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to Greatest Trek, it's a new

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Star Trek Podcast. By

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the makers of The Greatest Generation, I'm Ben

1:35

Harrison. I'm Adam Pranika. You

1:37

know like 98% of our

1:40

viewership has

1:42

not put it together? That

1:44

by saying that we're saying this is a

1:46

Star Trek podcast about new Star Trek? They're

1:51

just focused on the anus part. Like how

1:53

long has this show been doing shows? Like

1:55

five years? It's not a new show anymore.

1:58

It's a show about new Star Trek. Yeah,

2:00

a new Star Trek podcast, not a

2:02

new Star Trek podcast. Indeed.

2:08

How's your day going, man? Oh,

2:11

got a belly full of fish

2:14

salad. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

2:18

Those sound like comedy ingredients, Ben.

2:21

Belly full of fish salad. I actually did

2:23

my first Make a Recipe

2:26

on social media video during our

2:28

recent Max Fun Drive, where I

2:30

showed a lunch that I

2:32

have multiple times a week, which is just basically

2:35

a tarted up

2:37

coleslaw with some canned fish in there. Delicious.

2:39

That's amazing. I'm a canned fish guy. I

2:42

never think about sticking it in anything else.

2:44

I had smoked oysters for lunch today, a

2:46

little can of those and some crackers. A

2:49

little conserva. Yeah. Real

2:51

nice. Boy, so we've both

2:53

got the bounty of the sea and

2:55

the can inside our birdies.

2:58

We're ready to go. Our

3:00

emergency kits are empty

3:02

completely, which

3:06

is how you want it. Yeah, that's

3:08

the way to go. Do

3:11

you want to jump into today's

3:13

episode of Star Trek Cullen Discovery?

3:16

Sure do, Ben. We should give a warning

3:18

to our listeners, though. There

3:21

may be some flashing images during

3:24

this podcast. Yeah. If

3:26

you're sensitive to flashing images, don't

3:28

listen to this podcast. It

3:32

is about Star Trek Discovery

3:35

Season 5 Episode 4 Face

3:37

the Strange. You know

3:39

the greatest danger facing us is the irrational fear

3:41

of the unknown. Ben,

3:46

it kind of bumps me a little

3:48

bit when we get the warning message

3:50

written in the Klingon subtitle font from

3:53

like Season 1 Episode 1 Star Trek

3:55

Discovery. Like, flashing

3:58

place! Wait,

4:01

did you actually get a flashing light message? Yeah,

4:03

did you not? I don't, I

4:05

did not see one on mine. You must have been looking

4:07

away during. There was a

4:09

flashing images warning written in

4:11

the Klingon subtitle font as

4:14

like the first image from the show. Was

4:16

this before or after the logo

4:19

for Star Trek Discovery? Think it

4:21

was before. Didn't

4:24

happen on my screener. I must have gotten

4:26

a different version of the screener, that's weird.

4:29

I don't love that. I wonder if anything else

4:31

is different. Yeah, we're about to find

4:33

out. Did you begin 15 hours ago? Did

4:37

we watch the same episode? I did

4:39

begin 15 hours ago and

4:41

presumably this is before

4:44

the end of the last episode, this

4:46

15 hours ago. Right. Because

4:48

this is Maul and Locke meeting

4:51

up with another greenie. This

4:53

guy does not seem to be the same species as

4:56

Locke, right? No. They

4:58

have similar complexions. Yeah. The

5:01

shape of the loaf is different. The

5:03

hue of the loaf, quite similar. This

5:05

is what happens when you're

5:08

engaged in nefarious illegal activities.

5:11

Who knows who's on the up and up? Yeah.

5:14

From person to person. This guy's kind

5:17

of a bag man. Too mad. But he's

5:19

got an artifact and

5:21

he wants to change the terms. And why are you

5:24

giving me the latinum inside a bag? A bag? I

5:26

think a bag man would be all right with that.

5:29

Yeah. But he gets left holding the

5:31

bag. And when he

5:33

bare hand touches the latinum, he

5:36

starts getting foamy at the mouth. Doesn't

5:39

it seem like if you're a bad guy

5:41

wearing leather gloves, should

5:44

be part of the whole drip? Yeah. Because

5:48

we learned in the last episode that

5:50

humans have unique fingerprints, but it's unique

5:53

like dorsal ridges on saurians

5:55

and unique spots on Trills.

5:58

So presumably. A

6:01

lot of aliens haven't thought of

6:03

not leaving fingerprints everywhere in the

6:05

way that human criminals have, but.

6:08

Mom. Like are definitely teams.

6:10

Leather gloves, I. Would

6:12

be to. Their. They

6:15

take this guy out so that they

6:17

can get this bug from him. and

6:19

this is the bug that we saw

6:21

get deposited on a deer sleeve when

6:23

they were down in the Star Trek

6:25

Caves Elsa. Like the part of the

6:27

see that about lock remaining just like

6:29

markedly less ambitious the mall will. This

6:31

seems like a combination of a couple

6:33

a tropes, right? There's the like. Do.

6:36

We want to do one last bank

6:38

robbery. Before. We

6:40

retire pray. And also

6:42

like the gender reversal of a whole

6:44

idea of the guy being the one

6:46

who wants that last one that the

6:49

Clyde. Wanting. To ride

6:51

that last bank robbery into the sunset

6:53

and the bonnie be in the one

6:55

who's like this seems to dangerous is

6:57

not worth the risk. et. right?

7:00

He's the bonnie. The

7:03

I should probably mention I've never seen Bonnie and

7:05

Clyde. Assess Assess It's

7:07

good. It's really good. Is Watts it? I hope

7:10

I have their right. Has. Seen

7:12

Honey Bunny and Day and what's his

7:14

name? Ah, Honey

7:17

Bunny and Clyde. Yes,

7:20

That's the same thing, right? Same deal. I don't

7:22

think I need to see Bonnie and Clyde now.

7:26

Have you honey months? I think they're

7:28

the It's interesting that. Like.

7:30

A. Kind of freedom

7:33

is what awaits them if

7:35

they successfully get the progenitor

7:37

tech in. Malls. Minds

7:39

and. That. Big persuasive to

7:42

like. It seems like there's sort of on

7:44

the run. And. Unwilling

7:47

to. Like. Try

7:49

to make a deal with anybody

7:51

to and that feeling of being

7:54

pursued. Speaking.

7:56

Of feeling trapped in circumstances

7:58

that. Past. year has caused.

8:03

Grey can't get Adira off the

8:05

FaceTime. Seems like a

8:07

lot of contact for a couple who just broke

8:09

up, right? Sometimes

8:11

more contact after the breakup than

8:14

before in cases like

8:16

this. Yeah. This is

8:18

a scene whose sole purpose is to just

8:20

show us the bug and what happened to

8:22

the bug and how cool this bug is.

8:24

It is a cool bug

8:26

and it's creeping around

8:28

Adira's quarters. Quite

8:31

a noisy bug given

8:33

how stealthy it is otherwise. Yeah,

8:35

the take Adira gives toward the

8:37

end of this scene sure

8:39

makes it seem like they hear it or

8:42

something. Yeah, yeah. But

8:44

it's at that point hiding

8:47

behind a ceiling beam and

8:49

so Adira splits.

8:52

Can I ask you a question about this? Yeah.

8:56

Do all crew people get orders

8:59

over the PA for the entire ship

9:01

to hear? Did it seem to you

9:03

like Adira was getting called away by

9:05

Stamets like on the

9:08

PA on the 1MC? It

9:10

did sound boomy in that way.

9:12

That's how you know you're in

9:14

trouble. Adira, could you readjust

9:16

the deuterium manifold on deck nine? It shifted again

9:18

after the jump. I also just thought it was

9:21

funny that this surreptitious

9:23

bug was creeping around and making all

9:25

this fucking noise in the room. And

9:27

then the second Adira is out the

9:30

door, it vanishes into the beam. I

9:33

like the head

9:35

fake this bug does, which is like

9:37

you see that it's a bug. It

9:40

acts like a bug. You have

9:42

an understanding of what bugs do in

9:44

spycraft. This is not that kind

9:46

of bug. It's not listening at all.

9:48

That does not give a shit what

9:51

you're saying. Yeah, you think it's listening

9:53

in on your early 20s romance

9:56

that is maybe not as over as you

9:58

just said it was? Yeah. over

10:00

yourself. So

10:06

the ship has arrived at the location

10:08

that was given to them by clue

10:12

number two. Doesn't

10:14

really seem like there's anything here

10:16

and they're scanning around and

10:19

Reece tosses out an idea that

10:21

Rainer kind of curb stomps the

10:24

moment it flies out of Reece's mouth and

10:26

Burnham is like, okay, everybody keep doing

10:29

the scanning and whatnot. Rainer,

10:31

why don't the two of us go have a little

10:34

chat and they meet up

10:36

in the ready room to

10:38

talk about the way

10:40

Rainer is first officer. And

10:43

except not how we do things. Rainer

10:47

accepts that he stands inside

10:49

the ball kicking machine, but

10:52

he is all too willing to place

10:54

Michael Burnham on a similar machine. He

10:58

kind of smashes back, doesn't he? Yeah,

11:02

there is a debate about

11:04

whether this crew are too

11:06

familiar with each other going

11:08

on between him and Michael

11:10

Burnham. And

11:12

his contention is that this

11:14

kind of casual attitude

11:17

that everybody has is going

11:19

to make people sloppy and

11:21

just tossing out ideas is not really the move

11:23

right now when we are on a Red Directive

11:25

mission and we need to be solving

11:28

problems faster than they pop up. By

11:31

Rainer taking this position,

11:33

he's playing Gene Roddenberry here.

11:36

Gene Roddenberry famously did not want

11:38

fraternization among the crew. Right,

11:42

or conflict among the crew. Yeah. The

11:45

point Rainer is called to his

11:47

face like, just a burn

11:49

boy, just like, your war is over.

11:51

You're not fit for this time, you

11:54

know? Like in a way

11:56

that you can make the argument about a

11:58

lot of Gene Roddenberry's ideas. I wonder if

12:00

they're doing that kind of play with him.

12:02

Yeah That's one

12:05

of those things about Star Trek that now

12:07

that we have, you know 25 different versions

12:10

of the franchise to

12:13

consider especially Is

12:16

really interesting to me the way you

12:19

know TNG was Star Trek

12:21

talking about Star Trek in some ways like

12:23

kind of reconsidering some of the

12:25

ideas of the original series and then in

12:28

many ways every series after

12:31

that has been to

12:33

one extent or another a conversation about

12:38

Some of the things that it

12:40

liked the previous series Some

12:42

of the things that felt like the previous series maybe

12:44

didn't get right Yeah And

12:46

so I think that's interesting to think

12:49

about Rainer as being representative of an

12:51

older way of thinking Within

12:54

the context of Star Trek and not just within

12:56

the context of the universe of this episode, right?

12:59

Yeah Rainer

13:04

does that thing where like he's

13:06

not the guy in the room

13:08

with the most pips and he kind of forgets

13:10

himself here And he does that thing

13:12

where he says something and he tries to catch it in the

13:14

air You

13:17

can't catch it Yeah, like that

13:19

moment where you're like you feel like you're

13:21

right, but you also feel like you said

13:24

the right thing the wrong way Mm-hmm. And

13:27

so now you're kind of on shaky

13:29

ground in terms of like getting your

13:31

point across So he

13:33

has to kind of apologize about

13:35

that and the conversation turns into one

13:37

about like change being really hard and

13:39

that's That's so

13:42

frustrating Like trying to

13:44

make a bigger point about like command styles

13:46

It was like no like obviously changes hard

13:48

and I'm used to being captain and I'm

13:50

not right now But

13:52

that's not what I was trying to say That

13:55

bug we saw before is now in

13:58

engineering and this scene with Stamets There.

14:01

Is interesting because it shows you

14:03

where the thing is headed but

14:05

also suggests a universe. Completely.

14:08

Absent have anything to smash bugs

14:10

with. Like What? Could

14:13

there possibly be to smash this thing of

14:15

stam? Chose to. I get. I guess he

14:17

could take off his boot. Yeah.

14:19

That's it. Or. I guess

14:21

if you want to use your hand have you ever use your

14:23

hands have you are raw dog to bug. I'm.

14:25

Raw dog to bug. I really

14:27

wanted like a piece of Tupperware

14:29

and have a somewhat more rigid

14:32

card that. Had previously been

14:34

on the fridge slid under it

14:36

sea region like safely catch and

14:38

release. Knowing what we know

14:40

that this bug I kinda wish damn it's had tried to

14:42

go at it with his hand. Then.

14:44

So he withdraws like super old.

14:46

Had a sister after I love

14:49

scenes in Star Trek where there's

14:51

a super old had. Yeah,

14:54

I mean you're going to get one on

14:57

how to surplus? Oh but if they would

14:59

have a nice steaks raising to get a

15:01

couple? Yeah no asked. a big long fingernails

15:03

like other engineers are in in the department

15:06

like Austen. It. Would. You do with

15:08

their. Off

15:10

thought you know what's? his fist? bump me

15:13

with the other one's. Actually

15:17

no wait. Wait, Is

15:19

this what you like? Jacking it with.

15:22

Oh. Grew.

15:27

I mean I've heard of like

15:29

going European style using the other

15:31

hand, but I don't know. I

15:33

don't know with that is that

15:35

like go and made December style.

15:40

The. Back. Of the

15:42

ready room they're talking and there's kind

15:44

of a a power outage and this

15:46

is after this bug like went into

15:48

one of the panels and engineering. So.

15:51

They get word from the bridge that

15:53

something's going on and I'm like, okay,

15:55

we'll transporter back and. One.

15:58

of the scariest transport images

16:00

I think we've seen yet in Trek

16:02

is Burnham and Raynor

16:05

trying to transport to the bridge and

16:07

everything goes crazy and they're kind of like

16:09

transporting in and out of existence in

16:12

one spot a bunch of times. How

16:14

sure were you that we were going

16:16

to get a Raynor

16:18

episode? They

16:21

should have popped up in this new time

16:24

conjoined. Because

16:28

then they'd really get to understand each other.

16:30

I'm a totally unique sentient being plus I'm

16:33

cool as... I mean the

16:35

fight sequence with early Michael Burnham

16:37

later you know having

16:39

to use the back of the head as much as

16:41

they do to have the fight extra

16:44

would have just been too upsetting I think.

16:48

Yeah. They got to

16:50

walk the old fashioned way to the

16:52

bridge because their transport blurbers don't work.

16:55

What's interesting about where they end up

16:57

is how often that window is used

17:00

to give a sense of place and

17:02

time because when they wake

17:04

back up they're in a warp

17:07

tunnel it looks like and we find out

17:09

when they walk to the bridge that no

17:11

that's not a warp tunnel that is time

17:13

travel. And the

17:15

red angels out there too? Yeah and

17:17

everybody is conked out on

17:19

the floor and like Saru and Tilly are there

17:21

and there's lots of rubble. And they're wearing their

17:24

old uniforms? Yeah. Good thing they

17:26

didn't throw them away. Michael

17:28

Burnham thinks really quick she's like shoot

17:31

temporal prime directive temporal prime directive we got to get out

17:33

of here before they see us. And they

17:36

run back off the bridge and

17:39

are talking about the

17:42

fact that they have switched times

17:45

and everything starts to

17:47

go all blinky again and they're

17:49

very scientific and they're like shouting

17:51

out observations about the phenomenon as it's

17:54

happening to them. I really like

17:56

that. And they jump again

17:58

in time and now they are. our discovery

18:01

in dry dock and like

18:04

the wall has a section open and the

18:06

Golden Gate Bridge is out there. Pretty

18:09

good day at the office if you're the

18:11

trade working in this part

18:13

of the ship in dry dock, right? Beautiful

18:15

day. Yeah, absolutely. Uh oh, a couple

18:17

of surprise inspections. You don't like that,

18:20

but pretty good.

18:23

I like that this guy

18:25

is deep enough in the

18:28

weeds of just being like a guy who wrenches

18:30

on starships when they come into dry dock that

18:32

he doesn't know what uniforms look

18:35

like in his era. And

18:37

he's just like, oh shit, am I in trouble? You guys

18:39

look like you're dressed differently than I am. So

18:41

I can only assume that this is the inspection. It's

18:44

like that thing that happened with red hats.

18:46

Like if you see them from any distance,

18:48

you're like, oh God, oh no. And

18:52

this guy like sees a red uniform and

18:54

he's like, oh command, like obviously command, like

18:56

doesn't matter the cut or the finish or

18:59

the picture or whatever. Those

19:01

guys are in charge. I mean, except

19:03

in his time, it's not right. Like

19:05

it would be gold. Go for command.

19:07

Yeah. Huh.

19:09

Shoot. He's like, these guys are

19:11

doomed. They're in red. Or

19:13

maybe he's just one of

19:15

those trades that pops a

19:17

mega-doe scummy before doing

19:20

his trowel work. It's

19:25

like hundreds of years in the future. My

19:27

tolerance is very high. When

19:30

I'm rolling out to a job site,

19:32

I'm taking four, five milligram gummies, chasing

19:36

it with 24 ounces

19:38

of coffee at a 7-Eleven, making

19:43

the day that follows a little weird. California

19:46

Speedball for this old Boston

19:49

worker. Remember

20:00

the control season? Remember

20:02

when they fought Contreeland? Yeah. I

20:06

was like amazed thinking about this episode

20:08

being one that was in this season

20:10

before they knew that this was the

20:12

last season. Yeah. Like, it

20:15

really does feel like a, let's think

20:17

about some of the great adventures that

20:19

Star Trek Discovery has taken us on

20:21

episode. And

20:23

it really primes you

20:26

for cameo, right? Like,

20:29

are we gonna see a Jason Isaacs

20:31

here? I was

20:33

on the lookout the entire

20:35

ep. Who were your big

20:37

cameos that you were hoping for? Because for

20:40

me it was Jason Isaacs and Osaira were

20:42

the two that I was really wishing we

20:44

would get. Yeah. And we didn't. Yeah,

20:47

I mean for me it was definitely Lorca,

20:49

but also like maybe Ash Tyler

20:52

could have been... That would have been hot. Could

20:54

have been Fun. Or Admiral Bob. Oh

20:58

man. Bring back Admiral Bob. Why

21:00

not? We got some

21:02

greatest hits on Discovery for characters. You

21:05

telling me Admiral Bob's not picking up the phone?

21:08

She'll pick up the phone. She might

21:10

not like what you're offering. She'll

21:12

pick it up. Yeah. So

21:15

they are starting to try to narrow

21:17

down what is happening to them. And

21:20

temporal anomaly seems to be out because

21:22

they were scanning their ashes off when

21:25

they arrived in this part of space.

21:28

They probably would have picked something up. They

21:30

don't seem to be having any neurological

21:32

effects that would indicate that this

21:35

is something that is being done to them, just

21:38

under their minds. Raynor

21:40

comes up with the idea that this

21:42

is a time bug and we get

21:44

a little hat tip to Year

21:46

of Hell. This is Krenim technology.

21:49

Yeah. Like

21:51

that name check. Yeah. These

21:53

are a kind of weapon

21:57

that is left over from the

21:59

temporal war. war that

22:02

gets ships just jumping around randomly

22:04

and therefore off the field of

22:06

battle in a time travel war.

22:10

Like all tech that gets smaller with

22:12

every generation, we've gone from torpedo

22:14

to little bug.

22:17

Yeah, the Krenim used to have this

22:20

as like an entire ship. Yeah,

22:23

pretty wild. Michael

22:26

Burnham's like, cool, well if it's a time travel

22:28

thing, Stamets can help on account if he lives

22:30

outside of time. Amazing

22:33

how little explanation this means. It's

22:36

right in Star Trek Discovery. Imagine

22:38

dating someone who lives outside of time.

22:42

Imagine what they desire for

22:45

how quickly you cohabitate or get

22:47

married or whatever. I

22:50

guess it would never matter to them. What

22:52

would happen if Stamets met Wesley

22:55

Crusher? I mean

22:57

in my case, a change of the

22:59

channel. I

23:05

love this cut to Stamets and Six

23:07

Bay because this is the moment where

23:09

he took that piece of shrapnel to

23:11

the birdie and he's

23:13

with it in his own way. He's with

23:16

it enough to be asking for things like

23:18

Zora and wanting to go to

23:20

engineering, but all of these requests are confusing the

23:22

hell out of Culber. Culber

23:24

has not heard of Zora. Culber

23:27

can't imagine why Stamets would rather be in

23:29

engineering than getting the giant girder taken out

23:31

of his chest. Culber's like,

23:33

if it helps to reset you in

23:35

time, I can unzip my uniform top

23:39

and just show you how ripped and exploded I am.

23:44

Would that help ground you? Is

23:46

he administering the induced coma shot

23:48

at the end of the scene? I

23:50

was like, oh no, is Stamets going

23:52

to be KO'd for the rest of

23:54

this? That

23:57

does not seem to be something that travels through

23:59

time. him. The greatest trick

24:01

is yet to come. Another

24:05

blurb and it's relative calm

24:07

this time for Burnham

24:09

and Raynor, so they head to

24:12

engineering and in

24:14

the turbolift, Raynor

24:16

and Burnham have this conversation about like,

24:19

well, you know, if you're

24:21

the captain, your biomechanical

24:26

identification is going to be useful to

24:29

get you in places around the ship,

24:31

but it's actually a liability at

24:33

this point, right? Because if the computer is scanning

24:35

for people and it finds two, that could be

24:37

a problem. So why don't you clerk yourself from

24:40

the computer and why don't you do that in front

24:42

of me so I can see

24:45

your command code during. And this was

24:47

such Chekhov's command code here. I thought

24:50

for sure he was

24:52

going to use that for some bad

24:54

idea, but maybe not this episode,

24:56

but maybe in a future episode that'll end

24:58

up happening. If

25:00

your entire technology thing is built

25:03

around everybody having holographic computers that

25:05

pop out of their chest, you

25:08

need to have the little asterisk in

25:10

place of the actual digit when you're

25:12

punching in your code. Or make it

25:14

look like if you're looking at it

25:16

off center, that shit just disappears. Right.

25:19

Yeah. Can the hologram have

25:21

that 3M film that

25:24

car dealerships put on the screens of

25:26

their computers? Didn't it look like in

25:28

this scene though, this was happening directly

25:30

in front of Rayner? It really did.

25:33

Yeah. It was like cheated to him so he

25:35

could really read it. Yeah. So

25:37

the turbolift doors open and right

25:39

outside they get into a fight

25:41

with Osiris goons. And

25:43

this is one of the two very

25:46

developed fight scenes we get in this

25:48

episode. It goes on and on. Yeah.

25:51

The amount of fight choreography

25:53

in this episode is really

25:55

off the chart. Mm-hmm. It's

25:58

just like a whole bunch. of

26:01

guys in motorcycle helmets, neck

26:03

chopping them and stuff, and sort

26:06

of looks like they're going to get

26:08

overtaken. Jet Reno

26:10

comes to the rescue, looking awesome

26:12

as fuck. Great moment for

26:15

Jet Reno. I love how

26:17

she just moves into this scene, drops

26:20

a couple of lines, and then moves out of it.

26:22

Yeah. Completely unchecked. Yeah.

26:26

Hey, don't worry about this ship invasion. We're

26:28

going to take care of it. Where

26:32

are you going, Jet Reno? Where

26:35

do you get your confidence? How

26:37

do I buy some of that? The

26:39

next blurb makes it

26:42

seem as though they've arrived inside an

26:44

icy disco, and what I thought was

26:46

that they were inside the ship, inside

26:48

that ship-eating ice. Yeah, I did too.

26:50

That's not this at all. No. They

26:53

had a conference room. They didn't make

26:55

it to engineering. They have not made

26:57

contact with Stamets yet. The

27:00

ship is dusty and decaying, and

27:02

they got out on the bridge,

27:04

and Zora seems disoriented and confused.

27:07

Find out this is 30 years later, and

27:10

the worst-case scenario with the

27:13

progenitor tech has happened. Mullenlock

27:15

got it, and everybody that lived

27:18

on disco is dead. Zora's

27:21

just been floating empty with the

27:23

view screen closed, and they persuade

27:25

Zora to throw open the

27:27

view screen and RSVP

27:30

HQ. Does

27:35

Zora have the ability to

27:38

fly the ship wherever she

27:40

wants? This seems

27:42

like the longer I thought about this moment,

27:44

the more questions I had, which are like,

27:46

yeah, I understand Zora's grieving, the loss of

27:49

the Federation and all of her maybe

27:52

friends or whatever on the crew,

27:54

but if all of a sudden your

27:56

crew people are dead, that kind of

27:58

frees you up for adventures. doesn't it? Yeah,

28:02

we never get an exterior shot of the

28:04

ship in this episode. We don't

28:06

know if it's flyable in this time

28:09

period. I mean, the HQ is really

28:11

fucked up. There is a ship out there

28:14

that gets identified as a Breen ship.

28:17

So maybe Zora just wants to keep nose toward that

28:19

ship because you're never supposed to turn your back on

28:21

a Breen. I

28:23

swear I've not had an edible

28:26

today, but like, if

28:31

you had the ability to go anywhere

28:33

in the universe, basically with the disco

28:35

drive and

28:38

explore anything or meet any kind

28:40

of new species or whatever, like,

28:43

would that change the

28:45

scope of your grief when

28:48

you grieve the thousands

28:51

of people that died at HQ? I think

28:54

it kind of would, wouldn't it? If

28:57

you were an all-knowing supercomputer with a

28:59

ship that could take you anywhere, I would

29:01

be sad. I would mourn them.

29:04

But also, I wouldn't

29:07

keep that thing in park for 30 years.

29:09

Like, I'm going to go try

29:12

to get into adventures, maybe as a way

29:14

to honor their memories. Well,

29:16

the ship seems fucked up. Like,

29:18

let's talk about how Zora can't

29:20

think of certain things when they

29:22

ask Zora questions. Yeah. Yeah,

29:24

Zora's had a core

29:26

injury. But not totally without

29:29

faculties because they're like, okay, well, we've been

29:31

traveling in time, but we're also traveling

29:33

in space. Can the

29:36

information our tricorders have collected from

29:38

these jumps be compiled

29:41

with the data about where the

29:43

ship has been going and all

29:45

of the jumps to establish

29:47

a little bit better, like what we're

29:50

dealing with here? And Zora

29:52

compiles this information and gives them a

29:54

little program that will predict Every

29:56

time they have a jump coming up. And What

29:58

do you know? Excellent. ten

30:00

seconds out. Oh,

30:02

that's bad timing. So now that

30:04

you've seen the awful future, if

30:06

you fail the season of Star

30:08

Trek Discovery, Go. Ahead and

30:11

their. Civic. And get things

30:13

back on track guys! Are.

30:15

Next seen as an engineering with

30:17

Stam at Sunset Reno. As cool

30:19

as ever! Jay reno his ally

30:21

so fast and is uncool. As.

30:24

Maybe Stammers has ever been when he's

30:26

forced to. Improvise his

30:28

way through a scene. Where.

30:30

He's trying to. Make.

30:32

Jets feel as though he's not

30:35

crazy when he asks very time

30:37

travel specific questions. Stuck

30:40

in a timeless. Them.

30:43

But. Vocal

30:45

can you imagine? Like.

30:48

If you just get transported back to

30:50

a day of work, Ten.

30:52

Years ago. When. You still.

30:55

Work. For. Major. Aerospace

30:57

Company ah and just had to persuade

30:59

everyone that it was a normal day

31:01

for you. I'd be the had to

31:04

like a reproduce all of the things

31:06

that you did that day and going

31:08

around as. Encouraging.

31:10

Folks to put all the bullets and the

31:12

all the doors and they're like how I

31:14

got into that guy. Get

31:18

that guy doesn't even work here

31:20

as a contractor. So.

31:25

Yeah, I'd he has some questions about a

31:27

time loop and how you might stop one.

31:29

Theoretically. And Jet Reno has

31:31

some great advice on this. Just.

31:34

Top of mine's jet. Reno's thought about this

31:36

a lot. And when michael burnham

31:38

and rain so up. Stammers.

31:40

Is able to clear engineering by making

31:42

everybody thinks that mushrooms are going to

31:45

grow in their lungs because there's a.

31:48

Spore. League I'm a little to serve the

31:50

my crew doesn't know that isn't a real thing. Oh

31:52

My. God. What is terrifying of his. they

31:56

get to work on the

31:58

spore load the leone commercial

32:02

that needs to play on all the ship stations.

32:05

Have you or a loved one been exposed

32:07

to mycelial spores? You

32:10

may be deserving of

32:12

compensation. Samitz

32:17

knows where the bug is and

32:20

Rayner's like, okay, well let's get it. And

32:22

he's like going for it. Another opportunity for

32:25

old hands that this episode does not give

32:27

us. Yeah, I don't know. Do

32:29

you think that they were just like,

32:31

that's too much biting TNG's rhyme if

32:34

he reaches for it and gets big

32:36

fingernails? We've showed a picture of Captain

32:38

Picard in this season. Like,

32:40

it's okay to show old hand. Show

32:44

us old hand. That's what we

32:47

came here for. You

32:49

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32:51

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35:27

It's is able to demonstrate hear

35:29

their the. You. Can't just take

35:31

the bug out from behind this panel.

35:33

It would be a cross the streams

35:35

moment if you did. That.

35:37

So what they need to do is build a

35:40

crowd a ton stabilizer, Which.

35:42

As we see later looks like a little

35:44

smoke was astro. Ss

35:47

and the plan at this point is look

35:49

we're we're going to be blur been away

35:51

all the time so let's no matter what,

35:53

Wherever we end up meet on Dec thirteen.

35:56

Evidently. A very empty deck. Most.

35:59

Of the. And if in

36:01

10 years the three of us aren't married, we'll

36:05

meet up on deck 13 and form a

36:08

throuple. So

36:13

yeah, they are now highly motivated

36:16

to fix the problem now that

36:18

they know the terrible, terrible outcome.

36:21

They have to get some holodeck

36:23

materials and Michael's going

36:25

to go get them from her quarters

36:27

because her quarters now have a built-in

36:29

holodeck in this time period. So

36:32

she's running up there

36:34

to do that. And

36:37

boy, wouldn't you know

36:39

it, Book comes back from the gym looking

36:41

all sweaty and hot and shit, and

36:44

he wants to talk to her. She's

36:46

like on a timeline. Is

36:50

Book not allowed to use the

36:52

captain's personal holodeck in

36:54

the quarters? Because

36:57

why is he going to the gym?

37:01

If you could hollow the gym, you don't

37:03

have to go anywhere. If

37:07

you could hollow the mountain you want to climb

37:10

or the track you want to run

37:12

or the barbells you want to lift.

37:16

Maybe he's sweaty because he was doing something

37:18

else in the holodeck and he wanted to

37:21

go use one that Michael was much less

37:23

likely to randomly walk into. Right.

37:27

What you've done is described a hollow suite.

37:30

I see. Michael's

37:38

like, you know, you have been going to the gym

37:40

kind of a lot, sometimes multiple

37:43

times a day. Are

37:45

you going for the record? It's

37:51

an interesting scene, right? Because she's kind of in

37:53

this, I am trying as hard as

37:55

I can to be moved on from you,

37:58

headspace. He

38:01

is from a different time and is therefore

38:03

in the life honeymoon phase of like We

38:05

just moved in together babe and he got

38:08

this. Now. That your captain of the

38:10

ship. Energy. At.

38:12

The moment In any relationship where the couple.

38:14

it's just nice to each other. Several

38:18

times it's good. I

38:21

think of that. Time. Fondly.

38:24

I loved the tension of this

38:26

though. the like he is. Just.

38:29

Being so fucking sweet and you can see

38:31

the gears turning like how do I persuade

38:33

him to be sweet in a pithy are

38:36

ways I can get the fuck out of

38:38

here and go build the gadget and also

38:40

like we have four and a half minutes

38:42

could we knock it out here? And

38:46

like this resets. Like. Nevada

38:48

Details: Chest Look at the chest on this

38:50

guy This is I gave this up. Why

38:52

did I give this up? That

38:54

kiss and the i Love use that

38:57

they both have at the end. Just.

39:01

Amazing moment! A

39:03

quintessential send equal Martin Green. Take.

39:07

Here. Like. Conveying

39:09

a thousand different feelings. All.

39:11

Of them with some pretty

39:13

dewey eyes. He now. says.

39:17

Great she's not hang

39:19

in here. Because.

39:21

That would be suspicious. Assess

39:23

assess as he says feel

39:25

in it here. They. Get

39:28

the gadget together. A does

39:30

sort of seem like the cops that they're gonna

39:32

put over the bug and then slide the piece

39:34

of paper under really for a look. But.

39:37

The bug is shielded in

39:39

a way that is unexpected.

39:41

Why does the opening look like

39:44

a vagina? So. At

39:48

out as they have

39:50

slipped like that. It's

39:53

the flashlight for a toad.

39:55

Assess Assess Assess. Assess

39:59

Assess. Size

40:01

city for way students, legs, fork

40:03

and junk. Yeah.

40:07

You enter of of for question quiz

40:10

and they send you the fly. Slade

40:12

s perfectly tailored to your needs. Oh

40:14

it's so frustrating when this doesn't work.

40:17

Yes, This is said something that

40:19

they learn as their lights start

40:21

to flicker and I love everybody's

40:24

like I am sick and tired

40:26

of time travel face to. Commercial.

40:29

Break? Yes. Were.

40:33

On Dec thirteen again. And.

40:35

Stem it's tell them something about

40:37

this bug seal did set inside

40:39

the shields. Time moves incredibly fast.

40:42

And. They can't just turn. That. Sealed

40:45

off. So what's

40:47

damn suggests is. Something.

40:50

That I think. True. Blue

40:52

Star Trek nerds know about the

40:54

war bubble. Kind of

40:56

protects you. From.

40:59

The. Relativity. Of

41:02

space travel but like the relativity

41:04

consequences of space travel in such

41:06

a way that busting out of

41:09

this bubble. Would. Make possible

41:11

of idea of like if you do

41:13

it at the same time as you

41:15

try to capture this bug. that coincidental

41:17

nature of that would. Render.

41:20

Is this time sealed?

41:23

In or to and then you'd catch the bug And

41:25

and mission accomplished day to day explain that. And.

41:28

Away the made any sense. That

41:30

basically. Comports with what I was picking

41:32

up from the episode. So yeah. I

41:35

think he got it right. Also, there

41:37

is one very important. Piece. Of

41:40

information. That's damn. It's convey sir. He's like.

41:43

In. The timeline where we do

41:45

this. You. Can do

41:48

anything to anyone. Because

41:50

once we bust out of the war

41:52

bubble and catch the bug, it renders

41:54

all of the sit that we did.

41:57

Moved. Like it's a freebie. It's a

41:59

halt. Right, so

42:01

the temporal prime directive following has

42:04

been necessary up till now, but

42:06

now in this 14 minute visit to

42:09

this time period, go

42:11

sick. Yeah, what I'm saying is maybe

42:13

for a couple of these time jumps,

42:15

we take some 14 minute haul passes

42:18

and just like, fuck

42:20

around. There's

42:25

no such thing as morality in the time

42:27

loop, baby. Nothing

42:29

matters. Wait,

42:32

does that also mean that

42:34

the record would not stand? Oh

42:37

man. I don't think the

42:39

record counts. Yeah, or at least

42:42

that I was an asterisk next to it.

42:44

The body remembers though. The

42:50

body holds a record. It's

42:53

so weird if you're into time

42:55

travel, the body and time have

42:57

different records. Very

43:01

confusing. Could you travel

43:04

to a time where your refractory period

43:06

is really, really short? Unlike

43:08

the character in Quantum Leap. With

43:10

every leap, I hope it's the

43:12

one where I have a much

43:14

shorter refractory period. That

43:17

was the goal of that show. He

43:22

never says it, but you know that's what he's going

43:24

for. So

43:29

they feel like this is the one to

43:31

go for it in and we are on

43:33

a Lorca era

43:35

disco. They're gonna show

43:38

him right? They're

43:40

not because he's away on an away mission.

43:42

God damn it. Oh,

43:47

I miss him so much. If

43:49

they'd showed him, but not

43:52

showed him injecting shit into

43:54

his eyeballs. Yeah. I

43:56

feel like that would have been a perfect episode. so

44:00

great. You think he picked up the

44:02

phone? I don't know. I wonder

44:04

about this. I feel like if they

44:06

knew this was the last season when they were making this

44:08

episode, maybe they would have expent more

44:11

ordinance on this. Incredible

44:13

call. Yeah. Yeah,

44:15

I bet. Not only from

44:17

that direction, but in the cameo direction. Like,

44:19

people would have wanted to... Yeah. They

44:23

would do a Goodwill cameo. Yeah. Great.

44:30

The big snag here is that Arium

44:32

was left in command of the ship,

44:35

and Michael Burnham is going to

44:37

have to go up there and convince everyone on the

44:39

bridge to do this, go to the highest

44:42

warp possible, and then break the

44:45

warp bubble scheme while Stamets

44:47

and Raynor work on their

44:49

end of the scheme down in engineering. And

44:53

present day Michael Burnham has like

44:55

one awkward bump into Linus on

44:57

the way up. Red

45:00

is definitely your color. And

45:02

then he gets off the elevator

45:04

and vintage Michael Burnham gets on.

45:07

Uh-oh. Burnham

45:10

Blue, not wearing a

45:12

combat, seems not

45:15

happy to see Burnham Red. In

45:18

a way that you can understand, not just

45:20

because this era of Michael Burnham is paranoid

45:22

and angry and recently

45:24

punished for her mutineering ways, but

45:27

because when you're on Star

45:29

Trek and you're confronted by

45:31

your doppel, it's either

45:35

fight or kiss. Which

45:37

is her lifelong ambition going to be? That

45:41

is the big question. And this

45:43

is the second of those

45:45

two great big

45:47

fight sequences we talk about, because

45:49

vintage Burnham doesn't buy the time

45:52

travel story. And man,

45:54

what a complicated scene to

45:56

block and shoot and execute.

46:00

There are a couple of really cool moments

46:02

where you see both Michael Burnham's

46:04

on screen, like making

46:07

physical contact with each other while the

46:09

camera is moving. Even

46:11

with all of the like deep fake technology

46:13

in the world, tough stuff to

46:15

make look really good. And I think that they

46:18

did a great job with this. Yeah,

46:20

they really did. I mean, you

46:22

think back to Star Trek six, you think

46:24

back to the Thomas and Will Riker episode,

46:27

like Star Trek has tried this

46:29

many times, and this I think represents the

46:31

best it's ever been done for them. So

46:34

good. Really, really great. Why

46:37

does Burnham Red win? It

46:39

seems like Burnham Blue,

46:42

having just been in prison, would

46:45

be more seasoned of a fighter, would

46:47

have youth on her side also. I

46:50

was kind of surprised at the outcome here. Yeah,

46:53

I mean, some of it felt

46:56

a little bit just like luck. It's

46:59

got to be so hard to fight a person

47:01

who could neck pinch you at any point. It's

47:03

one thing to dodge and

47:05

hit, but like to play the

47:07

fight game where you cannot be

47:10

touched. Yeah, you got to

47:12

keep your neck hole region away from them

47:14

at all costs. Yeah, can't

47:17

imagine. Anyway, Burnham Red neck

47:19

pinches Burnham Blue, and we cut over

47:21

to engineering where Stamets

47:23

has kicked out the crew yet again. This is

47:25

a fun runner that they're doing with Stamets now.

47:28

Even Raynor is impressed here at all

47:30

the Miriam ways he comes up with

47:32

to clear out the department. I

47:35

just ripped a big fart. Everybody

47:39

get out of here. That

47:41

was faster than your spore breach excuse.

47:43

Yeah, so everyone splits and

47:45

they're working the problem. Stamets is trying

47:47

to use the old version of the

47:50

computer and it's getting a little frustrated

47:52

and Raynor

47:54

kind of kicks him some shit and

47:56

they have an interesting conversation

47:58

where Stamets This convinces

48:00

Rayner to press pause

48:02

on the rough candor routine, which

48:05

is an ironic request coming from

48:07

Stamets. And the

48:10

cat's in the cradle in the soup with

48:12

food. Stamets

48:14

is like, wait, are

48:17

you my dad? Stamets

48:22

persuades Rayner to actually be helpful in this

48:24

moment. I love Stamets'

48:26

angle here, which is like, you think

48:28

you're stressed. Shai's

48:30

saving the universe over and over

48:33

again because of what's in these

48:35

forearms. Yeah. Season

48:38

after season. I have to keep

48:40

this ship in one piece and save the whole

48:42

ass universe. So Rayner's like,

48:44

yeah, you have made some good

48:47

points, sir. Touche. What

48:49

do you need me to do? And

48:51

it goes over and reroutes EPS

48:54

or something. Does his comment

48:56

about them both being old dogs, is

48:59

that in reference to Stamets

49:01

being a past person and then

49:04

old in that way versus Rayner who is

49:06

an old in the modern way? I

49:09

thought a lot about that. One thing I thought about

49:11

in this episode particularly

49:13

was I don't

49:17

really feel like we've gotten a

49:19

great sense of how people in

49:21

the Federation think of the Discovery

49:23

Crew. Are they interesting

49:26

curiosities who lived

49:29

in a time that's almost

49:31

unthinkably primitive by their standards

49:33

or because of the

49:35

temporal war? Is it just

49:37

like everybody's used to people from all different

49:39

parts of the timeline interacting with each other

49:42

now or what? Yeah.

49:46

It's a lot. It's even too

49:48

much. It is. It's too

49:50

fucking much. And also too

49:53

much is Michael Burnham trying

49:55

to talk the season one Discovery Bridge

49:57

crew into letting her commandeer the ship.

50:01

I love how she goes around the horn here

50:04

telling people about themselves. It's the thing you have to

50:06

do when you're a time traveler. You got

50:08

to be really good at those biographical details and not

50:10

just the stuff that you can get out of a

50:13

file like real juicy

50:15

personal shit. You think I'm gonna

50:17

knife you when you sleep because of your snoring? I

50:19

won't by the way. Thank

50:22

you. I would suck ass at this. I

50:26

would forget half of their names.

50:28

Like didn't you say something about

50:30

like being into chess or something?

50:32

Not you? No? Okay. I

50:35

love how the Arium in the

50:37

room is permitted to

50:39

hang there for a while before like Burnham

50:43

finally decides like nothing's gonna convince these

50:46

people like a terrible Arium

50:48

story. An Arium

50:50

played by Hannah Cheeseman like

50:53

she came back to the

50:55

metallic loaf. She got into the loaf pan.

50:58

She did it one more time. Yeah. This

51:01

moment is really funny if you want it to be

51:04

because the story she tells about Arium is like,

51:06

you know, you made the ultimate sacrifice for the

51:09

crew and the crew people are like, No!

51:12

No way! Like that's not her.

51:15

And Arium's like, no, I am actually a

51:19

badass like that. Like that does sound like me.

51:22

Sounds like something heroic I could

51:24

actually do. Totally

51:26

contradicting everyone else in the crew. They're

51:29

like, what? This Arium? She

51:32

cheats at cards. The one that's in command

51:34

of discovery right now? No. Pretty

51:40

great. She would never have

51:42

thought like that. I would. But

51:44

once she's tipped over the rest of the crew follows

51:48

suit and this is convincing. Yeah,

51:51

so we have three minutes left looks

51:53

pretty good. Like we're actually going to

51:55

save the day, but then Reese

51:59

and and Vintage Burnham show up

52:02

in engineering holding

52:04

guns and putting a stop to

52:06

what Raynor and Stamets are up

52:08

to. And

52:12

this turns into a big standoff where

52:15

with 90 seconds left, Raynor is

52:18

called on to establish trust

52:20

with Reese and then

52:23

subsequently Blue

52:25

Burnham. I think that like half

52:27

of how he establishes

52:29

trust is the

52:31

story he tells her about the like first

52:34

time she stood on the Discovery Bridge feeling

52:36

like she had no right to be there,

52:38

but fully 50% of it is

52:40

just him chesting up to the gun and

52:43

just be like, you're gonna have to fucking

52:45

shoot me if you really believe what you're

52:47

claiming you believe. The part they

52:50

cut out of this scene is Raynor going, I lost

52:52

my ship and my command. You'd be fucking doing

52:54

me a favor. Praise God. Just

52:57

end this for me. Pull

52:59

it. I want you to

53:01

do it. I'm on a crew with a bunch

53:03

of deep thinking feeling people. I

53:05

don't fit in here. Here,

53:08

aim a little higher. Pour

53:10

it into my mouth. Pour it into my mouth. I'm

53:13

the only person on this crew that isn't

53:15

hanging here half the time. Here,

53:18

I'll shock on a vote. Praise,

53:20

pour your hand too. Have

53:26

you ever been double penetrated by

53:29

a TOS Aerophaser? Well, I have.

53:32

I love when Raynor has his moment with

53:34

Reese over the curvy Connie's. He's like, hey,

53:37

I know what you like. You

53:39

like the Constitution class. So

53:42

do I. Why do

53:45

you think I turned my left hand old? Because

53:48

I like old things. Sexually.

53:51

Look at the curves. You understand, right, Reese?

53:54

And Reese is looking around like, I do

53:57

not have this much backstory. I am a

53:59

bridge crew. character on Star Trek

54:01

Discovery. You are drawing

54:04

in all of the margins here. Anyways

54:14

it's successful, they persuade them

54:16

to let them try their

54:19

chronometric hockey puck and

54:22

Raynor sticks his hand in

54:24

the field that the bug is inside

54:27

of right now. And

54:30

they break the warp bubble and

54:33

we blip back to the present. We

54:36

lost six hours but they like check the

54:39

timeline and everything is exactly as it's

54:41

supposed to be. Raynor has

54:43

a nasty case of old hand but

54:45

other than that everything is

54:48

okay. And apparently

54:50

old hand is a fixable disease

54:52

in this era. I'm

54:54

going to look to the camera right now and

54:56

I want to talk to whoever

54:59

made this decision on Star Trek Discovery.

55:03

For five seasons now you've

55:05

shown us the dog dick fingers of Saru and

55:09

you just show us old

55:12

hand kind of impassing, like kind

55:14

of moving through the screen, making

55:17

it impossible to glimpse it

55:20

at all. Why don't you want

55:22

to show us that old hand, what are you hiding? Well

55:25

and also like making it curable, like make

55:28

Raynor have old hand for the rest of

55:30

the season. Yeah I'd like that a lot,

55:32

I'm sure he would too. That

55:34

would be great, for his character, like now

55:37

I've got old hand on one of my

55:39

hands. He and Rhys become great friends from

55:42

here. Yeah. Because you know

55:44

Rhys likes old things. Yeah.

55:47

They're like arm wrestling so that Rhys can really like

55:49

get a good look at it. Oh

55:52

yeah. Oh it's really cold. It fell into

55:54

my mouth again. Hey,

56:01

uh, Michael

56:03

Burnham is really happy

56:06

for Raynor. Because

56:08

Raynor finally gets it. Knowing

56:11

people is the only

56:13

reason that we achieved mission accomplishment

56:15

status here. Turns out

56:17

those meetings she made him do in last

56:20

week's episode were a

56:22

necessary evil. How much did you want Raynor

56:24

to come back over the top of her

56:26

with this and was like, Yeah, I only

56:28

needed 20 seconds with each of them. So

56:30

who's right? Who's

56:33

really right? 20

56:37

fucking seconds. I

56:39

mean, we're lucky that one

56:42

of the people that showed up

56:44

with Michael Burnham in engineering was one of

56:46

the people that made it to the future.

56:48

Yeah. You know, there was a

56:50

lot of people that could have been that it wasn't. So

56:55

they scan around and lock in mallship. It

56:57

seems like has been here in the

56:59

like six hours that they lost and

57:01

then warped away. And they don't have

57:04

any conclusive idea of where they warped

57:06

away to. They should

57:08

have done something on disco in those six

57:10

hours, right? Like they should have new

57:13

defied a bunch of people, pose

57:17

them in embarrassing situations. That

57:20

would have been cool. Yeah. Frozen

57:22

in time when this was all going on. You

57:24

never see any of that. Yeah.

57:28

I don't know. Maybe it was one of those blink of an

57:30

eye time jumps. Yeah. Yeah.

57:33

I don't know. And why is Commander

57:35

McDuff there? Yeah.

57:40

Why can we only hear this episode?

57:42

What an amazing callback that would have

57:44

been. Like that's the dun

57:46

dun dun at the end of the episode. Call

57:48

all the T and G things back. Like

57:52

I don't remember that crew person, but

57:54

then again, like, do we

57:56

know any of these people really? It

58:01

seems like Locke and Wahl may be now

58:03

ahead of them in the race to solve

58:05

all the clues, but they

58:07

don't have the artifact and

58:09

Stisco got out from under

58:11

their dirty little trick, so everybody

58:13

seems pretty happy at the end of this

58:16

one. Did you like this episode, Adam? We'll

58:18

always be here. I'll

58:24

tell you one thing. I

58:26

like Raynor as a character, and I like Callum

58:29

Renney as an actor. I

58:32

don't know how the

58:34

take at the end, where Raynor walks in and

58:36

his hand is good. You know

58:39

the zep that you can do with a hand and a couple

58:41

of fingers? Like, yo!

58:44

Why is the camera doing the work

58:46

of the actor here? Because Raynor just

58:49

walks in like usual, like hand swinging,

58:52

confident ex-captain. Raynor

58:55

goes in for a punch in on the

58:57

hand, and then it's like he exchanges a

58:59

little glance with Captain Burnham

59:01

like, well, hands back. You

59:04

know, like in a lot of episodes, I just kind

59:06

of want more hand stuff. But

59:08

here's how I feel

59:11

really. I think

59:13

this is one of my favorite episodes of

59:16

Discovery, and that's because I like time jump

59:19

as a genre. And I thought

59:21

a lot about how much I liked Magic

59:24

to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad, that

59:26

time loop episode. And

59:28

this didn't hit me as hard as

59:30

that one, because I think

59:33

this episode suggests that

59:35

Raynor's transformation is as

59:37

significant as what we

59:40

learned about Michael Burnham and that other episode, and

59:42

it's just not. Like, they're not equivalent. Like

59:44

things happen in that season one episode

59:46

that I thought were like, powerful

59:49

and sad to people that we were just

59:51

starting to get to know. Nothing

59:53

on that same level happens here. And

59:56

also, something about the tone of the

59:59

ending didn't feel quite right. right because all

1:00:01

of the dialogue is circling around this

1:00:03

idea of well, Moll

1:00:06

and Lock were here, now Moll and Lock

1:00:08

are gone, we don't know where they went,

1:00:10

their warp trail disappeared. So

1:00:13

I guess we're just gonna sit here and try harder

1:00:15

to figure out what the next

1:00:17

move is, but something doesn't quite

1:00:19

fit with like the swell of the music

1:00:21

and the appearance of the credits with that

1:00:24

idea. The idea that they

1:00:26

lost. Like this is an episode about, I

1:00:28

guess, preventing the future

1:00:30

demise of the Federation, but like

1:00:33

their mission is really fucked up right now.

1:00:36

And I don't think it should be treated as

1:00:38

the victory that it is. So tonally,

1:00:40

I think the ending just felt weird to me in that

1:00:42

way. What about you? I

1:00:44

keep wondering, like, doesn't the fact that

1:00:47

they have two pieces of the artifact,

1:00:49

like permanently forestall, Moll

1:00:51

and Lock from, isn't

1:00:53

the artifact the key to the whole thing? Or

1:00:55

I guess it isn't. I guess that it demonstrably

1:00:58

isn't if the Federation

1:01:00

gets destroyed in the future if

1:01:03

they don't succeed. The

1:01:05

rules of the game seem a little

1:01:07

bit ill-defined still. So like, to your

1:01:09

point, the, hey, well,

1:01:11

at least we all didn't die. It feels like

1:01:13

kind of a hollow victory. Except

1:01:15

Ariam, just want to say Ariam is

1:01:18

still very dead and seems

1:01:20

pretty cool with it. Ariam was

1:01:22

quick to buy into ensuring her

1:01:24

future death in

1:01:27

a way that retrospectively like makes us feel

1:01:29

better about her death. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:33

So yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

1:01:35

I like a time jump episode a whole

1:01:37

lot more than I like a time travel

1:01:39

episode. I will say. Hard to

1:01:41

stick the landing at the end of those though, huh?

1:01:44

It is. And I think this one was

1:01:46

good. And I think mainly my

1:01:48

punch up is all in terms of bringing

1:01:51

back beloved cast members. Would

1:01:54

have loved to see Rin in there,

1:01:56

you know, like there's a whole bunch

1:01:58

of characters from past. episodes that I

1:02:00

would have loved to see pop up.

1:02:02

Yeah. Anyways,

1:02:04

do you want to see if we have anything

1:02:07

in the Priority One inbox? I

1:02:09

can see it just at the view

1:02:11

screen, Ben. Priority One

1:02:13

message from Starfleet coming in on

1:02:15

secured channel. Just

1:02:17

one Priority One message here today, Adam,

1:02:19

and it's of a promotional nature. Goes

1:02:22

like this. I know you guys are

1:02:25

busy with your current podcasts and life

1:02:27

and such, but I would like to

1:02:29

gently encourage you to consider finishing Battlestar

1:02:31

Galactica. I love that show so much

1:02:33

and I love you guys so much, so it's a

1:02:35

perfect match. I haven't even finished

1:02:38

your ep of the second episode yet,

1:02:40

and perhaps you already concluded at

1:02:42

the end of that that you will indeed do that. If

1:02:45

not, please know it would be

1:02:47

the greatest day of my life if

1:02:49

you responded yes to this proposal. I

1:02:52

may have had a couple of drinks. One

1:02:55

call to action is more pod, please. Oh,

1:02:58

Elizabeth. Yes, a thousand times

1:03:00

yes. Wow.

1:03:02

We just made Elizabeth from New Hampshire

1:03:04

the happiest lady. You

1:03:07

know, I hate that Elizabeth from New Hampshire

1:03:09

did this like on the Jumbotron, where I

1:03:12

kind of felt obligated. Right. We're

1:03:14

in front of a crowd and there's kind of a lot of

1:03:16

social pressure to say yes. Yeah,

1:03:19

I'm definitely feeling that. I'm also

1:03:21

full of beer and hot dogs. That's

1:03:24

compromise my judgment. Yeah,

1:03:29

we had a lot of fun with that one.

1:03:31

We had a lot of fun with a lot

1:03:33

of those pilots. I wouldn't be surprised if some

1:03:35

of them started happening in the main feed and

1:03:37

others started happening behind the paywall. I

1:03:39

guess pilot season just revealed us

1:03:42

to be great big sci-fi TV

1:03:44

nerds. Yeah,

1:03:46

I would say we're there

1:03:48

to be other gaps in Star Trek

1:03:50

scheduling or if we just feel like

1:03:53

it in the bonus feed, we

1:03:55

should do a little more Battlestar Galactica. I think

1:03:57

it's personally at the top of my list. Wow.

1:04:00

For pilot season projects

1:04:03

adjacent to the show we're

1:04:05

doing, but yeah. That's

1:04:08

how I feel about it. How do you feel about it? Bottom of

1:04:10

your list? Uh,

1:04:12

it's like right below space

1:04:14

precinct. Which

1:04:18

means it's second! It's number two! Where

1:04:20

are all the space precinct P1s? I

1:04:24

mean, I keep scrolling and scrolling and

1:04:26

scrolling on our spreadsheet, and I keep

1:04:29

doing that, uh, control F space,

1:04:31

uh-huh. Control F catch-up. Not

1:04:34

finding them. You need to hit control K

1:04:36

for catch-up. Okay. Thank

1:04:40

you to Elizabeth for her P1 if you'd like to

1:04:42

get a P1. maximumfun.org/jumbotron.

1:04:48

Hey Adam. What's up Ben? Did you

1:04:50

discover yourself an Edward Larkin? Edward

1:04:53

Larkin! Edward Larkin!

1:04:56

I think a lot about that scene with

1:04:59

when Michael Burnham and Booker

1:05:01

together in her quarters, and

1:05:05

like the

1:05:07

choices she could have made but didn't,

1:05:09

and the choice that she eventually did

1:05:11

make in that scene. It's

1:05:15

kind of a quarter Larkin there, I feel

1:05:18

like. I feel like she knows on

1:05:22

one level she's got to

1:05:24

make it seem like she's from

1:05:27

book's universe in that moment, so she's got

1:05:29

to do a little make-out, she's got

1:05:31

to do a little I love you. Right.

1:05:34

But it's restrained. You think

1:05:36

he can tell? He's

1:05:38

got to tell. Is

1:05:41

my Edward Larkin book for not being able

1:05:43

to tell? I

1:05:45

think I just talked myself into book. Wow.

1:05:49

It does feel like you would

1:05:51

be able to tell that something was off. Think

1:05:54

of how often you're

1:05:57

right in your own relationship with a...

1:06:00

Energy just feels weird. What's

1:06:02

going on? Probably

1:06:05

should ask in what

1:06:07

way I have fucked something

1:06:09

up For

1:06:11

book not to ask

1:06:13

that question not to notice that this

1:06:16

is not his universe Lady

1:06:18

friend. Yeah, he's my Edward

1:06:20

Larkin. What about you? Wow. I Think

1:06:24

we both got it there Solid

1:06:27

Larkin minus that lady that

1:06:29

like wanders into engineering at one point and

1:06:32

just gets shouted at get out Be

1:06:35

like she is me, you know

1:06:39

You forget what an asshole Stamets

1:06:41

was and how there

1:06:43

really hasn't been a reckoning for that at any

1:06:46

point. Yeah He's

1:06:48

kind of playing season one Stamets. Yeah

1:06:51

Well, I mean like there was a

1:06:53

line in this episode about how the

1:06:56

tardigrade DNA softened his personality a little

1:06:58

bit which Cut

1:07:00

over to Culber and he's like and softened

1:07:02

something else Meanwhile

1:07:06

I just get harder and harder What's

1:07:10

that about hmm But

1:07:12

I was like, oh does that coincide like

1:07:14

I can't quite put my

1:07:16

finger on when Stamets got less Asshole

1:07:20

ish, but it seems not to

1:07:22

be season one and my memory It

1:07:24

seems like if you're pissed off at the

1:07:27

people you work with one

1:07:30

great way to put things in perspective

1:07:32

is to give you the responsibility

1:07:35

of saving the universe over and over again

1:07:38

Your your workplace relationships become

1:07:41

less important to you At

1:07:43

that point Well

1:07:46

Adam we got one last segment

1:07:48

to do on the show here today

1:07:51

This is a segment called warning boys

1:07:54

where we read nice reviews

1:07:56

or nice comments People have shared

1:07:58

on social media and try

1:08:00

to encourage friends of DeSoto to do the same.

1:08:04

One of the only reliable

1:08:06

ways we have of growing the show is

1:08:08

through nice reviews on Apple Podcasts and word

1:08:10

of mouth on social media. So if you

1:08:13

like the show, recommend it or

1:08:15

give us a nice review. You might

1:08:17

hear your words coming out of our mouths.

1:08:19

Prepare a buoy and launch a windmill. Warning,

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buoys. Our emergency crew is warning.

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This one is a review of The

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Greatest Generation, our other

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hit Star Trek podcast, and it's

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from Apple Podcasts in the

1:08:35

UK. Best Trek Show. I've

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been a listener for a long time and thought

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it best. I actually write a review. Ben and

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Adam produce an amazing podcast any

1:08:44

Star Trek fan should listen to.

1:08:47

It's not only hilarious, but it's

1:08:49

informative, comforting, and has just the

1:08:51

right amount of everything you could

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ever want. I did

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a few watch-alongs as I went, and it

1:08:57

really reignited my love for Star Trek and

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kept me entertained for years. Thank

1:09:03

you, guys. Thank you, Bristol

1:09:05

Eddie, for writing that great

1:09:08

review. That was great. Thanks, Bristol Eddie. I

1:09:11

think we should probably leave it right about there,

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huh? I think that's what

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we came here to do, and I think we

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both became nicer having

1:09:20

done it. Yeah, we didn't even

1:09:22

have to have our DNA altered for that. Alrighty,

1:09:26

we'll be back at you next week

1:09:28

with more Star Trek Discovery. Greatest

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Trek is an Uxbridge Shmoda podcast on

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the Maximum Fund Network. It's

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hosted by Ben Harrison and Adam Brannicott. It's

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produced by Windy Pretty, and this episode was

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edited by Ryan Weeden. Next week

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on Friday, we'll be back with coverage of

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Season 5 of Star Trek Discovery, called

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The Mirror. Thanks to

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Adam Maguisia, who composed the theme music for

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Greatest Trek. You can find his YouTube cooking

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channel and his YouTube channel.

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to online. Also

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