Tanya and Jessica are back after a short break, and the conversation lands somewhere real: what does it actually mean to be seen, and does visibility even work the same way for Black women?

The spark is Emma Grede's recent comments about showing up in person as the path to advancement. They have thoughts. So does the data on the hundreds of thousands of Black women who lost jobs in recent months while doing everything right.

The episode moves into community, the whiplash of Monday morning after a weekend in spaces that actually receive you, and Jessica's genuinely good take on where women of color are headed in the next decade of work.

Also: Lamar Odom gets the inaugural Loser Ass Takes award, and Tanya has opinions about cruises.

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