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Hi, everyone.

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My name is John Forrester, and I'm

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here with Becky Dewaters. Hi, Becky. Hello.

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Good morning, John. Thanks for

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talking with me today. Let's

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start, if you would be willing to say

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a little bit about who and where you

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are and like that. Sure. I'd

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be glad to. As you said, my name is

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Becky, and I live in the Seattle

0:34

area, and I'm going to try really hard not to swipe

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on my chair the whole time, but

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I'm very fidgety. But

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I'm not from here. I grew up in Texas, and

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I was born in New York, and so I've been all

0:45

over. I

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am here because I joined GTD Connect

0:51

this spring, early in the spring, I think. And

0:56

we are here to talk about

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some revelations I've had about GTD

1:01

implementation. So I'm excited

1:03

about it. A little about

1:05

myself. You

1:08

know, I think it'll come out as we talk

1:10

about the GTD. Sure. Okay. Well,

1:14

I want to get to the revelations, but I'm

1:16

going to go through a couple of questions I

1:18

always ask first. I'll just make

1:20

sure I move those along so that we have plenty of

1:22

time for the revelation. Oh, it's nice. Yeah. You've got

1:24

to hit all the things. How

1:26

did you hear about GTD? And

1:29

did you try anything else, other productivity

1:31

approaches before this? I

1:34

found out about it probably just

1:36

by seeing the book at the local

1:38

library. And I went

1:40

back into my email history, and I looked it up,

1:43

and it was July of 2016 when

1:46

I checked out Getting Things Done. And that was the

1:48

first time I'd ever read it. Oh,

1:51

okay. So you just happened to

1:53

be looking in the library and

1:55

nonfiction, productivity, business stuff? Yeah,

1:57

I Think I go through phases where I...

2:00

Hey. I look for inspiring

2:02

influences in different ways to do

2:04

things. And. Because I

2:06

i have a lie the ambition

2:08

for what I would like to

2:10

explore and for his subjects go

2:12

like Spanish An end. And

2:14

not always most organized without seeing it

2:17

through and so I can recognize i

2:19

need help with that that oh I'm

2:21

gonna give this David Allen guy a

2:23

try. You have nice the foot like

2:25

a popular Burke. I mean if they

2:27

front face it at the library know

2:29

it's probably or yeah they a good

2:31

one. And I'm. So.

2:34

I'm sure that that's a section of the library that

2:36

I've gone to before and have checked out. You know,

2:38

just. Creativity.

2:40

Books I was thinking about this land,

2:42

my tags I use on the focus

2:44

easy to implement he said when it

2:46

might have just influences. And.

2:49

I would say the spurs kind him big. oh

2:52

this is exciting A level of these people are

2:54

doing would be the he's brother. He

2:57

and he to read the book and cypriot

2:59

which since. Made a stake in

3:01

an answer. Even all of that. And

3:03

I just really really love their writing.

3:06

It was exciting to me said. That

3:09

waited they were using logic and smart

3:11

implementation said you insulin change in the

3:13

world and I thought that was really

3:16

exciting. Am I would say before that

3:18

was probably Ted Talks. And

3:20

with my for example on this is intellectually

3:22

stimulating and exciting and I can learn so

3:25

much from all these people on. And

3:28

then what was next? It's.

3:30

Funny because they've moved around and so in my mind

3:33

I'm going to like which library that I go to

3:35

and check out the certain books. Oil often

3:37

have that we're all on. If.

3:40

I can remember the police. I was them.

3:42

I might remember the book or write or

3:44

tie them together. if I think about. Where.

3:47

I was reading the first third of

3:49

that book. I can associate it with

3:51

places notice of the me. Yeah

3:54

am I so this one

3:56

is Vancouver Library in Washington

3:58

and I sound barbara. share the

4:01

so-called scary godmother of career counseling

4:03

and she wrote Wishcraft and refuse

4:05

to choose and she

4:08

has the idea of a person being

4:10

a scanner which is where you're interested

4:13

in so many things and you're not

4:15

necessarily required to complete any of them. You

4:17

just take what you want from the idea

4:19

and then move on to the next thing

4:22

sort of like a honey bee hitting all the flowers and

4:25

she sort of champions that. She says there's nothing

4:27

wrong with that and just keep doing what you're

4:29

doing because the world needs what you have to

4:31

offer and I find that really inspiring too and

4:35

then after that I was in

4:37

Boise Idaho for a year and that

4:40

library I found Julia

4:42

Cameron the artist's way. The artist's

4:45

way yeah. Yeah and so I've been

4:47

doing morning pages for 10 years and

4:49

every once in a while I'll do an artist's date

4:52

but I'm not very good about doing them. I

4:55

cannot say I've cracked that one yet

4:58

but I find her work to be very inspiring so all

5:02

of that was sort of pretty amble. It's

5:04

like walking up the stairs and then I

5:06

got here and I found David

5:08

Allen's book and I thought you know this is okay

5:11

when I first read the book my

5:14

skin was crawling and I just had

5:16

so much energy. I would read maybe

5:18

three pages and I would have to get up and do something

5:21

and I was just like full

5:23

of beans and it

5:27

wasn't a bad thing because I kept

5:29

going back I thought I need

5:31

this and I've come

5:33

to the conclusion that I'm just not

5:35

very well developed expectively and that is

5:37

the skill that I'm really trying

5:39

to learn and so this

5:41

is it's like taking your medicine

5:43

almost it's good for you but it

5:46

might be a little uncomfortable because

5:48

it's not exactly what

5:50

I would be want to do if left to

5:53

my own devices. So the more times I go

5:57

back to the book and I've implemented more

5:59

of the process. I'm calmer. I'm

6:02

more understanding of what I know, it's

6:04

more comprehensible to me what he's saying.

6:07

And so I love that it's sort of like when

6:10

you have a movie that you really love and there's a

6:12

lot of elements to it. And every time

6:14

you go back and watch it again, you notice like, Oh,

6:17

that guy in the background is hilarious. I

6:19

never saw that before. Yes. So I'll, I'll

6:21

pick up new things as I go. And

6:23

so I really love that. It's very dynamic

6:26

and continually engaging.

6:28

So sounds good. Sounds

6:30

good. And you got to my next question a

6:32

little bit already, which is what

6:35

tools do you use for your system? And

6:38

have you changed tools or, or

6:40

experimented with different tools along the

6:42

way? Well, I definitely

6:44

experimented. One of

6:46

my favorite things is that you can have as many tools as

6:48

you need. And if

6:51

it works, keep it. And

6:53

so something I did before I even knew it

6:55

was a GTD idea was to keep

6:57

a notebook in my purse. And

7:00

if I knew that I wanted to read a certain

7:02

book, I would write it down. And that way, when

7:04

I walked into Barnes and Noble or books here, then

7:07

I wouldn't have to think, what was that book? I

7:10

could just look it up in my notebook and there

7:12

it was. So that was a kind of capture, which

7:16

I've kept. And so I still have,

7:18

you know, a nice, you know, soft

7:20

cover from Barnes and Noble, pretty pattern on

7:22

the outside. And I keep it in my purse. I

7:26

have a small, spiral notebook for

7:28

grocery lists. So when I'm writing

7:30

my morning pages, and I'm like, Oh, I forgot to get

7:32

taco shells. And I just write it down. And then I

7:34

have it with me when I'm at the store. And those

7:37

are small things. But if it's a small thing that

7:39

works, and it makes your life work, it's good.

7:43

And I really appreciate that.

7:45

But my main tool right

7:47

now is OmniFocus. And I

7:49

love it. And

7:51

I did go through an early phase where

7:53

I was only using a small fraction of

7:55

the tools that it has. And it

7:58

was good. And it was a good way to get me

8:00

started. But then I

8:02

found a YouTube channel called

8:05

Kendra's productivity. She

8:07

demonstrated her use of tags

8:09

and perspectives in OmniFocus. There

8:13

was just so, it was so

8:16

smartly done. It was

8:18

things that I was not using. And I

8:20

knew I had had not been

8:22

using the whole system as I could. And

8:25

so that's why I went out and found her

8:27

channel and she delivered and then some. And

8:30

so I've got a lot of things implemented as

8:32

a thank you to her.

8:36

But before I found OmniFocus, though,

8:39

I would try to blend my

8:42

interest in learning software with

8:44

implementing GTD. And so I know I went

8:47

through a phase where I was trying to

8:49

use an access database. Oh,

8:51

wow. It was the first I've ever heard

8:53

anyone say that. I know. Because I've heard a

8:55

lot of things people have tried. Oh,

8:58

my goodness. And access is so

9:01

you have to have a certain brain to

9:04

understand the linking of it, the

9:06

different tables. And I know

9:08

enough to know that I don't have that brain. There's

9:12

a book I read years ago

9:15

that I really

9:17

enjoyed. It's from the publisher called

9:19

O'Reilly that does quite a few

9:21

software titles. It was

9:23

on Access and it approached

9:26

learning access and building databases

9:28

in it by

9:30

talking about the mathematics,

9:33

the algebra of

9:36

access and table linkings and stuff like that.

9:38

It was fascinating. That sounds fascinating.

9:40

I would if you had

9:43

said, OK, fill in the blank of what I'm about to tell you

9:45

of how they linked it, I would

9:47

not have picked that. That's that sounds

9:50

like full of unknown

9:52

things. Yeah. After

9:54

we're done here, I'll look it up

9:57

and make sure I get you the information about it in case

9:59

it's something you're interested in. it

12:00

would be different and I would keep it all in the same. So

12:03

that is a place where I still

12:06

have more ground to break, which

12:08

is learning how to use Outlook

12:10

better. Because I

12:13

find a lot of the things that are there just a

12:15

little bit, like I don't understand

12:17

how they work. Exactly. And so

12:20

I need to spend more time going

12:22

through YouTube videos to see if

12:24

I can fill in the gaps of what I need

12:27

to know so that I can use the tasks better.

12:29

I'm really great with the email portion and categorizing

12:32

things. I even categorize my

12:34

sent email because I realized it was point that

12:37

like I would be trying to remember what

12:39

was that email and I could find it

12:41

because it was something that I sent and it didn't have a

12:43

category on it. Oh. And

12:46

so now I categorize even the sent

12:48

folder and I'm like a whiz.

12:51

You know, like remember that meeting like

12:53

three months ago and we're talking about blah, blah, blah. And I'm

12:55

like, hang on a second. And I find it. Oh, that must

12:57

be impressive. It

13:00

is. It's fun. It's fun to be able to

13:02

be that that good about it. But then it's

13:04

like, I'm suddenly going

13:06

from I'm running to like, I'm trying to

13:08

run in stilts whenever I have tasks or

13:11

something. So yeah,

13:13

it's more work there. But you

13:17

know, I'll keep exploring and see what I can come

13:19

up with. Sounds

13:22

good. Do you do

13:24

you use OmniFocus on just

13:27

a Mac or also an

13:29

iPad, iPhone, all of those?

13:31

I haven't linked on my iPhone, but to be honest,

13:33

I don't really use it that much there. And so

13:36

it's mostly just my Mac. So

13:39

and this is my first Mac, I've

13:41

always been a PC person. And this

13:43

was one of my pandemic splurges. I

13:45

thought, you know, so many

13:47

people love them. I want to find out what all

13:49

the hype is about. And I am a convert. It

13:52

is really great. I love it.

13:56

Watching movies that I've seen before and then

13:58

I hear something in the background. And

14:00

I'm like, wow, the audio on this

14:02

machine is so great because I

14:04

didn't even know that was there. Oh,

14:06

interesting. Oh, yeah, it's been

14:08

good. I like it when smart people

14:10

figure out what technology I should be using and then

14:12

they sell it to me. Well,

14:16

that was a good splurge then. It

14:18

was, it was a great one. So

14:21

nice. I am

14:23

ready for any revelations you'd like to share

14:25

or anything else that you'd like to talk

14:27

about around GTD and how you, what you've

14:29

learned and how you approach it. Anything

14:32

about your journey that way. Sure. I

14:35

want to start with a big thank you because when you

14:38

invited me to do this interview, I

14:40

was doing what David gives an example

14:43

of all the time for the pre

14:45

GTD list. Typically

14:47

for Spanish where you're writing down

14:49

things that you're going to do and

14:52

then it's a single word and you're like, what is

14:54

that? And I would write the word Spanish. And

14:58

in thinking about what I wanted

15:00

to bring up about this topic, I

15:02

think I cracked it. And I'm

15:05

really excited about it. So I just want to

15:07

thank you for that because it got stuck in a big

15:09

way. Yeah, I think I brought

15:12

up horizons of focus or distinguishing

15:15

between areas of focus and projects

15:17

or something like that. When

15:20

it hits to the heart of something that I was thinking

15:22

about on a different

15:24

topic, which is watching the news. And

15:27

I want to give a disclaimer here a bit. This

15:30

talk is going to be full of metaphors

15:32

that do not go together. But

15:35

I saw as many visuals to explain

15:38

how I feel about things and what I'm thinking.

15:41

And this one, the other topic is watching

15:43

the news and I find it

15:46

so challenging to take in so much information

15:48

at once. And a lot of

15:51

it is very emotionally charged, especially

15:53

these days, you know, with panic

15:55

and politics being so ugly. And

15:58

just, you know, If you have compassion

16:01

for the world, it hasn't been numbed out too

16:03

much, then dispatching the news can be a really

16:05

challenging thing sometimes. I

16:07

haven't cracked it yet, but one

16:09

of the visuals for that to me that kind

16:11

of relates to the horizons of focus is

16:15

there's a machine, like

16:18

a fair amusement park kind of

16:22

test of skill. I think they call it

16:24

the high striker. I looked it up, it's

16:27

that big sledgehammer game where you like hit

16:29

the panel and it sends the ball all

16:31

the way up. If

16:34

you hit it high enough, it rings the bell. Something

16:38

like the news or trying to study Spanish

16:40

is doing that for me because it's the

16:42

next action. I'm studying

16:44

some Spanish, I'm watching the news and

16:47

whatever I'm experiencing while that's happening,

16:49

it is sending that ball all the way up to the

16:51

top. It's

16:54

going through all the horizons, like this

16:56

is why I'm here and it's not

16:58

necessarily easy. It's

17:00

something that maybe my cage is

17:02

being rattled. For

17:04

the news that's rattled, I'm still working on that,

17:07

but for Spanish, I was stuck.

17:09

I was fitting my wheels. I've

17:13

been thinking about how to

17:16

implement G2D in an effective way so that I

17:18

can get unstuck.

17:22

By stuck, do you mean you were sort of

17:24

at a plateau with how much you had learned

17:26

or something like

17:28

that? I

17:30

knew I had the motivation to study, but I

17:33

would do that terrible list right down, I

17:35

should study Spanish and it would stay there

17:38

and I wouldn't commit the

17:40

time. I think what's

17:42

happening is I'm

17:44

what you might call an advanced beginner

17:47

because if you put a

17:49

Spanish article on some news topic in

17:51

front of me, I

17:53

can pick out a lot of the words. It depends on what

17:55

the topic is, of course, but

17:58

I'm going to be ranging between 30 and and

18:00

70% of comprehension, I can probably figure out what

18:02

the article is about, tell you what certain words

18:04

mean, I can identify the one like this is

18:07

a noun, but I don't know what it means.

18:10

And so, so

18:13

that's a pretty nice level

18:15

to be at. But there are gaps in

18:17

my knowledge, there are places where it might

18:21

be a beginner bit of information, like I'm

18:23

terrible with the pronouns. And

18:25

you don't know any direct object

18:27

pronoun from an indirect and how

18:29

do you use them properly. And

18:32

so I need a way to go

18:36

back through the material in a way that

18:38

I don't get bored, but that

18:40

I'm sort of fine, fine combing over

18:42

it to make sure I catch all

18:44

of those details. And

18:47

so one challenge

18:50

I'm having is I tend to be

18:52

very expansive. If you say,

18:54

okay, start at point A, I'm going to be like,

18:56

well, what about B and C and D? And I

18:58

just want to let go explore. So

19:01

I have accumulated a number of

19:04

resources that I can use. And

19:07

there are a lot of videos I can watch.

19:09

I can watch Spanish TV. I can

19:12

study textbooks, I can study vocabulary, I

19:14

can make flashcards. It just goes on

19:17

and on and on. I think

19:19

that's why I wasn't studying because

19:21

I was overwhelmed with choice. And

19:25

so, you know, one well meaning

19:27

response to that, that a person might come to

19:29

me and say, well, you know, you need

19:32

to limit yourself to

19:34

just one resource. And

19:36

my expansive side is like, no, I

19:39

don't want to do that. And

19:41

so that was my challenge. I thought, how do

19:43

I utilize

19:45

all these resources that still

19:47

get somewhere? And I think I

19:49

cracked it. So it's something

19:52

I can show you on my OmniFocus.

19:55

Sure. And if you'd like to share a screen now

19:57

or anything like that, that's fine. To

20:00

yeah, maybe. We can share. Screening are just

20:02

lucky. say when I've got one thing I want

20:04

to show you right away as my tags. I.

20:08

Have. A. So many tag now.

20:10

I. Had a long ago but they

20:13

were also the ties and because of

20:15

the influence of that one you tube

20:17

or a kendra as as that are

20:20

using more emotive gone probably increase access

20:22

that is not necessary and I also

20:24

have. Ah, Like

20:27

more hierarchy to his kidney

20:30

arranged these are you Whenever

20:32

I tag things with these

20:34

differing sir like I have

20:36

the next section. One

20:39

thing for implementing weekly review. Was

20:43

I didn't have a list for an

20:45

army focus that was show me all

20:47

the main excesses that now that I

20:49

say using the tag. And

20:51

click on this perspective as I have created

20:53

and it will show me the list. Oh

20:56

okay so I can go through and I've

20:58

done that for a career projects as well.

21:00

and. And some of these

21:02

any to work on like this is you

21:04

know as on the i can you say

21:06

the state park. Miss

21:08

that. You know some of that. It's more like

21:11

what's this? You

21:13

know I'm not using the full

21:15

sentence by it isn't that enough?

21:17

And the first Spanish though I

21:19

am, I will just start. Going

21:22

down here is Spanish. And.

21:25

I many show you why. Sat

21:27

down with my list to earn.

21:30

To brainstorm which I came

21:32

out, there are so many

21:34

projects urinals class this so

21:36

it's easier to see them

21:38

as so many potential projects.

21:40

So many resources by can

21:42

use as I can use

21:44

a online articles. Or.

21:47

Different countries, major news outlets.

21:50

And. i can study this is

21:52

a big one the five hundred and

21:54

one said a sperm because not only

21:57

is it a bunch of herbs and

21:59

spices at one point another thousand and

22:02

then there's a big dense introduction

22:04

and an even bigger denser appendix.

22:06

Wow. It's been years since I

22:08

looked at that book I

22:11

don't think I ever dug

22:13

into it nearly as much as you did. Well

22:15

that's the thing is I haven't. I just

22:17

aware that they're there and I have decided that

22:20

this is going to launch

22:22

me to the next level and I'm gonna read

22:24

all those sections and so when

22:26

the well-meaning person comes along and says you know just narrow

22:28

it down I I've taken that

22:30

and that I'm gonna focus on this one and

22:32

this is something that I aim to finish. But

22:36

then as you can see there's a huge

22:38

long list I can watch this learner media

22:41

sort of telenovela that's designed for

22:43

teaching students it's called the Cino's

22:45

it's available online. I

22:47

have a Wondria membership and there is a

22:51

a translation instructional

22:53

series on the Black Death and so I

22:55

can watch that in Spanish. There's

22:57

a ton of

23:00

YouTube material available. One of my

23:03

interests is Major League Soccer and they

23:05

have channels in Spanish and I can watch games

23:07

in Spanish and so it just goes on and

23:10

on and obviously if there is

23:12

a part of me that thinks that I'm gonna

23:14

be doing all of these when I sit down

23:16

to study Spanish of course I'm not gonna do

23:18

it. I'm beaten before

23:20

I've even started. I'm

23:23

wiped out and this reminds me

23:25

one of my other kind of life goals which

23:27

I'm gonna switch over to that view and give

23:29

you a peek at that is

23:31

to be a writer. So

23:34

I have taken a

23:36

masterclass with Neil Gaiman and there's

23:39

something that he said about plot

23:42

that was so impactful for me.

23:44

He said plot is what keeps

23:46

everything from happening all at the

23:49

same time. Oh I like

23:51

that. That is what I need here.

23:53

I need all of my

23:55

Spanish not to happen at the same time And

23:58

that was sort of like. The implementation and

24:01

I wanted is another visual before

24:03

I show you my my big

24:05

reveal and and that is Clary

24:08

Died. When Hurricane

24:10

Maria devastated Puerto Rico, I wanted to

24:12

do something to help that was more

24:14

than just. You.

24:17

Know giving money to an organization And

24:19

so I subscribed to a newspaper. And

24:22

I honestly I'm not sure that I'm

24:24

a line to it's they who they

24:27

are politically. But I can't tell you

24:29

that because. As. I'm going

24:31

to Gtd webinars and I picked

24:33

the backlog. I'm having

24:35

to force myself to realize

24:38

that this subscription is straight

24:40

to backlog Bigelow? not read

24:42

it in like in. Ah

24:45

the good place. Have you seen that Tv?

24:47

So. Yeah. There's a

24:49

joke in there about the new. Yorkers,

24:52

Do. You remember that? Oh, I don't

24:54

It's been a couple of years. I don't

24:56

remember that. It was am I think

24:58

you I went to see it was a

25:00

version of someone's how they all they would

25:03

get a deal with. Walk into the it's

25:05

empty room and be confronted with the stack

25:07

of New Yorkers that they never read. Oh

25:10

New Yorkers? As in the New Yorker Magazine?

25:12

Yes, I got it. Yeah. So I

25:14

think a lot of people identify with this and

25:16

so a as a little embarrassing I have a

25:19

subscription I have not read since I I ordered

25:21

it and I keep renewing it. Because.

25:23

I'm no. I'm not giving up on it. I'm that I

25:25

read them. And

25:28

but this is another one of my

25:30

mixed metaphor and his of so I

25:32

I to do the math on an

25:34

and because if I were to take

25:36

the stairs it's not possible for me

25:38

to read them all in one day.

25:40

Obviously avoid it or maybe even one

25:42

month because there really is a lot

25:44

of it and so what if you

25:46

go to the opposite end of that

25:48

extreme? Just you know once a week

25:50

read a page as long as the

25:52

are gonna take. That's. Not

25:54

a project is I'll never

25:56

finish it. so. I

25:59

was I, Nick. The aimed that week: Spaghetti

26:01

sauce. Cook. Because

26:04

I'm really never gonna get there. And

26:06

I have to stop and think. And this is where

26:08

did he comes in? Think. About

26:10

it. Think about What's happening. Here is

26:12

a isn't my goal to read all

26:14

of those newspapers. Maybe.

26:17

Not. Maybe. My goal is just

26:19

to engage with all this material in a

26:21

way that makes me happy and I feel

26:23

like I'm making progress. So.

26:25

If I find working every day. Then.

26:28

Who. Cares if is is is

26:30

a stack in my apartment? We

26:34

don't care if every beer or city. Maybe.

26:36

That would be a very expensive stack and I would.

26:38

Recruiter. And could buy. Every square foot

26:41

is gonna be more expensive. Such but

26:43

it that's not the case here. so I'm

26:45

in is just let it hang out. With.

26:49

The one I decided to do. Am

26:51

as as I said I can sit down and

26:53

read an article. And. I'm

26:55

gonna try to do that. I have their

26:58

and newsletter coming in from the New York

27:00

Times that in Spanish the comes in three

27:02

days a week and so I have pets

27:04

repeating task. And

27:07

on a day arrives and last I read

27:09

it. At which are not

27:11

going to do it this morning because. I've

27:14

got other things going on a visor. When I'm

27:16

done, I just check it off and it repeats

27:18

for me and then I forget about it. And

27:21

then I if I decide that I'm gonna read

27:23

an article. I will and if

27:25

I decide I don't have time or

27:27

none of those really grabbed me that

27:30

I just do, You know? Plus, Maybe

27:33

two days because today's Tuesday. So I was.

27:35

A three A's and ticket to Friday.

27:38

And because I have this said am

27:40

from this items completion so it's not

27:42

going to spawn a task every Tuesday,

27:44

Friday and Sunday will kind of check

27:46

to see if I have done it

27:48

or not so they don't mushroom which

27:50

is good. Good young. And

27:53

so I've got you know, a daily. A,

27:55

you know, three times a week reading there. And

27:58

I haven't been. of bookmarks

28:01

for articles online that I could read and I'm

28:03

just saying Mondays and Thursdays to fill in the

28:06

gap for the weekdays. Pick one

28:08

and read it. And then so

28:11

what I'm doing there is I

28:13

have this Spanish folder and then

28:15

the periodicals and

28:17

as I finish one I'm going to

28:20

take one from the top and

28:22

this one is you know daily Honduras and

28:25

I'll go in and I'll read

28:27

whatever looks interesting to me and

28:30

then when I'm done with it go into my

28:32

Spanish again and go

28:34

into my periodicals

28:41

and I'll just move it down to the

28:43

bottom. Oh yeah and that way the next day

28:45

I'll start on El Comercio and I'm not gonna move it

28:47

because I haven't read the article. So

28:49

this is very small thinking so I'm combining

28:52

bottom-up thinking with top-down

28:54

at the same time

28:57

and that is really what's required for this

28:59

because it's very big it's a big undertaking.

29:02

You know I'm sort of hurting my

29:04

own cats. And

29:07

so I have this book of a Stephen

29:09

King Under the Dome but in

29:11

fact this thing is

29:13

like my Everest. I have tried to

29:15

read it about four times and

29:17

it's so big and scary and I'm

29:20

just I'm gonna read it on Wednesday

29:23

and one of my my project

29:25

tags, oh I

29:27

didn't put it on this one, is a snail

29:30

project meaning it doesn't matter how

29:32

long it takes. I've

29:37

had book projects like that too. Yeah.

29:41

So that's good you can identify I

29:43

think probably a lot of people can identify with

29:45

that. It's like well oh here we go Snailspace

29:47

project and that of course

29:49

is on Slurry Dog. No

29:52

and I just put read some pages and

29:56

let me see I put that on Saturday because I

29:58

have more time on Saturday. So,

30:00

you know, this Saturday, we'll

30:03

see what happens when I approach the

30:05

stack. So, this is kind of the

30:07

top of it. I

30:10

should explain these here,

30:13

which I have a life goal tag. And

30:16

that goes with my life goal perspective. I

30:19

think we've already looked at that. I have a list and I

30:21

haven't finished filling this out. But

30:23

when I do my review and I'm looking at my

30:25

high horizon, you know, how am

30:27

I doing? Am I working on these things?

30:30

It looks like you're going to

30:32

learn a number of musical instruments too. Oh,

30:35

I have so much ambition. But

30:37

do I have the ability in the time? And we'll

30:39

see. We will see. And

30:42

maybe I'm just going to end up being a connoisseur.

30:44

And if that's why I'm out, then I'll accept it.

30:47

But I'm going to give it another try. So,

30:49

we'll see. I'm a lifetime beginner

30:52

at the guitar. So

30:54

I've only just accepted. Okay,

30:56

this is something I probably

30:58

won't be taking

31:00

the time to master, making the time to

31:02

master. It's okay if I'm just a beginner

31:04

for as many years as I am.

31:07

That's wonderful. And I'm right there with you. And

31:10

where I am there is I have

31:13

watched a video on how to restring the guitar.

31:16

I have a winder and I have the strings. And

31:19

I haven't found the guts yet to give it

31:21

a try because I'm so scared of the pegs

31:23

popping out and the strings breaking. So

31:26

I'll work my way up to it. So,

31:29

I'm like one of those kids and when they're learning to dive and

31:31

they have their hands up like this and then they still jump into

31:33

the water feet first. So,

31:36

it's still that way. That's

31:38

another good metaphor. Thank

31:55

you.