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Welcome

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to Tran's Day of

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staying in and having

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a nice snack.

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I'm

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your host and resident snack detective,

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Tuck Woodstock.

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Hey, everyone. Hope

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you're all

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hanging in there. As

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I'm sure you know, we are currently on a break between

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seasons, but Trans Day of Having

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a Nice Snack is the official holiday

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of the gender reveal podcast universe, so

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I wanted to pop in with a few incredibly

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time-specific announcements and

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a very timely bonus interview.

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Today we are sharing a little bit of our chat with

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Lilith Kay, who you may know as a creator

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of various podcasts or the person who

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first said, Trans Day of

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Staying In and Having a Nice Snack. Lilith

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was this month's guest on Gender Conceal,

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our bonus podcast available exclusively

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at Patreon.com slash gender, and

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I had so much fun chatting with

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Lilith. In that episode we talked

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all about all sorts of stuff like

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Satan's trans allyship, unsolicited

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podcast advice, D&D hot takes,

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and which Pokemon are giving low-key

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trans vibes. Not the most trans

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Pokemon, that's obvious, but low-key trans Pokemon.

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We also play the full Vin

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Diesel Rihanna duet because it is my podcast

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and nobody can stop me. Anyway,

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today in this bonus episode we're gonna

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share like 10 or 12 minutes of that conversation

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with Lilith and in these clips

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you will hear us talking about Lilith's

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lore-filled, horror-tinged House

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of Snacks podcast, the worst

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snack that Lilith has ever tried, and

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why trans people seem to

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love Fast and Furious so much. But

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first we have very time-sensing.

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trans day of snack announcements.

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First and foremost, we have once again organized

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a trans day of snack mutual aid event.

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And this year we are specifically focusing

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on the 26 US states that have

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either passed anti trans legislation

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or are considered at high

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risk of passing anti

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trans laws in the near future. We could not

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focus on every state that had an anti trans

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bill kind of moving through the courts, because

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that was almost all of them. but these ones are considered

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by experts at high risk. These 26

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states are Alabama, Arkansas,

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Arizona, Florida, Georgia,

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Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas,

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Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana,

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Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma,

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South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah,

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Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

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If you live in one of those states, or if you recently

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had to flee one of those states due to anti-trans

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animus, we would love to buy you a nice

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snack today. It does not matter what your financial

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status is, We just

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think you deserve a nice treat.

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In addition, if you are struggling

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to pay for basic survival expenses like housing,

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food, medication, we would also

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like to send you some extra money to help with those

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bills. You can learn more and sign

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up at bit.ly slash T-D-O-S-2-0-2-3.

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We

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have a big team of volunteers standing

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by to help us send out as many payments

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as possible over the next few days, and we

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have $20,000 to give away right now. I

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am expecting that we will blow through that fairly quickly.

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And once we run out of money, we will close the

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form until next year. So it's a

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little bit of a like, do you get lucky time wise game,

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but we are going to do our best to pay out as many

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people as possible. Again, the link

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to apply for snack money or larger

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mutual

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aid payments is bit.ly

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slash TDOSTO23.

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Everyone else, if you could please spread the word,

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I would really appreciate it. You can also donate

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to our mutual aid fund either on Venmo

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at Tuck hyphen Woodstock, Cash App at Tuck

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Woodstock,

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or Paypal.me slash T Woodstock. put.

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mutual aid or snacks or trans day of snack or

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something like that in the memo line.

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Also for the record, I

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actually really encourage you to just like Venmo the trans

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people in your own lives for a nice snack because

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then you're doing something nice for trans people and

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I don't have to do any work about it, but either

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way works.

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Meanwhile, as part of this year's mutual aid

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initiative, Ozzy and I have also put

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together a big Google Doc full of resources

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for trans people. Some of them are

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location specific, some of them are youth

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specific, some of them are legal, some of them are financial,

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some of them are transition

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related, there's a bunch of stuff in

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there. You can check out the whole thing,

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we will put a link in the show notes. Please

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feel free to send to your friends who might benefit from

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it, although I think we're trying not to post

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it like publicly because of, you

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know, the climate, but

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pass it along to any friends and if there's a link that

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you think we should

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add, please feel free to let us know. Trans

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Day of Snack thing. If you

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haven't heard, we've got a few new

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and or limited edition merch items in the shop

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right now that includes a new

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Trans Day of Snack design for 2023, a

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rerun of our most popular Trans Day of Snack

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design from last year, and a new

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design by our friend Matty Lipchansky, inspired

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by an iconic line and an iconic moment

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from our recent live show at the Bell House. All

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of those are

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only available until the end of today,

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March 31st, and you can save 10%

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off your order today only using the promo code

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SNACK. That's at bit.ly

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slash gender merch promo

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code SNACK.

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And one final thing while I'm popping into your feed

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between seasons, I just

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wanted to recommend going back and listening to our

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episodes with Lehuu Ukea and Alinda

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Sagara if you haven't yet. We posted

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those last season over the holidays,

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which means that through no fault of their own, they

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ended up just getting a few fewer listeners than anyone

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else. So yeah, if you're bored and

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you realize you missed those episodes.

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back. Why not? They're good. Okay.

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Thank you for sticking with me through all

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of that. Here's a bit of my

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chat

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with Lillip.

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You also have a snack podcast and

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I... Yes. I call it a horror themed

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or horror tinged snack show

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where there's like

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a weird demon who lives in

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the house of snacks, like we have all this

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lore based on like, you know, the

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house of snacks that we go to record in

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the fiction is a physical location

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and it's in this like weird dimension

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where there's like frosting raining from the

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sky. And it's really fun whenever

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we have guests on because, you

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know, we'll have like Allegra Frank

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on and we have to like explain to her like,

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yeah, so here's all

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of this stuff that you need to know. one of us

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might start doing a funny voice. That means we're

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pretending to be a demon. Sorry. I

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know you just wanted to talk

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about Oreos. But

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we, you know, the foundational part of me and

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Emily's friendship was we would be

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like, arguing about food

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a lot. And we had a lot of fun doing

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it. So we kind of built the

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show around that and then started

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having a lot of fun with other stuff

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Yeah, I mean, I think it's so

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smart. I know you didn't do this deliberately, but it's so smart

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because, you know, if an episode

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drops and I'm like, well, I don't care what Diet Coke

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and Lilla think about Frank's Red Hot, which is a lie,

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I do care. But if I didn't care, I could still

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be like, but I need to know, like,

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what happens to the plot this week, you

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know? So the fact that there's like low-key a

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plot means that you want to keep coming,

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even if you, for whatever reason, didn't want to hear

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your view

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of Chewy Granola Bars. And speaking

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of which, can you give me some kind of highlights

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and lowlights of the snacks that you've tried

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thus far? You've tried so many, and

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I'm just curious

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what have been your favorites and

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your misadventures. Okay, so

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the worst snack we had, there's

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a company that does these like

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candy and cookie pop kind of

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things. It's like popcorn with some

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kind of candy mixed in, which is a great idea

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on the surface. I liked their Oreo

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pop. But then they did a fucking

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sour patch kids popcorn.

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And the way that they bind

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their candy bits is using this

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like sweet cream

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kind of thing, kind of like an Oreo filling.

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So popcorn plus like Oreo

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filling type thing plus Sour

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Patch Kids.

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It tastes like fucking death. It's

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like it's one of the most because we eat

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the snacks like live on air and you

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can just hear both of us just like

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kind of panic on here because

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it's just like oh god what have

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we just put in our bodies um I

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tried to keep those fresh for as long as I could

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just so like when people would come over to my apartment

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I'd just be like here do you want to just have

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one of the weirdest sensations you've ever had in

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your mouth ever another one

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and this one I do still have around

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another uh just absolute bottom

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of the barrel snack is Jelly Belly

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did a beer flavored jelly bean. Huh.

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And it just

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tastes like somebody mixed

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just like simple syrup and beer. Mm-hmm.

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And it's nasty.

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It's so bad. Well,

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I was looking all of these treats up

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while you were talking, and good news,

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you can get a 48-pack of the

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Jelly Belly beer beans for $144. So

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you get stocked.

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Yeah, that's the thing is like we always

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have like the good snacks never

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stick around and like you can

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apparently walk into a Costco and

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buy like an 18 pack of the

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Sour Patch Kids popcorn. Yeah. this

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day, which I consider

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like an affront to just all

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things that

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that if there's anybody out there who

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actually likes those, I don't wanna meet

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them. Yeah, I'm looking at the image

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right now and it is troubling. And then it also populated

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like people also ask and some of the questions

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are normal,

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like can vegans eat Sour Patch

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Kids? But then the question right above that is, do Sour

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Patch Kids have meat in them? Yeah,

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just chunks of meat. Just chunks of meat in the Sour

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Patch Kids because they are made of children. So you are eating

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the child meat. Incredible,

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beautiful.

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How are you still coming up with

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snacks? Like you asked me, you were like, what's your favorite snack?

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We could talk about it. I'm like, how are there still snacks left?

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We do rely a lot on novelty because

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like there's a few companies out there. Like

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Trolley is just always just belting out new

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snacks of questionable quality.

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And then I don't know if you're familiar with Five

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Below. It's like a dollar store, but

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it's where weird snacks go to die, basically.

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Yeah, I don't know this store, but I'm glad that

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they exist so that you can have a snack graveyard.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like every weird

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snack that wouldn't move all of

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the like grocery stores will just

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like wholesale to five below like

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Duff the the beer from the Simpsons they

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had a Duff sparkling water.

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Oh, no that tasted nothing

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like beer, which was hilarious. It's

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actually really good but it costs like

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three dollars for a can so

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Like fuck that I

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feel like sometimes the partnerships are so troubling

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like I would eat those um hippies,

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which are like little

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vegan Cheetos a lot. And then they

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did a collab where they put huge minions

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on the cover and it actually made them, I feel, taste

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worse because it did feel like these look too

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similar to minions to be

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comfortable now. Yeah, yeah.

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But I did buy one bag because of the

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huge tropical minion because I was going to the beach

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and I was like, she's on theme, baby, let's bring

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her. That's beautiful. Anyway,

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okay, this is a perfect pivot to

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if you're on stay of staying in and having a nice

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snack, which is something that you tweeted.

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And I know this was a joke

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that we then took and ran with,

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but how are you feeling about

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it sort of being out in the world, your

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honest opinion here on this podcast that I'm making

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where I'm asking you to review the thing I did?

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It's one of the coolest thing that's ever happened

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to me. Honestly, like,

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and yeah, so you just took something that

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I thought about for

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maybe four and a half seconds and then

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typed a jokey little response to your tweet

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and you turned it into something positive, which I

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think is just awesome. And like, I

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regularly brag about that to people

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that like, yeah, I

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just made a silly little joke and then it turned into something

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amazing.

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Oh, well good. Well, I love

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to create more work for myself, so that works.

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Okay, before we run out of time, Fast and Furious,

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baby. I don't even know what to do with

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this. I just wrote Fast and Furious with like 20 exclamation

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points. So what do we do here? So

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ever since

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you started talking to me about Fast and Furious,

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and honestly, ever since I got into Fast and Furious,

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I've had this question rotating

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in my brain like a cube. What

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do queer and trans people find so

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interesting about Fast and Furious? Because I know I

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glommed onto it really hard. I know a lot of people

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who did. But there's

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no one thing about it that makes

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perfect sense. There's certainly

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queer readings to be had of the

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Fast and Furious family. It's

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like a found family narrative and all of that

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kind of thing. There's also the thing

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that kind of occurred to me, the very trans experience

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that the Fast and Furious franchise had of

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being mid for like the first four

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movies. The

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first movie is great, but then like there's a

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hard dip after that and

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it doesn't really get good again until five.

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Like all of that doesn't really add

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up to so many

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of the trans people I know.

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I mean, Dom Toretto's

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like backstory is his

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dad was killed and rather than

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like processing his

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emotions in any meaningful way, he just destroyed

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a man's face with a pie crunch.

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And that just seems to be like the through

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line that carries this character through the rest

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of the films is that like he cannot

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process his emotions through anything

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other than like violence or

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driving cars very fast, which

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maybe it's on purpose. Wait, OK,

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but speaking of D&D again, Vin Diesel

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famously huge D&D nerd.

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Yes. The story of

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on the set of Chronicles of Riddick that

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he DMed a game of Dungeons

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and Dragons that included amongst its players

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Dame Judi Dench, which

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there's there's no moat of human history

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that I would rather be a fly

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on the wall for. Right. Than that game

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of Dungeons and Dragons.

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That's going to do it for today's bonus episode.

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If you would like to hear my full hour long

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conversation with Lilith, which I honestly cannot

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recommend enough, you can find it exclusively

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at Patreon.com slash gender.

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When you join us there, you are also helping us

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make the show, supporting our grant program.

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It also signed you up for our newsletter. It

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signed you up for all of the other bonus podcasts

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we've ever put out. And it allows

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you to participate in our second annual

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patron survey, which influences

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the future of the podcast,

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which is out right now as well. And

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also you'll get updates on our Fast and Furious

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fanzine. What's that? Who can say? You

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can find Lilith on Twitter at

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death carpets. You can find us at gender

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reveal. I think we're both on Instagram

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as well, who can know I'm losing my mind. You

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can donate to Trans Day of Snack Mutual Aid Fund

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at the various links I said earlier, your output links

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in the journals

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as well. You can also just send money directly

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to your friend for a snack. And that's great too. Speaking

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of which, do not forget to apply for a nice snack

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at bit.ly slash t-d-o-s-2-o-2-3. Please

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tell your friends and community who live in states

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impacted by the horrific anti-trans legislation

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going around right now. And just, you know,

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have a nice snack and try to hang in there today. It's brutal

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out there, as one Miss Olivia Rodrigo

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would say. This episode

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was produced and edited by Ozzy Leenis Goodman

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and by me, Tuck Lidstock. Our logo

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is by Ira M. Lai, our theme

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song at Big Red Master Cylinder. Have

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a great snack, and we'll be back as soon as

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we can with more feelings about gender.

18:44

I was starting a new Pokemon save, and

18:47

you know, the Pokemon question that it's

18:49

been asking since Pokemon Crystal, are

18:51

you a boy or are you a girl? I realized

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like, oh, hey, I've been choosing girl for

18:56

every Pokemon game where there was an option.

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I wonder why that is. And then

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just immediately I was like, oh,

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so now it's asking me my name. This is very

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important suddenly because this is my

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new name.