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Hello, and welcome to geek history lesson.
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I am Jason Alba Superman's ages
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in men. I am Ashley Victoria Robinson.
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Welcome to your Mind University because you have
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stumbled onto the podcast where we take one character,
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contractor, or super person from pop culture.
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And teach you everything you need to know about it
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in about an hour except this week doing
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something completely
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different.
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This one, this is what we might call
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our first mega episode.
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Done. Done. Yeah. So Transfer.
1:04
Very soon, possibly next
1:06
week. You're gonna hear, you know, a
1:08
new episode called Superman the Dark Age
1:10
was gonna cover Superman from nineteen eighty five
1:12
to the year two thousand. Now this is part of a
1:14
series that we've done. And
1:16
we thought instead of asking new listeners
1:19
to go back into our feed, to dig through our feed
1:21
and listen to our three
1:23
previous Superman's we
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would put them all together for your
1:29
convenience into one
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giant massive episode. So this
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episode because at the time of this
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recording, I have no idea what I'm gonna call this. I'm just
1:37
throwing that out there right
1:38
now. Future Jason is gonna figure out
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the title of this. I I I'm very excited
1:42
to see what
1:43
future facing comes up with. This is smart
1:44
guy. But sometimes, do
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you think he's gotten smarter over the years of this podcast?
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think so.
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He's gotten more super. I know that. Oh, sure.
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So in this episode
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is episode 108 Superman's
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the Golden Age. Mhmm. Episode
2:01
207, Superman the
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Silver Age. Mhmm. In episode
2:06
three fifty Superman the
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Bronze Age. Now I also did not
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do good, and I didn't look it up the years of
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this. But episode 108 is in
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our year of the
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Mhmm. So you're gonna get to hear
2:17
past It's gonna be a really
2:19
interesting documentary.
2:20
Evolution of editing -- Yeah. -- and some
2:23
quality in our microphones. Yeah.
2:25
We explain basically Superman's
2:27
entire history from nineteen thirty
2:29
eight to nineteen
2:31
seventy all in one episode, and it'll be a
2:33
perfect primer for an upcoming episode,
2:36
Superman the Dark Age nineteen eighty five to two thousand
2:38
again. These characters are so big, Superman's, such
2:40
a large character that we had to break up
2:42
his history because he's a character that deserves
2:44
nothing
2:44
us. There you
2:44
go.
2:45
So it's gonna this is gonna be fun. This
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also easily with this sort of recasting, it's gonna be
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this is gonna be like a three hour
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episode. So we have longest episode.
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Enjoy it while you make it cross country trip.
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Yeah. Yeah. Enjoy and enjoy past
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Ashley, enjoy the the past references
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to, like, the twenty seventeen. You
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know, something like that. Yeah. Enjoy that.
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Any other things you think we should say about Superman the
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Golden Age, Superman the Silver
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Age, and Superman the Bronze Age.
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They're great episodes. I
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think so. And
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they're always we kept doing. And they're consistently
3:13
so you will beloved them when you listen to
3:15
them. Alright. So take yourself up up
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and away, enjoy past a
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enjoy past Jason and
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tolerate a GHL. As
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a couple of these episodes existed
3:27
before the employment of intern
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cat breakup. That's true.
3:31
So I I think Golden Age and Silver Age existed
3:33
before intern cap. Mhmm.
3:35
I don't know how we made the podcast without him
3:37
back then. And I think you will be able to hear the
3:39
difference.
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Definitely for sure.
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Yep. So go up up and away. And
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fly into our
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histories from the past. Enjoy.
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Hello, and welcome to Geek History lesson.
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I'm Jason. Krypton is
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blown up in men. I am Ashley Victoria
4:00
Robinson, and welcome to your Mind University because
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you have stumbled onto the podcast where we
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take one character our last son of
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Krypton from popular culture and teach you everything that
4:09
you need to know about them in about an
4:10
hour. And today, we are finally finally
4:13
tackling the Man of Steel himself.
4:15
That's right. This little known hero known
4:17
as Superman's, many people I don't think read
4:19
his comics anymore. Mhmm. But
4:22
We're finally tackling him. He's been requested
4:24
for a long time. We've got a hundred and eight
4:26
episodes about talking about the Man of Steel.
4:28
Superman one of my favorite superheroes of
4:30
all time because I'm from his home state.
4:32
And we're kinda talking about him because we're in
4:34
the middle of Batman v Superman's
4:36
hysteria. Yeah. We sure are. Which mainly
4:38
exists in Ohio. I've heard. Oh, yeah.
4:41
Midwest. They love this. You know, I
4:43
actually know a state of Kansas. Actually, my home
4:45
state is going about Batman and Superman.
4:47
Hey, go beyond this. They
4:48
are. They love wheat, and they love their
4:50
Superman, and they love you. So
4:53
before we start this podcast about Superman,
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You may be wondering why are we calling this
4:58
Superman the Golden Age? I
5:00
don't know
5:00
if you're wondering this at all. Why
5:02
are you calling the Golden Age. Well,
5:04
I'm glad you finally asked, Ashley. And
5:06
that is because Superman is
5:08
such a character with a huge history,
5:10
seventy five five years, over seventy five
5:12
years now. Wow, of history. And we
5:14
don't want to summarize or
5:17
leave out any part of it. So
5:19
we're really only covering the golden
5:21
age of and we're gonna explain what the
5:23
golden age means in just a second, but
5:25
to really give you a
5:27
timeline we are covering the
5:29
adventures of Superman in his history
5:31
from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen
5:34
fifty six. Alright. So that's about eighteen
5:36
years. That's right. Now There will be
5:38
more History lessons in the future.
5:40
We
5:40
will dance relief. All of his history up
5:43
to current day, but to
5:45
actually let you understand and
5:47
learn this is the way we have to do
5:48
it. We wanna
5:49
we wanna marinate in the Superman history.
5:51
Exactly. So let me tell you what I
5:53
meant by the golden age. Please do.
5:55
Now, the golden age is a
5:57
marker of time in comic book history if you don't
5:59
know. There's the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age,
6:01
the modern age. Haven't quite decided what
6:03
the age is we're in now. The post
6:05
modern age? I've heard, like, it's maybe the post modern age. Some
6:07
people call it the digital age, and maybe the digital
6:09
age starts in the Nu fifty two. I
6:12
don't know. Doesn't matter.
6:12
I think it gets decided down the line. But anyways, we're talking
6:14
about the golden age. Cool. Because we're not in anymore,
6:17
and we talk about it. Now The
6:20
beginning of the Golden Age is cited to
6:22
be the nineteen thirty eight debut of
6:24
Superman in action
6:25
comics, number one. Oh,
6:26
well, that's convenient. Yes. Now of
6:29
course, actual comics number one was published
6:31
by detective comics. They've,
6:33
of course, the predecessor of DC comics.
6:35
That's kinda where DC comes from. Get it. Golly
6:38
g. Yep. And the Golden Age ended with the
6:40
beginning of the silver age of comics, which
6:42
is generally recognized as
6:44
the beginning of the debut of
6:46
the first successful new superhero since
6:48
the Golden Age, which is actually the flash
6:50
when he showed up in showcase number four
6:52
in October of nineteen fifty six. That
6:55
berry Allen, though. Yep. Now
6:57
because that happened in the mid nineteen fifties,
7:00
the silver age anyways -- Mhmm. -- because
7:02
Superhero comics declined after World War
7:04
two. And the
7:06
end of the Golden Age of comics, the editors of
7:08
DC decided to revive some of their Golden
7:10
Age superheroes with completely new
7:12
origins and backstories. Hence why the
7:14
flash went from being j, Garret, to Barry Allen.
7:16
Yes. And just to let you know,
7:18
there were actually two versions of Superman's
7:20
the DCU during the nineteen fifties. Were
7:22
there really -- Yes. -- awesome. Yeah. Because it
7:24
was retroactively declared that the version
7:26
of Superman that was published between nineteen
7:29
thirty eight and the early nineteen fifties
7:31
lived on Earth two --
7:33
Oh. -- while comics featuring Superman
7:36
published since the mid fifties, took
7:38
place on Earth one. However,
7:42
since Superman is one of several
7:44
DC characters that has been continuously
7:47
published, Now, let that sink
7:49
in. There has never
7:51
been a period of time since
7:54
nineteen thirty eight when
7:56
there wasn't a Superman title being
7:57
published. That
7:58
is very, very impressive. It's I
8:01
there's very few heroes that well, there is no other
8:03
hero that has that legacy. Of nineteen
8:05
thirty eight. I mean, Batman's got it with nineteen thirty nine. Yes.
8:07
But there you go. So
8:10
since they never stopped publishing Superman during
8:12
the fifties, even though superheroes declined, there
8:15
isn't a clear dividing line between
8:17
Earth one and Earth two Superman.
8:19
So several stories published in the mid
8:21
fifties, nineteen fifties, took place on Earth
8:23
one, whereas in other
8:24
words, Brexit actually took place on Earth
8:26
two, and nobody really quite knows. And
8:29
Dude, that's my but it doesn't matter. We
8:31
again, we are going to focus on the Avengers: Superman
8:33
from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen
8:35
fifty
8:35
six. Cool. So now,
8:38
We can
8:38
hop into the first section of our podcast,
8:41
The Tencent Origin. And the Tencent
8:43
Origin is where we tell you all the cliff
8:45
notes, all the basic info, all
8:47
of the who and the what's in the lives of this character
8:49
in case you go to a really cool cocktail party for
8:51
Batman and B Superman's
8:52
like, yo, what's up with this super Yes.
8:54
In the Golden Age. In the go specifically in
8:56
the Golden Age. Now his real name is
8:58
cow l, that's dash with an l, no
9:01
e. The e was dropped retroactively when
9:03
it was decided that this was an Earth two
9:05
character. Mhmm. His other name is Clark
9:07
Kent. His Earth name, he was created
9:09
by Jerry Siegal and Joe
9:11
Shuster. His relatives are
9:13
Jorel, his birth father, Lorel,
9:15
his birth mother, John Kent,
9:17
Mary Kent, Lois
9:19
Lane Kent who eventually became his
9:21
wife. Lucille
9:23
Lane Tomkins, sister-in-law. George
9:25
Tomkins was a brother-in-law. Power Girl
9:27
was his cousin, Zoriel was
9:29
his uncle, and a Laura in
9:32
z was his aunt. And his
9:34
affiliations are the Justice Society of America, and
9:36
the all star squadron. And
9:38
his base of operations is Metropolis
9:40
and the secret
9:41
sanctuary, I will tell you more about the secret sanctuary later. Oh,
9:43
I'm excited. his first appearance, of course,
9:45
was in probably the most famous comic
9:47
book of all time, action comics
9:49
number
9:49
one, June of nineteen thirty eight, also the
9:52
most valuable comic book of all time.
9:53
Easily. Yeah.
9:54
So let's go to the meet cute
9:57
section. The meet cute section of the podcast
9:59
is a term that we saw from romantic comedy writing where
10:01
we tell you the first time we met this character
10:03
and how cute it
10:03
was. Now since this is
10:06
the golden age, Superman,
10:08
Ashley, I have a specific instance where
10:12
I met the golden age Superman. I
10:14
wanna I wanna change this instead of asking you where
10:16
you first met Superman. I wanna
10:18
ask you Have you ever read
10:20
action comics number one?
10:23
No. Never. No.
10:24
Have you ever read any of the golden
10:26
age They've early Superman
10:28
stories? No.
10:29
None
10:29
of them. No. Never. Okay.
10:31
This is a you have nothing. Okay. I've I
10:33
read Superman number seventy six, which
10:35
is the first time that he meets
10:37
Batman. There you
10:38
go. So that
10:40
that would be that would be the only one.
10:42
Well, I have read action comics number one
10:45
actually got to read it in late
10:47
junior high, one of my last years of junior
10:49
high because my friend, his
10:51
name was Dennis. He wasn't he's
10:53
not a cool dude. Okay. By the time I thought he's a
10:55
cool dude. And he had these giant
10:57
archive editions of action
10:59
comics number one and Batman
11:01
number one. And they were huge. They
11:03
were like, like, two feet by,
11:05
like, a foot. It was in feet. Wow. But
11:07
they
11:07
were, like, really trying to torn up. But, I mean, at the
11:09
time, I thought they were the legit deal. I thought
11:11
they were the real deal. And I'm
11:12
sure he led you believe that they were the real dick. Well, I'm certain you
11:15
showed up. That's why Dennis is not a good dude.
11:17
But that's how I read action comics
11:19
and Batman number one for the very first
11:20
time. That's
11:21
really cool. Okay.
11:22
So let's hop into history 101.
11:25
Yes. The main meat of a lesson where
11:27
we dive deep into
11:29
the Kryptonian realms and the crystals
11:32
of goldenate Superman. Alright.
11:34
So first, we're gonna talk about the
11:36
real world history of Superman before we
11:38
go to the fictional history. In
11:40
nineteen thirty three, Jerry Siegal
11:42
wrote a short story called Rain of the
11:44
Superman. Now in
11:46
that story, a vagrant gets
11:48
psychic power and uses them to pro for
11:50
profit only to lose them
11:52
again and become a vagrant again because he
11:54
and at the same
11:55
time, he's very ashamed that how he
11:57
misused his powers.
11:58
Well, morality tales are
12:00
important. Later in nineteen thirty
12:02
three, he developed another hero
12:04
called Superman's. Or another
12:06
character, this one is actually a hero. And
12:08
it had some of the elements that we
12:11
know, the names Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and
12:13
so on. But he was
12:15
merely a strong man and
12:17
had no Superman's and no
12:19
costume. Okay. Now a strong man course
12:21
is the guy in the tight tights with the big mustache,
12:23
the superhero, the the circus strong
12:25
man's one.
12:25
Yeah. Yeah. Who sometimes lifts trap sword weights.
12:26
Yep. So Siegel had
12:29
Joe Shuster draw that story
12:31
up into a comic, and they submitted it to
12:33
several companies, but they kept getting turned
12:35
down. Aw. Segal first
12:37
thought, it was because the companies
12:39
didn't think that Schuster was a good enough
12:41
artist. So What am
12:43
thickening of things? A little bit.
12:45
So Siegel wanted to fire him. And
12:48
when Schuster found out about this, he
12:50
responded by burning the
12:52
strong man comic book and only sparing
12:54
the cover. Wow. That's a
12:56
totally rock and roll way to react. I love it.
12:58
So Siegel made another Superman comic
13:00
with another artist named Russell
13:02
Keaton. And in this comic, Superman
13:04
further evolved, except this
13:06
is kinda neat. I didn't know this.
13:08
I've never heard this before. In this story,
13:11
earth is in the far future. And
13:13
it's about to explode. And the last
13:16
surviving man since his child
13:18
back in time to nineteen thirty
13:20
five where he's adopted by Sam and
13:22
Molly Kent. This
13:24
child has great strength and bulletproof
13:26
skin, and they teach him to use his
13:28
powers for good. He can't fly or
13:30
anything like that, but he's a time travel baby.
13:32
However, this comic was also -- Double
13:33
Bayhill. -- this comic was also
13:36
rejected by several companies as well.
13:38
Mhmm. It's so there's
13:40
many elements, though, that you can see from the
13:42
classic Stormwind
13:43
origins. Very interesting. Now Segal
13:45
eventually reunited with Schuster, And
13:47
at the time they both got jobs with national
13:50
allied publications -- Mhmm. -- which
13:52
at the time had expressed interest
13:54
in Superman's. They began to develop the
13:56
concept more and the familiar
13:58
costume showed up, the alien
14:00
nature, Superman became part of the story, and then
14:02
they submitted Superman to a company
14:04
called detective comics. The detective
14:06
comics loved it, and
14:08
Siegel and Schuster sold all the rights to
14:10
Superman to detective comics for at the
14:12
time a hundred and
14:14
thirty
14:14
dollars. Now, adjusted for
14:17
inflation, that is two thousand and
14:19
two hundred dollars today. That's
14:21
still for a character that became
14:23
as iconic as Superman did. I
14:25
mean, that's
14:26
nothing. That's that's
14:29
insane. It's very low, I
14:31
think. Yeah. Which
14:33
because I honestly think you could make the argument
14:35
for Superman being the most famous character of all time.
14:37
You could. Definitely good. His symbol actually is in the
14:39
top five symbols of
14:41
recognized worldwide. Yeah. Along
14:43
with
14:43
the Coca Cola from. And the crucifix.
14:46
Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
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16:31
And thus, they were off to the
16:32
races, and now we can jump into the fictional
16:34
history of Superman. Let's
16:36
do it. Now Superman was born cowell
16:38
of the planet Krypton. His
16:40
father was an esteemed scientist, Jor Elle, and
16:42
his mother was a librarian named
16:44
Laura. I like that.
16:45
Yep.
16:46
While Kalel was still a toddler, his
16:48
father discovered that the planet Krypton
16:50
or as Marlon Brando says
16:51
it, Krypton. Well The
16:53
planet Krypton. The planet
16:56
Krypton. It's an acting choice. Heated
16:57
on the brink of absolute destruction.
16:59
Whoo. Realizing that there was not enough time
17:01
to save everyone on the planet. He'd deposited
17:03
his son inside a specifically designed rocketship
17:06
and launched him into outer space
17:08
to earth directly because he
17:10
knew that earth would give his son
17:12
powers, And as Calo's rocket, of course,
17:14
broke through the atmosphere, Krypton, Krypton
17:16
exploded. I like that you said he deposited
17:18
his son. Like, as I just imagined,
17:20
like, this giant man, like dropping a
17:23
baby into a
17:23
rocket. He's like, yeah. He's the man of steel. He'll be Well,
17:26
the interesting
17:26
thing about this is that he's not an
17:29
No.
17:29
He's a he's a toddler. So he's a little less breakable. Because
17:31
that will change later on. Mhmm.
17:33
After flying through space for an undetermined
17:35
amount of time, they do not reveal how
17:37
long it takes. Which I kinda I have always liked that in
17:39
Superman origins. I like the fact that there is
17:41
the possibility that Kraton
17:44
might have exploded
17:46
in Earth timeline, like somewhere
17:49
in the middle ages.
17:50
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and
17:51
because of time dilation and traveling
17:53
faster in light, that's why Superman doesn't
17:56
bait. You could also make the argument for, like, he
17:58
could be in stasis when he's inside the ship
18:00
for all we know Christian's very advanced.
18:02
Sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've always liked that. I like the idea
18:04
that Krypton was, like, way. Like, he he was
18:06
in space for a long time. Science.
18:09
Yep. Now, his rocket crashed in a
18:11
small community named Smallville.
18:13
Notice how I did not say
18:15
Kansas. That will come later
18:17
and possibly another geek history
18:18
lesson. Just a
18:21
place called Smallville. Cool.
18:23
Though at first he was placed in an
18:26
orphanage. Oh. Yeah. Cal
18:28
was soon adopted by the kents and given the
18:30
name Clark. And over time, he discovered his
18:32
many powers. And during his tanger
18:34
years, Clark met his strange
18:36
visitor from another
18:38
universe. His own
18:39
counterpart, Superboy of
18:42
Earth one. And
18:43
this is
18:44
where the Red Khan started with
18:46
it. Oh, oh, guy. The more experienced Superboy from Earth
18:48
one helped train Clark in the use of his
18:51
powers. And during this period, Clark briefly
18:53
worked as a circus strong man
18:55
under identity of the masked
18:57
wonder. That's
18:57
a that's a cute little callback to
19:00
the origins of the character. Yep. Him working as
19:02
strongly. I like that.
19:02
Now Mary Ma Kent later
19:05
died. Now, notice it's Mary, not Martha.
19:06
I did notice that. And when
19:09
John Pawke Kent was on his
19:11
deathbed, he made Clark promise to use
19:13
his powers for the good of mankind.
19:15
Now Clark's father calls Clark
19:18
a Superman's, inspiring
19:21
Clark in the use of his
19:23
name. And so
19:25
Clark Clark takes his
19:27
father's advice and creates the identity
19:29
of Superman.
19:29
That's lovely. That's interesting that, you
19:32
know, basically from his inception that
19:34
Superman's reverence and respect for his parents and the values
19:36
that they instilled in him is what keeps him
19:38
on the right
19:38
track. Exactly.
19:39
Exactly that. Because he could break the planet in
19:41
half. Right. If
19:42
if he man, they must have What else do you need?
19:44
He need your He'll be able to this Superman can't.
19:46
Well because I'm gonna to
19:48
his powers here very Okay. Now Clark
19:50
quickly earned himself a job as a reporter at
19:52
the daily star, not the
19:55
daily planet. After turning
19:57
in a story about Superman's first public
19:59
act. Well, he's
20:00
just writing his own coattails to the
20:03
top. Yep. But despite Superman's
20:05
honorable intentions, Superman
20:07
was not initially considered a hero and
20:09
was in fact regarded as a
20:12
vigilant entity working outside of the law -- Gasp. --
20:14
and the legal authorities many
20:16
times fired at him and tried to
20:18
arrest him. While Wow. Many of his
20:20
earliest public actions showed Kallel
20:22
engaging in aggressive actions
20:24
against wife beaters. These
20:26
are some of Superman's first villains.
20:28
Okay. Wife beaters, slum
20:30
lords, social criminals, corrupt
20:34
politicians, corrupt cops, and
20:36
mobsters. So this is nineteen
20:37
thirty eight.
20:38
Is it nineteen thirty eight? It's
20:39
surprisingly progressive even by today's
20:42
standards. Just just we'll get
20:44
to how progressive it is once I started going
20:46
summaries here we go. Okay. Now to show
20:48
you how different this Superman is,
20:50
I thought it would be nice to
20:52
summarize the first ten issues of
20:55
Superman's first ten stories. Okay. And
20:57
to show you how crazy this Superman
20:59
kinda is compared to what we think of
21:02
as Superman. Okay. Now this is the Superman that
21:04
became so popular that it
21:06
created a second Solo title for
21:08
him and led to Superman being
21:10
continuously published for over seventy five
21:12
years. Now at the time -- Yes.
21:14
-- characters
21:14
really didn't get solo titles. No.
21:17
That's very
21:17
true. So one of
21:20
the first. He might be the first. I'm not certain
21:22
about that. So here we go. So here we go. Here's the
21:24
summaries of the first ten Superman
21:26
stories. Now also notice I did
21:28
not say the first ten issues of
21:30
action comics. I did notice that
21:32
in fact. Okay. Here we go. Action
21:34
comics issue number one. Okay. It
21:36
starts with a one page explanation of
21:38
Superman's power. He can leap one
21:40
eighth of a mile or a twenty story
21:42
building. Wow. And again, notice that he
21:44
said he did he can't
21:44
fly. He can leaping is pretty
21:46
impressive. And nothing it says in the
21:49
text nothing less than a bursting
21:51
shell can penetrate his skin, so he's not
21:53
completely invulnerable. But
21:55
close enough. He's for for nineteen thirty eight
21:57
times, he's he's a he's a Mac truck.
22:02
So Alright.
22:05
So here we go. Oh, such an America metaphor.
22:07
So in the issue, Superman shows up
22:09
to the governor's mansion. They never say what state, but
22:11
the governor. Yeah. Naturally. The
22:14
attendant tells him that the governor is
22:16
is sleeping and he can't see
22:18
him. And the superman breaks down the door and he's
22:20
like, I'll see him. Now But he
22:23
stopped at the governor's door, which
22:25
is actually made of steel for some reason.
22:28
And Superman's the governor because the Superman
22:30
breaks that door down too.
22:33
He he tells he tells the
22:35
governor that he has evidence that will
22:37
save a woman that is going to be executed
22:39
in less than fifteen
22:39
minutes. Oh, he's
22:40
like, that's why I broke into your house and friend
22:42
your man served. Yeah. The governor looks at these
22:45
papers and calls the prison and gets her
22:47
sentence immediately commuted. The next next day
22:49
at The Daily Star, the
22:51
editor wants Kent to find out about this
22:53
And then a tip on the phone comes
22:55
in The Daily Star about a wife beating that is
22:57
in progress. Wow. So
22:59
Clark runs off and
23:01
Superman runs into the apartment on the wife
23:03
beating as Superman punches the husband
23:06
saying to the husband as the husband is flying
23:08
through the air. You're not fighting
23:10
a woman now. Okay.
23:14
Clark returns to his office
23:16
after thoroughly beating the wife beater
23:19
-- As you should -- -- and nervously asked
23:21
Lois out for a date. Lois,
23:23
of course says yes. And
23:25
while they're dancing on their date,
23:27
Clark asks Lois, why do you always
23:29
avoid me at the office Lois? Lois
23:32
replies, please, Clark. I've been writing sob
23:34
stories all day, so don't ask me to dish
23:36
out another. That's literally exactly
23:39
the line that she's in. Oh,
23:41
I I'm gonna flat out say right now. I love
23:43
Lois Lane. Golden age Lois Lane
23:45
is a bitch. A
23:48
bitch and
23:48
a prude. So
23:50
not like, look small, Bill. No.
23:51
No. She's like, you're a coward and
23:53
I hate you. I
23:57
need there to be an action figure of Golden Beach Loews Lane
23:59
with an intangible speech bubble that
24:02
says it's your calorie that I hate
24:04
you.
24:05
So makes Okay. So
24:09
Then a man tries to cut
24:11
in on their dance a tough. Right?
24:14
And Lois doesn't want to yeah. Yeah. And Lois doesn't want to
24:16
dance with this man. And Clark just
24:18
as
24:18
nervous. He's like, well, just dance with the man Lois. It'll
24:20
be fine.
24:21
Then we'll go, Yeah. Yeah. So
24:24
Clark so Lois gets
24:26
so mad that we're still in the
24:28
first issue. It's not the best big ever.
24:30
So Lois gets so mad at Clark that she
24:32
slaps Clark and leaves Clark in
24:34
disgust. But you see
24:36
but you see that tough really wanted to
24:38
dance. So he follows Lois in his car. He
24:41
follows Lois' lap on his car. And
24:43
Superman sees this Superman's chases down
24:45
the car. And when the driver sees
24:47
him in the rearview mirror, he exclaims,
24:49
it's the devil himself. Wow.
24:52
Yeah. And then Superman lifts
24:54
the car the image that we see on the
24:56
very famous cover. Mhmm. And
24:58
Lois c Superman for the very first
25:00
time, one of my favorite panels in all
25:03
Superman history, Superman comes close to
25:05
Lois and he
25:05
says, you needn't be afraid of me.
25:08
I won't harm you. Well,
25:09
that's Superman and A nutshell, isn't it? Yep. The
25:11
next morning, Lois tries to publish the Superman
25:14
story, but the chief won't have it because
25:16
he thinks it's ridiculous and
25:18
absurd. Well -- Yep.
25:20
-- but instead he sends Clark Kent
25:22
to a country called Santa Monte
25:24
to cover a war going on there.
25:26
But, of doesn't go directly there. He takes
25:28
a train and he stops in Washington DC.
25:30
Sure. And just on
25:32
the way. Yeah. And in Washington DC,
25:35
Superman overhears a conversation between
25:37
a a politician
25:38
and, like, a mobster trying to convince the
25:40
politician to vote on a certain
25:41
bill. Still the first issue?
25:42
Weird. We have not left the first issue yet. There's
25:45
like
25:45
three plot points down now.
25:47
So Superman grabs the man trying to
25:49
corrupt the senator and holds him as
25:51
he runs along the electric lines of
25:52
DC, runs on top of the world. Pictures of
25:54
that. And then that's where action comics number
25:56
one ends. And and
26:00
and here's a fun
26:00
fact. Okay. Okay. So that's action comments
26:03
number one. Right? That's
26:03
bonkers. Yep.
26:05
So action comments number one did
26:08
really well. Yeah. Superman's
26:11
not on the cover of action comics number
26:14
two.
26:14
Daisy comics. What are you doing? No. What's
26:16
you doing? Detective comics. Detect
26:17
it would do. DC
26:18
comics totally doesn't exist now.
26:20
Detective comics, what's your doing?
26:22
Superman doesn't appear on the cover of issue
26:25
too. Why not? Or or three?
26:27
Why not? Or four. Weird. Or
26:29
five. Yeah. Or
26:32
six. Superman does not appear on the cover of action
26:34
comics until action comics
26:36
issue seven. Wow.
26:39
But He has stories in each of
26:41
these issues, but they have other changes.
26:43
So and and there's one of
26:45
these covers that I thought was really that I'm gonna describe to
26:47
you because I can't believe that's the image they chose
26:49
over Superman. Okay. There you go. So let's jump
26:51
to issue number two. Okay. Issue number two. Now
26:53
now the again, these are gonna become
26:56
stories they won't be as long because they won't be the whole
26:58
issue. There'll just be pieces of the issue. Cool. Here you
27:00
go. So in issue number two, Superman
27:02
goes to Santa Monte, like I said in the first
27:04
of June. And he forces a
27:06
munitions manufacturer to join the
27:08
army up. Okay? Because he thinks
27:10
he's like, oh, here's making all these weapons. You don't
27:12
understand what it's like for the real man. This
27:14
horrifying the wealthy man and thus
27:16
he returns to the United States and vows
27:18
to never manufacture anything more
27:21
dangerous than a
27:21
firecracker. I'm
27:22
just saying and that a lesson to put out in the
27:25
world right now. And then
27:26
Superman returns back to Santa Monte and makes
27:29
the two warring commanders stand down their
27:31
armies so they won't fight.
27:32
Wow. That's the
27:33
story. Wow. Issue number three is called
27:36
Superman battle's death
27:38
underground. That's like
27:40
that's, like, upside beneath of around the mutant
27:42
planets of the Earth, planets of
27:44
the ape kinda
27:45
title. That's ridiculous. So
27:47
in issue three, Superman saved some minors from a
27:50
collapsed mine, which Superman
27:52
believes happen because of unsafe
27:54
minor mine So he
27:56
hides a worker. And while in
27:58
the cave, Superman causes a
28:00
cave in while the owner of the
28:02
mine is incited. And when the
28:04
owner of the cave discovers the safety
28:06
commissions don't work, he vows to
28:08
fix it all and makes his mind
28:10
the safest in the
28:11
world. And when Superman hears that, he he
28:14
clears the way to safety.
28:15
Oh, good job, Superman. But you might be
28:17
noticing a trend here. I am noticing sing
28:19
a trend. Okay. Issue number four, Superman takes
28:21
down a corrupt football
28:22
coach, and it's really not that
28:25
interesting. So we're gonna be Oh, okay. They
28:27
can all be they
28:27
can all be that. Yes. Issue number
28:30
five is called the Big Scoop
28:32
and is the birth of the Clark
28:34
and Lois Lane
28:35
rivalry. Yeah.
28:36
Okay. So here's the story for this one. Okay.
28:38
The editor of The Daily Star learns
28:40
that the Valley Ho dam is in danger
28:42
of cracking because of torrential rain.
28:45
Okay. Clark is nowhere to be found,
28:47
so Lois demands the story.
28:49
But the editor of
28:51
the daily
28:52
star. Mhmm. Thinks the story is too
28:54
dangerous for all woman. He's like,
28:56
what, girly? Yeah.
28:57
Us, girly. You can't take her, so But I
28:58
got Moxie. Whoa. Lois does have
29:01
Moxie and she's so insulted. F yeah.
29:03
That she tracks down Clark and
29:05
then feeds Clark misinformation
29:07
so that he will go on a wild goose
29:09
chase, that's not the dam, so that Lois can go to
29:11
the dam and get the storm.
29:12
Oh, Lois, that's mean. Mad
29:15
that Clark let himself get scooped
29:17
by Lois, the editor then
29:20
fires Clark Kent from The Daily
29:22
Star. Wow. So Clark dresses up a Superman,
29:24
Superman's damn, and actually is because
29:26
he goes there a Superman, he actually beats Lois
29:28
there. Mhmm. But he's still unable to stop
29:30
the damn from cracking. Okay. So he
29:32
still has to save Lois, but he's
29:34
able to save the city because he's able to
29:36
divert divert the water away from the
29:39
city. Superman then calls in
29:41
the scoop about the flood being
29:43
diverted as Clark and
29:46
regains his
29:47
job. That's
29:47
lucky, which
29:48
infuriates Lois to know him. I'm sure.
29:50
How
29:50
did Clark meet me
29:51
at the story? He wasn't even
29:53
there. Yep. Now we're gonna
29:55
to issue six, which is a story that I think is
29:57
called as brilliant, the man who sold
30:00
Superman. A man named
30:02
Nick Williams claims to be Superman's personal
30:05
manager and offers Clark an
30:05
interview. God, that is such
30:07
an LA thing to do. Clark takes him
30:09
up on his offer, but not before Lois
30:11
Clatt grabs Clark, and tells him to
30:13
take her to dinner. During
30:16
the
30:16
dinner, Lois drugs
30:19
Clark. Wait. Yep.
30:21
We are
30:21
reverse roofies going. Lois Lane,
30:24
roofies, Clark Kent, and takes
30:26
the meeting instead. But
30:28
Lois at the meeting is unconvinced by the actor
30:30
that Nick hired to play Superman. So
30:32
Nick William throw Nick William's
30:34
throws her out of a window, when
30:36
she threatens to reveal the
30:36
scam. But luckily for
30:38
Wow. But luckily for Lois, Superman,
30:41
the drugs didn't affect him and
30:43
he's he's wait outside the building and catch lowest and exposes
30:45
Williams as a
30:45
fraud. He's like, this is gonna
30:46
go south. I'll just wait outside the window. Issue
30:49
number seven is a
30:51
very sweet story. Clark
30:53
has sent to interview the head of the Jordan circus that
30:55
came to town, and the owner overhears
30:57
the owner sad that it will go
31:00
broke because the circus has to pay off the mob. Mhmm.
31:02
Circuit Clark sees the show there
31:04
and he notices he notes he actually says
31:06
this that it lacks flash.
31:10
So Superman takes pity on the
31:12
circus and shows up to the circus, saying that he
31:14
will be the circus's new strong
31:16
man. Yeah. And during the show, he
31:18
lifts an elephant. He juggles the other strong man.
31:20
Does all these crazy
31:21
stuff? Juggles the other strong man. Juggles the
31:23
other strong man and an elephant at the same time. That's
31:25
amazing.
31:26
I want that on a t shirt. So the mob
31:27
men see this and they realize that this this
31:30
circus is gonna go through the roof to make so much
31:32
money. Yeah. Yeah.
31:32
They start to cause accidents because they
31:34
are afraid that the course of the service is gonna be
31:36
too successful. But
31:39
Superman stops the mobsters and saves the
31:42
circus, in the b plot. There is
31:44
a daily star worker named
31:46
curly who yep.
31:49
Who keeps who keeps flipping
31:51
out Clark Kent's tie. You know, I guess tucked in
31:53
the front of
31:53
you. And he keeps flipping out Clark Kent's tie every
31:55
time he walks by, but Clark never
31:57
gets mad about it. So
31:59
and Curry keeps remarking about like, oh, it's
32:01
so crazy. So one moment at the very end of
32:03
the issue when Curry is walking into an office,
32:06
Superman runs at SuperSpeed and
32:08
pulls all of Chloe's
32:10
clothing
32:10
off, making him completely naked in public in
32:12
an instant. To
32:15
what end? Because
32:16
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32:18
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34:02
see where man is not on the cover again.
34:06
I This is the funniest cover of all. Okay. The cover
34:08
of
34:08
action comics number eight is an Indian,
34:10
a Native American -- Mhmm.
34:12
-- fighting a British
34:14
soldier. Awesome. There's, like,
34:16
struggling. It's so
34:16
good. Yeah. There you go. And they were, like,
34:19
this is more interesting than the men of tomorrow. Well,
34:21
actually, because the story in issue eight is quite
34:23
forgettable because Superman tries to save a bunch
34:25
of kids and the bad tenements they live and they kinda
34:27
live in a kennel. So
34:30
Superman to save the kids
34:32
decides to break apart
34:34
the building in every building in
34:36
this tenement area because he figures
34:38
that if he breaks them
34:38
all, they'll have to rebuild them and the people can live
34:40
there.
34:41
That's a terrible idea. Well, it is terrible
34:43
because starts bashing down these buildings all
34:45
in managed steel style, and the army is
34:47
sent in to stop him. Why? But
34:50
the end of the story just jumps ahead in time and
34:52
they all have new apartment buildings,
34:54
unexplainable. And they're and they're
34:55
like, yeah, thank you, sir,
34:56
man. And just about tied to me.
34:57
Yeah. But literally there's, like, pages in this where
35:00
Superman is, like, destroying apartment
35:02
buildings. Wow.
35:06
Issue nine actually has a race car on the cover. Awesome.
35:08
Is Superman in, around, or lifting the
35:10
race car? No. It's just a race car.
35:12
Superman is not in the cover.
35:15
In this issue, the police are in full force
35:17
as they hire Captain Riley to capture
35:20
Superman. Okay? When Clark
35:22
asks Lois out on the date,
35:24
She actually says that she despises Clark and
35:26
that she truly only loves Superman.
35:28
You're a coward and I hate
35:30
you. Now, here's the fun thing about this.
35:33
Clark quickly walks to another office room and starts
35:36
laughing out loud because he thinks it's
35:38
hilarious. I love that.
35:40
That's fantastic. Quickly,
35:42
Captain Reilly offers a five
35:44
thousand dollar reward for the capture of
35:46
Superman. And a man named Mortimer,
35:48
he finds he finds
35:50
Clark's clothes in an
35:52
alleyway during one of the times that Superman
35:54
is out rescuing somebody. Mhmm. And in
35:56
the close, he finds a
35:58
note that says going to Dunkin'
36:00
reception. Mortimer, of course,
36:02
tells Captain O'Reilly, hey, I found the close of Superman
36:04
blah blah Superman's. So the police
36:06
show up at the
36:08
Dunkin'
36:08
reception. Clark is there. And just before he was
36:10
going to be searched and
36:12
have his costume, of course, will
36:15
be revealed. Got it. Mortimer turns
36:17
off the lights because O'Reilly wasn't going to give him
36:19
his five thousand dollar reward. So when
36:21
he flicks off the lights, Clark is able to run
36:23
out run
36:25
his clothes, run back in, and appear as
36:28
Superman. Well, that's
36:29
And of course, he bashes
36:31
in O'Reilly and Mordor's heads.
36:33
Solvency. Solvency solving the issues.
36:35
Everything
36:35
was brain damage. Yep.
36:38
Now we get to issue ten of action comics, and
36:40
Superman is finally back on the
36:42
cover. Yay. And in this Superman helps to overthrow a cruel prison
36:44
warden who is torturing his prisoners.
36:46
And it's that's about it. That's all
36:48
you need to know. Of course, he
36:50
pretends to be one of the prisoners and gets the prison
36:52
wardener to be tortured. And the prison
36:54
wardener warden is like, oh, I miss my
36:56
ways. Oh, I should be a better prison
36:58
warden. Yeah. I I am.
37:00
There you go. And the issue ends with an
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When I ran out of air, I need to take a
37:57
drink real quick, so vampa. Well,
37:58
what happens when you talk like an old timey guy or when talk like Varek.
38:00
But now we're gonna do more semi installed. I mean,
38:02
they all had two in tobacco and cigarettes. That's how
38:05
they got through it. Yeah, really. Now
38:08
as you can tell, I'm giving you a primer. I'm giving you a nice
38:11
base foundation of Superman. Solid. And you
38:13
Superman's the golden age
38:15
of ventures of By
38:17
our standards, of course, are a little silly. Wow.
38:20
But I like that they're very
38:22
socially
38:22
conscious. They are. I
38:23
I'm actually kinda surprised
38:26
by how relevant they are. Yes. So we're gonna skip all the head a little
38:28
bit and we're gonna summarize a bit more because
38:30
we gotta get to we gotta get to nineteen fifty
38:32
six. Okay. Okay,
38:34
Ashley. I wanna ask
38:36
you, do you know who Superman's first Superman was?
38:40
No.
38:40
Can I guess? Yes. I
38:44
would assume that it is Lex
38:46
Luther in some form
38:48
or
38:48
another. It is
38:49
not Lex Luther. I
38:51
would guess that it's brainiac. It is
38:54
not brainiac. Well, I'm all out of
38:56
ideas. It is the
38:58
ultra humanite. That weird monkey
38:59
guy? Yes. But at this time, he was bald and looked exactly
39:01
like like Luther. Oh, yeah. I've seen a big
39:03
shoes of that. Well, as I mentioned, if you remember
39:05
earlier, the Golden H. D.
39:07
Brand has varied stink differences from what we know as
39:09
Superman. Mhmm. So there's that for for instance.
39:12
Also, Superman didn't have a fortress of
39:14
solitude during
39:16
this time. He had a a place called the Secret Citadel,
39:18
which basically just had a giant workout center
39:20
inside. Awesome. Yep. Now a
39:22
Superman continued to be
39:24
the most successful character in
39:26
comics during this period, his solo book
39:28
quickly went from being a quarterly
39:30
to a bimonthly book. Wow. And he would
39:32
also get a lead slot in world's
39:34
finest comics, which was a follow-up
39:36
to the New York New York
39:38
World's Fair Specials, and these
39:40
comics would feature both super man
39:42
and
39:42
Batman. That's the reason why they're called world's finest. That is a
39:45
true and scientific
39:45
fact. Yep. Even though every story is
39:48
credited to Seadrill and Shuster,
39:50
this is
39:52
complete
39:52
untrue. Oh, really?
39:53
Yes. Actually Shuster stayed on the strip longer
39:55
than he did any of his other
39:57
creations, but the sheer
40:00
volume of Superman stories with action
40:02
comics and the solo
40:04
title and world's finest necessitated them
40:06
bringing on other artists and other writers.
40:08
Wayne Boring actually would be one of the greatest influences at this time
40:11
because he is the one that is
40:13
giving credit for the
40:16
Superman Superman's on Sudan's
40:18
chest becoming what we think of it
40:20
as today with the triangular kind of Yeah.
40:22
It's a kind of dimension. Because
40:24
before then, it's kinda like a gold sheel
40:26
with a red ass and, like, it did all kind of difference. It wasn't a
40:28
stylized, I would
40:29
say. Yeah. Wayne Warren's the one that's
40:30
responsible for what we think of
40:33
as this stylized Superman's. Thanks,
40:35
Wayne. You do good work. Yeah.
40:36
Now during these further adventures, we learned that Clark
40:38
actually and this is a fun fact. Clark
40:41
actually has a massive
40:43
Clark clock collection and collects
40:45
clocks. That's where -- Exactly. -- has
40:47
never been mentioned again. That's super
40:49
that would be a great detail to introduce
40:51
if you were doing I
40:52
would do it now. Yeah. Like, if we were gonna see his apartment in Metropolis, like and
40:55
he had a room that was just full of clocks and they're like,
40:57
why? He's like, I I just like to see time
40:58
fly. There you are. There you go. Great.
41:02
In action comics number sixty nine, we learned for the
41:04
first time that his x-ray vision cannot see
41:06
through lead. Mhmm. He also uses super
41:08
breath for the first time and
41:12
super hypnosis, which actually
41:14
almost gets overused during this time
41:16
to prevent Lois from discovering his identity.
41:18
Yeah. Yeah. Now also during this time period, as I mentioned
41:20
a couple times, the editor of The Daily Star,
41:22
his name was actually George Taylor.
41:24
Okay. But by nineteen forty one,
41:28
Clark is suddenly under the daily planet under
41:30
Perry White. Great. Now these changes were
41:32
done to correspond to the very popular
41:36
Radio Show. Mhmm. But it was actually
41:38
poorly executed in the comics
41:40
because in action well, in action comics
41:42
number twenty two, The daily star
41:44
sends Lois and Clark to the European
41:46
country of Kolonial when it is
41:48
invaded by Tehran. But in issue
41:50
twenty three, they file
41:52
their story on the same
41:54
invasion with the daily
41:55
planet. Okay? So at flip flops
41:58
and Georgetown and Perry White kinda do
42:00
that a couple times too. So
42:01
those editors weren't doing their jobs. So you were just get
42:03
them out. Get
42:03
them out. Get
42:04
them out. Yeah. For real. And again, like I said,
42:06
George Taylor's appearance alters because sometimes he's
42:08
heavy, sometimes he's
42:09
old, sometimes he's smoking
42:12
a cigar.
42:13
Barryl. And
42:13
in Superman number seven, he abruptly changes
42:16
his name to Perry White
42:18
even though he's drawn the
42:20
exact same way as
42:22
George
42:22
Taylor.
42:22
Parry with some more distinctive names, so I think it was better choice
42:24
really. In Superman number eleven, Lois
42:26
first notices that Clark is never around
42:29
what Superman is and she wonders
42:32
Is it possible that and this goes on for about a year
42:34
and tells a story in Superman seventeen
42:36
Superman's Lois tries to prove that
42:38
Clark is really
42:40
Superman's. And of course, she fails, but
42:42
this will go on for decades. For literally the rest of time.
42:44
Yes. Jimmy Olsen is
42:48
slowly and as Shirley worked into the comic Again,
42:50
Jimmy first made his appearance in the
42:52
Superman Radio series and was
42:54
retroactively combined
42:57
with an unnamed office boy that
42:59
appeared in several early issues of action
43:01
comments.
43:01
Hey, unnamed office boy. Bring me a pencil. In
43:03
Superman number five, the boy actually has brown
43:05
hair and no name. And in issue
43:07
number
43:08
thirteen, he's finally called Jimmy and it's not until Superman
43:10
fifteen that he's actually
43:11
called Jimmy Olson.
43:14
Wow. Would have imagined that there's just
43:16
like this lost boys collection of
43:18
young men working in the Daily Plan. Now
43:20
here's what we're gonna get even crazier. Jimmy
43:22
doesn't get his red hair and bow tie
43:25
until action comics number forty nine. Really? And a
43:27
few months later, in world's
43:29
finest number six,
43:31
It's finally revealed that him and Clark
43:33
are friends. Wow.
43:34
So there you go. It took longer than
43:36
I would have expected. Yeah. Very interesting. The
43:39
daily planet's iconic globe that's to pop their building
43:41
and finally debut in this area.
43:44
Although different artists changed
43:46
their mind on whether they wanted
43:48
to draw or not. So sometimes it shows up and sometimes it
43:50
doesn't. Awesome. Yep. Continuity.
43:52
And then Superman's greatest
43:56
supervillain Finally debuts. Who is that Ashley? Lex
43:58
Luther. That is right. Lexloser
44:00
debuts in action comics number
44:04
twenty three. He actually has no first name during this time and healthy
44:06
crop of red hair. Awesomely. Yep.
44:08
He would go through the entire period
44:10
without getting a first name
44:13
but actually his hair doesn't last more than a
44:16
year. He makes two appearances
44:18
following action comics twenty three the following
44:20
month, both in the pages of Superman
44:22
number four, threatening metropolis
44:24
with an earthquake machine and then
44:26
attempting to raise the southern city of
44:28
Pacific that's with a queue at the
44:30
end. Steel He also tries to steal the oil
44:33
from Oklahoma, to power the machines to raise
44:35
it, and he tries to flood the California
44:37
coasts. I like that the the
44:39
first season of Arrow lifted the earthquake
44:42
machine to end out their first
44:43
season. That's a good way to end
44:46
it. Yeah. In Luther's fourth appearance in Superman number
44:48
ten, Luther is suddenly
44:50
bold. Well, no explanation.
44:52
Well, bold. All guys are
44:54
scary. I guess. And, actually, in Superman
44:56
number ten, he's developed in the invisibility
44:58
ray that he uses that he
45:00
uses with his gang to help rob banks.
45:02
And I I'm going to put it out there right now that I
45:04
think he accidentally used the invisibility ray
45:06
on his hair. And that's where it
45:07
went. And that's where it
45:10
went. Head Canon accepted. That's amazing.
45:12
Yep. Now, Superman
45:14
villain called The Puzzler, debuts
45:17
in action comics number forty nine and
45:19
he returns in Superman number twenty. He's
45:21
actually a professional looking man with glasses
45:24
and a van dyke beard. And the
45:26
puzzler considers himself a
45:28
master of games leaving clues
45:30
for Superman to figure out who
45:32
he
45:32
is. Boy, this shirt does sound like a couple other villains I know.
45:34
Yeah. What other villain does this sound
45:35
like? This sounds a lot like a
45:37
Ridley. Now I looked it up because I
45:39
wanted to see
45:42
The idler actually did not debut until nineteen
45:44
forty
45:44
eight. So the peddler predates the idler.
45:46
And it also sounds
45:47
like a crewman Lester. Yeah.
45:49
I
45:49
always thought the clue master was a low rent riddler
45:52
anyways. Totally.
45:53
Yep. But I think that's
45:55
very interesting. World's
45:57
finest number six is the only appearance of
46:00
metallo in the Golden
46:02
Age. Golden Age mentality
46:02
though has one of the best most
46:05
patchwork put together looks ever.
46:07
Well, because this Mattallo is simply a man in a powerful
46:10
metal suit. Yes. Though for
46:12
much of the tail, many people on the
46:14
street believe him to be an alien robot.
46:16
Interesting. Yeah. Action
46:18
comics number fifty one is the debut of
46:20
the prankster who is a
46:22
master con artist who is a
46:23
comedian. He is an oversized collar and ugly
46:25
green plaid jacket that they've kept
46:27
to this day. Yeah.
46:28
The pretender pretends to the prep
46:30
prankster pretends to rob banks, but in
46:32
fact leaves money for them each time.
46:35
And this is all planned to have one baker open
46:37
as Vault, so we can get the millions of
46:39
jewels and stocks inside that vault. The
46:41
stocks? Maybe the stocks.
46:42
The toy man debuted in action comics number sixty four. Oh. He's a
46:44
singer who can hear us,
46:45
girl. He's revealed in as an aging toy maker
46:47
with a mop of long,
46:49
curly, blonde hair. And
46:51
he decides to use the toys he builds for
46:54
crime. In the first tale, the toys
46:56
proved to be bombs, and he uses
46:58
a toy to escape prison in
47:00
Superman twenty seven and opens a
47:02
high end arcade using it to
47:04
entertain the
47:04
crowds, to distract them so he
47:07
can rob them. I love it. Yep.
47:10
Love it. And soon,
47:12
Kryptonite was introduced. Ashley,
47:14
what is Kryptonite? Kryptonite
47:16
is this green rock that saps
47:19
all of Superman's powers. And in
47:21
some
47:21
incarnations, it's strength depends
47:24
on who's writing in. Exactly.
47:27
Exactly. Now, Kryptonite at the time had
47:29
already appeared again in the
47:32
Superman Radio Show. Now,
47:34
the first story is
47:36
dealing with Dorel and Laura were
47:38
eventually printed after this time. Oh, that's cool.
47:40
Yeah. They after Kryptonite.
47:42
And this
47:44
actually is what a lot
47:46
of people believe open the door to a science fiction universe
47:48
that would eventually become what
47:50
all Superman tales are
47:53
about. As Superman in the nineteen fifties would basically become a
47:56
sci fi series. Well, the alien of
47:58
it all.
47:58
Yep. Also during this time,
47:59
Superman's origin
48:02
gets retold. Mhmm. And it's expanded with developments that
48:04
had taken place to that point. And
48:06
it has happened in Superman
48:10
number fifty fifty three, which is Bill as the tenth anniversary of the
48:12
character. Wow. Jor Elle and
48:14
Superman's parents, are introduced and
48:18
their world of kryptonite is introduced and it's doomed to destruction because it's
48:21
unstable uranium core this time.
48:23
Very topical. Yep. Drell
48:26
Drorl presents his findings to the castle. He's laughed at. Drorl only
48:28
has a small rocket and carries
48:30
his child, Kellell. Now, this time,
48:32
the rocket lands on and is
48:35
found by John and Mary Kent. And this is
48:37
the first time that we learn Pakent's
48:40
first name.
48:42
Oh, really? For this, he was only known as Paw. Paw. Also,
48:44
it's the first time that we learn the
48:46
maiden name of Mary Clark,
48:49
which is what? How
48:51
Clark got his name. Yes. This is the first time this was
48:54
mentioned. Now, also
48:56
Superman remembers his days as
48:58
Superman's in Super
49:00
Boy -- Yeah. -- seventy three.
49:03
And fun fact, Super
49:05
Boy by this point, had been
49:07
running around for a number of years. Mhmm. But is actually the first tale in the
49:09
book to show Young Clark Kent for
49:11
any extended period
49:14
of time. Because the story
49:16
introduced the idea of super
49:18
baby boy slash man's
49:20
costume made from blankets that
49:22
were found in the rocket
49:24
from
49:24
Krypton. I
49:25
like that idea. I do. I like this very sweet. I like the idea that the
49:27
cape is as blanket. Yes. But the rest of it, I
49:29
kinda think, is ridiculous.
49:31
Well, this is a
49:33
gold age. The first detailed depiction of
49:35
Superman's microscopic vision appeared in
49:37
world's finest number
49:40
forty eight. And it's the only story of this
49:42
era to really delve into one of his
49:44
powers. Okay. Now the story deals with the
49:46
scientist who creates what appears to
49:48
be a
49:50
super strong form of steel, knowing
49:52
that it will molecularly collapse and disintegrate
49:54
in a year. Okay. When this begins
49:58
happening, Superman Russia's from disaster to disaster trying to save people from
50:00
collapsing bridges, de railing trains,
50:02
and falling buildings, and
50:04
Wayne boring again. I've mentioned him. Yep.
50:07
He used a really cool visual to show the
50:10
microscopic vision. And as Superman
50:12
uses it on the steel to determine what is wrong
50:14
with it. Now the
50:16
scientist who did this almost falls
50:18
victim himself -- Oh, no. -- as
50:20
he never considered how
50:22
many buildings had been built
50:24
with his crappy product.
50:26
Sounds like social responsibility. Also
50:28
during this time, a number of famous
50:30
people famous at the
50:31
time. You got to team up with Superman in this era, and I wanna see if you
50:33
know them. Okay. So Superman teamed up
50:35
with
50:35
Ralph Edwards. I don't know who
50:38
that is. Well,
50:40
Ashley, Ralph Livingston Edwards is
50:42
an American radio and television
50:44
host. Best knows known
50:46
for his radio TV
50:48
game show truth or
50:49
consequences, and this is your life. Sure. I didn't know
50:51
who that was. So Hey, guys.
50:53
How? Superman also
50:54
teamed
50:54
up with very famous actors Anne
50:58
Blythe.
50:58
I knew who Anne Blight is. Oh, really? Who is she? I just know
51:00
I just know the name. Oh, she's
51:02
an actress from movies like the Great
51:05
Caruso, brute force, and the student
51:08
Prince. And her storyline with Superman is called
51:10
Superman and the Mermaid.
51:12
Oh. Superman also teamed up
51:14
with Perry Como.
51:15
Musician.
51:16
He's an
51:16
American singer in television personality. There you
51:18
go. And
51:19
Superman teamed up with Orson Wells. I know
51:21
who Orson Wells
51:22
is. He has rich and famous contracts.
51:24
Yes. Any
51:24
directed citizen's game? Yes. Now action
51:27
comics number one thirty one
51:29
features a Luther story that would eventually be
51:31
adapted as the second of the Superman movie
51:33
series. Okay. Now, Luther has invented
51:35
a
51:35
machine that moves people and objects
51:38
into and out
51:40
of the fourth dimension.
51:42
And he announces the plans for his next
51:44
crime to Lois Lane, including in
51:46
intending the press to cover the crime as he
51:48
transports men from the scene.
51:50
Now Clark Kent writes the story
51:52
for the Daily Planet and winds up
51:54
on the chopping block when
51:56
Perry White and the planet get
51:58
sued by Luther's thieves first landowner. A first
52:01
landowner. Now, Luther transports them across
52:03
the country and they have
52:06
to witness and they have witnesses placed them thousands a mile away. And
52:08
Clark finds that his reputation has been
52:10
ruined and no other paper will
52:12
hire him then.
52:14
Oh, no. Smoother then uses the machine on
52:16
Superman, trapping Superman in the fourth
52:18
dimension. And essentially, this puts
52:20
Superman in the same state
52:22
as the phantom zone even
52:24
though they won't introduce the phantom zone for many,
52:26
many years. Okay. But as with the
52:28
phantom zone, Superman finds that he is able
52:30
to influence an
52:32
electric typewriter. Yeah. Although that is credited, the story is having
52:34
a wonderful sensitivity to the meat machine
52:36
himself. Lois gets
52:38
to act as Superman's
52:40
agent finding Luther and reversing the machine to
52:42
free Superman. So Superman sends a message
52:44
to Lois and Lois helps
52:44
out. Oh, that's nice to
52:45
Lois. There you go. Action comics
52:48
number one forty one, Mark the first story in
52:50
which Lex Luther creates
52:52
kryptonite to And
52:54
then comes an introduction
52:56
of a great super
52:57
Ambulance. My second favorite, super
53:00
Ambulance. Mister Mitchell Pittalik?
53:02
Yes. Now,
53:03
mister Mitchell Pittalik, has romance
53:06
problems in his first appearance during this
53:08
period in Superman fifty one. There
53:10
seems to be a new king
53:12
in Zwurf. Aim, that's where he's from. I know not the Fit
53:14
dimensions, Zeph at this
53:16
time. Who needs to marry off his
53:18
daughter and picks missile pilot for
53:20
the groom? MiXolpiq
53:22
lies claiming to be engaged to
53:24
Lois Lane and heads to her to
53:26
marry her. Awesome. Lois insists that mister
53:28
MiXolpiq would have to prove himself as
53:30
good as a reporter as she is for
53:32
her to marry him. This is,
53:35
of course, is very bizarre. Sure. And as
53:37
a way to go into the next act of
53:39
the story, the imp uses his mad to
53:41
outdo her as a reporter. And Perry
53:43
White puts them in direct competition
53:45
to get a three question interview with
53:47
Superman. Now Perry White, he sees
53:49
this magical imp. He's not like, what the hell are you doing and get out
53:51
of here? Gracie's just a ghost. He says, hey, you
53:54
Impey. If you can get a three question interview with
53:56
Superman, hire you. Yeah. You
53:58
can marry LLis Lane. I don't
54:00
care. Yeah. Mixo Peddle,
54:02
like, outlets Lois, and gets
54:04
his answers during
54:06
a battle old
54:06
banter, you know, a battle
54:07
with Superman. But Lois actually
54:10
lives up to her words and
54:12
heads to the altar. And right before she
54:14
is able
54:16
to Mary Mistlepeddlek. Superman tricks Mistlepeddlek into
54:18
saying his name backwards, which sends him
54:20
back to his home
54:21
dimension. Goddamn right. Also, I think that is
54:24
interesting because
54:26
historically, and in the traditions of mythology,
54:28
doing that, say the name backwards of either
54:30
a dragon or a demon will send
54:33
the mac from whence they came. Interesting. So
54:35
fun fact. during this time also
54:37
helped to establish the Justice
54:39
Society of America Mhmm. Due to various
54:41
personal adventures, your man was only able to join the
54:43
justice society as a honor honorary member. No.
54:46
It was also around this time, the
54:48
Golden Age
54:50
finally came to an end, and this Superman would disappear to
54:52
what would eventually be known as Earth two.
54:54
But we will find out more
54:57
about them we return to tell you more about Superman
55:00
in a future accessory lesson
55:02
called Superman the Silver
55:04
Age. Oh,
55:06
that's that's that's so
55:08
sad. But
55:08
we're gonna talk about Superman and other
55:11
media during this time.
55:11
Okay. Now instead of telling you about
55:14
Superman and Media, forever. Again,
55:16
I'm only gonna tell you from this time
55:17
period, the Superman Media.
55:20
And if there's a lot of it
55:21
actually. Okay. During the nineteen forties, there was
55:24
the Avengers It was a radio series starring Bud
55:26
Collier or Collier. It might be how you say it as
55:28
the voice serum and Joan Alexander as
55:30
Lois. Yes.
55:32
And here's a funny story about that radio show. Okay.
55:34
In nineteen forty six,
55:36
Silver Rights Activist, Stetson Kennedy,
55:40
contacted the producers of the radio show and made them an
55:42
interesting
55:42
proposal. Okay. He
55:44
claimed that he had a lot of information
55:47
about the Culex clan's inner
55:50
workings, including
55:52
secret passwords and the like. And
55:55
he was having trouble
55:57
getting the southern law enforcement to do
55:59
anything with his information because he's kinda
56:01
like, you take it on the plane with his
56:03
information. Yeah. This is Wow. This is
56:05
a crazy amount of entry that I did not the radio show. So he
56:07
thought that publicizing this information
56:10
via a radio program --
56:12
Right.
56:13
-- would embarrass the Kukla's clan and temporarily throw
56:15
a wrench into their workings. Not a not a bad
56:18
idea. Now
56:18
the writers and executives at DC
56:22
comics were thrilled at the chance to actually
56:24
fight for real true justice in
56:26
the American way. Right? That's awesome. And
56:28
they plotted an art called versus
56:33
the Ku Klux
56:34
Klan. Awesome. And it hit the
56:36
air. It was broadcast.
56:40
Awesome.
56:40
Ratings were
56:42
huge. Yeah. And in
56:46
fact, in Steven
56:48
Dubner's and Steven Delevitz freakonomics, they claim
56:51
that the show had the intended
56:53
effect of ridiculing the clan
56:55
and publicizing a
56:58
secret passwords and thus visibly
57:00
aiding the cause of civil rights in
57:04
America. Wow. However,
57:06
the amount of inside information
57:08
about the KKK was actually revealed
57:10
to be kind of exaggerated. Sure.
57:14
And a review of all sixteen episodes of
57:16
clan of the fiery cross storyline
57:19
re reveals
57:22
that no actual passwords revealed on air. But
57:24
the intended effect
57:25
was had. It so a
57:28
Superman Radio
57:30
Show of Superman fighting
57:32
the Kukulik clan actually happened.
57:34
That's the that's the greatest thing. That's
57:36
the best gift you could have given me. This case
57:38
yesterday lesson. That's freaking
57:39
amazing. And then cool. Yes. Now I wanna go
57:41
find it. Alright. Let's talk about some
57:43
more superman stuff. Like in nineteen
57:46
forty eight, Superman, it was a serial
57:48
in fifteen chapters starring Kirk
57:50
Allen and Noel Neal. It
57:52
recounts the origin story of and
57:54
he fights the Spider Lady. Oh, okay. In
57:56
nineteen fifty, Adam Man versus
57:58
Superman was a serial Superman's parts,
58:00
starting still starring Kirk Allen
58:02
and Noel
58:04
Neal. Okay. And he fights the Adam Man in Lex Luther.
58:06
And from nineteen fifty
58:08
two to nineteen fifty eight,
58:11
the Adventures of Superman starring
58:14
George Reeves and Phyllis
58:16
Coats, and only in season one as
58:17
Lois, and then they brought no
58:20
noelle Neil from the cereals to be
58:22
Lois. While they must have
58:23
really loved her. Was the TV show of,
58:25
you know, dante dante d.
58:28
Yeah. Any leaps on the trampoline to go out the windows. Mhmm.
58:30
Georgia is one one of a great one
58:32
of the great supermans. And also, we
58:36
could not talk about Superman media this
58:38
without mentioning the nineteen
58:40
forty one to nineteen forty three
58:42
fleisher studios animated
58:44
theatrical cartoons.
58:46
Seventeen shorts of Superman starring Bud they
58:49
drew this on black paper, this
58:51
cartoon, which is why it
58:53
pops. It's beautiful And it's
58:55
the reason why Bruce Tim did
58:58
the same thing for Batman and anime series
59:00
because he wasn't starred by the fleisher and
59:02
anime series. And that is the
59:04
geek history lesson on Superman
59:07
the Golden Age. Wow.
59:09
So that is really cool.
59:11
So there you go. A lot a research
59:13
win event. I was surprised I was able to get through it so Wow. Let's go to
59:15
some recommended reading just to let you
59:17
guys know you can
59:20
buy any of these books that I'm going to recommend at geek history lesson dot com
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59:29
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59:31
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59:33
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59:36
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59:38
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59:40
This collects action comics one
59:42
through nineteen. Mhmm. So if you
59:45
want some enjoyable super thrill stories. Let me tell you if even if
59:47
you don't like Golden Age comic books,
59:49
they're worth reading just to see where
59:51
this where Superman's comics
59:54
started. They all come from these
59:56
issues. And I would say that some of the coolest things about
59:58
revisiting them, and it does it takes
1:00:00
time to get into head space, six, twelve pages.
1:00:03
You notice even from the beginning how
1:00:05
many elements were already in place. Yeah. And it
1:00:07
I think it gives you an
1:00:10
appreciation of why we're still using those same story beats and why we're
1:00:12
still celebrating the same parts of his characters
1:00:14
seventy five plus years later? Yes.
1:00:16
Exactly. Exactly.
1:00:18
I mean, because you had to
1:00:20
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1:00:22
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1:02:20
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1:02:23
also a great story collection called Superman, a
1:02:25
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1:02:28
action comics number one is in it, and some of
1:02:30
these other Golden Age tales. And then it jumps through
1:02:32
a few sure it has modern stories.
1:02:34
Mhmm. And then there's also a fun one.
1:02:36
There's Superman, the Golden Age Sundays. It's
1:02:38
the
1:02:38
Oh, yeah.
1:02:39
Yeah. Nineteen forty three and nineteen
1:02:41
forty six. a hundred and seventy sequential
1:02:43
Sunday pages that have never been reprinted
1:02:45
before except for this book, including some
1:02:48
classic comics that began in nineteen
1:02:50
forty three. And they kinda
1:02:52
fill like a major gap
1:02:54
in the Superman
1:02:55
Mythos. So there you go. And now we're
1:02:57
gonna move on to our teaching
1:03:00
tweet. We're in one hundred and forty characters or unless professor
1:03:02
Jason will sum up the incredible
1:03:04
amount of history that he just laid down at our
1:03:05
feet. Yes. Here's
1:03:07
my teaching tweet.
1:03:09
Up on the power lines. It's a strong man who's
1:03:11
gonna punch me in the face and rebuild my
1:03:13
tenant housing, Superman.
1:03:18
Before we wrap
1:03:22
up, I thought we'd have a really quick
1:03:24
discussion. I just wanna hear your
1:03:26
opinions. Ashley, you said that when
1:03:28
we started this podcast that you had
1:03:30
not read any of the golden age
1:03:32
Superman's? True.
1:03:34
What do you think about golden
1:03:36
age Superman. What what are your thoughts? I just gave
1:03:38
you the lesson. What do you think about
1:03:41
this character? And and
1:03:44
Is it surprising that this character became the character that
1:03:47
we know it as today? Or are you surprised as
1:03:49
character a lot? I mean, just what do you think
1:03:51
about Golden Age
1:03:51
Superman, I guess? I'm
1:03:53
sad that Lane was was a bit of a
1:03:56
dick. Yep. That's the thing that I'm
1:03:58
sad by. I'm I'm a
1:04:00
little bit surprised
1:04:02
at how progressive he
1:04:02
was, and we did we did touch on that a couple times. Although,
1:04:04
I think that when you look at the fact that
1:04:06
he was creative eye to young
1:04:09
young hip cat or
1:04:10
immigrants. We lived in New York, you know, which is a
1:04:13
fairly progressive city even even in
1:04:15
the nineteen thirties. I
1:04:17
I find it less surprising, but so there's something's really
1:04:19
cool. Well, like, well done. I don't
1:04:21
think it's surprising, especially when you
1:04:24
consider the
1:04:25
he's the first one. He's There's a
1:04:28
reason that he stands as the
1:04:30
ultimate superhero. It's a reason why you had to
1:04:32
kind of shallize after
1:04:34
that. I don't think there's anything surprising
1:04:36
about why the characters
1:04:38
lasted. And I think that a lot of the
1:04:40
evolution from that point makes a lot of
1:04:41
sense, but at core. Like, he's still
1:04:43
he's still the same he's the same guy.
1:04:46
And he's he's
1:04:47
just less rambunctious. Sure.
1:04:50
But that's the way storytelling is now.
1:04:52
Yeah. But, like, it's still that he he's
1:04:54
that he's an immigrant character.
1:04:56
Who was raised in the heartland and exemplifies what, you know, what America's all
1:04:59
about. He goes to the city. He works.
1:05:01
He puts his head down. He's a superhero
1:05:03
with a heart of gold. He'll
1:05:06
he'll save Lois even though she's mean to
1:05:08
him. You know, like that, all those
1:05:10
basic tenants of him is is still there, like who
1:05:12
he is at his core. Yeah. I think
1:05:14
there's no reason I
1:05:16
mean, if someone told me that like, wow,
1:05:18
babe, I read
1:05:18
like, you know, ten golden age superman stories and I
1:05:20
can't believe that it lasted, I'd be like, really?
1:05:23
Why? Well, I will say
1:05:26
that to me, it was so different than
1:05:28
anything else when it was out there, and that's
1:05:30
why. The reason why
1:05:32
I think a modern person could read the Golden Age Superman and be like,
1:05:34
I don't get how it lasted is because
1:05:36
they've read everything that's come
1:05:38
after. But when you clear
1:05:40
your mind space and you read
1:05:42
that with the idea that there's
1:05:44
nothing else. There's no other
1:05:46
superheroes out there. Then I think you're
1:05:48
just like, what the hell is this? Because I
1:05:50
think I think it's interesting. I think in
1:05:52
those first ten issues of
1:05:54
action comics. You see an element in
1:05:56
Superman that you see in
1:05:58
other characters that just grab your
1:06:00
imagination. I mean, Batman's the same
1:06:02
way. Batman?
1:06:04
I was gonna say Sherlock Holmes. I was gonna say Captain Kirk.
1:06:06
I was gonna say the doctor --
1:06:08
Yeah. -- you see something in that
1:06:10
main character that makes you go I
1:06:14
wanna know more about this guy. Mhmm. This guy is
1:06:16
so fascinating how he does things. I
1:06:18
need to know more about
1:06:19
him. And if you if you do as a
1:06:22
social experiment, if
1:06:24
you wanna kind of what a lot of the other comics were doing at the
1:06:26
time. Go get your hands on. I think it is Pep
1:06:28
number eleven where Archie makes his first
1:06:30
appearance because it's terrible.
1:06:32
What year is that?
1:06:34
I think it's the thirties. I think it is pre superman, but I I don't
1:06:36
have the I don't know. I don't have it looked up right now.
1:06:38
It's
1:06:38
but like because Superman's
1:06:41
June thirty eight. Because young, you know,
1:06:43
young romance comics and westerns were kinda and war comics were kinda the the orders
1:06:45
of the day. Exactly. And and this would have
1:06:47
been so fresh
1:06:50
and so citing and so
1:06:52
innovative even though, like, when you read them
1:06:54
and when you read the Batman stuff too, it
1:06:56
feels very rushed because now we spend all
1:06:58
these time on these origin
1:07:00
stories. It's not just a paragraph and then boom you're in these
1:07:01
adventures. Yep. But it would have been like
1:07:03
when Star Wars hit for the first time. It it was
1:07:05
such a shift in the
1:07:08
zeitgeist. Yep. Yeah, man. Superman is
1:07:09
cool. Cool. There you
1:07:09
go. That's it for the Golden Age Superman. Sometime
1:07:12
in the future, we will cover
1:07:14
Superman a Silver Age, which will
1:07:16
take Superman
1:07:17
from the nineteen fifties all the way into the
1:07:20
eighties. These. Yeah.
1:07:20
Yeah. So that'll be an interesting time. And we'll
1:07:22
get to talking about all these weird, like, Lois
1:07:25
has been turned into a grasshopper.
1:07:28
Yeah. We're
1:07:30
real, though. Up
1:07:35
in this guy, it's a bird. It's a plane.
1:07:37
No. It's Superman in the
1:07:40
silver age. You'll geek history lesson on
1:07:42
Superman Superman's silver age is now
1:07:44
in Sasha.
1:07:45
Hello, and welcome to Geek
1:07:47
History lesson. I am Jason
1:07:50
Kent Inman. I'm Ashley Victoria
1:07:52
Robinson. Welcome to your
1:07:54
Mind universe because you have stumbled onto the podcast where we take one
1:07:56
character construct or super human
1:07:58
or popular culture and teach you everything you
1:08:00
need
1:08:01
to know about in about an hour. But this
1:08:03
month, Jason, there's a pretty episode. In
1:08:05
this episode, there's a pretty special thing going
1:08:07
on. Isn't there?
1:08:11
That's the Mike's flasher Superman
1:08:14
theme song, if you don't
1:08:19
know. Yes. Superman is leading action comics
1:08:21
as he's all known. He's done it
1:08:23
for eighty years. And action
1:08:25
comics is going to cross a threshold
1:08:27
that no other comic book in history
1:08:30
has ever done a
1:08:32
thousand issues. Action
1:08:34
comics are so old guys. Yep. So
1:08:36
in order of that, we did an
1:08:38
episode a long time ago called
1:08:42
in the golden age. And we did that because Superman's history is so It's so varied
1:08:45
that it seemed
1:08:48
a shame to
1:08:50
put Superman into only one episode.
1:08:53
So the bigger characters mainly
1:08:55
the Trinity, we have broken
1:08:57
up into the Golden Age, the Silver Age. We don't have a Silver Age Babbit. We don't
1:08:59
have a Silver Age one room, and you can
1:09:01
request those at giggas
1:09:04
relational dot
1:09:05
or basement dot com slash geeky
1:09:07
gets your lesson. Or onto the red GHL
1:09:09
podcast. Yep. So but this is the second installment in the
1:09:12
giant history. That
1:09:15
is. Oh, Superman. And I thought, you know, in
1:09:17
honor of Superman's eightieth anniversary,
1:09:19
there was
1:09:21
no better time to do this episode. The
1:09:23
amount of time
1:09:23
we circle back to Yes. And a lot of
1:09:25
people have requested or or asked for nobody requested
1:09:28
actually I looked. But you
1:09:30
know, a lot of people were like, oh, man, we want
1:09:32
this one. We want this one. So that's the reason why we decided to do it.
1:09:34
This is going to be the silver age. It's gonna be a little bit
1:09:36
different. Than
1:09:38
a normal episode. There will be no Tencent
1:09:40
origin. Go back and listen to the
1:09:41
Golden Age. Yeah. Go back and
1:09:42
listen to the Golden Age one. There
1:09:44
will be no meat cute. Back, it was the
1:09:47
golden You can find that on iTunes or whoever you wanna listen to. But buckle up. This is going to
1:09:49
be a longer
1:09:52
than normal
1:09:54
episode. Norbank for
1:09:55
your book. Yeah. That's right. Now, first off,
1:09:57
before we get into this, I
1:09:59
wanna remind you of
1:10:01
the comic book ages. Oh, okay.
1:10:03
Okay. So the Golden Age, which
1:10:05
we've already covered for was
1:10:07
from nineteen thirty eight
1:10:09
to nineteen fifty six Ashley, I wanna ask you, do you
1:10:12
remember? What is the event that
1:10:14
ends the Golden Age and begins
1:10:18
the Silver Age? Barry Allen? You are correct. It is
1:10:20
the first appearance of flash Barry
1:10:22
Allen in Showcase number four of
1:10:26
October of nineteen fifty six. These sometimes I can remember stuff?
1:10:28
Yes. Now, the silver
1:10:30
age goes from nineteen fifty
1:10:32
six to, Ashley, do you
1:10:35
have a guess? Now, your answer
1:10:37
might be different on this because we are going to get into some
1:10:39
uncharted geek history lesson territory
1:10:43
here. Oh, there a little bit of
1:10:45
an argument about how many
1:10:48
ages
1:10:49
there are of comic books.
1:10:51
Oh,
1:10:51
I have feelings about this. And where they start and
1:10:53
stop? Now, I have made a
1:10:55
determination. Great. This is the geeky show us in
1:10:57
determination. Whether you agree with me or not disagree
1:11:00
with
1:11:00
me, I don't care. This
1:11:02
is where -- It's fine.
1:11:03
-- this is where my scholarly pursuits have led me for Superman. Ashley, where do you think they're so outrageous? Right. And also say
1:11:06
if you listen to other
1:11:08
Golden Age episodes, we do a little bit of
1:11:10
arbitrary time lines based on those specific characters as
1:11:15
well. I am I'm gonna
1:11:17
say that I think the
1:11:19
silver age ends
1:11:23
in nineteen seventy
1:11:28
eight. Now, some
1:11:30
people will agree with
1:11:32
you. Some people won't agree with
1:11:34
you. I don't agree with you. I So according to y seventy eight,
1:11:36
I because you're
1:11:38
in the movie. It has
1:11:41
I think it has something to do with
1:11:43
the Justice Society. Well, the DC implosion, which was around
1:11:46
that
1:11:47
out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I know
1:11:49
it has to do with Earth too, but I can't remember the specific event. Now
1:11:51
in my research,
1:11:52
neither one of
1:11:55
those came up. Okay. I
1:11:57
have determined by my research
1:11:59
that the silver age ends, in my view, in
1:12:04
nineteen seventy. Really? Yes. Now
1:12:06
the reason Well, because that is when the bronze age starts
1:12:11
of comic book the bronze age of Comme. And
1:12:13
now the
1:12:14
bronze age of Call the bronze age starts that early? Yes. And let me
1:12:15
explain why. I'm trying to teach you this is
1:12:19
what this podcast So the bronze age is thing that I was talking about.
1:12:21
The bronze age is the part of comic book age
1:12:23
histories that some people
1:12:26
are like, that doesn't exist. Yeah. There
1:12:27
is one definite date that
1:12:30
everybody does agree. Nineteen
1:12:32
eighty five crisis on
1:12:34
infinite earth is the beginning of the modern age.
1:12:36
Church comics. Yeah.
1:12:37
Yes. The bronze age is where
1:12:39
people disagree. And my
1:12:42
research, there is no single
1:12:44
event or comic book that really kicks off the
1:12:47
bronze age and ends the silver
1:12:49
age. Not not
1:12:50
in the same weigh However, I picked
1:12:53
a comic book because I think
1:12:55
this is the beginning
1:12:58
of
1:12:58
it. The whole The
1:12:59
reason I have a guess The reason for the bronze
1:13:01
age is because the tone of
1:13:03
comics in the
1:13:05
seventies shifted -- Mhmm. -- to being more
1:13:08
socially aware -- Mhmm. -- to being more
1:13:10
political -- Mhmm. -- to not just being
1:13:12
hokey. Hey, there's an alien.
1:13:14
Let's punch him. Mhmm. So I'm calling the beginning of
1:13:16
bronze age for this issue
1:13:18
-- Mhmm. -- as April
1:13:22
nineteen seventy, with the issue of green
1:13:23
lantern, where green arrow was added
1:13:26
as the title character. So you
1:13:29
start with hard traveling heroes. A little
1:13:31
bit before hard travelers, but where the series by
1:13:33
Denny O'Neil and Neil Adams focused
1:13:35
on poverty --
1:13:36
Mhmm. -- and and and speedy became
1:13:38
a drug addict. Submit more of that
1:13:40
error. Sure. Yeah.
1:13:41
So, like, that's to me is the start of the bronzer. It's interesting. I've
1:13:43
heard that argument before. I don't necessarily
1:13:47
disagree with it. I find that the argument
1:13:49
for when the bronze age begins -- Mhmm. -- is
1:13:51
either a Greenland or
1:13:54
a green arrow or it's a
1:13:56
new teen titans is often a big demarcation as well.
1:13:58
So, like, through new teen titans not start till nineteen eighty
1:14:00
though? It doesn't start
1:14:02
until nineteen
1:14:03
eighty, but for of people, the bronze age
1:14:06
is only eighty to eighty five. Yeah. I guess so. I don't know. I once
1:14:11
I read the argument about the Greenland and Green Arrow
1:14:12
series, I kinda had to agree because it does
1:14:14
not have a silver a g tone. That's
1:14:18
fair.
1:14:18
That's
1:14:19
fair. Alright. So there you go. Let's go back into Superman and the
1:14:21
Silver Age. Now this lesson Superman's said
1:14:23
is gonna be a little bit different. We're
1:14:25
gonna go into fictional character history. Mhmm.
1:14:27
We're gonna go to publication
1:14:30
history --
1:14:30
Mhmm. -- and a bunch of stuff like
1:14:32
that. Okay. So back to
1:14:33
Superman, before
1:14:34
we can go any further in talking about the comic
1:14:36
book Superman, We
1:14:38
have to talk about a real world event
1:14:40
that rocked Superman to his
1:14:43
core. Holy smokes. On
1:14:45
June sixteenth of
1:14:47
nineteen eight, George Reeves, Superman, the star of
1:14:49
Superman's was found dead from a
1:14:52
gunshot wound. Now,
1:14:55
this is not a comic book event, but there is no way
1:14:57
you could talk about Superman and the Silver Especially
1:14:59
Silver Age starting in
1:15:01
fifty eight. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Without talking or fifty four excuse
1:15:04
me. Fifty six. Excuse me. Sorry. We
1:15:06
had to talk about George Reeves. Okay.
1:15:09
So it was an open shut
1:15:11
case of suicide, said the LA police, but many friends of George Reeves, friends
1:15:16
called it a murder and there was
1:15:18
no shortage of suspects or motives. And this event not only rocked Superman
1:15:21
fans to his core because I
1:15:23
don't know if you know George
1:15:26
Reeves had Bethel Mania levels of fans when he went out in public. Hey,
1:15:28
really? He did.
1:15:31
He got hounded and
1:15:34
he got harassed because everybody saw
1:15:37
him as Superman. The Adventures of
1:15:39
Superman was an insanely popular
1:15:41
show. It was so popular. It was so
1:15:44
popular that George Reeves could get hired
1:15:46
for no other gigs because everybody saw
1:15:48
him
1:15:48
Superman's. And he actually died in
1:15:51
poverty. I yeah.
1:15:51
I knew them. So George
1:15:52
Reeves death leads to something
1:15:55
called the Superman curse.
1:15:59
Okay. Ashley, do you know what this is? No. To be fair, everything I
1:16:01
know about Georgia Reeves could fit in a thin blanket.
1:16:03
Well, this has more to
1:16:04
do
1:16:04
than not Georgia Reeves. So Well, I don't I don't know
1:16:06
what no.
1:16:07
I don't know anything about this. Soon.
1:16:09
This I don't really believe in
1:16:11
this curse. Okay. But I thought it was interesting to mention. Sure. This refers to a
1:16:14
series of supposedly related
1:16:16
misfortunes that
1:16:18
have plagued creative people involved in
1:16:21
many adaptations of Superman.
1:16:23
Mhmm. Another reasoning of the
1:16:25
Superman curse is, of course,
1:16:28
Christopher Reeves. Sure. Who played Superman in
1:16:30
fourth theatrical films, who was paralyzed in a nineteen ninety five horseback riding accident
1:16:32
-- Mhmm. -- and
1:16:34
then died nine years later.
1:16:37
Another person that has supposedly connected these series of
1:16:39
misfortunes of Superman is Bud Koyer or Koyer, excuse me. He voiced
1:16:41
the first Superman cartoon from nineteen
1:16:43
forty one to nineteen
1:16:47
forty three. He later voiced Superman again in
1:16:49
nineteen sixty six. Three years after
1:16:51
that nineteen sixty six voicing,
1:16:53
he was found dead of
1:16:56
a ailment a heart ailment
1:16:58
in the age of sixty one. Wow. Now, there is a listing
1:17:00
of how they tie the blame
1:17:02
murder kit or going crazy on this.
1:17:06
All basically, if you're tied
1:17:08
to a Superman thing and anything bad went written wrong
1:17:10
in your life, they say, this is a Superman
1:17:13
curse. So Like some poltergeist level nonsense. Well, there's a full
1:17:15
list of them online. And just because I I'm not
1:17:15
gonna mention all of them, but I
1:17:18
thought because there were so many. Does Richard
1:17:20
Briar
1:17:22
call into that?
1:17:23
I don't know. I feel we had to talk about it.
1:17:25
Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Alright. Let's get back to the let's get
1:17:27
to the topic, the comics. Yeah.
1:17:29
Let's let's go to the comics. Comics. The
1:17:31
topics. Going to the comics. Tonics. Yes. I'm
1:17:33
gonna call them Thomas,
1:17:33
silly books, funny books. So the one thing about the Silver Age -- Mhmm. -- in the comics of
1:17:36
Superman and Silver Age
1:17:38
is in the late nineteen
1:17:40
fifties, This is where the version
1:17:42
of Superman that we know of as Superman takes shape finally.
1:17:44
Superman's, how would
1:17:46
you describe Golden Age
1:17:48
Superman? I
1:17:50
think the big blue boy scout is
1:17:52
a pretty apt description of silver aged Superman. Well,
1:17:54
yeah. Yes. That's that's where we'll get to
1:17:56
that. How how do you feel? Let's talk about
1:17:58
the differences. How do you feel Golden Age
1:18:01
Superman is?
1:18:01
Oh, Golden Age Superman
1:18:04
is rougher around the edges. Yeah.
1:18:06
He's a lot angrier -- Mhmm. -- and more
1:18:08
powerful, I think. He's very direct.
1:18:10
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I
1:18:12
think is a reflection of the
1:18:14
time. Would you call
1:18:15
him a boy scout? No. Yeah. Because a
1:18:17
boy scout has this sort of, like, tweet connotation to
1:18:19
it and a softer
1:18:23
side that I don't think we get to chivel celebration of the silver age also has
1:18:25
a softening of a lot of characters around this
1:18:27
time. Batman and
1:18:30
Robin have like a very emotional
1:18:32
relationship throughout the silver. Like Dick
1:18:34
is constantly crying -- Mhmm. --
1:18:36
throughout the silver page. And maybe
1:18:38
maybe that's hippies. I don't know. But, yeah, I think I also think a reason why the
1:18:44
Silverado Superman's or a lot
1:18:46
of what we love is defined by that is because that's what so strongly inspired the seventy
1:18:51
eight movie, which for many people remains
1:18:54
the defining suit. The defining suit, man. Yes. So when editorial duties at DC
1:18:56
comics were redistributed,
1:18:59
more at Weisinger got
1:19:02
soul control over Superman. Okay. This resulted in him developing the Superman
1:19:04
Legend. Basically everything
1:19:07
we know about Superman
1:19:12
because he was
1:19:14
so set on developing
1:19:16
continuity in Superman.
1:19:18
And this is actually Corey, that's his name. Moore Wise in Jordan. You are ahead of your time, baby. He
1:19:23
is actually credited with
1:19:26
the first series attempt at developing continuity in comics history. Wow.
1:19:28
Now even though some of
1:19:30
a
1:19:30
lot of the issues have you
1:19:34
know, one off adventures and stuff like
1:19:35
that. They always refer to past
1:19:38
adventures now. Oh, that's cool. So
1:19:40
an instrumental force also behind
1:19:42
the Superman being developed in overage was
1:19:44
Jerry Siegel. Who's that? Hey, one of the creators
1:19:46
of Superman. He actually returned to DC in
1:19:49
nineteen fifty nine to write the
1:19:51
Adventures of Superman once again.
1:19:54
I didn't
1:19:54
know that.
1:19:55
That's awesome. And Wiseinger and Segal together
1:19:57
with science fiction greats like Edmund Hamilton
1:19:59
-- Mhmm. -- who wrote the great
1:20:02
action comics to a three hundred I
1:20:03
believe, in who's responsible for a lot of legion of superhero
1:20:06
stuff. You've mentioned him in a number of key
1:20:08
customer
1:20:08
relations. All set out to
1:20:11
their goal was to
1:20:13
define the personalities of the characters in Superman and all the Superman mythos. So
1:20:15
they wanted each character
1:20:19
to be distinct and to
1:20:22
have an understandable personality. Interesting. So because of this, this is the reason why at
1:20:24
this time in Superman's history,
1:20:26
we start seeing more of his
1:20:30
childhood adventures. Us. And more
1:20:33
reaper boy and more rewritings of
1:20:35
his origin, including the
1:20:38
audition of Lex Luther to his
1:20:40
origin. Mhmm. So in the
1:20:42
comic books, the public notification
1:20:45
of smallville being
1:20:48
Superboy's home brings the young lex smoother
1:20:50
into Superboy's life. And this actually results in their lifelong hatred of each
1:20:53
other. Mhmm. This
1:20:56
is a story where Luther receives
1:20:58
his first name. Before this, he was only known as
1:21:00
Luther. Now,
1:21:03
Lex's Luther had a massive talent for
1:21:05
scientific inventiveness, which has has
1:21:07
certain itself, of course,
1:21:09
in Lex's earliest days. He became highly interested
1:21:11
in the public exploits of Superboy because
1:21:13
he became obsessed with him and
1:21:16
he forced his
1:21:18
parents to move to smallville so that he could be closer
1:21:20
to Superboy. That's so funny because Lex
1:21:22
was like, I'm gonna be his sidekick.
1:21:25
Lex will let Yep. Alex focused
1:21:28
all of his scientific skills on finding
1:21:30
some way to help out Superboy.
1:21:33
And he eventually discovered Superboy's
1:21:35
weakness to kryptonite. Mhmm. And he decided to make a cure
1:21:37
to the meteorites effects on Super
1:21:39
Boy. Oh. So
1:21:42
Lex began an experiment very exotic materials, which were dangerous
1:21:44
and explosive. How do you get the --
1:21:45
Yes. -- in the silver
1:21:46
age? There I know you okay. This
1:21:49
is back in the nineteen fifties. There's no safety regulations anyway.
1:21:51
I guess you started working when you're,
1:21:53
like, twelve. This kid could have walked into a
1:21:55
nuclear missile silo and everybody was, like,
1:21:57
look at that boy. Good
1:21:59
lad. So the everywhere. Sure. So
1:22:01
the chemicals, of course, reacted badly and exploded in Lex's lab
1:22:04
filling the room
1:22:06
with various poisonous gases.
1:22:08
So Superboy reacted to
1:22:10
the explosion. He arrived to find Lex, you know, close to death, but was unable to enter the room
1:22:13
because of the
1:22:16
kryptonite. So Stu's
1:22:18
Superboy stood outside of the room
1:22:20
and blew the Kryptonite and gases out of
1:22:22
the room saving Lex's life. But the exhaust
1:22:25
from when blew the chemicals
1:22:27
of Lex's
1:22:29
uncovered head.
1:22:32
Oh, no. There's a
1:22:34
very funny cover of this. Lex was shocked to find his perfect I l do such a blunder a save. He
1:22:39
was mad. And Lex was inconsolable upon his
1:22:42
disfigurement. That's what he called his hair losing his hair. Which he thought A little smells
1:22:44
dramatic. Yep. He thought it
1:22:46
was deliberate. He's a teenager. Of
1:22:50
course, he thought it was delivered. So
1:22:52
he took the partially completed Kryptonite cure and
1:22:54
destroyed it in front of Super White, pledging
1:22:56
their and then that he
1:22:58
would dedicate his life to proving that he was superior to Superboy. What a dick? Yep.
1:23:00
Now, actually, I wanna ask you
1:23:02
a question. Mhmm. Do you like
1:23:06
or dislike Lex throughout their being
1:23:08
a part of Super Boy's
1:23:10
origins. I don't need Lex and
1:23:15
Super Boy. To have existed in the same time. I think
1:23:17
it's dramatically more interesting if
1:23:19
this adult
1:23:22
man becomes fixated on Superman. So so
1:23:24
wait on
1:23:25
Lex until Superman comes to meetropolis. I
1:23:27
agree. Yeah.
1:23:27
That's my preference. I
1:23:30
know you like their early relationship. Well,
1:23:32
I Or a version of it. I was against it -- Mhmm.
1:23:35
-- until the TV series Smallville. Yeah. And then Smallville,
1:23:38
I thought, did it so well that I was like, you know what? I'm
1:23:40
fine with this. Okay. I'm fine with it now. Look at
1:23:42
you admitting that you can change your mind.
1:23:45
I know. Right? Oh my Comic fans can change their
1:23:48
opinion. Micah. So on a
1:23:50
more positive and nonluther note,
1:23:52
Superway in the comic soon became
1:23:54
a member of the legion of superheroes. Hey,
1:23:57
those guys. Existing in the far
1:23:59
future of the thirtieth century, the legion
1:24:01
of superheroes was a teenage troop of
1:24:03
superheroes and they came from different planets
1:24:05
and inherited super powers. The or organization
1:24:07
easily inducted Superboy as a member and
1:24:09
he would've go on to become one of their
1:24:12
most distinguished members and members.
1:24:14
Nice. During Clark's teenage years on
1:24:16
Earth, the kents also sold their
1:24:18
farm and became shopkeepers in smallville for a
1:24:20
time. Really? Yeah. This actually
1:24:21
happened. And they settled into a more
1:24:23
modern lifestyle supporting Clark's day
1:24:26
to day life as well
1:24:28
as superhero activities because he's super white.
1:24:30
But they grew elderly and eventually died of tropical fever when they were on
1:24:32
a cruise. I am
1:24:34
not
1:24:35
joking. That is the silver
1:24:37
age death of the kense. They go on a cruise
1:24:39
and they die. Well, Tim Drake's mom goes on a cruise and gets
1:24:42
kidnapped and murdered. Is
1:24:44
that I guess it's viable. Now
1:24:46
before dying, Jonathan Ken reminded Clark to continue doing good deeds into the not lose sight of
1:24:51
who he was.
1:24:52
For the first time in action comics two sixty two because
1:24:54
we're gonna continue this trend of in new concepts that we
1:24:56
know about being introduced in
1:24:59
the silver age. Well, In
1:25:01
March of nineteen sixty, the notion that Superman's power is derived from
1:25:03
the yellow sun, radiation appears
1:25:07
for the very first time.
1:25:09
Whoa. Twenty years after his over twenty years
1:25:12
after his first
1:25:15
appearance. That's why In Superman one forty six in
1:25:17
July of nineteen sixty one, the explanation is
1:25:20
amplified. It says that Superman's muscular
1:25:22
powers, his super strength, his speed, and
1:25:24
his light
1:25:26
are attributed to gravity, and the
1:25:28
powers of his senses x-ray vision, telescope
1:25:30
vision are attributed to the yellow sun.
1:25:32
And vulnerability is sort of compared to
1:25:35
a super suntan. Later this was
1:25:37
all altered to make a portion
1:25:39
of his flying ability a
1:25:41
also from the yellow sun.
1:25:44
That's so I did squeeze. Now, the new
1:25:46
explanation also provided an unexpected bonus of a new
1:25:50
weakness for superman by making stories where he no
1:25:53
longer had super powers on a world
1:25:55
without a yellow
1:25:55
sun. Cool.
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1:26:30
series adventures concerning cowell's life on Krypton established for the
1:26:32
first time that Clark
1:26:34
was at least three years
1:26:37
old and fluent in Krypta knees. Mhmm. What's Krypta knees, Ashley? The language worked
1:26:39
on? Yep. Before the
1:26:42
explosion of his planet, No
1:26:47
more would he spend the first decades of his life wondering what
1:26:49
he was and why he was so
1:26:51
different? He would always
1:26:54
remember Krypton from this point forward. don't like about
1:26:56
that. I also know that a
1:26:58
very early version of Crypto followed
1:27:03
cow to earth because he was his childhood
1:27:05
pet. And, like, they had a bond. We'll
1:27:07
get to crypto. Usually, you'll
1:27:09
even be. You'll leave crypto be. Okay.
1:27:11
Stay boy. Stay. So, yeah, I don't
1:27:13
III like Clark leaving Krypton
1:27:16
without a memory of Krypton because I like
1:27:18
I honestly think that's more tragic. I like
1:27:21
supergirl remembering Krypton and not Clark. But, again, this is the silver
1:27:23
age, and the silver age really expands
1:27:27
Krypton a lot.
1:27:29
Yeah. This is the most we're gonna talk
1:27:31
about it really because I I think other
1:27:33
stuff's more important. Cool. Alright. Now back to
1:27:35
the publishing history. Okay. More at Weisinger's
1:27:37
next move was to introduce a title for our favorite Superman
1:27:39
supporting character, Lois Superman's. And
1:27:43
we talked about about this in the
1:27:45
golden age, but I wanna talk a little bit
1:27:47
more about this. Superman's Lois Lane, Superman's girlfriend Superman's girlfriend, Lois
1:27:50
Lane, excuse me, debuted
1:27:52
its first issue in March of
1:27:54
nineteen fifty eight in the first story. I'm a tell you about this. Okay. Loews
1:27:59
becomes the witch of Love it. So she goes to a museum
1:28:01
opening. Hey, she's a witch. And Elana was also
1:28:03
a witch. Yeah. And there she accidentally
1:28:05
breaks a
1:28:06
mirror at this exhibit about this
1:28:08
crazy lady that people thought could be
1:28:10
a witch. Mhmm. She returns home to tie up her story and finds herself transformed into a
1:28:14
green and grotesque witch.
1:28:17
Great. She runs out onto the street thinking about going back
1:28:19
to the museum to cure her form, but she sees Superman is ugly form and pretends
1:28:21
to not know
1:28:23
who he is. As
1:28:25
she wanders back to the museum, she sees a robbery, and as they begin to shoot her, she
1:28:27
assumes that if she is
1:28:31
now a witch, then surely she
1:28:33
can cast a spell. And she says Yes. Lois live your best life. And
1:28:35
she says,
1:28:37
hicks, hocks, hacks,
1:28:40
bullets aside.
1:28:42
And the bullets
1:28:43
don't hit her? Yes,
1:28:44
Lois. She returns home. I want that
1:28:46
I didn't see a shirt in
1:28:49
house. She returns home. And the sun rises --
1:28:51
Mhmm. -- and her face returns to normal. Mhmm.
1:28:53
But the next night, she turns into a
1:28:55
witch again, and she decides to do what
1:28:57
any human being would do when they turn
1:28:59
into a witch. Hexa brooms, thick,
1:29:01
and ride it. Exactly. She has great taste. Yep. Eventually
1:29:04
Lois, though, in
1:29:06
her evil witchy
1:29:08
mind, Decides to betray
1:29:10
Superman -- No. -- and reveal his secret identity. But at the
1:29:11
last second, her
1:29:15
conscience takes over. And
1:29:17
Superman comes to her later. She's crying her eyes out and actually reveals that sup she
1:29:20
wasn't cursed
1:29:24
ever She'd actually been doused with
1:29:26
an old age gas, what, yep, from a science visit that she had after the
1:29:28
museum, and she had to believe
1:29:31
that she was a witch or
1:29:34
else she would have gone crazy. So
1:29:36
Superman faked all her powers
1:29:39
over the last couple of days to
1:29:41
make sure that she wouldn't go crazy until
1:29:43
the old age or war off.
1:29:45
I mean, that's basically it
1:29:47
was all
1:29:47
a dream. Yep. Get ready because this is
1:29:50
starting to lead off
1:29:52
into what most people define this
1:29:54
over age as. Now real quickly before we move on from Lois Lane. At the peak of its popularity
1:29:57
in nineteen sixty
1:30:00
two, Superman's friend Lois Lane was
1:30:02
the third best selling comic book in the United States. Holy smoke. This lasted
1:30:07
for six teen years. have some of my all
1:30:09
time
1:30:09
favorite comic book covers. And and to
1:30:12
me as well leads
1:30:14
to that it is insane that Lois
1:30:16
Lane doesn't have a book in current DC universe
1:30:18
continuity at the time of this recording? Correct. So now as
1:30:20
I said, this period of streaming can
1:30:23
also be known as quite billy
1:30:26
because it's silver age, and this
1:30:28
is where we're gonna get into it. Stories
1:30:30
were mostly
1:30:31
dreams, weirdo stuff. And one of DC's crazier
1:30:33
policies for Chromebooks at this time was
1:30:35
to high to draw crazy cover. Hoping we're gonna bring that
1:30:37
up
1:30:37
and then force
1:30:38
the writers to write a plot to match that
1:30:40
cover. Yeah. So you'd be like,
1:30:42
why
1:30:43
are they on an elephant? But who
1:30:45
knows? Yep. So this led to some of the sillier and crazier Superman
1:30:47
Adventure that you will ever hear about, and I
1:30:49
have a small sampling.
1:30:52
Oh, I'm my body
1:30:54
is so rad. Okay. Here we go.
1:30:56
Yeah. Let's start off with action comics number two forty three.
1:30:58
This covery has Superman with a lion head. Superman's.
1:31:03
It's probably the defining image of the silver
1:31:05
age. It is a story in which a
1:31:07
descendant of the mythological being
1:31:10
called Sir see, gives Superman mineral
1:31:12
water that turns him into a
1:31:14
lion man because he won't marry
1:31:16
her. Mineral water.
1:31:18
He flies around hiding
1:31:20
his lion face. Even though, you know, this is the
1:31:22
DC universe and weird stuff happens every day, people couldn't handle Superman as
1:31:24
a lion. Yeah. Superman eventually
1:31:26
heads back to the fortress attitude,
1:31:29
checks the library, finds a book that explains them how to create an
1:31:31
antidote specifically for lion heads. Oh, that's
1:31:34
lucky. And it works. Because
1:31:37
Superman has a vast and extensive library of books about curing life. It
1:31:39
has lots of fear I
1:31:39
have. That's actually comics two
1:31:41
forty three. My face being dirty
1:31:43
to a lion. Actually,
1:31:46
have you ever heard about the of
1:31:49
the
1:31:49
sea? No. I know he dated
1:31:51
a mermaid. Well, this has nothing to
1:31:53
do with that. Action comics number two forty
1:31:55
four in September of nineteen fifty eight. While
1:31:58
fight fight and this is
1:32:00
Superman's, cover is him sitting on a
1:32:02
crown or or excuse me, sitting on a throne and he has a weird seashell crown across his head. And he's like the real firme
1:32:04
too? No. He's just like
1:32:06
the ruler of us here. So
1:32:10
this story is while flying across the Atlantic,
1:32:12
Superman spots a rocket ship that
1:32:14
slams into the ocean. Investigating
1:32:17
he finds two mer
1:32:19
people trapped inside. Sure. Superman tears the metal
1:32:21
door
1:32:21
off, allowing the man and the woman to swim free. The man introduces
1:32:23
himself as Volkor, and his
1:32:26
companion is his
1:32:28
daughter, Absolutely. Why? Lila?
1:32:30
I think it's Lila. As the two alien mermaids cannot breathe normal air, Superman
1:32:36
decides to exile himself to the undersea
1:32:38
to help him acclimate permanently. He just wants to enter into a polyamorous
1:32:44
polyamorous Yeah. He uses nameplates from sunken vessels to
1:32:46
create a floaty message to explain his absence from the world.
1:32:48
And they
1:32:51
What? Yep. And And
1:32:52
a passing mariner finds the signs and alerts the
1:32:54
world that Superman is now living under the sea.
1:32:58
That's stupid other than the lion head. Oh, we're not done yet. News of
1:33:01
Superman's exile reaches the United Nations
1:33:03
and the assembly decided that
1:33:05
it's necessary to bring
1:33:07
Superman back by force. Yeah.
1:33:09
Because this this is Christ. Yeah. They order a c
1:33:12
dragnet and a
1:33:14
submarine arm with crypto night
1:33:17
tip torpedoes forces Superman to react. Eventually, he finds out that Volkor
1:33:19
and his daughter are bad, so Superman
1:33:21
then poisons the sea
1:33:24
with over
1:33:25
saltine because the aliens can't stand that. Look in the fish or the mammals
1:33:27
-- Yep. -- and it tricks the aliens into leaving.
1:33:30
Because if there's one thing
1:33:34
Silver Age Superman is is about. It's
1:33:36
about tricking people constantly. Great.
1:33:38
Because here's the thing. Superman's
1:33:41
over aged Superman knew
1:33:44
two things. He knew how to solve problems
1:33:46
either by trishattering levels of wine and
1:33:47
deceit, and by punching
1:33:49
people and animals right in
1:33:51
their stupid faces. Great.
1:33:54
Yep. And this begins the
1:33:56
aspect of another aspect of Superman
1:33:58
from this silver age. That's Superman
1:34:01
being a super dick. Oh. And there's It's
1:34:03
not even a super dick until the ninth. And there's a
1:34:05
whole website dedicated. So I think it's called super
1:34:07
dickory dot
1:34:07
com. Oh,
1:34:08
it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:34:09
About, like, a little bit crazy covers and
1:34:12
stuff like that or whatever. Here's another version.
1:34:13
We'll share some on the Facebook page. Oh, sure. Superboy number twenty
1:34:15
four is a cover where Superman's
1:34:19
fat and Oh, I've seen that. And Lana Legg makes
1:34:21
fun of him. Yep. It's great. In this
1:34:23
issue, Superboy who's only been
1:34:25
away for two weeks. Mhmm. Returns to Smallville only
1:34:27
to discover something shocking. All the
1:34:30
students at Smallville High have
1:34:32
become super fat for
1:34:34
no
1:34:34
reason, including Clark sweetheart, lot of laying. Root. And if you wanna listen to
1:34:36
our lot of laying, you guys should listen. No. We you know,
1:34:38
it's last week. Yeah. I feel like you got lot of
1:34:41
Of course, two weeks ago. Sorry, Matt. I
1:34:43
don't know math. Yep. The next day,
1:34:46
swells up like a balloon, causing Lonita to get suspicious because if Clark is fat
1:34:49
and Super Boy
1:34:52
is fat, then Clark must
1:34:54
be Superboy. Yep. That's pretty much the longest hold deal. Now Superboy
1:34:56
eventually discovers that the entire town
1:34:58
has been drinking milk tainted with growth
1:35:02
formula, and thanks to some stupid cows
1:35:04
who ate tainted crops. Tell me
1:35:06
how
1:35:06
you feel that this cat
1:35:09
is, Jason. Stupid calories. Now
1:35:12
Superboy eventually fixes his secret identity problem
1:35:14
with tricking Lana into doubting that
1:35:16
he and Clark are the same
1:35:19
person. They probably just put some protein
1:35:22
powder in their milk. And another issue
1:35:24
from this time, giant gorilla
1:35:26
with Kryptonite eyes is attacking Superman, and it looks like the laser
1:35:29
beams are shooting Superman right in
1:35:31
the butt. Great. This giant eight
1:35:33
is Taicento, the giant eight
1:35:35
monster who shoots ripped tonight
1:35:37
lasers from his eyes. Great. Now, Taytino is a evil he he's
1:35:39
actually, he's not an evil super intelligent
1:35:42
a like groth. Like, really
1:35:43
groth. This explain
1:35:46
that nor is he an ape with an evil
1:35:48
man's brain like the ultra human
1:35:50
eye. Also, disappointing. Nope.
1:35:51
He's a normal ape
1:35:54
who in his
1:35:55
debut was dubbed one
1:35:56
of the world's most intelligent apes when he
1:35:58
was shot into space and driven that by
1:36:02
space radiation. Great. And Mergent has
1:36:04
a quorum. Titano actually shows
1:36:06
up several times in the
1:36:09
silver age. And he becomes a classic silver a g
1:36:12
villain of Superman. Every
1:36:14
time Superman decides that the
1:36:16
best way to deal with this
1:36:18
giant a space mad creature is to do what, Ashley.
1:36:20
How how do you think Superman? How
1:36:22
do you him at it? Punch him
1:36:25
in his stupid
1:36:25
face. Yeah. Punch him right in his stupid face and
1:36:27
it works every time. Hey, DC Comics.
1:36:30
I know you're listening to this
1:36:32
podcast. I would like to formally
1:36:34
request that you bring a Titanic
1:36:36
back into the current DC Comics brand continuity. Thank
1:36:38
you. He's made actually showed up a couple times post crisis. Look. Great.
1:36:43
Let's go to Superman number one twenty five. Great. On
1:36:45
the cover of this issue,
1:36:48
Superman is blasting
1:36:51
rainbows from his fingertips. This is
1:36:53
the rainbow hand
1:36:55
cover. Here's a fun
1:36:58
fact. Superman
1:36:59
never has rainbow hands inside the
1:37:02
comic. It only happens on the
1:37:04
cover. We
1:37:05
just felt Very day that
1:37:06
day. That's it. That's great. Love it. Superman one twenty five. Here is where
1:37:09
Superman probably gets the
1:37:11
coolest power that he's
1:37:14
ever had? Are you like? No. I'm actually serious. Oh,
1:37:17
yeah. Like the coolest power that I think Superman
1:37:19
can get around. In the story,
1:37:21
Superman gains a
1:37:23
brand new superpower. The ability to shoot
1:37:25
a tiny Superman out of his hand. Dude, that's
1:37:27
dumb. Yes,
1:37:30
you heard me right. There is a tiny super this Tiny
1:37:32
superman. In that, in this superman tan?
1:37:33
Yeah. Sometimes. Where does he live? Like in
1:37:36
his four o? Yeah. I
1:37:38
don't know. And the tiny fortress is all the minuscule is all
1:37:40
due. Inside Superman's So so superman holds
1:37:42
up his hand. A tiny suitman comes
1:37:44
out of his
1:37:46
palm. And this tiny suitman
1:37:48
gets all of Superman's powers, leaving
1:37:50
regular super size Superman to just sort of hang out while tiny Superman saves
1:37:55
people?
1:37:55
Oh, so they can't both have super powers at the same time. So
1:37:57
everyone starts praising tiny Superman for
1:37:59
his heroism. So,
1:38:04
of what if gets jealous. Oh,
1:38:06
silver a superman gets super jealous. Good. And he does the most
1:38:08
silver a g superman
1:38:11
thing that he could ever silver
1:38:13
eighty do. He plots the death
1:38:15
of his tiny duplicate.
1:38:19
I guess I was just really hoping that he said
1:38:19
that, like, he was gonna punch him
1:38:22
and splat him and somethings. Because, you
1:38:25
know, he decides that, of course, was it's only big
1:38:27
enough for one Superman. Regular sized
1:38:29
Superman. Yep. So actually,
1:38:32
normal Superman never gets
1:38:34
the chance to murderize tiny
1:38:36
Superman Tidy Superman actually sacrifices himself to save
1:38:37
Metropolis. And once that happens, normal suit man gets all of his regular
1:38:39
powers back. There's a very funny take on
1:38:42
this story that you could do with one
1:38:44
of Adam characters. I
1:38:46
can't quite figure it out right now, but if someone would like to pay
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me, I'd love to write it. Sure. But, you know, someone who has paid us
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Alright. Let's go back to the Superman in this overage. Is he still tiny?
1:40:17
No. We're gonna Alright. Tiny
1:40:18
Superman died.
1:40:18
Let's go out in the publication history here. Okay.
1:40:21
Now more wiser than you remember him.
1:40:23
Yeah. I like this guy. He had
1:40:25
said during his tenure on Superman that he wanted
1:40:27
to introduce a new concept to Superman every six
1:40:32
months. His goal was to make sure that Superman
1:40:34
was more than a fad. Mhmm. And that is why some
1:40:36
people called this period beginning
1:40:38
in nineteen fifty eight, the Renaissance.
1:40:42
Mhmm. Now, actually, one writer gets more of the credit
1:40:44
than any other writer during the
1:40:46
Superman Renaissance
1:40:47
time, and that is Superman's
1:40:51
binder. Yeah. And you
1:40:51
have heard of
1:40:52
auto binder. Correct, Ashley? Oh, yeah. Now
1:40:54
auto binder,
1:40:55
if you don't know who
1:40:57
he is, he created crypto, the super dog? Yes,
1:41:00
crypto. The phantom
1:41:01
zone. Lucy Lane. Yeah.
1:41:04
Who's that, Ashley?
1:41:05
No. Lana Lang. That's
1:41:08
Lois Lane's little sister who you may
1:41:10
have seen on superhero.
1:41:11
You created Beppo the Super Monkey.
1:41:13
Jason's favorite. He introduced Jimmy Olsen's
1:41:16
signal watch. Nice. And he introduced
1:41:18
the most important character of all
1:41:20
to Tano the super
1:41:21
eight. Oh, auto. Buddy. Yep. Why are you gonna
1:41:23
do that eighth Sith? Also, the
1:41:26
silver age would introduce
1:41:29
the fortress of solitude, which
1:41:31
debuted in nineteen fifty eight and was
1:41:33
also a lit of course located in the
1:41:35
Arctic. It was on the side of
1:41:37
a steep cliff and the fortress was
1:41:39
accessible through only a large gold colored door with a giant keyhole,
1:41:41
which required an enormous key to open
1:41:44
it. Do you like the
1:41:46
big
1:41:46
key? No. Not
1:41:47
really. Okay. It's been revisited a couple times, so
1:41:50
I was just interested if you maybe liked other versions of it. No. I like
1:41:52
actually the All
1:41:55
Star version of it's just a
1:41:57
tiny normal key because it's made of like It's very heavy. Because it's like
1:41:59
of dark matter. Yeah. I only see your man can lift it. Cool. Because there
1:42:01
have been several jokes
1:42:03
in modern story everybody is like,
1:42:05
oh, superman. You put your key outside your door. Of course, we're gonna go inside. Mhmm. So the
1:42:08
arrow shaped key at this
1:42:10
time was so large that only
1:42:13
superman or another corpony in such a supergirl could lift it.
1:42:15
And, of course, it's set outside the fortress front Mhmm. So
1:42:19
there you go. The fortress also soon came
1:42:21
home to be the be the come to home, excuse me, of the bottle city
1:42:23
of Candor. Candor
1:42:27
with a when Braniac showed up. During his first
1:42:29
clash with the Super Crook
1:42:31
Braniac, Superman retrieved Superman's,
1:42:33
which was a Kryptonian city stolen and
1:42:35
shrunk by Branniak before explosion of Krypton. Happy to meet
1:42:38
more survivors, Superman stored the bottle
1:42:40
city in his fortress and promised
1:42:42
to find a way to enlarge them.
1:42:44
And he'd come to fulfill his promise helping the
1:42:47
candor and survivors settle on the planet of Roken. I think that's how you say it, R0KYN.
1:42:49
That's what I would say. I've never heard it
1:42:52
settle out. Cool.
1:42:55
A few months later after finding
1:42:57
Candor, Superman witnessed a
1:42:59
Kryptonian rocket crashing near
1:43:01
metropolis. Mhmm. So your man with the
1:43:03
checkout, what was the the deal with this rocket? And he found his cousin Cara. Cara
1:43:07
Zarell. Cara Zarell. Overjoyed
1:43:09
to find his long lost relative, but unable to take care of her in the time, Superman sent her to or his teen
1:43:11
cousin to midvale orphanage as
1:43:14
he trained her. That's so
1:43:18
weird. I know he could she could just
1:43:20
love it as part of it. It's fine. Cara eventually concluded a training
1:43:22
and was adopted and claimed the name of Supergirl becoming one of
1:43:25
Superman's most trustworthy
1:43:26
allies. Also, we have a Kara episode. If you'd like to go and listen to it. And
1:43:28
then in adventure comics
1:43:31
number two ten, Cripp Do
1:43:35
the super dog show do. He's the goodest
1:43:37
boy. On Krypton, there was
1:43:39
a parallel evolution that led to
1:43:41
the emergence of an analogous species
1:43:44
to Terran cats, simians, birds,
1:43:46
and dogs. Basically, cats, monkeys, birds, and dogs on krypton look exactly the same.
1:43:48
Yep. They were also
1:43:51
domestic companion animal animals Krypton
1:43:54
as they were on Earth. As explained in his
1:43:56
first appearance, Krypto was originally the toddler
1:43:58
cowell's dog when they were both
1:44:00
on Krypton and Dror Kell while testing
1:44:03
some prototypes for the rocket that would
1:44:05
send Kell to Earth, decided to use Krypton
1:44:07
as a test subject. However, Krypto's
1:44:09
rocket was knocked off course and the
1:44:11
rocket get drifted through space for years until it eventually landed on
1:44:12
Earth. Cryptonians aren't that good at aiming
1:44:14
rockets. No. Or the rockets have terrible guidances.
1:44:16
Yeah. There you go. Now
1:44:19
the early appearances of crypto
1:44:21
in the comics usually featured some
1:44:23
exaggerated anthropomorphic facial expressions, but they were
1:44:25
eventually all replaced to
1:44:28
make it just
1:44:30
look like a dog. Sure. Yeah. When
1:44:32
fighting crime, crypto usually wore a gold
1:44:34
collar and and a miniature a similarly
1:44:37
of the famed Superman s symbol
1:44:39
for a dog tag and also a dog sized version of superman's cape.
1:44:41
Whenever he was on Earth and wanted to
1:44:43
appear as an ordinary dog,
1:44:45
Crypto would simply
1:44:47
pull his collar and its
1:44:49
attached cape off, pulling it back on when necessary. In one story, he was gifted
1:44:51
with a collar that
1:44:56
contained attractable cape with the collar that could
1:44:58
be unfurled or or, you know, or unhidden by pressing a
1:45:02
stud on his collar. Now while not accompanying Superboy or
1:45:04
Superman, Krypto spent much of his time
1:45:06
romping through space. However, when he was
1:45:08
on Earth with the Ken
1:45:10
family, he easily posed as their pet
1:45:12
dog skip. They call
1:45:14
him skip on his
1:45:15
own. And in that identity, his guardians would apply a brown die patch on
1:45:17
his back for a disguise when crypto
1:45:19
would later burn it off.
1:45:23
Of the seat vision when he went into Costco. Jesus. So he sort of
1:45:25
just get a spot. He would just
1:45:27
be casual snooping.
1:45:30
Yeah. Basically. So this time,
1:45:32
so many new Kryptonian survivor characters were added to
1:45:34
the Superman lore. Mhmm. And apparently, young comic
1:45:37
readers of the
1:45:40
time loved all of them. They could
1:45:42
not get enough and Superman's book sales actually grew. Wow. Now,
1:45:44
Ashley, I'm gonna ask
1:45:47
you a question here. Do
1:45:49
you think Superman should be the only survivor of Krypton?
1:45:51
We've had this guy in the previous episodes. Or
1:45:55
if not, do you have
1:45:58
a favorite survivor of Krypton that's not Superman? I have feelings about this.
1:45:59
The only human survivor
1:46:02
or the only Kryptonian survivor
1:46:04
that I'm
1:46:07
okay with is And
1:46:10
I and I I
1:46:15
could really This is gonna sound hateful. I don't mean to sound hateful. I like
1:46:17
the character of Supergirl a lot. I've enjoyed
1:46:19
many horror stories. But if
1:46:21
Supergirl went away
1:46:23
from Superman lore and
1:46:25
we never saw anymore Californians again. We just saw -- Superman. -- Superman,
1:46:27
I'd be okay with it. I
1:46:30
would too. But if we're gonna
1:46:33
have one. It should be Cara. I don't need any kryptonian villains, but I got a soft spot for
1:46:36
Krypta.
1:46:39
He's really cute. I'm
1:46:41
surprised you like crypto. I
1:46:42
do like crypto. Is he kind of goofy? He looks like the he looks like my family dog growing up.
1:46:44
No. That's what you like. Why did you
1:46:46
give a cake to your dog, Rona?
1:46:50
No. We were not allowed to dress up our animals. Oh, okay. Also,
1:46:53
she was a lady dog. Well, actually, you
1:46:55
should know that Superman couldn't be
1:46:57
the only superhero to have
1:46:59
their own Superman's So supergirl
1:47:01
got her super pet as well. It's time to talk about streaky.
1:47:03
This super cat. In
1:47:07
action comics number two one in February of nineteen
1:47:10
sixty, Supergirl was experimenting on
1:47:12
a piece
1:47:14
of green kryptonite in an attempt to find a way to neutralize
1:47:16
its deadly effects. When her
1:47:18
experiment failed, she tossed the
1:47:20
kryptonite or ex kryptonite as it
1:47:23
was known in the issue. Out the
1:47:25
window. Though her experiment failed, her current pet,
1:47:27
streaky -- Mhmm. -- came across the
1:47:29
excrypterite and was exposed
1:47:31
to its radiation. And
1:47:34
as the comics described it, due to the unique combination of chemicals and axkryptonite, it has given streaky
1:47:37
is superpower
1:47:40
powers. Now, this
1:47:42
to me says that in comic book history, as a small bill fan, you're gonna
1:47:45
know what I'm
1:47:48
talking about, streaky the is
1:47:50
the very first meteor freak. Yeah. That's a
1:47:53
of course, if you don't
1:47:55
know, we're talking about in smallville, all of Clark's
1:47:57
enemies in the first, like, three to four or five seasons were people that were exposed to the radiation
1:47:59
of Kryptonite and they got
1:48:02
super
1:48:02
powers. That's really that's
1:48:05
That's really cute. And there's a really fun way that you could incorporate that into a
1:48:07
comic book. And I would This is a meteor for I would love D.
1:48:09
C. Hires for that.
1:48:12
Alright, Ashley.
1:48:14
I'm gonna bring to you the challenge
1:48:16
of the super bats.
1:48:18
Oh,
1:48:18
boy. Can
1:48:19
you name
1:48:22
the
1:48:23
four Actually, I'm gonna tell you
1:48:23
this. Can you name all the super
1:48:26
pets? No. Of just superman?
1:48:28
No.
1:48:29
Superman's Even
1:48:31
the ones you know. Kripto -- Yes. -- street heat.
1:48:33
Yep. We got those
1:48:34
two. Appo. Appo
1:48:35
the Super Monkey. Whatever the
1:48:37
horse's name is. Comment.
1:48:40
Oh,
1:48:40
yeah. I'm at the super horse. The one
1:48:42
that's maybe Carl's boyfriend and maybe not. Yeah. Because maybe I missed it. We're not gonna talk about
1:48:44
that.
1:48:47
That's it. Right? There are others. Oh, well, then I have
1:48:49
no idea. Those are the main four. Yeah.
1:48:51
Or those four.
1:48:54
The other ones are You
1:48:57
see the snake?
1:48:58
No. Fun fact. Turtano, the
1:49:01
Superman's, eventually gets eventually
1:49:03
becomes a super patent user. Wanna swear right now. That's dumb. There's also
1:49:08
squawky. The Superman's.
1:49:10
He was from Krypton and was dreamed up by supergirl in an alternate history where her super pet was squawky instead
1:49:15
of Krypto. No. There's
1:49:18
also
1:49:19
there's also superfly who was an
1:49:21
ordinary fly that was actually capable
1:49:23
of the powers and abilities
1:49:26
of
1:49:26
superman. Oh. By
1:49:27
Lexus These are
1:49:27
terrible. No. They
1:49:29
here's one
1:49:29
that you're gonna love. Okay. Is
1:49:32
it
1:49:33
a
1:49:33
fox? No. Is another
1:49:35
cat. Wizzy,
1:49:36
the super cat. What color is Wizzy? I
1:49:38
don't remember. I'm gonna
1:49:39
Google it. I don't know. Wizzie
1:49:42
the Supercat is the thirtieth Century descendant of streaky the Supercat.
1:49:47
Wizzie can stay. Except Wizzie
1:49:49
has gained powers over the course of time and is also telepathic. So you could talk to your
1:49:52
auntie. Great. I
1:49:55
want it. Yeah. Don't remember. I
1:49:57
think Wizzie's the same color. Wizzie's either white or gold. I can't remember it. I will
1:49:59
let you know shortly. Alright. So, actually,
1:50:02
so
1:50:02
we've learned about all the
1:50:05
spepets, and Wizzie's really cool.
1:50:06
Wizzie is a gold. Yeah. Exactly. And also wears a space suit. Well,
1:50:09
it's a dead.
1:50:12
It's gold. And red. It's the
1:50:14
future.
1:50:14
It's amazing. Actually, it's
1:50:15
time to talk about how Superman got
1:50:18
his groove back? No.
1:50:22
Like
1:50:22
when Harry met Sally, it's time
1:50:24
to talk about when Superman
1:50:26
met Batman. Oh,
1:50:27
okay. I was like, Now four years
1:50:30
in the comic books, they appeared in Team Comics rarely. Mhmm.
1:50:32
They would be on the cover, but they wouldn't be
1:50:34
on the inside. And they were both on the cover
1:50:38
of several issues of world's finest. But fun
1:50:41
fact, the comic in the beginning
1:50:43
actually had separate adventures for the
1:50:45
heroes. They never teamed up
1:50:47
in them. Yeah.
1:50:48
Yeah. It was an anthology book originally.
1:50:50
Now it is credited as the cancellation of all star comics that led to
1:50:52
the Superman editors finally teaming
1:50:54
these two icons together. Now, this
1:50:58
actually happened in nineteen fifty one, so
1:51:00
we're kind of backing up chronological even if you're sort
1:51:02
of following it all in time. So the
1:51:05
issue where this happens, the only
1:51:08
issue with Superman, billionaire Bruce
1:51:10
Wayne and reporter Clark Kent found
1:51:12
cells forced to ruin together on a crowded cruise
1:51:14
ship. When a fire erupted on board, Bruce switched the lights off in
1:51:16
an attempt to change into the Batman costume
1:51:18
so he could save the day and
1:51:22
Clark took the opportunity to change in
1:51:24
the Superman at the exact same time.
1:51:26
Fate played its hand in a light
1:51:28
suddenly shown through the cabin's window exposing
1:51:31
each other's secret identity to their bunkmates. Man, the dude who
1:51:33
wrote a selection of the innocents having a
1:51:35
field day. Yep. Though
1:51:37
the heroes forge a friendship by the story's ends, they seemed to be
1:51:40
the end of it and no further mention
1:51:42
of Batman was found in Superman's line of
1:51:44
books. And the same was
1:51:46
true Superman and Batman's books and the pair went their separate
1:51:48
ways and didn't speak
1:51:49
again. But can you imagine if you had been reading
1:51:51
Batman and Superman comics all the
1:51:53
time, there's really no continuity and then this half
1:51:55
happens? Like, it would have been incredible. Yep. By nineteen fifty four,
1:51:57
world's finest economies had moved from
1:51:59
a quarterly title to a bimonthly
1:52:01
one, and the comic was a
1:52:04
huge six eight pages. Now, the decision came
1:52:06
down to shorten the number of pages in the title, and this would drop the cost of the book from
1:52:08
fifteen cents
1:52:11
to a dime. With the hopes that
1:52:14
the bam The price reduction would help the title sell better. However, less pages meant
1:52:16
that one of the
1:52:19
two main features, Batman, or
1:52:22
Superman had to be lost. So
1:52:24
was it gonna be Superman kicked out of world's
1:52:26
finest or was it gonna be Batman?
1:52:29
Now, remembering that the two heroes had
1:52:31
actually met years earlier, an editor rolled the dice and created
1:52:33
a new main feature
1:52:36
featuring both Superman's
1:52:39
and Batman working together issue after issue.
1:52:41
I love that the solution is what
1:52:44
like, we could get rid of
1:52:46
Batman or but why not
1:52:48
Batman? And super
1:52:49
rad. The plan actually worked and world's finest comics became
1:52:51
a must read
1:52:54
title for both the title
1:52:57
ran almost continuously until
1:52:59
nineteen eighty
1:52:59
six. I
1:53:02
maintained that kinda like you mentioned about Lois Lane earlier that there should always be
1:53:05
a real time assignment. Just about to
1:53:07
say that. Like action comics, I was
1:53:09
gonna say, like, I think DC
1:53:11
should always have a title called the world's
1:53:13
finest in some form or aspects. Yeah. I'm glad you
1:53:15
agree with that as well. So
1:53:18
let's move let's talk about several of Superman's underrated
1:53:20
adventures with Batman. Okay. Then this is
1:53:22
just gonna be a bunch of, you
1:53:25
know, a bunch of different ones, you know.
1:53:27
Cool cool. When Superman and Robin from a mob
1:53:29
attack, he would accidentally reveal his
1:53:31
secret identity to lowest lane --
1:53:33
Mhmm. -- prompting Batman and Robin
1:53:35
to help stage and
1:53:38
elaborate hoax in order to once more protect
1:53:40
Superman's
1:53:40
identity. Okay.
1:53:40
Yep. I love
1:53:41
that we don't trust Lois at all. In another adventure,
1:53:43
when Clark Kent and Lois lane
1:53:46
were captured by criminals who used heavy artillery
1:53:48
in their crimes, Batman and Robin were
1:53:50
led to their hideout, thanks to
1:53:53
Superman's secret aid and they captured the thugs.
1:53:55
Now, I'm just gonna say here as a former military person, if criminals are using heavy
1:53:57
artillery, what the hell
1:53:59
are they doing?
1:54:01
Right. And Howard Batman and Robin, a better opposition for
1:54:03
them than super bad. later Batman and came
1:54:06
up with an elaborate hoax
1:54:10
because this is a silver age where Batman
1:54:12
poses as a swan y and
1:54:14
needs a Superman's assistance in order
1:54:16
to capture a group of
1:54:18
crook. Now, actually, would you wanna explain to our audience what a
1:54:20
swamy is? A
1:54:21
swamy is usually a Middle Eastern
1:54:23
or Indian mystical
1:54:26
figure. Usually wear a turban.
1:54:28
Yeah. And they usually
1:54:30
stereotypically play kind of
1:54:32
a flute and they're
1:54:34
like
1:54:34
presented. And a snake
1:54:35
comes up. Yeah. Snake floats in the air. It
1:54:37
is it is something that around the
1:54:40
middle of the
1:54:42
twentieth century became a stereotypical
1:54:44
representation of like a
1:54:46
Hinduistic.
1:54:46
Yes. Correct. Correct. When Batman
1:54:49
was posed to a lethal gas by
1:54:51
the mask mob would killed and Robin made
1:54:54
Batman believe that he
1:54:56
had
1:54:58
add a broken leg to keep him out of
1:55:00
action until the poison
1:55:01
wore off. Gary. Yep. Babin and
1:55:04
Superman also worked together stop the evil
1:55:06
professor pender who used the machine to swap powers between them. Oh, that's cool. Using their respective
1:55:08
abilities super bad man
1:55:10
and normal super man manage
1:55:14
to defeat pender and return to
1:55:16
their normal forms. That's cool. That's
1:55:17
actually a good idea. That would be a
1:55:20
great cartoon today. Sure. Next, Superman
1:55:22
summons Batman and Robin to Metropolis to try and figure out who is trying to reveal Superman's
1:55:24
secret identity. Probably
1:55:27
Superman's. This all turns out
1:55:30
to be a ruse to keep
1:55:32
the dynamic duo preoccupied while Superman travels to
1:55:34
Gotham City to capture the Vero mob. Great.
1:55:37
Yes. Those those star characters. But this, of course, would lead to the
1:55:39
biggest Superman and Batman
1:55:42
Superman's up
1:55:45
ever. Ever. Ever. Their
1:55:47
most important story line the
1:55:52
composite supermodel. I was hoping you weren't gonna
1:55:54
bring that up. Ashley, do you know what this is?
1:55:58
I really only know that he's half
1:55:59
Superman, half I've seen the action figure. Well, I'm
1:56:02
gonna give you the full
1:56:02
the full rundown on the composite
1:56:05
Superman. Great. I've not read this issue.
1:56:07
Joseph Miche was a diver
1:56:09
who had fallen hard times. Okay.
1:56:11
There's just
1:56:12
yeah. There there's no more
1:56:14
stuff to dive to. Okay. And
1:56:15
I and I really miss Well, he could just hold on and go
1:56:17
to Mercieres. And being under the sea in
1:56:19
an octopus's guard. Dude, dude, dude. Dude,
1:56:21
dude. Dude, dude. Dude, dude. Dude, dude.
1:56:24
Dude, dude. In an attempt
1:56:26
to draw publicity to himself, Meach set up a water tank on a sidewalk in metropolis
1:56:29
and dove off
1:56:32
a building. Okay. Unbeknownst to
1:56:34
Meech, the tank was leaking, and Meech would have died if not for the intervention
1:56:36
of Superman catching him. Mhmm.
1:56:38
Upon learning of Meech's misfortunes, Superman
1:56:43
obtained a job for him at the Superman Museum Superman's
1:56:45
was employed as a general. Yes, Superman
1:56:48
has a museum. Cool.
1:56:50
So does the flash? Mhmm. Mecha's
1:56:52
bitterness actually did not subside.
1:56:54
Mhmm. And being surrounded bymomentos
1:56:56
of Superman's career directed his anger
1:56:59
towards Superman. Because he wanted to blame anybody but himself. Typical. One night
1:57:01
as each was sweeping in front of
1:57:03
a series of statues depicting the
1:57:05
legion of superheroes, a
1:57:07
bolt of lightning struck
1:57:09
the display. Okay. The statues who were actually miniature lifeless duplicates of the
1:57:11
Legionnaires and not just actually
1:57:14
statues because it's the silver
1:57:16
age. They
1:57:18
unleashed an energy blast that struck Meach and endowing him with the combined powers of the said
1:57:24
legion members. Determined to defeat
1:57:26
Superman, Batman, and Robin for some reason. Nice. Much
1:57:28
now used his safe shifting
1:57:30
power to turn his skin green
1:57:34
and form a costume that was half a Superman's costume. He
1:57:37
does have a green face. And
1:57:39
half of Batman's costume calling
1:57:42
himself the composites Superman's a
1:57:44
message in both at the hero's bases to meet him
1:57:46
at a mountain. Now why he didn't sneak attack either
1:57:48
of these heroes so he could go inside his
1:57:50
bases? I'll never know. He was a
1:57:51
he's real I was all cool. He's like,
1:57:54
beat me outside somewhere. There at the mountain, he told the heroes that if he was not allowed to join their team,
1:57:59
he would then suppose their secret identities when
1:58:01
she had then learned via
1:58:03
telepathy. Great. Yep. See, so he's badgering these people to
1:58:05
join them. Neither Batman nor
1:58:07
Superman has super powers. Has
1:58:12
telepathy, so I think it's weird that he is.
1:58:13
He got the powers from Allegion. I know. I know. Allegion members
1:58:15
have shaped to the ability.
1:58:16
I know. But it's weird to me
1:58:18
that I mean, where he the composites Superman's a
1:58:21
weird day. Yeah. Now, the composites
1:58:23
Superman then created situations for Superman
1:58:25
and Batman to handle, which he
1:58:27
intentionally sabotaged to who mill ate the
1:58:29
heroes. Mhmm. But of course, the heroes handled them. Yeah.
1:58:31
Yeah. Yeah. The Superman and Batman attempted to expose him by using robot
1:58:35
duplicates, but failed due to his composites or telepathy to read their minds, of
1:58:37
course. Mhmm. And just before Meach was about to
1:58:39
reveal the hero's secret identities,
1:58:41
the powers he gained
1:58:43
from the statues faded
1:58:46
away. Apologies. And Meach tried to write down the secret of his powers in the Superman Museum,
1:58:49
but his
1:58:51
memory faded away, before
1:58:54
he could finish.
1:58:56
I didn't realize that the cause
1:58:58
of the superman Superman's silly.
1:59:00
He's very silly. Like everything the
1:59:02
silver ages should just be a synonym for silly. Absolutely.
1:59:04
Now the silver age is
1:59:07
also the age of Superman that
1:59:09
gives us the most varieties of
1:59:11
kryptonite. Oh, good. So I hope you're ready to
1:59:13
buckle in Ashley because there's a lot of them.
1:59:15
I'm so ready. There
1:59:18
is green kryptonite. The normal one. What does that do, Ashley? It does have
1:59:20
Superman's powers.
1:59:20
It's poisonous super Yeah. Herptonians. Yep.
1:59:23
And it could basically kill them with
1:59:25
long term exposure. Yeah. But it basically
1:59:27
takes away their powers. There's
1:59:29
also red kriptanine. You know what that is? No. But I know it exists. It debuted in
1:59:31
the adventure comics number two fifty
1:59:34
two in nineteen fifty eight.
1:59:38
And Red Crip and I at this time weakened
1:59:40
Superman to a greater degree than Green Crip
1:59:42
and I, but it also causes odd
1:59:46
behavior and bizarre
1:59:48
transformations. In modern story lines, red Kryptonite basically makes
1:59:50
Superman act angry. Okay. So that's kinda where it is. Like a
1:59:51
red lantern. There's anti kryptonite.
1:59:54
You know what that is?
1:59:57
Gives Superman better
1:59:59
powers. Yeah. I mean Yeah.
2:00:04
Yeah. It debuted in action comics
2:00:06
number two fifty two. It's harmless to Peponians, but has the same effect as
2:00:09
the green
2:00:11
variety on normal humans. Oh,
2:00:13
so it's like plutody. Yep. Anti kryptonite is also the power source
2:00:15
for one version of the character of
2:00:17
Ultra Man who
2:00:20
is Superman evil counterpart from the antimatter unit? Yes.
2:00:22
There's also ex kryptonite. I have no idea what that is. We talked about that. It's
2:00:24
the weird version
2:00:27
of there was successful attempt
2:00:29
to make an antidote to green
2:00:30
kryptonite. It's a thermosite. And it made streaky
2:00:31
the super cat. That's
2:00:32
right. Okay.
2:00:34
Excription, I can
2:00:35
say. Yep. What's blue kryptonite, Ashley? Is
2:00:38
that
2:00:38
the one that depowers Bizarro? Yeah. Is it hard?
2:00:40
Blue Kryptonite is
2:00:43
good for Bizarro? Yep.
2:00:46
It's an imperfect
2:00:47
kryptonite, which is FX Bizarro in
2:00:49
the same way. Yep. Mhmm. What
2:00:52
is
2:00:54
white kryptonite? White kryptonite turns you into
2:00:56
a hot green lantern character.
2:00:58
What? Because, like, Kyle's the
2:01:00
white lantern for a
2:01:02
while. I don't know what, like, please, about this joke.
2:01:04
Diabetes in the Venture comics number two seventy
2:01:06
nine, it kills all plant life from any
2:01:10
world. Praful. What is gold? Kryptonite. Gold Kryptonite
2:01:12
is what
2:01:12
you get when you win the Kryptonian
2:01:15
Olympics. Good guess, but no.
2:01:18
Debut in the Venture a member of this one, two ninety nine,
2:01:20
it permanently removes a
2:01:22
Crypto's ability to process
2:01:26
yellow sunlight. Oh,
2:01:27
just a bummer. A lot of people have
2:01:29
supposed that in Superman two, at the end of the
2:01:31
movie, this is what Superman used to get rid
2:01:33
of Zod's powers even though you never see
2:01:35
it on
2:01:36
screen. That's
2:01:36
a fun fan theory. I can I can
2:01:38
get behind that. What is Silver Kryptonite? Silver Kryptonite is what you
2:01:39
get when you come in second
2:01:40
at the Kryptonian Olympics?
2:01:43
Good guess, but no. It
2:01:45
debuted in Superman's Powell Jimmy Olsen number seventy. It was revealed
2:01:47
by Jimmy Olsen to be a hoax. But in post
2:01:49
crisis in Superman number
2:01:52
forty six, It
2:01:54
was modeled at the version that appeared into the smallville TV
2:01:56
series. Silvercripps that might cause the Kardashians
2:01:58
to suffer from altered
2:01:59
perceptions, loss of
2:02:02
inadmissions, and extreme hunger, crypt cravings. Sounds like it makes some
2:02:04
little
2:02:04
snow. Yep. The script in my also
2:02:06
causes Superman to hallucinate his greatest
2:02:09
fear of it attacking general's during the final episode
2:02:11
of season two Supergirl on the
2:02:14
CW. What is Juul
2:02:18
Kryptonite? Juul Kryptonite is what you give your kryptonian fiancee
2:02:20
when you want her to marry you.
2:02:22
Good guess, but not
2:02:23
correct. I've never
2:02:24
heard of those. In fact, in
2:02:27
action comics number three ten, They
2:02:29
are fragments of Krypton's jewel mountains. Oh, okay. And
2:02:31
they amplify the
2:02:31
psychic powers of criminals imprisoned in the
2:02:34
Phantom Zone, which is very very simple.
2:02:36
They very
2:02:39
specific. Right. There you go. There's a bunch more, but
2:02:41
most of them are hoax versions or whatever. I
2:02:43
mainly wanted to stick to the
2:02:45
main color. Cool. Now before we get out of
2:02:47
a silver age, there are two
2:02:49
stories that I wanna touch upon.
2:02:52
The first one is a guy that
2:02:54
we've sort of already talked about. But to me, he is one
2:02:56
of Superman's most important
2:02:57
villains, and I think he doesn't get a fair shake,
2:02:59
and I think he is
2:03:01
one of Superman.
2:03:02
No. Although, this
2:03:04
villain would have so much fun with
2:03:06
Tatiana. This is the villain that
2:03:08
would usually say I was
2:03:11
hoping
2:03:11
you're gonna
2:03:13
talk about bizarre. Me
2:03:15
and bizarre. Please request
2:03:18
the bizarre lesson than Jason. Me. You must teach
2:03:20
all in bursaries. Me hate
2:03:22
that idea about our elementary
2:03:24
lesson. Me hate
2:03:26
Ashley. Yeah. Me hate Ashley, big time. Yeah. Me hate talking like this. Me,
2:03:32
Me too. Me,
2:03:35
you you hate me talking like
2:03:37
this? Yeah. Oh, good. Meebazar
2:03:39
will do it
2:03:41
more. Great. Meebazar O team Bizarro do it
2:03:43
less. There you go. See me Bizarro. I am
2:03:45
so on track with alba Bizarro
2:03:47
to help you. It
2:03:51
would be so much fun and
2:03:53
so you're dating. Yes, it would
2:03:56
be. So
2:03:59
there are two sort of bizarre origins.
2:04:01
Okay. Okay. A scientist on Earth is demonstrating his newly invented
2:04:04
duplicating ray
2:04:06
to Superboy. Remember him?
2:04:08
Oh, yeah. He's fat. Yep. And an accident causes there don't
2:04:10
body shame, Superboy? I'm not body shaming him. I'm seeing a fact. In an accident, no
2:04:14
opinion on it. And an accident causes the ray to duplicate the Superboy.
2:04:17
The copy quickly labeled Bizarro
2:04:19
is a flawed imitation
2:04:21
as it possesses chalk white skin and childlike
2:04:24
erratic behavior, which is I don't see
2:04:26
how that's any different than Super White. Yeah.
2:04:32
Sure. Sure. Yep. Shunned by the
2:04:34
people of smallville, Bizarro Bur friend's a blind girl. But he --
2:04:36
Oh, yeah. -- but he loses all hope
2:04:38
when he realizes that the girl did
2:04:42
shut him or flee him because she was blind. Yeah.
2:04:45
That's
2:04:45
I actually think that's really really
2:04:48
sad. Superboy
2:04:50
is eventually forced to kill the less than perfect clone
2:04:52
using the remains of the duplicating
2:04:54
machine which acts like blue kryptonite.
2:04:57
Oh. Years afterward, Superman's Arch foe, Lex
2:04:59
Luther, re creates the duplicating ray and uses on the grown hero, hoping to
2:05:03
control the duplicate. This
2:05:06
bizarre that is created,
2:05:08
however, is confused, stating
2:05:10
me not human, me not
2:05:12
creature. Me not
2:05:14
even Annamo. Me unhappy. Me don't belong in world of living
2:05:20
people. We don't know difference
2:05:22
between right and wrong, good and evil. There's a taste there of
2:05:27
what the Bizarro Guy flow lesson would be might be liking those direct quote
2:05:30
from that appearance. Wow. Luther is
2:05:32
arrested by Bizarro for
2:05:34
recreating him because Bizarro m
2:05:37
Bizarro, not good boy. There you
2:05:39
go. But forgotten, as Bizarro attempts to emulate Superman and creating havoc
2:05:42
in the city ofropus
2:05:45
almost exposing Superman's Secret Identity as Clark Kent.
2:05:47
When Bizarro falls in love with reporter Lois Lane,
2:05:52
she used the duplicating ray on herself
2:05:54
to create a bizarro Lois. I didn't know that. Yeah. Which I think should be called
2:05:56
b
2:05:57
Lois. Who is
2:05:58
instantly attracted to bizarro. Oh,
2:06:01
The bizarro's leave earth together determined to find a home where they could find themselves. And there are
2:06:04
more bizarro tales including
2:06:06
the bizarro family and a
2:06:08
bizarro
2:06:11
world, but those are the two that I wanna talk about. Cool. Are you
2:06:13
looking up a picture of Bizarro Lois? Yeah. I
2:06:15
am. Oh, she's on her
2:06:18
phone right now. Ashley, cute. She got
2:06:21
cute hair. She got a dress. She's very cute. She's cute.
2:06:23
And she's also been brought back recently in Superman rework. Client
2:06:25
probe is our
2:06:28
lowest. Yep.
2:06:28
And also, boys are always been brought back
2:06:30
as well, which have been created by Patrick Gleeson and Peter Temasek. But Ashley, of course, I
2:06:32
saved the
2:06:35
best for last -- Oh, boy. -- we are
2:06:37
going to talk about what I consider
2:06:39
to be the most
2:06:42
important Superman storyline of all time. boy. And,
2:06:44
actually, you know me. Yeah.
2:06:47
Listeners know me. Do you
2:06:49
have any guesses what I
2:06:51
consider to be the
2:06:54
most important Superman's Silver Age storyline of all time. The one that has the most far reaching effects
2:06:57
has changed
2:06:59
more lives and has
2:07:03
created the best covers. That's
2:07:05
I I wanna I
2:07:08
really hope it's the one where
2:07:10
they make Robin and Jimmy Olsen dig
2:07:12
their own
2:07:12
graves. No.
2:07:13
That's not
2:07:13
correct. But that's
2:07:14
what the world's fine. It's true. Yeah. It's not a This is in Superman.
2:07:18
I also can't tell if you're joking or not. I am serious
2:07:20
as as
2:07:21
as as a but As the Dickens
2:07:23
As as a Bizara
2:07:24
would be. I
2:07:26
don't
2:07:26
know. I honestly don't know. We're
2:07:29
gonna talk about the most important Superman storyline of all time --
2:07:31
Yeah. -- which is called red
2:07:37
and superman blue. Oh,
2:07:40
spit. Now
2:07:44
the original Superman's Superman Bluetail is
2:07:46
an imaginary story that first appeared in Superman one sixty
2:07:48
two in July
2:07:51
of nineteen sixty
2:07:52
three. Actually written by Leo Doorman. What a great
2:07:54
name? Drawn by Chris
2:07:54
Swan, the legendary Superman Artist. Oh, he dressed such a cute
2:07:57
Superman. Now in
2:08:00
this story, Superman is compelled to finish
2:08:02
a list of unaccomplished goals, including the enlargement of the bottle city of candor which he hadn't
2:08:04
done at this time, and
2:08:06
eliminating crime and evil from earth.
2:08:09
And in order to accomplish these goals, Superman invents
2:08:11
a machine powered by various types of kryptonite
2:08:14
that will increase his intelligence.
2:08:19
The machine works, increasing Superman's intelligence a
2:08:21
hundred fold, but with the unexpected
2:08:23
side effect of
2:08:25
spreading Superman into twin beings,
2:08:27
one outfitted in an all Superman costume and the other in
2:08:30
an all blue version. The twins name
2:08:32
themselves, red
2:08:35
and superman blue. Very creative.
2:08:38
Now, the twin superman
2:08:40
successfully enlarged
2:08:42
candor freeing its citizens from their bottle prison. They then
2:08:44
bring the remnants of Krypton back together,
2:08:47
creating a pilot called new
2:08:50
Kryptonite. They eliminate all existing kryptonite as well, and
2:08:52
the two Superman going to create
2:08:54
an anti evil rey, which
2:08:57
can cure criminal
2:08:59
tendencies in anyone. They placed the ray
2:09:02
into satellite orbit around Earth, carrying not only villains such as Lex Luther and mister MiXil
2:09:04
Spitlik, but
2:09:07
caught omunists such as Nikolai, Krushev, and
2:09:10
Fidel Castro. Why? Yes.
2:09:12
The reformed Luther then goes
2:09:14
on to invent a serum that
2:09:17
cures all known diseases, which he puts in the water supplies
2:09:19
of every country across
2:09:24
the world. With
2:09:26
nearly all the world's problems
2:09:28
solved, the two have time to
2:09:30
deal with personal matters. And the split
2:09:33
allowed them to resolve the long love
2:09:35
triangle between Superman, Lois Lane, and Lana Lane. That's right. And Jimmy
2:09:36
Olsen, no such to
2:09:38
be all. And Jimmy? Yes. Are
2:09:41
a square. Each woman claims her own Superman and they have a triple
2:09:44
wedding Boy,
2:09:46
that's not troubling at all.
2:09:50
Blue Mary's Wanna, Superman Red Mary's Lois, and Lucy Lane finally
2:09:55
marries Jimmy Olsen.
2:09:57
Okay. Superman red decides to live on new Krypton, sacrificing his powers because
2:09:59
he's under a red sun. Mhmm. And Superman
2:10:03
blue remains on it's starting
2:10:05
a Superman family. Now, again, as you can see
2:10:07
with that happy
2:10:11
ending, that the important Superman storyline of all time? That
2:10:14
will completely pay off in about
2:10:16
twenty. Mhmm.
2:10:20
Now before we leave the silver age, there's
2:10:22
a couple of things we have to talk about. Okay. Superman debuted on
2:10:24
Broadway during the silver age
2:10:26
in a musical called, it's a
2:10:29
it's the plane. It's Superman. Exactly one good song in it. Yep. It's a musical comedy and it closed after
2:10:31
a hundred and
2:10:35
twenty eight performances Go
2:10:37
Google use some YouTube clips. Hopefully, the Mind University will share some of these clips.
2:10:39
It's really funny to watch.
2:10:42
And soon, editor, more Morte
2:10:47
Weisinger -- That guy. -- who is
2:10:49
responsible in my opinion for the
2:10:51
Superman Renaissance, would leave
2:10:54
DC in nineteen seventy And that
2:10:57
would end the silver age of
2:10:58
Superman. Oh, baby. And there you go.
2:11:00
There is
2:11:01
the silver age of
2:11:04
Superman Superman's. Of
2:11:06
geek history lesson. That
2:11:07
was good. Yeah. Was that good? Yeah. You did all kinds of crazy stuff. Alright. Let's go recommended reading.
2:11:13
Where professor Jason is gonna recommend a whole bunch of cool stuff that you can read
2:11:15
if you were particularly taken with a silver age
2:11:18
of You can find
2:11:20
that
2:11:21
and all of our past recommended reading at geek
2:11:23
history lesson dot com slash recommended reading. That's right. You go over there.
2:11:26
You click on these you
2:11:28
buy these books, you support the Mind
2:11:31
University. Mhmm. First one is Batman and Superman in world's finest, the silver age
2:11:36
volume one. This is a lot of the early world's
2:11:38
finances in Newark collection. It also collects Superman seventy six, which is their first meeting
2:11:40
that I told you
2:11:42
about in the cruise. Nice. I the
2:11:44
other thing is a couple of trades. They're Superman in the fifties. It's
2:11:46
out of print, but you can still buy some copies on Amazon, and
2:11:50
there's a lot of the good Silver Age storylines. And there's also Superman
2:11:52
in the sixties, which is another trade as
2:11:54
well. It's also out of print, but
2:11:57
you can find it This has classic story lines
2:11:59
like Superman's Return to Krypton and a lot
2:12:02
of good super baby jimmyols and Lois
2:12:04
Lane
2:12:05
story lines. Cool. So Let's go into
2:12:07
the discussion. We're we're gonna discuss
2:12:09
stuff. Ashley. Yeah. What are
2:12:11
your thoughts on the
2:12:14
silver
2:12:15
age of Superman? I have I have a lot of
2:12:17
different and complicated thoughts about the Silver Age
2:12:20
in general because
2:12:23
it's I don't enjoy very much
2:12:25
of it. However, I think
2:12:27
with a character like Superman and
2:12:29
I think you putting it at the
2:12:31
top of this lesson and highlighting it
2:12:34
throughout your breakdown was very interesting and illuminating for me. I think for Superman,
2:12:36
it's maybe one
2:12:39
of his most definitive
2:12:40
ages. Yes. Like,
2:12:41
I think it's so fascinating that The silliest
2:12:43
age created the
2:12:46
most random we
2:12:47
know. Wisinger. That's the editor's name. Or Wisinger. It's kinda like
2:12:49
the Bill Fanger, you
2:12:50
know, is Bill Fanger a surveillance. For
2:12:52
He is
2:12:53
the facilitator of so many
2:12:56
things that define who
2:12:58
Superman is. And it's you're right. It is wild that it came out of a lot of
2:13:00
silliness. Mhmm. Do
2:13:03
you know? No. Guess
2:13:06
I think it's important is what it comes down. It is important. It's an it's an aspect of this moment
2:13:12
on,
2:13:13
Superman is solidified. This is the superman that we know. This is the
2:13:15
superman that we know. Mhmm. But it's also
2:13:16
the change, and we're gonna get in
2:13:17
that. We're
2:13:17
gonna get a little bit of that, and the geekish
2:13:20
wasn't extra. Alright.
2:13:23
It's going to the t g tweet. We're in one hundred and forty characters
2:13:25
or less because we're old school. Professor Jason
2:13:27
is gonna summarize everything that he
2:13:29
just taught us about Silverman
2:13:32
in the Silver
2:13:32
Age, and you can find
2:13:35
this tweet at GHL podcast. Silver Age Superman. Did
2:13:39
you know that Superman once refused Aquaman a glass of
2:13:42
water when he was moments away
2:13:44
from death?
2:13:47
True story, hashtag, super dupe. Now we're to the
2:13:49
last section, hashtag, stick around. Hashtags. Go use
2:13:51
that on Twitter. To let us know that
2:13:53
you stick around for these episodes. Ashley,
2:13:55
I saved one Superman's
2:13:58
age story --
2:13:59
Oh, okay. -- for the very end.
2:14:01
This is the story of Superman and Lois
2:14:03
Lane's baby wedding.
2:14:06
Oh, no. This
2:14:08
is a bad one. Do you know about this
2:14:10
one? Yes. Okay. So hashtag stick around, guys. I'm
2:14:12
saving this just for you listeners who
2:14:14
stick around to the very end of the podcast -- Mhmm. -- and support us,
2:14:16
you know, pimping all our stuff that we pimp.
2:14:18
Yeah. So there you go. This is in
2:14:21
nineteen sixty three and Superman's girlfriend
2:14:23
Lois Lane number forty two. A
2:14:25
horrible accident changes Lois' personality so much that
2:14:27
she blackmail Superman into Superman's
2:14:31
her. Superman who is, like, never gonna be
2:14:34
hoodwinked into Mary and Lois Lane, of
2:14:36
course. He disguised -- Not during the
2:14:38
soviet age. -- he disguised as an
2:14:40
alien age reversal
2:14:42
potion as perfume and allows his craze brine to spritz herself.
2:14:47
Now, this plan works. But the fun
2:14:50
fact is that Lois accidentally sprays the substance on the man of steel too. Mhmm.
2:14:52
So the potion deages
2:14:55
the duo even further to
2:14:58
the point that baby Lois and
2:15:00
baby Superman have diapers on -- Yep.
2:15:02
-- and they're actually wheeled into
2:15:05
a chapel for an insane infant
2:15:07
wedding. But because Lois can't say anything but Goo
2:15:09
goo when asked do you take
2:15:11
this man, the
2:15:14
wedding is called And the
2:15:16
de aging potion wears off. That's the silver age
2:15:18
folks. Yeah. It's worth
2:15:19
googling just for the picture. The pictures are
2:15:21
hilarious of seeing
2:15:22
the panel of Lowe's going. Googoo. You
2:15:26
take this man.
2:15:26
Go goo. Awesome. Yep. It is awful. And that is it for this geek lesson
2:15:29
on Superman's, this
2:15:32
over age. When was Superman
2:15:34
the bronze age
2:15:35
come? I don't know. Request it online.
2:15:37
Hey. I'm Jason, Superman Red, Superman Blue in.
2:15:39
I'm Ashley Victoria
2:15:41
Robinson and professor Jason,
2:15:43
will you please dismiss
2:15:45
the class? Gigg history lesson
2:15:47
is never dismissed.
2:15:50
Up in the
2:15:53
sky, it's
2:15:57
a bird. It's a plane. No. It's
2:16:00
Superman in the bronze age. Your geek
2:16:02
history lesson on Superman in the bronze
2:16:04
age is now in
2:16:06
session. Hello, and welcome to geek history
2:16:08
lesson. I am Jason. Sometimes, bronze
2:16:10
in men. I am Ashley Victoria
2:16:12
Robinson. Welcome to your Mind
2:16:14
University because you have Stumble onto the
2:16:16
podcast where we take one character construct or a piece
2:16:19
of publishing history from popular culture and teach you everything you
2:16:21
need to know about them in
2:16:23
about an hour and This
2:16:26
is part of a twofold iconic series
2:16:28
in that with some of the very big
2:16:30
DC comics characters who've been around for almost
2:16:34
Century now. It's gonna see a millennium.
2:16:37
We are breaking them up by publishing
2:16:39
era. So this is the ongoing Superman series, and this is also our
2:16:43
first character to enter the bronte. Yes.
2:16:45
And we'll we'll get more into that in just a second. We're talking about Superman today because Superman
2:16:48
is hitting the
2:16:52
small screen with Superman and Lois
2:16:55
on the CW and that is
2:16:57
why we are doing another installment
2:17:00
of history because like Ashley said,
2:17:02
it is so big. You cannot fit this
2:17:04
into one episode. And there's so many stories
2:17:06
that you don't wanna gloss over in
2:17:08
so many things. So to explain
2:17:11
what we let me explain
2:17:15
the ages to you. Now, none
2:17:17
of these are super official. It's what a bunch of comic
2:17:19
nerds like myself and
2:17:23
like you have decided. Mhmm. So there's
2:17:25
a lot of arguments on either way about the years
2:17:27
or whatever. This is just what we've decided to do. You
2:17:31
know, it's our podcast. Exactly. Just
2:17:33
go with it. Alright. The golden age is from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen fifty
2:17:35
six most people agreed
2:17:40
that it begins with action comics
2:17:42
number one, and it ends with the first appearance of Barry Allen in Showcase number four fifty six.
2:17:49
The silver age, of course, begins with that appearance of
2:17:51
baryllis, the new flash, and
2:17:55
it goes until nineteen seventy.
2:17:57
Basically, The silver age was restricted storytelling
2:17:59
with often silly stories, but
2:18:01
we start to get hints
2:18:03
of more depth. You know,
2:18:06
basically, Barry Allen, also some people say the star dose outrage is the introduction of the Comics
2:18:10
Code Authority.
2:18:11
Mhmm. Would you wanna explain what that is
2:18:13
just in case somebody doesn't know? The Comics
2:18:15
Code Authority was kind of like the there's a motion picture version, but I can't it stands for.
2:18:17
The NBA. Thank you.
2:18:19
I don't know what
2:18:22
the acronym Sam motion
2:18:24
picture something. I think it's the
2:18:26
Arts Association. Association. Where basically a
2:18:28
governing body decided that comics were too
2:18:30
gay because of Batman and Robin, AND
2:18:33
SO THEY SET DOWN A BUNCH OF
2:18:35
RULES TO MAKE IT LESS GAY, LESS
2:18:38
OFFENSIVE, MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY. AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THE
2:18:40
RESTRICTION a lot
2:18:42
of creativity into the
2:18:43
medium. They don't exist anymore. Yes. Now,
2:18:45
this the next age is the bronze age, which is from nineteen seventy to nineteen
2:18:48
eighty five. And
2:18:51
that is the one we're
2:18:53
covering today. The precipitating event is many things, is Jack Kirby leaving Marvel for
2:18:56
DC or Gwen
2:19:00
Stacey killed in Spider Man
2:19:02
one twenty one. Mhmm. Interesting.
2:19:04
The next day after that
2:19:07
so we go to the next Superman, it will
2:19:09
be Superman, the Dark Age. The next one is
2:19:11
Dark and from eighty get grittier, they
2:19:17
get morally ambiguous, and sometimes they
2:19:19
stray into terrible bad juvenileism
2:19:21
while pretending to be mature
2:19:23
comics. Many people think that that starts
2:19:25
with either Christ's Earth's The Dark Knight returns slash Watchmen
2:19:27
depending on what you want. Yeah. Now the modern age two thousand to
2:19:33
now. And it's basically also
2:19:36
being called the Electrom Age
2:19:38
or the Digital Age, depending
2:19:40
on the rise of Digital
2:19:42
Comics. Sculptor a reboot age. But, basically, they're saying that it starts at two thousand because that is post the Marvel bankruptcy
2:19:49
also post the effects of the popping
2:19:51
of the speculator bubble. But the house people attribute the beginning of the modern age
2:19:55
in two thousand because they're a little
2:19:57
old movie called X Men. The popularity of superhero movies affecting comic books.
2:20:00
Oh, interesting. Yes. So
2:20:02
that are those
2:20:04
are all the ages
2:20:07
where you're talking about the bronze age
2:20:09
today? Nineteen seventy to nineteen eighty
2:20:11
five. Cool little fifteen years there. Now
2:20:13
just to let you know, we have
2:20:15
covered Superman twice. Episode 108
2:20:18
is Superman the Golden
2:20:19
Age. Episode 207 is Superman
2:20:21
in the silver Age. And so it's
2:20:23
been a while. So about every kind
2:20:25
of episodes, we get to a Superman one,
2:20:28
and we are behind on Batman and
2:20:30
whatnot. We are behind on Batman. These episodes
2:20:32
take quite a most. They take
2:20:34
a lot of time. So yeah, that's
2:20:36
the reason why. But now it's time for
2:20:38
us to drop into Superman, the Bronze Age
2:20:41
before we get to that, if you
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Now, Before we get to the bronze age, Ashley, we had to talk
2:21:27
about the silver age. Yeah. Give
2:21:31
you
2:21:32
a little recap. In the silver age,
2:21:34
Superman got his super pets. Yep. Name one of them.
2:21:38
Shriky. Who's Shriky? This
2:21:40
is super
2:21:41
girls cat. Yeah. Named Superman's Dog. Krypta. We're
2:21:43
gonna talk about him more. We learned about
2:21:46
in the Silver Age, we learned about all
2:21:48
the different forms of Kryptonite. So yeah. Superman
2:21:50
became red and blue for the very first time.
2:21:54
Mhmm. But now it's time for
2:21:56
change. This is a time for Superman
2:21:59
to become a little bit
2:22:01
more like the modern Superman that
2:22:03
we know. Interesting. Now let's talk about
2:22:05
some publication history for the bronze age.
2:22:07
Morte was the on Superman nineteen forty nineteen seventy Superman's
2:22:13
Weisinger -- Yep. -- was the editor throughout most
2:22:15
of the golden age
2:22:17
and most of the silver. Mhmm.
2:22:19
He wanted to make sure that
2:22:22
Superman was always kind of wacky because that way Superman would be considered
2:22:27
kid friendly. Mark Weisinger retired
2:22:29
in nineteen seventy and Julius Schwartz took over. Now,
2:22:31
in a later
2:22:34
interview, Mark Weisinger admitted that he
2:22:36
had grown out of touch with
2:22:39
newer readers. Julius Swartz basically wanted to
2:22:43
take away all the
2:22:45
additional elements of the superman mythos saying that this was
2:22:48
watering down superman. So
2:22:50
he didn't want the super
2:22:51
pets, he didn't want all the
2:22:53
ultimate cryptonians, he didn't want all the wacky. He just wanted to tell stories
2:22:55
about Superman. And
2:22:59
somewhere, the cells that would become
2:23:01
little Jason said, yes. Yes. Do any
2:23:03
grip tonnias.
2:23:05
Yes. Now, mister Schwartz's first
2:23:07
act was to get writers
2:23:09
like Denny O'Neil. Mhmm. Elliot s Megan, one of the most
2:23:11
important Superman writers of all time, and Carrie Bates to tone
2:23:16
down the weirdness and to bring in new
2:23:18
stories and themes. They wanted to remove overused plot elements such as robot, doppelgangers,
2:23:22
and eventually they
2:23:25
would change Clark
2:23:28
Kent's job. We will get to
2:23:30
that. Okay. Schwartz also scaled down
2:23:32
Superman's powers closer to the level that
2:23:34
was intended by Siegel and Schuster
2:23:37
the original Superman creators because they
2:23:39
did not want a Superman that
2:23:41
could punch a planet out of
2:23:43
orbit. Mhmm. So The bronze age of Superman's
2:23:46
you talking about the fictional publication history
2:23:48
now? Or, excuse me, the fictional history of the cast?
2:23:50
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It all started with the buyout.
2:23:54
Of the daily planet.
2:23:56
What? Now galaxy broadcasting system did
2:23:58
a corporate buyout of the daily planet.
2:24:03
Immediately in the bronzer is
2:24:05
reshuffling the traditional roles of the planet's reshuffling all the planet's
2:24:08
traditional roles by
2:24:11
their new owner, a man called
2:24:13
Morgan Edge. Mhmm. Now Morgan Edge is the president of the GBS,
2:24:16
the Globe galaxy
2:24:19
broadcasting system of course, and
2:24:21
he's secretly the leader of intergang.
2:24:23
And he became the president in
2:24:26
the controlling factor of the
2:24:28
Daily Planet by buying a lot
2:24:30
of Daily Planet
2:24:31
stock. Now Ashley, Can
2:24:34
you explain what EnterGang is? And
2:24:36
do you and do you know
2:24:38
the big secret of EnterGang? EnterGang is like an alien crime syndicate? Not
2:24:44
You're not cool. You're kinda
2:24:46
there. That's the best I got. And I'm gonna say that their secret is that they
2:24:52
worship all of Superman's Superman's, and they're really upset
2:24:55
that the editor for benching them. Intergang
2:25:00
is something that
2:25:01
I have heard reference, and I know I've
2:25:03
spoken about in lessons before. I've I
2:25:05
don't think I've ever read a story with
2:25:08
Intergang. Intergang is basically, like, think about the
2:25:10
mob and metropolis except they're sort of futuristic because they use all types of alien
2:25:13
weapons. They are humans. Okay. So it wasn't completely
2:25:16
right. They are based on metropolis. But they are
2:25:18
being funded by aliens. And that's That's
2:25:19
right. Yeah. The big secret
2:25:22
is that they're being funded by Dark
2:25:24
Side. Mhmm. Yes.
2:25:25
Dark Side is secretly using them to
2:25:27
mess with Superman. Yes. Because they do they are they're involved in all the fourth world Yes.
2:25:32
Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm gonna count
2:25:33
I'm gonna give myself half point for that. Like I said, you were close. I just had I just had the words in
2:25:35
the
2:25:35
wrong world. there. Yeah.
2:25:40
So
2:25:40
there we
2:25:41
go. Okay. But before we get to that, and I'll be entertaining this.
2:25:43
And Clark Kent's new job. Pretty
2:25:46
sure I know what is
2:25:47
this, Joe. You
2:25:48
probably know. We have
2:25:49
talked about it before. Yeah. There's a change
2:25:51
to kryptonite. Okay. In story nevermind. Is
2:25:55
it the pink Kryptonite that
2:25:58
makes
2:25:59
you gay? No. Actually, fun one. Besides your thoughts on pink overnight?
2:26:03
Yes. I wanna ask
2:26:04
you, I don't know if we've
2:26:06
talked about this on any of the podcast. And and three hundred episodes, it's getting hard to remember. Uh-huh. We're closing
2:26:11
on three hundred fifty. Wait. This might be episode
2:26:13
3II know you.
2:26:14
This is We're recording is ahead of time. Who knows what the number is? Yeah. Anyway, time. Back to kryptonite, the
2:26:21
more important number or element. Ashley,
2:26:23
I don't know your thoughts on kryptonite. What do you feel about kryptonite? Goofy, silly. Do you like it?
2:26:25
Is it a necessary part of Superman?
2:26:27
I'm giving you a lot of elements.
2:26:29
I I honestly don't know what you
2:26:32
think about
2:26:33
crypto night. I Are you concerned that
2:26:35
it's in our modern world and it could
2:26:37
ruin our lives? That keeps me up
2:26:39
by night. Does it because I know
2:26:41
you own a chunk of it. I do.
2:26:44
You own several chunks of cream on a plastic one and
2:26:46
a soap one and That's why it keeps me up at
2:26:48
night. I
2:26:51
think for a contemporary
2:26:53
audience -- Yes. -- I think
2:26:55
we're past it. So
2:26:59
you would get rid of Kryptonite altogether. I
2:27:01
would. Yeah. Because every time it shows up, my eyes roll
2:27:03
right out of my skull. Including
2:27:06
in
2:27:06
BVS. Mhmm. I was, like, freaking
2:27:08
real
2:27:09
Wait. Wait. What's beat versus
2:27:11
BVS? A Batman versus Superman. Colin,
2:27:13
Donna Justice, which is a
2:27:15
movie that I enjoy. Sure.
2:27:18
Donna and I think it
2:27:19
is silly. I think it is
2:27:22
a mark of when
2:27:23
it was created. Yes. Of
2:27:26
all those superman things that
2:27:28
are silly, It's probably the one that
2:27:30
I like the least. Like, I don't have
2:27:32
issues with the glasses as the identity hider. Mhmm.
2:27:34
The way III just think Kryptonite is
2:27:36
dumb. Okay.
2:27:37
That's a fair view point. But also, I
2:27:39
do understand that when you work with a
2:27:41
character with this type of legacy, you do
2:27:43
your best with traditions, and it is
2:27:45
a part of swimwear's
2:27:47
tradition. But, yeah, I think it's silly. How
2:27:49
about you?
2:27:49
I like
2:27:50
it, but
2:27:51
like the joke think it's Correct. And that why that is why I'm
2:27:53
a big fan
2:27:54
of this
2:27:55
CryptoKnife storyline by Denny O'Neil.
2:27:58
Alright. Tell me about it. So
2:28:01
Here's
2:28:01
the story line of Kryptonite nevermore. And you
2:28:03
know the story line of Kryptonite nevermore. And I
2:28:05
would say most of our listeners know this story because the cover
2:28:08
is Superman
2:28:10
wrapped in green chain. Oh, I love that color. Breaking
2:28:12
them
2:28:12
with this --
2:28:13
Yeah. -- they made a statue out of them. They made several statues of it. Osters of it. It's
2:28:15
it's a very famous and iconic image. And actually, I
2:28:19
would share it on the GHL
2:28:21
socials, so everyone gets to see it. It's a very very famous cover for more.
2:28:24
Now, In
2:28:27
Kryptonite, evermore. Superman helps out
2:28:30
with an experiment involving green Kryptonite as a new and alternative power source.
2:28:36
Of course because this is
2:28:38
comics, the experiment goes haywire
2:28:40
and the energy harnessing machine
2:28:43
explodes. Now to
2:28:45
stop this. Tries to contain the explosion, but he fails and is knocked out by
2:28:47
the full blast
2:28:52
of the explosion that is filled
2:28:54
with green kryptonite. But strangely, The
2:28:56
explosion also causes all forms
2:28:58
of kryptonite on earth to
2:29:01
transform into harmless iron. Which is
2:29:03
in turn interpreted by Superman is now he's like, oh, I'm basically invulnerable
2:29:09
now. Mhmm. So now Kryptonite
2:29:11
is gone. No longer in the Superman mythos. never see it
2:29:13
like a week. You'll
2:29:15
never see it again.
2:29:18
This is permanent. I'm so
2:29:20
happy
2:29:21
What a
2:29:22
relief. A pause by all the
2:29:24
comments with fans across the world. Kryptonite's gone
2:29:26
everybody. We don't have to worry about anymore.
2:29:29
Now
2:29:30
let's talk about Clark Kent's new
2:29:32
job. Okay. Clark
2:29:33
Kent. He's hired by Morgan Edge to be a television reporter --
2:29:35
Yeah. -- for WGBS,
2:29:39
and his first assignment is
2:29:41
to cover an experimental mailing
2:29:43
rocket that will travel from metropolis to Los Angeles. When Clark spots some
2:29:49
criminals who want their rocket for their own
2:29:51
purposes. He goes into
2:29:54
action as Superman. However, he
2:29:56
begins to notice that his
2:29:58
heat vision doesn't work. Right? It's all weird. As well as
2:30:02
he's not as strong as
2:30:04
he used to be. And when he
2:30:06
returns to metropolis, fulfilling his job reporting about the rocket launch, a
2:30:12
figure resembling Superman but Superman made
2:30:14
up of sand emerges from
2:30:17
where he had been laid
2:30:19
down on the ground following the
2:30:21
Kryptonite energy machine. Now remember, I told you about the Kryptonite
2:30:24
energy machine that
2:30:26
caused all Kryptonite across the world to
2:30:28
turn iron. From that very spot that Superman
2:30:30
hit the ground after the explosion, a
2:30:33
Superman made of dirt and particulates
2:30:36
and sand rose up out of the
2:30:38
ground. This Ashley is a new
2:30:41
character called
2:30:42
It's one thing. Nope. Allen
2:30:44
Moore. Nope. Sand
2:30:45
Superman. Oh, boy. They do
2:30:47
love to take Superman's powers
2:30:50
Superman's love to have
2:30:52
alternate Superman's. Now, actually, have you heard of this
2:30:54
figure? Not never not once. Well, this
2:30:57
is an entity consisting of psychic energy
2:30:59
from the world that we all know,
2:31:01
Quorum, Soil Soil from Earth and power siphoned from
2:31:04
Superman. This follows the
2:31:06
trend of having a Superman analog --
2:31:08
Mhmm. -- which we have lots of
2:31:10
this Superman robots, bizarro, composites, Superman. Yeah. It's an easy way to have somebody with Superman's
2:31:15
proportional strength. But this is also
2:31:18
the story element. That depowers him. Mhmm. This is where his energy drinks. So now he's
2:31:22
not as he's not punch a planet
2:31:24
out of more. Because smart.
2:31:26
Because the the portion of his
2:31:27
powers are now in this creature called Sam
2:31:31
Superman. Now, Sam
2:31:32
Superman will Beech and hurt Superman for about
2:31:34
the next year or so, but we're gonna
2:31:37
talk a little bit more about him. We're
2:31:39
not gonna talk about every story with him,
2:31:41
but but I just wanted to set up that he's out there now until I
2:31:43
tell you that he's gone, okay. Yep.
2:31:46
So Great. And even he wants to sit in
2:31:48
a fan work fan artwork of Sand
2:31:49
Superman's. Please go ahead. Make us
2:31:50
a sand sculpture. I want a
2:31:51
action figure of Sand
2:31:54
Superman's
2:31:54
can tell
2:31:55
you that. Alright. McFarlane, get
2:31:56
on it. Then Superman met
2:31:58
the forever people. Oh,
2:32:01
a Jack Kirby
2:32:02
creation. Now, Ashley, And you're
2:32:05
about half close on inner gain. Let's see if you can get
2:32:07
half close on the forever people.
2:32:10
Who are the forever people? The forever people
2:32:12
was this like twenty twelve CW show
2:32:14
that I think went for two seasons
2:32:17
that had some tie in
2:32:19
digital
2:32:19
comics. It's true, actually. Now, this
2:32:22
is
2:32:22
not the ones you're I
2:32:24
don't know. Really ACW
2:32:27
show? Yes.
2:32:27
And it's
2:32:28
not tied to this. Oh, so
2:32:30
weird. Which is what's crazy. I don't anything about them. forever people. who live forever, from tomorrow. Now have to back
2:32:32
up
2:32:37
a little bit to tell you about the forever you can.
2:32:39
The patriarch of the planet, New
2:32:43
Genesis, Isiah, engaged in a social
2:32:45
experiment wherein he selected five random individuals from different
2:32:47
points in Earth's history
2:32:50
and brought them to NewGenesis. These
2:32:52
five children were named beautiful, Dreamer,
2:32:54
moon rider, Big
2:32:55
Bear, not the mountain, Sarafan and
2:32:58
Beacon. Dreamer, the character
2:32:59
that eventually got put on
2:33:01
Supergirl? I'm not certain. That's fine. And grew up as
2:33:03
close friends and eventually
2:33:05
began to refer themselves as the forever
2:33:07
people. Now this also might be a
2:33:10
good place to explain Jack Kirby's, the new gods, just in case anybody doesn't know.
2:33:15
The new gods are natives of
2:33:17
the Twin Plancets of NewGenesis and
2:33:19
apocalypse. New Genesis is an idyllic planet filled with unswooled forests and
2:33:24
rivers and beauties and ruled
2:33:26
by the benevolent, hi father. Basically, thanks Zeus the big old beard nest half. While apocalypse,
2:33:29
and that's AP0K0LIPS,
2:33:36
so lips is a nightmarish
2:33:38
polluted and ruined world with
2:33:41
machinery, fire pits and
2:33:43
is ruled by dark side. Fink Thanos, but
2:33:46
cooler. Now, the two planets were
2:33:48
once part of the same world.
2:33:50
They were actually a planet called Ergard
2:33:52
or groomed, excuse me, which is German
2:33:54
for preapproval ground, but it was eventually
2:33:56
split apart a millennial ago after the
2:33:58
death of the old gods during Ragnerrock. These
2:34:01
characters are office called The New
2:34:03
Gods, and they were collectively referred
2:34:05
to as Jack Kirby's fourth
2:34:07
world.
2:34:07
They're great. By
2:34:07
the way, beautiful dreamer and dreamer not the same character. I'm an Yes. So Superman's, while
2:34:10
searching out for the
2:34:12
forever people to investigate
2:34:14
their claims of coming from
2:34:16
a Supertown was
2:34:18
motivated by allowing to be
2:34:20
among people that knew what
2:34:22
it was like to be super.
2:34:26
Now, again, you could already hear the Denny
2:34:29
O'Neil sort of deeper characters like this. This is a Superman that's worried about his heart. This
2:34:31
is not a Superman that is worried about his bronze
2:34:36
in his brains and kinda trick Lois Lane into
2:34:39
thinking I'm not fart cat. Yeah. He's
2:34:41
worried about his legacy in his place in
2:34:43
the world. Exactly. He's kinda lonely. Mhmm. So
2:34:45
Superman got more than he bargained for when he learned of
2:34:47
the existence of
2:34:50
Dark Sight and Dark Sight's ambitions
2:34:52
for the anti life equation on
2:34:54
earth. Darcceed. Now Superman and this other character named Superman's
2:34:58
Infinity Man fought side by
2:35:00
side against Dark Side's gravigars
2:35:02
and liberated beautiful dreamer, one of the forever people -- Mhmm. -- from dark side's clutches. Out
2:35:07
of gratitude for Superman's help, their forever
2:35:10
people opened a boom tube showing him new genesis so that Superman could see this town
2:35:12
that they were from
2:35:15
for himself. The man
2:35:18
is still declined to visit
2:35:20
knowing that as long as monsters like
2:35:22
Dark Sight
2:35:23
existed, his first responsibility would be to protect
2:35:25
Earth. Oh, what a sweet boy? It's a very nice
2:35:27
story. Right? Yeah. It is.
2:35:30
Then we get a
2:35:32
Superman's team up. Oh,
2:35:34
boy. Clark Kent, and Jimmy Olsen got
2:35:38
together and they decided to confront
2:35:40
their new boss, Morgan Edge, about suspicious
2:35:42
details of his activities when he was found to have implied ties
2:35:47
to intergang. I remember
2:35:49
them. Mhmm. And in retaliation against their inquiries, Morgan
2:35:51
Edge sent them to investigate a craft from
2:35:56
apocalypse, which had landed in metropolis park,
2:35:58
kind of the central park Yeah. for trap Clark
2:36:04
and Jimmy and send them to apocalypse
2:36:06
to be killed. Now, honestly, I think
2:36:08
there are way easier ways to kill
2:36:10
Jimmy
2:36:11
Olsen.
2:36:11
But particularly Jimmy Olsen. But Morgan
2:36:13
Edge has his plans and only Clark actually fell victim
2:36:15
to the scenario, Jimmy was able to escape because
2:36:20
Jimmy is super cool. Now Edge
2:36:22
sent Bruno Manheim, the gangster. Oh,
2:36:24
yeah. She is in charge of
2:36:27
anything. Thanks, sir. Yeah. To finish
2:36:29
off Jimmy, but the Guardian, who
2:36:31
is a yellow and blue sort of
2:36:33
clone who is also a member
2:36:35
of Jira Curry's fourth world, rescued
2:36:37
Jimmy Olsen. In the apocalyptic kraft,
2:36:40
Clark caught his first glimpse of the
2:36:42
first of the Twin World's New
2:36:44
Genesis and apocalypse. But fortunately, Light
2:36:46
Ray another good new god -- Yep. -- intercept to the craft and sent Clark back
2:36:52
to Metropolis with a boom tube.
2:36:54
But This was not the end of the apocalypse cold war with Dark
2:36:56
Sight. And as you can
2:36:58
see, if you are a
2:37:00
fan of Superman's animated
2:37:02
series -- Mhmm. -- that Bruce Tim got
2:37:05
a lot of inspiration
2:37:06
from this storyline from the
2:37:08
bronze age. Because the bronze
2:37:10
age is the introduction of the
2:37:13
fourth world, and the
2:37:15
bronze age is the
2:37:17
introduction of Superman's antagonist being
2:37:19
Dark Side. Mhmm. Now, The
2:37:22
man whom the daily plan of
2:37:24
staff knew as Morgan Edge was
2:37:26
revealed to actually be a program clone of the real Morgan Edge. And
2:37:31
he was supposed to put the resources
2:37:33
of the Galaxy broadcasting corporate empire at the disposal or, excuse me, and at the whim of Dark
2:37:35
Site Quest for the anti life equation. Now,
2:37:41
after being created and officially implanted with
2:37:43
the copied memories of
2:37:45
the real edge, the clone was
2:37:47
commanded by Dark Sight to execute
2:37:50
the original Morgan Edge, but the clone couldn't go through it to it because he had a conscious.
2:37:56
Now, the Edge Clone instead had
2:37:58
a secret soundproof room built into his pet house suite to contain and to trap
2:38:03
the real Morgan Edge that was actually
2:38:05
hidden behind a large one way
2:38:07
mirror. And the real Morgan Edge escaped from its one way mirror, from
2:38:10
its captivity, and
2:38:13
the qualm began
2:38:16
executing multiple creative schemes intended to
2:38:18
basically capture the real Morgan Edge.
2:38:20
As this clown knew that Dark
2:38:23
Sight would kill him dead if
2:38:26
he found out that the Real Morgan
2:38:28
Edge had escaped. All of these schemes failed because
2:38:30
of Superman's interference. And eventually, the Real Morgan Edge took refuge at a communal
2:38:35
farm until he was safe for
2:38:37
him to return as being the
2:38:39
head in the charge of the GBS. But the
2:38:43
death of the evil Clone Morgan Edge
2:38:45
and his replacement as the owner of the Daily
2:38:47
Planet by the Real Edge marked
2:38:50
a significant hiccup in the unfolding
2:38:52
of Dark Side's plans for Earth as much of
2:38:54
the interest of apocalypse and metropolis were actually being led
2:38:59
by Morgan Edge as Morgan
2:39:01
Edge was real to be
2:39:03
the leader Bruno Manheim. One,
2:39:08
it's very funny. Do you think
2:39:10
that Morgan Edge went to live on a commune? Mhmm. And two, I understand
2:39:12
now why
2:39:15
you brought up Jack Kirby leaving
2:39:17
to go to DC because we're talking about an awful lot about Kirby crazy
2:39:19
fourth world. We are. We are. We
2:39:24
are. I mean, I knew Dark Side
2:39:26
was a huge like, he's in
2:39:29
I would I would count Superman's
2:39:31
Superman's Rogue's
2:39:31
gallery. I didn't realize that they tied
2:39:34
together so quickly. Most, like, right out
2:39:36
the gate. Yes. Most of the seventies,
2:39:38
dark side is kind of the
2:39:40
real villain of Superman. Mhmm. And he I think it's
2:39:42
because he was the new big bad. And
2:39:46
a literal big bad. Like, he looks
2:39:48
badass, fighting Superman. Yes. And also, I
2:39:50
think the interesting and smart things
2:39:52
about this is that he's fighting
2:39:54
Superman on two levels because only
2:39:56
a Superman fighting the Parodemos with
2:39:58
his fist, but Clark Ken is
2:40:00
having to fight all the machinations
2:40:03
of Mordin Edge in real world
2:40:04
metropolis. Yes, exactly. And
2:40:05
even within the confines of his job and his
2:40:08
day to day life, it's
2:40:10
very smart. Now I wanna tell
2:40:11
you a story About
2:40:12
the fourth world?
2:40:13
No. About a hundred thousand year old
2:40:16
Superman. Okay.
2:40:16
Is he living in the sun? Nope.
2:40:19
The time trapper a legion of
2:40:21
superhero equivalent, covertly induces Superman to
2:40:23
use a defective time bubble, a
2:40:25
time traveling device of the Legion
2:40:27
superheroes. To journey to the year,
2:40:29
one hundred and one thousand nine hundred and seventy a
2:40:31
d. And okay.
2:40:34
And places a time barrier behind
2:40:36
him. Which prevents Superman from flying back or
2:40:38
doing any of his time travel tricks
2:40:41
to return to his proper era.
2:40:43
Now Superman ages because of the
2:40:45
defunct time bubble. Mhmm. And
2:40:47
so he becomes a hundred thousand years old. And although He
2:40:51
is still powerful enough to defeat an
2:40:53
enemy menace in that era, and he goes further into the future, where
2:40:55
he sees three superheroes at time that immunizing
2:41:00
him to kryptonite, magic, and red suns.
2:41:02
Now Superman, this is a very interesting journey, and the reason why I'm talking about this is because Superman decides to travel even further
2:41:09
into the future, in which super powers are outlawed due to
2:41:12
a disaster involving
2:41:14
three superheroes of the past, there's three
2:41:16
superheroes that I talked about. Mhmm. And he gets
2:41:18
to learn what happens in a world without Superman to
2:41:22
the other supporting characters. He learns that
2:41:24
Lois Lane Mary is a very famous
2:41:26
actor, He learns that Jimmy writes a book called My Years with
2:41:27
Superman. Mhmm. He
2:41:31
learns that Perry White creates the
2:41:33
Superman Museum
2:41:33
I wanna ask you is the big three of Superman supporting cast.
2:41:36
Do you
2:41:38
do those track with what you know
2:41:40
about those
2:41:40
characters? Would those be fitting
2:41:42
in? I think the Perry White one is kinda the most out there. Mhmm.
2:41:46
Actually,
2:41:46
I think the lowest one's the most out
2:41:48
there. But I think they're all correct. Who's
2:41:51
the act I won. I He's a fake makeup. Yeah. I I mean, of course, he's a he's a fake DC universe
2:41:53
actor. But, you know,
2:41:55
you're just like, oh,
2:41:57
I wonder who that
2:42:00
would be. I could see Lois getting married.
2:42:02
Mhmm. I don't I don't have an issue with
2:42:04
the fact that she gets married. I don't know if
2:42:06
she would marry which is not to say that
2:42:09
A movie star and actor is not
2:42:11
in person of
2:42:12
substance, but I would expect Lois Lane to marry
2:42:14
like a real smarty pants. And maybe he
2:42:16
is. Yeah. No. I
2:42:18
don't think any of those are super out
2:42:20
there. I do like the idea that of Jimmy's
2:42:22
memoir, and I do believe that Jimmy would write
2:42:25
that memoir even after Superman's even
2:42:28
if Superman didn't leave at an untimely
2:42:30
point in their
2:42:30
history. I agree. Now, during the store storyline
2:42:34
keeps going further and further into the
2:42:36
future. He rescues some astronauts in the year eight hundred
2:42:38
one thousand AD. He goes to the year one million.
2:42:42
And terraforms and repopulates a barren earth,
2:42:45
he survives the attack of a drone weapon powered
2:42:47
by the dead intellect of Lex Luther and
2:42:50
then he is helplessly thrown through the
2:42:52
time barrier even further into the future by a comet. And
2:42:54
Superman eventually thinks I'm just gonna keep going until the universe verse
2:43:00
ends because I can't go back in
2:43:02
the past. However, when he reaches the end of time and he notices all the universe to black,
2:43:08
Superman himself can't stay conscious
2:43:10
and he blacks out. When
2:43:13
he wakes up, he
2:43:16
loosely sees his birth, his childhood,
2:43:19
his boyhood, his adulthood, until
2:43:21
he returned to the point
2:43:23
which and he first took
2:43:25
the time trip. After which, the time lines diverge,
2:43:27
he's dumped back into regular time
2:43:30
and he's free to live out his
2:43:32
normal life again. And he figures out
2:43:34
the reason this must happen is because time curves on itself and he
2:43:38
figures that he has received a second chance
2:43:40
and he's never gonna give that up again.
2:43:42
Dan, they must've been reading a lot of Barry Allen flash comments when he came up with this. It's very sweet
2:43:44
and yet
2:43:45
sad story. Yeah. It
2:43:47
almost sounds
2:43:48
like an elf worlds in
2:43:50
a lot of ways.
2:43:51
See that. But enough of that
2:43:53
time travel nonsense, it's time to
2:43:55
check-in with Crypto, the super dog, Ashley. Hell
2:43:58
yeah. Who's that? And why do we like
2:44:00
him?
2:44:02
Khrypto is a yellow lab who
2:44:04
apparently lived on Krypton and got He's on
2:44:06
a yellow lab. He is. He's a white dog.
2:44:10
I mean, he'd if you were a real dog, he'd
2:44:12
be a yellow He's a yellow lab. What's the
2:44:14
real crypt though? The one that they used in the Titans? Do you know? A yellow lab. Is he
2:44:15
really? Yeah. I
2:44:18
think he's a mod actually because he's smaller than a
2:44:20
lab, but Kryptonite always looks like a lab that
2:44:22
they just haven't colored it. Listeners, this goes to show my knowledge of dogs. I didn't realize that, like, a white skin dog
2:44:27
or white fur dog could still be a
2:44:29
yellow lap? Oh, yeah. Especially female labs tend to later. Yeah. So crypto actually probably a girl. I learned something. There
2:44:32
you go. Crypto
2:44:37
is a crypto is a kryptonian dog
2:44:39
of indeterminate species
2:44:41
who was sent to Earth
2:44:43
to be a companion to
2:44:46
bitty superman And he wears a cape and he's a super
2:44:47
dog. He's the goodest boy. Yes. He is the goodest boy. He's the
2:44:49
superest boy. Yeah. Now after
2:44:51
the nineteen seventy one revamp
2:44:54
of Superman by editor Julius
2:44:55
Schwartz, remember for? Mhmm. Crypto basically
2:44:58
made no appearances for several years. No.
2:45:00
Sweet, baby, he's the only crypto and streaky
2:45:02
are the only super pets that I think.
2:45:06
We should have. It was explained
2:45:08
away in Superman continuity that crypto was
2:45:10
missing and that Superman couldn't find him. Hence, the reason
2:45:12
for
2:45:14
none of his appearances.
2:45:15
You got, like, lost in a well
2:45:17
or something? Intel, action comic number 441, the storyline called
2:45:19
The Mystery of the
2:45:22
Wandering Dog -- Four four. -- one, I'm gonna
2:45:24
share this cover whatever it is. Now, at the time, actually,
2:45:26
you just have to know that action comics had
2:45:29
two story lines. And I believe this is the backup
2:45:31
storyline. So we cover I don't think Well, then first Well,
2:45:33
then I will find a I'll find a panel for you guys to share. Now
2:45:35
in this storyline, green
2:45:38
arrow in black and airy
2:45:40
-- Mhmm. -- try to unveil
2:45:42
the mystery of the illusion projector created by professor
2:45:45
steel graves. Both are aged by
2:45:48
a ray in steel graves hideout,
2:45:50
but they are saved when crypto the super
2:45:52
dog breaks in
2:45:54
and destroys the machine, which
2:45:56
allows green arrow to capture
2:45:58
the villain. Sure. When Still Grey's calls Crypto, that blasted super dog
2:46:03
Green arrow and black canary
2:46:05
realize that the dog is actually crypto who
2:46:07
they knew was missing. But
2:46:11
this crypto is amnesiac, so he doesn't
2:46:13
remember that he's a super dog. And he actually runs off, and all Green Arrow
2:46:15
can do is call it
2:46:19
a car cat and tell him that, hey, I saw
2:46:21
your dog. He's on the loose. Where is he? I
2:46:23
know. is cell don't where right fat, fat, cats.
2:46:29
Eventually, Crypto's memory was restored in nineteen seventy five. Superman
2:46:31
number two eighty Superman's. Oh,
2:46:34
thank goodness. Fast in a two thousand
2:46:36
six interview, why he liberated crypto
2:46:38
from the limbo kennel.writer Elliot
2:46:42
s Meghan said, and
2:46:44
I quote, a man needs a
2:46:47
dog, a superman needs
2:46:49
a
2:46:50
super dog. Because he's the
2:46:52
goodest boy. I think it's so cool. Elias
2:46:54
says Meganyan, one of the great superman writers of all time. That's very sweet. I like that a lot.
2:46:56
No. Ashley,
2:46:59
we're gonna talk about something that
2:47:01
I think many comic book fans don't know about. Very important
2:47:03
event in Superman's Life. Kashmir
2:47:07
has at the center of
2:47:09
the events in the phenomenon
2:47:11
known miracle thirsty Thursday
2:47:14
Whoa. Ashley. Yeah. What do
2:47:16
you
2:47:17
think
2:47:17
Thursday Thursday Thursday is? I I wanted it to be
2:47:19
the Justice League for forming
2:47:23
in a magic mic style show
2:47:26
at a local bar, wherein you get you are thirsty, but you can
2:47:28
also
2:47:31
acquire a cheap drink, but I just
2:47:33
know that's not it. It is not. Especially in the bran thing. But let's
2:47:35
find out. And listeners, I picked I
2:47:39
picked the story because I'd forgotten about the
2:47:41
story. And then when I heard the title,
2:47:43
different your children. Okay.
2:47:48
Alright. Thursday Thursday
2:47:50
is a subject of devoted
2:47:54
steady by chronicles of the future
2:47:56
centuries and millennia ahead of us as
2:47:58
one of the truly scientific inexplicable occurrences in the history of mankind. On
2:48:04
Wednesday, August twentieth. It was
2:48:06
the date of an infamous
2:48:09
tenement place, and all of
2:48:11
the people of Metropolis spontaneously
2:48:13
developed a pathological disgust of
2:48:16
water. And they fell asleep
2:48:18
for a twenty four hour
2:48:20
period, then awakened on the following day
2:48:22
with an incredible thirst upon
2:48:23
them. Hence, the nomenclature of
2:48:28
thirsty Thursday. Okay. Now dozens
2:48:30
of time travelers from these
2:48:33
distant future time periods
2:48:35
came to Metropolis to
2:48:38
watch this epic thirsty event. To see it and to divine the
2:48:40
true nature of
2:48:43
what exactly had
2:48:46
happened. Yet, when they
2:48:48
came, Two, these
2:48:49
heiress --
2:48:51
Mhmm. -- they left
2:48:54
not knowing the answer. Mhmm.
2:48:57
And this
2:48:57
is why. The truth of the
2:48:59
so called miracle of Thursday Thursday was
2:49:02
the spell of citywide hydrophobia was caused by Star Lab scientist
2:49:04
doctor Larry
2:49:06
Ishmael who dropped the bile
2:49:08
containing his serum being developed
2:49:10
clandestinely by Star Labs for exactly that purpose. When he dropped it, trace
2:49:16
particles of the volatile
2:49:18
vapor spread out and affected everyone in metropolis. Now,
2:49:23
Doctor Ishmael consumed what he mistakenly
2:49:25
took to be an antidote, but was in
2:49:27
fact a psychoactive drug that temporary turned ishmail
2:49:31
into his Superman's wild
2:49:33
man and sent him on a
2:49:35
wild man rampage across metropolis.
2:49:38
Do you think
2:49:38
they'll adapt this in the CW Superman and
2:49:40
Lois episode? I hope
2:49:41
this is Man is still too, and we're not
2:49:43
even done yet. Alright.
2:49:45
Overhearing Star Lab's director doctor Wilson
2:49:47
Far discussing that only twenty four
2:49:49
hours of constant rest or
2:49:51
perpetual physical simulation could negate the perpetual,
2:49:53
the single stimulation. Oh, boy. Thursday,
2:49:56
Thursday, everybody.
2:49:57
Yeah. I really. Yeah. I
2:49:59
was talking Because of that, those are
2:50:01
the only things that could infect
2:50:04
could negate the effects of the
2:50:06
hydrophobia serum, Superman, placed and detonated tens of
2:50:09
sleeping gas canisters throughout the
2:50:11
municipal sewer system, putting all
2:50:13
residents of metropolis at the same
2:50:16
time, including the
2:50:18
covert time travelers who came
2:50:20
back to Washington in a day
2:50:22
long sleep spell. My dream, only ishmael.
2:50:26
Was immune to the gas due
2:50:28
to his crazy wild man psychology,
2:50:30
and therefore fought Superman for twenty four hours straight before
2:50:34
his condition could return to normal. Okay.
2:50:37
That's kinda cool. When all was said and
2:50:39
done, Superman allowed only two other individuals to become privy
2:50:42
to the knowledge of what had truly happened on
2:50:44
Thursday, Thursday. Who can
2:50:45
I guess? Well, no, it's
2:50:46
it's the two scientists. It's Larry Ishmael and we're well, so far. Damn.
2:50:50
Are you I mean, I was gonna be, like, oh, no,
2:50:52
Jimmy and Lois. I was I honestly, I was gonna
2:50:54
make
2:50:54
a joke, but No. Jimmy and Lois were two Thursday on the Thursday.
2:50:57
They were
2:50:57
they were engaging in perpetual physical simulations. We
2:50:59
can only help. Now none of the three men
2:51:01
revealed the secret to another soul for as long as
2:51:04
they lived, which created the legend throughout
2:51:06
time as the mystery of Thursday
2:51:07
Thursday. I just didn't live that long because then
2:51:09
folks could
2:51:09
still be alive and I've never heard of it. And like I said,
2:51:11
I think we all know
2:51:14
we're all thinking. I think that's the season
2:51:16
finale of season one episode, Manolos. Hell yeah.
2:51:18
You know, and also with the Star Labs, I'm just saying Mark Guggenheim were very employable.
2:51:22
It could it could time to
2:51:25
flash super easy. It could. So
2:51:27
there you go. Now, we're gonna talk a little bit more about WGBS. Oh,
2:51:32
that's like w g Fields.
2:51:34
WGBS. I'm reporting the traffic over my trouble s. On the Swan Bridge, it's pretty packed, but Superman
2:51:36
is flying
2:51:42
over a car from the Seagull
2:51:44
pier and the Schuster
2:51:46
Airport, and it's gonna
2:51:48
be cleared
2:51:49
up pretty soon. Hey, Graham.
2:51:51
Three of WGBs' TV
2:51:57
Newscasters, accepted
2:51:58
employment at their rivals, the UBC, the United Broadcasting
2:52:01
Company. Oh, it
2:52:02
was like the University of British
2:52:04
Columbia. And that's led Morgan Edge
2:52:06
to promote Clark to only he's the but now the associate producer
2:52:09
of all GBS's news
2:52:11
programming. With the objective
2:52:13
of fishing for new
2:52:15
journalistic talent in the verbal
2:52:18
ocean and ascertaining the fidelity of all
2:52:20
WGBs' on air personalities to the company. So now --
2:52:22
This is -- -- Clarkin as a producer.
2:52:26
It's getting further and further away. It's an
2:52:28
associate producer. You know, it's not been an EP. Yep. It's been
2:52:30
a ten o'clock. And this is we're gonna talk about
2:52:31
a little bit of this because this this
2:52:35
new promotion factors into what I think
2:52:37
is one of the greatest Superman stories of all time. It happened in Superman
2:52:39
issues number two ninety six to two ninety nine Storyline
2:52:45
called who took the super out
2:52:47
of Superman's. Now
2:52:50
Superman in the
2:52:52
storyline met his greatest challenge. It
2:52:54
was not an external force but
2:52:57
a identity crisis as the last
2:52:59
son of Krypton was forced to
2:53:02
figure out who is the real self, Clark Kent or Superman? The eternal
2:53:07
question. Yes. Now Clark lost
2:53:09
his powers. And was knocked unconscious upon and was
2:53:11
knocked unconscious upon
2:53:14
collision with a speeding car
2:53:16
in the men metropolis
2:53:18
street. When he awoke in the hospital, Clark switched to his hidden Superman costume
2:53:22
to leave the building while having to
2:53:25
answer any questions about his you know, not having injuries or
2:53:27
whatever. Clark returned to his apartment, and on the way home, he
2:53:31
got attacked by a killer robot that was sent
2:53:33
after him by
2:53:34
intergang. Now
2:53:34
deducing that he still possessed his powers as
2:53:37
Superman with Superman's suddenly lose
2:53:40
them as Clark for some
2:53:42
reason, and hypothesizing that the phenomenon might do. Be due to
2:53:46
a cognitive innocence, excuse me, dissonance
2:53:48
from juggling the demands of a
2:53:50
double life Clark decided to spend one full week in his
2:53:55
civilian identity without his powers.
2:53:58
Now, know that's a little confusing here. I want to basically say, after this accident, if he's Clark
2:54:03
Kent, he doesn't have powers. Mhmm. If he's
2:54:05
Superman, he has powers. K? So Clark was like, I'm
2:54:07
gonna live a life as unpowered Clark Kent.
2:54:10
So he spent
2:54:14
the entire week as
2:54:16
Clark Kent. Mhmm. So without
2:54:18
the need to act as the
2:54:20
timid persona of Clark Kent that defects suspicions
2:54:22
as a Superman Identity because Superman not
2:54:26
be seen for the next seven
2:54:28
days. Yep. Clark found himself acting
2:54:31
more assertive and confident in all of his relationships in an improved many
2:54:35
of his relationships with his GBS
2:54:37
coworkers including Morgan Edge and Steve Lombard. And it actually
2:54:39
ended up turning on
2:54:43
lowest lane. She likes
2:54:45
a confident man. Yep. For
2:54:47
his part, Clark fully embraced Lois' advances. He's finally. And
2:54:53
for the first time he embraces Jimmy.
2:54:55
In Superman history, it
2:54:58
is openly hinted that Clark
2:55:00
Kent and Lois Lane spent
2:55:02
several passionate nights together. We
2:55:06
ship it. Inside Clark
2:55:09
Kent's apartment, Do you know the street address of Clark Kent's first apartment?
2:55:11
It's very it's kind of very famous.
2:55:13
You may not. You may not
2:55:15
One eight hundred good guy lanes. I don't I don't
2:55:17
know. No. It is 344
2:55:20
Clinton Street. I I didn't
2:55:22
know that. Oh, well, everyone
2:55:25
out there, if classically, this is the address of Clark
2:55:27
Kent's apartment. So if you're ever in a trivia game, they ask you, what
2:55:29
is the apartment of Clark Kent's address?
2:55:31
Or Clark what's the address of
2:55:33
Clark Kent's apartment? I guarantee you this
2:55:35
is the
2:55:36
answer. 344 Clinton Street. One
2:55:38
eight hundred good guy laid. What's doctor
2:55:40
shortages? Something Bleaker Street? Seventeen hundred? Who knows? It's
2:55:42
it's one twenty 2BI think. Bleaker Street.
2:55:46
Well, 221B
2:55:47
is Sherlock's. I think it's one twenty two b.
2:55:49
Whatever. This is not the doctor's name. This is not the doctor's name. Who
2:55:52
cares? So Even
2:55:54
without his powers, Clark, with
2:55:56
the power of his
2:55:57
producing, resolve Every producers like nodding their heads in their eyes
2:56:00
right now. I
2:56:03
know the one thing to stop the
2:56:05
gang, powers of the video editor. I mean, let's not knock video editors. Yes. Hi, Adam. I was a video editor.
2:56:08
That's true.
2:56:13
Yes. So Clark learned the location
2:56:15
of the syndicate's rolling office
2:56:17
from an underworldstoolie, and he
2:56:19
incapacitated a leadership with an
2:56:21
anti gravity device Borrowed from Professor Parrot Pepperwinkle, which is a super
2:56:23
main character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
2:56:27
So Clark Kent was effective at helping
2:56:30
to take out inner game. Now once the seven days of being Clark Kenneth passed, to
2:56:33
only being Superman
2:56:36
for
2:56:37
the next seven
2:56:39
days. So At
2:56:42
the time, Superman cleared intergang hoods off
2:56:44
the street -- Mhmm. -- with the greater efficiency
2:56:46
because he was working twenty four hours a day.
2:56:49
Because but because Clark Kent
2:56:51
was nowhere to be found, the
2:56:54
DA's case against Intergang's leader, Max
2:56:56
Denver, was missing its
2:56:58
star witness. Lois began to
2:57:00
speculate that intergang
2:57:02
had kidnapped Clark Kent. And Superman fought
2:57:05
Superman's upstart super villain named
2:57:07
Solar Man. But the pressure of serving
2:57:09
as a twenty four hour seven Superior proved
2:57:11
to be too exhausting to endure and it turned out even
2:57:15
a superman has the same psychological needs
2:57:18
as any other man and his secret identity was needed to anchor the ordinary life
2:57:20
that provided him with stability.
2:57:22
And at the end of
2:57:25
the week, Durban concluded that
2:57:27
both parts of him were Clark Kent
2:57:29
and Superman, and they represented
2:57:31
equally valid and valuable parts. And
2:57:33
no one was more the true self
2:57:35
than the other. That's
2:57:38
very interesting that both of them
2:57:40
are valid because I definitely think
2:57:42
that I have an opinion about
2:57:45
which is the real
2:57:45
man. And I know you do too. Well, we'll get
2:57:47
to it in just a second. I wanna talk about this in just a
2:57:50
second. But I wanna talk about this little fun storyline because Superman had hardly any time to con
2:57:52
to played
2:57:55
the significance of these events
2:57:57
because he caught an image of
2:57:59
nine of his deadliest enemies. Lex
2:58:02
Luther, brainiac, mister mental split, like,
2:58:04
Tara Man, the Toy Man, the Parasite, Amelok, the
2:58:06
prankster, and the Kryptonite Man formerly known as the Kryptonite King.
2:58:11
When they convened
2:58:13
together inside his
2:58:15
apartment. What? Now, as Suzanne discovered, The
2:58:20
reason for why he seemed to lose
2:58:22
his powers when he was Clark Kent
2:58:25
was not
2:58:26
psychological, but rather all of the
2:58:28
suits in his apartment his carte
2:58:30
suit had been chemically contaminated.
2:58:34
And Superman soon pieced
2:58:36
together with the
2:58:38
culprit was his mysterious next door
2:58:39
neighbor, mister Xavier, who was in
2:58:42
actuality an alien agent
2:58:44
of destruction sent to
2:58:47
demolish
2:58:47
the earth. In a thirty year time period by a
2:58:50
cutthroat in a galactic transportation company, someone had read
2:58:52
the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. I'm gonna say I
2:58:54
was gonna say, is he bald and in a wheelchair?
2:58:57
Were still by luring Superman, Sumit,
2:59:00
luring Superman to his apartment by conjuring
2:59:02
the assembly. It was only an image.
2:59:05
Of the building. Xavier had exposed
2:59:07
Superman to potent energies that would cause
2:59:09
his body to erupt in an explosion and destroy
2:59:12
the world once
2:59:14
he had defeated the last of the
2:59:16
villains. Now Xavier teamed the villains and spared them off to
2:59:18
a faraway location to give himself enough time to leave earth
2:59:23
prior to his own dead
2:59:25
nation. But luckily for the
2:59:27
human race, Superman, because of Superman, realized what Xavier he what Xavier had
2:59:33
done. And before it was too late, he managed away
2:59:35
to down the nine
2:59:38
villans and to catch Xavier without
2:59:40
annihilating the planet. And thus ends
2:59:42
the story Who took the super out of Superman? Now, actually, let's talk
2:59:43
about this question here. Yeah.
2:59:46
Who is the real
2:59:48
identity? Is there
2:59:49
a real identity? Is the
2:59:52
question mute? Clark or Superman,
2:59:54
is this not
2:59:55
even a
2:59:55
question? Let's talk about this whole. Let's
2:59:57
talk about this whole rigmarole right here. Ultimately,
3:00:00
with all with all
3:00:02
characters of dual person I, and that's
3:00:04
not just superheroes. Superiors are just the easiest representation
3:00:06
of that. Right? That can be detectives, that can be, like,
3:00:10
any any character can have
3:00:12
multiple personality facets. Right? But
3:00:15
for superheroes in particular, the answer is both. Right?
3:00:18
Because we are complex human beings, and they
3:00:21
are reflections of us. Therefore, they are also complex human beings. But with Superman,
3:00:23
I always came down more on the argument of its Clark
3:00:27
Kent. Like, he is the Farm Boy
3:00:30
from Kansas. Mhmm. Absolutely. Whereas with Batman, I understand the debate a little bit more, but with Superman, I'm like,
3:00:32
no. He's Superman's
3:00:37
Clark. The Clark is who this man is. So I don't know
3:00:39
if you have any different feelings.
3:00:42
It's so funny because I kinda believe the
3:00:44
opposite. I believe that Superman is actually who
3:00:46
he really is. Mhmm. And Clark is sort of a persona
3:00:51
that he puts on.
3:00:53
Because he's not goofy and he's not timid and he's not
3:00:55
silly. Superman is who
3:00:58
he is. Superman is the Clark that
3:01:00
came from small He is timid though because,
3:01:02
like, look at how he treats, like, Lois?
3:01:06
Yes and no. But I
3:01:08
They are both Clark Kent. That
3:01:10
is one hundred percent true.
3:01:13
But I do feel that Clark
3:01:15
Kent is the exaggerated him. Okay.
3:01:17
I I was fine. Because if you notice for me, it's like
3:01:19
every time no.
3:01:22
I'll tell you this. I think he likes
3:01:24
being Clark Kent more. Than Superman. I really
3:01:26
do. I think he likes being Clark anymore.
3:01:28
Because the things that Clark enjoys --
3:01:31
Mhmm. -- are the normal human things. He
3:01:33
likes going to the baseball game with Lois. He likes
3:01:35
going to the diner. He likes going to see
3:01:37
him. Taking John to the fair. Yeah. He likes
3:01:39
to write. He likes to do things like that. Whereas,
3:01:41
like, he's happy to help people. But I I think when he's Superman every
3:01:43
once in Superman's, you're
3:01:46
gonna catch a thing where, like, when it's the
3:01:48
seventh emergency of the day, he's a little bit,
3:01:50
like, Like, I definitely think he's more burden by being
3:01:53
super mad. I agree. Like, I
3:01:55
don't think Diana is burdened by
3:01:57
being wonder woman. I just think Diana is probably the most melded. Mhmm.
3:02:00
And I
3:02:02
I think Batman is just I think
3:02:04
he's Batman. Yeah. Batman is Batman that. Yeah.
3:02:06
Yeah. Alright. So let's travel Ashley into the far off world
3:02:11
of The nineteen eighties? Two
3:02:13
thousand and one. Jason, you just explain these ages to
3:02:15
us at the beginning. That's not in this lesson
3:02:20
I'm gonna get on Twitter. Superman,
3:02:22
number three hundred, was a line, a little imaginary if Superman existed
3:02:25
in the far off
3:02:27
world of two thousand
3:02:29
and one thirty years
3:02:31
in the future? Yes.
3:02:34
It's like when people said stuff in like
3:02:36
But also twenty twenty five. For us twenty years in the past? Yes. I
3:02:38
meant from like Oh, okay. Actually, have you ever imagined what
3:02:43
our lives could be like in the
3:02:46
world of two thousand one. That far off age. Yeah. Not really because I was a
3:02:48
child. And
3:02:51
I wasn't thinking too much about it, but I
3:02:53
lift it. Yeah. Yes. For everybody listening, I just wanna say that this comic was published in nineteen seventy six. So go with it.
3:02:56
Yeah. So It
3:03:00
actually opens with the phrase. It's
3:03:02
a bird. It's a straddle jet. It's superman. I mean, I wish. Let's let's wipe out Superman's.
3:03:08
Boeing's seven thirty seven's. I've got some straddle jets
3:03:10
going. So the storyline is basically what
3:03:13
if Superman landed in nineteen seventy six instead
3:03:15
of the thirties, and here's all the changes.
3:03:17
Oh, that's cool. So his baby rocket falls into the ocean. It's
3:03:19
a fight between the USA and the USSR. The
3:03:21
USA grabs it. They
3:03:24
raise the super baby
3:03:26
in the US military facility.
3:03:28
But they still make him a Superman they
3:03:31
convince him to fight for America and
3:03:33
they name him Skyboy, hence the s
3:03:35
on his chest. God lord. Yes. When his
3:03:37
existence is announced to the world, he
3:03:39
becomes a ward of the United Nations and
3:03:41
it basically creates a war where he has
3:03:44
to toss all
3:03:46
the nukes into space, a la, the last
3:03:48
Superman movie of Chris Reeb, Superman four, the quest for peace. Is that
3:03:50
the moment he gets drunk and fights people in a bar? That's Superman three.
3:03:55
Okay. Now cut to the far off
3:03:57
year of two thousand and one --
3:03:59
-- it's called try vision. And
3:04:04
Clark Kent is a try vision reporter.
3:04:06
It's called television. Yes. He's named Clark
3:04:08
Kent in this version because he's named
3:04:11
for the military people that help one
3:04:13
of the guys is like lieutenant Kent. Is does
3:04:15
he watch his line? Which was
3:04:18
very big at that time? Not in
3:04:20
this universe. Bummer. TrueCarrie doesn't survive
3:04:22
the apocalypse of wars. That's
3:04:27
a jokingly Now eventually an alien appears
3:04:30
and he regresses himself as Superman for
3:04:33
reasons and and he helps
3:04:36
the world. Great. I mean, look,
3:04:38
it's not honestly, it's
3:04:40
no worse in origin than
3:04:43
any other comic. Well, I hope
3:04:45
you all enjoyed the fun diversion to the far
3:04:47
off world of two
3:04:50
thousand and one. What a far
3:04:53
off place? I hope our world becomes like that one day. I love it
3:04:55
when we can't explain things, so we just go
3:04:59
breathe it. The comics. Stay literally. Stay lit
3:05:01
lit the scene is basically like, he's like, I am Skyboy no
3:05:03
more. Call me Superman Superman's
3:05:06
you're like, where? Why? It is a
3:05:08
better game. You never That name has never
3:05:10
come up in the story. Why? Had you
3:05:13
read that issue before doing this
3:05:15
lesson? No. No. Okay. Interesting. No. III
3:05:17
found it on I found it in my research and I was like,
3:05:20
oh, this
3:05:22
is gonna be a fun one. Great. So
3:05:24
anyways, So soon, back to
3:05:26
the non imaginary world
3:05:29
of two thousand and
3:05:32
one. Back to the revolving present of
3:05:35
Yeah. Superman soon discovered that
3:05:37
all of Krypton oh,
3:05:39
excuse me. All of Earth's
3:05:41
Kryptonite. All of Krypton's Earth night. I don't know why
3:05:43
his question. All of
3:05:46
his damn it. I still do it.
3:05:48
All the Kryptonite. I think I deserve
3:05:50
one of these now. What would
3:05:53
Krypton's Earth and
3:05:56
Night look
3:05:59
like? What color would it be? Let's be a cloud of dirt. Let's
3:06:03
be brown. Okay. So if it's so
3:06:05
if overnight is green, Right? The most common criteria is green across the
3:06:07
color wheel. So if we're going
3:06:11
by color theory, the complementary or the
3:06:13
opposition or color. Blue. Is red. Mhmm. So it should be a
3:06:15
a ruby, I guess, or
3:06:19
like a red jousting. You'd
3:06:21
call it Earthnight. Or Eartha Night. Or Terronite
3:06:23
maybe? Terronite. Krypt on the
3:06:26
Terronite. Alright. Anyways, let's move on.
3:06:28
Thankfully Superman found out that
3:06:30
all the world's kryptonite had not been turned inert. No. I hit egg plot reasons. Yeah.
3:06:32
Got it. Basically. Broadridge.
3:06:35
And back at the
3:06:37
galaxy building, Morgan Edge
3:06:40
Clark canceled boss revealed the
3:06:42
identity of So back
3:06:44
at the galaxy's edge. I'm
3:06:46
not gonna dignify that whether the
3:06:48
boss. I thought you're
3:06:50
gonna give me another set drumbone.
3:06:52
No. No. No. And back at the galaxy building,
3:06:54
Morgan Edge unveiled the identity of Clark Kent's
3:06:58
new co anchor, Lana
3:07:00
Lang. Hell yeah. Ashley, who
3:07:03
is Lana Lang? Lana Lang is Superman's
3:07:07
childhood best friend slash first girlfriend
3:07:09
in my head Canon. He is. He is his
3:07:12
first girlfriend. His
3:07:14
first many things, and she just
3:07:16
briefly become a reporter during this. I remember this from the
3:07:18
Loliang episode. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. She's a babe.
3:07:23
Love Lana. I love Lana as well.
3:07:25
And to end the bronze age of
3:07:27
Superman, we need to talk about the last bronze age adventure with that,
3:07:31
man. In world's finest number three twenty
3:07:33
three, which has a covered date of January nineteen eighty six. But
3:07:35
if you know covered dates are always months
3:07:39
ahead. So technically, it takes place in nineteen
3:07:41
eighty five. I know I know, but it
3:07:44
story by with.
3:07:47
World's finest is a trip man. Superman
3:07:50
is attacked in space by a villain called Night Wolf. Sure. That looks like he belongs on an episode of
3:07:52
Yellowstone. I'm
3:07:57
not joking. Maybe Ashley should share a
3:07:59
picture of Night Wolf somewhere or anything.
3:08:01
Peacock, you wanna sponsor us anytime. Night
3:08:04
Wolf threatens to kill Super man and
3:08:06
Night Wolf's mentor arrives out of nowhere and
3:08:09
he's like a a native American
3:08:11
shaman. Sure. And this shaman beats
3:08:13
Night Wolf off up only to reveal that it's secretly
3:08:16
Batman in
3:08:18
disguise. When Superman wakes up from
3:08:21
all this, Batman chides Superman saying
3:08:23
that I won't always be there to save you. And you need to leave the night to
3:08:28
experts. Oh, forgot it. And he leaves.
3:08:30
And their bond of friendship ends as the two of them officially head into
3:08:36
crisis on infinite earths. That's
3:08:38
kind of a bummer. I'd I was gonna say that's terrible, but I
3:08:42
don't wanna disrespect the people who worked
3:08:44
on that issue. But when we get
3:08:46
to Batman or, excuse me. Superman, the dark age. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the early
3:08:52
dark age story lines, especially the ninety
3:08:54
story lines, they It took a long time to get around. It took till the year two thousand Mhmm.
3:09:00
-- for Batman and Superman to be best
3:09:02
friends again. Yeah. That's true. Because they don't have Batman's and Rams areas. Because it was the Batman's, which is great. great. It's
3:09:07
great. Talk about a lot on the Subaru. But a lot
3:09:09
of it a lot of the nineties that you will learn
3:09:11
is a, like, Is Batman being able to predict Batman? Is Batman like, I'm not friends with you? Yeah. Together. Yeah. That's
3:09:13
a bummer, though. It is
3:09:15
a bummer. But that's not
3:09:17
how I'm gonna end the
3:09:20
bronze age. Because
3:09:22
I can't end the bronze age
3:09:24
without telling you about the story
3:09:26
of when Superman met the champ Mohammed Ali. I was wondering if we
3:09:31
were gonna get to this and
3:09:33
you talked about the man that
3:09:35
he fought all night. This is a is here. The
3:09:39
champ is here. An all time iconic cover.
3:09:41
Yeah. You want to invest in comics? This is a good one to invest in. It is a good one to get.
3:09:43
No. I'm not gonna I
3:09:49
am gonna tell you everything in
3:09:51
the storyline, but not every single
3:09:53
thing. I am gonna paraphrase some
3:09:55
things. But enough we're gonna talk about this for a
3:09:58
bit because, actually, I don't think you've ever read it. I have not. No. Okay.
3:10:02
So by the late nineteen seventies, Superman had been
3:10:04
paired in the comic pages with real life American
3:10:06
icons like Jonathan Kennedy, Steve Allen, Bob Hope, Jerry
3:10:09
Lewis, Allen Fund, Don Rickel's and Pat
3:10:12
Boone. Actually, please explain whoever one of
3:10:14
those are. No. No. No. Please don't. American icons. Yeah. Oh, well done. Thank
3:10:16
you. Well done. Now, I was
3:10:18
like, I own I know
3:10:20
most of those Veeam. Superman meets
3:10:22
mom and a Lee. So for
3:10:24
numerous delays. It was originally gonna be published
3:10:27
in fall of nineteen seventy seven, but it
3:10:29
didn't get published till spring of nineteen seventy eight. Mhmm. And by the time
3:10:31
the book sounds like I published Mohammad
3:10:35
Ali was no longer the heavyweight
3:10:37
world champion. Well, he's still an icon. Yep.
3:10:39
But here's the fun fact. He
3:10:42
had been defrowed he'd been dethroned by
3:10:44
Leon Spinks, excuse me, in February of nineteen seventy
3:10:46
eight. And in that year of nineteen seventy eight in September,
3:10:50
Ali, Muhammad Ali, Cassius Clay --
3:10:52
Mhmm. -- would reclaim the title. So I
3:10:54
lost you again. And then reclaim the game. Here's the story. It is bonkers,
3:10:56
yet kind
3:11:00
of fun. I also believe there
3:11:02
have been several statues slash action
3:11:04
action figure combos of this cover.
3:11:06
There is Here we go. Action
3:11:08
figure spotlight. I need I
3:11:10
need the theme song for action figure spotlight. Here we Action figure spotlight. There
3:11:17
is some amazing. I believe they're
3:11:19
made by Nika, action
3:11:21
figures of Superman and Muhammad
3:11:24
Ali, like the cover, and they are she they
3:11:26
are cell shaded bike. I know exactly what
3:11:30
you mean. Yeah. They are fantastic. We'll
3:11:32
share some of that on our Twitter over a
3:11:34
GHO podcast. But let's talk about the book.
3:11:37
Yes. An alien visitor named Ratlar. Is
3:11:39
the maniacal leader of a
3:11:41
species of aliens called the scrub. Under the claim that Earthlings are dishonorable
3:11:44
they're aggressive, and
3:11:49
they pose a potential threat to his people to
3:11:51
scrub, he demands that
3:11:54
earth's greatest champion, fight the
3:11:56
greatest scrub fighter, the behemoth
3:11:58
known as now it's spelled
3:12:01
HUN apostrophe y,
3:12:03
which I'm going to call
3:12:05
honey. Yeah. So Superman and Muhammad Ali
3:12:08
both come
3:12:10
forward to volunteer for this
3:12:12
battle. However, Ali argues that
3:12:15
Superman is not really of Earth and actually has an unfair advantage in many of his superpowers. And
3:12:19
then typical
3:12:22
Ali style verbiage.
3:12:24
Superman. Come for the
3:12:26
trip. I can't do as many of the
3:12:28
rhymes as Muhammad Ali, and I would it would
3:12:30
be a shame for me to even try. But
3:12:33
that if you don't know what I'm doing with
3:12:35
the the the bonus Then you should do some
3:12:37
googling because Muhammad Ali is an incredible figure. I will try to find a video of It is a very famous
3:12:39
Muhammad Ali was very well known for
3:12:43
his trash talk of his fighters, and he was
3:12:45
quite poetic in a lot of it. And he would usually do a bit of it, like, by by slamming down on tables or slamming down.
3:12:47
I mean, yeah, it's basically like Podry.
3:12:53
Yep. Pete Podry. So in
3:12:55
this book, he basically takes
3:12:58
a Mandatum peg and says
3:13:00
that he should be the
3:13:02
champion earth, intrigued by Muhammad Ali's poetic trash
3:13:05
talk. Ralar decides
3:13:08
that, you know
3:13:10
what, Superman and Ali should
3:13:12
fight one another to determine who should
3:13:14
be Earth's champion. And to make the
3:13:16
fight fair, he decrees the match to take
3:13:19
place on his home planet Bodachi, which
3:13:21
orbits a red star. Now why
3:13:23
is that important to Superman? Superman guess
3:13:25
is ours from our yellow sun slash star
3:13:28
a red son, which
3:13:30
I believe is what Krypton had, doesn't give
3:13:32
him the same amount of power. So he's basically as powerful
3:13:34
as a human. Correct. So this would make the winner simply the best
3:13:36
boxer. The
3:13:39
two would be champions decide that Ollie
3:13:41
will train Superman in the finer points of boxing because
3:13:43
obviously Superman doesn't know boxing. To
3:13:46
make it as fair as well. Yes, which becomes a
3:13:48
plot point much later when Superman doesn't know martial arts team.
3:13:50
Exactly. And also it makes it very fair and also goes to prove why mommy
3:13:53
only was it true champion -- Mhmm. -- because he
3:13:55
decided, you know what? I'm gonna make this even more
3:13:57
fair for Superman because who doesn't know boxing. Yeah. I mean, if he's the greatest he'll defeat him no matter how much training
3:14:00
it. Exactly. Absolutely.
3:14:03
And that's what Muhammad Ali wants a
3:14:05
fair fight. Yep. Now, eventually, the Superman versus Muhammad Ali match his broadcast and intercolgate could television to thousands of
3:14:07
other worlds with Jimmy
3:14:13
Olsen's Superman's Powell acting as the broadcaster, which I
3:14:15
love. Oh, Jimmy. And
3:14:18
the match is underway and it
3:14:20
soon becomes apparent that Ali is
3:14:22
gonna kick Superman's ass. Well, like
3:14:24
a butterfly and things like a
3:14:27
bee. Superman takes a serious pummeling
3:14:29
And Ali is Crown Earth champion, is set
3:14:31
to face the big fighter
3:14:34
honey. Now look, I've never
3:14:36
heard this it out loud. No. No. No. I've I've
3:14:38
never it's just funny. It's just funny.
3:14:40
It might be honeya. There's an a in it,
3:14:43
but I'm just gonna call them money. It's fun.
3:14:45
Once the match begins, however, Ali quickly starts to suffer
3:14:47
from fighting the super powered honey.
3:14:51
Meanwhile, during this fight, Superman
3:14:54
has recouped he has a recovery and he actually steals a scrub command ship and
3:14:57
sabotages their space armada
3:14:59
because he learns that
3:15:01
the scrub are just
3:15:03
gonna invade Earth anyway. How
3:15:05
like an alias? Miraculously, Ali gets a
3:15:07
second wind and in Now if you don't
3:15:09
know anything about Muhammad Lee, you should know this.
3:15:12
Muhammad Ali would
3:15:14
sometimes predict what round he would take
3:15:16
down his opponents. Now when fighting honeya or honey,
3:15:19
as I like to call him, Ali
3:15:22
in the book said, I'm a take
3:15:24
him down on the fourth round. And
3:15:26
in the fourth round, Muhammad Ali gets a
3:15:28
punch knocks honey out of
3:15:30
the ring and knocks him
3:15:32
out winning the fight. But after witnessing
3:15:34
Superman's Designations of their the
3:15:39
scrub leader Christ bowed, and this is excuse me.
3:15:41
This is I got a little bit of help myself.
3:15:43
This is when he decrees that I'm gonna blow up or Just
3:15:46
as Ratlier's about to give the
3:15:48
go ahead to his backup forces,
3:15:50
his own champion Honey becomes enraged at Ratlier's trechety
3:15:53
and deposes their leader stopping the
3:15:56
annihilation attack because he was like,
3:15:58
why would we attack someone who was
3:16:00
honorable planned as honorable because
3:16:02
of Muhammad Ali and Superman. Superman is
3:16:04
rescued. Honey, the new scrub leader makes
3:16:06
peace with Ollie's Superman and Earth And
3:16:08
the very end of the book shows
3:16:11
Ollie and Superman in a private moment,
3:16:13
and Ollie reveals that he has figured out Superman's
3:16:15
secret identity as Clark Kent. And
3:16:17
vows to keep its secret.
3:16:20
And the book ends with
3:16:22
the two Champions Embracing and Ollie proclaiming Superman We.
3:16:27
Are the greatest. And that's my
3:16:29
friend. Kind of awesome. It's a great book. Yeah. It's a little goofy. Better than
3:16:31
I expected it. But it's a great you
3:16:36
know anything about Muhammad Lee, it's actually like a
3:16:39
sweet and well done book. Nice. Very nice.
3:16:41
And Muhammad Lee is a champion. Go Google
3:16:43
him. He is a a historical figure that
3:16:45
is well worth doing some research on -- Absolutely. --
3:16:47
and my friend, we end
3:16:50
the bronze age with Superman being
3:16:53
declared the champion. Because that's a better ending than him going
3:16:55
boohoo hoo with Batman. And at the end of
3:17:00
Superman, the Bronze Age. Good job.
3:17:02
And now we move into recommended reading. Where if you go to geek lesson dot
3:17:04
com slash recommended reading, we have
3:17:06
these cool little Amazon, which is
3:17:09
they go all the way back
3:17:11
to the very first zero
3:17:13
episode. And we recommend stuff that you
3:17:15
can read if you wanna learn
3:17:17
more about Superman in the bronze
3:17:20
age specifically. Still a little bit of money
3:17:22
from Jeff Bezos' pockets put in an hour
3:17:24
so we can keep having celebrity boxing matches at the
3:17:26
Mind University. Yes. That is correct. The very first one that is
3:17:28
going on
3:17:30
there is the book
3:17:32
I just talked about
3:17:35
versus Muhammad Ali The Deluxe Edition,
3:17:37
they made a hardcover version of
3:17:39
this book about three or four
3:17:41
years ago. It's beautiful. It's amazing.
3:17:43
The quote unquote single issues, which has rarely been of print.
3:17:47
There's always a collection or a treasury
3:17:49
addition of it that you can find.
3:17:51
Yes. COVID-nineteen. Yes. And secret of the cover, many of the DC employees and famous
3:17:54
celebrities that existed in
3:17:56
the time are on
3:17:58
the crowd on the cover. If
3:18:00
you've never read it, I highly recommend it.
3:18:03
I mean, there's no there's no bigger Superman
3:18:05
bronze age book than Superman versus Momma
3:18:07
Lee. Yep. Very. My second choice is Superman in the seventies. It of print book, but
3:18:09
you can find it used. Yes.
3:18:11
And it's a lot of stories
3:18:13
of the seventies since the seventies
3:18:15
took place and most
3:18:17
of the dark excuse
3:18:19
me. Excuse me. Bruntage. I
3:18:21
believe I could not confirm.
3:18:24
I believe that the story line that
3:18:26
we talked about that we really loved, who took the
3:18:28
super Mhmm. I see. Obviously, rent is in that
3:18:30
trade, and it's like the only place it's ever been
3:18:32
Of course it is. My last choice is
3:18:34
action comics eighty years of Superman, the deluxe edition. Now
3:18:36
this has many different periods of Superman, but I have this hard
3:18:39
cover. It's great and it has some really
3:18:42
good bronze age issues. I know that you used it a
3:18:44
lot as a jumping off point for your research for this episode. I used it for
3:18:46
research in this thing. I don't think I talked about any of the specific issues, and that's okay.
3:18:51
But I I read it as
3:18:53
some research. So let's go into the discussion. Yes. What are we going
3:18:55
to discuss? We're gonna talk about something, Arthur, you're gonna explain
3:19:01
what the discussion is. Moe, it's where we discuss more things. I know.
3:19:03
I do. So that's very simple. You
3:19:07
know? Anyways, Ashley. Yeah. For you -- Mhmm. --
3:19:09
just fan out with the bronze. How familiar let's get
3:19:11
this wrapped up way real
3:19:13
quick. How familiar with Superman in the bronze age
3:19:16
were you before this lesson? Almost not at
3:19:18
all. Okay. You've I was aware
3:19:20
of some of the broader I
3:19:22
knew we became a TV news anchor.
3:19:24
I knew he did fourth world stuff, and
3:19:26
I I know about the Muhammad Ali
3:19:29
issue. Yes. Okay. So you've now heard
3:19:31
Superman's gold age, superman the silver
3:19:33
age, and superman the bronze age. Mhmm. What we can
3:19:35
say is the main differences between Superman's the
3:19:40
character in the silver age and
3:19:42
superman the character in bronze bronze age
3:19:47
because I would say I know we're
3:19:49
going by this dark age and modern age thing. It's only you know, and I will I will caveat here's
3:19:52
my caveat. I
3:19:56
will only caveat this here because I went with dark
3:19:58
I don't like the term dark age.
3:20:01
I don't either. I went with it because I
3:20:03
do one hundred percent think that. Totally, I think
3:20:05
it's accurate. Calling the modern age from nineteen eighty five to now
3:20:07
is ridiculous. Is too long, but
3:20:10
I feel like the sensibility that we
3:20:12
have in comics right now starts with
3:20:14
I would to be honest with you. The sun in predators. I would almost call it the age. Yeah.
3:20:17
Or maybe the NDH,
3:20:19
but but I went
3:20:21
with dark age because
3:20:24
many different comic journalism sites. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
3:20:26
Forms. Maybe if there can be such a thing a comic
3:20:28
historian. We're just not all they all agree in the dark
3:20:30
age. We're not far enough away from it to have it
3:20:33
name yet. But what is what
3:20:35
is interesting to me about the
3:20:38
bronze age in particular is that you see all of these
3:20:40
characters they're
3:20:42
maturing. Yep. And I don't mean that
3:20:44
they are literally getting older, but because
3:20:47
Superman has been, like, thirty five forever. I don't know how old superheroes. I
3:20:52
for me, he's consistently thirty five. I think that's what
3:20:54
you said in your timeline. Right? I actually think I I in my timeline, I made it forty eight because John Kent
3:20:56
ruins Well,
3:20:59
John does, if John is ten I asked the
3:21:01
idea that that Superman is is is it always in it, like, his mid thirties, mid to
3:21:03
late forties, Excuse me. Yeah.
3:21:06
He's more between He's a little younger
3:21:08
than Batman. Because I like that I like that Superman's been around for a while
3:21:10
because I like the idea that younger heroes look up to him. Mhmm. But
3:21:16
the thing about is they is they
3:21:18
mature, and this is where you see even though commerce authority is still around,
3:21:23
You do see boundaries in
3:21:25
the types of stories that
3:21:27
can be superhero stories starting to get pushed here. And
3:21:31
that's what I think is very
3:21:34
interesting about the bronze age is I would have said before maybe the last couple years
3:21:36
that that
3:21:40
that the dark ages where we really see like a
3:21:43
rejection of the gold and silver
3:21:45
age, but I think it starts with
3:21:47
these comics in the seventies leading into
3:21:49
the eighties because But with Superman in particular, I think it's we
3:21:51
are shaking off
3:21:56
the traditional trappings of suit
3:21:58
man and we're trying on different things. We put him against this cosmic
3:22:02
these cosmic gods in space. We we
3:22:04
moved him up to television. We made
3:22:06
him producer, we let him and Lois have a relationship. Like, we are seeing Superman do
3:22:09
things that maybe
3:22:12
weren't traditionally thought
3:22:15
of as Yes. What stands out for
3:22:17
you? He's more man than Superman.
3:22:20
Mhmm. It's the first time that
3:22:22
it's the for human. It's the first period of superman comics that focuses on Clark
3:22:27
Kent and the Man and the
3:22:30
emotion inside then just the guy who can punch planets and is trying to be there is a
3:22:32
term called Super Dick. Yeah.
3:22:34
Yeah. Yeah. Where and
3:22:36
and is that refers to
3:22:38
Superman's constantly trucking Lois Lane, I think
3:22:41
this is this is the period that marks
3:22:43
the transition -- The death of Superman's
3:22:45
-- -- to the Superman that we know.
3:22:47
The silver eight Superman, the silly goofy Superman dies in this Yes. Superman's.
3:22:53
This Superman feels almost modern.
3:22:55
Almost like the Superman that we would see now. And that's interesting. And it is interesting
3:22:57
through the lens of history. Right?
3:22:59
Like Jason, we're obviously not alive
3:23:01
for this, so we have nothing
3:23:03
but hindsight where this is
3:23:05
concerned. But it's interesting to, like, look at
3:23:08
it through the lens of modern day and
3:23:10
be like, this is where it starts. Yep. Cool. Sweet. Alright. Let's go to the teaching
3:23:12
tweet. Oh,
3:23:14
you did a teaching tweet? III
3:23:16
have accepted I have accepted it and I'm just moving on.
3:23:18
Oh, professor Jason's favorite part of the podcast. Where in two hundred forty
3:23:23
characters or less he is going to actually
3:23:25
a hundred and eighty or whatever because we go by the original rules.
3:23:27
He's gonna stop. This is why I don't like
3:23:31
this section. Everything you just learned
3:23:33
about Bronte's humor in which you can find this posted on our
3:23:35
Twitter at GHL podcast. Braun's
3:23:40
Age Superman, a Man of
3:23:42
Action and Emotion, a hero that finally proved that Clark
3:23:44
Kent is
3:23:47
just as much as
3:23:49
much a hero as
3:23:51
Superman. Is that? Nice. Because
3:23:54
that's what this period means to me. And
3:23:56
now we're going to the honor roll. Yes. What's the
3:23:58
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Oh, boy. I don't know. I don't
3:25:33
I don't I don't I don't
3:25:36
get the interrupting thing. I'm not
3:25:38
either. I don't understand that, Diane.
3:25:40
This is just the way we just we just talk.
3:25:42
This is the way we talk like this. So
3:25:44
thank you, but I don't need to be protected
3:25:46
from Jason. What? I don't. Wait. It's
3:25:48
not like I didn't rap you. Thank
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you both for those five. Thank you so much. A little bit real
3:25:56
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3:25:58
if you're gonna rib us, we're gonna rib back. Hey. It's just playful. It's all good. Yeah. Whatever. Thank you so much for
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3:28:08
Alright. Now, or to
3:28:10
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3:28:12
section of the podcast, where? We
3:28:14
see you stuck through the plugs. Ashley? Yeah.
3:28:18
Do you like the
3:28:21
idea of Clark Kent
3:28:23
as a television anchor? I
3:28:26
don't dislike it. I don't think
3:28:29
Clark Kent is the kind of person who would really want to
3:28:31
be on camera though. I agree. I
3:28:36
actually Hold on. I
3:28:38
gotta interrupt you. Sorry. Proceed
3:28:41
proceed. That's embarrassing. I don't
3:28:43
know or not. But I
3:28:45
know. I actually really
3:28:48
like the modern conceit that
3:28:50
he is a blogger or
3:28:52
that he he works at a more digital
3:28:54
sphere. Yeah. They did it in the fifty two. Yeah. I understand wanna keep him working the daily planet.
3:29:00
I think that that's an interesting evolution. But I
3:29:02
appreciate that we did have him as an anchor
3:29:04
and as a producer and that we let him
3:29:06
do something different. And I think it was very
3:29:09
innovative the time. That would have been the height
3:29:11
of broadcast news. Who would
3:29:13
have been the hot news anchors in
3:29:15
the seventies or eighties? I think kronkite would
3:29:17
have still been around with Honey. Let me
3:29:19
see what else You don't have to
3:29:21
Google it. You don't want to. I only
3:29:23
know Canadian real quick. I'm actually very keen
3:29:26
curious about who in terms of Americans who that would be, biggest
3:29:28
TV brought news people.
3:29:31
What would you say
3:29:33
news anchors? News anchors.
3:29:36
News anchors. Of the nineteenth. So
3:29:38
I mean, it's exciting for the
3:29:40
business. Of the bronze age. Oh, the bronze
3:29:42
age. Google's like, what the hell does that mean?
3:29:46
I I it's hard -- It's fine. This
3:29:48
is fine. -- answer here. This is not You were not alive in the
3:29:50
seventies, so it's not fair for me to ask to
3:29:54
be fair. I mean, Walter
3:29:57
Concrete is on there. Great.
3:29:59
What's the hedon? Hedon. Hedon.
3:30:01
Hedon. Peter Jennings is on there.
3:30:03
Oh, sure. Henry Reesner is on there.
3:30:05
I don't know if Henry Reesner is a
3:30:07
great name. Ted Koppel. Yep.
3:30:09
Is on there Hugh Downs, who
3:30:11
is a very big -- No.
3:30:13
-- now that I remember that.
3:30:16
Leslie Stahl, I don't know. Cool.
3:30:18
Much people. Wow. I learned something. Yeah.
3:30:20
There you go. I think it's kronka. I agree. Him being
3:30:22
a broadcaster is a bad eye idea for a guy with
3:30:26
a secret identity. Yeah. I kinda like the
3:30:29
idea of him being a news producer. That makes sense
3:30:31
because it's something that he would be able to do But
3:30:34
if we'd allow him to work
3:30:37
in television, you know, I I kinda felt I
3:30:39
kinda felt like Lois would be the more
3:30:43
appropriate one to be the online
3:30:45
broadcaster. I'd also like to mention this, and Jason didn't ask me to do this. But
3:30:47
in Oh, you
3:30:53
know, in in your in your book Super Best Friend, you
3:30:55
also sort of taken an exploration of
3:30:57
what type character's relationship to the
3:30:59
media. That is correct. That's what that whole
3:31:02
book is. That -- Yeah. -- that the
3:31:05
whole crux of that story is
3:31:07
the public perception of
3:31:09
superheroes and the public perception
3:31:11
of superhero fandom It's
3:31:14
a big it's and I think a lot
3:31:16
of people won't realize that when you get because the
3:31:18
intention is to get six issues. Mhmm. And I think when I get to the end and
3:31:22
you're in the far future. You've already read
3:31:24
it in. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, when
3:31:26
I'm recording this, I'm I haven't written the shoe since shit.
3:31:28
But I think people
3:31:30
will see that it is sort of like,
3:31:32
yeah, it is my take on modern superhero fandom
3:31:34
and the the good and the bad parts of that.
3:31:37
So there you go. There's a little super
3:31:39
best friend at an Easter egg. Well, my
3:31:41
my superman character in that, captain terrific, is a he is
3:31:43
a book editor. He's
3:31:45
a book publisher. Yes. Yes. So he
3:31:47
works in publishing, but he's more and
3:31:50
he doesn't wanna write. He wants to edit. That's his idea. He's
3:31:52
not the
3:31:54
writer. He's not the creative. He is
3:31:56
the He's the adjuster off. He's the adjuster. Yeah.
3:31:58
Yeah. That's what he wants. He's the finisher of stories. Mhmm.
3:32:02
So there you go. Yeah. I just that
3:32:04
thought just occurred to me as we were talking
3:32:07
about. Well, thanks for the plug. You're welcome. Yes. Alright, Ashley. Why don't you close at the podcast for us? Okay.
3:32:12
You already said the social
3:32:14
media handles. So I say, I'm Ashley Victoria Robinson. Thank you for
3:32:16
listening. Thank
3:32:20
you for listening. There you go. You gotta thank
3:32:22
the listeners. You say, I'm Jason in men, and
3:32:25
then I say, well, you don't have to do
3:32:27
that, sir, Jason. But you please the sis, like,
3:32:29
oh, I didn't I didn't intend for you to
3:32:31
take all of it here. Fine. I'm gonna You could just And
3:32:35
then and then you say, I'm
3:32:37
Jason, insert whatever bronze age joke he made at the beginning end, and and glass has now dismissed
3:32:40
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co slash o h for terms. New customers,
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download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use code
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swing to get two hundred dollars in
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bonus bets instantly when you place a
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five dollar bet on anything. That's code swing, only
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at DraftKings sports blog, gambling
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problem called one-eight hundred gambler, twenty one
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and over and physically present in Ohio.
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Ballad one off per first time depositors who have not already redeemed two hundred dollars in free bets via
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prelaunch offer. Minimum five deposit wager. Two hundred
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dollars issued as bonus bets, eligibility restrictions
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apply. See DKNG dot
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co slash o h per terms.
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