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Grumpy

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Old Geeks, a weekly talk show

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hosted by Brian Schummeister and Jason DeFilippo,

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discussing my points of what went wrong

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on the Internet and who's to blame.

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Welcome to the Grumpy Old Geek I'm Jason to Filipino.

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And I'm Brian Schlemaster. We're gonna have a

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lot of Elon news tonight, I guess, since

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things are kind of ambiguous, but

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we'll get to that. But You

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have a personal Elon story? Yes,

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I do. Yes, I do. Brian,

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you used to live in

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Santa Monica where you were almost hit by Priuses

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all of the time. Yep. Mhmm. And that

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was that was a running joke on the show for what five

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years -- Oh, at least. -- at least. Yeah. And basically, until I

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moved. Yeah. Yeah. Until you moved to Canada, and

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then you, you know, almost get hit by a moose. Yeah.

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I was walking through the Whole Foods

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parking lot today and I couldn't take the sidewalk

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because they have so many carts

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on the sidewalk. You can't walk on it, so you have to walk

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through the parking lot. And I

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was hit by a car. Mhmm. I was

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hit by a fucking Tesla. which

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autopilot literally might ache

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and ask because I got hip checked by

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a model three. Right. And just that

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light r didn't go off? Guess not. I guess

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I guess skinny Jason does not does

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not register on the autopilot anymore.

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Oh, it's it's it's it's buried

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deep deep deep in the documentation for

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the autopilot that it only works on

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people over two hundred pounds. Yeah.

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Yep. I clocked in at one eighty nine

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this morning so I can see you're fucked. You're

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dead meat. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know,

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it hurts a little bit. But like I said,

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literally, my ache can ass. Yeah. But,

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you know, most people in this town would

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have stop, got their license and all this

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stuff and made a fucking big deal about it. And I'm just

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like, he's got a model three. That means he

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doesn't really have any money. So

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I'm just gonna kinda put a stake

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on it later and walk it off. He

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certainly doesn't have LA money. No.

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No. No. No. No. The model s's that

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are parked in the other side of the lot. Those are the ones

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that have the money. This this guy, those

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are the ones you should be walking around in front of,

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jeez. Yeah. Seriously. I

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didn't even look in the window to see if it was a

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guy or a girl. I just assumed it was a guy.

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I just slapped the back of the window and I just

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had some choice words and flipped him off and walked

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on. because -- Mhmm. -- it's like, what

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what are you gonna do? You know? I'm not

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gonna not gonna deal with that. But autopilot,

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Micah, can ask. This thing had no it

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it just boom right into me. So Again,

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from my limited experience, the

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one time I drove a Tesla, my friend

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had bought one, If you

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were if you're older and you were raised

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a responsible adult who follows

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the rules of the road, your eyes

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are looking in your rearview mirror, your eyes

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are looking out the out

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the main wind screen. You're you're

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looking at the road. you're not looking

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down

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to

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the right where a radio or

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an ashtray would be if you're very old,

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where they put the screen that lets

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you see everything. So it's

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really, like, I found it very disconcerting.

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I was like, I don't feel like driving

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a Tesla is a safe thing to do.

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Because for me to be able to control my

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car or use the lidar systems

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and and and the three d technology and

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the cameras that see everything, For

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me to do all of that, I literally have to take

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my eyes off the road. That can't

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be right. No.

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No. Not at all. Yeah. You know,

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that's comes back now. You you saw my

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big ass jeep. There's no technology

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in that thing. I love it. I

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do

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have I I mean, I've got a backup camera, which

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I never use. I look at the window,

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because we

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got to be honest. You don't have to do

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a lot of parallel parking up there. No,

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I don't. Thank God. because I

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gotta tell you the the back the back

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up cameras are fucking awesome for parallel

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parking. Yeah. I haven't parallel parked

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in.

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God. ten

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years. It's for the yeah. It's

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at the left the cities. You know? Right. I

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had a house with a garage. I go to, you know,

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stores with parking lots. Don't

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park on the street? Yeah. No. I

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I don't even know if I could parallel park anymore. I'd

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have to buy one of those new cars that had all the fancy

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gizmos just

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so I could park it.

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Right. Yeah. So,

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yeah, that's my Tesla story for the day.

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You know, we've you made it your whole

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life in Santa Monica and Venice without getting

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hit and Here I am trying to

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get and this is this is the most

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embarrassing thing. I was

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going to a Whole Foods to buy

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a quinoa and chicken salad.

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Like, you are so LA. It

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is I told you when you texted me, I

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told my wife. I was like, Jason just told me the

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most LA story and ever. he

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got hit by a Tesla in a Whole Foods parking

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lot. Yeah. It really is. I'm just

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like I mean, I'm I was just laughing at

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redid LA story with Steve Martin.

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That's what happened. That

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was a great movie, by the way. It was a

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great movie, and true. I wonder if

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it has legs. I have to find out.

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Totally does. I watched it. A little follow-up

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on the Bruce Willis thing. Apparently, that was that

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whole story that we talked about last week was bullshit.

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So so much for the

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telegraph being a responsible news

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source. Yes. The the company,

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Deep Cake, has come out and said,

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no. No. No. He still owns his rights. We just did

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it for commercial and all

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this stuff. And I'm like, Deep Cake

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is one of the greatest company names for for

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a, you know, a virtual

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avatar company ever. How did

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we miss that? There's a cake

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up here that's that's well known.

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It's like a it's like a store brand. Right? Like

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so you just go get it. It's it's deep and delicious.

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So now I totally want a deep and delicious

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cake, a deep cake. You know, I knew the

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story was something felt some it

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didn't pass the sniff test when we put

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it in our in our notes because it was

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a very early It

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was one of the first articles that had come out about

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it. By the time we were recording, it was, like,

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just breaking it out. The name DeepCake

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wasn't in that press release. And I remember

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reading through it really quickly going It's

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weird that they're not naming the company that bought

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the rights. No.

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I I

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should have known. I didn't pass the sniff

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test. So We

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were wrong, but

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what can you do? What can you do? Not true.

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Not that I care. So Well,

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one thing one thing that

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we do care about that was not true is all the

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Kitty porn on Patreon. doesn't

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exist. There there's no follow-up on that. I, in

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no way, shape, or form, and get a categorically

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state that there's no kitty board on

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Patreon because There's no kitty board problem.

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there's no It's

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not it's not an endemic to the

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platform problem. Yes. The

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owners of the platform were not

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pushing kitty porn and keeping

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it up just to make the make the

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bones as it were. None of that was true.

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That went completely away. In fact, Patreon

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has not been in the news at all

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about anything. There's been no follow-up

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about the security fireings. There's been

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nothing. So as far as I can

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tell, you know, they're just they

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have normal company problems, not bad

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ones. Yeah. Like not making enough money,

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like us. Yeah. Like us.

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In the news.

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oh, what

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a tangled web elon muskweaves

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even if he tries to deceive.

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I don't even know like, we don't even know where

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anything is anymore. All I have to state

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now is, like, it's such

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a fucking shit show of

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stupidity and bullshit Now

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the two stories I have in here, I I I'm

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not gonna talk about them. They're just they're

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actually just fun reads and they

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don't relate to the the mess of news

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stories that we actually have in here, none of which

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apparently are valid anymore because who the

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fuck knows what's happening. No. We have no

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idea. The first is over at the Atlantic

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because as part of the process of the

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lawsuit that was coming, of course, they got access

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to Elan's text between

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him and the glitterati and

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the Technorati of the world and

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his his his basically group

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of psychopaths I was gonna say sick of

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pants. Yes. Our blowing smoke

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up has asked and telling him he's the most genius

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person any ever. And I don't

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even care what your plan is. You need a bill. I'll

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send you a billion dollars. No problem.

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Whatever. The title

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is basically a says

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it all. Elon Musk's test

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text shattered the myth of the tech

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genius. It's

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a it's a fucking brocolab. Yeah.

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And the story, it's a bunch of rich

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guys slapping each other's penises

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around.

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That's

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my line. Damn it.

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Yeah. I think the show, Jason. I

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appreciate it. I appreciate it. I've had a bad week.

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So I've I I do appreciate it.

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Calcadis is coming out the worst, I think,

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out of everybody. on Oh, he

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just looks like the biggest fucking ass liquor

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known to man. Well,

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you know That's not too far off from

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the truth.

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Well, there you go. I mean, these were private

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tax. So it's not like anybody's putting

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on airs here. Slate

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has a good breakdown of select

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particularly fun text that

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were explained and and brought

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out. So the link is in the show notes for

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that. If you wanna go through and read it.

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Fundamentally enough, You know who

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comes out the absolute best from all

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these texts being released? Who?

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Elon,

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really?

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He does. He

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comes out as like, I know

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all you people are blowing smoke up my ass.

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I'm trying to figure out what to do. you're

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you can tell from from the subtext,

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you can tell, like, he doesn't

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he does not think well of

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pro. prog at all. So that's

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fine. You you Mhmm. He he he does

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like the people. I don't know anybody that does. That's okay. I

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can't think of anybody that thinks well of him

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either. So if yes, fair enough. But you

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he comes off as somebody actually, like,

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pulling the people that he knows, trying to

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get opinions, and

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handling people trying to kiss

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his ass gracefully, but not like

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not like loarding it. He's not like, oh

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yes, kiss the ring. He's just

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like, okay, you're not really giving me

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any actionable information here. I will just

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ignore you. I mean, he is just a

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dude. So But

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he's a He doesn't come off what

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I'm saying is from my reading of all the

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texts and everything, he actually comes

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off better than anyone else involved.

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you know, honestly, after, like, you know, what

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we talked about with the billionaires last week.

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That's not hard. No.

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It's it's a low bar. It's a low bar. It's a low bar.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Just like calling autopilot on your car,

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you know. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not the

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same low bar. It is pretty pathetic,

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though. I mean, it's a billionaires just

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like us, but dumber. I

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Dude, I I know so many rich people and they're

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just not smart. Most of them are just not smart.

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They got lucky. They got

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lucky. They got lucky and they

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assumed that's because they were amazing

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people. Yep. Turns out.

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Me, maybe not. So now we

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have about seventy five stories in here

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about the the travails that the

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Twitter musk deal has gone through

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over the last couple days. you

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know, basically, it came down to I

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I don't wanna buy you anymore. Okay. Well,

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we're gonna have to sue you because we have a deal.

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How about twenty bucks a

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share? No. Fifty four twenty. Yeah.

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You got a lot of bots. You

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knew about that. Nord didn't. Well,

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the text now show that you did.

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Okay. How about thirty

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eight bucks? Nope. Fifty four twenty.

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Yeah. I was in the contract.

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Let's delay that lawsuit? Nope. Knock it

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a delayed lawsuit. Mhmm. How

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about forty five? Nope.

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Fifty four twenty.

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Consultant lawyer. Okay.

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Fuck

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it. Fine. Fifty four twenty. Sure.

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Send over the check. Contingent

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on me getting funding. Go

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fuck yourself, see we'll see you in court. and

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but now we're not sure if that's even

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what's happening anymore. The judges yeah.

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The judges put the the case on hold to

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let try and find the money. Apparently, he

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needs another couple weeks to look in his couch

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cushions to find the extra couple, you know,

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billion dollars to bite Can I can I

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just tell you right now, Elon, go back through

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your pre old texts because there's a bunch of

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people sucking you off to give you a bill. So Yeah.

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Seriously. Yeah. Come

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on. Yeah. You

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know, it's just III

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love Twitter so much, and it's just sad. This

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whole thing is sad because it's gonna get ruined. It's

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going to get destroyed. I have an

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article in here

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called Musk's Twitter deal has employees

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asking, should I stay or should I go,

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which they literally played over

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the PA system in

12:07

New York office. Like,

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it is it has got to be a

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mess over there because even if he does buy this

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company, he's gonna spend

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another couple billion dollars trying to hire

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talent to, like, you know, actually do

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his vision. Outside of the fact that he's

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gonna owe a billion or two in years every

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year, just for the loans, just to for the right

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to own this shit show. Oh, god.

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It's all over. Like, it's

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Twitter's done. No.

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This makes me sad. This is my favorite. This

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is my favorite social network. I was I

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was out there the first day. Come

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on. Like, don't take that away from

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me.

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What are you gonna

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do? We can go back to some of the other

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social networks that were there the first day on.

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Oh, wait. There just some issues

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now. Hello? The one that we made the

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most fun of is still

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there. It's

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still going. Is is it though?

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But no, it's still it's still in open for business.

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You can go post on LO.

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a Come on,

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dude. I mean, yeah, granted there's

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nobody there, but -- Okay. -- yeah. It's just

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fun. But it's

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still in in in existence, So

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that's anything. If you go to the way back

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machine. That's true. But also,

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what is an existence this week?

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The Tesla

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bot. We got

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to see the Tesla bot.

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Wow.

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That

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That is almost as bad of a shit

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show as Elon trying to buy Twitter. Watch

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-- I'd probably put a lot more money into

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making a Tesla bot lawyer. Ugh.

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Oh, speaking of, she hulk attorney at law just got

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a notice on my phone that there's new episodes. So we gotta

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finish this thing quick. Well, see, this is the problem with

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recording now on Thursday night. Is it that's

13:46

must see TV for us. I

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know. I'm like, I just gotta

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notice lower deckses out. Yep.

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She's Lower decks and she hulk. They're

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both out right now. Yeah. Yeah.

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But man, this this bot is

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like I'm like, we are so trained

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right now from Boston Dynamics to

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have break dancing robots that can do

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parkour. And this thing comes out like

14:08

a drunk Joe Biden trying to, you know,

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meander his way across the stage.

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And no shade on his show. He's just not a great thing

14:14

today, but still looks like him

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trying to walk. You know, this is not this is

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not high-tech. No, it's not. The the

14:20

taco bot's more impressive than this one. And

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Elon even says the robot can actually

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do more than we just showed you. We just didn't want it

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to fall on its face. Well,

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that's not a very good robot.

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This that sounds an

14:32

awful lot like Look at the windows

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on my cyber truck that cannot be broken

14:37

by anything. Don't walk at it.

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Oops. Oh, that

14:41

was classic. And by the way, where is that cyber

14:43

truck? Yeah. It's not coming anytime soon.

14:45

Shocking. Yeah. Shocking. Shocking.

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Apparently, you can buy one if you get a Twitter

14:50

blue subscription. subscription.

14:52

Oh, by the

14:55

way, you know, with the new edit button on Twitter

14:57

Blue, which I haven't gotten yet, but, usually,

15:00

friend of the show Brian Brushywood has, his

15:02

first hit the first line out of his mouth was

15:04

son of a country. I'm like, that's

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my man. That's my man.

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I

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love Brian.

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So in

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in oh, look, the consequences

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of my actions news Kim

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Kardashian will have to pay one point two six

15:19

million dollars to settle an SEC

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charge over a crypto post.

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So she got fined for one point two

15:26

six million dollars for ads she posted

15:28

on Instagram stories. She

15:30

got paid two hundred and fifty thousand

15:32

dollars, so quarter of a mill. So what

15:34

is that? The four time, five

15:37

times what she made in

15:39

theory is the fine. So that's

15:41

good. That's significant. I mean, it's not a lot

15:43

of money for Kim Kardashian. Let's be honest,

15:45

she made one point two six million at

15:47

least just about banging some dude and just

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releasing a video. Well, her

15:51

selling lunch today and posting and tweeting about

15:53

her, you know, Instagramming about it. So yeah.

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So this is all, you know, obviously, about the fact

15:57

that she did not she did not she

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didn't disclose that first, it was an ad.

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And secondly, not only it was an ad, she

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got paid a shit ton of money.

16:06

not just add money, just a shit

16:08

ton of money to post this stuff. So

16:10

and, of course, you know, all the the the

16:13

cryptocurrency crashed immediately. like,

16:15

immediately. So everybody that invested

16:17

just got destroyed. So Yeah.

16:19

They're all pumping dumps. Yeah. It's all

16:22

pumping dumps. All this stuff. Have we

16:24

been wrong about any of this? Were we wrong

16:26

about any of the crypto stuff? Were we wrong about

16:28

NFTs? Were we wrong about any

16:30

of this? We weren't wrong, but

16:32

we were dumb because we didn't make any

16:34

money off of it, which we should have. No. We are

16:36

ethical. Oh,

16:38

that's right ethics. You know what ethics?

16:40

Which is why we're

16:42

smarter than the billionaires, but they

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make the money. They don't have the They have

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the billions. Yes. Exactly.

16:48

No, no, sir ethics. That is apparently the

16:50

choice these days. That's it. That's

16:52

it. Yeah. Yeah.

16:54

And there's a new study out on nature

16:56

dot com about the the

16:58

economic estimation of Bitcoin mining's

17:00

climate damages, and they say

17:02

they're closer to digital

17:04

crude than digital gold. They

17:06

have great great graphs in here.

17:08

This is a this is a a heavy

17:10

read. It is a very heavy

17:12

read, but they have done the research.

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And Here here's a quote from it.

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Climate damages of BTC

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averaged thirty five percent of its market

17:21

value from twenty sixteen to twenty

17:23

twenty one and fifty eight percent between twenty twenty and

17:25

twenty twenty one. This

17:27

places BTC in the category of other

17:29

energy intensive or heavily polluting

17:31

commodities such as beef production.

17:33

natural gas electricity generation

17:35

or gasoline from crude oil and

17:37

substantially more damaging than what

17:39

we might consider to be more

17:41

sustainable commodities like chicken and pork production,

17:43

and renewable electricity sources like

17:45

solar and wind. So Yeah.

17:48

Yeah. Here's the here's the new

17:50

beef. here. Where's the

17:53

beef? It's being

17:55

mined apparently. Here's the thing. I

17:57

was on the blockchain. You you and I

17:59

are both

17:59

climate change believers. We we

18:02

believe in it. We think it's real.

18:04

We understand the

18:05

science. We we get it.

18:07

You and I also ethics,

18:10

like, I I know you play down this stuff

18:12

a lot because that's fun. It's part of your thing. But

18:14

you and I are are similar in this,

18:16

like, we We do what we can.

18:18

But the thing is, all

18:20

everything that we do amounts

18:23

to a a fucking single shake

18:25

a piss. into the

18:27

ocean. Yeah.

18:27

Like, totally nothing like,

18:29

stop fucking telling me I should eat

18:31

less hamburgers. Shut down bitcoin.

18:34

Go fuck

18:34

yourself. There you go. Yeah. Like, and

18:36

stop

18:36

telling me I should consider flying

18:39

coach less when Taylor

18:41

Swift has fucking private jet that

18:43

burns more fuel than any amount of fuel

18:45

that I'm ever gonna burn my entire

18:47

life, global hopping. Go fuck

18:49

yourselves. Yeah. I'm sick of

18:51

this. So I I you know you know what I gave up.

18:53

I think it was two thousand nine when I went

18:55

to Hong Kong and

18:57

realized that the tricity of Hong Kong is

18:59

trying to air condition the entire

19:02

external side of the city. Mhmm. Air

19:04

conditioners running in

19:06

every single window. Like,

19:08

I mean, that and it's it's like

19:11

the leaf blowers here in

19:13

LA. You know? If we just got rid

19:15

of the leaf blowers in Los Angeles

19:17

alone, we could probably drop the

19:19

carbon production of the entire state by,

19:21

like, you know, eighty percent. Yep.

19:22

It's ridiculous. And that's why it's

19:25

just like, Okay. Let's let's

19:25

let's fight the big battles. Let's not fight the little

19:27

battles. Yeah. Stop telling me to do my

19:30

part. Yeah. My best. big ones.

19:32

Talking matter. Yeah.

19:34

Let's let's let's

19:35

let's burn the planet for fake fucking

19:37

money. That's that's what it comes down to.

19:40

Mhmm. That's really it. So

19:41

Yeah. what we're doing.

19:43

So Yeah. But speaking of

19:45

that fake money, if you wanted to get any of

19:47

it out of coinbase for a little while about

19:49

six hours on Sunday, you couldn't.

19:52

Nope. An issue

19:54

with the automated clearinghouse network, which is

19:56

used for electronic transfers between bank accounts

19:58

in the country, merged just before seven

20:00

AM eastern time company said on the status page that identified the problem

20:03

described as a major outage by eight

20:05

twenty three AM and resolved it by twelve

20:07

forty one PM. During the

20:09

outage users, we're still able to buy

20:11

cryptocurrency because of course,

20:13

you could still buy it, but

20:15

you couldn't get it out if you want it

20:17

out. which is so Where's the class action lawsuit coming?

20:19

Where's this delta, you know, between when

20:21

when what was the price of Bitcoin when it

20:23

started? What was the price of Bitcoin when it ended

20:25

for this outage? And

20:27

where's the class action against coinbase? That's for a

20:30

volatile speculative thing

20:32

like Bitcoin, having not being

20:34

able to get your money out

20:36

for six hours is a bit of a problem.

20:39

It's a big fucking deal. That's what it

20:41

is. Yes, it is. And,

20:43

you know, the vast majority of people are

20:45

actually on coin base. It's huge.

20:47

So that's a No. It's a yeah. No.

20:49

I still I still have a Coinbase account.

20:51

I got my money out, but

20:53

I just left it let it sit.

20:55

every now and then I look at it and go, ugh,

20:57

still nothing. No. No. Well, here here

21:00

let's let's let's have some fun here. Where

21:02

is my tab for money, let's

21:04

open up my Metamask account,

21:06

and let's see how bad Ethereum is doing.

21:09

Okay. Ethereum, my two hundred and

21:11

fifty dollars Ethereum purchase is

21:13

now down to one hundred dollars.

21:15

And this is after

21:17

this is after they they

21:20

became quote unquote green. it

21:22

has not come back up. Yeah. So yeah. because

21:24

nobody cares. Nobody gets No.

21:26

Let's see. Okay. Bitcoin is sitting at

21:28

twenty thousand down

21:30

from It's it's Boy, it didn't go

21:32

to the moon, did it. It's kinda just went

21:34

to McDonald's. Why don't we? We're

21:36

all gonna make it No. This is all.

21:39

What a joke? What a joke at all was?

21:41

Speaking of jokes and trying to not

21:43

make it a joke, FCC is actually starting

21:45

to finally take some action with

21:47

some of these some of these

21:50

providers for what their robocall

21:52

mitigation database. They're basically

21:54

noticed that nobody's complying. And

21:56

they're, like, gonna try to start to do something about it,

21:59

which is good because I noticed for a

22:01

while, like, calls went down, but they're

22:03

huge again. They're

22:05

they're yeah. Everyday. Every

22:07

every day. It's back And the weird things The

22:09

thing I never understand about it is some

22:11

half of them and because I do tend to pick it up

22:13

and just like whatever, and then I just put my

22:15

phone down. Half of them, there's

22:17

not even a sales pitch or anything. Like,

22:20

it's just you're just calling me to

22:22

and then I answer and you hang up. What's

22:24

that about? Yeah. I don't know what the hell is

22:26

going on with that stuff. I

22:28

have no idea. But I I do like AT and T's

22:30

spam risk notice because that is the best thing. It's

22:32

like my phone rings. I'm like who the fuck is

22:35

calling me. I don't wanna talk to

22:37

anyone. and it says spam risk. And I'm like,

22:40

yes. You know? It is the

22:42

greatest thing in the world to see spam risk come

22:44

up because I'm just like, I

22:46

I guess that's how they, you know, they

22:48

train us to to take these calls. So

22:50

I guess, okay, you're still gonna get

22:52

them. But where's the button

22:54

that says If it's a spam

22:57

risk, don't fucking

22:57

tell me. Just you you

22:59

know that it's a spam risk. That's

23:01

enough for me to say, okay, fine. I

23:03

don't want it to talk to them. Yeah.

23:05

But here's the deal. You

23:06

wanna talk to me? Text me first. End

23:08

of story. Yep. Yeah. So

23:10

there's about seven companies that they're

23:12

targeting that haven't bothered to do all the different things

23:15

that they've asked them to do. And they basically said

23:17

you've got fourteen days to

23:19

show cause why you couldn't

23:21

put in stirslash shaking call

23:23

authentication to prevent spoofing and

23:25

other anti spam efforts. And if

23:27

you don't, fuck

23:29

you. or you're you're on the list forever, that's it.

23:31

You're done. And it'll shut

23:32

down these companies basically as businesses. So

23:35

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can be. I

29:11

don't know why I I don't

29:14

seem to learn sometimes, Jason.

29:16

I have a smart guy. I mean, obviously,

29:18

not billionaire smart. Oh,

29:20

wait. That's ethics again. You're right. Right. Yeah. That's different. That

29:22

ethics versus intelligence is well, you

29:24

know, smart smart guy, national merit

29:27

scholar, valedictorian and all that sort

29:29

of stuff, you know, SVT scores.

29:32

I'm smart. Yet

29:34

somehow, I keep forgetting how much I

29:36

fucking hate Marvel movies. I I

29:38

blame She hulk because She hulk was

29:40

is such a pleasant show and I'm enjoying it

29:42

so much. So I'm like, Marvel

29:44

thing isn't so bad. I

29:46

like comedy, Thor love

29:48

and thunder. People say it's funny.

29:51

I don't know what people you're talking to, but

29:53

I don't I don't know anybody that said

29:55

that movie was funny. Thor love

29:58

and thunder

30:00

is one of the most awful things I've seen in

30:02

my entire life. So

30:04

awful like a train wreck, I could

30:06

not stop watching it. I've You

30:08

just watched the whole thing. I watched

30:10

the whole thing. stem

30:12

to stern just to see how fucking

30:15

awful it could be. and

30:17

it is You pour so spectacularly

30:21

awful. Everybody's made everybody

30:23

involved in this movie should

30:26

like, the FCC should ban them from

30:28

ever making movies again. Whatever

30:30

what's the name of that guy who's so annoying.

30:33

TV. he needs to go DynaFire.

30:35

I'm sorry. Well, this is the worst.

30:37

See, I'm totally channeling you. That's

30:39

your line DynaFire. it's

30:43

horrible. If they let him anywhere near Star

30:45

Wars, I I will I don't know what

30:47

I'm gonna do. That pirate show that he

30:49

has on HBO is so

30:51

bad. this is awful. This is an embarrassment.

30:53

If this is the direction Marvel is

30:55

gonna go, they're gonna have some real

30:57

problems. It's

30:58

so bad, Jason. No.

31:00

So everybody said it was the worst Marvel

31:03

movie ever made. And, you

31:05

know, look, take away TD has two movies

31:07

that I like, I like the first Thor movie that he made. I

31:09

thought that was funny, it was

31:11

cute, and hunt for the wilder people.

31:13

Those are the the two movies that I think that

31:15

he did the best on. He

31:17

was part of

31:19

that we live in shadows too. Right?

31:21

I'd have no idea. Okay. That's

31:23

the vampire one. Yeah. I never

31:25

watched that either. on. I I started to watch I

31:28

couldn't get into it. I have a bunch of friends who who

31:30

love it say it's the best thing since sliced toast,

31:32

but I just didn't like it. It wasn't for

31:34

me. Right. But yeah. No. Taika Waikiki's

31:36

time has come and gone from everybody

31:38

I know that has seen this movie. They said it is

31:40

the worst Marvel movie ever, but you stuck

31:42

it to the end, which means you

31:44

have a data point inside of the Marvel universe

31:46

that says, you are a person that watched

31:48

the entirety of the movie. So you're part

31:50

of the problem. I'm gonna have to

31:52

delete my Netflix account and start a new one up

31:55

because I don't want that in my algorithm.

31:57

Okay. Well, I think that's Disney plus

31:59

so.

31:59

Don't don't don't delete the wrong

32:02

account. Can't delete that.

32:04

That would be bad. Yeah. I

32:05

did watch nothing compares, which is

32:08

the documentary about Shenado Connor.

32:10

I worked with her at some point

32:12

in her career. I always have

32:14

to say, I I She's

32:16

absolutely lovely in

32:18

our in our kind of

32:20

people way. She's cranky. She's

32:23

opinionated. No.

32:24

Really? I never know. Yes. You you think?

32:27

Yeah. But but an

32:29

absolutely lovely person and fantastic,

32:31

and I always really enjoyed anytime I

32:33

spent around her. See, that's just

32:35

like us too. We are we are grumpy, but we

32:37

are lovely people. Yeah. And

32:39

I've I've been screaming from the

32:41

rooftops that She was treated completely

32:43

unfairly, and she was a hundred percent right about the

32:45

church back when she's nurse

32:47

out on that life thing, and she got crucified

32:49

for it. She was right. was

32:51

a hundred percent right and every

32:53

the world owes her an effing apology and

32:55

this documentary is fantastic.

32:58

Oh, it is good. Thank God. Thank God. I've had so much

33:00

bad news. I was hoping this was gonna

33:02

be good. No. It was very good. I

33:04

I loved it. I loved everything about

33:07

it. And The the thing that really

33:09

hit me too is just I know

33:11

we're getting old, Jason. All

33:13

the footage from, like, the nineties

33:15

and all that man, that was a good time. I

33:19

miss the nineties so

33:21

much, and it's not just being old. It

33:23

was a better time for It

33:25

was. Yeah. It's fucking awesome. It

33:27

was just I mean, not so great for Shenade.

33:30

But Yeah. I was gonna say she

33:32

might she might have a differing opinion.

33:34

Mhmm. But The rest of us enjoyed it,

33:36

but no, I've I've always I've always

33:38

thought she was, you know, I didn't get to work with

33:40

her like you did, but I always thought that

33:42

she was

33:43

Bawler. That's that's the only way that I can

33:46

describe. Yes. That is an

33:48

amazing description for her. Yes.

33:50

Absolutely fantastic. And the documentary is well

33:52

worth the watch. It's it's great.

33:54

And a a big f u to the Prince's

33:56

State for not letting them use. Nothing

33:58

compares to you for no

33:59

reason whatsoever. Yeah.

34:02

It was it was great. And there's a really great

34:04

article on Slate that I've included in the show notes

34:06

that talks about how we really

34:08

need to reassess the way we treat it her. No shit. I've

34:10

been saying that for twenty years. How's she

34:12

doing now? Because we had a couple

34:15

episodes where she was like, you know, they were

34:17

doing suicide watch on her and stuff like that. Is she

34:19

is she doing better now? I think so. I mean,

34:21

she was directly involved with this documentary. A lot of the

34:23

voice over is her very recently talking about

34:25

stuff. So I look, she's

34:27

manic depressive. She's she's she's

34:29

many things. She's She's not a

34:31

well person, but she seems

34:34

to be all together.

34:36

Yeah. Can I that

34:38

that I can I can relate to.

34:41

I I did finish season three

34:43

of pose, so I watched all of that.

34:45

And -- Mhmm. -- my god, Billy fucking

34:48

Porter, is is a national treasure.

34:50

That guy It's just,

34:52

wow. He I I know next to nothing

34:54

about him except for what I see him, like,

34:56

flounce through on award shows and things like

34:58

that. And I'm just, like, that that guy's a

35:00

baller. when he wore that dress, that black dress

35:03

to the first the Oscar I don't know if it

35:05

was the Oscars or the Emmys, but that was the first

35:07

time I ever saw him. I never knew who he was,

35:09

and he wore that. And I'm like, you,

35:11

my man. It was awesome.

35:13

He is the only thing that interests me

35:15

about award shows anymore. When I see him appear,

35:17

I'm like, now this guy's interesting. He's

35:19

so interesting. He is so interesting.

35:22

And hopefully, he will be here in the studio

35:24

soon.

35:25

But also on

35:28

season two of pose, is Deshaun

35:30

Wesley, who is the host of legendary,

35:32

which I've talked about, and I'm doing a podcast with

35:34

him. And we had we had the trailer out

35:36

for that. We are booking all of our first guests now. That

35:38

show will be out in about two, three weeks

35:40

maybe. And we are hopefully gonna

35:42

have Billy Porter on the

35:44

show because this billy

35:46

fucking porter. That's why. Yeah. You

35:48

know? That's why.

35:49

And it is so

35:50

nice to have, like, you know, the

35:53

studio being used now. And Deshaun is he's

35:55

also a treasure. I mean, got the voice on

35:57

that guy. Jesus. He he's got a

36:00

presence. Let's just say, when he walks in

36:02

a room, Like, you

36:04

know it? You know it. You you you you've

36:06

been around stars before. You say you know

36:08

when, like, a real one walks in the room?

36:10

Yep. He's a real one. So Say what you

36:12

will about cold play? That's Chris Martin.

36:14

Really? Really? Yeah. Hundred percent. I've

36:16

never I've never really liked their music, so I

36:18

didn't really follow them that much. There is a

36:20

reason they're as famous as they are. And

36:22

it's Chris

36:22

Barton. Okay. Yeah.

36:24

Biggest band in the world when you were working with them.

36:26

So Mhmm. Yeah. I did

36:28

start to watch the real bling ring

36:31

the Hollywood hype

36:33

story. Mhmm.

36:34

Yeah.

36:36

Episode

36:37

and a half, we we just said,

36:39

no. We're done. These are garbage people. These are

36:41

people that were thieves. They

36:43

were flat out thieves, and now they have a

36:45

show on Netflix. and I

36:47

wanna say to Netflix, don't fuck

36:50

yourself for giving them a show,

36:52

period. I agree. A hundred percent. What are you

36:54

doing? That's Yeah. This these people should

36:56

not have a show. Make a dollar very

36:58

fine. That's that's fine. Tell tell the

37:00

story about them. That's fine. Give

37:02

the money. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. And it's

37:05

them. It's them telling their own story. Yeah. So they're getting

37:07

paid. It's it it yeah. No.

37:09

It is horrible. It is horrible. And

37:11

and like nowadays, with

37:14

crime the way it is, especially here in Los Angeles, my

37:16

friend Johnny had his van stolen the other

37:18

day right out in front of his place.

37:21

hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of gear inside of

37:24

it because he's a plumber. So it's basically a

37:26

mobile, you know,

37:28

hardware store. Right. And nobody called it in, like,

37:30

they took them seven they have the video of it, and

37:32

it took them seventeen minutes to break in and

37:34

actually break it so they could so they could

37:36

steal it. And

37:38

right after they stole it,

37:41

they were involved in a fatal hit

37:43

and run with his van.

37:46

So he's gonna get some of it back. He doesn't know

37:48

if it was it was after before,

37:50

you know, if they unloaded it or

37:52

not. So but the cops apparently said that there

37:55

there's some tools left. So but, I mean,

37:58

here's here's the other funny part talking

38:00

about, you know, law

38:02

enforcement nowadays. He was on

38:04

the phone with his insurance company,

38:06

and he said that fuck this. I'm just

38:08

gonna kill myself. I'm done. I spent

38:10

thirty years building this business. Now my business is gone and you guys aren't gonna help

38:12

me. So at least

38:14

to the point of the insurance company,

38:16

this would be Mercury Insurance.

38:18

They called it in to the LAPD and said, you need to go do a wellness

38:20

check on this guy. He's suicidal right now. He

38:23

just lost his livelihood and whatever.

38:26

They

38:26

they showed up. Mhmm. Eight

38:28

hours

38:29

later. What the fuck is

38:32

the point of that? Just to go pick up

38:34

the body. And let me

38:36

know. God. It's just I'm I'm so mad at

38:38

law enforcement nowadays. You have no

38:40

idea. And around here, it's like,

38:42

I've got a homeless encampment behind me that

38:44

is in higher road, it is don't even get me started. Anyway Canada.

38:46

Pretty nice. Shit. Shows like this is what

38:48

pisses me off though because they they

38:52

take crime and they

38:54

they sensationalize it. And these people

38:56

should still be in fucking jail for what they

38:58

did. I mean, they should seriously still be

39:00

in jail. Look, if Jeffrey Dahmer were still alive, they'd they'd have a show

39:02

with him. Tell a good story. Oh, they

39:04

do. Oh, wait, sad. Look, that's the other show that's

39:06

on my to do watch. Yeah. But he's not

39:08

still alive. No.

39:10

He's not. They can't hire

39:12

him. No. But there was a big

39:14

kerfuffle about the LGBTQ

39:16

community saying that, hey, this isn't an

39:18

LGBTQ movie. This is a Oh, yeah.

39:20

Apparently, it was just Don't take us that way.

39:22

Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you

39:24

know, I'm I'm with them. That's

39:26

it's not a gay movie. he was

39:28

a gay guy, but it is not a movie about LGBTQ community.

39:31

So why would you tag it that

39:33

way? That's it was ridiculous. So I'm glad that

39:35

at least they reversed course on

39:38

that. But, yeah, that's that we're probably gonna end up watching that

39:40

soon. So let's see how that goes. I'm

39:42

gonna take a big pass on that one. Yeah. It

39:44

I I'm kind of on the fence. You

39:47

know? It's like, I lived through that. I was there. I mean, I

39:49

was in Chicago. He was in Milwaukee, so we're it was

39:51

close, you know, when all that stuff

39:53

went down. So, yeah,

39:55

I don't know. Let's move on to some more fun stuff or

39:57

sort of. Bobby's triple threat on the food

39:59

network. Mhmm. This

40:01

is the worst food network

40:02

show I've ever seen in my life.

40:06

it is so boring. It's ridiculous.

40:08

It's like, let's put

40:09

let's put one chef against

40:11

three other chefs. and

40:13

let them have a cook off, you know, it's a competition

40:16

show. What I think is

40:18

Bobby Flay's

40:20

audience is very old and

40:22

subdued -- Yes. -- so they don't want

40:24

action? You compare that

40:26

to the other show that's now now called

40:28

Out Chef, where they bring in people who are who

40:30

think that they're going to be in an audition for a Food Network

40:32

show, and then they pair them a

40:35

it's a competition show against

40:38

one of the major food network That show

40:41

is incredible. Each show, everybody's

40:43

doing the same

40:46

shit. They're cooking. That's it. They're cooking against each other. Period.

40:49

Outshaft

40:49

period is

40:50

engaging. It's hilarious. It's funny.

40:53

Bobby's triple threat, we were like twenty minutes and we're like, this is

40:55

the stupidest thing we've ever seen. I don't get

40:58

it.

40:58

Cheap to produce and lots of hours to

41:00

fill. Yeah. Yeah. But outsheft

41:03

is awesome. It is totally awesome. I have

41:05

to say we've we've been watching

41:07

a a crap ton of food

41:09

network because we're, you know, heading

41:11

into Halloween Lucas my son

41:13

loves Halloween and they've got

41:16

Halloween wars, Halloween cookie

41:18

wars. Oh, how's the cookie show? Have you

41:20

watched that? Fantastic. And I can't wait using his mind. He was

41:22

like, I wanna make vampire cookies that

41:24

that spit out

41:26

blood. Like, he's loving. Oh, that's

41:28

so cool. Yeah. Jed Taylor lives down the road, so

41:30

I'm I'm really excited to see that one.

41:32

Yeah. All all the Halloween shows are all

41:34

out now and and, yeah, we've just been

41:36

bitching them, and they're great. So Oh,

41:38

good. Yeah. Check out out, Jeff. It is it is

41:40

so cool because it just it is worth it

41:42

for the look on the the person's face

41:45

when they get to see who they're going up against. Like,

41:47

the first one was Alex Gornachelli, and the

41:49

second one was Antonio

41:52

Lofaso. So And just, you know, because they're walking down the hall with all these

41:54

pictures. And, you know, it it's

41:56

it's it's this when they come out, they're

41:58

like, Oh,

42:00

shit. And they have their family in the back, like

42:02

screaming. It's so cool. It is it

42:04

is definitely one of the happiest shows. that

42:07

seen in a long time. Bobby's triple

42:10

threat. Cancel that right now, please.

42:12

Cancel it.

42:14

Alright. The Doon revival

42:16

is a go. Apparently, part

42:18

one of Dennis -- Of news. --

42:20

Doon is has done well

42:22

enough that HBO's going all in as

42:25

Greenlit, a show called Sister Hood of

42:27

Dune, which will star Emily Watson

42:29

and Shirley Henderson. Now Do

42:31

they have traveling pants? They wear

42:32

dresses. Okay. Well, I just even the sisters of the traveling

42:35

I hear your sisterhood. I'm just I always think of

42:37

that shit that movie. Did you ever watch that

42:39

movie?

42:39

because I No. I'm

42:42

not. I just I

42:44

just remember the title. Just right

42:46

here, the the the trip. It's a

42:48

good title. So this is based on the novels

42:50

written by by

42:52

Frank Herbert's son that

42:56

Brian Herbert not if you remember, I've reviewed a lot of these

42:58

books in the past, and I vowed that I'm not

43:00

gonna read them anymore because they're just

43:02

not up

43:04

to snuff. But what I will say for them in

43:06

terms of it being a TV

43:08

show, he Brian Herbert's stuff

43:10

is so is

43:12

watered down. and reads

43:14

like it could be a movie

43:16

or say a series as opposed to

43:18

Frank Herbert stuff which is basically unfilmable

43:21

which is why the three and a half hour

43:23

dune is only part one and probably

43:26

should really only be part three of a

43:28

dune movie because dude

43:30

is, like, seven thousand pages of

43:32

political thriller mixed with climate change

43:34

mixed with everything else known to man

43:37

and massively big ideas while

43:39

Brian Henderson or Brian Herbert. I don't know

43:41

why I said Henderson. Brian Herbert's

43:44

book are one

43:44

idea stretched over three hundred pages. So this

43:47

could actually

43:47

be and

43:48

make for a good series.

43:52

see. Alright. Go ahead. I'll check

43:53

it out. I'm in. Yeah. I'm in.

43:55

Why not? Yeah. So this is the early story,

43:57

the backstory about the Benadgester it

43:59

came about. So takes

44:02

place. That sounds ten thousand years before

44:04

noon. Oh, jeez. Okay.

44:06

Yeah. Let's let's let's let's put the universe

44:08

on that one

44:10

for sure. I I just I can't wait for, you know, the

44:12

next movie because it was so

44:14

good. It was so good. It was great. It was actually

44:16

really good. I'm not gonna lie. I enjoyed

44:18

it. Yeah. What's

44:20

not good is a a bunch of shares on Spotify. They are cancelling

44:23

eleven of their original podcast, and they

44:25

are laying off around five percent

44:27

of their podcast staff. So you're saying I I

44:29

shouldn't keep shouldn't keep continuing reaching out to my

44:32

contacts as Spotify to get them to pay us?

44:34

Well, you know, they've got some budget.

44:36

They just cleared up. They

44:38

freed up. Oh, budget. Yep. Oh, yeah. But

44:40

here's the deal. They gave it all to Kim Kardashian.

44:42

The one person who doesn't need any

44:44

more money. So Yeah. Yeah. Well, she does now. She had to pay one point

44:46

to six million dollars in line.

44:48

Yeah. Maybe maybe that'll that'll cover

44:50

it because she's got a new podcast called

44:52

the system. the case of Kevin

44:54

Keith, and they've also

44:56

got, you know, the big show called

44:58

her daddy.

44:59

Oh,

45:01

there's that other show. What's that guy,

45:03

Joe? Something? Yeah. I think they spent a bunch

45:05

of money on him too.

45:07

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

45:09

This is really this is just funny that they're

45:11

killing these shows, you know. It's it's the gimlet

45:13

shows and the podcast shows.

45:15

They didn't they just buy gimlet. I mean, I I know timing

45:17

is is compressing. 4502 is

45:20

compressing. That's Murray. Okay. But

45:22

also, like I

45:24

just said, Gimlet

45:24

unionized. Right. See you later. Uh-huh.

45:26

Yeah. Don't forget that.

45:28

Always keep that in the back of your head when

45:30

you see these these things come through. Yes.

45:33

Just remember there is a Spotify

45:35

or Spotify. There's a Starbucks

45:38

on every corner, but they decided to shut

45:40

down one. Which one did they shut

45:42

down? The one that voted to

45:44

unionize. Ups

45:47

and do that. You're talking a

45:49

little bit earlier about the Twitter edit button and that's Sort of a

45:51

party rolling out except not

45:55

in the US. They're rolling out

45:57

the long awaited feature in Canada, and New Zealand, but only for Twitter blue

46:00

subscribers. Obviously, it

46:02

makes sense. They're gonna roll it out, test it on

46:06

smaller markets. before they bring

46:08

it to the US, which is the biggest market. Again, it exists.

46:11

Delete. It does

46:14

reach out Yeah. I can't

46:16

get it yet. I'm a Twitter blue

46:18

subscriber. I do not have it. And by the

46:20

way, I would like to say that Twitter

46:22

blue is such a sham that they have all of these things that say, you

46:24

get all these news articles for free

46:26

if you're a Twitter blue subscriber.

46:29

Half of them that I click on and go to the

46:32

new site asks me to log

46:33

in because it's behind a paywall.

46:36

Yeah. So it's completely broken. It's

46:38

totally broken. Yeah. Doesn't

46:40

work

46:40

at all. I know. No. I've I've read

46:42

countless articles about how that doesn't work

46:44

at all. So if you really want

46:48

to edit your tweet and then have everybody see the

46:50

timestamp reference of of every single edit

46:52

that you made so they can still read exactly

46:54

what you read the first time.

46:57

By all means, you can pay five bucks a month

46:59

for that. Alternatively, you can then

47:01

again just delete the

47:04

tweet and

47:05

retype what you meant to type in the first

47:07

place, which is what we used to do. Yeah. What

47:10

what most people still do because I don't pay

47:12

five bucks a month for a useless thing that

47:14

does nothing. I still pay for it because I the the is

47:16

nice. So when you tweet it, you can

47:18

set a variable timer before it goes

47:22

out. I know

47:22

that I could theoretically proofread

47:25

my tweet before I press

47:27

send, but I have the attention

47:29

span of a goldfish. So

47:31

I forget. And then when the timer's going, I

47:34

reread it and I'm like, oh, cancel cancel cancel, that's

47:36

wrong. So

47:39

And

47:39

not like I'm making any money off of

47:41

my tweets, but it is just so

47:43

funny. Alternatively, a friend of the show,

47:46

Mike Walter, back when

47:48

he used to be very involved on social media and and

47:50

posting what he thought were very funny

47:52

tweets, he would just keep a

47:54

a database. and then he

47:55

would, you know, open it up on his

47:58

computer, read through it

47:59

again,

47:59

make sure he thought it was funny, and then send

48:02

it. So You could just

48:04

type your thought, your tweet

48:06

into, say, the Notes app,

48:08

reread it a few times. Sorry. I'm old

48:10

school. BB edit, please. please, b b edit.

48:12

Okay. b b edit if you want. I'm

48:14

just saying there are a lot of options that don't cost

48:16

you five bucks a month to make sure that you don't type

48:18

out something stupid. No. But I wanted

48:20

the news I wonder the news thing, but that doesn't work.

48:22

And you're still It doesn't. It

48:23

it used to. Now it and you're still too

48:25

angry. quit because of

48:28

Elon. Oh,

48:28

yeah. Blame Elon for that one. It's all about Elon.

48:31

So it's all about Elon's

48:33

fault. I know. So I made a

48:35

very stupid purchase this

48:38

week. which you're gonna which I know you're I know you're gonna just love.

48:40

So I sent you a picture of it. I

48:44

sent

48:44

you your house. I've

48:46

been

48:46

to your studio. Yeah. You do

48:48

not have Elon Musk money or

48:51

a Elon Musk mansion that

48:54

would require the amount of space needed to be able to look

48:56

at a seventy five inch screen. Yes,

48:58

because I bought the Amazon Fire TV

49:01

seventy five inch omnicheries four k UHD smart TV

49:03

with Dolby Vision hands free with Alexa. Mhmm.

49:06

I bought this because

49:08

in the free

49:10

you can't be in the same house with it because it's

49:12

so big. Jesus Christ. I got I

49:14

got I got fifty inch TVs in the

49:16

studio that I bought for two hundred bucks each at

49:18

a resale shop. great part

49:20

about these is they were part of an apartment

49:22

complex, and they'd never took

49:24

off all of the streaming logins.

49:26

So I get on every channel on

49:28

these TV. It's great.

49:32

But where we have it in

49:34

the studio, I needed a bigger TV because it

49:36

doesn't look right on camera when we're shooting it in

49:38

the background. So

49:39

I thought, well, this

49:41

is on sale. Go go big

49:43

and go home. Go big. I did

49:45

not I did not get out of tape measure to actually

49:47

look at how big a seventy five inch TV

49:49

is. It's massive. The guys that

49:51

were bringing

49:52

it in

49:53

couldn't get it through door. They had to

49:55

keep talking with it. It was I mean, like, when I

49:57

saw them coming in, like, I I looked at my

49:59

window in the studio, and

50:01

I was telling my friend Joey Rabii who is here. I'm

50:04

like, holy shit that thinks bigger

50:06

than the driver. And,

50:08

yes, it is. It

50:10

is. But it's on sale. You save two

50:12

hundred and ten dollars if you buy it now. It's

50:14

usually one thousand forty nine. I got it for

50:16

eight actually, got it cheaper than this. I

50:18

got it for two fifty off, but it was so

50:20

it

50:20

was like around eight hundred bucks. You saved

50:22

money buying this, Jason. Oh,

50:24

no. because now I gotta figure how to

50:26

get it out of here and back to an Amazon distribution center so I can

50:28

return it because it is too big for

50:30

anything in any place that I

50:32

have ever or will ever own. It's

50:36

so stupidly big.

50:38

It's actually too bad because I was very

50:40

curious about what the quality of their TVs

50:42

are. So buy a smaller one from

50:44

Amazon, and let's see. Well, there's the sixty five inch, which

50:46

is the one I should have gone for, which would

50:48

actually fit the space perfectly. because I sent you a

50:51

picture of the studio with the TV and -- Yeah. -- you know. Yeah.

50:53

So it just needs to be a little bit

50:55

bigger. Right? a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Just

50:57

a little bit too small.

50:59

Just measure. Yeah. Measure

51:01

twice by once. is pretty

51:03

much where I'm at with that. But

51:06

the the the box is

51:08

so gigantic. We started to take we started

51:10

to look at it. I'm like, No. you could

51:12

actually sell that box as a home in Los

51:14

Angeles. No. Well, I have a

51:16

homeless

51:16

encampment out back. So I could

51:18

probably drop it off there and

51:20

you know Open the door. Yeah. I could

51:22

well, that or I could just, you know, house, like, seventy five different waves

51:24

that that need to need a place to stay

51:26

in in my neighborhood, but she's us.

51:30

this thing is gigantic. I just I don't know.

51:33

But, you know, the the other side

51:35

of me is thinking, man,

51:38

my Xbox would look awesome on

51:40

this. But the

51:42

I don't have a place that's big enough to

51:44

actually put it on. Yeah.

51:46

So I don't. I have no place to put this

51:48

thing. It is that big. So

51:52

But something that is small

51:54

that I got, I got the DJI

51:57

AVATTA drone because I sold all

51:59

three of my

51:59

other drones and got

52:01

enough money to buy this one because this one is all heads

52:03

up virtual. You wear goggles and it has

52:05

a motion controller that you

52:07

use with it. which is the

52:09

one thing that I've always wanted. I that that's the

52:11

drone that I always wanted. I wanted, like, you know, a cool

52:14

drone that I could do that stuff

52:16

with. But the old ones didn't have that,

52:18

whatever. But This thing is

52:20

cool. I did not spend

52:22

any money on it. I actually sold other shit to get

52:24

to to pay for this one because I know everybody's going,

52:26

why are you buying all this shit? Jason

52:28

DeSpendipu? But

52:30

the problem is now, I can't I

52:32

gotta I have to, like -- Alright.

52:34

-- figure out how my glasses work. My

52:36

glasses are too big. I'm I'm gonna run an impromptu grumpy

52:38

old gigs contest right now.

52:41

Whoever can guess

52:42

the exact amount of drones that

52:45

Jason has bought. Over the course

52:47

of this show, to the

52:50

letter, you have to get the exact number right

52:52

of the number of different drones Jason

52:54

has bought doesn't matter how

52:56

long he owned him. Doesn't matter if he

52:58

took it out of the box. If he bought it

53:00

and it came into his house. That's a

53:02

drone he bought. whoever gets it exactly right, gets this drone when

53:04

Jason is sick of

53:06

it. No. I'm not giving up my

53:08

drone for

53:10

that. You will be able to buy the number one. Yes. In like

53:12

five more episodes, you're gonna buy a different drone

53:14

and you're gonna be done with this one. I know

53:18

you. Oh, of course. But who knows? Who knows? Imprompt

53:20

2G0G contest. Send your entries to the

53:22

podcast at Grumpy Logistics

53:24

dot com. So this new

53:26

story I saw, and I just I

53:28

actually think this is really cool.

53:30

Like, a lot of the time, like, I I

53:32

don't give fuck about high fashion. High fashion is ridiculous.

53:34

I don't give a fuck about the

53:36

metaverse. A metaverse is ridiculous. I

53:38

don't give a fuck about a lot of things in

53:40

technology. I think

53:42

it's all stupid, but this was awesome. At its show

53:44

this past week in the fashion house low,

53:46

turned heads when it sent two models down

53:48

the red way in pixelated

53:50

style clothes that look like something out of

53:52

Minecraft, you have to go to the show

53:54

notes, you have to click on this

53:56

link. It

53:56

is cool as shit. I

53:58

believe it's so fucking cool. The entire the entire article

54:02

is talking about, like, this has gotta be,

54:04

like, photoshops that are done on on the

54:06

on the on the models to

54:08

make it just, like, look that look

54:10

that good. No. No. It's real. They're

54:12

real clothes. I want

54:13

I want the hoodie. I want

54:16

the pants. They're awesome. They may have seen some crazy

54:18

pixelated effect. I bet they're not comfortable.

54:20

I mean, there's no way that these

54:22

are, like, comfortable to wear in the

54:24

real world. but I would buy

54:26

this for Halloween. I mean, it's

54:28

awesome. These things I would just buy them for

54:30

going to lunch. It's

54:32

so cool. I mean, like, back

54:33

in the club days, imagine how how fucking, you

54:35

know, we'd be running

54:36

the show with that stuff. It is so

54:40

good. they're they're so good. The the pants, you know, with the with the

54:42

jagged, like pixelated patterns are

54:44

fantastic, but the hoodies where they

54:47

look like they have hard edges

54:49

that they probably do. These are are phenomenal. Well

54:52

done. Very impressed. When you put

54:54

this in here, I'm like, I am not gonna

54:56

like this. that I clicked on it.

54:58

And I'm just like, oh, yeah.

55:00

This is good. Shit. I want these

55:02

now. I want

55:04

these now.

55:06

Security.

55:08

security

55:12

Welcome

55:13

back to security. With Dave Bittner. Dave is the host

55:15

of the CyberWire podcast. Co host of the

55:17

social engineering podcast hacking humans

55:19

with Joe Kerrigan. Dave is also

55:21

the cohost of caveat with Ben Yellen where they discuss

55:24

law and policy and surveillance and privacy, and

55:26

the new control loop where they discuss

55:28

ICS and OT.

55:30

Hello, Dave. Hello. Good to be back. Yes. The band is all back

55:32

together. We got everybody today with you. That's

55:34

right. Welcome back with you. You missed you

55:36

last week. Yeah. You

55:38

know, lots of weird schedules

55:40

going on -- Yeah. -- holidays blah blah

55:42

blah. Yeah. Life.

55:45

Mhmm. Life. Life. So let's

55:47

dive in. Andor,

55:48

where are you guys at?

55:50

Get pulled off. Of security.

55:52

In Star

55:53

Wars doc. That's right.

55:56

I'm all caught up. It has

55:58

it has peaked my interest again as

55:59

soon as we basically got off as

56:02

soon as we stopped doing the solo

56:04

movie beginning story of

56:06

person just running around the planet being

56:08

miserable, I got much better.

56:10

So I I

56:12

have still only seen the first episode

56:14

I'm still woe from behind. I know. I look, I'm

56:16

I'm not happy about it either, but it's

56:18

just the way that my life has played

56:20

out these past couple weeks that

56:24

hopefully, over this weekend, I'll I'll catch

56:26

up. Yeah. I mean, it's really it's it's been an

56:28

interesting thing. Jason and I were

56:30

recording last night a bit. We've

56:32

kind of split the schedule a little bit more and we are kinda talking about

56:34

how it's it's definitely a

56:36

must see TV period for us right

56:38

now. We were itching to

56:40

finish recording so we could go catch

56:42

up on Star Trek Lower decks and

56:44

and She Hulk and then

56:46

Andor and then I'm really into the Lord

56:48

of the Rings thing which comes I don't have

56:50

enough time. to to keep

56:52

up with things that we want. You, sir, need to get fired and be unemployed.

56:55

That's right. That's

56:59

right. No. You know, we we were

57:02

watching show and we're we're

57:04

watching the other night. We were watching an episode

57:06

of The

57:08

Middle. You know, the sitcom, the middle from Not

57:10

Malcolm in me? No. Not Malcolm

57:12

in

57:12

me. Just the middle. Okay. From

57:16

the early teens, like, twenty twelve, I guess, it was on.

57:18

Mhmm. And the thing that I think is

57:20

outstanding about the middle is I think it

57:22

is a

57:24

perfectly cast show. Like like

57:26

like like everyone playing their

57:28

characters is is pitch

57:30

perfect. But as we were

57:32

looking through the episodes, it was like

57:34

twenty four episodes in a season. And it right.

57:36

And that was the state school just -- Yeah.

57:38

-- a decade ago,

57:40

twenty two, twenty

57:41

four episodes now

57:44

you get eight -- Yeah. -- or ten or if

57:46

you're lucky. Yeah. Well, I mean, six, you

57:48

know. Look look at the new Star Trek

57:51

series that that we're loving, you know, a brave

57:53

new world. What was it? Eight episodes,

57:56

then you go back and load up an up a

57:58

season of Star Trek, the

57:59

next generation. seventy thousand episodes.

58:02

Yeah. That's

58:03

right. That's right. And I

58:05

I suppose folks in the UK are used to

58:07

this sort of thing, but for

58:10

us, it's a little bit different. I I guess part you you

58:12

talk about next generation. I guess part of

58:14

what's good about this is that you don't

58:16

end up with clip shows

58:19

we're sorry. filler episodes. It's a Right. Somebody

58:21

gets solved. Somebody's eating on the bone. Yeah.

58:24

Somebody's stuck in the holidays, so we're gonna

58:26

get flash backhaul episode long? Or I I think about a show,

58:28

like, my wife and I just finally caught

58:30

up on on the last season of

58:32

succession. Like,

58:34

if

58:34

that were more episodes, it would be horrible. But the fact

58:36

that they just cut it to just what you

58:39

need, it's it's absolutely wonderful. So

58:41

there's there's a plus then

58:43

there's a plot to to it. having

58:44

-- There is. -- episodes. I I also

58:46

just the fact that sometimes

58:48

we have to wait for

58:50

years for our

58:52

next batch of only eight episodes.

58:54

Yes. Yes. Here's your eight episodes.

58:56

Two years from now, we're gonna give you

58:58

eight more And unless there's a pandemic and you

59:01

have to wait four years. Right?

59:04

Right. No. I mean, I waited forever for

59:06

billions to come back. because they had to cut it in

59:08

the middle of it because of the

59:10

pandemic. And then it came back even worse,

59:12

which was sad. But that show

59:14

was dead now. to me. Yeah. So

59:16

I'm all in another session. Billions is

59:18

dead. Bastards.

59:19

Yeah. I mean, the flipside is it

59:21

is quality content. I'll I'll take some

59:23

of these shows versus a sitcom grinding out twenty

59:25

four episodes, you know, on a standing

59:28

set in front of a live

59:30

studio audience. These

59:32

these shows are cinematic qualities.

59:34

So Yeah. Yep. I

59:36

I mean, I I fell

59:37

in love with British TV

59:39

because it was that format, you know, look at the

59:41

old days for spooks when that first started.

59:44

That was a fantastic show

59:46

about MI6 or MI5I

59:48

can't remember. Mhmm.

59:50

MI something, but there was also another really

59:52

short series called Ultra Violet that had

59:54

Idris a very young Idris

59:57

Elba in it. It was a vampire show, and

59:59

it was

59:59

amazing, and it was just short, and it started in

1:00:02

the middle, and it ended in the

1:00:04

middle. And

1:00:06

you never You

1:00:07

never really had anything, but it also had Philip Kwas

1:00:09

in it who played the best of you out there

1:00:11

of all time. But -- Oh. -- I

1:00:13

I digress. It's fantastic fantastic series. I think

1:00:15

you can get it on on Amazon Prime. But I love

1:00:17

those those

1:00:18

shorter series. So I I

1:00:22

find these. I a

1:00:22

hundred percent agree. I mean, I think and this is gonna open up a can

1:00:24

of worms because thousands of people will disagree

1:00:26

with me. But the only the

1:00:29

office British version three

1:00:31

to

1:00:31

three seasons, far superior to the

1:00:34

twelve plus seasons of the US

1:00:36

office. Ryan

1:00:37

at grumpy old geek dot com.

1:00:39

That's where you send your letter. It's unpopular opinion. I I'm aware of

1:00:41

that, but I think it's much

1:00:43

better personally. Yep. Well,

1:00:46

look at coupling. Coupling was a fantastic

1:00:48

British series that was destroyed here

1:00:50

in the US. So Yeah.

1:00:52

I didn't have a combination episode four.

1:00:54

That was that was really, really bad writing,

1:00:57

really, really bad casting for

1:00:59

the US version. so they had

1:01:01

a perfect storm of crap.

1:01:04

Yeah. They were they were firing on the no

1:01:06

cylinders for that one for sure. Here's your show

1:01:08

title. Perfect storm

1:01:10

of crap. that could be every

1:01:12

episode. But okay.

1:01:14

So Dave, you're not caught up yet. So we'll have

1:01:16

to we'll have to table and or

1:01:20

for now. I do wanna say that our new

1:01:22

friends over at

1:01:22

one of these guys

1:01:25

called, again, CyberCraft, where I

1:01:27

found

1:01:27

those amazing helmets. They

1:01:29

have just come out with their their

1:01:32

Mandalorian Dark Sabre, which

1:01:34

is -- Mhmm. -- little pricey. It's eight hundred and twenty

1:01:36

dollars. Oh, yeah. Without

1:01:38

chipping a little. But it

1:01:40

is cool. It is cool. Alerts the things

1:01:42

that make me think. Maybe I shouldn't introduce

1:01:44

my son to Star Wars. I

1:01:47

don't wanna be on later life. You know? And

1:01:49

even I mean, it comes with a carrying

1:01:51

case and all this stuff. And

1:01:54

it's like, I do have to return that seventy five

1:01:56

inch monster TV and it costs exactly the

1:01:58

same. Do I swap? No,

1:02:00

Jason. Bad Jason. You're not gonna do

1:02:02

that. But is

1:02:04

tempting because this thing does look great. I

1:02:06

gotta say something. This this is one of those

1:02:08

things that I think is gonna photograph much

1:02:10

better than when you unbox it at

1:02:13

home, but I could be wrong. I suppose if I mean,

1:02:15

if you were someone who was cosplaying

1:02:17

this, then it would be the

1:02:19

perfect accessory and

1:02:21

money was spent. Yeah. I know

1:02:23

my youngest son Jack loves the Dark Sabre. Like, he's

1:02:25

really into the whole lore of

1:02:28

it and what is it about and and all that sort

1:02:30

of thing. So

1:02:32

he would all over this, he'd be saving up his allowance

1:02:34

until he was twenty five to be able to

1:02:36

afford it.

1:02:38

But You know, the other that that

1:02:40

strikes me about this is, I don't know,

1:02:43

Brian, if you remember,

1:02:45

Jason, you remember when we were kids

1:02:47

and Star Wars first came

1:02:49

out. Mhmm. And the market was flooded

1:02:51

with -- Mhmm. -- crap

1:02:54

lightsabers. Yes. I agree with any

1:02:56

of them. flashlights

1:02:56

with tubes attached to the end. Yep. And some

1:02:58

of them were inflatable me. Yeah. Right? Some of them

1:03:01

yep. There were there were some inflatable ones,

1:03:03

but then there were there

1:03:05

were some off brand ones that, you know,

1:03:07

were laser swords, and they just

1:03:09

had a, like, a plastic tube

1:03:12

attached to a cheap flashlight with a piece

1:03:14

of red gel. in the end.

1:03:16

Mhmm. And, you know, you'd

1:03:18

whack each other, you know, twice and

1:03:20

it would break and that would be it and, you know, you're

1:03:22

done. Yeah. So to have

1:03:24

this sort of quality, my son

1:03:26

has my my other son

1:03:28

has a lightsaber that

1:03:30

is amazing. It was a couple hundred dollars

1:03:33

you know, it's got it, I guess, a a

1:03:35

line of LEDs down the middle. It makes all

1:03:37

the noises. You can make it do anything you

1:03:39

want. It can be any color. It runs all

1:03:41

sorts of patterns and things. but also, you

1:03:44

can whack

1:03:44

the crap out of somebody with

1:03:45

it, and it's fine. I was gonna say,

1:03:47

is it

1:03:48

washable? It is. Yeah.

1:03:51

You could have a battle with

1:03:54

this

1:03:54

thing. I know of what you speak because

1:03:56

of the last time my my

1:03:58

family and I we went back to Los Angeles and stayed

1:04:00

with my mom. We walked over to downtown Disney. Mhmm. And we went

1:04:02

to they have a Star Wars

1:04:05

dedicated store there and went

1:04:07

in, and they still have the very cheap

1:04:10

lightsabers, what I call the affordable

1:04:12

lightsabers. My son wanted to

1:04:14

have nothing to do with that one and immediately

1:04:16

be lying towards these seven hundred

1:04:18

dollar lightsabers of which you

1:04:20

speak. And my wife was like,

1:04:22

no. No. No. No way.

1:04:24

Are we Yeah. And

1:04:26

I was kinda like, yeah, that's that's a bit

1:04:28

pricey. Just see if

1:04:30

they get a a dual birthday gift

1:04:32

for you and your son. Right. He gets it he gets it on weekends, you got

1:04:34

it. I mean, I was definitely the one leaning

1:04:36

towards yes, because it is good. But

1:04:42

honey -- Yeah. -- my wife

1:04:44

is like, that is the flight back home.

1:04:47

So, no. Yeah. But

1:04:49

honey, it'd be an heirloom. Oh, man.

1:04:52

So I do I do wanna throw a

1:04:54

quick shout out since this is

1:04:56

now media. She hulk

1:04:59

last night.

1:05:00

the If

1:05:02

you are a fan of the old daredevil

1:05:04

series, you're definitely gonna love She I it

1:05:06

it made my week. I had one of the worst weeks I've had since my stroke.

1:05:08

And it was it it completely erased

1:05:11

my terrible week because I was just so

1:05:13

happy to see Matt Murdoch

1:05:15

back. Yeah. I I'm so happy. We had

1:05:18

finished recording, and I guess I beat you to

1:05:20

the TV, and I just started watching it, and

1:05:22

I just texted you immediately. Like, go put it

1:05:24

on now. Yep. And

1:05:26

and as and when you send it to me was

1:05:28

right when the the d plus was coming up

1:05:30

on the screen. I'm like, I'm boating buddy. I'm

1:05:32

boating. I'm

1:05:34

getting there. I have I have a farther commute than you do

1:05:36

from when we're done recording to the TV. So

1:05:38

That's okay, Drew. I only have to go down three stories

1:05:40

you had to get in your car.

1:05:43

the Yep. But Oh, okay. Yeah. It's

1:05:45

another one. I'm I'm one episode in and but

1:05:47

which I enjoyed. But there's as you guys

1:05:49

say, there's just so much to

1:05:51

watch right now. It's called It's hard

1:05:53

to schedule the tunnel. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you want some more stuff

1:05:55

to take up your time, I do have a couple

1:05:57

new podcasts that I'm listening to. I get the

1:06:00

Langley files

1:06:02

to see CIA Podcast. I thought it was strange that the

1:06:04

CIA now has an official podcast. I

1:06:06

thought that lots of

1:06:08

people have in saying that.

1:06:10

Yeah. See, I'll say the joke on

1:06:12

our discord channel, Dave, is how can it be

1:06:14

real if you're not hosting

1:06:16

it? Yes.

1:06:18

Stay tuned. The other the other

1:06:20

thing with it is from everyone

1:06:23

at the CIA will

1:06:25

be seeing you. Is there

1:06:27

is there their closing line? And I'm

1:06:30

like, that's kinda creepy.

1:06:33

Come on, guys. Why

1:06:34

don't you I get it.

1:06:37

The the organization's mystique. Yeah. So

1:06:39

here's one I'll give you a

1:06:41

little tidbit, a little bit of advice

1:06:44

about the CIA from folks I know who have been in

1:06:46

the CIA to save yourself a

1:06:48

little bit of i roll or whatever.

1:06:51

what do you call someone who is in the CIA?

1:06:54

What is what is their

1:06:56

position?

1:06:56

So my friend is

1:06:59

a CIA. What? The other nine agents

1:07:01

books. Right? Well, no. I mean, special

1:07:04

agents are are FBI. Right.

1:07:06

CI air officers,

1:07:07

aren't they? Correct.

1:07:09

Okay. And CIA the the

1:07:11

folks in the CIA get their

1:07:14

hackles up when you call them agents

1:07:16

because people quite often say, you're

1:07:18

a CIA agent and that it's kinda

1:07:20

like that that scene in the top gun

1:07:22

when she says, oh, you're a pilot and he's

1:07:24

like, I'm a naval aviator. It's

1:07:26

the same sort of thing with the CIA. They are

1:07:29

officers. They are not agents. FBI

1:07:31

is agents. CIA is

1:07:34

officers. If you want the respect of your friendly neighborhood

1:07:36

CIA officer, get it right. Okay.

1:07:38

And I think I think FBI people hate

1:07:40

it when you call them agents, aren't they don't they have

1:07:42

to be referred to special

1:07:45

agents? That's

1:07:46

an interesting question.

1:07:48

I don't know. I I

1:07:51

that's a

1:07:51

good I'll have to ask. I know actually, I

1:07:54

know the I went to high school with the special

1:07:56

agent in charge of the Baltimore field

1:07:58

office of the

1:07:59

FBI. True. Friends it.

1:08:02

Yeah. Would you like some grape or

1:08:04

palm? And well, it's great. I

1:08:05

mean, this guy and he's

1:08:08

exactly the guy from your high

1:08:10

school who you think would grow up to be a special

1:08:12

agent in charge of the FBI. And I'm

1:08:14

glad he's there because he's exactly that guy who I would

1:08:16

want in that position. But I don't

1:08:18

know. That's a good question. Are they

1:08:21

just agents or are they all special

1:08:23

agents? I don't know. I don't know. Up here only have mounties. Yes.

1:08:27

Yes. The

1:08:30

land of Dudley right they look dapper dress uniforms

1:08:32

for sure. I got

1:08:35

another podcast called

1:08:36

Griftonomics. This is

1:08:39

this one comes from Jackson

1:08:42

Palmer, not to be confused with Palmer Lucky, which is what I did at

1:08:43

the the beginning when I first saw that. I'm like,

1:08:45

oh, Palmer Lucky was

1:08:48

kind of He's

1:08:50

kind of a scumbag. Yeah. That's

1:08:52

what I'm gonna call. Yeah. He's he

1:08:54

he but he he invented the

1:08:57

oculus or what became, you know,

1:08:59

meta you know, the meta headset now sold it to them. But

1:09:01

he does a lot of work with, you

1:09:03

know, the government doing

1:09:04

drones and stuff for border

1:09:06

patrol and stuff like that. that

1:09:09

I'm not a real fan of. Jackson Palmer was the co creator of Dogecoin

1:09:11

who hates crypto.

1:09:14

who hates crypto So

1:09:16

I'm I'm I'm all on team.

1:09:18

I'm all on his team right now. Okay. And he's

1:09:19

got a really good podcast.

1:09:20

I've listened to

1:09:23

a couple episodes The the latest

1:09:26

one was the canceled culture con with Caitlyn Burns, who is a trans reporter.

1:09:28

It was

1:09:32

really good. There was another one

1:09:34

I believe with what's her name again? Molly

1:09:36

her name again molly

1:09:39

Molly White. I think it was the first episode. Smolly

1:09:41

White from the web three is

1:09:43

going great website. It

1:09:45

was also a a

1:09:48

great episode. but it's a well done show.

1:09:50

It's enjoyable. I recommend it. So What is the show's thesis statement?

1:09:53

What why

1:09:56

why Griftonomics? We're living

1:09:56

in a time where a JPEG can sell for a

1:09:58

million dollars. Celebrities openly endorse posse schemes and when you've invented and

1:10:01

what you've and when what you've invented, I can

1:10:03

read meet me read pretty

1:10:06

one day. When what you've invented doesn't

1:10:08

matter nearly as much as what you say

1:10:10

you've invented, as snake oil increasingly becomes our

1:10:12

new currency regulators and lawmakers are asleep

1:10:14

at the wheel while pay to play journalist pump out puff pieces from their slurp juice induced

1:10:20

hangover. Joyce, as we explore the

1:10:22

dizzying, unending roster of these twenty twenties era racquets. Welcome to the

1:10:27

age of Grifdomics. Oh, I'm

1:10:28

glad I asked. Yes. I'm glad I had

1:10:30

that open. I'm just gonna write, soft the top

1:10:33

of your head. Yeah. Let me pull

1:10:35

that out of my head. The

1:10:38

stroke has not slowed you down. Mhmm.

1:10:40

Yeah. I will check that out.

1:10:42

That sounds good. And actually,

1:10:45

the cancer culture con seems like something

1:10:47

I would be interested in. I

1:10:49

know some folks who have

1:10:51

fallen

1:10:51

what I would call

1:10:54

unfair victim to that trend in our culture

1:10:56

right now. So, yeah, I'll check that out. Yeah. And

1:10:58

they're also they also talk about how people

1:11:01

claim they've been canceled. just to be able to have

1:11:03

a a comeback. You know? It's like, oh,

1:11:06

I'm being quick. Help help. I'm being

1:11:08

repressed. Right. Yep. Right. Of

1:11:10

course. Of course. So that's, you know, that's part of it as

1:11:12

well. But it it is a great episode. I

1:11:14

listened to it this morning. So

1:11:15

two new two new pockets like

1:11:17

the Langley Files. I'll

1:11:18

keep listening to it. It's it's okay. It's not, you

1:11:20

know, fantastic because you don't host it, Dave, you know.

1:11:22

What's the what's you take over? I'm

1:11:24

all in. But for now,

1:11:26

it'll be a casual Yeah. We'll see.

1:11:29

We'll see. I don't know. Seems like it could be

1:11:31

a show that could fit into the

1:11:33

cyberwire podcast network, but

1:11:35

you never know. So I

1:11:37

know you guys were talking earlier about Spotify

1:11:40

and them cutting back

1:11:42

on some of their shows

1:11:44

and so

1:11:46

on and so forth. Yep. Yep. This

1:11:49

is a story about Spotify

1:11:51

acquiring a firm that

1:11:53

detects harmful content We hit the button and it

1:11:55

keeps coming back

1:11:58

with

1:11:59

Joe Rogen. So

1:12:02

this is really just kind of a little

1:12:05

blurb from Reuters, but

1:12:07

they have acquired a

1:12:09

company called Kinzen which I'm sure

1:12:11

uses some kind of automation that doesn't

1:12:13

really lay it out exactly what's going

1:12:15

on here. But evidently, it's a

1:12:17

tool that helps detect harmful content.

1:12:20

So I'm guessing they're using some kind

1:12:22

of natural language processing and that sort of

1:12:24

thing. I don't

1:12:26

know. Sometimes I wonder if like this are mostly about PR or

1:12:30

cover or

1:12:33

Like, what what are they

1:12:34

what are they really gonna do? You know, they're gonna get like, just just

1:12:36

a a red

1:12:39

phone start blinking on on

1:12:41

the CEO Spotify's desk and the AI has detected that Joe Hogan

1:12:43

has gone off the rails again and then what? No.

1:12:45

They use it to find new shows

1:12:47

that they can buy. That's

1:12:50

what

1:12:50

they usually look for. There you

1:12:52

go. Right. You say harmful content like

1:12:55

it's a bad thing. Yeah. We

1:12:57

we see that as

1:12:59

a big opportunity. pink and cheese. Yeah.

1:13:02

Jason, you're right. I yes.

1:13:05

You're you're

1:13:08

yes. Yes. I think you

1:13:10

have unlocked what exactly could

1:13:13

be going on here.

1:13:15

The funny thing is most of this technology, we could write probably

1:13:17

in a weekend with existing APIs

1:13:19

because all you do is

1:13:21

you take like, all the audio that's coming through your

1:13:24

system, run it through a

1:13:25

transcription service, and run it through a

1:13:27

word filter. You don't need

1:13:30

specialized AI, you can just kind of figure this out

1:13:32

on the fly with, you know,

1:13:34

existing tools. So

1:13:35

this is is our fault for not

1:13:37

making it a gas. Damn it. Yeah. And I'd also I mean, I

1:13:39

don't know how they're planning on implement implementing this,

1:13:42

but it seems like nothing

1:13:45

is going to be faster than your

1:13:47

listeners that letting you know when you have controversial contact contents. Sure. Let me tell you

1:13:49

on behalf of everyone on

1:13:52

this show, That

1:13:56

is so. That is the way it works. Right? There

1:13:58

are people who are at the ready. They are

1:13:59

they are ready to hit

1:14:02

that send button. Their fingers are are sprung tightly and ready to go. The

1:14:04

audience is gonna be faster for sure.

1:14:06

Can this give you, like, a heads

1:14:10

up on, you know, possible shows that maybe aren't on your platform,

1:14:12

that you may want to de platform.

1:14:14

I don't know. lost Jason. Yeah.

1:14:16

I'm here. It's always a relief

1:14:18

when it's not us, isn't it? I'm still

1:14:21

here. Okay. you are. Well, I

1:14:23

never went anywhere. I can't

1:14:25

hear you the

1:14:28

whole time. So

1:14:30

we'll

1:14:30

leave that in. Thank you. Now I

1:14:33

lost my

1:14:35

train of thought, anyway, this

1:14:37

will be interesting to see what they do. I

1:14:39

just think it's funny that Spotify has a head of trust and safety Well, again, to Jirroga Dave's

1:14:41

point, you've gotta -- Yeah. --

1:14:44

you've gotta to

1:14:46

have that to say that you've got it. Right?

1:14:48

You could point well, we -- Right. --

1:14:50

we have

1:14:51

somebody on the job. Yeah. Yeah.

1:14:53

Yeah.

1:14:54

I have another article in here that's been getting a lot of tension among

1:14:57

cybersecurity professionals,

1:15:00

especially CISOs. chief

1:15:03

information security officers. You guys

1:15:05

probably saw the news that the

1:15:07

former CISO at Uber,

1:15:09

Joe Sullivan, was found guilty over

1:15:12

a data breach cover up. He

1:15:14

could be facing up to eight

1:15:16

years in prison. they doubt he

1:15:18

will get that, but that's the maximum that he could get. Right. What's really

1:15:24

So so this is a classic case of

1:15:26

the cover up being worse than the crime. Right?

1:15:31

that's what

1:15:31

they're going after him for, that they

1:15:34

kept this from

1:15:35

for so long. I think

1:15:37

it was about a year that they

1:15:39

according to the prosecutors, they

1:15:43

at Uber, they deliberately

1:15:45

kept the information about

1:15:48

the breach away from prosecutors

1:15:50

and even lied to them obstructing the the justice there. So

1:15:56

there

1:15:57

are folks in InfoSec who

1:15:58

are saying, this will be a this means it's a terrible time to be a CISO.

1:16:00

If CISOs can

1:16:03

be held accountable none

1:16:05

of the other executives at Uber were on the hook for this. How are you

1:16:07

gonna get people to for this be

1:16:12

CISOs? And the counter to that is,

1:16:14

well, if you're a CSO, go ahead and be a CSO, but don't try to cover up

1:16:17

things.

1:16:17

Don't do

1:16:20

illegal things. Yeah. Don't do bad shit.

1:16:22

Yeah. Do your job and don't do illegal things. It kinda makes sense to

1:16:24

me. Right. See

1:16:27

the

1:16:27

problem here. Yep. Right? It's

1:16:29

it's interesting that Joe Sullivan before this, he was a

1:16:31

federal prosecutor. So He

1:16:35

should know better. Well,

1:16:37

exactly. Exactly. And who knows all the details and pressure he was under or whatever, and

1:16:39

I'm certainly not trying to make excuses

1:16:41

for him. My my point is

1:16:44

just that Often,

1:16:46

there's a lot more nuance to these sorts

1:16:48

of things than makes it into the

1:16:50

the stories about it. yeah, seems to

1:16:52

me like you should have known better. Yep.

1:16:55

Yep. It's

1:16:55

just sad that, you know, Calin looked didn't get

1:16:57

any blowback from this because that's

1:16:59

been great. But

1:17:02

Yeah. This last thing I put in the

1:17:04

show notes here. I came

1:17:06

across a clip of Orson

1:17:09

Wells on the Tonight Show

1:17:11

with Johnny Carson from nineteen seventy six.

1:17:13

So a long time ago, in Galaxy,

1:17:15

far, far away, I

1:17:19

am fascinated by these old talk show segments.

1:17:21

And if you haven't ever checked

1:17:23

them out, particularly this

1:17:26

era in the seventies I

1:17:28

think it's fair to say Johnny Carson was

1:17:30

at the peak of his powers, of his influence, and talk shows were very different than

1:17:34

they are today. It wasn't so much about coming on

1:17:36

to promote your movie. Yes, they did

1:17:38

that, but the conversations weren't nearly

1:17:41

as scripted as they are today. The the

1:17:43

hosts weren't as fawning as they are today and and

1:17:45

so on and so forth. And you could

1:17:47

smoke. Yes. That's that

1:17:51

is also noteworthy. Everyone smoked, including

1:17:53

the host. Jesse Clarksons smoked his way through

1:17:55

so many episodes of

1:17:58

the tonight show. So Orson Wells, of course,

1:18:00

the Great Orson Wells, and

1:18:02

Johnny Carson are having this

1:18:06

conversation about old time radio before television. And

1:18:09

they make some great

1:18:11

points about radio being

1:18:13

larger than life, and

1:18:16

and that that radio was

1:18:18

the widest of wide screens because it could fill your mind and the theater imagination.

1:18:23

yeah Yeah. and they quoted May West who

1:18:25

would have been recently on the The Cabot show, and

1:18:27

she said she never wanted

1:18:30

to be on television because

1:18:32

didn't want to be on a medium

1:18:34

where anything was smaller than life. She only wanted to be larger than life. And

1:18:36

I think it's interesting. So

1:18:39

I have a link to

1:18:42

where this part of the conversation starts up.

1:18:44

If you stick with it and watch through the

1:18:46

end, there's some other interesting things they say

1:18:49

about people's attention span when listening to audio

1:18:51

that the way that that you that you pay attention

1:18:53

to audio is different than

1:18:56

video, how audio demands your attention

1:18:58

in a way that television does not.

1:19:00

So So it's an

1:19:02

old timey trip back, but I think it's interesting when you think about it

1:19:07

the way that I think audio has

1:19:10

had a resurgence thanks to podcasts, and it really is the

1:19:12

that old theater

1:19:15

of the mind. and certainly I mean,

1:19:17

Orson Wells or the Worlds, he kind of invented that. Yeah.

1:19:19

He's got he's got a he's

1:19:22

he's got some skin in the

1:19:24

game. on that one. Yeah. This guy

1:19:26

is street cred street cred. Right? Yeah. That's what I have. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. No.

1:19:28

I mean, and that's why I I

1:19:30

originally fell in love with podcasts. I

1:19:34

I just, you know I think they're fantastic. I still

1:19:36

do. That's why I still make them every day for

1:19:38

the most part. Yeah. But the other thing

1:19:41

is you get to listen to Orson Wells' amazing

1:19:43

voice. Yeah. So cool. Can we deep fake that one, please? Can

1:19:45

I have that? Is my Siri? Yes.

1:19:47

Somebody called the cigars

1:19:50

and bourbon and whatever it

1:19:52

was. Just just a wonderful voice.

1:19:54

Yeah. So check it out.

1:19:56

i target up

1:19:59

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about hourly workers who

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temporarily allowed the balance of power to shift to the common

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man. It won't last long

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than the band. Well, yeah, of course.

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No offense. I'm just not a pro rucker. Work for them. Yeah. Lovely people. I was gonna

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I I've

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stand. It's fine. They're good people. Alright.

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I like good people. Speaking of

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good people, we unfortunately lost Loretta

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Lynn this week. She was

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also baller. She was she

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was an amazingly baller woman I

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grew up in the south and I grew up around her. So,

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yeah, that's good country. That's the that's

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the real

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stuff. Mhmm. Yep.

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Coleman is on her. Breaking news, we just

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lost Judy Tinnuda. What -- Which --

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-- anybody in RLH

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Group remembers the accordion

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playing comedian? Oh, no. She

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had a lot of big stints

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on MTV. She passed away

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at seventy two. Oh. The

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the URL for for you

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know, all the Google

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searches says seventy three. So seven

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two

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seventy three. I don't know. Whatever.

1:23:04

Something like that. Well, she was born November

1:23:06

seventh nineteen forty nine in Oak Park, Illinois. So

1:23:08

-- Mhmm. -- very fun. Yeah. I I remember really enjoying her

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when I was a kid. Oh, she was great. She

1:23:13

was

1:23:13

totally great. That's

1:23:15

too bad. Yeah.

1:23:16

Yeah. Well, we

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