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the makers of the greatest generation.

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranika

1:26

and this is pilot season. Pilot

1:29

season nearing a close,

1:32

nearing a conclusion. It

1:34

feels good to finally have a show with pilots in

1:36

it. Like actual

1:38

pilots. That's good. That's

1:40

fair. Yeah. We're wrapping it up with

1:43

a bang. This is the first of

1:45

a two parter of pilot

1:48

season. We've been going back through sci-fi

1:50

from the mid 90s to mid 2000s

1:52

and watching pilot episodes.

1:58

Right. This is one of those. like

2:01

it was a TV movie that they were

2:03

like let's see if the TV movie gets

2:05

any traction and if it does we'll take

2:07

it to series kind of TV movies. And

2:10

boy oh boy did this one get traction. This

2:12

one was like the highest rated show on

2:15

sci-fi that year and I think the highest

2:17

rated show they ever aired for several years.

2:20

Wow. Was this mini series. Good

2:22

for them. Yeah. Check out

2:24

the knobby tires on this pilot. You're

2:29

tracking baby. Did you see it

2:31

when it dropped? Did not. I

2:34

probably watched it on like DVD a

2:37

few years later. So this

2:39

wasn't completely new to you. No I

2:41

think um but I'm not sure if I

2:43

watched the mini series. I think I might

2:46

have just gotten like the DVDs of the

2:48

first season and watched that because

2:50

I didn't really remember any of this stuff. I

2:52

definitely missed it when it initially

2:55

came out and I ended up

2:57

catching it on streaming. Yeah. And

3:00

this is like one of the rare instances

3:02

where my wife actually proposed watching

3:05

this and like reminded

3:07

me of her hard

3:09

sci-fi bona fides you know.

3:12

Like she was down. She encouraged

3:14

this. And I'm glad she did

3:16

because like once we started with the mini series we

3:18

absolutely motored through the rest

3:21

of it for sure and like there's

3:23

a lot of it to binge out there. There

3:25

sure is. This is one of those

3:27

franchises that really had staying power. I

3:29

mean this is like a reboot of a reboot

3:31

right? Yeah. There was two previous

3:34

series of Battlestar. I mean

3:36

and they had attempted to create

3:38

not just reboots but like subsequent

3:40

series to the story. Right.

3:43

And those ended up not really getting

3:45

anywhere until the idea for

3:47

this came around. Yeah and

3:49

this spawned its own series

3:51

of I mean like Caprica is a

3:54

Battlestar thing right? It is yeah. Yeah

3:56

and that's is that a prequel series? It is.

4:00

Yeah, see I never seen any of this stuff.

4:02

Oh you got to Ben. You

4:04

have so much to watch now that we're

4:06

reaching the end of pilot season. Yeah,

4:09

I tried to watch

4:11

further episodes of

4:14

a couple of these series and just couldn't, just

4:17

couldn't bring myself. I've got

4:19

higher hopes for this one

4:22

for you. I think it's

4:24

pretty addictive. So I lost my job.

4:28

One more episode? Yeah,

4:31

I remember getting

4:33

really annoyed by the Doctor

4:35

character with the first season.

4:37

Like just kind of constantly

4:40

turning away from everyone and

4:45

going into his fugue states or whatever. I

4:48

remember he just really rubbed

4:50

me the wrong way as a writing flourish.

4:52

I mean hard to beat Gaius

4:54

Veltar in the looks department, Ben.

4:57

He's hunky, he's easy on the eyes. You

5:00

can see why he can attract a

5:02

lady as great looking as the

5:05

one he does despite being

5:07

such a worm. I

5:09

mean he could probably attract all types of women, no

5:11

robo. Yeah,

5:15

I mean I would say that as problematic

5:17

as it is, no robo is kind of the

5:19

raison de etre

5:22

of humanity in this show. Sure

5:25

is. Maybe we should get into it. Can't

5:29

wait, Ben. Interesting detail

5:31

about when this episode

5:33

dropped. The day after

5:36

Pearl Harbor Day. Wow. December

5:38

8th, 2003 is when our ninth episode of

5:44

pilot season finds itself. It's the

5:46

Battlestar Galactica mini series. And

5:49

in this episode of Greatest Trek, we're gonna cover

5:51

part one. You know the greatest danger facing us

5:53

is an irrational fear of the unknown. It's been

5:55

two or three years, 20 years. I

5:58

think part of the reason. I like

6:02

this so much is like the Ronald D.

6:04

Moore-ness of it. It seems

6:06

like his writing DNA

6:08

is something that I find very

6:10

pleasing in my sci-fi. It's

6:13

real Ronald D. Morey. Yeah. And,

6:16

uh... Yep. Yeah,

6:18

I mean, I'm glad that

6:20

that guy's still out there making shows. Yeah. I

6:23

haven't watched all of For All Mankind, but

6:25

I've watched like the first couple of seasons

6:27

and really enjoyed. Oh, you gotcha. I mean,

6:29

to catch back up. I'm

6:33

laughing because there are some parts of

6:35

it that are unintentionally funny, but not

6:38

as a deterrent in any way by

6:41

saying that. We open with

6:43

some kind of on-screen text

6:46

describing the Cylon War and

6:48

how this was a bad

6:51

thing that happened to humanity 40 years ago.

6:55

And this is not Earth's humanity. This

6:57

is humanity of the

7:00

colonies of Cobol. Is that right? Yeah,

7:03

I think you got that. Something like that. Colonial

7:07

humanity. And that's kind of intercutting

7:09

with this ship docking at a

7:11

space station, which we are

7:13

led to believe is the station where humanity

7:16

kind of holds a vigil to

7:18

maintain diplomatic relations with the Cylons,

7:20

which is what the robots are

7:22

called. And the Cylons

7:24

never show up. I mean,

7:26

are they really relations if it's just

7:28

one person showing up for the date

7:30

for 40 years? And

7:33

it made me wonder whether this was the guy who got

7:36

to do it every year. Like this

7:38

diplomat who works the station, he's got

7:40

his Chachkies on the desk, pictures

7:42

of his family and so forth. It

7:45

seems like it kind of lived in place

7:47

for how sparse it is. Imagine

7:51

this is your job. And

7:53

imagine you've been doing this for 40 years and

7:55

the door finally opens on the other side. What

7:58

a shock. It's a total shock. What

8:01

did you make of this guy? Because you get

8:03

a couple of images of him, and

8:06

I couldn't tell if they were trying to old

8:08

up a younger actor, or if he

8:10

was just supposed to look crusty. You're

8:13

talking about the milky eyes? The

8:16

milky eyes, there's like crust around his

8:18

mouth, and he's like, it seems

8:21

like there's like that technique where

8:23

you stretch somebody's skin out around their eyes

8:25

and then paint on latex makeup, and then

8:28

let it dry. Famously

8:30

an entire next generation movie about

8:32

that technique, right? Exactly.

8:35

Yeah, there is a quality to old man

8:37

mouth crust, isn't there? That is deeply

8:40

troubling. I don't like it. Especially

8:44

when you see what

8:46

this guy does with that mouth. Yeah,

8:49

like when she asks

8:51

him, are you alive? I'm

8:53

like, mmm, is

8:57

he? Is that a boner

8:59

question? Oh, like

9:01

did it move is the translation?

9:03

Yeah. Don't wait till I contact

9:05

you! I'm coming out! He doesn't

9:08

really know how to answer that. He's not used

9:10

to anyone walking through those

9:12

doors, let alone. We

9:14

should describe what we're seeing here. The

9:16

Cylons are robot people, but the

9:18

third figure is a lady, at

9:21

least presents as a lady, and she's

9:23

got a hot red dress on, and

9:25

she's got blonde hair, and she doesn't

9:27

sit at the desk where this

9:29

diplomat is. She gets right on the other side

9:31

of it and practically sits in this guy's

9:33

lap before kissing him. Practically

9:35

sits on this guy's face, honestly.

9:38

Yeah. Very horny sequence. He

9:40

does have a little printout showing what Cylons are

9:42

supposed to look like. Yeah. And

9:45

the ones that come through that don't

9:47

look like hot blondes are a

9:50

very highly updated

9:52

edition of this. It's

9:54

unclear whether they want to fuck also, or maybe

9:56

they're just kind of waiting for her to start

9:58

it off and then... They're going to get into

10:01

it after a little bit? Uh-huh. I think

10:03

that they're just waiting for her to distract

10:05

her so that they can take his medicine.

10:07

I don't even know why the scientists make

10:09

them. I mean, they have those long fingers.

10:11

They probably wouldn't have to walk very far

10:13

across the room to get

10:15

it. Because they're made of metal and

10:17

robots are strong. They look really cool.

10:19

So we learned from her very little,

10:21

but we learned it has begun. And

10:23

then we cut to the outside while

10:25

this make-out sesh is happening. And

10:28

a very advanced looking spaceship

10:30

missiles the space station and

10:33

destroys it. This is erotic

10:36

symbolism, right? This is what's going

10:38

on in that old man's pants. Oh, shoot.

10:41

Fucking cute. Like,

10:44

there's the suggestion of

10:47

rigidity there before it just completely

10:50

folds over and explodes. He

10:54

tried. What

10:57

a way to go out. Yeah.

11:00

Kind of a weird choice for the

11:02

robots to make, right? Like a, hey,

11:04

let's send an emissary to be mean

11:06

to this one guy and then destroy

11:08

them and him. Yeah,

11:10

it seems like an

11:13

unnecessary amount of force against

11:15

this one guy in this weak station.

11:19

So we cut over to our

11:21

hero ship of the series, the

11:23

Battlestar Galactica. You

11:27

know, I think initially we don't get a great sense

11:29

of the scale of this ship, but we do get

11:32

a sense of how great this

11:34

set is because these are like

11:36

long unbroken shots where,

11:38

you know, we start with Starbuck, who

11:40

is one of our other stars. And

11:42

she is like on a jog

11:45

through the ship and runs through what looks

11:48

like kind of like a media tour of the

11:50

ship. Some kind of, you

11:52

know, government or naval stooge is giving

11:55

this tour and talking about all the

11:57

things that the ship has

11:59

that. are interesting.

12:01

This guy's name is Dorrell. He'll

12:03

come up a few times over the course

12:05

of the episode. This is my

12:08

favorite kind of story building

12:10

here. Like, you're so right

12:12

about this single shot

12:14

floating around, but that we're just

12:16

learning things incidentally because they

12:18

happen to be occurring in these different parts

12:20

of the ship. Yeah. I think

12:22

it's a great way to introduce things and people and the

12:25

moment in time that we're in. But

12:27

it's like, man, what a big swing

12:29

for this as a miniseries to build a

12:31

set this big because you can't do a

12:33

long one or like this and

12:36

have it be an interesting and effective shot

12:38

if you have two hallways to use. Like

12:40

they have a great big set

12:42

here. We

12:45

meet a Dama who's the

12:47

commander of Dama, but commander

12:49

seems to outrank captain in

12:51

this world. Right. So

12:54

meet some orange

12:56

suited engineering staff.

12:58

We meet a lot of people over the course of

13:01

this sequence. There's a

13:03

way that a Dama is treated that

13:05

I think is really important in these

13:08

initial scenes. He's like, given

13:11

the kind of respect and reverence of

13:13

a guy who's been around the block

13:15

for decades like him, but

13:18

he's also not feared

13:21

in these moments as a hardass. Like

13:23

he seems to have a kind of

13:25

open way of communicating with his subordinates

13:28

that is not something that's

13:30

taken advantage of. It's just something that's

13:32

utilized by them. Yeah. And

13:34

you get the sense like he's kind

13:36

of like going over this speech and

13:39

and muttering to himself and gets

13:42

an update from one

13:44

of his subordinates about like a request that somebody

13:46

go out and check on the diplomatic station because

13:48

they haven't heard from it in a while. And

13:51

he's like, well, today is

13:53

busy. And the tone of that is like,

13:55

that's not going to be us because like,

13:57

obviously that's not going to be us. Right.

13:59

Because And not only is Adama

14:01

treated with the respect conveyed

14:04

to a heroic person who's

14:06

being sunsetted, the ship

14:08

is being treated the same way. The

14:10

ship's conversion into a museum makes it

14:13

unfit for any kind of

14:15

mission that isn't park around

14:17

a planet and start tearing tickets

14:19

for people. But what's

14:21

troubling about this moment is the

14:24

Al-Qaeda planning imminent attackness of the

14:26

moment, like the report just being

14:28

kind of dismissed. Right.

14:32

Yeah, that was his morning briefing and he had

14:34

an opportunity to do something right then and there.

14:36

Yeah. Yeah, instead of

14:38

the briefing, he's shown the Mark

14:40

II fighter in the fighter

14:43

bay. And he's pretty psyched about this

14:45

because it's the first time he's seen one of these in

14:47

20 years. And this one's

14:49

done up in like his colors. And

14:51

it's got his name on the side

14:53

of the cockpit. And

14:55

this is, I think, both

14:57

given and received as a

15:00

kind of gift for Adama.

15:02

Yeah. So there's this main

15:04

guy, Crew Chief Tyrol, and

15:06

he seems to be sort

15:09

of the... He's

15:11

both the head of engineering,

15:13

but also seems to be kind

15:15

of like head of the flight deck on

15:18

this ship. He and a

15:20

couple of his guys scrounged up

15:22

this legendary old Viper fighter and

15:24

it's going to be part of

15:26

the exhibit, but it's also going

15:28

to take part in the commemoration.

15:30

She'll fly. Oh, yes,

15:32

sir. It's an interesting

15:34

trick that this episode pulls because

15:36

I think that by casting Edward

15:39

James Olmos as Adama and

15:41

by making the set look

15:43

as vintage as it does, like, you

15:46

know, we didn't talk about the bridge

15:48

when we went in there, but like

15:50

the bridge is huge, but it's also

15:52

got some like real 70s flair to

15:55

the way they designed it. And the

15:57

starfighters have some real 70s flair to it. them,

16:00

it feels old in

16:02

the way that it needs to for

16:04

there to be some gravitas. I

16:08

mean, it's a magic trick when you're

16:10

talking about the future's past, which is

16:12

still ostensibly our future.

16:15

Right. And you're watching this guy

16:18

at the end of his jaunt

16:20

as a highly respected

16:22

commander in this military.

16:24

We just met this guy. We're like less

16:27

than 10 minutes into this episode. And it's like, man,

16:29

like what a cool gesture that they did for him.

16:31

You know, I think it also works

16:34

in this show's favor that even

16:36

though the original Battlestar Galactica show

16:39

was on TV after original series

16:41

Star Trek, like they

16:43

chose right in their fightership designs.

16:46

Like this doesn't look like the

16:49

shuttlecraft Galileo in the shuttle bay

16:51

of the D. It doesn't look

16:53

that out of place. It looks

16:56

contextually right. It looks great.

16:59

And the fighter bay set is also like totally

17:01

great. I think they're digitally

17:03

expanding it, making it look a lot

17:06

bigger than it actually is. But the

17:08

fact that there are full size jets

17:10

rolling around in there and like

17:13

people can climb up a ladder and get into them.

17:16

It's something we remarked on in

17:19

our bonus episode that

17:21

we just dropped in the Max

17:23

Fun bonus content feed. We

17:25

reviewed a show called Space Above and Beyond and

17:27

it makes such a difference when

17:29

they actually build the single

17:31

flyer spaceship that people are going to

17:34

use in the episode. You know? Yeah.

17:37

There's another one of those moments where

17:40

it's very Picardian of Adama to like

17:42

accept the generosity and love of his

17:44

crew in this way and not like

17:46

a very like emotional scene for him.

17:49

But clearly like he's he's touched by this. This is a

17:51

good moment. Yeah. Thank

17:54

you all. They found an old

17:56

picture of him with a couple of boys

17:58

standing in front of this. hyper

18:01

This is also a very touching moment

18:03

They do kind of biff this one

18:05

where they make the classic film and

18:08

television era of getting a punch in

18:10

close-up on the badly Photoshopped image

18:12

that would have like it would have just been fine

18:14

to have like the medium shot of him holding it

18:16

and you can See it's a man and two boys

18:19

and we'll do the math But going

18:21

in for that close-up and and laying

18:23

bare how bad the Photoshop is on

18:25

this is like one of those things

18:27

that Bumps me every single time if

18:29

you can't be so much better

18:31

than Forrest Gump at this Then

18:34

you shouldn't try it all. Just don't

18:37

bother. Yeah Speaking

18:42

of being touched there's a card

18:44

game in the lower

18:46

decks where Starbuck is playing

18:49

with Colonel

18:51

Teague and you can tell

18:53

from jump that they are two characters that

18:55

do not like each other Where'd

18:59

you get that nickname anyway? She

19:01

wins big and the problem with winning

19:04

in a game like this where there's

19:06

already Some frayed nerves

19:09

is that she's a sore winner also And

19:12

she's needling him the whole time

19:14

and when he pushes over

19:16

the table Does that

19:18

dramatic table flip that is

19:20

really like the dream I think in any

19:22

argument? Never been able to

19:24

do it He flips

19:27

that table and she punches him right in the

19:29

face and this seems to be something that he

19:31

has wanted for a long time She's

19:33

been on his list to bust down to

19:35

whatever and in this case bust down to

19:37

the brig Finally, she's given

19:40

him the ammunition Yeah to

19:42

send her away and off to the

19:44

brig she goes Colonel Teague is a

19:46

character that we saw in our Lung

19:49

wonder at the beginning of the episode Looking

19:52

a little bit worse for wear and

19:54

starts the scene like tipping a flask

19:56

into his cup of coffee so

19:59

he He seems to be the second

20:02

in command who's doing all

20:04

the asshole shit that the big boss doesn't.

20:07

Like, everybody loves and respects

20:09

Adama, and basically everybody

20:12

but Adama hates this guy's

20:14

guts. And he's a drunk,

20:16

and he probably kind of did this to goad

20:18

Starbuck into smacking him so he could send her

20:20

to the brig. I don't find

20:23

that anything really mixes with coffee in

20:25

the way that Teague is doing this.

20:27

Like, flask of whiskey

20:29

or whatever in coffee? I

20:32

don't like that very much. Yeah,

20:34

no, I don't think that Teague

20:36

is doing it because it's like

20:38

gustatorily advantageous. Yeah,

20:41

yeah, his let's drink about it is

20:43

they're about to decommission my ship, and

20:46

I'm about to bust

20:48

down Starbucks finally after

20:50

decades of service. Life

20:54

defense. Colonel Teague,

20:56

they've been pulling the big chair out for

20:58

you for years, and you always turn it

21:00

down because you want to keep serving under

21:02

Adama. But also because you

21:05

know that if you

21:07

drink your ass off like this and are

21:09

the actual commanding officer of a vessel, that's

21:12

pretty dangerous. I

21:14

just got back not that long ago from

21:16

a yearly golf trip I take with like

21:18

10 other dudes. And if you've ever wondered

21:20

what that's like, an example of

21:23

this is one of my buddies, you know,

21:25

we get to the Airbnb and it's not been stocked

21:27

yet. We don't have the basics. We don't even have

21:30

coffee. But what we do have

21:32

is all the booze we brought. And

21:35

so my buddy, absent coffee, every

21:38

morning, just drink Kahlua.

21:42

Kahlua in a mug. I

21:46

thought it was the damnedest thing. Like

21:48

let's go get coffee, man. I want coffee. I

21:50

don't want to drink Kahlua every morning. That's

21:54

crazy. Like pour Kahlua into a mug and then

21:56

throw it in the microwave for a couple of

21:58

minutes to warm it up. Every

22:00

morning to the brim, Kahlua.

22:05

Just amazing. Next

22:07

scene is Adama kind of trying

22:09

to talk this dude out of

22:11

pressing charges against Starbuck

22:15

and it's an interesting dynamic. There

22:18

does seem to be some respect between

22:20

these men even though Colonel Teague is

22:22

like drunk at work. Right. Damn

22:25

right I am. I heard you started

22:27

the day off pretty early. I mean

22:29

there is a geometry to the affection

22:31

here that's interesting because like Tyga and

22:33

Adama are tight. Adama

22:36

and Starbuck are tight. Tyga

22:38

and Starbuck are not. And

22:40

so like there's this dynamic

22:42

here where Adama's like come on

22:44

man. Like really? What

22:47

the fuck? And Tyg's like yeah

22:49

no what the fuck. Fuck me

22:51

right? And Adama's point is like could

22:53

you like she's cool. She's

22:55

cool with me. You can't be such

22:57

a hard ass to her. She's like one of my best people

23:00

and I really like her. That's kind

23:02

of the takeaway here. Like would you just do

23:04

this for me? Because we're buds. Not

23:06

be such an asshole to her. Yeah. So

23:10

that is agreed. It's just going to be

23:12

a let her cool off in the brig

23:14

but no charges pressed kind of a thing

23:17

and we cut to Caprica

23:19

City. The capital presumably

23:21

of Caprica the planet. Lots

23:25

of spaceships flying around. Cool futuristic

23:27

looking city. And we

23:29

are in a big doctor's

23:32

office under absolutely

23:34

massive skylights. It kind of looks

23:36

like a fast food restaurant that

23:38

used to have like the terrarium

23:42

style like you know what I'm

23:44

talking about? Like the greenhouse style

23:46

area of the seating. Yeah.

23:50

They took all that out and put

23:52

like an antique desk and chairs in

23:54

there. Right. It's no longer

23:56

in Arby's. The legend Mary McDonald

23:59

sitting there. And a

24:01

doctor comes in with some really bad news for

24:03

her. She's got a lump and

24:06

like we don't get like details on

24:08

the lump. Yeah. Before he starts hissing

24:10

at her really loudly. It's

24:14

confused by this diagnosis. Yeah.

24:16

Well, he's a, he's a snake man. Outside,

24:21

it seems not that far away. Like there's green

24:23

spaces to these future cities. And this is one

24:25

of them. This is the Caprica city market where

24:28

we see the lady from the cold open

24:30

just walking around amongst the people. She's not

24:33

wearing the red dress anymore. She's

24:35

trying to fit in. And

24:39

her way of fitting in is, is noticing

24:41

a mother with a baby in a

24:43

stroller, which she is for

24:45

some reason allowed to hold. And

24:48

what's so great about this performance and the

24:50

way this dialogue is written here is

24:53

that the creepy shit she's

24:55

saying isn't aggressively creepy. It

24:57

is like, whatever the creepy line

25:00

is two full steps back from

25:02

that into like just kind of

25:05

weird observation, creepy, like

25:07

clinically creepy. Yeah. Low

25:13

key. This scene really bespeaks what

25:15

an ideal society this must be

25:17

because like somebody comes up to

25:19

me and I've never met them

25:21

before. Even if they look

25:24

like this lady and asked to hold my

25:26

baby. I'm like, nah, pause.

25:28

Like, I don't know you. I'm

25:31

not letting you pick my baby

25:33

up. Strange person. And it's

25:35

like a bit of a weird thing about having a little

25:37

baby. Like there are people that just kind of feel entitled

25:39

to reach out and touch the baby. And

25:42

I mean, the Rone is now old

25:45

enough that it's not really happening anymore,

25:47

but, uh, really prided myself on like

25:49

ducking and weaving out of the way when

25:51

people reach out to try and put an

25:54

unasked for hand on him. Yeah.

25:56

But like, I was like, man, like what, what

25:59

kind of like. society would I live in where

26:01

I just trusted a stranger enough to be like, yeah,

26:03

go ahead. I would let

26:05

this Cylon hold me today. And

26:09

when she is allowed to pick up the baby, I mean,

26:12

it's not, it doesn't get any

26:15

more creepy than it was in the

26:17

30 seconds before. But what's

26:19

tough is like, when the mother's back is

26:21

turned, you know, as

26:23

the mom is like trying to get

26:26

the attention of her husband or whatever.

26:28

Yeah. And that very elegantly blocked scene

26:31

takes place where she

26:33

kills this baby in the crib and you

26:35

don't see it and you don't hear it

26:39

crucially. I think this is really

26:41

well done because I heard a

26:43

crack. The trauma of the moment is in

26:45

the reaction. And I think

26:47

when bad things happen

26:50

in movies and TV, those are the

26:52

most powerful forms that they appear

26:54

in, I think. Yeah. I

26:58

didn't hear a crack. Were you teasing me? I didn't hear

27:00

a crack. You heard a baby's neck crack? Yeah.

27:04

I heard like a crack of the

27:06

back level crack. Oh, were you

27:08

listening to this in headphones? No. Huh?

27:12

Yeah, I didn't hear it. I was watching it on my television

27:14

here in my office. Maybe I was cracking my own back during.

27:18

That is, I

27:20

would say likely you were cracking your back during. Yeah,

27:22

I do a lot. You're like, oh yeah, this scene.

27:25

Oh, I love this. Ah,

27:27

stretch it out. Yeah. It's

27:30

so upsetting. I think the senselessness

27:32

of it is what's upsetting. But

27:35

that's important for this character, right?

27:37

The idea that the

27:39

Cylon is moving through this society

27:42

without the...maybe she's aware

27:47

of it, but absent any kind

27:49

of feeling about the lives around

27:51

her whatsoever. Like these are fucking

27:54

science experiments around her that she

27:56

could perform whatever she wants on.

28:00

She alludes to the

28:02

fact that everybody's going to be

28:04

dead pretty soon anyways, so like

28:06

doesn't really matter. But

28:11

just from like a trolley problem standpoint, like

28:14

she's she is magically splitting

28:16

the trolley to go down both

28:18

tracks. Yeah. You know, yeah, somebody

28:20

make that mean. We

28:24

cut over to the palatial

28:26

estate of Gaius Beltar. He's

28:29

a famous scientist of

28:31

some renown, and he's got some

28:33

controversial opinions about A.I. He's

28:36

sitting for a remote interview with

28:39

a newscaster and in

28:41

walks the lady Cylon like she's

28:43

been there dozens of times before.

28:47

And when the interview is over,

28:49

they get right down to the fucking. And

28:52

this fucking looks pretty spine tingling

28:55

when you see the behind her angle. Yeah,

28:59

she's got Carlax infernal engine in there

29:01

somewhere. It's simply too hot to exist

29:03

here in a material plane. Is she

29:06

wearing leather underwear? Yeah,

29:09

what an outfit, right? It's like kind

29:11

of like a see through top and

29:13

skirt and then sort of a black

29:15

leather bikini underneath for

29:17

modesty. There's

29:20

an aspect to casting here that

29:22

I think I

29:25

think is pretty important because I don't think you

29:27

just want to cast hot. You

29:30

want to cast threat also, and

29:33

the actor who plays this character,

29:35

Trisha Helfer, like really does that.

29:37

Yeah, there's sort of a seven of nininess

29:39

to this character, right? Yeah,

29:42

I'm number six. She's like so

29:44

much taller than most of the

29:46

characters that she's around, including Gaius

29:48

Beltar. She's she just like

29:50

seems more powerful than everybody.

29:54

And Gaius Beltar, controversial

29:57

views on advancing computer technology and

29:59

also. on having sex with baby

30:02

murdering robot ladies. You

30:04

got to believe he's doing a good job if

30:06

her spine turns red, right? Like that's,

30:09

that's good. It's a good sign. Maybe.

30:11

Right? I don't know.

30:13

I would, I've never gotten someone's spine

30:16

red. I've

30:18

had people try and like claim that their spine

30:20

is red, but you know, like you look over

30:22

and catch a glimpse in the mirror and you're

30:24

like, come on. Yeah. Don't bullshit a bullshitter. The

30:27

greatest trick is yet to keep. We

30:31

cut over to Galactica and a

30:33

Viper is entering the hangar. It's

30:36

pilot, Lee Adama. This is

30:38

captain Adama's son. Another fucking

30:40

nepo, baby. I'm going to keep calling

30:43

him captain Adama where I, where I

30:45

shouldn't. Commander Adama. Yeah. The Edward James

30:47

almost character. And cause Lee is the

30:50

captain, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's

30:53

very confusing. I got tripped up there. He

30:55

doesn't like being

30:57

there. He doesn't like landing

30:59

his, his jet manually, but

31:02

that's the way commander Adama likes it. It doesn't

31:04

sound like there was a choice in the matter.

31:06

Like the technology does not exist on the ship

31:08

for whatever guided landing these jets

31:10

can do. And that was explained a little

31:13

bit in that opener as well. Like

31:15

everything is wired. There's not

31:17

wireless all over this ship. Yeah.

31:19

There are computers, but not network

31:22

computers and the ship is

31:24

kind of intentionally not heavily

31:27

reliant on automation because

31:29

the silons threatened that

31:32

type of vulnerability specifically. Don't

31:34

you love the detail of

31:36

dot matrix printers being the

31:39

most visual form of that?

31:41

Hey, I'm fucking up my

31:43

camp. Yeah. I did sort

31:45

of want like, you

31:47

know, spoiler alert for later in the

31:50

episode, but you know, Africa starts getting

31:52

exploded later and I sort

31:54

of wanted there to just be a hail

31:57

of little like corners of pieces of

31:59

paper. falling everywhere, you

32:01

know? Yeah, yeah. Because that's

32:04

the other thing, is they clip the corners off

32:06

of every piece of paper in this show. And

32:10

presumably there's just like a dump somewhere full

32:12

of those paper corners, right? Have

32:14

you noticed that some

32:17

brands of premium toilet paper, like the

32:19

kind that I keep in my house,

32:22

are not doing straight line cuts, they're

32:24

doing a wavy cut? Oh.

32:26

Because the idea is it's a cleaner pull

32:29

when you pull it off the roll. Wow.

32:31

Like it just blurps right across

32:33

instead of like sometimes you'll pull

32:36

the toilet paper and

32:38

it'll like flubble, flubble, like it'll just

32:40

roll on out on you in an

32:43

annoying way. Yeah, or you just get a little

32:45

bit of corner from the next piece. This

32:47

seems like that. Like if you

32:49

create your dot matrix printer paper

32:52

in this format, maybe it's easier

32:54

to rip off the printer. Oh

32:57

shit, but also, you know, we

32:59

just recently on the hit Star

33:01

Trek podcast, The Greatest Generation opened

33:03

a gift from a viewer

33:05

in the UK who

33:08

lovingly recreated the Costa-Mojan,

33:10

like, Pah-Raith book from

33:13

Deep Space Nine. Yeah.

33:16

And that has also got the corners

33:18

clipped off. How about that? Maybe

33:20

these people are Pah-Raith people. Remains

33:23

to be seen. Yeah,

33:25

who knows? So there's a

33:28

very brief moment where the crew chief

33:30

is seen fooling around with a lieutenant

33:32

that we know a little bit more

33:34

about later on. And

33:36

this is right next to a flight

33:38

crew meeting that's happening. Liodama arrives and

33:41

boy, we got a great big surprise for you,

33:43

Liodama. You're going to love it. You're

33:45

going to get to fly your dad's old

33:47

Viper during the ceremony. And everyone like does

33:50

that thing where you're in a crowded room

33:52

and like everyone turns around to look. And

33:54

they're expecting to see a sun

33:57

filled with pride, you know, at being given the

33:59

opportunity to fly. to do this great thing.

34:01

He's not happy about this at all. And everyone

34:04

seems kind of put off by how not into

34:06

it he is. Apollo came

34:08

aboard the Battlestar with

34:10

a chip on his shoulder and

34:13

carries that chip through this whole meeting. And

34:17

it seems like he's got some pals in

34:19

this room, like people he knows from other

34:22

postings or whatever, but

34:24

he's not happy to be here, despite the

34:26

fact that this does really seem to

34:29

be an honor that he's being given

34:31

to fly this Viper in this ceremony.

34:34

Yeah, kind of don't

34:36

like his shit attitude right away. Like this

34:38

isn't a character that's introduced to like in

34:40

the way that so many others have been,

34:42

right? Right. For

34:45

example, Robot Lady

34:47

and Gaius, who we cut over to see on

34:50

Caprica, they're walking around.

34:52

We learned that, so Gaius Beltar

34:54

is this computer genius who

34:57

works with the Ministry of Defense and

35:00

has been advocating for greater

35:02

embrasure of artificial intelligence

35:05

in a society that is

35:07

still licking its wounds 40

35:09

years after a brutal war with

35:11

artificial intelligences. It becomes clear

35:13

that he's really opened up the

35:16

computational kimono to the

35:18

blonde lady in

35:20

terms of letting her see

35:23

what's going on in the Department

35:25

of Defense's computer systems. Is

35:28

that so hard? He believes that she is part

35:30

of some kind of company

35:32

that's going to be bidding for defense contracts.

35:35

When I open up my computational

35:38

kimono, you can see two zeros

35:40

and a one. Is

35:44

that one kind of hanging in front of

35:46

the zeros or is it like up above

35:48

the zeros? Right in the middle. Wow. Good

35:51

for you. This seems to be

35:54

like a situation where he

35:56

has a lot of power and

35:59

she's got career ambitions and

36:01

he's kind of helping her out. You know,

36:04

it feels like a little bit

36:06

innocent in that way, in a way

36:08

that Gaius Baltar can't possibly know

36:10

the truth about. Like, he thinks

36:12

it's one way, but it is really not.

36:15

He just thinks it's quid pro dome.

36:17

Yeah. Yeah. And when

36:19

he leaves, she turns around and talks to

36:21

someone who isn't there or who

36:23

we never see. And

36:26

that's going to be something that's more a

36:28

thing for his character going forward. I mean,

36:31

I think that's probably something that attracted

36:33

him to her because as we've said

36:35

many times before on this show, nobody

36:38

fucks like crazy. Yeah. Over

36:43

on Galactica, Laura Roslin arrives with

36:45

a real cousin Greg kind of

36:47

assistant with her. I can take

36:49

a lot in terms of psychological

36:51

pain. So, yeah. I

36:53

love this guy. Yeah. I

36:57

love that not everyone in

36:59

science fiction has like a

37:01

natural understanding of how ships

37:03

work or how to navigate

37:05

them or whatever. Of course, he finds his way

37:07

to the bathroom. Yeah. The co-ed shower

37:10

area. Yeah. He walks

37:12

into a scene from Starship

37:14

Troopers and is like, whoa, what's going

37:16

on in here? This guy's great. Yeah.

37:19

And we also get to see

37:21

some some of the hangar area that is

37:23

going to be the main

37:25

part of the museum, like visitor information

37:27

system and, you know, signs hanging and

37:30

exhibits getting set up and stuff. One

37:33

of the few like illustrations of

37:35

the museum that this ship is

37:37

scheduled to become. Meanwhile,

37:40

Laura Roslin, the Mary McDonald

37:42

character, is getting toured around

37:45

and we kind of learn that

37:48

she is the secretary of education and

37:50

she is the kind of like

37:52

lead dignitary for this ceremony that everybody's

37:55

been getting ready for. So she's got

37:57

pretty reasonable requests, right? She's like. look,

37:59

if this is gonna be a museum

38:01

ship, we're gonna be taking children's field

38:03

trips through here constantly. You

38:05

know what children's field trips

38:07

like? Little computer stations.

38:10

Yeah. Why don't we set them up all over

38:12

the place? And boy,

38:15

Edama has a pretty bright line

38:17

against this idea. I love how

38:21

extremely clear he is about

38:24

not ever having networked computers on his

38:26

ship in a way that again, like

38:30

walks up to being an asshole and

38:32

takes two steps back from it. He's

38:34

not being an asshole. He's just stating

38:36

an opinion he has very strongly and

38:38

also it's his ship and those

38:40

are his orders. He's just being

38:42

unequivocal. Yeah, nothing wrong with that. No.

38:45

I'm sorry that I'm inconveniencing you with

38:47

the teachers, but I

38:49

will not allow network computerized

38:51

system to be placed on the ship while

38:53

I'm in command. Is

38:55

that clear? Yes, sir. Thank you. Excuse me.

38:58

Everyone's jacking off with paper stuff,

39:00

right? Like, that's what's

39:03

going on on this ship. Vanessa,

39:05

that's mine. Like a good 25% of

39:08

the mass of this ship is just...

39:11

It's paper porn. Yeah, reams of paper

39:13

porn. Paper

39:16

porn with the corners of the pages

39:18

cut off. Right, so it doesn't like

39:20

stack perfectly, you know. Like

39:23

from a space efficiency standpoint, they could

39:25

be doing better, but they're not because

39:28

they're committed to an aesthetic. If

39:30

you were wondering if Gaius Baltar was

39:33

exclusive with his blonde lady friend,

39:35

he is not and we learned that in

39:37

the next scene that when he is woken

39:40

up by his blonde lady friend

39:42

while he's in bed with a

39:44

different lover and he tries

39:46

to make the case that this is just who I am,

39:48

baby. You Do this about

39:51

me when you started hooking up with me and

39:53

you asked me if I loved you and I

39:55

very definitely said I did not. You remember that,

39:57

right? I Told you when we got together, baby.

40:00

It be that you're gonna

40:02

have to share me with

40:04

every other lady on this

40:06

planet. half see. Is

40:08

not upset for the reasons you

40:10

might. Presume. She's

40:12

not mad. She. Just

40:15

really nice to tell him something that good

40:17

to hear what that is. Because Rebecca Galactica

40:19

again and. It's. Picture Day. That

40:21

like the press is a big part of

40:23

this show. At this point the press is

40:25

covering that the decommissioning of the ship. They

40:28

want to take pictures. Of. The

40:30

commander in his son and they're kind

40:32

of. assuming. A relationship

40:34

that isn't there. In a

40:36

way that really makes a lot of sense,

40:38

makes a lot of awkward sense like. Wanted.

40:41

To put your arm around him. Rights.

40:43

Cause is your son. Or. Whatever

40:45

we learned from a brief seen

40:48

in the brig were Apollo

40:50

went to visit his old pal

40:52

Starbucks. that. He. And

40:54

his dad are both grieving the

40:56

loss of his brother. The.

40:59

Other little boy from that

41:01

photographs and grieving and ways

41:03

that have kind of driven

41:05

them apart as people so

41:08

that is especially. Uncomfortable

41:10

in the scene like. The

41:12

haven't even talked to each other in two years

41:15

and they're being asked to. Way to sum it

41:17

up for the cameras and. It's

41:19

ugly, like barely sell it. I thought that the

41:21

acting in this is really good. like they did

41:23

the smile that they needed to do to get

41:25

these people out of the room but neither from

41:28

lights doing it and then they have a little

41:30

confrontation. I like how we don't cut away after

41:32

their picture like I like how we get right

41:34

into it. Up to the Presley's. Yeah

41:36

and like it's a Apollo saying like a

41:39

like There was nothing in my orders about

41:41

being like congenial with. My. Estranged

41:43

father when I came aboard like I did

41:45

mass to be here. I'm I'm here because

41:47

this is Rose told the Go and that's

41:50

how my life works. and also my brother

41:52

was a city pilot and never should have

41:54

been a pilot if a work for your

41:56

string polling. So you killed my brother. Really

41:59

rare. Observe the heat here pretty fast.

42:02

Between them the. Be. And

42:04

Epo baby worked out great for me,

42:06

but not for Zach. A bit back

42:08

for Zach. This

42:11

is one of those scenes that's blocked in

42:14

that way where. Edward James Olmos.

42:16

His character is like. Looking.

42:19

Toward the camera. Well. Over

42:21

his shoulder his son is kind of

42:23

looking at him and us to. And.

42:26

Like in the real life composition of

42:28

this moment. like they're not looking at

42:31

each other. Wrote. The sun

42:33

is to stock into his father's back

42:35

when my wife and I have a

42:37

difference of opinion and I attempt to

42:40

move to make real this very classic.

42:42

Framing. From. Film and Television?

42:44

Which one? Are you the the center?

42:47

The father in this examples of though

42:49

I'm the one like looking off into

42:51

the distance of wistfully well I have

42:54

the argument surfer doesn't go over Great

42:56

Pacific specific. There. Are

42:59

six. Been

43:04

it's greatest Trek drive which

43:06

this year is like putting a

43:08

red dress on the Mac.

43:10

Son business assets, Reagan sense

43:12

of sinister. Are

43:16

you alive? Then is the show Allies?

43:18

That's the question you know. Like I

43:20

think that there is a very real

43:22

future in which it is not and

43:25

that is the future in which people

43:27

don't support the worst that we do.

43:29

I mean is very silly show, but

43:32

I think it's also a really. Important

43:34

thing to like: have some light

43:36

hearted Dick and fart jokes about

43:39

your favorite Star Trek shows. You

43:41

know we're from people all the

43:43

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48:00

We cut right back over to

48:02

Gaius Baltar's bedroom, where his Cylon

48:05

lady friend has admitted to him

48:07

that she's a Cylon in

48:09

case his dick didn't notice. And

48:13

her access to the defense mainframe

48:16

really freaks him out. But in a very

48:18

unusual way. Not in the,

48:20

oh my god, I put Caprica and

48:22

the 12 colonies at risk, but rather

48:24

in the, it's all my fault and

48:26

everyone's going to find out it's all my fault kind of way.

48:30

And she latches right on

48:32

to how ugly this moment is

48:34

for him, like as an expression

48:37

of how ugly human beings can be.

48:40

Yeah, like it's not you that

48:42

got fucked. I mean, you did get fucked,

48:44

but your entire species got fucked

48:46

here and you're just, all you

48:48

can do is think about yourself. He

48:50

starts freaking out about treason and so forth.

48:53

And it's almost redundant to

48:55

describe it as cold, but like

48:58

the coldness with which she describes

49:02

a not so distant future where

49:04

he won't be charged with any crimes

49:06

because there won't be no criminal justice

49:08

system left to prosecute

49:10

him is amazing. And

49:13

like the bombs start falling on

49:15

the planet right then and

49:17

there. Yeah,

49:19

there's kind of a flash and we cut

49:21

away, but it is hard to interpret that

49:24

flash as anything but a nuke going off

49:26

over the horizon. What

49:28

do you think about the choice to make this

49:30

moment beautiful? Because I thought

49:32

it was like the way the way

49:34

the flash happens over the ridge line

49:37

and like how beautiful this

49:39

guy's house is and these two actors are

49:41

very pretty like everything about

49:43

this scene is if you

49:45

weren't listening to the dialogue. Kind

49:48

of breathtaking. I love that

49:50

choice. I think that the tension of

49:53

that is really interesting and great and

49:55

yeah, like it's it warms up the scene

49:57

to like the flash is very yellow and

49:59

it's. It kind of, you know, like

50:01

I think this was probably shot in

50:04

and around Vancouver if I had to guess.

50:07

And the like view out that window

50:09

is like, you know,

50:11

very fancy houses on Puget Sound

50:13

or whatever, where you're,

50:15

you know, looking across water at

50:18

other islands, but it's kind of a

50:20

cold climate. So it's a

50:22

cool color temperature out there. And

50:25

then that explosion kind of like warms it all

50:27

up. Yeah. Is it a beachy vibe?

50:30

I like that choice too. We cut

50:32

over to the Battlestar Galactica

50:34

for the decommissioning ceremony where

50:36

we get the flyby with

50:39

the Vipers. And the music is the

50:41

theme to the original show. Isn't that

50:43

neat? I thought that was great. Yeah.

50:46

A proud moment for everyone. And

50:49

Commander Adama gets introduced

50:51

and he kind of starts

50:54

in on the speech that he was

50:56

practicing before. And

50:59

then he goes off script, man. And it's

51:01

like, you know, it's one of those like,

51:03

oh, the teleprompter is broke and

51:05

this is not going to be

51:07

good. Like this is going to be Gaff City. One

51:11

of my favorite SNL sketches is wake up

51:13

and smile, a sketch from like the mid

51:15

nineties where the teleprompter goes out. You remember

51:17

that? And it turns into Lord of the Flies.

51:19

Yeah. The order of the hand will

51:21

rule. I

51:24

really love how this moment unfolds because

51:26

this is like part of the

51:28

greatness of what a Ronald D. Moore can do

51:30

is like he can write toward the text and

51:33

the subtext at the same time. Right.

51:36

And what happens here is like he allows this

51:38

character to speak towards this general audience, which is

51:40

assembled in the hangar for like

51:42

the museum shit. But when

51:44

we cut over to his son listening along

51:46

in the fighter plane, he's also

51:49

talking specifically to him and

51:51

what he's saying is, is accomplishing both

51:53

things sooner or later. The

51:56

decals, you can't hide

51:58

from the things that you've done anymore. You

52:00

know, it sort of feels like

52:02

the apology he seems to think

52:04

he owes his son for getting

52:08

Zach into the

52:10

military, I guess. Is his

52:13

name really Zach? That's such a classic name

52:15

for a younger brother or something. Younger

52:18

dipshit bad pilot brother. Yeah,

52:21

yeah. The speech also

52:23

seems to hit for Starbuck. I mean, like

52:25

we kind of cut around. Like everybody's listening

52:27

in on this. But I really like that

52:31

this ceremony seems to be something that's

52:33

important to the people that are here

52:35

on Battlestar Galactica, but didn't really seem

52:38

to be something anybody was thinking about

52:41

on Caprica. You

52:43

know, it's just one of like a

52:45

million ribbon cutting things that a secretary

52:47

of blank goes and does throughout the

52:49

course of their day. And like rarely

52:52

are they like newsworthy events, you know?

52:55

Right. The decommissioning of

52:57

a great aircraft carrier hits a

52:59

lot harder and noffick than it

53:01

does in any

53:03

other part of the country. Yeah, I'm sure

53:05

it happens from time to time. I've never

53:07

like opened a newspaper and seen an item

53:10

about it, you know? Sure, yeah.

53:12

So yeah, this feels like a kind of a moment

53:14

that's very important to these characters

53:16

specifically, but not really anyone else.

53:20

And you know, the secretary of

53:22

education applauds and then like we

53:24

see her space jumbo jet leaving

53:26

the hangar in the next moment.

53:28

Like it's over and she's heading

53:31

back to Caprica in this ship that

53:33

has like there's a deck that

53:35

is very much designed like a commercial

53:38

airliner, but it also has

53:40

like a big cargo capacity underneath

53:42

and they're getting escorted by Apollo

53:44

in his vintage airplane. They're

53:47

all going back to the same place. Yeah.

53:51

And meanwhile Boomer, the Grace Park character

53:53

and all of the rest of the

53:56

Vipers are in space, you

53:58

know, post the airship. as

54:00

part of the decommissioning ceremony, and

54:02

they bid them farewell also. And

54:05

we cut back to Caprica, where Dr.

54:08

Gaius Baltar is really feeling bad for

54:10

himself while he watches the end of

54:12

society on TV. Amazing

54:15

how long cable news hangs in

54:18

there before finally blurping out, right?

54:21

Like the bombs are dropping all around

54:23

his location on the planet, and

54:25

he's still getting channels on the TV. That's

54:28

amazing. Yeah. Our

54:31

internet goes out for no reason at all. Our

54:34

power has been going out for no reason

54:36

at all lately. Like just like over, like

54:38

we get up in the morning and like

54:40

the clock on the stove is flashing. I

54:42

don't like that. Yeah, it's happened

54:45

like three times in the last few weeks. Huh.

54:48

So once Gaius

54:51

loses the feed on the cable news,

54:54

his silent lady friend makes it clear that

54:56

like she's not in any danger. She's

54:59

very Borg's queeny in this way. She's like,

55:01

look, I can't die. This

55:03

body, this hot body, like

55:06

it's not over for me. I

55:08

mean, it is in this body, this body that's

55:10

here with you, like that's gonna go away obviously,

55:12

but I'm gonna wake up somewhere else. You know,

55:15

body just like it? Because there

55:17

are 12 of me and I'm the sixth one.

55:20

Which I'm not sure if what she's saying

55:22

is they've already blown up five of

55:25

them before her, but I kind of

55:27

feel like that's what she's saying because

55:29

we saw one explode with that old

55:31

crusty-mouthed guy in the cold open.

55:34

Was that number five, presumably? Yeah, and then we're

55:36

about to lose this one. So the next time

55:38

we see her is gonna be seven whenever that

55:40

is. It's a beautiful name for a boy or

55:43

a girl, especially girl, or a boy. The Cylons

55:45

have been spending these bodies like

55:47

it's going out of style though. Like if there's only 12

55:49

of them, she's not

55:51

totally unkillable. But if

55:53

her mission is just to do the

55:55

pre-war, pre-attack stuff, they don't need many

55:57

more than what they've got it seems.

56:00

Like, they're doing just fine with

56:02

this plan. Yeah. But it is

56:04

weird that they did not overbuild this particular

56:07

model. Like, their manufacturing

56:09

abilities seem pretty impressive,

56:11

you know? So does the next one

56:14

go around introducing herself as seven of

56:16

twelve? Potentially, yeah.

56:18

Wow. Weird. How would you

56:20

feel about seven? Imprecise,

56:23

but acceptable. He's

56:25

got nowhere to go, basically. But

56:28

the bombs keep falling, and we cut

56:31

back to Battlestar, where the news has

56:33

not really reached him yet. That

56:35

really bad shit is going down. And

56:38

finally, a call comes in

56:40

to Adama in his office that

56:43

Fleet Headquarters is broadcasting

56:45

a message in the

56:47

clear about this

56:49

Cylon attack on the twelve

56:51

colonies. So he

56:54

orders everyone to, you know, go

56:56

to battle stations, and I mean,

56:59

the ship is like half demilitarized at

57:01

this point. Like, one of their hangar

57:03

bays is occupied by

57:06

museum crap and a gift

57:10

shop, and they don't

57:12

have any ammunition aboard. The

57:14

alarm goes off, and everybody is taken

57:16

totally by surprise, including the XO, who's

57:19

just like trying to chill out and

57:21

burn holes in photographs of his wife's

57:23

face with a cigar. I

57:25

mean, what else is he going to do? He's probably

57:27

not invited to that card game anymore. Yeah.

57:33

He will not believe this until

57:36

Commander Adama just goes on the one

57:38

MC and tells everyone that they're

57:40

at war. That's what it takes to sort of like

57:43

grab him by the lapels and shake him into

57:46

understanding how severe this moment

57:48

is. Also, it's time to get

57:50

Starback out of the brig, right? Yeah,

57:52

I loved that he thought it was like

57:54

a retirement prank. How

57:56

fucking humiliating. That's

58:00

what it actually was. All of that

58:02

affection that the crew showed him earlier

58:04

just is quickly betrayed

58:06

by like their interest in doing bits on

58:08

him. Really? I

58:11

fucking, I mean a life of military

58:13

service is not known for enriching

58:16

one. I did this out of love and

58:18

respect for you guys and this is your

58:20

fucking tally-o to me? This

58:22

is how you send me off? Do you

58:24

think it's fun and funny for me to

58:26

think at any point that my one remaining

58:28

son might be in danger of going

58:32

to war right now? Who thought

58:34

of this? There's

58:43

also an attack squadron from Galactica

58:46

that's two hours away from Caprica.

58:48

Like they're en route. Yeah,

58:50

these are the people that Boomer

58:53

and Hilo were with. Boomer and Hilo

58:55

are in a bigger ship that is

58:58

like a similar design to the Vipers

59:00

but has maybe some troop

59:02

carrying capacity and some extra cargo capacity.

59:05

They call this a raptor. Oh,

59:08

okay. They start picking up

59:10

bogeys on their radar. They're

59:13

starting to think that maybe there's some

59:15

silons that may be nearby. I

59:18

love how much of the battle you

59:20

don't see. Like what have

59:22

we seen up until now? We've seen

59:25

one nuclear explosion. We've seen some grainy

59:27

television news footage. But

59:29

it's this moment on Galactica where we

59:31

get like the war update and

59:34

we get to learn of the

59:37

losses. Like a quarter of the fleet's

59:39

been destroyed. Thirty battle

59:41

stars of the kind that

59:43

Galactica is have been destroyed.

59:46

But presumably like newer than the

59:48

kind that Galactica is because Galactica

59:50

is from the era of the

59:52

war. So this

59:54

is having really devastating

59:57

effects and Starbuck kind

59:59

of swags on. out of the bridge

1:00:01

and gets this terrible news and wants

1:00:03

to get one of those Mark II

1:00:05

vipers out of mothballs and get into

1:00:07

the fight. I think that

1:00:10

thing you said about how the

1:00:12

advancement in technology has actually been

1:00:15

what is their Achilles heel is

1:00:18

like not directly described here,

1:00:20

but like the reading incident reports about

1:00:22

Battlestars losing power before they're even able

1:00:24

to attack, right, or repel

1:00:27

the Cylons like that's a

1:00:29

big part of the subtext of like

1:00:31

the mystery of how

1:00:33

their losses have been so great. And it

1:00:35

seems like robot babe number

1:00:38

six may be behind that and guys

1:00:41

belt are through idiocy also sort of

1:00:43

at fault for that kind of stuff.

1:00:46

And we see this vividly described

1:00:48

in the fight that these vipers

1:00:50

have with it's just two Cylon

1:00:52

planes that they go up against

1:00:54

and they all get taken

1:00:56

out kind of all at once because their

1:00:59

computers bonk out and

1:01:01

their chips are, you know,

1:01:04

not steerable and boomer

1:01:06

and Hilo like just watch this from

1:01:08

a distance helpless to do anything and

1:01:10

it's a really scary moment. I

1:01:13

gotta say that the first time I saw

1:01:15

this, it really, really bumped me because

1:01:18

these Cylon fighters look

1:01:20

like Cylon heads

1:01:22

put on the front of the ships

1:01:25

in a very maximum overdrive kind of way.

1:01:30

I thought it was cheesy, but like

1:01:32

the more you live in this series

1:01:34

and consume its episodes, I think the

1:01:37

more terrifying it becomes like it

1:01:39

makes a kind of cold

1:01:41

logic kind of sense that like,

1:01:43

yeah, that's what they look like. And

1:01:46

the like Knight Rider red sweeping

1:01:48

light across the front, like it's,

1:01:50

it's a total throwback. Yeah, but

1:01:52

it really works. It is very

1:01:54

Knight Rider like, yeah, you do

1:01:57

it so well. Thank you.

1:01:59

It's kind of nauseating to see

1:02:02

like when the squadron loses power and

1:02:05

see them kind of float yeah lifelessly

1:02:07

and like bonk into each other and stuff

1:02:09

like we talk all the time

1:02:11

about how scary it is

1:02:13

to encounter a starship in Star Trek

1:02:15

that is just kind of tumbling in

1:02:18

space or listing or whatever and how

1:02:20

gross that looks yeah this is that

1:02:22

it's totally that and we don't know

1:02:24

these ships that well yeah but

1:02:26

they totally get the same effect so

1:02:28

we cut over to the

1:02:30

civilian transport that's taking Mary

1:02:32

McDonald at all back to

1:02:35

Caprica and she's like in

1:02:37

the bathroom like she's having

1:02:39

a terrible day she's had to kind of like

1:02:41

put on a brave public face while knowing

1:02:44

that she has been diagnosed with some

1:02:46

terrible sickness and it seems like no

1:02:48

one around her knows of this diagnosis

1:02:50

either this is private at this point

1:02:52

right yeah and she like walks

1:02:54

out into the ship and the

1:02:58

the captain of the ship is like giving everyone an

1:03:00

update like she is not keeping up with current events

1:03:02

like this is the first she's hearing about any of

1:03:04

this stuff yeah this is like if

1:03:07

you were somehow able to

1:03:09

miss the scene in the newsroom where the

1:03:11

pilot comes and tells the people in first

1:03:13

class that they got Osama bin Laden and

1:03:15

everyone everyone starts cheering like if you're a

1:03:18

character on that show that happened to miss

1:03:20

that moment yeah this is that

1:03:22

it's Rosalind miss that moment I'm sorry

1:03:24

well what did he say what was

1:03:26

that about meanwhile

1:03:32

boomer and Hilo are getting shot

1:03:35

at by the silons and they

1:03:37

manage to use countermeasures

1:03:40

on the missiles but they

1:03:42

get grazed a little bit and it fucks

1:03:44

their ship up and they're like losing

1:03:47

fuel and Hilo takes some shrapnel through

1:03:49

his leg looks very

1:03:52

painful yeah boomer

1:03:54

comes up with the idea that they're basically

1:03:56

just gonna have to coast back to Caprica

1:03:58

and put the ship down on the planet's

1:04:00

surface and they have no idea like how

1:04:02

fucked up the situation is gonna be when

1:04:04

they get there. Yeah it makes

1:04:06

some sense that that's where they

1:04:08

would ditch but yikes. Yeah.

1:04:11

The debris field is maybe the

1:04:13

first time you start to see

1:04:15

the scale of the attack because

1:04:17

we've not seen city skyline. We

1:04:20

haven't seen much but like there

1:04:23

are tumbling carcasses of ships up

1:04:25

there that they're flying

1:04:27

unpowered through on

1:04:29

their way toward the surface. Very

1:04:32

wolf 359. Back

1:04:34

on Galactica, Adama gives another

1:04:36

update to the crew. Caprica

1:04:38

City no longer going to

1:04:41

be hosting the Super Bowl and

1:04:43

they're not going to be able to

1:04:45

move that to a lot of other

1:04:48

colonies either. Nukes have been

1:04:50

detonated in a number of cities on a

1:04:52

number of planets and

1:04:54

aboard Roslyn's transport she

1:04:57

tells the flight crew that someone

1:05:00

on board with the radio has heard this

1:05:03

and the pilot is forced to

1:05:05

admit that it's true and when

1:05:08

your pilot is scared that's scary

1:05:11

and it's noticeable how cool

1:05:13

Roslyn is in this moment. She wants

1:05:15

to be the one to address the

1:05:17

passengers and she goes and she does that.

1:05:20

This is a very interesting

1:05:22

thing about this episode because I think

1:05:24

that the kind of terminology of government

1:05:26

that they use in it like the

1:05:28

fact that she's the Secretary of Education

1:05:30

which is a job that we roughly

1:05:32

understand what it means and you

1:05:35

know when they talk about there's like a line of succession.

1:05:37

Your ideas were

1:05:39

familiar from seeing political

1:05:41

thrillers but also the captain

1:05:44

giving the vibe of an airline

1:05:46

captain. This

1:05:49

is a sci-fi scenario that is very easy

1:05:51

for us to get our hands around emotionally

1:05:54

like what these characters are going through

1:05:56

because they've mapped really easily

1:05:58

onto things from real life. without

1:06:00

many hurdles you have to go

1:06:02

through. And also, you know, I

1:06:05

mean, Mary McDonald's just

1:06:07

like an incredible actor, so she

1:06:09

just brings so much life

1:06:11

to these moments. And she's

1:06:14

got to call in because as a

1:06:17

member of the cabinet, like there are

1:06:19

procedures when something like the Capitol City

1:06:21

has been nuked happens. I

1:06:25

like how quickly things pivot to a

1:06:27

very realistic feeling triage, like, all

1:06:30

right, well, our destination is kind

1:06:32

of no longer there. So

1:06:34

we're going to have to hunker down on

1:06:36

this transport ship for a while. Let's prep

1:06:38

it for a longer term voyage than we

1:06:40

were expecting. Like she starts delegating tasks immediately

1:06:43

here. I love this.

1:06:45

Like she just is taking the leadership

1:06:47

bull by the horns. Like Dorrel speaks

1:06:49

up for a second and she nuts

1:06:52

stomps him and gives him a job.

1:06:54

Like immediately, she's like, who the fuck

1:06:56

are you? I'm the fucking secretary of

1:06:58

education. Name somebody with

1:07:00

a higher rank on this ship. I think

1:07:02

one of the best ways to diffuse this

1:07:04

type of person or this type of angle

1:07:06

is like, do

1:07:08

you want to help? Here's how you do that.

1:07:11

Like shut the fuck up and help, like grab

1:07:14

a shovel. Tear up some water,

1:07:16

boil some rags. I'm sure the child will arrive

1:07:18

soon. Yeah, on

1:07:20

the flight deck, there is a, I

1:07:24

think you were talking about this before, like

1:07:26

the process of government in

1:07:28

this form and the

1:07:30

check that must be done for

1:07:32

the succession plan that needs

1:07:34

to take place in a time of war

1:07:37

like this. Yeah, she learns

1:07:39

that an unconditional surrender

1:07:41

was offered to the Cylons and

1:07:43

ignored. This is like playing Civ

1:07:47

and you're Gandhi and you're really going

1:07:49

at the other countries with the nukes

1:07:52

and so forth. And

1:07:54

they will give you anything for peace.

1:07:57

And you're like, nope, I'm going.

1:08:01

I'm going for war victory. I'm

1:08:03

playing this the way Computer Gandhi

1:08:05

used to play this. Yep. So

1:08:10

one of these missiles is coming for their

1:08:12

ship and Apollo bravely convinces

1:08:16

the nuke to lock onto him instead

1:08:18

of lock on to the big transport

1:08:22

and succeeds in shooting

1:08:24

it down. We cut over

1:08:26

to the surface of Capricub where

1:08:28

Boomer and Hilo have set down.

1:08:30

Hilo is just working

1:08:33

on getting his tourniquet working while

1:08:35

Boomer like wrenches under the ship.

1:08:38

I think they said something about like a fuel

1:08:40

line getting clipped so... There's

1:08:42

kind of a suction cup device that he uses

1:08:44

to seal a hull breach and I was like,

1:08:47

oh, why couldn't you just blurb

1:08:49

that onto your gushing wound? Seal

1:08:52

that up. Do

1:08:54

you think some fuel got into the wound?

1:08:57

Like did the shrapnel carry fuel into his

1:08:59

birdie? I don't know. It's ugly.

1:09:01

They did a great job with this wound. Yeah, because

1:09:04

if it did, like just light the fuel

1:09:06

on fire, cauterize everything. Their problem

1:09:08

isn't just fixing the ship to

1:09:10

take off. Their problem also becomes

1:09:13

what to do with the mob of refugees

1:09:17

that are running down the Michael

1:09:19

Bay-esque field of wheat just

1:09:23

outside of the city center. They're carrying their

1:09:25

bags and their books and their children and

1:09:27

all that. Yeah. It's going

1:09:29

to be a problem. And there's like, you

1:09:32

know, mushroom clouds all around them

1:09:34

in every direction. And

1:09:36

there's a Gaius Beltar in there. Yeah.

1:09:38

I guess he survived by holding close

1:09:40

to his Cylon girlfriend's legs like a

1:09:43

nanny. I

1:09:45

like the one guy who didn't,

1:09:48

you know, put anything in suitcases but did grab

1:09:50

a stack of books. Like we got to preserve

1:09:52

the knowledge of Caprica. We

1:09:55

got to talk about stack of books, Guy.

1:09:58

How far are you running with the Cylon?

1:10:00

a stack of books that tall before you're

1:10:02

just losing books. Cause it's not like stack

1:10:04

of books that you can hold with two

1:10:07

hands. It's stack of books that he is

1:10:09

managing partly using his chin and he is

1:10:11

running full speed through a field. It's

1:10:14

an insane choice for an insane time. I

1:10:16

can't judge it. Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:18

That's true. And like,

1:10:20

maybe those are really important books in

1:10:23

their culture. You know, who knows? Behind

1:10:25

him is his wife. Like

1:10:27

Mitch, would you mind like carrying

1:10:29

one of our children? That

1:10:33

would be great. How much do those books weigh? Like

1:10:35

30 pounds total. I got

1:10:37

two toddlers here. Yeah. Each one of

1:10:39

which is 30 pounds. Apollo

1:10:48

has put in to the cargo

1:10:51

bay on the civilian

1:10:53

ship, which I was

1:10:55

shocked at how big this cargo bay was.

1:10:57

I was thinking that this was like commercial

1:10:59

airliner size of vessel and it is way,

1:11:02

way bigger than that. Because the main cabin

1:11:04

part feels like that. It feels small. And

1:11:07

that sort of made me realize

1:11:09

how big the battle star is. Cause this

1:11:11

ship was a little thing that could

1:11:13

go into the hangar bay of the battle

1:11:16

star and set down. No

1:11:18

problem. So the battle star

1:11:21

is fucking a North. Yeah.

1:11:23

It's really Russian nesting

1:11:25

dolls up in here. Yeah.

1:11:28

So, uh, Apollo's ship, I guess got

1:11:30

a little bit damaged by his encounter

1:11:32

with the missiles and Dorrels down here.

1:11:34

And he's like, Oh, like this, uh,

1:11:37

horrible lady that's the secretary of education

1:11:39

has been calling the shots. So really

1:11:41

glad you're here because you've actually got

1:11:43

a rank in the military and you

1:11:45

can overrule her and, uh, we can

1:11:47

actually be led by somebody that

1:11:50

I believe to be competent. What a little

1:11:52

ratty fuck. Yeah. And

1:11:54

I love how quickly

1:11:56

he regrets doing this. Like when Apollo goes

1:11:59

up and sees. that Mary McDonald is

1:12:01

just fucking running shit and like doing a

1:12:03

super good job at it. If

1:12:05

I was like, that lady is in charge.

1:12:09

I think lesser writing would have

1:12:11

turned this into a confrontation instead

1:12:14

of the example that this is.

1:12:16

Like, yeah, like they just witness

1:12:18

Rosalind's greatness and that's sufficient to

1:12:20

make the point. Yeah. There

1:12:23

isn't anything where she says something about how

1:12:25

her genitals are on the inside of her

1:12:27

body or anything like that. Yeah.

1:12:30

Yeah. The meme of

1:12:32

this is like the car sliding into

1:12:35

the off ramp and

1:12:37

those two script choices being the exit

1:12:39

sign. To

1:12:42

be honest, Darwin wishes she would have

1:12:44

brought up the situation with her genitals.

1:12:49

Back on the surface of Caprica, these

1:12:51

refugees seem to think that

1:12:54

their money will do anything to

1:12:57

get them a ticket on this ship that

1:12:59

they've encountered and it won't.

1:13:01

This ship has a capacity,

1:13:03

a weight capacity. That means

1:13:05

that they've got room for the kids and

1:13:08

three more non-kids. I

1:13:11

thought this is a terrible choice. If

1:13:13

you've got fall of humanity

1:13:16

happening, what good is

1:13:18

a kid going to do you? You

1:13:20

need knowledge. You need people who

1:13:22

can do shit and a kid's not going to

1:13:24

do anything. Okay, we're going to take

1:13:27

the kids but not that one with the

1:13:29

really tragic haircut and we're going

1:13:31

to take three adults and all the books that

1:13:33

that guy is carrying. Yeah. Yeah.

1:13:36

I think taking the kids is a bad choice. They

1:13:40

do take the time to run this lottery.

1:13:44

As nukes are falling all around them.

1:13:46

What? I was shocked by this. Finally,

1:13:50

over on the Battlestar, they

1:13:52

launch a bunch of these

1:13:54

Mark II Vipers, the old

1:13:56

ones. But Starbuck doesn't

1:13:58

get to go. her ship is

1:14:01

not firing yet and

1:14:04

she is very very eager to get into the

1:14:06

fight. I love the

1:14:08

catapult system on Galactica.

1:14:11

It's so recognizable as a form of

1:14:13

technology. Yeah. And it's great when they

1:14:15

do the the cut from the tube

1:14:18

that serves as the launch system to the

1:14:20

exterior to show you the

1:14:23

scale when these ships are launched. I

1:14:25

think it's great. It really looks awesome. They're

1:14:27

fighting another couple of these Cylon

1:14:30

ships and finally, Starbuck gets

1:14:33

in the fight and starts

1:14:35

bullseyne targets. Very exciting,

1:14:38

like great dogfight sequence. I love

1:14:40

the cockpit stuff, the control center

1:14:42

stuff, the the siege of

1:14:45

the actual fight. All of it is done at a

1:14:47

super high level. I think that one thing

1:14:49

that I kind of

1:14:51

feel like this pilot may

1:14:53

have innovated is all

1:14:56

the exterior stuff of spaceships, sort

1:14:58

of is shot on like on like

1:15:01

kind of a handheld, the camera's like pop

1:15:03

zooming in and out basis.

1:15:05

Yes. Like yeah, yeah, yeah. This

1:15:07

is a look that they definitely borrowed

1:15:09

in the expanse and a few other

1:15:12

sci-fi shows that I've watched. Great problem.

1:15:14

And I kind of think it must start

1:15:16

here. Like maybe there

1:15:18

are earlier examples of it, but this feels to

1:15:20

me like the earliest example of it. And

1:15:22

you know, like there's not obviously not a camera

1:15:25

guy with a camera on his shoulder, zooming

1:15:27

in and out and like floating around in space.

1:15:30

But something about like adding a little bit

1:15:32

of float to the camera

1:15:34

and making those shots a

1:15:36

little bit more chaotic and handheld feeling

1:15:39

makes space feel bigger and scarier,

1:15:42

you know. Did you

1:15:44

also detect as a way

1:15:46

to kind of finish this effect something that they

1:15:49

were doing with the audio too? The

1:15:51

only way I can come up to describe it is

1:15:54

like when you jump into a pool,

1:15:56

what being in water sounds like or

1:15:58

like whether a frequency to the sound of

1:16:01

being in space that sounded like white

1:16:03

noise adjacent? Like there's something acoustically happening

1:16:05

when you're out there combined with these

1:16:07

camera angles and movements that really make

1:16:09

it feel interesting. And it

1:16:11

feels like you're in space in the way that they

1:16:14

want you to feel. Yeah, like

1:16:17

obviously in space no one can hear you

1:16:19

scream, but you do want to have sound

1:16:21

just for like the excitement of the viewing

1:16:23

experience. And they made

1:16:25

interesting and new

1:16:27

choices I feel like in both the visuals

1:16:29

and the audio. Just the

1:16:31

like distortion on the radios sounds really cool

1:16:34

in this. Yeah.

1:16:36

So they're taking out these Cylon ships, but

1:16:38

one of them gets off a shot. I

1:16:40

think it's three nukes and Starbuck is able

1:16:42

to take out a couple of them, but

1:16:44

one of them is

1:16:47

able to detonate near

1:16:49

the Galactica. And

1:16:52

this sets off a whole like

1:16:54

submarine film sequence where

1:16:57

there's a big section of the ship and

1:16:59

an argument about shutting the bulkheads to isolate

1:17:01

it from the rest of

1:17:04

the ship. Whether or not Steve Zahn is

1:17:07

inside or outside that area.

1:17:09

Yeah. Like Chief Tyrell is

1:17:11

like, I got a hundred Zans

1:17:13

down there. And

1:17:17

Colonel Peague is like, make their lives

1:17:19

count for something. You have your

1:17:21

orders. Now seal a goddamn bay before we

1:17:24

all go down. Initially

1:17:26

I thought this was happening in a

1:17:28

different part of the ship from the

1:17:30

bridge, like far away from it, but

1:17:32

it is revealed during this interaction and

1:17:35

afterward that like this is just off

1:17:37

to the side. This is as if

1:17:39

this conversation was happening at, at warps

1:17:41

tactical station. Like this is

1:17:43

an ear shot of everyone. Yeah. It's

1:17:46

a big confrontation and it's like, I think

1:17:48

it's an interesting moment for the Colonel Peague

1:17:50

character because it's like not

1:17:53

felt like he is trustworthy or

1:17:55

competent at all up until this

1:17:57

point. And he

1:17:59

just. seems like a cruel and shitty

1:18:01

boss that is like stuck in middle

1:18:04

management under the actual boss that everybody

1:18:06

likes. And you

1:18:08

sort of realize in this moment, like this is why

1:18:10

he has the job he has because he is capable

1:18:14

of making a

1:18:16

really shitty decision, you

1:18:18

know, at the drop of a hat and

1:18:20

ordering the bad thing. Sabinson publicly

1:18:23

traded companies all the time before

1:18:26

the venture capital vultures take them down

1:18:28

piece by piece. Like they install a

1:18:31

managerial figure to like

1:18:33

give the bad news and destroy from the inside

1:18:35

so that they can be the face of the

1:18:37

thing. And that's kind of

1:18:39

like what's happening here. Yeah, he's that

1:18:41

guy. Last three slots on

1:18:43

the viper ship, Ben. I

1:18:47

think this is so well written because like

1:18:49

they they start calling the numbers and the

1:18:52

lady that's got the last ticket is

1:18:54

like, I can see I don't have

1:18:56

my glasses. Her glasses are on her

1:18:58

head, first of all. To

1:19:01

snatch seriousness from the jaws of humor

1:19:03

the way that they do here, I

1:19:06

think is really great because this shouldn't have

1:19:08

worked. This is this is fun

1:19:10

and funny, but it was not. There's

1:19:13

so many dimensions to this because you're like, oh, man,

1:19:15

like this guy is belt are such an asshole that

1:19:17

he's going to like claim that this was his ticket

1:19:19

and be like, oh, man, like you had 46, but

1:19:23

I happen to have 47 and he doesn't

1:19:25

do that. Instead, he

1:19:27

gets recognized by Hilo, who

1:19:30

is like, okay, like old lady who

1:19:32

has the number and you can both

1:19:34

go because I'm going

1:19:36

to sacrifice myself to save

1:19:38

the great Dr. Gias Beltar

1:19:40

because I've seen you on

1:19:43

TV and I know you're important.

1:19:45

Well, doesn't it seem as though

1:19:47

Gias's character has changed because he

1:19:49

has that opportunity Not

1:19:51

only declines to take the opportunity, but

1:19:53

like foists her ahead of him. Like

1:19:56

You got to get on that transport

1:19:58

lady and also get the fun. in

1:20:00

glasses off your head, Assist assist suspend

1:20:02

actually use them. I mean, it's Lakes

1:20:04

the nightmare scenario that we talk about

1:20:06

all the time. You and your wife

1:20:08

were going on a flight somewhere and

1:20:11

one of you but not the other

1:20:13

gets bumped up the first class and.

1:20:15

It's like no, you should take it like

1:20:17

a really Why: he did enjoy. Of

1:20:20

it's like a like i'm not so sure

1:20:22

and like. All. Of that ten soon as

1:20:24

in the scene. There's. A little check

1:20:26

box, Or Delta words like yeah,

1:20:28

if you have an upgrade, I'll take

1:20:30

one of those. There should be another

1:20:32

checkbox that. Don't. Break Up

1:20:34

My marriage. Ssssss. That

1:20:40

be a button you hit that should be

1:20:42

a burden and look if your if your

1:20:44

marriage is on the rocks and maybe like

1:20:46

this would be the thing the tipping over

1:20:48

maybe don't click the button. Maybe

1:20:51

you'll let it happen. Maybe if you blame it

1:20:53

on delta. Some. Air travelers.

1:20:55

Just one wants the world burn s.

1:21:01

Si. Lo Cel sacrifices and also like

1:21:03

suits a guy in the back who's

1:21:06

trying to like. Last. Chapter

1:21:08

added Ma'am his way arts like you're

1:21:10

not, you're not gonna make it very

1:21:12

far. guy getting on the outside of

1:21:15

the space him so theories like ten

1:21:17

pounds of Boston but that fly off

1:21:19

of the sky sky body. I thought

1:21:21

like like he was not just shot

1:21:24

with a laser weapon it it like

1:21:26

really fucked him up. Yeah you're gonna

1:21:28

want to go slow and low on

1:21:30

the chunk of that guy that of

1:21:33

S. s. R A species Philo

1:21:35

and all other people that live on

1:21:37

Caprica with the with that books guy

1:21:39

Can we to say that it was?

1:21:41

There was a guy who did the

1:21:43

books and tried to get on. Let's.

1:21:46

Assume it was books guy here. He seems

1:21:48

to have made lot of bad decisions today

1:21:50

as many know guys bell tower in terms

1:21:52

of bad decision making. His. story

1:21:54

ended there is no

1:21:56

said starting to look

1:21:59

way Mary McDonald is

1:22:01

the designated survivor. They

1:22:03

get like an automated

1:22:05

message over on the spaceship and

1:22:08

she sends something back. She

1:22:10

has a little conversation with Apollo

1:22:12

about like what's going on here.

1:22:15

That's when she like gets the

1:22:17

little printout that reveals that in

1:22:19

fact the presidency has fallen to

1:22:21

her. The ceremony when she's

1:22:24

sworn in, I

1:22:26

think intentionally evokes Lyndon

1:22:29

Johnson swearing in on Air Force One. Like

1:22:31

it's happening on this transport trip. As

1:22:34

if Jackie Kennedy

1:22:36

was taking the oath of office instead. Like right

1:22:38

on down to the similarities

1:22:40

in dress, I thought

1:22:44

this scene was really well done for that

1:22:46

reason. I thought it was weird that the

1:22:48

scroll that the priest lady was reading off

1:22:51

was like very vascular. Seemed

1:22:55

like a very horny scroll, didn't it? I

1:23:03

mean some priests prefer the meat

1:23:05

scroll like for the big events.

1:23:08

But why was this priest traveling with the

1:23:10

meat scroll? It would seem as though this

1:23:12

is just like a normal, like you bust

1:23:14

out the meat scroll for the big ones, not

1:23:17

whatever this was going to be. How did she

1:23:19

get past TSA with the meat scroll? That's what

1:23:21

I want to know. I don't know. Pretty

1:23:24

gross. Yeah. Looking

1:23:26

nasty. On

1:23:28

Galactica, Adama is told of

1:23:30

the very high death count

1:23:32

that came as a result

1:23:34

of Teague's command

1:23:36

and also

1:23:39

like in the very same conversation, the munitions

1:23:41

depot has a ton of the stuff they

1:23:43

need. Shovel is, between them and

1:23:45

that depot, the silo and fleet. And

1:23:48

that's like three days away. How are they going to get there?

1:23:51

We learned that they do

1:23:53

have faster than light travel

1:23:55

in this sci-fi universe,

1:23:57

but it is super fucking scary.

1:24:00

and everybody does not like doing it. Yeah,

1:24:03

yeah. Fascinating, I love this.

1:24:05

Like, I love the

1:24:07

idea, it's like, yeah, it's built into a lot

1:24:10

of these ships, but we'd really rather

1:24:12

not. I mean, due to its age

1:24:14

and that it hasn't been activated in

1:24:16

decades, right? Like, that's the thing that

1:24:18

really gives people pause. Yeah. When

1:24:21

you get a barn find, like

1:24:23

the problem with these things are all

1:24:25

the plastic and rubber parts that disintegrate

1:24:27

from sitting there, and that's the

1:24:30

problem with this drive system. Yeah,

1:24:32

I mean, the paint job is in immaculate

1:24:34

shape. Like, you can't believe it, but there's

1:24:36

no way it's drivable without a lot of

1:24:38

work. Yeah. So,

1:24:41

they're getting ready to do this. Chief

1:24:43

Tyrol comes up to Adamba and is like,

1:24:45

man, did you see what Colonel Teague made

1:24:47

me do? Like, what the fuck, man? Like,

1:24:49

that guy sucks, and Adamba

1:24:51

stands by his lieutenant. He's like, that

1:24:53

guy made a really hard decision. If

1:24:56

I had been in his position, I probably would have made

1:24:58

the same one, and it sucks, but

1:25:00

we're in a war, man. Like,

1:25:03

this does not make warm and fuzzy decisions

1:25:05

that we're super psyched about in

1:25:07

time. That's like just

1:25:09

the perfect kind of leadership for

1:25:11

that moment. Adamba's like, I

1:25:13

know you hate him, but you like me, right? Well,

1:25:15

I would have done the same thing. So,

1:25:17

there it is. You think we lost

1:25:20

some folks to those fires and the decompression.

1:25:22

Just imagine what's gonna happen when

1:25:24

we go to hyperlight jump. Yeah, like,

1:25:26

I kept wanting somebody

1:25:28

to raise that, like, sir, the

1:25:31

ship is pretty shredded. We just

1:25:33

took a broadside from a nuclear

1:25:35

weapon. You sure wanna

1:25:38

go that fast right now? Wasn't

1:25:40

that another thing that illustrated its

1:25:42

size? That was a high-yield nuclear

1:25:45

weapon that from the exterior just

1:25:47

scarred a small part

1:25:50

of the greater vehicle. Yeah,

1:25:52

this thing is buff. It's like a rock chip to

1:25:54

this thing. We get a

1:25:56

big speech from the

1:25:59

captain here. as they get

1:26:01

ready to do this warp jump. And

1:26:03

he gets on the one MC and

1:26:06

explains to everybody the big heap of shit

1:26:08

that they are in and that

1:26:10

he is like taking over the fleet. He's

1:26:13

seizing command of the military. And,

1:26:16

uh, it doesn't seem like

1:26:18

anybody is even alive to take exception

1:26:20

to that. I was thinking a

1:26:22

lot about Star Trek First Contact when I

1:26:26

was watching this pilot, because there

1:26:28

are many scenes in this episode

1:26:31

that I think

1:26:33

are similar. But like, for

1:26:35

instance, when Picard takes command of

1:26:37

the fleet during that movie's

1:26:40

Borg attack, like he's flying his ship

1:26:42

through the parts of those destroyed ships

1:26:44

and taking command in that moment, like

1:26:46

on the battlefield. And so much of

1:26:49

what happens in this episode is done

1:26:51

over radio, done very far

1:26:53

away from where the action is and

1:26:55

very far away from like your

1:26:58

sense of the destruction scale.

1:27:00

Here's just a guy reading

1:27:02

a report on a, on a piece of paper going,

1:27:04

well, I guess it's me and I

1:27:07

guess I better tell him, like it's

1:27:09

a massive choice that he's making, but

1:27:11

like the actual act of

1:27:13

it is so minor. It's

1:27:16

so nothing. It's so understated.

1:27:18

And I think it's understated because he is,

1:27:21

he is

1:27:23

not playing it for gravitas or

1:27:25

import. He is playing it for like, I

1:27:28

got, fuck, I guess this is what I

1:27:30

got to do now. There's never a moment

1:27:32

in this show where he like stands up

1:27:34

out of his chair, straightens his uniform, like

1:27:36

takes that one Starfleet step to camera and

1:27:39

like delivers the line in

1:27:41

that moment. This isn't like that. This

1:27:43

isn't that kind of show. No. So

1:27:45

we get a little, a little argument

1:27:47

between him and the new president, Laura

1:27:49

Roslyn, because, uh,

1:27:51

commander Dama is advocating that everybody

1:27:54

that still has FTL meet at

1:27:56

this place where there's a munitions

1:27:58

depot where they can. arm up

1:28:00

the fleet and she's like, no, we're like, we're

1:28:02

still saving stragglers. Like there's survivors out here

1:28:05

in space and we're trying to grab them.

1:28:07

And you're focused on like getting stuff to shoot.

1:28:10

Like that's, that's kind of like not the point

1:28:12

at this point. We're, we

1:28:14

are lifeboats now, man. Yeah. This

1:28:17

is a real go around

1:28:19

that Adama wants to do.

1:28:21

Like he knows Roslyn is

1:28:24

on the rechristened colonial

1:28:26

one presidential ship. But

1:28:29

he also knows his son is over there too.

1:28:31

And when he radios that ship, he does not

1:28:33

radio her. He radios him. Yeah.

1:28:37

And he repeats the order and Lee Adama is

1:28:39

like, yeah, we heard you. And

1:28:44

the newly christened fleet commander takes

1:28:46

great umbrage with this. Yeah. We're

1:28:48

in the middle of a war

1:28:50

and you're taking orders from a

1:28:52

school teacher. And they start to

1:28:54

interrupt. This happens a couple of

1:28:56

times this episode. They're interrupted by

1:28:58

Cylon fighters inbound and the president

1:29:00

doesn't want to leave these damaged

1:29:02

ships behind while there's people

1:29:05

that can still be rescued. And so Lee goes

1:29:07

down to where his fighter

1:29:09

is and gets on board and

1:29:12

the sequence of cutting back and forth

1:29:14

between the elder Adama and

1:29:16

his son, both prepping and getting

1:29:18

on his jet and flying out

1:29:20

and engaging the Cylons is

1:29:23

maybe the most dynamic sequence

1:29:26

of the episode. Like all

1:29:28

of the violence of what happens in

1:29:31

this episode is so understated and

1:29:33

so distant. This is the

1:29:35

moment where like the pattern of that really goes

1:29:37

back and forth right up

1:29:39

to the point where Adama assumes

1:29:42

that his son is dead. You

1:29:44

see a big explosion on the

1:29:46

radar screen that they're all looking

1:29:48

at and the radar screen goes

1:29:51

blank. Hey, random crew

1:29:53

person on the bridge. Do

1:29:55

we need to know the amount of

1:29:57

kilotons in the bomb that took out?

1:30:00

The president and the captain's

1:30:02

son, like, is that really

1:30:05

necessary right now? Like right

1:30:07

now? Yeah,

1:30:10

I mean, you get the sense that

1:30:12

Colonel Teague might have his job because

1:30:14

he does a real mean shoulder massage

1:30:17

in time of crisis. But

1:30:19

yeah, that kiloton reporter guy, definitely

1:30:22

not going to be rising through

1:30:24

the ranks anytime soon. Maybe

1:30:27

put it in the printout. Would

1:30:29

you like the first half of

1:30:31

the pilot of Battlestar Galactica, Adam?

1:30:34

She always reads me.

1:30:40

I had forgotten how good this show is. I

1:30:43

really, really loved it. And I think the

1:30:46

best decision this show ever made

1:30:49

was casting Olmos

1:30:51

and McDonnell because when

1:30:55

you combine actors like them with

1:30:58

a script that allows them the space

1:31:02

and the silence to emote the way they

1:31:04

do, the way they're capable

1:31:06

of, you

1:31:08

don't just have a great science fiction show, you have a

1:31:10

great show. And that kind of

1:31:12

seems like the premise they were going off

1:31:14

of, like, let's make a great show that

1:31:17

is also science fiction. And

1:31:19

everyone's performance in this show is

1:31:21

evidence of that to me. I

1:31:23

think it just really feels like

1:31:27

these are human beings living in this

1:31:29

moment with all of their imperfect

1:31:32

decisions and imperfect dialogue

1:31:35

and real emotion here.

1:31:38

It felt very real to me in a

1:31:40

way that makes the show

1:31:42

really one of my favorite shows. And

1:31:46

really spectacular. We're not

1:31:48

even talking about the whole pilot. We're just talking about the first

1:31:50

half of it. The

1:31:53

first half of this show's

1:31:55

pilot is one of the best science fiction shows.

1:31:58

What about you? I Agree. Great. I

1:32:00

mean like they. Plowed, A ton

1:32:02

of money into this shows the. Fit.

1:32:05

And finish on the sets and.

1:32:08

The. Amount of care

1:32:10

that as take him with the

1:32:12

music and that sound design and

1:32:14

said special effects and death all

1:32:17

that stuff is like super impressive

1:32:19

and that's. All. In

1:32:21

support of like really terrific

1:32:23

performances by really compelling actors

1:32:25

and in scenes that are

1:32:27

like so interesting and multi

1:32:29

dimensional. And.

1:32:31

The fact that this is. Just.

1:32:34

The first half of this is like. Really?

1:32:37

Mind blowing is it really feels like. Man.

1:32:40

Like you tune in night when for for

1:32:42

this like this was. You. Know shown

1:32:44

over two nights on this I

1:32:46

Fi channel or whatever. Like you

1:32:48

are coming back for night to

1:32:50

after this first ninety minutes. Yeah.

1:32:53

Yeah, I really think I think

1:32:55

the Marvel Cinematic Universe did that

1:32:57

thing with the scale of horror

1:32:59

that heads as just made it

1:33:01

so enormous. And puts you in

1:33:03

such close proximity to it said it's

1:33:06

sort of doesn't read. Have.

1:33:08

Horrible. and the way that it

1:33:10

said yeah and this so seem

1:33:12

to understand that it's actually the

1:33:15

distance from that scale that's the

1:33:17

most effective. Like you see Caprica

1:33:19

from orbit and you see the

1:33:22

flashes and sit like yeah, I'm

1:33:24

so glad you're not in tapper

1:33:26

the city. Watching the building saw

1:33:28

it's just like. To be

1:33:31

there for that. His brain

1:33:33

scrambling. But when you're when you see it

1:33:35

and experience it from a distance like you're

1:33:37

actually able to seal what that might be

1:33:39

like in an effective way. And.

1:33:42

The chaotic it's feeling that so many

1:33:44

of the characters have. like not knowing

1:33:46

where their loved ones are or what's

1:33:48

going on there and the wave like

1:33:51

you. To continue. To

1:33:53

see characters receive the news of

1:33:55

what's going on. Like. It's

1:33:57

so much more effective to watch marry Mcdonalds.

1:34:00

Walk into a. Moment

1:34:02

where people are finding out about

1:34:05

Nine Eleven Style? You know? seen.

1:34:08

Than. It is to just

1:34:10

show. You. Know Cg

1:34:12

footage of buildings melting or whatever like

1:34:14

this when you are doing a like

1:34:16

a really big high budget. Signed

1:34:19

by event like this: you have

1:34:21

the budget to show the buildings

1:34:23

melting. It is due careful restraint

1:34:25

and good storytelling that they don't

1:34:27

It's about a person's definition of

1:34:29

ah. To a certain

1:34:31

type of person, seeing the buildings

1:34:33

fall over is the thing that

1:34:36

will elicit that. A

1:34:38

motion. But. I think. A

1:34:40

more interesting take on what that is

1:34:43

is is the one from the remove.

1:34:45

Yeah, and I'm so glad that that

1:34:47

decision was made here. Where? I

1:34:50

also like that there's like horny parts steward

1:34:52

legs serve as a character said, making out

1:34:54

with each other and stuff like. I'm.

1:34:57

I'm glad that the. Boomers. Going

1:34:59

to have somebody the fall into the arms

1:35:01

of when she gets back. Math. I

1:35:04

think that maybe it would have been like a

1:35:06

bridge too far to make. the guy that was.

1:35:09

Also on the jet with her

1:35:11

and and sacrificed himself her lover

1:35:13

array see I like a low

1:35:15

like I think they did a

1:35:17

great job in this first half.

1:35:19

All have just like making me

1:35:21

curious about like ten characters you

1:35:24

know. There. Are

1:35:26

so many. Interesting people

1:35:28

on this show by people whose names you

1:35:30

don't get but you get close observe and

1:35:32

you see them reacting to things over the

1:35:34

course of the episode. You like man like

1:35:36

I. Can't wait to see what happens with

1:35:38

that person. you know. Yeah. It's.

1:35:41

It's. Quite a beginning to the things.

1:35:44

And like half of those people are dead

1:35:46

by the end of this. the first half,

1:35:48

so you are. You also feel like scared

1:35:50

for all of them, You know? Yeah, everyone's

1:35:52

life is on the table here as it

1:35:54

as a character. In. A really

1:35:56

effective way Know really well then?

1:35:59

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the recap. I wasn't sure who my

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that fucking dork with

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