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Alright so matt i went to the doctor

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4:44

I got, Matt. So why don't you tell us, what

4:46

are we talking about tonight, brother? Okay,

4:48

so tonight's going to be a little different. I

4:53

did the research on this. I

4:55

sent this topic to Adam a while

4:58

ago. This was something that Amanda

5:00

had brought to me

5:03

and we sat down and

5:06

we watched a video about it. I did

5:08

a little extra reading and I told Adam,

5:11

I think this would be

5:13

a cool topic. And I said,

5:15

I'm happy to present it.

5:18

And Adam is going to provide the color

5:20

commentary. We're

5:23

going to be discussing the

5:26

Strauss-Howe generational

5:28

theory. And

5:30

I know everybody just went, ugh. The

5:32

what? No, no, no. I promise. This

5:35

is fascinating. Okay. And you

5:38

may have heard of it. You

5:43

just didn't hear it in that term. But

5:49

the Strauss-Howe generational theory

5:52

attempts to describe how

5:54

and when history repeats

5:57

itself. You hear

5:59

that a lot. that history repeats itself,

6:01

but I have not heard anybody

6:05

say that they can predict when

6:07

it does. And that's it. It's

6:10

the prediction of

6:13

when it will occur. Not

6:16

what will occur, but when

6:19

it will occur, and almost

6:23

to expect it. And

6:26

let's get into it.

6:29

I'm getting excited about it.

6:32

This is crazy.

6:34

It's crazy. So Adam,

6:37

take a look at the world today. I

6:40

try not to. No

6:43

kidding. We are

6:45

just coming off of the heels of a

6:48

global pandemic.

6:51

The likes of which we

6:54

have never seen, our

6:56

parents, our grandparents,

6:59

they've never experienced anything like this.

7:03

And regardless of

7:05

anybody's beliefs on where

7:08

it came from, how it started,

7:11

why it started, it doesn't

7:13

matter. It was real, and

7:15

millions of people lost their lives

7:19

to a very real disease. In

7:24

the US, I

7:27

mean, all bets

7:29

are off here. I

7:34

think the US is in a true state of upheaval.

7:37

And don't worry, this is not political. But

7:41

when you turn on the news, it's like

7:44

civil unrest abounds. You

7:47

can't trust what you read

7:50

or hear, and thanks to AI,

7:53

you can't trust what you see all the time. Man,

7:55

you and I were just talking about AI, and

7:58

the worries about that. Yeah.

8:01

And so you think about it, the

8:03

path to the upcoming U.S.

8:06

presidential election, I

8:08

mean, it's name

8:10

calling, finger pointing, scandals,

8:13

lies, and it's driving

8:16

a wedge between groups

8:19

and society. I mean, things

8:21

are just crazy right now. So

8:25

some people would say we're

8:27

in a crisis, okay? This

8:30

is a crisis. I mean, you

8:32

know,

8:33

we're currently dealing with two

8:36

wars, two wars going

8:38

on at the same time.

8:39

And of

8:41

course, with any kind of conflict

8:44

like this, the

8:46

people that pay the price are

8:49

the innocent. Right.

8:52

You know, we're already seeing it. So

8:55

yeah, we're in a crisis.

8:57

But according to the Strauss-How

9:00

theory, we should

9:02

have seen it coming, particularly

9:06

since the Russian invasion of

9:08

the Ukraine. The crisis

9:10

has really taken on a geopolitical

9:14

dimension, okay? Leading

9:17

many of us to fear that

9:19

the present is far

9:22

worse and dangerous than any

9:24

other period in any other lifetime.

9:28

Okay? It's like these are the

9:30

worst of times. It's Charles Dickens.

9:33

It was the worst of times. It

9:35

was the worst of times, you

9:38

know? And the

9:41

bad part about it is that the path

9:43

out of this isn't

9:45

exactly clear. You

9:48

know, we're not really

9:50

seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. We're

9:53

not even seeing the path on how to get to the tunnel.

9:56

Yeah,

9:57

right.

9:58

Okay? So it's not a bad thing.

12:00

with that term. Is it the

12:02

credit or the blame? It's

12:06

just a name. I mean

12:08

it's just a name. What's

12:11

in a name? They didn't make

12:13

millennials the way they are. They just... A rose

12:15

by any other name, Matt.

12:18

I don't know what that's supposed to mean in this situation.

12:21

Yeah. But it's

12:24

also, as we go into this, it's important

12:26

to realize that the

12:29

book The Fourth Turning focuses on

12:33

these cycles in the United States. Okay.

12:38

This is not a global thing.

12:41

There is a book that uses

12:43

a similar model by

12:45

Peter Turchin, and it's called End Times.

12:50

It looks at the same type theory,

12:52

but on a much more

12:54

global scale. Okay. I've seen

12:56

the title of that book. I don't know really anything

12:58

about it, but I have seen that book. I haven't seen

13:00

The Fourth Turning book. Yeah.

13:03

But it's looking at things worldly.

13:07

Neil Howe and William Strauss's book, it's

13:10

really focused on US

13:12

history. Okay. So now,

13:15

I've given you all that lead in. I've

13:18

given you a little taste. Okay.

13:20

I'm anxious and scared now. Let's

13:23

look at how this works.

13:25

Okay. So according to

13:28

Howe, history repeats

13:30

itself in roughly 80 year

13:33

blocks called secular.

13:36

Okay. So this 80 year section,

13:40

they call a secular. Okay. Within

13:43

each history block, there

13:46

are four divisions that

13:48

last about 20 years

13:51

each. Okay. And this is

13:53

not exact. Okay. That 80 years

13:57

is roughly the span of a human

13:59

lifetime. So somewhere

14:01

in 80 to 90 years. Okay?

14:04

And that the 20 years is give or take. But

14:08

these divisions are

14:10

called turnings. And

14:14

for us, we know turnings

14:16

better as generations.

14:19

But they can also be looked at

14:21

like the seasons of the year. You

14:24

know, spring, fall, winter, all

14:27

of that. So

14:29

Howe writes that Anglo-America

14:31

has gone through five century

14:34

long secular and

14:37

is now at the end of

14:39

the sixth. Each

14:42

secular encompasses four

14:44

generations corresponding to

14:46

the seasons of the year. Okay?

14:49

There is a high, which is like

14:52

springtime, or

14:54

a new beginning. An

14:57

awakening, which is like summer

14:59

when the next generation turns

15:03

against its parents. Okay?

15:06

And that's metaphorically. We're

15:09

not going to have an uprising against everybody's parents.

15:12

I hope we don't, because I'm one of those

15:14

parents. I was going to say,

15:16

do we have to worry about our 12

15:19

year olds picking up shields

15:22

and spears and coming at us? It's

15:25

not like step for children. You

15:27

know, they're not taking over. No. Okay,

15:30

good. Okay. The next

15:32

one would be the unraveling, or the fall,

15:36

which is where institutions

15:38

begin to decay. And

15:41

the fourth turning, or winter,

15:44

is the crisis when

15:47

everything falls apart. But

15:49

it's preparing the way for

15:51

a new secular.

15:54

Much like, how kind of

15:56

describes this as like the

15:58

necessity of a four.

15:59

forest fire.

16:01

It's devastating.

16:05

It damages forests,

16:10

houses, people, but

16:15

it's necessary to a degree because

16:18

from that comes

16:21

new birth and growth. The

16:25

forest comes back and

16:28

that's how Neil

16:32

Howe looks at these history blocks.

16:35

After this crisis, there

16:37

is a new beginning and

16:39

everything comes back. So

16:43

let's get into what

16:45

our current situation

16:47

looks like through the lens

16:50

of the turning. Looking

16:54

at America's current secular, we

16:57

are in the fourth turning. We are

16:59

in the crisis. Where

17:04

did the current secular, where did the

17:06

current 80 year history block

17:09

begin for us that

17:11

would put us in the fourth turning

17:14

or the crisis right now? The

17:17

first turning in the United States

17:20

began in 1946 after World War II. So

17:24

the Allied forces were victorious

17:28

and things were good. We

17:30

were in a high. It

17:32

was the time of the most even distribution

17:35

of wealth in the United

17:38

States during this period. You

17:42

could work a regular job and still

17:44

afford to buy a house. The

17:48

example I heard was you could work at a gas

17:50

station and afford to buy a house. Nothing

17:56

against people working at a gas station. But just

17:58

a regular non-stop. unskilled

18:00

job you had enough money

18:02

to survive and flourish During

18:06

this time We

18:08

saw new and wonderful things

18:11

like the invention of rock and roll We

18:14

were venturing into space This

18:17

is when the sport cars like the Corvette

18:20

and the Mustang were developed. Yeah, okay

18:23

You know this period was every it

18:25

was good. It was good You know

18:28

everybody felt good that it was you

18:30

know patriotism was at an all-time high

18:35

Things were looking up for

18:37

everyone and you've got to remember and we're gonna talk

18:39

about this more What

18:42

was going on in the United States right before

18:44

World War two? We were

18:46

in the Great Depression. Yeah when

18:49

everything sucked Yeah,

18:51

and nobody knew how we were

18:54

gonna get through this Okay,

18:56

and then you know after World War two Things

19:00

are so much better. Okay, you

19:02

you can get a job you can

19:05

you know You can buy a house

19:07

a car, you know, you can feed your

19:09

family Mmm, so

19:12

things were great Innovation

19:14

was strong during this period during

19:17

this we saw the invention of things

19:20

like the transistor the

19:22

credit card Waterproof

19:24

diapers Were invented

19:27

during this period Super I'm

19:29

thankful for those Yeah,

19:31

me too, you know Yeah

19:34

five kids. Yeah But

19:38

the instant camera The

19:41

airbag I didn't realize the airbag

19:43

was that old. No, I didn't either The

19:46

heart lung machine was invented

19:49

Wow, you know, which allows open heart

19:51

surgery. Mm-hmm weather

19:53

satellites nuclear submarines LEDs

19:57

were all invented during

19:59

this

21:57

that

22:00

joke. Hey, you're a neighbor's kid. Neighbor's kids

22:02

are all right. Yeah, exactly. You

22:04

know. I just got what's left.

22:07

Yeah. But you know what

22:09

comes with conformity?

22:12

Rebellion. Yeah. Okay. I

22:14

don't want to be like him. I don't want to dress

22:17

like her. I don't want to do the same

22:19

job as these guys. I

22:21

want to be myself. You know. I

22:24

don't want to wear a tie every day. You

22:28

know, I want to be different. Okay.

22:31

I'm an individual. Okay. So

22:35

the rebellion in this case is just

22:37

it's a call to change this current

22:40

mindset to open your mind

22:42

to new understanding

22:45

to, you know, accept things differently.

22:49

You know, to look at things from a different

22:51

perspective. And this

22:53

period is called

22:55

the awakening. Now,

22:58

the second turning is

23:01

the awakening. It is

23:03

a period of nonconformity.

23:07

Okay. Things are changing. In

23:10

the United States, the awakening

23:14

began in approximately 1964 and was led by voices

23:19

like Martin Luther King and

23:22

the civil rights movement. Bob

23:25

Dylan and John Lennon wrote

23:27

songs about life and love

23:29

from a whole new viewpoint. Timothy

23:33

Leary and Asley Stanley encouraged

23:36

people to explore and expand

23:38

their minds through psychedelic

23:40

LSD trips. Yeah. Yeah.

23:44

Woodstock happened during this period. Yeah.

23:46

But so did the Vietnam War.

23:48

True.

23:49

So protests

23:52

during this time were commonplace.

23:55

You know, nobody was ready to

23:57

just say. Let's

24:00

just let it go Well,

24:03

just whatever whatever the government's

24:05

doing. It's fine. We're just gonna keep

24:07

right on going. That wasn't the case Right,

24:10

you know people were upset,

24:13

you know people were not happy people

24:15

were tired of Conforming

24:18

to the social structure that was

24:20

already there so people

24:23

started to stand against the idea

24:25

of We're just gonna

24:27

go along with the norm Okay

24:33

Now movies music and

24:35

literature flourished and echoed

24:38

these sentiments The women's

24:40

liberation movement began as

24:43

well as the gay rights movement The

24:45

first Macintosh computer was invented

24:49

Okay, this this was a period of Things

24:54

things are coming around that nobody would

24:56

have expected right? Okay so

24:59

the awakening it can

25:01

also be looked at as a as

25:03

a growing period of Individualism,

25:07

okay Instead of a group, you

25:10

know, I am me. I am

25:12

NOT this group. I am me and

25:14

you are you and We

25:16

need to celebrate that So

25:20

people began to look for new and

25:22

inventive ways to express

25:24

their individualism but

25:27

in the early 80s things

25:29

began to change and The

25:32

awakening period ended right

25:35

around the reelection of Ronald

25:37

Reagan as president in Okay,

25:43

so So just

25:45

to recap So we're

25:47

looking at the period right after the

25:50

victory in World War two We

25:53

were coming out of the Great Depression things

25:56

were better life was good

25:59

people People had money, people had homes,

26:02

people had jobs. Things

26:05

were good, but everybody

26:08

was the same. You

26:11

got up, you went to work, you came

26:13

home. That's

26:15

when you see all those ads where

26:18

it's like, can you believe this was an ad

26:20

for a vacuum

26:23

cleaner that has a woman

26:25

pushing a vacuum cleaner going, oh yeah.

26:28

Your man likes a clean floor

26:30

when he gets home, that kind of stuff.

26:32

People were like, okay, after a while,

26:36

this isn't cool anymore. Right

26:40

around 1964, we see the awakening begin. You've

26:47

got the hippie movement, Hight Ashbury,

26:50

the civil rights movement, gay rights

26:52

movement, women's liberation. People

26:55

are bucking against that norm.

26:59

People are looking for a change. After

27:02

Ronald Reagan was reelected in 1984, things

27:05

began to get a little

27:08

messy. We

27:11

saw the fall of communism in the Soviet

27:14

Union, which that's

27:16

great, but it also began a

27:22

period of unrest

27:24

in Russia. It

27:27

began to be almost like a criminal

27:31

state. It was run

27:33

by unsavory

27:36

characters. There

27:39

were safety problems. The

27:42

Berlin Wall came down and

27:44

the bombing of Bosnia occurred.

27:48

More conflict, more changes

27:51

now on a governmental level. Musical

27:55

artists began to sing about violence

27:57

and decay in their cities. Okay.

28:00

The Columbine shooting, the

28:03

attacks on 9-11 and

28:05

the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,

28:08

they all occurred during

28:10

this period. Okay. So,

28:15

go ahead. I see, I see where we're, uh, the,

28:19

the theme so far is it's 20

28:22

year blocks, which you kind of stated

28:24

in the beginning and he's

28:26

got them segmented

28:29

out by these 20 year blocks. And

28:31

then a large theme based

28:35

around these 20 year blocks.

28:38

So, you know,

28:41

you got the, the first, what

28:43

is it? The forties to sixties,

28:46

then the sixties to eighties, the

28:49

eighties to the 2000s. And

28:54

highlighting the, he's highlighting

28:57

the, the, some of the major events

28:59

in each of these things. Right.

29:03

And I'm going to hold my, hold

29:06

my, uh, speculations

29:10

until the end. All right. I,

29:12

I, I think I, I

29:15

have an idea and

29:17

I'll run it past you when we get at the

29:19

end of this, but I,

29:22

I'm going to see if maybe you address them

29:26

before I get there. But I see

29:28

a theme. I see where he's going.

29:31

Yeah. So, yeah. So

29:33

who remembers Y2K? Oh,

29:36

you remember that people

29:38

were actually stocking up on non-perishable

29:41

food, water, and ammunition

29:43

out of fear that society

29:45

and the economy would fall

29:48

when the computer shut down. I

29:50

remember a Y2K

29:53

thing at the time, my

29:55

dad worked for the gas company

29:58

here in Texas. And everybody

30:00

was worried that the computers

30:03

were going to shut down and stuff would

30:05

go haywire. So they made

30:07

him sit on a

30:11

distribution station all

30:13

night, just in case

30:16

the, when the time clicked over, if

30:19

something went haywire, he could go out there

30:21

manually, switch it over so

30:23

that we didn't lose gas to

30:25

certain areas. Obviously

30:28

that didn't happen. But me

30:30

and my brothers and my stepmom all went

30:32

out there and spent new year sitting on

30:34

this gas, uh, distribution

30:37

station with him on new

30:39

year. So that we could, we

30:42

could be there with him on new year's, but I

30:44

just thought it was crazy because, you

30:46

know, I'm a teenager and I'm,

30:48

I'm thinking, okay. Yeah.

30:50

So

30:52

what's going to happen because it clicks

30:54

back to zero, zero, everything's

30:56

going to lose its mind.

30:59

Yeah. It didn't, didn't make sense to me then.

31:01

And it's even dumber now, you

31:03

know, 23 years later when we're like, okay,

31:06

come on. Right. But, but

31:08

I mean, it was a legitimate panic.

31:11

I had friends that had to do some similar stuff.

31:14

Yeah. You know, I had, I had friends that

31:16

had to go into work at 11

31:19

o'clock, um, you

31:22

know, and, and make sure that

31:24

everything, everything was still

31:27

up and running for whatever their job was.

31:29

Yeah. Um, so, I mean, it was, I

31:32

had, I had another friend that

31:35

literally has a compound. Okay.

31:39

I mean, and he was, he was

31:41

loaded up. They had enough food in there

31:44

to go for two years. Oh,

31:46

nice. Yeah. I mean, so,

31:48

uh, you know, if

31:51

the zombie apocalypse happens, he's

31:53

set, you know? Well,

31:55

I need his address. Yeah. It

32:01

was just so bizarre, but

32:03

everybody was so panicked. You

32:05

know, and the people that weren't panicked are

32:08

just like, this is ridiculous. But in the back of

32:10

your mind, you're like, what if this does happen? You

32:12

know? Everybody in the back of your

32:14

mind had that little thing of, okay,

32:17

this is stupid, but if

32:19

it does happen. Yeah, yeah.

32:23

But like you said, it seems silly now,

32:26

but fear is a strong motivator.

32:30

And with all the changes during

32:32

the unraveling during this period,

32:36

fear was, of

32:39

what was gonna happen next prevailed,

32:42

okay? Fear of the unknown,

32:45

fear of what's waiting around

32:47

the corner for me. So

32:51

it made people on edge. So

32:54

the unraveling, it ended

32:57

with the financial crisis of 2008, okay? Now,

33:02

as I said earlier, how in Strauss

33:05

published their book, The Fourth Turning during

33:08

the unraveling in 1997. So

33:13

what they, so essentially they predicted

33:17

what would happen during

33:19

the coming fourth turning, okay?

33:22

Now understand, if you go out

33:25

and pick up this book, don't

33:27

expect to find a bunch of, you

33:30

know, Sylvia Brown-esque predictions,

33:33

okay? That's not what it is, okay?

33:36

They don't play psychic here. They're

33:39

not telling you, so-and-so is gonna

33:41

die. This country is gonna

33:43

take over Europe. It's

33:46

not like that. It's just-

33:48

Not an asparomansured type thing, where they're

33:51

reading asparagus. Right, it's, God,

33:55

I remember that. Yeah,

33:58

it's not like that. Okay,

34:01

it's more or less of, look,

34:03

something bad is going to happen. Something

34:06

really, really bad. Now

34:10

they could never have predicted

34:12

a global pandemic that would kill

34:14

millions of people. I

34:17

mean, I don't think that was on anybody's

34:19

radar, but it

34:21

sure fits the bill. Okay?

34:26

And all they were doing was extrapolating

34:28

what they had seen from the last

34:30

few hundred years from the

34:33

previous secular and

34:35

the secular before that. Okay?

34:39

So let's talk about what they were

34:41

looking at.

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38:39

Okay so 80

38:41

years ago, 80 years

38:44

ago during the last fourth

38:46

turning, America

38:48

was in the Great Depression which

38:51

eventually led into World War

38:53

II. 80 years before

38:56

that the United

38:59

States was in the grips of the Civil War.

39:02

Hmm. And 80 years before that

39:06

was the Revolutionary War.

39:08

Hmm. Interesting.

39:11

Yeah that is an interesting layout. Yeah and

39:13

you know again it's not exactly 80

39:16

years but it's roughly 80 to

39:19

90 years prior. So

39:22

when you look at that you're like okay well

39:24

here is evidence of at least

39:27

three secular. The

39:30

one we're in now, the

39:32

one that stretched from the

39:35

the end of the Civil War

39:38

up to the Great Depression, and

39:41

the one that went from the Revolutionary

39:43

War to the Civil War.

39:46

So those those three secular

39:49

seem to fit this

39:51

pattern that Howe and Strauss

39:53

identified. So remember

39:56

those things that I talked about at the top

39:58

of the show? The pandemic, the war. war, unemployment,

40:01

inflation, distrust, all that, we're

40:04

in the fourth turning. And unfortunately,

40:07

we still have a few

40:09

years left to endure. So

40:14

how do we change it? You

40:16

know, we've got, somebody's gotta change it.

40:20

We get rid of this book, The

40:22

Fourth Turning. And if we

40:25

don't have this book, Yeah.

40:28

then we don't even have to think about what this dude

40:30

is saying. Right. Right? And,

40:32

and what- Makes sense. But what he is saying is

40:35

that, it's not,

40:37

this is not something

40:39

that just is gonna happen. The,

40:44

one of the generations is gonna have to

40:46

step up and take charge

40:50

and lead the change. That's

40:52

what's happened in the previous

40:55

secular. So it's gonna

40:57

have to happen in this one for

41:00

us to advance from this

41:02

to the next, to for it to go

41:05

from the fourth turning to

41:07

a new first turning. Okay?

41:09

Okay. To get to that new high,

41:12

something has to happen.

41:15

And, you know, the rough

41:17

estimate is, you

41:20

know, sometime after 2028 is

41:24

when this first turning

41:26

would occur. So we still got

41:28

about five more years to go at least.

41:31

Yeah. Okay. Doesn't

41:34

necessarily mean things are gonna get worse. Okay.

41:38

It just means that, it's

41:40

gonna take that amount of time for a

41:42

generation to reach a point where they

41:44

can actually make a difference.

41:47

Okay. You know what this kind of sounds

41:50

like to me?

41:52

And it may be where, like,

41:54

I don't know. Something

41:58

tells me they,

42:00

they got...

42:03

if you can't tell by my comments

42:06

and my commentary on this, I'm highly

42:08

skeptical. Yeah, but

42:12

I'm playing along with them anyway, but

42:16

something tells me that they got this from

42:19

one of the ancient

42:22

people's legends, because

42:24

there is an ancient Aztec legend

42:27

that a lot of times people now call

42:30

it the legend of five sons, like

42:33

S-U-N-S, not S-O-N-S,

42:35

but it's a four

42:38

cycle period of birth, death,

42:40

and reincarnation, and this happens four

42:42

times, and then there has to be

42:45

the death of a god, like

42:47

they sacrifice a god, and

42:49

this creates a new son, which then

42:51

creates a new world. And

42:54

so as you started talking about it, that's

42:58

what I immediately flashed to, and

43:00

I can't think of the other terms

43:02

for it. I know there's a couple other legends that I've

43:04

heard, but it all has

43:07

a four cycle,

43:09

and in each cycle

43:12

it's not all the same, like it's not in

43:14

the fourth turning where it's 80 years, so 20

43:17

years per cycle. It's not that,

43:19

but they all have different

43:22

lengths, whether it's a hundred years or 400

43:25

years per cycle, they all

43:28

have four cycles, and

43:30

after the fourth cycle there is a complete

43:33

restart of

43:36

the world. And some people

43:38

have said, like the Aztec

43:40

thing, it doesn't mean

43:42

that

43:44

there is a whole new world, like

43:46

the earth disintegrates and then comes back together

43:48

and restarts. But

43:51

people have attributed to this the

43:55

theories like you and I have of ancient

43:58

peoples being more Right. Yeah.

44:02

And we give them credit for. And then there being

44:04

some cataclysm that happens

44:07

and restarting civilization,

44:10

basically. That's kind of

44:12

the theory behind this

44:14

Aztec thing is that people will advance and advance

44:16

and advance and advance birth,

44:20

death, reincarnation, four

44:23

cycles of this. And then some

44:27

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44:29

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44:31

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As you're going. going through what these

48:01

guys are saying and I just lost their names,

48:05

how and Strauss, what

48:07

how and Strauss seem to be saying

48:09

is it seems to be going along this

48:11

Aztec theory

48:14

and don't yell at me. I know there's

48:17

other groups that have thought this,

48:19

but the, I'm yelling, I'm yelling. I know.

48:21

Well, Twitter is, but I don't know

48:24

about you. Um,

48:26

but

48:28

the one I can remember is the Aztec name. But

48:30

it seems like maybe

48:33

they got it from that. Maybe they, you

48:35

know, they started looking at it and

48:38

then it spurred their research into time

48:42

cycles and stuff like that. But one

48:45

of the problems I have with the time cycle thing

48:47

is they say, well

48:49

it's 80 years, but

48:52

then they also say, well,

48:54

it's not exactly 80 years. Yeah.

48:56

And anytime somebody

48:59

tries to predict what

49:02

is going to happen based on what

49:04

has happened and they give a definite and

49:08

then they retract the definite later

49:10

and say, well, it's about, I'm

49:13

super skeptical. Yeah. I

49:15

have, I have a hard time because there's

49:19

no definite. You can't

49:22

in my experience and

49:24

I'm going to use it to, use a definite

49:27

to prove a non-definite. But

49:30

I have never seen anything

49:34

happen where somebody says always or never that it's

49:37

true. At no

49:39

point have I witnessed somebody say, well, it's always

49:41

this way or it's never this

49:44

way. Right. I have

49:46

not seen that be accurate. Right.

49:48

It's most, most often or

49:51

most likely to or less likely to, but there's

49:54

never a definite. So when

49:56

I, I have a hard time with

49:58

anything like this.

49:59

forth turning

50:01

thing. It's fascinating what

50:04

they've put together and stuff like that. But

50:07

I just, I have a hard time. That's why

50:09

all of my

50:11

smart, alicky comments have been

50:13

that way and kind of, uh,

50:15

snarky as just my, my skepticism

50:18

on the subject. Well, and, and you're

50:20

right to be skeptical, but the

50:22

one thing that, the one thing

50:25

that I have a hard time with,

50:28

um, with this idea of the,

50:30

of the, the fourth turning,

50:33

um, is that you have to

50:36

literally view time

50:39

as being linear. Yeah. Yep.

50:41

That's another problem. And

50:44

as much as you and I have

50:47

researched things

50:49

and looked at, at these theories

50:52

and ideas, I just,

50:55

I don't feel like anything that, that

50:57

requires time to be linear is

51:00

going to be accurate. No. So

51:03

let, let me get through this next part

51:06

and then we'll, we'll kind of hit, hit it a little

51:08

bit harder. Um, so

51:12

we were talking about a

51:15

generation having to step up and

51:18

make the difference to, to

51:20

force the change. Okay. Who

51:23

though, who is that generation

51:25

who is going to be responsible for this? So

51:30

according to how in Strauss, each

51:32

turning produces its own character

51:35

type or our archea type, the

51:38

profits, the nomads,

51:42

heroes and artists.

51:45

Okay. So according to how,

51:48

if we are now in the crisis stage

51:50

or the fourth turning, we are

51:53

in the millennial secular.

51:56

That began after war war two.

52:01

So, he says essentially winter

52:03

is here and

52:06

we can expect a new

52:08

first turning sometime

52:10

in the 2030s. And

52:14

that winter is here, I think

52:17

is from the new book, if he had

52:19

used that phrase and then Game

52:21

of Thrones comes

52:24

up with it out of it like, wait a minute. But

52:27

I think this

52:29

was essentially using something that

52:31

everybody was familiar with hearing, or

52:34

at least most people. And if he didn't

52:37

make mention in

52:40

that book, the writing that

52:42

this is intentionally

52:44

satirical use of winter

52:47

is here or winter is coming,

52:49

whatever, then I

52:52

want to

52:53

pop him in the back of the head. If

52:58

any of this is true,

53:01

let's say he's 100% accurate when

53:03

he goes, winter is here.

53:06

You've lost all credibility. Nope,

53:09

I'm done with you. I can't take it because

53:11

it's a meme, it's a TV show. You've

53:17

lost all credibility, sir. You

53:20

didn't have much to stand on anyway,

53:22

but you have totally lost it now with the winter

53:24

is here. Yeah. Well,

53:27

it's interesting that you use

53:29

that term because William Strauss, he

53:32

was a satirist. I

53:34

mean, that was his style. Could

53:38

this whole thing. Could be. I

53:42

think

53:44

together they

53:46

put

53:48

this information out in a way that it was easy

53:51

to digest or at least easier

53:53

than it would be.

53:57

Trying to dumb it down for us millennials? Yeah,

54:00

maybe not dumb it down, but but

54:04

make it more entertaining I

54:07

think is a better way, you know where it

54:09

doesn't look so One

54:12

it doesn't look so woo-woo and

54:15

and it doesn't seem like it's

54:17

just somebody's yanking

54:20

these ideas out of the ether and putting

54:22

them on you know, like it's you

54:25

know a Mathematical

54:27

equation or something, you know, it's it's not

54:30

that it's not that at all So

54:33

I think that that probably helped

54:36

that Strauss, you know was was

54:38

that style of rider But

54:41

let's look at look at these archetypes

54:44

though Like

54:47

the the boomer generation the baby

54:49

boomers, okay

54:53

That's the profit archetype,

54:55

okay That's the people

54:57

saying hey something

55:00

bad's coming You know,

55:02

we got to wake up, you know,

55:04

something terrible is coming in the future

55:07

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were

55:10

both boomers and profits

55:14

Okay, both predicted that one

55:16

day everyone would own a computer

55:19

Okay, and not just big corporations

55:22

not just the the government the military

55:26

Everyone would own a computer and

55:28

at the time That

55:30

seemed absurd Well

55:33

now and now everybody walks around

55:35

with a computer in their pocket Yeah

55:38

at the time. Yeah, the the computers

55:40

took up a whole room Exactly

55:42

and we're like punch card style computers.

55:45

Uh-huh So, you know gates

55:47

even predicted a crisis like COVID-19

55:50

about five years before it actually

55:52

happened Remember I saw

55:54

that video so many times when this stuff started

55:58

but

55:59

and the Authors of the turning

56:02

of the fourth turning How

56:04

and Strauss are both boomers and

56:06

they're both prophets in a sense, you

56:08

know They're predicting something bad is coming

56:11

change is it coming? Now

56:14

winter is coming now. Here's

56:16

my bunch the Gen Xers,

56:19

okay

56:22

The general Gen X generation

56:25

We are the nomads, okay People

56:28

like Elon Musk

56:31

They build things that

56:33

move us from one place to another

56:36

Nomadic devices We

56:39

got to get from this thing to the

56:41

next thing. We are here.

56:43

We want to go there or Anywhere

56:46

else? Okay, we've got

56:48

to move so don't think of it is yeah

56:51

Elon Musk He but

56:53

he builds literal things that take

56:55

us from one point to another But

56:57

you got to think of it in a broader

57:00

scope, you know, we're You

57:03

know, we're in in in this situation.

57:06

We have to advance to the

57:08

next situation. Okay You

57:11

know, we we need to accomplish this

57:14

We've got to create something that's gonna get

57:16

us there. Okay The

57:20

Millennials Who

57:22

are the people raised during

57:24

the unraveling? Okay,

57:27

so Adam you're you're right on the

57:29

cusp

57:30

Yeah, you're like part.

57:33

I'm like an egg. Yeah part Gen

57:35

X or part millennial But with

57:37

with you know with your personality, I've

57:40

known you long enough You're you're more Gen

57:42

X than you are millennial for sure Yeah,

57:45

no doubt But

57:48

but the Millennials are the people who were raised

57:51

during the unraveling These

57:53

people how predicts will become the heroes

57:56

Okay, these

57:58

are the people like the Parkland High

58:00

students who survived

58:03

the shooting and went on

58:05

to lobby for gun control. These

58:08

are the frontline healthcare workers who put

58:10

their own health aside to care for

58:13

others. People

58:15

like Malala Yousafie

58:18

who spoke out for education

58:21

rights of Pakistani children and

58:23

was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize at age 17.

58:28

These are the people that are going to make

58:31

the change. We're

58:34

not sure what Gen Z is going to do. The

58:39

expectation is that this

58:41

is where the next generations,

58:44

writers, musicians, and

58:47

poets are going to come from. They

58:50

are going to be the artists. The

58:53

artists are the ones who put

58:56

the language in

58:59

the forefront. They

59:01

create the songs

59:04

that become the rallying cries,

59:07

the books that

59:09

change people's lives.

59:15

When you look back and you think,

59:18

the songs that people

59:21

like John Lennon, Elvis,

59:24

The Beatles, the

59:26

songs that they wrote became

59:29

iconic in a lot of

59:31

ways. They've been

59:34

used as anthems for

59:39

entire movements. Gen

59:43

Z is where these people are

59:45

going to come from. Our next

59:47

Bill Withers. bring

1:00:00

music into this. Let's get, you know, but

1:00:02

you ain't rallying crap. Does

1:00:04

that, does that not sound just like our parents,

1:00:08

you know, what is garbage

1:00:10

y'all listen to? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:13

That sounds, you mean that band is called, you

1:00:16

mean that band is called rancid? Yeah.

1:00:19

I see it. Their music is rancid. I,

1:00:22

I gotta say I, I don't,

1:00:25

I don't look at all of the music that

1:00:28

my kids listened to and, and

1:00:31

just go, Oh, it's crap. Some

1:00:34

of it is, but some of it's

1:00:36

not. But

1:00:39

you know, I, and my parents didn't

1:00:41

really go, your music is crap. They were just uninterested

1:00:44

in any of the music that I was interested

1:00:46

in. Well, I think technically,

1:00:49

Matt, your youngest kids

1:00:53

and

1:00:54

my kid are younger

1:00:56

than Gen Z. They're the even

1:00:59

next. I don't know what they are. Yeah.

1:01:01

Um,

1:01:02

zoomer. I don't know what they are.

1:01:05

They're, they're something,

1:01:06

but

1:01:08

they seem, and this is just a

1:01:11

musical tangent because these,

1:01:13

uh,

1:01:14

how and Strauss are

1:01:17

getting on my nerves a little bit, but the

1:01:20

musical tangent is, uh,

1:01:23

I've noticed they are listening to music

1:01:26

that I grew up with. Exactly. They

1:01:29

are going back to my

1:01:31

music, like

1:01:33

Metallica,

1:01:34

Green Day, uh, you

1:01:37

know, Nirvana, the

1:01:39

eighties and nineties music. And

1:01:42

now some can say that was

1:01:44

crap. I'll, there were some

1:01:46

crap bands in there. I give you that. I still

1:01:48

liked them, but they were there, but

1:01:52

it Gen Z. When

1:01:55

I look at some of their music, I,

1:01:58

I worry about how. I'm so

1:02:00

prophetic how in Strauss

1:02:03

are because I say

1:02:06

again, some of these songs I

1:02:08

have heard ain't going to

1:02:10

rally nothing. Except

1:02:13

rally a bunch of us old men to

1:02:15

go turn that volume knob

1:02:17

down. That's all they're rallying. Yeah.

1:02:19

But you know what's interesting is I

1:02:23

did the same thing that

1:02:26

my kids have done. I mean,

1:02:28

I got an 11 year

1:02:30

old that can sing Grateful Dead songs.

1:02:36

But even the Grateful Dead

1:02:38

is an example. That

1:02:41

music is actually outside

1:02:43

of my generation. I didn't

1:02:46

grow up listening

1:02:48

to the Grateful Dead because

1:02:50

it was for the generation before

1:02:53

me. They

1:02:55

covered many generations, so

1:02:58

I got into them in the 80s when they were

1:03:01

kind of changing with

1:03:04

the times. But Led

1:03:07

Zeppelin, bands

1:03:09

like that, I had a bit of Pink Floyd. I

1:03:13

got into Pink Floyd like a lot of my friends

1:03:15

did. The Doors was another

1:03:17

one. I listen

1:03:19

to a lot of them too. Now I

1:03:22

exclude the Beatles

1:03:25

or Elvis because in a lot of ways,

1:03:28

the music that they produced was ...

1:03:30

it kind

1:03:33

of transcends time. I mean, you

1:03:35

know, they're songs. It's

1:03:40

like when you listen to ... Oh,

1:03:43

what's her name? At Last. At

1:03:46

Last. What do you mean? Oh yeah,

1:03:48

yeah, yeah. I

1:03:50

can't think of her name. Is that James?

1:03:52

Am I right? Yeah. I

1:03:54

know the song. Amanda loves that and I can't ever

1:03:57

remember. She's going to be mad at

1:03:59

you. Maybe. What's new?

1:04:02

She never gets mad at me. Anyway, but

1:04:06

you know, they kind of transcend

1:04:08

the generations. But nonetheless,

1:04:11

I did it. My

1:04:13

kids are doing it. Their kids are gonna do

1:04:16

it too. I think

1:04:18

their kids may be a little disappointed, but

1:04:21

you know when they go back to mom and dad music. But

1:04:24

I don't know that

1:04:26

Gen Z as a generation

1:04:29

has matured enough

1:04:31

to actually be in that position yet.

1:04:34

Okay, maybe so when they

1:04:36

when they begin to get into

1:04:38

their their 20s and

1:04:41

30s. That's when you're gonna see

1:04:44

these people it you know emerge

1:04:46

and like

1:04:47

you know for Piper

1:04:49

you know that's 10-15

1:04:50

more years.

1:04:52

Yeah, she's gonna be right in her mid 20s. So

1:04:55

and that's true because

1:04:57

despite what laws

1:05:00

say and people say your

1:05:03

brain doesn't fully develop

1:05:05

until your mid to late 20s. You know

1:05:07

your frontal cortex is

1:05:10

not fully developed for guys sometimes

1:05:12

until like 28 or 29. Right.

1:05:15

So you know girls

1:05:17

sometimes it's like 25 or something

1:05:19

but you're technically not in

1:05:22

your adult brain until

1:05:25

your late 20s early 30s maybe.

1:05:28

And so I can see that thought

1:05:31

that you know up until they

1:05:33

hit late 20s there

1:05:35

are still kids and they may not develop

1:05:37

into their quote poet

1:05:39

artist title that how

1:05:42

and Strauss were saying. But

1:05:44

when you when you when look back at the

1:05:46

theory at the idea that

1:05:49

you know history does repeat itself in

1:05:52

these you know approximate

1:05:55

80-year blocks.

1:05:58

My I told you you want. My

1:06:01

issue with having to look at this is

1:06:03

linear. Even

1:06:05

when you draw it out, it's

1:06:08

linear, dude. It's

1:06:11

a timeline. That's what you're drawing. That's

1:06:13

what goes on. I have

1:06:15

trouble with that, but I

1:06:18

also have trouble with the

1:06:21

potential for there to be bias. If

1:06:24

you come up with this theory, you

1:06:27

can find enough events

1:06:30

in history to make it fit.

1:06:33

Dude, that was my absolute

1:06:36

next comment. It was going to be,

1:06:39

if you look at history and you

1:06:41

take it on, like you're saying,

1:06:43

a stagnant, straight timeline,

1:06:46

if you lay history out, I

1:06:49

could go through and start marking

1:06:52

major events and then counting

1:06:54

decades or counting years

1:06:57

and go, okay, this is five years apart.

1:06:59

You could break it down

1:07:01

macro or micro,

1:07:03

either one you want to do. You can

1:07:05

draw a connection between

1:07:08

events when there is

1:07:10

no connection there. You

1:07:13

could say, okay, my

1:07:16

birthday is

1:07:19

six months before Ashley's

1:07:22

birthday. Well, then Ashley's

1:07:24

birthday is however many

1:07:26

years and six months

1:07:28

from her mom's birthday. You

1:07:30

could make

1:07:33

this connection that, oh,

1:07:35

Ashley and I were meant to be together because

1:07:38

the stars aligned in that six month period,

1:07:40

but da da da da

1:07:43

da. You can make a connection

1:07:45

anytime you draw

1:07:48

out a timeline and

1:07:50

start marking dates. Then like

1:07:52

you said, if there is a bias going

1:07:55

into this theory, then

1:07:57

you are going to devote. develop

1:08:01

whatever Weird

1:08:03

bias you have around

1:08:05

these dates and you're going to say oh

1:08:08

look you know this

1:08:10

group these are the the prophets

1:08:13

because Weirdly enough.

1:08:16

I'm in that group and I'm Sign

1:08:19

yeah about what's gonna happen I mean

1:08:21

that has nothing to do with anything, but

1:08:23

I just happen to be in the prophetic group and

1:08:25

I'm writing a prophetic book About

1:08:29

what's going to happen. Oh and the next generation,

1:08:31

you know, they're nomads Because

1:08:34

they're all over the place and those dang

1:08:37

hippies and they didn't have you know

1:08:39

They lived in vans and they're nomads

1:08:42

and you know, so I feel there

1:08:44

is a a huge bias From

1:08:47

these authors and I think that

1:08:49

Strauss guy may have put more satire

1:08:52

in this Then how thought

1:08:54

he did and Strauss could have

1:08:57

been screwing with how this whole time

1:09:00

Could have I mean he definitely

1:09:02

could have the best con

1:09:04

he's ever pulled the best satire He's

1:09:07

ever done. Nobody thinks his set

1:09:09

but how satisfying do you

1:09:11

think it is for Neil Howe? And

1:09:15

and I and I say this kind of tongue-in-cheek when

1:09:20

The global pandemic began in 2020

1:09:24

right in the middle of what he

1:09:26

was saying was the crisis

1:09:29

period and

1:09:31

Here comes an enormous unprecedented

1:09:34

crisis

1:09:36

And and so you

1:09:40

Something like that happens and I'm not

1:09:43

I'm not saying it was a coincidence

1:09:45

But something like that happens and

1:09:48

it confirms your bias and Yeah,

1:09:52

you know next thing you know, I

1:09:54

I really am a prophet. Oh

1:09:56

Dude, he was he was dancing up

1:09:59

and quickly right the fourth turning

1:10:01

is here. Oh yeah! As soon

1:10:03

as that hit he probably started right

1:10:06

and had that thing done in a month. Yeah, yeah

1:10:09

because I mean you're just

1:10:11

it's confirmation bias is all

1:10:13

it is. Sure. Now

1:10:16

let's assume for a moment

1:10:19

that he's on to something

1:10:21

and this is really how it goes. So the

1:10:24

idea would be over the

1:10:26

next five to ten years as we

1:10:28

move out of this period of crisis

1:10:31

things are gonna get a hell of

1:10:33

a lot better.

1:10:36

Okay. It's

1:10:39

possible.

1:10:40

My thought on it is is

1:10:43

it's probably not gonna get a whole hell of a lot

1:10:45

worse. There's

1:10:47

a long-standing

1:10:51

saying everybody knows

1:10:53

that it's probably goes back to Grecian

1:10:56

times or before then. Things are

1:10:58

always darkest before the dawn. So

1:11:04

if he gives us a long enough period,

1:11:07

yeah

1:11:08

things are gonna get better. Yeah, you

1:11:10

know I mean I hate to

1:11:13

be this skeptical

1:11:15

of something because I tried to

1:11:17

keep an open mind about everything but he

1:11:20

lost me when he started. I mean

1:11:23

I have this problem with most

1:11:26

people who try to predict things

1:11:29

that are going to come true based on

1:11:31

what's happened in the past.

1:11:34

I have this

1:11:36

immediate aversion to it but

1:11:39

he's taking an

1:11:41

easy swing at this by saying things are gonna

1:11:43

get better because yeah

1:11:46

at some point I'm sure they are. Yeah,

1:11:49

yeah

1:11:50

but you know if you add

1:11:53

a few details in

1:11:55

with

1:11:56

the secular prior to the one we're

1:11:58

in right now.

1:12:00

So if that ended at

1:12:02

with the Great Depression and then

1:12:04

war the World War II, and

1:12:07

then it's the victory in World

1:12:09

War II that starts

1:12:11

the first turning. Not the actual

1:12:13

war because that

1:12:16

sucked too. You know,

1:12:19

we lost a lot of American lives. You

1:12:23

know, life was hard in this country

1:12:26

while we had so many soldiers overseas.

1:12:30

But let's look, 20 years prior

1:12:32

to that, if we're going to say 46, so

1:12:35

if we go to 1926

1:12:39

when that fourth turning would have begun,

1:12:42

then what was going on

1:12:44

just prior to that? The

1:12:46

Roaring Twenties, you

1:12:48

know, Prohibition, you

1:12:50

know, all of that was going

1:12:54

on, and that would have been that

1:12:56

messy period. You

1:12:58

know, the whole

1:13:02

New York gangsters and

1:13:04

all that kind of stuff, the Cotton Club

1:13:06

and all of

1:13:08

that, things were

1:13:10

changing and not necessarily

1:13:13

for the better. So

1:13:16

the 20 years prior to that, what

1:13:19

are we looking at? Okay, so we're jumping

1:13:21

to roughly the turn

1:13:23

of the century here.

1:13:26

Thomas Edison, you

1:13:27

know, inventions,

1:13:30

the Industrial Revolution, those

1:13:33

type of things are occurring. What do

1:13:36

we know? That's the awakening. It's

1:13:39

a period of innovation.

1:13:41

You know,

1:13:44

it's a period of

1:13:47

individualism. You

1:13:49

know, people are waking up going, hey, you know,

1:13:51

I want to do this. It's really

1:13:53

tough to see individualism

1:13:56

in that period of time based on the history

1:13:58

that we know.

1:13:59

Okay,

1:14:00

I mean when you read the history books, it doesn't

1:14:03

really paint that kind of picture. You

1:14:06

know that everything but but you think about spiritualism

1:14:09

was was really big in that time. True.

1:14:12

You know people were people were branching

1:14:15

out looking for

1:14:16

looking for answers. You

1:14:18

know

1:14:20

so I guess you could say yeah

1:14:22

it fits in there too and then prior

1:14:24

to that you're

1:14:26

looking at the period that's just after

1:14:29

the Civil War.

1:14:31

So you know it's

1:14:33

it's rebirth the unification

1:14:36

of the United States once again.

1:14:40

It's expansion you know manifest

1:14:43

destiny

1:14:44

you know we're going we're going west.

1:14:47

You know all of that was going on so

1:14:50

things were things were better.

1:14:52

How could it how could it be any worse you're just

1:14:54

coming off a Civil War. It can't get it can't

1:14:57

get any worse than this you

1:14:59

know so things had to get better and

1:15:01

they did get better.

1:15:03

Okay

1:15:04

so again all I've

1:15:06

done is I've just

1:15:08

picked out events that fit

1:15:12

okay right they fit in that.

1:15:15

But to me it's more okay innovators exist through

1:15:18

that entire 80 year block.

1:15:21

Yeah change occurs all

1:15:23

through that 80 year block. I

1:15:29

mean if if there's any constant

1:15:31

in life it's change okay.

1:15:34

Yep

1:15:34

exactly

1:15:35

yeah you know if

1:15:37

we're gonna say what can you predict change. That

1:15:42

it's going to be different it may

1:15:44

be better it may be worse but it's going to be different you know

1:15:47

things are going to be different. You

1:15:49

know the only two sure things in life are change

1:15:51

in taxes. Change

1:15:54

in taxes. Yeah,

1:16:00

death. Death isn't even a constant. We're

1:16:02

going to, we're going to overcome that. At

1:16:05

some point, these, uh, who

1:16:07

are they? The, the millennials

1:16:10

or the nomads, I don't know which one, but

1:16:12

one of them is going to fix death. Yeah.

1:16:15

Yeah. Well, in some ways we have,

1:16:18

um, you know, the, the,

1:16:20

the average life span is a hell of a lot longer

1:16:23

now than it was a hundred years ago. That's

1:16:25

true. You know, people will be like, Oh

1:16:28

man, that guy's 45 Lord. What?

1:16:31

He is ancient. You know,

1:16:33

how did, how did he live this long? What's

1:16:35

your secret to your longevity? Well,

1:16:40

it, it, it's those nomads and millennials

1:16:42

that fix these non filter

1:16:44

cigarettes that I've been smoking. Oh

1:16:47

yeah. That's it. They're,

1:16:49

they're good for the lungs, man. They're good for the

1:16:51

long. And you know, you're

1:16:54

a hundred percent right on that

1:16:56

with you cannot

1:16:59

put one specific

1:17:02

label on one specific generation

1:17:06

for change or for artistry

1:17:08

or for whatever. Cause look at the artistry

1:17:11

that came out

1:17:12

from our

1:17:13

generations. Look

1:17:15

at the artistry that came out in

1:17:18

the, the profit generation,

1:17:20

the, the quote, no magic, all

1:17:23

of these people had some amazing artists.

1:17:25

All of them had amazing inventors.

1:17:28

All of them had, you

1:17:30

know,

1:17:31

amazing criminals

1:17:34

and do batters. If

1:17:36

there's do-gooders, there's got to be do batters, right? But,

1:17:40

uh, and the

1:17:42

other problem I have with it is they are

1:17:44

only putting it on. The

1:17:47

U S history, they're

1:17:50

not basing this on a long

1:17:52

enough timeframe before

1:17:55

the United States was

1:17:58

a country. They're

1:18:00

not going back through say ancient

1:18:03

native american yeah cycles they're

1:18:06

not going back to ancient britain and i know some

1:18:08

of that would be hard with records

1:18:10

and stuff but in the

1:18:13

grand scheme of history. The

1:18:15

united states is not a long

1:18:18

enough block in my opinion to

1:18:21

make such claim that

1:18:23

they're making right now these

1:18:25

are these are some. Very.

1:18:30

Pointed claims some very

1:18:33

definite claims about

1:18:35

eighty year periods and turnings

1:18:38

and stuff that i don't think

1:18:41

you can make with such a small. Data

1:18:44

set well i think in some ways

1:18:46

it makes it easier because

1:18:48

you know the united states is so

1:18:50

young comparative to the rest of the world.

1:18:54

It does make it easier for them i mean you know you've

1:18:56

got.

1:18:57

You you've got a.

1:19:00

A very.

1:19:02

Relatively speaking small data set

1:19:05

to play with okay and i think

1:19:07

that's why they focused on the us plus you know

1:19:09

that was the history that was most accessible.

1:19:13

I would be interested in and they don't

1:19:15

make any claims that this that

1:19:18

the secular model. What's

1:19:21

going on around the world that

1:19:24

at this very time where we're in

1:19:26

the fourth turning that you

1:19:28

know another country could be beginning

1:19:30

there. Their new their

1:19:32

first turning you know they're new away or

1:19:35

they could be.

1:19:37

You know

1:19:38

going into that awakening period

1:19:40

into the second turning and what

1:19:43

i would be interested in knowing is. You

1:19:46

know for our international listeners.

1:19:49

Look at look back at me it

1:19:52

takes ten minutes let me look

1:19:54

back at your own history.

1:19:57

Or at least what you what you were taught

1:19:59

in school.

1:19:59

and and see

1:20:02

if you can make events fit

1:20:03

you know you know wars

1:20:06

and and crisis and political

1:20:08

unrest and upheaval any

1:20:11

of that you know take take those

1:20:14

major events and and see

1:20:16

if they fit into these semi 20

1:20:21

year blocks and

1:20:23

and if it matches what

1:20:26

you know how and Strauss are saying

1:20:29

free for you and and where does

1:20:31

no where would you be you know where

1:20:33

would you put your country you

1:20:36

know in in the in the secular

1:20:39

you know are you guys in a fourth turning

1:20:41

two you you would you would certainly

1:20:44

think that the fact that Covid

1:20:46

affected the entire world

1:20:49

that we would all be in a crisis

1:20:51

but that's not necessarily true you

1:20:54

know or and someone else's

1:20:56

you know that this may have this may

1:20:59

have ended you know their fourth

1:21:01

turning and they're already seeing awakening

1:21:04

I I think for a lot of

1:21:06

countries

1:21:08

they're right in line with us if you

1:21:10

want to square them into this pigeonhole

1:21:13

them into this this frame you

1:21:16

know especially if you're looking at

1:21:18

what's going on in Israel

1:21:20

right now what's going on with

1:21:23

Russia and Ukraine I you know

1:21:25

I don't think anybody is gonna look at that and go

1:21:27

yeah they're not in a crisis yet yeah

1:21:30

kidding me I mean well

1:21:33

I don't know how you get in a worse one and

1:21:35

that that brings up a good point

1:21:37

they're basing this on the

1:21:40

US timeline

1:21:43

however you

1:21:45

know some of the examples

1:21:48

are

1:21:49

global yeah yeah and I

1:21:51

know they they anything nowadays

1:21:54

that happens globally affects everybody

1:21:57

I get that but if

1:22:00

you're basing it on just a US thing,

1:22:03

then it should be just US examples.

1:22:06

But I mean, I

1:22:10

think it's good that we're

1:22:13

talking about this because

1:22:16

the fourth turning is here book. I

1:22:19

mean, that's a recent publication

1:22:22

of that book. So, you know,

1:22:25

three years ago, so

1:22:28

it's going to get traction with

1:22:30

people. And I can

1:22:33

see how it's very

1:22:36

easy to go, oh

1:22:39

my God, they're right.

1:22:41

Exactly. And

1:22:42

I feel

1:22:45

like that's one reason I'm

1:22:47

being a little hard on it is

1:22:49

just because I want to make sure

1:22:52

there is another viewpoint,

1:22:56

an alternate viewpoint to what

1:23:00

he's saying, because

1:23:02

some people might not look at it as skeptically

1:23:05

as you or I do. And

1:23:08

if you're listening to this, and you're one of those that

1:23:10

aren't thinking about it skeptically, please think about

1:23:13

it skeptically. Yeah. And

1:23:16

I'm not necessarily, and I don't think you

1:23:18

are either necessarily saying that Howe and Strauss

1:23:21

were completely wrong or totally

1:23:23

off base. I

1:23:25

just don't think you can, you

1:23:28

can't force history into this, into

1:23:33

something that is so defined.

1:23:36

Even with loose, with

1:23:43

loose definition, I

1:23:46

still don't think you can do it. I mean,

1:23:48

it just, you

1:23:50

can make it fit good

1:23:53

enough, you know,

1:23:56

and you put it out there.

1:23:59

I just, I think it's just not

1:24:02

that easy. Yeah. The

1:24:04

data sets not large enough. The timeline

1:24:07

is not long enough. And

1:24:09

again, you're, you're thinking

1:24:11

time is linear. You're,

1:24:14

you're thinking everything happens on

1:24:17

a linear basis

1:24:19

when we

1:24:20

know that's not the case. I

1:24:22

mean, even Einstein knew

1:24:26

that that wasn't the case,

1:24:28

but.

1:24:31

I think

1:24:33

they have, they

1:24:36

have a good theory,

1:24:41

but I don't, I

1:24:44

feel like in my opinion, they are

1:24:46

being too definite

1:24:48

about

1:24:49

a theory that

1:24:50

is unproven

1:24:54

and you can

1:25:01

cause too much damage by,

1:25:04

like you said, pigeonholing, pigeonholing

1:25:07

generations, pigeonholing

1:25:10

decades and pigeonholing history

1:25:13

into your biases. Yeah. And

1:25:15

I think when, when you said there's biases,

1:25:18

I feel like that's a, a

1:25:21

very valid

1:25:24

description of this. There's a lot of biases,

1:25:28

personal biases. And

1:25:31

this prophecy

1:25:33

and you and I

1:25:36

have talked before, it's just like when we did the,

1:25:39

um,

1:25:40

what's her name, I just lost her name.

1:25:42

We mentioned her Sylvia Brown, Sylvia

1:25:44

Brown. Yeah. When,

1:25:47

when we did the Sylvia Brown episode, it

1:25:49

sounds on the surface

1:25:52

great. But when you start

1:25:54

breaking it down, there's

1:25:56

some big discrepancies

1:25:59

in there. that you have to consider

1:26:02

when you're looking at this. And

1:26:06

it feels very Nostradamus-esque.

1:26:10

Yeah. Where

1:26:13

Nostradamus said some

1:26:15

things in a cryptic way that

1:26:18

seem like they fit now. And

1:26:22

we can go back in time

1:26:26

and make some of Nostradamus's

1:26:29

predictions fit historical

1:26:32

events and say, see, he

1:26:34

was 100% accurate. But

1:26:37

it's because we sweep

1:26:39

under the rug all the ones that were wrong. And

1:26:42

I think in a way that's what this

1:26:46

turning cycle does

1:26:49

is it puts

1:26:52

in the forefront all the things that fit

1:26:55

that 20

1:26:56

year cycle. But

1:26:59

like you said, it negates the

1:27:02

things that don't fit. And

1:27:04

it doesn't put those in the limelight

1:27:06

as well. Cause if you did, it would

1:27:09

get too muddy to be able to put into

1:27:11

this timeline. Yeah. Yeah,

1:27:13

I agree. I agree. But

1:27:16

what do you guys think?

1:27:17

You know, you've heard what we think and

1:27:20

you've heard this theory. Maybe

1:27:22

some of you have probably even read this book.

1:27:26

Let us know. I would love

1:27:29

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1:27:31

in Australia said, yeah,

1:27:33

Australian history fits right into this or,

1:27:36

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1:27:38

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1:27:40

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