In this episode, James Fry talks about how he was enticed into a white supremacist group as a young man, and how he found his way out.

After experiencing a number of years of terrible bullying, James was searching for an identity and found himself putting his anger and confusion into drug use and being part of a sub-culture that nurtured white supremacist thinking.

His ideological standpoint started to shift when his mother found a white nationalist’s newspaper under his bed.

Fry explains, “I’d come downstairs one morning, and my Mum was holding up a white nationalist newspaper she had found under my bed … she said ‘this isn’t you. You used to stand up for the underdog. … I remember being lost for words.”

To hear what James Fry has to say about human resilience in overcoming significant social and personal disruption, listen to Julian Leeser MP’s podcast , Getting a Grip with James Fry.