0:00

Alright, so Matt, I told Michael

0:02

today that I saw a deer on the way to work

0:05

this morning. And he's like, how

0:08

do you know it was on the way to work? Because

0:14

of the little briefcase it was carrying. It

0:16

had a tie in a briefcase.

0:23

It was good. Good

0:29

evening everybody

0:30

and welcome to the graveyard.

0:33

Thank you for joining us tonight.

0:34

My name is Adam. And my name's Matt.

0:37

Now, pull up a tombstone

0:40

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Tales. Alright,

0:53

everybody, here we are again. Matt,

0:55

how you doing tonight, brother? Hey, man, I'm alright.

0:57

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2:34

what are we talking about tonight, brother?

2:36

So tonight we're going to look at another

2:38

haunted hospital and this

2:41

one is in Tennessee, just

2:44

like the original haunted hospital

2:46

we did, the old South Pittsburgh

2:48

hospital. And there's

2:50

a lot of similarities there.

2:54

But this one is the old Harriman

2:57

hospital in Harriman, Tennessee, which

3:00

is a part, it's in

3:03

East Tennessee. It's

3:06

just this side of Knoxville. So

3:08

yeah, Rhone County. So

3:12

I've been up there, spent some time up that

3:14

way. But

3:17

this is, this

3:20

place is uniquely

3:22

active. And during

3:25

the research I heard one investigator

3:27

say this and I thought, man, he is so dead

3:29

on. He said, hospitals

3:31

are uniquely haunted.

3:35

And he's right because

3:37

it's never

3:39

just one thing. It's

3:43

always this odd conglomeration

3:47

of hauntings and

3:49

you get stone tape, you

3:52

get intelligent hauntings, you get

3:54

entities and you get

3:57

all of those things all jammed

3:59

into one. building. So

4:01

it's, it's like a playground

4:03

for a paranormal investigator. Well,

4:06

if you think about it, it's because

4:09

every aspect of life can

4:12

and does happen

4:14

at a hospital. That's right. Birth,

4:17

death, sadness, happiness,

4:19

pain, illness, recovery.

4:22

It all happens

4:24

at hospitals. So at one point in time or

4:26

another,

4:27

that paranormal sludge we talk about

4:30

in one way or another gets put on

4:32

the walls of that hospital. That's

4:34

exactly right. And so it just, it

4:37

lends itself to holding

4:39

on to an energy that would bring spirits

4:41

in or at least

4:47

hold them there for a period of time.

4:49

And you know, the, the Harriman

4:51

hospital is, is quite old and it

4:53

hasn't been a functioning hospital

4:55

in about 10 years. So it's been empty, but

5:03

hopefully we're going to see more come out of this place. But

5:06

you know, just like we

5:08

always say, you got to look at the history. You got

5:11

to look at where we started to see how we got to where we are.

5:14

So Adam, tell

5:17

us a little bit about the old Harriman hospital. All

5:19

right. So as we always say, go check

5:21

our sources down at the bottom of the show notes. You

5:24

can find where we found the information and

5:26

you can keep researching it if

5:29

you're so inclined.

5:30

This hospital is located at 401 note,

5:34

401 North Rhone street

5:36

in Harriman, Tennessee, in Rhone County.

5:39

Now the first ever open

5:42

house at Harriman general hospital was July

5:44

23rd, And

5:48

it had over a thousand guests

5:50

in attendance. It's a

5:52

large two story brick building and

5:54

aligning the downstairs hall are the offices,

5:58

emergency room, doctors, lounge, doctors

6:01

lounging quarters and bath

6:04

and utility rooms and together with the dining

6:06

room, nurses showers and the superintendent's

6:08

quarters, it makes up this hole downstairs

6:12

and on the right end of the building upstairs

6:15

is the surgical department

6:17

with minor and major operating

6:19

rooms with adjoining rooms for surgical and

6:21

linen sterilization

6:23

and patients rooms were also located

6:25

on the second floor. So you've

6:28

got all the administration stuff downstairs,

6:30

you've got the OR

6:33

up top, the couple

6:35

OR is up top and then the patient

6:38

rooms up top as well. So

6:40

as we talk about hauntings and

6:42

their locations keep that in mind.

6:45

Now as the community around the hospital began to grow

6:47

they realized that they needed to expand the

6:49

hospital. You know you

6:52

got a growing town, your hospital

6:54

needs to grow with it to be able to accommodate

6:58

the sick and injured. So

7:01

just a couple years after they built it they

7:03

began to add on to the hospital. They

7:06

added a new surgical wing complete

7:08

with x-ray, surgical lounge and

7:10

sterilization rooms and offices.

7:13

Now they a little interesting tidbit

7:16

that you may not know. Matt

7:19

you probably know this but listening

7:21

at home you may not know. They added green

7:24

tiles to the operating room and the reason

7:26

they did that was to help the surgeons

7:29

gain what they call a few vital

7:31

seconds as their eyes adjust when they

7:33

look away from the patient to the walls. So

7:36

if it were bright white it

7:38

would take longer for their eyes to adjust.

7:41

So if you think about

7:43

like I'm looking into a light right

7:45

now I've got a light in front of me so that you can

7:47

see my beautiful face. Well if

7:49

I'm looking at it and then I go to look down

7:52

at the map that's on my desk

7:54

it takes a second for my eyes to adjust to be

7:56

able to see the darker map. It's

7:58

the same way

8:00

If you were

8:02

performing surgery if you were looking up

8:04

say at the other surgeon

8:06

there or the nurse your eyes

8:08

will be flooding. With light

8:11

from the bright white walls and

8:13

then you would look down and it would take

8:15

a minute for your eyes to adjust

8:18

to keep. Performing the surgery

8:21

if it's darker there's not going to be that reflection

8:24

so you won't have that adjustment time

8:26

and the theory is that it will save

8:29

you some seconds and hopefully

8:31

get the patient off the table quicker.

8:34

Well the hospital began at two hundred

8:37

seventy five linear feet to

8:39

stretching a whole city block by

8:41

the seventies. So that

8:43

is big growth. For

8:45

from the forties basically

8:48

nineteen thirty nine to the seventies

8:51

it grew from two hundred seventy five

8:53

feet to a whole city block. It

8:56

grew not only in size but technology

8:59

also became apparent at the hospital newly added

9:01

I see you maternity ward and day surgery

9:03

allowed for the hospital to diagnose and treat

9:06

more illnesses accurately and correctly.

9:09

Now.

9:11

This is from the old historic

9:13

herriman hospital documents it talks about the

9:15

land the hospital was built on.

9:18

And Matt I have talked

9:21

many times about

9:23

the land playing

9:25

a big role in

9:28

a building haunted status

9:31

and we even talked with scott

9:33

forest on our live show about that. So

9:36

it's important to look at the land when we

9:38

can get information about the land. To

9:42

know maybe what happened

9:44

there before that might be contributing to some of

9:46

the hauntings so situated

9:48

at the junction of tennessee clench and

9:50

emory rivers a location vital

9:53

to both. White settlers and native

9:55

americans in the early years of tennessee

9:57

state history and settlers

9:59

gang. control of the area through

10:01

three treaties with the Cherokee

10:04

Indians and later the Hiwase

10:06

Purchase. Harriman was founded

10:09

as a temperance town in 1889

10:12

by temperance movement activists

10:14

led by New York-born minister and

10:16

plant manager Frederick Gates. Seeking

10:19

a land venture that could attract industrial

10:21

and economic development while avoiding the vice-driven

10:24

pitfalls of late 19th century company

10:27

towns, Gates and fellow

10:29

prohibitionists chartered the East

10:31

Tennessee Land Company in May 1889. The

10:35

property the hospital is situated on once

10:37

was home to Cumberland Hotel

10:40

which burned having casualties, First

10:43

National Bank, Pitton Hotel, Tennessee

10:46

Land and Trust which went bankrupt, a

10:48

general store and attorney office, Roller

10:51

Rink which was later torn down for the hospital

10:54

expansion and Harriman has

10:56

had its share of tragedies with mass

10:58

building fires, floods and tornadoes

11:01

and even at one point went completely

11:04

bankrupt. The whole town.

11:06

You all know what temperance towns

11:09

were right?

11:11

All the people that

11:13

hated all the vices

11:16

that were common vices would

11:19

gather up and make

11:21

a

11:23

town where none of that happened

11:26

and they made a movie version of this it was called Footloose.

11:30

Footloose, Footloose,

11:33

we're bound to be pet goose.

11:37

Yeah

11:42

so I mean you know they they're

11:44

all pent up anyway.

11:48

No you know it Harriman's

11:51

a pretty cool pretty cool little town. Now

11:54

and then. Yeah but back then you know

11:56

it was

11:57

you know it was tough. I wouldn't want to live there in 1889.

12:00

I don't know how much of it,

12:03

how much of the early history of the town plays

12:07

into the hauntings there, but there's got

12:09

to be some connection. Probably

12:12

even further back because of the

12:14

Native American population that was there. Yep.

12:18

Yep. Sure. All of

12:20

those things work together to not...

12:23

And we've talked about this before. You

12:26

have a major haunted location in

12:28

a small town and if you look closely,

12:30

you find other haunted

12:33

locations almost to the point that you

12:35

begin to think, man, this whole dug up town's

12:38

haunted. And

12:40

we've seen that before. Yep.

12:42

And the Carolinas. Oh

12:44

yeah. Yeah. Nevada, Tonopah. Yeah,

12:47

that too. And the whole

12:49

dug up town. He's got something going

12:51

on.

12:52

Yep. Jefferson, Texas. That whole

12:54

place has something going on. There's

12:58

got to be something with the land. Let's

13:00

look at Harriman, Tennessee for a second

13:03

before Matt talks about the hauntings.

13:06

Now Harriman is named for Walter

13:08

Harriman, a governor of New Hampshire whose

13:10

son Walter C. Harriman was

13:13

managing director of the East Tennessee

13:15

Land Company. As a colonel, then

13:17

later a general in the Union Army during

13:20

the Civil War, he had traveled on

13:23

foot through the area with his 11th New

13:25

Hampshire regiment and camped for

13:27

several days on the Emery River near the future

13:29

side of the city. An elderly local

13:32

later told the directors that Harriman had

13:34

said that the site would be the perfect

13:36

place for a town. And based on

13:39

this conversation, the directors chose

13:41

the name of Harriman.

13:43

So very good.

13:45

Hopefully one day we have

13:47

an Adam. We've already got a Ballinger, Texas.

13:49

Let's have an Adam, Texas, because I go, hey, that's a good

13:51

place for a town. That's right. I'm

13:54

just going to start saying that in random places that

13:56

I go and see if anybody names a

13:58

town after me. The

14:00

site of Harriman was chosen primarily

14:03

for its proximity to Emory Gap, where

14:05

the Cincinnati Southern Railway

14:08

joined the East Tennessee, Virginia, and Georgia

14:11

Railway. The city, platted

14:13

on Christmas Day in 1889,

14:17

was laid out in a grid pattern that

14:19

conformed to the Emory's oxbow

14:21

bend at the base of Walden Ridge.

14:24

The block bounded by Rohn, Walden,

14:27

Morgan, and Clinton streets were

14:29

set aside for the city's public buildings.

14:31

The block is now the location of the City Hall,

14:34

Library, and Fire Department. Lots

14:36

in the heights around Cumberland and Clinton

14:38

streets, now cornstalk heights,

14:41

was substantially larger as

14:43

it was expected that the city's wealthy

14:46

and professional class residents would buy

14:48

homes here. The areas along

14:50

the river, Emory Street, were

14:52

for mills and residential areas for

14:55

skilled laborers. The

14:57

initial land auction for Harriman was

14:59

held in the late February of 1890

15:01

and was attended

15:03

by over 4,000 prospective

15:05

buyers from across the nation. Several

15:08

hundred lots were sold, raising over $600,000. The

15:12

most expensive lots were along Rohn Street

15:14

and in what is now cornstalk heights, most

15:17

of which sold for over $2,000

15:20

apiece, while the lots closer

15:22

to the river typically sold for less than $500 apiece.

15:25

Now that would be different. Anything

15:29

near water is going to be more.

15:31

If

15:34

their septic tank overflowed into

15:36

your yard, your property value is going up. It's

15:41

near water. That's the way

15:43

it is down here. I'm sure it is most everywhere

15:45

else, but in Tennessee for sure,

15:48

you get some property that's adjacent

15:51

to some water no matter what

15:53

it is. It goes

15:55

way up.

15:56

Yeah, it could be a puddle of duck piss and

15:58

they're going to go, oh, well, there's it. You

16:00

got body of water there. That's an extra

16:02

hundred grand. Mop that up before

16:04

the tax assessor comes by. Yeah, no joke.

16:07

Your dog's drooling too much in the backyard.

16:09

You're gonna mop that up.

16:12

Shortly after the initial auction, the company

16:14

planted several more lots outside the

16:16

city in what is now Walnut Hills and

16:18

Oakview neighborhoods for the city's wage workers.

16:21

Roan County has been benefiting

16:24

from the reopening of the hospital here lately. Because

16:28

it sat deserted for about 10 years,

16:30

as Matt was alluding to, before

16:33

paranormal investigator Ronnie D

16:36

gave it new life as a tourist destination. So

16:39

it's become popular with ghost hunting groups and

16:41

tourists lately. And it opened

16:44

again in March of 2022. And

16:47

since then, a 200-person

16:49

film crew filmed a prominent motion picture

16:51

there. And PBS filmed

16:53

a documentary, Travel Channel's

16:55

Destination Fear filmed an episode there.

16:58

And all of these have produced some good

17:00

revenue for the city of Harriman, which is pretty

17:02

cool. It is pretty cool.

17:05

And they saved

17:07

a historical building for one by

17:10

doing this. And not only have

17:12

they saved it, they have

17:16

utilized it to bring in revenue into

17:18

the city. That's fantastic.

17:22

I mean, like I said,

17:24

it is a playground for paranormal

17:26

investigators.

17:29

So let's look at what's going on.

17:32

Now, I found it interesting. As

17:34

Adam said, it was March

17:36

of 2022 when they started this venture.

17:42

So there have been several

17:45

groups that have gone up there and investigated. And

17:50

I'll go into how you can do that and how,

17:53

if you've got an organization that wants to go up there

17:55

and do an investigation, how you can

17:57

do that.

17:59

I

18:01

told Adam, nobody's

18:04

had time to write any of this stuff down. Okay.

18:07

I mean, you know, when we, when

18:10

we research really

18:12

old haunted places, old hotels,

18:16

castles, you know, something that's,

18:18

that's been around for a really long

18:20

time, there's

18:23

a lot of people that have written articles

18:25

about it that have visited there. Um,

18:28

there, there's a lot of written word about

18:30

what happens there. Not so

18:33

with this, not yet. And

18:35

it's certainly not because things aren't

18:37

going on. It's just, there haven't

18:39

been an, there hasn't been enough time. You

18:42

don't walk into an active hospital

18:44

and go, uh, we're gonna,

18:46

we're gonna do a ghost hunt here. Right. What?

18:50

Get the hell out of here. You know, you're

18:53

going to get, you're going to get run over by a gurney

18:55

is what's going to happen. In a patient's

18:58

room with beeping devices. So,

19:00

so you, you don't do that. And

19:02

so when the hospital closed in 2013 and it was over,

19:05

it just sat empty. It

19:11

just sat empty with all

19:13

that energy. And

19:15

so, you know, almost 10 years later, you

19:18

know, they open it up, they begin to do

19:20

a little restoration, put fresh coats

19:22

of paint on things and, and, and

19:25

really set it up for their guests who

19:27

are coming in there to,

19:29

to, to

19:31

hunt ghosts. I mean, that's what's happening. It

19:35

is one of the most active locations

19:38

in, uh, in Harriman. Um,

19:42

and I say that because as I mentioned at the

19:44

top of the show, there are other

19:47

haunted locations in Harriman. It's

19:49

not just the hospital. So,

19:52

but the hospital is by far the most

19:54

active. Um, and

19:57

the most active areas within the hospital.

20:00

was an area known as A3. Now,

20:03

A3 served as the ICU

20:06

and the cardiac care unit. Now

20:10

sometime in the 1970s,

20:12

this area had a legendary nurse

20:15

named Joanna. When

20:17

Joanna worked there, she worked

20:19

long hours, but she was dedicated

20:22

to the hospital. She even called

20:24

it her second home. A

20:26

sudden heart attack took

20:28

her life at an early age and

20:31

she promised her coworkers after

20:34

death, she would come back and

20:36

pay visits to

20:38

her beloved second home. But

20:42

even after death, there are

20:44

reports of Joanna still

20:47

making her rounds and overseeing patients.

20:51

The sight of a nurse standing

20:54

down one of the hallways is

20:56

very, very common.

20:58

Now in the early 90s,

21:01

Harriman Hospital got a new addition and

21:04

it was a four-story addition that

21:06

gave the hospital

21:09

kind of a rebirth. A

21:11

new emergency ward was built. They

21:13

had state-of-the-art operating rooms and

21:17

the patient rooms on the third

21:19

floor and later the ICU and

21:21

the step-down unit on the fourth floor

21:24

opened up.

21:25

But it was not long after the opening of this addition

21:28

that people started noticing

21:31

some odd things, including

21:34

figures standing in the windows and hallways,

21:37

kids seen walking around the area

21:40

and even items moving with no

21:42

one present. So there

21:45

were stories of paranormal

21:48

activity before the hospital

21:50

actually closed. We

21:53

see that kind of often in hospitals.

21:56

We've seen that too, oddball

21:58

things.

21:59

Um, you know,

22:02

weird shadows and people

22:04

seeing things. So, um,

22:07

it's, it's not out of the question. Boy, you get

22:09

all the patients and the employees out of a place

22:12

and then it really perks up. Yeah.

22:14

Now,

22:16

Christie, uh, who

22:18

was a volunteer at the old Harriman

22:20

hospital reports that

22:23

she and another worker were alone in

22:25

the building painting in one of the

22:27

rooms. Suddenly they

22:29

heard a loud scream and

22:32

Christie reports that the voice they heard

22:34

was obviously male and

22:37

it sounded like the person was in extreme

22:39

pain. She

22:41

says the scream lasted about 20

22:44

seconds. Wow. That's

22:46

a long time for a funny thing is remember I

22:49

told you that there isn't a lot of written

22:52

accounts. They're all on

22:54

video. So to research

22:57

the old Harriman hospital, I, I

22:59

watched people's paranormal

23:02

videos, their, their ghost hunts,

23:04

their, their investigations. I

23:07

watched a bunch. Okay. Funny

23:10

thing was is I saw Christie tell this story

23:12

at least twice on two different

23:15

people's videos about this screen.

23:18

And she goes on to

23:20

explain that she at that time had been

23:22

a paranormal investigator for about 10 years.

23:26

And that freaked her out. Yeah.

23:29

I mean, that would get to anybody. I mean, the, the, just

23:31

the scream itself is

23:33

enough, but you know,

23:36

a 20 second scream that, I mean,

23:39

you know, the, the, even

23:42

if you knew it was coming from somebody kind of like,

23:44

Hey, quit. That's terrible.

23:47

I hate it.

23:48

Well, and you know, she said

23:50

it sounded like someone was in pain. There's

23:53

a huge difference in a pain

23:56

scream and like an anger

23:58

scream. Yeah,

24:01

I fear scream. Yeah. Yeah, I think

24:03

a fear or anger scream would be

24:05

a lot easier to deal with Than

24:08

a pain scream because there's something about a pain

24:10

scream that I

24:12

think hits your just

24:15

human evolutionary senses and It

24:18

makes you go. Oh, no, and

24:20

it starts tripping you out Yeah,

24:23

and especially if you you don't

24:25

see anybody and you hear this pain

24:27

scream

24:28

you're

24:29

Subconsciously, you know that someone

24:33

in pain and it starts messing with you

24:35

Yeah, and they and Christie

24:37

says they were they were definitely

24:40

alone just her and this one other worker

24:43

But Christie says on another occasion

24:46

Her and her friend were standing in a new section

24:48

that was preparing to open When

24:51

they witnessed a woman dressed as a nurse

24:54

Walk out of one doorway across

24:57

the hall into another door

25:00

Said she goes on to say that this happened at

25:02

about 4 30 in the afternoon and it was

25:05

daylight So

25:08

I'm not what you would expect but

25:11

but that just tells you look they

25:13

they weren't tired it wasn't dark Yeah,

25:16

you know they saw what they saw and

25:19

they they described it as it It

25:22

was a real person it looked

25:24

like a real person Yeah,

25:27

but of course when they went down there, no one was there.

25:29

Sure But both Christie

25:32

and her friends saw it and after

25:34

discussing it They realized

25:36

that they had definitely seen the same thing

25:39

Huh, which always adds some

25:42

validity to it. You know, I always tell

25:44

the story about a former

25:46

house of mine and Seeing

25:50

an image of a of a little girl

25:52

and She

25:54

would walk down the hall To

25:57

our yellow dress, you know,

25:59

I saw her

25:59

routinely

26:01

in this house. And

26:03

after a few years, I

26:06

finally asked my ex-wife, I said, I don't

26:10

want to scare you, but do

26:12

you ever see anything out in the hallway?

26:14

And I mean, she just turned pale.

26:18

And she was like, yes. And

26:21

I went through, I said, what are you seeing? She was

26:24

like a little girl. And I was like, what's she

26:26

wearing? And she's like a dress. And I was like,

26:28

and what color is it? She says

26:30

yellow. And

26:33

that was my confirmation. She was scared. I

26:35

was excited. Yeah. I

26:38

was like, here, I've been seeing this little girl

26:40

in my house for two years. Yeah.

26:43

Finally confirmation. Here's some confirmation.

26:46

Yeah. That

26:48

it's there. In

26:51

a conversation with my oldest daughter,

26:54

well, my next oldest daughter, she

26:59

said, yeah, she'd seen it too. And

27:03

never brought it up. Yeah. But

27:06

for years, I've seen this little

27:09

girl and described it to me

27:11

years later.

27:12

Wow.

27:14

So it's really,

27:17

it's one of those things when you see

27:20

something like this, you

27:23

tend to get inside your head. And

27:26

for those of y'all that are listening that have ever

27:28

had a real paranormal

27:30

experience and seen something, not

27:33

just felt it or heard it, but actually saw

27:36

it, you get in your

27:38

head and you begin to think, I did not really

27:40

see that. This is my mind playing

27:42

tricks on me. And even if you're someone

27:45

like me or Adam and you really

27:47

want to see it.

27:49

And in fact, I think people like

27:52

us, Adam,

27:54

we're more skeptical when

27:57

something like that happens because we don't

27:59

want to be wrong. We don't want to get

28:01

our hopes up or get overly excited about

28:03

something we think we witness and

28:06

it not be real Yep,

28:08

and I think that has kept me from

28:13

Being more Open

28:15

about things that have happened. Mm-hmm because

28:17

I'm like, I don't want to oh I

28:20

saw this I whatever and somebody's

28:22

like what you're supposed

28:24

to be a researcher of this Why

28:26

are you saying that it was it

28:29

was simply a trick

28:31

of the light or whatever, you

28:33

know So I don't say as

28:35

much but on the note of getting

28:37

confirmation if you remember my

28:39

old house there in Tennessee We

28:42

had that spirit that would walk across

28:44

the hall. I Didn't

28:47

say anything to Ashley about

28:49

it and One

28:52

of the first nights that she was there at the house

28:55

She said the next morning that she couldn't

28:58

sleep because she saw someone walk across

29:00

the hall and I'm like, oh, yeah

29:02

I didn't tell you because I didn't want to freak you out. But that's just

29:05

the the ghost that whatever

29:07

so we ended up naming it but

29:09

I Realized that when she

29:11

saw it too. It wasn't just me

29:14

that was Maybe

29:17

a light from outside was

29:19

causing me to see something

29:23

That wasn't there, you know, I didn't want

29:25

to bring it up and just start talking about it when You

29:28

know, maybe it's nothing and she's like, oh,

29:30

well you you research this so obviously

29:32

you want to see something

29:34

Right, and I think you you

29:37

run that risk of fooling

29:40

yourself into believing it but

29:42

when when somebody else tells

29:44

you they have seen the same thing and They

29:47

can identify it and you you're doing

29:49

your best Not to let on

29:52

anything to tip them all for a

29:54

sway what they're gonna tell you It

29:57

it makes it honest. It makes you feel better. I

29:59

mean

29:59

It did me. It didn't me

30:02

because I had seen and and of course, you know, I

30:04

grew up With this kind of stuff.

30:06

So seeing it it it

30:09

intrigued me But I

30:11

didn't want to believe it for so long I thought I'm

30:13

just this is just my head playing

30:15

tricks on me and to learn that it wasn't

30:19

That was a relief, you

30:21

know more than anything and I

30:24

know it was for for these guys that

30:26

have come in there and and and

30:28

helped work on the old Harriman Hospital

30:32

because they've all had experiences but now

30:36

they've got some people that have also had the

30:38

same experience that they can share and and You

30:42

have some solidarity there. We're

30:45

not just built in the public out of money

30:48

you know, we're not just you know

30:50

trying to

30:52

To create a tourist trap

30:55

and and convince everybody that something's

30:57

going on that's not your

31:00

Just say Ali I can't believe

31:02

this is actually happening and we can all

31:04

confirm it now

31:07

there's another volunteer who

31:09

I saw an interview with her

31:11

name was Devin and Devin

31:14

reports having seen what appears

31:16

to be an orderly at the

31:18

end of the hallway on the second floor and

31:22

She says they have seen this spirit multiple

31:24

times and that they always run

31:26

and try to get closer But they never

31:29

quite make it Hmm now

31:31

this area she's referring to is the old

31:33

Jerry psych unit and It's

31:37

it's a dead end The the

31:39

only way out is a large emergency

31:41

exit door. Yeah, and it doesn't

31:44

open So, you

31:46

know on a good emergency exit. Yeah, or they

31:48

would see it You know

31:50

and they're running down the hall after this, you

31:53

know, mail orderly that they see and he's

31:55

gone Yeah, you

31:57

know, he's not there but One

32:00

thing I took away from this was that both of

32:02

these accounts talk about the, the,

32:06

the apparition being much, much more

32:08

than just a, an ethereal

32:11

image. You know, it's, it's

32:13

solid enough that it could be mistaken

32:16

as a per for a person, for an actual

32:18

living person.

32:19

That's what I was about to say is

32:22

it seems like there are much

32:25

more occurrences of

32:28

solid apparitions here. Then

32:31

we've heard about in a lot of places, most

32:33

places you get wispy, you

32:36

get transparent, you get

32:38

a blob and some amorphous,

32:41

something that kind of looks like a human

32:45

kind of, but here it

32:47

sounds like they are solid

32:49

figures

32:51

of, this,

32:53

this is a person. So it's

32:56

almost like time

33:00

slip esque rather

33:03

than paranormal, where it's

33:05

like you're actually seeing into

33:08

another time of this person doing their

33:11

job.

33:12

Yeah. Like it's folded on top

33:14

of itself. Right. Right. And

33:16

that that's an interesting theory and, and

33:19

I've got one too. Um,

33:22

so, so, you know, somebody sees something at

33:24

their house

33:26

or, or, you know,

33:27

at an old battlefield

33:30

and it is that ethereal, misty

33:33

ghost like appearance. My,

33:38

my curiosity says if

33:40

that spirit had more energy to pull from, would

33:44

it look more solid? Yeah.

33:47

Probably. So if we're thinking it's

33:49

not a matter of, well, this spirit is just

33:52

that and this one is more solid.

33:54

This one is more, you know, a theory

33:56

you can barely make out of face. This one, you

33:59

can tell what they're.

33:59

wearing,

34:01

I've

34:04

always thought, well, if this very

34:06

gassy one had

34:09

more energy, would it look like the other

34:11

one? And in

34:13

the case of this hospital, with

34:16

all this energy stored up there, is it

34:20

able to produce these apparitions

34:23

with all that energy that appear

34:25

to be fully formed?

34:28

Yep, you could be right. Because

34:31

we know spirits like to drain

34:34

energy to be able to manifest. Well,

34:36

like you said, if they get more energy, maybe

34:40

it allows manifestation to

34:42

be more clearer or

34:45

like you said, more solid. And

34:48

yeah,

34:49

maybe

34:50

there's so much energy in this place

34:52

and the land in the hospital that they're

34:54

able to fully form

34:57

and be fully formed human-esque

35:01

things. Yeah, exactly.

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38:03

Devin goes on to say that the sounds of

38:05

footsteps has become a regular

38:08

event and it's the most common occurrence there

38:10

in the hospital. She says sometimes

38:12

they even sound as if they're running, much

38:15

like the staff would do when calling

38:17

a code. She says, so you hear

38:20

these fast footsteps

38:22

like these nurses are still on the floor

38:24

working.

38:26

She has also seen several shadow

38:28

figures moving about and

38:31

has seen an apparition of a nurse in

38:33

the cardiac ward.

38:35

Okay? So, here's another story

38:37

of an apparition of a nurse and

38:40

we had the story about the nurse

38:43

in the 70s named Joanna that

38:46

died from a heart attack. So,

38:48

is this the same spirit or we

38:50

got multiple nurses. There's more than one nurse

38:52

in the hospital. We got a whole

38:55

crew of them. But Devin

38:57

says the wildest experience she's

39:00

had occurred in the

39:02

area of the hospital that is called B2

39:04

and it is the oldest area

39:07

of the hospital that's open. Devin

39:10

says one night after an overnight

39:12

paranormal investigation, they

39:14

were making rounds to check

39:16

on everything. While walking

39:19

from B2 to B3, they

39:21

saw a shadow in a doorway on

39:23

their left. She says

39:25

as soon as they saw it, the

39:28

shadow sucked back into

39:30

the room with a very

39:32

unnatural movement. She

39:35

said it was like somebody was standing behind it

39:37

with a vacuum cleaner and just sucked it

39:39

back up.

39:40

Oh, that's weird. Yeah.

39:42

So she said it was the

39:44

combination of the shadow and

39:46

that odd unnatural movement

39:49

that really scared her. She

39:51

said she was like, we're

39:53

good. This hallways good, right? Everything's

39:56

good down here. Let's go. I'm

40:00

thinking yeah, I'd probably have been the same way.

40:02

Yeah. And that unnatural

40:05

movement, it makes you wonder what is pulling

40:07

it back. Uh-huh. Yeah. Like is

40:09

it just, we

40:11

hear that certain spirits

40:14

are trapped in certain areas. So

40:17

is that what happens when a spirit tries to wander

40:20

out of the area that it's trapped in? Maybe. Or

40:23

is there another entity

40:26

that was like, I know you don't

40:29

help and sucked it back

40:31

to it. Maybe. Now

40:34

in another, um, in another

40:36

investigation, uh,

40:39

I watched, uh, from the paranormal

40:42

files and this is Colin and Jeff and they went

40:48

in and at

40:51

the beginning of their investigation,

40:53

they, they found it hard to even get

40:55

their equipment set up. There was so much stuff

40:57

going on. You know, their equipment

40:59

kept going off while they're setting up,

41:02

you know, the proximity sensors and,

41:05

and, uh, what are those little

41:07

things? The red and green. The rim

41:09

pod. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you can, if

41:11

you go to one side, the light'll turn green. If

41:13

you go to the other side, the lighter turn red.

41:16

Oh, yeah. I don't remember what those are called, but yeah,

41:18

they're, they're like triangles. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

41:20

They're trying. Depending on which side you touch, it'll light

41:22

up a different color. Yeah. So you

41:25

can essentially use that to

41:27

try to get a yes, no response. Right.

41:30

Okay. So now that you know

41:32

what, what kind of stuff they're using, it

41:35

was around 9 PM at

41:37

the very beginning of their night and the

41:39

pair were setting up the

41:41

proximity sensors and filming their

41:43

intro, but the sensors kept alerting

41:46

them to the pre to a presence. It

41:48

says the guys also have, and

41:51

this was kind of cool. They have

41:53

the mechanical movement to a music

41:55

box attached to a sensor.

41:58

Oh yeah. Okay.

41:59

So that if the sensor was triggered,

42:02

the music box would begin to play.

42:05

Well why? I don't understand that because that

42:08

would creep me out more than a spirit.

42:11

I would rather hear beeping and all

42:13

of a sudden. It's

42:17

like no. Straight out of a horror movie.

42:19

I'm telling you. Yes. You

42:21

just get a disembodied music playing

42:24

and I'm doing this to myself? No.

42:27

Uh uh. I'm going to keep it to the

42:29

beats and the boots. I don't want random

42:31

music playing. Make this as creepy

42:34

as we possibly can. It's like those

42:35

stupid teddy bears that they have

42:38

that are supposed to be trigger objects that

42:40

they've put a rim pod or something into

42:43

that when the spirit child plays

42:45

with it, it giggles or some crap.

42:48

Uh uh.

42:51

Nope. I'm convinced. Ain't having

42:53

that. All of that. All of that stuff.

42:55

I mean I'm not saying it doesn't work but

42:58

it's done that for the viewers.

43:00

Absolutely. Sure. Because

43:02

it'll make the video so much creepier. If

43:04

you could tolerate doing

43:07

an investigation with that stuff and

43:09

it not completely freak you out, more

43:12

power to you. I'm not carrying

43:14

a teddy bear in there that's going to go off

43:16

and laugh.

43:18

No. If something gets near it. No.

43:22

I will bring a tennis ball if the child

43:25

goes and wants to play with something or

43:27

hey I got flashy lights. Poke

43:29

my flashy light and it'll make a sound. Just

43:33

make it go meh. I don't want to

43:35

hear hehehehehehehe

43:37

or some disembodied music playing.

43:39

Go in there with those buttons

43:42

like they use for dogs. Yeah.

43:44

Outside. Treat. Mmhmm.

43:47

You know mommy. Yep. Then

43:50

you really really have something

43:52

there. But

43:55

anyway back to this music box thing. Ok

43:59

so this. thing is attached to this little

44:01

sensor and with the sensors

44:03

triggered the music box is supposed to play. So

44:06

while they're filming their intro the sensor goes

44:09

off but instead of music

44:11

playing the small winding

44:14

crank is spinning quickly and all

44:16

you can hear is this little fast clicking

44:19

sound it's just going you know

44:22

it's spinning around.

44:24

Yeah because that's more settling.

44:26

Oh yeah that was that was worse.

44:28

I mean if the music would have been bad enough

44:31

but watching this thing just go bananas I was

44:34

like and I mean I'm

44:36

watching this video and I'm going I've

44:39

seen so many of these I have

44:41

watched so many of these you know

44:43

over the years but this one

44:45

was it was actually giving me cold chills

44:48

I was like and I don't it

44:50

wasn't because it was I was scared of it

44:53

I was excited for these guys.

44:56

Yeah. You know I'm like this is the

44:58

stuff like this is what a paranormal investor

45:00

graders dream is. Yeah this

45:03

is the part of the video that I

45:05

watched. Yeah so it

45:07

was it was it was fascinating and

45:09

you could tell how excited these guys were

45:13

but the thing about

45:15

the music box yeah too much and I don't

45:18

I've never seen these things move that fast.

45:20

I mean I've seen music boxes they

45:22

tend to move like in a very slow

45:25

pattern this thing is

45:27

the little crank is just spinning

45:29

and usually

45:32

when you have paranormal investigators use those

45:34

things it doesn't even normally

45:36

play at normal speed it'll go thing thing

45:40

sitting thing

45:41

right thing

45:42

it doesn't it's not normal

45:45

speed and it's not yeah

45:48

yeah

45:48

so that that's weird but again

45:50

that's super slow also freaky

45:53

oh yeah yeah so just

45:55

leave the music box out of it it's

45:58

all right

45:59

for everybody sake use the

46:01

the fancy stuff that they

46:03

give you or Get one

46:05

of those like I want to get one of

46:07

those things that it's a little fan in a vacuum

46:11

And when an electrical charge gets

46:13

near it It will spin

46:16

or like you can put a flashlight

46:18

on it and because it's in a vacuum the photons

46:20

of light will spin it Mm-hmm Supposedly

46:24

one of those because it's in a vacuum

46:26

tube Spirits can move

46:29

it around By

46:32

using their energy to push it. Yeah, guess

46:35

what? It's silent

46:36

Yeah,

46:38

I don't have to worry about it. I just look at it. I don't have to

46:40

be creeped out by a music box

46:42

or a giggling bear

46:43

Yeah, especially while you're alone

46:46

in a old abandoned hospital

46:49

But later in the investigation Colin

46:52

went up to the third floor and

46:54

he had some very interesting interactions

46:57

now He was using spirit talker, which

47:00

is which is an app and you know,

47:02

we talked about that the app

47:04

spirit box things before I Don't

47:09

know I mean it Really all

47:11

it's doing it's doing the same thing that a traditional

47:14

spirit box would do You know,

47:16

it's just it's it's given that that

47:19

scan you just don't hear the scan

47:22

but it's given it's given a spirit the The

47:27

way to manifest a voice kind

47:29

of like an obelisk Yeah, the obelisk

47:32

is the thing that does that and then speaks

47:34

a word, right? Yeah, it works

47:36

yet. You're right It works like that. Yeah,

47:38

the spirit box is you know scans

47:40

the frequencies and you pick it up through

47:42

the Like Nicole talked

47:45

about where it pulls from the

47:47

AMF AM or FM, but

47:49

yeah The reason Matt

47:52

that I haven't tried this is because

47:54

it costs money

47:56

No, yeah,

47:56

it costs money. So maybe it's more legit.

47:59

Maybe

47:59

than some of these free ones, but

48:02

in a way I want to test it out. Yeah.

48:04

I do too. Just see, just

48:07

see so that we can tell the

48:10

graveyard if it's, if we

48:12

find it legit or not, but,

48:14

but I've got to say I've, I've seen

48:16

it in multiple

48:19

investigations by essentially

48:22

amateur investigators. Um,

48:26

so I mean, I don't know, but I'm with

48:28

you. I'd like to give it a try and see, see

48:30

what my experience would be. But

48:33

anyway, so he's using that he's got proximity

48:35

sensors around and he's got those red

48:37

and green triangle lights that I mentioned

48:39

earlier for yes, no questions. So

48:42

he started asking questions. Now,

48:45

after hearing a distinct knock from

48:47

down the hall, Colin

48:50

asked where the spirit was and

48:53

the spirit talker quickly responded

48:55

hall. So

48:58

Colin tells the spirit that it can answer

49:00

yes or no questions by moving alongside

49:03

this, the red and green lighted

49:05

triangle device, turning it

49:08

red for no and green for yes. And after

49:10

asking you are in the hall,

49:13

is that what you're telling me? The

49:16

spirit talker spoke the words don't

49:18

tell, and the green light

49:20

lit up for yes on his device. I

49:23

mean, this is within seconds.

49:26

Yeah. These things happen. So it was obviously

49:29

a response and, and understand

49:32

the spirit talker is not just

49:34

going off incessantly.

49:37

Right. Right. I mean, you know, it's going

49:39

off in, in intervals,

49:42

but typically

49:44

in response to something he has done or said.

49:47

Yeah.

49:47

It seems like intelligent

49:50

responses. Yes.

49:52

Now, over the next few minutes, Colin

49:54

received multiple responses to questions,

49:57

including responding with a green

49:59

light to. answer yes when asked

50:01

if the spirit was a nurse.

50:04

Now no response to the question,

50:06

are you a patient? But

50:09

the proximity sensors went off and

50:11

the spirit talker responded, please

50:14

leave here. So

50:18

I put this in here to remind myself, I

50:21

honestly cannot do this part of the video

50:23

justice by explaining it. Okay.

50:26

I mean, again, I told you it gave me chills.

50:31

Just, you know, like I said, out of excitement. But

50:34

go and watch this video. It is long.

50:36

I think the entire video is about

50:39

two hours long. But

50:43

you know, it moves quickly

50:45

because there's so much. I mean, they don't

50:47

have a lot of fluff in there. Okay.

50:50

And you get to see the part

50:52

of the tour, which they don't

50:54

normally don't let you film. So

50:57

you know, I think it's probably

50:59

one of the better ones to go watch.

51:01

It is a good video.

51:03

Yeah. Um,

51:05

and, and, you know, like I said, I watched a lot

51:07

of these and, and this

51:09

is, this was really good. So

51:13

what really got me though, at this

51:15

part of the video was Colin asked

51:18

if the spirit can tell him its name. And

51:21

he barely finishes the question when the name

51:23

Jason is spoken from the spirit

51:26

talker. Now he

51:28

is super excited at this point. I

51:30

mean, he's gotten a name. So

51:32

Colin says, so Jason,

51:35

you're a male nurse. That's

51:37

up here. Is that right? And

51:39

he gets an immediate response

51:41

from the spirit talker of right.

51:44

Hmm. I mean, it's, it's

51:47

that fast. Now

51:49

the conversation continues and gets more

51:52

interesting, but we're going to post

51:54

the link to the paranormal

51:56

files investigation. Um,

51:58

because I, I really, they

52:01

did such a good job. I don't want to spoil Colin

52:03

and Jeff's video, but

52:07

that was just enough to kind of wet

52:09

your appetite and understand how active

52:12

this hospital is. Okay.

52:14

You can find it down on the bottom of the show notes.

52:17

Yep.

52:18

Now, a couple of takeaways from the different

52:20

investigations that I watched.

52:23

The word tunnel occurs

52:27

in multiple investigations

52:30

from the Spirit Talker. Okay.

52:34

Never saw anything that actually got into it.

52:36

Didn't hear anything about the tunnel in the history.

52:39

You know, I could have missed it, but I

52:41

think if there was a tunnel

52:44

under that hospital somewhere, that

52:47

would be at the forefront of what I'm

52:49

going to talk about. You know, I'm going

52:51

to talk about finding a way to get

52:53

myself down there to investigate.

52:56

And I never saw that. But

52:58

it does, the word does come up in several

53:00

of different investigations

53:02

by different investigators.

53:04

So it makes me wonder,

53:07

just to hop in, it makes me wonder if

53:09

there is one and they just haven't

53:12

found it yet because dudes

53:14

only owned it for a little over a year.

53:17

So maybe there is one that he doesn't

53:20

know about. Yeah. And eventually

53:22

he'll find it. Or they're

53:26

talking about some spirit tunnel

53:29

that travels between locations

53:32

in Harriman. Since there are other

53:34

haunted places, maybe the hospital is

53:37

part of the tunnel or one of

53:40

the ends of the tunnel. Yeah. I

53:43

didn't consider that. And they

53:44

travel from one building to another that way. Yeah,

53:46

I didn't consider that. I like that

53:48

idea. Because

53:52

if it's not a physical tunnel, I didn't even think about

53:54

that. Yeah. The other

53:56

thing is a little antidote.

54:00

They have mannequins dressed as nurses.

54:03

That's horrible. Okay. Now

54:06

they're not stuck down at the end of hallways

54:09

to try to scare you. They're

54:12

like behind the nurses station or

54:14

in a patient bed. Okay.

54:16

Still.

54:17

They're just kind of there. I

54:20

was watching this one guy's investigation

54:22

and he's by himself. You know,

54:25

props to this dude. I mean, he's in

54:27

there solo. And

54:30

but it's dark and he's got his light on

54:32

his camera and he turns the corner and

54:34

you catch the back of one of these mannequins

54:36

wearing scrubs. It's got a wig on and a

54:38

stethoscope around its neck. And he's like,

54:41

Oh my God.

54:42

I was

54:44

like, I've done the same thing.

54:47

I would have done the same thing. For

54:52

sure. Even if you know that it's

54:54

there, you know, you catch it and you're like,

54:56

whoa.

55:00

But, but one of the,

55:02

why say it's a bad idea. One

55:04

of the cool things I thought about the old Harriman

55:06

hospital was that it's

55:09

been a hospital so recently that

55:12

there are employees of the old

55:14

hospital still around. I

55:17

mean, you know, not everybody's not dead because

55:19

they were, I started working

55:21

the 1925, you

55:23

know, I got people that were like, yeah,

55:25

I was here when it closed. And

55:27

you know, 10 years ago. And

55:30

that's the case with one Melanie

55:33

Pelphry, who is a former

55:35

hospital employee. And

55:37

she actually gives the tours on,

55:40

on a couple of the videos. She

55:43

was there when the hospital did shut down

55:45

in 2013. And she

55:47

tells a story of being

55:49

in a secured unit on the first

55:51

floor that required a key

55:54

for entry or to be buzzed

55:56

in by someone on the inside. So

55:59

if you've ever gone. to visit somebody

56:01

in like the ICU or

56:04

that's in surgical recovery, those

56:07

doors you can't get to open from

56:10

the outside. Someone on the inside

56:12

has to buzz you in or

56:15

an employee has to use a badge

56:18

or a key to be

56:20

able to access. Now the

56:22

thing about this particular unit is the elevator

56:26

was secured as well and it

56:28

required a physical key to

56:31

operate. I

56:34

remember this was

56:37

how my dorm room

56:39

was when I was in school

56:41

in Memphis. You

56:46

had administration floors on like

56:48

the first three or four floors and

56:51

then from five up it

56:53

was residential halls. So

56:58

you could access up through the fourth floor

57:00

without a key but if you were

57:02

from the outside and you wanted to go any higher

57:05

than that, you had to have a key. And

57:07

I mean it was a physical key. You turned it,

57:09

put it into a lock, turned it and then that

57:12

unlocked the buttons and

57:14

then you took it out. That's

57:17

how this elevator supposedly worked.

57:19

And so Melanie says her and another employee

57:22

were on the unit after it had closed

57:25

when they heard the elevator moving down. The

57:28

elevator got to the first floor, the

57:31

doors opened and no one was

57:33

there. So if no

57:35

one was there to use the key,

57:38

how did it get down there?

57:41

And this was like

57:44

right as it was closed. Melanie says

57:46

that this unit had been, it

57:48

was completely empty. No

57:51

patients, no employees, they were just down

57:53

there doing some final stuff and

57:55

that's what happened.

57:57

So it shouldn't have been so

57:59

old that it had a glitch, right?

58:02

You know, people say, well, it was glitchy. Oh,

58:04

no, it just closed. It shouldn't have been glitchy. That's

58:06

right. It was a modern elevator that

58:08

was probably in use a week

58:10

before. Okay. Um,

58:14

but it shouldn't have been able to move on its own, not

58:16

if it required a key. Now

58:19

during an investigation by the group paranormal

58:22

quest and spirit stalkers, Rhonda,

58:25

another worker and guide at the hospital

58:28

explained that the ghosts of children

58:31

are often heard and seen

58:34

in the old pediatric unit. She

58:36

even reports having seen the apparition

58:39

of a young girl in a hospital gown,

58:42

she also says that one night while doing

58:44

post-investigation rounds, she

58:47

and Devin, who I mentioned earlier, noticed

58:49

that several cabinets were wide

58:52

open, but they had been closed

58:54

when the pair passed them just minutes

58:56

before. Hmm. And Rhonda

58:59

said they had heard these cabinets slam

59:01

many times, but had never actually

59:03

caught them open. So,

59:07

yeah, so that was, that was another, um,

59:11

you know, really kind of creepy event. And

59:13

you know, that's kind of hard.

59:16

You know, your job is to go in, in

59:18

the early morning hours after someone's

59:20

had an all night paranormal investigation,

59:23

poking and prodding and trying to get these spirits

59:25

to respond, then they leave

59:27

and it's your job to go meandering through

59:29

that hospital after everything's gotten all fired

59:32

up.

59:33

Like, no.

59:36

Um, and of course it was during these

59:38

rounds when, when Devin says she saw that

59:40

shadow gets sucked back into a room. Yeah.

59:43

You know, so, I mean, that's like

59:45

going, yes, stoked that fire up real good before

59:47

I try to walk over it in my bare feet. Right.

59:51

Wrong. Uh, but

59:53

yeah, I mean, it really, I mean, just

59:56

a ton of stuff and I, and I, I purposefully

59:59

didn't share. everything

1:00:02

out of respect to some of these guys,

1:00:04

these investigators, because they all

1:00:07

appeared to be somewhat,

1:00:09

you know, semi-pro

1:00:12

amateur investigators. You

1:00:14

know, I go watch their videos.

1:00:17

I mean, these are really good. These

1:00:20

are better than some of the professional ones

1:00:23

I've watched, okay? Because

1:00:25

these people are authentic,

1:00:27

you know? Well, yeah, and like you and

1:00:29

I were talking, that the part of that

1:00:31

video that I watched was one of the

1:00:33

best call and responses that I've

1:00:36

seen. Oh, absolutely. It

1:00:38

is better than most

1:00:40

anything I've seen on TV now.

1:00:43

Yeah. And it was good.

1:00:45

It was genuine. You

1:00:48

could tell he didn't have a production crew

1:00:50

with him that was trying to

1:00:52

amp things up. I hate background

1:00:54

music in

1:00:57

background noises or effect in

1:00:59

a ghost hunt because you're

1:01:02

trying to hear what they're saying, but

1:01:04

in the background, you've got... I

1:01:10

know it. ...for like effect, and you're like, I can't hear,

1:01:12

but this dude, genuine,

1:01:15

you could hear the noises. He

1:01:18

repeated them so you could catch

1:01:21

it. It was good. It was well done. Very

1:01:23

well done. Now,

1:01:25

just to wrap things up, I told

1:01:27

you, I'd tell you a little bit about how this works. Now,

1:01:29

the old Harriman

1:01:32

Hospital was purchased in 2022

1:01:36

by the same people that saved

1:01:38

the old South Pittsburgh Hospital

1:01:41

in South Pittsburgh, Tennessee. So,

1:01:44

like I said, we talked about that one early

1:01:47

on in graveyard tail days. And

1:01:51

it's a very popular spot. We've

1:01:56

got members of the graveyard that have been

1:01:58

there, done investigations there. So,

1:02:01

you know, they really took it

1:02:04

and tried to preserve it

1:02:06

for the sake of these

1:02:09

paranormal investigators to come in

1:02:11

and, you know, gather

1:02:13

some evidence, work on their equipment.

1:02:17

You know, eventually, you

1:02:19

know, cut their teeth on

1:02:23

an environment that is safe. You

1:02:26

know, you're not going to go walking through somewhere and

1:02:28

fall through the floor. Which,

1:02:30

you know, is a possibility in some of these other older

1:02:33

places that, you know, don't really

1:02:35

have caretakers

1:02:37

that are making sure that the building is structurally

1:02:39

sound. You're not going to get jumped by homeless

1:02:41

people. That's right. You know, it's secure.

1:02:45

So there's nobody in there camping out that

1:02:47

you're going to accidentally walk up on. So,

1:02:50

you know, that's what these places are for.

1:02:53

I think it's fabulous. I think it is

1:02:55

just – it's one of the best

1:02:57

things for the paranormal community to have

1:03:00

people out there that want to preserve

1:03:03

these historic haunted

1:03:05

locations and allow

1:03:07

people to come in and

1:03:09

experience this. Okay?

1:03:13

And of course, as we said at the top, this has really

1:03:15

been a boon to the Rome

1:03:18

County

1:03:22

tourism and income because

1:03:25

it's bringing people into the town. It's

1:03:27

bringing some dollars into the town. As

1:03:30

Adam mentioned, you know, they're talking

1:03:32

about – you know, they've done Hollywood shows, filmed

1:03:36

at that location. They've had daytime

1:03:38

and nighttime investigations. They have community

1:03:40

events there. But

1:03:43

here's a few interesting things about

1:03:45

if you're going to go there. The

1:03:48

old Harriman Hospital does not

1:03:50

allow edited video footage of

1:03:52

its facility. Right. So

1:03:55

if you come in and film and you're

1:03:57

going to publish it, you have to publish

1:03:59

what you want. you film. You

1:04:03

can't chop it all down, you

1:04:06

can't run pieces together to make it look

1:04:08

better than it really was. They

1:04:11

require that if you're gonna post this

1:04:13

video, you've got to post what

1:04:15

you got. Which is gonna

1:04:17

keep some professional TV

1:04:19

hosts out of that

1:04:21

place. Certainly it will. Because they won't be able to fake

1:04:24

anything. I also

1:04:26

found it interesting that in

1:04:29

the rules it says there are absolutely

1:04:31

no Ouija boards, no

1:04:33

saging, no crossing

1:04:36

over, no seances or

1:04:38

provocation is permitted in

1:04:40

or on the grounds of the building.

1:04:43

You know I like these people more and more.

1:04:47

It

1:04:50

sounds silly when you read it but

1:04:52

then when you consider what people are going in there

1:04:54

to do, you're like this is brilliant.

1:04:57

Because you've always

1:04:59

got these people that go in and go,

1:05:02

well I go in and I cross over

1:05:05

all the spirits in a building. I

1:05:08

saw some woman that said

1:05:11

she shoots balls

1:05:14

of energy out of her fingers at spirits

1:05:16

to send them over to the other side and that

1:05:18

she'll go pew and cross

1:05:20

them over. She literally makes the sound.

1:05:23

I'm like okay first

1:05:26

of all that's

1:05:28

given a bad name to sensitive

1:05:32

psychics

1:05:33

whatever.

1:05:34

Secondly, why

1:05:37

do you always go in with the thought that you're

1:05:39

going to clean up this place and cross

1:05:41

everything over?

1:05:42

I know. You

1:05:43

know maybe they want to

1:05:45

be here. If they don't, there's

1:05:49

just some things in nature that we don't need

1:05:51

to mess with.

1:05:54

They're there for a reason. I

1:05:56

always feel weird about people

1:05:58

that... Try

1:06:00

to speak on this stuff with some level

1:06:02

of authority because

1:06:05

I'm like none of us are authorities.

1:06:08

Not on this. We're just investigating

1:06:11

and looking and experiencing. We're

1:06:13

not authorities. We don't know. I

1:06:16

mean, it's just the facts. We don't know.

1:06:19

What we think we know, we've collected

1:06:22

from being open-minded and actually

1:06:24

investigating and experiencing this stuff.

1:06:29

Just let it happen. I'd

1:06:32

say that's where the provocation

1:06:34

isn't allowed. Don't go in

1:06:36

there and be disrespectful and hateful

1:06:39

trying to rouse somebody

1:06:41

up to try to get

1:06:43

a response. That's no

1:06:45

good either.

1:06:47

I said it recently. I do not like

1:06:49

provocation when it comes to

1:06:51

spirits.

1:06:53

It's disrespectful if

1:06:55

they're human spirits.

1:06:59

I'm not 100% convinced that it's all

1:07:01

human spirits. If they

1:07:03

are human spirits, why are you bowing up on

1:07:06

spirits and trying to fight them? You

1:07:08

want to fight an ethereal beat? Okay.

1:07:13

You're going to cross it over. What power do

1:07:15

you have to cross over

1:07:17

something that we don't understand?

1:07:21

No editing a video.

1:07:24

I love that. Because if

1:07:26

nothing happens, then you either

1:07:28

have to post it nothing happens or you can't post

1:07:31

it. Right. You

1:07:33

can't edit it and add in sounds,

1:07:36

which I'm convinced TV

1:07:38

shows tend to do. Some

1:07:43

don't, but I think a lot

1:07:45

do.

1:07:46

Well, yeah. I think a lot of them

1:07:48

just take the well.

1:07:51

They're really good at making mountains out of molehills.

1:07:55

Something very small becomes something very

1:07:57

huge

1:07:58

quickly.

1:07:59

that environment because

1:08:02

it's entertaining. I've

1:08:05

always thought just take it for what it is. If

1:08:07

you hear this faint knocking and nobody's down

1:08:09

there, okay, that's good enough. It

1:08:12

doesn't have to be the pounding of

1:08:15

somebody trapped on the other side of a wall.

1:08:18

It doesn't have to be that. If

1:08:20

you hear it, you hear it and just let it

1:08:22

go.

1:08:24

If you're in a mountain down a mole hill, you also don't

1:08:26

need to provoke, hear

1:08:28

a slight knock from

1:08:32

the other room and then start screaming

1:08:34

and cussing and running into each

1:08:36

other and trying to split.

1:08:39

It was a knock. Yeah. Now,

1:08:41

if something comes up to me and slaps me in the face,

1:08:44

pushes me or I see something crazy,

1:08:46

I might move. I'm

1:08:49

probably going to go somewhere else and collect

1:08:51

myself. I'm not going

1:08:53

to bow up

1:08:55

on something. When it knocks

1:08:58

at me, go, holy beep, beep, beep,

1:09:00

beep, beep, running into each other, pushing to

1:09:02

get out of the way.

1:09:04

If you really believe in this

1:09:06

stuff, you believe that

1:09:08

not all those spirits are human

1:09:11

and what are you bowing up against?

1:09:15

Something that's got to be way more powerful than

1:09:17

you.

1:09:18

Just let it be, experience

1:09:20

it and move on. Of course, no saging. Don't

1:09:23

come in and cleanse my haunted location. Of

1:09:26

course, no legal words.

1:09:29

That would be messed up. You

1:09:31

got a haunted location and you're doing

1:09:34

it so that paranormal investigators can

1:09:36

come and investigate and

1:09:38

shore so you can make some money to pay

1:09:41

back what you spent to buy this place. Some

1:09:44

jack wagon comes in there with Sage

1:09:46

and Palo Santo and just runs

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them all out. You son of

1:09:52

a ... It was my livelihood. I

1:09:55

appreciated Frank in A2. He

1:09:59

was a buddy. of mine you just ran him out? Yeah

1:10:01

yeah

1:10:02

and of course no like I said no Ouija boards

1:10:05

because you know hey we got enough

1:10:07

activity here please don't be opening any

1:10:09

portals to bring extra stuff

1:10:11

in here. Right you know don't open a door that

1:10:14

you don't know how to close and then. That's

1:10:16

right but you know what

1:10:18

what do you guys think I mean we've given

1:10:20

you a lot of the evidence that's out there there

1:10:23

is quite a bit more so

1:10:26

go check it out if the old Harriman Hospital

1:10:29

interests you definitely look into

1:10:31

it further because you're gonna find that there's

1:10:33

a lot more that Adam and I just could not cover

1:10:35

in in this show. Right.

1:10:38

But what do you think I mean you know if

1:10:40

we've got listeners that have been to the old Harriman

1:10:42

Hospital Nicole

1:10:45

Nicole Tito who we interviewed just

1:10:48

a couple weeks ago she's

1:10:50

done an investigation there you

1:10:53

know she suggested we

1:10:55

look into it. That's exactly right she was she was

1:10:57

who gave us the idea to look into this I'm

1:11:00

sure we've got others that have at

1:11:03

least been around it or from

1:11:05

that area in Tennessee that know

1:11:07

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this was a good one Thank you Nicole

1:11:57

for for recommending this and I'm

1:11:59

surprised that I haven't

1:12:01

heard of this place but you

1:12:04

know the fact that it really only picked

1:12:06

up in 2020 or 2022

1:12:09

it's new you

1:12:12

know it's gotten by me but but

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