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Superman's History Through the Golden to the Bronze Age of Comics 1938-1985 MEGA EPISODE

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Hello, and welcome to geek history lesson.

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I am Jason Alba Superman's ages

0:42

in men. I am Ashley Victoria Robinson.

0:45

Welcome to your Mind University because you have

0:47

stumbled onto the podcast where we take one character,

0:49

contractor, or super person from pop culture.

0:51

And teach you everything you need to know about it

0:53

in about an hour except this week doing

0:55

something completely

0:56

different.

0:56

This one, this is what we might call

0:58

our first mega episode.

1:01

Done. Done. Yeah. So Transfer.

1:04

Very soon, possibly next

1:06

week. You're gonna hear, you know, a

1:08

new episode called Superman the Dark Age

1:10

was gonna cover Superman from nineteen eighty five

1:12

to the year two thousand. Now this is part of a

1:14

series that we've done. And

1:16

we thought instead of asking new listeners

1:19

to go back into our feed, to dig through our feed

1:21

and listen to our three

1:23

previous Superman's we

1:27

would put them all together for your

1:29

convenience into one

1:31

giant massive episode. So this

1:33

episode because at the time of this

1:35

recording, I have no idea what I'm gonna call this. I'm just

1:37

throwing that out there right

1:38

now. Future Jason is gonna figure out

1:40

the title of this. I I I'm very excited

1:42

to see what

1:43

future facing comes up with. This is smart

1:44

guy. But sometimes, do

1:47

you think he's gotten smarter over the years of this podcast?

1:49

think so.

1:51

He's gotten more super. I know that. Oh, sure.

1:53

So in this episode

1:57

is episode 108 Superman's

1:59

the Golden Age. Mhmm. Episode

2:01

207, Superman the

2:03

Silver Age. Mhmm. In episode

2:06

three fifty Superman the

2:08

Bronze Age. Now I also did not

2:10

do good, and I didn't look it up the years of

2:12

this. But episode 108 is in

2:14

our year of the

2:15

Mhmm. So you're gonna get to hear

2:17

past It's gonna be a really

2:19

interesting documentary.

2:20

Evolution of editing -- Yeah. -- and some

2:23

quality in our microphones. Yeah.

2:25

We explain basically Superman's

2:27

entire history from nineteen thirty

2:29

eight to nineteen

2:31

seventy all in one episode, and it'll be a

2:33

perfect primer for an upcoming episode,

2:36

Superman the Dark Age nineteen eighty five to two thousand

2:38

again. These characters are so big, Superman's, such

2:40

a large character that we had to break up

2:42

his history because he's a character that deserves

2:44

nothing

2:44

us. There you

2:44

go.

2:45

So it's gonna this is gonna be fun. This

2:47

also easily with this sort of recasting, it's gonna be

2:49

this is gonna be like a three hour

2:50

episode. So we have longest episode.

2:52

Enjoy it while you make it cross country trip.

2:54

Yeah. Yeah. Enjoy and enjoy past

2:56

Ashley, enjoy the the past references

2:59

to, like, the twenty seventeen. You

3:01

know, something like that. Yeah. Enjoy that.

3:03

Any other things you think we should say about Superman the

3:05

Golden Age, Superman the Silver

3:07

Age, and Superman the Bronze Age.

3:08

They're great episodes. I

3:10

think so. And

3:10

they're always we kept doing. And they're consistently

3:13

so you will beloved them when you listen to

3:15

them. Alright. So take yourself up up

3:17

and away, enjoy past a

3:20

enjoy past Jason and

3:22

tolerate a GHL. As

3:24

a couple of these episodes existed

3:27

before the employment of intern

3:29

cat breakup. That's true.

3:31

So I I think Golden Age and Silver Age existed

3:33

before intern cap. Mhmm.

3:35

I don't know how we made the podcast without him

3:37

back then. And I think you will be able to hear the

3:39

difference.

3:40

Definitely for sure.

3:41

Yep. So go up up and away. And

3:43

fly into our

3:45

histories from the past. Enjoy.

3:54

Hello, and welcome to Geek History lesson.

3:56

I'm Jason. Krypton is

3:58

blown up in men. I am Ashley Victoria

4:00

Robinson, and welcome to your Mind University because

4:03

you have stumbled onto the podcast where we

4:05

take one character our last son of

4:07

Krypton from popular culture and teach you everything that

4:09

you need to know about them in about an

4:10

hour. And today, we are finally finally

4:13

tackling the Man of Steel himself.

4:15

That's right. This little known hero known

4:17

as Superman's, many people I don't think read

4:19

his comics anymore. Mhmm. But

4:22

We're finally tackling him. He's been requested

4:24

for a long time. We've got a hundred and eight

4:26

episodes about talking about the Man of Steel.

4:28

Superman one of my favorite superheroes of

4:30

all time because I'm from his home state.

4:32

And we're kinda talking about him because we're in

4:34

the middle of Batman v Superman's

4:36

hysteria. Yeah. We sure are. Which mainly

4:38

exists in Ohio. I've heard. Oh, yeah.

4:41

Midwest. They love this. You know, I

4:43

actually know a state of Kansas. Actually, my home

4:45

state is going about Batman and Superman.

4:47

Hey, go beyond this. They

4:48

are. They love wheat, and they love their

4:50

Superman, and they love you. So

4:53

before we start this podcast about Superman,

4:56

You may be wondering why are we calling this

4:58

Superman the Golden Age? I

5:00

don't know

5:00

if you're wondering this at all. Why

5:02

are you calling the Golden Age. Well,

5:04

I'm glad you finally asked, Ashley. And

5:06

that is because Superman is

5:08

such a character with a huge history,

5:10

seventy five five years, over seventy five

5:12

years now. Wow, of history. And we

5:14

don't want to summarize or

5:17

leave out any part of it. So

5:19

we're really only covering the golden

5:21

age of and we're gonna explain what the

5:23

golden age means in just a second, but

5:25

to really give you a

5:27

timeline we are covering the

5:29

adventures of Superman in his history

5:31

from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen

5:34

fifty six. Alright. So that's about eighteen

5:36

years. That's right. Now There will be

5:38

more History lessons in the future.

5:40

We

5:40

will dance relief. All of his history up

5:43

to current day, but to

5:45

actually let you understand and

5:47

learn this is the way we have to do

5:48

it. We wanna

5:49

we wanna marinate in the Superman history.

5:51

Exactly. So let me tell you what I

5:53

meant by the golden age. Please do.

5:55

Now, the golden age is a

5:57

marker of time in comic book history if you don't

5:59

know. There's the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age,

6:01

the modern age. Haven't quite decided what

6:03

the age is we're in now. The post

6:05

modern age? I've heard, like, it's maybe the post modern age. Some

6:07

people call it the digital age, and maybe the digital

6:09

age starts in the Nu fifty two. I

6:12

don't know. Doesn't matter.

6:12

I think it gets decided down the line. But anyways, we're talking

6:14

about the golden age. Cool. Because we're not in anymore,

6:17

and we talk about it. Now The

6:20

beginning of the Golden Age is cited to

6:22

be the nineteen thirty eight debut of

6:24

Superman in action

6:25

comics, number one. Oh,

6:26

well, that's convenient. Yes. Now of

6:29

course, actual comics number one was published

6:31

by detective comics. They've,

6:33

of course, the predecessor of DC comics.

6:35

That's kinda where DC comes from. Get it. Golly

6:38

g. Yep. And the Golden Age ended with the

6:40

beginning of the silver age of comics, which

6:42

is generally recognized as

6:44

the beginning of the debut of

6:46

the first successful new superhero since

6:48

the Golden Age, which is actually the flash

6:50

when he showed up in showcase number four

6:52

in October of nineteen fifty six. That

6:55

berry Allen, though. Yep. Now

6:57

because that happened in the mid nineteen fifties,

7:00

the silver age anyways -- Mhmm. -- because

7:02

Superhero comics declined after World War

7:04

two. And the

7:06

end of the Golden Age of comics, the editors of

7:08

DC decided to revive some of their Golden

7:10

Age superheroes with completely new

7:12

origins and backstories. Hence why the

7:14

flash went from being j, Garret, to Barry Allen.

7:16

Yes. And just to let you know,

7:18

there were actually two versions of Superman's

7:20

the DCU during the nineteen fifties. Were

7:22

there really -- Yes. -- awesome. Yeah. Because it

7:24

was retroactively declared that the version

7:26

of Superman that was published between nineteen

7:29

thirty eight and the early nineteen fifties

7:31

lived on Earth two --

7:33

Oh. -- while comics featuring Superman

7:36

published since the mid fifties, took

7:38

place on Earth one. However,

7:42

since Superman is one of several

7:44

DC characters that has been continuously

7:47

published, Now, let that sink

7:49

in. There has never

7:51

been a period of time since

7:54

nineteen thirty eight when

7:56

there wasn't a Superman title being

7:57

published. That

7:58

is very, very impressive. It's I

8:01

there's very few heroes that well, there is no other

8:03

hero that has that legacy. Of nineteen

8:05

thirty eight. I mean, Batman's got it with nineteen thirty nine. Yes.

8:07

But there you go. So

8:10

since they never stopped publishing Superman during

8:12

the fifties, even though superheroes declined, there

8:15

isn't a clear dividing line between

8:17

Earth one and Earth two Superman.

8:19

So several stories published in the mid

8:21

fifties, nineteen fifties, took place on Earth

8:23

one, whereas in other

8:24

words, Brexit actually took place on Earth

8:26

two, and nobody really quite knows. And

8:29

Dude, that's my but it doesn't matter. We

8:31

again, we are going to focus on the Avengers: Superman

8:33

from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen

8:35

fifty

8:35

six. Cool. So now,

8:38

We can

8:38

hop into the first section of our podcast,

8:41

The Tencent Origin. And the Tencent

8:43

Origin is where we tell you all the cliff

8:45

notes, all the basic info, all

8:47

of the who and the what's in the lives of this character

8:49

in case you go to a really cool cocktail party for

8:51

Batman and B Superman's

8:52

like, yo, what's up with this super Yes.

8:54

In the Golden Age. In the go specifically in

8:56

the Golden Age. Now his real name is

8:58

cow l, that's dash with an l, no

9:01

e. The e was dropped retroactively when

9:03

it was decided that this was an Earth two

9:05

character. Mhmm. His other name is Clark

9:07

Kent. His Earth name, he was created

9:09

by Jerry Siegal and Joe

9:11

Shuster. His relatives are

9:13

Jorel, his birth father, Lorel,

9:15

his birth mother, John Kent,

9:17

Mary Kent, Lois

9:19

Lane Kent who eventually became his

9:21

wife. Lucille

9:23

Lane Tomkins, sister-in-law. George

9:25

Tomkins was a brother-in-law. Power Girl

9:27

was his cousin, Zoriel was

9:29

his uncle, and a Laura in

9:32

z was his aunt. And his

9:34

affiliations are the Justice Society of America, and

9:36

the all star squadron. And

9:38

his base of operations is Metropolis

9:40

and the secret

9:41

sanctuary, I will tell you more about the secret sanctuary later. Oh,

9:43

I'm excited. his first appearance, of course,

9:45

was in probably the most famous comic

9:47

book of all time, action comics

9:49

number

9:49

one, June of nineteen thirty eight, also the

9:52

most valuable comic book of all time.

9:53

Easily. Yeah.

9:54

So let's go to the meet cute

9:57

section. The meet cute section of the podcast

9:59

is a term that we saw from romantic comedy writing where

10:01

we tell you the first time we met this character

10:03

and how cute it

10:03

was. Now since this is

10:06

the golden age, Superman,

10:08

Ashley, I have a specific instance where

10:12

I met the golden age Superman. I

10:14

wanna I wanna change this instead of asking you where

10:16

you first met Superman. I wanna

10:18

ask you Have you ever read

10:20

action comics number one?

10:23

No. Never. No.

10:24

Have you ever read any of the golden

10:26

age They've early Superman

10:28

stories? No.

10:29

None

10:29

of them. No. Never. Okay.

10:31

This is a you have nothing. Okay. I've I

10:33

read Superman number seventy six, which

10:35

is the first time that he meets

10:37

Batman. There you

10:38

go. So that

10:40

that would be that would be the only one.

10:42

Well, I have read action comics number one

10:45

actually got to read it in late

10:47

junior high, one of my last years of junior

10:49

high because my friend, his

10:51

name was Dennis. He wasn't he's

10:53

not a cool dude. Okay. By the time I thought he's a

10:55

cool dude. And he had these giant

10:57

archive editions of action

10:59

comics number one and Batman

11:01

number one. And they were huge. They

11:03

were like, like, two feet by,

11:05

like, a foot. It was in feet. Wow. But

11:07

they

11:07

were, like, really trying to torn up. But, I mean, at the

11:09

time, I thought they were the legit deal. I thought

11:11

they were the real deal. And I'm

11:12

sure he led you believe that they were the real dick. Well, I'm certain you

11:15

showed up. That's why Dennis is not a good dude.

11:17

But that's how I read action comics

11:19

and Batman number one for the very first

11:20

time. That's

11:21

really cool. Okay.

11:22

So let's hop into history 101.

11:25

Yes. The main meat of a lesson where

11:27

we dive deep into

11:29

the Kryptonian realms and the crystals

11:32

of goldenate Superman. Alright.

11:34

So first, we're gonna talk about the

11:36

real world history of Superman before we

11:38

go to the fictional history. In

11:40

nineteen thirty three, Jerry Siegal

11:42

wrote a short story called Rain of the

11:44

Superman. Now in

11:46

that story, a vagrant gets

11:48

psychic power and uses them to pro for

11:50

profit only to lose them

11:52

again and become a vagrant again because he

11:54

and at the same

11:55

time, he's very ashamed that how he

11:57

misused his powers.

11:58

Well, morality tales are

12:00

important. Later in nineteen thirty

12:02

three, he developed another hero

12:04

called Superman's. Or another

12:06

character, this one is actually a hero. And

12:08

it had some of the elements that we

12:11

know, the names Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and

12:13

so on. But he was

12:15

merely a strong man and

12:17

had no Superman's and no

12:19

costume. Okay. Now a strong man course

12:21

is the guy in the tight tights with the big mustache,

12:23

the superhero, the the circus strong

12:25

man's one.

12:25

Yeah. Yeah. Who sometimes lifts trap sword weights.

12:26

Yep. So Siegel had

12:29

Joe Shuster draw that story

12:31

up into a comic, and they submitted it to

12:33

several companies, but they kept getting turned

12:35

down. Aw. Segal first

12:37

thought, it was because the companies

12:39

didn't think that Schuster was a good enough

12:41

artist. So What am

12:43

thickening of things? A little bit.

12:45

So Siegel wanted to fire him. And

12:48

when Schuster found out about this, he

12:50

responded by burning the

12:52

strong man comic book and only sparing

12:54

the cover. Wow. That's a

12:56

totally rock and roll way to react. I love it.

12:58

So Siegel made another Superman comic

13:00

with another artist named Russell

13:02

Keaton. And in this comic, Superman

13:04

further evolved, except this

13:06

is kinda neat. I didn't know this.

13:08

I've never heard this before. In this story,

13:11

earth is in the far future. And

13:13

it's about to explode. And the last

13:16

surviving man since his child

13:18

back in time to nineteen thirty

13:20

five where he's adopted by Sam and

13:22

Molly Kent. This

13:24

child has great strength and bulletproof

13:26

skin, and they teach him to use his

13:28

powers for good. He can't fly or

13:30

anything like that, but he's a time travel baby.

13:32

However, this comic was also -- Double

13:33

Bayhill. -- this comic was also

13:36

rejected by several companies as well.

13:38

Mhmm. It's so there's

13:40

many elements, though, that you can see from the

13:42

classic Stormwind

13:43

origins. Very interesting. Now Segal

13:45

eventually reunited with Schuster, And

13:47

at the time they both got jobs with national

13:50

allied publications -- Mhmm. -- which

13:52

at the time had expressed interest

13:54

in Superman's. They began to develop the

13:56

concept more and the familiar

13:58

costume showed up, the alien

14:00

nature, Superman became part of the story, and then

14:02

they submitted Superman to a company

14:04

called detective comics. The detective

14:06

comics loved it, and

14:08

Siegel and Schuster sold all the rights to

14:10

Superman to detective comics for at the

14:12

time a hundred and

14:14

thirty

14:14

dollars. Now, adjusted for

14:17

inflation, that is two thousand and

14:19

two hundred dollars today. That's

14:21

still for a character that became

14:23

as iconic as Superman did. I

14:25

mean, that's

14:26

nothing. That's that's

14:29

insane. It's very low, I

14:31

think. Yeah. Which

14:33

because I honestly think you could make the argument

14:35

for Superman being the most famous character of all time.

14:37

You could. Definitely good. His symbol actually is in the

14:39

top five symbols of

14:41

recognized worldwide. Yeah. Along

14:43

with

14:43

the Coca Cola from. And the crucifix.

14:46

Yeah. Yeah. Alright.

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16:31

And thus, they were off to the

16:32

races, and now we can jump into the fictional

16:34

history of Superman. Let's

16:36

do it. Now Superman was born cowell

16:38

of the planet Krypton. His

16:40

father was an esteemed scientist, Jor Elle, and

16:42

his mother was a librarian named

16:44

Laura. I like that.

16:45

Yep.

16:46

While Kalel was still a toddler, his

16:48

father discovered that the planet Krypton

16:50

or as Marlon Brando says

16:51

it, Krypton. Well The

16:53

planet Krypton. The planet

16:56

Krypton. It's an acting choice. Heated

16:57

on the brink of absolute destruction.

16:59

Whoo. Realizing that there was not enough time

17:01

to save everyone on the planet. He'd deposited

17:03

his son inside a specifically designed rocketship

17:06

and launched him into outer space

17:08

to earth directly because he

17:10

knew that earth would give his son

17:12

powers, And as Calo's rocket, of course,

17:14

broke through the atmosphere, Krypton, Krypton

17:16

exploded. I like that you said he deposited

17:18

his son. Like, as I just imagined,

17:20

like, this giant man, like dropping a

17:23

baby into a

17:23

rocket. He's like, yeah. He's the man of steel. He'll be Well,

17:26

the interesting

17:26

thing about this is that he's not an

17:29

No.

17:29

He's a he's a toddler. So he's a little less breakable. Because

17:31

that will change later on. Mhmm.

17:33

After flying through space for an undetermined

17:35

amount of time, they do not reveal how

17:37

long it takes. Which I kinda I have always liked that in

17:39

Superman origins. I like the fact that there is

17:41

the possibility that Kraton

17:44

might have exploded

17:46

in Earth timeline, like somewhere

17:49

in the middle ages.

17:50

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and

17:51

because of time dilation and traveling

17:53

faster in light, that's why Superman doesn't

17:56

bait. You could also make the argument for, like, he

17:58

could be in stasis when he's inside the ship

18:00

for all we know Christian's very advanced.

18:02

Sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've always liked that. I like the idea

18:04

that Krypton was, like, way. Like, he he was

18:06

in space for a long time. Science.

18:09

Yep. Now, his rocket crashed in a

18:11

small community named Smallville.

18:13

Notice how I did not say

18:15

Kansas. That will come later

18:17

and possibly another geek history

18:18

lesson. Just a

18:21

place called Smallville. Cool.

18:23

Though at first he was placed in an

18:26

orphanage. Oh. Yeah. Cal

18:28

was soon adopted by the kents and given the

18:30

name Clark. And over time, he discovered his

18:32

many powers. And during his tanger

18:34

years, Clark met his strange

18:36

visitor from another

18:38

universe. His own

18:39

counterpart, Superboy of

18:42

Earth one. And

18:43

this is

18:44

where the Red Khan started with

18:46

it. Oh, oh, guy. The more experienced Superboy from Earth

18:48

one helped train Clark in the use of his

18:51

powers. And during this period, Clark briefly

18:53

worked as a circus strong man

18:55

under identity of the masked

18:57

wonder. That's

18:57

a that's a cute little callback to

19:00

the origins of the character. Yep. Him working as

19:02

strongly. I like that.

19:02

Now Mary Ma Kent later

19:05

died. Now, notice it's Mary, not Martha.

19:06

I did notice that. And when

19:09

John Pawke Kent was on his

19:11

deathbed, he made Clark promise to use

19:13

his powers for the good of mankind.

19:15

Now Clark's father calls Clark

19:18

a Superman's, inspiring

19:21

Clark in the use of his

19:23

name. And so

19:25

Clark Clark takes his

19:27

father's advice and creates the identity

19:29

of Superman.

19:29

That's lovely. That's interesting that, you

19:32

know, basically from his inception that

19:34

Superman's reverence and respect for his parents and the values

19:36

that they instilled in him is what keeps him

19:38

on the right

19:38

track. Exactly.

19:39

Exactly that. Because he could break the planet in

19:41

half. Right. If

19:42

if he man, they must have What else do you need?

19:44

He need your He'll be able to this Superman can't.

19:46

Well because I'm gonna to

19:48

his powers here very Okay. Now Clark

19:50

quickly earned himself a job as a reporter at

19:52

the daily star, not the

19:55

daily planet. After turning

19:57

in a story about Superman's first public

19:59

act. Well, he's

20:00

just writing his own coattails to the

20:03

top. Yep. But despite Superman's

20:05

honorable intentions, Superman

20:07

was not initially considered a hero and

20:09

was in fact regarded as a

20:12

vigilant entity working outside of the law -- Gasp. --

20:14

and the legal authorities many

20:16

times fired at him and tried to

20:18

arrest him. While Wow. Many of his

20:20

earliest public actions showed Kallel

20:22

engaging in aggressive actions

20:24

against wife beaters. These

20:26

are some of Superman's first villains.

20:28

Okay. Wife beaters, slum

20:30

lords, social criminals, corrupt

20:34

politicians, corrupt cops, and

20:36

mobsters. So this is nineteen

20:37

thirty eight.

20:38

Is it nineteen thirty eight? It's

20:39

surprisingly progressive even by today's

20:42

standards. Just just we'll get

20:44

to how progressive it is once I started going

20:46

summaries here we go. Okay. Now to show

20:48

you how different this Superman is,

20:50

I thought it would be nice to

20:52

summarize the first ten issues of

20:55

Superman's first ten stories. Okay. And

20:57

to show you how crazy this Superman

20:59

kinda is compared to what we think of

21:02

as Superman. Okay. Now this is the Superman that

21:04

became so popular that it

21:06

created a second Solo title for

21:08

him and led to Superman being

21:10

continuously published for over seventy five

21:12

years. Now at the time -- Yes.

21:14

-- characters

21:14

really didn't get solo titles. No.

21:17

That's very

21:17

true. So one of

21:20

the first. He might be the first. I'm not certain

21:22

about that. So here we go. So here we go. Here's the

21:24

summaries of the first ten Superman

21:26

stories. Now also notice I did

21:28

not say the first ten issues of

21:30

action comics. I did notice that

21:32

in fact. Okay. Here we go. Action

21:34

comics issue number one. Okay. It

21:36

starts with a one page explanation of

21:38

Superman's power. He can leap one

21:40

eighth of a mile or a twenty story

21:42

building. Wow. And again, notice that he

21:44

said he did he can't

21:44

fly. He can leaping is pretty

21:46

impressive. And nothing it says in the

21:49

text nothing less than a bursting

21:51

shell can penetrate his skin, so he's not

21:53

completely invulnerable. But

21:55

close enough. He's for for nineteen thirty eight

21:57

times, he's he's a he's a Mac truck.

22:02

So Alright.

22:05

So here we go. Oh, such an America metaphor.

22:07

So in the issue, Superman shows up

22:09

to the governor's mansion. They never say what state, but

22:11

the governor. Yeah. Naturally. The

22:14

attendant tells him that the governor is

22:16

is sleeping and he can't see

22:18

him. And the superman breaks down the door and he's

22:20

like, I'll see him. Now But he

22:23

stopped at the governor's door, which

22:25

is actually made of steel for some reason.

22:28

And Superman's the governor because the Superman

22:30

breaks that door down too.

22:33

He he tells he tells the

22:35

governor that he has evidence that will

22:37

save a woman that is going to be executed

22:39

in less than fifteen

22:39

minutes. Oh, he's

22:40

like, that's why I broke into your house and friend

22:42

your man served. Yeah. The governor looks at these

22:45

papers and calls the prison and gets her

22:47

sentence immediately commuted. The next next day

22:49

at The Daily Star, the

22:51

editor wants Kent to find out about this

22:53

And then a tip on the phone comes

22:55

in The Daily Star about a wife beating that is

22:57

in progress. Wow. So

22:59

Clark runs off and

23:01

Superman runs into the apartment on the wife

23:03

beating as Superman punches the husband

23:06

saying to the husband as the husband is flying

23:08

through the air. You're not fighting

23:10

a woman now. Okay.

23:14

Clark returns to his office

23:16

after thoroughly beating the wife beater

23:19

-- As you should -- -- and nervously asked

23:21

Lois out for a date. Lois,

23:23

of course says yes. And

23:25

while they're dancing on their date,

23:27

Clark asks Lois, why do you always

23:29

avoid me at the office Lois? Lois

23:32

replies, please, Clark. I've been writing sob

23:34

stories all day, so don't ask me to dish

23:36

out another. That's literally exactly

23:39

the line that she's in. Oh,

23:41

I I'm gonna flat out say right now. I love

23:43

Lois Lane. Golden age Lois Lane

23:45

is a bitch. A

23:48

bitch and

23:48

a prude. So

23:50

not like, look small, Bill. No.

23:51

No. She's like, you're a coward and

23:53

I hate you. I

23:57

need there to be an action figure of Golden Beach Loews Lane

23:59

with an intangible speech bubble that

24:02

says it's your calorie that I hate

24:04

you.

24:05

So makes Okay. So

24:09

Then a man tries to cut

24:11

in on their dance a tough. Right?

24:14

And Lois doesn't want to yeah. Yeah. And Lois doesn't want to

24:16

dance with this man. And Clark just

24:18

as

24:18

nervous. He's like, well, just dance with the man Lois. It'll

24:20

be fine.

24:21

Then we'll go, Yeah. Yeah. So

24:24

Clark so Lois gets

24:26

so mad that we're still in the

24:28

first issue. It's not the best big ever.

24:30

So Lois gets so mad at Clark that she

24:32

slaps Clark and leaves Clark in

24:34

disgust. But you see

24:36

but you see that tough really wanted to

24:38

dance. So he follows Lois in his car. He

24:41

follows Lois' lap on his car. And

24:43

Superman sees this Superman's chases down

24:45

the car. And when the driver sees

24:47

him in the rearview mirror, he exclaims,

24:49

it's the devil himself. Wow.

24:52

Yeah. And then Superman lifts

24:54

the car the image that we see on the

24:56

very famous cover. Mhmm. And

24:58

Lois c Superman for the very first

25:00

time, one of my favorite panels in all

25:03

Superman history, Superman comes close to

25:05

Lois and he

25:05

says, you needn't be afraid of me.

25:08

I won't harm you. Well,

25:09

that's Superman and A nutshell, isn't it? Yep. The

25:11

next morning, Lois tries to publish the Superman

25:14

story, but the chief won't have it because

25:16

he thinks it's ridiculous and

25:18

absurd. Well -- Yep.

25:20

-- but instead he sends Clark Kent

25:22

to a country called Santa Monte

25:24

to cover a war going on there.

25:26

But, of doesn't go directly there. He takes

25:28

a train and he stops in Washington DC.

25:30

Sure. And just on

25:32

the way. Yeah. And in Washington DC,

25:35

Superman overhears a conversation between

25:37

a a politician

25:38

and, like, a mobster trying to convince the

25:40

politician to vote on a certain

25:41

bill. Still the first issue?

25:42

Weird. We have not left the first issue yet. There's

25:45

like

25:45

three plot points down now.

25:47

So Superman grabs the man trying to

25:49

corrupt the senator and holds him as

25:51

he runs along the electric lines of

25:52

DC, runs on top of the world. Pictures of

25:54

that. And then that's where action comics number

25:56

one ends. And and

26:00

and here's a fun

26:00

fact. Okay. Okay. So that's action comments

26:03

number one. Right? That's

26:03

bonkers. Yep.

26:05

So action comments number one did

26:08

really well. Yeah. Superman's

26:11

not on the cover of action comics number

26:14

two.

26:14

Daisy comics. What are you doing? No. What's

26:16

you doing? Detective comics. Detect

26:17

it would do. DC

26:18

comics totally doesn't exist now.

26:20

Detective comics, what's your doing?

26:22

Superman doesn't appear on the cover of issue

26:25

too. Why not? Or or three?

26:27

Why not? Or four. Weird. Or

26:29

five. Yeah. Or

26:32

six. Superman does not appear on the cover of action

26:34

comics until action comics

26:36

issue seven. Wow.

26:39

But He has stories in each of

26:41

these issues, but they have other changes.

26:43

So and and there's one of

26:45

these covers that I thought was really that I'm gonna describe to

26:47

you because I can't believe that's the image they chose

26:49

over Superman. Okay. There you go. So let's jump

26:51

to issue number two. Okay. Issue number two. Now

26:53

now the again, these are gonna become

26:56

stories they won't be as long because they won't be the whole

26:58

issue. There'll just be pieces of the issue. Cool. Here you

27:00

go. So in issue number two, Superman

27:02

goes to Santa Monte, like I said in the first

27:04

of June. And he forces a

27:06

munitions manufacturer to join the

27:08

army up. Okay? Because he thinks

27:10

he's like, oh, here's making all these weapons. You don't

27:12

understand what it's like for the real man. This

27:14

horrifying the wealthy man and thus

27:16

he returns to the United States and vows

27:18

to never manufacture anything more

27:21

dangerous than a

27:21

firecracker. I'm

27:22

just saying and that a lesson to put out in the

27:25

world right now. And then

27:26

Superman returns back to Santa Monte and makes

27:29

the two warring commanders stand down their

27:31

armies so they won't fight.

27:32

Wow. That's the

27:33

story. Wow. Issue number three is called

27:36

Superman battle's death

27:38

underground. That's like

27:40

that's, like, upside beneath of around the mutant

27:42

planets of the Earth, planets of

27:44

the ape kinda

27:45

title. That's ridiculous. So

27:47

in issue three, Superman saved some minors from a

27:50

collapsed mine, which Superman

27:52

believes happen because of unsafe

27:54

minor mine So he

27:56

hides a worker. And while in

27:58

the cave, Superman causes a

28:00

cave in while the owner of the

28:02

mine is incited. And when the

28:04

owner of the cave discovers the safety

28:06

commissions don't work, he vows to

28:08

fix it all and makes his mind

28:10

the safest in the

28:11

world. And when Superman hears that, he he

28:14

clears the way to safety.

28:15

Oh, good job, Superman. But you might be

28:17

noticing a trend here. I am noticing sing

28:19

a trend. Okay. Issue number four, Superman takes

28:21

down a corrupt football

28:22

coach, and it's really not that

28:25

interesting. So we're gonna be Oh, okay. They

28:27

can all be they

28:27

can all be that. Yes. Issue number

28:30

five is called the Big Scoop

28:32

and is the birth of the Clark

28:34

and Lois Lane

28:35

rivalry. Yeah.

28:36

Okay. So here's the story for this one. Okay.

28:38

The editor of The Daily Star learns

28:40

that the Valley Ho dam is in danger

28:42

of cracking because of torrential rain.

28:45

Okay. Clark is nowhere to be found,

28:47

so Lois demands the story.

28:49

But the editor of

28:51

the daily

28:52

star. Mhmm. Thinks the story is too

28:54

dangerous for all woman. He's like,

28:56

what, girly? Yeah.

28:57

Us, girly. You can't take her, so But I

28:58

got Moxie. Whoa. Lois does have

29:01

Moxie and she's so insulted. F yeah.

29:03

That she tracks down Clark and

29:05

then feeds Clark misinformation

29:07

so that he will go on a wild goose

29:09

chase, that's not the dam, so that Lois can go to

29:11

the dam and get the storm.

29:12

Oh, Lois, that's mean. Mad

29:15

that Clark let himself get scooped

29:17

by Lois, the editor then

29:20

fires Clark Kent from The Daily

29:22

Star. Wow. So Clark dresses up a Superman,

29:24

Superman's damn, and actually is because

29:26

he goes there a Superman, he actually beats Lois

29:28

there. Mhmm. But he's still unable to stop

29:30

the damn from cracking. Okay. So he

29:32

still has to save Lois, but he's

29:34

able to save the city because he's able to

29:36

divert divert the water away from the

29:39

city. Superman then calls in

29:41

the scoop about the flood being

29:43

diverted as Clark and

29:46

regains his

29:47

job. That's

29:47

lucky, which

29:48

infuriates Lois to know him. I'm sure.

29:50

How

29:50

did Clark meet me

29:51

at the story? He wasn't even

29:53

there. Yep. Now we're gonna

29:55

to issue six, which is a story that I think is

29:57

called as brilliant, the man who sold

30:00

Superman. A man named

30:02

Nick Williams claims to be Superman's personal

30:05

manager and offers Clark an

30:05

interview. God, that is such

30:07

an LA thing to do. Clark takes him

30:09

up on his offer, but not before Lois

30:11

Clatt grabs Clark, and tells him to

30:13

take her to dinner. During

30:16

the

30:16

dinner, Lois drugs

30:19

Clark. Wait. Yep.

30:21

We are

30:21

reverse roofies going. Lois Lane,

30:24

roofies, Clark Kent, and takes

30:26

the meeting instead. But

30:28

Lois at the meeting is unconvinced by the actor

30:30

that Nick hired to play Superman. So

30:32

Nick William throw Nick William's

30:34

throws her out of a window, when

30:36

she threatens to reveal the

30:36

scam. But luckily for

30:38

Wow. But luckily for Lois, Superman,

30:41

the drugs didn't affect him and

30:43

he's he's wait outside the building and catch lowest and exposes

30:45

Williams as a

30:45

fraud. He's like, this is gonna

30:46

go south. I'll just wait outside the window. Issue

30:49

number seven is a

30:51

very sweet story. Clark

30:53

has sent to interview the head of the Jordan circus that

30:55

came to town, and the owner overhears

30:57

the owner sad that it will go

31:00

broke because the circus has to pay off the mob. Mhmm.

31:02

Circuit Clark sees the show there

31:04

and he notices he notes he actually says

31:06

this that it lacks flash.

31:10

So Superman takes pity on the

31:12

circus and shows up to the circus, saying that he

31:14

will be the circus's new strong

31:16

man. Yeah. And during the show, he

31:18

lifts an elephant. He juggles the other strong man.

31:20

Does all these crazy

31:21

stuff? Juggles the other strong man. Juggles the

31:23

other strong man and an elephant at the same time. That's

31:25

amazing.

31:26

I want that on a t shirt. So the mob

31:27

men see this and they realize that this this

31:30

circus is gonna go through the roof to make so much

31:32

money. Yeah. Yeah.

31:32

They start to cause accidents because they

31:34

are afraid that the course of the service is gonna be

31:36

too successful. But

31:39

Superman stops the mobsters and saves the

31:42

circus, in the b plot. There is

31:44

a daily star worker named

31:46

curly who yep.

31:49

Who keeps who keeps flipping

31:51

out Clark Kent's tie. You know, I guess tucked in

31:53

the front of

31:53

you. And he keeps flipping out Clark Kent's tie every

31:55

time he walks by, but Clark never

31:57

gets mad about it. So

31:59

and Curry keeps remarking about like, oh, it's

32:01

so crazy. So one moment at the very end of

32:03

the issue when Curry is walking into an office,

32:06

Superman runs at SuperSpeed and

32:08

pulls all of Chloe's

32:10

clothing

32:10

off, making him completely naked in public in

32:12

an instant. To

32:15

what end? Because

32:16

that to Superman wins, I think if Eric

32:18

don't don't you don't tug on Superman's Kate.

32:21

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34:02

see where man is not on the cover again.

34:06

I This is the funniest cover of all. Okay. The cover

34:08

of

34:08

action comics number eight is an Indian,

34:10

a Native American -- Mhmm.

34:12

-- fighting a British

34:14

soldier. Awesome. There's, like,

34:16

struggling. It's so

34:16

good. Yeah. There you go. And they were, like,

34:19

this is more interesting than the men of tomorrow. Well,

34:21

actually, because the story in issue eight is quite

34:23

forgettable because Superman tries to save a bunch

34:25

of kids and the bad tenements they live and they kinda

34:27

live in a kennel. So

34:30

Superman to save the kids

34:32

decides to break apart

34:34

the building in every building in

34:36

this tenement area because he figures

34:38

that if he breaks them

34:38

all, they'll have to rebuild them and the people can live

34:40

there.

34:41

That's a terrible idea. Well, it is terrible

34:43

because starts bashing down these buildings all

34:45

in managed steel style, and the army is

34:47

sent in to stop him. Why? But

34:50

the end of the story just jumps ahead in time and

34:52

they all have new apartment buildings,

34:54

unexplainable. And they're and they're

34:55

like, yeah, thank you, sir,

34:56

man. And just about tied to me.

34:57

Yeah. But literally there's, like, pages in this where

35:00

Superman is, like, destroying apartment

35:02

buildings. Wow.

35:06

Issue nine actually has a race car on the cover. Awesome.

35:08

Is Superman in, around, or lifting the

35:10

race car? No. It's just a race car.

35:12

Superman is not in the cover.

35:15

In this issue, the police are in full force

35:17

as they hire Captain Riley to capture

35:20

Superman. Okay? When Clark

35:22

asks Lois out on the date,

35:24

She actually says that she despises Clark and

35:26

that she truly only loves Superman.

35:28

You're a coward and I hate

35:30

you. Now, here's the fun thing about this.

35:33

Clark quickly walks to another office room and starts

35:36

laughing out loud because he thinks it's

35:38

hilarious. I love that.

35:40

That's fantastic. Quickly,

35:42

Captain Reilly offers a five

35:44

thousand dollar reward for the capture of

35:46

Superman. And a man named Mortimer,

35:48

he finds he finds

35:50

Clark's clothes in an

35:52

alleyway during one of the times that Superman

35:54

is out rescuing somebody. Mhmm. And in

35:56

the close, he finds a

35:58

note that says going to Dunkin'

36:00

reception. Mortimer, of course,

36:02

tells Captain O'Reilly, hey, I found the close of Superman

36:04

blah blah Superman's. So the police

36:06

show up at the

36:08

Dunkin'

36:08

reception. Clark is there. And just before he was

36:10

going to be searched and

36:12

have his costume, of course, will

36:15

be revealed. Got it. Mortimer turns

36:17

off the lights because O'Reilly wasn't going to give him

36:19

his five thousand dollar reward. So when

36:21

he flicks off the lights, Clark is able to run

36:23

out run

36:25

his clothes, run back in, and appear as

36:28

Superman. Well, that's

36:29

And of course, he bashes

36:31

in O'Reilly and Mordor's heads.

36:33

Solvency. Solvency solving the issues.

36:35

Everything

36:35

was brain damage. Yep.

36:38

Now we get to issue ten of action comics, and

36:40

Superman is finally back on the

36:42

cover. Yay. And in this Superman helps to overthrow a cruel prison

36:44

warden who is torturing his prisoners.

36:46

And it's that's about it. That's all

36:48

you need to know. Of course, he

36:50

pretends to be one of the prisoners and gets the prison

36:52

wardener to be tortured. And the prison

36:54

wardener warden is like, oh, I miss my

36:56

ways. Oh, I should be a better prison

36:58

warden. Yeah. I I am.

37:00

There you go. And the issue ends with an

37:02

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When I ran out of air, I need to take a

37:57

drink real quick, so vampa. Well,

37:58

what happens when you talk like an old timey guy or when talk like Varek.

38:00

But now we're gonna do more semi installed. I mean,

38:02

they all had two in tobacco and cigarettes. That's how

38:05

they got through it. Yeah, really. Now

38:08

as you can tell, I'm giving you a primer. I'm giving you a nice

38:11

base foundation of Superman. Solid. And you

38:13

Superman's the golden age

38:15

of ventures of By

38:17

our standards, of course, are a little silly. Wow.

38:20

But I like that they're very

38:22

socially

38:22

conscious. They are. I

38:23

I'm actually kinda surprised

38:26

by how relevant they are. Yes. So we're gonna skip all the head a little

38:28

bit and we're gonna summarize a bit more because

38:30

we gotta get to we gotta get to nineteen fifty

38:32

six. Okay. Okay,

38:34

Ashley. I wanna ask

38:36

you, do you know who Superman's first Superman was?

38:40

No.

38:40

Can I guess? Yes. I

38:44

would assume that it is Lex

38:46

Luther in some form

38:48

or

38:48

another. It is

38:49

not Lex Luther. I

38:51

would guess that it's brainiac. It is

38:54

not brainiac. Well, I'm all out of

38:56

ideas. It is the

38:58

ultra humanite. That weird monkey

38:59

guy? Yes. But at this time, he was bald and looked exactly

39:01

like like Luther. Oh, yeah. I've seen a big

39:03

shoes of that. Well, as I mentioned, if you remember

39:05

earlier, the Golden H. D.

39:07

Brand has varied stink differences from what we know as

39:09

Superman. Mhmm. So there's that for for instance.

39:12

Also, Superman didn't have a fortress of

39:14

solitude during

39:16

this time. He had a a place called the Secret Citadel,

39:18

which basically just had a giant workout center

39:20

inside. Awesome. Yep. Now a

39:22

Superman continued to be

39:24

the most successful character in

39:26

comics during this period, his solo book

39:28

quickly went from being a quarterly

39:30

to a bimonthly book. Wow. And he would

39:32

also get a lead slot in world's

39:34

finest comics, which was a follow-up

39:36

to the New York New York

39:38

World's Fair Specials, and these

39:40

comics would feature both super man

39:42

and

39:42

Batman. That's the reason why they're called world's finest. That is a

39:45

true and scientific

39:45

fact. Yep. Even though every story is

39:48

credited to Seadrill and Shuster,

39:50

this is

39:52

complete

39:52

untrue. Oh, really?

39:53

Yes. Actually Shuster stayed on the strip longer

39:55

than he did any of his other

39:57

creations, but the sheer

40:00

volume of Superman stories with action

40:02

comics and the solo

40:04

title and world's finest necessitated them

40:06

bringing on other artists and other writers.

40:08

Wayne Boring actually would be one of the greatest influences at this time

40:11

because he is the one that is

40:13

giving credit for the

40:16

Superman Superman's on Sudan's

40:18

chest becoming what we think of it

40:20

as today with the triangular kind of Yeah.

40:22

It's a kind of dimension. Because

40:24

before then, it's kinda like a gold sheel

40:26

with a red ass and, like, it did all kind of difference. It wasn't a

40:28

stylized, I would

40:29

say. Yeah. Wayne Warren's the one that's

40:30

responsible for what we think of

40:33

as this stylized Superman's. Thanks,

40:35

Wayne. You do good work. Yeah.

40:36

Now during these further adventures, we learned that Clark

40:38

actually and this is a fun fact. Clark

40:41

actually has a massive

40:43

Clark clock collection and collects

40:45

clocks. That's where -- Exactly. -- has

40:47

never been mentioned again. That's super

40:49

that would be a great detail to introduce

40:51

if you were doing I

40:52

would do it now. Yeah. Like, if we were gonna see his apartment in Metropolis, like and

40:55

he had a room that was just full of clocks and they're like,

40:57

why? He's like, I I just like to see time

40:58

fly. There you are. There you go. Great.

41:02

In action comics number sixty nine, we learned for the

41:04

first time that his x-ray vision cannot see

41:06

through lead. Mhmm. He also uses super

41:08

breath for the first time and

41:12

super hypnosis, which actually

41:14

almost gets overused during this time

41:16

to prevent Lois from discovering his identity.

41:18

Yeah. Yeah. Now also during this time period, as I mentioned

41:20

a couple times, the editor of The Daily Star,

41:22

his name was actually George Taylor.

41:24

Okay. But by nineteen forty one,

41:28

Clark is suddenly under the daily planet under

41:30

Perry White. Great. Now these changes were

41:32

done to correspond to the very popular

41:36

Radio Show. Mhmm. But it was actually

41:38

poorly executed in the comics

41:40

because in action well, in action comics

41:42

number twenty two, The daily star

41:44

sends Lois and Clark to the European

41:46

country of Kolonial when it is

41:48

invaded by Tehran. But in issue

41:50

twenty three, they file

41:52

their story on the same

41:54

invasion with the daily

41:55

planet. Okay? So at flip flops

41:58

and Georgetown and Perry White kinda do

42:00

that a couple times too. So

42:01

those editors weren't doing their jobs. So you were just get

42:03

them out. Get

42:03

them out. Get

42:04

them out. Yeah. For real. And again, like I said,

42:06

George Taylor's appearance alters because sometimes he's

42:08

heavy, sometimes he's

42:09

old, sometimes he's smoking

42:12

a cigar.

42:13

Barryl. And

42:13

in Superman number seven, he abruptly changes

42:16

his name to Perry White

42:18

even though he's drawn the

42:20

exact same way as

42:22

George

42:22

Taylor.

42:22

Parry with some more distinctive names, so I think it was better choice

42:24

really. In Superman number eleven, Lois

42:26

first notices that Clark is never around

42:29

what Superman is and she wonders

42:32

Is it possible that and this goes on for about a year

42:34

and tells a story in Superman seventeen

42:36

Superman's Lois tries to prove that

42:38

Clark is really

42:40

Superman's. And of course, she fails, but

42:42

this will go on for decades. For literally the rest of time.

42:44

Yes. Jimmy Olsen is

42:48

slowly and as Shirley worked into the comic Again,

42:50

Jimmy first made his appearance in the

42:52

Superman Radio series and was

42:54

retroactively combined

42:57

with an unnamed office boy that

42:59

appeared in several early issues of action

43:01

comments.

43:01

Hey, unnamed office boy. Bring me a pencil. In

43:03

Superman number five, the boy actually has brown

43:05

hair and no name. And in issue

43:07

number

43:08

thirteen, he's finally called Jimmy and it's not until Superman

43:10

fifteen that he's actually

43:11

called Jimmy Olson.

43:14

Wow. Would have imagined that there's just

43:16

like this lost boys collection of

43:18

young men working in the Daily Plan. Now

43:20

here's what we're gonna get even crazier. Jimmy

43:22

doesn't get his red hair and bow tie

43:25

until action comics number forty nine. Really? And a

43:27

few months later, in world's

43:29

finest number six,

43:31

It's finally revealed that him and Clark

43:33

are friends. Wow.

43:34

So there you go. It took longer than

43:36

I would have expected. Yeah. Very interesting. The

43:39

daily planet's iconic globe that's to pop their building

43:41

and finally debut in this area.

43:44

Although different artists changed

43:46

their mind on whether they wanted

43:48

to draw or not. So sometimes it shows up and sometimes it

43:50

doesn't. Awesome. Yep. Continuity.

43:52

And then Superman's greatest

43:56

supervillain Finally debuts. Who is that Ashley? Lex

43:58

Luther. That is right. Lexloser

44:00

debuts in action comics number

44:04

twenty three. He actually has no first name during this time and healthy

44:06

crop of red hair. Awesomely. Yep.

44:08

He would go through the entire period

44:10

without getting a first name

44:13

but actually his hair doesn't last more than a

44:16

year. He makes two appearances

44:18

following action comics twenty three the following

44:20

month, both in the pages of Superman

44:22

number four, threatening metropolis

44:24

with an earthquake machine and then

44:26

attempting to raise the southern city of

44:28

Pacific that's with a queue at the

44:30

end. Steel He also tries to steal the oil

44:33

from Oklahoma, to power the machines to raise

44:35

it, and he tries to flood the California

44:37

coasts. I like that the the

44:39

first season of Arrow lifted the earthquake

44:42

machine to end out their first

44:43

season. That's a good way to end

44:46

it. Yeah. In Luther's fourth appearance in Superman number

44:48

ten, Luther is suddenly

44:50

bold. Well, no explanation.

44:52

Well, bold. All guys are

44:54

scary. I guess. And, actually, in Superman

44:56

number ten, he's developed in the invisibility

44:58

ray that he uses that he

45:00

uses with his gang to help rob banks.

45:02

And I I'm going to put it out there right now that I

45:04

think he accidentally used the invisibility ray

45:06

on his hair. And that's where it

45:07

went. And that's where it

45:10

went. Head Canon accepted. That's amazing.

45:12

Yep. Now, Superman

45:14

villain called The Puzzler, debuts

45:17

in action comics number forty nine and

45:19

he returns in Superman number twenty. He's

45:21

actually a professional looking man with glasses

45:24

and a van dyke beard. And the

45:26

puzzler considers himself a

45:28

master of games leaving clues

45:30

for Superman to figure out who

45:32

he

45:32

is. Boy, this shirt does sound like a couple other villains I know.

45:34

Yeah. What other villain does this sound

45:35

like? This sounds a lot like a

45:37

Ridley. Now I looked it up because I

45:39

wanted to see

45:42

The idler actually did not debut until nineteen

45:44

forty

45:44

eight. So the peddler predates the idler.

45:46

And it also sounds

45:47

like a crewman Lester. Yeah.

45:49

I

45:49

always thought the clue master was a low rent riddler

45:52

anyways. Totally.

45:53

Yep. But I think that's

45:55

very interesting. World's

45:57

finest number six is the only appearance of

46:00

metallo in the Golden

46:02

Age. Golden Age mentality

46:02

though has one of the best most

46:05

patchwork put together looks ever.

46:07

Well, because this Mattallo is simply a man in a powerful

46:10

metal suit. Yes. Though for

46:12

much of the tail, many people on the

46:14

street believe him to be an alien robot.

46:16

Interesting. Yeah. Action

46:18

comics number fifty one is the debut of

46:20

the prankster who is a

46:22

master con artist who is a

46:23

comedian. He is an oversized collar and ugly

46:25

green plaid jacket that they've kept

46:27

to this day. Yeah.

46:28

The pretender pretends to the prep

46:30

prankster pretends to rob banks, but in

46:32

fact leaves money for them each time.

46:35

And this is all planned to have one baker open

46:37

as Vault, so we can get the millions of

46:39

jewels and stocks inside that vault. The

46:41

stocks? Maybe the stocks.

46:42

The toy man debuted in action comics number sixty four. Oh. He's a

46:44

singer who can hear us,

46:45

girl. He's revealed in as an aging toy maker

46:47

with a mop of long,

46:49

curly, blonde hair. And

46:51

he decides to use the toys he builds for

46:54

crime. In the first tale, the toys

46:56

proved to be bombs, and he uses

46:58

a toy to escape prison in

47:00

Superman twenty seven and opens a

47:02

high end arcade using it to

47:04

entertain the

47:04

crowds, to distract them so he

47:07

can rob them. I love it. Yep.

47:10

Love it. And soon,

47:12

Kryptonite was introduced. Ashley,

47:14

what is Kryptonite? Kryptonite

47:16

is this green rock that saps

47:19

all of Superman's powers. And in

47:21

some

47:21

incarnations, it's strength depends

47:24

on who's writing in. Exactly.

47:27

Exactly. Now, Kryptonite at the time had

47:29

already appeared again in the

47:32

Superman Radio Show. Now,

47:34

the first story is

47:36

dealing with Dorel and Laura were

47:38

eventually printed after this time. Oh, that's cool.

47:40

Yeah. They after Kryptonite.

47:42

And this

47:44

actually is what a lot

47:46

of people believe open the door to a science fiction universe

47:48

that would eventually become what

47:50

all Superman tales are

47:53

about. As Superman in the nineteen fifties would basically become a

47:56

sci fi series. Well, the alien of

47:58

it all.

47:58

Yep. Also during this time,

47:59

Superman's origin

48:02

gets retold. Mhmm. And it's expanded with developments that

48:04

had taken place to that point. And

48:06

it has happened in Superman

48:10

number fifty fifty three, which is Bill as the tenth anniversary of the

48:12

character. Wow. Jor Elle and

48:14

Superman's parents, are introduced and

48:18

their world of kryptonite is introduced and it's doomed to destruction because it's

48:21

unstable uranium core this time.

48:23

Very topical. Yep. Drell

48:26

Drorl presents his findings to the castle. He's laughed at. Drorl only

48:28

has a small rocket and carries

48:30

his child, Kellell. Now, this time,

48:32

the rocket lands on and is

48:35

found by John and Mary Kent. And this is

48:37

the first time that we learn Pakent's

48:40

first name.

48:42

Oh, really? For this, he was only known as Paw. Paw. Also,

48:44

it's the first time that we learn the

48:46

maiden name of Mary Clark,

48:49

which is what? How

48:51

Clark got his name. Yes. This is the first time this was

48:54

mentioned. Now, also

48:56

Superman remembers his days as

48:58

Superman's in Super

49:00

Boy -- Yeah. -- seventy three.

49:03

And fun fact, Super

49:05

Boy by this point, had been

49:07

running around for a number of years. Mhmm. But is actually the first tale in the

49:09

book to show Young Clark Kent for

49:11

any extended period

49:14

of time. Because the story

49:16

introduced the idea of super

49:18

baby boy slash man's

49:20

costume made from blankets that

49:22

were found in the rocket

49:24

from

49:24

Krypton. I

49:25

like that idea. I do. I like this very sweet. I like the idea that the

49:27

cape is as blanket. Yes. But the rest of it, I

49:29

kinda think, is ridiculous.

49:31

Well, this is a

49:33

gold age. The first detailed depiction of

49:35

Superman's microscopic vision appeared in

49:37

world's finest number

49:40

forty eight. And it's the only story of this

49:42

era to really delve into one of his

49:44

powers. Okay. Now the story deals with the

49:46

scientist who creates what appears to

49:48

be a

49:50

super strong form of steel, knowing

49:52

that it will molecularly collapse and disintegrate

49:54

in a year. Okay. When this begins

49:58

happening, Superman Russia's from disaster to disaster trying to save people from

50:00

collapsing bridges, de railing trains,

50:02

and falling buildings, and

50:04

Wayne boring again. I've mentioned him. Yep.

50:07

He used a really cool visual to show the

50:10

microscopic vision. And as Superman

50:12

uses it on the steel to determine what is wrong

50:14

with it. Now the

50:16

scientist who did this almost falls

50:18

victim himself -- Oh, no. -- as

50:20

he never considered how

50:22

many buildings had been built

50:24

with his crappy product.

50:26

Sounds like social responsibility. Also

50:28

during this time, a number of famous

50:30

people famous at the

50:31

time. You got to team up with Superman in this era, and I wanna see if you

50:33

know them. Okay. So Superman teamed up

50:35

with

50:35

Ralph Edwards. I don't know who

50:38

that is. Well,

50:40

Ashley, Ralph Livingston Edwards is

50:42

an American radio and television

50:44

host. Best knows known

50:46

for his radio TV

50:48

game show truth or

50:49

consequences, and this is your life. Sure. I didn't know

50:51

who that was. So Hey, guys.

50:53

How? Superman also

50:54

teamed

50:54

up with very famous actors Anne

50:58

Blythe.

50:58

I knew who Anne Blight is. Oh, really? Who is she? I just know

51:00

I just know the name. Oh, she's

51:02

an actress from movies like the Great

51:05

Caruso, brute force, and the student

51:08

Prince. And her storyline with Superman is called

51:10

Superman and the Mermaid.

51:12

Oh. Superman also teamed up

51:14

with Perry Como.

51:15

Musician.

51:16

He's an

51:16

American singer in television personality. There you

51:18

go. And

51:19

Superman teamed up with Orson Wells. I know

51:21

who Orson Wells

51:22

is. He has rich and famous contracts.

51:24

Yes. Any

51:24

directed citizen's game? Yes. Now action

51:27

comics number one thirty one

51:29

features a Luther story that would eventually be

51:31

adapted as the second of the Superman movie

51:33

series. Okay. Now, Luther has invented

51:35

a

51:35

machine that moves people and objects

51:38

into and out

51:40

of the fourth dimension.

51:42

And he announces the plans for his next

51:44

crime to Lois Lane, including in

51:46

intending the press to cover the crime as he

51:48

transports men from the scene.

51:50

Now Clark Kent writes the story

51:52

for the Daily Planet and winds up

51:54

on the chopping block when

51:56

Perry White and the planet get

51:58

sued by Luther's thieves first landowner. A first

52:01

landowner. Now, Luther transports them across

52:03

the country and they have

52:06

to witness and they have witnesses placed them thousands a mile away. And

52:08

Clark finds that his reputation has been

52:10

ruined and no other paper will

52:12

hire him then.

52:14

Oh, no. Smoother then uses the machine on

52:16

Superman, trapping Superman in the fourth

52:18

dimension. And essentially, this puts

52:20

Superman in the same state

52:22

as the phantom zone even

52:24

though they won't introduce the phantom zone for many,

52:26

many years. Okay. But as with the

52:28

phantom zone, Superman finds that he is able

52:30

to influence an

52:32

electric typewriter. Yeah. Although that is credited, the story is having

52:34

a wonderful sensitivity to the meat machine

52:36

himself. Lois gets

52:38

to act as Superman's

52:40

agent finding Luther and reversing the machine to

52:42

free Superman. So Superman sends a message

52:44

to Lois and Lois helps

52:44

out. Oh, that's nice to

52:45

Lois. There you go. Action comics

52:48

number one forty one, Mark the first story in

52:50

which Lex Luther creates

52:52

kryptonite to And

52:54

then comes an introduction

52:56

of a great super

52:57

Ambulance. My second favorite, super

53:00

Ambulance. Mister Mitchell Pittalik?

53:02

Yes. Now,

53:03

mister Mitchell Pittalik, has romance

53:06

problems in his first appearance during this

53:08

period in Superman fifty one. There

53:10

seems to be a new king

53:12

in Zwurf. Aim, that's where he's from. I know not the Fit

53:14

dimensions, Zeph at this

53:16

time. Who needs to marry off his

53:18

daughter and picks missile pilot for

53:20

the groom? MiXolpiq

53:22

lies claiming to be engaged to

53:24

Lois Lane and heads to her to

53:26

marry her. Awesome. Lois insists that mister

53:28

MiXolpiq would have to prove himself as

53:30

good as a reporter as she is for

53:32

her to marry him. This is,

53:35

of course, is very bizarre. Sure. And as

53:37

a way to go into the next act of

53:39

the story, the imp uses his mad to

53:41

outdo her as a reporter. And Perry

53:43

White puts them in direct competition

53:45

to get a three question interview with

53:47

Superman. Now Perry White, he sees

53:49

this magical imp. He's not like, what the hell are you doing and get out

53:51

of here? Gracie's just a ghost. He says, hey, you

53:54

Impey. If you can get a three question interview with

53:56

Superman, hire you. Yeah. You

53:58

can marry LLis Lane. I don't

54:00

care. Yeah. Mixo Peddle,

54:02

like, outlets Lois, and gets

54:04

his answers during

54:06

a battle old

54:06

banter, you know, a battle

54:07

with Superman. But Lois actually

54:10

lives up to her words and

54:12

heads to the altar. And right before she

54:14

is able

54:16

to Mary Mistlepeddlek. Superman tricks Mistlepeddlek into

54:18

saying his name backwards, which sends him

54:20

back to his home

54:21

dimension. Goddamn right. Also, I think that is

54:24

interesting because

54:26

historically, and in the traditions of mythology,

54:28

doing that, say the name backwards of either

54:30

a dragon or a demon will send

54:33

the mac from whence they came. Interesting. So

54:35

fun fact. during this time also

54:37

helped to establish the Justice

54:39

Society of America Mhmm. Due to various

54:41

personal adventures, your man was only able to join the

54:43

justice society as a honor honorary member. No.

54:46

It was also around this time, the

54:48

Golden Age

54:50

finally came to an end, and this Superman would disappear to

54:52

what would eventually be known as Earth two.

54:54

But we will find out more

54:57

about them we return to tell you more about Superman

55:00

in a future accessory lesson

55:02

called Superman the Silver

55:04

Age. Oh,

55:06

that's that's that's so

55:08

sad. But

55:08

we're gonna talk about Superman and other

55:11

media during this time.

55:11

Okay. Now instead of telling you about

55:14

Superman and Media, forever. Again,

55:16

I'm only gonna tell you from this time

55:17

period, the Superman Media.

55:20

And if there's a lot of it

55:21

actually. Okay. During the nineteen forties, there was

55:24

the Avengers It was a radio series starring Bud

55:26

Collier or Collier. It might be how you say it as

55:28

the voice serum and Joan Alexander as

55:30

Lois. Yes.

55:32

And here's a funny story about that radio show. Okay.

55:34

In nineteen forty six,

55:36

Silver Rights Activist, Stetson Kennedy,

55:40

contacted the producers of the radio show and made them an

55:42

interesting

55:42

proposal. Okay. He

55:44

claimed that he had a lot of information

55:47

about the Culex clan's inner

55:50

workings, including

55:52

secret passwords and the like. And

55:55

he was having trouble

55:57

getting the southern law enforcement to do

55:59

anything with his information because he's kinda

56:01

like, you take it on the plane with his

56:03

information. Yeah. This is Wow. This is

56:05

a crazy amount of entry that I did not the radio show. So he

56:07

thought that publicizing this information

56:10

via a radio program --

56:12

Right.

56:13

-- would embarrass the Kukla's clan and temporarily throw

56:15

a wrench into their workings. Not a not a bad

56:18

idea. Now

56:18

the writers and executives at DC

56:22

comics were thrilled at the chance to actually

56:24

fight for real true justice in

56:26

the American way. Right? That's awesome. And

56:28

they plotted an art called versus

56:33

the Ku Klux

56:34

Klan. Awesome. And it hit the

56:36

air. It was broadcast.

56:40

Awesome.

56:40

Ratings were

56:42

huge. Yeah. And in

56:46

fact, in Steven

56:48

Dubner's and Steven Delevitz freakonomics, they claim

56:51

that the show had the intended

56:53

effect of ridiculing the clan

56:55

and publicizing a

56:58

secret passwords and thus visibly

57:00

aiding the cause of civil rights in

57:04

America. Wow. However,

57:06

the amount of inside information

57:08

about the KKK was actually revealed

57:10

to be kind of exaggerated. Sure.

57:14

And a review of all sixteen episodes of

57:16

clan of the fiery cross storyline

57:19

re reveals

57:22

that no actual passwords revealed on air. But

57:24

the intended effect

57:25

was had. It so a

57:28

Superman Radio

57:30

Show of Superman fighting

57:32

the Kukulik clan actually happened.

57:34

That's the that's the greatest thing. That's

57:36

the best gift you could have given me. This case

57:38

yesterday lesson. That's freaking

57:39

amazing. And then cool. Yes. Now I wanna go

57:41

find it. Alright. Let's talk about some

57:43

more superman stuff. Like in nineteen

57:46

forty eight, Superman, it was a serial

57:48

in fifteen chapters starring Kirk

57:50

Allen and Noel Neal. It

57:52

recounts the origin story of and

57:54

he fights the Spider Lady. Oh, okay. In

57:56

nineteen fifty, Adam Man versus

57:58

Superman was a serial Superman's parts,

58:00

starting still starring Kirk Allen

58:02

and Noel

58:04

Neal. Okay. And he fights the Adam Man in Lex Luther.

58:06

And from nineteen fifty

58:08

two to nineteen fifty eight,

58:11

the Adventures of Superman starring

58:14

George Reeves and Phyllis

58:16

Coats, and only in season one as

58:17

Lois, and then they brought no

58:20

noelle Neil from the cereals to be

58:22

Lois. While they must have

58:23

really loved her. Was the TV show of,

58:25

you know, dante dante d.

58:28

Yeah. Any leaps on the trampoline to go out the windows. Mhmm.

58:30

Georgia is one one of a great one

58:32

of the great supermans. And also, we

58:36

could not talk about Superman media this

58:38

without mentioning the nineteen

58:40

forty one to nineteen forty three

58:42

fleisher studios animated

58:44

theatrical cartoons.

58:46

Seventeen shorts of Superman starring Bud they

58:49

drew this on black paper, this

58:51

cartoon, which is why it

58:53

pops. It's beautiful And it's

58:55

the reason why Bruce Tim did

58:58

the same thing for Batman and anime series

59:00

because he wasn't starred by the fleisher and

59:02

anime series. And that is the

59:04

geek history lesson on Superman

59:07

the Golden Age. Wow.

59:09

So that is really cool.

59:11

So there you go. A lot a research

59:13

win event. I was surprised I was able to get through it so Wow. Let's go to

59:15

some recommended reading just to let you

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59:38

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59:40

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59:42

through nineteen. Mhmm. So if you

59:45

want some enjoyable super thrill stories. Let me tell you if even if

59:47

you don't like Golden Age comic books,

59:49

they're worth reading just to see where

59:51

this where Superman's comics

59:54

started. They all come from these

59:56

issues. And I would say that some of the coolest things about

59:58

revisiting them, and it does it takes

1:00:00

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1:00:03

You notice even from the beginning how

1:00:05

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1:00:07

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1:00:10

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1:00:12

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Mhmm. And then there's also a fun one.

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There's Superman, the Golden Age Sundays. It's

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1:02:43

Sunday pages that have never been reprinted

1:02:45

before except for this book, including some

1:02:48

classic comics that began in nineteen

1:02:50

forty three. And they kinda

1:02:52

fill like a major gap

1:02:54

in the Superman

1:02:55

Mythos. So there you go. And now we're

1:02:57

gonna move on to our teaching

1:03:00

tweet. We're in one hundred and forty characters or unless professor

1:03:02

Jason will sum up the incredible

1:03:04

amount of history that he just laid down at our

1:03:05

feet. Yes. Here's

1:03:07

my teaching tweet.

1:03:09

Up on the power lines. It's a strong man who's

1:03:11

gonna punch me in the face and rebuild my

1:03:13

tenant housing, Superman.

1:03:18

Before we wrap

1:03:22

up, I thought we'd have a really quick

1:03:24

discussion. I just wanna hear your

1:03:26

opinions. Ashley, you said that when

1:03:28

we started this podcast that you had

1:03:30

not read any of the golden age

1:03:32

Superman's? True.

1:03:34

What do you think about golden

1:03:36

age Superman. What what are your thoughts? I just gave

1:03:38

you the lesson. What do you think about

1:03:41

this character? And and

1:03:44

Is it surprising that this character became the character that

1:03:47

we know it as today? Or are you surprised as

1:03:49

character a lot? I mean, just what do you think

1:03:51

about Golden Age

1:03:51

Superman, I guess? I'm

1:03:53

sad that Lane was was a bit of a

1:03:56

dick. Yep. That's the thing that I'm

1:03:58

sad by. I'm I'm a

1:04:00

little bit surprised

1:04:02

at how progressive he

1:04:02

was, and we did we did touch on that a couple times. Although,

1:04:04

I think that when you look at the fact that

1:04:06

he was creative eye to young

1:04:09

young hip cat or

1:04:10

immigrants. We lived in New York, you know, which is a

1:04:13

fairly progressive city even even in

1:04:15

the nineteen thirties. I

1:04:17

I find it less surprising, but so there's something's really

1:04:19

cool. Well, like, well done. I don't

1:04:21

think it's surprising, especially when you

1:04:24

consider the

1:04:25

he's the first one. He's There's a

1:04:28

reason that he stands as the

1:04:30

ultimate superhero. It's a reason why you had to

1:04:32

kind of shallize after

1:04:34

that. I don't think there's anything surprising

1:04:36

about why the characters

1:04:38

lasted. And I think that a lot of the

1:04:40

evolution from that point makes a lot of

1:04:41

sense, but at core. Like, he's still

1:04:43

he's still the same he's the same guy.

1:04:46

And he's he's

1:04:47

just less rambunctious. Sure.

1:04:50

But that's the way storytelling is now.

1:04:52

Yeah. But, like, it's still that he he's

1:04:54

that he's an immigrant character.

1:04:56

Who was raised in the heartland and exemplifies what, you know, what America's all

1:04:59

about. He goes to the city. He works.

1:05:01

He puts his head down. He's a superhero

1:05:03

with a heart of gold. He'll

1:05:06

he'll save Lois even though she's mean to

1:05:08

him. You know, like that, all those

1:05:10

basic tenants of him is is still there, like who

1:05:12

he is at his core. Yeah. I think

1:05:14

there's no reason I

1:05:16

mean, if someone told me that like, wow,

1:05:18

babe, I read

1:05:18

like, you know, ten golden age superman stories and I

1:05:20

can't believe that it lasted, I'd be like, really?

1:05:23

Why? Well, I will say

1:05:26

that to me, it was so different than

1:05:28

anything else when it was out there, and that's

1:05:30

why. The reason why

1:05:32

I think a modern person could read the Golden Age Superman and be like,

1:05:34

I don't get how it lasted is because

1:05:36

they've read everything that's come

1:05:38

after. But when you clear

1:05:40

your mind space and you read

1:05:42

that with the idea that there's

1:05:44

nothing else. There's no other

1:05:46

superheroes out there. Then I think you're

1:05:48

just like, what the hell is this? Because I

1:05:50

think I think it's interesting. I think in

1:05:52

those first ten issues of

1:05:54

action comics. You see an element in

1:05:56

Superman that you see in

1:05:58

other characters that just grab your

1:06:00

imagination. I mean, Batman's the same

1:06:02

way. Batman?

1:06:04

I was gonna say Sherlock Holmes. I was gonna say Captain Kirk.

1:06:06

I was gonna say the doctor --

1:06:08

Yeah. -- you see something in that

1:06:10

main character that makes you go I

1:06:14

wanna know more about this guy. Mhmm. This guy is

1:06:16

so fascinating how he does things. I

1:06:18

need to know more about

1:06:19

him. And if you if you do as a

1:06:22

social experiment, if

1:06:24

you wanna kind of what a lot of the other comics were doing at the

1:06:26

time. Go get your hands on. I think it is Pep

1:06:28

number eleven where Archie makes his first

1:06:30

appearance because it's terrible.

1:06:32

What year is that?

1:06:34

I think it's the thirties. I think it is pre superman, but I I don't

1:06:36

have the I don't know. I don't have it looked up right now.

1:06:38

It's

1:06:38

but like because Superman's

1:06:41

June thirty eight. Because young, you know,

1:06:43

young romance comics and westerns were kinda and war comics were kinda the the orders

1:06:45

of the day. Exactly. And and this would have

1:06:47

been so fresh

1:06:50

and so citing and so

1:06:52

innovative even though, like, when you read them

1:06:54

and when you read the Batman stuff too, it

1:06:56

feels very rushed because now we spend all

1:06:58

these time on these origin

1:07:00

stories. It's not just a paragraph and then boom you're in these

1:07:01

adventures. Yep. But it would have been like

1:07:03

when Star Wars hit for the first time. It it was

1:07:05

such a shift in the

1:07:08

zeitgeist. Yep. Yeah, man. Superman is

1:07:09

cool. Cool. There you

1:07:09

go. That's it for the Golden Age Superman. Sometime

1:07:12

in the future, we will cover

1:07:14

Superman a Silver Age, which will

1:07:16

take Superman

1:07:17

from the nineteen fifties all the way into the

1:07:20

eighties. These. Yeah.

1:07:20

Yeah. So that'll be an interesting time. And we'll

1:07:22

get to talking about all these weird, like, Lois

1:07:25

has been turned into a grasshopper.

1:07:28

Yeah. We're

1:07:30

real, though. Up

1:07:35

in this guy, it's a bird. It's a plane.

1:07:37

No. It's Superman in the

1:07:40

silver age. You'll geek history lesson on

1:07:42

Superman Superman's silver age is now

1:07:44

in Sasha.

1:07:45

Hello, and welcome to Geek

1:07:47

History lesson. I am Jason

1:07:50

Kent Inman. I'm Ashley Victoria

1:07:52

Robinson. Welcome to your

1:07:54

Mind universe because you have stumbled onto the podcast where we take one

1:07:56

character construct or super human

1:07:58

or popular culture and teach you everything you

1:08:00

need

1:08:01

to know about in about an hour. But this

1:08:03

month, Jason, there's a pretty episode. In

1:08:05

this episode, there's a pretty special thing going

1:08:07

on. Isn't there?

1:08:11

That's the Mike's flasher Superman

1:08:14

theme song, if you don't

1:08:19

know. Yes. Superman is leading action comics

1:08:21

as he's all known. He's done it

1:08:23

for eighty years. And action

1:08:25

comics is going to cross a threshold

1:08:27

that no other comic book in history

1:08:30

has ever done a

1:08:32

thousand issues. Action

1:08:34

comics are so old guys. Yep. So

1:08:36

in order of that, we did an

1:08:38

episode a long time ago called

1:08:42

in the golden age. And we did that because Superman's history is so It's so varied

1:08:45

that it seemed

1:08:48

a shame to

1:08:50

put Superman into only one episode.

1:08:53

So the bigger characters mainly

1:08:55

the Trinity, we have broken

1:08:57

up into the Golden Age, the Silver Age. We don't have a Silver Age Babbit. We don't

1:08:59

have a Silver Age one room, and you can

1:09:01

request those at giggas

1:09:04

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or basement dot com slash geeky

1:09:07

gets your lesson. Or onto the red GHL

1:09:09

podcast. Yep. So but this is the second installment in the

1:09:12

giant history. That

1:09:15

is. Oh, Superman. And I thought, you know, in

1:09:17

honor of Superman's eightieth anniversary,

1:09:19

there was

1:09:21

no better time to do this episode. The

1:09:23

amount of time

1:09:23

we circle back to Yes. And a lot of

1:09:25

people have requested or or asked for nobody requested

1:09:28

actually I looked. But you

1:09:30

know, a lot of people were like, oh, man, we want

1:09:32

this one. We want this one. So that's the reason why we decided to do it.

1:09:34

This is going to be the silver age. It's gonna be a little bit

1:09:36

different. Than

1:09:38

a normal episode. There will be no Tencent

1:09:40

origin. Go back and listen to the

1:09:41

Golden Age. Yeah. Go back and

1:09:42

listen to the Golden Age one. There

1:09:44

will be no meat cute. Back, it was the

1:09:47

golden You can find that on iTunes or whoever you wanna listen to. But buckle up. This is going to

1:09:49

be a longer

1:09:52

than normal

1:09:54

episode. Norbank for

1:09:55

your book. Yeah. That's right. Now, first off,

1:09:57

before we get into this, I

1:09:59

wanna remind you of

1:10:01

the comic book ages. Oh, okay.

1:10:03

Okay. So the Golden Age, which

1:10:05

we've already covered for was

1:10:07

from nineteen thirty eight

1:10:09

to nineteen fifty six Ashley, I wanna ask you, do you

1:10:12

remember? What is the event that

1:10:14

ends the Golden Age and begins

1:10:18

the Silver Age? Barry Allen? You are correct. It is

1:10:20

the first appearance of flash Barry

1:10:22

Allen in Showcase number four of

1:10:26

October of nineteen fifty six. These sometimes I can remember stuff?

1:10:28

Yes. Now, the silver

1:10:30

age goes from nineteen fifty

1:10:32

six to, Ashley, do you

1:10:35

have a guess? Now, your answer

1:10:37

might be different on this because we are going to get into some

1:10:39

uncharted geek history lesson territory

1:10:43

here. Oh, there a little bit of

1:10:45

an argument about how many

1:10:48

ages

1:10:49

there are of comic books.

1:10:51

Oh,

1:10:51

I have feelings about this. And where they start and

1:10:53

stop? Now, I have made a

1:10:55

determination. Great. This is the geeky show us in

1:10:57

determination. Whether you agree with me or not disagree

1:11:00

with

1:11:00

me, I don't care. This

1:11:02

is where -- It's fine.

1:11:03

-- this is where my scholarly pursuits have led me for Superman. Ashley, where do you think they're so outrageous? Right. And also say

1:11:06

if you listen to other

1:11:08

Golden Age episodes, we do a little bit of

1:11:10

arbitrary time lines based on those specific characters as

1:11:15

well. I am I'm gonna

1:11:17

say that I think the

1:11:19

silver age ends

1:11:23

in nineteen seventy

1:11:28

eight. Now, some

1:11:30

people will agree with

1:11:32

you. Some people won't agree with

1:11:34

you. I don't agree with you. I So according to y seventy eight,

1:11:36

I because you're

1:11:38

in the movie. It has

1:11:41

I think it has something to do with

1:11:43

the Justice Society. Well, the DC implosion, which was around

1:11:46

that

1:11:47

out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I know

1:11:49

it has to do with Earth too, but I can't remember the specific event. Now

1:11:51

in my research,

1:11:52

neither one of

1:11:55

those came up. Okay. I

1:11:57

have determined by my research

1:11:59

that the silver age ends, in my view, in

1:12:04

nineteen seventy. Really? Yes. Now

1:12:06

the reason Well, because that is when the bronze age starts

1:12:11

of comic book the bronze age of Comme. And

1:12:13

now the

1:12:14

bronze age of Call the bronze age starts that early? Yes. And let me

1:12:15

explain why. I'm trying to teach you this is

1:12:19

what this podcast So the bronze age is thing that I was talking about.

1:12:21

The bronze age is the part of comic book age

1:12:23

histories that some people

1:12:26

are like, that doesn't exist. Yeah. There

1:12:27

is one definite date that

1:12:30

everybody does agree. Nineteen

1:12:32

eighty five crisis on

1:12:34

infinite earth is the beginning of the modern age.

1:12:36

Church comics. Yeah.

1:12:37

Yes. The bronze age is where

1:12:39

people disagree. And my

1:12:42

research, there is no single

1:12:44

event or comic book that really kicks off the

1:12:47

bronze age and ends the silver

1:12:49

age. Not not

1:12:50

in the same weigh However, I picked

1:12:53

a comic book because I think

1:12:55

this is the beginning

1:12:58

of

1:12:58

it. The whole The

1:12:59

reason I have a guess The reason for the bronze

1:13:01

age is because the tone of

1:13:03

comics in the

1:13:05

seventies shifted -- Mhmm. -- to being more

1:13:08

socially aware -- Mhmm. -- to being more

1:13:10

political -- Mhmm. -- to not just being

1:13:12

hokey. Hey, there's an alien.

1:13:14

Let's punch him. Mhmm. So I'm calling the beginning of

1:13:16

bronze age for this issue

1:13:18

-- Mhmm. -- as April

1:13:22

nineteen seventy, with the issue of green

1:13:23

lantern, where green arrow was added

1:13:26

as the title character. So you

1:13:29

start with hard traveling heroes. A little

1:13:31

bit before hard travelers, but where the series by

1:13:33

Denny O'Neil and Neil Adams focused

1:13:35

on poverty --

1:13:36

Mhmm. -- and and and speedy became

1:13:38

a drug addict. Submit more of that

1:13:40

error. Sure. Yeah.

1:13:41

So, like, that's to me is the start of the bronzer. It's interesting. I've

1:13:43

heard that argument before. I don't necessarily

1:13:47

disagree with it. I find that the argument

1:13:49

for when the bronze age begins -- Mhmm. -- is

1:13:51

either a Greenland or

1:13:54

a green arrow or it's a

1:13:56

new teen titans is often a big demarcation as well.

1:13:58

So, like, through new teen titans not start till nineteen eighty

1:14:00

though? It doesn't start

1:14:02

until nineteen

1:14:03

eighty, but for of people, the bronze age

1:14:06

is only eighty to eighty five. Yeah. I guess so. I don't know. I once

1:14:11

I read the argument about the Greenland and Green Arrow

1:14:12

series, I kinda had to agree because it does

1:14:14

not have a silver a g tone. That's

1:14:18

fair.

1:14:18

That's

1:14:19

fair. Alright. So there you go. Let's go back into Superman and the

1:14:21

Silver Age. Now this lesson Superman's said

1:14:23

is gonna be a little bit different. We're

1:14:25

gonna go into fictional character history. Mhmm.

1:14:27

We're gonna go to publication

1:14:30

history --

1:14:30

Mhmm. -- and a bunch of stuff like

1:14:32

that. Okay. So back to

1:14:33

Superman, before

1:14:34

we can go any further in talking about the comic

1:14:36

book Superman, We

1:14:38

have to talk about a real world event

1:14:40

that rocked Superman to his

1:14:43

core. Holy smokes. On

1:14:45

June sixteenth of

1:14:47

nineteen eight, George Reeves, Superman, the star of

1:14:49

Superman's was found dead from a

1:14:52

gunshot wound. Now,

1:14:55

this is not a comic book event, but there is no way

1:14:57

you could talk about Superman and the Silver Especially

1:14:59

Silver Age starting in

1:15:01

fifty eight. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Without talking or fifty four excuse

1:15:04

me. Fifty six. Excuse me. Sorry. We

1:15:06

had to talk about George Reeves. Okay.

1:15:09

So it was an open shut

1:15:11

case of suicide, said the LA police, but many friends of George Reeves, friends

1:15:16

called it a murder and there was

1:15:18

no shortage of suspects or motives. And this event not only rocked Superman

1:15:21

fans to his core because I

1:15:23

don't know if you know George

1:15:26

Reeves had Bethel Mania levels of fans when he went out in public. Hey,

1:15:28

really? He did.

1:15:31

He got hounded and

1:15:34

he got harassed because everybody saw

1:15:37

him as Superman. The Adventures of

1:15:39

Superman was an insanely popular

1:15:41

show. It was so popular. It was so

1:15:44

popular that George Reeves could get hired

1:15:46

for no other gigs because everybody saw

1:15:48

him

1:15:48

Superman's. And he actually died in

1:15:51

poverty. I yeah.

1:15:51

I knew them. So George

1:15:52

Reeves death leads to something

1:15:55

called the Superman curse.

1:15:59

Okay. Ashley, do you know what this is? No. To be fair, everything I

1:16:01

know about Georgia Reeves could fit in a thin blanket.

1:16:03

Well, this has more to

1:16:04

do

1:16:04

than not Georgia Reeves. So Well, I don't I don't know

1:16:06

what no.

1:16:07

I don't know anything about this. Soon.

1:16:09

This I don't really believe in

1:16:11

this curse. Okay. But I thought it was interesting to mention. Sure. This refers to a

1:16:14

series of supposedly related

1:16:16

misfortunes that

1:16:18

have plagued creative people involved in

1:16:21

many adaptations of Superman.

1:16:23

Mhmm. Another reasoning of the

1:16:25

Superman curse is, of course,

1:16:28

Christopher Reeves. Sure. Who played Superman in

1:16:30

fourth theatrical films, who was paralyzed in a nineteen ninety five horseback riding accident

1:16:32

-- Mhmm. -- and

1:16:34

then died nine years later.

1:16:37

Another person that has supposedly connected these series of

1:16:39

misfortunes of Superman is Bud Koyer or Koyer, excuse me. He voiced

1:16:41

the first Superman cartoon from nineteen

1:16:43

forty one to nineteen

1:16:47

forty three. He later voiced Superman again in

1:16:49

nineteen sixty six. Three years after

1:16:51

that nineteen sixty six voicing,

1:16:53

he was found dead of

1:16:56

a ailment a heart ailment

1:16:58

in the age of sixty one. Wow. Now, there is a listing

1:17:00

of how they tie the blame

1:17:02

murder kit or going crazy on this.

1:17:06

All basically, if you're tied

1:17:08

to a Superman thing and anything bad went written wrong

1:17:10

in your life, they say, this is a Superman

1:17:13

curse. So Like some poltergeist level nonsense. Well, there's a full

1:17:15

list of them online. And just because I I'm not

1:17:15

gonna mention all of them, but I

1:17:18

thought because there were so many. Does Richard

1:17:20

Briar

1:17:22

call into that?

1:17:23

I don't know. I feel we had to talk about it.

1:17:25

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Alright. Let's get back to the let's get

1:17:27

to the topic, the comics. Yeah.

1:17:29

Let's let's go to the comics. Comics. The

1:17:31

topics. Going to the comics. Tonics. Yes. I'm

1:17:33

gonna call them Thomas,

1:17:33

silly books, funny books. So the one thing about the Silver Age -- Mhmm. -- in the comics of

1:17:36

Superman and Silver Age

1:17:38

is in the late nineteen

1:17:40

fifties, This is where the version

1:17:42

of Superman that we know of as Superman takes shape finally.

1:17:44

Superman's, how would

1:17:46

you describe Golden Age

1:17:48

Superman? I

1:17:50

think the big blue boy scout is

1:17:52

a pretty apt description of silver aged Superman. Well,

1:17:54

yeah. Yes. That's that's where we'll get to

1:17:56

that. How how do you feel? Let's talk about

1:17:58

the differences. How do you feel Golden Age

1:18:01

Superman is?

1:18:01

Oh, Golden Age Superman

1:18:04

is rougher around the edges. Yeah.

1:18:06

He's a lot angrier -- Mhmm. -- and more

1:18:08

powerful, I think. He's very direct.

1:18:10

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I

1:18:12

think is a reflection of the

1:18:14

time. Would you call

1:18:15

him a boy scout? No. Yeah. Because a

1:18:17

boy scout has this sort of, like, tweet connotation to

1:18:19

it and a softer

1:18:23

side that I don't think we get to chivel celebration of the silver age also has

1:18:25

a softening of a lot of characters around this

1:18:27

time. Batman and

1:18:30

Robin have like a very emotional

1:18:32

relationship throughout the silver. Like Dick

1:18:34

is constantly crying -- Mhmm. --

1:18:36

throughout the silver page. And maybe

1:18:38

maybe that's hippies. I don't know. But, yeah, I think I also think a reason why the

1:18:44

Silverado Superman's or a lot

1:18:46

of what we love is defined by that is because that's what so strongly inspired the seventy

1:18:51

eight movie, which for many people remains

1:18:54

the defining suit. The defining suit, man. Yes. So when editorial duties at DC

1:18:56

comics were redistributed,

1:18:59

more at Weisinger got

1:19:02

soul control over Superman. Okay. This resulted in him developing the Superman

1:19:04

Legend. Basically everything

1:19:07

we know about Superman

1:19:12

because he was

1:19:14

so set on developing

1:19:16

continuity in Superman.

1:19:18

And this is actually Corey, that's his name. Moore Wise in Jordan. You are ahead of your time, baby. He

1:19:23

is actually credited with

1:19:26

the first series attempt at developing continuity in comics history. Wow.

1:19:28

Now even though some of

1:19:30

a

1:19:30

lot of the issues have you

1:19:34

know, one off adventures and stuff like

1:19:35

that. They always refer to past

1:19:38

adventures now. Oh, that's cool. So

1:19:40

an instrumental force also behind

1:19:42

the Superman being developed in overage was

1:19:44

Jerry Siegel. Who's that? Hey, one of the creators

1:19:46

of Superman. He actually returned to DC in

1:19:49

nineteen fifty nine to write the

1:19:51

Adventures of Superman once again.

1:19:54

I didn't

1:19:54

know that.

1:19:55

That's awesome. And Wiseinger and Segal together

1:19:57

with science fiction greats like Edmund Hamilton

1:19:59

-- Mhmm. -- who wrote the great

1:20:02

action comics to a three hundred I

1:20:03

believe, in who's responsible for a lot of legion of superhero

1:20:06

stuff. You've mentioned him in a number of key

1:20:08

customer

1:20:08

relations. All set out to

1:20:11

their goal was to

1:20:13

define the personalities of the characters in Superman and all the Superman mythos. So

1:20:15

they wanted each character

1:20:19

to be distinct and to

1:20:22

have an understandable personality. Interesting. So because of this, this is the reason why at

1:20:24

this time in Superman's history,

1:20:26

we start seeing more of his

1:20:30

childhood adventures. Us. And more

1:20:33

reaper boy and more rewritings of

1:20:35

his origin, including the

1:20:38

audition of Lex Luther to his

1:20:40

origin. Mhmm. So in the

1:20:42

comic books, the public notification

1:20:45

of smallville being

1:20:48

Superboy's home brings the young lex smoother

1:20:50

into Superboy's life. And this actually results in their lifelong hatred of each

1:20:53

other. Mhmm. This

1:20:56

is a story where Luther receives

1:20:58

his first name. Before this, he was only known as

1:21:00

Luther. Now,

1:21:03

Lex's Luther had a massive talent for

1:21:05

scientific inventiveness, which has has

1:21:07

certain itself, of course,

1:21:09

in Lex's earliest days. He became highly interested

1:21:11

in the public exploits of Superboy because

1:21:13

he became obsessed with him and

1:21:16

he forced his

1:21:18

parents to move to smallville so that he could be closer

1:21:20

to Superboy. That's so funny because Lex

1:21:22

was like, I'm gonna be his sidekick.

1:21:25

Lex will let Yep. Alex focused

1:21:28

all of his scientific skills on finding

1:21:30

some way to help out Superboy.

1:21:33

And he eventually discovered Superboy's

1:21:35

weakness to kryptonite. Mhmm. And he decided to make a cure

1:21:37

to the meteorites effects on Super

1:21:39

Boy. Oh. So

1:21:42

Lex began an experiment very exotic materials, which were dangerous

1:21:44

and explosive. How do you get the --

1:21:45

Yes. -- in the silver

1:21:46

age? There I know you okay. This

1:21:49

is back in the nineteen fifties. There's no safety regulations anyway.

1:21:51

I guess you started working when you're,

1:21:53

like, twelve. This kid could have walked into a

1:21:55

nuclear missile silo and everybody was, like,

1:21:57

look at that boy. Good

1:21:59

lad. So the everywhere. Sure. So

1:22:01

the chemicals, of course, reacted badly and exploded in Lex's lab

1:22:04

filling the room

1:22:06

with various poisonous gases.

1:22:08

So Superboy reacted to

1:22:10

the explosion. He arrived to find Lex, you know, close to death, but was unable to enter the room

1:22:13

because of the

1:22:16

kryptonite. So Stu's

1:22:18

Superboy stood outside of the room

1:22:20

and blew the Kryptonite and gases out of

1:22:22

the room saving Lex's life. But the exhaust

1:22:25

from when blew the chemicals

1:22:27

of Lex's

1:22:29

uncovered head.

1:22:32

Oh, no. There's a

1:22:34

very funny cover of this. Lex was shocked to find his perfect I l do such a blunder a save. He

1:22:39

was mad. And Lex was inconsolable upon his

1:22:42

disfigurement. That's what he called his hair losing his hair. Which he thought A little smells

1:22:44

dramatic. Yep. He thought it

1:22:46

was deliberate. He's a teenager. Of

1:22:50

course, he thought it was delivered. So

1:22:52

he took the partially completed Kryptonite cure and

1:22:54

destroyed it in front of Super White, pledging

1:22:56

their and then that he

1:22:58

would dedicate his life to proving that he was superior to Superboy. What a dick? Yep.

1:23:00

Now, actually, I wanna ask you

1:23:02

a question. Mhmm. Do you like

1:23:06

or dislike Lex throughout their being

1:23:08

a part of Super Boy's

1:23:10

origins. I don't need Lex and

1:23:15

Super Boy. To have existed in the same time. I think

1:23:17

it's dramatically more interesting if

1:23:19

this adult

1:23:22

man becomes fixated on Superman. So so

1:23:24

wait on

1:23:25

Lex until Superman comes to meetropolis. I

1:23:27

agree. Yeah.

1:23:27

That's my preference. I

1:23:30

know you like their early relationship. Well,

1:23:32

I Or a version of it. I was against it -- Mhmm.

1:23:35

-- until the TV series Smallville. Yeah. And then Smallville,

1:23:38

I thought, did it so well that I was like, you know what? I'm

1:23:40

fine with this. Okay. I'm fine with it now. Look at

1:23:42

you admitting that you can change your mind.

1:23:45

I know. Right? Oh my Comic fans can change their

1:23:48

opinion. Micah. So on a

1:23:50

more positive and nonluther note,

1:23:52

Superway in the comic soon became

1:23:54

a member of the legion of superheroes. Hey,

1:23:57

those guys. Existing in the far

1:23:59

future of the thirtieth century, the legion

1:24:01

of superheroes was a teenage troop of

1:24:03

superheroes and they came from different planets

1:24:05

and inherited super powers. The or organization

1:24:07

easily inducted Superboy as a member and

1:24:09

he would've go on to become one of their

1:24:12

most distinguished members and members.

1:24:14

Nice. During Clark's teenage years on

1:24:16

Earth, the kents also sold their

1:24:18

farm and became shopkeepers in smallville for a

1:24:20

time. Really? Yeah. This actually

1:24:21

happened. And they settled into a more

1:24:23

modern lifestyle supporting Clark's day

1:24:26

to day life as well

1:24:28

as superhero activities because he's super white.

1:24:30

But they grew elderly and eventually died of tropical fever when they were on

1:24:32

a cruise. I am

1:24:34

not

1:24:35

joking. That is the silver

1:24:37

age death of the kense. They go on a cruise

1:24:39

and they die. Well, Tim Drake's mom goes on a cruise and gets

1:24:42

kidnapped and murdered. Is

1:24:44

that I guess it's viable. Now

1:24:46

before dying, Jonathan Ken reminded Clark to continue doing good deeds into the not lose sight of

1:24:51

who he was.

1:24:52

For the first time in action comics two sixty two because

1:24:54

we're gonna continue this trend of in new concepts that we

1:24:56

know about being introduced in

1:24:59

the silver age. Well, In

1:25:01

March of nineteen sixty, the notion that Superman's power is derived from

1:25:03

the yellow sun, radiation appears

1:25:07

for the very first time.

1:25:09

Whoa. Twenty years after his over twenty years

1:25:12

after his first

1:25:15

appearance. That's why In Superman one forty six in

1:25:17

July of nineteen sixty one, the explanation is

1:25:20

amplified. It says that Superman's muscular

1:25:22

powers, his super strength, his speed, and

1:25:24

his light

1:25:26

are attributed to gravity, and the

1:25:28

powers of his senses x-ray vision, telescope

1:25:30

vision are attributed to the yellow sun.

1:25:32

And vulnerability is sort of compared to

1:25:35

a super suntan. Later this was

1:25:37

all altered to make a portion

1:25:39

of his flying ability a

1:25:41

also from the yellow sun.

1:25:44

That's so I did squeeze. Now, the new

1:25:46

explanation also provided an unexpected bonus of a new

1:25:50

weakness for superman by making stories where he no

1:25:53

longer had super powers on a world

1:25:55

without a yellow

1:25:55

sun. Cool.

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series adventures concerning cowell's life on Krypton established for the

1:26:32

first time that Clark

1:26:34

was at least three years

1:26:37

old and fluent in Krypta knees. Mhmm. What's Krypta knees, Ashley? The language worked

1:26:39

on? Yep. Before the

1:26:42

explosion of his planet, No

1:26:47

more would he spend the first decades of his life wondering what

1:26:49

he was and why he was so

1:26:51

different? He would always

1:26:54

remember Krypton from this point forward. don't like about

1:26:56

that. I also know that a

1:26:58

very early version of Crypto followed

1:27:03

cow to earth because he was his childhood

1:27:05

pet. And, like, they had a bond. We'll

1:27:07

get to crypto. Usually, you'll

1:27:09

even be. You'll leave crypto be. Okay.

1:27:11

Stay boy. Stay. So, yeah, I don't

1:27:13

III like Clark leaving Krypton

1:27:16

without a memory of Krypton because I like

1:27:18

I honestly think that's more tragic. I like

1:27:21

supergirl remembering Krypton and not Clark. But, again, this is the silver

1:27:23

age, and the silver age really expands

1:27:27

Krypton a lot.

1:27:29

Yeah. This is the most we're gonna talk

1:27:31

about it really because I I think other

1:27:33

stuff's more important. Cool. Alright. Now back to

1:27:35

the publishing history. Okay. More at Weisinger's

1:27:37

next move was to introduce a title for our favorite Superman

1:27:39

supporting character, Lois Superman's. And

1:27:43

we talked about about this in the

1:27:45

golden age, but I wanna talk a little bit

1:27:47

more about this. Superman's Lois Lane, Superman's girlfriend Superman's girlfriend, Lois

1:27:50

Lane, excuse me, debuted

1:27:52

its first issue in March of

1:27:54

nineteen fifty eight in the first story. I'm a tell you about this. Okay. Loews

1:27:59

becomes the witch of Love it. So she goes to a museum

1:28:01

opening. Hey, she's a witch. And Elana was also

1:28:03

a witch. Yeah. And there she accidentally

1:28:05

breaks a

1:28:06

mirror at this exhibit about this

1:28:08

crazy lady that people thought could be

1:28:10

a witch. Mhmm. She returns home to tie up her story and finds herself transformed into a

1:28:14

green and grotesque witch.

1:28:17

Great. She runs out onto the street thinking about going back

1:28:19

to the museum to cure her form, but she sees Superman is ugly form and pretends

1:28:21

to not know

1:28:23

who he is. As

1:28:25

she wanders back to the museum, she sees a robbery, and as they begin to shoot her, she

1:28:27

assumes that if she is

1:28:31

now a witch, then surely she

1:28:33

can cast a spell. And she says Yes. Lois live your best life. And

1:28:35

she says,

1:28:37

hicks, hocks, hacks,

1:28:40

bullets aside.

1:28:42

And the bullets

1:28:43

don't hit her? Yes,

1:28:44

Lois. She returns home. I want that

1:28:46

I didn't see a shirt in

1:28:49

house. She returns home. And the sun rises --

1:28:51

Mhmm. -- and her face returns to normal. Mhmm.

1:28:53

But the next night, she turns into a

1:28:55

witch again, and she decides to do what

1:28:57

any human being would do when they turn

1:28:59

into a witch. Hexa brooms, thick,

1:29:01

and ride it. Exactly. She has great taste. Yep. Eventually

1:29:04

Lois, though, in

1:29:06

her evil witchy

1:29:08

mind, Decides to betray

1:29:10

Superman -- No. -- and reveal his secret identity. But at the

1:29:11

last second, her

1:29:15

conscience takes over. And

1:29:17

Superman comes to her later. She's crying her eyes out and actually reveals that sup she

1:29:20

wasn't cursed

1:29:24

ever She'd actually been doused with

1:29:26

an old age gas, what, yep, from a science visit that she had after the

1:29:28

museum, and she had to believe

1:29:31

that she was a witch or

1:29:34

else she would have gone crazy. So

1:29:36

Superman faked all her powers

1:29:39

over the last couple of days to

1:29:41

make sure that she wouldn't go crazy until

1:29:43

the old age or war off.

1:29:45

I mean, that's basically it

1:29:47

was all

1:29:47

a dream. Yep. Get ready because this is

1:29:50

starting to lead off

1:29:52

into what most people define this

1:29:54

over age as. Now real quickly before we move on from Lois Lane. At the peak of its popularity

1:29:57

in nineteen sixty

1:30:00

two, Superman's friend Lois Lane was

1:30:02

the third best selling comic book in the United States. Holy smoke. This lasted

1:30:07

for six teen years. have some of my all

1:30:09

time

1:30:09

favorite comic book covers. And and to

1:30:12

me as well leads

1:30:14

to that it is insane that Lois

1:30:16

Lane doesn't have a book in current DC universe

1:30:18

continuity at the time of this recording? Correct. So now as

1:30:20

I said, this period of streaming can

1:30:23

also be known as quite billy

1:30:26

because it's silver age, and this

1:30:28

is where we're gonna get into it. Stories

1:30:30

were mostly

1:30:31

dreams, weirdo stuff. And one of DC's crazier

1:30:33

policies for Chromebooks at this time was

1:30:35

to high to draw crazy cover. Hoping we're gonna bring that

1:30:37

up

1:30:37

and then force

1:30:38

the writers to write a plot to match that

1:30:40

cover. Yeah. So you'd be like,

1:30:42

why

1:30:43

are they on an elephant? But who

1:30:45

knows? Yep. So this led to some of the sillier and crazier Superman

1:30:47

Adventure that you will ever hear about, and I

1:30:49

have a small sampling.

1:30:52

Oh, I'm my body

1:30:54

is so rad. Okay. Here we go.

1:30:56

Yeah. Let's start off with action comics number two forty three.

1:30:58

This covery has Superman with a lion head. Superman's.

1:31:03

It's probably the defining image of the silver

1:31:05

age. It is a story in which a

1:31:07

descendant of the mythological being

1:31:10

called Sir see, gives Superman mineral

1:31:12

water that turns him into a

1:31:14

lion man because he won't marry

1:31:16

her. Mineral water.

1:31:18

He flies around hiding

1:31:20

his lion face. Even though, you know, this is the

1:31:22

DC universe and weird stuff happens every day, people couldn't handle Superman as

1:31:24

a lion. Yeah. Superman eventually

1:31:26

heads back to the fortress attitude,

1:31:29

checks the library, finds a book that explains them how to create an

1:31:31

antidote specifically for lion heads. Oh, that's

1:31:34

lucky. And it works. Because

1:31:37

Superman has a vast and extensive library of books about curing life. It

1:31:39

has lots of fear I

1:31:39

have. That's actually comics two

1:31:41

forty three. My face being dirty

1:31:43

to a lion. Actually,

1:31:46

have you ever heard about the of

1:31:49

the

1:31:49

sea? No. I know he dated

1:31:51

a mermaid. Well, this has nothing to

1:31:53

do with that. Action comics number two forty

1:31:55

four in September of nineteen fifty eight. While

1:31:58

fight fight and this is

1:32:00

Superman's, cover is him sitting on a

1:32:02

crown or or excuse me, sitting on a throne and he has a weird seashell crown across his head. And he's like the real firme

1:32:04

too? No. He's just like

1:32:06

the ruler of us here. So

1:32:10

this story is while flying across the Atlantic,

1:32:12

Superman spots a rocket ship that

1:32:14

slams into the ocean. Investigating

1:32:17

he finds two mer

1:32:19

people trapped inside. Sure. Superman tears the metal

1:32:21

door

1:32:21

off, allowing the man and the woman to swim free. The man introduces

1:32:23

himself as Volkor, and his

1:32:26

companion is his

1:32:28

daughter, Absolutely. Why? Lila?

1:32:30

I think it's Lila. As the two alien mermaids cannot breathe normal air, Superman

1:32:36

decides to exile himself to the undersea

1:32:38

to help him acclimate permanently. He just wants to enter into a polyamorous

1:32:44

polyamorous Yeah. He uses nameplates from sunken vessels to

1:32:46

create a floaty message to explain his absence from the world.

1:32:48

And they

1:32:51

What? Yep. And And

1:32:52

a passing mariner finds the signs and alerts the

1:32:54

world that Superman is now living under the sea.

1:32:58

That's stupid other than the lion head. Oh, we're not done yet. News of

1:33:01

Superman's exile reaches the United Nations

1:33:03

and the assembly decided that

1:33:05

it's necessary to bring

1:33:07

Superman back by force. Yeah.

1:33:09

Because this this is Christ. Yeah. They order a c

1:33:12

dragnet and a

1:33:14

submarine arm with crypto night

1:33:17

tip torpedoes forces Superman to react. Eventually, he finds out that Volkor

1:33:19

and his daughter are bad, so Superman

1:33:21

then poisons the sea

1:33:24

with over

1:33:25

saltine because the aliens can't stand that. Look in the fish or the mammals

1:33:27

-- Yep. -- and it tricks the aliens into leaving.

1:33:30

Because if there's one thing

1:33:34

Silver Age Superman is is about. It's

1:33:36

about tricking people constantly. Great.

1:33:38

Because here's the thing. Superman's

1:33:41

over aged Superman knew

1:33:44

two things. He knew how to solve problems

1:33:46

either by trishattering levels of wine and

1:33:47

deceit, and by punching

1:33:49

people and animals right in

1:33:51

their stupid faces. Great.

1:33:54

Yep. And this begins the

1:33:56

aspect of another aspect of Superman

1:33:58

from this silver age. That's Superman

1:34:01

being a super dick. Oh. And there's It's

1:34:03

not even a super dick until the ninth. And there's a

1:34:05

whole website dedicated. So I think it's called super

1:34:07

dickory dot

1:34:07

com. Oh,

1:34:08

it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:34:09

About, like, a little bit crazy covers and

1:34:12

stuff like that or whatever. Here's another version.

1:34:13

We'll share some on the Facebook page. Oh, sure. Superboy number twenty

1:34:15

four is a cover where Superman's

1:34:19

fat and Oh, I've seen that. And Lana Legg makes

1:34:21

fun of him. Yep. It's great. In this

1:34:23

issue, Superboy who's only been

1:34:25

away for two weeks. Mhmm. Returns to Smallville only

1:34:27

to discover something shocking. All the

1:34:30

students at Smallville High have

1:34:32

become super fat for

1:34:34

no

1:34:34

reason, including Clark sweetheart, lot of laying. Root. And if you wanna listen to

1:34:36

our lot of laying, you guys should listen. No. We you know,

1:34:38

it's last week. Yeah. I feel like you got lot of

1:34:41

Of course, two weeks ago. Sorry, Matt. I

1:34:43

don't know math. Yep. The next day,

1:34:46

swells up like a balloon, causing Lonita to get suspicious because if Clark is fat

1:34:49

and Super Boy

1:34:52

is fat, then Clark must

1:34:54

be Superboy. Yep. That's pretty much the longest hold deal. Now Superboy

1:34:56

eventually discovers that the entire town

1:34:58

has been drinking milk tainted with growth

1:35:02

formula, and thanks to some stupid cows

1:35:04

who ate tainted crops. Tell me

1:35:06

how

1:35:06

you feel that this cat

1:35:09

is, Jason. Stupid calories. Now

1:35:12

Superboy eventually fixes his secret identity problem

1:35:14

with tricking Lana into doubting that

1:35:16

he and Clark are the same

1:35:19

person. They probably just put some protein

1:35:22

powder in their milk. And another issue

1:35:24

from this time, giant gorilla

1:35:26

with Kryptonite eyes is attacking Superman, and it looks like the laser

1:35:29

beams are shooting Superman right in

1:35:31

the butt. Great. This giant eight

1:35:33

is Taicento, the giant eight

1:35:35

monster who shoots ripped tonight

1:35:37

lasers from his eyes. Great. Now, Taytino is a evil he he's

1:35:39

actually, he's not an evil super intelligent

1:35:42

a like groth. Like, really

1:35:43

groth. This explain

1:35:46

that nor is he an ape with an evil

1:35:48

man's brain like the ultra human

1:35:50

eye. Also, disappointing. Nope.

1:35:51

He's a normal ape

1:35:54

who in his

1:35:55

debut was dubbed one

1:35:56

of the world's most intelligent apes when he

1:35:58

was shot into space and driven that by

1:36:02

space radiation. Great. And Mergent has

1:36:04

a quorum. Titano actually shows

1:36:06

up several times in the

1:36:09

silver age. And he becomes a classic silver a g

1:36:12

villain of Superman. Every

1:36:14

time Superman decides that the

1:36:16

best way to deal with this

1:36:18

giant a space mad creature is to do what, Ashley.

1:36:20

How how do you think Superman? How

1:36:22

do you him at it? Punch him

1:36:25

in his stupid

1:36:25

face. Yeah. Punch him right in his stupid face and

1:36:27

it works every time. Hey, DC Comics.

1:36:30

I know you're listening to this

1:36:32

podcast. I would like to formally

1:36:34

request that you bring a Titanic

1:36:36

back into the current DC Comics brand continuity. Thank

1:36:38

you. He's made actually showed up a couple times post crisis. Look. Great.

1:36:43

Let's go to Superman number one twenty five. Great. On

1:36:45

the cover of this issue,

1:36:48

Superman is blasting

1:36:51

rainbows from his fingertips. This is

1:36:53

the rainbow hand

1:36:55

cover. Here's a fun

1:36:58

fact. Superman

1:36:59

never has rainbow hands inside the

1:37:02

comic. It only happens on the

1:37:04

cover. We

1:37:05

just felt Very day that

1:37:06

day. That's it. That's great. Love it. Superman one twenty five. Here is where

1:37:09

Superman probably gets the

1:37:11

coolest power that he's

1:37:14

ever had? Are you like? No. I'm actually serious. Oh,

1:37:17

yeah. Like the coolest power that I think Superman

1:37:19

can get around. In the story,

1:37:21

Superman gains a

1:37:23

brand new superpower. The ability to shoot

1:37:25

a tiny Superman out of his hand. Dude, that's

1:37:27

dumb. Yes,

1:37:30

you heard me right. There is a tiny super this Tiny

1:37:32

superman. In that, in this superman tan?

1:37:33

Yeah. Sometimes. Where does he live? Like in

1:37:36

his four o? Yeah. I

1:37:38

don't know. And the tiny fortress is all the minuscule is all

1:37:40

due. Inside Superman's So so superman holds

1:37:42

up his hand. A tiny suitman comes

1:37:44

out of his

1:37:46

palm. And this tiny suitman

1:37:48

gets all of Superman's powers, leaving

1:37:50

regular super size Superman to just sort of hang out while tiny Superman saves

1:37:55

people?

1:37:55

Oh, so they can't both have super powers at the same time. So

1:37:57

everyone starts praising tiny Superman for

1:37:59

his heroism. So,

1:38:04

of what if gets jealous. Oh,

1:38:06

silver a superman gets super jealous. Good. And he does the most

1:38:08

silver a g superman

1:38:11

thing that he could ever silver

1:38:13

eighty do. He plots the death

1:38:15

of his tiny duplicate.

1:38:19

I guess I was just really hoping that he said

1:38:19

that, like, he was gonna punch him

1:38:22

and splat him and somethings. Because, you

1:38:25

know, he decides that, of course, was it's only big

1:38:27

enough for one Superman. Regular sized

1:38:29

Superman. Yep. So actually,

1:38:32

normal Superman never gets

1:38:34

the chance to murderize tiny

1:38:36

Superman Tidy Superman actually sacrifices himself to save

1:38:37

Metropolis. And once that happens, normal suit man gets all of his regular

1:38:39

powers back. There's a very funny take on

1:38:42

this story that you could do with one

1:38:44

of Adam characters. I

1:38:46

can't quite figure it out right now, but if someone would like to pay

1:38:47

me, I'd love to write it. Sure. But, you know, someone who has paid us

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Alright. Let's go back to the Superman in this overage. Is he still tiny?

1:40:17

No. We're gonna Alright. Tiny

1:40:18

Superman died.

1:40:18

Let's go out in the publication history here. Okay.

1:40:21

Now more wiser than you remember him.

1:40:23

Yeah. I like this guy. He had

1:40:25

said during his tenure on Superman that he wanted

1:40:27

to introduce a new concept to Superman every six

1:40:32

months. His goal was to make sure that Superman

1:40:34

was more than a fad. Mhmm. And that is why some

1:40:36

people called this period beginning

1:40:38

in nineteen fifty eight, the Renaissance.

1:40:42

Mhmm. Now, actually, one writer gets more of the credit

1:40:44

than any other writer during the

1:40:46

Superman Renaissance

1:40:47

time, and that is Superman's

1:40:51

binder. Yeah. And you

1:40:51

have heard of

1:40:52

auto binder. Correct, Ashley? Oh, yeah. Now

1:40:54

auto binder,

1:40:55

if you don't know who

1:40:57

he is, he created crypto, the super dog? Yes,

1:41:00

crypto. The phantom

1:41:01

zone. Lucy Lane. Yeah.

1:41:04

Who's that, Ashley?

1:41:05

No. Lana Lang. That's

1:41:08

Lois Lane's little sister who you may

1:41:10

have seen on superhero.

1:41:11

You created Beppo the Super Monkey.

1:41:13

Jason's favorite. He introduced Jimmy Olsen's

1:41:16

signal watch. Nice. And he introduced

1:41:18

the most important character of all

1:41:20

to Tano the super

1:41:21

eight. Oh, auto. Buddy. Yep. Why are you gonna

1:41:23

do that eighth Sith? Also, the

1:41:26

silver age would introduce

1:41:29

the fortress of solitude, which

1:41:31

debuted in nineteen fifty eight and was

1:41:33

also a lit of course located in the

1:41:35

Arctic. It was on the side of

1:41:37

a steep cliff and the fortress was

1:41:39

accessible through only a large gold colored door with a giant keyhole,

1:41:41

which required an enormous key to open

1:41:44

it. Do you like the

1:41:46

big

1:41:46

key? No. Not

1:41:47

really. Okay. It's been revisited a couple times, so

1:41:50

I was just interested if you maybe liked other versions of it. No. I like

1:41:52

actually the All

1:41:55

Star version of it's just a

1:41:57

tiny normal key because it's made of like It's very heavy. Because it's like

1:41:59

of dark matter. Yeah. I only see your man can lift it. Cool. Because there

1:42:01

have been several jokes

1:42:03

in modern story everybody is like,

1:42:05

oh, superman. You put your key outside your door. Of course, we're gonna go inside. Mhmm. So the

1:42:08

arrow shaped key at this

1:42:10

time was so large that only

1:42:13

superman or another corpony in such a supergirl could lift it.

1:42:15

And, of course, it's set outside the fortress front Mhmm. So

1:42:19

there you go. The fortress also soon came

1:42:21

home to be the be the come to home, excuse me, of the bottle city

1:42:23

of Candor. Candor

1:42:27

with a when Braniac showed up. During his first

1:42:29

clash with the Super Crook

1:42:31

Braniac, Superman retrieved Superman's,

1:42:33

which was a Kryptonian city stolen and

1:42:35

shrunk by Branniak before explosion of Krypton. Happy to meet

1:42:38

more survivors, Superman stored the bottle

1:42:40

city in his fortress and promised

1:42:42

to find a way to enlarge them.

1:42:44

And he'd come to fulfill his promise helping the

1:42:47

candor and survivors settle on the planet of Roken. I think that's how you say it, R0KYN.

1:42:49

That's what I would say. I've never heard it

1:42:52

settle out. Cool.

1:42:55

A few months later after finding

1:42:57

Candor, Superman witnessed a

1:42:59

Kryptonian rocket crashing near

1:43:01

metropolis. Mhmm. So your man with the

1:43:03

checkout, what was the the deal with this rocket? And he found his cousin Cara. Cara

1:43:07

Zarell. Cara Zarell. Overjoyed

1:43:09

to find his long lost relative, but unable to take care of her in the time, Superman sent her to or his teen

1:43:11

cousin to midvale orphanage as

1:43:14

he trained her. That's so

1:43:18

weird. I know he could she could just

1:43:20

love it as part of it. It's fine. Cara eventually concluded a training

1:43:22

and was adopted and claimed the name of Supergirl becoming one of

1:43:25

Superman's most trustworthy

1:43:26

allies. Also, we have a Kara episode. If you'd like to go and listen to it. And

1:43:28

then in adventure comics

1:43:31

number two ten, Cripp Do

1:43:35

the super dog show do. He's the goodest

1:43:37

boy. On Krypton, there was

1:43:39

a parallel evolution that led to

1:43:41

the emergence of an analogous species

1:43:44

to Terran cats, simians, birds,

1:43:46

and dogs. Basically, cats, monkeys, birds, and dogs on krypton look exactly the same.

1:43:48

Yep. They were also

1:43:51

domestic companion animal animals Krypton

1:43:54

as they were on Earth. As explained in his

1:43:56

first appearance, Krypto was originally the toddler

1:43:58

cowell's dog when they were both

1:44:00

on Krypton and Dror Kell while testing

1:44:03

some prototypes for the rocket that would

1:44:05

send Kell to Earth, decided to use Krypton

1:44:07

as a test subject. However, Krypto's

1:44:09

rocket was knocked off course and the

1:44:11

rocket get drifted through space for years until it eventually landed on

1:44:12

Earth. Cryptonians aren't that good at aiming

1:44:14

rockets. No. Or the rockets have terrible guidances.

1:44:16

Yeah. There you go. Now

1:44:19

the early appearances of crypto

1:44:21

in the comics usually featured some

1:44:23

exaggerated anthropomorphic facial expressions, but they were

1:44:25

eventually all replaced to

1:44:28

make it just

1:44:30

look like a dog. Sure. Yeah. When

1:44:32

fighting crime, crypto usually wore a gold

1:44:34

collar and and a miniature a similarly

1:44:37

of the famed Superman s symbol

1:44:39

for a dog tag and also a dog sized version of superman's cape.

1:44:41

Whenever he was on Earth and wanted to

1:44:43

appear as an ordinary dog,

1:44:45

Crypto would simply

1:44:47

pull his collar and its

1:44:49

attached cape off, pulling it back on when necessary. In one story, he was gifted

1:44:51

with a collar that

1:44:56

contained attractable cape with the collar that could

1:44:58

be unfurled or or, you know, or unhidden by pressing a

1:45:02

stud on his collar. Now while not accompanying Superboy or

1:45:04

Superman, Krypto spent much of his time

1:45:06

romping through space. However, when he was

1:45:08

on Earth with the Ken

1:45:10

family, he easily posed as their pet

1:45:12

dog skip. They call

1:45:14

him skip on his

1:45:15

own. And in that identity, his guardians would apply a brown die patch on

1:45:17

his back for a disguise when crypto

1:45:19

would later burn it off.

1:45:23

Of the seat vision when he went into Costco. Jesus. So he sort of

1:45:25

just get a spot. He would just

1:45:27

be casual snooping.

1:45:30

Yeah. Basically. So this time,

1:45:32

so many new Kryptonian survivor characters were added to

1:45:34

the Superman lore. Mhmm. And apparently, young comic

1:45:37

readers of the

1:45:40

time loved all of them. They could

1:45:42

not get enough and Superman's book sales actually grew. Wow. Now,

1:45:44

Ashley, I'm gonna ask

1:45:47

you a question here. Do

1:45:49

you think Superman should be the only survivor of Krypton?

1:45:51

We've had this guy in the previous episodes. Or

1:45:55

if not, do you have

1:45:58

a favorite survivor of Krypton that's not Superman? I have feelings about this.

1:45:59

The only human survivor

1:46:02

or the only Kryptonian survivor

1:46:04

that I'm

1:46:07

okay with is And

1:46:10

I and I I

1:46:15

could really This is gonna sound hateful. I don't mean to sound hateful. I like

1:46:17

the character of Supergirl a lot. I've enjoyed

1:46:19

many horror stories. But if

1:46:21

Supergirl went away

1:46:23

from Superman lore and

1:46:25

we never saw anymore Californians again. We just saw -- Superman. -- Superman,

1:46:27

I'd be okay with it. I

1:46:30

would too. But if we're gonna

1:46:33

have one. It should be Cara. I don't need any kryptonian villains, but I got a soft spot for

1:46:36

Krypta.

1:46:39

He's really cute. I'm

1:46:41

surprised you like crypto. I

1:46:42

do like crypto. Is he kind of goofy? He looks like the he looks like my family dog growing up.

1:46:44

No. That's what you like. Why did you

1:46:46

give a cake to your dog, Rona?

1:46:50

No. We were not allowed to dress up our animals. Oh, okay. Also,

1:46:53

she was a lady dog. Well, actually, you

1:46:55

should know that Superman couldn't be

1:46:57

the only superhero to have

1:46:59

their own Superman's So supergirl

1:47:01

got her super pet as well. It's time to talk about streaky.

1:47:03

This super cat. In

1:47:07

action comics number two one in February of nineteen

1:47:10

sixty, Supergirl was experimenting on

1:47:12

a piece

1:47:14

of green kryptonite in an attempt to find a way to neutralize

1:47:16

its deadly effects. When her

1:47:18

experiment failed, she tossed the

1:47:20

kryptonite or ex kryptonite as it

1:47:23

was known in the issue. Out the

1:47:25

window. Though her experiment failed, her current pet,

1:47:27

streaky -- Mhmm. -- came across the

1:47:29

excrypterite and was exposed

1:47:31

to its radiation. And

1:47:34

as the comics described it, due to the unique combination of chemicals and axkryptonite, it has given streaky

1:47:37

is superpower

1:47:40

powers. Now, this

1:47:42

to me says that in comic book history, as a small bill fan, you're gonna

1:47:45

know what I'm

1:47:48

talking about, streaky the is

1:47:50

the very first meteor freak. Yeah. That's a

1:47:53

of course, if you don't

1:47:55

know, we're talking about in smallville, all of Clark's

1:47:57

enemies in the first, like, three to four or five seasons were people that were exposed to the radiation

1:47:59

of Kryptonite and they got

1:48:02

super

1:48:02

powers. That's really that's

1:48:05

That's really cute. And there's a really fun way that you could incorporate that into a

1:48:07

comic book. And I would This is a meteor for I would love D.

1:48:09

C. Hires for that.

1:48:12

Alright, Ashley.

1:48:14

I'm gonna bring to you the challenge

1:48:16

of the super bats.

1:48:18

Oh,

1:48:18

boy. Can

1:48:19

you name

1:48:22

the

1:48:23

four Actually, I'm gonna tell you

1:48:23

this. Can you name all the super

1:48:26

pets? No. Of just superman?

1:48:28

No.

1:48:29

Superman's Even

1:48:31

the ones you know. Kripto -- Yes. -- street heat.

1:48:33

Yep. We got those

1:48:34

two. Appo. Appo

1:48:35

the Super Monkey. Whatever the

1:48:37

horse's name is. Comment.

1:48:40

Oh,

1:48:40

yeah. I'm at the super horse. The one

1:48:42

that's maybe Carl's boyfriend and maybe not. Yeah. Because maybe I missed it. We're not gonna talk about

1:48:44

that.

1:48:47

That's it. Right? There are others. Oh, well, then I have

1:48:49

no idea. Those are the main four. Yeah.

1:48:51

Or those four.

1:48:54

The other ones are You

1:48:57

see the snake?

1:48:58

No. Fun fact. Turtano, the

1:49:01

Superman's, eventually gets eventually

1:49:03

becomes a super patent user. Wanna swear right now. That's dumb. There's also

1:49:08

squawky. The Superman's.

1:49:10

He was from Krypton and was dreamed up by supergirl in an alternate history where her super pet was squawky instead

1:49:15

of Krypto. No. There's

1:49:18

also

1:49:19

there's also superfly who was an

1:49:21

ordinary fly that was actually capable

1:49:23

of the powers and abilities

1:49:26

of

1:49:26

superman. Oh. By

1:49:27

Lexus These are

1:49:27

terrible. No. They

1:49:29

here's one

1:49:29

that you're gonna love. Okay. Is

1:49:32

it

1:49:33

a

1:49:33

fox? No. Is another

1:49:35

cat. Wizzy,

1:49:36

the super cat. What color is Wizzy? I

1:49:38

don't remember. I'm gonna

1:49:39

Google it. I don't know. Wizzie

1:49:42

the Supercat is the thirtieth Century descendant of streaky the Supercat.

1:49:47

Wizzie can stay. Except Wizzie

1:49:49

has gained powers over the course of time and is also telepathic. So you could talk to your

1:49:52

auntie. Great. I

1:49:55

want it. Yeah. Don't remember. I

1:49:57

think Wizzie's the same color. Wizzie's either white or gold. I can't remember it. I will

1:49:59

let you know shortly. Alright. So, actually,

1:50:02

so

1:50:02

we've learned about all the

1:50:05

spepets, and Wizzie's really cool.

1:50:06

Wizzie is a gold. Yeah. Exactly. And also wears a space suit. Well,

1:50:09

it's a dead.

1:50:12

It's gold. And red. It's the

1:50:14

future.

1:50:14

It's amazing. Actually, it's

1:50:15

time to talk about how Superman got

1:50:18

his groove back? No.

1:50:22

Like

1:50:22

when Harry met Sally, it's time

1:50:24

to talk about when Superman

1:50:26

met Batman. Oh,

1:50:27

okay. I was like, Now four years

1:50:30

in the comic books, they appeared in Team Comics rarely. Mhmm.

1:50:32

They would be on the cover, but they wouldn't be

1:50:34

on the inside. And they were both on the cover

1:50:38

of several issues of world's finest. But fun

1:50:41

fact, the comic in the beginning

1:50:43

actually had separate adventures for the

1:50:45

heroes. They never teamed up

1:50:47

in them. Yeah.

1:50:48

Yeah. It was an anthology book originally.

1:50:50

Now it is credited as the cancellation of all star comics that led to

1:50:52

the Superman editors finally teaming

1:50:54

these two icons together. Now, this

1:50:58

actually happened in nineteen fifty one, so

1:51:00

we're kind of backing up chronological even if you're sort

1:51:02

of following it all in time. So the

1:51:05

issue where this happens, the only

1:51:08

issue with Superman, billionaire Bruce

1:51:10

Wayne and reporter Clark Kent found

1:51:12

cells forced to ruin together on a crowded cruise

1:51:14

ship. When a fire erupted on board, Bruce switched the lights off in

1:51:16

an attempt to change into the Batman costume

1:51:18

so he could save the day and

1:51:22

Clark took the opportunity to change in

1:51:24

the Superman at the exact same time.

1:51:26

Fate played its hand in a light

1:51:28

suddenly shown through the cabin's window exposing

1:51:31

each other's secret identity to their bunkmates. Man, the dude who

1:51:33

wrote a selection of the innocents having a

1:51:35

field day. Yep. Though

1:51:37

the heroes forge a friendship by the story's ends, they seemed to be

1:51:40

the end of it and no further mention

1:51:42

of Batman was found in Superman's line of

1:51:44

books. And the same was

1:51:46

true Superman and Batman's books and the pair went their separate

1:51:48

ways and didn't speak

1:51:49

again. But can you imagine if you had been reading

1:51:51

Batman and Superman comics all the

1:51:53

time, there's really no continuity and then this half

1:51:55

happens? Like, it would have been incredible. Yep. By nineteen fifty four,

1:51:57

world's finest economies had moved from

1:51:59

a quarterly title to a bimonthly

1:52:01

one, and the comic was a

1:52:04

huge six eight pages. Now, the decision came

1:52:06

down to shorten the number of pages in the title, and this would drop the cost of the book from

1:52:08

fifteen cents

1:52:11

to a dime. With the hopes that

1:52:14

the bam The price reduction would help the title sell better. However, less pages meant

1:52:16

that one of the

1:52:19

two main features, Batman, or

1:52:22

Superman had to be lost. So

1:52:24

was it gonna be Superman kicked out of world's

1:52:26

finest or was it gonna be Batman?

1:52:29

Now, remembering that the two heroes had

1:52:31

actually met years earlier, an editor rolled the dice and created

1:52:33

a new main feature

1:52:36

featuring both Superman's

1:52:39

and Batman working together issue after issue.

1:52:41

I love that the solution is what

1:52:44

like, we could get rid of

1:52:46

Batman or but why not

1:52:48

Batman? And super

1:52:49

rad. The plan actually worked and world's finest comics became

1:52:51

a must read

1:52:54

title for both the title

1:52:57

ran almost continuously until

1:52:59

nineteen eighty

1:52:59

six. I

1:53:02

maintained that kinda like you mentioned about Lois Lane earlier that there should always be

1:53:05

a real time assignment. Just about to

1:53:07

say that. Like action comics, I was

1:53:09

gonna say, like, I think DC

1:53:11

should always have a title called the world's

1:53:13

finest in some form or aspects. Yeah. I'm glad you

1:53:15

agree with that as well. So

1:53:18

let's move let's talk about several of Superman's underrated

1:53:20

adventures with Batman. Okay. Then this is

1:53:22

just gonna be a bunch of, you

1:53:25

know, a bunch of different ones, you know.

1:53:27

Cool cool. When Superman and Robin from a mob

1:53:29

attack, he would accidentally reveal his

1:53:31

secret identity to lowest lane --

1:53:33

Mhmm. -- prompting Batman and Robin

1:53:35

to help stage and

1:53:38

elaborate hoax in order to once more protect

1:53:40

Superman's

1:53:40

identity. Okay.

1:53:40

Yep. I love

1:53:41

that we don't trust Lois at all. In another adventure,

1:53:43

when Clark Kent and Lois lane

1:53:46

were captured by criminals who used heavy artillery

1:53:48

in their crimes, Batman and Robin were

1:53:50

led to their hideout, thanks to

1:53:53

Superman's secret aid and they captured the thugs.

1:53:55

Now, I'm just gonna say here as a former military person, if criminals are using heavy

1:53:57

artillery, what the hell

1:53:59

are they doing?

1:54:01

Right. And Howard Batman and Robin, a better opposition for

1:54:03

them than super bad. later Batman and came

1:54:06

up with an elaborate hoax

1:54:10

because this is a silver age where Batman

1:54:12

poses as a swan y and

1:54:14

needs a Superman's assistance in order

1:54:16

to capture a group of

1:54:18

crook. Now, actually, would you wanna explain to our audience what a

1:54:20

swamy is? A

1:54:21

swamy is usually a Middle Eastern

1:54:23

or Indian mystical

1:54:26

figure. Usually wear a turban.

1:54:28

Yeah. And they usually

1:54:30

stereotypically play kind of

1:54:32

a flute and they're

1:54:34

like

1:54:34

presented. And a snake

1:54:35

comes up. Yeah. Snake floats in the air. It

1:54:37

is it is something that around the

1:54:40

middle of the

1:54:42

twentieth century became a stereotypical

1:54:44

representation of like a

1:54:46

Hinduistic.

1:54:46

Yes. Correct. Correct. When Batman

1:54:49

was posed to a lethal gas by

1:54:51

the mask mob would killed and Robin made

1:54:54

Batman believe that he

1:54:56

had

1:54:58

add a broken leg to keep him out of

1:55:00

action until the poison

1:55:01

wore off. Gary. Yep. Babin and

1:55:04

Superman also worked together stop the evil

1:55:06

professor pender who used the machine to swap powers between them. Oh, that's cool. Using their respective

1:55:08

abilities super bad man

1:55:10

and normal super man manage

1:55:14

to defeat pender and return to

1:55:16

their normal forms. That's cool. That's

1:55:17

actually a good idea. That would be a

1:55:20

great cartoon today. Sure. Next, Superman

1:55:22

summons Batman and Robin to Metropolis to try and figure out who is trying to reveal Superman's

1:55:24

secret identity. Probably

1:55:27

Superman's. This all turns out

1:55:30

to be a ruse to keep

1:55:32

the dynamic duo preoccupied while Superman travels to

1:55:34

Gotham City to capture the Vero mob. Great.

1:55:37

Yes. Those those star characters. But this, of course, would lead to the

1:55:39

biggest Superman and Batman

1:55:42

Superman's up

1:55:45

ever. Ever. Ever. Their

1:55:47

most important story line the

1:55:52

composite supermodel. I was hoping you weren't gonna

1:55:54

bring that up. Ashley, do you know what this is?

1:55:58

I really only know that he's half

1:55:59

Superman, half I've seen the action figure. Well, I'm

1:56:02

gonna give you the full

1:56:02

the full rundown on the composite

1:56:05

Superman. Great. I've not read this issue.

1:56:07

Joseph Miche was a diver

1:56:09

who had fallen hard times. Okay.

1:56:11

There's just

1:56:12

yeah. There there's no more

1:56:14

stuff to dive to. Okay. And

1:56:15

I and I really miss Well, he could just hold on and go

1:56:17

to Mercieres. And being under the sea in

1:56:19

an octopus's guard. Dude, dude, dude. Dude,

1:56:21

dude. Dude, dude. Dude, dude. Dude, dude.

1:56:24

Dude, dude. In an attempt

1:56:26

to draw publicity to himself, Meach set up a water tank on a sidewalk in metropolis

1:56:29

and dove off

1:56:32

a building. Okay. Unbeknownst to

1:56:34

Meech, the tank was leaking, and Meech would have died if not for the intervention

1:56:36

of Superman catching him. Mhmm.

1:56:38

Upon learning of Meech's misfortunes, Superman

1:56:43

obtained a job for him at the Superman Museum Superman's

1:56:45

was employed as a general. Yes, Superman

1:56:48

has a museum. Cool.

1:56:50

So does the flash? Mhmm. Mecha's

1:56:52

bitterness actually did not subside.

1:56:54

Mhmm. And being surrounded bymomentos

1:56:56

of Superman's career directed his anger

1:56:59

towards Superman. Because he wanted to blame anybody but himself. Typical. One night

1:57:01

as each was sweeping in front of

1:57:03

a series of statues depicting the

1:57:05

legion of superheroes, a

1:57:07

bolt of lightning struck

1:57:09

the display. Okay. The statues who were actually miniature lifeless duplicates of the

1:57:11

Legionnaires and not just actually

1:57:14

statues because it's the silver

1:57:16

age. They

1:57:18

unleashed an energy blast that struck Meach and endowing him with the combined powers of the said

1:57:24

legion members. Determined to defeat

1:57:26

Superman, Batman, and Robin for some reason. Nice. Much

1:57:28

now used his safe shifting

1:57:30

power to turn his skin green

1:57:34

and form a costume that was half a Superman's costume. He

1:57:37

does have a green face. And

1:57:39

half of Batman's costume calling

1:57:42

himself the composites Superman's a

1:57:44

message in both at the hero's bases to meet him

1:57:46

at a mountain. Now why he didn't sneak attack either

1:57:48

of these heroes so he could go inside his

1:57:50

bases? I'll never know. He was a

1:57:51

he's real I was all cool. He's like,

1:57:54

beat me outside somewhere. There at the mountain, he told the heroes that if he was not allowed to join their team,

1:57:59

he would then suppose their secret identities when

1:58:01

she had then learned via

1:58:03

telepathy. Great. Yep. See, so he's badgering these people to

1:58:05

join them. Neither Batman nor

1:58:07

Superman has super powers. Has

1:58:12

telepathy, so I think it's weird that he is.

1:58:13

He got the powers from Allegion. I know. I know. Allegion members

1:58:15

have shaped to the ability.

1:58:16

I know. But it's weird to me

1:58:18

that I mean, where he the composites Superman's a

1:58:21

weird day. Yeah. Now, the composites

1:58:23

Superman then created situations for Superman

1:58:25

and Batman to handle, which he

1:58:27

intentionally sabotaged to who mill ate the

1:58:29

heroes. Mhmm. But of course, the heroes handled them. Yeah.

1:58:31

Yeah. Yeah. The Superman and Batman attempted to expose him by using robot

1:58:35

duplicates, but failed due to his composites or telepathy to read their minds, of

1:58:37

course. Mhmm. And just before Meach was about to

1:58:39

reveal the hero's secret identities,

1:58:41

the powers he gained

1:58:43

from the statues faded

1:58:46

away. Apologies. And Meach tried to write down the secret of his powers in the Superman Museum,

1:58:49

but his

1:58:51

memory faded away, before

1:58:54

he could finish.

1:58:56

I didn't realize that the cause

1:58:58

of the superman Superman's silly.

1:59:00

He's very silly. Like everything the

1:59:02

silver ages should just be a synonym for silly. Absolutely.

1:59:04

Now the silver age is

1:59:07

also the age of Superman that

1:59:09

gives us the most varieties of

1:59:11

kryptonite. Oh, good. So I hope you're ready to

1:59:13

buckle in Ashley because there's a lot of them.

1:59:15

I'm so ready. There

1:59:18

is green kryptonite. The normal one. What does that do, Ashley? It does have

1:59:20

Superman's powers.

1:59:20

It's poisonous super Yeah. Herptonians. Yep.

1:59:23

And it could basically kill them with

1:59:25

long term exposure. Yeah. But it basically

1:59:27

takes away their powers. There's

1:59:29

also red kriptanine. You know what that is? No. But I know it exists. It debuted in

1:59:31

the adventure comics number two fifty

1:59:34

two in nineteen fifty eight.

1:59:38

And Red Crip and I at this time weakened

1:59:40

Superman to a greater degree than Green Crip

1:59:42

and I, but it also causes odd

1:59:46

behavior and bizarre

1:59:48

transformations. In modern story lines, red Kryptonite basically makes

1:59:50

Superman act angry. Okay. So that's kinda where it is. Like a

1:59:51

red lantern. There's anti kryptonite.

1:59:54

You know what that is?

1:59:57

Gives Superman better

1:59:59

powers. Yeah. I mean Yeah.

2:00:04

Yeah. It debuted in action comics

2:00:06

number two fifty two. It's harmless to Peponians, but has the same effect as

2:00:09

the green

2:00:11

variety on normal humans. Oh,

2:00:13

so it's like plutody. Yep. Anti kryptonite is also the power source

2:00:15

for one version of the character of

2:00:17

Ultra Man who

2:00:20

is Superman evil counterpart from the antimatter unit? Yes.

2:00:22

There's also ex kryptonite. I have no idea what that is. We talked about that. It's

2:00:24

the weird version

2:00:27

of there was successful attempt

2:00:29

to make an antidote to green

2:00:30

kryptonite. It's a thermosite. And it made streaky

2:00:31

the super cat. That's

2:00:32

right. Okay.

2:00:34

Excription, I can

2:00:35

say. Yep. What's blue kryptonite, Ashley? Is

2:00:38

that

2:00:38

the one that depowers Bizarro? Yeah. Is it hard?

2:00:40

Blue Kryptonite is

2:00:43

good for Bizarro? Yep.

2:00:46

It's an imperfect

2:00:47

kryptonite, which is FX Bizarro in

2:00:49

the same way. Yep. Mhmm. What

2:00:52

is

2:00:54

white kryptonite? White kryptonite turns you into

2:00:56

a hot green lantern character.

2:00:58

What? Because, like, Kyle's the

2:01:00

white lantern for a

2:01:02

while. I don't know what, like, please, about this joke.

2:01:04

Diabetes in the Venture comics number two seventy

2:01:06

nine, it kills all plant life from any

2:01:10

world. Praful. What is gold? Kryptonite. Gold Kryptonite

2:01:12

is what

2:01:12

you get when you win the Kryptonian

2:01:15

Olympics. Good guess, but no.

2:01:18

Debut in the Venture a member of this one, two ninety nine,

2:01:20

it permanently removes a

2:01:22

Crypto's ability to process

2:01:26

yellow sunlight. Oh,

2:01:27

just a bummer. A lot of people have

2:01:29

supposed that in Superman two, at the end of the

2:01:31

movie, this is what Superman used to get rid

2:01:33

of Zod's powers even though you never see

2:01:35

it on

2:01:36

screen. That's

2:01:36

a fun fan theory. I can I can

2:01:38

get behind that. What is Silver Kryptonite? Silver Kryptonite is what you

2:01:39

get when you come in second

2:01:40

at the Kryptonian Olympics?

2:01:43

Good guess, but no. It

2:01:45

debuted in Superman's Powell Jimmy Olsen number seventy. It was revealed

2:01:47

by Jimmy Olsen to be a hoax. But in post

2:01:49

crisis in Superman number

2:01:52

forty six, It

2:01:54

was modeled at the version that appeared into the smallville TV

2:01:56

series. Silvercripps that might cause the Kardashians

2:01:58

to suffer from altered

2:01:59

perceptions, loss of

2:02:02

inadmissions, and extreme hunger, crypt cravings. Sounds like it makes some

2:02:04

little

2:02:04

snow. Yep. The script in my also

2:02:06

causes Superman to hallucinate his greatest

2:02:09

fear of it attacking general's during the final episode

2:02:11

of season two Supergirl on the

2:02:14

CW. What is Juul

2:02:18

Kryptonite? Juul Kryptonite is what you give your kryptonian fiancee

2:02:20

when you want her to marry you.

2:02:22

Good guess, but not

2:02:23

correct. I've never

2:02:24

heard of those. In fact, in

2:02:27

action comics number three ten, They

2:02:29

are fragments of Krypton's jewel mountains. Oh, okay. And

2:02:31

they amplify the

2:02:31

psychic powers of criminals imprisoned in the

2:02:34

Phantom Zone, which is very very simple.

2:02:36

They very

2:02:39

specific. Right. There you go. There's a bunch more, but

2:02:41

most of them are hoax versions or whatever. I

2:02:43

mainly wanted to stick to the

2:02:45

main color. Cool. Now before we get out of

2:02:47

a silver age, there are two

2:02:49

stories that I wanna touch upon.

2:02:52

The first one is a guy that

2:02:54

we've sort of already talked about. But to me, he is one

2:02:56

of Superman's most important

2:02:57

villains, and I think he doesn't get a fair shake,

2:02:59

and I think he is

2:03:01

one of Superman.

2:03:02

No. Although, this

2:03:04

villain would have so much fun with

2:03:06

Tatiana. This is the villain that

2:03:08

would usually say I was

2:03:11

hoping

2:03:11

you're gonna

2:03:13

talk about bizarre. Me

2:03:15

and bizarre. Please request

2:03:18

the bizarre lesson than Jason. Me. You must teach

2:03:20

all in bursaries. Me hate

2:03:22

that idea about our elementary

2:03:24

lesson. Me hate

2:03:26

Ashley. Yeah. Me hate Ashley, big time. Yeah. Me hate talking like this. Me,

2:03:32

Me too. Me,

2:03:35

you you hate me talking like

2:03:37

this? Yeah. Oh, good. Meebazar

2:03:39

will do it

2:03:41

more. Great. Meebazar O team Bizarro do it

2:03:43

less. There you go. See me Bizarro. I am

2:03:45

so on track with alba Bizarro

2:03:47

to help you. It

2:03:51

would be so much fun and

2:03:53

so you're dating. Yes, it would

2:03:56

be. So

2:03:59

there are two sort of bizarre origins.

2:04:01

Okay. Okay. A scientist on Earth is demonstrating his newly invented

2:04:04

duplicating ray

2:04:06

to Superboy. Remember him?

2:04:08

Oh, yeah. He's fat. Yep. And an accident causes there don't

2:04:10

body shame, Superboy? I'm not body shaming him. I'm seeing a fact. In an accident, no

2:04:14

opinion on it. And an accident causes the ray to duplicate the Superboy.

2:04:17

The copy quickly labeled Bizarro

2:04:19

is a flawed imitation

2:04:21

as it possesses chalk white skin and childlike

2:04:24

erratic behavior, which is I don't see

2:04:26

how that's any different than Super White. Yeah.

2:04:32

Sure. Sure. Yep. Shunned by the

2:04:34

people of smallville, Bizarro Bur friend's a blind girl. But he --

2:04:36

Oh, yeah. -- but he loses all hope

2:04:38

when he realizes that the girl did

2:04:42

shut him or flee him because she was blind. Yeah.

2:04:45

That's

2:04:45

I actually think that's really really

2:04:48

sad. Superboy

2:04:50

is eventually forced to kill the less than perfect clone

2:04:52

using the remains of the duplicating

2:04:54

machine which acts like blue kryptonite.

2:04:57

Oh. Years afterward, Superman's Arch foe, Lex

2:04:59

Luther, re creates the duplicating ray and uses on the grown hero, hoping to

2:05:03

control the duplicate. This

2:05:06

bizarre that is created,

2:05:08

however, is confused, stating

2:05:10

me not human, me not

2:05:12

creature. Me not

2:05:14

even Annamo. Me unhappy. Me don't belong in world of living

2:05:20

people. We don't know difference

2:05:22

between right and wrong, good and evil. There's a taste there of

2:05:27

what the Bizarro Guy flow lesson would be might be liking those direct quote

2:05:30

from that appearance. Wow. Luther is

2:05:32

arrested by Bizarro for

2:05:34

recreating him because Bizarro m

2:05:37

Bizarro, not good boy. There you

2:05:39

go. But forgotten, as Bizarro attempts to emulate Superman and creating havoc

2:05:42

in the city ofropus

2:05:45

almost exposing Superman's Secret Identity as Clark Kent.

2:05:47

When Bizarro falls in love with reporter Lois Lane,

2:05:52

she used the duplicating ray on herself

2:05:54

to create a bizarro Lois. I didn't know that. Yeah. Which I think should be called

2:05:56

b

2:05:57

Lois. Who is

2:05:58

instantly attracted to bizarro. Oh,

2:06:01

The bizarro's leave earth together determined to find a home where they could find themselves. And there are

2:06:04

more bizarro tales including

2:06:06

the bizarro family and a

2:06:08

bizarro

2:06:11

world, but those are the two that I wanna talk about. Cool. Are you

2:06:13

looking up a picture of Bizarro Lois? Yeah. I

2:06:15

am. Oh, she's on her

2:06:18

phone right now. Ashley, cute. She got

2:06:21

cute hair. She got a dress. She's very cute. She's cute.

2:06:23

And she's also been brought back recently in Superman rework. Client

2:06:25

probe is our

2:06:28

lowest. Yep.

2:06:28

And also, boys are always been brought back

2:06:30

as well, which have been created by Patrick Gleeson and Peter Temasek. But Ashley, of course, I

2:06:32

saved the

2:06:35

best for last -- Oh, boy. -- we are

2:06:37

going to talk about what I consider

2:06:39

to be the most

2:06:42

important Superman storyline of all time. boy. And,

2:06:44

actually, you know me. Yeah.

2:06:47

Listeners know me. Do you

2:06:49

have any guesses what I

2:06:51

consider to be the

2:06:54

most important Superman's Silver Age storyline of all time. The one that has the most far reaching effects

2:06:57

has changed

2:06:59

more lives and has

2:07:03

created the best covers. That's

2:07:05

I I wanna I

2:07:08

really hope it's the one where

2:07:10

they make Robin and Jimmy Olsen dig

2:07:12

their own

2:07:12

graves. No.

2:07:13

That's not

2:07:13

correct. But that's

2:07:14

what the world's fine. It's true. Yeah. It's not a This is in Superman.

2:07:18

I also can't tell if you're joking or not. I am serious

2:07:20

as as

2:07:21

as as a but As the Dickens

2:07:23

As as a Bizara

2:07:24

would be. I

2:07:26

don't

2:07:26

know. I honestly don't know. We're

2:07:29

gonna talk about the most important Superman storyline of all time --

2:07:31

Yeah. -- which is called red

2:07:37

and superman blue. Oh,

2:07:40

spit. Now

2:07:44

the original Superman's Superman Bluetail is

2:07:46

an imaginary story that first appeared in Superman one sixty

2:07:48

two in July

2:07:51

of nineteen sixty

2:07:52

three. Actually written by Leo Doorman. What a great

2:07:54

name? Drawn by Chris

2:07:54

Swan, the legendary Superman Artist. Oh, he dressed such a cute

2:07:57

Superman. Now in

2:08:00

this story, Superman is compelled to finish

2:08:02

a list of unaccomplished goals, including the enlargement of the bottle city of candor which he hadn't

2:08:04

done at this time, and

2:08:06

eliminating crime and evil from earth.

2:08:09

And in order to accomplish these goals, Superman invents

2:08:11

a machine powered by various types of kryptonite

2:08:14

that will increase his intelligence.

2:08:19

The machine works, increasing Superman's intelligence a

2:08:21

hundred fold, but with the unexpected

2:08:23

side effect of

2:08:25

spreading Superman into twin beings,

2:08:27

one outfitted in an all Superman costume and the other in

2:08:30

an all blue version. The twins name

2:08:32

themselves, red

2:08:35

and superman blue. Very creative.

2:08:38

Now, the twin superman

2:08:40

successfully enlarged

2:08:42

candor freeing its citizens from their bottle prison. They then

2:08:44

bring the remnants of Krypton back together,

2:08:47

creating a pilot called new

2:08:50

Kryptonite. They eliminate all existing kryptonite as well, and

2:08:52

the two Superman going to create

2:08:54

an anti evil rey, which

2:08:57

can cure criminal

2:08:59

tendencies in anyone. They placed the ray

2:09:02

into satellite orbit around Earth, carrying not only villains such as Lex Luther and mister MiXil

2:09:04

Spitlik, but

2:09:07

caught omunists such as Nikolai, Krushev, and

2:09:10

Fidel Castro. Why? Yes.

2:09:12

The reformed Luther then goes

2:09:14

on to invent a serum that

2:09:17

cures all known diseases, which he puts in the water supplies

2:09:19

of every country across

2:09:24

the world. With

2:09:26

nearly all the world's problems

2:09:28

solved, the two have time to

2:09:30

deal with personal matters. And the split

2:09:33

allowed them to resolve the long love

2:09:35

triangle between Superman, Lois Lane, and Lana Lane. That's right. And Jimmy

2:09:36

Olsen, no such to

2:09:38

be all. And Jimmy? Yes. Are

2:09:41

a square. Each woman claims her own Superman and they have a triple

2:09:44

wedding Boy,

2:09:46

that's not troubling at all.

2:09:50

Blue Mary's Wanna, Superman Red Mary's Lois, and Lucy Lane finally

2:09:55

marries Jimmy Olsen.

2:09:57

Okay. Superman red decides to live on new Krypton, sacrificing his powers because

2:09:59

he's under a red sun. Mhmm. And Superman

2:10:03

blue remains on it's starting

2:10:05

a Superman family. Now, again, as you can see

2:10:07

with that happy

2:10:11

ending, that the important Superman storyline of all time? That

2:10:14

will completely pay off in about

2:10:16

twenty. Mhmm.

2:10:20

Now before we leave the silver age, there's

2:10:22

a couple of things we have to talk about. Okay. Superman debuted on

2:10:24

Broadway during the silver age

2:10:26

in a musical called, it's a

2:10:29

it's the plane. It's Superman. Exactly one good song in it. Yep. It's a musical comedy and it closed after

2:10:31

a hundred and

2:10:35

twenty eight performances Go

2:10:37

Google use some YouTube clips. Hopefully, the Mind University will share some of these clips.

2:10:39

It's really funny to watch.

2:10:42

And soon, editor, more Morte

2:10:47

Weisinger -- That guy. -- who is

2:10:49

responsible in my opinion for the

2:10:51

Superman Renaissance, would leave

2:10:54

DC in nineteen seventy And that

2:10:57

would end the silver age of

2:10:58

Superman. Oh, baby. And there you go.

2:11:00

There is

2:11:01

the silver age of

2:11:04

Superman Superman's. Of

2:11:06

geek history lesson. That

2:11:07

was good. Yeah. Was that good? Yeah. You did all kinds of crazy stuff. Alright. Let's go recommended reading.

2:11:13

Where professor Jason is gonna recommend a whole bunch of cool stuff that you can read

2:11:15

if you were particularly taken with a silver age

2:11:18

of You can find

2:11:20

that

2:11:21

and all of our past recommended reading at geek

2:11:23

history lesson dot com slash recommended reading. That's right. You go over there.

2:11:26

You click on these you

2:11:28

buy these books, you support the Mind

2:11:31

University. Mhmm. First one is Batman and Superman in world's finest, the silver age

2:11:36

volume one. This is a lot of the early world's

2:11:38

finances in Newark collection. It also collects Superman seventy six, which is their first meeting

2:11:40

that I told you

2:11:42

about in the cruise. Nice. I the

2:11:44

other thing is a couple of trades. They're Superman in the fifties. It's

2:11:46

out of print, but you can still buy some copies on Amazon, and

2:11:50

there's a lot of the good Silver Age storylines. And there's also Superman

2:11:52

in the sixties, which is another trade as

2:11:54

well. It's also out of print, but

2:11:57

you can find it This has classic story lines

2:11:59

like Superman's Return to Krypton and a lot

2:12:02

of good super baby jimmyols and Lois

2:12:04

Lane

2:12:05

story lines. Cool. So Let's go into

2:12:07

the discussion. We're we're gonna discuss

2:12:09

stuff. Ashley. Yeah. What are

2:12:11

your thoughts on the

2:12:14

silver

2:12:15

age of Superman? I have I have a lot of

2:12:17

different and complicated thoughts about the Silver Age

2:12:20

in general because

2:12:23

it's I don't enjoy very much

2:12:25

of it. However, I think

2:12:27

with a character like Superman and

2:12:29

I think you putting it at the

2:12:31

top of this lesson and highlighting it

2:12:34

throughout your breakdown was very interesting and illuminating for me. I think for Superman,

2:12:36

it's maybe one

2:12:39

of his most definitive

2:12:40

ages. Yes. Like,

2:12:41

I think it's so fascinating that The silliest

2:12:43

age created the

2:12:46

most random we

2:12:47

know. Wisinger. That's the editor's name. Or Wisinger. It's kinda like

2:12:49

the Bill Fanger, you

2:12:50

know, is Bill Fanger a surveillance. For

2:12:52

He is

2:12:53

the facilitator of so many

2:12:56

things that define who

2:12:58

Superman is. And it's you're right. It is wild that it came out of a lot of

2:13:00

silliness. Mhmm. Do

2:13:03

you know? No. Guess

2:13:06

I think it's important is what it comes down. It is important. It's an it's an aspect of this moment

2:13:12

on,

2:13:13

Superman is solidified. This is the superman that we know. This is the

2:13:15

superman that we know. Mhmm. But it's also

2:13:16

the change, and we're gonna get in

2:13:17

that. We're

2:13:17

gonna get a little bit of that, and the geekish

2:13:20

wasn't extra. Alright.

2:13:23

It's going to the t g tweet. We're in one hundred and forty characters

2:13:25

or less because we're old school. Professor Jason

2:13:27

is gonna summarize everything that he

2:13:29

just taught us about Silverman

2:13:32

in the Silver

2:13:32

Age, and you can find

2:13:35

this tweet at GHL podcast. Silver Age Superman. Did

2:13:39

you know that Superman once refused Aquaman a glass of

2:13:42

water when he was moments away

2:13:44

from death?

2:13:47

True story, hashtag, super dupe. Now we're to the

2:13:49

last section, hashtag, stick around. Hashtags. Go use

2:13:51

that on Twitter. To let us know that

2:13:53

you stick around for these episodes. Ashley,

2:13:55

I saved one Superman's

2:13:58

age story --

2:13:59

Oh, okay. -- for the very end.

2:14:01

This is the story of Superman and Lois

2:14:03

Lane's baby wedding.

2:14:06

Oh, no. This

2:14:08

is a bad one. Do you know about this

2:14:10

one? Yes. Okay. So hashtag stick around, guys. I'm

2:14:12

saving this just for you listeners who

2:14:14

stick around to the very end of the podcast -- Mhmm. -- and support us,

2:14:16

you know, pimping all our stuff that we pimp.

2:14:18

Yeah. So there you go. This is in

2:14:21

nineteen sixty three and Superman's girlfriend

2:14:23

Lois Lane number forty two. A

2:14:25

horrible accident changes Lois' personality so much that

2:14:27

she blackmail Superman into Superman's

2:14:31

her. Superman who is, like, never gonna be

2:14:34

hoodwinked into Mary and Lois Lane, of

2:14:36

course. He disguised -- Not during the

2:14:38

soviet age. -- he disguised as an

2:14:40

alien age reversal

2:14:42

potion as perfume and allows his craze brine to spritz herself.

2:14:47

Now, this plan works. But the fun

2:14:50

fact is that Lois accidentally sprays the substance on the man of steel too. Mhmm.

2:14:52

So the potion deages

2:14:55

the duo even further to

2:14:58

the point that baby Lois and

2:15:00

baby Superman have diapers on -- Yep.

2:15:02

-- and they're actually wheeled into

2:15:05

a chapel for an insane infant

2:15:07

wedding. But because Lois can't say anything but Goo

2:15:09

goo when asked do you take

2:15:11

this man, the

2:15:14

wedding is called And the

2:15:16

de aging potion wears off. That's the silver age

2:15:18

folks. Yeah. It's worth

2:15:19

googling just for the picture. The pictures are

2:15:21

hilarious of seeing

2:15:22

the panel of Lowe's going. Googoo. You

2:15:26

take this man.

2:15:26

Go goo. Awesome. Yep. It is awful. And that is it for this geek lesson

2:15:29

on Superman's, this

2:15:32

over age. When was Superman

2:15:34

the bronze age

2:15:35

come? I don't know. Request it online.

2:15:37

Hey. I'm Jason, Superman Red, Superman Blue in.

2:15:39

I'm Ashley Victoria

2:15:41

Robinson and professor Jason,

2:15:43

will you please dismiss

2:15:45

the class? Gigg history lesson

2:15:47

is never dismissed.

2:15:50

Up in the

2:15:53

sky, it's

2:15:57

a bird. It's a plane. No. It's

2:16:00

Superman in the bronze age. Your geek

2:16:02

history lesson on Superman in the bronze

2:16:04

age is now in

2:16:06

session. Hello, and welcome to geek history

2:16:08

lesson. I am Jason. Sometimes, bronze

2:16:10

in men. I am Ashley Victoria

2:16:12

Robinson. Welcome to your Mind

2:16:14

University because you have Stumble onto the

2:16:16

podcast where we take one character construct or a piece

2:16:19

of publishing history from popular culture and teach you everything you

2:16:21

need to know about them in

2:16:23

about an hour and This

2:16:26

is part of a twofold iconic series

2:16:28

in that with some of the very big

2:16:30

DC comics characters who've been around for almost

2:16:34

Century now. It's gonna see a millennium.

2:16:37

We are breaking them up by publishing

2:16:39

era. So this is the ongoing Superman series, and this is also our

2:16:43

first character to enter the bronte. Yes.

2:16:45

And we'll we'll get more into that in just a second. We're talking about Superman today because Superman

2:16:48

is hitting the

2:16:52

small screen with Superman and Lois

2:16:55

on the CW and that is

2:16:57

why we are doing another installment

2:17:00

of history because like Ashley said,

2:17:02

it is so big. You cannot fit this

2:17:04

into one episode. And there's so many stories

2:17:06

that you don't wanna gloss over in

2:17:08

so many things. So to explain

2:17:11

what we let me explain

2:17:15

the ages to you. Now, none

2:17:17

of these are super official. It's what a bunch of comic

2:17:19

nerds like myself and

2:17:23

like you have decided. Mhmm. So there's

2:17:25

a lot of arguments on either way about the years

2:17:27

or whatever. This is just what we've decided to do. You

2:17:31

know, it's our podcast. Exactly. Just

2:17:33

go with it. Alright. The golden age is from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen fifty

2:17:35

six most people agreed

2:17:40

that it begins with action comics

2:17:42

number one, and it ends with the first appearance of Barry Allen in Showcase number four fifty six.

2:17:49

The silver age, of course, begins with that appearance of

2:17:51

baryllis, the new flash, and

2:17:55

it goes until nineteen seventy.

2:17:57

Basically, The silver age was restricted storytelling

2:17:59

with often silly stories, but

2:18:01

we start to get hints

2:18:03

of more depth. You know,

2:18:06

basically, Barry Allen, also some people say the star dose outrage is the introduction of the Comics

2:18:10

Code Authority.

2:18:11

Mhmm. Would you wanna explain what that is

2:18:13

just in case somebody doesn't know? The Comics

2:18:15

Code Authority was kind of like the there's a motion picture version, but I can't it stands for.

2:18:17

The NBA. Thank you.

2:18:19

I don't know what

2:18:22

the acronym Sam motion

2:18:24

picture something. I think it's the

2:18:26

Arts Association. Association. Where basically a

2:18:28

governing body decided that comics were too

2:18:30

gay because of Batman and Robin, AND

2:18:33

SO THEY SET DOWN A BUNCH OF

2:18:35

RULES TO MAKE IT LESS GAY, LESS

2:18:38

OFFENSIVE, MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY. AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THE

2:18:40

RESTRICTION a lot

2:18:42

of creativity into the

2:18:43

medium. They don't exist anymore. Yes. Now,

2:18:45

this the next age is the bronze age, which is from nineteen seventy to nineteen

2:18:48

eighty five. And

2:18:51

that is the one we're

2:18:53

covering today. The precipitating event is many things, is Jack Kirby leaving Marvel for

2:18:56

DC or Gwen

2:19:00

Stacey killed in Spider Man

2:19:02

one twenty one. Mhmm. Interesting.

2:19:04

The next day after that

2:19:07

so we go to the next Superman, it will

2:19:09

be Superman, the Dark Age. The next one is

2:19:11

Dark and from eighty get grittier, they

2:19:17

get morally ambiguous, and sometimes they

2:19:19

stray into terrible bad juvenileism

2:19:21

while pretending to be mature

2:19:23

comics. Many people think that that starts

2:19:25

with either Christ's Earth's The Dark Knight returns slash Watchmen

2:19:27

depending on what you want. Yeah. Now the modern age two thousand to

2:19:33

now. And it's basically also

2:19:36

being called the Electrom Age

2:19:38

or the Digital Age, depending

2:19:40

on the rise of Digital

2:19:42

Comics. Sculptor a reboot age. But, basically, they're saying that it starts at two thousand because that is post the Marvel bankruptcy

2:19:49

also post the effects of the popping

2:19:51

of the speculator bubble. But the house people attribute the beginning of the modern age

2:19:55

in two thousand because they're a little

2:19:57

old movie called X Men. The popularity of superhero movies affecting comic books.

2:20:00

Oh, interesting. Yes. So

2:20:02

that are those

2:20:04

are all the ages

2:20:07

where you're talking about the bronze age

2:20:09

today? Nineteen seventy to nineteen eighty

2:20:11

five. Cool little fifteen years there. Now

2:20:13

just to let you know, we have

2:20:15

covered Superman twice. Episode 108

2:20:18

is Superman the Golden

2:20:19

Age. Episode 207 is Superman

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in the silver Age. And so it's

2:20:23

been a while. So about every kind

2:20:25

of episodes, we get to a Superman one,

2:20:28

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whatnot. We are behind on Batman. These episodes

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a lot of time. So yeah, that's

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the reason why. But now it's time for

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us to drop into Superman, the Bronze Age

2:20:41

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Now, Before we get to the bronze age, Ashley, we had to talk

2:21:27

about the silver age. Yeah. Give

2:21:31

you

2:21:32

a little recap. In the silver age,

2:21:34

Superman got his super pets. Yep. Name one of them.

2:21:38

Shriky. Who's Shriky? This

2:21:40

is super

2:21:41

girls cat. Yeah. Named Superman's Dog. Krypta. We're

2:21:43

gonna talk about him more. We learned about

2:21:46

in the Silver Age, we learned about all

2:21:48

the different forms of Kryptonite. So yeah. Superman

2:21:50

became red and blue for the very first time.

2:21:54

Mhmm. But now it's time for

2:21:56

change. This is a time for Superman

2:21:59

to become a little bit

2:22:01

more like the modern Superman that

2:22:03

we know. Interesting. Now let's talk about

2:22:05

some publication history for the bronze age.

2:22:07

Morte was the on Superman nineteen forty nineteen seventy Superman's

2:22:13

Weisinger -- Yep. -- was the editor throughout most

2:22:15

of the golden age

2:22:17

and most of the silver. Mhmm.

2:22:19

He wanted to make sure that

2:22:22

Superman was always kind of wacky because that way Superman would be considered

2:22:27

kid friendly. Mark Weisinger retired

2:22:29

in nineteen seventy and Julius Schwartz took over. Now,

2:22:31

in a later

2:22:34

interview, Mark Weisinger admitted that he

2:22:36

had grown out of touch with

2:22:39

newer readers. Julius Swartz basically wanted to

2:22:43

take away all the

2:22:45

additional elements of the superman mythos saying that this was

2:22:48

watering down superman. So

2:22:50

he didn't want the super

2:22:51

pets, he didn't want all the

2:22:53

ultimate cryptonians, he didn't want all the wacky. He just wanted to tell stories

2:22:55

about Superman. And

2:22:59

somewhere, the cells that would become

2:23:01

little Jason said, yes. Yes. Do any

2:23:03

grip tonnias.

2:23:05

Yes. Now, mister Schwartz's first

2:23:07

act was to get writers

2:23:09

like Denny O'Neil. Mhmm. Elliot s Megan, one of the most

2:23:11

important Superman writers of all time, and Carrie Bates to tone

2:23:16

down the weirdness and to bring in new

2:23:18

stories and themes. They wanted to remove overused plot elements such as robot, doppelgangers,

2:23:22

and eventually they

2:23:25

would change Clark

2:23:28

Kent's job. We will get to

2:23:30

that. Okay. Schwartz also scaled down

2:23:32

Superman's powers closer to the level that

2:23:34

was intended by Siegel and Schuster

2:23:37

the original Superman creators because they

2:23:39

did not want a Superman that

2:23:41

could punch a planet out of

2:23:43

orbit. Mhmm. So The bronze age of Superman's

2:23:46

you talking about the fictional publication history

2:23:48

now? Or, excuse me, the fictional history of the cast?

2:23:50

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It all started with the buyout.

2:23:54

Of the daily planet.

2:23:56

What? Now galaxy broadcasting system did

2:23:58

a corporate buyout of the daily planet.

2:24:03

Immediately in the bronzer is

2:24:05

reshuffling the traditional roles of the planet's reshuffling all the planet's

2:24:08

traditional roles by

2:24:11

their new owner, a man called

2:24:13

Morgan Edge. Mhmm. Now Morgan Edge is the president of the GBS,

2:24:16

the Globe galaxy

2:24:19

broadcasting system of course, and

2:24:21

he's secretly the leader of intergang.

2:24:23

And he became the president in

2:24:26

the controlling factor of the

2:24:28

Daily Planet by buying a lot

2:24:30

of Daily Planet

2:24:31

stock. Now Ashley, Can

2:24:34

you explain what EnterGang is? And

2:24:36

do you and do you know

2:24:38

the big secret of EnterGang? EnterGang is like an alien crime syndicate? Not

2:24:44

You're not cool. You're kinda

2:24:46

there. That's the best I got. And I'm gonna say that their secret is that they

2:24:52

worship all of Superman's Superman's, and they're really upset

2:24:55

that the editor for benching them. Intergang

2:25:00

is something that

2:25:01

I have heard reference, and I know I've

2:25:03

spoken about in lessons before. I've I

2:25:05

don't think I've ever read a story with

2:25:08

Intergang. Intergang is basically, like, think about the

2:25:10

mob and metropolis except they're sort of futuristic because they use all types of alien

2:25:13

weapons. They are humans. Okay. So it wasn't completely

2:25:16

right. They are based on metropolis. But they are

2:25:18

being funded by aliens. And that's That's

2:25:19

right. Yeah. The big secret

2:25:22

is that they're being funded by Dark

2:25:24

Side. Mhmm. Yes.

2:25:25

Dark Side is secretly using them to

2:25:27

mess with Superman. Yes. Because they do they are they're involved in all the fourth world Yes.

2:25:32

Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm gonna count

2:25:33

I'm gonna give myself half point for that. Like I said, you were close. I just had I just had the words in

2:25:35

the

2:25:35

wrong world. there. Yeah.

2:25:40

So

2:25:40

there we

2:25:41

go. Okay. But before we get to that, and I'll be entertaining this.

2:25:43

And Clark Kent's new job. Pretty

2:25:46

sure I know what is

2:25:47

this, Joe. You

2:25:48

probably know. We have

2:25:49

talked about it before. Yeah. There's a change

2:25:51

to kryptonite. Okay. In story nevermind. Is

2:25:55

it the pink Kryptonite that

2:25:58

makes

2:25:59

you gay? No. Actually, fun one. Besides your thoughts on pink overnight?

2:26:03

Yes. I wanna ask

2:26:04

you, I don't know if we've

2:26:06

talked about this on any of the podcast. And and three hundred episodes, it's getting hard to remember. Uh-huh. We're closing

2:26:11

on three hundred fifty. Wait. This might be episode

2:26:13

3II know you.

2:26:14

This is We're recording is ahead of time. Who knows what the number is? Yeah. Anyway, time. Back to kryptonite, the

2:26:21

more important number or element. Ashley,

2:26:23

I don't know your thoughts on kryptonite. What do you feel about kryptonite? Goofy, silly. Do you like it?

2:26:25

Is it a necessary part of Superman?

2:26:27

I'm giving you a lot of elements.

2:26:29

I I honestly don't know what you

2:26:32

think about

2:26:33

crypto night. I Are you concerned that

2:26:35

it's in our modern world and it could

2:26:37

ruin our lives? That keeps me up

2:26:39

by night. Does it because I know

2:26:41

you own a chunk of it. I do.

2:26:44

You own several chunks of cream on a plastic one and

2:26:46

a soap one and That's why it keeps me up at

2:26:48

night. I

2:26:51

think for a contemporary

2:26:53

audience -- Yes. -- I think

2:26:55

we're past it. So

2:26:59

you would get rid of Kryptonite altogether. I

2:27:01

would. Yeah. Because every time it shows up, my eyes roll

2:27:03

right out of my skull. Including

2:27:06

in

2:27:06

BVS. Mhmm. I was, like, freaking

2:27:08

real

2:27:09

Wait. Wait. What's beat versus

2:27:11

BVS? A Batman versus Superman. Colin,

2:27:13

Donna Justice, which is a

2:27:15

movie that I enjoy. Sure.

2:27:18

Donna and I think it

2:27:19

is silly. I think it is

2:27:22

a mark of when

2:27:23

it was created. Yes. Of

2:27:26

all those superman things that

2:27:28

are silly, It's probably the one that

2:27:30

I like the least. Like, I don't have

2:27:32

issues with the glasses as the identity hider. Mhmm.

2:27:34

The way III just think Kryptonite is

2:27:36

dumb. Okay.

2:27:37

That's a fair view point. But also, I

2:27:39

do understand that when you work with a

2:27:41

character with this type of legacy, you do

2:27:43

your best with traditions, and it is

2:27:45

a part of swimwear's

2:27:47

tradition. But, yeah, I think it's silly. How

2:27:49

about you?

2:27:49

I like

2:27:50

it, but

2:27:51

like the joke think it's Correct. And that why that is why I'm

2:27:53

a big fan

2:27:54

of this

2:27:55

CryptoKnife storyline by Denny O'Neil.

2:27:58

Alright. Tell me about it. So

2:28:01

Here's

2:28:01

the story line of Kryptonite nevermore. And you

2:28:03

know the story line of Kryptonite nevermore. And I

2:28:05

would say most of our listeners know this story because the cover

2:28:08

is Superman

2:28:10

wrapped in green chain. Oh, I love that color. Breaking

2:28:12

them

2:28:12

with this --

2:28:13

Yeah. -- they made a statue out of them. They made several statues of it. Osters of it. It's

2:28:15

it's a very famous and iconic image. And actually, I

2:28:19

would share it on the GHL

2:28:21

socials, so everyone gets to see it. It's a very very famous cover for more.

2:28:24

Now, In

2:28:27

Kryptonite, evermore. Superman helps out

2:28:30

with an experiment involving green Kryptonite as a new and alternative power source.

2:28:36

Of course because this is

2:28:38

comics, the experiment goes haywire

2:28:40

and the energy harnessing machine

2:28:43

explodes. Now to

2:28:45

stop this. Tries to contain the explosion, but he fails and is knocked out by

2:28:47

the full blast

2:28:52

of the explosion that is filled

2:28:54

with green kryptonite. But strangely, The

2:28:56

explosion also causes all forms

2:28:58

of kryptonite on earth to

2:29:01

transform into harmless iron. Which is

2:29:03

in turn interpreted by Superman is now he's like, oh, I'm basically invulnerable

2:29:09

now. Mhmm. So now Kryptonite

2:29:11

is gone. No longer in the Superman mythos. never see it

2:29:13

like a week. You'll

2:29:15

never see it again.

2:29:18

This is permanent. I'm so

2:29:20

happy

2:29:21

What a

2:29:22

relief. A pause by all the

2:29:24

comments with fans across the world. Kryptonite's gone

2:29:26

everybody. We don't have to worry about anymore.

2:29:29

Now

2:29:30

let's talk about Clark Kent's new

2:29:32

job. Okay. Clark

2:29:33

Kent. He's hired by Morgan Edge to be a television reporter --

2:29:35

Yeah. -- for WGBS,

2:29:39

and his first assignment is

2:29:41

to cover an experimental mailing

2:29:43

rocket that will travel from metropolis to Los Angeles. When Clark spots some

2:29:49

criminals who want their rocket for their own

2:29:51

purposes. He goes into

2:29:54

action as Superman. However, he

2:29:56

begins to notice that his

2:29:58

heat vision doesn't work. Right? It's all weird. As well as

2:30:02

he's not as strong as

2:30:04

he used to be. And when he

2:30:06

returns to metropolis, fulfilling his job reporting about the rocket launch, a

2:30:12

figure resembling Superman but Superman made

2:30:14

up of sand emerges from

2:30:17

where he had been laid

2:30:19

down on the ground following the

2:30:21

Kryptonite energy machine. Now remember, I told you about the Kryptonite

2:30:24

energy machine that

2:30:26

caused all Kryptonite across the world to

2:30:28

turn iron. From that very spot that Superman

2:30:30

hit the ground after the explosion, a

2:30:33

Superman made of dirt and particulates

2:30:36

and sand rose up out of the

2:30:38

ground. This Ashley is a new

2:30:41

character called

2:30:42

It's one thing. Nope. Allen

2:30:44

Moore. Nope. Sand

2:30:45

Superman. Oh, boy. They do

2:30:47

love to take Superman's powers

2:30:50

Superman's love to have

2:30:52

alternate Superman's. Now, actually, have you heard of this

2:30:54

figure? Not never not once. Well, this

2:30:57

is an entity consisting of psychic energy

2:30:59

from the world that we all know,

2:31:01

Quorum, Soil Soil from Earth and power siphoned from

2:31:04

Superman. This follows the

2:31:06

trend of having a Superman analog --

2:31:08

Mhmm. -- which we have lots of

2:31:10

this Superman robots, bizarro, composites, Superman. Yeah. It's an easy way to have somebody with Superman's

2:31:15

proportional strength. But this is also

2:31:18

the story element. That depowers him. Mhmm. This is where his energy drinks. So now he's

2:31:22

not as he's not punch a planet

2:31:24

out of more. Because smart.

2:31:26

Because the the portion of his

2:31:27

powers are now in this creature called Sam

2:31:31

Superman. Now, Sam

2:31:32

Superman will Beech and hurt Superman for about

2:31:34

the next year or so, but we're gonna

2:31:37

talk a little bit more about him. We're

2:31:39

not gonna talk about every story with him,

2:31:41

but but I just wanted to set up that he's out there now until I

2:31:43

tell you that he's gone, okay. Yep.

2:31:46

So Great. And even he wants to sit in

2:31:48

a fan work fan artwork of Sand

2:31:49

Superman's. Please go ahead. Make us

2:31:50

a sand sculpture. I want a

2:31:51

action figure of Sand

2:31:54

Superman's

2:31:54

can tell

2:31:55

you that. Alright. McFarlane, get

2:31:56

on it. Then Superman met

2:31:58

the forever people. Oh,

2:32:01

a Jack Kirby

2:32:02

creation. Now, Ashley, And you're

2:32:05

about half close on inner gain. Let's see if you can get

2:32:07

half close on the forever people.

2:32:10

Who are the forever people? The forever people

2:32:12

was this like twenty twelve CW show

2:32:14

that I think went for two seasons

2:32:17

that had some tie in

2:32:19

digital

2:32:19

comics. It's true, actually. Now, this

2:32:22

is

2:32:22

not the ones you're I

2:32:24

don't know. Really ACW

2:32:27

show? Yes.

2:32:27

And it's

2:32:28

not tied to this. Oh, so

2:32:30

weird. Which is what's crazy. I don't anything about them. forever people. who live forever, from tomorrow. Now have to back

2:32:32

up

2:32:37

a little bit to tell you about the forever you can.

2:32:39

The patriarch of the planet, New

2:32:43

Genesis, Isiah, engaged in a social

2:32:45

experiment wherein he selected five random individuals from different

2:32:47

points in Earth's history

2:32:50

and brought them to NewGenesis. These

2:32:52

five children were named beautiful, Dreamer,

2:32:54

moon rider, Big

2:32:55

Bear, not the mountain, Sarafan and

2:32:58

Beacon. Dreamer, the character

2:32:59

that eventually got put on

2:33:01

Supergirl? I'm not certain. That's fine. And grew up as

2:33:03

close friends and eventually

2:33:05

began to refer themselves as the forever

2:33:07

people. Now this also might be a

2:33:10

good place to explain Jack Kirby's, the new gods, just in case anybody doesn't know.

2:33:15

The new gods are natives of

2:33:17

the Twin Plancets of NewGenesis and

2:33:19

apocalypse. New Genesis is an idyllic planet filled with unswooled forests and

2:33:24

rivers and beauties and ruled

2:33:26

by the benevolent, hi father. Basically, thanks Zeus the big old beard nest half. While apocalypse,

2:33:29

and that's AP0K0LIPS,

2:33:36

so lips is a nightmarish

2:33:38

polluted and ruined world with

2:33:41

machinery, fire pits and

2:33:43

is ruled by dark side. Fink Thanos, but

2:33:46

cooler. Now, the two planets were

2:33:48

once part of the same world.

2:33:50

They were actually a planet called Ergard

2:33:52

or groomed, excuse me, which is German

2:33:54

for preapproval ground, but it was eventually

2:33:56

split apart a millennial ago after the

2:33:58

death of the old gods during Ragnerrock. These

2:34:01

characters are office called The New

2:34:03

Gods, and they were collectively referred

2:34:05

to as Jack Kirby's fourth

2:34:07

world.

2:34:07

They're great. By

2:34:07

the way, beautiful dreamer and dreamer not the same character. I'm an Yes. So Superman's, while

2:34:10

searching out for the

2:34:12

forever people to investigate

2:34:14

their claims of coming from

2:34:16

a Supertown was

2:34:18

motivated by allowing to be

2:34:20

among people that knew what

2:34:22

it was like to be super.

2:34:26

Now, again, you could already hear the Denny

2:34:29

O'Neil sort of deeper characters like this. This is a Superman that's worried about his heart. This

2:34:31

is not a Superman that is worried about his bronze

2:34:36

in his brains and kinda trick Lois Lane into

2:34:39

thinking I'm not fart cat. Yeah. He's

2:34:41

worried about his legacy in his place in

2:34:43

the world. Exactly. He's kinda lonely. Mhmm. So

2:34:45

Superman got more than he bargained for when he learned of

2:34:47

the existence of

2:34:50

Dark Sight and Dark Sight's ambitions

2:34:52

for the anti life equation on

2:34:54

earth. Darcceed. Now Superman and this other character named Superman's

2:34:58

Infinity Man fought side by

2:35:00

side against Dark Side's gravigars

2:35:02

and liberated beautiful dreamer, one of the forever people -- Mhmm. -- from dark side's clutches. Out

2:35:07

of gratitude for Superman's help, their forever

2:35:10

people opened a boom tube showing him new genesis so that Superman could see this town

2:35:12

that they were from

2:35:15

for himself. The man

2:35:18

is still declined to visit

2:35:20

knowing that as long as monsters like

2:35:22

Dark Sight

2:35:23

existed, his first responsibility would be to protect

2:35:25

Earth. Oh, what a sweet boy? It's a very nice

2:35:27

story. Right? Yeah. It is.

2:35:30

Then we get a

2:35:32

Superman's team up. Oh,

2:35:34

boy. Clark Kent, and Jimmy Olsen got

2:35:38

together and they decided to confront

2:35:40

their new boss, Morgan Edge, about suspicious

2:35:42

details of his activities when he was found to have implied ties

2:35:47

to intergang. I remember

2:35:49

them. Mhmm. And in retaliation against their inquiries, Morgan

2:35:51

Edge sent them to investigate a craft from

2:35:56

apocalypse, which had landed in metropolis park,

2:35:58

kind of the central park Yeah. for trap Clark

2:36:04

and Jimmy and send them to apocalypse

2:36:06

to be killed. Now, honestly, I think

2:36:08

there are way easier ways to kill

2:36:10

Jimmy

2:36:11

Olsen.

2:36:11

But particularly Jimmy Olsen. But Morgan

2:36:13

Edge has his plans and only Clark actually fell victim

2:36:15

to the scenario, Jimmy was able to escape because

2:36:20

Jimmy is super cool. Now Edge

2:36:22

sent Bruno Manheim, the gangster. Oh,

2:36:24

yeah. She is in charge of

2:36:27

anything. Thanks, sir. Yeah. To finish

2:36:29

off Jimmy, but the Guardian, who

2:36:31

is a yellow and blue sort of

2:36:33

clone who is also a member

2:36:35

of Jira Curry's fourth world, rescued

2:36:37

Jimmy Olsen. In the apocalyptic kraft,

2:36:40

Clark caught his first glimpse of the

2:36:42

first of the Twin World's New

2:36:44

Genesis and apocalypse. But fortunately, Light

2:36:46

Ray another good new god -- Yep. -- intercept to the craft and sent Clark back

2:36:52

to Metropolis with a boom tube.

2:36:54

But This was not the end of the apocalypse cold war with Dark

2:36:56

Sight. And as you can

2:36:58

see, if you are a

2:37:00

fan of Superman's animated

2:37:02

series -- Mhmm. -- that Bruce Tim got

2:37:05

a lot of inspiration

2:37:06

from this storyline from the

2:37:08

bronze age. Because the bronze

2:37:10

age is the introduction of the

2:37:13

fourth world, and the

2:37:15

bronze age is the

2:37:17

introduction of Superman's antagonist being

2:37:19

Dark Side. Mhmm. Now, The

2:37:22

man whom the daily plan of

2:37:24

staff knew as Morgan Edge was

2:37:26

revealed to actually be a program clone of the real Morgan Edge. And

2:37:31

he was supposed to put the resources

2:37:33

of the Galaxy broadcasting corporate empire at the disposal or, excuse me, and at the whim of Dark

2:37:35

Site Quest for the anti life equation. Now,

2:37:41

after being created and officially implanted with

2:37:43

the copied memories of

2:37:45

the real edge, the clone was

2:37:47

commanded by Dark Sight to execute

2:37:50

the original Morgan Edge, but the clone couldn't go through it to it because he had a conscious.

2:37:56

Now, the Edge Clone instead had

2:37:58

a secret soundproof room built into his pet house suite to contain and to trap

2:38:03

the real Morgan Edge that was actually

2:38:05

hidden behind a large one way

2:38:07

mirror. And the real Morgan Edge escaped from its one way mirror, from

2:38:10

its captivity, and

2:38:13

the qualm began

2:38:16

executing multiple creative schemes intended to

2:38:18

basically capture the real Morgan Edge.

2:38:20

As this clown knew that Dark

2:38:23

Sight would kill him dead if

2:38:26

he found out that the Real Morgan

2:38:28

Edge had escaped. All of these schemes failed because

2:38:30

of Superman's interference. And eventually, the Real Morgan Edge took refuge at a communal

2:38:35

farm until he was safe for

2:38:37

him to return as being the

2:38:39

head in the charge of the GBS. But the

2:38:43

death of the evil Clone Morgan Edge

2:38:45

and his replacement as the owner of the Daily

2:38:47

Planet by the Real Edge marked

2:38:50

a significant hiccup in the unfolding

2:38:52

of Dark Side's plans for Earth as much of

2:38:54

the interest of apocalypse and metropolis were actually being led

2:38:59

by Morgan Edge as Morgan

2:39:01

Edge was real to be

2:39:03

the leader Bruno Manheim. One,

2:39:08

it's very funny. Do you think

2:39:10

that Morgan Edge went to live on a commune? Mhmm. And two, I understand

2:39:12

now why

2:39:15

you brought up Jack Kirby leaving

2:39:17

to go to DC because we're talking about an awful lot about Kirby crazy

2:39:19

fourth world. We are. We are. We

2:39:24

are. I mean, I knew Dark Side

2:39:26

was a huge like, he's in

2:39:29

I would I would count Superman's

2:39:31

Superman's Rogue's

2:39:31

gallery. I didn't realize that they tied

2:39:34

together so quickly. Most, like, right out

2:39:36

the gate. Yes. Most of the seventies,

2:39:38

dark side is kind of the

2:39:40

real villain of Superman. Mhmm. And he I think it's

2:39:42

because he was the new big bad. And

2:39:46

a literal big bad. Like, he looks

2:39:48

badass, fighting Superman. Yes. And also, I

2:39:50

think the interesting and smart things

2:39:52

about this is that he's fighting

2:39:54

Superman on two levels because only

2:39:56

a Superman fighting the Parodemos with

2:39:58

his fist, but Clark Ken is

2:40:00

having to fight all the machinations

2:40:03

of Mordin Edge in real world

2:40:04

metropolis. Yes, exactly. And

2:40:05

even within the confines of his job and his

2:40:08

day to day life, it's

2:40:10

very smart. Now I wanna tell

2:40:11

you a story About

2:40:12

the fourth world?

2:40:13

No. About a hundred thousand year old

2:40:16

Superman. Okay.

2:40:16

Is he living in the sun? Nope.

2:40:19

The time trapper a legion of

2:40:21

superhero equivalent, covertly induces Superman to

2:40:23

use a defective time bubble, a

2:40:25

time traveling device of the Legion

2:40:27

superheroes. To journey to the year,

2:40:29

one hundred and one thousand nine hundred and seventy a

2:40:31

d. And okay.

2:40:34

And places a time barrier behind

2:40:36

him. Which prevents Superman from flying back or

2:40:38

doing any of his time travel tricks

2:40:41

to return to his proper era.

2:40:43

Now Superman ages because of the

2:40:45

defunct time bubble. Mhmm. And

2:40:47

so he becomes a hundred thousand years old. And although He

2:40:51

is still powerful enough to defeat an

2:40:53

enemy menace in that era, and he goes further into the future, where

2:40:55

he sees three superheroes at time that immunizing

2:41:00

him to kryptonite, magic, and red suns.

2:41:02

Now Superman, this is a very interesting journey, and the reason why I'm talking about this is because Superman decides to travel even further

2:41:09

into the future, in which super powers are outlawed due to

2:41:12

a disaster involving

2:41:14

three superheroes of the past, there's three

2:41:16

superheroes that I talked about. Mhmm. And he gets

2:41:18

to learn what happens in a world without Superman to

2:41:22

the other supporting characters. He learns that

2:41:24

Lois Lane Mary is a very famous

2:41:26

actor, He learns that Jimmy writes a book called My Years with

2:41:27

Superman. Mhmm. He

2:41:31

learns that Perry White creates the

2:41:33

Superman Museum

2:41:33

I wanna ask you is the big three of Superman supporting cast.

2:41:36

Do you

2:41:38

do those track with what you know

2:41:40

about those

2:41:40

characters? Would those be fitting

2:41:42

in? I think the Perry White one is kinda the most out there. Mhmm.

2:41:46

Actually,

2:41:46

I think the lowest one's the most out

2:41:48

there. But I think they're all correct. Who's

2:41:51

the act I won. I He's a fake makeup. Yeah. I I mean, of course, he's a he's a fake DC universe

2:41:53

actor. But, you know,

2:41:55

you're just like, oh,

2:41:57

I wonder who that

2:42:00

would be. I could see Lois getting married.

2:42:02

Mhmm. I don't I don't have an issue with

2:42:04

the fact that she gets married. I don't know if

2:42:06

she would marry which is not to say that

2:42:09

A movie star and actor is not

2:42:11

in person of

2:42:12

substance, but I would expect Lois Lane to marry

2:42:14

like a real smarty pants. And maybe he

2:42:16

is. Yeah. No. I

2:42:18

don't think any of those are super out

2:42:20

there. I do like the idea that of Jimmy's

2:42:22

memoir, and I do believe that Jimmy would write

2:42:25

that memoir even after Superman's even

2:42:28

if Superman didn't leave at an untimely

2:42:30

point in their

2:42:30

history. I agree. Now, during the store storyline

2:42:34

keeps going further and further into the

2:42:36

future. He rescues some astronauts in the year eight hundred

2:42:38

one thousand AD. He goes to the year one million.

2:42:42

And terraforms and repopulates a barren earth,

2:42:45

he survives the attack of a drone weapon powered

2:42:47

by the dead intellect of Lex Luther and

2:42:50

then he is helplessly thrown through the

2:42:52

time barrier even further into the future by a comet. And

2:42:54

Superman eventually thinks I'm just gonna keep going until the universe verse

2:43:00

ends because I can't go back in

2:43:02

the past. However, when he reaches the end of time and he notices all the universe to black,

2:43:08

Superman himself can't stay conscious

2:43:10

and he blacks out. When

2:43:13

he wakes up, he

2:43:16

loosely sees his birth, his childhood,

2:43:19

his boyhood, his adulthood, until

2:43:21

he returned to the point

2:43:23

which and he first took

2:43:25

the time trip. After which, the time lines diverge,

2:43:27

he's dumped back into regular time

2:43:30

and he's free to live out his

2:43:32

normal life again. And he figures out

2:43:34

the reason this must happen is because time curves on itself and he

2:43:38

figures that he has received a second chance

2:43:40

and he's never gonna give that up again.

2:43:42

Dan, they must've been reading a lot of Barry Allen flash comments when he came up with this. It's very sweet

2:43:44

and yet

2:43:45

sad story. Yeah. It

2:43:47

almost sounds

2:43:48

like an elf worlds in

2:43:50

a lot of ways.

2:43:51

See that. But enough of that

2:43:53

time travel nonsense, it's time to

2:43:55

check-in with Crypto, the super dog, Ashley. Hell

2:43:58

yeah. Who's that? And why do we like

2:44:00

him?

2:44:02

Khrypto is a yellow lab who

2:44:04

apparently lived on Krypton and got He's on

2:44:06

a yellow lab. He is. He's a white dog.

2:44:10

I mean, he'd if you were a real dog, he'd

2:44:12

be a yellow He's a yellow lab. What's the

2:44:14

real crypt though? The one that they used in the Titans? Do you know? A yellow lab. Is he

2:44:15

really? Yeah. I

2:44:18

think he's a mod actually because he's smaller than a

2:44:20

lab, but Kryptonite always looks like a lab that

2:44:22

they just haven't colored it. Listeners, this goes to show my knowledge of dogs. I didn't realize that, like, a white skin dog

2:44:27

or white fur dog could still be a

2:44:29

yellow lap? Oh, yeah. Especially female labs tend to later. Yeah. So crypto actually probably a girl. I learned something. There

2:44:32

you go. Crypto

2:44:37

is a crypto is a kryptonian dog

2:44:39

of indeterminate species

2:44:41

who was sent to Earth

2:44:43

to be a companion to

2:44:46

bitty superman And he wears a cape and he's a super

2:44:47

dog. He's the goodest boy. Yes. He is the goodest boy. He's the

2:44:49

superest boy. Yeah. Now after

2:44:51

the nineteen seventy one revamp

2:44:54

of Superman by editor Julius

2:44:55

Schwartz, remember for? Mhmm. Crypto basically

2:44:58

made no appearances for several years. No.

2:45:00

Sweet, baby, he's the only crypto and streaky

2:45:02

are the only super pets that I think.

2:45:06

We should have. It was explained

2:45:08

away in Superman continuity that crypto was

2:45:10

missing and that Superman couldn't find him. Hence, the reason

2:45:12

for

2:45:14

none of his appearances.

2:45:15

You got, like, lost in a well

2:45:17

or something? Intel, action comic number 441, the storyline called

2:45:19

The Mystery of the

2:45:22

Wandering Dog -- Four four. -- one, I'm gonna

2:45:24

share this cover whatever it is. Now, at the time, actually,

2:45:26

you just have to know that action comics had

2:45:29

two story lines. And I believe this is the backup

2:45:31

storyline. So we cover I don't think Well, then first Well,

2:45:33

then I will find a I'll find a panel for you guys to share. Now

2:45:35

in this storyline, green

2:45:38

arrow in black and airy

2:45:40

-- Mhmm. -- try to unveil

2:45:42

the mystery of the illusion projector created by professor

2:45:45

steel graves. Both are aged by

2:45:48

a ray in steel graves hideout,

2:45:50

but they are saved when crypto the super

2:45:52

dog breaks in

2:45:54

and destroys the machine, which

2:45:56

allows green arrow to capture

2:45:58

the villain. Sure. When Still Grey's calls Crypto, that blasted super dog

2:46:03

Green arrow and black canary

2:46:05

realize that the dog is actually crypto who

2:46:07

they knew was missing. But

2:46:11

this crypto is amnesiac, so he doesn't

2:46:13

remember that he's a super dog. And he actually runs off, and all Green Arrow

2:46:15

can do is call it

2:46:19

a car cat and tell him that, hey, I saw

2:46:21

your dog. He's on the loose. Where is he? I

2:46:23

know. is cell don't where right fat, fat, cats.

2:46:29

Eventually, Crypto's memory was restored in nineteen seventy five. Superman

2:46:31

number two eighty Superman's. Oh,

2:46:34

thank goodness. Fast in a two thousand

2:46:36

six interview, why he liberated crypto

2:46:38

from the limbo kennel.writer Elliot

2:46:42

s Meghan said, and

2:46:44

I quote, a man needs a

2:46:47

dog, a superman needs

2:46:49

a

2:46:50

super dog. Because he's the

2:46:52

goodest boy. I think it's so cool. Elias

2:46:54

says Meganyan, one of the great superman writers of all time. That's very sweet. I like that a lot.

2:46:56

No. Ashley,

2:46:59

we're gonna talk about something that

2:47:01

I think many comic book fans don't know about. Very important

2:47:03

event in Superman's Life. Kashmir

2:47:07

has at the center of

2:47:09

the events in the phenomenon

2:47:11

known miracle thirsty Thursday

2:47:14

Whoa. Ashley. Yeah. What do

2:47:16

you

2:47:17

think

2:47:17

Thursday Thursday Thursday is? I I wanted it to be

2:47:19

the Justice League for forming

2:47:23

in a magic mic style show

2:47:26

at a local bar, wherein you get you are thirsty, but you can

2:47:28

also

2:47:31

acquire a cheap drink, but I just

2:47:33

know that's not it. It is not. Especially in the bran thing. But let's

2:47:35

find out. And listeners, I picked I

2:47:39

picked the story because I'd forgotten about the

2:47:41

story. And then when I heard the title,

2:47:43

different your children. Okay.

2:47:48

Alright. Thursday Thursday

2:47:50

is a subject of devoted

2:47:54

steady by chronicles of the future

2:47:56

centuries and millennia ahead of us as

2:47:58

one of the truly scientific inexplicable occurrences in the history of mankind. On

2:48:04

Wednesday, August twentieth. It was

2:48:06

the date of an infamous

2:48:09

tenement place, and all of

2:48:11

the people of Metropolis spontaneously

2:48:13

developed a pathological disgust of

2:48:16

water. And they fell asleep

2:48:18

for a twenty four hour

2:48:20

period, then awakened on the following day

2:48:22

with an incredible thirst upon

2:48:23

them. Hence, the nomenclature of

2:48:28

thirsty Thursday. Okay. Now dozens

2:48:30

of time travelers from these

2:48:33

distant future time periods

2:48:35

came to Metropolis to

2:48:38

watch this epic thirsty event. To see it and to divine the

2:48:40

true nature of

2:48:43

what exactly had

2:48:46

happened. Yet, when they

2:48:48

came, Two, these

2:48:49

heiress --

2:48:51

Mhmm. -- they left

2:48:54

not knowing the answer. Mhmm.

2:48:57

And this

2:48:57

is why. The truth of the

2:48:59

so called miracle of Thursday Thursday was

2:49:02

the spell of citywide hydrophobia was caused by Star Lab scientist

2:49:04

doctor Larry

2:49:06

Ishmael who dropped the bile

2:49:08

containing his serum being developed

2:49:10

clandestinely by Star Labs for exactly that purpose. When he dropped it, trace

2:49:16

particles of the volatile

2:49:18

vapor spread out and affected everyone in metropolis. Now,

2:49:23

Doctor Ishmael consumed what he mistakenly

2:49:25

took to be an antidote, but was in

2:49:27

fact a psychoactive drug that temporary turned ishmail

2:49:31

into his Superman's wild

2:49:33

man and sent him on a

2:49:35

wild man rampage across metropolis.

2:49:38

Do you think

2:49:38

they'll adapt this in the CW Superman and

2:49:40

Lois episode? I hope

2:49:41

this is Man is still too, and we're not

2:49:43

even done yet. Alright.

2:49:45

Overhearing Star Lab's director doctor Wilson

2:49:47

Far discussing that only twenty four

2:49:49

hours of constant rest or

2:49:51

perpetual physical simulation could negate the perpetual,

2:49:53

the single stimulation. Oh, boy. Thursday,

2:49:56

Thursday, everybody.

2:49:57

Yeah. I really. Yeah. I

2:49:59

was talking Because of that, those are

2:50:01

the only things that could infect

2:50:04

could negate the effects of the

2:50:06

hydrophobia serum, Superman, placed and detonated tens of

2:50:09

sleeping gas canisters throughout the

2:50:11

municipal sewer system, putting all

2:50:13

residents of metropolis at the same

2:50:16

time, including the

2:50:18

covert time travelers who came

2:50:20

back to Washington in a day

2:50:22

long sleep spell. My dream, only ishmael.

2:50:26

Was immune to the gas due

2:50:28

to his crazy wild man psychology,

2:50:30

and therefore fought Superman for twenty four hours straight before

2:50:34

his condition could return to normal. Okay.

2:50:37

That's kinda cool. When all was said and

2:50:39

done, Superman allowed only two other individuals to become privy

2:50:42

to the knowledge of what had truly happened on

2:50:44

Thursday, Thursday. Who can

2:50:45

I guess? Well, no, it's

2:50:46

it's the two scientists. It's Larry Ishmael and we're well, so far. Damn.

2:50:50

Are you I mean, I was gonna be, like, oh, no,

2:50:52

Jimmy and Lois. I was I honestly, I was gonna

2:50:54

make

2:50:54

a joke, but No. Jimmy and Lois were two Thursday on the Thursday.

2:50:57

They were

2:50:57

they were engaging in perpetual physical simulations. We

2:50:59

can only help. Now none of the three men

2:51:01

revealed the secret to another soul for as long as

2:51:04

they lived, which created the legend throughout

2:51:06

time as the mystery of Thursday

2:51:07

Thursday. I just didn't live that long because then

2:51:09

folks could

2:51:09

still be alive and I've never heard of it. And like I said,

2:51:11

I think we all know

2:51:14

we're all thinking. I think that's the season

2:51:16

finale of season one episode, Manolos. Hell yeah.

2:51:18

You know, and also with the Star Labs, I'm just saying Mark Guggenheim were very employable.

2:51:22

It could it could time to

2:51:25

flash super easy. It could. So

2:51:27

there you go. Now, we're gonna talk a little bit more about WGBS. Oh,

2:51:32

that's like w g Fields.

2:51:34

WGBS. I'm reporting the traffic over my trouble s. On the Swan Bridge, it's pretty packed, but Superman

2:51:36

is flying

2:51:42

over a car from the Seagull

2:51:44

pier and the Schuster

2:51:46

Airport, and it's gonna

2:51:48

be cleared

2:51:49

up pretty soon. Hey, Graham.

2:51:51

Three of WGBs' TV

2:51:57

Newscasters, accepted

2:51:58

employment at their rivals, the UBC, the United Broadcasting

2:52:01

Company. Oh, it

2:52:02

was like the University of British

2:52:04

Columbia. And that's led Morgan Edge

2:52:06

to promote Clark to only he's the but now the associate producer

2:52:09

of all GBS's news

2:52:11

programming. With the objective

2:52:13

of fishing for new

2:52:15

journalistic talent in the verbal

2:52:18

ocean and ascertaining the fidelity of all

2:52:20

WGBs' on air personalities to the company. So now --

2:52:22

This is -- -- Clarkin as a producer.

2:52:26

It's getting further and further away. It's an

2:52:28

associate producer. You know, it's not been an EP. Yep. It's been

2:52:30

a ten o'clock. And this is we're gonna talk about

2:52:31

a little bit of this because this this

2:52:35

new promotion factors into what I think

2:52:37

is one of the greatest Superman stories of all time. It happened in Superman

2:52:39

issues number two ninety six to two ninety nine Storyline

2:52:45

called who took the super out

2:52:47

of Superman's. Now

2:52:50

Superman in the

2:52:52

storyline met his greatest challenge. It

2:52:54

was not an external force but

2:52:57

a identity crisis as the last

2:52:59

son of Krypton was forced to

2:53:02

figure out who is the real self, Clark Kent or Superman? The eternal

2:53:07

question. Yes. Now Clark lost

2:53:09

his powers. And was knocked unconscious upon and was

2:53:11

knocked unconscious upon

2:53:14

collision with a speeding car

2:53:16

in the men metropolis

2:53:18

street. When he awoke in the hospital, Clark switched to his hidden Superman costume

2:53:22

to leave the building while having to

2:53:25

answer any questions about his you know, not having injuries or

2:53:27

whatever. Clark returned to his apartment, and on the way home, he

2:53:31

got attacked by a killer robot that was sent

2:53:33

after him by

2:53:34

intergang. Now

2:53:34

deducing that he still possessed his powers as

2:53:37

Superman with Superman's suddenly lose

2:53:40

them as Clark for some

2:53:42

reason, and hypothesizing that the phenomenon might do. Be due to

2:53:46

a cognitive innocence, excuse me, dissonance

2:53:48

from juggling the demands of a

2:53:50

double life Clark decided to spend one full week in his

2:53:55

civilian identity without his powers.

2:53:58

Now, know that's a little confusing here. I want to basically say, after this accident, if he's Clark

2:54:03

Kent, he doesn't have powers. Mhmm. If he's

2:54:05

Superman, he has powers. K? So Clark was like, I'm

2:54:07

gonna live a life as unpowered Clark Kent.

2:54:10

So he spent

2:54:14

the entire week as

2:54:16

Clark Kent. Mhmm. So without

2:54:18

the need to act as the

2:54:20

timid persona of Clark Kent that defects suspicions

2:54:22

as a Superman Identity because Superman not

2:54:26

be seen for the next seven

2:54:28

days. Yep. Clark found himself acting

2:54:31

more assertive and confident in all of his relationships in an improved many

2:54:35

of his relationships with his GBS

2:54:37

coworkers including Morgan Edge and Steve Lombard. And it actually

2:54:39

ended up turning on

2:54:43

lowest lane. She likes

2:54:45

a confident man. Yep. For

2:54:47

his part, Clark fully embraced Lois' advances. He's finally. And

2:54:53

for the first time he embraces Jimmy.

2:54:55

In Superman history, it

2:54:58

is openly hinted that Clark

2:55:00

Kent and Lois Lane spent

2:55:02

several passionate nights together. We

2:55:06

ship it. Inside Clark

2:55:09

Kent's apartment, Do you know the street address of Clark Kent's first apartment?

2:55:11

It's very it's kind of very famous.

2:55:13

You may not. You may not

2:55:15

One eight hundred good guy lanes. I don't I don't

2:55:17

know. No. It is 344

2:55:20

Clinton Street. I I didn't

2:55:22

know that. Oh, well, everyone

2:55:25

out there, if classically, this is the address of Clark

2:55:27

Kent's apartment. So if you're ever in a trivia game, they ask you, what

2:55:29

is the apartment of Clark Kent's address?

2:55:31

Or Clark what's the address of

2:55:33

Clark Kent's apartment? I guarantee you this

2:55:35

is the

2:55:36

answer. 344 Clinton Street. One

2:55:38

eight hundred good guy laid. What's doctor

2:55:40

shortages? Something Bleaker Street? Seventeen hundred? Who knows? It's

2:55:42

it's one twenty 2BI think. Bleaker Street.

2:55:46

Well, 221B

2:55:47

is Sherlock's. I think it's one twenty two b.

2:55:49

Whatever. This is not the doctor's name. This is not the doctor's name. Who

2:55:52

cares? So Even

2:55:54

without his powers, Clark, with

2:55:56

the power of his

2:55:57

producing, resolve Every producers like nodding their heads in their eyes

2:56:00

right now. I

2:56:03

know the one thing to stop the

2:56:05

gang, powers of the video editor. I mean, let's not knock video editors. Yes. Hi, Adam. I was a video editor.

2:56:08

That's true.

2:56:13

Yes. So Clark learned the location

2:56:15

of the syndicate's rolling office

2:56:17

from an underworldstoolie, and he

2:56:19

incapacitated a leadership with an

2:56:21

anti gravity device Borrowed from Professor Parrot Pepperwinkle, which is a super

2:56:23

main character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:56:27

So Clark Kent was effective at helping

2:56:30

to take out inner game. Now once the seven days of being Clark Kenneth passed, to

2:56:33

only being Superman

2:56:36

for

2:56:37

the next seven

2:56:39

days. So At

2:56:42

the time, Superman cleared intergang hoods off

2:56:44

the street -- Mhmm. -- with the greater efficiency

2:56:46

because he was working twenty four hours a day.

2:56:49

Because but because Clark Kent

2:56:51

was nowhere to be found, the

2:56:54

DA's case against Intergang's leader, Max

2:56:56

Denver, was missing its

2:56:58

star witness. Lois began to

2:57:00

speculate that intergang

2:57:02

had kidnapped Clark Kent. And Superman fought

2:57:05

Superman's upstart super villain named

2:57:07

Solar Man. But the pressure of serving

2:57:09

as a twenty four hour seven Superior proved

2:57:11

to be too exhausting to endure and it turned out even

2:57:15

a superman has the same psychological needs

2:57:18

as any other man and his secret identity was needed to anchor the ordinary life

2:57:20

that provided him with stability.

2:57:22

And at the end of

2:57:25

the week, Durban concluded that

2:57:27

both parts of him were Clark Kent

2:57:29

and Superman, and they represented

2:57:31

equally valid and valuable parts. And

2:57:33

no one was more the true self

2:57:35

than the other. That's

2:57:38

very interesting that both of them

2:57:40

are valid because I definitely think

2:57:42

that I have an opinion about

2:57:45

which is the real

2:57:45

man. And I know you do too. Well, we'll get

2:57:47

to it in just a second. I wanna talk about this in just a

2:57:50

second. But I wanna talk about this little fun storyline because Superman had hardly any time to con

2:57:52

to played

2:57:55

the significance of these events

2:57:57

because he caught an image of

2:57:59

nine of his deadliest enemies. Lex

2:58:02

Luther, brainiac, mister mental split, like,

2:58:04

Tara Man, the Toy Man, the Parasite, Amelok, the

2:58:06

prankster, and the Kryptonite Man formerly known as the Kryptonite King.

2:58:11

When they convened

2:58:13

together inside his

2:58:15

apartment. What? Now, as Suzanne discovered, The

2:58:20

reason for why he seemed to lose

2:58:22

his powers when he was Clark Kent

2:58:25

was not

2:58:26

psychological, but rather all of the

2:58:28

suits in his apartment his carte

2:58:30

suit had been chemically contaminated.

2:58:34

And Superman soon pieced

2:58:36

together with the

2:58:38

culprit was his mysterious next door

2:58:39

neighbor, mister Xavier, who was in

2:58:42

actuality an alien agent

2:58:44

of destruction sent to

2:58:47

demolish

2:58:47

the earth. In a thirty year time period by a

2:58:50

cutthroat in a galactic transportation company, someone had read

2:58:52

the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. I'm gonna say I

2:58:54

was gonna say, is he bald and in a wheelchair?

2:58:57

Were still by luring Superman, Sumit,

2:59:00

luring Superman to his apartment by conjuring

2:59:02

the assembly. It was only an image.

2:59:05

Of the building. Xavier had exposed

2:59:07

Superman to potent energies that would cause

2:59:09

his body to erupt in an explosion and destroy

2:59:12

the world once

2:59:14

he had defeated the last of the

2:59:16

villains. Now Xavier teamed the villains and spared them off to

2:59:18

a faraway location to give himself enough time to leave earth

2:59:23

prior to his own dead

2:59:25

nation. But luckily for the

2:59:27

human race, Superman, because of Superman, realized what Xavier he what Xavier had

2:59:33

done. And before it was too late, he managed away

2:59:35

to down the nine

2:59:38

villans and to catch Xavier without

2:59:40

annihilating the planet. And thus ends

2:59:42

the story Who took the super out of Superman? Now, actually, let's talk

2:59:43

about this question here. Yeah.

2:59:46

Who is the real

2:59:48

identity? Is there

2:59:49

a real identity? Is the

2:59:52

question mute? Clark or Superman,

2:59:54

is this not

2:59:55

even a

2:59:55

question? Let's talk about this whole. Let's

2:59:57

talk about this whole rigmarole right here. Ultimately,

3:00:00

with all with all

3:00:02

characters of dual person I, and that's

3:00:04

not just superheroes. Superiors are just the easiest representation

3:00:06

of that. Right? That can be detectives, that can be, like,

3:00:10

any any character can have

3:00:12

multiple personality facets. Right? But

3:00:15

for superheroes in particular, the answer is both. Right?

3:00:18

Because we are complex human beings, and they

3:00:21

are reflections of us. Therefore, they are also complex human beings. But with Superman,

3:00:23

I always came down more on the argument of its Clark

3:00:27

Kent. Like, he is the Farm Boy

3:00:30

from Kansas. Mhmm. Absolutely. Whereas with Batman, I understand the debate a little bit more, but with Superman, I'm like,

3:00:32

no. He's Superman's

3:00:37

Clark. The Clark is who this man is. So I don't know

3:00:39

if you have any different feelings.

3:00:42

It's so funny because I kinda believe the

3:00:44

opposite. I believe that Superman is actually who

3:00:46

he really is. Mhmm. And Clark is sort of a persona

3:00:51

that he puts on.

3:00:53

Because he's not goofy and he's not timid and he's not

3:00:55

silly. Superman is who

3:00:58

he is. Superman is the Clark that

3:01:00

came from small He is timid though because,

3:01:02

like, look at how he treats, like, Lois?

3:01:06

Yes and no. But I

3:01:08

They are both Clark Kent. That

3:01:10

is one hundred percent true.

3:01:13

But I do feel that Clark

3:01:15

Kent is the exaggerated him. Okay.

3:01:17

I I was fine. Because if you notice for me, it's like

3:01:19

every time no.

3:01:22

I'll tell you this. I think he likes

3:01:24

being Clark Kent more. Than Superman. I really

3:01:26

do. I think he likes being Clark anymore.

3:01:28

Because the things that Clark enjoys --

3:01:31

Mhmm. -- are the normal human things. He

3:01:33

likes going to the baseball game with Lois. He likes

3:01:35

going to the diner. He likes going to see

3:01:37

him. Taking John to the fair. Yeah. He likes

3:01:39

to write. He likes to do things like that. Whereas,

3:01:41

like, he's happy to help people. But I I think when he's Superman every

3:01:43

once in Superman's, you're

3:01:46

gonna catch a thing where, like, when it's the

3:01:48

seventh emergency of the day, he's a little bit,

3:01:50

like, Like, I definitely think he's more burden by being

3:01:53

super mad. I agree. Like, I

3:01:55

don't think Diana is burdened by

3:01:57

being wonder woman. I just think Diana is probably the most melded. Mhmm.

3:02:00

And I

3:02:02

I think Batman is just I think

3:02:04

he's Batman. Yeah. Batman is Batman that. Yeah.

3:02:06

Yeah. Alright. So let's travel Ashley into the far off world

3:02:11

of The nineteen eighties? Two

3:02:13

thousand and one. Jason, you just explain these ages to

3:02:15

us at the beginning. That's not in this lesson

3:02:20

I'm gonna get on Twitter. Superman,

3:02:22

number three hundred, was a line, a little imaginary if Superman existed

3:02:25

in the far off

3:02:27

world of two thousand

3:02:29

and one thirty years

3:02:31

in the future? Yes.

3:02:34

It's like when people said stuff in like

3:02:36

But also twenty twenty five. For us twenty years in the past? Yes. I

3:02:38

meant from like Oh, okay. Actually, have you ever imagined what

3:02:43

our lives could be like in the

3:02:46

world of two thousand one. That far off age. Yeah. Not really because I was a

3:02:48

child. And

3:02:51

I wasn't thinking too much about it, but I

3:02:53

lift it. Yeah. Yes. For everybody listening, I just wanna say that this comic was published in nineteen seventy six. So go with it.

3:02:56

Yeah. So It

3:03:00

actually opens with the phrase. It's

3:03:02

a bird. It's a straddle jet. It's superman. I mean, I wish. Let's let's wipe out Superman's.

3:03:08

Boeing's seven thirty seven's. I've got some straddle jets

3:03:10

going. So the storyline is basically what

3:03:13

if Superman landed in nineteen seventy six instead

3:03:15

of the thirties, and here's all the changes.

3:03:17

Oh, that's cool. So his baby rocket falls into the ocean. It's

3:03:19

a fight between the USA and the USSR. The

3:03:21

USA grabs it. They

3:03:24

raise the super baby

3:03:26

in the US military facility.

3:03:28

But they still make him a Superman they

3:03:31

convince him to fight for America and

3:03:33

they name him Skyboy, hence the s

3:03:35

on his chest. God lord. Yes. When his

3:03:37

existence is announced to the world, he

3:03:39

becomes a ward of the United Nations and

3:03:41

it basically creates a war where he has

3:03:44

to toss all

3:03:46

the nukes into space, a la, the last

3:03:48

Superman movie of Chris Reeb, Superman four, the quest for peace. Is that

3:03:50

the moment he gets drunk and fights people in a bar? That's Superman three.

3:03:55

Okay. Now cut to the far off

3:03:57

year of two thousand and one --

3:03:59

-- it's called try vision. And

3:04:04

Clark Kent is a try vision reporter.

3:04:06

It's called television. Yes. He's named Clark

3:04:08

Kent in this version because he's named

3:04:11

for the military people that help one

3:04:13

of the guys is like lieutenant Kent. Is does

3:04:15

he watch his line? Which was

3:04:18

very big at that time? Not in

3:04:20

this universe. Bummer. TrueCarrie doesn't survive

3:04:22

the apocalypse of wars. That's

3:04:27

a jokingly Now eventually an alien appears

3:04:30

and he regresses himself as Superman for

3:04:33

reasons and and he helps

3:04:36

the world. Great. I mean, look,

3:04:38

it's not honestly, it's

3:04:40

no worse in origin than

3:04:43

any other comic. Well, I hope

3:04:45

you all enjoyed the fun diversion to the far

3:04:47

off world of two

3:04:50

thousand and one. What a far

3:04:53

off place? I hope our world becomes like that one day. I love it

3:04:55

when we can't explain things, so we just go

3:04:59

breathe it. The comics. Stay literally. Stay lit

3:05:01

lit the scene is basically like, he's like, I am Skyboy no

3:05:03

more. Call me Superman Superman's

3:05:06

you're like, where? Why? It is a

3:05:08

better game. You never That name has never

3:05:10

come up in the story. Why? Had you

3:05:13

read that issue before doing this

3:05:15

lesson? No. No. Okay. Interesting. No. III

3:05:17

found it on I found it in my research and I was like,

3:05:20

oh, this

3:05:22

is gonna be a fun one. Great. So

3:05:24

anyways, So soon, back to

3:05:26

the non imaginary world

3:05:29

of two thousand and

3:05:32

one. Back to the revolving present of

3:05:35

Yeah. Superman soon discovered that

3:05:37

all of Krypton oh,

3:05:39

excuse me. All of Earth's

3:05:41

Kryptonite. All of Krypton's Earth night. I don't know why

3:05:43

his question. All of

3:05:46

his damn it. I still do it.

3:05:48

All the Kryptonite. I think I deserve

3:05:50

one of these now. What would

3:05:53

Krypton's Earth and

3:05:56

Night look

3:05:59

like? What color would it be? Let's be a cloud of dirt. Let's

3:06:03

be brown. Okay. So if it's so

3:06:05

if overnight is green, Right? The most common criteria is green across the

3:06:07

color wheel. So if we're going

3:06:11

by color theory, the complementary or the

3:06:13

opposition or color. Blue. Is red. Mhmm. So it should be a

3:06:15

a ruby, I guess, or

3:06:19

like a red jousting. You'd

3:06:21

call it Earthnight. Or Eartha Night. Or Terronite

3:06:23

maybe? Terronite. Krypt on the

3:06:26

Terronite. Alright. Anyways, let's move on.

3:06:28

Thankfully Superman found out that

3:06:30

all the world's kryptonite had not been turned inert. No. I hit egg plot reasons. Yeah.

3:06:32

Got it. Basically. Broadridge.

3:06:35

And back at the

3:06:37

galaxy building, Morgan Edge

3:06:40

Clark canceled boss revealed the

3:06:42

identity of So back

3:06:44

at the galaxy's edge. I'm

3:06:46

not gonna dignify that whether the

3:06:48

boss. I thought you're

3:06:50

gonna give me another set drumbone.

3:06:52

No. No. No. And back at the galaxy building,

3:06:54

Morgan Edge unveiled the identity of Clark Kent's

3:06:58

new co anchor, Lana

3:07:00

Lang. Hell yeah. Ashley, who

3:07:03

is Lana Lang? Lana Lang is Superman's

3:07:07

childhood best friend slash first girlfriend

3:07:09

in my head Canon. He is. He is his

3:07:12

first girlfriend. His

3:07:14

first many things, and she just

3:07:16

briefly become a reporter during this. I remember this from the

3:07:18

Loliang episode. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. She's a babe.

3:07:23

Love Lana. I love Lana as well.

3:07:25

And to end the bronze age of

3:07:27

Superman, we need to talk about the last bronze age adventure with that,

3:07:31

man. In world's finest number three twenty

3:07:33

three, which has a covered date of January nineteen eighty six. But

3:07:35

if you know covered dates are always months

3:07:39

ahead. So technically, it takes place in nineteen

3:07:41

eighty five. I know I know, but it

3:07:44

story by with.

3:07:47

World's finest is a trip man. Superman

3:07:50

is attacked in space by a villain called Night Wolf. Sure. That looks like he belongs on an episode of

3:07:52

Yellowstone. I'm

3:07:57

not joking. Maybe Ashley should share a

3:07:59

picture of Night Wolf somewhere or anything.

3:08:01

Peacock, you wanna sponsor us anytime. Night

3:08:04

Wolf threatens to kill Super man and

3:08:06

Night Wolf's mentor arrives out of nowhere and

3:08:09

he's like a a native American

3:08:11

shaman. Sure. And this shaman beats

3:08:13

Night Wolf off up only to reveal that it's secretly

3:08:16

Batman in

3:08:18

disguise. When Superman wakes up from

3:08:21

all this, Batman chides Superman saying

3:08:23

that I won't always be there to save you. And you need to leave the night to

3:08:28

experts. Oh, forgot it. And he leaves.

3:08:30

And their bond of friendship ends as the two of them officially head into

3:08:36

crisis on infinite earths. That's

3:08:38

kind of a bummer. I'd I was gonna say that's terrible, but I

3:08:42

don't wanna disrespect the people who worked

3:08:44

on that issue. But when we get

3:08:46

to Batman or, excuse me. Superman, the dark age. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the early

3:08:52

dark age story lines, especially the ninety

3:08:54

story lines, they It took a long time to get around. It took till the year two thousand Mhmm.

3:09:00

-- for Batman and Superman to be best

3:09:02

friends again. Yeah. That's true. Because they don't have Batman's and Rams areas. Because it was the Batman's, which is great. great. It's

3:09:07

great. Talk about a lot on the Subaru. But a lot

3:09:09

of it a lot of the nineties that you will learn

3:09:11

is a, like, Is Batman being able to predict Batman? Is Batman like, I'm not friends with you? Yeah. Together. Yeah. That's

3:09:13

a bummer, though. It is

3:09:15

a bummer. But that's not

3:09:17

how I'm gonna end the

3:09:20

bronze age. Because

3:09:22

I can't end the bronze age

3:09:24

without telling you about the story

3:09:26

of when Superman met the champ Mohammed Ali. I was wondering if we

3:09:31

were gonna get to this and

3:09:33

you talked about the man that

3:09:35

he fought all night. This is a is here. The

3:09:39

champ is here. An all time iconic cover.

3:09:41

Yeah. You want to invest in comics? This is a good one to invest in. It is a good one to get.

3:09:43

No. I'm not gonna I

3:09:49

am gonna tell you everything in

3:09:51

the storyline, but not every single

3:09:53

thing. I am gonna paraphrase some

3:09:55

things. But enough we're gonna talk about this for a

3:09:58

bit because, actually, I don't think you've ever read it. I have not. No. Okay.

3:10:02

So by the late nineteen seventies, Superman had been

3:10:04

paired in the comic pages with real life American

3:10:06

icons like Jonathan Kennedy, Steve Allen, Bob Hope, Jerry

3:10:09

Lewis, Allen Fund, Don Rickel's and Pat

3:10:12

Boone. Actually, please explain whoever one of

3:10:14

those are. No. No. No. Please don't. American icons. Yeah. Oh, well done. Thank

3:10:16

you. Well done. Now, I was

3:10:18

like, I own I know

3:10:20

most of those Veeam. Superman meets

3:10:22

mom and a Lee. So for

3:10:24

numerous delays. It was originally gonna be published

3:10:27

in fall of nineteen seventy seven, but it

3:10:29

didn't get published till spring of nineteen seventy eight. Mhmm. And by the time

3:10:31

the book sounds like I published Mohammad

3:10:35

Ali was no longer the heavyweight

3:10:37

world champion. Well, he's still an icon. Yep.

3:10:39

But here's the fun fact. He

3:10:42

had been defrowed he'd been dethroned by

3:10:44

Leon Spinks, excuse me, in February of nineteen seventy

3:10:46

eight. And in that year of nineteen seventy eight in September,

3:10:50

Ali, Muhammad Ali, Cassius Clay --

3:10:52

Mhmm. -- would reclaim the title. So I

3:10:54

lost you again. And then reclaim the game. Here's the story. It is bonkers,

3:10:56

yet kind

3:11:00

of fun. I also believe there

3:11:02

have been several statues slash action

3:11:04

action figure combos of this cover.

3:11:06

There is Here we go. Action

3:11:08

figure spotlight. I need I

3:11:10

need the theme song for action figure spotlight. Here we Action figure spotlight. There

3:11:17

is some amazing. I believe they're

3:11:19

made by Nika, action

3:11:21

figures of Superman and Muhammad

3:11:24

Ali, like the cover, and they are she they

3:11:26

are cell shaded bike. I know exactly what

3:11:30

you mean. Yeah. They are fantastic. We'll

3:11:32

share some of that on our Twitter over a

3:11:34

GHO podcast. But let's talk about the book.

3:11:37

Yes. An alien visitor named Ratlar. Is

3:11:39

the maniacal leader of a

3:11:41

species of aliens called the scrub. Under the claim that Earthlings are dishonorable

3:11:44

they're aggressive, and

3:11:49

they pose a potential threat to his people to

3:11:51

scrub, he demands that

3:11:54

earth's greatest champion, fight the

3:11:56

greatest scrub fighter, the behemoth

3:11:58

known as now it's spelled

3:12:01

HUN apostrophe y,

3:12:03

which I'm going to call

3:12:05

honey. Yeah. So Superman and Muhammad Ali

3:12:08

both come

3:12:10

forward to volunteer for this

3:12:12

battle. However, Ali argues that

3:12:15

Superman is not really of Earth and actually has an unfair advantage in many of his superpowers. And

3:12:19

then typical

3:12:22

Ali style verbiage.

3:12:24

Superman. Come for the

3:12:26

trip. I can't do as many of the

3:12:28

rhymes as Muhammad Ali, and I would it would

3:12:30

be a shame for me to even try. But

3:12:33

that if you don't know what I'm doing with

3:12:35

the the the bonus Then you should do some

3:12:37

googling because Muhammad Ali is an incredible figure. I will try to find a video of It is a very famous

3:12:39

Muhammad Ali was very well known for

3:12:43

his trash talk of his fighters, and he was

3:12:45

quite poetic in a lot of it. And he would usually do a bit of it, like, by by slamming down on tables or slamming down.

3:12:47

I mean, yeah, it's basically like Podry.

3:12:53

Yep. Pete Podry. So in

3:12:55

this book, he basically takes

3:12:58

a Mandatum peg and says

3:13:00

that he should be the

3:13:02

champion earth, intrigued by Muhammad Ali's poetic trash

3:13:05

talk. Ralar decides

3:13:08

that, you know

3:13:10

what, Superman and Ali should

3:13:12

fight one another to determine who should

3:13:14

be Earth's champion. And to make the

3:13:16

fight fair, he decrees the match to take

3:13:19

place on his home planet Bodachi, which

3:13:21

orbits a red star. Now why

3:13:23

is that important to Superman? Superman guess

3:13:25

is ours from our yellow sun slash star

3:13:28

a red son, which

3:13:30

I believe is what Krypton had, doesn't give

3:13:32

him the same amount of power. So he's basically as powerful

3:13:34

as a human. Correct. So this would make the winner simply the best

3:13:36

boxer. The

3:13:39

two would be champions decide that Ollie

3:13:41

will train Superman in the finer points of boxing because

3:13:43

obviously Superman doesn't know boxing. To

3:13:46

make it as fair as well. Yes, which becomes a

3:13:48

plot point much later when Superman doesn't know martial arts team.

3:13:50

Exactly. And also it makes it very fair and also goes to prove why mommy

3:13:53

only was it true champion -- Mhmm. -- because he

3:13:55

decided, you know what? I'm gonna make this even more

3:13:57

fair for Superman because who doesn't know boxing. Yeah. I mean, if he's the greatest he'll defeat him no matter how much training

3:14:00

it. Exactly. Absolutely.

3:14:03

And that's what Muhammad Ali wants a

3:14:05

fair fight. Yep. Now, eventually, the Superman versus Muhammad Ali match his broadcast and intercolgate could television to thousands of

3:14:07

other worlds with Jimmy

3:14:13

Olsen's Superman's Powell acting as the broadcaster, which I

3:14:15

love. Oh, Jimmy. And

3:14:18

the match is underway and it

3:14:20

soon becomes apparent that Ali is

3:14:22

gonna kick Superman's ass. Well, like

3:14:24

a butterfly and things like a

3:14:27

bee. Superman takes a serious pummeling

3:14:29

And Ali is Crown Earth champion, is set

3:14:31

to face the big fighter

3:14:34

honey. Now look, I've never

3:14:36

heard this it out loud. No. No. No. I've I've

3:14:38

never it's just funny. It's just funny.

3:14:40

It might be honeya. There's an a in it,

3:14:43

but I'm just gonna call them money. It's fun.

3:14:45

Once the match begins, however, Ali quickly starts to suffer

3:14:47

from fighting the super powered honey.

3:14:51

Meanwhile, during this fight, Superman

3:14:54

has recouped he has a recovery and he actually steals a scrub command ship and

3:14:57

sabotages their space armada

3:14:59

because he learns that

3:15:01

the scrub are just

3:15:03

gonna invade Earth anyway. How

3:15:05

like an alias? Miraculously, Ali gets a

3:15:07

second wind and in Now if you don't

3:15:09

know anything about Muhammad Lee, you should know this.

3:15:12

Muhammad Ali would

3:15:14

sometimes predict what round he would take

3:15:16

down his opponents. Now when fighting honeya or honey,

3:15:19

as I like to call him, Ali

3:15:22

in the book said, I'm a take

3:15:24

him down on the fourth round. And

3:15:26

in the fourth round, Muhammad Ali gets a

3:15:28

punch knocks honey out of

3:15:30

the ring and knocks him

3:15:32

out winning the fight. But after witnessing

3:15:34

Superman's Designations of their the

3:15:39

scrub leader Christ bowed, and this is excuse me.

3:15:41

This is I got a little bit of help myself.

3:15:43

This is when he decrees that I'm gonna blow up or Just

3:15:46

as Ratlier's about to give the

3:15:48

go ahead to his backup forces,

3:15:50

his own champion Honey becomes enraged at Ratlier's trechety

3:15:53

and deposes their leader stopping the

3:15:56

annihilation attack because he was like,

3:15:58

why would we attack someone who was

3:16:00

honorable planned as honorable because

3:16:02

of Muhammad Ali and Superman. Superman is

3:16:04

rescued. Honey, the new scrub leader makes

3:16:06

peace with Ollie's Superman and Earth And

3:16:08

the very end of the book shows

3:16:11

Ollie and Superman in a private moment,

3:16:13

and Ollie reveals that he has figured out Superman's

3:16:15

secret identity as Clark Kent. And

3:16:17

vows to keep its secret.

3:16:20

And the book ends with

3:16:22

the two Champions Embracing and Ollie proclaiming Superman We.

3:16:27

Are the greatest. And that's my

3:16:29

friend. Kind of awesome. It's a great book. Yeah. It's a little goofy. Better than

3:16:31

I expected it. But it's a great you

3:16:36

know anything about Muhammad Lee, it's actually like a

3:16:39

sweet and well done book. Nice. Very nice.

3:16:41

And Muhammad Lee is a champion. Go Google

3:16:43

him. He is a a historical figure that

3:16:45

is well worth doing some research on -- Absolutely. --

3:16:47

and my friend, we end

3:16:50

the bronze age with Superman being

3:16:53

declared the champion. Because that's a better ending than him going

3:16:55

boohoo hoo with Batman. And at the end of

3:17:00

Superman, the Bronze Age. Good job.

3:17:02

And now we move into recommended reading. Where if you go to geek lesson dot

3:17:04

com slash recommended reading, we have

3:17:06

these cool little Amazon, which is

3:17:09

they go all the way back

3:17:11

to the very first zero

3:17:13

episode. And we recommend stuff that you

3:17:15

can read if you wanna learn

3:17:17

more about Superman in the bronze

3:17:20

age specifically. Still a little bit of money

3:17:22

from Jeff Bezos' pockets put in an hour

3:17:24

so we can keep having celebrity boxing matches at the

3:17:26

Mind University. Yes. That is correct. The very first one that is

3:17:28

going on

3:17:30

there is the book

3:17:32

I just talked about

3:17:35

versus Muhammad Ali The Deluxe Edition,

3:17:37

they made a hardcover version of

3:17:39

this book about three or four

3:17:41

years ago. It's beautiful. It's amazing.

3:17:43

The quote unquote single issues, which has rarely been of print.

3:17:47

There's always a collection or a treasury

3:17:49

addition of it that you can find.

3:17:51

Yes. COVID-nineteen. Yes. And secret of the cover, many of the DC employees and famous

3:17:54

celebrities that existed in

3:17:56

the time are on

3:17:58

the crowd on the cover. If

3:18:00

you've never read it, I highly recommend it.

3:18:03

I mean, there's no there's no bigger Superman

3:18:05

bronze age book than Superman versus Momma

3:18:07

Lee. Yep. Very. My second choice is Superman in the seventies. It of print book, but

3:18:09

you can find it used. Yes.

3:18:11

And it's a lot of stories

3:18:13

of the seventies since the seventies

3:18:15

took place and most

3:18:17

of the dark excuse

3:18:19

me. Excuse me. Bruntage. I

3:18:21

believe I could not confirm.

3:18:24

I believe that the story line that

3:18:26

we talked about that we really loved, who took the

3:18:28

super Mhmm. I see. Obviously, rent is in that

3:18:30

trade, and it's like the only place it's ever been

3:18:32

Of course it is. My last choice is

3:18:34

action comics eighty years of Superman, the deluxe edition. Now

3:18:36

this has many different periods of Superman, but I have this hard

3:18:39

cover. It's great and it has some really

3:18:42

good bronze age issues. I know that you used it a

3:18:44

lot as a jumping off point for your research for this episode. I used it for

3:18:46

research in this thing. I don't think I talked about any of the specific issues, and that's okay.

3:18:51

But I I read it as

3:18:53

some research. So let's go into the discussion. Yes. What are we going

3:18:55

to discuss? We're gonna talk about something, Arthur, you're gonna explain

3:19:01

what the discussion is. Moe, it's where we discuss more things. I know.

3:19:03

I do. So that's very simple. You

3:19:07

know? Anyways, Ashley. Yeah. For you -- Mhmm. --

3:19:09

just fan out with the bronze. How familiar let's get

3:19:11

this wrapped up way real

3:19:13

quick. How familiar with Superman in the bronze age

3:19:16

were you before this lesson? Almost not at

3:19:18

all. Okay. You've I was aware

3:19:20

of some of the broader I

3:19:22

knew we became a TV news anchor.

3:19:24

I knew he did fourth world stuff, and

3:19:26

I I know about the Muhammad Ali

3:19:29

issue. Yes. Okay. So you've now heard

3:19:31

Superman's gold age, superman the silver

3:19:33

age, and superman the bronze age. Mhmm. What we can

3:19:35

say is the main differences between Superman's the

3:19:40

character in the silver age and

3:19:42

superman the character in bronze bronze age

3:19:47

because I would say I know we're

3:19:49

going by this dark age and modern age thing. It's only you know, and I will I will caveat here's

3:19:52

my caveat. I

3:19:56

will only caveat this here because I went with dark

3:19:58

I don't like the term dark age.

3:20:01

I don't either. I went with it because I

3:20:03

do one hundred percent think that. Totally, I think

3:20:05

it's accurate. Calling the modern age from nineteen eighty five to now

3:20:07

is ridiculous. Is too long, but

3:20:10

I feel like the sensibility that we

3:20:12

have in comics right now starts with

3:20:14

I would to be honest with you. The sun in predators. I would almost call it the age. Yeah.

3:20:17

Or maybe the NDH,

3:20:19

but but I went

3:20:21

with dark age because

3:20:24

many different comic journalism sites. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

3:20:26

Forms. Maybe if there can be such a thing a comic

3:20:28

historian. We're just not all they all agree in the dark

3:20:30

age. We're not far enough away from it to have it

3:20:33

name yet. But what is what

3:20:35

is interesting to me about the

3:20:38

bronze age in particular is that you see all of these

3:20:40

characters they're

3:20:42

maturing. Yep. And I don't mean that

3:20:44

they are literally getting older, but because

3:20:47

Superman has been, like, thirty five forever. I don't know how old superheroes. I

3:20:52

for me, he's consistently thirty five. I think that's what

3:20:54

you said in your timeline. Right? I actually think I I in my timeline, I made it forty eight because John Kent

3:20:56

ruins Well,

3:20:59

John does, if John is ten I asked the

3:21:01

idea that that Superman is is is it always in it, like, his mid thirties, mid to

3:21:03

late forties, Excuse me. Yeah.

3:21:06

He's more between He's a little younger

3:21:08

than Batman. Because I like that I like that Superman's been around for a while

3:21:10

because I like the idea that younger heroes look up to him. Mhmm. But

3:21:16

the thing about is they is they

3:21:18

mature, and this is where you see even though commerce authority is still around,

3:21:23

You do see boundaries in

3:21:25

the types of stories that

3:21:27

can be superhero stories starting to get pushed here. And

3:21:31

that's what I think is very

3:21:34

interesting about the bronze age is I would have said before maybe the last couple years

3:21:36

that that

3:21:40

that the dark ages where we really see like a

3:21:43

rejection of the gold and silver

3:21:45

age, but I think it starts with

3:21:47

these comics in the seventies leading into

3:21:49

the eighties because But with Superman in particular, I think it's we

3:21:51

are shaking off

3:21:56

the traditional trappings of suit

3:21:58

man and we're trying on different things. We put him against this cosmic

3:22:02

these cosmic gods in space. We we

3:22:04

moved him up to television. We made

3:22:06

him producer, we let him and Lois have a relationship. Like, we are seeing Superman do

3:22:09

things that maybe

3:22:12

weren't traditionally thought

3:22:15

of as Yes. What stands out for

3:22:17

you? He's more man than Superman.

3:22:20

Mhmm. It's the first time that

3:22:22

it's the for human. It's the first period of superman comics that focuses on Clark

3:22:27

Kent and the Man and the

3:22:30

emotion inside then just the guy who can punch planets and is trying to be there is a

3:22:32

term called Super Dick. Yeah.

3:22:34

Yeah. Yeah. Where and

3:22:36

and is that refers to

3:22:38

Superman's constantly trucking Lois Lane, I think

3:22:41

this is this is the period that marks

3:22:43

the transition -- The death of Superman's

3:22:45

-- -- to the Superman that we know.

3:22:47

The silver eight Superman, the silly goofy Superman dies in this Yes. Superman's.

3:22:53

This Superman feels almost modern.

3:22:55

Almost like the Superman that we would see now. And that's interesting. And it is interesting

3:22:57

through the lens of history. Right?

3:22:59

Like Jason, we're obviously not alive

3:23:01

for this, so we have nothing

3:23:03

but hindsight where this is

3:23:05

concerned. But it's interesting to, like, look at

3:23:08

it through the lens of modern day and

3:23:10

be like, this is where it starts. Yep. Cool. Sweet. Alright. Let's go to the teaching

3:23:12

tweet. Oh,

3:23:14

you did a teaching tweet? III

3:23:16

have accepted I have accepted it and I'm just moving on.

3:23:18

Oh, professor Jason's favorite part of the podcast. Where in two hundred forty

3:23:23

characters or less he is going to actually

3:23:25

a hundred and eighty or whatever because we go by the original rules.

3:23:27

He's gonna stop. This is why I don't like

3:23:31

this section. Everything you just learned

3:23:33

about Bronte's humor in which you can find this posted on our

3:23:35

Twitter at GHL podcast. Braun's

3:23:40

Age Superman, a Man of

3:23:42

Action and Emotion, a hero that finally proved that Clark

3:23:44

Kent is

3:23:47

just as much as

3:23:49

much a hero as

3:23:51

Superman. Is that? Nice. Because

3:23:54

that's what this period means to me. And

3:23:56

now we're going to the honor roll. Yes. What's the

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3:24:53

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honest opinion. What's his name? GZ,

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surprised there's eighty five people that wanted

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that name. Yeah. There's eighty seven

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Oh, boy. I don't know. I don't

3:25:33

I don't I don't I don't

3:25:36

get the interrupting thing. I'm not

3:25:38

either. I don't understand that, Diane.

3:25:40

This is just the way we just we just talk.

3:25:42

This is the way we talk like this. So

3:25:44

thank you, but I don't need to be protected

3:25:46

from Jason. What? I don't. Wait. It's

3:25:48

not like I didn't rap you. Thank

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you both for those five. Thank you so much. A little bit real

3:25:56

talk. Look in the real talk. Also, look,

3:25:58

if you're gonna rib us, we're gonna rib back. Hey. It's just playful. It's all good. Yeah. Whatever. Thank you so much for

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3:28:08

Alright. Now, or to

3:28:10

hashtag stick around. The final

3:28:12

section of the podcast, where? We

3:28:14

see you stuck through the plugs. Ashley? Yeah.

3:28:18

Do you like the

3:28:21

idea of Clark Kent

3:28:23

as a television anchor? I

3:28:26

don't dislike it. I don't think

3:28:29

Clark Kent is the kind of person who would really want to

3:28:31

be on camera though. I agree. I

3:28:36

actually Hold on. I

3:28:38

gotta interrupt you. Sorry. Proceed

3:28:41

proceed. That's embarrassing. I don't

3:28:43

know or not. But I

3:28:45

know. I actually really

3:28:48

like the modern conceit that

3:28:50

he is a blogger or

3:28:52

that he he works at a more digital

3:28:54

sphere. Yeah. They did it in the fifty two. Yeah. I understand wanna keep him working the daily planet.

3:29:00

I think that that's an interesting evolution. But I

3:29:02

appreciate that we did have him as an anchor

3:29:04

and as a producer and that we let him

3:29:06

do something different. And I think it was very

3:29:09

innovative the time. That would have been the height

3:29:11

of broadcast news. Who would

3:29:13

have been the hot news anchors in

3:29:15

the seventies or eighties? I think kronkite would

3:29:17

have still been around with Honey. Let me

3:29:19

see what else You don't have to

3:29:21

Google it. You don't want to. I only

3:29:23

know Canadian real quick. I'm actually very keen

3:29:26

curious about who in terms of Americans who that would be, biggest

3:29:28

TV brought news people.

3:29:31

What would you say

3:29:33

news anchors? News anchors.

3:29:36

News anchors. Of the nineteenth. So

3:29:38

I mean, it's exciting for the

3:29:40

business. Of the bronze age. Oh, the bronze

3:29:42

age. Google's like, what the hell does that mean?

3:29:46

I I it's hard -- It's fine. This

3:29:48

is fine. -- answer here. This is not You were not alive in the

3:29:50

seventies, so it's not fair for me to ask to

3:29:54

be fair. I mean, Walter

3:29:57

Concrete is on there. Great.

3:29:59

What's the hedon? Hedon. Hedon.

3:30:01

Hedon. Peter Jennings is on there.

3:30:03

Oh, sure. Henry Reesner is on there.

3:30:05

I don't know if Henry Reesner is a

3:30:07

great name. Ted Koppel. Yep.

3:30:09

Is on there Hugh Downs, who

3:30:11

is a very big -- No.

3:30:13

-- now that I remember that.

3:30:16

Leslie Stahl, I don't know. Cool.

3:30:18

Much people. Wow. I learned something. Yeah.

3:30:20

There you go. I think it's kronka. I agree. Him being

3:30:22

a broadcaster is a bad eye idea for a guy with

3:30:26

a secret identity. Yeah. I kinda like the

3:30:29

idea of him being a news producer. That makes sense

3:30:31

because it's something that he would be able to do But

3:30:34

if we'd allow him to work

3:30:37

in television, you know, I I kinda felt I

3:30:39

kinda felt like Lois would be the more

3:30:43

appropriate one to be the online

3:30:45

broadcaster. I'd also like to mention this, and Jason didn't ask me to do this. But

3:30:47

in Oh, you

3:30:53

know, in in your in your book Super Best Friend, you

3:30:55

also sort of taken an exploration of

3:30:57

what type character's relationship to the

3:30:59

media. That is correct. That's what that whole

3:31:02

book is. That -- Yeah. -- that the

3:31:05

whole crux of that story is

3:31:07

the public perception of

3:31:09

superheroes and the public perception

3:31:11

of superhero fandom It's

3:31:14

a big it's and I think a lot

3:31:16

of people won't realize that when you get because the

3:31:18

intention is to get six issues. Mhmm. And I think when I get to the end and

3:31:22

you're in the far future. You've already read

3:31:24

it in. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, when

3:31:26

I'm recording this, I'm I haven't written the shoe since shit.

3:31:28

But I think people

3:31:30

will see that it is sort of like,

3:31:32

yeah, it is my take on modern superhero fandom

3:31:34

and the the good and the bad parts of that.

3:31:37

So there you go. There's a little super

3:31:39

best friend at an Easter egg. Well, my

3:31:41

my superman character in that, captain terrific, is a he is

3:31:43

a book editor. He's

3:31:45

a book publisher. Yes. Yes. So he

3:31:47

works in publishing, but he's more and

3:31:50

he doesn't wanna write. He wants to edit. That's his idea. He's

3:31:52

not the

3:31:54

writer. He's not the creative. He is

3:31:56

the He's the adjuster off. He's the adjuster. Yeah.

3:31:58

Yeah. That's what he wants. He's the finisher of stories. Mhmm.

3:32:02

So there you go. Yeah. I just that

3:32:04

thought just occurred to me as we were talking

3:32:07

about. Well, thanks for the plug. You're welcome. Yes. Alright, Ashley. Why don't you close at the podcast for us? Okay.

3:32:12

You already said the social

3:32:14

media handles. So I say, I'm Ashley Victoria Robinson. Thank you for

3:32:16

listening. Thank

3:32:20

you for listening. There you go. You gotta thank

3:32:22

the listeners. You say, I'm Jason in men, and

3:32:25

then I say, well, you don't have to do

3:32:27

that, sir, Jason. But you please the sis, like,

3:32:29

oh, I didn't I didn't intend for you to

3:32:31

take all of it here. Fine. I'm gonna You could just And

3:32:35

then and then you say, I'm

3:32:37

Jason, insert whatever bronze age joke he made at the beginning end, and and glass has now dismissed

3:32:40

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app and use code swing

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to get two hundred dollars

3:33:16

in bonus bets instantly when you place

3:33:18

a five dollar bet on anything. That's code swing. Only

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at DraftKings sportsbook, gambling problem

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called eight hundred gambler, twenty one and over, and physically present in Ohio.

3:33:27

Valed one offer per first time

3:33:30

depositors who have not already redeemed two hundred

3:33:32

dollars in free bets via prelaunch minimum five dollar

3:33:34

deposit in wager. Two hundred dollars issued as bonus bets, eligibility

3:33:37

restrictions apply. CDKNG dot

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co slash o h for terms. New customers,

3:33:42

download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use code

3:33:45

swing to get two hundred dollars in

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bonus bets instantly when you place a

3:33:49

five dollar bet on anything. That's code swing, only

3:33:51

at DraftKings sports blog, gambling

3:33:53

problem called one-eight hundred gambler, twenty one

3:33:56

and over and physically present in Ohio.

3:33:58

Ballad one off per first time depositors who have not already redeemed two hundred dollars in free bets via

3:34:03

prelaunch offer. Minimum five deposit wager. Two hundred

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dollars issued as bonus bets, eligibility restrictions

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apply. See DKNG dot

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co slash o h per terms.

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