I had a rewound it and it was like

22:38

wait a minute American Idol What the fuck is

22:40

going on is legacy? It's insane. I know I

22:43

was like, why did they what is? Like

22:46

I literally thought we were about to see the

22:48

wildest fucking women tall in the history of the

22:50

show and I think we still Kind of did

22:52

honestly, but I'm just like effort I saw him

22:54

and then I rewound and I was like wait

22:56

a minute That's his little daughter and there was

22:58

a rose. I want to say in that scene

23:00

She's a full fucking adult now, dude, and

23:02

he hits on the judge

23:05

Yeah, he's saying something about that. I don't know it told

23:08

a whole story about him Yeah they're gonna

23:10

they're gonna drag that out and it's like

23:12

Fascinating that it's him and it's

23:14

like as bad as ABC and stuff

23:16

has treated him during his season and think what

23:18

you will about him Or whatever the cut they

23:20

put together was not nice to that guy and

23:23

now however many years later They're like, oh, but

23:25

yeah, your daughter could try out an American Idol.

23:27

That's how we'll make it, right? When

23:32

you put it like that it sounds horrible It's

23:36

just rough poor one Pablo, but yeah, so

23:38

he's back on our TV screens and Will

23:42

he be telling his daughter? I've never watched American Idol.

23:44

Do you think his daughter makes it through or so?

23:46

You're gonna be like, it's okay. It's okay Absolutely.

23:49

They have to I don't

23:51

know if they do. I think it could be a gentle

23:53

letdown You have some real talent come

23:55

back next year, you know, we're not looking

23:57

for singers like that. Oh Oh

24:00

my God, Claire Carley comes out. Katy

24:05

Perry stands up and is like, actually I'm gonna have somebody take

24:07

my place. So, Charlie. We

24:10

get to the chairs finally. We

24:12

get the back row. We

24:14

get the sisters, Lauren and Allison.

24:17

What is Lauren tonguing in

24:19

this? She eats a piece

24:21

of red velvet cake. Whipped cream? It's

24:24

red, it's the first player that they

24:26

introduce has a fucking producer given prop

24:28

that relates back to her joke. I

24:31

thought it was a bowl of whipped

24:33

cream. No, it was like a hunk,

24:36

like a slab of red velvet cake. And

24:38

she takes a finger of icing and puts

24:40

it in her mouth. First fucking player out

24:42

the gate they gave a goddamn prop to.

24:45

Immediately I'm like, okay, this is some

24:47

other shit. They're already

24:49

kind of trying to mix in. It's almost like

24:51

a little paradise sprinkling. It's like that would be

24:53

her paradise entry video. You know? Ooh,

24:56

maybe this is a good sign. Maybe they're cutting that part.

24:59

They're not. It means they're leaning heavily into

25:02

it. So producers, if you're listening, you gotta

25:04

listen to our How to Save Paradise episode.

25:06

Oh, you know what else they're leaning into?

25:10

I'm talking about poop. Yep, because you're

25:12

doing some stuff here that's like, we

25:15

can't have this stuff anymore. We'll

25:17

get to it in the How to Save Paradise

25:19

episode. Please, please listen to that producers. And please,

25:22

please just listen. That's all we ask. But

25:26

yeah, we get Lauren here eating the red

25:28

velvet cake. Her sister, Alison, Edwina Starr, Evelyn

25:30

Taylor, Caitlyn Autumn, who holds up a fucking

25:32

sausage. She has a prop too. Mm-hmm,

25:35

dance monkey. What she's most

25:37

known for. Yeah, when these players get flown out,

25:40

does not told to them before they say, yeah, I'll

25:42

show up to them until all. You can deny doing

25:44

this if you want. You have to be a clown

25:46

though. Yeah, but they're not gonna tell you that on

25:49

the phone. They're gonna get you out here. They're gonna

25:51

get your hair and your makeup done and put you

25:53

in the dress. And then five minutes

25:55

before you walk out there, they're gonna be like, oh,

25:58

hold up this sausage when we say your name. Now

26:00

get out there and that's it and you're fucking

26:03

doing it and you're on TV holding up a fucking

26:05

sausage next to your head That's

26:08

how it goes and they are

26:10

told paradise may still be happening

26:13

So work with us here. Yeah, this is your

26:15

audition for paradise. Let's see how you are with

26:17

prop Yep, it's it's basically these tell-alls are like

26:20

we're gonna get you to do and say some

26:22

shit. Are you gonna do it and say it?

26:25

Then we get Kelsey T Leia

26:27

Sydney Jess Medina Lexi Jen

26:29

and Maria the crowd goes fucking

26:31

crazy for Maria

26:34

They're they're cutting to people

26:36

literally jumping out of their seats when they

26:38

hear her name That's what's that's what's in

26:40

the edit. It gets the biggest cheers It's

26:44

it's very cute and she's like, oh, I love

26:46

you guys and we see a bunch of Maria

26:48

signs and DLP comments on it He says did

26:50

you invite all your friends and family and she

26:53

goes they are my friends and family I'm like

26:56

her improv is so good. That was almost my

26:58

play of game almost my play

27:00

the game She loved level for the

27:02

fucking audience twice in that she's so

27:04

sharp. She's unbelievable Her acumen for reality

27:06

television is off the fucking charts Producers

27:09

really she gotta be the bachelorette.

27:11

She has to be the bachelorette.

27:13

That's the only choice She was doing

27:15

things this whole episode like holding on

27:18

to her chair and standing up and

27:20

yes, it was great She is a

27:22

reality TV Superstar from this

27:24

edit it's hard for me to think that

27:26

she's not the bachelorette it the seam to

27:29

side with her It seemed

27:31

like it. Yep, it did but it

27:33

was like but they also Cuz

27:35

the ascension of another yes, I know. I'm

27:38

very mixed about whether this was a crown

27:40

edit or not We'll get

27:42

to all the points of it. But like this

27:44

moment I was like, it's a crown edit Yeah,

27:46

when she's like I love the audience and I'm

27:48

part of the audience and then Jen gets our

27:50

first question here No,

27:53

Maria did no, sorry. Yeah, Maria

27:55

got the first question. What was it about

27:57

Joey? He'll peace preference. What do we call it?

28:00

Dark Lord's preference? Yeah, I think the Dark

28:02

Lord's preference is the first question in the

28:05

tell all. And it usually always about how hot Joey

28:07

was. What was it like when you first saw him?

28:09

It's that type of question. And it's to a favorite.

28:12

Yeah, and so he

28:14

asks Maria here, what about Joey Maid,

28:16

you come all the way from Toronto to meet him

28:18

and she says he's hot. Oh yeah,

28:20

and she loves his personality and he's a stand up

28:22

guy. Jen then gets, what is it like to see

28:24

everyone again? She says it's great to be back with

28:27

the girls who made some great friendships with. So we

28:29

get the sister and play everything's great, right? Nope,

28:32

nope. Nope. DLP immediately

28:34

then says, there will be some friction.

28:37

And we get this friction reel,

28:39

which basically sets up all

28:42

of these kind of like crazy

28:45

things that happen. Evelyn's table jump is in this.

28:48

Autumn fucking biting the sausage

28:50

from the sausage wheels and this. We

28:53

see. You know what? Usually in

28:55

the tell alls, I don't like watching

28:57

the reels, the

29:00

footage we've already seen. And in this, I actually

29:02

enjoyed it. I watched them all.

29:04

I'm telling you, there's something else going on

29:06

here. The editing of it, the

29:08

selection of what you're putting in these

29:10

things to make them both fun and

29:12

kind of informational about like, yeah, let's

29:14

remind you about this beef that happened

29:16

between Maria and everybody. We see like

29:18

every really important moment in that. But

29:21

we also have Autumn fucking

29:23

biting a sausage out of the air on the

29:25

wheel of sausage in the same reel. So it

29:27

like puts you into like a fun mode in

29:29

the beginning with those couple of shots. Oh fuck,

29:31

remember this table jump? That was fucking insane. One

29:33

of the greatest plays we've ever seen on a

29:35

group date like that. Oh, remember when we

29:37

made them eat sausages off this wheel? Remember

29:39

how funny the show is? And then boom,

29:42

Leah gets the card, throws it in the

29:44

fire. We see the kisses in night one.

29:46

We see the elder Medina bullying accusation. We

29:48

get the escalation of the situation in Maria

29:50

and Sydney. We see the tattle, the

29:52

weird and dumb. We see the

29:55

forced girl chat with Maria and Sydney that leads

29:57

to the two on one. We see Maria color

29:59

a fucking vampire. We see the Grim

30:01

Reaper taking her bag Leia moves into

30:03

the primary rival spot along with Jess

30:05

calling her the B word And

30:08

we're back in the studio that real it

30:11

has fucking movement that real is going

30:13

on a goddamn roller coaster. I Mean

30:16

brilliantly cut usually these things are boring

30:18

as fuck and you're like, I don't

30:21

care They usually would give you like

30:23

maybe two or three shots from the

30:25

the rivalry. That's why I'm snacking. Yeah,

30:27

exactly Here they've just

30:29

done a brilliant job of Making

30:32

it fun immediately and then all the pertinent

30:34

points just boom boom boom boom boom boom

30:36

The whole story of the rivalry is told

30:38

not just the last two or three moments.

30:40

They tell you the whole thing It was

30:42

so well cut. I just really loved it

30:46

And we're back in the studio DOP starts at the

30:48

beginning He asked for a show of hands about who

30:50

would have held on to the card Lauren

30:52

Allison and weenest star Evelyn Taylor

30:55

autumn Kelsey T and Jess all

30:57

raised their hands hands down Caitlin

30:59

Maria Jen Mostly back row Lexi

31:01

Medina Sydney and life Thought

31:04

that was interesting a little bit only one person

31:06

in the front row raised their hands. Yes.

31:08

Um, I think that

31:10

I Don't know why they

31:12

put this question in here Exactly if they were like

31:14

taking some kind of poll to maybe do something like

31:16

that again Don't do anything like that again, unless

31:19

it's elevated There is some way to do this

31:21

to do the we're gonna send somebody

31:24

in with something. There is a way to

31:26

do it It's just not this you have

31:28

to go home if you don't use this

31:30

pie hometowns Yeah, this allows you to kill

31:32

and consume one of your fellow players We

31:36

then see Leia explains that she knew it

31:38

wasn't right to use the card You get

31:40

to switch chairs with someone at the women

31:42

tell all who that would put them in

31:44

the back row Yeah,

31:46

it's just a really Minutia

31:50

That would be pretty good. Yeah, you get to

31:52

have one sign made about you at the women tell all

31:55

But we make it and we determine what it says So

31:58

anyway Leia here explains that she

32:00

knew that it wasn't right to use the

32:02

card, she burned it, so no one had

32:04

to worry about it. This is a

32:06

straight second audience play, Maria, uh uh

32:08

uh, not letting you off that easy. Maria

32:10

says a lot of people respected the play,

32:13

the burning of the card, but saying it's

32:15

for the second audience, not believable, and that's

32:17

where the problem is. Fucking

32:20

immediately. We are into

32:22

this shit. This is like in

32:24

a pro wrestling match, when they just shoot in

32:26

and they don't even square off. Right

32:29

at it. There's no warm up. There's

32:31

no time to waste. Our warm up was

32:33

the sausage reel. Yes. Now-

32:35

Enjoy that point five seconds. It's also, um,

32:38

good to know. It seems

32:40

like the players are doing this, but this

32:42

is also in the edit. We have no

32:44

idea how much time has actually passed between

32:46

that reel and this, or if there were

32:49

things said or not. Who actually got hot

32:51

seeds. Yeah, the construction of this tell all

32:53

was, to me, maybe the

32:55

highlight of it. The way it was cut.

32:57

So much good play. It was fascinating. But

32:59

the way it's presented, um, I tell you

33:01

what, the decision of where

33:03

to put the Rachel stuff

33:05

was interesting to me. Absolutely. Oh

33:08

my God. Because often they would start

33:10

this episode with the part that you've

33:12

just left off rather than

33:15

have the reunion first. It built

33:17

this whole episode built to more

33:19

and more important moments. And it's

33:21

starting with a fantastically important moment

33:23

right here, which leads to this

33:25

entire living of the

33:27

rivalry. And it just goes back and forth.

33:29

But I agree with you putting Rachel where

33:31

they put Rachel, putting the end, the final,

33:33

even the teaser was done so well. God

33:36

damn it. This episode was, it was

33:38

one of my favorite tells of all time, hands

33:40

down, hands down. So let's

33:42

continue. I'm so sorry. Well, it was

33:45

part of why I thought they were

33:47

still trying to give crown to Maria

33:49

was because of the ordering of

33:51

this, because in this way you don't

33:54

have Rachel out there

33:56

the whole time able to able

33:58

to talk, give her perspective. Yeah,

34:00

you just keep her in a

34:03

room until the end. No,

34:05

I agree. I agree her speech I mean

34:07

we'll get to it but I just thought

34:09

Maria was like she jumps

34:11

into it with an accusation and it does

34:13

seem like her accusation ultimately is like Supported

34:16

by the edit by enough other

34:19

players by the fourth audience, but

34:21

still she's accusing someone of something

34:23

Bachelors don't usually do that Bachelors don't

34:25

usually like they might have to make

34:28

one or two defenses of something but

34:30

they don't usually go on the attack

34:32

against anybody and I Question

34:34

like why they would have left that in the

34:36

edit if she's the bachelorette because it's like unless

34:39

they're saying Yeah, this is like what

34:41

kind of a player she is. Yeah

34:43

the promo it has her saying saying

34:46

you're annoying Yes, exactly. That's

34:48

not a crown edit. It

34:50

doesn't feel like it but Also,

34:53

it's Maria. She would be a different

34:55

type of bachelorette. Yeah, you know

34:59

So maybe it's like okay to keep it in it

35:01

Just doesn't feel like that's the way they're going with

35:03

it to me unless they really are like fuck it

35:05

We can make someone like this bachelorette show them what

35:07

they are. I feel like it's giving her

35:10

the justified warrior Edit

35:12

and okay. Okay. Yeah, it could

35:14

be like she's going on the attack, but she's

35:17

ultimately the quote-unquote

35:19

winner, yeah and makes

35:22

both Leia and Sydney like apologize,

35:24

I mean they all apologize but

35:28

I mean Yeah,

35:31

we'll get it to it. I know. Oh

35:34

my god. It was such a good tell-all. I know

35:37

wait we have some people apologize it

35:39

going back and forth and Maria

35:42

describes when she came back from the two-on-one she

35:45

walked into the most silent room I've ever walked

35:47

into no one was happy for me No one

35:49

had a smile on their face and Medina looked

35:51

at me and said you look beautiful and

35:53

this is her argument for why

35:57

It's okay that Dina

36:00

was defending her even though she said she had

36:02

been friends with Sydney. Yeah,

36:05

it gets very convoluted about like, well no, then this

36:07

happened and then this happened and I felt this way

36:09

about that so then you felt this way about that

36:11

and you were unjustified and calling me this and that

36:13

and it basically like just to condense it all down.

36:16

Maria takes on Sydney and Leia

36:18

basically head to head. And Jess.

36:21

And Jess, all of them for whatever

36:24

type of way they felt about her and she winds up

36:26

winning this. You know, it gets

36:29

down to a point. Yeah, even brings up

36:31

the G word drops a G bomb in there.

36:34

Yeah, drops a G bomb. And she does

36:36

it dramatically. I will say, Leah is a

36:38

very entertaining villain. Absolutely. The way

36:40

she drops the send, she's like, well,

36:43

I don't want to feel and then she pauses.

36:45

She knows what she's going to do. Dasslet.

36:48

And this is where Maria holds on to her chair. Yeah.

36:51

And the drama and incredible. And

36:55

Maria right back at her. Did you

36:57

take a class with Sydney on gasoline? It's

36:59

unbelievable. Like nobody's backing down and DLP has

37:02

to jump in and be like,

37:04

we need a short breather. They go to a commercial.

37:06

And as we start, Leah produces tears and

37:09

does a walk off. Yeah. As

37:11

we're starting to go to that commercial, she literally

37:13

walks off set and we see a producer taking

37:15

her into the darkness. The first

37:17

real portion here has concluded no

37:20

fantasy sweet revelations. And

37:24

also in prior times, they would lock you

37:26

in with that first 15 minutes of fantasy

37:28

sweet. And then they would

37:30

do the tell all. This is in my opinion, as soon

37:33

as this portion ended, I was like, fuck, we're

37:35

not going to get the fantasy sweet until near the end. Fucking

37:38

brilliant. That's what we need to

37:40

see. All this other shit is just kind of like

37:42

decoration, even though it was great. The tell alls are

37:44

sometimes ignored because it's like if you're watching the season,

37:47

you don't really care about that. I just want to

37:49

see who wins the fantasy suites or whatever. Do

37:51

you think the decision has to do with what

37:53

people want to see the most upfront? You mean?

37:56

Yeah. Like whether you

37:58

put the fantasy sweet stuff at the. beginning or

38:00

the end of the episode? No,

38:02

I think it was just a misguided kind

38:04

of decision when they

38:06

used to do it in the beginning. I

38:08

think they didn't quite understand that like that's the meat,

38:11

that's the main course. Keep that around

38:13

till the end. I saw

38:16

it as an attack on Rachel. Interesting.

38:18

Because fewer people are gonna be watching that

38:20

and wanting her to be the Bachelorette from

38:22

watching it. Interesting. I thought they put it

38:24

where they put it because it was like

38:27

there was a build in my opinion. And not

38:29

giving her the screen time of the rest of

38:31

the episode to be with the other players. Wait,

38:34

she left? Rachel did?

38:36

No, but she wasn't in... usually they

38:38

would show that part, they would welcome

38:40

back the third-place person, and then they would be

38:42

with the whole cast answering all the

38:44

questions the whole time. Hmm, interesting.

38:47

I thought they gave Rachel the most important screen

38:49

time of the night. We'll get to

38:52

it. We'll get to it. So essentially

38:54

we then go into portion three. We

38:57

come back in on. Leia is still

38:59

tearsing to Lexi, who's now STCOing her

39:01

backstage, and Leia maintains that this is

39:03

not what happened in the show. Lexi

39:05

tells her it's gonna be over soon,

39:07

she says. She shouldn't let

39:10

it get to her. She says it's gonna

39:12

be over soon. Like you

39:14

have to survive the tell-all a little

39:16

bit. It's a crucible of fucking who

39:18

can really win these fights. And it

39:21

was just a great little line they kept in. I

39:24

loved it. Leia comes back to the set. Maria comes

39:26

over to hug it out and says it's okay. Susan

39:29

yells from the crowd, we love you!

39:31

It's sisterhood incarnate.

39:35

And this cast is really delivering on that, I

39:37

felt. Sydney tells her

39:39

you have every right to feel the way you

39:41

do, and then we hear the producer again, we

39:43

are good to go in

39:45

five, four, and we're back. Again,

39:48

the inclusion of the producers. It's great. Breaking that

39:50

fourth wall, letting us know it's a show that

39:53

these are not...don't get mad

39:55

at these people, they're on a show. That's essentially what I

39:57

took it to be, you know what I mean? Like

40:00

this is an entertaining show. Mm hmm. I

40:03

it just feels more modern to me. Like

40:05

it's not pretending to be something. Yes,

40:07

I agree. We see

40:10

Medina. We

40:13

bring up the age thing. She

40:15

says that it was really hurting and

40:18

it pissed her off that it became this

40:20

bigger thing around the house. And

40:24

she says she didn't want to jump in

40:26

with them because it was like two pit

40:28

bulls fighting. I feel like this is

40:30

a harmful stereotype of pit bulls. And

40:34

then Sydney makes

40:36

this face in

40:40

response. It's a

40:42

frowny face and it was my

40:44

face. It's

40:53

great. It's beautiful. Yeah,

40:55

I agree. It looks like

40:57

an upside down rainbow. Yeah,

41:00

it's absolutely brilliant. We see Star

41:03

getting in here some amateur hosting

41:05

duties, asking Medea about how

41:07

her insecurities turn into bullying. She

41:11

says you shouldn't have gotten in the middle.

41:13

Medina maintains she's not responsible for the other

41:15

players actions. Sydney then jumps in. She

41:18

says when she heard Medina was bullied, she felt

41:20

compelled to jump in for her friend. That's all

41:22

it was. Then Edwina jumps in and maintains, no,

41:24

no, no, that was not what it was. You

41:26

never liked Maria. It had nothing to do with

41:28

the age and the Medina thing. You just didn't

41:30

like Maria. I observe everything in

41:33

the house. From the start. Yeah, from the start,

41:35

she says. And Sydney tries to say

41:37

something back and she's like, don't try to stop

41:39

me from saying what I feel. Then

41:42

she says something that gets blurred out. We

41:44

see, well, one of these lines is that

41:47

she says we speak different languages

41:49

and Maria says, yeah, I

41:52

speak the truth and you speak lies. Bing,

41:54

bam, boom. Yeah, that's right

41:56

after this Edwina thing. But

41:58

there's a shot of Edwina saying. something

42:00

and they blur her mouth out. Oh.

42:03

Did you not see this? Oh I didn't see that. She

42:05

says something at the end. She's like, I

42:08

observe everything in the house so don't try to stop

42:10

me from saying what I feel. And then she, it's

42:12

a close up of her face, she turns her head,

42:14

says something and there's no audio and her mouth is

42:16

blurred out. So I have no idea. But it

42:19

gets big applause and then that Sydney thing happens

42:21

where she's like we communicate in different ways. Maria

42:23

throws out her one line, her locked and loaded.

42:25

Do you think it was a bee bomb? Maybe.

42:27

I don't

42:30

know. But uh. Great one liner though.

42:32

I agree. We

42:34

then get this quick back and forth where

42:37

they're talking about Maria interrupting Jess while

42:39

Maria's interrupting her. God that was insane

42:42

and she does it multiple times. That's

42:44

what I'm saying. That's not bachelorette.

42:46

That's not crown. But I don't think

42:48

it was, I think if they

42:51

were trying to throw it, it

42:53

would have been worse. I don't know

42:55

because like if you just cut off the first part of this

42:57

conversation where Maria does interrupt her a couple of times, Jess

43:01

doesn't really get started what she's saying for

43:04

a little later anyway. You can cut in much

43:06

later on that. Lose the first part where Maria

43:08

interrupts her twice and you still get the exact

43:10

same content. You know what

43:12

I mean? You get the same argument being

43:15

had. But they're keeping that shit in. It

43:17

is funny. Don't get me wrong. But

43:20

they kept it in. You didn't

43:22

have to there. So in

43:25

my mind it's not a crown

43:27

in it unless they're doing something that I

43:29

think is like light years ahead of where

43:31

they actually are which is understanding that you

43:33

can present bachelorettes in different ways. I

43:37

guess that's my hope is that I

43:39

don't think they're there yet. Okay. Well

43:42

we'll see. We will. I agree.

43:44

Maria is doing such good

43:47

silent work here. She's raising her

43:49

hand. She's doing a circle applause

43:52

to try to not interrupt. And

43:54

we see Lexi

43:57

defends Maria and Wina defends.

44:00

friends Maria and

44:03

DLP ends this he says it's only two hours

44:05

and we're gonna get we get this

44:07

weird ADR to him saying Maria is

44:09

gonna be later after Lexi in the

44:11

first hot seat I thought that was

44:13

interesting yeah they definitely put in some

44:17

like were these hot seats shown out of order

44:19

perhaps I

44:22

think maybe I thought it was also

44:24

like we know you're here for Maria yeah

44:27

like maybe Maria's hot seat was

44:29

first in the shooting hmm

44:32

I'm not sure but they do a good job of

44:35

however they ordered things I mean and look yeah you

44:37

know we know they are cutting things out of order

44:39

we'll get to when we're back on the document that

44:41

rose ceremony was like wait a minute why is a

44:44

rose there didn't he just give out all

44:46

the roses oh no you

44:48

can see the rose the final rose

44:50

ceremony order is different Daisy

44:52

gets the first rose but not in

44:54

real life Kelsey did oh in the

44:56

last episode yeah yeah I thought

44:58

you were saying in the promo um

45:01

we get this first Lexi heartbreak

45:03

hot seat and heartbreak

45:06

real and

45:08

we we hit

45:10

her endometriosis PTC

45:14

and basically about how

45:16

it's hard to leave but she had to

45:18

because they were on such different timelines and

45:21

she loved how Joey

45:23

responded to it and felt heard and not

45:25

judged like other people in the past

45:29

kind of hitting this heartbreak PTC I

45:32

literally thought this was her

45:34

hot seat was gonna be my play of the game

45:37

when she did this because I was like this

45:39

is a bachelorette edit for sure

45:41

I agree it definitely

45:43

is and I think

45:45

she is probably I don't know I

45:48

really thought everybody who was on stage

45:50

tonight other than Maria had

45:52

a better shot at it than she did Wow

45:54

that's from just from the edits you know I

45:56

don't think so but like

45:59

Lexi's edit Rachel's edit, they were

46:01

just... They showed so many

46:03

Maria signs. Crap, I know, but

46:05

it's like, I don't know. God,

46:07

if I'm wrong, if they really are like turning

46:09

the corner this fucking hard, we

46:12

are about to be in for the

46:14

best era of this show that has

46:16

ever fucking existed. I'm manifesting it. I

46:18

think it can happen. Jesus. I mean,

46:21

after tonight's edit, if they... if Maria

46:23

is Bachelorette, you better

46:25

hold on to your fucking hat. Did you

46:27

shut your pants? I already did, just even

46:29

thinking about this. That's gonna be the best

46:31

season of The Bachelor or Bachelorette or Golden

46:34

or Listen to Your Heart or fucking

46:37

Love is Blind, anything. I'll start throwing

46:39

another goddamn Survivor, Big Brother. It's gonna

46:41

be the best season of a reality

46:43

TV show you have ever seen in

46:45

your fucking life. Put that in your

46:47

promo. Who,

46:50

me? I don't

46:52

work on the show, unfortunately. Shitting part, but... Why?

46:55

They'd love that. They'd be like, he gets it.

46:58

Hey! You're right. Actually, then they'd pick it up. He's

47:01

like, oh, perfect. We have something for this. So

47:03

at the end of this Lexi edit, too, we

47:05

get Susan giving tears from the audience and a

47:07

Golden admiration play

47:10

here. Golden tears, empathetic

47:12

godmother. The O.P. asks Lexi what's next for

47:14

her. She says she's ready

47:16

to meet her person. Grazie set this

47:18

high bar, and D.O.P. says we're excited.

47:20

Standing O. Standing O for Lexi as well.

47:24

Yeah, it gets a standing ovation from the entire audience and all

47:26

the players. Unreal. Have

47:28

we seen that ever on a tell-all? Did Rachel

47:30

Lindsay get one when she did the anti-bullying

47:32

message? I'm sure. Oh,

47:35

god. Remember that? I

47:38

hope she got a Standing O, because that's like

47:40

one of the most important reunions.

47:42

Becca Kufrin probably got one. That

47:45

wasn't after the final rose, though. I

47:47

just don't remember seeing one. It probably has happened, I

47:49

think you're right, but like, this was

47:51

memorable to me. First hot seat out of the

47:53

gate. What about

47:56

the D.O.H. Mom slideshow? Oh,

47:59

god. Sorry, I knew it was gonna

48:01

hurt you. We're gonna see one of

48:03

those eventually for DLP. He's gonna get a fucking

48:05

slideshow on like episode or season 50 or something.

48:09

25 years from now. How dare you? He

48:11

is going to live forever. I

48:14

agree. And be the Dark Lord. Uh,

48:17

we see, oh, by the

48:19

way, I neglected to mention one

48:21

of my favorite moments in this

48:23

episode was at the, I

48:25

guess it was the sorority watch party when

48:27

DLP is dancing in the crowd

48:29

and he's just waving his arms,

48:32

having the time of his life with

48:34

Grazie. Yeah, it was

48:36

great. I loved it. I loved

48:38

that. I loved that. Hot

48:41

seat two is Jen. So,

48:47

uh, we get her real and then

48:49

she produces tears. DLP says, what makes you so emotional

48:51

while you're watching. That's always his first question. How is

48:53

the watch back? Why are you so emotional? Uh,

48:56

please let me make you cry some more. And

48:58

Jen talks about, uh, how good it was between

49:00

them and going into it. She wanted to leave it

49:02

all in the field. She did talk about

49:04

her past, her family, her previous relationships. She

49:07

did leave it all in the field, but

49:09

he didn't get there. And when she left,

49:11

she just sat there and wondered what happening,

49:13

what happened. They were so aligned in values

49:15

and their ideas of marriage. She could see

49:17

a future with him. What happened? Um, he

49:20

loved all my stupid shit. I said, yeah,

49:23

all the dumb moments they had

49:25

together. My stupid special moment. The

49:27

manatee painting. And, uh, she

49:29

said her heart getting crushed has been heartbreaking.

49:31

DLP says you're on the break of playoffs.

49:33

I mean, this is a bachelor edit as

49:35

well. I'm sorry, but that's what I'm saying.

49:38

She's that's what I'm saying. She's producing

49:40

tears. It is a beautiful,

49:42

like heartbreak reel that we

49:44

watch. Um, we're

49:47

getting this extra add on

49:49

to her PTC that, um,

49:53

she put her whole heart into the

49:56

experience and that the things with her

49:58

family, well, we'll get to that. But

50:01

it was, I mean, I got

50:03

chills. It was so good. I

50:05

agree. Her and Lexi, after this one, I

50:08

was like, fuck. You know, and it's

50:10

like, they're cut well, 100%. But

50:13

also, it's like, I don't want to discount

50:15

like the player's level of skill here. This

50:17

entire women till all is stacked with top

50:19

fours, in my opinion. Any one

50:22

of these players could have been in a top four.

50:24

Star maybe, I don't know. I don't know enough about her to be able to

50:26

say that. No. Any of them could

50:29

have been crowns. But everybody else, yeah, possibly.

50:31

They at least could have been final four. I

50:33

just don't think we've seen like a player pull

50:35

this stack, maybe ever. Oh my God. In my

50:37

mind, they were all final four. There

50:42

were more than four of them there. So that

50:44

can't be possible. That's a one.

50:49

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see her do this

56:15

heartbreak PTC when they talk about

56:18

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56:23

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56:26

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56:28

even after married sometimes. So she's never

56:30

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56:32

full adult, but she's coming into her own

56:34

and this whole process has been monumental

56:37

for their relationship. It's like literally

56:39

text books. The bachelor

56:41

fixed my family. Reader behavior.

56:43

Yeah. It's like

56:45

it goes way beyond just like helping me

56:48

fall in love. It fixed my life. It's

56:50

so brilliant in terms of the level of praising

56:53

in the process. It's like, Joey

56:55

was great and I know it didn't work out,

56:57

but this whole process, I'm talking to my dad

56:59

now. My family doesn't deal

57:01

with their emotions. It's like a fairy

57:04

tale come true. It's unbelievable.

57:07

And she even says that she's

57:09

been able to talk with her brother and gotten

57:11

closer with him. Her cousins. People are

57:13

just like reaching out in her family and

57:16

outside of it because they feel less alone because

57:18

she did this on TV basically. And

57:20

then DLP asked what's next for Jen and

57:22

she says she has a new sense of

57:24

hope for finding love and she feels ready

57:27

to find her person. She wants quote, an

57:29

undeniably ruthless love. This was an

57:31

interesting phrase. I

57:33

mean, I couldn't

57:37

help think about Tammy versus

57:40

my kenna regarding hashtags during

57:42

this part of like an

57:45

undeniably ruthless love. It

57:47

just doesn't sound improv.

57:50

I agree. I think this was

57:52

some kind of written line. It's an

57:55

interesting. It's an interesting. I

57:57

mean, I love to see it.

58:00

I love it ruthless love does

58:02

she have a clothing brand called ruthless love will

58:05

she make one she should and We

58:08

didn't see Lexi do one did we no

58:11

no tagline no and that's also

58:13

potentially a tagline That's you

58:15

know what you put on the bachelorette poster. That's

58:18

what I mean I feel like that was the

58:20

implication of this line. I do too. I'm looking

58:22

for an undeniably ruthless love I think it was

58:24

a crown play. Yeah, a hundred percent crown play

58:27

of her own making I don't think the producers gave

58:29

her this. Oh, no. No, I think she's a

58:31

I think she is a professional It

58:34

was great. We get the next portion

58:37

and We

58:40

get DLP calling out Maria We

58:43

don't cut to her in the chair. We're gonna see

58:45

the whole conversation we're

58:47

not losing one minute and we

58:50

see this heartbreak reel

58:52

for her and She's

58:55

talking about about your nation saying they're so nice. It's

58:57

crazy Hitting that fourth

58:59

audience deal pieces. I think it's fair to

59:01

say you're a lightning rod drama followed

59:03

you Okay, not looking good with

59:05

that question but uh Some

59:08

people think you brought it on yourself others

59:10

think you're misunderstood either way quite the journey

59:14

And we watch. Oh, here's where we watch the real. I

59:18

Said this is the only heartbreak reel. I

59:20

really have been focused on and It's

59:24

it's magical to watch this cut of

59:27

her of her season Yeah, everything she

59:29

was doing. I agree. You you really

59:31

remember like the incredible play she

59:33

put in really This is in

59:35

my opinion Every once in a

59:37

while you have one of these players who comes in that

59:39

will change like what's even possible in the game She

59:42

is one of those like a Corinne She

59:44

is a player like that who has turned

59:46

in a season that like we just haven't

59:48

really seen something like this before We

59:50

certainly haven't seen this level of like being able

59:53

to be both a villain and a hero,

59:56

you know when we have Tina fabulous.

59:58

Yeah Tina Fabulous with like

1:00:00

this. I agree with you. Courtney

1:00:02

Robertson was a little something like this. A

1:00:04

different style though. She

1:00:06

wasn't as chaotic in my opinion, but

1:00:08

had a similar kind of second

1:00:11

audience game where it was like people didn't like her

1:00:13

for real on that show, but somehow she rode with

1:00:15

a little bit of a villain edit all the way

1:00:17

to the end. And so there's a

1:00:19

little sprinkle of that in Maria, I feel like. But

1:00:23

yeah, it's really incredible. It's like a highlight

1:00:25

reel of just one of the best seasons

1:00:27

that you've seen. Yeah, I loved it.

1:00:30

And those, I mean the

1:00:33

chemistry between her and Joey

1:00:35

when they're in that car and

1:00:37

he's just like, Oh, how you're

1:00:39

saying Joey? Like it feels so

1:00:42

much realer than what

1:00:44

we normally see on the show. And

1:00:47

we basically end it with her love level

1:00:49

three during our Hail Mary at that last

1:00:51

rose ceremony is her biggest regret. So

1:00:54

in my mind, this is a great setup

1:00:56

for a potential new season. Like I agree.

1:00:59

I didn't open up fast enough. I

1:01:01

I didn't give myself fully to the process. So

1:01:03

I was too late and it was timing. I

1:01:05

felt the exact same thing, but then what proceeds

1:01:07

to happen? I just don't feel that way. I

1:01:10

guess at the end of

1:01:12

it, you know, she's like it was in

1:01:14

Montreal when she first felt the LL three

1:01:16

when he trusted her versus these accusations against

1:01:18

her. And so it's already

1:01:20

like she's, she's not detaching from the

1:01:22

drama of the season. She's

1:01:24

now the first thing she's saying is like,

1:01:26

yep, everybody was talking me in the

1:01:28

house, but he believed me. That

1:01:31

is not in my opinion, a crown move again.

1:01:34

Like they can't necessarily edit that out. And

1:01:36

maybe they're presenting us with a different type

1:01:38

of crown. But generally speaking, the vibe for

1:01:40

the crown is like, I like that as

1:01:42

the tagline. What's it? A different type of

1:01:44

crown Maria. For real. Yes,

1:01:47

it is. But DLP

1:01:49

then says the rose you got meant, you got

1:01:51

a hometown. What was your dad's reaction? And Maria

1:01:53

says, there's a hit on Joey now. Hahaha. That's

1:01:55

a bachelorette move in my opinion. That was

1:01:58

hilarious. Yeah, that was great. It was

1:02:00

like lighthearted and it plays

1:02:02

into the edit that the dad got and all that

1:02:04

with the fucking Godfather music. And

1:02:06

then DOP says, why do you think Sydney had

1:02:08

such a negative impression of you? She doesn't know,

1:02:11

she says. She tried to talk to Sydney. She doesn't get it.

1:02:13

Then Sydney comes in. I pride myself on being honest. I

1:02:16

admit being annoying

1:02:18

and cringy basically. I

1:02:21

mean, that's what I'm saying. They all bowed

1:02:23

down to her feet during this. Yes, totally.

1:02:26

To admit that you're cringy? Yeah.

1:02:29

I know. They got her to do

1:02:31

it. We got a new cringe queen. They got her

1:02:34

to do it. And everyone said, she's like, everybody said

1:02:36

things they didn't mean. And

1:02:38

I don't blame you for anything you did. Moving

1:02:40

forward, I want it to

1:02:42

be more of a resolution oriented thing instead of

1:02:45

pointing the finger. Maria says she's

1:02:47

always going to protect her character, especially when

1:02:49

she's under attack. Maria then says she doesn't

1:02:51

condone or respect the hate that Sydney and

1:02:53

Leah are getting. That's not what she wanted

1:02:55

out of this. She wanted them all to

1:02:57

be good. This is a play that we

1:02:59

literally just saw Just Best All Do in

1:03:01

the Love is Blind season six reunion for

1:03:03

Jimmy and Chelsea. They're

1:03:05

all in kind of a group fight. And she says,

1:03:08

and by the way, all the people who are sending

1:03:10

them bad messages stop doing that. They

1:03:12

don't deserve it. This kind of like the winner of

1:03:14

these fights or the people who like are really turned

1:03:16

into villains. You're seeing

1:03:19

the victim go to bat for the

1:03:21

victims or the villains a lot now

1:03:24

in reality TV. And the general

1:03:26

tone of like leave us the fuck alone is

1:03:28

really starting to be expressed in an interesting way.

1:03:30

And the shows are allowing it. I

1:03:33

feel like the show is highlighting it.

1:03:36

And I love this. And Maria

1:03:39

saying that

1:03:42

she that she wishes that

1:03:44

they could get to know each other and

1:03:46

burying the hatchet and saying stop sending all

1:03:48

the hate. That

1:03:51

was my. She's

1:04:04

burying both hatchets at once and

1:04:07

she is sparkling. She

1:04:10

is sparkling on screen. It

1:04:12

is like, it is so hard

1:04:14

for me to imagine that she's not the crown.

1:04:17

And I know it will be a different vibe

1:04:20

for sure, but

1:04:24

I believe they can do it. I believe they

1:04:26

can do it. This is what I'm

1:04:28

hoping will happen next

1:04:30

week. I'm hoping Daisy

1:04:34

is the first player. Self-eliminate.

1:04:39

And leaves him at the altar.

1:04:42

She prue it. Prue it.

1:04:45

Therefore, she cannot be bachelorette because

1:04:47

she didn't fully give into the process. It didn't work. She

1:04:49

went all the way to the end and then said, no, thank you. That

1:04:52

is not a very good look for a bachelorette.

1:04:54

I don't know if they've ever done that

1:04:57

before, given someone who makes that choice, the

1:04:59

bachelorette role. I mean, there's not that many people

1:05:01

who have done that. Yeah,

1:05:04

I agree. Susie. Mm

1:05:07

hmm. I just think it's like

1:05:09

so detrimental to the belief that you are down

1:05:11

with the process, that it would

1:05:13

be difficult to build a narrative around you like, okay, I

1:05:15

made it all the way to the

1:05:17

end of the other one, but he just wasn't the

1:05:19

right guy. I mean, they gave Womack a second season.

1:05:21

That was a different time. Come on. I

1:05:24

know, but I'm just saying there's precedent. Yeah,

1:05:26

maybe. I just feel like something like that can happen.

1:05:29

I don't know. We'll see. I

1:05:31

just think that show will have such high

1:05:33

ratings. I think

1:05:35

the show will go forever regardless, but I

1:05:37

think that you have to

1:05:39

ride this wave of Grazie. I

1:05:42

agree. And you really have to be, I

1:05:44

think. I believe the wave is Maria.

1:05:47

I think she is too. And I think you have to be

1:05:51

coherent enough to

1:05:53

realize that's the biggest star out

1:05:55

of this season. And

1:05:58

that's it. That matters now. You know, it's

1:06:00

not about like, will they be a good bachelorette or not?

1:06:03

The biggest star will give you the biggest

1:06:05

ratings and they may break down the luster

1:06:07

of bachelorette a little or do it in

1:06:09

a different way that's never been done before

1:06:11

to the tune of like getting in more

1:06:13

fights with people basically. It might be a

1:06:15

little more messy, you know what I mean?

1:06:18

But that would be incredible. To

1:06:20

the tune of like, yeah, you're going to

1:06:22

want to nail down all your tables, but

1:06:24

that's fine. Yes, exactly. It

1:06:26

is because that's like what you're up against.

1:06:29

Like what's the worst that happens? See Claire Crawley?

1:06:32

Yes. You need

1:06:34

like, here's what's happening. I'm just going to lay this

1:06:36

out with the third wave shit. We have precedent. People

1:06:38

are going to come into bachelor and love is

1:06:40

blind and whatever and look at that as a

1:06:42

springboard into the next tier of reality shows like

1:06:44

traders. And once you get up to that tier,

1:06:47

watch traders season two, if you haven't seen it,

1:06:49

uh, it's all includes corner right now. That

1:06:52

tier is like, there's not

1:06:54

a frame misused. It's all

1:06:56

beautiful, hilarious, astonishing, shocking. It's

1:06:58

all everything. Always the dark

1:07:00

Lord of that show is

1:07:02

wearing full on like Hollywood

1:07:04

level costume re in every

1:07:06

scene. There's no fucking around

1:07:08

at that level. And so it's like, and his

1:07:10

dog is as well. Yeah. And

1:07:13

it's all he has matching outfits. It's fucking unreal. So

1:07:15

I just think that it's like for bachelor for all

1:07:17

the shows, they're going to feed these shows as, which

1:07:20

is what all the first tier ones are. Now

1:07:23

you, you've got to have people that could

1:07:25

go to those shows and really tear shit up. And

1:07:27

Marie is that like, don't, I already want

1:07:30

to see Maria on traders season two. I just think

1:07:32

what's the worst that can happen. What's

1:07:34

the worst that could happen? Nothing.

1:07:37

I think it's the decision. I mean, we've talked about it

1:07:39

until we're blue in the face, but I think it's the

1:07:41

decision. You got it. You got to

1:07:43

make it her. And I just am like a little scared by

1:07:45

this edit is all, I guess. I don't think that she's like

1:07:47

totally out, but I just am like, this edit was like, I

1:07:49

was scared by the promo could have been done a little different.

1:07:53

The edit. Yeah. Um,

1:07:56

we get portion six,

1:07:58

DLP brings up. the

1:08:00

fantasy suites note and

1:08:02

we go back to fantasy suites

1:08:05

into Loom. Finally, now that

1:08:07

all the hatsets are buried, we can see

1:08:09

what happens. We get the security cameras. If

1:08:11

I, if I may bring up this point,

1:08:13

when we come back into this portion, DOP

1:08:15

is like, Joey's going to be joining us

1:08:17

shortly. And when he says Joey, we see

1:08:19

him pop up in a box in the bottom left

1:08:22

corner. He's playing ping pong and

1:08:24

he's not wearing a shirt. He

1:08:26

is shirtless playing ping pong in a

1:08:29

fucking box. And this was

1:08:31

my wowie moment of the week. I

1:08:34

get it. In the beginning, he's getting ready.

1:08:37

Great. Maybe he's in his dressing room without a shirt. I

1:08:39

missed all of these shots. What on earth?

1:08:42

That's interesting to me. I gotta go back. You should rewatch

1:08:44

the episode. You missed a lot. There's

1:08:48

literally a fucking box in the bottom

1:08:50

left corner. And the camera

1:08:53

is, I guess I'm never watching like the

1:08:55

little box. I'm watching like, Oh my God.

1:08:57

They threw his ass up there. He's

1:08:59

playing ping pong against somebody we can't

1:09:01

see off screen. I thought he was

1:09:03

playing tennis. No. In everything. He's

1:09:06

playing ping pong somewhere in like the

1:09:08

back, the bowels of the studio against

1:09:10

an unseen player and, uh, he

1:09:13

has on no fucking shirt. So they make this

1:09:15

guy go play ping pong shirt. It was, and

1:09:17

I'm like, it's too much. This takes away the

1:09:19

prestige. Even when he's just playing a producer. You're

1:09:21

giving me like a full edit in the middle

1:09:23

of the fucking episode for no reason. Unnecessary.

1:09:26

We see him get

1:09:29

the note and freak out. It's

1:09:31

giving Popeye in the finale with Hannah

1:09:34

and might not come. And

1:09:37

we, she he's

1:09:39

like, everything was great. And she

1:09:42

starts explaining that she made the promise that

1:09:44

they're going to share things that they're feeling.

1:09:46

And I don't ever want to blindside him

1:09:48

with my feelings. And we see Kelsey perform

1:09:50

this knock knock and we basically

1:09:53

get that the thing that she

1:09:55

wanted to tell him was that she missed

1:09:57

him when she doesn't see him. I

1:10:02

understand that the producers

1:10:05

probably like rewrote the note or like they

1:10:10

convinced her to do all of this wouldn't let

1:10:12

her put more stuff in

1:10:14

the note they convinced her to do

1:10:16

all of this this being the cliffhanger

1:10:20

was my wowie moment

1:10:23

of the week this was the only thing

1:10:25

for me that I was just like what are you doing why

1:10:27

would you do this to us I want to feel

1:10:29

like this yeah it was not

1:10:31

my wowie but Kelsey

1:10:35

being hoodwinked into doing this

1:10:37

producer manipulated a completely

1:10:40

unnecessary play was my error

1:10:44

of the game once

1:10:53

you're in the top three you can tell producers no there

1:10:56

ain't much they can do to you as

1:10:58

long as it's not like fuck you you could just be

1:11:00

like no I don't think I want to give them that

1:11:03

note but you could see it and all over ITMs leading

1:11:05

up to this they were fucking with her hardcore and they

1:11:07

were like just tell we need something so

1:11:10

could you you know say that the other

1:11:12

women are getting to you and they're trying to get

1:11:14

that going with her like oh god I don't know

1:11:16

if I can handle it the process at this point

1:11:18

and blah blah blah the building

1:11:20

up like this fake story and then

1:11:22

it culminates in a cop-out to make it seem

1:11:25

like it might be her or Rachel going

1:11:27

home yes it seemed like it was like a

1:11:29

cheap thing for that yes exactly and

1:11:31

that is what is unnecessary

1:11:33

we don't care if

1:11:36

there's like twists and turns in it we want

1:11:38

to see what happens we want to see the

1:11:40

game played the twists and turns are gonna be

1:11:42

there you're gonna get Maria and Sydney fighting all

1:11:44

the way through the goddamn season we don't need

1:11:46

it here I don't like them doing this to Joey

1:11:49

Joey has already given them so much I

1:11:51

know that too he's one of your best

1:11:53

leads and maybe you can't see it

1:11:55

while you're shooting maybe you have to wait until you get in the

1:11:57

edit but you should be able to see it while you're shooting And

1:12:00

to do this to him at the

1:12:02

very end? Yes, you're looking into those

1:12:04

peepers directly. This is bad. This is

1:12:07

like, you can't fuck with

1:12:09

a guy like this. He's given you, these

1:12:11

ratings are insane. You owe this man so

1:12:13

much for turning this fucking ship around. And

1:12:16

you're responsible too, producers and casting producers and

1:12:18

shit for sure. But like, he's carrying the

1:12:20

weight of the shit on his back. Every

1:12:23

lead does. All bachelors and bachelorettes, they carry

1:12:25

the seasons. And this guy's fucking

1:12:27

carrying it further and faster than anybody has

1:12:29

in a while. As they said, Joey Mania.

1:12:33

Yes. Nonetheless, he

1:12:36

breathes the sigh of relief kind of. I can't

1:12:38

believe that was the cliffhanger. I know. And

1:12:41

he's breaking down. He's rubbing his own forehead.

1:12:43

I feel like the cruise ship all over again.

1:12:45

Didn't he fucking try to reverse it? She's

1:12:48

like apologizing and he's like, I'm confused. I thought something

1:12:50

was wrong. Your head plays tricks

1:12:52

with you and he's getting these ITMs about like, once

1:12:55

you feel those emotions you

1:12:57

can't like unfeel them. It takes me a while. And it

1:13:00

felt like he was saying that to the producer. Like fuck

1:13:02

you for doing this, buddy. For fucking with

1:13:04

me. Like I'm delivering

1:13:06

for you here. And you're fucking

1:13:08

sending her in with this card to be

1:13:10

like, I'm so curious. Well now I just

1:13:12

wanted to say I missed you. Just to

1:13:15

be an ominous thing. Yeah. And

1:13:17

he's like, well, good job. You got me fucked up.

1:13:19

And I can't unfeel that shit in 24 hours, you

1:13:21

dumb piece of shit. That's what came out of it

1:13:23

to me. Yeah. That's why

1:13:25

ring winner was going home. Yeah, exactly.

1:13:28

Good job. Why do you want him to feel like

1:13:30

that? Fucking idiot. All we want to

1:13:32

see for the ring winner and the lead is a fucking

1:13:35

one way path to pure bliss. And

1:13:37

yep, there's going to be some people who get in fights along

1:13:40

the way. There may be a kind of hard decision to make

1:13:42

here or there. And he might or might not have sex with

1:13:44

all three of them. We're tuning in for

1:13:46

that shit, but we want to see the two of

1:13:48

them come look at like fucking Brett Brown and Tiffany

1:13:50

Pennywell. Love is Blind season five. There were no obstacles

1:13:52

there other than like Brett had too many shoes and

1:13:54

his pants didn't fit once or some shit. You know,

1:13:57

your obstacles are the pain.

1:14:00

Taylor might not be open and that's

1:14:02

that's a fine obstacle. That's all I

1:14:05

need in my obstacles I've watched 18

1:14:07

seasons. Yes sister wise exactly and they're

1:14:09

the stars of that fucking season God,

1:14:12

it's like if players are good the

1:14:15

obstacles are can we

1:14:17

put this wrestling mat in? Christine's

1:14:20

garage, you know Yeah,

1:14:23

it's a big one and I remember that episode but

1:14:29

We end this year with this kind of

1:14:31

tone of like maybe this has somehow made

1:14:33

Joey not like her anymore And

1:14:36

we get another commercial for one Pueblo and his

1:14:38

daughter and then portion 8 begins DOP reminds That

1:14:41

Grazi had this emotional conversation and he's faced

1:14:43

with his most difficult rose ceremony yet And

1:14:46

so we see Rachel getting ready and Kelsey getting

1:14:48

ready and Daisy getting ready and Grazi takes his

1:14:50

place at the final altar And he says I'm gonna

1:14:52

have to take some deep breaths to get through this

1:14:55

one So it's so many

1:14:57

beautiful moments But there have been a few lows

1:14:59

too and he has fears about you know Not

1:15:01

having his love fully reciprocated and all he can

1:15:03

do is be honest about he's feeling we see Daisy

1:15:05

get the first rose In the

1:15:07

document, but not in real life Kelsey got the first

1:15:09

rose in real life and she

1:15:11

got the second one here Wait, what? Yeah

1:15:14

in this one also Yeah, you

1:15:17

can see when It's

1:15:19

where how do you see it? There's still

1:15:22

they there's a cut Kelsey is getting first

1:15:24

flower the whole time And they are switching it

1:15:26

with Daisy. Yeah, this was also in the promo

1:15:28

Why for this because they're trying they needed

1:15:30

to make it. Is it gonna be Kelsey or Rachel?

1:15:33

They built a fake story They don't want

1:15:35

to be obvious about him that it's Kelsey

1:15:37

maybe gonna kick off Kelsey so that there

1:15:39

would be some oh my god Who's

1:15:41

he gonna kick off? But it's like fake.

1:15:43

It's all fake Kelsey doing it is fake

1:15:46

when she comes in She's performing. The only

1:15:48

thing that is like real I think was

1:15:50

Grazi looking at that producer in that ITM

1:15:52

and being like I can't unfeel this shit

1:15:54

It's gonna take a minute. He's not

1:15:56

telling us that the fourth audience like

1:15:58

he literally just had The. Heartbreak.

1:16:01

He's telling the producer like dude, I

1:16:03

was shipped fucking sure on her. And.

1:16:06

Then you throw this shit at me. What

1:16:08

Are you fucking doing? That to me is

1:16:10

what was coming through him. He's telling the

1:16:12

producer that. And. Then he's

1:16:14

giving. Kelsey the first

1:16:16

flower. Yes. Interesting. They.

1:16:19

Are also burying Rachel in the

1:16:21

season. This is yeah, we barely

1:16:23

see her until this point in

1:16:25

the episode and deal be does

1:16:27

give her a very unique Tim.

1:16:29

Sick though it was, I did

1:16:31

notice that Sam to now we're

1:16:33

right Sig! Take as much time

1:16:35

as you need and when you're

1:16:37

ready you can say your goodbyes

1:16:39

and I'm so so so so

1:16:41

sorry. Vm stands. Home. How

1:16:45

many so's work at the American bar

1:16:47

here. More so than things that drunken

1:16:49

set. Ah, They walk out the

1:16:51

Guru dumping bench. Rachel produces tears. Got this as

1:16:53

you did Everything I could ask and the worst

1:16:55

thing I could do is keep you here. If

1:16:57

I could express my feelings are falling in love.

1:16:59

He has love for her but he couldn't fully

1:17:02

get there To the level three we get a

1:17:04

hug, the items and Ludlow three. Not wanting to

1:17:06

say goodbye he wants or in his life he

1:17:08

doesn't have those feelings of love with her but

1:17:10

he can't keep her here. He knows they still

1:17:12

something beautiful. He wants her to be okay and

1:17:14

you know she's gonna be but he just wants

1:17:16

her to know how up a bad he will

1:17:18

suffer produces tears. She hugs and thanks for. The

1:17:20

next few years another have more tears

1:17:23

emphasize a while hugs and tears her

1:17:25

she was have been alone she idea

1:17:27

that she said. She. Had are

1:17:29

heartbroken she wanted it so bad for to

1:17:31

be him to love her back. She always

1:17:33

have love for Joey He's a great guy

1:17:36

and more because he didn't do anything wrong.

1:17:38

She's. Thinking it was her fault for not

1:17:40

being open of the beginning. May be looking

1:17:43

back for through her rookie season be a

1:17:45

how can I played this game difference and

1:17:47

she a huge leap of faith and it

1:17:49

hurts more than she thought it would say

1:17:51

she wanted to be him and her in

1:17:53

the head produces years back in the studio

1:17:55

she's in the hot seat with those same

1:17:57

tears and Dlp. Still producing tears

1:17:59

that. That was beautiful. Yeah.

1:18:01

Her tear play was absolutely phenomenal. Blew everybody

1:18:04

away. I literally, I was

1:18:08

like, this is my scream. But I had the thought, I

1:18:10

was like, she should have been crying more this season.

1:18:13

God, you manifested that shit. It

1:18:15

was. There wasn't a frame

1:18:17

that she had with the dry. I was really

1:18:20

expecting a live wet thumb, which we never got.

1:18:22

I wish I could look like that when I

1:18:24

cried. Yeah. Well.

1:18:27

DLP gives her a dark tissue. Yeah.

1:18:30

She posts Mortem Love Level Four's Joey

1:18:33

and says that she was in

1:18:35

love with him. DLP asked about

1:18:37

her walls. She kind of plays the same

1:18:39

play that Maria did, wishing that she had

1:18:42

opened up sooner. And

1:18:45

we see in

1:18:48

the audience, people are

1:18:50

saying that they're proud of her. It's

1:18:52

Susan. Susan, golden godmother.

1:18:56

That was her golden fairy godmother. So

1:18:58

beautiful. I agree. Like,

1:19:01

the way that they're allowed, they're

1:19:03

able to emotionally connect this moment

1:19:05

to that moment and

1:19:07

have her have this supportive sisterhood there

1:19:10

waiting for her, even though she didn't

1:19:12

get this love is like

1:19:15

beautiful. Yeah. The Golden

1:19:17

Players really are, they're providing something really

1:19:19

that the Bachelor has never had, which

1:19:21

is like these kind of maternal

1:19:24

figures. Older women. Yeah,

1:19:26

it is. It's older women. You

1:19:29

always had Chris Harrison kind of as like the

1:19:31

person that all of them, guys and girls, had

1:19:33

to talk to about whatever the

1:19:35

situation was, you know, and now

1:19:38

you've got like something different. And

1:19:40

I just think it's so smart to

1:19:42

like bring them into the game proper,

1:19:44

that it's all one big thing. And

1:19:47

there's older people on the show and there's younger people on

1:19:49

the show. They're

1:19:51

just doing it very well. Giving them that

1:19:53

podcast is just like, that's the

1:19:55

right move. And that people of all

1:19:57

ages can find love and they can.

1:20:00

provide wisdom to each

1:20:02

other. Yeah. Um,

1:20:04

I loved it. And like, Susan

1:20:07

is producing tears in multiple of these

1:20:09

hot seats. Yeah. It's,

1:20:11

it's great. We see the

1:20:13

heartbreak reunion hot seat between Rachel and

1:20:16

Joey and Rachel opens it up with

1:20:23

asking him, did you enjoy that? I

1:20:26

will say seeing you cry was, and she

1:20:29

does the thumbs up, almost my face play

1:20:31

of the game. This is the

1:20:33

first time we see him wearing a shirt, by the way. So

1:20:35

funny. In the live studio audience.

1:20:38

Notable. Voluntary clothing

1:20:42

play. I don't know if

1:20:44

it was voluntary. I don't think any

1:20:46

of these, I think this was all involuntary nudity

1:20:48

and involuntary clothing play. Uh,

1:20:50

Brown seat. Rachel. She

1:20:54

was so funny to me in this and I really

1:20:57

was thinking like they, I know they

1:20:59

edited her out of the season. Like she

1:21:01

did have a, she did have a sparkly

1:21:04

personality. Yep. And it wasn't there.

1:21:06

I think, I don't know why they did that either.

1:21:08

Cause Joey even talks about like how fun it

1:21:10

was to be like,

1:21:12

we always made me laugh and all that shit.

1:21:14

And it's like, what? I saw a little bit,

1:21:16

but she and Maria were the funniest ones. Yeah.

1:21:20

But Rachel here basically says, you know, she's sad,

1:21:22

but also happy because you know, watching it back,

1:21:25

you could see if they both cared for each

1:21:27

other and their friendship was solid. They had fun.

1:21:29

They pushed each other. DOPS Rachel, Dame Joey's changed

1:21:32

her outlook on love. She's like, yes,

1:21:34

my dad set these incredibly high standards. Joey met

1:21:36

them. So she now knows she can meet somebody who

1:21:38

can, uh, hit those

1:21:40

standards and Grazie pushed her to see her worth.

1:21:42

She thanks him for that. They hugged. DLP says

1:21:45

he's glad they both met, had this experience. You

1:21:47

can tell there's mutual respect. She asked Rachel what

1:21:49

her life's been like since she got home. And

1:21:52

Rachel says it's been an emotional roller coaster produces

1:21:54

tears immediately again. It's been good to see the

1:21:56

journey unfold, but the past couple of days watching

1:21:58

back hometowns, especially tears. She's been getting

1:22:01

a lot of hateful messages from the fourth

1:22:03

audience racist comments calling her the n-word All

1:22:06

these things she has all the you

1:22:08

know various examples of what she's been

1:22:10

called. She says her social media got

1:22:12

hacked She had hateful DMS. She doesn't

1:22:14

understand why Somebody

1:22:16

from the audience says out loud. We love you Rachel could

1:22:18

have been Susan The audience applauds

1:22:20

and she says she was sad because her parents

1:22:22

loved the hometown episode shooting it and then to

1:22:24

see people Attacking them for it and for her

1:22:26

culture. It's a whole new level We

1:22:29

cut to a shot of Evelyn Clark tear playing in

1:22:31

the audience here She

1:22:33

radio keeps tears in and talking about the

1:22:35

hundreds of DMS and messages of hate another

1:22:37

great cry player yeah, one tear player to

1:22:40

another here and she's

1:22:42

saying she's getting all these DMS and tick-tocks that are

1:22:44

hateful people saying they threw up when they watched her

1:22:46

and Joey kiss and this

1:22:51

Speech this monologue of

1:22:53

the toxicity of the fourth audience of bachelor

1:22:55

nation was my oh

1:23:11

This kind of thing has been attempted before

1:23:14

when they brought out Rachel Lindsay to issue

1:23:16

the no bullying thing But they wouldn't say

1:23:18

the word racism They don't ever

1:23:20

do it like this just let somebody talk

1:23:23

about their experience and she did

1:23:25

it so well I mean after you

1:23:27

watch this show I don't

1:23:29

like if you are a person who sent her something

1:23:31

bad you have to feel bad about it You have

1:23:33

to send an apology, right?

1:23:36

I feel like those people Don't

1:23:39

care. I don't think a lot

1:23:41

of people apologize after sending racist comments

1:23:44

I mean, I would just say yeah, maybe you're right But I

1:23:47

feel like she did this whole episode but

1:23:49

but she was the main moment of it.

1:23:51

No, she no this was amazing Yeah,

1:23:54

it was really like a seismic shift

1:23:56

in bachelor nation. Usually this kind of

1:23:58

shit is like flat-out ignored So

1:24:00

for the producers to let her say this and

1:24:03

to have this attitude about it, DLP even comes

1:24:05

in after this. Oh my God,

1:24:07

I'm so sorry, he says to her. He

1:24:10

apologizes to her and her family that they had

1:24:12

to go through that. Grazi says, you don't deserve

1:24:14

that. And by talking about it, you're

1:24:16

shedding light on things. So he even praises the play right

1:24:18

there. And for

1:24:20

them to like use this much screen time on something

1:24:22

like this, I just feel like

1:24:24

it's them accepting that social media is a

1:24:27

part of this and that

1:24:29

they have some responsibility for how the

1:24:31

fourth audience uses it in conjunction with

1:24:33

the show. That's a big

1:24:35

problem. Yeah, they're trying to change it, which I

1:24:37

think is good. And I think this was their

1:24:40

best attempt at it so far. And I thought

1:24:42

Rachel was perfect for it, you know. You've

1:24:45

convinced me, so I've changed. Rachel

1:24:49

says Rachel's... Maria's

1:24:51

play was great too. Rachel's racism

1:24:55

and bullying PTC was

1:24:57

also my... Wait,

1:25:11

was it your play of the game? Yes.

1:25:13

Okay, yes. It was. But

1:25:16

Maria's plays were strong too. The double-hatchet burial was

1:25:18

like really well done. But DLP takes

1:25:20

it even further. And he's like, the

1:25:22

level of hate and imagination has risen this

1:25:25

season. He's aware of it. And he's like,

1:25:27

another show of hands. People have had hate

1:25:30

on social media throughout the season. Lauren Allison,

1:25:32

Starr, Evelyn, Taylor, Kaitlyn Autumn, Kelsey T, Maria,

1:25:34

Jen, Medina, Jess, Sidney, all hands in the

1:25:36

air. Only Edwina, Lexi,

1:25:38

and Leia do not raise their hands.

1:25:41

Which I'm like, Leia didn't get any hate?

1:25:43

But Sidney did? No, I think

1:25:46

they all did. They just didn't raise their hands. And

1:25:49

we see Susan and Kathy raising their hands too. And DLP

1:25:51

kind of apologizes for the show.

1:25:54

I'm really sorry you should not have to go through that at all.

1:25:57

And they shouldn't. And

1:26:01

yeah, I think this is a really, really

1:26:04

important segment. And I

1:26:06

don't know, I just wish it had been up top, but. Me too,

1:26:08

you know what I wish he would say at the end of that?

1:26:10

I wish he would have gone like, I'm

1:26:13

really sorry and you shouldn't have to go through all that.

1:26:15

And here's the thing, Bachelor Nation, because he addresses Bachelor Nation,

1:26:17

they give him a direct address, parasocial gaze. He goes, here's

1:26:19

the thing, Bachelor Nation, we love your strong opinions, but it's

1:26:21

important to up with these women. They deserve our praise and

1:26:23

not our hate. And then he should have

1:26:25

gone on to be like, that's why we need to tell

1:26:27

you that this is a professional sport. And

1:26:30

these are players playing a game. He should

1:26:32

have gone there. You didn't like the

1:26:34

world needs positivity. I

1:26:38

did, but you know, could've taken it further. Grazi

1:26:40

says people should remember how much courage it

1:26:43

takes to play the game. Always take it

1:26:45

further. And we need to be taking it

1:26:47

further with the outfits. I agree. We're in

1:26:50

Dark Lord coming era. I'm sorry, I can't

1:26:52

see any suits anymore. I

1:26:55

agree with you. It feels old. It feels very

1:26:57

old. Even Nick Lachey doesn't really,

1:27:00

I mean, he'll wear a suit, but like cool guy suit. He'll

1:27:02

like go for it with the hair. Yeah.

1:27:06

Yeah, he does have pretty young

1:27:08

guy hair. Grazi says people should remember how much

1:27:10

courage it takes to come on this show. It

1:27:13

should never be met with hate. We can't agree more.

1:27:16

These are professional, in

1:27:18

my mind, professional athlete type

1:27:21

specimens of the human race, playing a

1:27:23

game at the highest level that I

1:27:25

love. It's one of my favorite games.

1:27:27

And especially this season, everybody who played

1:27:30

this season was just, they're just doing

1:27:32

shit at a different level now. Like

1:27:34

all the players are. And this to

1:27:36

me was the first season that really

1:27:38

like brought that out in a

1:27:40

way that I was like, oh my God, the whole

1:27:43

player pool is professional now. We got

1:27:45

there. Yeah. I mean,

1:27:47

I literally thought everyone who had a hot

1:27:49

seat was top four. Yeah, took four seasons.

1:27:52

That's how good everyone is. From season 24, which

1:27:54

is where I think we saw the first professional

1:27:56

players in Sluss and Pruitt to now

1:27:59

Everybody. The on the ceiling for some fruit level. It's.

1:28:02

Fucking amazing they are. I'm happy.

1:28:05

I'm happy we're getting this era.

1:28:07

I really am me to. We.

1:28:11

See. Ah

1:28:13

Sydney. When Joey is

1:28:16

in the hot see. Ah says

1:28:18

that. Genuine Joey is real

1:28:20

onscreen he the amd her behind the

1:28:22

scenes when she was getting a so.

1:28:25

I'm so we're still continuing the

1:28:27

hate into the next segment. I'm

1:28:31

and. We. Get

1:28:33

people asking how do you

1:28:35

have any single friends Kathy's

1:28:38

asked for grandfather's and we

1:28:40

see. Him

1:28:42

kind. I give these general forty

1:28:45

or our responses about the different

1:28:47

people that he had heartbreak. Get

1:28:49

it with. Almeria, So

1:28:51

thank you for handling me with care.

1:28:54

Ah I simply up and down all over

1:28:56

the place. Ah he says. We had a.

1:28:58

Great. Time. At

1:29:00

Jan his as we had a great

1:29:02

time. you know it's I would say

1:29:04

it's. Pretty. Pretty standard Joey

1:29:06

at this point a my bars to

1:29:09

high now. Yeah.

1:29:11

We get Kelsey T than a deal p

1:29:13

Reminds grassy of the wrong emotional day with

1:29:15

her and she says the show fix my

1:29:17

family to She knelt talks to her dad

1:29:19

this are going to the writer for the

1:29:21

show produces some peers here is present in

1:29:23

her life. She's spoken to a few people,

1:29:25

have a dog to their families and a

1:29:27

long time and she's been able to encourage

1:29:29

and support them to. The. Shows

1:29:31

like Fixing other people's lives do

1:29:33

This is very similar to what

1:29:36

Jen said. I mean we don't

1:29:38

need a community service real anymore

1:29:40

says yeah exactly. The show is

1:29:42

fixing America Where six. And everyone's

1:29:44

life. I mean, it's. As

1:29:47

bad as professional, it's like. Barrel.

1:29:49

So good and healthy and

1:29:51

a beautiful crier. absolutely

1:29:53

than we see grassy talking about the most interesting

1:29:56

thing of the season is getting to see the

1:29:58

shit he doesn't see while shooting because he's

1:30:00

only involved in the conversations. He doesn't know what's going on in

1:30:02

the house, whatever. And that

1:30:04

leads DLP to intro a blooper

1:30:07

reel, I guess. Yeah, that's what I call

1:30:09

it. It's just like a reel, a real

1:30:12

reel. The women get to

1:30:14

know each other pretty well and impersonate each other,

1:30:16

he says, and we see Daisy doing a Kelsey

1:30:18

T. We see Daisy doing Jen. We

1:30:20

see the whole package of Jen

1:30:22

to corroborate that impression as accurate. We

1:30:24

see Rachel doing a Joey and we

1:30:27

get into the... I like the corroboration

1:30:29

of the impressions. Yeah, me too. They

1:30:32

do it with Joey too. They do an impression

1:30:34

to him where they're kind of like jostling their shoulders around and they

1:30:36

cut to him before every rose is everybody doing it.

1:30:38

They should have done the hand thing though. They

1:30:42

should have done the fucking wet thumb. I'm surprised nobody

1:30:44

did that impression. Very

1:30:46

cute and funny, nothing means spirit at all here.

1:30:48

Then DLP comes out. What

1:30:51

if the blooper reel had just been all his

1:30:53

wet thumbs? Well then, a

1:30:55

video I'm going to release on the day

1:30:57

this show ends airing would be superfluous. Oh

1:30:59

no. I keep

1:31:02

forgetting you're doing that,

1:31:04

sorry. Oh,

1:31:07

I don't forget. Every time I see one, I'm

1:31:09

like, yes, I need to cut that clip. DLP

1:31:11

then asks him... I mean, it's literally the first

1:31:13

thing I thought when that creature licked his finger.

1:31:16

I know. There was a missed wet

1:31:18

thumb opportunity tonight. He wet middle fingered himself in

1:31:20

an ITM. At any rate,

1:31:22

DLP asked him who made him laugh the most

1:31:25

and Grazi says Rachel and Maria. Then DLP says

1:31:27

we had extravagant dates, especially the pretty woman date.

1:31:29

Joey was indulging in some rich tastes of his

1:31:31

own during that date and we see this montage

1:31:34

of Grazi just shit housing a

1:31:36

plate of macaroons. The best macaroon

1:31:38

play I've ever seen. It

1:31:41

was incredible. This

1:31:43

should have been in the show though, TBH. I

1:31:46

don't know. It takes away the prestige of the

1:31:48

pretty woman. I don't agree. This is where it belongs in my mind.

1:31:50

It takes away the prestige, but it gets you

1:31:52

to know Joey and he's silly. We

1:31:57

then see another real... that

1:32:00

is a, this was a

1:32:02

swing. DLP is

1:32:05

basically puppeting Joey in

1:32:08

his ITMs and making

1:32:10

fun of Frank inviting to

1:32:13

say, Oh yeah, I love

1:32:15

DLP. But they

1:32:17

make it very obvious. They're doing a clutch cargo,

1:32:19

um, style

1:32:21

animation here to like put a mouth over

1:32:24

a still image of Joey. And,

1:32:26

um, I feel like it's something

1:32:28

I see on TikTok a lot. Yeah. The kind of

1:32:30

like they've replaced the eyes and mouth and

1:32:32

Joey admits that he hates shopping. Yeah.

1:32:36

The clutch cargo thing was okay for me. I

1:32:38

was like, eh, I could take it or leave it. It wasn't

1:32:40

that funny. I thought, and it didn't do

1:32:42

much to further anything. I don't feel like it

1:32:44

furthered anything. I agree. You could have gotten

1:32:47

some better information here. That's why, that's why I didn't like

1:32:49

it. We then get another

1:32:51

blooper reel in the next portion, uh,

1:32:54

where Maria is doing some

1:32:56

play with the battery being

1:32:58

in her butt. Uh,

1:33:01

we see Joey can't say Minneapolis.

1:33:03

LOL, LOL, LOL. And,

1:33:06

uh, he says I'm going to be a

1:33:08

walking meme this season. Daisy and Jess can't

1:33:10

pronounce his last name. Yeah. He,

1:33:12

he realizes it. That was fucking great. Uh,

1:33:15

we also had Daisy and Jess. So good.

1:33:17

Iconic. Unable to pronounce his name.

1:33:20

I thought that was interesting. We

1:33:22

then see Lauren with a Polaroid camera,

1:33:24

unable to figure out how it works,

1:33:26

takes a picture of herself, blinds herself

1:33:28

with the flash. We see a bunch

1:33:30

of people burping. Autumn's talking about her

1:33:32

laxatives kicking in. No season complete without

1:33:34

shitting. No, no, Autumn. You're going

1:33:36

to get the poop clock, Autumn. No, don't

1:33:39

do it. Here's the thing. If

1:33:42

you talk about anything about shitting, they're going to

1:33:44

use it. I'm putting no, you got to put

1:33:46

no poop clock in your rider. I mean, it

1:33:49

simply can't be done. No clock of any kind.

1:33:52

I know this may seem inconsequential. It was in

1:33:54

a blooper reel. Who cares? Right? Wrong. It

1:33:57

Just drags the season down. It

1:34:00

puts it in a place it shouldn't be.

1:34:02

Even paradise shouldn't be there. People. Talking

1:34:04

about their sittings, Symbian the show my

1:34:06

opinion. I. Agree in a how

1:34:08

is adding to. The. Stories. It's

1:34:10

not. It's. Relegating that person

1:34:12

to paradise at best. It's like setting

1:34:15

up a new poop baby Paradise story

1:34:17

as I get. Ah, we don't want

1:34:19

it. Nobody. Wants that. Yes,

1:34:22

I. Fully agree. They lost me

1:34:25

at this point in in the Blooper

1:34:27

reel. The. Same. Nonetheless,

1:34:29

I kept watching. We got bugs, bugs

1:34:31

bugs bugs roaches, bees or kinds of

1:34:33

bugs people found above their heads, villains

1:34:36

who noggin' things over lights. Go now.

1:34:38

everybody's laughing lap and that I love.

1:34:40

Aloe a bill and then we see

1:34:42

Deal Pieces. Next week the journey will

1:34:45

and will. shocking conclusion and Razzi will

1:34:47

be back with a live finale and

1:34:49

then Grassy walks off to massive applause.

1:34:51

A Deal Pieces Typically Grassy would be

1:34:53

out here to watch the teaser. But.

1:34:55

I didn't wanna put him through the pain of

1:34:57

it. To. Make him watch it again.

1:35:00

V. P Empathetic King.

1:35:03

You. Didn't you say? no

1:35:05

deal? p Well, as though he's

1:35:07

controlling any of this Jesus Christ

1:35:10

but no violence s Listen, I.

1:35:12

Really took account of. Grasses.

1:35:15

Emotions right now and I simply don't want

1:35:17

to put the man through this. so we're

1:35:19

letting him go back and take off his

1:35:21

shirt and play ping pong some more than

1:35:23

we get the teaser. Got. His

1:35:25

biggest which is falling in love with both

1:35:27

of them in can see features with them

1:35:29

both. Daisy gets him to his course you

1:35:31

have on a force. Kelsey has a physical

1:35:33

bond see tears to his mom's we seek

1:35:36

Razzi saying he still has doubts about what

1:35:38

they might say he tells his mom is

1:35:40

nervous about it. Daisy feel something is off

1:35:42

Kelsey tears she's tear as terrors of things

1:35:44

are getting more real. Grazia the final alter

1:35:46

feals the weight of it all. This is

1:35:48

the hardest thing is afraid it might not

1:35:51

work out we see him cheers of of

1:35:53

might alter It takes up the jackets. than

1:35:55

expected to go this way gets in a

1:35:57

car he seems to be leaving alone there

1:35:59

is the final run Still on the final

1:36:02

altar and we cut to a member of

1:36:04

the fourth audience who is stunned and shocked

1:36:06

and this half Aperture mouth look of shock

1:36:08

was my Face

1:36:23

It wasn't the best face play we saw all night but

1:36:25

to get that edit They just built

1:36:27

you to a fucking crescendo through this

1:36:29

whole show the full two hours of

1:36:31

it leads to that final shot of

1:36:33

a rose Still on the final fucking

1:36:36

altar and they cut to your face

1:36:38

that deserves an award in my opinion

1:36:40

Yeah, it's basically the fourth audience representation

1:36:42

upon seeing this trailer. Yes. He is

1:36:44

not leaving alone is

1:36:47

he I Don't

1:36:49

know. I don't know they've done

1:36:51

it to me. I don't know. I think

1:36:53

they're tricking me again Look what they did to us

1:36:55

with the note. I agree the note.

1:36:58

Look what you did to us with

1:37:00

the note exhibit a Kelsey's

1:37:02

knock knock note was not good exhibit

1:37:04

be the cruise line I

1:37:07

know which I'll never forget. I've been

1:37:09

betrayed but come on. The season is

1:37:11

different like no it is Here's

1:37:14

what we're gonna do on this season, but I'm

1:37:16

seeing poop. I know I know but it was

1:37:18

in a blooper reel at

1:37:21

a tell-all like If

1:37:23

it's a poop thing then it has to be a

1:37:25

funny poop joke Yeah, like it

1:37:27

can't just be the category like it's not

1:37:30

inherently. I agree Somebody

1:37:33

saying I had to take a laxative is like

1:37:36

it's not funny or anything. It's just like oh

1:37:38

that sucks Anyways, who is

1:37:41

your MVP? Yeah, I

1:37:43

don't think it's funny to make fun of like gastric

1:37:47

illness to Anyway

1:37:52

For her for

1:37:54

one of my plays of the game

1:37:56

for her stunning at tear

1:37:58

play her stunning Crown Play

1:38:01

in a literal all-star

1:38:03

round of Crown

1:38:05

Play. Rachel was my...

1:38:12

M M M M

1:38:14

V P For

1:38:21

all of those same reasons, Rachel

1:38:24

was also my... M

1:38:29

M M V P I

1:38:39

think she did something historic tonight

1:38:41

with that fourth audience victimization

1:38:43

play of getting the all

1:38:45

the hateful DMs and stuff. I

1:38:48

don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like

1:38:50

it might have worked. I think it

1:38:52

might have taken a little toxicity out of the fourth

1:38:54

audience. I think that's beautiful. I

1:38:57

really do think it helped. I don't know.

1:38:59

It just was done in a way that seemed... Not

1:39:02

only... It just seemed sincere. It

1:39:05

wasn't like they're bringing Rachel Lindsay back and being

1:39:07

like, Read this, you know? That was

1:39:09

really her up there talking about her personal

1:39:11

experience that was still very raw. Like she

1:39:13

said, most of this shit was happening during

1:39:15

hometowns, which only aired a week or two

1:39:17

ago. Well, even including it, I

1:39:21

agree. Keep including it until

1:39:23

it ends, you know? Yeah. I agree. Yeah. It's

1:39:27

not okay. It's not

1:39:30

okay. And it has real consequences

1:39:32

for people. It's

1:39:34

also just like, if you love

1:39:36

The Bachelor, in my opinion, then

1:39:38

you should love all the people that are on it. As

1:39:42

far as what they do in the document, you know

1:39:44

what I mean? Some of them are bad and some

1:39:46

of them fucking show up in directions and shit, but

1:39:48

like, they contribute to

1:39:51

this game. Only one.

1:39:53

Yeah, only one. But they contribute to the

1:39:55

game and to have like, I

1:39:58

don't know, just to send anyone anything hateful. You

1:40:00

can have your opinions about people and stuff that

1:40:03

may be based on reality or not whatever, but

1:40:05

like to send the mean shit is a level

1:40:07

that just doesn't need to ever happen. In.

1:40:10

My opinion it does not. I yeah I

1:40:12

don't know how you stop it is it

1:40:15

just feels like like that's the and I

1:40:17

don't know. Yeah. That's true

1:40:19

to some degree. At any rate, A.

1:40:21

Fantastic! Tell all. One

1:40:24

of my favorites in the history of all

1:40:26

towels. Like you're saying, I agree to the

1:40:28

level play across the board. Not a hot

1:40:30

seat you could cut you. have I ever saw

1:40:32

manners and. Now. You

1:40:35

know who had a hot seat the got caught him. On.

1:40:37

Quite next season. Twenty six Sally Carson.

1:40:40

Had. A hot seat to got cut. Ah,

1:40:43

insane. And I think she's gonna be

1:40:45

on southern charm now. Let's.

1:40:47

Go! Oh I know.

1:40:49

I. Know. I. Know why it's ceased.

1:40:51

She smelled, she showed up bachelor and she

1:40:54

was I oh my god I'm behind. I

1:40:56

had no idea I'm telling you how see

1:40:58

get an in I think she showed up

1:41:00

in Bajaur season twenty six and was like

1:41:03

you know what? I'm. Out

1:41:05

they treat you like shit. I'm out.

1:41:07

I'm going into the Bravo various. Yeah,

1:41:09

she's like, how long do I have

1:41:11

to wait until my contract expires to

1:41:13

get another reality show? Two years done

1:41:15

with with. One of these guys are after

1:41:17

hook up with ah. Maybe.

1:41:22

I wonder if they'll have any southern jump jokes

1:41:24

voters who gives us how a lot of people

1:41:26

add to the shirts that had yeah, exactly. It's

1:41:28

A, at any rate, The so far

1:41:31

as been a fantastic season. We have some small

1:41:33

complaints here and there about some producer interference and

1:41:35

stuff, but overall. I

1:41:37

mean, I haven't had an error and two. Episodes.

1:41:39

You. Haven't or for this for tonight's

1:41:42

begun. No. oh I thought Chelsea's

1:41:44

card. Cause. He's card and then.

1:41:47

Say. Gao. I mean I had just cause

1:41:49

his car doesn't even seem like it came from

1:41:51

fallacy to me so I didn't even count that

1:41:53

it didn't But that's what I'm saying like part

1:41:55

of being a good players being able to like

1:41:58

feel like I'm not doing that. Get the. Producers

1:42:00

to say okay to not doing the dumb

1:42:02

shit you know to have some wherewithal don't

1:42:04

like? Whoa. Wait a minute. What's. This

1:42:06

gonna look like on tv. I'm. Not,

1:42:09

I don't think it ultimately hurt her

1:42:12

game, but is this connective Joey? a

1:42:14

panic? that that? Yeah, exactly. But

1:42:16

I think he was smart and I think he did know

1:42:18

that it was on the Producers. I literally think that's with

1:42:21

that idea where. Where. Is the sake?

1:42:23

I can't. It's. Going take a minute now for

1:42:25

me to get over this. If I could see that. At

1:42:28

any rate, yeah I think he was is

1:42:30