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Grumpy

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Old Geeks, a weekly talk show

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hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFillippo,

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discussing my points of what went wrong

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on the Internet and who's to blame.

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Welcome to Grumpy Geek Zone Jason to

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Philip O. Hey, I'm Brian Schulmeister.

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Sorry about last Geeks, Brian.

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Yeah. Don't apologize to me. I I enjoyed

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the week off. I'm sure you did, but thank

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you to everybody who wrote in, because

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good God. I think those those are a

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lot of well wishers, so thank you all very much.

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I can't I couldn't keep up with everybody. But

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yeah. No. It was a bad couple

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Geeks, but on the mend. And seeing

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the doctors and the therapists and all the people I

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need to see, believe it or not. if

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you don't have a plan. You have

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a plan. There's a plan in place and you're sticking

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to it. And I'm not a Cylon. So

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Yeah. Hopefully, better ending.

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Exactly. Yeah. Don't

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make me throw bottle of whiskey in the TV, Jason.

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I won't. I won't. But

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what really sucked is, you know, clean

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it up, sober, healthy, getting

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everything back in line, get my numbers all

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right. And then, of course, yesterday, I go to Whole

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Foods and have a salad and get food poisoning.

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straight out of the gate. I'm just like, diabetes. I

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know. Damn you, Bezos.

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But part of my therapy talking to

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my doctors in stuff. And it's

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it's half the therapists and half just me being

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fucking fed up. No more socials.

1:29

I closed out my Twitter account. I locked it, made

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it private, and tweaked, deleted everything, and

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just kinda, you know, shuttered it for now just to see

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how things are gonna go, which we'll get into very shortly

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in the news. And

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I have two thoughts about that. I have two

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thoughts about that, Jason. Yeah. Go for it.

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First off, but well, thanks for leaving

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me with the bag. because that means I'm the one that has

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to fucking monitor this shit. And

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secondly, I I actually think that's a fucking great

1:55

idea. I I could reliably

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tell your mental state by what

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was

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what you were doing on Twitter. The

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more you tweet the more you tweeted, the

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worse I knew you were. Yeah. hundred percent.

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Pretty much it was out of doubt. Yeah.

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No. That was that

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was it, you know. you have sustained panic

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attacks for a couple Geeks running, then

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your starts to spin out of control. So I thought,

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hey, let's just stop that in its tracks.

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Oh, wait. That's good. Yeah.

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Yeah. But you know what I think? It's nice.

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It's so nice. Yeah. It's

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a it's it's a good thing and and

2:29

I always get frustrated. And I think I I think

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I even used it as the meme for one of our

2:33

one of our posts two weeks

2:35

ago since that was our last episode. It

2:38

was the the kid with the stressed out fucking,

2:40

like, lines showing up in his face he's sweating.

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And it's like, when you're trying to take a social media

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detox, but your job is being on social media.

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I think what we're gonna do is a

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policy now, especially since

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if you're exiting social media. And

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and I do remember even a couple weeks

2:55

ago, somebody got narky with me. Like,

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they sent, like, a DM on Instagram and

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then, like, we didn't respond and they were

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pissed off at us. And I was, like,

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I can't fucking monitor all these things

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all the time for every and by the way, you just

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shared a fucking meme that everybody seven

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thousand times. I have to comment on that. I

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think the policy for us from

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now on on social media is

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if people write to us, great.

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I'll say thank you. If you wanna engage with

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us, come to our discord channel. and a story.

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And if you really wanna send us a note, sign

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up for a Patreon account, and we will talk to

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you all day long. Yeah. Yeah. There you go.

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I I just I I just If if

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you're out completely because I KanyAI relied

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on you to to do the bulk of

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responses on Twitter. If you're out, IIIII

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don't have the bandwidth or the

3:40

patience to deal with that. So, yeah,

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I don't think we don't yeah.

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We get paid to do a podcast. We don't get paid

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to troll social media. So -- Yep. And

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we and we've got our discord. Yeah.

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And and discord is for the engagement.

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Yeah. I I love everybody on a discord channel

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for most of them. But, yeah, it's

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that's the easiest way to do it.

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And I gotta tell you just so much more time.

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It's so weird though. It's just that that that thing where

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it's like something happens to you and you just wanna

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tell somebody, and then you're like, oh, well,

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I don't have Twitter anymore. So what am I gonna do? I

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guess I'll just go back to doing what I was gonna do and

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enjoy it. You know? like

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we used to do in the old days. Mhmm.

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And and this this was really fun. I thought you

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get a kick out of this, like, two weekends ago.

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My friend had one of his buddies in

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from Mainland China who's

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like a big super

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dinged dong tech guy over there. And he he

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gave me a tour of the mega apps

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in China -- Yeah. -- you know, like

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the the big boys. the one app

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that goes everything. Payments, food,

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rides, chat. DMV?

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The d's got they've got the DMV in there.

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like Well, this is this is Musk's wet dream.

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This is what he thinks he's gonna turn Twitter

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into when he removes himself from the pile of

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debt that he's put himself in. Well, see,

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the problem with it is, and and my friend

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laid this out very clearly, and this is why

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all the millionaires are leaving China

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right now. all of that shit

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is state you know, guy has the state's

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fingers in everything. Yes.

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They suck you. Yes. Having

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one app where everything is

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that the state, who is, you know,

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obviously not a fan of its citizens, can

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track and also turn off

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You are in a you're in an episode of Black Mirror right

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there. Well And as we've said

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seven gazillion times on this podcast,

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the only difference between China and

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the western world. It's in China. It's the

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government. And in the western world, it's the corporations.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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She equals Zuckerberg about

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it. Yeah. So it was it was just

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really terrifying to see, like, how much how

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much they put into these things. And

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he's like, oh, it's great until it's not.

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You know? Everything is fantastic.

5:44

Everything's Until you have a differing opinion

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from the government. Exactly. Exactly.

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But, hey, that's why all the millionaires are leaving

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because they -- Yeah. -- they have the means, so they're

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gonna GTFO. Yep.

5:55

Yep. It's a good way to destroy your economy

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and brain drain, and many

5:59

other things. So a lot can change

6:01

in two obviously. Two

6:04

weeks ago, when we lasted our show, I was

6:06

discussing the San Francisco petition

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from the police to use robots as a deadly

6:11

force option, and how dystopian and

6:13

messed up that would be. One

6:15

week ago, when we didn't do a show, they

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had approved it. Yeah. And we

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had we had deadly killer robots roaming

6:21

the streets to San Francisco picking up bamboo

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with bombs. Yeah. That is a blow

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up bamboo. Iron

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hole. But in the week

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since then, it has been banned in a

6:32

drastic u-turn because basically the

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entire universe went up and said,

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oh, what? Yeah. That's a

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bad idea. And so

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they yeah. They don't get to use their

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robots to kill people anymore. Good.

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That's that's the way it should be. I

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agree. Yeah. I

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think we're all in agreement except for

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the the few people who voted for

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this I'm saying in the San Francisco Police Department,

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which very much wants to use robots to kill its

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citizens. And Oakland PD,

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and New York City, and everybody

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else. And the cops just like killing

7:03

people. I think that's the I think that's the

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through line. Who knew iceke? iced tea

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had it right all those many years ago? There was that

7:09

ice cube. I can't remember. I get

7:11

them confused. I get them confused. But you know where they

7:13

did need those, Uvalde. That's

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where they really needed killer robots because

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sure. So the cops didn't do anything. Well, I think that

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was my point two weeks Geeks, which

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which is, you know, if the cops aren't gonna do

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their job, I guess we shouldn't just turn it over to the

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robots. Yep. Yep.

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My friend Joey sent this one to

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me, and I just thought it was

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hilarious. Who said it? Kanye

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or Hitler, And it's a it's a stand

7:36

up gig from Garfunkel and oats that's

7:38

thirteen years old and it's

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hilarious. I can't say the signs

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haven't been there.

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In the news.

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Well, of this is a bit outdated except

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it's not because nothing's really changed in the

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last week, so

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we'll go ahead and just run through them quickly.

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Quibble sent this one. And

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I'm sure you guys have seen the story, but I'd like to get your

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take on it. Where's Twitter gonna be in a year

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or two? And this is a

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Chinese bots and mandate Twitter with pornographic

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spam amid COVID pro protests.

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So there have been all the zero COVID

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protests in China. People

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standing up and saying they've had enough of this and

8:17

then you know, they're

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behind the big walls. So it's very difficult

8:21

to find out what's going on except

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for local activists using Twitter through

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VPNs to avoid a Chinese government

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sensor chips. So that's been coming

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through Twitter, but the Chinese government

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has flooded Twitter with porn

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and spam and using the same hashtags and

8:36

basically diluting all the real content

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with their crap. And of course,

8:40

you know, there's nobody over Twitter

8:43

paying attention to this stuff anymore.

8:45

Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. There you go.

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Sam is just cluttering results everywhere

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since nobody cares. The other

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thing that they've stopped doing as we've

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see the COVID-nineteen numbers

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rise again, they've stopped enforcing their

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COVID-nineteen misinformation policies.

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So have added people misinformation

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about COVID-nineteen. Totally okay

9:05

on Twitter again now. Yep.

9:07

Yep. Oh, god. And

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after that, we've also got a

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Twitter data leak, which is exposed over five

9:14

point four million accounts. The

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really fun thing about this one is the people

9:18

that started to report it on Twitter

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had their accounts blocked.

9:23

Nice. sound. Oh

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my god. It is dude, it's

9:28

yeah. Twitter's just going great. Just

9:30

going great. Everything's going great

9:32

over there. Yep.

9:34

Yep. And so now the Twitter's

9:36

janitors are on strike as well

9:38

because they obviously didn't like

9:40

the sync that Elon brought in.

9:42

Yeah. Seriously. We're not watching that one

9:44

too. Come on. Yeah.

9:47

So there's there's some contract

9:50

negotiations that's going on because they're

9:52

supposed to be able to like, when a when an

9:54

ownership has changed for a a

9:56

contractor and all the stuff with the

9:58

supposed to be ninety days whenever they get there. Yeah.

10:01

Yeah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. So just I

10:03

just put this in here because to go back to

10:05

Quibbles question, where where you see

10:07

Twitter in in a year or two, literally

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up shit creek. It's

10:12

hard to see any good outcome. anymore.

10:14

It really is. They're not paying

10:17

people. They're moving

10:19

in beds. They're turning it

10:21

into a hotel. Well, they've

10:23

said they've quite literally turned it into

10:25

slave labor. The people that are still working there

10:27

are the people on the on on the Yeah. The

10:29

H1B visa, the H2B

10:31

visas, and they can't leave. Anybody else

10:34

anybody that could leave has

10:36

left. Yep. Or we're

10:38

fired. Or we're fired. So

10:40

it's it's just a mess. You couldn't have left

10:42

it a better time, Jason. That's what I'm

10:44

saying. I know. And and the other thing that

10:46

made it really easy too, I was like, I checked out

10:48

Mastodon. I'm, like, no. And then I got the thing

10:50

from post, like, post news. They let me in

10:52

and I looked at it. I'm, like, no. I logged on to

10:54

my side. I was, like, I don't need this. I don't

10:56

wanna do this again. I've been I've been down this

10:58

road. My heart's been broken too many times.

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And ain't nobody got time for that. I got a business

11:02

to run, you know? So

11:04

I'm just I'm done with it, man. It has

11:06

been it has been much nicer for the past week or so

11:08

that I've been off. So just telling

11:10

you, to Elon's making it really

11:12

easy making it really easy.

11:14

Wanna hear about another thing he's fucking up in a

11:16

completely different company? Oh, please

11:18

do. Tell me. Do let us

11:20

let us not forget, he is also CEO of

11:22

NuroLink. I forgot he was actually CEO

11:24

of that dumpster fire.

11:26

Well, he still is, and he said they

11:28

have their big thing, the big event,

11:30

and he says they expect human trials

11:32

within six months. I bet they're all gonna be on

11:34

h one visas. That's right.

11:36

People do in these human trials. It's been

11:38

six years since Tesla's SpaceX and now

11:40

Twitter CEO Elon Musk co founded

11:42

Brian control interfaces, BCI startup,

11:44

NuroLink. I can't believe it's been six

11:46

years. It's been three years since the company

11:48

first demonstrated its showing machine like

11:50

implantation robot, which

11:52

is straight out of Brazil, Two years

11:54

since the company stuck his technology into the

11:56

heads of pigs in just over nineteen months since

11:58

they did the same to primates an effort that

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allegedly killed fifteen

12:02

out of twenty three test subjects.

12:04

That's news that I didn't hear before.

12:07

Nevertheless, why should that stop him?

12:09

Yep. So --

12:11

Rick Snags. -- they held their third

12:13

show in Teloventa last Wednesday.

12:16

And he said, we think probably in about six

12:18

months we should be able to have a NERLYNX

12:20

in stalled in a human. Yes. It has killed

12:22

fifteen out of twenty three test

12:24

primates, but let's go ahead and stick it in a

12:26

person now. Right? Yeah.

12:28

I think Got it. fast and brave

12:30

things. I think the FDA might have

12:32

something something to say about that. Yeah.

12:34

I don't see this happening. Fannie Tom

12:36

soon. So god. I

12:38

saw this next one over at The

12:40

New York Times. And it just it

12:42

it intrigued me. NFTs on the

12:44

decline elsewhere are embraced by some

12:46

museums. And I'm like, okay,

12:48

I can get that. I can get behind that, you know,

12:50

museums. They just they just wanna have collections of

12:52

what's going on at the time. You know which

12:54

museum this is. The the only museum in

12:56

the world that should have NFTs, Jason,

12:58

and and you live in the same city in which

13:00

it exists. Okay?

13:02

The Museum of Jurassic Technology.

13:04

There we go. You've

13:06

been there. Right? Like, it's amazing. If you're ever

13:08

in LA, you gotta go. Yeah. No. It's fantastic.

13:11

It's fantastic. But the thing

13:13

about this article is you have to

13:15

scroll down about a little

13:17

about halfway. And you get to see

13:19

this photo of Daniel Bernbaum,

13:21

the artistic director of Acute

13:23

Art. And he says, I think we're in a moment of

13:25

transformation, and it has to do with these

13:27

new digital mediums. Well,

13:30

what I what gets me is

13:32

the photograph of this art

13:34

snob, either he's asleep

13:36

in dreaming of electric sheep, but

13:38

it looks like he's gazing longingly

13:40

at the oculus two on the table and he

13:42

wants to fuck it. That's what it

13:44

looks like to me. oh

13:47

Am I wrong? Am I wrong?

13:49

I'm sorry. I've been watching I've been watching The White

13:51

Lotus, so I'm I'm getting we'll talk about that

13:53

in a second. But that just reminded me of a scene in

13:55

there. Just look at it. It's it's wrong.

13:58

It is wrong. Okay.

14:01

Well, there's been more FTX fallout,

14:03

you know. They because

14:05

If if one crypto

14:07

tree falls into forest, it tends to take down all

14:09

the rest of them around it, which is

14:11

exactly what's happened. BlockFi,

14:13

which was a Crypto Lender, has now filed for

14:15

chapter eleven bankruptcy because

14:17

basically they were there's no better

14:19

way to say it. They were given each other reach

14:21

arounds with your money. And

14:24

now that all the money's gone, they're

14:26

dry. Yeah.

14:28

I mean, it all comes down to making fake

14:30

Well, I'd say they were making fake currencies, but they

14:32

were made extra fake currencies.

14:34

And once those all kinda disappeared,

14:36

then everybody's leverage went And

14:38

it's like, it's it is tower

14:41

of dominoes or however you wanna No.

14:44

I I just wanna focus on these

14:46

last three paragraphs and and if they're

14:48

already accountants. that listened to the show,

14:50

I would love a deeper dive

14:52

into this from any of you.

14:54

It noted that recoveries from FTX are

14:56

likely likely to be delayed given the bankruptcy

14:59

process. In addition, Block five says

15:01

as two hundred and fifty six point nine

15:03

million dollars in cash on hand, which should

15:05

provide sufficient efficient liquidity to

15:07

support certain operations during the restructuring

15:09

process, such as paying employee wages and

15:11

continued benefits. In a court filing,

15:13

they estimated that they had more than

15:15

a hundred thousand creditors

15:18

and consolidated

15:21

liabilities between one billion

15:23

and ten billion. So you

15:25

have liabilities of somewhere between

15:27

one and ten billion. Oh, just spitballing.

15:29

Somewhere between one and ten billion. What's

15:31

nine billion amongst friends? But you have

15:33

two hundred and fifty six million dollars in cash

15:35

on hand, which should be sufficient. Yeah.

15:40

Okay? And what the fucking universe of

15:42

these people exist in? The

15:45

brosphere. I

15:48

just wanna slap the shit out of them.

15:50

All of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

15:52

I was actually just talking to

15:54

talk it to a mutual friend of ours about

15:57

the the FTXX

16:00

CEO. Mhmm. And I'm

16:02

like, I, you know,

16:04

this guy really seriously security

16:06

because somebody's gonna kill him. The smartest

16:08

place for that guy to be right now is

16:09

jail. He should he should actually march

16:12

himself to jail for protection. Well, I think he might

16:14

be there very soon. So Yeah. He's

16:16

he's definitely gonna he's gonna get

16:18

per walked. There's no doubt about that. Especially

16:20

if he keeps doing these podcast interviews,

16:22

idiot. Oh, did you see the did you see

16:24

the girl from Alameda? from

16:26

her Tumblr profile a few years

16:29

ago. She was like, you know, she's like, I'm trying to make

16:31

my profile, but I don't know where to put in

16:33

quirky fun personality. Should I

16:35

put that before or after wire

16:37

fraud. And I'm just like, oh my

16:39

god. These people

16:41

were in a different There's no

16:43

shallity. there's there's there's no shame,

16:45

there's no reality at all

16:47

for these people. Well, meta

16:49

has also been hit with a two sixty five

16:51

million dollar fine or million euro

16:53

fine for failing to prevent

16:55

millions of Facebook users, mobile phone numbers,

16:57

and other data from being scrapped and dumped

16:59

online. according to

17:01

the Irish Data Protection Commission.

17:03

So I the

17:05

irony there, of course, being is that's exactly

17:07

how Facebook started. scraping

17:09

information and dumping it back online on

17:11

their own site. That's right.

17:13

Now there's this protect against that,

17:15

but they didn't, and they're in

17:18

trouble again. Yeah. I

17:20

just I don't know how you can stop

17:22

scraping. You know? If you could,

17:24

then we wouldn't have that Well, wait. Hold on.

17:26

Isn't Facebook supposed to be a

17:28

walled garden? Yes.

17:30

Yeah. That that should stop the data

17:33

scraping. Oh, guess not. Guess

17:35

not. Imagine that. And

17:37

DoorDash is laying off around one thousand

17:39

two hundred and fifty corporate employees in

17:42

the latest instance of belt tightening and

17:44

well known tech companies. shocking

17:47

that a food delivery service

17:49

universally hated by both the people

17:52

that use the service and the

17:54

restaurants that they they they take the service from.

17:56

Everybody hates these companies and they're not

17:58

doing well because everybody hates

17:59

these companies and we're no

18:02

longer terrified to go get the food

18:04

ourselves. Speak for

18:04

yourself. The numbers in here in a way you're

18:07

getting bad. So I'm well, I used to

18:09

go down my alley. Good news. Yeah.

18:11

I use DoorDash this Geeks, but here's the upside

18:13

for DoorDash. Now they have twelve hundred and

18:15

fifty new drivers. That's true. They're just

18:17

moving people from the blue colors

18:20

to the where I guess the white collars to the no

18:22

collars. Yeah. The t shirt. Yeah.

18:24

Yeah. T shirt. That's it. Yep. And

18:27

another company, one of

18:29

your favorite Jason. Delivery. Delivery.

18:32

Has left Australia. Basically,

18:34

the chief executive told creditors the food

18:36

delivery company has no viable path

18:38

to profit profitability as

18:41

riders, drivers, restaurant operators, and

18:43

customers await a second creditor's meeting determined

18:45

whether they will see further compensation

18:47

or any money. Uber, are

18:49

you listening? Oh

18:53

my god. III don't know how to do

18:55

Deliveroo in an Australian accent. So,

18:57

I guess, III won't even try it, but we saw

18:59

this comment. Come on. Yes. Of course.

19:01

There's too many of these companies around. There's

19:03

not that much market share.

19:05

as the pandemic ended, except,

19:08

you know, until it comes back. Obviously,

19:11

people could just stop using these services and

19:13

the restaurants hate it because they're

19:15

getting fucked. the consumers tend to hate

19:17

it because they get cold

19:19

foods upside down. Like, it's just

19:21

it's not it's not a viable

19:24

business. Then again, I've been saying that about

19:26

Uber for ten years. Yeah.

19:28

Well, they're eventually gonna run out of money and

19:30

we'll be proven right. But

19:32

these guys, it's like, yeah,

19:34

people look, it was great during

19:36

the pandemic to be able to do this stuff. But Well,

19:38

we didn't have a choice. mostly over now

19:40

and people really wanna get the hell out

19:42

of their house. Yeah.

19:44

Yeah. Definitely. Like, I will walk

19:47

down, like, we're talking it's

19:49

it's fucking cold here. I will

19:51

walk down and get the food. I will get in the car

19:53

and go get the food because all

19:55

these delivery services suck and the charges

19:57

are ridiculous. All of a sudden, I Yeah.

19:59

My bill has doubled now.

20:02

Yeah. And the restaurant's not getting that money.

20:04

Yeah. The driver's not getting the money?

20:07

Who's getting the money? Delivers

20:09

Australian CEO? That's who was getting the

20:11

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I am mostly caught up on the

24:43

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24:45

episode. still decent? Well, the latest

24:47

episode is the finale. So there's only eight. Oh, yeah. Okay.

24:49

So I have not seen the the eighth episode.

24:51

I got up to seven.

24:54

Okay. Well, next week when you

24:56

talk about when you get up to number eight, we'll have a

24:58

chat. Okay. We'll

25:00

have a chat. You know what's gonna happen, Jason?

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because I'm gonna find out that actually

25:04

I was two glasses of wine in and it was the eighth episode and

25:06

I just didn't realize that and

25:08

then I'm gonna come back next week and go, I'm

25:10

really fucking pissed because I

25:12

didn't even realize that that was the that that

25:14

was the end and here we

25:16

are. I think you'll know. I think you'll

25:18

know. Okay. It's It's got a

25:20

definitely interesting ending. So we'll

25:22

we'll have a spoiler laden

25:24

version next week. Well, after the

25:26

two glasses of wine and watching whatever

25:28

episode go to the peripheral. I watched you

25:30

had texted me and said, you really need to watch the

25:32

Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special by texted

25:35

me. second said, I fucking do

25:37

not because I hate the MCU and I could

25:39

care less. But I had been two

25:41

glasses of wine in, so I watched the guardians of the

25:43

Galaxy holiday special. And

25:45

It was thoroughly enjoyable. Totally

25:49

enjoyable. That's true. And sweet and Kevin

25:51

Bacon esque. I

25:53

mean, it just it's I didn't know it existed, and

25:55

I was just bouncing around the

25:59

plex server that our show fan and or

26:02

from It's a plex server in Germany that one of our

26:04

show fans gave me access to. Yes. I think he's

26:06

not in New Zealand, but it

26:08

just happened to show up there. And I'm like,

26:11

what's this? So I hit play and I watched

26:13

it. It it's funny. I pay for Disney plus,

26:15

but I watched it in an illegal stream from

26:17

Germany because it just happened to be on

26:19

my TV. This is the world we live

26:21

in. But this is what cord cutting

26:23

has brought us. Thank you, everyone. I

26:25

thought it was thoroughly

26:27

enjoyable. I love. It was fun. It was a

26:29

lot of fun. And the reason it was

26:31

fun, it focused on two minor

26:33

characters and Kevin Bacon. Yep.

26:35

and it nothing do anything else, and nobody

26:38

cares about anything else. And

26:40

Deadpool didn't show up, and Thor didn't show

26:42

up, and it was Fantastic.

26:44

It was just fun. Yeah. Yep.

26:46

Then I went down

26:48

the Miki Rapid Hole again,

26:50

another documentary. I think I've run I've

26:52

run the well dry on the documentaries with this

26:54

one, Mickey the story of a mouse, which is

26:57

basically the story of Mickey Mouse.

26:59

Any good? Yes. Of course.

27:01

I'm a Disney file. I loved it.

27:04

Definitely, you know, it started with the very beginnings

27:06

of Walt Disney and what Mickey

27:08

mouse was and vaguely racist and

27:10

fucked up and kinda sexist and

27:12

and how Mickey has changed with the times

27:14

as society has changed. It was really cool.

27:17

Very interesting. Cool.

27:18

Very

27:19

cool. And Wednesday.

27:21

I also I was not gonna

27:23

watch Wednesday either, and that was another one that

27:25

you told me I absolutely need to watch.

27:29

I I just watched the episode

27:31

with the big dance, the Oh,

27:33

the dance. Yes. Yeah. That was last

27:35

night's episode. I fucking love this

27:37

show. It's so good. Dude, it

27:40

just it it it gets better all the way up into

27:42

the end. It this is one of those shows that it's

27:44

just a slow bird. and it is one of the

27:46

most well written mysteries that

27:48

I've seen in a long time. It

27:50

is just it's so well done.

27:53

I have nothing bad to say about it. The casting

27:55

is amazing. The acting is amazing.

27:57

The writing is amazing. The

27:59

music guga muck.

28:02

oh, I'm not in a million years

28:04

when I have thought a cramp song would feature

28:06

on a major show. I'm

28:08

watching Guga Muck and she is

28:10

dancing, like, Like, I used to like, my girlfriends used to

28:12

dance when I was fourteen at golf clubs. I

28:14

mean, unbelievably good.

28:16

Like, I love this. It's so

28:18

good. see. Yeah. I

28:20

was I was totally not gonna watch it,

28:22

and then I'm just like, god. Okay. Let's just

28:24

just try one. And then when I

28:27

saw it first thing that came up

28:29

is by Tim Burton. I'm like, well, now I'm interested.

28:32

So I'm like, you had

28:34

me at Tim. And Which is

28:36

actually not something that you can say

28:38

reliably anymore, by the way.

28:40

Tim Willie wants some stinkers recently.

28:42

I'm just he's definitely had

28:44

some stinkers, but I think he has redeemed himself

28:47

with this one because this feels very old school.

28:50

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just getting like I tell you,

28:52

it just keeps getting better and better

28:54

and better. So Yeah. I'm really enjoying it.

28:56

I can't wait to finish it up, and I'm glad to hear

28:58

that there's a season two coming. And yeah.

29:01

Fantastic. yeah. You know, that was that was the

29:03

reason I watched it because it was the the

29:05

news came out that it was the most watched show

29:07

on Netflix and kicked off Stranger

29:09

Things. I'm like, really? well.

29:11

There must be something here. Still haven't

29:13

seen the last Jason, Stranger Things. It

29:15

was good. It was good. Yeah. I got It

29:17

was a stranger at some point. Yeah. They don't.

29:19

The problem is their the episodes are an hour

29:22

and a half long. Yeah. So That's

29:24

the best investment. I don't have that kind

29:27

of thing. Yeah. Anybody attempted it? And

29:30

then then I finally watched one

29:32

episode of this is pop. It's

29:35

a streaming series on

29:37

Netflix. I think there's six or seven episodes

29:39

that kind of delve into

29:41

different aspects of music. and

29:43

I watched the episode called Hale Gritpop because

29:45

I'm a huge Gritpop fan.

29:47

And I've been trying to

29:49

get this Mickey Berini from Lush who

29:51

they actually started a shoegaze. They were kinda lumped

29:53

in with Brit Pop. But, you know,

29:56

whatever. We could argue that all day and all

29:58

night. She'd been talking about it because she has a

29:59

book out. I

30:01

can't get the book here. It's only out in the UK.

30:03

I cannot get the book

30:05

driving me nuts. Anyways, she had

30:07

posted that she was also in this documentaries, so I went

30:09

to go watch it. It's about forty five minutes

30:12

long. I love all this music so

30:14

much. It was great. So I just thoroughly

30:16

enjoyed it. So if you're ever a Brit pop

30:18

fan or into the music at coming that came out of the UK

30:20

in the nineties. This is for you.

30:22

Awesome. Great watch.

30:25

Very cool. And my roommate and

30:27

I watched knives out, the original

30:29

one, because all the hubbub is about

30:31

glass onion right now. Yes. And I

30:33

forgot this was directed by

30:35

Ryan Johnson or or destroyer of

30:37

Star Wars. Yes. Yes. destroyer of

30:39

of all children's hopes and dreams that

30:41

guy. Actually, not any children's of the hopes and dreams because

30:43

-- Oh, yes. -- like the kids like those

30:46

movies. Majority of Old Farts, original

30:48

Star Wars fans dreams. Yes.

30:50

Exactly. Exactly. But I this

30:52

is the second time I've seen this movie, and I love

30:54

it. Every time I've seen it, it's still a

30:56

solid movie. It is I remember watching

30:59

it. didn't want to. My wife wanted

31:01

to. And I was like, alright. Fine. And,

31:03

yeah, it's just really good. Yeah.

31:05

So I'm really looking forward to the next one

31:07

Geeks which It's in

31:09

the theaters now. I hear it's better. Really?

31:13

Yes. Wow. Okay. Well,

31:15

that's a plus. because I

31:17

didn't know how they were gonna make it better because I thought the first

31:19

one was damn near perfect. So

31:22

alright. I'm excited. I'm

31:24

excited. One movie I saw that was

31:26

damn near Not perfect. It was a movie called

31:28

memory, which came across

31:30

my Amazon Prime recommended

31:32

for You Feed. Mhmm. Stars

31:35

Liam Niesen and Guy Pierce, and

31:37

is directed by Martin Campbell,

31:39

who has done movies like casino

31:42

Al and the Mask of Zoro, two of my favorite movies

31:44

of all time. Yeah. He

31:46

has apparently gotten Alzheimer's

31:48

or something because good Lord, this thing was

31:50

a piece of shit. it was

31:53

terrible. For the for

31:55

the star power that they had in

31:57

it, it made no sense half

31:59

the time Continuity was

32:01

terrible. The story was just

32:03

boring. No. They phoned the whole thing in.

32:05

I mean, this was a paycheck for

32:07

these guys. because they certainly weren't in

32:09

it for the art. It was a

32:11

mess. So skip

32:13

memory, now Shaul. Since

32:15

the white load of season two

32:17

is out, I finally went back and started to watch

32:19

season one because I'd never seen it.

32:21

I love season one thoroughly and

32:23

so. So good. Brian

32:25

before I came into record, we just finished episode

32:27

four. So we're we're cooking

32:29

right along, but my God, the music

32:32

is so Good. The

32:34

the the visuals, so good. And then you get

32:36

to the the acting and the

32:38

story. It is amazing. It's just the

32:40

right it's the right touch of quirky

32:42

humor. and weirdness. Like Yeah.

32:44

It's it's really well done. I have not

32:46

Yeah. Like if I like Wes Anderson. Yeah.

32:50

It's like an enjoyable West Anderson.

32:52

Yes. Yeah. So my

32:54

wife is watching season

32:57

two. She's doing

33:00

that while I'm watching Wednesday and all this other

33:02

crap that I watched. And she

33:04

was like, do you want me to wait and watch it

33:06

with? And I was like, dad, just go and let me know

33:08

if it's any good or not. And she's like, So

33:11

I think that

33:13

I think it was a, you know, lightning in

33:15

a bottle with season one. We'll see. Okay.

33:17

because I've heard I've heard mixed reviews. I heard the first episode

33:19

is kinda slow and weird. It starts weird, but

33:21

then it picks up later. But Yeah. See how

33:23

on those seasons? Yeah.

33:25

But the first season was great. Absolutely

33:28

phenomenal. You're gonna enjoy it. Yeah. I

33:30

am I am definitely enjoying it so

33:32

far. And when I was hunkered

33:34

down in bed the other night, I I watched the new Neil

33:36

Brennan blocks, special

33:38

on Netflix. Mhmm. This

33:40

guy is so goddamn smart

33:42

It's ridiculous. I I just I

33:45

love his delivery. I love

33:47

his jokes. They're very well

33:49

thought out. I just I really enjoy

33:52

his work. and I really enjoyed

33:54

this special. Even though it was mostly him

33:56

complaining about, you know, his personality

33:58

traits and things like that, I still there was still a lot

33:59

in there that was really funny. And his

34:02

Chris Rockjoke I I mean, I had to pause because I was laughing

34:04

so hard. I was I was, like, crying. I had

34:06

to get tissues. It's not running out of my nose because that

34:08

that one Chris rock joke was so fucking funny.

34:10

It's it's

34:12

just It hits you a little bit later, but it's good.

34:14

Are you a Neil Brennan fan?

34:17

I've never really seen anything. I

34:19

I've heard the name a few

34:21

times I I know people I've heard you mention him before

34:23

a couple of my other friends have said he's good.

34:25

You know what? I I haven't watched the stand

34:27

up special in ages. Like, I don't mean

34:29

to go back this is when I'm gonna wish

34:31

the search on our GOG dot show site work better because

34:34

you've you've talked about so many stand up

34:36

shows recently

34:38

or, like, with at least within the last year, and I probably

34:41

have not watched any standup. So I need to go back and and

34:43

get on that. Yeah. He has

34:45

his first standup special

34:48

was called three mics, which is really good. This new one's

34:50

called blocks, and this new one's directed

34:53

by Derek Delgado. derek delgado Okay.

34:56

We

34:56

remember him. He did that

34:57

that one crazy special on

35:00

Hulu. He was the magician. He's the

35:02

magician. The magician. Yeah. Yes. That

35:04

was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. He

35:06

directed this. So it's kinda got that same kind

35:08

of feel and vibe to it.

35:10

Okay. But it's really

35:12

good. I really enjoyed it. In our

35:14

search works Geeks on the new

35:16

website. Once we once we got out of

35:18

WordPress and we moved over to pod pages, the search works

35:20

fantastic now. Good. Okay.

35:22

Nobody -- Yeah. -- text nobody tweet

35:24

us about finding something anymore. Search for it. Don't be like that.

35:26

Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Look it

35:28

up. RTFM.

35:30

And and I

35:32

watch a lot of guys grocery games since after after my stroke

35:34

that's, like, every night we watch, like, one or

35:36

two episodes. Mhmm. And we're up to sixty five

35:38

year with diners drive his dives.

35:42

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. And we we went linearly from the

35:44

beginning. because we watched a

35:46

lot of them in quarantine

35:48

when they were doing the G from home,

35:51

which was really fun. But then we got

35:53

to into the show. And I've

35:55

always just had questions about how

35:57

they do the show. And

35:59

I found a fifteen minute video called what the

36:01

cameras don't show you on guys games.

36:03

And it's behind the scenes of how they

36:05

do the show, what they do with the food, all

36:07

the other stuff that I just always had questions about how

36:09

long it takes to do an episode. It's well

36:12

if you're if you're a fan of guys' grocery games, go

36:14

check it out. It's just fun to see how the

36:16

like, how much production goes into that show that you just How's the sausages

36:18

made, Jason? Exactly. Exactly.

36:22

Ups

36:23

and do that.

36:26

Fuck Dropbox. That's all I

36:28

gotta say. I don't

36:29

I don't it's only for years. It's

36:31

a hundred bucks a year

36:33

for that shit. Well, I use

36:35

it everywhere. It is the it is the backbone of my operation. Yeah.

36:38

And it's it has

36:40

worked fantastic. And the great part about

36:42

it is

36:44

I have one machine that has an external hard drive that is always

36:46

syncing my entire Dropbox library,

36:49

which is like two

36:51

point eight terabytes. So it's always in

36:53

sync. So I always have like I can pick it up and I

36:55

have a backup. Well,

36:58

they've got a new change coming.

37:00

with their their new version, you

37:02

cannot pick the location of

37:05

your Dropbox folder anymore. It

37:07

will now go into home, library, cloud

37:10

storage. Great. Easy to

37:12

fucking find.

37:14

Mhmm. But the other thing about it is you cannot use

37:16

external drives anymore. Nice

37:20

bullshit. like bullshit It's

37:22

so lame. And they're saying it's

37:24

it's it's because of a change in

37:26

macOS that they then they're no

37:28

longer being able to do it because it's no

37:30

longer supported by macOS.

37:32

I'm like, Okay. Well, that fucking

37:34

sucks. I I switched over one machine, the

37:36

machine I'm on right now. It is

37:38

kind of seamless because the way they do

37:40

it, but

37:42

The fact that I can't have, you know, an

37:45

external drive is just like, well, damn. That

37:47

really sucks because it's always like

37:49

me hedging my bets against Dropbox

37:52

fallen off the planet. But -- Right. -- I don't know. So I think I'm gonna

37:54

be looking for a new workflow substitute

37:56

at this point, but damn. to

38:01

-- I'm gonna have to get yourself an ass. Okay. -- you got

38:03

one of those allergy. Yeah. But I work

38:05

with people all over California.

38:08

So it's easy for us to just swap and, like, keep the same folders in sync for all

38:10

the clients that we work on. Right. Yeah. And

38:13

it's just so much easier. I

38:15

I mean, probably still do that, but this this whole no

38:18

external hard drive just chaps my dazzle. You know,

38:20

we're just heading back to the days when we need

38:22

to get the we we need to get

38:24

the the wired connection

38:26

into our and we put our servers

38:28

in there again, just like the old Jason.

38:31

Get that TI line. god. We're

38:33

going back to Sci Quest and Zip. That's it.

38:35

I'm just gonna I'm just gonna start shipping it.

38:37

I'm gonna get all the

38:40

x deliver new drivers to just drive around my Zip disks and my

38:42

SkyWest drives. Oh, funny.

38:47

So is that time of the year when

38:49

Spotify releases their their big old

38:51

promotion where you can

38:54

basically showcase all the data that they

38:56

collect on you on everything that you play all throughout the year, except nobody's

38:58

really sharing Spotify's version

39:02

because they twenty year old

39:04

California student created a viral

39:06

Spotify festival poster app that

39:08

is vastly more

39:10

more interesting and more popular than what Spotify actually

39:12

did. Have you seen this? I am

39:14

assuming you have at this point. Yes. I have.

39:16

Yes. It's

39:18

awesome. So twenty year old USC student, Myeloma Modern.

39:20

Thank you very much. Anshai Sabu,

39:22

he made he made this great little thing

39:24

that just

39:26

basically pulls your top, I don't

39:28

know, fifteen or twenty artists and sticks

39:30

them in a in a very coachella

39:32

style festival lineup. And

39:34

everybody loved this thing for about a week and

39:36

a half. and then everybody had done it and it was done. So, you know,

39:38

yep, that's how it goes. Yeah. The way these things

39:40

go, but very fucking clever. So

39:42

well done.

39:44

and Spotify should basically hire the dude. I wonder

39:46

if he used any AI because

39:48

the AI world is getting very

39:51

interesting this Yeah. Yeah.

39:54

I'm I'm actually holding a little

39:56

bit. III have some commentary,

39:58

but I'm gonna hold it for next week. But, yeah,

39:59

go ahead. Let's get into it. Alright. because, I mean, the big things that are out

40:01

right now, the new chat GPT

40:04

came out. Play with it this

40:06

week. It's

40:08

stunningly good. It is.

40:10

Okay. It it actually is,

40:12

like, if we

40:14

were in high school or college right now,

40:17

You'd you'd never need to write

40:19

an essay again. This thing

40:21

writes perfectly for you.

40:24

Journalists almost I wouldn't say journalists are out of business because is

40:26

actually finding the facts and getting the

40:28

interesting information in the scoops. But in

40:30

terms of of actually

40:32

coffee writers, business

40:34

immediately. Done. Yeah. We know

40:36

a couple magazines already that have been using

40:39

GPT three. They put

40:41

in a press release And then basically,

40:43

GPT three rewrites it as an article with

40:45

all the facts from that press release and that shit goes

40:47

out all the time,

40:50

you know. Yeah. So that's unbelievably good.

40:52

Yep. Then next, they comes for

40:54

the real writers, then comes for the

40:56

code, and,

40:58

oh, dear. Yeah. Yeah.

41:02

Yeah. Next next to the

41:04

podcasters. yeah Yeah.

41:06

Okay. You still got a seat at

41:08

You gotta seat it with that line? Yeah. That's all

41:10

about sitting with the line. Remember remember back

41:12

in the day when Google first came

41:15

out and, like, Knowing how to do a Google search was

41:17

a very to, quote, Lea and Nissan, a very

41:20

specific set of

41:22

skills. Yes. It was. That

41:24

was, if you know That's well,

41:26

that's the future right now. It's

41:28

gonna be the very

41:30

specific set of skills to be able to put

41:32

the right seating things

41:34

into these AI into these

41:36

AI systems. Yep. Nope.

41:38

That's some of the some of the great ones

41:40

that people share. And that's what that that's the nice thing about

41:42

mid journey too, is because you can see all the prompts

41:44

that people are giving it, and you can learn from

41:46

those prompts and see what generates what. And

41:49

that part is at least interesting. Yeah. I have

41:51

I have many many things to say

41:53

about a lot of

41:56

this This stuff can mess with your head is what I'm finding out.

41:58

If you look at enough of this

42:00

generative

42:02

AI art, you

42:04

will have nightmares about it because this really is. It's it's it

42:06

is so stuck in the uncanny valley

42:08

so much of the time. it's

42:12

it's like planting itself in your head.

42:14

It's not good. I I don't think it's really

42:16

good for anybody at all. No. III

42:18

think it's really bad right now and people.

42:20

People are getting way too into it. That's the problem. It's hard

42:23

to find somebody that's casually

42:25

into doing this. people

42:27

-- Right. -- are either all the fuck in and they're

42:30

getting warped and insane. Or

42:32

they're just like, I am not paying attention

42:34

to it. I'm not don't even know

42:36

it exists. I I'm very

42:38

envious to those people, or they're just

42:40

like like you and I, which is like we're putting on our

42:42

blinders. Well, no, you you do it.

42:44

I put my blinders on. I'm like, I'm not

42:46

getting into I'm not gonna look. No. I've played with quite a bit of it.

42:48

I I even did some today because I still have

42:50

my midjourney account, so I was playing around with it

42:52

a bit today. My friend Bill Sneebold, he

42:54

does all the

42:56

movie post your stuff. He's a master at it.

42:58

And I wanna I wanna have a conversation

43:00

with him about it because, you know, he's a

43:02

professionally trained

43:04

artist. and he he just seems to spend his entire days on there now.

43:06

And just make some of the most incredible

43:08

stuff, though. III remember and

43:10

I'm sure this translates very well to the

43:13

visual medium, but going back to talking about, like, the

43:15

the the chat bots and the and the writing bots

43:18

that that are out there, the AI systems and the

43:20

one I played with. I was reading an

43:22

article about really

43:24

well known journalist that I really like in respect.

43:26

And he was like, you know what? I I

43:28

write my article. I know it's a writing tool to

43:30

make my writing better. So this is kind of the

43:32

same thing. Just It kinda

43:34

is. Like, it's just

43:36

and again, I wanna get into this a little bit

43:38

more next week when I'm gonna do a hopeful

43:41

and uplifting episode. Oh,

43:42

okay. So it could be a very special

43:43

episode of DOD? So who's

43:46

the guest host? because they can

43:48

be you. It's gonna

43:51

be drunk me. Okay. That's perfect. It's good. We

43:53

can have a ring in the new

43:56

year. Yeah.

43:58

So the next thing that came out

44:00

this week was the big hub up not hub up,

44:02

but the the big push that everybody's doing their

44:04

lens of avatars to make them look

44:07

like a superhero. Yeah. Okay. Whatever. But then people

44:10

figured out it was really easy to make a

44:12

make some naked people from it.

44:14

Yep. I've seen many of those images.

44:18

Yep. Yeah. And I've tried not to, by

44:20

the way. I've tried not

44:22

to, and I can't not see them

44:24

because they're

44:26

everywhere. And I love this title of the headline

44:28

over at TechCrunch. Prisma Labs, maker

44:30

of lens AI, says it's working

44:33

to prevent accidental generation of nudes. Now

44:35

the keyword there is accidental. Okay.

44:37

So a lot of people are doing

44:39

it very much dentedly. You

44:41

have to accidentally go ahead. The

44:44

Prisma Labs teams point out that there are two issues

44:46

here by uploading explicit images. The

44:48

users train a particular and individual

44:50

copy of the model that the company

44:52

claims is deleted once the

44:54

generation is complete, and these images

44:56

cannot be able to train the model

44:58

further. bullshit. In other

45:00

words, if you upload porn

45:02

to make porn, that's kind of on

45:04

you. I'm I'm gonna say if

45:06

you're uploading porn to make porn, Of

45:08

course, it's on them because that's what they wanna do.

45:10

So and LENSA is

45:12

not cheap, you know, because couple bucks a

45:14

month through the app. So Who

45:18

cares? If to them, it's like, okay. This is a

45:20

one off use case. No. I don't

45:22

think it's happening for. Yeah.

45:24

Yeah. Adult's

45:26

gonna adult. Well, and children are gonna adult too because

45:28

let's talk about unstable diffusion for

45:30

a second. Yeah.

45:33

Yeah. These guys. these guys, they

45:35

took stable stable diffusion, which is

45:38

the normal text to image AI. And

45:40

then, yeah, broke it.

45:42

Basically, just broke it so they could make

45:45

the noods. They basically pulled off the restraints.

45:47

Yeah. Yeah. The -- Yeah. -- the the

45:49

the guide rails that were in there, they just

45:51

ripped them right off. Yeah. And

45:53

they're making their own datasets and things

45:55

like that. So there is an

45:58

unstable diffusion Discord group that you can

45:59

join, which I did with

46:02

the research. Okay, Pete Townsend.

46:04

I

46:04

I have unsubscribed

46:06

from the unstable diffusion Discord

46:10

channel about thirty seconds after being on it. I

46:12

looked at it and I'm like, oh, this is just

46:14

fucking nightmare fuel. It is like it is

46:17

just the bits the bits from unstable diffusion that

46:19

have bubbled up far enough into the ecosphere that I would

46:22

actually even see them, which

46:24

is wave higher level than

46:26

you, Jason, because you went straight to the

46:28

source. The bits that have bubbled up just high enough

46:30

for me to see it puts, like,

46:32

fortune it makes fortune look

46:34

like Disneyland. Well, I wouldn't go that

46:36

far, but it's close. It's

46:38

close. I spent a lot of time on B on

46:40

Fortune. I that

46:42

will fuck you up too. I I don't

46:44

recommend that. either. But yeah. This it's

46:46

just it's it's wrong. Everything about

46:48

it is just wrong. Yes. As

46:50

as you said, it's early days, but

46:53

Well, the problem is

46:55

-- Okay. -- the problem

46:57

is, again, it's

47:00

just showing how broken we are as a society right now.

47:02

And and just when these tools go

47:04

into the masses and the masses do not

47:06

give a

47:08

fuck anymore, there's no

47:10

morality and there's no societal,

47:12

there's no no shame anymore

47:14

about anything. Like, no, people are

47:16

proud of this

47:17

shit. Like, well, I hear you hear

47:19

the grandma slapping these people upside

47:22

that. Ain't no

47:24

grandmas anymore. grandma's got

47:26

her own channel. That's where grandma grandma's

47:29

on Twitch. I think a lot

47:31

of these people that are diving like,

47:33

as you said, you know, that these people are going

47:35

all in. I I bet that I could draw a

47:37

very straight line between

47:40

Crypto Bros. to

47:42

NFTs, to generative AI. Well, it's all

47:44

the same thing. It's escapism. It's it's I Yes.

47:46

I'm not the the real world holds

47:49

nothing for me. So I'm going all

47:51

in on this shit. Sad. It's kinda sad. Yeah. It

47:54

is. It is. Yeah. At least in my day,

47:56

we had to learn Photoshop to make

47:58

this stuff. Come on. And

48:00

didn't look that good.

48:02

Well, some of it looked a lot

48:04

better. At least my stuff did,

48:06

but Right. god. I'm I'm

48:08

still thinking of this one image that I saw that I will

48:10

not describe that I need to get

48:12

some brain drain o to get it in

48:14

my head. I really do. And just

48:16

finally, Adobe Stock is going to start

48:18

selling AI generated artwork as long as

48:20

each piece is labeled as

48:22

generative AI. I'm

48:24

assuming there's gonna be

48:26

people curating these,

48:28

but we'll see. Who knows?

48:30

It's a no piece. You never know.

48:33

You know? They probably have an AI looking at

48:35

the AI. No. Oh,

48:38

god. Apple has abandoned their

48:40

plan to check your iOS device and

48:42

iCloud photos for CSAM

48:44

imagery? Well, I mean,

48:46

now you'd have to prove to to come from

48:48

unstable diffusion or is it a real

48:50

photo? Exactly. that's gonna start

48:52

to become very problematic.

48:54

It is. It is. But here's here's

48:56

here's the the upside to

48:59

that though. Maybe these guys will get what they

49:01

need out of the the generative AI and

49:03

stop touching kids. possible

49:06

Possible. Possible.

49:06

Not

49:07

probable. I just said possible. Not

49:10

entirely sure. It's a good solution,

49:12

but Well, it'll

49:14

take it. It's a it's a solution. If if

49:16

it if it's If it stops one kid

49:18

getting touched, then, you know, it's doing its job. Look, here's what I in

49:20

the same way that there are

49:24

maps of people that have gotten in trouble with law for these sorts of things before

49:26

and you can look them up online and it's

49:28

very public. I would love to know if

49:30

the my neighbor happens to have

49:34

on stable diffusion installed in their system. I would

49:36

like to know that very very

49:38

much. Okay. Well, the

49:40

as child? I had

49:42

unstable diffusion installed and I'd

49:44

not No. Not allowed around my child

49:46

anymore. Never been around your

49:49

Not around your child. Your

49:52

wife's like, he's still here. Get him out of

49:54

here. She's the smart one of the

49:56

family, by the way.

49:58

That's true. Apple's new besides the

50:00

CSAM abandonment.

50:02

They're gonna roll out karaoke.

50:04

Didn't see that didn't

50:06

me that when common one coming. Why

50:08

not? I don't know. It's

50:09

gonna make it's gonna make a d

50:12

j's bars gigs a lot

50:14

easier and will be fucking huge

50:16

in Japan. Oh,

50:18

yeah. So why not? Yeah. And

50:20

Korea? And don't forget about it. Not everything

50:22

is for the US marketplace.

50:24

That's true. That's true. because, I mean,

50:26

you can kinda do it right now with the lyrics. They

50:28

do a pretty good job with the lyrics,

50:30

but this new one is definitely

50:32

amped up You can you

50:34

will be able to play it on newer iPhones,

50:36

iPads, and the latest four k

50:38

Apple TV. Nothing for the Mac.

50:40

It's cute. It's a it's a clever little thing. Why not? They can

50:42

do it. It's all all the pieces were there.

50:44

Somebody in somebody over at

50:48

Apple was smart enough to go. Why don't we just offer this as

50:50

a service? Okay. Yep. But I

50:52

think the best part about it though is

50:55

the the level slider. say

50:57

you like, sing along or you can

50:59

go solo, you know. That's that's I

51:02

think that's a a fine choice because

51:04

most of the time you don't want most of those people doing

51:06

karaoke going solo. Not a good

51:08

thing. Very good thing.

51:10

We talked about the Microsoft

51:13

Activision merger many

51:15

times and I think I said many times, I

51:17

can't believe that they're gonna let this thing

51:19

go through. Well, turns out

51:21

the FTC has come around and

51:23

said, No. This probably should not

51:25

go through because it might cause

51:27

customers harm. And as

51:30

a call of duty efficient auto,

51:32

I don't want Microsoft to own it. Yeah.

51:34

because I'm playing on my PS five now.

51:36

Fuck Xbox. We have too many

51:40

massive companies. I

51:42

mean, this could be a whole this is a whole other topic

51:44

about how we're consolidating every single fucking

51:46

thing, and we're just letting, like, five people

51:48

run the entire world. But yeah,

51:51

block this. Of course, block this. Why

51:54

Microsoft make your own fucking games? They

51:56

do. And it's their biggest business unit, you

51:58

know. So so leave it.

52:00

They're good. They're

52:00

good for now. You're fine. Let it go. Yeah. Let

52:02

other companies

52:03

exist. People. Yeah. This thing with

52:05

Activision because, you know, it's

52:08

issues with the old CEO and all

52:10

that shit and -- Yeah. -- I mean,

52:12

there's there's a lot of lot of stuff behind that

52:14

one, but Yeah. I don't

52:16

want I don't want Microsoft to own

52:18

Activision. I mean Microsoft makes fine games. So

52:20

does Activision let them make them

52:22

separately, please? Yes. Nothing wrong

52:24

with that. Speaking of games that I like, I played the

52:26

Tower, Idle Defense Tower.

52:28

It takes a while to get cooking. It's

52:30

definitely so I put it down and came back to it

52:32

a couple because they saw some people

52:34

that were really like, oh my god. If you love Tower

52:36

Defense, you're gonna love this game. And I'm like, I didn't get it at

52:38

first. I did pay for,

52:40

like, the five ninety

52:42

nine bonus to get rid

52:44

of some annoying ads

52:46

and, like, a little coin bonus, so I didn't put a

52:48

lot of money into it. But it took

52:50

me a while to find, like, learn the game and

52:52

figure it out. And now my highest

52:54

level is four hundred and nineteen and it takes about

52:56

an hour to play that one

52:58

game. Now here's the fucked

53:00

up part. I looked at the the rankings for the weekly tournaments,

53:02

and there's somebody that got to, like, level

53:04

fourteen thousand. And I'm like,

53:06

how? How can There's no time in

53:08

the day

53:10

for that? So I don't know. But I get it say I

53:12

mean, it's it's no field runners. It's

53:14

not, like, pretty or anything. It's very

53:16

drawn like.

53:18

You have one single tower and stuff comes at you and you it's resource

53:20

management. It's all about -- It's really a while in

53:22

it. No. No. Sorry. Okay.

53:24

Then it's not drawn like enough for me.

53:28

Yes. But it's good. It's

53:30

it's a fun game if you like tower defense games.

53:32

If you don't like tower defense games, if you're not

53:34

like psycho about tower

53:36

defense games, Don't get it.

53:37

Okay? I won't because

53:39

I'm not.

53:43

That's the library. You

53:46

take a week off Jason and

53:48

I read three books. Oh

53:51

my goodness. along

53:53

with watching all that TV. I know. I

53:55

was I had I had free time

53:57

ever once. Wow.

53:59

It was

53:59

amazing. Anyways, not entirely

54:02

true. I'd been reading Outland, which is

54:04

the first book by Dennis C Taylor,

54:06

author of The Bauberos for quite some time. I

54:08

finally finished

54:09

it. was fine.

54:10

You don't need fun. You

54:11

don't No. You don't. No.

54:12

You don't. It it was fine. Yeah.

54:14

Just go get a

54:15

bug. Go get a bug.

54:17

Yeah. And then, obviously, as you heard

54:20

from media community, I was getting into

54:22

music and the Brit Pop era and all that sort

54:24

of stuff. I found

54:26

out that one of my favorite bands that

54:28

everybody likes to crap on and nobody realizes

54:30

how genius they were. Jesus Jones,

54:32

the lead singer Mike Edwards wrote a

54:34

small little book death threats

54:37

from an eight year old, the story

54:39

of Jesus Jones. I would like to

54:41

say it's not the story of Jesus Jones.

54:43

It's the story of the rapid

54:45

rise and then the equally rapid

54:47

fall of Jesus Jones, but

54:49

it didn't really I

54:51

would have liked to have read a full book. This is probably about a hundred

54:54

pages, hundred and fifty pages or something like that.

54:56

It was a short little thing, but

54:58

really enjoyable. and I I fucking

55:00

love the band and I love that era and loved

55:02

hearing about

55:04

hearing about it. The one thing I will say about

55:06

this if you're one

55:08

of our younger listeners and I know nobody

55:10

really wants to be a musician anymore because

55:12

you can't make any money and it's not

55:14

cool. But if you were thinking about it,

55:16

don't read this book because this is the most depressing book about the music

55:19

industry I've ever read in my entire

55:21

life. Okay. These guys had

55:23

a number one hit the

55:26

entire fucking world. Right

55:28

here right now is still played

55:30

constantly. Yep. There's

55:32

no money. money There's no

55:34

respect. They got dropped.

55:36

The labels fuck them. The papers

55:38

fuck them. Like, you could

55:40

not you would As a as

55:42

a fifteen year old, I would have dreamed of having a

55:45

career like Jesus Jones. And now that I've read

55:47

what it actually was like for the lead

55:49

singer of Jesus Jones, he

55:51

was miserable and hated every second of it and was

55:54

treated like shit constantly. The

55:56

music industry is a fucking

55:58

flaming cesspool. Well,

56:00

yeah, we knew that for a long time. Of course,

56:02

we knew that. But in this book,

56:04

I've never had it spelled out

56:06

so clearly. The only

56:08

reason to read this book is to realize

56:10

how shitty the music industry is and

56:12

is fucking phenomenal at portraying

56:14

that. Alright. as as you I'm

56:16

a huge Jesus Jones fan. So Mhmm.

56:18

Mhmm. And I and I'm not a fan of

56:20

the music industry. So I think I might love

56:23

this book. You will love this book, actually. Okay.

56:25

Yes. I think you would enjoy it

56:27

a lot. Okay. So maybe it's it's it's

56:29

worth reading, but it will

56:31

destroy any any Any passing

56:34

thought that you had that music was glamorous

56:36

and cool and awesome? No. I never had

56:38

that. So No. No. No enough. musicians

56:40

didn't know that. Yeah. And then I was, like, really into the Brit

56:42

pop thing. And basically, I really just wanna get the

56:44

Ricky Brady book from Lush, and I can't

56:46

get it. But I I saw I

56:49

was just, like, okay. Let me go find

56:51

a book about Britpop. And I found the and impact of Britpop,

56:53

misshap, scenesters, and insatiable ones

56:55

by Paul Laird. What

56:58

I should have done, and I think this is

57:00

another case of two glasses of wine when I was

57:02

searching for a book, was look to see

57:04

if Paul there had actually written anything

57:06

else ever. He did

57:08

not. And this is a fucking

57:10

steaming pile of shit. And this is

57:12

basically this guy This

57:16

guy pissed off that people didn't like the

57:18

bands that he liked and the popular bands

57:20

sucked and he didn't like them and fuck

57:22

them. Okay. It's a it

57:24

was a one man, like, it's it must

57:26

have been self published. It's

57:28

a one man grudge against

57:30

thirty years ago that just was

57:32

released now. I'm like, boy, William Shatner from

57:35

Saturday at life came to came to

57:37

mind immediately, get a life Okay.

57:42

Well, pass on that one.

57:44

Yep. I got

57:46

nine Nest words English and the gutter,

57:48

then now and forever by John

57:51

McWarner. Mhmm. I heard about this book

57:53

on Penn Sunday School because it was something very

57:55

interesting that he was saying about how

57:58

swears come from different parts of

58:00

your brain than regular language.

58:02

Mhmm. And I'm like,

58:04

I'm I'm curious about that. And it's a

58:06

fantastic book. It really is a

58:08

fantastic book because it comes from a linguist's point

58:10

of view, not like an

58:12

anthropologist or anything, but it's just it's

58:14

really cool. it is a really cool short little book. I

58:16

think you would dig it for sure. You know what?

58:18

What's really I'm going to definitely read this

58:20

now. The funny thing is I didn't

58:22

read this

58:24

at all. Like I saw that you'd put in some books, but I didn't scan them

58:26

or read through with them at all. Mhmm. And

58:28

I was reading an article today

58:31

maybe it was by this guy. I should go back and

58:34

look that was talking about

58:36

how cuss words and

58:38

curse words universally

58:40

regardless of language and be way

58:42

before, like, it would there were fucking

58:44

planes or anything. We didn't get around. Like,

58:47

these languages were all separate. but universally, cuss

58:49

words use the same consonants. Conversely,

58:52

it's it's just we

58:55

there are certain sounds to the

58:57

words that we use when we're making, when we're cutting, when

58:59

we're pissed, and we're angry, and all that sort of

59:01

stuff. And it's just I

59:04

was just reading the article and I was fascinated by it and I had to give it up because I was

59:06

actually supposed to be working. But I get I

59:09

I'm gonna go back and find the article

59:11

and see if it relates to this since this is a

59:13

book that's out now. But yeah, I wanna read this. Thank you for giving me

59:15

my next book. So it's cool. There you

59:18

go. You

59:20

have it. goblin mode has been chosen as

59:22

Oxford word of the year for twenty twenty two. I

59:24

had never I would like to point out that it's

59:26

two words.

59:28

Yes. I know. That was I was gonna get to that. I was

59:30

definitely gonna get to that.

59:34

Yeah. It's I I

59:36

don't know. I just never

59:38

heard of it before. And had you

59:40

I know her. No. No. Oh, no.

59:42

What's really annoying is metaverse came

59:46

in second in a hashtag, it came in third. So they're really just giving

59:48

up the ghost over there at Oxford.

59:50

Yeah. Word of the year is two

59:52

words, and the third was

59:54

an existent. Yeah.

59:56

Exact yeah. Exactly. So

59:58

okay. There's Okay. But I read through

1:00:01

what goblin mode actually is, and

1:00:03

I I guess it kinda makes sense. I mean,

1:00:05

people, like, that have not really come out

1:00:07

of, like, pandemic and COVID living

1:00:09

and just, like, have basically given up on anything and

1:00:11

they're just sitting there. Also relates directly to

1:00:14

the fucking lunatics that are getting

1:00:16

into all the AI

1:00:18

fucking Barnart. Yeah. The pretty

1:00:20

much rows and all of that. They're all

1:00:22

goblet mode. Unapologetically

1:00:25

self indulgent, lazy, slovenly,

1:00:27

or typically in a way

1:00:29

that rejects social norms expectations that

1:00:32

face all of them. All of them. Yep. The

1:00:34

bit rows, the fucking AI

1:00:36

people, all of

1:00:38

it. Yep. Yep. They're all stuck in goblin mode.

1:00:40

There you go. We Daniel

1:00:42

Suarez has a new book coming out called

1:00:44

critical mass.

1:00:46

Uh-huh. I have preorders. It's

1:00:48

it's the follow-up to a

1:00:50

book. Right? It's the second I

1:00:53

don't know if this is a follow-up.

1:00:54

That's the thing because his last

1:00:57

one was what was it called?

1:00:59

It's called delta v was the last one. Yeah. This

1:01:01

is the this is a sequel to it. because

1:01:03

I was looking for a new book, and

1:01:05

this came up in my feed, and I was about to buy

1:01:07

it until I found out it wasn't available to

1:01:10

be bought. And then I was like, oh, then I was reading through

1:01:12

the thing. It was like, follow-up or the

1:01:14

sequel to Delta v, and I was like Oh, perfect.

1:01:16

Delta v, shit. You don't remember, and

1:01:18

I had to go back into my Amazon account. And I

1:01:20

saw, oh, yes. I didn't read Delta V. It

1:01:22

must have been very memorable. It I

1:01:24

I remembered it was pretty good. Okay.

1:01:28

So I I you know, I'm looking

1:01:30

forward to the sequel. So that'll be good. That'll be good. I'd

1:01:32

have to read the last two chapters

1:01:34

of Delta v first. because

1:01:37

I don't remember shit about it. Yeah. There's definitely gonna need

1:01:39

to be a synopsis somewhere. I need a cliff

1:01:41

notes version first. I can't remember anything we've

1:01:43

read on this show.

1:01:46

And and once once we do the review, I

1:01:48

forget that it has ever existed. So,

1:01:50

like, all the books I read

1:01:54

did book reports on. I couldn't tell you a damn thing. Got a

1:01:56

five on my AP test on

1:02:00

an accordion. and I couldn't tell you

1:02:02

a damn thing about that book, but I got a

1:02:04

five perfect score. Didn't you get

1:02:06

hit by a train at the

1:02:08

end? I do remember

1:02:10

that part. Yes. Yeah. That's all I remember though. I don't think if I wrote

1:02:12

that, I would have gotten a five on my AP

1:02:14

English. Yeah. Spoiler alert, she

1:02:16

gets hit by a train. that I I

1:02:18

heard that on no such thing as a fish because I never read

1:02:20

that

1:02:21

book. I got I

1:02:23

got, like, nine tenths of way

1:02:25

through crime and punishment, and I just couldn't take it anymore.

1:02:27

It wasn't too much punishment. Yeah. It was

1:02:30

way too

1:02:32

much punishment.

1:02:35

security

1:02:38

Security. Welcome to

1:02:40

security. With Dave Bittner. Dave

1:02:42

is the host of the CyberWire podcast. cohost

1:02:45

of the social engineering podcast hacking humans

1:02:47

with Joe Kerrigan. Dave is also the cohost

1:02:49

of caveat with Ben Mellon where they discuss

1:02:51

law and policy and surveillance and privacy.

1:02:54

loop where they discuss ICS and

1:02:56

OT. And I missed time to my breaths. It's

1:02:58

been a while since we did the intro

1:03:00

side. Oh, right? I forgot where

1:03:02

to breathe. Yes. Yes. happens

1:03:04

to the best of us. I I find the

1:03:06

same thing. Mhmm. Well, I

1:03:08

can out of shape athlete. Yeah. Pretty

1:03:12

much. or a little too much liquor store ramen.

1:03:14

I think that's Yeah. Let's start with some breaking news.

1:03:16

When I saw this across my

1:03:20

feed, there is no person in the world I thought of more than you, Dave.

1:03:23

Muppet's Christmas Carol extended

1:03:25

cut is coming to

1:03:27

Disney plus. Now this is something of a legend, apparently, according

1:03:29

to the quirk and the ways in which the

1:03:31

film was released. There is a lost song when

1:03:33

love is gone, which was cut from the

1:03:35

original theatrical run, Put back

1:03:37

into the VHS copy, where it became a

1:03:40

fan favorite, and then was re

1:03:42

cut out again once the Cup at Christmas Carol

1:03:44

hit DVD and streaming. So nobody's

1:03:46

seen this from quite some time unless they still

1:03:48

have a VCR. Mhmm.

1:03:50

But, yeah,

1:03:51

if you hit play,

1:03:53

in Disney

1:03:53

Plus, you will only get the short version

1:03:56

again. You have to go to the extended

1:03:58

features. Right.

1:04:00

You're able to see of

1:04:02

it. Right. Probably because of lawyers,

1:04:04

I'm guessing. Probably. Yeah.

1:04:07

I I have to say,

1:04:09

I think Muppet Christmas Carol is excellent. Mhmm.

1:04:12

I'm a little biased

1:04:14

against it just because it's it's a post

1:04:16

gym era

1:04:18

bit of Muppet tree, and I just can't

1:04:20

help myself. But what I think

1:04:22

really holds Muppet Christmas Carol together

1:04:24

is Michael Kain's performance. Yes.

1:04:28

And because he is completely

1:04:30

dedicated one hundred percent in

1:04:32

play -- He's all in. -- great.

1:04:34

Yuppets are real. Yeah. And he's amazing.

1:04:36

He just plays it. There's no

1:04:39

winking to the camera, and and I

1:04:41

think that's what makes it. That's

1:04:43

what grounds it. So if you

1:04:45

haven't seen it, it's worth checking out. And I know a lot of folks, it's part

1:04:47

of their regular Christmas time rotation

1:04:49

of things we must see up

1:04:51

there with l and die

1:04:53

hard and some of those movies.

1:04:56

Oh, yes. Team die hard.

1:04:58

Agreed. yep Mhmm.

1:05:00

Yep. Mhmm. I I we've it's

1:05:02

been a while since we've been together. So I thought maybe do we wanna do an indoor wrap

1:05:04

up? I I have seen the entire

1:05:08

series. I'm keen to hear your thoughts. Sure?

1:05:10

Yes. Yes. I I'd given up

1:05:12

hope. Yes.

1:05:16

I enjoy hope as a merge, Jesus. Yeah. I was just

1:05:18

waiting for somebody to pick that one

1:05:20

up. Very good. Very nice.

1:05:23

I enjoyed it very much. And

1:05:25

as did my family, I

1:05:27

think

1:05:27

for me, this

1:05:30

is the grown

1:05:31

up Star Wars that I've been hoping for. This

1:05:34

felt

1:05:34

like a series targeting

1:05:37

adults. Mhmm. and

1:05:40

I just I thought it was really well executed.

1:05:42

And it made me wonder, like,

1:05:44

think back on rogue one to how

1:05:46

much was that really targeted towards

1:05:50

adults I think that was another excellent bit of Wars

1:05:52

with same kind of

1:05:54

sensibilities that

1:05:55

the show had, but I

1:05:58

left it feeling really gratified and and looking forward to

1:06:00

the next season, I guess, the next

1:06:02

and final But, I mean, I think they did

1:06:04

a great job of putting us in that world

1:06:08

and showing us things we hadn't seen before

1:06:10

and making it feel like it

1:06:12

fit in the Star Wars universe without

1:06:15

breaking

1:06:15

anything? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1:06:18

I I think back to my

1:06:20

initial my initial thoughts when I was a couple

1:06:22

of episodes and going on, do I

1:06:24

really care about, you know, what janitors and people that

1:06:26

just live in the universe do if they

1:06:28

don't have lightsabers and jettis in the not part

1:06:30

of the

1:06:32

bigger picture. but I did totally come around to it. I I did

1:06:34

really enjoy it. And to your point, I do think that

1:06:36

this was very much targeted at

1:06:38

adults. Like, I I was I remember

1:06:40

thinking at

1:06:42

one point Would eleven year old me have enjoyed this show?

1:06:44

And I think the answer is a fuck

1:06:46

no. I would have been bored out of my mind,

1:06:48

but adult me really did

1:06:50

enjoy it.

1:06:52

So No. It's it's they're being pretty smart about targeting

1:06:54

different demographics with the shows

1:06:58

now. Yeah.

1:06:59

Yeah. And I liked the the final post

1:07:01

credits sequence there where they put a button on it and

1:07:03

tie it into rogue

1:07:06

one and by extension a new hope. I -- Yeah. -- just

1:07:09

just really nicely done. Well, I guess I

1:07:11

have to go back and

1:07:12

watch final credit sequence because

1:07:14

I missed that. Alright.

1:07:18

No spoilers. No spoilers. Well, you'll enjoy

1:07:22

it. Yeah. It it

1:07:24

wasn't exactly a shock. It didn't come out of

1:07:26

left field. Okay.

1:07:27

No. Okay. No. But it's

1:07:29

a nice little while. Okay. Okay. That's enough.

1:07:31

I'll go watch it. I'll watch it. Okay. Alright. And one last little

1:07:33

bit of Star Wars business here.

1:07:35

We were talking

1:07:38

about Star Wars recently, and I came across on YouTube, the

1:07:40

original video press kit for Star

1:07:42

Wars when it launched -- Mhmm. --

1:07:46

which I believe demonstrates that Anthony Daniels above all

1:07:48

is a team player for and I'm I'm

1:07:50

not sure how much he's a team player and how much

1:07:52

does he just simply have not have other

1:07:56

opportunities. but he's very much

1:07:58

playing along here with SC3P0

1:08:00

with the

1:08:02

original launch of Star

1:08:04

Wars and It's just fun to see the kind

1:08:06

of, I guess, hokey nature

1:08:08

with which they they were

1:08:10

dedicated to the bit of

1:08:12

this being a

1:08:14

new opportunity to go on a Star Wars journey. I do like the fact that we look

1:08:16

back at it now through the lens of hindsight and

1:08:18

see it as hokey, but at the time that

1:08:22

was dead serious PR. That

1:08:24

was that was cutting edge, you

1:08:26

know. It was not meant to be hokey at all. It was it was serious,

1:08:28

but I

1:08:31

also my other favorite thing about Star Wars is the fact

1:08:33

that Anthony Daniels, C3P0

1:08:35

and Kenny Williams, R2D2R

1:08:39

the Shatner

1:08:39

and George Takai of the Star Wars universe

1:08:41

and that they absolutely can't stand each

1:08:43

other. Right. Right.

1:08:46

Right. Right. Yeah. What

1:08:48

I've heard is a lot of

1:08:50

that is on Anthony Daniel's shoulders.

1:08:53

that evidently he's not the easiest person to get along with, but that's only rumors

1:08:55

and speculation that I've heard, but I've

1:08:58

heard it from enough people who

1:09:00

are close

1:09:03

enough to it going on and

1:09:04

being around it that I tend to

1:09:06

think that it's probably true. Also,

1:09:09

the fact that What else have you seen

1:09:11

him in? What people aren't clamoring to

1:09:13

have Anthony Daniels appear in their

1:09:15

their projects? I was about to say, so he's

1:09:17

the Schatner, but, you know, Schatner was also ATJ

1:09:20

and many of them. Mhmm. So he

1:09:22

has managed to get past his being a dick. And then he Daniels, not so much.

1:09:24

It's funny on

1:09:27

the latest Jim Jeffries don't

1:09:29

know about that podcast. They they cover Star Wars. And Jim is surprisingly

1:09:31

good at the the Star Wars trivia, but they did talk about

1:09:34

Anthony Daniels a little

1:09:36

bit. and something about,

1:09:38

like, I'll put the suit on when the when the midget goes in the trash can. It's like,

1:09:44

man. His end. Yeah. That's a different time.

1:09:46

Different time. So but that was a good

1:09:48

episode. III recommend checking that

1:09:50

out if you haven't heard that one.

1:09:53

Yeah.

1:09:53

I'd oh, one other quick little

1:09:55

thing. My son sent me Jack sent me a panel

1:09:58

from the original mad

1:10:00

magazine parity

1:10:03

of Star Wars, which I

1:10:05

owned. In fact, I think it

1:10:07

was probably the first issue of Man

1:10:09

magazine I ever bought. I I can

1:10:12

just picture myself begging my mother

1:10:14

to buy it for me at the local Safeway because it was Star Wars. Right.

1:10:19

And there's a frame in there where it there's a running gag throughout

1:10:22

it where R2D2 would beep

1:10:24

and boop

1:10:26

and boop. and then they would have a translation for what he was actually

1:10:28

saying. And there's a

1:10:30

point where C3P0

1:10:33

says a bunch of things and R2D2

1:10:35

says something along the lines of if if things couldn't get

1:10:37

worse, here I am stuck with a robot and

1:10:39

he uses a

1:10:42

slur for a homosexual. again,

1:10:44

different times. Different times. Different times.

1:10:46

Yeah. My son said to me

1:10:48

was like, what? the fuck.

1:10:52

Yeah. It's different

1:10:53

times. It's different

1:10:56

times. It's different world back

1:10:58

then. Mhmm. Yeah. Not that long

1:11:00

ago. No. Not

1:11:00

that long ago. Speaking of not that long

1:11:02

ago, Radio

1:11:03

Shack, and what the flying fuck

1:11:06

is going on over there. I I keep is there and over there.

1:11:08

Yeah. There isn't over there. because

1:11:10

I keep getting I

1:11:13

you know, like, that idiot bought

1:11:15

the brand and then turned it into a

1:11:17

crypto play. And I keep getting all

1:11:19

of these emails from them. Like, hey, we've

1:11:21

got this new in stock. We've got this

1:11:23

new in stock. You know why you're

1:11:25

getting those emails, Jason? You bought a battery from a radio shack back in nineteen eighty

1:11:27

two. That's right. You gave them

1:11:30

your name and answer much.

1:11:32

Yeah. And they gave them your

1:11:35

name and across Yeah. That's right.

1:11:39

And it's it's kinda crazy. It's and right now, the the banner is missing

1:11:41

that was there the other day because when I

1:11:44

went the other day, there's

1:11:46

a big banner across the top Radioshack

1:11:48

is a hundred year old brand embedded into the

1:11:50

global consciousness, and we are going to lead the way for blockchain tech

1:11:54

to reach mainstream adoption by other large brands. Mhmm. That is

1:11:56

now gone. And now it's just a bunch of

1:11:58

junk that's dropped shipped from China drop ship

1:12:00

from china that you

1:12:03

can buy. But I do believe if you go to radio shack dot org,

1:12:05

I believe that's where

1:12:08

they put.

1:12:09

Yep. That's

1:12:11

where

1:12:11

it is. They moved all the crypto stuff to radio shack

1:12:13

dot org. Yeah. You know, we're still

1:12:15

in the company. Yeah.

1:12:18

Yeah. I think I think the douchebags that bought

1:12:20

it figured out that nobody wanted their cryptos so

1:12:22

they had to start drop shipping stuff

1:12:25

to actually make ends meet. Mhmm. But,

1:12:28

yeah, it's like, it is confusing over there

1:12:30

at the radio Shack nowadays. It would be

1:12:32

awesome if you went through the checkout

1:12:34

process and then, like, somebody popped up and started asking

1:12:36

you for all your information. And what could

1:12:38

you give us your address, please, then? Yes.

1:12:42

Yes. Yes. That was my favorite part of

1:12:44

working your radio shack because I'm sure

1:12:46

for their names and addresses every time.

1:12:48

And we got we were ranked on

1:12:50

how many of those names and addresses we got. We were Yeah. It

1:12:56

sucked. But, you know, I was thinking in the

1:12:58

past couple weeks, I was sort of sitting here reminiscing.

1:13:02

I think I was through some old computer stuff and

1:13:04

looking at some old TRS eighties.

1:13:06

And and I got a little bit nostalgic

1:13:08

for that feeling I

1:13:11

had when I was probably eleven or

1:13:13

twelve years old and I used to walk into a radio shack

1:13:15

and just the the feel of that place and I

1:13:17

the smell of it that I'm sure

1:13:19

it had and so

1:13:22

many things in there that I aspired

1:13:24

to have and get and buy and I'd

1:13:26

walk around and look at things and we

1:13:29

oh, wouldn't it be great to Well, someday I'll

1:13:31

be able to afford a model 2TRS eighty,

1:13:33

and all that kind of stuff. And and,

1:13:35

yes, eventually, I did end up working

1:13:38

at RadioShack when I was in college.

1:13:40

So check that one off

1:13:42

of the list of dreams accomplished. And I I did have a good time but

1:13:44

I I just miss

1:13:47

it. I miss that sort

1:13:50

of place, which doesn't really exist anymore. I it gotta be thinking that could someone do a mock up radio

1:13:52

shack in a resort town

1:13:54

or something, like in Orlando, could

1:13:59

you have the the last

1:13:59

blockbuster? You could have, like -- Right. --

1:14:02

radio shack or something like that. Exactly. Exactly.

1:14:04

Just for those of us who

1:14:06

are who are looking for an steljan

1:14:08

could could go in and and get your your battery the

1:14:10

month club card and and give someone our name and address

1:14:13

on on the way

1:14:15

out. because there's two there's

1:14:17

two stores I think of when I I that could kinda give

1:14:19

me that same feeling. One was egghead software, which I don't know if it was

1:14:21

a national chain or not, but we

1:14:23

definitely had them. Yeah.

1:14:27

We had them. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I just I remember, you know, begging

1:14:29

my parents to take me to egghead and I could

1:14:31

get the latest text

1:14:34

based game and that sort of stuff. And then, of course, the

1:14:37

only recently departed Fry's

1:14:39

Electronics. Mhmm. Yeah.

1:14:42

Yep. Yep. Yeah. It's the the the corpse of the

1:14:44

the valley fries is right down the street

1:14:46

for me. I drive by all the

1:14:49

time. Yeah. Still there. turning it into luxury

1:14:51

condos at some point, but it's been empty

1:14:53

for, like, two years now. But Mhmm.

1:14:56

Yeah. I missed that place. a

1:14:58

lot. Yeah. Walking around your local Best Buy just isn't the same. No. No. And I gotta say though, you

1:15:00

know, I I don't have

1:15:02

a Radio Shack story, but KanyAI

1:15:06

in the nineties was I think similar to They don't don't those we

1:15:08

have fun at Kinkos? Open twenty

1:15:10

four hours a day, making scenes,

1:15:15

We had, you I was in desktop publishing. Our friend Bob ran the

1:15:18

the docu was it the docu

1:15:22

sign or whatever or Dakutenk. It was this giant monster

1:15:24

that did eleven by seventeen tri fold, all

1:15:26

sorts of stuff. It was it was so

1:15:29

much fun. you know, you know,

1:15:32

you and I or at that age,

1:15:34

especially, like, college and whatnot. You'd, you

1:15:36

know, you you would maybe have a

1:15:38

printer at home. But if you put together

1:15:40

reports and all that stuff, or you were doing scenes, or

1:15:42

you were throwing a party, and you needed to make copies of flyers,

1:15:44

man, you went to Kingcoast. That was

1:15:46

-- Yep. -- party stop central. you

1:15:50

know,

1:15:50

just to be able to print in color was a thing. Yeah. Yep. Two of the best years of

1:15:52

my life, I gotta say. And we would

1:15:54

since we all

1:15:55

worked we all worked overnight, we

1:15:59

would definitely hit the wine color beforehand and knock back a

1:16:01

few pictures of the house stout before

1:16:03

we went to

1:16:06

work. And they're there may or may not have been several nights where

1:16:08

there was a quote unquote water break in the back, and

1:16:10

we had to close the shop for two hours

1:16:14

for an impromptu nap. But yeah. That that may

1:16:16

or may not have happened. But it

1:16:18

was fun. The old

1:16:19

days. Mhmm. Well,

1:16:20

who

1:16:22

Nowadays, the kids are keeping the

1:16:24

dream alive with their computer repair businesses,

1:16:26

and we all knew this was

1:16:28

happening, but a new study has come

1:16:30

out that shows just how screwed you

1:16:32

are when you hand your laptop over

1:16:34

for repair. Now -- Mhmm. -- this

1:16:37

was a somewhat small study

1:16:39

I have to say. Did you guys

1:16:41

take a look at this one? Yeah. I went through it.

1:16:43

Yeah. I'm I'm not shocked or surprised by this. It's it's

1:16:47

people suck. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty

1:16:49

much. Pretty much. Is this kind of the is this kind of the modern

1:16:52

equivalent of the guy at

1:16:54

the photo, Matt, looking through your

1:16:56

photos? Exactly.

1:16:58

Exactly. Exactly. Making copies for themselves if they want -- Right. -- yes. Right? Of course.

1:17:04

Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. You

1:17:06

know you're in trouble when you get

1:17:08

a wink when you when you pick up

1:17:10

your photos from the photo, Matt. Nice bachelor

1:17:12

party. Yeah. So not

1:17:14

surprising. Again, this is it's,

1:17:16

you know, you think about

1:17:18

this sort of thing and KanyAI

1:17:21

go, oh, it's not surprising at all. But

1:17:23

just a couple Geeks we were talking about how Android had that that

1:17:26

feature that basically locked the phone down and they couldn't get access to

1:17:28

your personal

1:17:31

documents and, you know, it's more and more important these days because the

1:17:34

stuff is so easy to

1:17:36

copy now. Right? And so easy

1:17:38

to search and so easy to copy

1:17:40

and If you don't lock your

1:17:42

stuff down -- No. -- you know, you're you gotta trust these people and generally they're not trustworthy.

1:17:45

Mhmm. Not trustworthy

1:17:48

at all. So

1:17:51

Yeah. How many more stories we gotta have

1:17:53

before somebody, like, figures out a way to do this

1:17:55

-- Mhmm. -- without giving over

1:17:57

your credentials

1:17:58

to your main account? Well,

1:18:00

I was thinking, like,

1:18:02

on for example, on a Mac, could you simply have another user account?

1:18:09

and allow the repair folks access to that account, you'd have to do

1:18:11

this before the machine breaks. But

1:18:14

if you could have

1:18:17

a secondary user account that doesn't have all your personal stuff in it, but it'll still give them access to the

1:18:20

system. Would that be at

1:18:22

all useful? Or do they need

1:18:24

access to

1:18:27

your stuff. I mean, you can still make them an admin

1:18:29

and they can't see your stuff. Right.

1:18:31

But but they can

1:18:32

what they can do is they can

1:18:34

change the password to your account. then go

1:18:37

in and see all your stuff. Yeah. But the problem is they can't change it

1:18:39

back after that, you know. It's not -- Right. -- that they have

1:18:41

introspection onto what the

1:18:43

old password was. So

1:18:45

they could do it and just say, oh, yeah.

1:18:47

I'm sorry. I had to reset We had to reset your password. Yeah.

1:18:49

Yeah. And then you know then you know you've been, you know, duped as it

1:18:52

were, literally. in

1:18:55

some cases. Right. Mhmm. Well, I've

1:18:57

got another story that is

1:18:59

about horrible human nature,

1:19:01

horrible people doing horrible things to people who are trying to do

1:19:04

horrible things back. A new

1:19:06

and trending TikTok challenge requires

1:19:08

you to film yourself naked

1:19:10

while using TikTok's invisible body filter.

1:19:13

which I suppose you are already trusting, which is kind of silly.

1:19:15

But, hey, you're gonna go do that. By all means,

1:19:17

go do it. People are

1:19:19

into it and you're theoretically

1:19:22

being obscured, and they really do promise that it's not unfilurable, but horrible

1:19:24

people have decided to fake that

1:19:26

they do have an unfiltering method.

1:19:31

So if you want to see a Tiktocker actually naked that

1:19:33

has done this, you will go

1:19:35

and download the software, which

1:19:37

is, of course, fake.

1:19:39

And as malware, and then

1:19:41

you're

1:19:42

fucked. Clever is around goes around very clever, you know?

1:19:44

Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

1:19:47

So not surprising.

1:19:48

And the other

1:19:50

story I have, which is a little bit outdated at this point, but again, it just goes to show you that I

1:19:53

mean, who do

1:19:55

you trust anymore? You

1:19:58

wanna do the right thing, you go and you get

1:20:00

yourself a password manager, you make the mistake and

1:20:02

get the worst one out there, which is

1:20:04

LastPass. And the place that

1:20:07

holds all your had

1:20:08

a security breach. Again. Again. It was

1:20:10

number

1:20:10

three. It's a Was it at least

1:20:12

reserved for LastPass? I

1:20:14

mean, LastPass is absolutely retching.

1:20:17

it's horrible. So not surprising that they're the ones getting hit

1:20:19

here. If you're using them, I suggest you switch. G0G

1:20:22

dot show slash one password.

1:20:26

where you should go to get the best deals

1:20:29

on one password

1:20:32

today. Just saying, Yep. So there

1:20:34

you go. Be careful out there with your passwords and you use reputable companies,

1:20:36

not ones that

1:20:39

everybody craps on. Fair

1:20:41

enough. I know you guys have

1:20:43

been talking about

1:20:48

chat GPT elsewhere on the show, but I

1:20:50

was wondering if you wanted to take a couple minutes and discuss it here. Sure. That was another deep

1:20:52

dive into horrible

1:20:55

human nature. Yeah. I've been

1:20:57

playing with it here, some of my

1:20:59

colleagues here at CyberWire, my colleague Brandon. I know playing with

1:21:04

it. And Boy, is it fun? Yeah. The the the

1:21:06

chat one is stunningly good. I I played around I

1:21:08

got curious about it.

1:21:11

I'm not really interested in the image one, and

1:21:13

that's where a lot of the horrible human nature stuff is coming

1:21:15

out because -- Mhmm. -- because of people. There's only so much

1:21:17

you can do with chat. I'm sure

1:21:19

somebody's already made a Nazi

1:21:22

AI out of this thing, of course, because somebody has to. But I did play around with it because I thought it was cool.

1:21:25

Would it be

1:21:28

Kanye Eye? Con.

1:21:31

Oh, hey. You're saying? Wow.

1:21:33

You're on fire today. Yeah.

1:21:35

I played around with it,

1:21:37

and it was you know, some misses,

1:21:40

but overall, stunningly good. Like, we

1:21:42

were talking about it earlier, like,

1:21:45

college essays are done. Like,

1:21:47

you don't expect a kid to write an essay anymore. Right? because this thing

1:21:49

will just -- Right. -- it out. So Right.

1:21:51

Well, and I also you can

1:21:53

ask it to solve a math

1:21:56

problem and show its

1:21:58

work. Shows the work. Yeah. The system would would and it'll do it. It'll show you all the

1:21:59

work. Yeah.

1:22:03

So there's that. I

1:22:06

was wondering, to what degree could you

1:22:09

detect that it's being generated by

1:22:11

this? Because it does create

1:22:14

its text from whole cloth every time. It's

1:22:16

not just regurgitating the same thing

1:22:18

over and over again. Yeah. And

1:22:20

it turns out some folks have

1:22:22

created an output an output detector,

1:22:25

and I included a link to

1:22:27

that in the show notes here.

1:22:29

I I like that the domain

1:22:31

that this hosted at is called hugging face dot co, which

1:22:33

I suppose to say, aliens,

1:22:35

Amage, or alien

1:22:38

Amage, Yeah. So this was created for GPT

1:22:41

two and chat GPT uses GPT

1:22:43

three, but evidently, this

1:22:46

detects it. I ran a few things through it. And

1:22:48

sure enough, it does detect it

1:22:50

with with great

1:22:51

confidence. It seems to

1:22:53

know whether or not it's created by the AI AI or not.

1:22:55

I don't know how it does what it does,

1:22:58

but could this be a way for

1:23:00

teachers? Yeah. Yeah. There you go.

1:23:02

It's AI all the way down.

1:23:04

then you just start to get into the,

1:23:06

well, exactly how many changes do I have to make before I can fool the detector, you

1:23:08

know. Mhmm. You know, so

1:23:11

I change five words fifteen

1:23:14

words. What was the whole thing about back in the early days of the Internet, Jason, we

1:23:18

Jason an

1:23:21

image. How many times we would have to

1:23:23

change it before it was legally ours to use and all that

1:23:26

sort of stuff. Yeah. Which nobody Many people have improved

1:23:28

in court

1:23:30

of law or anything. It was just -- Yeah. -- it

1:23:32

was one of those urban myths out there

1:23:34

for designers in the

1:23:35

early days. Well, so And at

1:23:38

what point will you be able to say to

1:23:40

the chatbot, say, I want you to create

1:23:42

this essay and do it in such a way that the output detector

1:23:44

cannot detect it, and it'll

1:23:46

be able to do that. Yeah.

1:23:49

Then it's whack a mole. Right? Yeah. We're we're in

1:23:51

AI whack a mole. Yep. So Yeah. But I I

1:23:53

thought I was very

1:23:55

impressed by it. I

1:23:58

I'm

1:23:58

kind of at first, I I was

1:24:00

very against all this AI sort of stuff, and

1:24:02

I'm kind of turning the corner on it a

1:24:05

little bit. I'm I'm seeing I'm seeing

1:24:07

some potential positives and and

1:24:09

definite, like, leaps of of

1:24:11

human innovation coming out of these

1:24:13

things, but then I go and read

1:24:15

stories about the image stuff and then I

1:24:17

get really depressed again about human nature. Yeah.

1:24:20

Yeah. Yeah. Gobble

1:24:22

mode, baby, Gobble mode. Well,

1:24:25

I I think

1:24:25

for a lot of writers,

1:24:28

they're probably feeling the

1:24:30

way that Portrait artists felt when photography became

1:24:32

a thing. Mhmm. Yeah. Like, you

1:24:34

know, what

1:24:35

is this what is

1:24:37

this going to do

1:24:39

to my well-being? So, like, programmers when when

1:24:42

Squarespace came out. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Well, it decimated the industry.

1:24:46

You know? it definitely did. Like, there's no doubt about it. Like,

1:24:48

pay overall pay went down. The number

1:24:50

of people available to make a

1:24:54

living doing it went down. And that'll happen, obviously. Like,

1:24:56

there's always a a need for high end

1:24:58

writers and that will always be a thing,

1:25:00

although if you ask most people

1:25:02

to try to write books and

1:25:05

when you start to look at the

1:25:07

statistics on that and, like, most books sell, like, three copies -- Mhmm. -- maybe

1:25:09

not so much. But, yeah,

1:25:11

I mean, certainly, like, if

1:25:14

you're a smaller company that was

1:25:16

using a copywriter even on a contractor

1:25:18

basis now you have access to

1:25:20

this, You may not be contracting

1:25:22

out any more of your copywriting. Right? Yeah. Just imagine just generating corporate

1:25:25

blogs. Mhmm.

1:25:28

This is perfect for

1:25:30

that. Yeah. Yeah. I think you have to have somebody fact checking it because it does get the facts wrong pretty regularly.

1:25:32

Yeah. And sometimes it

1:25:35

goes a little corny. Yeah.

1:25:38

But, okay. I mean, it still

1:25:40

saves time and money. So whether

1:25:43

ultimately, whether or not that's a

1:25:45

good thing. It is a thing

1:25:47

in in it's not gonna end up getting me back in the bottle. Yep. Yep.

1:25:50

It's fascinating. Alright,

1:25:52

guys. Well,

1:25:53

that's what

1:25:53

I have this week. Good

1:25:56

catching up. Jason, I'm glad

1:25:58

you are feeling better, and I hope you continue to head in the right direction. Yeah. Well, thank you

1:25:59

very much, sir.

1:26:02

Thank you very much. Alright.

1:26:05

And we're sliding into the holidays, Steve. I don't know if you're around next

1:26:07

week, but actually, I won't be able to make the Friday show.

1:26:09

So if I don't but

1:26:12

I will. Happy holidays.

1:26:14

Alright? It's very good to talk to you soon. Closing, shout

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it's hard to read. Thank you. Oh, it sounds

1:26:58

great though. You got you got the hang

1:27:00

of it. You figured

1:27:02

it out. You booby at it. Yeah. You figured it out. Look. You got through it in one piece.

1:27:04

Damn it. You need a

1:27:06

fucking AI to do this

1:27:08

damn

1:27:09

forty an ai to do this