0:00

Meet Tim Gurner, one

0:02

of Australia's richest people, saying

0:04

the quiet part out loud. I

0:06

think the problem that we've had is that we've, you

0:09

know, we have, people decided

0:11

they didn't really want to

0:12

work so much anymore through COVID and that

0:14

has had a massive issue on productivity. You

0:17

know, tradies have definitely pulled back on productivity.

0:20

You

0:20

know, they have been paid a lot to

0:22

do not too much in the last few years. And

0:25

we need to see that change. We need to see unemployment rise.

0:27

Unemployment has to jump 40, 50% in my view. We

0:30

need

0:30

to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people

0:33

that they work for the employer, not the other

0:35

way around. I mean, there is a, there's

0:37

been a systematic change where employees

0:40

feel the employer is extremely lucky

0:43

to have them as opposed to the other

0:45

way around. So it's a dynamic

0:47

that has to change. We've got to kill that attitude

0:49

and that has to come through hurting the

0:51

economy, which is what the whole global, you

0:54

know, the world is trying to do.

0:56

The governments around the world are trying to increase unemployment

0:58

to get that to some

1:01

sort of normality. And we're seeing it. I think

1:03

every employer now is saying it. I mean, there is definitely

1:05

massive layoffs going off. People might

1:07

not be

1:07

talking about it, but people are definitely laying

1:09

people off and we're starting to see less arrogance in

1:12

the employment market. And that has to continue

1:14

because

1:14

that will cascade across the cost balance.

1:21

The

1:28

cost of living

1:33

designed to show up somewhere

1:36

else is suffering in

1:40

silence. The

1:44

invisible 99% to blame.

1:50

Snuff out whistleblowers, brain damage. Snuff

1:53

out whistleblowers, brain damage. I

2:00

thought you needed to

2:02

be... ...defible

2:04

to hear how the same

2:07

things happen. And

2:11

silence... ...F

2:20

... newest pulls my mind from the chambers.

2:22

I'm the classwoooow

2:24

of singin'

2:26

Now and behold I

2:29

think I could just be I'm

2:32

not the one who got to scrape my head

2:34

off the street I'm just a kid I'm just a

2:36

man I'm just a kid you'll

2:38

be dignity Hey

2:43

it's Andrea Chalupa, I'm a journalist and filmmaker

2:46

and the writer and producer of the journalistic

2:48

thriller Mr. Jones about Stalin's

2:50

genocide, famine, and Ukraine. The

2:52

film The Kremlin doesn't want you to see as

2:55

well as its disinformation agents on the far

2:57

left and the far right so be sure to go see

2:59

it. And this is Gaslit Nation,

3:01

a show about corruption in America and

3:04

rising autocracy worldwide. Now

3:06

for our opening clip, Gurner,

3:09

one of Australia's richest men, has since

3:11

apologized since the internet

3:14

beat him over the head for that. But

3:16

in terms of how the business elite of course

3:18

see us, it's that old saying

3:20

I heard back when I lived in Ukraine

3:22

in 2005 that

3:25

the oligarchs see the people

3:27

as the shit they grow their money in.

3:30

That's how they see us, no matter whether they're

3:32

from Australia, Ukraine, Russia, or

3:35

Kentucky, or New York State, or

3:37

Florida. That's how they see us. And

3:40

to fight back against that, go to

3:42

the Gaslit Nation Action Guide on gaslitnationpod.com.

3:46

That's gaslitnationpod.com. There's so

3:48

many ways to contribute. We need you now.

3:50

We're all so much more powerful

3:52

than we think and together we're even more powerful.

3:55

That is what all these unions are showing

3:58

us right now. So we have to fight. linked

4:00

arms and take these asses on together

4:02

because that is how we went. We chip away, chip away, chip

4:04

away, and we make the work easier for

4:06

the generations that come after us. The

4:09

song you just heard at the top of the show

4:11

was The Cost of Living by

4:14

Prison Pen Pal. The song was

4:16

sent to us by frontman Jerry Mandarin,

4:18

a Birmingham UK-based musician,

4:21

self-described as, quote, an

4:23

unpopular political songwriter working

4:25

on diary entries set to music,

4:28

and released into the digital universe as

4:30

soon as they have served their purpose in

4:32

restoring mental health at the time of need.

4:35

That is beautiful, Jerry. Thank you so much. Jerry

4:38

provided a statement about the song. I

4:40

originally wrote The Cost of Living last year

4:42

as a mechanism to cope with the extreme

4:45

cruelty and policies of

4:47

the UK government, and its effects

4:49

that I could see with my own eyes in the

4:51

city I live in. It's truly heartbreaking

4:54

to feel this powerless, knowing it doesn't

4:57

and shouldn't be this way. The lyrics

4:59

are personal, but I hope universal.

5:02

If you walk around with your eyes open, I

5:04

definitely remember Andrea saying,

5:06

walking wallets more than once on

5:08

gasket nation episodes, so I had to pay

5:11

homage, steal,

5:13

and pair it with pedal poverty

5:16

for alliterative purposes.

5:18

Here in the UK, there is a mindset

5:21

that no matter how bad it gets for you, you

5:23

can always rest assured it's worse for

5:25

someone else.

5:26

Someone, somewhere else is suffering.

5:29

This lack of compassion is a sickness

5:32

that drives inequality and manifests

5:34

itself with people turning on each other

5:36

rather than looking up and

5:38

holding power to account. I'm

5:41

really pleased that you like the song and

5:43

feel honored to have it on one of my favorite

5:45

podcasts. I don't perform in clubs

5:47

or bars, although I might give it a go after

5:49

receiving the Selva Steam Boost from Gasket Nation.

5:52

Absolutely give it a go. Your work's fantastic. Everyone

5:55

will post a link to the cost of living on our social

5:57

media pages and in the show notes.

5:59

episode on our Patreon page.

6:01

You can find more of Prison Pen

6:03

Pals music on SoundCloud. Thank

6:05

you so much for sharing your work with us, Jerry. Now,

6:07

I have a confession to make. Understand

6:10

I have two little babies, one is homesick,

6:12

so my mind is reeling. I have a terminally

6:14

ill loved one in my immediate family. So I'm

6:17

in therapy. I'm reading all the self-help

6:19

books I can get my hands on right now. I'm struggling

6:22

right now, but I'm doing this show because it's my creative outlet

6:24

and I love it. And this community is real

6:26

and this community has sustained nights

6:29

of horror over the years. I've needed

6:31

you, we've needed each other. But Jerry,

6:33

I forgot we had a song feature this month.

6:36

I almost ran the episode this month without

6:38

it. And I quickly went back to include

6:40

your song in this episode because we made a promise

6:42

to you we would do that. And amazingly,

6:44

I recorded this episode already, the bulk of

6:46

it that you'll hear in the introduction audio, the introduction

6:49

news roundup. I recorded the bulk of that before

6:52

I really read what your song statement

6:55

and what I recorded and what

6:57

you sent to us is completely

6:59

aligned. We were meant to be, especially

7:02

for this episode. You're completely right

7:04

on theme for what's going to be discussed in this opening

7:06

news roundup. Thank you so much for your music. I hope

7:08

to see you perform one day. All right. So

7:10

this week's show, we're going to do a quick opening on

7:13

some highlights in the news that we

7:15

should all pay attention to and say vigilant

7:17

of. And then the rest of the episode

7:20

will be an excerpt of the August

7:22

5th live taping of Gasset Nation

7:25

at Cavia in New York City with the

7:27

wonderful risk storytelling podcast

7:30

by comedian Kevin Allison of

7:32

the iconic comedy group, The State, which

7:35

launched the comedic careers of the geniuses,

7:37

Michael Showalter, Michael Ian Black, David Wayne,

7:39

and so many more. Thank you to

7:41

everyone who came out to that on a

7:44

afternoon in the middle of summer to the

7:47

Lower East Side with its

7:49

rotting cabbage smell and the heat.

7:51

We came together. I was extremely

7:54

amazed that it wasn't just me on a stage with a microphone.

7:57

There was nearly a full house. It's

7:59

hard to get a seat. you came late. And it was

8:01

a thrill to meet you guys and sign

8:03

Mr. Jones posters and sign books

8:06

and things and a big hug to all

8:08

of you who came out. That was really a thrilling,

8:11

soul-hugging experience. Thank you, thank

8:13

you. And we hope to do more events like

8:15

that as we get closer to

8:17

yet again, another critical,

8:20

most important election in our lives. We're all

8:22

in this together. We're going to get through it together. And

8:24

ultimately, we are absolutely going to win. So

8:26

have confidence in yourself, have confidence in each

8:28

other. We are going to win. If you're scared,

8:30

if you're having a hard time sleeping at night, you are not alone.

8:33

And a lot of people are channeling that rage,

8:36

channeling that fear into building political

8:38

power because there is no get

8:41

rich quick scene. There is no pill we can take.

8:43

It is only rolling up our sleeves, doing the smart

8:45

organizing work of bringing scientifically

8:48

driven empathetic people to power.

8:50

That is how we flush out the system and

8:52

bring a new talent to

8:54

protect us, to safeguard our democracy on levels

8:57

from dog catcher all the way up to

8:59

who's running your state and all levels.

9:02

So it's building that state power. And you can

9:04

join me and my friends. We have our own little

9:06

group working on that. It's called State Fair. Look

9:09

out for the link in the show notes on how you can sign up with us

9:11

at State Fair. I'm doing that damn work

9:13

with so many brilliant activists across the country,

9:16

including Jerry from Succession,

9:19

Jay Smith Cameron, an extraordinary

9:21

talent, extraordinary actor. And she's

9:24

sending texts and emails at all hours of the night fighting

9:26

for our democracy through our group State Fair. So

9:29

come join us at that. Look for the link in the show

9:31

notes for this episode. Okay. None of us

9:33

are going to get through this alone. We all need each other more

9:35

than ever. Now we're going to fight like

9:37

hell for each other. That is how

9:40

we went and we are going to win. Now I

9:42

want to do a quick news. Look, going

9:45

into dark places together, shining our light. Let's

9:48

start off with Biden joining the picket line.

9:51

Let's be very clear about what's happening. Only

9:53

President Biden is joining the UAW

9:56

picket line. Trump will not be there. Trump

9:58

is not wanted. Trump was not invited. to that

10:00

cookout. Okay. They're very clear that they

10:02

do not want him there. So only Biden,

10:04

only Biden will be at the UAW

10:06

picket line. He was invited. He will be attending

10:09

and that is wonderful news.

10:12

Trump as a consolation prize

10:14

for his ego will be holding a Nazi

10:16

rally nearby. But let's be clear

10:19

because there's misinformation, disinformation out there.

10:21

Only Biden was invited and will be attending the

10:23

UAW picket line. So

10:25

next up, the next Republican debate is

10:27

set for Wednesday. Keep your eye on Nikki

10:29

Haley. If you can stomach watching it or reading

10:31

about it, Haley is Jared and Ivanka's

10:34

chance for a political comeback. That's

10:36

who the Kushner's are reportedly backing in

10:39

this race. Look out also

10:41

for the show notes in this week's episode on how

10:43

Wall Street is rallying around the Republican candidates

10:46

because dictatorships from

10:48

Hitler to Pinochet come to

10:50

power with the help of the business elite.

10:53

As Cory Doctorow pointed

10:55

out in a recent interview with him, Biden

10:58

appointed Lena Khan and Elizabeth Warren

11:00

protege as chairwoman

11:02

of the Federal Trade Commission and

11:05

she is a well-known critic of

11:07

big tech who is actually

11:09

working to apply our nation's antitrust

11:12

laws and Wall Street and

11:14

Silicon Valley hate her. And

11:16

yes, as our opening clip showed, they

11:19

will absolutely sell us

11:21

out for tax dodging, to

11:23

pay less in taxes, to hoard their

11:25

wealth, to bask in their greed, even

11:28

if it means ushering in an age

11:31

of fascism which will produce and

11:34

further amass death, which will be a black

11:37

hole that will be nearly impossible to

11:39

crawl out of for future generations

11:41

to come. Yes, they will do that and

11:43

they have done that before. And so Biden

11:46

does have good people in positions

11:48

of power. There is a group of reformers in his

11:50

administration that are fighting the good fight.

11:52

Okay, they do exist. On

11:55

top of this, I want to point out some

11:57

breaking news today. September

12:00

26th from the New York Times, U.S. accuses

12:03

Amazon of illegally protecting

12:06

monopoly in online retail.

12:08

The Federal Trade Commission, again

12:11

ran by Lena Khan, the Elizabeth Warren protege,

12:14

the Federal Trade Commission and 17 states

12:17

filed a lawsuit against Amazon

12:19

for quote, illegal conduct

12:22

in its online store and services

12:25

to merchants, which stifled competition.

12:28

That is big. So all of you that

12:30

fought for Warren understand what I've always

12:32

said on the show. So-called failed movements

12:35

just fertilize the ground for

12:38

future successful movements. So all of us

12:40

that made phone calls for Elizabeth Warren that fought

12:42

our hearts up for her. This is part of our

12:44

legacy. So Warren is somebody

12:46

that was a mentor of Lena

12:49

Khan and a Lena Khan is taken on Amazon.

12:51

All right. And she's taken on big tech and Wall Street

12:54

hates her and the disinformation

12:56

echo chamber of the Republican party hates

12:59

her. And that's why it's day along with the

13:01

far right and the far left are going to

13:03

try to convince you that Biden and Trump are the same

13:05

and elections don't matter. Do not listen to them.

13:08

Do not listen to anyone out there who's trying

13:10

to Edward Snowden us. Do you remember

13:12

in the days before the 26th election from

13:14

his perch in Moscow, Edward

13:16

Snowden sent that infamous tweet saying the

13:19

election of 2016 is basically

13:21

the same choice. Ask a woman

13:23

who has to suffer a painful

13:26

miscarriage, a painful dead

13:29

birth inside of her because her state

13:31

has banned reproductive health care and

13:33

how that excruciating pain

13:36

could put her own life in risk and orphan

13:38

her children. So don't listen to anyone

13:40

who's trying to Edward Snowden you now. Yes, we

13:42

know, we know very well that there's a democratic establishment

13:45

and they suck, but there is a movement

13:47

of reformers driven from the grassroots up

13:50

that is fighting like hell. So pay attention

13:52

to those folks, know their names and

13:54

join us in doing our own work and do not abandon

13:57

them because they exist and no, both parties are

13:59

not the same. Who would you rather negotiate

14:01

with? Some asshole centrist Democrat

14:04

or a full-on full-blown Kremlin

14:06

disinformation agent mobbed

14:08

up with the Kremlin dark money dumb as fuck

14:11

Republican, right? Who would you rather negotiate

14:13

with? I'd rather negotiate with the Democratic

14:15

party establishment and work arm in arm

14:17

with the reformers in the party. Okay, that's the

14:20

two fundamentally different choices on

14:22

the ballot going into 2024. And anyone

14:24

who's trying to sell you otherwise, they're manipulating

14:27

you. They've got their own financial

14:29

incentive of like carving out that niche

14:32

for them to sell their books, to make a name for

14:34

themselves, to get notoriety, to create drama because

14:36

they're miserable inside. Whatever their

14:38

motivation will be, they're lying to you.

14:40

Okay, so don't trust the Edward Snowden

14:43

nonsense going into 2024. Meanwhile, according

14:47

to a morning consult poll, 9% of

14:50

voters see the Democratic party

14:52

as more ideologically extreme

14:55

than the Republican party, which

14:57

famously tried to violently overthrow

14:59

our democracy on January 6. And

15:01

right now is holding our government hostage

15:04

with a shutdown over funding

15:06

for Ukraine, which is ground

15:09

zero in the global fight of

15:11

democracy against fascism. Why

15:14

is that? Because the left and

15:16

democracy generally is losing

15:19

the information war. We're

15:21

now entering what I think we could

15:23

call a phase of hyper

15:26

normalization. And this is very

15:28

important that people understand this. Okay,

15:30

hyper normalization. In 2016,

15:33

we had the shock and awe of the Kremlin

15:36

helping Trump come to power. People

15:38

woke up to the fact that Oh, actually,

15:40

Ukraine does matter to the average voter

15:42

in America, because that has been the laboratory

15:45

of the Kremlin's aggression. And the same bag

15:47

of tricks they used to try to entrench and

15:49

further Kremlin power and corruption Ukraine they

15:52

used on us, the

15:54

American voter who famously

15:57

doesn't care about foreign policies and

15:59

big It's all about those pocketbook issues

16:02

and in creeps this extremely

16:05

well funded and extremely

16:07

wide reaching Kremlin attack

16:10

on our democracy that brought Ivanka,

16:12

Jared, and Trump and Bannon, the

16:14

white supremacist leader, into the

16:16

White House. And we've all lived without trauma

16:19

and that mass death ever since then. And

16:21

so that was the shock and awe moment. It woke up a lot

16:24

of people, it radicalized a lot of people, a

16:26

lot of people that never saw themselves as

16:28

congressional material suddenly started running

16:30

for office. 2018 was that

16:33

extraordinary turning point in our nation's history

16:35

where people fought back in a

16:37

meaningful way. And that blue wave of 2018 continues

16:41

to this day. People are still entering

16:43

politics. People are still becoming leading

16:46

organizers. It changed people's

16:48

lives. And unfortunately, I shouldn't have

16:50

ever gotten to that point, but here we are. As

16:53

that time went on, we raged against

16:55

normalization demanding impeachment, even

16:57

when Pelosi was shrugging it off. We

16:59

had an episode called impeached normalization.

17:02

But now with hyper normalization, the Kremlin

17:06

aligned party is increasing

17:09

its influence and the media isn't

17:12

covering it, the mainstream media. The mainstream

17:14

media continues to get Trump on

17:16

their channels, normalize Trump, call

17:19

him Mr. President. And

17:21

the mainstream media isn't explaining to

17:23

its listeners

17:25

how

17:26

deeply critical this moment

17:28

is where Russia has

17:31

furthest influence to such a point that

17:34

no one even bothers to talk about it anymore. It's

17:36

hyper normalization now. What does

17:39

that mean? What is hyper normalization? Well,

17:41

that term was coined by a Russian born

17:43

anthropologist named Alexei

17:45

Yurchok, who is at the University

17:47

of California, Berkeley. And he coined

17:49

it in his book, Everything Was Forever

17:52

Until It Was

17:53

No More,

17:54

which looks at the Soviet

17:56

generation as it was crumbling

17:59

to an inevitable collapse. And it described

18:01

how people continued on

18:04

as normal, even though the Soviet

18:06

system was collapsing all around them, because

18:09

no one could imagine an alternative.

18:12

And that behavior of going through

18:14

the motion created this self fulfilling

18:17

prophecy. That's where I feel

18:19

we are now in America, where

18:22

the Russian captured party can

18:25

threaten to shut down our entire government,

18:28

which has real world implications on

18:30

countless government employees, paying

18:32

their bills, putting food on the table to

18:35

national security issues, like

18:37

urgent national security issues. And no one's

18:39

really talking about that Kremlin

18:41

connection and how successful the Kremlin

18:44

has been in entrenching their influence.

18:46

Kevin McCarthy is part of that operation.

18:49

He's not held captured by the

18:51

Matt Gates is and the large marches, the Q

18:53

and on lady of Georgia, he is an

18:56

extension of them. That's why he didn't make

18:58

a deal with the devil. He is the devil.

19:00

He's part of that. Zelensky, for instance,

19:02

in his North American tour, wanted to address

19:04

Congress because this shutdown,

19:07

what are they holding us hostage over

19:09

funding for Ukraine? What are they beating

19:11

on about all the time on Fox News and a whole

19:13

right wing echo chamber? How it's Ukraine

19:16

is all one big grift, and it's all a corruption

19:19

racket. And why are we giving money to Ukraine

19:22

when Joe in Wisconsin is hurting

19:24

and so on? The reality is there's enough

19:26

to go around, especially then there's going

19:28

to be even more to go around if

19:31

the corporate class, the business

19:33

elite that are backing, especially

19:35

the Republican Party, fucking pay their taxes.

19:37

I mean, not only that, but pay

19:40

that wealth tax instead of funneling all their

19:42

dark money operations and trying to chip

19:44

away on our democracy. So they'll pay

19:46

even less than tax. Okay. Okay. So there's

19:48

plenty of money to go around. Victims

19:51

of fascism should not be pitted against

19:54

each other right now, but that is what

19:56

the disinformation operation on the

19:58

far right that

20:00

guy with daddy issues max blumenthal

20:03

city blumenthal kid who is

20:05

spouting all this information nonsense

20:07

like you're listening to wear

20:08

and assist anybody who would hear it

20:11

it would just think that ukraine

20:13

is just

20:13

one giant ponzi scheme and not an

20:15

actual genocide where children

20:18

are being brutally raped and front of their parents

20:20

and where people are being full on kidnapped

20:22

and forced into russia and never seen again of

20:25

a it is of it as a genocide by every definition

20:27

of genocide and it's something

20:29

that has a larger implications

20:31

or not chest ukraine in the

20:34

region but the world if russia is successful

20:36

there but you listen to

20:38

this far left radio and is

20:40

completely manipulated is completely one sided

20:43

yes criticize ukraine

20:45

where it comes to crops and i have done that to

20:47

the face of official government officials

20:50

have been a change largest

20:50

donors i called up corruption i'll

20:53

put pressure on even excludes

20:55

okay so it's not

20:57

about having some perfect victim right

20:59

no victim of any can

21:01

ever be perfect it's about are shared humanity

21:03

and fatty bar shared humanity and

21:06

anybody who just manipulate

21:08

few by focusing and inventing

21:11

and hyper ventilating

21:13

over all the extreme cherry

21:15

picking and twisting the facts and leaving

21:17

our all important context

21:19

that is a can of dehumanization

21:22

way it is dividing victims against

21:24

each other when we should be all united

21:27

in the sheriff eight so i'm telling you right

21:29

now the disinformation war

21:31

against the front line a global democracy

21:33

is winning you on musk succeeded

21:36

in this heat further accelerated

21:38

this you're going to see some

21:40

so called resistance accounts that used

21:42

to be really reliable in terms of their

21:44

own moral standings that used to be early

21:47

on ringing in the alarm of the authoritarian

21:49

threats and now they can't even bring themselves

21:52

to explain to their massive following

21:54

why lgbtq

21:56

rights matter because they know it's not gonna work

21:58

well with you on math algorithm they

22:01

can't even bring

22:01

themselves to explain

22:03

why the fight in ukraine

22:05

matters to you because they don't

22:07

want to get and up on the wrong side

22:09

of elon musks algorithm okay so

22:12

that's the way you how who to

22:14

trust right now in this moment

22:16

they're entering into of hyper normalization

22:18

is go to your favorite

22:21

so called resistance a cow a person that has

22:23

helped you get through the horrors

22:25

of the trump yours go to their accounts

22:27

and see how much they are centering

22:30

the shared fight for all of

22:32

us when it comes ukraine as lgbtq

22:35

way and just the most vulnerable communities

22:37

generally go to those accounts whether

22:39

they're even talking about as issues if they are

22:41

not the care more about making

22:44

money in this moment than they care about our

22:46

democracy and fighting for the most

22:48

vulnerable and the there for coming

22:50

to this moment of hyper normalization

22:52

whether they realize they are not that's why they call

22:54

it hyper normalization cause it's insidious

22:57

seats inside of you a lot of people that

22:59

morally compromised decisions and

23:01

order to does he care of themselves that's

23:03

a hard truth and reality that you're facing

23:06

right now or in things feel very dire

23:08

people just without burrow number one and

23:10

fab the vulnerable fuck the communities out

23:12

there and looking out for myself i

23:14

don't have time for you it's going to be demoralizing

23:17

at first when you realize

23:18

that the but

23:20

we all have to have open clear

23:22

eyed now for a reason for going to get through was

23:24

going to be a hellfire a year for all of us

23:26

and and actually protect our democracy

23:28

we have the know now who to trust who

23:31

is a real authoritarian expert and who's not

23:33

because the real authoritarian experts right now

23:35

are focusing on the number one front line from

23:38

the global fight between to maxing fascism which is

23:40

human rights and ukraine and ending a an aside

23:42

now and the ag sticky

23:45

issue that a lot on the left only want

23:47

to touch which is trans rights and we're going to

23:49

cover this issue as we go on because a lot

23:51

of people have to be called out there okay

23:53

liberation for anyone out there is liberation

23:55

for all of us giving is receiving okay

23:58

so i don't care if somebody that issues may make

24:00

people uncomfortable. If it makes you uncomfortable,

24:02

you may have to accept the fact that the

24:04

disinformation war being waged by the right may

24:06

be getting to you because it's everywhere. They

24:09

have the more powerful well-funded echo

24:11

chambers. And that is why we need to force these conversations

24:14

to fight back, okay, with scrappy

24:16

little independent media that we have. And that's what we're going to

24:18

do heading into 2024. Now

24:21

I want to finally wrap up this new

24:23

summary with the wonderful

24:25

John Federman. And thank you to the Gaslit

24:27

Nation community that came together. We made 15,000

24:29

phone calls

24:31

to Pennsylvania voters to get Federman

24:34

elected. And now he is fighting

24:37

to feed all children across America,

24:39

to wipe out the vicious

24:41

vileness of lunch, money,

24:44

debt, get all kids fed

24:46

out there. Biden and the progressives

24:48

tried to pass real structural

24:50

change with universal pre-K and

24:53

their big, big Build

24:55

Back Better plan, which they could

24:57

still fight for. And we can all fight for in

25:00

our states where we live. And of course, Manchin

25:02

and Sinema, who are mobbed up with

25:04

the genocidal corporate class, killed that.

25:06

But that should be a promise and that should be

25:09

a big leading part of the conversation by Biden's

25:11

team heading into 2024 because child

25:13

poverty rates are spiking now. And

25:16

John Federman has a solution for that. He's pushing

25:18

for feeding children across America and

25:20

wiping out lunch, money,

25:23

debt. Okay, that is just one important

25:25

thing that we need to build

25:28

this social safety net that we need

25:30

in America because it's just

25:32

a human right, having food on the table.

25:35

When a child is hungry, how can they learn? How

25:37

can they focus on school? How can they sleep? Are

25:39

we the fucking Soviet Union if we can't feed our children?

25:42

No. So thank God for Federman and thank

25:44

God for all of you Gaslit Nation listeners who showed

25:47

up and made phone calls for him with me. And

25:49

the reason I'm talking about Federman a lot because he's

25:51

the best. And also he's

25:53

showing Democrats how it's done.

25:56

They're going after him, the Republicans and

25:59

Republican mascot. Joe Manchin are going after

26:01

Federman for how he dresses in

26:03

the Congress, right? All these corporate

26:05

coal lobbyists how they dress I don't give a fuck about how they

26:07

dress. Okay, they're killing us. They're stabbing

26:10

us in the face I don't care if you're wearing a goddamn prom dress

26:12

while doing that Federman could wear

26:14

a freaking Budweiser Foam

26:17

hat as long as he shows up and he fights for

26:19

my children by throwing the box me I love him Okay,

26:21

and Federman is pushing back by writing

26:24

on Twitter if those jag offs

26:26

in the house Stop trying to shut down our

26:28

government and fully support Ukraine that

26:30

I will save democracy by wearing a suit

26:32

on the Senate floor next week That's

26:34

how you do it. That is what you say. That

26:36

is what we need from Democrats and all offices

26:39

across this land Thank you, John Federman

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28:05

And now without further ado, here's an excerpt of

28:08

our August 5th live taping with the

28:10

RISC Storytelling Podcast. Hello.

28:12

Hello, hello, hello.

28:13

Oh my gosh,

28:15

welcome. This is so exciting. This

28:17

is so different for both of us. Yes,

28:20

I never leave the house.

28:23

I want to thank you all for being here

28:26

on a Saturday afternoon in the middle

28:28

of August. I'm so humbled

28:30

and honored. I want to cry and hug you all.

28:33

I am a toucher.

28:34

I'm going to keep my

28:36

hands

28:36

to myself with my affection, but

28:39

just know that I love you and I'm so tremendously

28:41

grateful that you're here. You have no idea.

28:44

You have no idea.

28:46

Oh my gosh. I

28:49

know August, like so

28:51

many people just check out of New York

28:53

City period. We're here and we're going to

28:55

fight and we're going to win and we're going to do

28:57

amazing big things together. That's

28:59

the plan. We are. We are

29:02

the wave. We're

29:04

saving this place, God damn it. You

29:08

know, it's really funny. We were talking about

29:10

how our two podcasts,

29:12

RISC and Gaslight Nation, it

29:15

seems initially like a bit

29:17

of an odd couple, but in fact,

29:19

we are really great like sister podcasts

29:22

in so many ways. I was

29:24

telling Andrea that RISC

29:27

is the show where people tell true stories

29:30

they never thought they dare to share in public.

29:33

The stories are very uncensored. Some

29:35

are hilarious. Some are terrifying.

29:38

Some are kinky. They're just all over

29:40

the spectrum. But

29:43

around about 2016, for

29:45

some reason, I felt the need

29:47

to start being frank with the audience

29:50

about being concerned about

29:52

our democracy. I

29:55

started getting emails on a regular

29:57

basis from people saying, this is

29:59

uncensored.

31:59

Oh my gosh, this is incredible.

32:02

And now here we are. It was life changing for

32:04

me too because I started

32:06

Risk not really knowing how

32:08

to tell stories. I

32:10

have this philosophy that one should

32:13

learn by doing and then as quickly

32:15

as possible learn by teaching. So I

32:18

started Risk and then a couple months later I was

32:20

like, okay, I got this well enough now. Let's

32:23

start teaching it, which really helped me learn

32:25

even more about storytelling. And

32:27

I'm so honored to

32:29

realize you were in my

32:31

very, very first class. And

32:34

here we are now. Yeah, yeah. Fighting

32:37

Fascists, leading the resistance. But

32:42

you know, the main reason we're here

32:44

is because of this incredible new

32:46

book, Dictatorship, It's

32:48

Easier Than You Think. Oh

32:51

my gosh, I am so excited about

32:53

this. Is the book out

32:56

yet? It

32:57

came out in June. It

32:59

was a bestseller before it even launched.

33:02

It was announced and it became an instant bestseller. Amazing.

33:05

And that's because of Gaslight Nation. That's because of the community.

33:09

And there was no marketing. It was just us on the

33:11

show. It's coming. It's

33:13

coming. And we're really thrilled. It was something that we

33:15

wrote during the hellfire

33:17

year of 2020.

33:20

And I cannot believe we got through

33:22

it. And to give back one

33:24

point I want to make about the book, to sort of share the

33:26

secrets of storytelling that I learned from you, I

33:28

learned from life. When people approach

33:30

me that they want to write a screenplay, they want to write a

33:33

novel, they start with like, well, what's

33:35

your subject matter? And sometimes people

33:37

will say, well, I want to write. I want to get into the head of a psychopath.

33:40

I'm like, do you really?

33:42

The number one rule when you write a book

33:44

like this or any project, and again,

33:46

because you know, storytelling podcast, storytelling teacher,

33:49

and then the student

33:50

is becoming the teacher. But

33:52

the number one rule is you want to choose

33:54

a subject matter that you want to spend

33:56

time with. So all the years when

33:58

I was in the romantic of New York City

34:01

before I met my husband, Gareth Jones

34:03

was my imaginary boyfriend. He was

34:05

a nerdy, he was super hot, he was heroic,

34:07

he had this extraordinarily strong

34:10

moral streak that I wanted to cling to to make my

34:12

own way through life. And so he was hanging

34:15

out with me in my apartment in like

34:17

the far flung corners of Bushwick, it was Gareth

34:20

and I with Against the World. And

34:22

so with making this book dictatorship is

34:24

easier than you think, who would I wanna hang out with

34:27

during the hellfire of 2020 when Trump

34:29

is so obviously trying to

34:31

do more than that 45 page

34:34

indictment laid out, which is, you know, overthrow

34:36

our democracy in real time. We all lived through that, we all

34:38

watched it happening. And so

34:40

I wanted to hang out with Cary Grant.

34:42

I love Cary Grant. I

34:45

watched Arsenic

34:48

and Old Lace Every Halloween, it takes place in Brooklyn.

34:50

And so I wanted to cozy up with my boyfriend, Cary

34:52

Grant. So Cary Grant is

34:54

the wily narrator who takes

34:57

you on all the adventures of becoming and trying to stay a dictator.

34:59

Well, who else do I really love and admire? And that's

35:02

Stephen Colbert. And I remember when he had the

35:04

Colbert Report, which is where

35:06

he played that guy that got, one of the

35:08

sexual harassers at Fox News, Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly,

35:10

right. It was a funnier show than what he's doing now.

35:13

But it was, and so I wanted to hang out with the Colbert

35:15

Report. So that's what this book is,

35:17

it's Cary Grant meets

35:19

the Colbert Report. And so that's

35:23

my storytelling 101, write

35:25

stories featuring people that you actually

35:27

want to spend time with. Because that's what you're ultimately going

35:29

to be doing as a storyteller.

35:30

Oh my God, that backstory

35:33

is hilarious and amazing. Because one

35:35

of the things that so impressed

35:37

me about the book is that

35:40

as crucial as the

35:42

information in it is, it's very

35:46

entertaining, it's very compelling

35:49

and has a spirit of adventure

35:51

and fun about it, even though

35:53

it's about such- Ron DeSantis.

35:56

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

37:59

his own section for what he did at CNN

38:02

and helping bring Trump to power. It's

38:04

really going after all the enablers.

38:06

And what was really interesting is when

38:09

we did the final fact check, that's when

38:11

Putin unleashed his total war in Ukraine.

38:14

And you saw all of this viral

38:16

disinformation going around like J.J. Mearsheimer,

38:18

a political scientist at the University

38:21

of Chicago.

38:22

I had gaslet nation listeners sending me his viral

38:24

clip saying how its NATO's fault, this

38:27

horrific genocide in Ukraine

38:29

by Russia is obviously NATO's fault according to Mearsheimer,

38:32

who it turns out is like snorting

38:34

lines of coke, dark money.

38:37

He's connected to the coke political network. When

38:39

that was going around and gaslet nation listeners

38:42

were bringing me that clip saying what do you think of Mearsheimer? I'm

38:44

like, what Mearsheimer is saying could

38:46

only be true if Soviet history

38:48

did not happen. And the reason

38:50

why NATO expanded

38:52

is because the Russian Empire,

38:55

whether it's the Soviet Union or

38:57

the time of the Tsars, was always

38:59

imperialistic and they're always carrying out

39:01

their conquest through genocide, where

39:03

you come in and you liquidate the elite,

39:06

you come in and you murder anybody who's

39:08

trying to stand up to you, you use rape, systemic

39:11

rape as a weapon, and you take

39:13

people's homes and you force everyone

39:15

to speak Russian, think in Russian and their culture

39:17

is eradicated. That's what happened in the

39:20

Baltics. That's what happened in Poland. That's

39:22

what happened in Ukraine, as you see in Mr. Jones.

39:24

That is why all those countries scrambled

39:27

to try to get into NATO. It was to protect

39:29

themselves from future genocides because that was deeply

39:32

traumatic in their history. So

39:34

I did some changes last minute, which the editor

39:36

is like, damn. And

39:38

our amazing artist made some changes to

39:40

push those facts in

39:42

just to combat in real time the disinformation

39:44

that people on the far left and far right were spreading.

39:47

Well that is like the

39:49

most striking thing about not just

39:52

this book but your entire project

39:54

with Gaslit Nation is we

39:56

do live in this time in which disinformation

39:59

is So all

40:02

over the place, what would

40:04

you wish that the average American

40:07

who might tend to think of themselves

40:09

as being in the middle or maybe even

40:12

leaning a little bit, you know, that

40:14

they would ordinarily maybe

40:16

vote for Democrats, what do you

40:19

hope? The white moderate that MLK

40:21

talked about. Exactly. That

40:24

they start to pick up on more

40:27

in these coming years.

40:29

We're dealing with a whole new

40:31

science and psychology because of this information

40:33

is separating families. And

40:36

that's been going on in Ukraine for

40:39

years with the Kremlin disinformation.

40:41

And you have relatives in Russia

40:43

with, you know, Ukrainians getting their homes bombed and the

40:45

relatives in Russia are like, oh, that's not really happening.

40:48

And so it's not, it's a crisis that the whole

40:50

world is dealing with. And we're forced

40:53

to figure out how to live with this and protect

40:55

ourselves from it because it takes lives

40:58

as we saw with COVID, obviously. And

41:02

I think in this case, how do we get through

41:04

to the white moderate? I mean, MLK, you could

41:06

just hear the frustration in his voice when he was trying

41:08

to get through the white moderate. And

41:10

I will answer that by talking about the larger point of

41:13

this moment in history we all find ourselves in,

41:15

which is Trump, right? We've had

41:17

this indictment. It just came through. We're

41:20

grateful for something after Merrick Garland.

41:22

It's not going to ban him for running for president.

41:25

There's no 14th amendment triggered here. And there's

41:27

justification for that. That is, you know, we could

41:29

talk in another conversation, but we're

41:32

currently in this moment of time, he's running for president.

41:34

He's got a proudly fascist,

41:37

consolidated KKK base. And

41:40

he narrowly lost some of these key states the last

41:43

time around. It is as scary as it looks,

41:45

but there are some hopeful signs. And

41:48

one thing that people have to remember, what the white moderate

41:51

has to remember and what white people have to remind themselves

41:53

of is Trump's always been there. Since

41:55

the start of America, Trump has always been there.

41:57

Trump is the norm. Trump is the norm.

41:59

This is the latest Trump that

42:02

we're going up against. And it's absolutely

42:04

true. What the 1619 Project says is absolutely

42:07

true.

42:08

American history is authoritarian

42:10

history for non-white people. There

42:12

wasn't just a genocide of Native Americans. They're

42:14

also enslaved. And then, of course, you have

42:17

the Holocaust of slavery. And so all

42:19

the progress we have is communities

42:22

like Ukrainians are doing right now against

42:25

Russians, fighting for survival. All of our

42:27

rights that we have are the most vulnerable communities

42:30

fighting for their children, fighting for their survival.

42:33

I remember signs in Euromaidan in the 2013

42:35

revolution. You

42:37

had a mom out in the square where the riot police

42:39

were going to come with their batons. And she had

42:41

just had a simple sign that said,

42:43

Ukraine is my child. Ukraine is my

42:45

child. We owe all of our rights

42:47

to people like that who

42:49

said, this is my child. This is what I'm fighting for.

42:52

And so to the white moderates out there, they

42:54

just have to understand that this has always been

42:56

here. Trump's always been here. But

42:59

now he's going to come after you too.

43:02

Because of climate change, the pandemics are going to be more

43:04

frequent, right? And the diseases are going to

43:06

be spreading among us. Because of climate

43:09

change, you're going to have flooding and homes and

43:11

all sorts of things. And understand that you need

43:13

someone in charge that believes

43:15

in good governance, who believes in stability. Because

43:18

if you have a fascist in power, he doesn't

43:20

care if you live or die. If you have

43:22

somebody who is completely bought

43:24

off, like some of these centrist

43:27

Democrats, like the Christian Cinemas and

43:29

Manchin being the most extreme examples of those,

43:31

but there's other centers that fly under the radar.

43:34

If you have somebody who is just short-sighted,

43:37

cashing in, selling us out, thinking

43:40

that they're just going to escape into their pot in the

43:42

sky or to New Zealand, that's not a thing. It's

43:45

not possible. What they have to understand

43:47

is that if we don't all rally right now

43:49

and come together as a community and fortify

43:52

our communities and stay engaged and fight like hell,

43:54

it's going to be game over

43:56

for civilization. And what we're up

43:58

against is really an enduring.

43:59

test.

44:00

I know all of us want to go on our vacations.

44:03

We all want to check out an absolutely trillion

44:05

percent do that because that's what we need you to do to

44:07

stay going because we need us all to do

44:10

more self-care and take care of ourselves. But the

44:12

one thing I ask of everyone here, whatever

44:14

your background is, whatever your experience

44:16

is, as we get towards the next spring,

44:19

start warming up, start doing your stretches, start

44:21

reading your inspiration, make your inspiration board, print

44:24

out MLK, go to the Gaslit Nation

44:26

action guide. I go back to MLK

44:28

all the time because the

44:29

civil rights movement faced off with actual

44:32

authoritarianism. They put their lives on

44:34

the line. People died for those rights.

44:36

Mm-hmm. That's where we are now. So

44:38

if you go to the Gaslit Nation action guide, the very first

44:40

book is written by a young MLKs in his 20s

44:43

and it's a case study on how he did the

44:45

Montgomery bus boycott and that's such a spiritual

44:48

text. It's so practical, pragmatic. He

44:50

opens it telling you like, here's where my ideas

44:53

came from. Here are all the leading thinkers I turned

44:55

to for inspiration. Here's why some didn't work with

44:57

me, like Mark.

44:58

He's like, no, I don't believe that the

45:00

end is just by the means. You don't kill millions of people

45:02

to try to build utopia on earth. It doesn't work that way. And

45:04

then he talks about, now here's how to be a manager.

45:07

Here's how to build teams and coalitions. Here's

45:09

how to keep your ego in check. Here's what to do when

45:11

you're tired. We opened the Gaslit

45:13

Nation action guide with that book for that very

45:15

reason. That is a hand to hold. I go

45:18

back to that book all the time when I'm, when my

45:20

soul feels depleted. That book's there

45:22

for a reason. And so what I'm asking everyone

45:24

in this room to do, what I'm asking myself to do, what I'm

45:26

gonna be doing alongside with you, and my

45:29

husband's gonna get dragged into this too like he always does,

45:31

you know, watching the kids so I can be with you, is

45:33

we're going to do what we can wherever

45:36

we are with whatever we have, whatever your strengths

45:38

are, whatever you have in you,

45:39

you know, stretch yourself, make

45:41

some phone calls, knock on doors, write

45:43

some postcards, write some letters. You

45:45

can absolutely do it. And it's such an

45:47

amazing thing once you get in the swing of it.

45:49

In the last midterm election, which

45:52

is good news, what happened in the last midterms

45:54

was wonderful news for us.

45:56

No election denier won a

45:58

single big

45:59

office in any of the key states we need to win

46:02

to protect the electoral college. We fortified

46:04

the blue wall. We won big in

46:06

Arizona. We protected ourselves.

46:08

We did what we had to do in the last

46:11

midterm elections to have a stronger

46:13

chance in 2024. We're good. We

46:16

did some really good work that we're going to be able to build off

46:18

of in big ways in We

46:20

flipped the Pennsylvania House. We put a

46:22

lot of fortifications into our democracy

46:24

and the all-important state level. That's our community.

46:27

Gaslit Nation got together and we had several

46:29

get out the vote events. We made several

46:32

tens of thousands of phone calls to some of these key

46:34

races, including 90,000 phone calls for

46:36

Senator Warnock and Georgia. We

46:39

did that together. I with, you

46:41

know, baby and a toddler and

46:44

this job and all sorts of things and

46:47

all sorts of stress just like you, I made

46:49

over a thousand phone calls. I

46:51

made over a thousand phone calls. And

46:54

I'm telling you, as someone who's shy and introverted

46:56

and thank God for these

46:58

lights that can hardly see you guys,

47:00

it's a really scary

47:02

thing to pick up a phone and call a complete

47:04

stranger who has a million other things they'd rather

47:06

be doing than talking to you. You

47:08

get those calls. You hang up on those people all the time,

47:11

just like me. It's a numbers game. It's a volume

47:13

of business. And so as you go through

47:15

your calls, you're always going to reach that

47:17

one person that desperately needs to talk to you

47:19

because they're scared, because they're in some

47:21

corner of Arizona and they're gay

47:24

and they're scared and they're worried about genocide

47:26

towards people like them. And you're going to find

47:28

that person and uplift them and give them a shot

47:30

of courage. That's what you're making those phone calls

47:32

for, to reach the Americans across

47:35

the country who are scared just like you

47:37

and need to hear your voice. And it's

47:39

an extremely powerful thing and it makes an

47:41

impact. And it is how we

47:43

were able to win as much as we

47:45

did in the midterms. And we're going to have to do that all

47:48

over again. And we're going to do it together.

47:50

You are such an

47:52

inspiration. Doc, you are. I'm

47:55

here because of you. remember

48:01

turning to the podcast and

48:03

to the page you had on your website

48:05

with the guide for activism around

48:07

the election as a support

48:10

and I also have to say

48:12

that the activism that I did get

48:15

involved with around the George Floyd

48:17

period and then the last election

48:20

really did become like

48:22

a spiritual sort of experience

48:25

for me really was inspiring

48:27

exactly the black trans

48:29

lives matter March that we did

48:32

in Brooklyn in the summer of 2020 was

48:34

one of the most beautiful

48:36

experiences I've ever had you know

48:39

to see how community I have

48:41

a friend who's an activist who always uses

48:43

the phrase we keep us safe

48:46

and that's what it's all about that's

48:48

incredible and we're

48:49

ultimately going to win we're ultimately

48:51

going to win because we just are I mean I

48:54

look to Ukraine a lot for guidance

48:56

because it's a country that should not exist after all

48:58

the genocide and Chernobyl everything that's faced

49:01

and the resilience there the defiance

49:03

there they didn't expect the world

49:05

to come to their aid they really did not because

49:08

that's been the track record Angela Merkel

49:10

led a policy of appeasement of Russia for

49:12

so long that allowed the Russians to get entrenched

49:14

like they did and gave Putin the green light

49:16

to go total war and so the Ukrainians

49:19

really excellency stating he

49:21

is thinking I'm on my own I'm gonna and that's

49:24

very Ukrainian

49:26

and a lot of that country's idea

49:29

of self and resilience and defiance

49:31

comes from their artists because artists

49:33

are subversive like when you're doing art

49:36

right you're fearless it's a spiritual

49:38

practice you're just speaking with a higher mind

49:41

and the very idea of Ukraine

49:43

has existed for centuries through its leading

49:45

thinkers with artists you had these young

49:47

hipster kids out on the square

49:50

and you're oh my god

49:51

and the big revolution for dignity holding

49:53

up placards of like Ukraine's Walt Whitman

49:55

to Rasha of shanko like Ukraine's like less

49:57

you'll paint it was a big-time feminist playroom

51:59

So when the whole world was falling

52:02

apart, my sister very calmly, very

52:04

coolly knowing that she had stuck

52:07

her neck out so publicly that there's now

52:09

a big target on her head. She

52:11

drafted, cool, collected,

52:13

just drafted a memo,

52:15

you know, saying the Russians are here, here's what they did.

52:17

We got to audit the vote. We got to look at the disinformation.

52:19

This is the narrative they're pushing. Here's how they

52:21

did it. Paul Manafort is central

52:24

to all this. Just typed it all up. And

52:26

she's such a private person. She's not a cable

52:28

news talking head. She's not a self promoter. She's

52:31

had Rachel Maddis, producer, trying to get her back

52:33

in the day, like 60 minutes. Everyone wanted a piece

52:36

of her. She's not that person for

52:38

her to break ranks and go from being a very private

52:40

side individual to then taking this memo,

52:43

very calmly, coolly putting on a Facebook where it

52:45

went viral, where then Sarah and I blasted

52:47

it out with our followings to make it go viral. She

52:50

launched the resistance to Trump that minute when

52:52

she did that. And they punished her for

52:54

it. They relentlessly put her through hell.

53:01

And I'm going to change

53:03

the subject. I just want to say that

53:05

update on her is that she,

53:08

because of all that she went through, she

53:10

packed up her family and relocated to Australia.

53:13

Oh, wow. Yeah.

53:16

Yeah. Oh my goodness. Well,

53:21

here's to her. American

53:23

hero, American patriots.

53:37

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