For someone who wrote her first computer program at age 4, Jessica Hyde's journey into infosec took a more winding route than you'd expect. After dropping out of high school, she worked in retail management until 9/11, when she realized she had to do something that made a difference in the world. Since joining the Marines, she's become a Master's-level expert in digital forensics. In this episode, she and Jason discuss how varied backgrounds and experiences enrich an enterprise, the importance of helping others, and that putting your mind to something allows you to achieve anything.