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2:00

I'm Jonathan Van Ness. This

2:02

week, we're talking to Kimberly Snyder, who's

2:05

a New York Times bestselling author and

2:07

nutritionist who's focused on inner beauty and

2:09

health. And can I

2:11

just say you guys, this conversation was giving

2:13

me vulnerability, it was giving

2:15

me connection, it was giving me like, Oh,

2:19

I thought I knew I was gonna ask

2:21

Kimberly about but then we talked about all

2:23

of these other things. And now I'm like

2:25

obsessed with her and also in real life,

2:27

we actually recorded this episode a few weeks

2:29

ago. And I've integrated a

2:32

lot of the things that I learned from her

2:34

into my daily life over these last few weeks.

2:36

And can I say that it

2:38

has really been helping, really

2:40

been helping this conversation with Kimberly, though I love

2:42

her so much. But first, let's do our product

2:44

review. If you

2:48

guys saw that post I did on Instagram

2:50

a few weeks ago about how to wash

2:52

your hair in the shower. You

2:55

will notice that I was holding up that wet brush.

2:58

Wet brushes are one of my most important

3:00

hair care tools. It's something that I use

3:03

almost every day. I use

3:06

wet brushes in the shower, like I always have

3:08

one in the shower to distribute the conditioner throughout

3:10

my hair. And also it

3:12

really doesn't matter what hair texture you

3:14

have. It's nice to get

3:16

your hair detangled and conditioned in the

3:18

shower because in the conditioner, when

3:21

you're distributing the conditioner throughout your hair

3:23

in the shower, like section by section

3:25

using that wet brush to like detangle and

3:27

work the conditioner throughout your hair, it

3:30

really allows for the conditioner to

3:32

like surround every single hair strand

3:34

individually so that each hair strand

3:36

can get the full benefit of

3:38

the conditioner. And it also

3:40

helps to like make your detangling and your

3:42

styling process a little quicker and easier out

3:44

of the shower because you've already done a

3:47

lot of that legwork up front. The

3:50

wet brush that I have in that video

3:52

kind of has like pointed bristles.

3:54

They're kind of like spiky. And that's

3:57

cool. I just, I just like so happen to have a lot of hair.

4:00

have that one. I kind of like the classic one

4:02

better. But they're

4:04

both great. And whether you have like one eight of

4:06

four C hair, we get that question

4:08

a lot in comments like Oh, I was told not to

4:10

brush my hair wet or not to brush my hair dry.

4:12

As long as you have

4:14

conditioner in your hair, when it's wet, you're

4:17

not going to damage your hair. They're talking

4:19

about like brushing wet hair with like no

4:21

leave in, like no spray

4:23

leave in no detangler. When they're talking about

4:26

like it's like that noise of like that.

4:29

When you're like brushing your wet hair, that's the noise

4:31

you want to avoid. But as long as you have

4:33

conditioner in your hair, it's got the buffer

4:35

and you're going to be okay. So

4:37

I think it's really good. It really improves

4:40

the integrity of your hair to distribute the

4:42

conditioner through your hair in the shower. And

4:44

then when you're out of the shower, same

4:46

deal wet brush to distribute whatever styling products

4:48

throughout your hair. And even like

4:51

right now, like I have my hair super curly in

4:53

real life. I brushed every single

4:55

section of my hair with a wet brush when my

4:57

hair was wet. And then I scrunched it and my

4:59

hair got this curly. So it really doesn't

5:01

take the curl out of your hair. It just

5:03

helps to like more evenly distribute the product,

5:05

I think. But everyone has like their

5:08

own rhyme or reason. So and everyone has like

5:10

individual ways of like styling their hair. But in

5:12

my 20 year plus career,

5:14

that's what I think works. Great.

5:16

Okay. So

5:20

why I sell? Yves Saint Laurent.

5:22

Yves Saint Laurent. Right? That's

5:24

how we say it. I'm very fashion very

5:26

beauty. I know they've announced that Dua Lipa

5:28

who has some of my favorite red hair

5:31

color in the game right now will be

5:33

their global makeup ambassador. Dua Lipa has served

5:35

as the ambassador for their Libre fragrance since

5:37

2019. And now she'll

5:39

also be the face of their cosmetics. Come

5:42

on girl, we love to see it.

5:44

A few days before the announcement YSL

5:46

deleted their entire Instagram grid, calling it

5:48

a social media reset. But luxury

5:50

beauty brands are really pushing themselves to stay

5:52

relevant as Gen Z consumers are more

5:54

and more obsessed with viral beauty products

5:57

and find their products more and more

5:59

expensive. I'm excited for Gen

6:01

Z to realize that like so much

6:03

of this gimmicky bullshit is just silly

6:05

and really it matters like the ingredients

6:07

and the application and like how how

6:10

well something works for

6:12

them. I'm really trying to push for more

6:14

in JVN here especially that like it's

6:17

about classic it's about classic

6:19

applications that have new

6:22

spins and like new technology but I want to

6:24

get away from this gimmickyness. It's like if

6:26

it works it works but we still have to understand

6:28

like the basics like how

6:30

do you wash your hair? How do you

6:32

put on skincare before you put on your

6:35

makeup? Of all the luxury brands though that

6:37

our pretty curious guests have mentioned YSL consistently

6:39

seems to be one of the favorites and

6:41

it's and it looks like they're stepping up

6:43

their marketing too. So that's exciting and we'll

6:45

see what happens with YSL's beauty.

6:47

I hope it goes great for them. I want I want

6:50

success for everybody. I mean how exciting for them

6:52

that they can afford do a leap because I

6:54

bet that was not a cheap influencer

6:57

marketing check to cut but

6:59

now let's get to our conversation with Kimberly Snyder

7:01

again. I love this so much. Let's

7:04

get into that combo. Kimberly

7:08

Snyder is a nutritionist New York

7:10

Times bestselling author and co-author of

7:12

the book Radical Beauty with Deepak

7:14

Chopra. She's also the founder

7:17

of Saluna a holistic lifestyle brand

7:19

and the host of the Feel

7:21

Good podcast. She's worked with the

7:23

cousins of top celebrities to feel

7:26

their best including Drew Barrymore, Reese

7:28

Witherspoon, Kerry Washington and Channing Tatum.

7:30

Hello and is regularly featured in

7:32

press in places like Good Morning

7:34

America, The Today Show, Bogue and

7:36

The Wall Street Journal. Kimberly, how

7:39

are you? I am

7:41

doing so great Jonathan. So happy to be

7:43

with you right now right here. Let's

7:45

just like get right into it. So basically today

7:47

we're asking about like, I think about

7:50

this a lot about like, just

7:52

talking about nutrition and health, it could activate so

7:54

much shame. I think for a lot of people

7:56

who have disordered eating or who are survivors of

7:58

having an eating disorder. It's just

8:01

all of our defenses come up and we

8:03

can just I feel at least for me

8:05

being a public figure I feel like when

8:07

I've ever ventured into it, you

8:09

can just have so many people jumping

8:12

down your throat so fast. How

8:14

can so if you have struggled with disordered eating,

8:17

how can we reconcile that with like wanting to

8:19

eat healthier or even just like thinking about the

8:22

idea of health? Yes,

8:24

thank you so much Jonathan for bringing

8:26

this to light. And I want to

8:28

say right off the bat that I

8:30

am someone that has struggled with eating

8:32

disorders. I was bulimorexic in high school

8:35

and then I was a chronic dieter

8:37

for many years and then I swung

8:39

the other way in college was a

8:41

big party or gained a lot of

8:43

weight struggled with a lot of bloating.

8:45

So I understand very much how challenging

8:48

it can be to have to face food every

8:50

day. It's different if you're an

8:52

alcoholic and you can move away from it

8:54

completely but food is in our face. It's part of

8:56

our lives. So we can really

8:58

shift into this more holistic

9:00

way Jonathan and when I say

9:02

holistic I mean thinking about the

9:04

whole. So your

9:07

analogy about the chicken before the egg

9:09

we can actually reframe it's beautiful. We

9:12

can look at it from the Ayurvedic standpoint which

9:14

is as the micro so is the macro. So

9:16

what that means is am I going to look

9:18

good? Am I going to have more energy? Am

9:20

I going to you know be fit all of these

9:23

things? Yes, right? When we

9:25

are approaching this holistic way yes to

9:27

all of it. It doesn't mean one

9:29

thing or the other. So

9:31

the problem that I see in

9:33

our society is this very fragmented

9:35

approach very linear very focused on

9:38

numbers counting calories restricting carbs counting

9:40

protein everything makes us more obsessed

9:42

instead when we branch out and

9:44

we start to first of all

9:46

see ourselves as energy right. So

9:49

what we're the food we're

9:51

putting in our bodies is becoming part of our

9:53

energy. So it shifts the way we look at

9:55

food and for me one of my key

9:58

components of my philosophy And

10:00

I've done this with many of my celebrity

10:02

clients and clients. I work with mom, dad,

10:05

students, all sorts of people is

10:07

I detox them from numbers because

10:11

when we put our words in, how much do I

10:13

weigh? How old am I? How many

10:15

followers do I have? How many calories have

10:17

I eaten? We start to become more and

10:19

more anxious. And that anxiousness,

10:21

guess what? It constricts your GI tract.

10:24

It depletes your digestion. It pulls

10:26

circulation out of your GI tract.

10:29

It makes you more bloated. Cortisol

10:31

gets secreted, which is wrinkles, belly

10:33

fat. So we want to

10:35

relax and start to look

10:37

at food in more holistic terms,

10:40

freshness, fiber, how more

10:42

or least processed is it,

10:45

the quality of the ingredients. And so what

10:47

I do, Jada said, is I detox people

10:49

off this very rigid approach and it becomes

10:51

more relaxed. And then you start to trust

10:54

food again. You start to say, hey, wait

10:56

a minute. I'm not bringing a calculator to

10:58

dinner, but my digestion is better, which is

11:00

a huge focus of my work. So

11:03

I have more energy. I'm able to digest. My

11:05

skin is glowing by the way. So

11:07

to your point, I mean, I

11:09

don't mean me. I mean anyone, but right. We

11:12

can be hotter, but also have more

11:14

energy and also be more joyful because

11:16

our worth isn't so tied up in

11:18

these numbers and food. Kimberly, I

11:20

am literally crying. It hit me

11:23

so hard. Didn't expect it.

11:26

You guys, I feel like I haven't

11:29

really been talking about it, but I

11:31

have had the worst

11:33

anxiety of my life in

11:35

the last like six months.

11:39

So much anxiety, like anxiety, like I've

11:41

just never experienced and there's been a

11:43

lot of work stuff. There's been a

11:45

lot of personal stuff, but one

11:48

correlation that I just like did

11:50

not make at all is

11:54

the numbers. Whether

11:56

it's downloads, whether it's how something

11:59

is selling. whether it's like

12:01

the sale of something like JV and

12:03

hair things, podcasting,

12:06

just so many numbers and as I

12:08

become an entrepreneur I am just so

12:10

much more aware of all of these

12:13

fucking numbers and I am so anxious

12:17

like and not to be

12:19

TMI, but my new like

12:21

hypochondriac obsession is colon cancer because

12:23

I like all these like articles

12:25

about like colon cancer coming in

12:27

younger people, but my poop has

12:29

been so crazy like I'm having

12:31

fiber pills I'm like sure and

12:33

I'm like, but I'm

12:36

so anxious. I'm like either I'm calling cancer or

12:38

I'm anxious or I suppose I'm freaking out and

12:40

my shit is all In

12:42

consistent Kimberly's so just as you were saying that I

12:45

was like, it's the numbers. I have to be some

12:47

numbers Jonathan one how

12:49

we approach one thing is how we

12:51

approach everything. Yeah, that's true In which

12:53

we look at food when we start

12:55

to heal and Introduce some

12:57

really small simple steps into your life Especially

12:59

in the morning routine to break you out

13:01

of that it starts to create a pattern

13:03

across your life where you say to yourself

13:06

Other people care about numbers, but I

13:08

don't have to define my worth by

13:11

that, right? Jonathan in his essence why

13:13

you're so loved and lovable is this

13:15

free spirit that cannot be contained into

13:17

numbers Right, so we don't want

13:19

to start looking at the scale looking at a

13:22

birthday being like oh shit. I'm a year older

13:24

No one's gonna love me. I'm getting to

13:27

all these thoughts all the ego is feeding

13:29

us is not the truth Right.

13:31

So the great news is it's we start

13:33

to break that pattern with again starting in

13:36

the morning This is how I always work

13:38

with clients very accessible steps So that you

13:40

can start to feel this fullness of your

13:42

energy and even if there's a lot of

13:45

discussion around numbers You don't have to get

13:47

so dragged in right? You don't want to

13:50

Get pulled because it only depletes you

13:52

and to your point our digestion is

13:54

so key in how quickly we age

13:57

How great our hair is how great

13:59

our skin is like? the hotness is

14:01

connected to our health, to the colon

14:03

cancer. Our poop, our bowel movements every

14:05

day should be formed. They should be

14:08

coming every day. We shouldn't be, they

14:10

shouldn't be little balls. We shouldn't be

14:12

straining. I'm getting little balls. I'm getting

14:14

little balls. I'm getting thin ass poop.

14:17

But I'm drinking so much water and I started having

14:19

that just for him, fiber pills. I don't know what's

14:21

going on. No, but what did

14:23

I say Jonathan about wholeness? Fiber

14:25

pills is fiber extracted, right? We

14:27

want whole vegetables, whole foods, plant

14:30

foods have fiber. Yeah. What the

14:32

fuck can I have for more fiber? Like,

14:34

okay. Okay. You're going to

14:36

drink my glowing green smoothie. I want to

14:38

make it for you one day. All my

14:40

clients from Drew to Reese to Channing to

14:42

Chris Hemsworth to Kerry Washington

14:44

swear by this fiber filled drink. The

14:46

recipe is on my website, my saluna.com

14:48

for free. Okay. You drink this one

14:51

drink every day. It's whole foods. This

14:53

is not a juice. This is going

14:55

to add at least 10 to 15

14:57

grams of fiber. But back to our

15:00

whole concept here is wholeness. We don't

15:02

want to split ourselves into, here's the

15:04

number part of me and here's, you

15:06

know, who I really am and here's

15:08

my beauty. It's all one thing, Jonathan,

15:10

right? So in the morning when you

15:12

take in this wholeness of nature, you

15:14

go back to your true nature, your

15:16

true self, this unique, creative, free soul,

15:19

right? This is who you are. This

15:21

is what radiates out of you. So

15:23

the more of that we put in

15:25

versus, oh, I'm taking fiber pills and

15:27

then I'm taking a million supplements and then

15:29

I'm fear-based about the colon cancer and then

15:32

I'm obsessed with the numbers. Do you see

15:34

the patterns and how it connects versus when

15:36

we start to take in nourishment in this

15:38

more holistic way? I want you to start

15:40

the day, Jonathan, with hot water, with lemon.

15:43

Why? A lemon comes from nature. It grows

15:45

on the tree, the sunlight. It's the light

15:47

embodied in a whole form. You're going to

15:49

cut it in half and you're going to

15:51

put it in a mug like this of

15:53

warm water. It's so simple, but this starts

15:56

to connect you to self-care,

15:58

to self-worth. Worthy of

16:00

this Whole Foods. Squeeze it in

16:02

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16:04

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16:07

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16:09

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16:11

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16:13

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16:15

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16:19

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16:21

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16:23

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16:25

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16:30

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16:32

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16:34

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16:36

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16:39

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16:41

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16:43

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16:45

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16:47

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16:49

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16:51

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16:53

right? not all over the place. even

16:55

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16:57

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16:59

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17:01

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really been G m I just went to

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find fucking Balance clean I don't know how

19:50

to do as like the beta my existence.

19:52

Still, first of all i say there's

19:54

a nutritionist silencing when i was trying

19:56

to heal myself yeah and now i

19:58

work in this land swim always works

20:01

with clients of four cornerstone framework, which

20:03

is food, body, emotional well

20:05

being and spiritual growth. The

20:07

only way this works is if we

20:09

nurture you as a whole being. And

20:11

when people don't have that support with

20:13

the emotions or what I define as

20:16

the spiritual growth, just connecting to who

20:18

we are on the inside, we overemphasize

20:20

food, we overemphasize the body, the physical

20:22

parts are what most people focus on

20:24

because it's tangible. It's like this is

20:26

what I need to fix. But there's

20:28

the whole other part of that. Right?

20:30

So what I see in you is

20:32

this amazing human who's

20:34

holding so much, right? It's like

20:37

this crushing weight, entrepreneur, businesses, family,

20:39

husband, public figure, you know, has

20:41

to be funny and witty, doesn't

20:43

want to, you know, offend people,

20:45

there's just so much on you.

20:47

So what we

20:50

need to do is create a

20:52

system of nourishment. That isn't just

20:54

what you're eating from a caloric

20:56

standpoint, because the nourishment again, everything's

20:58

connected your organ health, your energy,

21:01

your vitality, everything can work better

21:03

when we look at it as

21:05

a whole. So what I

21:07

would like to work with is the first 15 to

21:09

30 minutes of

21:12

each day, right? This is

21:14

where Jonathan, this is the opportunity like

21:16

the rising sun, how we shift the

21:18

energy, the rest of your day can

21:21

get crazy, you can get a million emails, come in,

21:23

you have to be here, you have to be there,

21:25

you have to be performing. But in the morning, Jonathan,

21:27

this is our chance to get

21:29

into your body, to start

21:32

a pattern of deep belly breathing,

21:34

to have even an eight minute meditation.

21:37

And the new meditation, the heart aligned meditation

21:39

that I just created with heart math, we

21:41

did a study, and it got you into

21:44

coherence 29% more in

21:46

four weeks. What that means is clarity, focus,

21:48

calmness, because now we're working with the

21:50

heart, the brain and the nervous system.

21:52

So I'm going to send you the

21:54

track on my clients now do this

21:56

before, right? So nourishment, and being

21:59

skinny, and being beautiful on the

22:01

outside is not just about working out

22:03

and eating, right? For instance, this

22:06

stress, this adrenaline in this

22:08

cortisol makes your poop effed

22:10

up. It will make your

22:12

skin age much faster, right? It all

22:14

needs to work together. Something happens like

22:16

with your family member and then you're

22:19

off with the food. So it's the

22:21

stability of the lifestyle. So

22:23

when we wake up, this is an opportunity

22:25

to create a foundation and it will build

22:27

over time and then we can start to

22:29

work with your lunch and your dinner, but

22:31

it has to start in the morning. So

22:33

the morning is when ideally, I'm giving you

22:35

my ideal here, you would sit and

22:38

you wouldn't be on your phone for 15 minutes. No,

22:40

it's like right away being pulled

22:42

onto Instagram or TikTok or whatever. We come

22:45

in the body. Boom. You

22:47

listen to your meditation track, you breathe,

22:49

you feel really clear. You

22:52

then you go into your kitchen like this,

22:54

you get hydrated with room temperature water,

22:57

you drink your hot water with lemon, you

23:00

take your two SBO probiotics. Now your gut

23:02

health is going to be activated, which is

23:04

going to help with neurotransmitters, your health, your

23:06

digestion, everything starting an up, up,

23:09

up. Then 20 minutes later, Jonathan is going

23:11

to have either his black coffee or his

23:14

black coffee with 2%. If that's all you're

23:16

having in the morning at that point, that's

23:19

the best way to do it. Then

23:21

by mid morning, by 10 or 11,

23:23

you're going to have your glowing green

23:25

smoothie. It is not okay to go

23:27

all the way until you start to

23:29

get testy and reach for those bad

23:31

food choices because you've gone so long.

23:34

It doesn't mean we need to introduce

23:36

concentrated fat and concentrated protein if you're

23:38

not really hungry, but the fiber, Jonathan,

23:40

and the energy you're going to have

23:42

from these green vegetables and this whole

23:44

fruit. There's also a low sugar version

23:46

for people that are concerned with that,

23:48

but the green apples or just this wholeness

23:50

of nature is going to make you

23:52

a machine of energy. Then

23:56

you've gotten so much nutrition. We're up,

23:58

up, up. Then We can. Work

24:00

with the mid afternoon healthy snacks and

24:02

you have a little west and again

24:04

or whatever you have for dinner, you're

24:06

going to take three digestive enzymes first

24:09

rate because we're going beyond numbers That

24:11

helps you break down and assimilate that

24:13

or whatever you're eating. Raw

24:15

Foods has digestive enzymes but we cut

24:17

our food mostly rights to the enzymes,

24:19

help you absorb the amino acids to

24:21

build healthy hair and healthy protein and

24:23

your bike rides. And until you break

24:25

down the facts with that stored as

24:27

fat in your body is are completely

24:29

natural sexes and times right? We have

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24:34

even to take those and then you're

24:36

going to start dinner with a salad.

24:38

This. Is a natural form of portion control. Get

24:40

the fiber in and then whatever you going to

24:43

have for dinner is going to clock com afterwards.

24:45

But we started dinner and just give you some

24:47

quick points on it. and of course I'd love

24:49

to. Look more, I'm obsessive. You know, more? Indepth

24:51

by the salad and the enzymes are

24:53

what I call with my clients. the

24:56

bullet proof vest like fibers Here is

24:58

your having it to see Not so

25:00

you're having a T deirdre having fried

25:02

chicken At least there's a coating of

25:04

cyber so that food hits with the

25:06

enzymes and the salad is going to

25:08

escort so your g I talked more

25:10

effectively. It will break down more quickly

25:13

and it's are having a really healthy

25:15

dinner at. Let's say you're having like

25:17

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25:19

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25:21

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25:36

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25:38

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25:42

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25:44

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25:46

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28:03

so if someone's listening now and they're just

28:05

like, Okay, I'm fucking obsessed. Like I want

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to sign up. Where do we need to

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be following you? Where can people because also

28:11

you I love everything you said about simplicity,

28:13

but like also your skincare products like we

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need to hear about that. How do you

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do your formulas tell us about Saluna and

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where people can stay up to date with

28:21

what you're doing. So

28:24

our main hub is my

28:26

saluna.com. S O L L

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U N a.com. And you know what

28:30

saluna means, Jonathan? What's on in the moon?

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Oh, yeah. So Luna, yeah. Oh, yes.

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Right. The wholeness of us. So

28:36

we have our amazing, which I

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our vitamin C serum. So

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everything is over on our site. I've written

29:03

1000s of blogs articles. I also have

29:05

the feel good podcast Jonathan, I would love

29:07

for you to come on some please. So

29:10

everything's over there on the website. The

29:12

guided audio tracks for the meditations. We're

29:14

going to upload the new one. We

29:16

just did the study for it as

29:19

well. So everything's on there. I love

29:21

that. So what are

29:23

you hope? Because so much of

29:25

this resonates so much for me. And I

29:27

feel like the larger

29:29

my career has become, I feel like

29:33

whether it was like doing my show on

29:35

Netflix or JB and hair or just anything

29:38

that's like ever been through

29:41

like criticism or feedback. It's

29:43

like, I've just, it

29:46

just hurts. And it makes

29:48

you get more like just

29:53

more scared to be vulnerable. Like I used

29:55

to be like less scared of being vulnerable.

29:57

Now I feel a little bit more garden.

30:00

How do you deal with that? Like just

30:02

like being in. Well, at your level,

30:04

I mean, so I remember I did

30:06

a Good Morning segment and we're all

30:08

so free when we start, right? And

30:10

then there was this letter sent

30:13

to Good Morning America from the

30:15

American Dietetics Association because I had

30:17

said something about diet soda. And

30:20

they were like, Oh, you know, we give it

30:22

to our diabetes patients and things. And they were

30:24

like, she's a certified nutritionist. She's not a dietitian.

30:26

She's just like, I felt really attacked and I

30:28

was getting all these letters from them. So

30:31

I understand when we're just like, I was

30:33

just trying to put out something good. Right?

30:36

So what I think for you,

30:38

Jonathan, especially you just, again, our

30:40

practices are going to ground you

30:42

in yourself, but you have to

30:44

remember no matter what. And as

30:47

you continue to rise, that you

30:49

are, you are literally a light

30:51

for so many people. And

30:53

it's easy for the human brain

30:55

to look at that tiny percentage,

30:57

especially for us with disordered eating

30:59

perfectionism. Right? So I really will,

31:02

you know, I think for you

31:04

to protect this amazing creative energy,

31:06

I would really say be

31:08

very, again, nourishment, are you going to teach

31:10

us that everything that's coming in is a

31:13

form of nourishment? Everything we watch, everything we

31:15

see, if you can just have someone

31:17

on your team go through the comments

31:20

and send you ones that you may want to answer,

31:22

just tune out. Don't give your power to

31:24

those comments. Don't even look at them. Don't

31:26

even read them because that's someone that had

31:29

a bad day, someone that's just projecting and

31:31

we don't want with the word, the world

31:33

needs your light. Right? So

31:35

you just have to be very, and all

31:37

my clients do this. They do it really

31:39

well where they're not reading all these horrible

31:41

comments. Everybody gets them. Kimberly, can

31:43

I tell you Gretchen, literally Gretchen

31:46

Rubin, she has this really cool podcast,

31:48

this really cool book. It's about like

31:50

happiness. Yes. She's on my podcast too.

31:52

I love Gretchen. My plan

31:54

was to only look at comments for one

31:56

little time in the morning,

31:59

not right away. but then in like one little time

32:01

at night. And

32:03

I stayed on that. I do think I've

32:05

done it less, but I wasn't like as

32:08

rigid as, and she didn't

32:10

tell me to be rigid, but she actually said

32:12

to be flexible and to like, like, re-consult my

32:14

plan and like change it as needed. But

32:17

it's just, I

32:19

really do need to do that. Like

32:23

just get out of them fucking comments.

32:25

Cause it makes me crazy. It really

32:27

does. So let me tell you

32:29

something. When I'm dealing with someone, people

32:31

have different personalities. Some people give

32:33

up ice cream. I'm just using

32:36

this example, cold turkey, right? Some

32:38

people like to lean off a little bit

32:41

at the time, but for

32:43

most people in my experience, including myself,

32:45

I had disordered eating, it's the cold

32:47

turkey. We don't keep it in the

32:49

kitchen because otherwise it starts off innocently

32:52

and it goes to be a huge

32:54

problem. That's why I think for you

32:56

saying, oh, a couple of minutes here and there, why

32:59

should that ding your energy? Every ding

33:01

is your nervous system. Every ding is

33:03

your digestion. Every ding is your health.

33:05

Do not give your power away. You

33:07

give so much to the world. I'm

33:09

getting dinged. Actually, I'm getting kicked

33:11

in the nuts every fucking time I turn

33:13

around. So I really do gotta like protect

33:15

my nut. No, you have to protect

33:17

yourself. This is a key to your

33:20

health, Jonathan. You are an innovator.

33:22

You are creative power.

33:25

And I'm telling you without naming names, all

33:27

the many celebrities I've worked with, they

33:29

all feel this. Suddenly I'm

33:31

out in the world and I'm getting dinged

33:34

and it affects people in different ways. Everybody

33:36

that I have met, that's a big star,

33:38

deals with it in different ways. And

33:40

I'm telling you right now, we have

33:43

to protect this energy. Otherwise giving away

33:45

your health, your vitality, your joy, your

33:47

peace, no way. You

33:50

are shining out. So this is

33:52

what we do. We focus on

33:54

your health, those moments, meditation, probiotic

33:56

gut health, good food. And then

33:58

it's like, I'm shining. I'm not taking

34:00

in so much from you guys. Do

34:03

you see what I mean? You're shining, this is your

34:05

way of giving love. That wisdom is there. I

34:08

just have to tap back into it. That's

34:11

it. Kimberly,

34:13

are you taking new clients because I really need to work

34:15

with you. My shit's all fucked up. My

34:18

Deena Charia is all fucked up. I need to

34:20

get it together with you. Yes. Okay,

34:23

so this was definitely my most vulnerable episode of

34:25

Pretty Curious Ever. Do

34:27

you want to jump

34:29

into our final segment,

34:31

which is our rapid fire segment? Yes. Okay,

34:34

it's time for our rapid fire segment.

34:38

What is your go-to budget beauty recommendation under

34:40

$10? Coconut oil. I love

34:42

it. I put it

34:45

in my hair. I put it on my skin

34:47

as a natural moisturizer. I

34:50

love it. I do love

34:52

it on the skin. Some hair. Maybe

34:54

not for hair. Maybe not for hair. Don't love it on

34:56

hair. Well, it's just because it's a medium chain fatty acid.

34:58

So it kind of like, it sits

35:01

on the outside of the hair brand

35:03

and kind of doesn't let other smaller

35:05

molecules penetrate. And so sometimes it can

35:07

actually make the hair really brittle if

35:09

you have a lot of

35:11

highlights chemically treated hair, which you do not have.

35:14

So if your hair is virgin and not

35:16

super color treated or just you're going darker,

35:19

it's fine. But

35:21

if you have a lot of bleaching in

35:23

the hair or lightening in the hair, and

35:25

then you're putting coconut oil on it, then

35:27

it's not good because it actually prevents whatever

35:29

heat protect it or proteins or whatever is

35:32

in your other thing from penetrating it. So

35:34

it's cool if it's more virgin. It's

35:36

not as cool if it's more color

35:38

treated. So lower porosity, it's cool. Higher

35:41

porosity, not as cool because you don't want

35:43

it absorbing that much of that heavy ass

35:46

oil. But on the skin, I

35:48

slathered that shit on my elbows, my knees, my heels.

35:51

I love it on my skin so much, I can't stay at it. And

35:54

also, John, it's great for taking eye makeup off.

35:56

Yes, girl, fuck that punch. Do it with your,

35:58

do it for coconut. Oil, I love that.

36:01

Okay, what's your splurge recommendation? Like what's like your bougie

36:03

girl, it doesn't have to be beauty, it can be

36:05

Birkin. It can be, what's the thing that we're just

36:07

like, I'm coinzy and I need it and I can't

36:09

help it. And I need it.

36:11

It has to be a product because I'm really big

36:14

into massages. Oh, it can be massages, I love that.

36:16

Yeah, I think it's so important to get a great

36:18

massage from time to time. That's

36:20

really my splurge. Okay, I love that.

36:23

What's a product that you never leave home without?

36:27

Our SBO probiotics. Whenever

36:29

I travel or saloon of probiotics,

36:32

I will never not take those. And

36:34

they're just like once in the morning or is

36:36

it before each meal? Yes, so no, it's just

36:38

once in the morning, two capsules and you're done for

36:40

the day. Okay, I love that. What

36:43

is your most like inspiring

36:45

beauty muse or memory? Like

36:48

of a person, you're just like, oh my God, like

36:50

Sharon in that Mackie outfit and like the 80s Oscars

36:52

with like her headdress and like just like, what was

36:54

like your, like what's like a person who did a

36:56

look that you still think about? Okay,

36:58

you ready for it? You're not thinking of her

37:00

as beauty, but for me, Jane Austen is this

37:04

simple, glowy, confident.

37:07

Here I am, you hear my speech,

37:09

you know, what I'm speaking about and

37:12

she's just powerful. She's just herself. I

37:14

love her. I love that so fucking

37:16

much. Meh or major? Wearables.

37:20

Not for me. Too many

37:22

numbers. I like to be intuitive. Oh

37:25

yes, yes. Stanley cups. They

37:28

can be helpful for people. I don't

37:31

use them. It's kind of more math

37:33

for you. Okay, alkaline water. Yes,

37:35

I think that's important. Major. Math

37:37

or major? Yes, Cleen. Sticking with

37:39

it. Collagen supplements. I'm sorry, I

37:41

give commentary. I say,

37:44

man, because I'd rather use collagen

37:46

boosting ingredients, plant-based ingredients like silica

37:48

and bamboo. I don't like using

37:50

bovine products personally. Yours

37:52

girl, powdered protein. Yes,

37:54

major. Can be really helpful. The quality has

37:57

to be important, but major, yes. Matcha.

38:00

Major. I already know the

38:02

answer to this one, probiotics. No,

38:04

you don't. SCO.

38:08

What about prebiotic sodas? I

38:11

think if someone's going to have soda, it's

38:13

a better option. I don't

38:15

like how they taste necessarily, but it can

38:17

be good. So

38:20

major for a prebiotic soda. Yeah.

38:23

Yeah. Yeah. But

38:25

again, there's a variety, right? Some have better

38:27

ingredients than others. Okay, okay. Apple

38:30

cider vinegar. Major. It has to

38:32

be raw, though. I'm not going

38:34

to say why I have so much coffee. What about a

38:36

highly organized refrigerator? No,

38:41

I mean, the truth is that sounds nice. But

38:43

if you see my fridge with my kids

38:45

coming in and pulling things in and out, it's

38:47

more about what's in the fridge. Okay, it's not

38:49

always going to be organized, but we got

38:51

good stuff in there. You might have to rummage

38:54

around a little bit. You are just... You're

38:56

the light. And thank you so much for coming.

38:58

I'm pretty curious, and thanks for letting me be

39:01

really bold with you. And I feel like I learned so much. I

39:03

just love spending this time with you. Oh

39:05

my gosh, Jonathan. I love you so much. You

39:07

are an amazing soul. Thank you for having me

39:09

on. And I look forward to connecting

39:11

with you soon and more. Yes, Queen! Thank

39:13

you so much for that, Kimberly. It was so much fun.

39:17

You've been listening to Pretty Curious with me,

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