Green Shoots is a podcast about sustainability for people who should probably know better.

In this episode, Jack Spriggsis joined by Lord Deben, former Environment Secretary and current Chair of the Climate Change Committee to talk about his time working for Margaret Thatcher, the UK's progress on sustainability since the 1980s, and what the Government needs to do now to build on his green legacy.

You can find more episodes of Green Shoots at anchor.fm/greenshootsor wherever you get your podcasts.

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Green Shoots is hosted, produced, edited and scored by Jack Spriggs. You can get in touch with him at [email protected].

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