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On bubble. Hey

1:11

curious people, welcome to Pretty Curious,

1:13

our podcast on all things beauty.

1:15

I'm Jonathan Van Ness. This week

1:17

we're talking to one of my

1:19

favorite hair colorists. I've been following

1:21

her forever. She's based in

1:23

Los Angeles, Liz Jung. She's got tons

1:25

of celebrity clients. She has an incredible

1:28

story of who she assisted for, how she

1:31

started doing hair. I love her.

1:33

I'm fascinated by her and I just, we're

1:36

going deep on the tips and tricks for

1:38

coloring hair and what it takes to nail

1:40

a blonde transformation and also what you as a

1:42

client should expect, how

1:44

you can navigate the salon world and

1:46

really all the things that are happening

1:48

in salons in Los Angeles right now.

1:50

But first it's time to get ready

1:53

with me. part

2:00

of the pod. And also guys, now that Pretty Curious

2:02

is every Monday, when I think when we first started

2:04

Pretty Curious, as we were figuring out our cadence, I

2:06

was doing like, skincare, hair care,

2:09

like I was doing every single

2:11

like, category of product,

2:14

I'm going to pick one or two

2:16

because it's weekly and we want to

2:19

give you some something and give me

2:21

something to look forward to. But so

2:23

this week for our product review, we're

2:26

going high low, Aveeno shaving cream, you

2:28

guys I've been using Aveeno shaving cream

2:30

exclusively for I'm gonna say

2:33

13. No, like, sometimes

2:37

like 20. So I would say like 17 years, like

2:39

a long time. I love it.

2:42

I have really bad psoriasis things

2:44

that are fragranced really with like

2:47

fragrance shaving cream just really does not agree

2:49

with my face and Aveeno just does it

2:51

for me. I love it. I love them.

2:54

I've used them for 10 million years. I

2:56

love the light blue cap one. I love the

2:58

dark blue cap one. If you have sensitive skin, Aveeno

3:01

shave cream is for you. And also one other

3:03

tip I will just say really quickly, for anyone

3:06

who shaves, let the

3:08

shaving cream sit on your skin for like a

3:10

minute, like 45 seconds to a minute will actually

3:12

work its way under your hair and like lift

3:14

the hair up so you get a closer shave

3:16

and it lessens the chance that you're going to

3:18

get an ingrown hair. So whether you're shaving your

3:21

face, your legs, whatever, it's a good

3:23

tip. All right, let's get into some beauty news. We

3:28

knew that Beyonce was launching her hair

3:30

care line. She made it official. She

3:32

told us the name it is sacred.

3:35

Harry's sacred. The journey begins February 20. This

3:38

is the depth to with which I know

3:40

that I am like a healed person.

3:44

I am like, I'm

3:47

excited. I own a hair care company and

3:49

I'm so excited for Beyonce's.

3:51

I am so excited. Like I

3:54

am, I'm giving like rising tide lists

3:56

all ships. I feel like it is.

3:58

I am. I'm

4:01

so excited for Beyonce. I'm so excited

4:03

for these products. I just think there's

4:05

enough room for everyone to succeed. And

4:07

I'm so excited to see how she

4:09

approaches her hair care business. I'm a

4:11

huge fan of hers. I know it's

4:13

going to be amazing. I love Tina

4:15

Knowles. She's actually been like on my

4:17

top three getting curious list for like

4:19

six years. If

4:21

anyone knows Tina Knowles, we love

4:24

you Tina Knowles. But I just,

4:26

I am just really excited for

4:28

Beyonce. And I'm excited that more

4:31

people are creating innovative formulas to

4:33

bring to consumers. I think consumers

4:35

are more knowledgeable than

4:38

ever. And I'm so

4:40

grateful for the community

4:43

of folks who support JVN Hair, who have

4:46

shown up for JVN Hair and who continue to

4:48

show up for JVN Hair. And I

4:50

just, I love the hair care community. We are a

4:52

fun community. I love talking about hair care and I

4:54

cannot wait to see what Beyonce comes up with. Also,

4:58

in beauty news and hot takes, it

5:00

was a little bit I think the

5:02

Grammys was like last

5:05

week now so we had the Grammys. But can

5:07

we talk about Miley's hair? I love that

5:10

she went for a fully 80s silhouette

5:13

and modernized it on 2024. I thought

5:15

that that was such a risk. I

5:18

thought she looked incredible.

5:20

I just

5:22

thought Miley's look was just one for

5:24

the ages and just such a rock

5:26

star. So cool. Also

5:30

Celine, so good

5:32

to see Celine. She looked stunning.

5:35

Also Heather McMahon, her

5:37

red carpet live from E her red

5:40

carpet look so hot. Like

5:42

come on Heather. Yes. We

5:47

have some listener questions on this episode,

5:49

which I think is really fun to

5:51

skincare. This question asks where to start

5:53

for a basic skincare routine. It's intimidating.

5:55

I would say there's there's three

5:58

products that you've got to have. a

6:00

great cleanser to wash your face at night at the

6:02

end of the day and in the morning. I

6:05

would say a great moisturizer to sleep

6:09

in because we need

6:12

to have a great moisturizer to sleep in. And I would

6:14

say a great light SPF. I

6:16

think your SPF should be at least

6:18

SPF like 30 to 50 for

6:20

your daily. Quick absorbing.

6:22

I don't want it to feel like you've

6:25

got a lot of, you know, heaviness on

6:27

your skin. I love the shade drops by

6:29

Summer Fridays for sunscreen, but there's a lot

6:31

of other ones that I really like too.

6:34

But I think morning time, it's about

6:37

washing your face, putting on your sunscreen, then

6:40

at nighttime, washing your face, putting on

6:42

your moisturizer. If it's

6:44

like a day when you're just like absolutely not

6:46

leaving the house and you're like, I'm not even

6:48

sitting by a window, like I'm not going outside

6:50

or it's like pouring down rain outside all day,

6:52

like I don't need to wear sunscreen, and it's

6:54

like full cloud cover, then you could cleanse moisturizer

6:56

in the morning and then wash at

6:58

night moisturize. So it's like the most

7:00

basic that you could do. Our

7:03

next question is, does anything make

7:05

your hair grow faster or thicker?

7:08

So much of hair growing faster or

7:10

thicker is about taking care of the

7:13

hair that you have. So

7:15

as to say that you're not breaking it off. A

7:17

lot of people who are asking that question about wanting

7:19

to grow their hair faster and thicker have naturally finer

7:21

hair. If your hair is naturally

7:23

finer, it's going to be more prone to breakage.

7:26

It's going to be more prone to split ends and ends

7:28

that just kind of give up on you. So

7:31

one important thing is to sleep with your

7:33

hair gently tied up, not in a snatched

7:36

flick pony, like not with a lot of

7:38

tension on the hairline, but you want to gather

7:40

your hair and a loose, loose top bun or

7:43

top knot. If your hair is really curly,

7:45

we call it the pineapple, but you

7:47

want to do a silk scrunchie. What's

7:49

best is to do silk scrunchie and then a

7:51

silk bonnet with silk pillowcase. That

7:54

is going to create the least

7:56

potential for rubbing friction or breakage

7:59

or. There are any sort of

8:01

like tension or like heat kind of

8:03

friction break age that happens from sleeping

8:05

with your hair down so that's a

8:07

huge thing. Also a pre poo treatment

8:09

is going to help the hair grow

8:11

up or encourages good hair grows to

8:13

Like the previous gop will buy Gb

8:15

and for instance we use mean we'll

8:17

in there we have. Rosemary.

8:20

Extract in their rosemary has been shown

8:22

to increase blood flow which supports good

8:24

hair growth. It also has to work

8:26

in a which supports better circulation, more

8:29

robust hair growth and there's also things

8:31

that are topical like you know like

8:33

your hands are like you're pro Pisa

8:35

I'm a bit of her piece of

8:37

are really long time not to give

8:39

medical advice you should always hot your

8:41

doctor about it but there are some

8:43

medicines and like your role games again

8:45

it's important with doctor if is. Like.

8:48

Women like have a different thing that they're

8:50

supposed like not touch like finasteride which is

8:52

pro peace athletes ask your doctor but there

8:54

are some medicines and some topical things and

8:56

then there's more of like you know like

8:58

a pre was scalp were like what Gb

9:00

and here makes a more like some scalp

9:02

essences the other company makes which will help

9:05

support robust hair growth. I'm also there's like

9:07

the red light therapy things like the little

9:09

like things he could put on your head

9:11

and the all of those you have to

9:13

use consistently and you gotta use them for

9:15

at least three months to see the difference.

9:18

But I think sleeping with your her up silk

9:20

pillowcase so scrunch. he is a really good place

9:22

to start and also he protect it is another

9:24

really good place to start. Said you're not using

9:26

he protect it in your heat selling your hair.

9:29

And. Also even to submit your hair down

9:31

and not using he protected still lot of like

9:33

disintegration of your and just kind of makes it

9:35

just bothers up your Nc one like buffer you're

9:38

at. I'm okay. Last

9:41

question, but seriously weird. As the

9:43

bronzer go and seek hollow the

9:45

apples hairline brow lead Where. The.

9:48

Really good question in it. Come in brings up

9:50

from your episode with truth will set. And.

9:54

Even are pretty curious have to retrace

9:56

any even are pretty curious. Episode with

9:58

the Nyse were Gg grade. Bronzer

10:01

can go in every single place where this person asks.

10:03

It could go on your apples, it could go on

10:05

your hairline, it could go on your brow bone, it

10:07

could go on your eyelid, it could go

10:09

below your cheeks, it could go on your neck.

10:12

It really depends, it can go on

10:14

your nose. It really depends on your

10:16

facial shape and what you're trying to

10:18

accomplish. So with contouring, dark

10:20

colors are going to make, the

10:22

thing that you're putting a darker color on

10:25

is gonna make it more kind of go

10:27

away or recede and a light

10:29

color is going to open it or make

10:31

it seem bigger. So dark makes it

10:33

seem a little smaller, light makes

10:35

it seem bigger. So that's why if you ever

10:37

see people contouring their nose and they wanna contour

10:39

their nose to be smaller, they're gonna put the

10:42

darker color on the sides of their nose to

10:44

make the side seem smaller and they put the

10:46

light color along the bridge of the nose and

10:48

on the tip of the nose to try to

10:50

make that part seem skinnier and more like a

10:53

button nose. Or that's why people will try to,

10:55

they'll put darker color on their neck or

10:58

underneath their jaw to try to make

11:00

the underneath, your double

11:03

chin area or your neck area

11:05

seems smaller or more pushed back,

11:07

pushed up. So that's

11:09

the theory around contour. So it really depends on

11:12

your facial shape and what you're trying to do.

11:15

I would say typically you wouldn't

11:17

put bronzer on the apples of your cheeks unless

11:19

that's all you had and you were just doing

11:21

a quick bronze look and you just threw some

11:23

on your cheeks and just to give yourself a

11:25

little sun tan vibe and you were just doing

11:28

not very much product than you could but typically you would

11:30

put a little blush on the apples of your cheek and

11:32

then bronzer lives below that. But

11:34

again, it depends on your facial shape and

11:36

what you're trying to accomplish. And

11:39

I think if you are someone who's curious about contouring and you

11:41

wanna get into it more, then practice

11:43

before you have a big event. Or

11:47

don't practice right before you have a big event. Do it a

11:49

couple days before that because we're

11:51

always learning. So that was

11:53

fun. Are we loving listener questions? I'm pretty

11:55

curious. Let us know. But

11:58

Now it's time to get to our conversation with... Live John

12:00

Lynch young as L A that go

12:02

to colorist for blonde transformations. She was

12:05

mentored by be one and only one

12:07

of the most sought after hair colorist

12:09

in the industry. Tracy Cunningham lives works

12:12

at Mere Salon in West Hollywood which

12:14

are celebrity clients like Emma Stone at

12:16

Natalie Portman. She has a celebrity clientele

12:18

of her own lives as Majors or

12:21

to Sony Keep. I'm so excited that

12:23

she took the time to come on.

12:25

Pretty serious of us today so let's

12:27

see her trauma. Live!

12:31

Thank you so much for coming on

12:33

I love your were so my It's

12:35

first of all i wanna say I

12:37

am such a fan and i said

12:39

was queer eye a c then you

12:41

know know a lot like every time

12:44

you and fire me cry cry. Did.

12:47

You like better? Yeah! I love

12:49

this. Is mostly the not. I feel like

12:51

the not with the Oregon girl from can I

12:53

tell you they cut it out of there as

12:56

he can see by bali us her hair and

12:58

then I. I'm. In the whole

13:00

them and was bali as a net I was like i hope.

13:03

That I wanted to her hair to like I

13:05

wanted to give it more fullness of and i

13:07

really was fighting with myself because I would like

13:09

is this time. Or. Should I

13:12

just do like a semi like. Like

13:14

a semi like light brown all over to

13:16

thicken it up with another. You know where

13:19

I do want to do some dimension but

13:21

I don't a cretin obviously highlighted look so

13:23

I just stood like some like a really

13:26

minimal parcel. I'm and then a tone

13:28

deaf all over with like. I

13:30

think I did seven on her room and

13:32

then like and eight Gb and he and

13:34

mix together on liga everything all the just

13:37

looked so I know similar but he i

13:39

wanted to be like tone on town like

13:41

not to I and I wanted something extra

13:43

Yeah Amir things you. Can

13:47

leave now I have no other. So

13:50

okay, So young, so little he just

13:52

fell asleep before. We. Jump And

13:54

I mean we. I did a i. Taught.

13:56

A little bit about you or before you came

13:58

in here to tell everyone. You been

14:00

working in the cells that like your career high you

14:03

got started. Who you

14:05

like, who you and gotten to work

14:07

on and witness and see like cause

14:09

you to use of. You. Have

14:11

such an incredible story. It's a the beginning

14:13

of your creative when people to know I've

14:15

you know. Ever. Since I was little

14:17

my mom would have me a com into her

14:20

bathroom and she was like okay, you're going to

14:22

my grave, hot up and you're going to do

14:24

my perm twice a year. you know, like the

14:26

Korean mom, her. I

14:30

was here. pilot. Says you know she couldn't

14:32

afford a back then. So yeah I'm where

14:34

you live anywhere you like in L A

14:36

yeah we were in L A. I grew

14:39

up in L A you know immigrated here

14:41

without a you know so so you're just

14:43

like and l ne baby live your mom's

14:45

like get in here and my road see

14:47

I do a my per week and then

14:49

you are too kind of like oh I

14:51

tend to like doing that now doesn't like

14:53

hair and ah I became obsessed with hair

14:55

and all hair products and my mom was

14:57

like okay but stop now. By the point

14:59

of them throwing and my love for as.

15:02

Didn't. And that I. Became like everybody's hair

15:04

stylist like all my friends with the

15:06

sir you know and people are like

15:08

you need to go to school and

15:10

then my parents were like know you're

15:12

gonna go get a bachelor's degree for

15:14

so i get really sore and worked

15:16

at a law firm and then and

15:18

with you see a theater major been

15:20

in cod and like. My

15:23

God he got cancer and my

15:25

mom got sick at the same

15:27

time. And I was like you

15:29

know I'm I'm gonna quit and go help

15:31

them and then work and you know what

15:34

I'm gonna. Go to beauty school just to

15:36

try it out, doesn't her? And

15:38

once I started and started

15:40

working on you know those

15:42

volunteers? That com and pay two dollars

15:44

or. Is this I

15:46

like started doing hair of i

15:48

fell in love out like this

15:51

is it. Let's

15:57

face it ended up in a some treating

15:59

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16:36

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16:40

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16:43

love adulting. And you know what else I love? Is

16:45

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16:48

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16:50

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then you started doing hair and you've

18:33

basically, when you finished hair school, you

18:35

worked in LA like that whole time. Yeah. And

18:38

my first job was Michael John

18:40

and I wasn't feeling the clientele

18:43

there because they were all like

18:45

older Beverly Hills ladies. And

18:47

I was like, I really want to

18:49

learn hair color and nobody was like

18:52

really inspiring me there. And

18:54

I answered an ad

18:57

before there was Instagram. And

19:00

it was Tracy's best friend putting

19:03

out an ad tile saying Neil George

19:05

Color is looking for an assistant. And

19:07

it was a group interview at Le

19:09

Pan on Large Mod. Oh shit! Yeah.

19:12

And I was like, oh my God, Tracy! And

19:15

she was like, who did your blowout?

19:17

I'm like, I did it. And she was like,

19:19

oh. And then

19:21

she was like impressed. And she said, can you work

19:24

for me tomorrow? And I was like, oh, yeah. And

19:27

the rest of the story. That's incredible. So

19:29

like, basically, if you guys don't understand, Tracy

19:32

Cunningham is like that

19:34

fucking girl. She is that

19:37

girl. Like in LA, she is

19:39

the queen. And I think too, it's

19:41

like, really, there was like this trinity

19:43

of colors. It was like Lori Goddard, Negan and

19:45

Tracy Cunningham. Like those were the three that were

19:47

like doing every

19:50

mother fucking buddy. Like

19:52

all the most. Right? The

19:54

first week that I started with Tracy,

19:56

she had 35 clients. And

20:00

she was doing Matt Damon for

20:02

the Liberace movie. And I was like, oh my

20:04

God. Like, that was iconic. I

20:06

mean, honey. I

20:09

used to watch Jane Fonda and Raquel Welch get

20:11

their blow dries on, because they just had their

20:13

stylists were on the same row and

20:15

they would get blow dries on Thursdays and Fridays. So

20:17

sometimes they would overlap. And I would

20:19

just be standing there watching fucking Jane Fonda read a

20:21

newspaper, getting her hair blown out next to Raquel

20:23

Welch, getting her, and they'd be like, hey Jane, hey.

20:26

It was like, and I remember thinking to myself, you

20:29

will never see something like this again.

20:31

It was just so cool. And

20:34

I got to see, I'm more assisted for

20:36

stylists, but I got to

20:38

learn a lot with my eyes with color

20:40

just from seeing it. But so anyway, so

20:42

you get to go to mesh, you work

20:44

with Tracy, and then you

20:47

were there for years and then you branched out. The

20:50

most apprenticeships, they last two, three

20:52

years. I did three and a half years with her,

20:54

yeah. And then I went on the

20:56

floor for five. That's a really long time. Yeah. And

20:59

then you went on the floor for

21:01

five at mesh? Yeah, yeah. That's

21:04

kind of rare to make it all the way

21:06

on the floor and then hold down a, I mean,

21:08

it really is hard to get on the floor

21:10

at one of those types of salons because it's

21:12

just like, it's hard. Yeah, yeah. It

21:14

was a lot. For you, what do you look

21:17

for in a new client or what do you

21:19

think that people who are looking for a new

21:21

colorist need to know

21:23

before walking into a salon? So

21:26

I think it's like time because

21:28

I don't think people realize like how

21:30

much time they have to spend at

21:32

a hair salon on the first

21:34

visit. Like my usual clients,

21:37

they already know their timing

21:39

and they'll book themselves back to back,

21:41

but you might not wanna do that if

21:44

you don't know how long it's gonna take

21:46

the first time. And also

21:48

people need to bring photos. I

21:50

can't emphasize this enough. Like they're

21:53

gonna sit in my chair and be like, I don't

21:55

know, I don't know what my info is. And then

21:58

you kind of waste time looking for Pinterest photos. You

22:00

know when it comes to like

22:02

a consultation like are you pro consultation? Are

22:04

you into a consultation? I'm a hundred percent

22:06

pro Consultation the more you make

22:09

it clear Liz. Are you pro consultation

22:11

like not getting a service like just

22:13

coming in for a consultation? Yes,

22:15

yes, and it's it's a

22:17

hundred percent free I don't

22:19

charge for them because I rather

22:21

know the situation beforehand Then

22:24

getting like, you know, if you're

22:26

caught in the headlights, you know So before a

22:28

new client goes to a salon, they need to

22:30

know what their inspiration is Know

22:33

that it's gonna take more time than what you probably think

22:36

and then I Prices

22:39

like I think it's important to talk about

22:41

prices. What's like the price range in LA

22:43

these days for like a base color I

22:47

think anywhere from like, you

22:49

know 150 to 200 to

22:51

250 is standard now and

22:53

you know everything's like heavily

22:55

inflated so they just prices

23:00

Damn when I was in LA my base

23:02

colors were only 80 to 120 Damn

23:07

so base colors went up that

23:10

much. Yeah. Yeah shit. I

23:12

gotta get back in the salon Honey

23:17

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seeing a lot

25:33

of trending words like

25:35

cowboy copper or cinnamon cookie butter.

25:37

Everyone's wanting this. Can I

25:39

just tell you, I've been doing cowboy copper since 2009.

25:44

But we all have. But

25:48

I think it's just people are

25:50

a little more open to being

25:53

redhead. I

25:55

just think of a Korean

25:57

client like Burgundy Red.

26:00

and she might have never thought of doing that.

26:02

I love. Okay, so we're a little more adventurous with

26:04

color. Is there... Are

26:06

people still talking about Ombre? Are people still talking about

26:09

Balayage? What are people still talking about? You

26:11

know, Hailey Bieber was like a

26:13

big trend and they still kind

26:15

of want to look like her, you know,

26:17

make it subtle, like little baby... She's like

26:19

a little brown bob. Yeah, yeah. But then

26:22

like, you know, maybe not her haircut because,

26:24

you know, the talk... On TikTok,

26:26

they talked about how everybody has the

26:28

Lord Farquaad. It's

26:31

true because like, it's like not everyone's Hailey

26:33

Bieber, honey. And you're going to have that

26:35

really swingy... You could have like really swingy,

26:38

straight hair. Like for that hair

26:40

to look cute. And like

26:43

if you have curl in the hair, I

26:45

mean, it's cute. You can have a cute

26:47

curly bob, but it's not that. It's not

26:49

that type of carefree, like

26:51

Hailey Bieber vibe that you're going for.

26:53

It just gives more like Brooklyn. Is

26:57

there any like trending techniques that people are

26:59

really into right now? Honestly,

27:02

I, you know, clients don't know

27:04

these like trending words, like what

27:06

it really means, balayage. So I'll

27:08

be like, yeah, I mean, I

27:11

would totally balayage you, like on

27:13

the ends, on the hairline, but

27:15

I'm going to keep your hair safe

27:18

and, you know, like from... prevent it

27:20

from breaking. So I would use the foil and

27:23

give you exactly what you want with the placement.

27:25

So I try to like, you know,

27:27

talk them out of like doing something they

27:30

probably regret later. Balayage

27:32

just means like hand painted, just like means you're

27:34

painting it on, like you're not really using a

27:37

foil to isolate it. But then I would always

27:39

say like foilayage, like you can kind of place

27:41

it like balayage, but you just use foil and

27:43

like sandwich it around there if

27:45

you wanted to. Exactly. Yeah. So just like kind

27:47

of like depends on like how you feel like

27:50

comfortable, like what you feel is like best. So

27:54

you are that go to girl

27:56

in LA for blonde transformations. So

27:59

it's... Someone with into this

28:01

and they're just like thinking about

28:03

going blind. I do. You like

28:06

it when people. Are you

28:08

more of a piano like gradual lightning? or

28:10

you like know girl we got eight hours

28:12

bureau like a dark as you Rgb and

28:14

but you wanna be like run a rap,

28:16

let's fucking do it. Oh my god you

28:19

decide you like overtime una y in the

28:21

path When I was first starting out or

28:23

so excited I'm like. Led Zeppelin. Let's

28:25

say here for twelve hours, like

28:27

fourteen. Hours a night like gone

28:30

home at one am Cbn and

28:32

I was just like i can't

28:34

live like that The see republican.

28:37

And I'm forty now I'm like okay

28:39

I'm tired, I gonna go home and

28:42

also I think you know. The

28:45

truth, He only said like bleach is not

28:47

a conditioning treatment and you wanted. Really

28:49

Really people? On today and

28:51

they. Want. To have zero damage so.

28:54

Those. Are like. Pretty. Unknown

28:56

better if they don't go together.

28:58

they're yeah. you can't have best

29:00

of world so I say even

29:02

I saw like. Clients in her

29:05

chair of the Celebrities. You know you

29:07

saw a certain moment and say okay, we're

29:09

going to put your hair and a treatment

29:11

and then come back the next day. Or

29:13

you could sell your client like come back

29:16

to the later after your hair have recovered

29:18

a little bit. Do anything for like. Going

29:21

by my daughter her so much that

29:23

we could be appointment or like make

29:25

sure you're you're switching to like a

29:27

more strengthening conditioner or something like that.

29:29

yeah I always have them like for

29:31

example I had a quiet she was

29:33

like my hair's broke and you know

29:36

I went to Japan they put black

29:38

over my hair so I have to

29:40

like your color correction on fly Prior

29:42

to that I'm like okay we should

29:44

wait like three months of the was

29:46

in really bad shape so I would

29:48

help her like youth. Neutral Fall are

29:51

hereby the man of your toy. In

29:53

a youth a Pray, I'm obsessed with

29:55

a Pray treatments right now. and it's

29:57

like the new Bonding treatment. The

30:00

camera. The. Second chemists of all

30:02

blacks are created and an arm

30:04

and also like you know bon

30:06

which are like these Japanese Sham

30:08

Pillow Mill by Oh My God

30:11

The Bath so I have them

30:13

take all that home. And

30:15

they do notice. The difference and they

30:17

to either her of rolling and

30:19

it's better. So after three months

30:21

I took her closest to what

30:23

she was looking for an it

30:25

was so much better than her

30:27

brushing me and having me do

30:29

it three months ago. Visit the

30:31

stylus and fine question if you

30:34

are I'm. Is ever client

30:36

wants them that you just know their hair can

30:38

take like it's either just like Ngc on the

30:40

like a test or hand as when you like

30:42

icily a little piece of here in the back

30:44

of the had any published on any put in

30:47

a foil and use like see how it lifts

30:49

so that you can get an idea like can

30:51

this whole head of hair tolerate a lightning service

30:53

a an end. Or. If like

30:55

does it lighten and like really be ended crazy

30:58

way like are you gonna play putt like one

31:00

level of developer on like the ends with than

31:02

a different one on like this little middle B

31:04

M and then like a lighter went on the

31:06

toppling Ray Allen tenth of a process. Is this

31:09

gonna really? Is it possible that the queda tester

31:11

and so it's like. If you're.

31:13

A. Stylus to needs to say to have your

31:15

colors and you see the client like. We

31:18

either need to test or and this or is

31:20

is not possible. Or if you're a client getting

31:22

that news. How. How do you approach

31:24

both of those. Ah I'm in. yeah

31:26

so I will always tell them

31:28

like say listen, I'm I'm kind

31:30

of worried about how you're here.

31:32

it's gonna. Turn. Out And you

31:35

to tell me that History Thoughtless.

31:38

You. Know tester and the back of

31:40

your hair and. You.

31:42

Know and if. It

31:44

goes well, then we could do

31:47

it right away or and if

31:49

it does then we have to.

31:51

Either. To a color correction and

31:53

remove all. Those permanent colors

31:55

in her hair on

31:57

or. We

32:00

just have to wait. We just have to wait

32:02

it out. Let

32:04

you do those like color removers and then

32:06

can you bleach that day? Yeah,

32:08

I did have a client who

32:11

had like a maroon hair color

32:14

and she was like a lighter

32:16

like level six, seven, Armenian chick

32:19

and you know, I've done her

32:21

before and she does her own hair

32:23

sometimes and I'm like, oh my God. And I

32:25

did a color remover

32:28

and applied rust eliminate which

32:33

is like the safest one. Like that's what

32:36

Tracy uses for like Emma Stone, you

32:38

know, red, two blondes. Going red to

32:40

blondes. Yes and brown transformations and

32:42

it's like the safest. So I really

32:44

love it. It just smells kind of

32:46

like sulfur eggy but I

32:48

like to like apply it outside

32:50

to be considerate of my, you

32:53

know, coworkers. And

32:55

but you do have to put them under the

32:57

heat. So it is gonna still think of the

33:00

flow. Yeah,

33:02

so I'll do that twice and then

33:05

rinse it out, put clarifying shampoo

33:07

and then I'll do

33:09

a Malibu crystal to

33:11

get the minerals out. Because just because

33:14

you're putting the hair color removal

33:16

doesn't mean it'll take the minerals out. So

33:18

you have to do both and it's just

33:20

kind of like time consuming and

33:22

arduous but this is what they're

33:25

asking for and there are no

33:27

shortcuts to hair color. Liz,

33:29

I've had like the most fun time in my life. Are you ready

33:31

for our final segment? It's our rapid fire round and it really brings

33:33

up the caboose in a fun way. Are you ready? Yes.

33:36

Okay, rapid fire. What's your

33:38

go-to budget beauty recommendation? I

33:43

think the teeth dry shampoo. I love

33:45

it. It's like $3.99. Ooh, that's a good

33:47

one. Yeah, but it like really soaks up

33:50

the oil. I love it. That's a really

33:52

fucking good one. What's your biggest splurge recommendation,

33:54

beauty or otherwise? Gosh,

33:57

like a good eye cream.

34:00

The. Yeah. What? you

34:02

pay like cream. Ah, I'm okay

34:04

right now. I. Am.

34:07

Using the Korean brand publisher and

34:09

and it's Sam and. I'm I

34:11

write downs and a treat you as reason Salmon?

34:13

What does that? Salmon. From

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inside it's their new technology and

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I got a have injected into

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of my skin and Korea America

34:22

I'm upset. It. Like gives you

34:25

blow. I hope it's not the same and

34:27

it's a Wales needs he that we learn

34:29

how to present. I'll have been a bit

34:31

like the looks a bit of you're either

34:33

with him of a girl like was your

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there are there and ago that a product

34:37

but you never leave home without. Ah. I

34:39

think Sassy in length Korean Lipton.

34:42

Yeah. What's your favorite Nineties Beauty memory?

34:44

Ah, I'm Cindy Crawford with her big

34:46

blowout. Fuck yes. What Are your top

34:49

three? Or one or two or three

34:51

Roman Empire movies? Like what or three

34:53

movies you just think about on a

34:55

weekly basis and you don't know why.

34:58

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client alley Mackey isn't it. and it's

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know what? I was so

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