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- Hey there. Welcome to Geek this. My name is Dave Clements.

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And with me as always is my best bud. Mr. David Hunt.

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- Hello everyone. Welcome back to Geek.

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This, we've missed you. - Yeah, we have, um, - And you, and you and you

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- All, all of you, - All you

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- Listeners in that one room in the closet. - Oh, why, why are they in the closet?

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- It's the only way I can get people to listen to this show.

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I think. I mean, you had

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to convince your wife to listen to it. Good grief. What kind of show is this?

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- Hey, I didn't even have to convince her. She, she just did it because she loves me.

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- Aw, that's cute. - At least that's what I like to tell myself.

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- I'll believe it with you. Ah, well, today on the show, uh,

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we are gonna be covering the first half of Loki season two.

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That's episodes one, two, and three.

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Uh, we're not gonna do a deep dive, we're going to just kind

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of have a conversation about it.

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Uh, I don't know that we can really do a spoiler free section at this point.

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'cause you would've had to at least seen all of season one. And

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- We already talked about season one. - Yeah, we've already done that.

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So go back and listen to that. And, uh, yeah, we'll just go ahead

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and start off the show like we've been starting it off with.

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What have you been geeking out about over the last

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week since we've recorded? - Well, Dave, um, the biggest thing for me is, uh,

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this past week, the new Marvel Spider-Man two came out

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for the PlayStation five. - I'm not jealous. - Well, you, you should be

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because it's, it's great. Um, I'm not gonna say a whole lot about it, uh, this time.

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'cause I think we're going to do an episode just on that.

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And you played the first one, didn't you, Dave?

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- I did. I loved it. - Yeah.

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So, um, yeah, we'll have an episode on the Games,

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um, in the near future. Uh, but yeah, I've been really enjoying it.

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I think they improved on many aspects

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of the first game and Nice.

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I'm looking forward to seeing where the story goes, but that's all I have to say about that.

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- Good. Yeah, I've, I've seen some pretty positive things online.

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I've tried to shield my eyes as much as possible

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and it doesn't really make a lot of sense. 'cause I probably won't play that game

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until like the PSS six comes out

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because it's kind of the way that I played the last one,

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PSS four was on its way out, and I got one and got Spider-Man.

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So it'll be the same way with Spider-Man two,

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I haven't even played Miles Morales yet, so.

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- Oh, well you gotta play that. - I know - You still have your PlayStation four.

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- I do. I do. - What about you, Dave?

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What have you been geeking this week? - Uh, I feel like, I've already said this before,

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but I have been playing a lot of Pokemon Scarlet,

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but I've also been watching a lot of YouTube videos, um,

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about fake on, uh,

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which I don't know, I find - It. What is, what is fak?

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- You've never heard of this before? - No. - Okay.

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So, uh, essentially they're just made up Pokemon.

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So you have these very creative people who

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will actually sit down and create their own Pokemon regions

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and fill it with their own Pokemon.

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And it's usually themed. I've watched a lot of videos lately.

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Um, one, one that stands out right now is they had one

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that was, the whole region was based off of,

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um, Greek mythology. - That's really unique. - So yeah.

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So they've got, like, there's new Pokemon

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that they've created that that's the fake kind of thing.

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Uh, but then they also do like regional variants and things like that.

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So, uh, you know, you have, well actually I just saw some artwork for one that was, um,

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Pokemon Timber. They, they remade him so that he was like Roman looking

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and he had like a discus, so it's like a different themed version of these different,

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you know, regional variant Pokemon. So, aside from playing Scarlett,

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I've really been watching a lot of these videos

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and I don't know, it's, it does something with me creatively

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to watch people sit here and draw these things,

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or just give these big deep backstories on

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their world that they're making. I love world building.

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I just don't have a lot of time to put into it. So I

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- Watch other people do. I say, have you made, have you made any

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of your own? Uh, thinking on, - I actually, so I thought about it.

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I spent probably two hours one day

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ideating on something I could come up with.

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I think if I hung out with more people

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that were like super geeky about Pokemon

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and stuff, we could come up with a whole fake region

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and a bunch of new Pokemon. But yeah, that's, that's what I've been geeking out about.

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- Well, on that note, uh, I think it's time for our,

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uh, main topic. - Yeah. - This is our main

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topic. Where to start

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- Episode one. Probably. Good. - That's probably because you don't wanna work backwards.

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- I mean, we could, everything is pretty. Uh, I mean, we're bending time ending in this show.

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- Yeah. It is very timey windy. Uh, especially that first episode had a lot of Mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative>. Like, I don't watch Dr. Who Yeah.

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But watching this episode, it made me think of what Dr.

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Who would be like - <laugh>.

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Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't think I've ever watched an episode either.

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Uh, with Loki. Season one is, it's not so much time, it's more just like

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introducing us to the concept of multiverse.

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But season two is very much about jumping around in time,

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uh, because essentially they're trying to track down

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Sylvie, first of all, and they're trying

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to track down ki who remains.

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So yeah, we're like jumping all over the place

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- So far. You know, episode one I was really, really high on.

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I thought it was great. - Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, - You know, when when I got done

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with episode one, I was like, okay, like Marvel's back,

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like we're, yeah, because, um,

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I don't know how about you, but, uh, the MCU especially, like the shows

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have really been kind of struggling for me.

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- Yeah. I enjoyed She Hulk and I, Ms.

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Marvel was okay, but I could not get through

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- Secret Invasion. - Yeah. I, I just, I couldn't,

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- You just didn't care because like, that's how I felt watching it.

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I was like halfway through, I was like, why does this matter? Like I,

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- Yeah. - You've taken these, you've taken this character

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of Nick Fury that I at one point thought fondly of Mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative> and you've made him kind of boring. Yeah.

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- I mean, I, I don't even really have anything

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to say about Secret Invasion. I was excited for it.

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And then I think I watched like the first two episodes

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and I was like, me, I, I don't, don't care.

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- <laugh>, it didn't get much better. So you didn't miss a whole lot.

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- That was good. - If I were you, I'd go on YouTube

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and watch like a, a brief plot summary of it

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because, um, in, uh, the Marvels, you know,

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Nick Fury's gonna be in it. So what happens to him in that show might come back to it.

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Or they might just be like, eh, nevermind. - Right. Psyche didn't really happen,

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you know, because of Loki. But yeah, I mean, I would agree with you.

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Um, I, because Loki season one was so good,

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I was excited when season two started and that first episode ended.

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I actually, I think I've watched it three times, not so much.

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Oh wow. Because it was good, but more because I was really trying to understand

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where are we going with this season? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> what exactly is happening.

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But we're introduced to some, like,

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familiar characters from last season. But I think everybody's favorite character has to be ob.

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Uh, because why not? - Yeah. Obie is fantastic. Yeah.

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I think he's my new favorite character for sure.

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- For those of you who just don't care, but you just want to <laugh>, listen to us talk.

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Um, Obie is Aura Boris, who is played

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by KeHE Kwan.

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I am not saying his name correctly. I know that.

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Um, but you would know him from,

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um, everything, everything. Everywhere. Once, once, uh, Indian Goonies Dunes,

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the Goonies, um, he's actually, so

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just total side tangent here.

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Um, so he was in like those movies in the eighties.

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And then, uh, he took a break from acting

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and actually became a stunt coordinator. He worked with Jackie Chan.

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Um, so that's kind of what he's been doing in the background.

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And then he kind of comes back out into the acting world

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prominently in everything everywhere all at once,

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which is a wonderful movie that we'll have to talk about at some point on the show.

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Uh, but he gets a, a, a key role in low key Season two

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and he's just like one of the most endearing guys.

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And it's like, for me, it's like watching a grownup data from Goonies. Yeah.

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- That's definitely how it feels. - I don't what's his official job?

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Do they, I'm sure they say it.

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- You know, he, they stick him in a, like in a basement

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and nobody visits it. He says he hasn't had a visitor in like hundreds of years.

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- Right. - But he's still so like, happy.

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Do we wanna get into some like, theories right now? Sure.

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- Let's do it. Why - Not? Okay. Um, so with his name,

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I have a feeling that, uh, he's actually a,

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a much bigger part of the TVU than we realize.

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Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> because he wrote out the

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guidebook that's in the show.

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Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And in episode three we see

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the guidebook being passed to a variant

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of he who remains. I have a feeling that this variant, uh, timely is going

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to actually become he who remains.

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Right. So, in a way, he actually created

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Ki Hu Remains who created the TVU.

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So he in a sense, is the creator of the TVU.

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- That makes sense. Uh, because an Aura Boris is a snake eating its own tail.

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It's just, it's a symbolism of like this infinite loop

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and it's very like on the nose Mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative> as far as a name goes. But yeah, especially in like, I think it's episodes two

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and three, they really make a big deal about, have you read the book?

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Have you read the book? Have you read the book in that kind

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of thing. And, um, I'm with you.

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He, he's, he's more than just a little bit of comic relief

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or a background character. Like he is a key character this season

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and I'm not quite sure where it's gonna go.

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Um, I've heard people think

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that maybe he is some kind of king variant, but

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- I don't, it's hard to - Say. I - Don't think so, but I, who knows?

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- I wouldn't think so either. Um, I do have a theory I'm gonna throw out at the end

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of the episode, so try and remind me of that <laugh>.

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But yeah, Obie is great and Moby is,

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and Loki go to him because they're looking for a specific piece of tech.

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And there's this really cool scene in that first episode

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where like Loki's, um, doing what they call time slipping,

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he's jumping from time to time. So that's a, a big reason why I

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had to watch it multiple times. 'cause I'm like, okay, where is he now? <laugh>?

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Like, is he in the past? Is he in the present?

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Is he in the future? Like, where, where are we at here?

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But there's a cool moment where Loki time slips into

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B'S little Den, and this is after they've already met him

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and B's meeting Loki for the first time.

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And essentially like, it's this weird, you know,

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time kind of thing where - He's like changing the future from the past

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and you can like watch it in real time. - Yeah. Thank you.

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I couldn't think of a good way to explain that, but that's exactly what it is.

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And it's super clever. And again, it's one of those like,

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ah, this feels like the MCU that I've known

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and loved for the last 11, 12 years, you know,

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or actually longer than that, I guess it'd be 15 years.

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Holy cow. But yeah, like just some really, really cool

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cool bits there with ob. And I don't want to like hang on him for too long.

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Um, but Ren Slayer is, uh, well,

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miss minutes is missing and we find out that her

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and Ren Slayer are supposedly doing

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Kang's bidding to kind of get he

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who remains back into the loop.

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They're just trying to close that loop. Right?

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- That's, that's how I've gathered from it in the latest

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episode, episode three, they go to the past

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and like the sacred timeline to deliver the book

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to AK variant victor, timely.

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And then by delivering the TBU guidebook to him,

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they create a branch. - Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. - And in that branch, I think, uh,

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that's cr making this variant.

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He who remains. And it's, uh,

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Sylvie actually makes a good point in that episode. Like, if you had just left him alone, he would've,

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he would've just lived out a normal life.

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He would've been harmless, but because he had been interfered with, that's why she wanted

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to kill him because she didn't want him becoming he

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or remains in the loop starting over.

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- Right. Like I said, like there's a lot of, like, time,

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time is always a, a weird thing. And I know this from the d

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and d campaign, I was just in like, there's a lot of like,

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time will mess with your brain when, especially when shows

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and things like that start to manipulate the perception

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of time or things like that.

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So, uh, it's definitely like I have

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to watch the episodes a couple times to really get a good grasp of what's going on.

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Yeah. So like episode one kind of establishes this is

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what we're doing for season two. Um, episode two really just fills in some

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of the missing pieces, shows us where Sylvie is,

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and she's trying to live out her existence at a McDonald's in like, what, 1970s?

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- Either seventies or eighties. It's like definitely like old school McDonald's with like,

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whenever the, uh, chicken McNuggets debuted

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because he says when she's like asking about what's on the

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menu, he says, oh, you could try our brand new Chicken McNuggets.

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- Yeah. Yep. But yeah, she's, she's definitely wanting

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to live her own life and ends up getting involved in

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this hunt for he who remains. And then like the third episode, um, I, I can't really think

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of anything like significant from the second episode.

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I'm sure there was something, but the third episode is probably my favorite episode

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so far, just because I, it feels a little,

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little bit like quantum leap jumping from time to time.

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Uh, I'm kind of hoping that that's kind of the trend

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that we're just, you know, on almost like a time hunt,

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you know, that we get to see multiple, you know,

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other decades or centuries or something like that.

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Uh, and, and follow Ren Slayer and Miss Minutes.

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And he who remains hang

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throughout the rest of the series. We do, we do find out that, well, it's hinted at

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that maybe Miss Minutes is more than meets the eye.

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Like she's ai, but she's incredibly intelligent.

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She knows a lot. And at the end of the episode, they actually say,

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or she says that she knows some big secrets about

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Kang, or was she saying she knows big

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secrets about Ren Slayer? - I think both. - Okay.

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- She says that she's the sentient meeting. So like she has feelings

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and thoughts just like anybody else does.

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And she's, she's in love with Kang, she's in love with,

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he remains, which is kind of kind

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of scary when you think about it. Like, is this where the future of AI is going? Yeah.

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- So, so there's that. But then there's also, like, she's existed since

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before Ren Slayer. Um, nobody else has talked to her in this series, really.

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So it's like, you have to wonder, did he,

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who remains put someone he loved

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or worked closely with, I is that

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who Miss Minutes really is, is that

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how she knows all of this stuff? I've also heard, and I feel like they're alluding to this,

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that Ren Slayer is

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a Kang variant. She just doesn't know. - I've heard that theory and I, I actually,

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I like that theory. Yeah. It would make sense why she's like so important.

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And it would also kind of mirror, uh, Loki

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and Sylvie with Sylvie being a female variant of Loki.

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- Right. - Well, I I will say Dave,

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like I I know you said the third episode is your favorite.

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I'm actually going the other direction,

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or like, not that I dislike the show,

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but I do feel like as episodes go on, like there are parts

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of it that I'm enjoying. Okay. But

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- It, - Knowing that we're, we're already halfway

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through this season and it kind of feels like it's kind of dragging.

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Like they're kind of spinning their wheels a little bit.

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Okay. Like, okay, like the TV's in trouble.

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We have this giant, I forget what they call it, the

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- Loom. - The Loom, yeah. Yeah. - That's a big thing.

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- We're going to destroy the TVU and like, we're trying to fix that

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and okay, well we gotta fix that.

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Oh, now we gotta find Sylvie. Oh, now we gotta find the, the Kang variant.

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And it just, it feels like from the start to now, we haven't

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advanced very much so, like, they, they just have a lot

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to cram into these last few episodes.

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- Yeah, I can see that. Although, see, I kind of felt that way about season one.

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The end was there before you realized it,

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and it wasn't until you went back and kinda rewatched things that it all fell into place

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and you're like, oh, okay. I think the thing like this is the good

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and the bad with Disney plus shows is they're very much

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filler for the movies. Um, especially with Loki,

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because a lot of what happens in Quantum mania

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and stuff, it, it's tied into Loki very much.

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It's integral. And

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so I feel like this is exactly what's gonna happen

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with season two, where it's going to

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tie into maybe not the Marvels,

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but you know, whatever comes after that.

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I don't know. I feel like it, we are gonna hit

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that final episode real hard,

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but it's gonna be one of those things where the MCU kind

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of hinges on this final episode.

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Does that make sense? Yeah. - And, and it's kind of what they've always done

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with MCU shows. Like, like with W Avi Mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative>, they had the entire thing written except

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for like the last episode, right.

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And the last episode they had to like completely write, so

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that way it could tie into the future of the MC mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative>. But I don't know if you kept up on the like

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MCU news at all, but, um, they recently

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scrapped everything they had done for Daredevil.

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- I did hear this - Because they are, uh, Disney's going

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to start actually making like

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TV shows the way TV show shows are supposed to be made.

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So, like before, they've pretty much been making their,

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their shows like long form movies Mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative> and not making them with like a showrunner

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and a show Bible and things like that, that you would normally have for a TV show.

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So going forward, that's how they're, they're going

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to start making their shows just like TV's always been made before.

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Hmm. So hopefully that will improve the

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quality of some of these things. Not, there haven't been very many Marvel shows

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that I absolutely hated. Um, yeah. But you can't say that the quality has been great.

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So I'm hoping that going forward that this will help improve

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that so that way the TV shows feel more like TV shows

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and not just, you know, six hour movies stretched out.

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- I'm, I'm hoping for that as well,

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because while I love things being interconnected, it,

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it becomes taxing <laugh> as a fan. Well,

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- And with all the interconnectivity, we,

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we talked a little bit about this, um, earlier in the day.

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The, the Marvels is about to come out and it's Yes.

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Uh, quantum Mania had Kang in it, so it

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kind of tied in with Loki Mm-Hmm.

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<affirmative>. But you could watch Antman in the was Quantum

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Mania and not watch any of Loki

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and be perfectly fine.

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- That's true. - But with that's true. But with the Marvels, uh, this will be the first MCU movie

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that really hinges on people having watched the, the shows.

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If you watch this movie and you haven't watched, uh, wand Vission,

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you haven't watched Miss Marvel, then you're gonna be going into this movie.

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Like, who are these characters? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

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And like, why should I care about them? So I know we're kind of getting off of the Loki topic

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and more into like an MCU grand scale topic, but,

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- But hey, that's the way the MCU works. Dang it. <laugh>

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- And that's how geek this works. - Yeah. Um, - We trail off sometimes,

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- But yeah. I'm like, like you were saying, like I'm, I'm hoping

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to see some difference and maybe like, maybe Loki is one of the last shows

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that's gonna be run like that, and I don't know, we'll, we'll see.

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What are, what are your thoughts on the show

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going into the second half? - I'm looking forward to it.

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Not as sold on it as I was Season one.

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I, I loved season one of Loki.

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I still think it's probably wanted, if not the best

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MCU TV show that they've made. Yeah. I'm still really looking forward to seeing the rest

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of this season because I feel like the acting is still like,

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super solid in this, you know, you have some great actors on this show.

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Yeah. And it, it does feel a little better put together

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than your other MCU shows,

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even if it might be dragging here and there.

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- Yeah. I can see that. I'm, I'm really enjoying it.

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Um, I can definitely see where you're coming from,

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but I also, I can, I can come sometimes get a little carried away with the,

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the fun little, like, I mean,

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if you know anything about like, you know, Chicago

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and the World's Fair and stuff like that, like there are fun little nuggets hidden in the episode.

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And I think that that's what I enjoyed so much about it.

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I'm very interested in seeing how the season ends.

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It is really hard to believe that it's only six episodes

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because like you said, like we're at the halfway point

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and something big has to happen

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in the next three episodes. I just dunno what it is. So I'm nervous.

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You've made me nervous. You have made me nervous.

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<laugh>. Uh, - I know that a lot of like, uh, streamers, they got,

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a lot of people got like the first four episodes Mm-Hmm.

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Um, like the media people and some of those reviews weren't quite so great.

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Um, And giving four

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of your six episodes, like that's a lot

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of episodes to give out. So like Yeah. Uh, I'm, I'm really curious to see

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what, you know, next week's episode looks like,

25:47

or I guess next week as in like tomorrow for us.

25:50

Yes. <laugh>. But, um, and then the last two episodes,

25:55

I think those are gonna be huge episodes

25:57

and I'm really looking forward to it now.

26:00

I I think it's going to have a lot to do with the future

26:04

of EMCU because Mm-Hmm.

26:06

<affirmative> we're, we're getting closer and closer to Kang Dynasty,

26:09

but even though it's like still years away at this point.

26:12

Yeah. But, you know, with Kang being such a major part

26:15

of this, you know, he's part of the whole show, whereas

26:20

before, you know, we got him in that last episode.

26:22

- Yeah. - Now we know from the get go. Okay.

26:25

This is, this is a Kang show. Yep. So I feel like it has a lot more weighing on

26:29

it for the future. - Yeah. And I think, you know, just from this last episode,

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like they mentioned several times

26:38

that technology hadn't caught up to Victor timely.

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So he couldn't do the things, things that were in the TVA a book.

26:46

And I think that that's a key piece here,

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because where we end episode three is essentially Kang

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and Ms Minutes kicking Ren Slayer off on her own

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because Timely doesn't have partners.

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I feel like having timely

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and missed minutes together is going to, it's probably going

27:09

to speed up his journey into

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becoming he who remains. So I feel like that could be a shortcut, um,

27:20

to the end game, no pun intended.

27:23

Uh, but that's, that's just a thought.

27:28

- I'm also, I'm looking forward to looping back around to,

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um, in the first episode, the, where he's like going back

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and forth in between time when he goes Mm-Hmm.

27:39

Into the future. I'm looking forward

27:41

to seeing the other end of that. - Yeah. - And it, it,

27:46

I think it's probably like almost guaranteed

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that when Loki gets pruned,

27:51

I think it's Loki pruning himself.

27:54

- Oh yeah. - You know, to send him back, to start the

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whole process over to like, like the future version

28:03

of Loki pruning the past version of Loki to send him back

28:07

to save himself. - Yeah. That's a good theory

28:12

- When Sylvie comes outta the elevator and says, there you are.

28:16

It makes me wonder if they were like, looking

28:19

for the past Loki, like knowing he was going to be there.

28:23

- Oh, okay. Huh. Now I gotta watch it all over again.

28:28

<laugh>. So I have a,

28:32

a weird theory I want to end the episode with, I read this

28:38

<laugh>, um, - Is it about the, the guy from McDonald's being Mobius?

28:45

- No, but I have heard that. I don't know about you, but I don't care who Mobius is.

28:51

I'm just cool with him being Owen Wilson. - I just like, I just want him to, I want him

28:56

to get his jet ski. That's all I care about.

28:58

- Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's true.

29:01

They gotta pay that off by the end of the season. Um, so no, I read this theory

29:08

and I will link it in the show notes, but it made some pretty crazy good sense,

29:17

but it seems really farfetched. So long story short, this uh, writer,

29:23

I believe it was Polygon, uh, yes.

29:27

It was an article from Polygon titled,

29:30

I'm Convinced I have Figured Out Marvel's Big King Secret.

29:36

And, uh, long story short, is the writer of this article

29:43

connected some dots. Whether they're right or wrong, we don't know.

29:47

We won't find out for a while, but he thinks, they think,

29:51

I don't remember if it was a guy or a girl, whatever.

29:53

Um, they think that we are going to find out

29:58

that Kang is actually

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Reed Richards, that Jonathan Majors has actually been

30:06

playing Reed Richards the whole time.

30:11

Because there are a lot of parallels between some

30:15

of the things that he, who remains has said compared

30:20

to things that Reed Richards has said in comic books.

30:25

And he, he points all of it out in the article.

30:28

But, you know, of course everybody's like, oh, well

30:31

John Kozinski was Reed in Dr.

30:35

Strange, there's no way. But we've seen that, you know, like, take Spider-Man.

30:42

Not all variants look the same. So I don't know,

30:47

it's a really good article, read through it.

30:49

I would love to have feedback on it. Uh, but I think it's kind of cool

30:54

and I'd be okay if that was the case.

30:59

- I don't know about that because like he, you know, a,

31:04

a key part of Reed Richards is like, he is Mr.

31:06

Fantastic. So he has Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you know, the stretchy powers. Right.

31:11

And we haven't seen any of that now in the comics.

31:15

Kang is, you know, a descendant of Reed Richards Mm-Hmm.

31:18

<affirmative>. He is, uh, Nathaniel Richards,

31:23

I, I think that's his name. - Yeah. I don't remember. It's been a very, very long time.

31:32

<laugh> since I've read anything like that. - Anyway, he is a, he is a descendant of Reed Richards.

31:38

Um, I could see if he is playing Nathaniel Richards

31:42

- Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, - You know, and he's using his ancestor as like

31:49

a guide for, you know, different things.

31:51

- Mm-Hmm. - <affirmative>. I haven't read the article, so I'll have to go through and read it, but

31:56

- Yeah, I would, I would love your take on it.

31:58

- Yeah. I'm more like the idea of him being a descendant

32:02

and not just like, oh, here's Kang,

32:04

but he's also your Reed Richards. Yeah. It would be a different twist, but I'm not Yeah.

32:11

Sold that I would like that. - I mean, I, I I

32:14

- Would like, I don't want John Kozinski either. - You don't, you don't want John Kozinski as Reed Richards.

32:21

- No. I thought it was a, a fun like

32:24

Easter egg cameo, you know, to kind

32:27

of throw a bone at the fans. But, um, yeah, I don't know.

32:32

He's a, he's a little old to be playing Reid Richards at this point for me.

32:35

'cause I think, you know, if the MCU is going to

32:39

to be sustainable Mm-Hmm.

32:41

<affirmative> they need to have a younger cast to help

32:45

push them into the future. - Okay. Um hmm.

32:50

- But if they do, if they go straightforward, like, okay,

32:53

this is a variant from a another dimension,

32:57

and that's how we get the Fantastic Four, since we've never heard the Fantastic

33:01

four in this world before. Right. Um, then they could go straight for, you know, the,

33:06

the Fantastic Four has been a team already

33:09

for this many years, so he's like the father

33:11

and they already have their kids, you know? Yeah. If they go that route

33:17

and jump straight into that instead of doing like a whole origin and all that.

33:20

- Yeah. I mean, it's, it's hard to say what they'll do.

33:23

I think Kevin Vigee did say that.

33:26

Now technically all of the Marvel movies are Canon

33:30

because of the whole multiverse thing.

33:33

So I don't know. I don't know. We'll find out.

33:38

I thought that was an interesting theory and I wanted to throw it at you

33:42

- Side note, but since we're talking about the Multiverses

33:44

- Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, - Do you think, and I, I think that this would be cool.

33:50

Do you think that they'll bring in, um, Chris Evans

33:54

as the Human torch for like the Secret Wars movie?

33:59

- Oh, that would be so cool. - Yeah. I think if they don't, it's a missed opportunity.

34:04

- I feel like Secret Wars is going to be like the most expensive Marvel movie ever. I

34:10

- Just hope by then people still care.

34:13

Yeah. 'cause you can just kind of, the excitement

34:17

for the MCU isn't where it once was.

34:20

- No, no. - You know, people still go to the movies

34:23

and they still make a good amount of money.

34:26

Um, but I think it's because people have just gotten into the habit of, oh,

34:30

there's a new MCU movie coming out, gonna go see it.

34:34

And not necessarily because, oh, I can't wait to see

34:37

what happens next. - Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. - So, I don't know

34:42

how many movies there are between now and the next Avengers movie,

34:45

but I'm just, I'm worried that what little steam

34:49

that there still is, if they don't turn something

34:52

around soon, um, people just aren't gonna care.

34:56

I'm like, okay, it's an Avengers movie, but I hope I'm wrong.

34:59

- I hope you're wrong too. But I would not be surprised.

35:03

With all that said, thank you guys so much

35:05

for listening to the show. And, um, yeah, we're, I'm gonna say this

35:12

for the next several episodes 'cause it still doesn't feel real.

35:15

The show's back. We're doing it and we want your feedback.

35:19

Um, thank you to Ben Avery who has been like blasting the internet

35:24

but telling people, Hey, these guys are back guys.

35:28

You gotta go listen to these guys. Guys. Okay guys.

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So, uh, yeah, thanks again for listening. We will talk to you guys very soon

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and, uh, I have lost my tagline for the

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- Show. - Bye, Craig.