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Thank you so much, Helen. Nice to see you. Very

1:01

nice to see you. Helen, we are recording

1:03

this right before Halloween. I think the episode's gonna

1:05

drop right after Halloween. Would you consider

1:07

yourself a Halloween person?

1:09

I would not consider myself a Halloween

1:11

person. I don't get into the costumes,

1:13

you know. I'm very, I kind

1:16

of am always last minute about it. Like, oh my God,

1:18

it's Halloween. I should be, maybe, where

1:20

did I put that one jack-o'-lantern shirt that

1:22

I had in the closet one time? And

1:25

I have a theory about Halloween people versus

1:27

Christmas people. I think Halloween

1:30

people are just more organized

1:32

than Christmas people because, you know, you

1:35

never notice, like,

1:37

Halloween people will take down their decorations

1:40

like

1:40

right after Halloween. You'll never

1:42

see a witch or a skeleton

1:45

on a lawn like a month and a half later.

1:48

Christmas people, on the other hand, I

1:51

mean, what's up with, you know, the Christmas lights

1:53

are up until July. There's snowflakes

1:56

hanging from the rafters until

1:58

March. Like, what's going on?

1:59

people are like we're intense we're

2:02

doing it and then you're going back in the garage.

2:05

I've never noticed that that's true. I might

2:08

become more of a Halloween person. I actually am scheduled after

2:10

we record today to go to a haunted hayride.

2:13

That was yes it was an anniversary gift from

2:16

my fiance Sarah and I

2:18

am not looking forward to it because I don't I

2:20

don't I mean I don't really like being scared and I don't

2:22

like hayrides but I like I

2:24

like her so um a very

2:27

appropriate gift yeah but

2:29

you know what are you gonna say when you get a gift? Honey

2:31

I love it.

2:32

You know years ago I was a tour

2:34

guide at a big ranch in Malibu

2:37

and we did scary tours

2:39

around Halloween time at night which

2:41

was interesting because it was like completely unlit

2:44

this entire ranch was unlit so you could hardly see anything

2:46

and we were and it was a wine tasting so

2:48

everyone was drunk. Oh so it was just basically

2:51

like a bunch of drunk people in

2:53

a big

2:54

van just driving around darkness in

2:56

Malibu. It was a haunted van ride. Okay

3:01

all right well Halloween for everybody. Today

3:03

on Go Fact Yourself two guests will compete to answer

3:05

questions about facts they know facts they may not

3:08

know and frankly facts they should know. Plus

3:10

we'll meet actual experts on two very different

3:12

topics and finally we'll declare one of our guests

3:14

the winner of today's show. Let's get started

3:16

and meet today's guest Helen who is up first.

3:19

She is a comedian who hosts the

3:21

podcast Madigan's Pubcast

3:23

and whose newest special Hunting Bigfoot

3:25

is streaming on Prime Video it's

3:27

Kathleen Madigan. Hello

3:29

Kathleen. Hello Kathleen

3:31

of course people know you from your several TV specials

3:33

your albums you're always on tour it seems

3:36

one of the very best in the business and

3:38

I read that you said this whole stand-up

3:40

thing just started out as a reason to drink.

3:42

It did because we couldn't drink in the bar

3:44

that I worked at because people misbehaved

3:46

so they kicked us out and then the nearest

3:49

bar was a comedy club so

3:51

we just started drinking there and then we watched

3:53

open mic nights and a lot of the people were so

3:55

bad that I thought well I've said

3:58

something funnier this week I'm sure. of it,

4:00

I should go try that. As long as I'm here drinking

4:03

anyway, you get free drinks if you

4:05

try that. So I was

4:06

like, well, I'll just drink for free.

4:07

That's, I seriously, that's, I

4:10

never thought about it until that night. So

4:11

if it had been like a roller skating bar,

4:14

you probably could have ended up being an expert

4:16

roller skater. Well, I'm awfully clumsy. I wouldn't

4:18

go that far, but maybe something else. Yeah,

4:21

it's definitely maybe darts or something.

4:24

Maybe I could be a dark player as well.

4:26

I don't know. I have to tell you,

4:28

Kathleen, as a female stand of comedian,

4:31

you are one of the ones that we all look

4:33

up to. And you know, one

4:35

of the greatest and still in the game

4:38

and just like as a younger

4:40

female comedian, you were always like just, so

4:43

I'm a little starstruck. So thank you for joining

4:45

us. Oh, okay. Well, well,

4:47

thank you. I never even think about that till I

4:49

go down to the club and everybody's 25 years old. I'm

4:51

like, okay, I gotta leave now. I'm

4:54

here, old love to be my kid.

4:57

We happen to catch you on a day in between

4:59

tour dates, but my goodness, you really seem to be

5:01

touring. Is it really almost, is it literally

5:04

every weekend that you're out playing?

5:05

Mostly. I mean, maybe not so much in the

5:07

summertime, but that's more

5:09

like festival and goof off stuff.

5:12

But the hardcore stuff

5:13

is like September through the

5:16

end of May, I would say. So yeah,

5:18

every weekend. It's such a hard lifestyle.

5:22

And as a standup comic who, I

5:25

act as well. And so I'm only on the road

5:27

about once, one weekend

5:30

a month or two weekends a month. But

5:33

for like real road comics like yourself

5:36

that are on the

5:37

road every single weekend, it's

5:39

just, it's hard on the body. Yeah. And

5:42

it's hard not to go insane. Like just

5:44

from the travel part, like it keeps getting worse

5:46

as society moves on. Like traveling

5:49

was so much better when I was like 30. I

5:51

don't know. The planes weren't crowded. The airport

5:54

wasn't crazy. It was actually enjoyable.

5:56

So that part keeps kind of going downhill. So you've

5:59

got to keep. Switching it up in your own mind

6:01

saying you know when this gets too crazy I'll

6:03

just I think wait I go whatever I want, but

6:05

I like it for now still

6:06

so I'll keep going Well, you said the travels

6:09

become more difficult What's become better and easier

6:11

for you as you've worked on this for so long?

6:13

Oh well selling tickets. Yeah It's

6:16

a lot easier. Yeah, like when you just see

6:18

the on sale and it's sold out then you're that

6:20

you're like finally Cuz no

6:22

one will be yelling at me, you know,

6:25

can't bring you guys Oh my god, we've only

6:27

sold X amount instead. It's funny. Let's go

6:29

like That kind of pressure I don't need at this

6:31

age. So it's nice when the tickets just sell themselves.

6:34

That was the only goal I mean

6:36

the only goal was to tell jokes in front of live

6:38

people. I don't want to be in a sitcom I don't want to be in a

6:40

movie. I don't like I'm just one

6:42

of those weird people that I

6:44

found one good thing I'm pretty good

6:46

at that. Let's just Let's not

6:49

let's not expend energy and

6:50

area where I know I'm terrible Well,

6:53

one of the things that was offered to you a cool thing you

6:55

got to do that is a dream of mine You got to throw

6:57

out the first pitch at a Cubs game This

7:00

season what was that experience like for you?

7:02

It's very nerve-wracking

7:04

because it's way further than you think and

7:07

I actually with my brother marked it off

7:09

in my yard Mm-hmm. And then when you're down

7:11

there, there's all these groups. They're like,

7:13

here's the stand-up to cancer people They're gonna go

7:15

out say hi, here's the dads for whatever.

7:18

Ah, it's breast cancer But and then they go

7:20

can't we go throw the ball? So it happens

7:22

very very quickly and then I

7:24

you're supposed to hug the mascot and I forgot

7:27

and there's this bear chasing me You

7:30

you forgot to hug Clark. I'm like who are I'm

7:35

like, oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So I ran back

7:37

out and And then I did the seventh

7:39

inning stretch the song right and then that organ

7:42

person is four doors down So

7:44

you don't really know when they start you

7:46

can't hear it. So then they're just

7:49

hollering that you start saying It

7:51

was it was it was a fun day, I wish

7:53

you I wasn't they never show the

7:56

Chicago theater

8:00

that night and I wish I didn't have the show because it was perfect

8:02

drinking weather. It was like 72. It

8:06

was a great game. It ended up being like six

8:08

to four, lots of hits. It was just great. I'm

8:10

still hung up about the fact that it was a requirement

8:12

to hug the mascot. Like

8:14

in this day and

8:16

age. It's 2023. Like you shouldn't be required

8:18

to hug anybody, even the mascot. Well

8:21

maybe Clark's feelings get hurt. I don't

8:23

know. I think they wanted the picture.

8:25

I know that. So I went back

8:27

and hugged Clark. I made sure I did

8:29

that. Well we have a surprise. Joining us now from Chicago,

8:31

it's Clark the... No, no, we're not doing it. We're

8:33

not doing it. Well

8:35

Kathleen, I'm sure you did a wonderful job and it's wonderful

8:37

to host you today. Kathleen Madigan, everybody.

8:39

All

8:40

right, Helen, against whom will Kathleen be

8:42

competing?

8:43

He is a singer and song writer whose

8:45

song, A Drop in the Ocean, has been streamed

8:47

over one billion times

8:50

and whose new album, Inside Voices,

8:53

is available now. It's Ron

8:55

Pope. Hello Ron Pope.

8:57

Thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here. Oh we're

8:59

so happy to have you. My goodness, A

9:01

Drop in the Ocean, Helen mentioned it was streamed over

9:03

a billion times and counting. I think

9:05

what's even more remarkable about that is that

9:08

started in the very early days of streaming.

9:11

So tell us what that experience was like for you because

9:13

you actually went platinum with that song mostly

9:15

from streams. The wild part of it for

9:17

me, we started, it feels

9:20

like the wild west of the

9:22

digital revolution, I guess, but we were

9:25

selling digital albums and singles on

9:27

iTunes. That was really kind of, you know, for

9:30

me 2007, 2008. And so

9:32

by the time streaming started, it was

9:34

sort of terrifying for me because that's where I was

9:37

making my whole living selling, you know, singles

9:39

and albums. It turned out streaming

9:41

has been very, very good to me. It has been

9:43

a very, you know, magical

9:46

experience that's brought us all over the world. Like we used

9:48

information that we got from them to target

9:51

my first European tour and figure out where

9:53

to go and all of that stuff. So I,

9:56

you know, first released some of these songs, you

9:58

know, 15 years ago, I made my first. first album 20

10:01

years ago and I am still traveling

10:03

all over the world. I feel like

10:06

I have been on tour forever and I'm going to be on tour

10:08

it seems like till I die. So

10:11

unlike Kathleen, you can't stop whenever you want.

10:15

Yeah, this monkey is going to stay on my back it

10:17

seems like. And I actually,

10:19

another, I thought about this as Kathleen

10:21

was talking, my journey into becoming a professional

10:24

musician was basically the inverse

10:26

of how Kathleen became a stand-up

10:28

comic. I went into a comedy club and

10:31

my mother used to do stand-up and my mother

10:33

is hilarious. Wow. And

10:36

I used to think maybe I want to do stand-up.

10:38

So I went into a comedy club to watch my mother one

10:40

night and she burned the place

10:43

down and she was

10:45

so vulgar.

10:47

So vulgar. And so I got

10:50

old enough that I could finally walk into a comedy club and then my

10:52

mom's up there just doing dick jokes. And I'm

10:54

like, oh man,

10:56

this is maybe not for me. I don't think I'm going to survive

10:59

in this world. If you've got to be that funny to

11:01

live here and also I don't want to hang out with my

11:03

mom this much. This feels. Yeah. And

11:06

fortunately the bar next door was a music manual

11:08

and not again a roller skating bar.

11:10

That's really interesting. I didn't know that. Your songs

11:12

have been heard by millions on TV shows like Vampire

11:15

Diaries, 90210, So You Think You

11:17

Can Dance and The Voice. What was the first

11:19

song of yours to get TV play and how did

11:21

that happen being an independent artist? I know

11:23

there was a choreographer on So You Think You Can

11:26

Dance at some point that really liked my music so they

11:28

just kept pitching the songs to people.

11:30

So it might have been one of those. I don't

11:32

know. It's such a long time ago now at all. Being

11:34

a musician, my whole life sort of feels

11:36

like one long night. I

11:38

went out at some point in like 1997 and I drank a bunch

11:41

of Jack

11:43

Daniels in a parking lot and I've been in that parking

11:46

lot ever since basically.

11:49

But the cars just keep getting

11:51

nicer and nicer around

11:52

you. The thing that carries me to that

11:54

parking lot gets bigger and bigger the older I

11:56

get basically. That's the only difference. Yeah.

11:59

Well, you've remained very active. This new album

12:01

just came out a few months ago called Inside Voices.

12:04

If you don't mind talking about it, I understand that that came out of some

12:06

pretty scary times for you in your family. Yeah.

12:09

My wife nearly lost

12:12

her life and I ended up

12:15

kind of writing songs about our relationship

12:18

for a very long time. Then she

12:20

nearly died and it turned out there was a whole lot

12:23

more to say. Inside Voices

12:25

was written in the aftermath

12:27

of that as we were coming out of it. Some of the songs are for

12:29

my wife and some of them are for my daughter.

12:32

There's this reflection on kind of where

12:34

I am at now in my life,

12:36

which is an interesting

12:38

thing as a creative person. You start when

12:40

you're very young and so you're

12:43

telling the stories of the very young.

12:45

Then you get

12:47

married and you have kids and so on and so

12:49

on. I assume not so long from now I'm going

12:54

to be talking about how they're not advancing

12:57

social security benefits enough for

12:59

people to come and live in here.

13:01

You're going to have a banger about AARP.

13:03

Exactly.

13:05

I appreciate you talking about that. We should say that

13:08

she got through that and she is no longer near

13:10

death, I should hope. Definitely not.

13:12

She's doing great.

13:14

She's hard at work somewhere right now. Absolutely. Speaking

13:17

of your wife, last thing I want to ask you about, you and your wife had

13:19

a cooking show that was on Instagram.

13:22

Despite that you're saying, and I quote, by all

13:24

accounts you should not listen to us give advice

13:27

on making food. My daughter, when

13:29

she was a little baby, we used

13:31

to take videos to send to

13:34

relatives and it would be like us teaching her how to make meatballs

13:36

or teaching her how to make something my grandmother

13:38

taught me or something my wife's mother taught her, whatever. We

13:41

were doing it and it was fun and so we're like, let's

13:43

put it on the internet. I don't know. We'll share it with our friends

13:46

and then it became more of a thing. We

13:48

did it for quite a while but I can't

13:50

have any more side hustles. Like

13:54

Kathleen said, when you get into entertainment

13:56

because you know how to do one thing, inevitably

13:58

people are like, you want to do it. I do this other thing,

14:01

I get that this is entertainment, but it's pretty different

14:03

than the sort of entertainment that I'm doing. So

14:06

the cooking show started to feel like stress, so

14:08

I'm not doing it anymore. Excellent, you found that

14:10

one thing to do. You do that, you do it well. And we

14:12

thank you for joining us on our show, it's Ron Pope. Glad

14:14

to be here. Thank you. All right, Kathleen

14:16

and Ron, we asked each of you to provide us with a few

14:18

topics outside your field of work that you know

14:21

and love. Kathleen, for you, you said that was the

14:23

Loch Ness Monster, the Convenience

14:25

Store chain Bucky's, and

14:27

Ozark the TV show versus the real

14:29

Ozarks. Whereas Ron, you

14:32

said that you know and love the band Accounting Crows,

14:34

the TV show Yellowstone up to season

14:37

four, and New York's best slice

14:39

of pizza. Very,

14:42

very- Ooh, that one's controversial. Yes, controversial.

14:44

We're gonna get into that later on because we're gonna ask

14:46

each of you some in-depth trivia questions about one of

14:48

those topics. But first, we're gonna get your thoughts

14:50

on something you might know nothing about. It's

14:52

time to split some hairs with our what's the difference

14:55

round. We'll have one question for each of you, each with

14:57

up to two points. If either of you does an incorrect

14:59

or incomplete answer, the other person has

15:01

a chance to steal. Your topic today,

15:04

along came a spider and sat down beside

15:06

her. First up is Kathleen. Kathleen,

15:08

while they both might be creepy crawlies, what's

15:11

the difference between a spider and an arachnid?

15:13

A spider and an arachnid.

15:15

Oh man, that's kind of science-y.

15:17

I can't start out. It is a little bit science-y.

15:19

I can't, yeah. I'm

15:21

gonna say the Amado Lake.

15:23

Okay, would you like to be more specific? An

15:25

arachnid, I'm just making this

15:28

up, has eight or more.

15:29

Whereas a spider. Has four.

15:32

Has four, okay. The four-legged

15:34

spider. All right, we've got Kathleen's answer. I

15:37

don't know yet if she's entirely correct. Ron,

15:39

anything you'd like to add or change? So

15:41

a spider definitely has eight legs

15:44

because I live with a five-year-old, so that

15:46

I definitely know about. So a spider has eight

15:48

legs. Not after Kathleen's done with it.

15:50

Whoa. Could it be something to do with

15:52

antennas? Do

15:58

arachnids have antennas and spider? spiders do

16:00

not? We'll find out. It's time for this segment

16:02

to get off its tuffet. Let's go to Helen Hong at the

16:04

judges' table for the facts.

16:06

Here are the facts. All

16:08

spiders are arachnids, but

16:10

not all arachnids are spiders.

16:13

Spiders are a type of arachnid

16:15

that have fangs and can produce

16:18

silk, which is often spun

16:20

into webs or other traps for prey.

16:23

But arachnids can also

16:25

include eight-legged creatures that

16:27

don't produce silk or have fangs.

16:29

That's right. Now, some of those fangless and silkless

16:32

arachnids include scorpions, mites,

16:35

ticks, and vinegaroons, which mix

16:37

well with olive oil aroons and make a great salad

16:39

dressing. Helen, how did our guests do?

16:41

I can't say either one of you got any

16:43

points on that

16:44

one. Not truthfully. No, you could not say that.

16:46

No, I'm sorry. Up next

16:48

in Along Came a Spider and Sat Down Beside a

16:50

Spider is Ron. Ron, your question comes from a listener.

16:52

Who is it, Helen?

16:53

I will let them tell you themselves because

16:55

we have a listener recording. Listeners,

16:58

if you would like to submit a suggestion for our

17:00

What's the Difference round, go to gofactyourpod.com

17:04

and click on Get Involved. Okay,

17:06

play it.

17:07

Hi, Go Fact yourself.

17:10

This is Rich Permenter from Arnold, Missouri.

17:12

My

17:13

question for What's the Difference is,

17:15

while you wouldn't want to find a spider in

17:17

a glass of either of them, what's the

17:19

difference between apple cider and apple

17:22

juice? Thanks. Have a great show.

17:25

Thank you so much, Rich. Kathleen, you had a reaction when

17:28

you said that he was from Arnold, Missouri. You, I know, are from

17:30

Missouri as well.

17:31

Well, I know right where that's at. Yeah. Yeah,

17:33

but that's not going to help me with my answer.

17:35

Oh, well, let's find out. Ron, the question though

17:37

does go to you first. What is the difference between

17:39

apple cider and apple juice? Does apple

17:42

cider have like mulling

17:45

spices in it? So all of those, you know,

17:47

cinnamon and all that good stuff. Is that the difference

17:49

between apple cider and apple juice? That's my

17:51

guess. That is your guess. All right, we've got Ron's

17:54

guess. We don't know yet if he's entirely correct. Kathleen,

17:56

using your Missouri knowledge, is there

17:59

anything you'd like to change or...

17:59

I thought all cider

18:02

had alcohol in it. Am I... Is

18:05

that just because I drink cider?

18:07

That might be. Like in a bar? Yeah.

18:10

But maybe they don't. I don't know.

18:12

Okay, but your guess for this is that

18:14

you think cider has alcohol and juice does not?

18:17

Yes. Okay. Well, this segment

18:19

is running out of juice. Let's go to Helen Hong at the

18:21

judges table for the facts.

18:23

Here are the facts. Both

18:25

are drinks that are made by squeezing

18:28

apples in a press. The difference

18:30

is apple cider is the raw

18:33

liquid that comes from the pressing

18:35

process. So it contains pulp

18:38

and is murky. Proper

18:40

apple cider is also not pasteurized.

18:44

Apple juice is filtered so

18:46

it has a lighter color and is clearer

18:48

than cider.

18:49

It is pasteurized. That's

18:51

right. Now, because it is not pasteurized, apple cider

18:54

has a shorter shelf life and is considered a seasonal

18:56

drink. Kathleen, you were sort of on the right track with this

18:58

because if apple cider is left alone it will

19:01

ferment into apple cider vinegar or

19:03

an alcoholic hard apple cider in a

19:05

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19:07

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19:09

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19:12

I think I'm going to give you half

19:14

a point for the alcohol

19:16

comment. Yeah. Thank

19:18

you.

19:19

Yeah. Half a point for Kathleen.

19:20

Half a point for Kathleen. Okay, thank you.

19:23

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19:25

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19:28

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19:30

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19:32

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to React Yourself

22:46

with our guests Kathleen Madigan

22:48

and Ron Pope. Once again,

22:50

here's J. Keith Van Straten.

22:51

Thanks so much, Helen. All right, Kathleen, of your

22:53

many interests, you told us that you know and love The

22:56

Loch Ness Monster, The Convenient Store Chain

22:58

Buckies, and Ozark the TV Show

23:00

versus The Real Ozarks. Let's find out a

23:03

little bit more about each of those. First, tell us why

23:05

you know and love The Loch Ness Monster.

23:06

Well, I'm just kind of obsessed with the fact

23:09

that I believe it's there, and I believe

23:11

we can find it, especially with sonar.

23:14

I think people who they say it, why can't it

23:16

just be a giant eel? I don't know, I get in these bar

23:19

fights a lot about this. I don't understand why

23:21

everybody's so anti the

23:24

fact that it could exist. Buckies

23:26

is my favorite gas station. As I

23:29

say, it's not just a gas station, it's a lifestyle.

23:31

Until you've been in a Buckies, you can't even

23:33

comment. It's the greatest invention on

23:35

earth, mainly because in the

23:38

bathrooms for the women's stalls, they have

23:40

green lights and red lights on top. What?

23:42

I've already spent the first 58 years of my life looking

23:45

on the floor for people's feet. Finally,

23:48

someone figured it out. That is so

23:51

fancy, I can't even.

23:52

I believe they've achieved some notoriety for having the

23:54

cleanest bathrooms in America. They are,

23:56

they are. There's like 100 people working in there

23:59

at all times. And then

24:01

the last topic is because I grew up in the

24:03

Ozarks and we owned a family

24:05

resort When I saw the show

24:07

Ozarks, I felt like that guy stole

24:10

my life So much to the point

24:12

that I went and googled him But

24:14

he just happened to grow up the same way like

24:17

he lived in st Louis and went there in the summers

24:19

and if we had everything in the show

24:21

I'm but that's why I

24:23

picked that top including working with a drug cartel.

24:25

Well, that's the thing Like I don't think

24:27

the current Ozarks. I don't think we're good

24:29

enough for heroin. I'd say like math is hot We're

24:35

not heroin we don't know any

24:37

cartels No,

24:39

I want one day fingers crossed. Yeah

24:42

heroines to upmarket for you're

24:44

gonna get there one day. I believe in you. Yeah We

24:48

believe in you Ozarks

24:49

Yeah, we could we could do it we could

24:51

do it. All

24:52

right Well to summarize Kathleen you said that you know

24:54

and love the Loch Ness Monster the convenience store

24:56

chain Bucky's and Ozark the TV show

24:58

versus the real Ozarks today We want to quiz you

25:00

about

25:01

the Loch Ness Monster You actually mentioned

25:03

the Loch Ness Monster in multiple specials

25:06

and your album and your podcast. This

25:08

is a real love How did that start for

25:11

you? I

25:11

guess I don't know my dad always watched, you

25:13

know weird specials like that on TV

25:15

I mean, I actually went there like three years

25:18

ago Me and the comedian Lewis

25:20

Black took one of those barge deals

25:22

through the Highlands and I got up at five

25:24

in the morning Cuz he was like are you really

25:26

getting up at dawn? I'm like, how else are you

25:28

gonna find it Lewis? That

25:31

come into the bedroom you need to get up

25:33

come on man, we could start drinking at

25:36

five it doesn't matter There's a few

25:38

mysteries left on earth and I

25:40

think that's one of them and did you see it? No,

25:42

but I will tell you what Yeah, that lake

25:45

is so tricky Because it's

25:47

it's like so so so deep that it's dark

25:50

I could see how you could see it in an instant and

25:52

then be like I didn't get my phone out

25:54

Well just ahead we're gonna list the help of a bona

25:56

fide expert in your topic with an expert level

25:58

question where it's up to three points

25:59

But before that to let you show your love Kathleen

26:02

here are five trivia questions about your topic each

26:04

worth one point if you Want it you're allowed a hint

26:06

for any two of these five questions now

26:09

Ron do listen closely because if Kathleen enters

26:11

incorrectly you can Steal by the way Ron how

26:13

much do you know about the Loch Ness Monster?

26:15

Absolutely nothing. All right. Well,

26:17

let's see if I can give you a chance to prove

26:19

it Here's question number one Kathleen

26:22

the Loch Ness Monster is the most famous

26:25

lake monster in the world and while some of

26:27

the earliest reports in Scottish Newspapers

26:29

nicknamed the Loch Ness Monster Bobby.

26:32

It's better known today by what nickname that's

26:34

also a nickname for Vanessa Nessie

26:37

Ellen that is correct. That is correct for

26:39

the point fun fact while Nessie is the most famous

26:41

lake monster There are others including Lake

26:43

Tahoe's Tessie Lake Erie's Bessie

26:46

and flathead lakes Lissie Go

26:49

get yourself some Plessie. All right, here's question number

26:51

two in 2016 a sonar

26:53

survey something you had mentioned of the

26:55

lock Showed a very clear image of what appeared

26:58

to be a long necked creature It turned

27:00

out though to be a giant movie prop that sank

27:03

in Loch Ness during the filming of a 1970

27:05

movie about what famous Fictional

27:08

British detective.

27:09

Oh, give me a hit.

27:10

Okay, Helen. How about that first hint?

27:12

Elementary my dear

27:14

Madigan. Oh

27:16

Watson Helen

27:17

is it Watson?

27:18

It is not

27:19

not exactly no Ron with a chance to steal

27:22

This is what I can do Sherlock Holmes Helen.

27:24

That is correct. That is correct. Sherlock Holmes

27:27

Ron sandbag jig He pretended he didn't know anything

27:29

about it and he got that one. I do the first

27:31

one too. I'm very excited now I feel very I'm

27:33

like I'm in fun fact that movie was the private

27:36

life of Sherlock Holmes The prop was built

27:38

with two humps But director Billy Wilder

27:40

did not like the humps and had them removed Which

27:42

also removed the buoyancy of the model causing

27:45

it to sink to the bottom of the lock All right,

27:47

let's see if you can bounce back with this one Kathleen Here's question

27:49

number three the Loch Ness monster

27:51

is not known to have killed anyone But in 1952

27:54

some people blamed a wake left behind by

27:56

Nessie for the death of John Cobb who

27:59

was trying to break

27:59

What world record at the lock? Oh,

28:02

well, I'm gonna guess. Okay.

28:05

I'm gonna guess that he was swimming end

28:07

to end.

28:08

Ellen? That is not correct. No, I'm

28:10

so sorry. Ron with a chance to steal. Was

28:12

he holding his breath? Ellen? That

28:15

is also not correct. No, I'm terribly sorry. He was

28:17

trying to beat the water speed record in

28:19

a speed boat. He was in a speed

28:21

boat, he hit some wake, and then unfortunately he died.

28:24

Fun fact, although not so fun for Mr.

28:26

Cobb, he reached over 200 miles per hour when

28:29

he had a small wake which caused the boat to crash,

28:31

that wake was likely caused by one of his own

28:34

support boats rather than a monster.

28:36

A memorial to John Cobb now stands

28:38

on the shore of Loch Ness. All

28:40

right, here's question number four. Kathleen, you do have

28:42

a hint available. Let's see how you do. Question

28:45

four. One of the most famous images

28:47

of the monster is in black and white and shows

28:49

a single hump and a long neck with a small

28:52

head. It dates from 1934. More

28:55

recent research has revealed that this photo was an

28:57

elaborate hoax that went viral, as

28:59

viral as something could go in 1934, spurring

29:02

on interest in the monster. The photo is

29:04

named after the profession of the man who

29:07

claimed to have taken it. What is that profession?

29:09

I'll need a

29:10

hint. Helen, how about that second hint? If

29:12

you

29:12

survived an attack by the

29:15

Loch Ness Monster, you would want

29:17

someone with this job to

29:19

put you back together. A surgeon.

29:21

Helen?

29:22

That is correct. That is correct for the point, very

29:24

nice. Very good guess. Fun fact,

29:27

it is known as the surgeon's photo. And

29:29

its hoax monster was built onto a toy

29:31

submarine and was actually only a couple of feet

29:33

long. All right, Kathleen, here's

29:36

question number five. You have no hints available, but let's

29:38

see how you do. The modern era of

29:40

the Loch Ness Monster kicked off in 1933 when

29:43

a hotel manager claimed she saw a

29:45

creature in the Loch, which the local

29:47

press then dubbed a monster. The hotel

29:50

that she managed is now the Loch Ness

29:52

Center

29:52

and is located in what? Lochside

29:55

Village.

29:55

I know it because I've been there. I may not be

29:58

pronouncing it right. Like drum chatted.

29:59

drum

30:01

drum

30:03

Joe shit like

30:05

D R U M D R O C

30:08

H I T

30:09

Helen that is correct very

30:11

nice we'll get to yes yes

30:13

thank you and I believe it is pronounced drum not

30:15

drockett drum not drockett drockett

30:18

yeah that was summer D R U M N A

30:20

D R O C H I T however this

30:22

is not a spelling quiz so a very nice fun

30:24

fact Scooby-Doo in the gang visited drum

30:27

not drockett in the movie Scooby-Doo and

30:29

the Loch Ness monster it turns out the monster

30:31

was just a puppet operated by people who

30:33

would have gotten away with it weren't for those meddling

30:36

kids all right Kathleen you did pretty

30:38

well in that but now here

30:39

is your expert level question that requires multiple

30:41

answers it is time for your cluster fact

30:46

we'll

30:46

be bringing on an expert to discuss your response

30:49

Kathleen according to naturalist Adrian shine

30:52

who has been studying life in Loch Ness for over 50

30:54

years if people see a living thing

30:57

in Loch Ness that they think is the monster it's

30:59

likely one of three types of fish

31:02

one provides us a traditionally Russian

31:04

delicacy one is called unagi

31:07

when it's served as sushi and one

31:09

is the object of the American activity known

31:12

as noodling for up to three points name

31:14

these three potentially monstrous fish

31:17

an eel okay catfish

31:20

okay

31:22

and

31:24

I don't even know where you

31:25

get caviar step a Kroger in a can

31:29

I wouldn't have had

31:31

Kroger caviar I honest I

31:33

had it was when the receiver was really

31:36

good and I was like well now I'm only gonna like this

31:38

and I won't like sure started out

31:40

with the hack stuff I don't know

31:42

I can only answer those two fish in an eel

31:45

I want to just name it any other

31:47

kind of fish

31:48

a tuna

31:49

a tuna all right Helen is taking

31:51

note of those answers we've an expert

31:54

on hand you can tell us for sure Helen who do we have tonight

31:56

joining us tonight from Scotland

31:59

is a naturalist Who has been studying

32:01

life in Loch Ness for over 50

32:04

years? It's Adrian shine.

32:06

Hello, mr. Shine Wow

32:09

Hello, and Kathleen

32:11

in particular. Oh, thank you. That's wonderful.

32:14

You're fabulous looking. Yes, my goodness.

32:16

I love your beer Yes, you are for our listeners.

32:18

Mr. Shine Tell us a little bit about the beard

32:20

before we talk about Loch Ness because I can't think of anything

32:23

else right now well, I'm very lazy and I've

32:25

Had my last show you've in a stream

32:28

in Afghanistan in 1970 Wow

32:33

I haven't touched a razor since well

32:35

an incredible

32:36

beard and Santa Claus

32:38

would be jealous

32:39

I try and avoid wearing

32:41

red Well

32:45

in addition to being a naturalist who has studied

32:47

Loch Ness for so long You're a fellow of the Royal

32:50

geographical society a member of the freshwater

32:52

biological Association and scientific

32:55

exploration society and you are founder

32:57

of the Loch Ness project Which is

32:59

the premier center for the investigation

33:02

of all things Loch Ness Well,

33:04

it's funny because we asked a bunch of questions

33:06

about the history of Loch Ness and you were involved

33:08

in a lot of the Things that we talked about you

33:10

actually were the one who conducted that 2016 sonar

33:13

survey that found the movie prop You

33:15

discovered the wreck of John Cobb speedboat

33:18

and you've interviewed that hotel manager who

33:20

started the whole craze How did you

33:22

start becoming interested and involved

33:25

in Loch Ness? Well, I was a

33:27

schoolboy in the 1960s

33:29

which was a time of challenge

33:32

to authorities of all kinds

33:34

both political and What

33:37

was deemed to be a scientific?

33:39

establishment

33:41

So it's challenge to convention.

33:43

It was a time when

33:45

human testimony

33:48

Was seen to be denigrated

33:51

by those in authority

33:53

That was when the so-called

33:56

science of cryptozoology

33:58

was born I call

34:00

it a movement. It rather

34:03

misunderstood the nature

34:05

of the scientific method

34:08

because science in

34:10

general regards witness testimony,

34:14

unsupported witness

34:16

testimony as anecdotal.

34:19

There is some effort being

34:21

made by myself and Dr. Cackston

34:27

to beat anecdotes into

34:29

data by clustering

34:33

similar sorts of experience

34:36

together.

34:37

See how they match up. To see how

34:39

they match up, to see if they group together.

34:42

I'm

34:42

so disappointed to learn that that really

34:45

famous photograph was

34:48

a tiny, it was only two feet long.

34:50

Like it just looks like it was this massive

34:52

thing. And I'm like, what? Two feet long?

34:54

It's a lame. One of the reasons for

34:56

that is because the picture as normally

34:59

presented is actually heavily

35:01

cropped. And so you don't

35:03

really get a sense of scale

35:06

for the ripples. But if

35:08

you have experience of water,

35:11

you can see particularly in

35:14

the uncropped print that

35:17

those waves are actually

35:19

just oily little ripples.

35:22

And that tells you that the object

35:24

is very small. We've known that

35:27

since the 1970s. What

35:30

we didn't know was what the small object

35:32

was. Was it a mistake

35:34

or was it a fake? It turned

35:37

out yes, it was a fake.

35:38

OK, so I went to your center

35:42

by the lake. It's fabulous because there's just a

35:44

million things in there you can read about. It's

35:46

very educational. But the

35:48

older woman, I'm sure she's probably

35:51

passed away by now, who initially said

35:53

she saw it and then told everyone

35:55

in town, my willingness

35:57

to believe her is because I would have thought.

36:00

that the town people would say she's absolutely

36:02

crazy, like

36:05

to admit that to me would

36:07

seem to be putting yourself out there

36:09

for a lot of mockery. So

36:12

her story, do you believe

36:14

the older woman

36:17

that went into town and told everyone, do you believe

36:19

that story?

36:19

I believe that oldie Mackay

36:23

is recounting what she saw.

36:26

Okay. But she did not tell

36:28

the world at all. She

36:30

was in a car with her husband. She was driving

36:32

back to Drumner Drockett from in

36:34

the nest. She saw what she

36:37

saw, which was sort of a hump shaped

36:40

impression of a creature, whatever

36:42

it was. But she kept

36:44

it very much to herself. What

36:46

happened was that a water bailiff

36:49

came to the Drumner Drockett Hotel. His

36:51

name was Alex Campbell. And

36:55

he was going to discuss the

36:57

coming salmon season.

36:59

And Mrs. Mackay's husband dropped

37:02

her in it. Oh, okay.

37:05

He outed her. He

37:07

outed her. Wow.

37:10

And of course,

37:11

Alex Campbell, the water

37:13

bailiff, was also

37:15

a newspaper correspondent.

37:19

Oh. And I think you can imagine

37:21

the rest. Thank you for teaching me how to productively

37:23

pronounce the name of the village. And my apologies to all

37:25

of the people there. Drumner Drockett means the

37:27

ridge of the bridge. I

37:30

love that. We've got a bridge. So as a naturalist,

37:32

I imagine that you would be excited to

37:34

discover that the Loch Ness Monster

37:37

actually exists. You do

37:39

these methods that end up disproving it from

37:42

time to time, but you would want, I

37:44

imagine you would love nothing more than to be the person who discovers

37:46

the actual existence of this creature. Well,

37:49

we would love to have

37:51

a Loch Ness Monster. And actually we will.

37:54

As long as we want one, there will

37:57

be a Loch Ness Monster. It is just

37:59

a matter. of what we perceive it to

38:01

be. Oh, tell me more about that. Even

38:04

beyond the matter of animals, there

38:07

is the matter of what we are seeing.

38:09

So we have not actually been hunting

38:12

an animal Loch Ness monster for

38:15

a very long time. For

38:17

example, the fact that the water

38:20

in Loch Ness can sometimes move against

38:22

the wind. Bearing

38:25

objects like debris, bits

38:27

of tree trunk, that sort

38:29

of thing, against the

38:31

wind, looking as if they

38:34

are swimming. That

38:36

explains that. So that's a special thing

38:38

which was simply

38:40

discovered by thermometers.

38:44

Do you have a population

38:47

of haters, per se, who are like,

38:49

oh man, don't bum us out with your

38:51

science. Like, leave

38:54

us the dream, man. Leave us

38:56

the hope that it's real and it's

38:58

down there and it's like the real, with the

39:00

hump and the whole thing.

39:01

That something large and scary can kill us. Please

39:04

let us have that hope. That is

39:06

the difference between resorting to

39:08

possibility over probability.

39:11

Right. That's so interesting that

39:13

you see that myths and science

39:16

can coexist. That's something that you don't hear

39:18

a lot about.

39:19

Well, some people, it's

39:21

a question of the carton, the horse, and the chicken,

39:23

and the egg. Which

39:25

comes first? Does what

39:28

is seen in nature inform

39:32

myth, or certainly does

39:35

it work the other way around, that our imagination

39:38

alone generates things and

39:40

then nature confirms

39:42

them. Confirmation bias

39:45

meant

39:46

that

39:47

people saw multi-hump

39:50

phenomena in Loch Ness.

39:53

Now, the investigators

39:55

of the 60s discovered

39:58

that these were boat wakes.

40:00

And then in our minds you can interpret that

40:03

as those ways of a serpent or of

40:05

a monster. Well you do it confirms exactly

40:07

what a monster's a Vertically

40:09

undulating monster should look like. I could

40:12

talk to you about this all day But let's get to the reason we

40:14

brought you here as far as our game is concerned

40:16

You heard the question that we asked of Kathleen We want

40:18

to know according to a naturalist some

40:20

guy named Adrian shine who's been studying

40:22

life and Loch Ness for over 50 years If

40:24

people think that they see a living thing

40:26

that is the monster is likely one of three types of

40:29

fish We want to know what are those three types

40:31

Helen? What was the first answer that Kathleen gave

40:33

Kathleen said eel and

40:35

Adrian well That

40:38

is one of the modern theories now

40:40

the theory runs that

40:42

some eels Like it's so

40:44

much in Loch Ness that

40:47

they get bigger and bigger

40:49

and bigger and do not

40:51

Go back to the sea.

40:53

All right, so that so Kathleen was correct with eels

40:55

Helen What was the next answer that Kathleen gave

40:58

Kathleen said catfish

40:59

and Adrian that would be correct again?

41:02

Another modern theory again not

41:04

one of mine But the idea

41:07

is that the European catfish

41:09

the world's is a very big and ugly fish

41:12

In fact, it's a mouth with a tail

41:15

And it'll eat anything it can get

41:17

into that mouth and catfish By

41:20

the way is the is the activity of noodling

41:22

that we mentioned that's a common thing in some parts of

41:24

the south here Yeah, that's one of your that's one of

41:26

your United States pursuits.

41:28

Yeah. All right, and then finally Helen What

41:31

was the third answer that Kathleen gave

41:33

Kathleen said tuna

41:35

and Adrian? I'm afraid not No,

41:38

no, what was that third? It's a

41:40

very fine fish, but it would it

41:42

would not go into fresh water

41:44

but And

41:48

sturgeon is where much of caviar comes

41:50

from as well as of course the can

41:52

at Kroger Adrian it's been so wonderful for

41:54

you to join us Kathleen anything else you'd like to ask

41:56

or say to our expert while we have him here

41:59

Didn't they do a

42:02

giant thing like this summer,

42:04

maybe August of this summer where they had a line

42:06

of boats with sonar to go do

42:08

another

42:08

check? No, that was mine

42:11

in 1987. It was called Operation

42:14

Deep Scan.

42:15

I saw yours, but I thought they did

42:17

an updated

42:17

version. No, no. They had a few people

42:20

standing around the lot. Oh,

42:22

okay.

42:23

It was a sort of a reenactment,

42:25

I feel. Oh, it was a reenactment. Oh, okay. They weren't

42:27

actually doing that.

42:28

I watched yours

42:30

on YouTube, and it was

42:31

great.

42:33

Thank you. And

42:35

I'm very glad you're still interested. I

42:38

am. I am. And don't worry. You

42:40

can still seek possibilities,

42:43

even if the probabilities are getting a

42:45

bit thin. What a wonderful message.

42:47

Adrian, if people want to find out more about you and your work,

42:49

where can they do that?

42:51

Well, they can look at our website,

42:54

Loch Ness Project dot com. We'll

42:57

have a few books around before too long.

42:59

I would think so. Well, thank you so much

43:01

for the work that you do for helping to advance the

43:03

cause of science. And thank you so much for joining us today.

43:06

Adrian Schein, everybody. Thank

43:08

you. All right, Helen, what is our score

43:10

at the end of that round?

43:11

At the end of that round, Kathleen Madigan has

43:13

five and a half points, and Ron Pope has

43:16

one point with a round of questions for Ron

43:18

coming up.

43:18

That's right. We're going to talk with Ron about a topic he

43:21

knows about. Kathleen and Ron will go head

43:23

to head in our FAF facts round all to find

43:25

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43:30

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44:18

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44:20

with our guests Kathleen Madigan

44:22

and Ron Pope. Once again, here's

44:24

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44:25

Thank you so much, Helen. All right, Ron, of

44:27

your many interests, you told us that you know and love

44:29

the band The Counting Crows, the TV

44:31

show Yellowstone up to season four, and

44:34

New York's best slice of pizza. Let's

44:36

find out a little bit more about each of those. First, tell us

44:38

about the band Counting Crows and what they mean to you.

44:41

Well, when I was growing up, Counting

44:43

Crows were like my Grateful Dead. I

44:46

went on the road, which is ridiculous because the

44:48

Grateful Dead were still on tour then, so I really

44:50

could have gone to the Grateful Dead. But

44:53

I became a devotee

44:56

and I followed them around the country and

44:58

saw them play lots of times and was an

45:00

absolutely obsessive student

45:02

of their music. Very cool. All right. Next, tell

45:04

us what the TV show Yellowstone up to season

45:07

four means to you. Well, my

45:09

wife and I were always looking for

45:11

something like, you know, to watch one episode

45:14

of in between when we put our five-year-old

45:17

to sleep and when we become

45:19

unconscious ourselves. And

45:22

Yellowstone is so engaging that it has

45:24

been keep it keeps us awake. Some nights we

45:26

even watch two like twenty

45:29

four. Yeah, exactly. I

45:32

mean, and I think also, you know, as music

45:34

people, the first four seasons of Yellowstone

45:37

did incredible work with

45:39

music and helped to really launch

45:42

a bunch of careers. Zach Bryan, who

45:44

is a world beater now about

45:47

it, but it's also just like a beautiful visually.

45:49

It's incredibly arresting because it's a lovely

45:52

snapshot of the American West. All right. And then finally,

45:54

tell us about New York's best slice of pizza.

45:56

When I was 22, 21, 20 years. old 20,

46:01

up to maybe 25. Sounds like your early 20s man. Yeah

46:03

somewhere, like I said my life has felt like one

46:05

very long night. The odds of

46:07

me standing in front of Joe's

46:10

Pizzeria, Joe's on Carmine Street

46:12

as you just begin, you know, where

46:15

the center of the village meets the West

46:17

Village, virtually 100%. But

46:19

as I got older and I started eating it during

46:22

the day, I came to realize that it truly

46:24

is by the slice, there's nobody that even touches

46:27

those. The recipe works, they're

46:29

only doing what they do, they haven't added stuff to

46:31

the menu, you walk in there, you get a chia

46:33

slice, it murders. Alright,

46:37

well to summarize, you said that you know and love the band

46:39

Counting Crows, the TV show Yellowstone

46:42

and New York's best slice of pizza. Today we want

46:44

to quiz you about Counting Crows.

46:46

Alright. You have favorite songs in

46:48

the catalog? I think that the

46:51

first four

46:53

albums are all perfect

46:56

basically. It's one of those bands where the

46:59

storytelling is masterful, the

47:01

playing is incredible, I love the production.

47:03

It also has this beautiful nostalgic thing

47:06

for me because when I put it on, you know, it

47:08

takes me to a place where I'm 16 through

47:11

you know 23 or whatever

47:13

it's at that part of my life and I've

47:15

stolen from them relentlessly.

47:18

Oh I was gonna ask you about that, tell me about how you've stolen.

47:20

Well when I was a kid, you know, you

47:22

go to a show, you see a guy with

47:24

his foot on a monitor taking an accordion

47:27

solo in a rock band. I was like,

47:29

alright we're gonna write that down, guy with a

47:31

foot on a monitor playing

47:34

the accordion solo. And so

47:36

now you know, I would say probably

47:38

in roots music, I'm one of the few people where

47:40

when you come to a show there's often someone

47:43

playing accordion and so it's and that's

47:45

where they have their foot. Where do they have their foot on? Right,

47:47

when it's come time to take an accordion solo, that's

47:49

what's going on a monitor. All right, thank

47:52

you Counting Crows.

47:53

I can't believe they didn't patent that

47:55

for

47:55

trademarking. Well

47:58

just ahead Ron, we're gonna list the help of a bono.

47:59

unified expert in your topic with a question

48:02

worth up to three points. But before that, to let

48:04

you show your love, here are five trivia questions

48:06

about your topic each worth one point. If

48:08

you want it, you're allowed to hint for any two of these five

48:10

questions. Now Kathleen, do listen closely because

48:13

if Ron answers incorrectly, you could steal. Kathleen,

48:15

by the way, how much do you know about Counting Crows?

48:18

Oh, I would say just as much

48:20

as your average American idiot.

48:23

Okay. Enough. Enough.

48:25

Yeah. Okay.

48:29

Okay. But you know enough to know that you liked the

48:31

yellow album.

48:32

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

48:34

I go see him. Okay. I

48:37

like him.

48:38

Terrific. Yeah. All

48:40

right. Well, here's question number one for Ron Pope. for

48:43

their song, Accidentally in Love, which

48:45

appeared in the first sequel to what

48:47

animated film starring the voices of Mike

48:49

Myers, Eddie Murphy, and Cameron Diaz?

48:52

Shrek. Helen?

48:54

That is correct. That is correct for the

48:56

point. Wow. Accidentally in

48:58

Love from Shrek 2 spent 20 weeks on the Billboard 100

49:00

chart, as did the band's biggest

49:03

Billboard hit, Hanging Around. You

49:05

did not need the hint in that, but Helen, what would that first

49:07

hint have been? What are

49:09

you doing in my swamp?

49:12

Thank you.

49:13

Helen Hawn. Helen Hawn. Wonderful

49:16

impression. Bravo. I'm sorry our expert from

49:18

the first segment wasn't around to hear that because

49:20

I'm sure he would have loved it. All right.

49:23

Here's question number two. On the video for Along

49:25

December, featured a sitcom superstar

49:28

who had been featured in another famous music video,

49:31

Bruce Springsteen's Dancing in the Dark, and

49:33

later dated lead singer Adam Duritz.

49:36

Who is it? Courtney Cox. Another

49:38

fun fact, he also dated Jennifer Aniston.

49:41

Helen?

49:41

Whoa, he made the round of

49:43

friends because that is correct.

49:45

That is correct. Fun

49:47

fact, a couple years before Long December,

49:49

Duritz dated Jennifer Aniston. Thank

49:52

you, Ron. And somehow Aniston and Cox

49:55

remained friends.

49:56

Hey, nice word. Hold

49:58

for grown. All right, you're two for two. Here's

50:01

question number three. Counting

50:03

Crows didn't just record their own songs. In fact,

50:05

their 2012 album, Underwater

50:07

Sunshine, or what we did on our summer vacation,

50:10

was all cover songs. But which

50:12

of the following songs did not appear

50:15

on the album? Was it Ooh La

50:17

La by Faces, and later Rod Stewart,

50:19

The Ghost in You by the Psychedelic Furs,

50:22

Amy by Pure Prairie League, Start

50:25

Again by Teenage Fan Club, or

50:27

You Ain't Goin' Nowhere by Bob Dylan?

50:30

So this is after the

50:32

period that

50:35

I am listening to this band. So I

50:37

am blindly guessing. Also, they

50:40

considered one of my songs for.

50:42

Oh, how wonderful. There could have been a

50:44

Ron Pope cover. Yes, and then I wouldn't

50:46

be able to be on this podcast because I would have died.

50:49

Oh, wow. Well, and I guess thank

50:51

goodness they didn't. I know that they do You Ain't Goin'

50:54

Nowhere, so it can't be, that one is

50:56

surely one of them that's on there. But otherwise,

50:58

I don't know. I'm not sure. So if

51:00

there's a clue between the other ones, there's four

51:03

others there, I don't know. Yeah. All right, Helen,

51:05

how about that first hand?

51:05

Ooh La La by Faces is

51:09

one of the songs on the album.

51:10

Okay, and so now the three that are

51:12

left are The Ghost in You, Pure Prairie

51:15

League, Amy, and what else? Start

51:17

Again by Teenage Fan Club. Okay,

51:21

can I use my second clue here? Oh,

51:24

interesting. That's never been done before.

51:26

I guess you, Helen, I don't know, can he? You

51:29

might wanna save it for later, I don't know. Nah. Yeah,

51:32

but. I know everything about the actual albums of this band.

51:34

This is a record of covers. This feels

51:36

like. Helen, let's try it. Yeah,

51:39

yeah. Let's give, I believe, for the first time

51:41

ever, a rare second hint on a question.

51:44

Helen, how about that second hint? Okay,

51:46

Amy by Pure Prairie League

51:49

is one of the songs on the album.

51:51

Okay, well then I'm gonna

51:53

guess The Ghost in You.

51:55

Helen?

51:56

That is correct. That is correct, the

51:58

double hint.

51:59

All I needed was one, was, you know,

52:02

to get two of them taken away. 40% off

52:05

and I've got it. Yeah, we got quite

52:07

a bargain on that question. That one was on sale.

52:09

Yeah. Fun fact, bonus

52:11

tracks for the album were available on iTunes,

52:14

adding Girl from the North Country by Bob Dylan

52:16

and Borderline by Madonna. Huh,

52:19

that's fun. Counting Crows sings

52:20

Madonna. Alright, here's question number four.

52:23

You have no hints available. Let's see how you do. Perhaps

52:26

Counting Crows most well-known song is Mr. Jones,

52:29

which was the seventh most played song

52:31

on US radio in 1994. You

52:33

might be shocked to hear then that the song never entered

52:36

the Billboard Hot 100 chart. What is

52:38

the explanation for this perplexing phenomenon?

52:41

It was never released as a single.

52:43

Helen? That is correct. He didn't need

52:45

that hint, that's correct. Fun

52:48

fact, the song was not released as a single so that

52:50

more people would buy the full album. By

52:52

the way, the title Mr. Jones refers to bass

52:54

player Marty Jones, but Adam Durrett said

52:57

the song is really about himself, just that someone

52:59

named Mr. Jones happened to be nearby

53:01

when he wrote it. Alright Ron, here's

53:04

question number five.

53:05

The band's most recent full-length album is

53:08

2014's Somewhere Under Wonderland, produced

53:11

by Brian Deck. But Deck didn't

53:13

just produce, he also was credited with

53:15

playing two percussion instruments on

53:17

the tracks Palisade Spark and

53:19

God of Ocean Tides. One is a

53:21

piano, what is the other instruments?

53:24

Tambourine? Helen?

53:26

That is not correct. No, I'm terribly

53:28

sorry Kathleen, with a chance to steal. Accordion!

53:31

Helen, is

53:34

it the percussion instrument of the accordion? It

53:37

is not. No, but I'm sure if he did he would have

53:39

been having his foot on a monitor. No,

53:42

let's see if the hint might have helped. Helen, what would that hint have been?

53:45

It translates from

53:47

German as bells

53:49

played. That's

53:50

right, Glockenspiel. He

53:53

played the Glockenspiel on two of those

53:55

Counting Crows tracks. Fun fact, Adam

53:57

Durrance has called Palisade's Park, quote, about the best.

54:00

thing I've written in my life. Brian

54:02

Deck also worked on the band's album Saturday

54:04

Nights and Sunday Mornings that was not credited

54:07

on a glockenspiel. All right Ron you did

54:09

pretty well in that round but now here is your expert

54:11

level question that requires multiple answers. It

54:13

is time for your cluster facts. We'll

54:18

be bringing on an expert to discuss your response.

54:21

Ron in 1994 Counting Crows

54:23

appeared for their first and only time on

54:25

the cover of a particular national magazine

54:28

with the caption, The Biggest New Band

54:30

in America. For

54:32

up to three points, what magazine is

54:34

it? What

54:34

Counting Crows album did the magazine

54:37

call in that issue an exquisitely

54:39

bleak intimate song cycle? And

54:41

what founding member of Counting Crows played

54:44

drums on that album and appeared on

54:46

that magazine Rolling Stone, August

54:50

and Everything After and

54:56

so in the beginning the

54:58

band is let me do it let me see if I can

55:01

do it so

55:02

Adam is singing

55:04

Charlie is playing keyboards

55:08

I don't know if he's in the band yet he's one of the guitar

55:10

players there's Dave Bryson who plays

55:12

rhythm guitar there's um

55:15

their other David who plays guitar there's

55:18

Matt who's the bass player okay I've got

55:20

everybody except for the drummer and

55:22

he left the band and he lives in

55:24

Nashville now and he plays on sessions

55:28

I can see it in my mind I can see

55:30

his I can see his haircut oh

55:32

man oh take me back to

55:34

the 90s uh you know what I

55:37

can't think of his name I cannot I cannot

55:39

think of his name yes you obviously know who it is

55:41

you just can't quite pull the name no worries I can draw

55:43

him wow okay well if you want to

55:46

do that while we're talking we'll uh we'll present that we'll

55:48

present that drawing uh all right Helen is taking

55:50

note of those answers we have an expert on hand you can tell

55:52

us for sure Helen who do we have tonight

55:54

joining us tonight from Tennessee

55:57

is a musician and songwriter who's

55:59

many a

55:59

accomplishments include being a founding

56:02

member and drummer for Counting Crows.

56:05

Oh my God. It's Steve Bowman.

56:08

Steve

56:08

Bowman. Fuck.

56:14

That is the response we're always hoping for. Hello

56:16

Steve. Hey, how are you? Hey Ron. Hi

56:19

Steve. Awesome. Thank you so much

56:21

for joining us. Sure. There was

56:23

so much that Ron was correct about

56:25

that. You are in the Nashville area, yes?

56:28

Yeah. I live in Murfreesboro now. Just

56:31

about 45 minutes south of town. Wow.

56:38

Ron, tell us about the haircut

56:40

that you had. Yeah, I love that he was going to draw my

56:42

haircut. No,

56:45

I can see you in my mind. It's

56:47

crazy. Here we are

56:49

in the future. Yeah,

56:52

so when I was coming here,

56:55

Matt Chamberlain told me

56:57

that you lived here now. And I was like, oh,

57:00

interesting. Yeah. I'm

57:03

thrilled to know Matt Chamberlain knows who I

57:06

am. So wonderful. And

57:08

for those who don't know, who is Matt Chamberlain? Matt

57:11

Chamberlain is one of the most recorded drummers

57:14

that's kind of walking right now. He's like

57:17

our lifetime's Bernard Purdy,

57:19

perhaps. You did it. You hired the hit

57:21

maker. When Chamberlain's played

57:24

on records for everyone, he's currently

57:26

in Brandy Carlisle's band. He was just in

57:28

Bob Dylan's band. Before that, he

57:30

played with Wallflowers

57:33

bringing down the horse. It's like there's

57:35

such a nice camaraderie among Nashville-area

57:37

musicians. Well, Steve, we're going to talk with

57:39

you about your work with Cannon Crowe in a moment. But first,

57:42

tell us about what you're doing in Murfreesboro, because it's very

57:44

interesting. You've got a company there called the Murfreesboro

57:46

Music Lab that you've said is exactly what I want to

57:48

do. And right where I want to do it. So tell us what you're doing and why

57:51

it's there. Well, it is. I

57:54

moved from Nashville

57:56

to Murfreesboro in 2020. I wanted to slow down

57:58

the

57:59

down a little and just have a more quaint

58:02

small-town life and that's exactly what

58:05

this is and Murfreesboro

58:07

Music Lab is a teaching

58:09

studio I do right here in my house two

58:12

blocks from MTSU and

58:15

it's wonderful I am

58:18

working from home and playing a lot of

58:20

disc golf and riding my bike and

58:23

you know I'm 56 now my interests

58:25

have have changed a little and

58:27

I don't like moving drums I don't like

58:29

hustling so I'm really

58:31

grateful to have a situation like this and

58:34

music education is fun for me right now

58:36

what ages do you teach and what kind of things do you

58:38

teach well I'm glad yes because I really

58:41

am trying to work with aspiring

58:43

professionals what I really love

58:45

doing is is working with folks

58:48

that are wanting to do

58:50

this seriously and professionally

58:53

maybe and are good and passionate

58:55

and do you teach glockenspiel I know

58:58

no I don't but I have

59:00

I have referrals okay

59:02

that's good and what about the whole accordion with

59:04

the foot on the monitor thing was that something you were aware

59:07

was happening well that was accounting crows

59:09

trademark you know Charlie Gillingham

59:11

is what we call a badass

59:14

and Charlie would come out play

59:16

accordion with a motorcycle jacket

59:19

on big old boots there

59:21

was foot up on a monitor Charlie's

59:23

a great-looking guy and so

59:26

I remember in the band we would always

59:28

try to push him up first

59:29

in front and stuff he

59:32

was a rock star I was so glad to be able

59:34

to play with him

59:36

obviously made an impression well let's talk about

59:38

counting crows where were you in your life when you joined the

59:40

band and how did that start I was

59:42

doing sessions and trying to

59:44

make a living as a musician

59:47

and I was doing work out of a little studio

59:49

in Berkeley called dancing dog studios

59:52

that Dave Bryson owned and ran

59:54

Dave Bryson is the guitarist

59:57

with counting crows so Dave

59:59

and I were really good

59:59

friends and when he and Adam

1:00:02

decided

1:00:03

to fill out the band, I was

1:00:06

lucky enough to get the call. Wow. And

1:00:09

as you were making some of these songs that would be on this first album

1:00:11

that went huge, did you have a sense that, oh,

1:00:14

we got something here? Well, you know,

1:00:16

it's really interesting. If you look at

1:00:18

the timing, when

1:00:20

we were making that record, the two biggest things

1:00:23

going were Pearl Jam and Nirvana. And

1:00:26

what I think happened was that it

1:00:28

was kind of at a change when

1:00:30

people were ready for something a little more intimate, maybe

1:00:33

a little more

1:00:33

melodic. And

1:00:36

so we just unbelievable

1:00:39

timing. I mean, that record could have been released at other

1:00:41

times and not done as much, you know, but

1:00:44

just who knows? It's a crazy business.

1:00:47

People don't generally compare Counting

1:00:50

Crows to Motley Crue. But if you will,

1:00:52

I have a notion here. I have always thought

1:00:54

this my whole life. So when Motley Crue came out,

1:00:57

L.A. Punk was happening. There was nothing that

1:01:00

sounded like them on the radio. And

1:01:02

then they became the biggest band in

1:01:04

the world. And after that, if you walk

1:01:06

down the Sunset Strip with the right haircut,

1:01:09

you got a record deal. And Counting

1:01:11

Crows were at the forefront of

1:01:14

this movement where these more intimate

1:01:17

and thoughtful story songs

1:01:19

came to be, you know, it's

1:01:22

central to popular culture. And then

1:01:24

there was a period of time afterwards where there were so many

1:01:26

bands that got deals and

1:01:28

got to have big records that were

1:01:30

very much akin to Counting Crows. But

1:01:33

before Counting Crows, there was nothing

1:01:35

happening on the radio that was like it. And that

1:01:37

to me was incredibly striking

1:01:39

about the first handful of years to

1:01:41

storyteller-y aspect of Springsteen's

1:01:44

music and Neil Young and all of that

1:01:46

stuff. It was integrated into this music,

1:01:48

but it was happening in real time around me.

1:01:52

So as I was coming up, it's like I loved all this old

1:01:54

music. And now all of a sudden there's these young, cool

1:01:56

guys making this amazing

1:01:59

music. real time and that changed my

1:02:01

life. So that's how Counting

1:02:03

Crows were like Motley Crue. Uh-huh.

1:02:08

Steve, you got a big smile on your faces. Ron was talking

1:02:10

about what that music meant to him. I imagine that

1:02:12

feels really good to hear those kinds of things from

1:02:15

fans. It does. I mean, I'm so

1:02:17

lucky. I played on the Yellow album. You can tell

1:02:19

Catherine that. Yeah. One

1:02:24

of the things you're doing nowadays is a podcast

1:02:26

that people can find on Spotify. It's called

1:02:28

Letters to an Aspiring Musician. You've

1:02:31

described it as what I saw, what I did, and what

1:02:33

I could have done better. Tell us what you

1:02:35

mean more about what you could have done better. Well,

1:02:37

certainly, I didn't last in Counting

1:02:40

Crows as long as I could

1:02:42

have. I was very passionate

1:02:44

and immature and

1:02:45

young and fiery. And I think

1:02:48

I was a better drummer than a hang

1:02:50

at that point. So I had a lot to

1:02:52

learn in those areas. The podcast

1:02:55

was really in my mid-50s

1:02:58

trying to go back and say, what have I learned in 30

1:03:00

years that might help a 20-year-old that's

1:03:03

just starting out? And so

1:03:06

it's a who, what, where, why, when of

1:03:08

everything I felt could be important

1:03:11

to a person to save time, money, or pain

1:03:13

off their journey. Can

1:03:15

you give us a sample tip that you wish you had

1:03:18

known back then? I often tell

1:03:20

people who come to Nashville, get a 615

1:03:22

area code, because people don't need

1:03:25

that anymore. But if you're going down

1:03:27

a list of players to text and you

1:03:29

see 615, you're more

1:03:31

likely to do it. So little things. Ron,

1:03:34

I'm sure you have a 615 by now, don't

1:03:36

you?

1:03:36

You know, I have not changed

1:03:39

my phone number in probably 25 years

1:03:42

or something like that. I shouldn't tell

1:03:44

that, because I used to get a lot of crazy

1:03:46

people calling me. I guess,

1:03:48

no, I never answer it, so it doesn't matter. Wait,

1:03:51

is 615 the

1:03:52

Nashville area code? Nice. And

1:03:54

no, it's got a cascade to it. That's sort

1:03:57

of clarified. Yes. Yeah.

1:03:59

And Kathleen, are you with us? 615er I'm

1:04:00

super super

1:04:03

drug hood 213 LA

1:04:05

Three

1:04:08

baby represent. Yeah, that's OG. That's

1:04:10

OG. All right, Steve Let's get some reason we brought

1:04:12

you here as far as our game is concerned You heard the question

1:04:14

that we asked of Ron first want to know what was the magazine

1:04:16

that counting crows appeared on the cover of? In 1994

1:04:19

Helen, what did Ron say?

1:04:21

Ron said Rolling Stone and

1:04:23

Steve

1:04:23

ding ding ding It

1:04:25

is correct. That's correct. Very very nice. I

1:04:28

see what did it mean to you to be on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine?

1:04:30

well, it was amazing and

1:04:34

We were actually in Europe when it

1:04:36

came out and we flew in so the first

1:04:38

place I saw it was at an airport bookstore

1:04:42

and Of course, I grabbed 10 copies

1:04:45

and went and bought them and sent them to my family

1:04:48

back That kind of stuff kept

1:04:50

happening actually just like oh, did you hear

1:04:52

we're doing this? We're touring with the stones

1:04:54

like really Terrific

1:04:59

and a point for Ron. All right. Next we wanted to

1:05:01

know what counting crows album Did that magazine call

1:05:03

in that issue

1:05:04

an exquisitely bleak intimate song cycle

1:05:06

Helen? What did Ron say?

1:05:08

Ron said August and everything

1:05:10

after

1:05:10

and Steve that is correct.

1:05:12

That is correct. Also known as the yellow album

1:05:16

A point for Ron and finally wanted to know what

1:05:18

founding member of counting crows played drums on

1:05:20

that album and appeared on that magazine cover

1:05:26

I'm sorry Ron that we do have to find out.

1:05:29

What was your answer from Helen?

1:05:31

Ron said something about I can

1:05:32

see his hair Yeah, yeah, he could he

1:05:34

said that can you still run? Can

1:05:37

you still see my hair? Not

1:05:39

quite as much That's

1:05:41

Steve Bowman. Well, that was

1:05:43

me Steve Bowman Well

1:05:47

Ron Steve has a great sense of humor about that So please

1:05:50

don't feel bad about it Ron while we have Steve

1:05:52

here anything else you'd like to say or ask him as

1:05:54

your expert well, I was gonna say Steve your

1:05:56

your your podcast sounds very

1:05:58

interesting to me and one thing that I have found,

1:06:01

so my friend Jerry Pentecost, who was the drummer

1:06:03

in my band for many years, Jerry is

1:06:05

now the drummer in Bob Dylan's band. One

1:06:08

thing that we have always talked about, part of

1:06:10

the job is being a good hang. I

1:06:13

wish that when I was young, I had examples

1:06:15

like that in my life, or that people told me that

1:06:17

it's important to show up and be easy to work

1:06:20

with, because that's how

1:06:22

you keep getting invited back. Steve, you've talked

1:06:24

about in some of your lectures and essays and stuff

1:06:27

that I've read about the importance of being

1:06:29

a good hang.

1:06:29

So what is the key to being a good hang? There's

1:06:32

so many factors, but one of the things,

1:06:35

try to make eye contact if you're saying,

1:06:37

please, thank you, I'm sorry, and

1:06:39

goodbye, if you handle those four. Just

1:06:42

the basics of what I didn't observe

1:06:44

as well as I could have, and maybe people can't.

1:06:47

Steve, it's been so wonderful that you joined us. If people want to find

1:06:49

out more about you and what you're up to, where can they do that?

1:06:52

Well, I have two things. One is

1:06:54

my website. It is murphysburromusiclab.org,

1:06:58

M-U-M-U-L-A-B.org. I

1:07:04

also have the podcast, Letters

1:07:06

to an Aspiring Musician, available

1:07:10

on Spotify. I'm going

1:07:12

to be having an instructional video.

1:07:15

It's all done and finished, and I just have to figure out

1:07:17

how to market it. That's going to be coming out next

1:07:20

year. Steve, next

1:07:22

time that we talk, I want to tell

1:07:24

you the story of when Bernard Purdy

1:07:27

told me to buy his instructional video.

1:07:32

All right, well, it looks like you got one you can add to your collection.

1:07:35

Thank you so much for joining us. It's the good hang

1:07:37

himself, Steve Bowman. Hey! Hey!

1:07:41

All right, Helen, what is our score at the end of that round?

1:07:43

At the end of that round, Kathleen Madigan has

1:07:45

five and a half points, and Ron Pope has seven

1:07:48

points.

1:07:48

All right, now it comes down to our final

1:07:50

round called Fast Facts. I'll read 10 statements,

1:07:53

and each contestant will answer with true or false.

1:07:55

I'll start with Kathleen and alternate between each guest.

1:07:58

Each correct answer is worth one point.

1:07:59

Please answer each statement with true or

1:08:02

false here. We begin Kathleen

1:08:05

Jamie Lee Curtis is an award-winning actor

1:08:07

True correct Ron Jamie Lee

1:08:10

Curtis has been awarded an Oscar

1:08:12

False incorrect. No, she just won

1:08:14

last year for everything everywhere all at once Kathleen

1:08:17

Jamie Lee Curtis has been awarded a BAFTA

1:08:20

True correct. Yes for trading

1:08:22

places Ron Jamie Lee Curtis has

1:08:24

been awarded a patent false

1:08:28

Correct. No, she really has. Who knows anything about Jamie Lee Curtis?

1:08:30

What are we doing? Kathleen

1:08:33

the patent is for a product used for filmmaking

1:08:36

false correct Ron the patent

1:08:38

is for a product used for babies false

1:08:42

incorrect I don't know anything about Jamie Lee Curtis

1:08:45

I don't know how Kathleen does know so much about Jamie

1:08:47

Lee Curtis I read

1:08:49

them Kathleen it's a type of pacifier

1:08:52

true incorrect Ron. It's

1:08:54

a type of diaper true correct.

1:08:56

Oh, there you go Kathleen it's a

1:08:58

diaper with a zipper Fall

1:09:01

correct Ron. It's a diaper with a pocket

1:09:03

true Correct. Yes

1:09:06

to hold baby wipes Kathleen the title

1:09:08

of the patent is diaper improvement

1:09:10

module fall Correct

1:09:13

Ron. It's diaper storage accessory Falls

1:09:17

correct Kathleen. It's diaper with

1:09:19

a pocket true And

1:09:23

correct and finally Ron it's diaper

1:09:25

But you get to put something in the back of it, and it was invented

1:09:27

by Jamie Lee Curtis False, but that

1:09:29

would have been a better title Helen

1:09:32

correct correct all right. We're not going to

1:09:34

count those last few I want to thank Ron Pope

1:09:36

and Kathleen Madigan as Helen tabulates the final

1:09:38

score by the way the title of the patent is infant

1:09:41

garment infant garment

1:09:44

Jamie Lee Curtis by the way refused to license the

1:09:46

patent to manufacturers because disposable

1:09:49

diapers are not Environmentally friendly the

1:09:51

patent has since expired so have

1:09:53

at it all right Helen you ready to announce

1:09:55

the winner of today's episode

1:09:56

Oh my gosh, Jakey fit is unbelievably

1:10:00

At the end of the game, Kathleen Madigan

1:10:02

has nine and a half points, and

1:10:05

Ron Pope has nine points.

1:10:06

Congratulations, Kathleen! You

1:10:08

are the fact-seeing champion! Ron, I'm applauding

1:10:11

you for being such a good sport. Kathleen, what will

1:10:13

you do with your championship? I'm going

1:10:15

to go learn some more about Jamie Lee Curtis and

1:10:17

play again. All

1:10:20

right, I'm sure we all will enjoy that.

1:10:23

All right, I'm going to wrap up by giving everyone here a chance

1:10:25

to mention or promote anything. Kathleen Madigan,

1:10:27

where can people find what you're up to? KathleenMadigan.com.

1:10:29

You can find everything

1:10:31

you ever wanted to know on there and all social media. It's

1:10:33

all in one place. There you go. Off to the races.

1:10:35

You can see a video of my cat every

1:10:37

Monday. I will watch that. And by

1:10:39

the way, I saw your kitten come up behind you,

1:10:42

and I can't believe I was able to continue with the show after seeing that. That's

1:10:44

all I wanted to see. Very cute kitty.

1:10:47

She's right there. Hi, kitty. Well,

1:10:49

thank you so much for joining us, Kathleen. It was quite a treat. Ron

1:10:52

Pope, where can people find you and what you're up to? RonPopeMusic.com.

1:10:56

RonPopeMusic.com is all things

1:10:59

Ron Pope. And of course, I am on all

1:11:02

of the social media sites. We're

1:11:04

all doing them all. I'm in there. We're all doing

1:11:06

them all. As my grandmother used to say, he's

1:11:09

in the internet. We

1:11:13

thank you for stopping here while you're in the

1:11:15

internet. Ron Pope, everyone.

1:11:18

Lydia Zemmon, my hosting partner, is Helen Hong.

1:11:20

Helen, where can people find you?

1:11:21

I'm actually going to be in a really

1:11:24

cool documentary about reproductive

1:11:26

rights. It is called No One Asked

1:11:29

You, and it is premiering

1:11:31

at Dock New York City, upcoming.

1:11:34

And you can find more information at DockNewYorkCity.net

1:11:38

slash film slash no

1:11:40

one

1:11:41

asked you. Helen, if I'm not mistaken, you

1:11:43

mentioned that on the very first episode of

1:11:45

Go Fact Yourself.

1:11:46

I guess

1:11:48

it takes that long to make a documentary.

1:11:51

Yes, good to know. All right, Helen Hong,

1:11:53

everybody. And me, you can find me on whatever

1:11:55

they're going to call Twitter at J underscore

1:11:57

Keith, and on all the other socials at J Keith.

1:12:01

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1:12:04

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1:12:06

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