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So, Jack, do you call it a crick or a creek? I call it a creek.

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You're from West Virginia. I know, but I'm not from the holler.

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Hi, I'm Jack. And I'm Kevin. This is good company in the car.

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Music.

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So, listening to the podcast, you might think that we go to the casino all the

0:27

time, but we don't. We don't. But we've gone a couple of times in the past week.

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I only go with Kevin. Yeah, you only go with me, and I only pretty much go with you.

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So we got there. First of all, we've made friends with the bartenders,

0:38

and particularly Chiquita, who likes Jack.

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And before we went the other night, and again, we went to the Zento Sushi restaurant. We go in. I'm invisible.

0:50

And I think we mentioned that in another episode. He's literally said the exact

0:53

same words before about the staff there.

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Every time we go there. so we get to we got there last night

0:58

it was saturday and it was packed and i made it

1:01

to the bar before jack did we've got the the parking garage

1:04

at mgm national nightmare nightmare and she

1:07

gets up she kind of smiles wanly at me and gives me my beer and

1:10

i'm like jack will be here in a minute she's like oh great so but

1:16

it's it's you know airports that casino is like an airport you see

1:19

everything yes people wear everything in that place pajamas

1:23

are all dressed up there some of of

1:25

them i'm like do you think you look good well well but

1:28

with that you're talking about style and taste yeah but i'm

1:31

talking about there are people that are there that look like they've just got out

1:34

of digging ditches there's people that have got on suits yeah

1:38

it is just such a bizarre and then

1:41

of course i ordered my first my first

1:44

i'm going to say that again my first drink and i'm

1:48

sitting at the bar and i moved my elbow back and hit it and it went right down

1:52

my front which got got me me thinking would you pay a premium an insurance premium

1:57

on your drinks if you spilled it or it got warm you could get another one so

2:02

if the drink's 450 if you pay the insurance it's 550,

2:05

would you take out drink insurance no you wouldn't i drink them too fast you

2:09

drink them too fast the other thing is is if you're good if the bartenders like

2:12

you they'll give you a free drink they will. I don't know drink insurance isn't

2:19

a thing life insurance is a thing and i have this oh i did not see that.

2:31

Oh that was funny i literally

2:35

made a oh god you got to be believe you don't believe

2:38

me face oh that's hilarious that was

2:41

smooth but again you

2:46

can apparently take out insurance on we didn't we don't

2:49

know this you're not supposed to be able to take out life insurance on someone

2:52

else without their knowledge and yeah i didn't yeah i don't

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think i didn't think you could but yeah and you have insurance for

2:58

your life you've got like i've got funeral funeral insurance

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well no no i have several life insurance policies

3:04

and my parents were the ones that grew up with you

3:07

have a certain life insurance policy for the

3:10

purpose of burial so you know it's

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it's it's usually i think i think now it may have grown

3:16

to twenty thousand dollars or something like that but initially

3:19

you know i got it when i was in like second or third grade which kind of seems

3:23

morbid to some people but yeah but that's my parents i mean we we we believe

3:27

in insurance we're big insurers yeah and you know mom had mom had a big life

3:32

insurance policy on dad and dad had a big life insurance policy on mom so Well,

3:36

today's villain had life insurance policies on two of his wives and cashed in on both of them.

3:41

Well, yes, but it's, yeah.

3:45

Okay. Let's get started. All right. This is a Cold Case Files.

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Cold Case Files. Season three. Season three. Episode three.

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Oh, episode three. The Accidental Killer.

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The Accidental Killer. And I'm sorry, I'm going to pause.

4:00

The Good Company in the Car listeners. listeners i could

4:04

not for the life of me figure out what the

4:06

little noise was when i was listening to the playbacks on

4:10

the thing and i realized it's me hitting the

4:13

table oh i could not for the

4:15

life of what is that yes you you bang on the table and i don't mean to do it

4:21

and even if you just barely because it's a wooden table and i can't edit them

4:24

out because you do it while you're talking all the time i know because i talk

4:27

i touch the table it would be sort of like you Remember you said you had that

4:30

cassette and you were listening to it and you didn't realize you hit record.

4:34

Yes. And you turned off record real quick so you know in the song you're going

4:37

along. Yes. And you're like... Down boogie. Ah! Boogie, boogie. And you'd have to do it. It would be like that.

4:43

I would have to slice the lid off. So I apologize profusely. I did not realize what the sound was until the last bit.

4:50

Somebody has it worse than others. All right. Anyway, the episode begins in

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Wolf Creek, Montana, which is a very small town. And it's June 10th, 1975.

4:59

And a man comes barreling into the gas station saying that his wife has drowned

5:03

in Prickly Pear Creek while they were looking for mushrooms.

5:07

Do you know what a prickly pear is? It's a kind of cactus. Yeah.

5:10

Do you know cactus are only native to the Western Hemisphere?

5:14

They only have them in North and South America. And you'll see movies depicting

5:19

Australian outback with cactus. There's no cactus there. They've transplanted them there, but cactus are endemic

5:26

to the American Southwest. Yeah, Mexico. I can't argue with you on that. No, you can't.

5:32

Okay. So the couple is Leslie and Dennis Larson. So this is Dan LaFramboise,

5:39

who is an off-duty Montana highway patrolman.

5:42

Dennis has told Dan that his wife slipped and fell into the creek,

5:45

and would he come back and help her look for her?

5:48

He said he got in to help her up to about here.

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You got to get up pretty early in the morning to get one past 10.

5:53

He ran across the street, and he ran up to me, and he hollered.

5:58

He says, my wife just fell in the creek, and she drowned.

6:01

He said that he jumped into the creek to try to save his wife and try to find

6:05

her. And he says, I jumped in at that first log down.

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And he says, I just bug out, washed into that. And he says, I crawled out.

6:13

And I says, pretty deep, huh? And he says, oh yeah, way up like this. Well, he wasn't wet.

6:19

And I thought, what's going on here? That doesn't sound right.

6:22

So this was where I wanted to know, because he calls it a crick.

6:25

Well, he's out in the middle of the Midwest country. But you do say Pilla.

6:30

Rural, rural. You do say Pilla. I say Pilla and I say Dala.

6:33

Yeah. Yeah, but Pilla's the real West Virginia woman. I don't know where the, yeah, roof.

6:38

Anyway, so county deputies show up and Dennis told them of his suspicions because he's not wet.

6:43

Dennis isn't wet at all and he claims to have been into the creek up to his chest.

6:47

So by the next day, county authorities have already closed the case,

6:50

labeling it an accident, despite the fact that they don't have a body.

6:54

So Dennis is able to collect the life insurance and it has a double indemnity

6:58

clause, which you may or may not know means if she dies by accident,

7:02

he gets double the money. Which I think is bizarre That's a movie There's a double There's a movie called

7:07

Double Indemnity With Barbara Stanwyck And Fred McMurray Oh is that Was that a Hitchcock,

7:12

Double Indemnity, it was, right? Yes. Yes, it's Hitchcock. We never learn what the amount is.

7:16

I suspect it will sound underwhelming in current money, but remember, this is 1975.

7:22

So on his own time, Dan La Framboise, I think that means strawberries or in

7:28

French, framboise is raspberry. Raspberry, strawberry.

7:31

Framboise is one of those. Oh, look at you. Yeah. So in his own time,

7:34

Dan teams up with Leslie's parents to look for a body, and they never find one.

7:39

And Dan believes that this is a murder. they just can't

7:42

prove it i thought all the time it was something that it

7:45

wasn't right he wasn't telling the truth or he wasn't telling the

7:48

whole story so dennis collects under the circumstances back

7:51

to the back to the to the creek yeah under the

7:54

circumstances when the water is swollen when the

7:57

water is not swollen the the creek is only several inches

8:00

to a couple feet deep you can walk across most of the

8:03

way so during the fall season when the snow

8:06

and everything it is a rushing torrent it is

8:09

a you know it is rapids it is this so the the

8:12

the the concept is is that this that when

8:15

she fell in the water it whisked her away and washed her all the way down and

8:19

while believable it seemed a little suspect and later on when they bring him

8:24

back much later to explain it it doesn't make sense but he collects the life

8:29

insurance and literally moves on with his life life, and he moves to Dexter, Maine.

8:34

It's now August 1987, so this is 12 years later, and he has run a personal ad that reads thusly.

8:41

Construction worker, 37 years old, 5'7", 135 pounds, active outdoorsman,

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seeks compatible childless lady, 22, 35 years old, for lasting relationship.

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Relationship reply to advertiser box L35 Bangor.

8:59

Look at that. 26 year old Kathy Frost response to the ad.

9:02

Did you notice above Dennis's ad? There's one from an advertising saying,

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I will drive your car to Florida in September.

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Excellent driver's record. Mature man.

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That used to be a thing. It was. Within three weeks, Dennis proposes and a week later they are married.

9:19

I just can't. Can you believe it? it well well

9:23

it in my research it turns out that

9:25

kathy was pretty screwed up no no no listen

9:29

to you she was she just wanted to

9:31

be loved yeah she just wanted to be loved and so

9:35

she had low self-esteem and she was kind of a not what is it when you're like

9:39

like a downer debbie down kind of she was a debbie downer kind of a girl so

9:43

for her this was like oh yeah i can't believe it finally it's my So a week after

9:48

he proposes three weeks after they meet, they were married a week later.

9:52

The day after the marriage, he takes out a life insurance policy with a double

9:55

indemnity clause on her and he

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will get two hundred and fifty thousand dollars if she dies by accident.

10:01

And of course, she has no idea about the first wife, about the first wife.

10:07

In my research, she had no idea he had been married two times before.

10:13

Oh, he'd been married twice before? This is the third marriage.

10:15

Oh, so one of them got away. His first wife washed away in the creek.

10:21

His second wife divorced him. And it's not mentioned in this at all,

10:25

but he's got, I think, three kids floating around. Oh, wow. Yeah.

10:30

Father of the year. Three weeks after they're married. Now, this is just seven

10:33

weeks after they met. They're in Acadia National Park, which is on the coast

10:37

of Maine, and it has very high cliffs. And wouldn't you know it, she falls off of one.

10:42

So it's October 11th, 1987, and a call comes into the ranger station.

10:46

This is Boyd McFarland from the National Park Service.

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Received a call on the park radio.

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Report of a woman fallen off the cliffs. They called up our communications office who notified me.

11:00

So Dennis told McFarland that they were on the cliffs looking for otters.

11:04

Which, that doesn't make any sense. Well, no.

11:09

These murderers really think these things through. I'm going to get married,

11:12

and we're only going to be together a couple weeks, and I'm going to throw you off a cliff.

11:15

Jesus Christ. So I think the idea of otters in the water in itself.

11:19

Just shooting from the air. Really. So he said they're looking for otters. He heard a scream. He turned around, and she was gone.

11:25

So McFarlane can see her down below on the rocks, sprawled out.

11:29

First responders get there, but they are unable to revive her.

11:32

She's dead. So again, it's labeled an accident, but a phone call to Kathy's

11:36

mother, who looks like the very embodiment of a woman, of a down-east woman,

11:41

says there's no way her daughter would have been up there.

11:44

She is terrified of heights. And water!

11:47

I'm with you. Deep down in my heart, something was wrong. Something happened that wasn't natural.

11:53

Because she hated heights. Yes. And I know she wouldn't have been up there on that mountain.

11:58

She wouldn't have done it if she wasn't made to do it.

12:01

So Kathy's mom shares her concerns with the park rangers, not only about her

12:05

fear of heights and the insurance, but she has also learned that Dennis's first

12:09

wife had died accidentally as well. See, this is something I don't understand.

12:13

They know that there's, they are aware that there was another wife,

12:18

but they don't know that there's two former wives.

12:21

Nobody knows that apparently. but somehow there's rumors

12:25

that his first wife died how would

12:28

he have told how did they get there what who he told

12:31

he babbled he told us something it must have come from him right so the main

12:35

state police are brought in and detective jeff harman takes the case and he

12:39

speaks with kathy's mom and he and another detective come to the conclusion

12:43

that he not only killed his first wife but he has most likely killed his second

12:47

wife we think it's a second wife if it's actually his third.

12:49

Right, it's actually his third, but, you know, yeah. So they bring him in for an interview and they decide to put the heat on him.

12:55

There was some unusual bruising on Kathy's body that was not consistent with her fall.

12:59

So let's hear Dennis try to weasel out of this. It's pretty funny.

13:03

Yeah, there's marks there. Kathy didn't put those marks on herself. And nobody else, there's nobody else there but you and her.

13:11

And we discussed before. Hey, look, I know that those marks are there because I can see. That's right.

13:19

So, all I can do is theorize as to what happened because... The monarchs are there at dinner.

13:25

Yeah. They don't say the fall, right?

13:28

Why could she go like that? They're not caused by her. Oh, did you know?

13:32

They are not caused by her. So he's terrible at it. And it amazes me.

13:38

The human body amazes me in the sense that, so obviously there was a struggle.

13:43

He had her to the cliff. He was trying to push her over, and she struggled.

13:47

So he had to grip her strong enough to leave prints on her skin.

13:54

Right. So. The stuff they can glean from a body like that. really like

13:58

this is inconsistent and i'm like so imagine she's terrified

14:02

so this woman is terrified of heights and terrified of water

14:05

she's on a cliff side and she can

14:08

figure she just figured out her husband's trying to just to

14:11

get her there i bet you he had to battle with her just to get her all

14:13

the way up onto that cliff you know what i mean i don't think she would have been there willingly at

14:16

all well he told the story i think he's told it different ways

14:19

but they got there and they they were going there to

14:22

look for otters and then they went up different ways they

14:26

weren't like together and that's another thing

14:29

the mother was like absolutely not she wasn't a

14:31

hiker she wouldn't have done any of these things she was

14:34

a little heavy she wouldn't have done that he thought he was just going to

14:37

shoot from there and get away with this well obviously these people

14:40

they got away with it the other time away with it yeah actually he

14:43

would have gotten away with the first time stop free yeah

14:47

if he hadn't done this if he hadn't done it again i almost

14:50

think of this he's not too different from being a serial killer

14:53

you know what i mean except he is doing it

14:56

for the money instead of the thrill of killing but if

14:59

there was any doubt about where detective harman is from we hear

15:01

it in his audio and he has a dyed in the wool native of.

15:04

Maine so harman isn't letting up and dennis keeps

15:07

saying you know i don't know why those bruises are there but he eventually realizes

15:11

that the detective isn't going to back down so he comes up with this scenario

15:16

and this is where they've got him there was a dramatic change in the story from

15:20

started out being purely an accident to the being an argument to there being

15:25

an argument with a physical confrontation. Guess we went down by the cliff and she says i don't love you anyway and gave

15:32

me a push and just being off enough to where i gave her a push we weren't all

15:38

that close to the cliff but, Pushed her hard enough to where she stumbled backwards and went off and scraped her belly.

15:45

So now she hasn't fallen. He has actually pushed her.

15:51

It's so amazing. It's so amazing to me, all these real-life interviews.

15:56

And it's like, no, I was never there. Well, I kind of went there. What do you mean you kind of went?

16:01

Well, I went at 1 o'clock, but I was only there for like a minute.

16:03

Oh, but then you were there for 45 minutes. Well, okay.

16:06

Yeah, it was 45 minutes. And it's just like, if you're innocent,

16:11

if you're guilty, the second you tell one lie, it's done. You're done.

16:16

He's no good at this. And she's fallen. He actually pushed her.

16:20

At this point, he jumps around a bit, but he's arrested for insurance fraud.

16:24

While the detectives work on getting him extradited back to Maine,

16:27

at some point he has left Maine. The following year, Dennis tells the same story to a judge in Maine.

16:32

That picture of the courtroom looked like it was straight out of Murder,

16:35

She Wrote. Did you see how quaint it was? It was all oak, all the furniture was oak. And there were doilies on the backs of the chairs.

16:41

Yeah. So as we know, it's a bench trial because there's no jury.

16:45

It's just the judge, and she gives him 50 years.

16:48

That's not enough for Kathy's mom. Good. I wanted a good life.

16:52

I was kind of disappointed the judge gave him 50 years, but it's better than 20.

16:58

So he's locked up and sent to Maine's Holliston State Prison.

17:03

Now, I looked up Holliston State Prison, and we'll talk about it once we're done here. Yeah.

17:07

We now see him giving testimony in the year 2000, which is 15 years after all this went down. Right.

17:13

13. And he's describing what happened with his first wife, how he pushed her

17:18

into the creek, and she got tangled up in a tree, and she drowned right there.

17:23

I don't know why he's doing this. Maybe if you found anything out about why

17:26

he— I have some possible, yes. I found a spot along the creek that there was a large tree that had fallen down into the creek,

17:35

creek and the water was riding up creek and i pushed her in

17:38

at that point and she got tangled up in the in the

17:41

limbs it could come up for air because the stream was was rushing

17:44

by too quick and she drowned right there three months

17:48

after this testimony he is in that prison in

17:51

maine holliston dennis's body is found at the bottom of the quarry at the prison

17:56

i i guess the prisoners are pounding rocks like old school we're gonna yeah

17:59

i think i think it's old school hard hard hard labor right so it's by a rock

18:03

quarry so they're they're they're mining rock that's what they're doing yeah

18:07

he has a clothespin on his nose. And duct tape wrapped around his mouth with the word Geronimo written on it.

18:14

And they label it a suicide. You know, the other prisoners killed him. You know, somebody killed him.

18:20

Well, the first. You don't commit suicide like that. I agree.

18:26

The first time I read, the first time I heard that, I was like,

18:28

somebody killed him. Yeah. But there are witnesses saying that he did it himself.

18:33

He climbed up on a table and jumped out the window. Those are witnesses trying

18:36

to keep the other guys from getting in trouble. Right because it was from a craft yeah they're

18:41

covering up the crime they were in a craft room that had

18:43

an open window that went over the it was it was the

18:47

quarry that they turned into a baseball field which is even hilarious yeah if

18:51

you think about it like you know so he fell out of the building and there's

18:54

nothing but hard rock down there he was killed the witnesses saw somebody they

19:00

were in on it they wanted him dead he killed two women so that holliston state

19:04

prison they They closed it in 2004. They bulldozed the building, and they just shoved it into the quarry.

19:10

And then they put grass over it. It's a state park now. Well, that's nice.

19:13

The pictures of that jail penitentiary, terrifying.

19:18

Old school bars. The toilet is stainless steel.

19:22

There is a stool that's bolted to the side of the wall, and then there are two stainless steel bunks.

19:28

And they were about five and a half. I don't think I could do it.

19:30

I don't think I could go to prison. No, it was like, it was kind of known for

19:33

its inhumane conditions. Well, also it's in fucking May.

19:36

Oh, it was apparently freezing in winter. It's like, what was it,

19:39

Shawshank? Yeah. No, it made Shawshank look pretty good.

19:43

And so, so yeah, again, if he, he would have gotten away with the first one.

19:48

He got greedy and tried doing it again. Right, right, right.

19:51

So, uh, you've got a couple of things. I've got to touch the table.

19:54

I'm being very careful. I'm being very careful. I've got to touch the table.

19:58

It's very difficult for you because you'd like to gesticulate.

20:00

I'm well part Italian. That sounds rude.

20:04

So he was already serving the 50 year sentence in Maine for murdering his third wife.

20:10

And then he was charged with killing his first wife from the 25 years before.

20:16

So he is accused of murdering.

20:20

So he was serving his 50 year sentence in Maine when they charged him with the

20:26

killing of his first wife from the 25 years before.

20:29

Right. He committed suicide in prison in 2000 because he was worried that after

20:37

he finished serving his sentence in Maine,

20:40

they would extradite him to Montana to serve the time all over again in the other state.

20:48

I don't believe it. Well, that's what they're saying, but he was killed.

20:53

Because apparently there was a note and blah, blah, blah. But that's part of the thing. So this murder-like suicide was,

20:59

whether it was forced or not, well, the rumor was that he didn't want to go to Montana.

21:03

He wouldn't be extradited to Montana. Well, nobody wants to go to Montana.

21:06

Why? Go to Montana to visit. Go to Montana. Apparently there's really good steak there.

21:12

Yeah, there is. Okay, so now this is unconfirmed, and I could not find anything else about it.

21:18

According to a report published in the Great Falls Tribune, a couple renovating

21:23

a building in Great Falls, Montana, that was formerly owned by Larson,

21:26

recently found bones underneath a bathroom floor.

21:30

The bones have been sent to the Montana State Crime Lab to determine if they

21:35

are human or, you know, to try to identify them.

21:38

Oh, is it possible that's Leslie? Well, I guess because he'd already served

21:43

his time or he was in jail and he was dead and whatever, they didn't bother

21:47

because I could not find anything. I could not find if they identified those bones.

21:51

But I did find out that the area that this bathroom was in was a garage and

21:58

it had a dirt floor underneath. So the dirt floor where the bones were and then there was...

22:04

You know what he could have done? he could have killed her at the house hidden

22:07

her body there gone down to the creek and then come up she may never

22:10

even been there correct because you remember what's his face said

22:13

there was only one set of track right no yeah he's like he would have had to

22:16

have carried her down and carried her back right so i bet you he just killed

22:19

her there and put her under the house possibly and it just took all that time

22:23

for them to find it and because when the house was remodeled they found yeah

22:26

so but there i could not find any information on whether the bones had ever

22:30

been identified Yeah, that's a shame either.

22:32

It doesn't change anything, you know, you know, he killed her.

22:35

Boy, that's a, that's something though. Insurance is a, is a weird, is a weird thing.

22:39

I'm glad we have it. I have a coworker and I meet with her on Google. She is in Montana.

22:45

I'm my, our little group of three editors. We have a weekly meeting and I'm here in Washington.

22:50

She's in Montana. And the other one is in Portland, Oregon. And we get on and

22:54

I'm like to the miracle of Google. We're connected across, you know, three time zones is the craziest thing.

23:00

I guess because he looked like he had a clean record, no one thought that he

23:05

was, you know, the question of whether he was murdered.

23:08

But he did have a felony theft in Montana, a prior record for that,

23:14

that had carried a suspended sentence.

23:16

So everybody thought he was a law-abiding citizen and all this,

23:20

but he did have a suspended sentence for a felony theft. That's not so bad.

23:24

That's not really an indicator of a homicidal maniac.

23:28

That's true. So if I understand this correctly, the day after they were wed.

23:34

In Maine. In Maine. They met with the Allstate Insurance at Sears in Banger

23:39

Mall. Sears again. I know, yeah. Sears was all purpose. They purchased a combined universal life insurance policy

23:46

of $300,000 coverage on him and $200,000 on her with a double indemnity for accidental death.

23:52

So he would have gotten $400,000. Correct. So they named each other the primary

23:56

beneficiaries and prepaid the policies for two months.

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That's fishy as fuck. Fuck, two months. I'm only going to insure you for two

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months because I'm pretty sure something's going to happen to you.

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And I guess one of the things. Does that make any sense?

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Well, you know. So the other thing is, is that he contacted the insurance agent

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to reduce the face amounts of the policy and set up a meeting for Monday,

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October 12th to meet and discuss the changes.

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So I don't know whether he's like, well, we're banking on this and then we're

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going to do this. I don't understand.

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He reduced the, before he killed her, he reduced the coverage?

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I think before he killed her, he called her and made arrangements to come in

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and talk about reducing the rates. You know what that was?

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He's setting a kind of a believable, like, I was going in to reduce the rates

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on her. Right, right, right. And then she fell. So that's all that was. It was a smokescreen.

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Right. So we're not buying it, Dennis. So the other thing is,

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at the cliffs, they went up initially on a Saturday, but according to him,

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it was too crowded and they decided to return the next day. Too many witnesses.

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Too many witnesses. And the next day, and that night at work,

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Kathy had told a friend she was depressed about her marriage and that it was

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at least better than being alone. She also told her that the friend that she planned to return to the park with Larson on Sunday.

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Yeah. He didn't want witnesses. Right. That's why it was too crowded.

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That's kind of like dating reminds me why it's preferable to die single.

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What you shared was with. It was very funny. So a friend of his testified that

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the defendant, some nine years earlier in conversation with him,

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had outlined a scheme of marrying foreign women,

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purchasing life insurance on them, arranging their death, and collecting the

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proceeds for the insurance. How many times do we hear about these? I can't believe you tell people.

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The guy who killed his wife and he cut off her head and he put her bodies down

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the wells in Tennessee. see? And he's like, he told a friend of his exactly what he would do to his wife

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if she ever tried to leave him, and that's exactly what he did. Yeah.

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So this guy's another one. These, these, these killers, they tell people what

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they're, they tell a friend, they tell a confidant, you know,

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I'm going to do this. And then boom. I already said that her Frost's family said she is not outdoorsy.

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She was extremely desperate, lonely individual who was unable to get a man.

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She didn't like to swim. She didn't like the outdoors.

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She didn't like any of this stuff. So the fact that she met a guy who said he

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was an outdoorsman and they got married that quickly. Yeah. It's pretty interesting.

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Okay. Okay, so the paperwork that came through said that he was divorced from

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his first wife, which was actually his second wife, and that he was paying child

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support for two children. So there are at least two children, but I thought the first woman had a baby.

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So I think- He might not be responsible for that. Right, right, right.

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Larson had a four-month-old child when his first wife died in the Creek accident.

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So that's three kids. Yeah. So it's just one of those things in terms of- I

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don't think he cared. I don't think he was probably a very good father.

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I'm just going out on a limb. Now, this one didn't make any sense to me,

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and there was no other information on this. Shortly after the memorial service for his first wife, he was admitted to the

27:10

hospital for an undisclosed reason. When he was released from the hospital, he was going to fly to Montana,

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and he was stopped and searched. He had sealed boxes that were detonated in

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case of explosives, but only had tools and clothes in them.

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That's fucking weird. They found six and a half sticks of dynamite in his garage.

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That's weird. Exactly. And that's the only mention of it. I couldn't find it

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anyplace else. That's weird. So I would think that would lead me to believe that he was trying to destroy evidence.

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He was trying to take the dynamite to destroy evidence.

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So who knows? I don't know. Well, that's the twisted tale of a guy using life

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insurance to pad his life. I don't know. Oh, I had something about the first wife. The first wife that died,

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the life insurance was only $20,000. Oh, okay. So the first wife, he killed her for $20,000. Unbelievable.

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Well, anyway, that's the tale.

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