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Joe Biden. Biden shrugged them off

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in an interview yesterday. Is he right to do

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that or is that spin? Josh

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of the Wall Street Journal editorial board. She's

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up here in Alaska. I'll be seeing her

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actually later tonight, God willing. And we will

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have a conversation first here on air about

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our final hour just after 5 p.m. Eastern

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time or just after 1 p.m.

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local time here in Alaska.

2:47

We begin today with

2:50

a shocking betrayal by

2:52

the President of the United States of

2:55

an ally, a close ally. In

2:58

his interview with Aaron Burnett on CNN last

3:00

night, Joe Biden did

3:03

what I thought was

3:05

unfathomable, even from him.

3:09

And let me just say this. I'm going to try

3:11

to remain calm and

3:13

composed. There

3:16

have been various times over this presidency

3:19

that I have been disgusted with

3:21

the president. I didn't

3:23

vote for him. I thought he'd be a bad president.

3:25

Never in my wildest nightmares

3:28

did I think Joe Biden would be as

3:31

bad on virtually

3:33

every front imaginable as

3:35

he has been. He promised

3:38

the American people unity

3:41

and moderation and bringing people

3:43

back together and restoring normalcy,

3:47

basically. Let's

3:50

move past the chaos and get to

3:52

something that feels more comfortable. And

3:55

across the board, he

3:58

is failing. And he

4:00

is failing in many cases because

4:02

this shell of a man apparently

4:06

has no beliefs or has forgotten what

4:08

his beliefs were at any point. And

4:11

he is being like a listless vessel

4:13

just tugged along in every left-wing

4:16

direction by a combination of

4:18

his radical staff and

4:21

a hyper-online base, activist

4:23

base, and certain donors.

4:27

Whatever promise he offered the American people

4:29

when he got elected about the type

4:31

of president he would be and the

4:33

type of presidency he would preside over,

4:36

he has utterly abandoned that promise. He

4:40

has been a horrible president.

4:44

And now he has also abandoned

4:47

not just a promise to American voters but

4:49

a crucial American ally in

4:52

the state of Israel. Someone

4:54

might need to wake the president up from

4:56

whatever nap he is probably on and remind

4:58

him about what happened on

5:00

October 7th, a

5:03

genocidal, jihadist

5:05

terrorist group that has run

5:08

the Gaza Strip for decades, invaded

5:12

Israel, and murdered 1,200 people.

5:15

Their goal was to murder as many Jews

5:17

as they possibly could. They

5:19

stole hundreds of people back into

5:21

Gaza after their orgy

5:24

of murder and rape and

5:26

torture, and they have

5:28

held now an unknown number of

5:31

living hostages ever since. And unfortunately it

5:33

appears that that number has dwindled dramatically

5:35

because they've been killing these people. We

5:39

know that they have five Americans dead

5:41

or alive, and one of them we had

5:43

proof of life of recently. They

5:45

have Americans in their

5:48

captivity still right now

5:50

as we speak. Hamas

5:53

promises to keep attacking Israel this way

5:56

over and over again until the Jews

5:58

are on the ground. all dead and

6:00

Israel ceases to exist. Those are the

6:03

words of Hamas, the

6:05

terrorist organization, backed by Iran,

6:08

one of our arch enemies in the world, one

6:10

of the most evil regimes on the face of

6:13

the planet. The

6:15

leaders of Hamas explicitly reject any

6:18

peaceful coexistence with the Jews in

6:20

that region. It's not about

6:22

Israel, it's not about Netanyahu, it's not

6:25

about policy disagreements or settlements, it is

6:27

about Jews. They have

6:29

seething hatred of Jews and they

6:31

want them dead and ethnically cleansed.

6:33

They will not have a two-state

6:35

solution, they will not live side

6:37

by side with them, they've

6:40

made that clear with their words and

6:42

with their murderous actions. And

6:45

now the last real strong hold in

6:48

Gaza that Hamas still

6:50

fully controls is Rafa,

6:52

the city in southern Gaza. Hamas

6:56

is lobbing rockets, by

6:58

the way, at that floating humanitarian

7:01

dock that Biden is

7:03

creating, putting our people at risk. The

7:05

whole point of that dock, that little

7:07

floating base, is to bring aid into

7:09

Gaza to help civilians. Hamas has attacked

7:12

it now multiple times. You

7:15

would think we would throw up our hands

7:17

and say, okay Hamas, sorry, we tried, it's

7:19

time to finish you. You keep

7:21

attacking our people, we're

7:24

just trying to help your people here and you

7:26

won't even allow that. They've been shelling a humanitarian

7:29

crossing into Gaza repeatedly

7:32

now, they're

7:34

stealing aid, they are just

7:36

evil. At every turn they

7:38

choose evil and bigotry and

7:40

hatred and terrorism and murder.

7:44

And so the Israelis have

7:46

decided, understandably, that they cannot

7:48

tolerate that threat in Gaza

7:50

anymore after what happened on

7:52

October 7th. So

7:55

they are fighting a war that

7:58

they did not start. The

8:01

enemy started this and now Israel

8:03

needs to finish it by finishing off Hamas

8:05

in Gaza. And to do so,

8:07

they have to take care of the Rafa

8:09

problem in that city. And

8:13

because the President of the United

8:15

States is in

8:17

a re-election year and

8:19

he has become convinced somehow that

8:22

a key to his re-election is

8:24

to appeasing and placating and

8:27

bringing onside people who call

8:29

him genocide Joe, people

8:33

who support Hamas, the terrorists

8:35

in this fight, people

8:37

who hate Jews, people

8:40

who hate Israel, people who

8:42

hate the United States, people

8:44

who chant death to America. Obviously,

8:48

Joe Biden has decided those are

8:50

essential and crucial elements

8:54

of his coalition that

8:56

he cannot afford to lose. And

8:58

so he has been doing nothing but

9:00

pander to them now for a period

9:02

of months. And

9:04

the so-called ironclad support that he

9:07

offers to Israel is

9:10

lip service. It is just words

9:13

and it actually doesn't comport

9:15

with reality. Yes,

9:17

we have helped the Israelis for many years. Yes, we've

9:19

helped them in this war. Yes, Congress

9:22

just voted to send them more

9:24

aid. Yes, the United

9:26

States helped defend them when Iran directly attacked

9:28

them just a few weeks ago. We

9:31

have done some things to support Israel. But

9:33

now, with so much

9:35

on the line, with Israel trying

9:38

to finish the job while many

9:40

in the international community are lying

9:42

about them and smearing them and

9:44

slandering them with words like genocide,

9:48

to which they attach Joe Biden as

9:50

well, that the protesters call him genocide Joe.

9:52

He was asked about this in the interview. He was like,

9:54

well, I hear them. No, it's a

9:57

despicable lie. It's a despicable

9:59

lie about Israel. and it's

10:01

a despicable lie about you, Mr. President." And

10:04

the response is, well, that's wrong. There

10:06

is no genocide. Here's why I am supporting Israel.

10:08

This is why they have to finish the job

10:11

against Hamas. That's not what he's saying. He

10:13

can't even come to his own defense against

10:17

these smears. They

10:19

call him Genocide Joe, and his answer is,

10:21

well, I hear you. Worthless.

10:26

Absolutely useless. And

10:29

then worse than that, because he's commander-in-chief, and

10:33

he has now not only withheld

10:36

this shipment of ammunition to the

10:38

Israelis that they need, Congress

10:41

just voted to send more, and now

10:43

Biden is holding up a shipment for

10:46

his own political interests. He'll say it's

10:48

humanitarian concerns in Rafah. I don't believe

10:50

that for a second. This

10:52

is the guy who's droned innocent people

10:55

by accident. In

10:57

Afghanistan, for example, and elsewhere,

10:59

and oops, that was a mistake. He

11:02

lets other people make those announcements for him. But

11:05

then he's suddenly concerned about the

11:07

humanitarian situation in Gaza and civilian

11:09

casualties, which is also Hamas's fault,

11:11

by the way. They embed with

11:13

civilians on purpose. They operate out

11:15

of hospitals and mosques and schools,

11:17

for crying out loud. When

11:20

people try to bring in aid, they

11:23

shell the corridors, because they don't want

11:25

the aid to get to their people.

11:27

The suffering of their people is their

11:29

PR tool, and it's working because Biden

11:32

is letting it work. He's

11:35

allowing himself and his administration

11:37

to be played by the

11:39

propaganda machine of Hamas because

11:41

Hamas has, I guess,

11:43

enough supporters in states

11:46

like Michigan, where Biden feels like, well, he

11:48

can't be too much on the side of

11:50

our ally in the war against terrorists. Because

11:55

that might jeopardize his ability to win

11:57

a swing state or two, six months.

11:59

months from now. So

12:02

he withheld that ammunition delivery,

12:06

and they were trying to keep that secret, by the way,

12:09

until after Biden gave his Holocaust

12:11

speech earlier in the week on Tuesday, because

12:14

he's going to say, look, I'm with you, Jews. I'm

12:17

with you. I'm ironclad in my support for Israel

12:19

and get a news cycle out of that for

12:21

some of his potential voters. And then

12:23

they would announce, but also it's not so ironclad

12:26

because we're going to hold this ammunition back because

12:28

we're very concerned about Rafah. Basically

12:32

telling the Israelis a new way, do not

12:34

finish the job against Hamas. And

12:39

it's not about humanitarianism. It's not about

12:41

civilians. It's not about anything other than

12:44

what Biden believes he needs to do

12:47

to win an election. I think he's wrong,

12:49

by the way. He's wrong about almost everything all the

12:51

time. I don't think he's terribly bright. He obviously has

12:54

no convictions. He's not fully with

12:56

it anymore either. It's just a horrible confluence

12:58

of events and factors. But

13:01

I think even this morally

13:03

repulsive calculation that they've made for

13:06

politics, I think it's also incorrect

13:09

about what this actually gains him because the

13:12

genocide Joe people, they're not going to be

13:14

satisfied with a little ping pong back and

13:16

forth of here's something good for Israel, but

13:19

here's something bad for Israel. They

13:21

want Israel gone. Instead

13:24

of Biden bombing Tel Aviv, they

13:27

are not going to be satisfied. They're

13:29

gearing up to disrupt his convention and

13:31

vote against him. And he is just

13:34

fixated on appealing to

13:36

them. And if that means throwing

13:38

Israel under the bus in the middle of this

13:40

defensive war, I guess so be

13:42

it. Adam

13:45

Credo at the Washington Free Beacon reporting that

13:47

within a day of the

13:49

decision being made to withhold the ammunition

13:51

from Israel, Biden also

13:54

and his administration waved

13:56

sanctions on arms sales to

13:59

other countries. in the Middle East that are hostile to

14:01

Israel like Qatar. We

14:03

also know how much they've enriched the Iranians through

14:05

the years, the Biden administration, and

14:07

before that Obama, because

14:11

they're obsessed with some nuclear deal. So

14:16

they're enriching Iran and

14:20

therefore Hamas and Hezbollah and the

14:22

Houthis, terrorist organizations, while

14:25

they are punishing Israel, which would be

14:27

disgusting in any context, but especially

14:30

in the context of a post-October

14:32

7th war that Hamas started

14:34

that Israel is trying to finish. And

14:37

Biden is doing everything in his power

14:39

to protect Hamas, to

14:43

allow its leadership to survive

14:45

in Rafa and elsewhere, and

14:47

to bully the Israelis because

14:49

of these democratic coalition domestic

14:52

politics concerns and

14:54

considerations. It

14:56

is a dereliction of duty. It

14:59

is absolutely inexcusable. And

15:01

then on CNN, in

15:03

this interview last night, he upped the

15:05

ante even further. That wasn't enough hostility

15:07

towards Israel. He also said this in

15:09

Cut Six. I made it

15:12

clear that if they go

15:14

into Rafa, they haven't gone on Rafa yet. If

15:17

they go into Rafa, I'm not supplying

15:19

the weapons that have been used historically to

15:21

deal with Rafa, to deal with the cities,

15:23

to deal with that problem. We're

15:26

going to continue to make sure Israel is

15:28

secure in terms of iron dome

15:30

and their ability to respond to attacks that

15:32

came out of the

15:34

Middle East recently.

15:38

But it's just wrong. We're not

15:40

going to supply the weapons and

15:42

artillery shells used. He's

15:45

going to cut off the weapons Israel needs to

15:47

finish off Hamas

15:49

in Rafa. If

15:56

Israel goes into Rafa to

15:59

end Hamas, The Biden

16:01

administration is going to cut them off in

16:03

terms of offensive precision weapons, by the way.

16:07

So I guess the Israelis will have to use

16:09

less precise weapons in the Rafah

16:11

operation, which will result, unfortunately, in more civilian

16:13

casualties. So that

16:15

is incoherent and makes no sense if

16:17

the real concern is humanitarianism, which it's

16:20

not. It's politics. And

16:23

in the process, you are also robbing the

16:25

Israelis of leverage at the bargaining table if

16:28

they're going to negotiate an actual meaningful ceasefire

16:30

where the hostages come home, and there are

16:32

some major concessions that the Israelis can at

16:34

least stomach. By giving

16:37

Hamas what it wants and pressuring Israel and

16:39

cutting them off and making all these threats,

16:41

Hamas just can sit back and say, thank

16:43

you. We don't have to do anything. Thank

16:46

you, Joe Biden. Just like the

16:48

illegal immigrants chant, thank you, Joe Biden,

16:50

wear Biden t-shirts, now Hamas is in

16:52

the same role,

16:54

in the same boat. Thank

16:56

you, Joe Biden, for stealing any leverage

16:59

from the Israelis and putting all the

17:01

pressure on your ally rather than us,

17:03

the terrorists. That is the reality of

17:06

what this president is doing right

17:08

now, which

17:10

makes the Rafah invasion even

17:13

more likely, because

17:15

it won't be diplomatically solved because

17:17

you are stealing the leverage of

17:19

your supposed ally. This

17:22

is awful from top to bottom. It

17:25

is inexcusable. It

17:28

is indefensible. It

17:30

is disgusting. I

17:32

don't think I have ever been more disgusted with this

17:34

president. And we'll

17:36

see if there's yet another bottom he might plumb

17:39

at some point here. We're

17:41

just getting started. It's Thursday on The Guy

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glad that you're listening. Had to

18:18

get all that off my chest in that first

18:20

segment so it went pretty long. We'll

18:23

get reaction coming up from our guests including

18:25

Senator Sullivan who is next here on

18:27

the Guy Benson Show from Alaska. He's the

18:30

senator representing this state. Just

18:33

today from the POTUS Twitter account or

18:36

X account Biden's team tweeting

18:38

a big smiling photo of Joe on

18:41

my watch when we make promises we keep

18:43

them and we leave no one behind. That's

18:45

a tweet they sent today. Tell

18:48

that to the thousands we left behind in

18:50

Afghanistan and the hostages we're leaving behind in

18:52

Gaza. Alaska

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now is one of the United

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States senators from this great state.

19:15

Republican Dan Sullivan is here and

19:17

Senator it's good to have you back on the show and

19:19

great to be in your state. Hey Guy,

19:21

welcome to Alaska. We are so excited

19:23

that you're in our great state. By

19:25

the way, if you were

19:28

in Anchorage this morning you

19:30

would have woken up to about three or four

19:32

inches of snow so we greeted you with the

19:35

mid-May, mid-Spring snow too. Welcome. We're

19:37

really glad to have you. I'll

19:41

be in Anchorage later so I'll see perhaps

19:43

some of the residual snow when I get

19:45

down there. For now, farther north in Fairbanks

19:48

where there is no snow on the ground

19:50

aside from the big piles that are still

19:52

melting from the winter, sort of shoved

19:55

off in the side of the parking lot. It's

19:57

amazing to see that still in May. Senator before

19:59

we get talking... about it. Oh,

20:02

I don't doubt it. Before we

20:04

get into some Alaska related issues,

20:06

particularly pertaining to energy, I

20:09

do want to get your reaction to now

20:11

confirmation from the president himself

20:14

that the Biden administration is

20:16

now threatening our allies in

20:18

Israel to cut off military

20:21

offensive aid during this war

20:23

that they're fighting against Hamas,

20:25

a war that Hamas started,

20:27

unless the Israelis agree not to

20:29

go into the city of Rafa

20:31

to end Hamas and its

20:34

leadership. It's like something

20:36

out of a bad dream of what

20:38

a caricature might have looked like about

20:41

how a Biden presidency might go. It

20:43

comes against this backdrop of Biden

20:45

assisting, that his support

20:47

for Israel is ironclad, and now

20:49

you have the Prime Minister of

20:51

Israel saying that if they are

20:53

forced to fight alone, they will,

20:56

even if it means using their own fingernails

20:58

to fight, just a disgraceful scene

21:00

in my view, and I wonder how you see

21:02

it. I

21:04

completely agree with you, disgraceful,

21:09

and to be honest, something that I never

21:11

thought we would ever see in America.

21:14

The commander in chief is

21:17

basically negotiating

21:19

for the terrorists.

21:22

Think about that guy. He's negotiating

21:25

for the Hamas terrorists,

21:29

and he's establishing red lines

21:31

against our most important

21:33

ally. The world is

21:36

completely turned upside down, and

21:39

we all know he's doing it for politics, right?

21:42

He's doing it for the vote in Michigan.

21:44

He's doing it for the

21:46

far left radicals in the

21:49

Democratic Party. I mean, it

21:51

is—look, we all have

21:53

our differences on certain issues. I've never

21:55

thought I would see this in my

21:58

lifetime. The commander in chief— as

22:01

Israel is facing an

22:03

existential threat. Remember

22:05

Hamas is telling the world, by

22:07

the way, we're gonna do it

22:10

again. We're

22:12

gonna do October 7th again.

22:16

And here you have Biden essentially

22:18

siding with them. This

22:21

is essentially giving strength,

22:23

power and influence, not

22:26

just to Hamas, but the puppet

22:28

master of all the terrorism in

22:31

the region, and that's Iran. I

22:33

had been pressing this administration from day

22:35

one to drop their appeasement policy of

22:37

the Iranians. What

22:40

Biden did with this announcement is

22:43

he doubled down on his failed Iran appeasement

22:45

policy while

22:48

throwing our most important ally

22:51

in the Middle East under

22:53

the bus. Yeah, and they

22:55

do a lot of

22:58

dirty work for us in that region. They

23:00

help massively with intelligence. This

23:02

is very much a mutually beneficial

23:04

relationship that is now as strained as it's ever been.

23:09

I just, I can't believe that this is happening. I

23:12

cannot believe that the president made the threat that he

23:14

did. And we

23:16

were just talking about it before you joined the

23:18

show, Senator, before

23:20

you joined the show, Senator, if

23:23

the goal is to get to a

23:25

ceasefire that Israel can agree to, this

23:29

just eliminates Israel's

23:32

leverage in those negotiations. And look,

23:34

Hamas doesn't wanna negotiate in good

23:36

faith. That's very clear. But if

23:38

that's the goal, this kills what

23:41

Israel is trying to do, leverage-wise

23:43

at the negotiating table. And if

23:45

you're going to then withhold precision

23:47

munitions from the Israelis, then

23:49

the munitions that they do use might

23:51

be less precise. So if the whole

23:54

pretense is that you're worried about civilian

23:56

casualties in Rafah, you're likely guaranteed to

23:58

be in the right place. guaranteeing more

24:00

of them with this move, it just in

24:03

every single way it looks like

24:05

an insane thing to

24:07

do from our perspective, from the American

24:10

perspective, unless you are looking through

24:12

the view and through the kind

24:15

of lens of pandering

24:19

to a small group of people who

24:22

hate Israel and hate the United

24:24

States because you feel like

24:26

you need their votes. I don't see

24:28

another explanation, truly. I

24:31

couldn't agree with you more. And what

24:33

you just said, when

24:37

you just unpack this, just

24:40

again, baffling decision

24:46

is that to your

24:48

point, it's undermining leverage for a

24:50

ceasefire. You just, you literally just

24:52

flush that down the toilet and

24:57

it increases the potential for

25:01

civilian deaths and casualties

25:05

in the West Bank. So look,

25:08

I think you just laid it

25:10

out. This is driven by the

25:12

president's far left Democrat

25:16

politics where

25:18

he thinks he needs

25:20

to appease the most radical

25:22

elements. Really, let's

25:25

call it what it is, guy.

25:27

It's the Hamas

25:30

sympathizers within the

25:32

Democratic party. And that's

25:36

what's driving this decision. Yeah,

25:40

it's deeply offensive to me as someone

25:42

who loves this country and supports Israel.

25:44

I'm sure it's perhaps even more deeply

25:46

offensive to you as a retired colonel

25:48

in the U.S. Marine Corps. So

25:51

many people are just aghast shaking their

25:53

heads bewildered that this is reality, but

25:55

it is under Joe Biden. And

25:57

here's a theme to transition to our next topic

25:59

here. senator in the time that we

26:01

have left, I think that a

26:04

lot of the horrible decisions being made

26:06

by this president are rooted in pressure

26:08

coming from his hard left and

26:11

he's unable to resist it. Whether he's you know afraid

26:13

of them or whether he's just out to lunch and

26:15

other people are pulling the strings, whatever it is, that's

26:19

what's driving the bus here on this disgraceful

26:21

Israel betrayal. It's also what's driving the bus

26:23

I think on a lot of these green

26:26

energy type decisions and when

26:29

it comes to you know energy

26:32

production, regulations, environmental policy, he has

26:35

really been co-opted by

26:37

the pretty extreme left over and

26:39

over again on those

26:42

issues as well which have direct

26:44

impact, disproportionate impact here in the

26:46

state of Alaska. Just speaking to

26:48

some Alaskans last night who were

26:50

very upset with him, they feel

26:52

like this administration, this president has

26:55

a target specifically on

26:57

their back, on this state, on

26:59

their livelihoods. I know you agree

27:01

with that assessment, can you explain

27:03

to the lower 48 why

27:06

that's the case? Well look

27:08

you're a hundred percent right,

27:10

the far left radical wing

27:12

of the Democratic Party is

27:14

driving this crazy anti-Israel pro

27:16

Hamas policy, it's driving

27:19

the open border policy by

27:21

the way, and it's driving

27:23

the Biden administration's war on

27:25

Alaska. Guy, we have had

27:28

63 executive orders and

27:30

executive actions counting, you

27:32

never know when we're gonna get a new one, singularly

27:35

focused on Alaska

27:37

from this administration. 63.

27:39

It is a

27:42

daily onslaught. I have

27:44

pressed the president directly to his

27:46

face, handing him this handout

27:49

that I have called the Last Frontier

27:51

Lock-up that actually lays out

27:53

each of the 63 and

27:55

I've said, Mr. President, you need to,

27:58

we need a ceasefire on the war on on

28:00

Alaska, you are

28:03

sanctioning Alaska, particularly

28:05

in terms of our energy sector, much

28:07

more than you sanction the terrorists in

28:10

Iran. Like that is

28:12

not a joke, that is a fact. And

28:14

when this happens, of course it hurts

28:17

Alaskans in our future, in

28:19

our economy, in our jobs. But

28:22

to your point, Guy, every American

28:24

should be concerned about this because

28:27

as I'm sure you're seeing when

28:30

you're in Alaska, we are such

28:32

a storehouse for American energy, for

28:34

American critical minerals, for so many

28:36

things that makes us a strong

28:38

country. And when you shut

28:40

us down, yes, you're hurting

28:42

Alaskans, but you're hurting Americans, you're

28:44

hurting one of our critical strengths,

28:47

and this is driven by the

28:49

far left. By the way, almost

28:51

all the actions they've taken are also

28:54

fully illegal. Congress has legislated

28:56

in a lot of these areas saying

28:58

don't do this, he does it.

29:00

And one more thing I think it's

29:02

really important to emphasize, you

29:04

know, he shut down what was called the

29:06

National Petroleum Reserve of Alaska, it was set

29:08

aside by Congress for oil and

29:11

gas development just a couple weeks ago. And

29:14

when he did that, he

29:16

literally said the President of the United

29:18

States, I'm doing this on behalf of

29:20

what the Alaska Native people, the indigenous

29:22

people in that part of

29:24

Alaska, the North Slope region of Alaska,

29:27

I'm doing it for them, I'm doing it because they

29:30

want this. Guy,

29:32

that is an out and out lie

29:35

by the President, the great

29:37

patriotic indigenous people of

29:39

the North Slope of Alaska don't want

29:41

anything like this. He

29:43

knows it, his administration knows it, and

29:46

yet they're using

29:48

the voices of Alaska Natives to...

29:52

It's like hiding behind indigenous people

29:55

and totally mischaracterizing their

29:57

position to excuse some left

29:59

wing... environmental policy that he wants. So

30:02

many of his policies seem to be

30:04

America last and unfortunately it's like Alaska

30:06

last of all. Senator Dan

30:08

Sullivan from Alaska, my guest on the Guy Benson

30:11

Show. Senator, thank you so much for your time

30:13

and we'll be right back. We're

30:20

back here on the Guy Benson Show. Thanks for

30:22

tuning in. Yesterday, we brought you a story out

30:24

of the city of Chicago. It's

30:26

time for a factor follow-up on

30:29

this because Mayor Brandon Johnson was

30:31

under pretty heavy criticism for

30:33

one of his migrant relocation

30:36

pieces. He wanted

30:38

to move a bunch of migrants into housing in a

30:41

certain neighborhood of the city and there were people living

30:43

in that neck of the woods down on the south

30:45

side who were none too pleased about it. And in

30:47

fact, this has been kind of a running theme out

30:50

of Chicago, where this

30:52

mayor, a failing, deeply unpopular

30:54

mayor, bought and paid for

30:56

by the teachers unions. He was an agitator for

30:59

them for years. Then in a

31:01

low turnout election, the people of Chicago elected

31:03

this guy and he's been a complete catastrophe.

31:06

Even a lot of his supporters now admit that.

31:09

It was obvious this train wreck was coming and

31:12

the smoldering train cars are now

31:14

piling up. So he

31:16

makes decisions, for example, to run his

31:18

mouth and talk about how welcoming Chicago

31:21

will be for illegal immigrants. He

31:23

even criticized other Democratic mayors in other cities

31:25

being like, oh, we're not going to be

31:27

like them. We're compassionate.

31:30

We can take these migrants

31:32

because that's the kind of city we are.

31:35

So dutifully, the

31:38

government of Texas, for example, sending a bunch

31:40

of migrants up to Chicago, still not

31:42

that many, a fraction of the

31:44

total that's come pouring across the border, even in a

31:46

month. And Chicago has

31:49

really strained and struggled to

31:51

figure out what to do with these people. It's like,

31:53

well, this is your problem. These are your policies.

31:55

These are the things that you've endorsed. You asked

31:58

for it. Good luck. Deal with it. So

32:00

there have been encampments, you've got people sleeping at

32:03

the airport for a long time, you've had people

32:05

sleeping at police precincts,

32:07

and then when they try to move

32:09

large numbers of them to various communities

32:11

around the city, those communities, often communities

32:13

of color, rise up and say, no,

32:15

we don't want that. Also

32:18

why are all these resources going to

32:20

illegal immigrants rather than us,

32:23

legal residents of this city, citizens of the

32:26

United States? These are fair questions, I think.

32:29

And there are limits to the

32:31

progress in the so-called progressive coalition.

32:35

So Brandon Johnson was

32:37

going to move a bunch of illegal immigrants into this

32:39

neighborhood on the south side, and some of the pushback

32:41

we played for you yesterday, here's a reminder, cut 48.

32:45

And he don't know where to put him? Why

32:47

would you put him in our neighborhood? Why don't

32:49

we go buy your house? All of that

32:51

money that he's given them, we've been bagging

32:53

for years. We've lived here our whole

32:55

life, we have a lot of bad things that have

32:58

been here already, we do not need this, we just

33:00

do not. Look at where

33:02

it's at. It's hit in the back. Why

33:05

is that a good location? We have no amenities

33:07

here as it is. This is just

33:09

insane. It doesn't make sense. Keep

33:11

them downtown, keep them, I don't know, I mean,

33:13

this is not our problem. I

33:17

love that. This is not our problem.

33:20

That's definitely the blue state, blue

33:22

city mentality when it comes to

33:24

the border crisis that they support, as

33:27

they defend Joe Biden and those kinds of

33:29

open border amnesty policies, then you put it

33:31

at their doorstep and it's like, whoa, this

33:33

is not our problem. Why are

33:35

you doing this to us? I saw in

33:37

Denver, illegal immigrants and their

33:40

representatives put together a list of

33:42

demands for the city. I'm

33:44

sorry, you don't get to sneak into the

33:46

country illegally and start making demands of us.

33:49

I wonder where they got that idea. I

33:51

wonder who has incentivized that sort

33:53

of entitlement, which is

33:56

so noxious to so

33:58

many Americans, most Americans, normal people. people

34:01

who would like some rule

34:03

of law, some enforcement, and

34:06

of course we're not getting that. But

34:09

Chicago has been a little bit of an

34:11

outlier because their fearless leader, when

34:13

he's not allegedly having panic attacks constantly,

34:16

is the mayor, Brandon Johnson, who's

34:18

like, oh yeah, bring them on. We're

34:21

progressive, we're compassionate, we can do this. And

34:25

spoiler alert, narrator, they can't do this.

34:29

What's interesting about this particular controversy,

34:32

this little vignette within the

34:35

broader landscape, the

34:37

older woman from this area has

34:39

been adamantly opposed to

34:42

the relocation of these migrants. And

34:44

she was in local media, I

34:46

saw ABC7, she was saying when

34:48

she initially talked about this with the

34:51

mayor, he was making strange references to

34:53

the DNC, the upcoming convention this

34:55

summer. That's going to be in August.

34:58

And boy, the Democrats are going to have all kinds of issues.

35:01

With the crime in that city, the

35:04

rampant crime in that city, with the

35:07

influx, just the crush of

35:10

pro-Hamas, agitators, protesters,

35:12

rioters, from

35:14

hardcore Islamists to revolutionary

35:17

communists, they are going to be

35:19

in the streets in

35:21

a massive way. So

35:23

the last thing that the Democrats, and apparently

35:25

the city leadership believes they need is on

35:27

top of all of that, a

35:30

big illegal immigration migrant crisis

35:32

playing out in the very city that

35:34

is supposed to be the host site of

35:37

this glitzy, beautiful,

35:39

well-choreographed, gauzy infomercial

35:43

for Joe Biden's reelection. It

35:45

would be pretty fitting, actually, if

35:48

and when the stuff hits the

35:50

fan for Joe Biden's convention to

35:53

be playing on a split

35:55

screen of rampant crime, pro-Hamas

35:57

agitation, and migrant crisis. a

36:01

pretty good summary of his presidency in a lot of

36:03

ways, but they're worried about this. They don't want

36:05

that to happen. So this older

36:08

woman in describing her

36:10

conversation with Mayor Johnson

36:13

said, in our initial conversation there

36:15

was mention of the DNC and

36:18

like the timing of it all felt a little odd

36:20

to me. I don't

36:22

think that we should be moving people to hide them.

36:24

I hope that's not what the

36:26

actual case is. So

36:29

the implication there, not even the implication, was the

36:32

mayor was talking about moving

36:34

migrants from more visible areas

36:36

of the city downtown to

36:38

elsewhere, farther afield,

36:42

and she interpreted that as, oh we need to

36:44

hide these people for the DNC. That sounds

36:46

about right to me, doesn't it? Well

36:50

the factor follow-up is Fox News

36:52

reporting and others Mayor

36:54

Johnson has backed down. The plan

36:56

is off. Back to the drawing board

36:58

for old Brandon to figure out where to stick

37:00

these people out of sight,

37:02

out of mind for the cameras when

37:05

everyone rolls into town this summer. Boy that

37:07

is gonna be a scene in Chicago in

37:09

August. Another hour of the Guy

37:11

Benson show coming up next. Please stay tuned. We'll

37:14

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37:53

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37:55

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37:57

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37:59

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38:24

me now from our DC studio is

38:26

Kerry Urbahn, Fox News legal editor. Kerry,

38:28

great to have you back. Thanks

38:31

for having me on. All right. So

38:33

let's talk about this Stormy Daniels testimony over the

38:35

last couple of days. I know a lot of

38:37

people in the media are very excited about it,

38:40

some salacious kind of gross

38:42

details about alleged sexual encounters between

38:44

Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels. One

38:47

of the questions I had earlier in the week for Annie

38:49

McCarthy was, like, why is A,

38:51

any of this news, we knew about this, she's been

38:53

talking about this publicly for a long time. B,

38:56

why is it relevant to the trial? I

38:59

think a lot of people just assume, yes, this

39:01

affair happened. Yes, he paid her off not to

39:03

talk about it. My understanding is what's at issue

39:05

is what happened after that, what came next. So

39:08

why does the mechanics of the

39:10

alleged sex have anything to do

39:12

with what's happening at this trial?

39:15

Yeah, that's right. It's not news. We've known about

39:17

all of these things for years. It's not relevant

39:19

at all to the crime, which is falsifying business

39:21

records to conceal another crime, that other crime. No

39:24

one is still sure what that is since the

39:26

prosecution has not effectively described it or made

39:29

a case for it. But the

39:31

reason, of course, the prosecution is doing

39:33

this, it's part of this game that

39:35

they've been playing the entire time, which

39:37

is conflate salacious with illegal in the

39:40

minds of the jurors. And Guy, I

39:42

think I said this to you before, maybe it was on your show. I

39:45

ran into this a lot, we ran into this a

39:47

lot when we were at the Department of Justice. Actually,

39:49

a lot of incoming from the right, frustration with Bill

39:51

Barr for not prosecuting certain fan favorites. And

39:54

I often would have to defend these decisions in

39:56

the court of public opinion. I would constantly have

39:58

to remind people just because something's future. dirty

40:00

or is dirty doesn't make it illegal. We

40:02

deal in evidence, we deal in

40:04

crime, and we deal in standards. And here

40:06

the standard in the Trump trial is beyond

40:09

a reasonable doubt. So yeah, we heard a

40:11

lot of tawdry details, including how Donald Trump

40:13

was supposedly, allegedly, you know, lying on the

40:15

bed when she came out of the hotel

40:17

room, the bathroom, and what was in his

40:19

medicine cabinet. She said, pert plus and old

40:21

spice, you know, kind of ridiculous stuff that,

40:24

you know, would maybe make a jurist think

40:26

twice about Donald Trump in terms of his

40:29

character. But as far as the crime,

40:31

nothing. Yeah. And

40:34

on that point, I want to follow

40:36

up with two additional questions given that answer.

40:38

Number one, you said

40:40

it's not pertinent, it's not relevant to

40:43

the alleged crime. And we'll get

40:45

to that second crime in a second. And

40:47

so the prosecution, in your words, they are

40:49

trying to conflate the salacious with the criminal

40:51

and kind of putting a lot of this

40:53

sordid information in front of jurors to just

40:55

paint Donald Trump as a bad guy, even

40:58

though these details have nothing to

41:00

do with what the claimed infraction

41:02

is, the claimed actions that have

41:04

led to dozens of felony charges

41:06

that I think is just totally

41:08

absurd on its face. You can't

41:11

necessarily blame the prosecution for trying,

41:13

right? Their job is to try to

41:15

secure a conviction. I think we all know

41:17

why they are pursuing it in this case,

41:19

and this defendant on this timeline. That's the

41:22

prosecution's agenda. But you

41:24

can, I think, more aggressively question why

41:27

the judge would allow any of

41:29

this. Now, of course, he's a Biden donor.

41:31

So there's that we know where his biases

41:33

are. But you'd at least think there would

41:35

be some attempt at

41:37

applying normal standards and even handedness.

41:40

If these things are not relevant

41:42

to the core issues of the

41:44

trial, why would this judge

41:46

green light this kind of testimony and

41:48

these details? Yeah, he

41:51

shouldn't allow it in. It's prejudicial. It paints,

41:53

you know, this unfair picture. Even if true,

41:55

it has nothing to do with the crime.

41:57

And we're here because there's an alleged crime

41:59

is supposed to have been committed, but Guy,

42:01

going back to what you said at first,

42:03

I can't blame the prosecution. I actually do

42:05

blame the prosecution, and here's why. This isn't

42:07

a criminal defense attorney trying to spin something

42:10

in light of the most favorable – to

42:12

his client. This is a government. They're supposed

42:14

to be better than this. They know exactly

42:16

what they're doing. I feel like they've spent

42:18

hours and days and weeks combing through the

42:20

New York penal statutes and codes, looking

42:24

for something that would fit Donald Trump's behavior

42:26

in order to eliminate him as a choice

42:28

from the American voter in November.

42:31

And, you know, Matthew Colangelo, we've talked about

42:33

this a lot. He was

42:35

the number three at DOJ, a prime spot, a

42:37

plumb spot. People love that job at

42:39

DOJ because it's typically the straight path to making a lot

42:41

of money as a corporate bigwig or

42:43

in-house general counsel or heading a U.S. attorney's

42:45

office. Instead, he left that to go work

42:48

for Alvin Bragg. But the reason I point

42:50

that out again is because he definitely knows

42:52

what he's doing. And so for

42:54

them to bend the law in this way, if you're going to bring

42:56

a case against the former president of the United States, it

42:58

better be rock solid, airtight. This

43:01

is anything but that. No,

43:04

you know, I think that's an absolutely fair point,

43:06

and maybe the phrase that I used

43:08

should have been, I'm not surprised.

43:10

I think it's entirely reasonable to blame them

43:12

for the reasons that you just laid out.

43:14

The government. Given Alvin Bragg

43:17

and Alvin Bragg's political bent and the way

43:19

that he pursued office, the way that he

43:21

got elected, it should not be

43:23

surprising necessarily that the prosecution is going to pull

43:25

out these kinds of tricks and various

43:29

efforts to dirty

43:31

up Trump and get a conviction by hook or

43:33

by crook. I just think ultimately people

43:35

hold judges to an even higher standard because

43:37

they're supposed to be the impartial referee in

43:40

the courtroom saying, okay, even if I might

43:42

be sympathetic to this side or that side,

43:44

this cannot fly in my courtroom. This

43:47

is prejudicial. This is not relevant. And

43:49

rather than doing those things, I think

43:51

faithfully, at least it seems to me

43:54

and sounds like to you as well,

43:56

this judge is absolutely playing favorites and

43:58

doing almost everything that the virulently. anti-Trump

44:00

prosecution is asking him to do because

44:03

he himself is virulently anti-Trump as evidenced

44:05

by his own political donations against Donald

44:07

Trump, which brings me back to just

44:10

my astonishment that this man is on

44:12

the bench presiding over this trial and

44:14

did not recuse himself. I

44:16

want to, I mean, you keep giving these great answers

44:19

where I want to spin off into a follow-up. So

44:21

let's chase down the point

44:23

that you made about this man who is

44:25

helping lead the prosecution for Alvin Bragg, who

44:27

left the Biden Garland

44:30

DOJ. He was the number three

44:32

at DOJ. And then he

44:34

jumped ship to come to the Manhattan

44:36

DA's office to prosecute,

44:39

obviously, someone of huge visibility. I'm

44:41

not really familiar with these types

44:43

of circles. You are. You

44:46

inhabit them. Would I be correct

44:48

to assume that it is extremely unusual

44:52

in terms of a career path trajectory

44:54

in choice to go

44:56

from number three at the

44:58

National Department of Justice to

45:01

a prosecutor in a local

45:04

DA's office? It

45:06

is unheard of. It would be like the president

45:08

of Fox News deciding to leave

45:10

that spot and go work for CNN

45:12

as a producer. It

45:15

makes no sense, but it does make sense

45:17

if you really believe in this case and

45:19

it's personal to you. We've

45:21

since found out that Matthew Colangelo,

45:23

this person who's Bragg's right hand,

45:25

who presented opening arguments just a couple of weeks

45:27

ago, was also paid as a political consultant for

45:30

the DNC while he was working for the state

45:32

of New York, by the way, which I'm not

45:34

sure how that's not a conflict, but that's a

45:36

whole different conversation. By

45:39

the way, I want to stop there for a second because

45:41

this is where I was going with it. This

45:43

guy, his animus towards Trump, his agenda

45:45

to me is so obvious. He

45:48

was paid – this is what we just found

45:50

out. He was paid by the Democratic National Committee

45:52

during the Trump administration for

45:55

political consulting. Then,

45:57

he becomes number three at DOJ under the

45:59

Senate. Joe Biden and then

46:01

leaves the Biden administration to go

46:03

prosecute the man that

46:06

is the top obstacle

46:08

to the Democrats holding power after

46:10

the next election. And he's

46:12

doing this on behalf of a hardcore

46:14

partisan prosecutor who campaigned as an anti-Trump

46:17

partisan. And he's presenting his arguments in court

46:19

in front of a judge who donated to Joe

46:22

Biden. Carrie, when you put those pieces

46:24

all together, you don't have to put on a

46:27

tinfoil hat to say, this is rigged. And

46:30

he's bending the law to do it. And this is what bothers me so

46:33

much. Prosecutors have a tremendous amount

46:35

of power, and that's why they take oaths to

46:37

uphold the Constitution, of course the federal ones do.

46:39

And I know the states do as

46:41

well in their state constitutions, but a prosecutor

46:43

with unchecked power is one of the

46:45

most dangerous, I would say, threats to

46:48

democracy and a free and fair justice system. And

46:50

that is what I've been most concerned about in

46:52

terms of what I've been watching unfold in New

46:54

York. This determination

46:57

to find something in the law that can

46:59

fit Donald Trump's behavior, bring charges in a

47:01

way that have never been brought against anyone

47:03

in the state of New York, because let's not

47:05

forget, in a civil fraud trial where they're

47:07

trying to crush him financially, they apply the

47:09

law in a way that's never been applied

47:11

before in the state of New York. Here,

47:13

in this criminal trial, there's no victim. It's

47:16

not like he was defrauding the IRS or

47:18

something like that, although maybe the prosecution is

47:20

going to get there, again, unclear. It was

47:22

his personal ledger, his own records.

47:25

It's like in our parents, my mom

47:27

still writes in her checkbook what she makes

47:30

checks out for. And I

47:32

mean, that's basically the equivalent of what we're talking about.

47:34

They put – and it wasn't even him. It was

47:36

a low-level associate at Trump Tower who was told to

47:38

do this by her boss. She didn't know why, but

47:41

the boss told her to do this, and he wasn't

47:43

even told to do that by Trump. He was told

47:45

to do that by the CFO. She puts in this

47:47

personal ledger legal expense, and the

47:49

legal expense was describing what money

47:53

paid to his personal lawyer, Michael

47:55

Cohen. You could describe that

47:57

as a legal expense, and if that includes compensation

47:59

– for an NDA payment for

48:01

a contract, that can also be described as

48:03

a legal expense. But yet here we are,

48:06

and a state is determined to put a

48:08

former president of the United States and possible

48:10

future president of the United States in jail

48:12

over this. Yeah,

48:14

and it's this unbelievably flimsy

48:16

case, to put it really

48:18

charitably. It's untested, right?

48:21

It's novel. It's not been tried before. And

48:23

to your previous point, if you're going to

48:25

put a former president of the United States on

48:27

trial, criminal trial for the

48:29

first time in American history, it had better

48:31

be a locked down, slam

48:33

dunk, legally airtight case, and this

48:36

is anything but. And you're talking

48:38

about the victimless situation of this

48:40

alleged crime, same through

48:42

point from the New York State civil

48:44

case against Trump, where they,

48:47

what, find him many, many millions, hundreds of

48:49

millions of dollars or whatever it is, based

48:51

on supposed fraud within

48:53

his business practices that the victims,

48:56

quote unquote, affected by it, actually testified that

48:58

they were not victimized and that everything was

49:00

fine. But they found a way, any way

49:03

to go after him in New York State

49:05

on the civil side. Now it's the criminal

49:07

side. And this brings us back to

49:11

my next follow-up question that I've now delayed a

49:13

few times because we keep getting sidetracked for good

49:15

reason. This second crime,

49:18

this mystery second crime, because

49:21

the bookkeeping infraction is like,

49:24

at worst, a misdemeanor that lapsed in 2019. How

49:27

that turns into dozens of felonies where

49:29

he could go to jail potentially for

49:32

like 100 years, that is mind-blowing. And

49:35

the only way they've been able to sort of like

49:37

MacGyver this thing is to say, oh, well, there was

49:39

the misdemeanor that lapsed, but really it

49:41

was a violation of the

49:43

federal election laws as well. So there was some

49:46

second crime here, so it's a broader conspiracy, and

49:48

now we've got a bunch of felonies. And

49:51

the judge won't let the former FEC chairman

49:53

come in and swat down that side of

49:55

the case, which is core, it seems, to

49:57

the whole prosecution, but he will do

49:59

it. People allow the sexual details from Stirmey

50:01

Daniels, and even though it's totally irrelevant, again, just

50:03

like red flags everywhere in

50:05

terms of bias and grounds for appeal.

50:08

But I keep getting hung up

50:10

on this second crime TBD or

50:13

TBA. I don't understand how this

50:15

is even legal. You're the lawyer,

50:17

I'm not. habeas corpus, right? People need to,

50:19

if I remember correctly, they have a right

50:21

to know what they're being detained for if

50:24

they're behind bars. Is there

50:26

not some sort of similar provision that if

50:28

you were on trial for a crime, you

50:30

need to be made aware of

50:33

what the crimes are so you

50:35

can defend against the

50:37

allegations? I just don't understand how this is even allowed. Yeah,

50:40

it's called the Sixth Amendment. The accused has their

50:42

eye to know what they're being accused of. It

50:44

doesn't end that, I don't think, includes Alvin Bragg in

50:46

a subsequent press conference after they released

50:49

the indictment saying, oh yeah, a violation of

50:51

state and federal election law will, wait a

50:53

second, hold on, federal election law? This is

50:55

a state court. So they don't have jurisdiction

50:57

over federal election law. And two, the

50:59

Department of Justice declined to bring a

51:01

federal election law violation against Donald Trump when they had

51:03

the opportunity to do so. So

51:06

then if we go back to the state law, it's

51:08

this vague state law, similar to the vague fraud law

51:10

that they went after Trump on in

51:12

the civil fraud case that says that it is –

51:14

that if one or more –

51:16

two or more people conspire to promote a

51:18

candidate by unlawful means, that is a crime.

51:21

So here's the problem with that. Well,

51:24

who else is the conspire, right? Who else

51:26

are the conspirators? Because no one else has

51:28

been charged. You can't conspire with yourself. You

51:30

need more than one person. That's like a

51:32

basic tenet of conspiracy, any kind of law

51:34

that involves conspiracy. So that's problem number one.

51:36

And problem number two, well, if it's to

51:38

influence an election or promote a candidate, first

51:40

of all, that's called running for office. So

51:43

we'd have to take a look at the

51:45

unlawful means provision of that law. Well, what

51:47

was unlawful? That's – what

51:49

are the unlawful means? Like what did they do to

51:52

promote Donald Trump for president that was unlawful? It can't

51:54

be an NDA because that's

51:56

legal. So – And

51:59

they have a claim. They haven't told

52:01

us, they haven't told the defense, they

52:03

haven't told anyone what this other crime

52:06

is. I just sit here and

52:08

I see, like, okay, crime one, this

52:10

supposed misdemeanor. Crime two, question mark. We'll

52:12

get back to you on that. That

52:15

is bananas to me in any

52:17

circumstance. In a banana republic. No matter

52:19

who – exactly. Even

52:22

if the defendant were someone that we'd never heard

52:24

of, that would reek of

52:26

abuse. And then given all the

52:28

other context around this and the

52:30

glaring politics at play in the middle of an

52:32

election year, I think it

52:35

really does speak for itself and it

52:37

speaks extremely poorly of everyone involved in

52:39

this prosecution. And you do not have

52:41

to be a Trump loyalist to see

52:43

that. To me, it is just right

52:46

in front of our eyes. Carrie Urbana is the

52:48

Fox News legal editor here at the network. Carrie,

52:50

we so appreciate your time and your insights, and

52:52

we look forward to our next conversation because obviously

52:54

we're a long way from done. Thanks for having

52:56

me on. And we'll take a

52:58

quick break. We'll be right back. It is the

53:00

Guy Benson Show. Keep it right here. Not the

53:02

same talking points here, but Guy Benson Show. I'm

53:10

Guy Benson. Thanks so much for

53:12

listening. So yesterday evening, a

53:15

backbencher from the state of Georgia, Congresswoman

53:18

Green, took to the House floor, and

53:21

she decided that she was going to actually go for

53:23

this after all. Her fellow Republicans

53:25

overwhelmingly were not pleased, as you will hear,

53:27

in Cut 49. I

53:29

seek recognition to give notice of my intent

53:31

to raise the question of the privileges of

53:34

the House. The form of

53:36

the resolution is as follows. Declaring

53:39

the office of Speaker of the

53:41

House representatives to be vacant. This

53:50

is the unit party for the American

53:52

people watching. The gentlelady

53:54

will suspend. Yeah, not the unit party.

53:57

Just the vast majority of House Republicans. who

54:00

saw this stunt for what it is stupid,

54:03

pointless, and selfish, and also reckless in

54:05

the middle of an election year where

54:08

things are as tight as they are. Just

54:12

utterly useless. Which

54:15

is why 196 House Republicans voted

54:17

to kill this motion to vacate

54:20

from Marjorie Taylor Greene with just 11

54:22

Republicans voting her way. Like, oh yeah,

54:25

let's have this debate. By the way,

54:27

three times as many Democrats voted with

54:29

her as Republicans did. Now

54:33

the booing came from Republicans. It's not about

54:35

a uni party. It's about people who

54:37

want to actually do some

54:40

work and not get bogged down

54:42

in drama that has

54:44

no actual positive outcome imaginable,

54:48

politically, policy-wise, or

54:50

otherwise. So

54:53

she read the room very wrong. She

54:57

got absolutely crushed. It was 359 to 43. Devote

55:02

to table the motion. A

55:05

drubbing. She

55:07

wants attention. She got it. I

55:09

wish she would get a lot less of it. There's

55:11

no strategic thinking here at all. Speaker

55:15

Johnson remains the speaker. And

55:19

this absurd little episode was nipped

55:21

in the bud in a matter of

55:23

minutes, thankfully. The

55:26

self-destructive impulses of some are

55:28

just incredible. The

55:31

Guy Benson Show continues after this break with

55:33

Josh Crossour. Stay tuned. Miss a minute.

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56:02

With us now is Josh Krasauer, Fox News

56:04

Radio political analyst and editor-in-chief

56:06

at Jewish Insider. Josh, welcome back.

56:09

Hey, Guy, great to be back with you. President

56:13

Biden, making quite a bit of news

56:15

in his interview with CNN yesterday, one

56:17

of the lesser noticed elements of the

56:20

interview had to do with

56:22

political polling and the 2024 election.

56:25

When he passed about really the rough

56:27

numbers out there for him in his

56:29

reelection campaign, he kind of shrugged it

56:31

off, cut 29. We've already turned around. Look, look

56:33

at the Michigan survey. For

56:37

65 percent of American people think they're in good

56:39

shape economically. They think the nation's not in good

56:41

shape, but they're personally in good shape. The

56:43

polling data has been wrong all along. How

56:46

many of you guys do a poll with CNN? How

56:49

many folks you have to call to get one response? All

56:52

right, Josh. He's questioning the

56:54

polling overall. He is citing the polling.

56:56

I'm not sure accurately, but he's citing

56:58

polls to make the point

57:00

he wants to make, and then in the

57:03

next breath says that the polling's all wrong

57:05

anyway. I just wonder how you read that

57:07

response, because the tee-up was, hey, people are

57:09

unhappy. Here's a bunch of examples. That

57:11

was his reply. Well,

57:13

look, I think you have to, if

57:15

you're the president, and most polls

57:17

show you trailing nationally, trailing in

57:20

most, if not all, the battleground states. You have

57:22

to say there's something wrong with the polls, because

57:24

there has been a pretty predominant

57:30

consensus that Biden would lose the

57:33

reelection campaign if it was held today. Look,

57:36

he's doing what he has to

57:38

do. Look,

57:40

I don't think that being in

57:42

a bubble is good for your political health. That

57:48

is, I think, a malady that's

57:50

affecting this White House, that they

57:52

basically are kind of in

57:54

their own bubble, that their policies are successful,

57:56

the economy is great, people want this White

57:58

House to be tougher on Israel. Israel, like there's

58:00

this very progressive bubble. I think a lot of top

58:02

staff at the White House are

58:05

disproportionately to the

58:07

left of the average voter, average Democratic voter, for

58:09

that matter. And I think maybe that's

58:11

sort of the perspective that

58:14

Biden is getting from his team, because

58:16

even just looking at a lot of the decisions lately

58:18

from a political lens doesn't

58:22

make a whole, you know, he's not appealing to the middle of

58:24

the electorate. He's not feeling the pain

58:26

of Americans who have taken

58:28

it on the chin economically, dealing with inflation.

58:30

He's not dealing with, if you look at

58:32

the polls, the vast majority of Americans who

58:34

support Israel in their fight over Hamas. He's

58:37

not looking at the polls showing immigration is a top concern

58:39

for voters and not just to serve good voters. So

58:41

I mean, I think that might reflect the bubble that

58:43

the White House finds itself in. And the president, remember,

58:46

during the Trump administration, there were a lot of critics

58:48

that Trump wasn't getting all the news, that wasn't getting

58:50

all the news clips and didn't have a full view

58:52

of what was going on. Well, it does seem from

58:54

that clip guy that Biden

58:56

isn't getting the full

58:59

sense of where the public is when they

59:01

react to his policy. Yeah, I think that

59:03

is undeniably true. And, you know,

59:06

I think part of the bubble that you're talking

59:08

about isn't just lefty staffers at the White House

59:11

and these activists on campus and

59:13

the people who are very loud,

59:15

certain hardcore folks in the donor

59:17

class. I think it also involves

59:19

the news media, because many journalists

59:21

are to the left of the

59:23

average Democratic voter and are constantly

59:25

tugging this White House and really

59:27

the Democratic Party in general to the

59:29

left, because that's where the consensus of

59:32

many, many journalists sets. So I think

59:34

that's maybe also part of the problem.

59:36

Sometimes media bias helps the Democrats because

59:39

they carry water and they attack Republicans

59:41

and do all the things that are

59:43

helpful to Democrats. Sometimes it's actually harmful

59:46

inadvertently to Democrats hurting their

59:48

own side because they're all

59:50

in this kind of extreme

59:52

realm together and not

59:54

recognizing how normal Americans

59:56

feel about a lot of different issues. And

59:58

therefore there's kind of this this

1:00:00

echo chamber that gets perpetuated

1:00:04

and alienates a lot of people, including

1:00:06

winnable people, moderate people who

1:00:08

went in droves for Biden

1:00:10

last time. Now, one

1:00:12

thing, and my audience might

1:00:14

groan because I talk about this endlessly, but

1:00:16

I think it's really important. So I'm going

1:00:19

to just keep going there. One

1:00:21

reason why Biden might be right about

1:00:23

the polling and his deficit in

1:00:26

all these places that may be being overstated

1:00:28

is because even when you dig within the

1:00:30

data that is very ugly for

1:00:32

him, for the most part at the top line,

1:00:34

when you look at the likeliest voters, they

1:00:37

break for Biden by four to 10

1:00:39

points. He has a lead among people

1:00:41

who are rock solid guaranteed

1:00:44

to vote. Whereas Trump

1:00:46

has huge advantages, 20, 30

1:00:49

points among occasional voters and unregistered

1:00:51

adults. So there's a sentiment in

1:00:53

the country that I think

1:00:56

could be absolutely fatal to Biden's reelection.

1:00:58

But if the people driving a lot

1:01:00

of that sentiment don't actually vote, it

1:01:03

comes down to who actually, you know,

1:01:06

puts ballots into the box and then

1:01:08

they get counted. So it's a ballot

1:01:10

operation game. And I do

1:01:12

feel like the Democrats have a very

1:01:14

significant advantage there, Josh. Would

1:01:16

that be enough, though, to overcome some

1:01:18

of the other headwinds? So

1:01:21

you can see the dynamic

1:01:23

that in today's politics,

1:01:25

the most reliable voters are Democrats. You

1:01:28

used to be a Republican. Now the

1:01:30

people that are showing up

1:01:32

at the polls, you know, looking

1:01:34

envelopes, delivering direct mail, volunteering

1:01:37

for the local candidates, they're disproportionately Democrats.

1:01:39

So you look at the local elections,

1:01:41

special elections for Congress in the last

1:01:44

couple of years and Democrats have consistently

1:01:46

overperformed. Now, I

1:01:48

also know and I caution

1:01:50

in looking at likely voter models in

1:01:52

May of 2024 when many voters

1:01:55

who end up voting for president don't

1:01:57

follow every day today in development on

1:01:59

the president. campaign trail. You

1:02:01

know, one of the first rules

1:02:03

of thumb I learned as a political reporter is

1:02:06

that don't look at a likely voter model until

1:02:08

you get into September, October at the earliest. And

1:02:10

I think, you know,

1:02:12

I think you're seeing the most committed voters

1:02:15

showing a Democratic lean, but I don't think

1:02:17

they're capturing what you're going to see. Even

1:02:20

if it's a lower turnout election than we

1:02:22

saw in 2016 and 2020, you're going to

1:02:24

have, you know, half the country showing up

1:02:27

to vote for president. And I just

1:02:29

think that the likely voter models are capturing

1:02:32

what we've seen in these local elections, the

1:02:34

most committed voters, the most regular voters, but

1:02:36

presidential elections, even the most, most anticlimactic of

1:02:38

them generate very high turnout. And we've seen

1:02:40

historic turnout in the last two presidential elections.

1:02:43

So I look at the

1:02:45

likely in the model and I just would,

1:02:47

I understand sort of where a lot of

1:02:49

folks are coming from and they think that

1:02:51

that's the Biden pathway to victory. I think

1:02:53

the more cautionary tale for Trump from those

1:02:55

numbers is R.F.K. Jr., that he's actually one

1:02:58

pattern we're seeing in the polls is

1:03:00

that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is actually pulling more

1:03:02

voters away from Donald Trump. So if there is

1:03:04

something that plays to Biden's advantage,

1:03:06

I actually think it's more that some of these

1:03:09

undecided voters don't like either candidate, they

1:03:12

end up going to Kennedy and maybe they

1:03:14

pull, he pulls more votes away from Trump

1:03:16

and that could be a late, late breaking

1:03:18

development. Maybe the Trump people should be rooting

1:03:21

for all those Democratic lawyers to keep suing

1:03:23

to get R.F.K. Jr. off the ballot or

1:03:25

to deny him ballot access because the Democrats

1:03:27

are convinced R.F.K. will hurt them more,

1:03:30

it seems, because they've deployed all these lawyers to

1:03:32

block him. The pro-democracy party, there's

1:03:34

obviously an irony there. They might

1:03:36

be wrong about it. It seems like in

1:03:38

different states and different polls, R.F.K. and his

1:03:41

effect is a little bit different. So that's

1:03:43

also messy. I'm not sure there's a direct

1:03:45

line there yet that we're seeing, but it's

1:03:47

not quite obvious to me, to your point,

1:03:50

which side benefits from an R.F.K.

1:03:52

presence on the ballot in various

1:03:54

states versus the other. And

1:03:57

that's something probably keeping both

1:03:59

campaigns. up at night. But just to

1:04:01

come back briefly to this other point, Josh, it's

1:04:03

not just about a likely voter screen that

1:04:06

I'm talking about, because I agree that's premature. I'm

1:04:09

more talking about when they poll people and they say,

1:04:11

hey, have you voted in any of the last four

1:04:13

elections? So like 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022. When people

1:04:15

have voted in all four of them, Biden has a

1:04:17

clear lead with that

1:04:24

group. But then when it's people

1:04:26

who voted in maybe two, maybe one,

1:04:29

or zero of those, that's

1:04:31

where Trump has a big advantage.

1:04:33

So it's not necessarily about

1:04:35

saying, okay, is this person the likely

1:04:38

voter? It's more of like, what has

1:04:40

their behavior been? Past behaviors, generally a

1:04:42

pretty good predictor of future behavior. If

1:04:44

they only occasionally show up or kind

1:04:46

of don't show up, or aren't registered,

1:04:49

obviously, that might be

1:04:51

a predictor, that might be

1:04:54

some sort of indication of how they might

1:04:56

or might not act in November. That's more

1:04:58

of my point about the Trump

1:05:01

team and the Republicans trying

1:05:03

to maximize the likelihood that

1:05:06

those types of people will either get registered

1:05:09

to vote and or get a ballot

1:05:11

in their hands and fill it out

1:05:13

by early November. That's, I think,

1:05:16

more what I'm talking about than some of the

1:05:18

polling screens at this stage. Yeah,

1:05:20

and that's a good point, Guy. I would

1:05:22

just say to that point that we

1:05:25

have two elections where Trump has been on the ballot.

1:05:27

And even when he lost in 2020, Republican

1:05:29

voter turnout was quite robust, even

1:05:31

with all the issues surrounding early

1:05:33

voting. And that was not the issue for

1:05:35

Trump in 2020, it was the

1:05:38

persuadable voters, the suburban swing voters

1:05:40

that bolted from Donald Trump's campaign

1:05:42

in 2020. But he turned out

1:05:44

even low propensity voters, both of

1:05:46

those presidential election years. So look, the

1:05:48

challenge for Republicans has been when he's not on the

1:05:50

ballot in the 2018 midterms, 2022,

1:05:52

you know, that's when Republicans have

1:05:54

underperformed. Trump certainly lost by four

1:05:56

points in 2020, but he actually outperformed the polls

1:05:59

in large part. because of that high turnout.

1:06:01

So the lesson in the last two elections where

1:06:03

he's been on the ballot is that Republicans will

1:06:05

show up, they're Republican voters that won't show up

1:06:07

for any other Republicans, they'll show up for Trump.

1:06:10

Maybe that's changed. Maybe, but I can't,

1:06:12

given Biden's unpopularity, his numbers have gone down

1:06:14

since 2020 and given Trump's favorability is about

1:06:16

the same, it's not a little bit better

1:06:18

than it was four years ago, I don't

1:06:21

see a huge challenge. I think

1:06:24

the bigger problem of anything is getting

1:06:26

voters who are Republicans to vote early, to bank

1:06:28

votes early, to do the kind of blocking and

1:06:30

tackling when you're talking about that Republicans have been

1:06:32

resistant to and certainly how Trump has been saying,

1:06:34

don't do that. That's a big part of my

1:06:37

point. No, that's a, that's a huge part of

1:06:39

my point because I think the Democrats

1:06:41

are putting together the pieces to try to

1:06:43

grind out a victory. And

1:06:45

the New York Times had a story about the

1:06:47

hundreds of offices on the ground in a handful

1:06:49

of states Biden has. I just think there's a

1:06:52

lag here. There's a deficit that Trump and the

1:06:54

Republicans have, and it could be the difference between

1:06:56

let's say a Trump victory and a big Trump

1:06:58

victory, or depending on how

1:07:00

things move a little bit, it could be the difference between a

1:07:03

Trump victory and a Trump loss. Another

1:07:05

factor more in Trump's favor, I would

1:07:08

say, Josh, is a lot of

1:07:10

handwringing among liberals about

1:07:12

Trump nostalgia. Let's talk about that phenomenon

1:07:14

and how it might impact this election.

1:07:17

When we come back with Josh Krasauer

1:07:19

on the Guy Benson show. New

1:07:22

talk for a new generation, the

1:07:24

Guy Benson show. Back

1:07:33

with Josh Krasauer on the Guy Benson

1:07:35

show. Let's talk about Trump nostalgia. You

1:07:37

see people in the press and in

1:07:40

the Democratic party looking at the data

1:07:42

and showing a lot of people who

1:07:45

may not have had a positive view of Donald

1:07:47

Trump ever until now coming around

1:07:50

to the position that actually in retrospect, things

1:07:53

weren't so bad. Maybe he was actually a

1:07:55

pretty good president with good outcomes. He was

1:07:57

never above water on approval while he was

1:07:59

president. But many polls

1:08:01

now show, looking back, majority

1:08:04

approval of the job that he did. They're

1:08:06

kind of freaking out about this Trump nostalgia. I think part

1:08:08

of that, of course, is what are you comparing it to?

1:08:11

And that would be the current guy and

1:08:13

the current state of affairs. But just your

1:08:16

reflection there, Trump nostalgia, an interesting

1:08:19

X factor, maybe a big one in this election. Yeah,

1:08:22

I mean, that's a phenomenon that affects a lot of

1:08:24

former presidents who were not popular when they were in

1:08:26

office. Jimmy Carter, you know, who's now a beloved X

1:08:29

president. But it wasn't at the time.

1:08:31

George W. Bush actually saw a rehabilitation

1:08:33

of sorts years after he left

1:08:35

office. And now I think people think Trump

1:08:37

is so unique in the annals of politics.

1:08:40

Well, the same dynamic that affected other unpopular

1:08:42

former presidents has actually also

1:08:45

benefited Trump, his numbers, at

1:08:47

least especially when it comes to policy. I think a lot of

1:08:49

people who have been suffering through

1:08:52

high inflation, who have not been

1:08:54

better off economically than they were

1:08:56

four years ago, are having rosier

1:08:58

perspectives of when Trump was president.

1:09:00

You see this in – people

1:09:02

actually agreed with his policies. I

1:09:04

think it's more policy-based than personality-based.

1:09:06

Certainly Trump's favorable is pretty low.

1:09:09

But yeah, like this is a tendency

1:09:11

that happens when absence makes the

1:09:13

heart grow fonder. And Trump is – there's another dynamic

1:09:16

guy that's like, well, you don't see Trump in court

1:09:18

when he's not on the television screens

1:09:20

and Biden spending more time in the news.

1:09:22

It actually helps Donald Trump. Sometimes that absence

1:09:24

of the time from when he actually was

1:09:27

president is benefiting his favorability and his ability

1:09:29

to make this come back. Yeah, it's just

1:09:31

amazing, though, that you have the former president

1:09:33

– it's not like years down the line.

1:09:35

People were like, okay, we're feeling warmer

1:09:38

towards him now because he's been gone. He's

1:09:41

an active candidate. He's the

1:09:43

presumptive nominee of the Republican Party. He's on

1:09:46

trial in New York with that getting saturation

1:09:48

coverage. And with all of that in play

1:09:50

and Trump railing against the judge and all

1:09:52

these things that he does do, they are

1:09:54

still looking at the four years of his

1:09:57

presidency and saying, yeah, that was actually better.

1:10:00

than we are right now and the situation

1:10:02

that we're experiencing at the moment, that is

1:10:04

a dynamic that has cut thus far in

1:10:06

his favor and a significant role. Ross

1:10:08

Crosshour, I want to turn to an issue

1:10:10

that you briefly mentioned earlier in our interview,

1:10:13

which is the determination by

1:10:15

the Biden administration and the president

1:10:18

to basically cut

1:10:20

off military aid to the Israelis if

1:10:22

they engage in this Rafa operation to

1:10:24

finish off Hamas, as the government of

1:10:26

Israel has said they are going to

1:10:28

do. So this started with the pause

1:10:30

of ammunition flowing

1:10:32

to Israel. They stopped that shipment. They

1:10:35

then tried to bury that story for a few

1:10:37

days so they could get the president out there

1:10:39

to talk about the Holocaust and then make

1:10:42

the betrayal more public after that speech, which

1:10:44

I think is just astoundingly

1:10:46

cynical. And then going

1:10:48

even further, in the interview

1:10:51

last night, the president's saying that if the

1:10:53

Israelis go into Rafa, he's going to just

1:10:55

basically cut the cord militarily. I'm

1:10:57

just wondering how you're seeing this,

1:10:59

the reaction that you're gauging out there. I remember

1:11:01

back when I was in Israel a couple

1:11:04

months ago now, when Chuck Schumer

1:11:06

gave the speech that he gave about

1:11:09

almost regime change in Israel, that was

1:11:11

met with shock and kind

1:11:13

of widespread disgust in Israel

1:11:15

and among a lot of pro-Israel people in

1:11:17

the United States. At least

1:11:20

anecdotally, this one feels even

1:11:22

bigger in terms of the reaction. What are you

1:11:25

seeing and hearing? Well, look,

1:11:27

let's put some historical context. President Biden,

1:11:29

in the days and weeks after October

1:11:31

7th, a terrorist attack that

1:11:33

Hamas launched against Israel, Biden

1:11:36

pledged to defeat Hamas, to support

1:11:38

the Israeli government in taking out

1:11:40

Hamas. Israel has had

1:11:42

quite a few successes on the battlefield, but their

1:11:44

last stronghold is in Rafa. That

1:11:46

is where the last four battalions of

1:11:48

terror leadership is holed up, and that's been Israel's

1:11:51

mission to finish the job, to actually defeat Hamas

1:11:53

militarily. And what Biden said last night, and they've

1:11:55

been giving hints about this for a while, but

1:11:57

this is the most extraordinary thing we've ever seen.

1:12:00

explicit comment that the president himself has made

1:12:02

is that we're going to cut off offensive

1:12:04

military support if you go into RAPA, if

1:12:06

you actually do what we supported you and

1:12:08

what we wanted you to do in the

1:12:10

first place. So yeah,

1:12:13

I mean, not only is that a change

1:12:15

in policy explicitly, but it makes you wonder,

1:12:17

like, where is the pressure on Hamas? But

1:12:19

what—especially after giving that speech, I thought

1:12:22

it was a well-received speech at the

1:12:24

Holocaust Museum talking about Hamas as sort

1:12:26

of the ideological defendant of the Nazis

1:12:29

and the eliminationist ideology that they bring,

1:12:31

and to then not put any—not make mention

1:12:33

of Hamas, by the way, guy in the

1:12:35

interview, not to talk about the hostages that

1:12:37

are currently being held, including five

1:12:39

Americans, and not to put

1:12:41

the pressure on Hamas. I mean, there's a

1:12:43

real—not just pro-Israel folks, it's people who care

1:12:45

about American foreign policy and wondering if this

1:12:47

White House knows who's the good guy and

1:12:49

who's the bad guy. And

1:12:51

when you don't put the pressure on the terrorist group and you're

1:12:54

putting pressure on your ally, it makes everything

1:12:56

seem upside down from a moral and

1:12:58

political perspective. So there are a lot

1:13:00

of Democrats, pro-Israel Democrats in

1:13:03

Congress who are raising that same question. They're

1:13:05

asking, and Jewish insider this

1:13:08

week, we talked to Congressman

1:13:10

Moskowitz who said, you know, where's the pressure

1:13:12

on Hamas? And you have John Federman, you

1:13:14

know the names of Democrats on the Hill

1:13:16

that are really scratching their heads about what

1:13:18

this Biden strategy is all about. I think

1:13:20

privately they think this is about appeasing the

1:13:22

far left elements of the Democratic caucus at

1:13:24

the expense of the vast middle who support

1:13:27

Israel and want to come out to be

1:13:29

defeated. I think there's no

1:13:31

question about that. It's selling out an

1:13:33

ally and protecting a terrorist group that's

1:13:35

holding Americans hostages for domestic coalition

1:13:38

politics concerns, which is about as

1:13:40

revolting as it gets. Josh

1:13:42

Krasauer, our guest on The Guy Benson Show.

1:13:44

Josh, thank you so much for your time.

1:13:47

Thanks, guys. Final hour of The

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I'm here in Alaska with Americans for

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Prosperity, doing a number of events, talking

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And you know what? Maybe we

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with an Alaskan, Kimberly

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The Biden Malay's, also highly relevant. Kim,

1:15:33

it is great to talk to you, and I cannot wait

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to see you later on this evening. Well,

1:15:38

we can't wait to see you, Guy. Welcome

1:15:40

to Alaska. I hope you're enjoying it. I

1:15:44

very much am. It is a beautiful place

1:15:46

filled with wonderful people. You know this, of

1:15:48

course, very well. All right, Kim, let's talk

1:15:50

about Bidenomics and the way that the president

1:15:52

is defending the economy right now In

1:15:55

the CNN interview that he gave last night,

1:15:57

that's getting tons of attention on the Israel

1:15:59

side of things. the and perhaps we'll have

1:16:01

time to get to that. He was sending

1:16:04

off some tough questions about his economic performance.

1:16:06

The American people are deeply unimpressed based on

1:16:08

all of the polls. So for example, here's

1:16:10

part of his spin and cut. Thirty One.

1:16:13

No prisoners had to Rihanna

1:16:15

credit card. And down

1:16:17

of my was my personal on a candle. My.

1:16:20

Percent for most people have a right

1:16:22

to be concerned. So that last part

1:16:24

was kind of try to do i

1:16:27

feel your pain But leading up to

1:16:29

it was this triumphant story about job

1:16:31

creation and then can correct me if

1:16:33

I'm wrong. An absolute lie. That.

1:16:35

He inherited nine percent inflation He

1:16:38

did not correct. The

1:16:40

total lie inflation when he came to

1:16:42

office was under two percent. I think

1:16:44

one point for maybe one point Six,

1:16:47

definitely under two percent so that it's

1:16:49

just complete nonsense. And also if you

1:16:51

go and look at completion in that

1:16:53

did not really start to get rolling

1:16:56

until after the democrats had passed their

1:16:58

massive blow out spending goals in his

1:17:00

first months of office. And that makes

1:17:03

sense, because that's obviously what was behind

1:17:05

that massive inflation. Then. On

1:17:07

the issue of prices being off which of

1:17:09

course is. Directly.

1:17:11

One hundred percent tied to inflation. Based.

1:17:14

On a question or red plaid from

1:17:16

Cnn, Biden went off into this other

1:17:18

sort of side note about shrink flesh

1:17:21

and blaming corporate greed. So passing the

1:17:23

buck cut thirty five. There's a real

1:17:25

pain and means grocery prices are up.

1:17:28

Thirty. Percent more than Thirty

1:17:30

percent of it. Since the beginning of

1:17:33

the pandemic and people Spain warned food and groceries

1:17:35

and they have any time really in the past

1:17:37

thirty years mean as a real date, as a

1:17:39

team that people. Know the

1:17:41

will release. And. His

1:17:43

freedom. Of. The fact is that.

1:17:47

You take a look and with him and people

1:17:49

have the have the money to spend as angers

1:17:51

them and angers me the have to spend more

1:17:53

per sample. The. Whole idea of this

1:17:55

notion of that some cases of a

1:17:57

shrink flesh. Are

1:18:00

you from price or smaller? Bottle of

1:18:02

those wonderful example stickers more to do

1:18:04

the same and five twenty percent less

1:18:07

the same price. As corporate

1:18:09

greed. Corporate greed.

1:18:11

Or it's emphasize greed or

1:18:13

cam. But. First he says look, the

1:18:15

people have the money to spend Again he can't

1:18:17

help himself. But. To say oh well.

1:18:20

Yes, the prices are high, but people have

1:18:22

the money to spend. I think a lot

1:18:24

of people would take issue with that characterization.

1:18:26

And then he turns to. Greedy.

1:18:28

Corporations giving people. Smaller.

1:18:31

Amounts of, let's say, potato chips in a

1:18:33

bag and then charging the same shrinks late

1:18:36

and that's on them. Just. More

1:18:38

blame shift from the author and

1:18:40

the owner of Biden Omics and

1:18:43

Bite Inflation. And this

1:18:45

is what he has done since the

1:18:47

day he's been an office. I mean

1:18:49

remember guy at first inflation was supposedly

1:18:51

because or supply chain issues to do

1:18:53

with Kobe and then it was prudence

1:18:55

price hike because it is invasion in

1:18:57

Ukraine. We had the corporate greed or

1:19:00

number of times As you just noted.

1:19:02

In your friends at all. I don't

1:19:04

forget transitory, transitory. Transitory. He's now also

1:19:06

claiming apparently that he inherited all birds,

1:19:08

which is just as a blatant lie,

1:19:10

they can never accept what they really

1:19:12

did year, which is massive amounts of

1:19:15

spending okay which by the way, it

1:19:17

has also than that required that Fed

1:19:19

to step in and raise interest rates

1:19:21

to try to get things under control

1:19:23

that feeding and by the way, too

1:19:26

high housing prices. And you can talk

1:19:28

all you want about potato chips but

1:19:30

it doesn't explain service prices for instance,

1:19:32

a used car prices for instance, out.

1:19:34

Clothing prices and mean this cannot be

1:19:36

put down. A. Corporate. Greed or

1:19:38

have that, the sheer numbers so

1:19:41

a steady. Increase Inflation which by the

1:19:43

way has not ended. Inflation is still going

1:19:45

up. It's just not going up at the

1:19:47

runway. It was going not before and people

1:19:49

need to understand that as well to he

1:19:52

does not have inflation under control. It's not

1:19:54

as wildly out of control. As. Before but we

1:19:56

are not on top of that. There were so going

1:19:58

the wrong direction. The. problem is compounding

1:20:00

for people, it's getting worse and

1:20:02

more painful because the increased inflation,

1:20:04

the increased cost is building on

1:20:07

top of everything that we've

1:20:09

already experienced. And I kind of wonder, actually

1:20:11

thinking about this for just half a second,

1:20:13

Kim, do you think that Biden would

1:20:16

prefer that these greedy corporations, rather

1:20:18

than engaging in what they call

1:20:20

shrinkflation and sort of giving

1:20:22

people smaller portions of the product

1:20:24

for the same price, would he

1:20:26

prefer that they keep the

1:20:29

product exactly the same and increase

1:20:32

the price, the commensurate amount? Because

1:20:34

that would, I think, make people

1:20:36

feel the problem even more acutely.

1:20:38

So if he's mad about this

1:20:41

kind of hiding the football or

1:20:43

this sort of maneuvering to

1:20:45

try to mask how

1:20:47

bad inflation is, fine. Like

1:20:50

make everything exactly the same as it was in 2019 in

1:20:52

terms of the size of the product. Of

1:20:55

the portions that people get or whatever they're buying

1:20:57

and jack up the price even more. Is

1:21:00

that what he wants? I just don't understand. Is he really thinking

1:21:02

this through at all? Well, you put your finger

1:21:04

on a really important point here, a

1:21:06

business finance and economics point. Is

1:21:09

it companies are also trying to deal

1:21:11

with the consequences of this economy in

1:21:13

this administration's policies. And when

1:21:16

you have labor costs that are going

1:21:18

up, supply costs that are going up,

1:21:20

you face a choice. Either raise your

1:21:22

prices, as you say, or in a

1:21:24

case, as we know from some corporations

1:21:26

instead they are slightly lowering portion amounts

1:21:28

to try to maintain prices. We've seen

1:21:30

what's happened, for instance, in restaurants. We

1:21:32

know how much the price of meals are

1:21:35

going up because often they don't have the

1:21:37

ability to simply cut the portions that they

1:21:39

are giving you a hamburger as a hamburger,

1:21:41

right? You can't have half of a hamburger.

1:21:44

And so we've had a big discussion in

1:21:46

this country about the soaring price of going out

1:21:48

to eat. And by the way, business

1:21:50

owners do not like to do this because they

1:21:52

know it risks customers. And

1:21:54

it hurts their business overall, but they have to

1:21:56

deal with these price hikes themselves in one way,

1:21:59

shape or form. or form, and the

1:22:01

president is just belying a fundamental ignorance

1:22:03

of economics when he glides past all

1:22:06

of that. Kimberly Schrassel, let's talk

1:22:08

about another element of

1:22:11

this election, which is the law

1:22:13

fair or the prosecutions

1:22:16

of Donald Trump and these trials. And I

1:22:18

happen to think that some of

1:22:20

the charges against him are much more earned and

1:22:23

legitimate than others. You also

1:22:25

look at the timeline of these various trials. I

1:22:27

think it does not benefit the anti-Trump crowd that

1:22:29

first out of the gate is

1:22:31

this unbelievably politicized, weak, almost

1:22:35

astoundingly abusive case. And we were

1:22:37

talking with Kerry Urbaut about this,

1:22:39

Fox's legal editor earlier. Whatever

1:22:42

comes out of the New York trial, I

1:22:44

think it is tainted in the eyes of

1:22:46

so many Americans because for all the protestations

1:22:48

we hear from Trump, throughout his life that

1:22:50

everything's rigged against him when it doesn't go

1:22:52

his way, he's right on this one, in

1:22:54

my view. I think of most people.

1:22:57

Then there are some of these other trials. Down

1:23:00

in Georgia you have naughty Fannie Willis,

1:23:02

who is now awaiting an appeals court's

1:23:04

decision about whether she can even stay

1:23:06

on the case, given her huge ethics

1:23:08

problems and her conduct and apparent potential

1:23:10

perjury pertaining

1:23:14

to this case. That

1:23:16

overall prosecution has been delayed as well,

1:23:18

so it's unclear if we're going to

1:23:20

get to that this year, the election

1:23:22

year. Then the judge down

1:23:24

in Florida, in one of the federal

1:23:26

cases, the documents case and the obstruction

1:23:28

case, which I think is actually pretty

1:23:30

strong against Trump, setting aside

1:23:33

the fact that DOJ did not prosecute

1:23:35

Hillary Clinton for similar abuses,

1:23:37

and Joe Biden, of course, off the hook

1:23:39

for his flagrant mishandling of

1:23:41

classified material, that's a political point.

1:23:44

Legally speaking, it's a pretty strong case

1:23:46

against Trump, but that one has now

1:23:48

been indefinitely delayed as well for various

1:23:50

reasons. So maybe we won't get to

1:23:52

it before election day either. Are

1:23:54

all of the eggs now in the basket

1:23:56

of Alvin Bragg in this garbage case, at

1:23:58

least in terms the election with

1:24:01

a jury outcome and a potential

1:24:03

conviction? Well, you know, this is

1:24:05

actually my column. It should be up later tonight. And

1:24:09

the argument is, you know, the old proverb, live

1:24:11

by the sword, die by the sword. Democrats

1:24:14

made a decision last year that they

1:24:16

could have confronted their very weak nominee,

1:24:18

who was Joe Biden, and

1:24:21

tried to win this election the old-fashioned way by getting

1:24:23

someone better and backing away from

1:24:25

unpopular progressive policies, or they could choose

1:24:27

a lawfare strategy, which

1:24:30

is a politically risky bet, and

1:24:32

now they've been living by that strategy. And

1:24:34

as this thing now collapses in front of

1:24:37

them, I mean, it could still turn out

1:24:39

something somewhere, but this is

1:24:41

not going as planned. And,

1:24:44

you know, the own goals here, I

1:24:46

think, are really, really worth noting. You

1:24:49

were talking about the Jack Smith cases.

1:24:51

I would point out that if Jack

1:24:53

Smith had decided to actually deal with

1:24:55

this overriding and important

1:24:57

question of presidential immunity at the start of his

1:24:59

January 6 case, he might not be facing the

1:25:01

delays he is now. If

1:25:04

he had decided, for instance, to

1:25:06

go with a straight-up obstruction charge

1:25:08

in the classified documents case instead

1:25:10

of grandly charging into this uncharted

1:25:12

territory of classified documents, which

1:25:14

has led to all kinds of complicated pretrial

1:25:16

motions, and that is delaying that, if

1:25:20

Fannie Williston hurt romantic relationship, which has

1:25:22

made that case a farce, so

1:25:24

yes, now they are left with what

1:25:26

even liberal legal scholars have

1:25:28

acknowledged is the weakest case of them

1:25:31

all, a joke and

1:25:33

garbage case, which, by the way, was hugely

1:25:35

compounded the problems this week, and the judge

1:25:37

allowed Stormy Daniels to take the stand and

1:25:40

tell the jury a bunch of stuff that

1:25:42

even the judge acknowledges that the jury should

1:25:44

never have heard. It was prejudicial. He's

1:25:48

now said he's going to provide limiting orders to

1:25:50

the jury, which is essentially in order to

1:25:52

unhear what they heard, okay? Ridiculous.

1:25:56

It's an admission that it all went off the

1:25:58

rails, and it's going to be a very— strong

1:26:00

argument for the Trump's team if it gets that

1:26:03

far to

1:26:05

try to get the case dismissed at an appeals

1:26:07

court level if they even get that far. But

1:26:09

I still think there are weaknesses that they may

1:26:11

not get there. But overall, you were correct. We're

1:26:14

looking at this law fair strategy.

1:26:17

It's certainly floundering, if not

1:26:19

collapsing. And Democrats

1:26:21

increasingly are in a situation, there's nothing

1:26:23

they can do now, and they're once

1:26:26

again stuck with little more than

1:26:28

this weak nominee going into this election.

1:26:30

Kimberly Strossall, stand by when we come

1:26:32

back. The president's shocking betrayal

1:26:34

of Israel. We will discuss the

1:26:36

implications when we come back. Same

1:26:39

issues, but with a fresh

1:26:41

perspective. The Guy Benson Show.

1:26:47

Kimberly Strossall is our guest here on

1:26:49

the Guy Benson Show. Kim, let's talk

1:26:51

about Israel and President Biden and what

1:26:53

we're learning about the timeline of events

1:26:56

just over the last couple of days.

1:26:58

It's now been reported that

1:27:00

this not just pause on

1:27:03

one ammunition delivery, a batch of

1:27:05

ammunition to the Israelis, not just

1:27:07

that, but now the double

1:27:10

down by President Biden saying that he

1:27:12

will withhold offensive weapons completely

1:27:14

from the Israelis if they decide to

1:27:16

go into Rafa, as they say they

1:27:18

will, to finish off Hamas,

1:27:20

the terrorist group that attacked them

1:27:23

on October 7th and started this

1:27:25

war that's still holding hostages, including

1:27:27

Americans, this genocidal terrorist group. Israel

1:27:30

wants to finish the job.

1:27:33

Hamas will not surrender. They will not negotiate

1:27:35

in good faith. They will not release these

1:27:38

innocent hostages. And you have the president of

1:27:40

the United States openly threatening

1:27:43

to withhold military aid from this ally

1:27:45

in the middle of

1:27:47

this existential war of survival

1:27:50

for that ally. It

1:27:52

is scandalous unto itself, but now

1:27:54

we learn through various reports that

1:27:57

the administration sought to keep the weapons

1:27:59

to life. The ammunition delay kind of

1:28:01

under wraps until after the

1:28:03

president made his speech about Holocaust Remembrance

1:28:05

Day at the Holocaust Museum, because he

1:28:07

was trying to pander to one group

1:28:10

with that speech. And then they're

1:28:12

going to announce the following pander

1:28:14

to the Pro-Hamas crowd. They're doing this

1:28:16

constantly. I think that's

1:28:18

a really nasty bit of cynical manipulation

1:28:20

that they tried and failed because they're

1:28:22

not good at this. And then a

1:28:24

follow-up. This is from the Washington

1:28:26

Free Beacon, Adam Credo reporting today. Literally

1:28:29

the day before President

1:28:32

Biden announced a freeze on arms sales

1:28:34

to Israel, his administration,

1:28:36

the Biden administration, issued

1:28:38

sanctions waivers allowing arms

1:28:41

sales to Hamas ally Qatar, Lebanon,

1:28:44

and Iraq. The waiver

1:28:46

bypasses sanctions on weapons sales

1:28:48

to countries that boycott Israel.

1:28:50

So within two days you

1:28:53

had a clamp down and

1:28:55

a punishment of Israel, and

1:28:58

then a sanctions waiver

1:29:01

for Israel hostile countries,

1:29:03

including Qatar, which is

1:29:05

harboring Hamas leadership. I don't

1:29:08

even quite know how to process all of

1:29:10

this. Kim, it feels scandalous

1:29:13

and revolting, and it is

1:29:15

just so much worse than

1:29:18

I ever would have imagined we

1:29:20

would be living through with Joe Biden. And I

1:29:23

had a very dim view

1:29:25

of him coming into this presidency. I

1:29:28

did not anticipate this, and yet

1:29:30

here we are. Yeah,

1:29:32

it's craven domestic politics,

1:29:35

and they are doing it despite the very

1:29:37

grave risks, I would say not only to

1:29:40

Israel's national security, but our own. And

1:29:43

the thing that makes no sense whatsoever,

1:29:45

Guy, is that ever

1:29:47

since Israel said that it was going to

1:29:49

go in and take out Hamas, and

1:29:52

we fully backed that endeavor, it

1:29:55

was always going to have to be the

1:29:57

case that they were going to have to

1:29:59

go wherever Hamas was. Hamas was, including Rafah.

1:30:02

So you cannot, on the one hand, if

1:30:04

you are the president of the United States,

1:30:06

say you have Israel's back in this war

1:30:09

against Hamas, and then put these limitations on

1:30:11

their ability to go to the source of

1:30:13

where Hamas's leaders are, where the hostages are,

1:30:15

where there are four military battalions, where

1:30:18

the main crossing is to go into Egypt,

1:30:20

where they are smuggling in all of their

1:30:22

arms and their weapons. This

1:30:24

had to happen. And so

1:30:26

this is a complete pander to domestic

1:30:28

politics. It's plain to Dearborn, OK? And

1:30:30

I have a couple of questions. One

1:30:33

is, where are all the Democrats who

1:30:35

just voted for that Israel aid, who

1:30:37

are now remaining silent or even cheering

1:30:39

this White House for these steps? And

1:30:41

just in terms of our own national

1:30:44

security, to round back to that point,

1:30:46

this is sending a terrible message to

1:30:48

our allies, but also to our enemies,

1:30:51

that we will allow domestic politics

1:30:53

to decide our decisions and

1:30:55

how things work in terms of our

1:30:57

national security, complete pandering

1:31:00

to the Democratic base. And

1:31:02

it is just a terrible message. And

1:31:05

the weird thing to me, too, guys, this

1:31:07

is also this president chasing after these voters

1:31:10

while offending and alienating so many

1:31:12

more Americans who see this as

1:31:14

the crazy act that it is.

1:31:17

No, it's despicable. I don't think I've

1:31:19

been more disgusted with him.

1:31:21

And I've been disgusted with him a number of times over

1:31:23

these last few years. I think

1:31:25

this is peak disgust for now,

1:31:28

but you never know if there'll be a

1:31:30

new low, a new bottom of a barrel

1:31:32

to be scraped at some point with some

1:31:34

of this pandering and these decisions. And he's

1:31:36

doing this in an election year for

1:31:39

domestic political reasons. I think

1:31:41

it's a miscalculation. But the fact that they're doing

1:31:43

it anyway within this mindset and

1:31:45

this kind of hive mind that they've

1:31:47

got going out the White House, it's

1:31:50

just it actually is sickening

1:31:52

to me. And with that, we've

1:31:54

got to leave it there with Kim Strossel,

1:31:56

Potomac Watch columnist at the Wall Street Journal.

1:31:58

She's a Fox News contributor. She's a

1:32:00

best-selling author. Her latest book is The Biden

1:32:02

Malays, and I will be a house guest

1:32:04

at her home tonight here in Alaska, and

1:32:06

I cannot wait. Thank you in advance for

1:32:08

that, Kamen. We will talk soon, and I

1:32:10

will see you soon. Can't wait, see you

1:32:12

soon. The Guy Benson Show continues

1:32:14

here on the Happy Hour after this

1:32:16

break. Same

1:32:27

issues, but with a fresh perspective.

1:32:29

The Guy Benson Show. Earlier on

1:32:31

today's program, we welcomed back to

1:32:34

the show US Senator Dan Sullivan,

1:32:36

a Republican from Alaska. We're

1:32:38

doing the show from here this week,

1:32:40

so that seemed appropriate. We had a

1:32:43

good conversation around energy, Alaska issues, and

1:32:45

just the world generally with Senator Sullivan.

1:32:47

Here's part of that discussion. If the

1:32:49

goal is to get to a ceasefire

1:32:51

that Israel can agree to, this

1:32:54

just eliminates Israel's

1:32:57

leverage in those negotiations. And look, Hamas

1:32:59

doesn't want to negotiate in good faith.

1:33:01

That's very clear. But if that's the

1:33:03

goal, this kills what

1:33:06

Israel is trying to do, leverage-wise

1:33:08

at the negotiating table. And if

1:33:10

you're going to then withhold precision

1:33:12

munitions from the Israelis, then

1:33:14

the munitions that they do use might

1:33:16

be less precise. So if the whole

1:33:19

pretense is that you're worried about

1:33:22

civilian casualties in Rafa, you're likely

1:33:24

guaranteeing more of them with this

1:33:26

move. It just, in every single

1:33:28

way, it looks like an

1:33:31

insane thing to do from our perspective,

1:33:33

from the American perspective,

1:33:35

unless you are looking through the

1:33:38

view and through the kind

1:33:40

of lens of

1:33:43

pandering to a small group

1:33:46

of people who hate

1:33:48

Israel and hate the United

1:33:50

States because you feel like you need

1:33:52

their votes. I don't see another explanation,

1:33:54

truly. I couldn't agree

1:33:56

with you more. And what you

1:33:58

just said, When

1:34:02

you just unpack this, just

1:34:05

again, baffling

1:34:09

decision is that

1:34:12

to your point, it's undermining

1:34:14

leverage for a ceasefire. You

1:34:17

literally just flush that down the toilet and

1:34:22

it increases the potential

1:34:24

for civilian deaths

1:34:28

and casualties in

1:34:30

the West Bank. So look,

1:34:33

I think you just laid it out. This

1:34:35

is driven by the

1:34:37

president's far left Democrat

1:34:41

politics where

1:34:43

he thinks he needs

1:34:45

to appease the most radical

1:34:48

elements. Really, let's

1:34:50

call it what it is, guy. It's

1:34:53

the Hamas

1:34:55

sympathizers within the

1:34:57

Democratic Party and that's

1:35:01

what's driving this decision. Yeah,

1:35:05

it's deeply offensive to me as someone

1:35:07

who loves this country and supports Israel.

1:35:09

I'm sure it's perhaps even more deeply

1:35:11

offensive to you as a retired colonel

1:35:13

in the U.S. Marine Corps. So

1:35:16

many people are just aghast shaking their

1:35:18

heads bewildered that this is reality, but

1:35:20

it is under Joe Biden. And

1:35:22

here's a theme to transition to our next topic

1:35:24

here, Senator, in the time that we have left.

1:35:27

I think that a lot of the

1:35:29

horrible decisions being made by this president are

1:35:32

rooted in pressure coming

1:35:34

from his hard left and

1:35:36

he's unable to resist it. Whether he's afraid of

1:35:38

them or whether he's just out to lunch and

1:35:40

other people are pulling the strings, whatever it is,

1:35:43

that's what's driving the bus here

1:35:46

on this disgraceful Israel betrayal. And

1:35:48

also what's driving the bus, I think, on a lot of these green

1:35:51

energy type decisions. And when

1:35:55

it comes to energy production,

1:35:57

regulations, environmental policy, he's he

1:36:00

has really been co-opted by

1:36:02

the pretty extreme left over and

1:36:04

over again on those

1:36:07

issues as well which have direct

1:36:09

impact, disproportionate impact here in the

1:36:11

state of Alaska. Just speaking to

1:36:13

some Alaskans last night who were

1:36:15

very upset with him, they feel

1:36:18

like this administration, this president has

1:36:20

a target specifically on

1:36:22

their back, on this state, on

1:36:24

their livelihoods. I know you agree

1:36:26

with that assessment. Can you explain

1:36:28

to the lower 48 why

1:36:31

that's the case? Well look, you're

1:36:33

100% right. The far

1:36:35

left radical wing of the

1:36:38

Democratic Party is driving this

1:36:40

crazy anti-Israel pro-Hamas policy. It's

1:36:43

driving the open border policy by the way.

1:36:46

And it's driving the Biden

1:36:48

administration's war on Alaska. Guy,

1:36:51

we have had 63 executive

1:36:54

orders and executive actions counting.

1:36:57

You never know when we're going to get a new one. Singularly

1:37:00

focused on Alaska from

1:37:03

this administration. 63,

1:37:06

it is a daily onslaught. I

1:37:08

have pressed the president directly to

1:37:11

his face, handing him this handout

1:37:14

that I have called the Last

1:37:16

Frontier Lockup that actually lays out

1:37:18

each of the 63. And

1:37:21

I've said, Mr. President, we need

1:37:23

to cease fire on the war

1:37:25

on Alaska. You

1:37:27

are sanctioning Alaska, particularly

1:37:30

in terms of our energy sector, much

1:37:32

more than you sanction the terrorists in

1:37:35

Iran. Like that

1:37:37

is not a joke. That is a fact.

1:37:39

And when this happens, of course it

1:37:42

hurts Alaskans in our future,

1:37:44

in our economy, in our jobs. But

1:37:47

to your point, Guy, every

1:37:49

American should be concerned about

1:37:51

this because as

1:37:53

I'm sure you're seeing when you're

1:37:55

in Alaska, we are such a

1:37:57

storehouse for American energy, for American

1:37:59

critical minerals for so many things

1:38:01

that makes us a strong country.

1:38:03

And when you shut us down,

1:38:06

yes, you're hurting Alaskans, but you're

1:38:08

hurting Americans, you're hurting one of

1:38:11

our critical strengths, and

1:38:13

this is driven by the far left.

1:38:15

By the way, almost all the actions

1:38:17

they've taken are also fully illegal. Congress

1:38:20

has legislated in a lot of these

1:38:22

areas saying, don't do this. He

1:38:24

does it. And one more thing I

1:38:27

think it's really important to emphasize. You

1:38:29

know, he shut down what was called the

1:38:31

National Petroleum Reserve of Alaska. It was set

1:38:33

aside by Congress for oil

1:38:35

and gas development just a couple weeks ago.

1:38:38

And when he did that, he

1:38:41

literally said the President of the United

1:38:43

States, I'm doing this on behalf of

1:38:45

what the Alaska Native people, the indigenous

1:38:47

people in that part of

1:38:50

Alaska, the North Slope region of Alaska,

1:38:52

I'm doing it for them. I'm doing it because

1:38:54

they want this guy.

1:38:57

That is an out and out lie

1:39:00

by the President, the great patriotic

1:39:02

indigenous people of the North Slope

1:39:04

of Alaska don't want anything like

1:39:07

this. My full

1:39:09

interview with Dan Sullivan, US Senator

1:39:11

from Alaska available online at guybensonshow.com

1:39:14

or foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you

1:39:17

get your podcasts. Well,

1:39:19

producer Christine was at

1:39:21

a children's volleyball game this week

1:39:24

and she got the old heave ho. We

1:39:27

need some details on this. What went down?

1:39:29

She will report when we come back. Always

1:39:32

fresh, always fair. The Guy

1:39:35

Benson Show. It's

1:39:44

the home stretch on The Guy

1:39:47

Benson Show on this Thursday from

1:39:49

Fairbanks, Alaska, heading back

1:39:51

to a slightly more southern location

1:39:53

in the state after the

1:39:55

show today. Thanks for tuning in. No matter

1:39:58

where we are, no matter how close

1:40:00

to the Arctic Circle we might be,

1:40:03

the podcast is still always

1:40:05

free. It's always on demand

1:40:07

and always at guybensonshow.com or

1:40:10

foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you get

1:40:12

your podcasts. So

1:40:14

we hinted at this yesterday, sort of teased

1:40:16

it a little bit. Producer

1:40:19

Christine apparently was ejected,

1:40:22

thrown out of a

1:40:24

volleyball game involving her daughter.

1:40:28

And I was just made aware of

1:40:30

this in the most sort of quick

1:40:33

cursory way. I have no details. I don't

1:40:36

know why this happened. I don't

1:40:38

even know when it happened. So Christine,

1:40:40

who of course offered this detail, so

1:40:42

we have to talk about it, is here to

1:40:45

give us the play-by-play. Christine, set the scene

1:40:47

for us. Okay.

1:40:50

So my husband is the coach

1:40:52

of Meghan's volleyball team. And

1:40:56

we had a away game in Northern

1:40:59

New Jersey. I believe it or not, I

1:41:02

live in North Jersey and there's even more of

1:41:04

a North Jersey, an hour north. So,

1:41:07

and it was a late game. It started

1:41:09

at 8pm, which I think is crazy. But

1:41:12

we get that. Is it a school night? Yes.

1:41:15

It was on a school night. But

1:41:17

we get there. The girls

1:41:20

do great. They win.

1:41:24

And although Meghan, not her best

1:41:26

game, and Bobby pulled her out of the

1:41:29

game and she did not speak to us almost

1:41:31

the whole ride home. She stared out the window.

1:41:33

But we had to explain to her, just

1:41:35

because you're the coach's daughter, if you're not

1:41:37

playing well, then you get bench. And that's

1:41:39

just it. Like, you're not going to

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be the best at everything. And I think it's a good life lesson for

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her too. But anyway, I

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digress. So the game