In this episode, I talk to Emil Pitkin, founder and CEO of GovPredict and researcher at the Wharton School @ UPenn. We talk about how the meat-space politics works - lobbyists, PACs, voting, and how information flows. As technologists, we often forget that it is about people caring and being engaged to get things to happen, but also to be fair. Emil and I explore what can be done in these times when politics seems to be the main thing on TV.