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gun. Doesn't matter if it's twenty two

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We'll talk about it. If you don't wanna talk about

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A lot of people are buying guns for self defense

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and have if you bought again for

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self defense. And

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you're still unsure about it. What what's legal?

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What should I do? What are best practices? what

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supposed to have a gun. Do I leave it in the car?

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Maybe, but, man, I sure

1:01

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1:04

Lots lots and lots of guns are stolen

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from cars. That means the bad guys have

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them. You don't want your a bad guy to have your gun.

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Don't leave your gun in the car overnight, hit

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your house or any other place. I just

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It's irresponsible. K866

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talk Dan has called in

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from I know. Hey, Dan.

1:23

What's on your mind, sir? Yeah.

1:25

I've been

1:28

reloading for decades, and

1:29

the most recent reloading

1:32

manual I have is

1:35

nineteen ninety one. Anyway,

1:38

my stepson called me.

1:40

He lives a couple of states away, and

1:43

he's he he reloads recently

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started reloading.

1:48

And, yes, if I knew

1:50

of a load, subsonic

1:54

load for three hundred

1:56

blackout. He's using the AR

1:58

platform.

1:59

Right?

2:01

And I didn't know what

2:03

to tell them. I told them what I did

2:06

with

2:06

my rifles But I don't

2:08

know how that's gonna function, if

2:10

it's gonna

2:11

work the action or what.

2:14

And and that's the issue. start understand

2:16

if you had any recommendation. I

2:19

do. Online,

2:21

one of the best places to go is the hydrogen.

2:23

You know, and Of course, you've been loading forever. You know about

2:25

hodgston powder company. They've got a really good website

2:28

hodgston reloading dot com. And they have

2:30

recommended loads that are subsonic.

2:33

for the three hundred blackout, AKA,

2:35

three hundred Whisper. And

2:38

right now, I'm looking at looks like what they're

2:40

recommending is little gun and accurate

2:43

sixteen eighty for powders using

2:46

bullets in the two thirty, two forty

2:48

five, and maybe a little bit ebbier.

2:50

In that way, you're thinking

2:53

of a heavy bullet.

2:54

Right. Exactly. If you would

2:56

tell him to look because he's probably

2:58

all over the Internet. It'd be my guess.

3:00

Tell him to check the whole

3:03

not hardly. The hydrogen

3:05

website for loads,

3:07

and they'll have a bunch of different loads for different

3:09

bullets and different powders. And

3:11

then you guys have a conversation while he's

3:13

online looking at both loads and you guys can

3:15

come up with something to start with.

3:18

Yeah.

3:19

Okay.

3:20

Good deal. Yeah. And I'm hodged and, you know,

3:23

obviously got a lot of different patterns.

3:25

Look, I appreciate the call, sir. Before I

3:27

move on, I do wanna mention I just talked with the

3:29

folks at Hodgkin. like

3:31

everybody else in the supply chain

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issues, powders are a problem.

3:36

And they get their powders from all over the

3:38

world And there are simply

3:40

some powders that are

3:42

hard

3:43

as in if possible even

3:45

for them to get. somewhere

3:47

they say, well, yeah, our suppliers said we're not

3:49

gonna have that for a year

3:51

or longer.

3:53

So

3:55

Our our family

3:57

motto is be flexible, and

3:59

I think that applies here. If you

4:01

say, yeah, but I really, really want x.

4:04

Okay. Great. x isn't available. And

4:06

if you find another powder that's pretty close,

4:08

if you say, well, I like forty eight thirty one,

4:10

but I'll be able to say forty three fifty. Then buy

4:12

it for heaven's sake. close to

4:14

the same thing. And the reality is a

4:16

hundred feet per second difference is not

4:18

enough to worry about on anything The

4:21

main thing is be able to get some powder.

4:23

Now, I have

4:25

no solutions to offer you on primers.

4:28

I wish I did.

4:31

And I don't know where we end

4:33

up with availability of privacy. So

4:36

if I hear anything, I'll pass it along. But

4:38

right now, it's just kind of getting

4:40

your name in on every Internet

4:43

website that has printer primers

4:45

and powder. Oh, and by the way, tons

4:47

and tons of scam websites have popped

4:49

up. But people say, yeah. We've got all of that.

4:52

If they don't take credit cards,

4:54

it's a scam. period

4:57

parade risk, get out, back

4:59

out of the whole deal. If they want me to

5:01

pay with any other form of payment other

5:03

than credit cards, It's because they know

5:05

that that they can get your money and you

5:07

can't get it back. So

5:09

if they don't take credit cards, it's a scam. And

5:11

there are just tons of sites that

5:13

popped up We have plenty of progress. We

5:15

have all the power you want. We have all the yeah.

5:17

And they look great. They're beautiful websites,

5:19

you know. The scammers are still

5:21

pretty smart. Let's

5:25

do this. Let's bring in our good

5:27

buddy Clark a potion right

5:29

now out there in Utah. Hey, Clark. How are you

5:31

doing, partner? Hey.

5:31

I'm doing well. It was great to hear

5:34

Ryan on last

5:36

week

5:36

even though you were sick though, but it was great to

5:39

hear him. Did he do a good job? he

5:41

really did. He really did. So I don't

5:43

know where he gets it from, but Yeah. I don't

5:45

know. You know? There you go. He's probably from

5:47

his brother. So there you go. Alright.

5:49

So let me let's back up. A lot of

5:51

folks have heard you on the show here over the over

5:53

the years. firearms instructor the

5:56

gun rights activist in Utah,

5:58

trained a lot of the teachers

5:59

there.

6:01

You know that world, but also

6:04

you'd dived into the deep end of the pool

6:06

a year or so ago and decided I'm

6:08

just gonna file my own federal

6:10

freaking lawsuit. what

6:12

and where were you thinking? And tell people what that's

6:14

about. You know, no kidding.

6:16

And, you know, well, thank goodness. We've got tremendous

6:18

help from the new Civil Liberties Alliance. out

6:21

in Washington, D. C. Richard Stamp is

6:23

is handling my case, the attorney part.

6:25

And, yeah, it's made it all the way to the Supreme

6:27

Court. and it was in its

6:29

long what they call its long conference

6:31

on the twenty eighth last week.

6:34

And by five thirty, Friday,

6:36

we hadn't heard back. So my attorney tells

6:38

me that we should know

6:41

whether

6:41

or what what

6:43

the United States Supreme Court is gonna

6:45

do with the Ocean B garland. On

6:48

the basically, it's the Chevron deference

6:50

case the overreach of the governmental

6:52

agencies and that type of thing. So it's much bigger

6:54

than just bump stocks. But we should

6:56

know by nine thirty,

6:59

in the morning, eastern daylight time.

7:01

You're talking about tomorrow morning, Monday? Yeah.

7:03

I am. Okay.

7:04

No. If they're gonna hear it or not, or if they're gonna

7:07

send it back with instructions or

7:09

what they're gonna do. Well, but sometimes sometimes

7:11

they it goes to conference and they just

7:14

continue

7:14

it till they go to the next conference.

7:17

Yeah. Yeah.

7:17

We haven't heard that it's been continued

7:20

on this one. So we're gonna find out. You know,

7:22

this is this is all new water for me. I'm used

7:24

to just dealing with Utah lobby. type

7:26

stuff, and supreme court

7:28

stuff is gonna new.

7:29

Okay. So kinda give us the short

7:31

version of the case And what could if

7:34

you won big on this, what could we

7:36

get out of your case before the Spring Court?

7:38

Well, I am told, you know,

7:40

because I'm not I am not, you know, all that

7:42

big I'm told that it could be have the

7:45

newsweek newsweek and Bloomberg Law

7:47

says it can have far reaching effects for

7:49

all Americans. my case. What's

7:51

what's interesting? In fact, Bloomberg Law of

7:53

All Places suggest the Supreme Court

7:55

hear the case, and Joe Biden

7:58

has actually you know, talk to the Supreme Court

8:00

and ask them not to hear my case

8:02

specific. Can you imagine that phone call?

8:04

Amazing. Amazing. The Supreme Court, please

8:06

don't let please don't hear this case. Well,

8:09

no. I would explain it to you with this

8:11

overreach. The ATF said, bump

8:13

stocks or machine guns, and they interpreted

8:15

the law. Even though they had interpreted it, completely

8:17

a hundred and eighty degrees different, twice

8:20

under Obama. And then

8:22

they said, well, it's the the the

8:24

the statute is is

8:26

is weird, is is convoluted,

8:29

is confusing. So they have a

8:31

they have a remedy for that called the Chevron doctrine.

8:34

Anyway, And now they're saying it's

8:36

not. They're saying no. It's clear.

8:38

So they can't have it both ways. And

8:40

what we're saying is agencies cannot

8:42

make loss. Well, even though I was explaining this, the

8:44

whole idea, but the the Chevron deference

8:46

is basically saying, look, we're gonna

8:48

offer a deference to the agencies.

8:50

They're supposed to know what they're doing

8:52

we give them the ability to regulate. And

8:55

so whatever they do, we're just gonna

8:57

let them do it. The

8:59

problem is they end up

9:02

making regulation, which

9:04

has the weight of law, which could

9:06

send you to federal prison for decades,

9:08

and no one ever voted on

9:10

it. Right?

9:11

Right. And that's where the that's where

9:13

an interesting concept called the rule of Lenity

9:15

comes in, which is if it if

9:17

it puts me in in prison, then

9:19

they have to decide in favor

9:21

of the of the

9:23

citizen. But

9:24

and I'm simplifying that --

9:27

Right. -- entirely. But yeah. So

9:29

okay. So we started off with bump stocks and the

9:31

idea being in it's kind of the same thing

9:33

that ATF is doing right now with

9:35

home built guns and saying that a block plastic

9:37

is actually a receiver. Clearly,

9:40

it's not by law. By the law

9:42

that's actually was passed by the

9:44

US Congress, it's not. And

9:46

ATF says, yeah, it is, and we'll send you to

9:48

jail if we catch you with one of these.

9:50

So that's being challenged.

9:52

This is the whole thing that's going on.

9:54

Yeah.

9:54

Gun owners of America versus

9:57

Garland is another similar case.

9:59

It has a

9:59

a few slight differences

10:02

in it. And that one is also -- I think that

10:04

was also in the long conference last

10:07

Friday. Is there a possibility they

10:09

combine those two? you

10:10

know, I don't know how that works. I

10:13

I guess there is, but I don't

10:15

know how that works if they -- Okay. --

10:17

you know, Alright. Let's switch over

10:19

because we had a call a guy was

10:21

suggesting that maybe the smart thing to

10:23

do for protecting kids in schools is

10:25

to have the teachers have the ability

10:27

to

10:27

have guns. And I my

10:30

comment was one of the things you hear people say all the

10:32

time on the other side is, well, we

10:34

can't be making teachers

10:36

carry guns And I said,

10:38

I've never actually heard a single

10:40

person put out the

10:42

proposal that we require teachers

10:44

to have guns. But you have a lot of experience with this.

10:46

So why don't you pick it up? We've been

10:48

doing this for twenty five, maybe

10:50

thirty years here in Utah. And the thing

10:52

is, hey, we armed police officers. We

10:54

armed security guards. and

10:56

but we don't we don't arm

10:59

teachers. But since they can

11:01

carry everywhere else already,

11:03

when they go the classroom, we just don't disarm them

11:05

in Utah, the teachers. Oh, I like

11:07

that approach. We're not arming them. We're just not

11:10

disarming them. Yeah.

11:12

And and we've been doing it for we've

11:14

been doing it for a long time very

11:16

quietly in in some respects.

11:18

And

11:18

the you know,

11:20

you're right. There's

11:22

a there's a really good potential. If

11:24

somebody chooses to commit suicide,

11:26

by going into a school in Utah. That's

11:29

basically what they're doing because

11:31

they may be met by an armed staff

11:34

faculty administrator

11:36

or just a mom or dad that

11:38

happens to be there because they can also carry.

11:40

Oh, interesting. And one of the things

11:42

you keep hearing, have you heard this But

11:44

what

11:44

about, you know, that you get the but what

11:46

about things? What about, you know,

11:48

if a teacher ends up shooting

11:50

a student? Has that happened?

11:52

I

11:53

guess if the student is coming in

11:55

there with an a r or something like they should know

11:57

the the place. You know, that that may happen, but

11:59

no, it

11:59

hasn't. It hasn't happened. not

12:02

as far as the thirty years. Yeah. And

12:04

and students getting the guns from teachers

12:06

not happening, and teachers being shot

12:08

by police who are responding. That hasn't

12:10

happened. You get all this, but what

12:12

if or what about stuff from people

12:14

who actually have no knowledge of the

12:16

history or how it all works?

12:18

Well,

12:18

yeah, these are the same folks that I guess think

12:20

AR shoot rounds at five thousand feet

12:22

per second. So -- Okay. --

12:24

more than that. it'd have to be fifteen

12:26

thousand feet per second. Right.

12:29

Right. Five times the speed

12:31

coming to Same cartridge.

12:33

Right? Put it in AR. You put it in a bolt

12:35

action and it goes five times as fast out of

12:37

an AR fifteen. Yeah. Yeah.

12:39

That's and he's the same person

12:41

encouraging you know, giving dumb

12:43

advice to the Supreme Court. So yeah. Yep.

12:45

There you go. Hey, look, keep us posted

12:47

and keep my fingers crossed. We're actually gonna hear

12:49

something tomorrow morning on

12:51

this. Right? I'm hoping I'm hoping. Alright.

12:53

Thank you, Chris. Thanks, Tom. Alright. You

12:55

take care, Clark. I appreciate that. Alright.

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16:31

Hello, Ron. Thanks for your patience. How can we

16:33

help you, sir? Yes. I was

16:35

wondering your thoughts on

16:37

putting nail polish

16:39

on primers. Oh, that's

16:41

correct. I like

16:43

the bright red color

16:46

because it it goes well, it offsets

16:48

my eyes.

16:52

I know what you're talking about. Putting

16:55

a nail polish on primer

16:57

supposedly to I wanna

16:59

peel them in. Yeah. To waterproof

17:01

it. And, you know, I

17:03

guess, if I were worried about water getting in, if I

17:05

were gonna be submerging my ammo, that would be a

17:07

thing. And I don't think there's

17:09

any downside to

17:11

it. I also wonder if you're gonna do

17:13

that, should you also seal the case

17:16

mouth? Because I know that manufacturers

17:18

when they make military ammo, they seal

17:20

the primers, and they seal the case

17:23

mouths. Interesting.

17:26

frankly, I haven't done, you know,

17:28

back in the early days when I was in my teens and

17:30

load, and I thought that was cool. I tried

17:32

that fifty plus years

17:34

ago. but I haven't done that since then. It's just

17:36

not something that I would worry

17:38

about a whole lot these days. That that's

17:40

just me. But again, I don't think there's any downside

17:43

to it. Yeah.

17:44

Then I had a question on

17:46

burn rate on powders. Okay.

17:48

Seventy eight twenty eight

17:50

super short cut. Right?

17:53

Good for flowers burning

17:55

powder. Is there anyone that's lowered now? No.

17:57

I I think there's a DMG fifty.

17:59

I think I think I call it that. Seven thousand eight hundred

18:02

and twenty eight is slow. I think rotumbo

18:04

may be slower, although that's hard to find these

18:06

days. I'd have to check that burn rate,

18:08

but those two. Seventy eight twenty

18:10

eight is really good for Magnum cartridges,

18:13

but I'm pretty sure there's

18:15

a couple that are slower You

18:17

might go, again, one of the best places for

18:19

all this information is the Hodgton website. You've

18:21

got all of that there. You might take

18:23

a look at that. But I am pretty

18:26

sure return boat was slower, and I know that

18:28

that powder that's made for the

18:30

fifty BMGI think it's called b f fifty,

18:32

if I remember. I I've never used it. So I'm a

18:34

little on familiar with it.

18:36

But that may be a little bit sore. What what are you

18:38

loading that you need something that's slow for?

18:41

65653165

18:42

odd

18:45

six. Yeah. You don't

18:47

need that. Honestly,

18:50

465 odd six, you're probably looking at something like

18:52

a forty three fifty, forty eight ninety

18:54

one. Seventy eight twenty eight would work fine for

18:56

that, but I don't think you need anything slower than that.

18:58

You're getting to be It's a

19:00

it's a little bit overboard cartridge, but it's

19:02

not that much overboard. What

19:04

about the new Winchester ball

19:07

potter? The six

19:07

forty five is stable. Yeah.

19:10

That's a very good powder, and that would be

19:12

worth considering to use in the six five o'clock six.

19:14

I would sure take a look at that. Okay?

19:17

Yeah. I've loaded some of those. Oh,

19:19

good deal. Alright. Well, I appreciate it. I

19:21

gotta I gotta keep scooting here. We're gonna move from Ron

19:23

to Ron. Wait a minute. Do we have time? Yeah. We do.

19:26

Ron in Las Vegas on line one. Hey,

19:28

Ron. You're a gun talk.

19:30

What's up?

19:32

Oh, you're not there

19:35

well. Alright. Take it back down. Let's see if we can get

19:37

back to that another time. yeah,

19:40

if you were kind of wondering what the heck

19:42

were Ron from Morgan and I were

19:44

talking about. Seventy eight

19:46

twenty eight, super shortcut, SSC,

19:49

is a power

19:51

alerting power, also called a

19:54

propellant. I guess that gives me a chance

19:56

to talk about this for a second. Reloading

19:59

powell powders are not explosives. The

20:02

gunpowder we use, smokeless

20:04

powder, those are not explosives. They're called

20:06

propellants. They burn, but they don't blow

20:08

black fact an explosive.

20:11

It reacts differently to

20:13

things. There are

20:15

different burn rates

20:18

of

20:18

powders. So imagine

20:20

if you would like a nine millimeter, you

20:22

would want something that burns pretty quickly, so you get

20:24

a fast burn rate. And

20:26

then as to, say, a thirty thirty, you want

20:28

a little bit slower burn

20:31

rate because you got usually for a longer

20:33

barrel, you want that power to burn for a

20:35

longer period time to push

20:37

that cart the bullet down the

20:39

barrel. As you go

20:41

to bottleneck cartridges, say a thirty

20:43

dot six, twenty five dot six,

20:45

you start to get into a thing called

20:48

expansion ratio. It's

20:50

the size

20:51

of the case versus

20:53

the diameter of the

20:56

bullet. Now we get into volumetric efficiencies

20:59

and all the esoteric stuff

21:01

that John Barcia's

21:03

calls us riflemenis

21:05

because we we love this stuff. We get,

21:07

you know, back into it. We get into

21:10

it. And then you get into magnum

21:13

cartridges, three hundred magnums, two

21:15

fifty seven weather bees,

21:17

and you need slower burning powders

21:20

for those. That's

21:22

why you go to loading

21:24

manuals published printed

21:26

loading manuals or websites from

21:30

hodgton, spear, hornady,

21:33

nozzler because they have ballistic slabs.

21:36

They

21:36

test this stuff. They know which

21:38

ones work for one thing,

21:40

which ones are safe, even more

21:43

important. And if you stay within the

21:45

parameters of the loads that

21:47

they publish, you're gonna be

21:49

okay. And within those, you're gonna find a

21:51

powder that works for you and you're

21:53

gonna find a load that is more

21:55

accurate and that's kind of part of the funnel,

21:57

but it's a hunt and sequence through that kind of a hunt,

21:59

kind of it. You'll find in

21:59

the right load But please, please,

22:02

please, stay within the published

22:04

parameters. It's like, oh, yeah. They build a safety

22:06

margin into that. Yeah. That's so you

22:08

don't blow up your gun.

22:10

Don't give away the safety

22:12

margin. That's called being,

22:15

oh, unsafe. gun

22:17

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22:22

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23:19

has called in here on nine five out of Minnesota.

23:21

Hey, Braden. Welcome to gun talk. How

23:23

can we help? Hi.

23:26

I got

23:29

a question of about

23:30

reloading. Okay. My

23:33

grandpa just recently passed with,

23:36

and

23:36

I always used to help

23:38

him reload and stuff. I was wondering

23:40

if you had new

23:42

place or anything around Litchfield.

23:45

They're Hutchinson. So

23:48

where I could learn? Learn

23:50

the wheel

23:50

load. Free load. and you're

23:52

gonna be getting his reloading equipment. Yeah.

23:55

I don't

23:56

want to give it to me. That's very

23:58

cool. How

23:58

old are you,

23:59

Braden? On

24:01

twelve. Perfect.

24:02

You're old enough. It's

24:04

smart enough to fix to do this

24:07

thing. I'm gonna give you two

24:09

ideas. Okay? One

24:11

is, obviously, you're twelve years old, so you know

24:13

how to use Internet. YouTube has some

24:15

really good sources on how to reload

24:18

RCES. They make reloading

24:21

equipment. They have step by step

24:23

instructions. But honestly, YouTube is

24:25

a great source on

24:27

learning list. Okay. The other one

24:30

is if you would call

24:32

or or go buy even better, go buy

24:34

in visit some of the gun stores

24:36

in your area and ask

24:39

them if they have somebody who

24:41

teaches because sometimes these gun stores will

24:43

have classes on reloading. And

24:45

if they don't, they may have somebody

24:47

who says, yeah, you know, I know somebody

24:49

who would probably help you and

24:51

get you started because I can just right

24:53

now, there are a thousand people

24:56

who are waving their hands around saying I

24:58

would help Braden if I were in the area.

25:00

Okay?

25:02

k.

25:03

Alright. Do you know what kind of a

25:06

loading you're gonna be doing? Is it rifle

25:08

or shotgun or what?

25:10

handguns. And

25:11

good. What do you like to shoot?

25:14

Well, I like to

25:17

shoot

25:17

my dad's

25:18

the pistol. It's

25:19

a box seventeen. Okay.

25:22

Yeah.

25:22

Yep. Nine millimeter. Yep.

25:25

Yep. Mhmm.

25:25

Good deal. I think this would be a great

25:28

project for you and your dad

25:30

and what

25:30

a wonderful way to honor

25:32

your grandfather to use his

25:35

loading equipment to make ammo that you guys

25:37

can go out to the range and shoot

25:39

together. So, yeah, start with the

25:41

the YouTube videos call

25:43

gun stores in your area or go visit

25:45

them and ask them if they have any classes.

25:47

And something will pop

25:50

up if you're open to it and you let

25:52

people know somebody's gonna show up and say I

25:54

am happy to help you do this.

25:56

Okay?

25:57

that Okay. Very

25:58

good. Look. Sorry about your

25:59

granddad. And but I love the idea

26:02

of you carrying on the tradition. Thank you for calling. I

26:04

appreciate that, sir. Alright.

26:07

Let's grab Wes in Helen

26:09

of Montana. Hey Wes.

26:11

You help us out here? Yes.

26:14

I

26:14

can. I had the

26:16

same

26:16

experience with the gentleman a little

26:18

while back with the the loss of

26:20

the right eye. Okay. And

26:22

I had exactly the same thing

26:24

done. My scope was mounted off to

26:26

the left. And, of

26:29

course, that that offset mount had to

26:31

be custom manufactured by

26:34

machinist. And it worked

26:36

great. However, If you did not

26:38

hold that rifle perfectly good

26:40

level, you could hammer

26:42

the thing one side to

26:44

other it changed the point of

26:46

impact down down field

26:49

dramatically. I I could see how

26:51

it would. And what I

26:53

experienced, you know, it caused me to

26:55

rethink the whole proposition. What

26:57

if you move the stock?

26:59

You change the angle of the

27:01

stock. so the rifle lined

27:03

up with your left eye. And I

27:05

started working on building that, and

27:07

I even contacted the Montana

27:10

Fishing game and there was a an

27:12

organization over at the University in

27:14

in Missouri that was being that

27:16

was working through the a

27:19

Montana fishing game for handicapped

27:21

hunters. Mhmm. And that

27:23

individual might just check that

27:25

out. So

27:25

there is some hope.

27:28

it's called a crossover stock.

27:30

And they've been around for a long time,

27:32

so you actually you

27:35

shoulder the gun on your right

27:37

shoulder like you've been doing all your life, but

27:39

this stock looks like it's

27:41

a crooked dog like looking thing

27:43

to I don't have a good description of

27:46

it. And then, you know, you can check

27:48

this yeah. You keep the stock, but now you're using

27:50

your left eye.

27:52

Correct. Yes. And

27:54

so if somebody wants to find out more about

27:56

that, if they will do a search for crossover

27:59

stock, I think

28:00

that's gonna be one of the better

28:02

ways to find it I had forgotten about that. I'm

28:04

so glad, you know, you brought that up. Now did

28:06

you get one of those and is it working for

28:09

you? I

28:11

I started to to get

28:13

one, and then I ended up having to

28:15

have knee replacement, and that pretty

28:17

much put the the kibos to

28:20

my hunting. So I just I just

28:22

shoot off my my back porch out here

28:24

at Silver City now. And,

28:26

occasionally, AAA gopher

28:29

or a jackhammer pops into my

28:31

view. Well, good deal.

28:33

Look, I really appreciate you bringing this

28:35

up. I have forgotten to mention the idea of

28:37

the crossover stock. and for

28:39

people one eye and don't wanna go through

28:42

the the challenge of

28:43

switching to shooting off the other shoulder and

28:45

using a different eye, that's certainly

28:47

a way to go. Thank you so much, Wes. I wish you

28:49

luck with that. Thanks for the call. 866

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Alright. Back

31:14

with you. I'm Tom Gresham. Give me a holler 866

31:17

talk Clint did that. He's called out

31:19

of Marshall, Texas on three. Who? Clint, you're

31:21

on gun talk.

31:23

Yes. How are

31:24

you doing today? Good. How can

31:25

I help you? A

31:28

few years

31:29

ago, I was looking at a

31:31

gun show. I mean, a yeah. A gun show.

31:33

And they were

31:34

telling me that Franklin

31:36

honor a

31:36

a

31:38

generation three binary system in

31:41

in some way. I don't know if I read it or not

31:43

that they would

31:44

before the spring port two, just like the

31:46

bump stop. Is that true? The

31:50

Franklin Harbor trigger is

31:52

not covered as best I understand. by the

31:54

ETFs restrictions on

31:56

FRTs. And so

31:59

what I the information I have is the Franklin

32:01

Army binary triggers are completely legal still

32:04

available over at franklinarmory dot

32:06

com. Okay. Well,

32:08

something

32:08

does show, Luca. Can I ask you one

32:10

more question right quick? Of course.

32:14

I

32:15

was looking at a autoclave and

32:18

guns and ammo and

32:19

they were talking about the the

32:23

there

32:24

our used car inexpensive But

32:27

yeah. Budget gone. That was called twenty

32:30

twenty two Budget gone. Okay. And they

32:32

had it in about a a Bear

32:34

Creek Arsenal gone.

32:36

Do you know anything about it? They were talking

32:38

about they make them from twenty two long

32:41

life or all the way up to fifty day

32:43

with, I think, fifty three. And

32:45

you called it a Bear Creek

32:47

Arsenal? Yeah. Bear yeah. Bear

32:49

Creek Arsenal. I'm I'm afraid I

32:51

don't know that company. Well,

32:53

it it was in the this

32:55

latest benzodamper --

32:58

Okay. -- but they don't have to

33:00

share. Alright. And I I don't get a guns n ammo.

33:02

I used to write for them, but I haven't read their

33:04

magazine in a long long

33:07

time. But anybody knows anything about Bear

33:09

Creek, ARMOUR, they can give

33:11

you a call. I appreciate that. We'll see if we can

33:13

round up something for you. It

33:15

you know, one of the things that's interesting, and thanks for

33:17

the call. We've got all these

33:19

new companies popping up. People making guns and going,

33:22

man, not heard about

33:24

that one. Part of it is that

33:26

particularly when it comes to the AR fifteen

33:28

style guns, it's very easy to

33:30

become a gunmaker. I mean, if

33:32

you can build them in garage or on your kitchen table,

33:34

you could certainly make a factory for

33:36

them. And that's what's happened to

33:38

a lot of companies. These have

33:40

just popped up because the

33:44

barrier to entry

33:47

being a gunmaker on the AR

33:49

side is almost nonexistent. I mean,

33:51

if there's a time where, you know, if you

33:53

make a bolt action, you actually a

33:55

factory that makes stuff, you got milling machines, you

33:57

got CNC machines, you got all the rest of

33:59

it.

33:59

With a r's, you just buy

34:02

parts, just like you and I would.

34:04

I mean, these guys aren't going to brown

34:06

l's. They're going to the subcontractors

34:08

and buying, you know, receivers

34:10

and everything else and put

34:12

them together. I mean,

34:14

honestly, you could have like Joe

34:16

Bob's AR company. You declare yourself to

34:18

be a company. And once you've done the paperwork with the

34:20

ATF, you're in business and good to go.

34:22

So kind of interesting situation. It's one of the, I

34:24

guess, part of the factor,

34:27

if you will, of Why

34:30

are

34:30

there so many ARs out there? Well, there are a

34:32

lot of people making them.

34:33

It's easy to get into the business

34:35

of making them. There

34:38

are a lot of different variations. You

34:40

can get them a lot of different calibers. They are

34:42

ergonomic. They're easy to

34:44

shoot. They're comfortable

34:46

to in the most popular calibers 223556

34:49

very

34:49

little to no recoil,

34:52

which makes them a

34:53

lot of fun to shoot. And

34:55

they're kind

34:57

of like, I don't

34:59

know, Legos. You can just pop them together

35:01

in any form you want and make your gun

35:03

individual to you, which that has a

35:06

a big appeal to a lot of

35:08

people. So this when

35:10

people say, well, what what is it about AR? Why is

35:12

it about AR? Why is it about new

35:14

to AR? What need, fortunately, is not a factor because they

35:16

are protected, in fact, by the second

35:18

amendment. Oh, speaking of

35:20

that, let's see.

35:22

We have different laws

35:24

challenging assault weapon,

35:28

bhams, California,

35:30

Washington magazines,

35:32

Everybody's

35:33

gonna lose.

35:35

Everybody who is banning these

35:38

commonly used commonly

35:40

owned guns and magazines are gonna lose.

35:43

under the brewing decision. And they

35:45

know it. They know

35:47

they're gonna lose. God, we just

35:49

had one. It was

35:51

a Washington They said, yeah, we're gonna give you a court

35:53

date a year from now. Yeah. That's not

35:56

gonna happen. And

35:58

in California,

36:00

they're challenging the ban on so

36:02

called assault weapons there and the state said, well,

36:04

yeah, we're gonna need seven months

36:06

to review this. The

36:06

judge says, yeah, you got forty five

36:09

days. judge, but he

36:09

tested it now. You don't need seven months to

36:12

review this. You've been arguing this

36:14

case for years before the

36:16

various courts

36:18

here. And

36:18

judge

36:19

Anita is just going to rule

36:21

that it is unconstitutional to

36:24

ban AR fifteenth. Okay? There you

36:26

go. Hey, we've got Ron calling on

36:28

line four. He's got some

36:30

info on the Bear Creek Arsenal guns.

36:32

Ron

36:33

talked to me. Right.

36:36

Ryan,

36:36

you there? I can't. So I yes. I've got a couple of Bickley

36:38

cards, and I've actually the first one I

36:40

got was in 762 by thirty

36:44

nine. Yep. Well,

36:45

they had I think

36:46

they had just started releasing that one.

36:50

So had a with

36:52

an ejector and had to get a an

36:54

enhanced firing pin, but they sent both

36:56

of those out to me right away. Great

36:59

service. Love the gun shoots great. Also,

37:02

a while back, I called because

37:04

I because i heard heard

37:06

that they day someone was coming out

37:08

with a twenty two Magnum --

37:10

Mhmm. -- in the AR

37:12

platform or and

37:14

someone on the spot called right after that

37:16

and said, yeah. So I wanted Bear Creek Arsenal. And I

37:18

and I went, wait a minute. I go to that site

37:20

all the time. How did I not

37:22

see that? We didn't got one there for -- Yeah. -- you know, less than

37:24

half the price of what it would have cost me to buy the

37:26

the one from the other company.

37:28

And that that

37:30

gun is that is because I

37:32

already had AAA lower an

37:34

extra lower. Uh-huh. And that

37:36

is just a hoot. Shoot. That's twenty

37:38

two magnum a r. That would be a

37:40

hoot. Wow. That'd be fun. So I'm Yeah.

37:42

They're

37:42

they're they're commercial. They're in the

37:44

Amazon Center Fire. Are they out of

37:46

North Carolina? Is that what I'm seeing?

37:49

I believe so, sir. Yeah. Yeah. Bear

37:50

creek arsenal. I'm trying to look it up to

37:52

make sure that I had arrived. But, yes, I think that'd be it.

37:54

Yeah. Bear creek arsenal dot com. I mean, I want to look

37:57

it up again. It's one of those deals that, you know and you're gonna have everybody's

37:59

gonna say, Tom, I

37:59

can't believe you didn't know about these guys. I don't know

38:02

about everybody, and it's just there it

38:04

is. So,

38:06

Mia Copa, There you go. Well, cool. I'm glad you're able to get in here let

38:08

us know about that. Bear keep arsenal. It looks

38:10

like they got a quite a lineup

38:13

of different rifles. And the twenty

38:15

two Magnum, I've always been a fan of that cartridge.

38:18

And so, yeah, like

38:19

with all of this, if you can find ammo for

38:21

it, that may be enough of a reason these days. And

38:23

a lot of folks And look, appreciate the

38:26

color on. A lot of

38:28

folks still have a lot of

38:30

ammo stashed from many, many,

38:32

many years of buying it. and probably don't go

38:33

through a lot of twenty two Magnum. That would be

38:36

fun. That'd be a I

38:38

don't know.

38:38

What would you use twenty

38:40

two Magnum? I owe it's cosmic,

38:42

of course. Pray dogs.

38:46

Yeah. I'm not sure. Do you

38:48

have a twenty

38:50

two magnum? you like it? Oh, you know the I wish never let that

38:52

Winchester lever action ninety four twenty

38:55

two m. Would love

38:57

to get that. I see

38:59

them for sale. You know, a little

39:01

bit pricey these days. 866

39:04

talk gun. Don't talk to me right now.

39:13

Alright. Now what's the time to call? If you wanna be on the app

39:15

for show, 866 Talk Gun, if you're

39:18

on hold, we're gonna move you into the app for sure.

39:20

So just stay with us.

39:22

Have patience. there's something I

39:24

wanna talk about here. It's about a mindset, and it's

39:26

something that

39:27

worries me. And I'm watching

39:30

all the coverage of hurricane Ian in Florida.

39:34

And one of the things

39:36

I heard this

39:37

morning on the report was They

39:39

say, well, you know, there's a lot of blame going around

39:41

about the counties didn't issue

39:44

evacuation orders in time. Yeah.

39:46

Yeah. Yeah. You

39:48

know,

39:48

really?

39:50

Is it the governor's responsibility to keep

39:52

you

39:53

safe? It's not hard

39:55

to know there's a hurricane

39:57

coming. at the last minute. They do

39:59

that. You knew you were

40:01

still inside the cone.

40:03

Well, we thought that

40:05

yeah. I know. We've always been

40:07

able to set up, I know. I I know. I've

40:09

grown up in in Hurricane Country. I get it. I know

40:11

I've heard every excuse. They're

40:14

all stupid. They're

40:15

all stupid.

40:16

And

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look, I am

40:19

a preparedness

40:20

guy. I am a safety

40:24

guy. Doesn't matter if I'm running boats, flying

40:26

airplanes, shooting guns, or anything else. Let me

40:28

I'm yeah. I'm at my pocket right

40:30

now. I've got my tourniquet in

40:32

my pocket as I'm speaking to you. I've got a

40:34

package of quick cloth in my pocket as

40:36

I'm speaking to you. I have other

40:39

self protection devices. Yeah.

40:42

I I'm the boy scout guy. I'm

40:44

the be prepared guy. I get it. That's my mindset.

40:46

And why would you not be? There's

40:48

your

40:48

question. Why would you

40:50

not be? Why would

40:52

you be sitting there, waiting for somebody to tell you

40:54

to leave when you're looking at this thing and think,

40:58

this can kill me.

41:00

You know, you could run

41:02

back and forth across a busy street with your

41:04

eyes closed and it works just fine until it

41:08

doesn't. yeah, we've always set them out. It's always been fine. Yeah, it isn't, so it's not.

41:12

Yes. It's inconvenient

41:14

to evacuate. I

41:16

get it. I understand. I've lived my life. You

41:18

know, I was just out of

41:20

my house for a month evacuated.

41:22

evacuated But we had

41:25

been packing and getting our gold bags

41:27

together and getting stuff out of here

41:29

for five days before the

41:31

evacuation order came.

41:34

Why? Because

41:34

I knew there

41:35

wouldn't be enough time to do it

41:38

right when the evacuation

41:40

order came. because I was

41:42

gonna take care of myself and my family.

41:44

That's

41:46

why. There's a

41:48

risk management I don't

41:49

know, spectrum here, if you

41:52

will. If

41:52

the risk, you know, is what's

41:55

the risk? You know, how likely is it?

41:57

And then what is the possible aftermath or the price

41:59

to be paid. If the price

41:59

to be paid is this stuff can kill

42:02

you, then maybe the risk doesn't have to be that

42:04

great before you need to start taking some action

42:06

on

42:08

it. If

42:08

the risk is, well, our basement could flood, then maybe

42:10

you can make some other changes there. And

42:13

then it's the whole well,

42:15

how likely is that? Let's talk

42:17

about that. You know, and this is part of

42:19

this when you start going to places like gunsight

42:21

and thunderstorms in other places, you start to change

42:23

your thinking about

42:26

this. one's coming to save you. It's a really good thing to have in your mind.

42:28

They're not coming to save you.

42:30

It's up

42:30

to you to take care of yourself.

42:32

It's not up to the

42:34

shares department or the fire department or the coast guard anybody else.

42:37

If you didn't leave,

42:39

what the hell were

42:42

you thinking?

42:43

I guess I'm just saying

42:45

this is a way of trying to get some people

42:47

to change the way they look at life and to change the

42:49

way they think in terms of you

42:51

are responsible for yourself and your

42:54

family. Alright?

42:55

I like the phrase

42:56

I learned. I think it was a gunsight.

42:59

versus you may not be able to save you're

43:01

not gonna be able to save the world.

43:03

You

43:03

cannot save the world.

43:06

You

43:06

may be able

43:07

to save yourself and your

43:10

family. But only

43:11

if you start taking

43:13

responsibility for it, and taking action, being decisive. And Billy,

43:15

being willing to say we evacuated and it

43:18

turned out we didn't have to. And have to if

43:20

you're okay doing that a hundred times,

43:24

That's still okay. You

43:26

wanna join me, you wanna talk about that,

43:28

you