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Welcome to Guys, We Fucked. Guys.

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We guys book. I'm

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Christina, I'm Karren. We're sorry about

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last night the anti sluck shaming

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podcast. I never stopped.

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Hey everyone, I'm doing Welcome

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to Guys, We Fucked. It's a

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podcast we do. I'm Karren Fisher, Christina

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Hutchinson. Um,

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I forgot to get a news article, so

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we're gonna well, uh,

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we've I one of us has watched part of the Michael

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Jackson documentary Leaving Neverland. It's okay,

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you can tell the people that I have. And I'm sorry. I was

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up crying over a personal issue, so I couldn't

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cry over selfish bitch.

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I couldn't. I couldn't cry over pedophilia

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on my Sunday night. And I apologize. So

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you know, sometimes you gotta pick one. Yeah,

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and and and it's and it's and sometimes

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it's not the pedophilia. It's not the guy who

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everyone's it's he's a lot of people's heroes.

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Well it was or is and you know what, Also to

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um, Roxanne Gay wrote a really great article

1:00

about separating the art from the artist and

1:03

when people can do that and why people can do

1:05

that and all that stuff. Um, I thought

1:07

it was a really great read. And uh,

1:09

and a lot of people obviously

1:11

look up to Michael Jackson and

1:14

and it's understandable that you if you still love his music,

1:17

So who the funko was? Microcene tweeted

1:19

like, how the good news is you could still listen to the Jackson

1:21

five because he wasn't a pedophile man, he

1:25

was, I mean, he was getting Yeah,

1:28

so I've only watched part of the first episode,

1:30

so this is not like a complete, you

1:32

know, summary of what happened. And also

1:34

that we're recording this on Monday before the podcast is

1:36

released. So also, yeah,

1:41

we did to it, but we did. We I've watched part

1:43

of it and boy, oh boy, you guys, Yeah

1:46

he had sex with kids. Uh, he had sex

1:48

with children, And it

1:51

is a very detailed account and

1:54

it's Um, people being

1:56

molested is something that I was made

1:58

aware of. It's been happening since the geting of time,

2:00

specifically children being molested and just

2:03

people in general. Um, And

2:05

it was something that I was made aware of since

2:07

doing this podcast. I would gauge.

2:10

I feel like, and this is not an accurate

2:12

statistic, but it seems to me from

2:15

everyone I know in real life and people that have emailed

2:17

us sorry about last night show at gmail dot com

2:19

that a lot of people have been molested as children.

2:22

A lot of people, a lot of people have experienced

2:25

some type of sexual misconduct as a child,

2:27

and it's that's fucking terrible, And the

2:29

one good thing that I'm excited about

2:32

is that we're talking about it. Um. Yeah,

2:34

it's weird because like growing up, I mean, like I don't, I

2:36

don't, and to this day, I don't know any of like my

2:38

personal friends who have been

2:40

molested. So I mean, I guess, I guess I just needed

2:43

a hotter friends Justin Justin,

2:45

Oh, yeah, I didn't know him as a kid, so

2:48

I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know why my

2:50

childhood friends have But the thing is, you

2:52

don't know because people keep that stuff to themselves.

2:54

I didn't know my own mother was molested at age

2:56

eleven by people came

2:58

on this fucking podcast, right, So

3:01

oh yeah that's true. Well I want my

3:04

folks to come on. I want my my mom. I

3:06

don't think can't because of her job. But like my

3:09

dad, actually will I told him to prep someself.

3:11

Oh that's fun. My dad's a real character.

3:14

I love your trying to do stand up probably

3:16

really, I mean not actually like in public,

3:18

but I'm saying like on the podcast, he'll he'll definitely

3:21

is he Stormy Daniels Jesus, Oh

3:23

my god, I'm sorry. Oh no, that I thought

3:25

I spit on you. And then I was like, that's a lot of spitting our guys. You

3:27

just me on yourself.

3:31

Okay, that was just me missing the straw.

3:33

So yeah, I've watched parts of Leaving

3:35

Neverland Michael Jackson had sexual

3:37

intercourse with children? Is it on? Um

3:40

it's HBO, but I have the Hulu thing where

3:42

you get all the things. Um, so

3:45

yeah, um

3:47

yeah. A lot of people

3:49

have been molested and you know what I

3:52

think that's talking about. It

3:54

is so important for the person who was

3:56

molested, I think, or anybody's experienced

3:58

trauma. You know, I'm on a cell of help gig well. And especially

4:01

because for this one, um, it's you know, male

4:03

survivors, which there is you know, a real stigma.

4:06

I mean there's a there's a thing against all

4:08

survivors and you know, specifically

4:10

I think Maile survivors have a little bit more trouble

4:13

coming out because for some reason

4:15

there is like embarrassment because

4:17

the masculinity is treated like this fucking

4:20

like like night's shield that

4:22

can never be penetrated, and that's not

4:24

what that is. And then it's the second layer of

4:26

like you know, so it's pedophilia, and then it's

4:28

like homeless homosexuality, right,

4:31

and then there's homophobia that goes over that.

4:34

And a lot of times when people get molested, they

4:36

they're genitals are act

4:38

as if they are aroused because that's a defense mechanism,

4:41

and that that sucks you up, especially

4:43

if you don't know that that's what happens. So

4:47

and sometimes you were oppressed that Like I've been with people

4:49

who it was like repressed for years and

4:52

then they find out. It's fascinating

4:54

the way the mind works around trauma in the way.

4:56

But these interviews were very thorough

4:59

and these men, these grown men who

5:01

had were molested and assaulted

5:04

and raped yea by Michael Jackson.

5:06

You know what the weird thing is he seemed

5:09

um And I don't know this is

5:11

gonna be weird to say, but like a like

5:14

a gentle pedophile, like a

5:16

loving pedophile. I can see that because I mean,

5:18

I think that was that's weird, but I have to defend

5:21

him, and I haven't watched it yet, but like, I

5:23

feel like Michael Jackson was so fucked up

5:25

and so like did not have the chance

5:27

to be a child. So yeah,

5:31

I mean he was. I feel like he

5:33

was just acting like a child. It was almost

5:35

like what's that movie thro Robin William's Jack So

5:38

that you have an adult body but your mind is still

5:40

that of a child. Because one of the little boys that

5:42

they interviewed him as a grown man and his mother

5:45

and he would come Michael Jackson would just come over

5:47

their house and like hang out like

5:49

yo. And but at the time, it's fucking

5:52

Michael Jackson one of the greatest entertainers on

5:54

the face of the planet, ardless

5:56

of these this terrible thing that he was

5:58

doing. Uh, hopefully

6:01

people like like I believe people like Corey

6:03

Feldman now, you know, because like a lot of times they were just like,

6:05

actually message and me didn't message me back. It's fine,

6:08

I don't Corey dealing

6:10

with some heavy stuff. No, But like you know, because

6:12

you know he was, you know that that we were we

6:14

were so quick to be like, oh, Corey

6:16

Feldman is crazy, and I

6:19

always you know I love a deep dive into celebrities.

6:21

Like I've been looking it up and I'm always like, I

6:23

don't think that's not the kind of

6:25

thing that you make up. No, you

6:27

know it's not. And I know I know

6:30

that there's been many cases of people, um,

6:32

not making up an assault

6:35

to sexual assault. Um, I've had

6:37

other stuff because I refer to things as a real Jessie

6:39

now oh yeah, yeah,

6:42

well that's fucking infuriating because he's not doing

6:44

any favors to too many

6:46

communities. UM, but yeah,

6:49

um, I don't know, that's just

6:52

watch it. It's fucked up, and if you

6:54

are easily triggered, if you're someone who has experienced

6:56

that, I don't recommend you watch it. I

6:58

heard this one was like a little bit more or like

7:00

graphic and yet triggering than the because

7:03

I was I was prepared for a lot with the R Kelly And while

7:05

it was, I mean, you know I was that took

7:07

up, you know, a good full weekend of my life,

7:10

you know, taking ham written notes about it. I wasn't.

7:13

It didn't like bother me like

7:16

like a n stories that we've heard. I didn't specific

7:19

stories about R Kelly, but I've heard stories.

7:21

And also I think we knew what was coming, like we knew

7:23

it was coming a little bit more. I didn't,

7:26

you know. The other thing that sucked me up a little bit.

7:28

So while watching this Michael Jackson thing, you

7:30

know everybody, those were the allegations

7:33

were that he molested kids and stuff.

7:35

And I never looked into them because I didn't want

7:37

to know. I didn't want to he was just like sleeping

7:40

in a bed with them. I didn't. Yeah,

7:43

but I did not personally look into

7:45

all of that. I didn't research it. I didn't want

7:48

to know. I remember when we were hanging out with

7:50

Devin Retrey, who played Buzz.

7:52

I thought you were Michael Jackson and I was like, Christina,

7:54

I wasn't invited to that

7:57

said, I was hanging out with my ex, but I was with Michael

7:59

Jackson. Know um. Devin Retree who

8:01

played Buzz on Home Alone, one of the greatest

8:03

movies of all time. Remember he told

8:06

us he was like, yeah, Mac and him would

8:08

hang out like Michael would come to his trailer. I

8:10

remember that, and he like, yeah,

8:13

yeah, yah, sorry, we're yeah.

8:15

I call him Mac too because I don't um.

8:18

And I remember him telling me that I was like,

8:21

let's talk about something else. And you know,

8:23

I was part of the It's so strange.

8:25

It's like, I mean, I don't know if you watch did you watch Abducted

8:28

in Plain Sight? No? Everyone's telling me about that too.

8:31

So another thing that's happening in there is like, yo, hey,

8:33

if you have a kid and then there's

8:35

an adult who wants to be friends

8:37

with your kid and like, weird in your kid's

8:40

room alone. No, that's not okay.

8:42

Oh is that what happening abducted in playing stuff?

8:44

Yeah? That that's not abducted in playing site. That's

8:46

Hey, don't let your child hang out with a kid. Just

8:48

had a full on mail adult friend. She's

8:50

a little girl, Yo, No

8:53

little girls that Hey,

8:55

what did we say? No girl? Man wants to

8:57

be your friend? Oh? Man? That meme got so much

8:59

my Instagram. I mean you would think you

9:02

would think that I just wrote all Jews

9:04

should die and posted it. That's

9:07

like how that's the level that

9:10

people at

9:12

And I was it metal? My god? Was

9:15

it men um? And that's

9:17

not true. There was a lot of men. There was women mad

9:20

too, And I was like, I'm just everyone's mad.

9:22

Hey, can't we have a little l O L. Guys,

9:27

it sucks. I put a funny Jordan's

9:29

would picture that's hilarious.

9:31

Oh I saw that. This very fine. I mean like these things

9:33

are throwaway jokes and people are responding

9:36

so intensely. I mean I even

9:38

tried to put up a picture of me with a dolphin in

9:40

there. Wish you fucking

9:43

AUNTI whale pasted. I

9:45

don't. I don't know what to do now, guys, I

9:47

don't. I've stopped eating mahi mahi a long

9:50

time ago, soph Yeah,

9:52

like like a take on a dolphin, so

9:56

then I could eat it. J K. I have

9:58

the palate of a twelve year old. I on crustables

10:01

with grape jelly. Hey, come see us live,

10:04

you guys, Saturday March thirtieth.

10:06

That's coming up soon. We're gonna be in Tempe, Arizona.

10:08

And is it Tempe or Tempe. I don't fu

10:11

Tempy Tempe. Something that vegans Tempe

10:14

makes me sound like a pretentious ship, So I'm gonna say

10:16

Tempe, Arizona. Saturday, March thirty

10:18

at the Improv. We're doing two shows but

10:21

one night, and I'm

10:23

not going to make a joke about two girls one cup Indianapolis,

10:26

Indiana. We're gonna be at the Helium

10:28

Comedy Club Thursday, April eighteen.

10:31

I almost forgot about that gig through through

10:36

Saturday April and

10:38

then Boston, Massachusetts.

10:41

Tickets are actually going really fast for this,

10:43

which is what we wanted, and I'm very happy.

10:45

But you gotta go to our website to get them

10:47

now. Friday, May three, Boston,

10:49

Massachusetts. We're gonna do the Wilber Theater again

10:52

for the Women in Comedy Festival. The first time we did

10:54

it sold out. I'm gonna maybe I'll buy

10:56

my parents again because um, they don't

10:58

yell at me for saying things if I sold out

11:01

eleven hundred seater you

11:03

know, low expectations. Parents. Go

11:05

to Sorry about Last Night Comedy dot com

11:07

slash Tours for all the other dates. Also

11:09

New York City, glamor Pus is happening

11:11

Fry Saturday, Saturday,

11:14

March thirty, myself and Wendy's

11:16

Darling Zinc Bar get on it. Um.

11:19

Last month, we had a very soft skinned,

11:21

um male stripper who I think

11:24

was straight. Um, he was just Italian,

11:26

you know. Um. And he took his clothes

11:29

off and he put me on his body and

11:31

it is the best line of my life. I know, I was up sun, I couldn't

11:33

go. I was I was elsewhere.

11:36

Um. And then for me, because Karenna,

11:38

I have a couple uh dates

11:41

that you could visit me in different cities. Baltimore.

11:44

Um, on Thursday, March, I'm

11:46

gonna be at Mgooby's Joke House.

11:50

Yeah. I'm gonna be there with Ayanna Dukie. It's

11:53

gonna be really fun. She's so hilarious

11:55

and talented. Um. And then

11:57

in April, uh, I'm

12:00

going to a wedding and I was like, well, I can't just you

12:02

know, I want to be able to write this trip off. So

12:04

I book some shows around it, and I'll be in Columbus,

12:07

Ohio and Cincinnati, Ohio. I

12:09

think it's April fourth and fifth, Columbus being

12:11

the fourth, uh Sincinnati being

12:13

a fifth. There those are like wineries

12:15

or breweries. Um. Again, you just follow me on social

12:17

media at Philanthropy Gal for all

12:20

that information and I'll get the links

12:22

up on my website, which is Karen Fisher dot

12:25

com. Yeah, and our duo social

12:27

media is sorry about last night, s

12:29

r y about last I'm wite on Twitter. I'm

12:31

Christina Hodge follow us because

12:33

we have a lot of updates. One

12:36

of the updates is an announcement

12:38

we're very excited to make. We

12:40

are joining the

12:42

Luminary family. Um, the

12:45

Luminary sounds like we just announced we're in a cult.

12:48

Oh yeah, no, it's a cult for great things.

12:50

Um, I'm really fucking excited about this.

12:52

Is this huge This guy Matt, his name is Matt

12:55

and uh we met with him a while ago and he fucking

12:57

really is Love's

12:59

podcast asking and wants to take it in a direction

13:01

that's really innovative. Podcasting is a really new

13:03

medium. It's been around for you know,

13:06

a hot minute, but it's considering. Yeah,

13:08

we've gotten ourselves into some real legal pickles.

13:11

Yeah, but also it's so fascinating, Like we

13:13

started this podcast when I knew

13:15

what podcasts were, but they didn't

13:17

the clouds and the respect and the amount

13:20

of ears that are on podcasts or it's huge.

13:22

People are listening to podcasts, I

13:24

feel like more than watching, because there's

13:27

so much fucking content on television now that

13:29

I feel like people I don't know, I've just noticed people

13:31

listening more and more to because you can complay

13:33

niche in a in a podcast, whereas on television

13:36

you have to go so vague to appeal

13:38

to so many people and to appease

13:40

sponsors. And that's one of the things I love

13:43

about podcasting, especially in a day

13:45

and age like so often, um, we're

13:47

being sun sort or told what we can and cannot

13:49

say in our art, and podcasting was one of

13:51

the few places, especially with

13:53

Christina and myself, because we created

13:56

this ourselves and and make all our

13:58

own decisions business wise, It's

14:00

given the us the opportunity to do

14:02

what we want to do, to talk about what we want

14:04

to talk about, because, believe us, like we've tried

14:06

to talk about rape and sexual assault on TV

14:09

and like people, we get

14:11

a big fat no yeah, and it's

14:13

like, okay, so you don't think it happens, Okay,

14:16

gotta gotta gotta got um. And so

14:18

this is such a unique fucking platform, a podcast,

14:20

and we're really proud. I'm so fucking proud of guys

14:22

who fu I I we we talked about this a

14:24

lot. I really we started this five years ago.

14:27

I had no fucking idea that

14:29

anyone was gonna listen. To be honest,

14:32

um, no, I though that was a great idea but

14:34

I like, you know, like dance like no one's watching, talk like no

14:36

one's listening, right, and I and I and

14:38

I've the amount of real that we

14:40

get on this podcast is it

14:43

surprises me when I listened back to it

14:45

um and the arcs that it

14:47

has taken from from interviewing guys we've

14:49

actually fucked to um

14:51

talking about really serious topics that

14:53

I knew nothing about. I don't think you knew anything about

14:56

either, like pedophilia, like rape,

14:58

like like a abortion. Talking

15:01

about these really serious topics in

15:03

a way that could shed some light on them and that we

15:05

aren't being centered has been the most incredible

15:07

experience I've ever had in my life.

15:10

And to have an audience of people who

15:12

give a ship and want to hear what we have to say

15:15

and also uh contribute

15:17

to this podcast being what it is. It's

15:19

also a really unique time, Capsul. It's

15:22

like a diary. I almost want to have a kid just

15:24

so they can listen to it. Well,

15:26

I I, I don't know. I

15:29

I I was faced recently with the

15:32

first possible repercussions of my family

15:34

having to deal with the fact that I calls it's

15:36

weird. I'll tell you layter. But um, but

15:38

yeah, this podcast has taken a lot of twists and turns

15:41

that UM, I'm really proud of I didn't see

15:43

coming. And I'm we give

15:45

here a lot of ourselves to this podcast.

15:47

And I listened to the episode that we released last week.

15:49

We recorded that February ninth, and

15:51

we released it recently, and uh, because I

15:54

got a lot of messages about it, about this therapy

15:56

session, and I listened back to and I was like, oh,

15:58

dude, I remember, and I said vaguely,

16:01

but I got real that

16:03

was like my innermost thoughts. And I was

16:06

on my couch crying, listening to me talking

16:08

about crying, and um,

16:10

but we give a lot of ourselves on this podcast

16:12

and um, and I'm really excited

16:15

for the direction that it's going. And I'm really fucking excited

16:17

to be joining Luminary because Matt has

16:20

is a visionary when it comes to podcasts, he fucking

16:22

gets it. And I'm very proud

16:24

of of where we're headed and

16:26

we are amongst some heavy

16:29

fucking hitters, and UM,

16:31

yeah, we'll have more info soon. But there's

16:33

a custom link that's on all of our social

16:36

media right now, and it's going to be in the description of this

16:38

episode that you're listening to right now, this

16:40

is what you click to find more information into

16:43

Subscribe early. Just subscribe early

16:45

and uh, we'll have more information as it comes out.

16:47

But um yeah, because like we want to give you know, first

16:49

chance and like special opportunity, uh

16:52

to the guys we fucked audience. And

16:54

of course, uh, you know, you have a couple of

16:56

months. But the sooner you do it, you

16:58

know, the better, the better things will be for everyone.

17:01

It's really it's really exciting, and it's exciting

17:03

especially as like women who walked

17:06

into this space completely

17:08

unknown. Um. It gave us

17:10

the ability to create

17:12

our own are truly our own business.

17:16

Um, and that's something that I'm really

17:18

proud. I'm really proud of us. And

17:20

oh and a lot of people have been asking can I

17:23

it is gonna be on the body right

17:25

now, nothing's changing. We just want to tell

17:27

you about Luminary and click this link giving

17:29

your heads up. There are changes that I mean they we've kind of hinted

17:31

at this before, but we legally couldn't say anything

17:33

before today. Um,

17:35

and uh yeah, it's it's good

17:37

things then, uh, hopefully

17:40

and totally the future of

17:42

podcasting and we

17:44

can do more, and we're going to also have

17:47

like a higher production We're gonna have they like they

17:49

have a production budget, so we can like fly people

17:51

out here or fly to places to interview

17:53

guests. We have an associate producer now, like

17:55

we have names on our list of people we want to interview

17:58

that I never even dreamed I would even be able

18:00

to like connect with it. I'm so fucking

18:02

excited you guys for what's in store for guys. We

18:04

fucked in for Luminary, So keep

18:07

keep an eye out. Click that link, subscribe. It's going to

18:09

be big ship in store.

18:12

Um hey question. Yes,

18:15

I was wondering when this question was coming. You said you had a question.

18:17

So my birthday party happened. We

18:19

haven't seen each other in a while. Wait, don't if you're

18:21

I know what you're gonna ask. I think I want to talk about

18:23

this on the next step part

18:25

of my that's part of my I know what you're stay done,

18:28

done done, And that a cliffhanger for

18:30

you motherfuckers. Okay, okay,

18:32

all right, well let's talk about that in the next episode. Okay,

18:35

you're gonna want to listen, all right, This episode of

18:37

guys, we fux. This is a long one, but we're really proud

18:39

of it. We had a lot of UM

18:42

listeners come up and ask us questions in person, so

18:44

we're not gonna read emails. Um. This episode

18:46

was recorded live at the Listen Up Festival

18:48

in Portland, Oregon. We sold out an eight hundred

18:51

seat theater and it was fucking dope. Shout

18:53

out to everybody in that festival. That was an amazing

18:55

Yeah, that was experience. Really fine.

18:58

Room was sick our guest

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on today's episode. She's an activist,

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she's a mother, she's a stripper, she's a writer,

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she's a human being.

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God damn it. Ladies and gentlemen, please

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welcome l Sanger.

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Well bro, because

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I couldn't tell I

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didn't she like talk gang putting

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yourself to hell, living

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on saying I just

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want never

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doing that, olpen since

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you do an empty room,

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but you don't you know what, don't

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you coming

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on to the stage. We've got

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Grit Fisher. If it's you know, it's

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God, Yeah,

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part you felling

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you Wow, look at that mereful

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crab. Hey dude,

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we're happy to be here. Thanks for coming out.

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This is fine. Mamma

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wear heels tonight. I

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never wear heels. You wear

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hears a lot. You're gonna cry. Don't cry.

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Don't cry unless Jeff didn't text you back.

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Then cry. Jeff can suck

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a dick. Never text back. Sucking

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Dick's fun um sucking it. Come so party

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um, Happy Valentine's

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Day, everybody. I

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love Valentine's Day, saying or not. I

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think it's fun. Yeah, I just like to keep it real low

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key on Valentine's I'm

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just like, I look like Peggy Bundy, but did also

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like a stoner who like this

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is a size small sweater because they're like it's supposed

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to fit big. And I was like, well you've achieved what

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you're doing, Like, I don't

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know, it's very Mary kaytleson of you. Yeah,

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thank you, thank you. I mean, I'm just like

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I'm melting into my own body. I'm so thin. I

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like we all

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we both were dolls killed because I think that's

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the appropriate Holly holiday. Uh

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where oops, I did it again?

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Pants? So the only time I wore these in public? It's nice

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nice, right, right?

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Because you told me that you had ripped a pair

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of pants, and I assumed it was those pants

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because I had been with you when you purchased them, and then a

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year had pass and I never saw that it

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was just regular pants.

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Crash, regular pants. Yeah. I just bent over

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her and I was like, okay, very

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Jessica Simpson. Yeah,

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yeah, it's cool. The only one person got

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that because everyone else's

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like, I'm twenty two, I don't know I even know who that is,

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so sorry, Jessica

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Simpson is in the Toronto. It's a very

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basic name. It could really be anyone

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Jessica. And there's probably in Jessica Simpson here tonight,

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Like you know who's

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more talented? Okay, out? Can

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you handle it all? Your fucking

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lift drivers drive five miles per hour? You're lucky

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we made it. Yeah,

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what the funk? You? Odd?

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Why? And I feel like I'm on a podcast

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when a minute, I'm like, you don't need to know any

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more about my life. Okay, sucking

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asking all these questions. What

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are you doing that's not safe? Wait?

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What was he asking you? I

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don't know. I just try to always keep it vague

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so that like what I do seems really scandalous.

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Like I'll never say I'm a comedian. I'll just be like entertainment

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business. Yeah, but then they're going to

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ask questions. Oh no, not with my attitude.

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They don't see. That's the thing.

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I have a no follow up energy. We're

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hard when we're going to the airport in the morning, and I don't

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talk to anybody does the talking because

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I make it very clear that if I opened my mouth is

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not going to be a nice thing. I'm saying. Yeah when whenever

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it involves like law enforcement or government

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workers, I'm very pleasant because I don't

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want to be arrested, especially not for the first

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time in an airport, because it's not going to go well.

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Um, So I had a first last night.

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Actually, how can how convenient?

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So I was I knew, I like I knew this

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recording was happening, and

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I was going to try poppers for the first time.

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I the guy sold them to me at a sex store,

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and I like, the best kind. Yeah,

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they sold them to me in l A at a sex I don't know

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what the best kind is. That your head feels like it's

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being stuffed with helia. I remember

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you saying that, and I was like, I don't know. And then

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I looked at research because I'm not going to try

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and drug unless I researched the ship out of it, and it was a

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lot of scary things out there about pop so

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I didn't do that. But h

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I had sex with this person that

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I'm like in love with and

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and call we did like a daddy

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thing, like I called him daddy. I've never called

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anybody daddy in bed ever, because

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I never dated anybody that I'm like, I want to call

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you daddy. I don't want him.

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I was working at thirty eight year old and I'm thirty

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three and I called him daddy. I mean, like you could be you

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could have a December birthday,

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my birthday. Sincember, you're getting called

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daddy, but I don't

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care for me. You're gonna a daddy

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vibe, you know what I mean. It just feels like

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can you get in trouble with this person? And usually can

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with anyone? Well, yeah,

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he just he looks like a dad, like a daddy

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like he does. It was like, yeah, only

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what I mean, we know who we're talking about, but I'm going

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to confirm hard on like like dad

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pants. Yeah, And I'm like, oh yeah, give

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me that fucking has like really hairy arms.

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I love it. I

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don't know if that's that's more of an ethnic thing than

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a dad thing. Well, I like,

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if you have an Asian dad that doesn't sit. Oh,

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yeah, that's true.

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This guy is like Harry daddy arms. I

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don't know, Like, I don't know, man,

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it was dope. And I

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tell I'm like, this person and I have the

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best sex I think I've ever had in my life.

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It's really But I was also

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thinking, don't you feel like along

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the way, like just because I was trying

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to think the same thing, and I was like, oh, I think every sex

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I have after the previous sex is the best

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sex. And I was like, maybe it is getting better at sex.

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You know, I'm definitely getting way better

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at sex. However than that contributes

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to it. But this person and I, when we started

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having sex, it was great, it was always good. But the

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more we have sex, we have like the I

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call it like that don't want to miss a thing as

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because it's like I don't want to close my eyes

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or fall asleep. I want to stare at him because

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I'm like, the more we sleep, the less time we have to

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talk and look at each other and like,

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yeah, it's it's it's where you've lost

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me. And

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like I we went to out to eat multiple

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times this past week and we sat on the same

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side of the boot. What

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what You're

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very sweet, she tells me backstage. First of all,

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she's like, I've groundbreaking stuff I'm gonna tell you on

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stage, and I'm

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like, blow this. Today's the day Christina

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Hutchinson put a turtle in her asshole and

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then tell me that you've called

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someone daddy and then went to the Apple was

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a diner and it was a diner. But

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we like and have

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price apps after nine. But

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I don't know. I don't I don't really know. I guess

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I don't feel any one way about p d A. But I

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feel like when I'm dating somebody, you

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tell me it's you've been around me. When I'm dating somebody at

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the beginning, I don't feel like I'm very like fingers

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up there butt, just like in public, like you know what I mean? He

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d yeah, you know, I don't think it's like sexual.

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I think it's more like loved, like

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loving, adoring with this romania,

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perhapsmania with this person.

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It's just like when we interviewed Justin Silver and

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he's like, you know, when you're so attracted to somebody that you feel

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like they're written on the cells of your body. That's

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what I feel like that. But that line, I was like,

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he read that in ahead of time because he was trying

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to get foxed. Whenever I use

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it, it works. And I

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I bought a prostates simulator

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at the sex store where I also got the poppers that I did,

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not abusing. You already had

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a prostate sim I did, but not with me in l

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A. Oh and that one was used.

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Oh yeah that was he

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took that. That's for you. But yeah, that's

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that's a tarnash one. Yeah, oh

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my, that'd be funny if I just had like a drawer piece

27:52

spot simulators for my exes. Yeah,

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that's like a fun little token. Maybe I'm not as

27:57

an exhibit underglass. Yeah

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that's true. Actually it's a good point fun.

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But I bought one at this It was a gay It was

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mainly like a gay so like for men, gay

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men, and um, that's why they have a

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caseful of poppers. And so all their

28:10

peace spots simulators were big,

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like the narrows is like a pink, truly

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a pinky. This was like half

28:17

a risk, you know, so

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I and I asked him. I was like, okay, I bought I bought one,

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and I really want to use it on you, but it's kind of big, and he's like

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I'll do whatever. I'm like, oh, you're so sexy,

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and and I was telling it like I put it

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in and I remember when I did this with Stephen.

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I was so scared. I was like, you put it in, Like

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I didn't want to. I didn't want to put it in because

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I do not know what was gonna come out or it

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wasn't that. I just felt really

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uncomfortable. But with I was like I told him,

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I was like, I feel like that I have the key to your body.

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Like I touched him. I touched

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him exactly the right way, and vice

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versa, Like, yeah, I feel like

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I I suck things off your asshole in

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a previous life, you know, very

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connect, That's what it felt like. Yeah, it's

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very like that. I'm like, I feel like we've been here before. We

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definitely haven't. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's just like I want to walk around with

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his dick inside me all the time. That's how okay,

29:10

Like I want to seen his in me like now, but like a mold

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of it. Oh so

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not the real because he'd be here and

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it would get Yeah, I

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see, then you'd have a show on t LC. Okay,

29:22

Um, shit, well we've

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tried a lot and nothing's worth so worse than that.

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Maybe that's what we're looking

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for, interesting living inside

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you. That's

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pretty funny, that's very I'm

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good. Um, not to brag,

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but I have already had sex today, so like it's

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so fun Yeah. Well, I mean Valentine's

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Day. You know, Listen, there's a few things

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I love more in life than complaining. It's my

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life flood. It's my last

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wish. If someone said what if I

29:55

was on death row and I had a last meal, I was like, just

29:57

give me someone to complain to. That nourishes my soul

29:59

more than any thing. But yeah,

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I um, yeah, I just I

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hate complaining on Valentine's Day, Like unless

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unless you're like, you know, you know, wife, her husband

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just got hit by a bus, like February

30:10

thirteenth. Well, I don't want to be I'm trying to be less cold

30:13

hearted, so I just you know, I did include that in the

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Instagram caption that I seriously

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wrote this morning on the airplane. Um,

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but I thank you for the one person who read

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that. Uh and

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uh yeah, And I just hate complaining

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on Valentine's Day because it like you do, you don't need to make

30:29

a big thing about it, like if someone's enjoying it, great,

30:31

but you don't need like like I remember in school, people

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will be like crying in home room

30:36

why and like putting things in their own locker,

30:38

which I mean I'm a advocate of that. Well,

30:40

yeah, be your own Valentine. Yeah, I mean

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it, not even be your own Valentine, just like be

30:45

your own fucking publicist. Like no

30:47

one wants to know. No one doesn't want your pussy.

30:49

What are we doing here? You want to

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your fucking self smart, because that's

30:54

what it is. It's a publicity problem. Like did

30:56

you see my mom texting? My mom texted

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me, and you know, it's always

31:00

very important with Diane, and she said, did

31:03

you see what Kanye give Kardashi

31:06

had Prevalentite's Day?

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And I said, no, Mom, I'm actually working

31:10

tonight, So I I failed to see that.

31:13

Um, and don't worry. She had the link

31:15

ready, so she sends me. She

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sends me a Huffo article because

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that's where I get all my most serious news.

31:22

And it was

31:24

so Kanye hired Kenny

31:27

G. Which

31:30

already we're so off brand for Kardashian

31:33

or Kanye, you know, it's like,

31:35

you know, it's like we wonder why they're so famous,

31:37

but they keep surprising us. So I'm

31:40

on board. And so she wanted her

31:42

living room. And also for how rich

31:44

they are, they don't have anything

31:46

on their walls. It's just it looks like

31:48

a like a psychiatric war. It's pure

31:50

white and like we see how big

31:53

it is, but not not an art piece, not of couch,

31:55

not because they're their own art. Their

31:57

conversation is the art. Yes, he's

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just standing in the living room

32:02

playing uh, Somewhere over

32:04

the Rainbow, which if there's one song that does

32:06

not make me horny, it's that there's

32:10

so many things like Dorothy's sixteen

32:12

in the movie, she like is

32:15

fucking hitting her head. She

32:17

goes, she's she's like having she has like a concussion

32:19

throughout the movie. And then were some kind of LSD

32:22

universe and I don't

32:24

understand, but whatever, And so he's

32:27

playing Somewhere over the Rainbow and then

32:29

there's just roses covering

32:31

the ground, but each one is in its own vase.

32:34

Because I guess they're like, how can we be least

32:37

eco friendly as possible? That's

32:40

always their goal, And I just say

32:43

it opened up more questions for me

32:45

about their relationship. Likes Kanye

32:47

friends with Kenny g Is Kenn easy harder

32:49

than we thought he was? And I think, yes,

32:52

you know some sketches,

32:55

yeah, because I think I think, like you know, Soup

32:57

Dog had a soft side, Martha Stewart

32:59

had a harder side, and I think we

33:01

just don't know about these things. So anyway, that

33:04

happened. But yeah, and I had a lot of sex

33:06

last night with I mean again, you guys, don't

33:08

I don't know, guys, if you're following like the

33:10

corn Guy, but I can't call him that anymore because

33:13

it started as a hashtag and then

33:16

I screw screen little

33:18

corn guy guy. And then it's

33:20

very sweet because our listeners are so young

33:22

that someone wrote me a little card after

33:24

our show and she said, I hope things

33:27

worked out with the corn Guy, but she spelled

33:29

it like the Cobs, and that

33:32

really took kind of the edge out of what I

33:35

was going to think. She thinks

33:37

that he like sells corn, I'm

33:39

not. I just think she has no idea what the

33:41

funk I'm talking about? And

33:44

she was like, let this geriatric woman

33:46

have her sick, put

33:49

on your nurse shoes and go. She's

33:53

like, TikTok. She can barely reproduce

33:55

anny longer, but let her have this moment.

33:58

Yeah, you know, so it's

34:01

the sex that you have with them, not the corn

34:03

guy um, but the corn guy um

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PM professional. I just didn't know

34:07

if everyone was caught up, but professional

34:10

musician pleas the best sex you've ever had. Yeah,

34:13

but we're gonna have to edit this because he listens to

34:15

it because he's a nice person, so I don't want him

34:18

to get too fucking cocky about Okay,

34:20

it's like, you already played for corn, what more do you need?

34:22

SAP And

34:25

I never knew like the song Freak on a Leash could make

34:27

me horny, but now it's that's part of my

34:29

I have three different kinds of sex playlists.

34:32

I have falling in love playlists. I

34:34

have like like cute playlist, like cute,

34:36

like really intense intense sex playlist. One

34:39

that's that's called fucking and

34:41

it has corn on it and freaking

34:44

clish is on it. I don't, I

34:46

just I only have one and it's like called

34:48

like hot boys or something, and

34:51

I found it and I made fun

34:53

of the person who made it because I didn't realize

34:55

that person was me. I

34:59

subscribed to a it was yeah, like I spell it

35:01

with a Z like b o y z I

35:04

would, And I was like, what clear shopping

35:06

bimbo made this list? And

35:08

then it was sure, yeah,

35:11

because it was just a lot of like Maryland Man's

35:13

just you know, Marilyn Manson nine inch nails

35:16

kind of just really getting me. Nine inch nails

35:18

is on my Yeah.

35:21

Yeah, so that's that. And

35:23

well because it was I hadn't had sex

35:26

last time we spoke about PM

35:28

with him, because I didn't really actually didn't

35:30

even know if we were friends or if he just

35:32

needed something or I wasn't sure

35:34

about it. I don't Yeah,

35:37

yeah apparently, And I reminded myself what I

35:39

always tell you, like, no adult man wants

35:41

to be your friends, which again

35:44

remember that, And I think it's like really

35:46

happy Valentine's Day. Yeah,

35:49

because even I mean, this is gonna get weird. But

35:51

did you watch the documentary Abducted in Plain

35:54

Sight? No? Yeah,

35:56

where are we going this? Though? I

35:59

don't want to ruin it? For you, but

36:01

I feel like it's about people abducted, and well,

36:05

sometimes I asked a lot of questions about

36:08

myself based on the types of media

36:11

people recommend to me. You

36:13

know, it's like a mirror. And then you're like, oh, you

36:15

think I would just like to sit at home and watch

36:17

ninety minutes of a story where a

36:19

guy, uh you know, engages in pedophilia

36:22

and then fox both the parents. Sorry

36:24

spoiler, um yo,

36:26

I'm sorry, but the world is sucked up

36:28

rearing box for one day and you will

36:30

walk around with your mouth just gaping open,

36:33

like up it was edgy

36:35

and um yeah. And

36:37

so someone I don't even know where I'm going

36:39

with this, but we somehow watched

36:41

that. I don't it wasn't for play,

36:44

but watched it with the PM.

36:46

Well, because you know, I need I need someone

36:49

who can handle just handle,

36:52

like handle the worst ship, you know, right,

36:55

and he's had traumas, so we're in the clear

36:58

and that's why got good sex.

37:00

Yeah, and well I just motherfucker's I

37:04

just knew this same everyone. Ha. I was like, it's either going

37:06

to be like violent to the

37:09

point where I need to call the cops, or just

37:11

right, you know, like Goldps and the

37:13

Three Bears, the Last Bed, the

37:16

bed. This man hits too hard.

37:19

This man HiT's too smar this

37:23

man it's just right. Yeah

37:26

yeah, and you know right away like

37:29

oh man, and when they hit just right, you're

37:31

like, I want to marry you. Yeah

37:34

yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then he called

37:36

me the Van Halen of sucking dick and I was like, well,

37:38

we're married now, so like

37:44

probably knows Van Haley. You know, it's I

37:47

don't know this part out so he doesn't think I'm not

37:49

clear you and I working to suck a dick because I

37:51

gotta say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

37:53

well I mean and I said, I was like, yeah,

37:55

I don't really like doing this, but you're a v I

37:57

P. I said,

38:00

lady is the terminology. Yeah. I just let

38:02

him know. And then he made fun of me later, but that's what that's

38:04

where I were bonded. So it's all good. And wow,

38:07

I'm so happy for you. Yeah, it's I'm

38:09

happy for me as well. Thank you. There's

38:12

just so many tattoos, like count them. To

38:14

fall asleep at day, it's

38:16

a fucking dream, you know. You wake up

38:19

and you're just like this is the sleeve I've wanted to

38:21

see my whole life

38:23

finally right here beside me. Yeah,

38:26

I'm so happy for you. Go girl. Okay,

38:28

So usually typically at the podcast,

38:31

at the intro part, we we read an email

38:33

or two from somebody who needs advice. But we

38:35

figured, since you guys are here, we can

38:37

give you advice to your fucking face. Now.

38:39

Since it's Valentine's Day, I'm

38:42

assuming there's some single people here because statistically,

38:45

yeah,

38:48

see that sounds great. Um, you sounds

38:50

super energetic, are there. This is a segment

38:52

that we do in our new Live Tory Show, and

38:54

I feel like it's appropriate because it's Valentine's Day?

38:57

Is there anybody in here who's single, who is

38:59

on a dating app up? And it feels like they're hitting a

39:01

wall, like they're meaning the same kind of person

39:04

or something. They're just not being understood.

39:06

Um, if you want to come on stage, we'll pick

39:08

one of you. Bring your phone and we'll

39:11

we'll we'll analyze your dating

39:13

at profile in front of everybody here. Yeah, and

39:17

like make sure you have service before

39:19

you come up here, because time is money.

39:22

You pick, you're gonna picking. I can be

39:24

I can only see the front row, so you see

39:28

there's a listen in the middle that like just it's

39:30

fervent, like just raising their hands as if they're trying

39:32

to touch the sky and just I mean like we're gonna

39:34

roast you. Like this is not going to go in your favor,

39:37

So be comfortable with that. Okay,

39:40

life stuff, right man,

39:45

I'm not going to watch that documentary now. Yeah.

39:47

Well, I mean I ruined it for you. But the

39:49

parents, I mean this terrible because

39:52

someone said that to me as the selling point

39:54

for it. That was like they're like, yeah, if the

39:57

kid and the parents, and you're like what, But it even gets

39:59

weirder than that, to the point where you're like, this is worth

40:01

investing time. And I just can't

40:03

believe they got people to say it on camera. I

40:05

can't even Hi, have a seat right

40:07

here. Tell us your name? Yeah,

40:11

Nicole, Nicole, I guess

40:14

it's Nicole hid Nicol. Did

40:16

you bring like a posse here with you or yeah?

40:18

I'm actually third wheeling tonight,

40:21

so you're with my

40:23

sister and her boyfriend. I was gonna say, it's not

40:25

gonna turn it through a three way it's

40:29

a documentary. Yeah, yeah,

40:31

if you want to be on Netflix. Uh, next

40:33

one way, So, okay, how old are you?

40:36

I'm twenty three. And if

40:38

you had to describe yourself

40:40

like say you were on the Bachelor, um,

40:43

but say you were like and you have to pitch yourself as

40:45

like how you are as like a partner or somebody

40:47

to date, what would you say? Well,

40:50

I just moved back from Spain, so

40:53

traveler. Oh, I'm like,

40:55

oh cool. I

40:57

was like, je's all right, rub it ince someone

41:01

has a passport. I

41:06

was living abroad for six months. I

41:08

was teaching English, and I'm

41:13

impressed, Nicole. This is

41:16

like when I swide no on people if they're just

41:18

standing amongst like a bunch of like children

41:20

in Africa, You're like, okay, you're being disgusting.

41:22

Now that's different though,

41:25

So that was See there's some people who are

41:27

great. So okay, and what about like who

41:29

you are as a person? Um? Well,

41:32

I was sam friendly fly

41:36

pretty friendly. Oh. I didn't even I

41:38

thought that was a word. I didn't understand. I

41:41

was like, it's discardi b say that. I'm

41:44

real fucking old, okay, go on, I

41:47

didn't we wait wait side note. I

41:49

didn't know s d a wass.

41:51

I thought I thought it was another artist

41:54

named like zong Yah shoes

41:58

back on. I was like, oh, let's say

42:00

Marla. Okay,

42:03

go ahead, go Aheaday your friend

42:05

like, I'm friendly, I'm from Portland's

42:10

yeah, I am looking um

42:13

for just kind of a pretty

42:16

casual thing right now. Casual okay,

42:18

because sucking yeah, but

42:20

with like a connection do you want you know? Yeah?

42:22

Yeah, I'm talking to somebody hate or not? Some people can

42:25

Yeah, what can

42:27

you fuck somebody you don't like? Like, sometimes people

42:30

like having sex with people they don't like, and that's look at them

42:32

all I did before it. But I feel like

42:34

I feel like hate fucking could beat up my hound. The

42:38

words you said and the way you said them already

42:40

are opposite. Friend, You're like, I feel

42:42

like I could probably hate somebody I don't know. Just

42:45

give me a pretty wary So you're wearing like a

42:47

romper and a fashion scarf, and

42:49

you're like, yeah, needs to fun. They hate and like things

42:52

just socks very okay,

42:58

you need a fucking country job. Um,

43:03

you're yeah, can I see your dating profile? Yeah?

43:06

Here you go, So what app is this? Okay?

43:09

And she's good? Okay, okay, okay, god, okay,

43:12

just you make sure

43:14

of the winds blowing in your hair. Okay,

43:18

oh yeah, okay, don't Okay, so Hinge, if you

43:20

don't know, has a couple of prompts that you can answer, which I actually

43:22

really like, and they like lead

43:24

you in and then you fill in the blanks. So this

43:27

first problem, nicolas, um, don't

43:29

hate me if I make a

43:31

few bad puns. I hope that appeals

43:34

to you. And she's spelled a pe l

43:36

s and put a banana mo j g

43:40

all. No, that's

43:43

party, it's crazy

43:46

party first Spain.

43:49

That's cool. Well, I think you're gonna

43:51

be able to find a hate funk pretty easily, and

43:57

I think you like it. Actually,

44:00

I need to switched to diet cope before I get mean.

44:04

Okay, there's a picture of you rock climbing. That's

44:07

fun. It was a

44:10

very dangerous hike. A dangerous hike,

44:12

yeah, the most in the world really

44:15

as not as if you're being hugged by your

44:17

mother fresh out alone.

44:19

Well, I was with my sisters. Okay, okay,

44:22

Well you really can't know what Yeah, that's

44:25

good. I guess I don't have a sister, so I don't know. Okay,

44:27

you want to clip you with friends laughing

44:29

wonderful to truths and a lie. One,

44:32

I've had hiccups for the past four years.

44:35

Two I don't have an Instagram account.

44:38

Three I completed a professional eating competition.

44:42

I don't know what the truth is. Yeah, I hates

44:44

that question because it never gets any clarification

44:48

why I haven't I

44:50

haven't done an eating competition. So

44:53

wait, you have hiccups for the past year.

44:55

Don't have them now? Well, yeah, but it's

44:57

like a few every day. Do we just

45:00

or your hiccups for the past four years. That would be amazing. And

45:03

it's a few hiccups every

45:05

day. But I probably should go to the doctor at

45:08

some point. You haven't gone yet, thank you. You

45:10

can put that. I don't really seek medical life seeking

45:13

a doctor. Well, because my mom used to be a real

45:15

estate agent and she sold a house to a woman

45:17

who literally had hiccups straight for years,

45:20

And I was like, that seems like one of the worst like

45:22

punishments from the universe that I can think with

45:25

the hiccups anything, especially

45:27

when the first place I'm going, yeah, you don't go

45:30

to a movie, no one likes you. You

45:33

can't. Yeah, oh that's

45:35

rough. Ico Okay, And then the final prompt

45:37

you. That is the way to win me over is bringing

45:42

me coffee any time anywhere.

45:44

I'm not addicted. Dot dot dot, I could stop

45:46

anytime I want coffee emoji and then

45:48

this emoji. And

45:53

then there's a photo of you blowing glass.

45:56

I didn't know where that was going. Copper fish.

45:58

Okay, so you're making a puffer what

46:01

there's an Asian man in the background. She's

46:03

making a puffer fish space like like

46:07

she's filling her face with air and the guys

46:09

looking at her, like, is that the wish she sucks a dick? What's

46:14

the purpose of that? What's the purpose of

46:16

the photo mimicking the fish? I

46:18

was in the fish market and the guy that'sppropriating

46:21

a fish? I see. Okay, guys,

46:25

I've done ship for that. Yeah, okay,

46:27

So you know what's like the most fun

46:30

thing you've ever done? Um, like

46:33

you gets spice this up a little, the funnest

46:35

thing ever and I feel like, well

46:38

fucked up thing anal Okay, I

46:41

wouldn't put down a dating but like,

46:43

you know, just okay, moving in space. He's

46:45

just trying to say, is it just seems a little boring if you're trying

46:47

to get railed, right, Yeah,

46:51

maybe I need to spice things up a little bit more.

46:53

Yeah, because you have this vibe that you're like, yeah,

46:55

you like seem like a really sweet person. You have

46:57

like people flowey hair, but like you gott fucking

46:59

free give you. Maybe this is

47:01

more of like I want to meet your parents during the

47:04

holidays. That's the kind of guy that

47:06

comes after me. Yeah, like vibe

47:09

on the on the be more arrogant,

47:12

and it's she's like I've

47:14

been said, boucocky, I volunteered. Their wants

47:21

really underserved. Yeah,

47:25

these are like catalog shops that you're

47:27

laughing outdoors, like you know what

47:29

I mean? Like that doesn't say like I want to put my

47:31

dick in her mouth, you know, like you want to have casual sex

47:33

and see if you want have casual sex with somebody, something

47:35

casual and you wanted to be good. I was assuming right,

47:38

like you want like good sex. Yeah. Um,

47:43

then I would say, and you'd not pull a little Can

47:46

you pass this to Corin and to look at the photos?

47:48

They're very sweet and beautiful photos. But

47:51

to me, I'm like that girl wants

47:53

to me, she wants my seed,

47:55

you know what I mean? Like

47:57

the way to won me over is what

48:00

would do my face? No? Um, I wouldn't

48:02

say that, like good Yeah,

48:04

okay, so first photo thumbs up, super

48:06

accurate. Looks like you we can tell you're in

48:08

a place that you know makes you look better than others.

48:11

So I like it. It's like there's

48:13

you know, like it's just like she's not saying

48:16

it's not America, but we know it's not you

48:19

know, says

48:24

it was probably Oh okay,

48:30

the many countries have you been to? Um?

48:33

Is that serious question? Yeah? Yeah, I

48:35

just asked it like an asshole. It is a serious question.

48:39

Wow, Okay, that's Joe. That's

48:41

so cool. Yeah, but that's like I've

48:43

been more countries than eating

48:46

or something. Yeah, or then you know, maybe you

48:48

know, I feel like that's cocky though, like that's

48:51

like it's the truth, though it's not. It's

48:53

I mean, like you travel a lot. I think it's cool. Yeah,

48:55

but like have you ever been you know, getting fun dogg

48:57

he style and someone's been like have you ever been

48:59

to you know, like in the middle of it, it's

49:01

not like we have that conversation, right,

49:05

So the bad punts thing that needs to go because

49:07

no matter what you're looking for that's bad um.

49:10

And and also like it kind of like you forced

49:12

you force the punt. You know, it's not

49:14

like it's weird um because

49:17

you just inserted the banana yourself, like

49:19

the beginning the pun didn't have to do with the the

49:22

question and the reason why I'm taken back by is

49:24

you're not corny, and like, I don't think you're a corny

49:26

chick, like if upon first impression of you,

49:28

So that does a disservice to your personality

49:31

because you have like a really beautiful smile. You feel like you like

49:33

you seem like you got a net a freak in you. I'm gonna be that's

49:35

just the vibe I'm getting and that's definitely

49:37

not the that's not the vibe I get on them.

49:39

Yeah, the Mountain one is great if you're

49:42

looking for a husband, but not no one

49:44

needs to see that if you're trying to fuck. Uh.

49:47

This next one is great with the leg

49:49

and stuff. And also I mean, like, will

49:51

you only fun other liberals because there's

49:54

no like, you don't need to you don't need to put your

49:56

politics here if you're just trying to get calm

49:58

in around. Yeah, I guess so speel

50:00

like a Trump supquarter might not be like, but

50:02

if you want to hate fuck that's true.

50:04

Yeah, maybe go that route. I'm

50:08

just not I

50:11

just you know, I just know what's going on, and I think, yeah,

50:13

a lot of you know, like a lot of people with that

50:15

shaved side of the head, girl think funk people

50:17

who voted for Trump, and it seems to be pretty electric.

50:20

Um, this

50:22

next one with all your with all your

50:24

gal pals is like, I have a

50:27

hard role. Like, if you're gonna take a photo

50:29

with others, Um, you get

50:31

the hottest, you have to be the hottest one. I'm not the

50:33

hottest one. I mean it's a lot of you are

50:36

all good looking people like I mean

50:38

the glare of friends didn't take a photo with them and then put that

50:40

up on Yeah, well someone

50:42

who's just been through like the movie Saw and

50:44

is dragging their left leg behind them. Like

50:47

that's how different it needs. We need to clearly

50:49

know who you are and who

50:51

you're hanging out with, because these is just like three white

50:54

chicks with v nexs and like those little

50:56

basketball shorts like Trotter

51:00

is and you're like life

51:02

is funny. Um yeah,

51:06

and then well and then I mean like you have to thing do right, things

51:09

that like make you, like make people horny,

51:11

like I think for you not not you

51:13

know, full on cum dumpster stuff

51:15

like me and Christina. But it's like,

51:18

what's like, what's something that you like to do sexually

51:21

on the first date or in the first meeting.

51:26

I don't know. I guess I haven't really

51:28

had like a one night stand. Oh,

51:31

I mean yeah, like even

51:33

right back, just like something you know, like I think there's like a prompt

51:35

that says like something you don't know about me or whatever, like I've never

51:37

had a one night stand, right, Yeah,

51:41

well you're not. It's not so desperate. What

51:45

you can put whatever the complete

51:47

thought that you have that you want to put in, just cut it in half

51:49

and then put the half first half. Yeah. I

51:52

think we're trying to elude as a little mystery. Yeah,

51:54

a little mimsy. Yeah, like

51:57

don't complete the pun the emojis at the

51:59

pun. It's like I get it, you know what I mean, Like you

52:01

don't write limb or you just impride

52:03

that you're a horror Yeah. Too much is

52:05

almost enough for me, right, because you like

52:08

Coco Chanelle has that rule where like before

52:10

you go out, you look in the mirror and you take off one

52:12

thing. Do that, but with the stuff

52:15

that you say. So like write

52:17

a sentence and then be like I've

52:19

spoken too much and and go backwards

52:21

one sentence the banana. That's great to think

52:23

about these profiles. I think he nailed it. Um

52:25

this one and whatever you're like fucking in

52:28

a cave with the head's like you're like, she's

52:30

like blanking in this one. Um, your

52:34

tips look great, So keep that. Eric

52:36

just liked you. If you're if you were wondering,

52:39

Um, you can write it. And

52:41

it's what I say. I mean, this blowfish one,

52:43

I could see like it's the last one and I could see

52:46

like a real kinkster getting into it. So and

52:48

the braids are like kind of sexy.

52:50

So I will keep that one too, but the words

52:52

need to be changed to something more um sensual.

52:56

Yeah, what we're

52:58

exciting? What Eric like? Oh? Yeah, Eric

53:00

liked something? So I wanted what did Eric like out of your photos?

53:03

Eric is a skateboarder?

53:06

Okay, what what how did he first contact

53:08

you? He liked a photo or something you said? Because

53:10

I like, you can like a specific thing on

53:12

their program. He likes my splunking photos,

53:15

the one with ya. Okay, so it's hits. Yeah,

53:17

okay, we're so we're keeping the one that's the one that you're tittyboun

53:20

So. Okay, he's a skate I mean at what age

53:23

is Eric? He is thirty?

53:26

Oh so thirty

53:28

and his mode of transportation is skiboard.

53:32

Hey, there's someone in hate book. Give

53:35

it up right here, Avril Levine,

53:38

vibe here. I feel like my

53:40

sister is stating a guy named Eric,

53:42

though, so I feel like that'd be a little weird.

53:45

You still thinking about your sister with the fucking

53:48

has nothing to do with one another. You're

53:50

not gonna end up with this Eric, that's

53:53

true skateboard? Did he thirty?

53:57

That's anyway between you and I? Actually the dead girl

53:59

open? What

54:02

what you like? You're on a pad a

54:05

car bou

54:08

But I mean, if you guys want to help me out,

54:11

write a write a message. Yeah,

54:16

I just write so, do you have a d U I

54:18

or one? Fun

54:26

times? My

54:30

angel is fantastic. It's just when you meet

54:32

me at the problems. Oh

54:36

gosh, I wrote something. Um, maybe

54:40

it's just because I'm in the spirit, but

54:45

I just wrote, Hi, daddy. I know. Thanks,

54:50

thanks, I

54:55

think, yeah, thank

54:59

you. Okay, Hey,

55:03

if that works out, you fucking let me know, because

55:07

the difference is I would have written, Hey, daddy,

55:09

can I get a ride to school? Got

55:13

a room for two on that skateboard? Perhaps

55:16

you got along board in your garage? Oh

55:20

my gosh. Shall we bring out our guests?

55:23

Yeah, let's do it. What's can you say? Very

55:27

very excited? Our guest? She is a podcast

55:29

or she used a sex educator. She is a sex

55:32

worker. She's a badass motherfucker.

55:34

Hey, lady and Johnny, please give it up for else

55:37

today. Thank

55:49

Yeah. They hugged on late night when a guest comes out, So

55:51

I'm like, feels fun. It feels

55:53

fun. Okay. We were having a

55:55

conversation here you I'll

55:58

fluffy use my hair? Who found it? Oh

56:02

no, this is Portland's we have humidity. Nobody has good

56:04

hair here. It's fine shots

56:06

fire a sense of

56:08

humor. We're having a conversation

56:10

back stage before he went for cred and I came out

56:12

about dad. The word daddy. I heard

56:15

that, Yeah, because I was about I was planning

56:17

on talking to her about how I said daddy for the

56:19

first time, and it was a big deal for me. But

56:21

then you were we were talking about it in a context. I was

56:23

like, with the R Kelly

56:25

ship, right right right, yeah, Okay, So there's

56:28

a lot of things going on here. How's my audio, by

56:30

the way, good, it's good, it's sod's

56:32

good. Okay. So people

56:35

engage in daddy play, all kinds

56:37

of play, consensually, safely,

56:39

pleasurably. Um yeah, with R

56:42

Kelly's track history. UM,

56:45

I'm not thinking that's what's going on here. So

56:48

if anybody's heard, there's a new video R

56:52

Kelly forty five minutes and forty five

56:54

seconds. I might have butchered that, but pretty close. So

56:56

it's him having sex with a woman or

56:59

a young lady who multiple

57:01

times refers to her pussy as her fourteen

57:03

year old pussy six times.

57:06

Um. She also calls him daddy, and there's

57:08

some peeing. I don't know who's doing the peeing, Okay,

57:11

besides the my fourteen year old pussy.

57:13

I've done those other things. I do those other things,

57:16

like probably did those things last

57:18

week. Good for you, thank

57:20

you. Um. So the daddy thing, I

57:22

am so excited that you

57:24

get to engage this way. And you said you're

57:26

really in love with this person, right, So

57:29

that's probably why it feels comfortable for you.

57:32

Trust I do have that. It does feel like. I

57:35

mean, he is older than me and I'm younger, but not too

57:37

much of an age difference, so um, but

57:39

enough, like like enough

57:42

that he feels I can pretend that

57:44

he's way older than me. I don't pretend that I'm

57:46

younger than know how old

57:48

I actually am, but I feel like he is older

57:50

than me. So the age difference is part of what makes it hot for

57:52

me and I It's probably part of why I want to call him

57:54

daddy. So I'm thirty two. I

57:57

have sucked in a few different decades. The

58:00

youngest person I've had sex

58:02

with was nineteen when I

58:04

was twenty, and the oldest

58:07

was sixty when I was twenty six. That

58:11

was for work, because I'm

58:14

a sex worker. Hi. Yeah,

58:18

but can I tell you so that was

58:20

a few years ago when doing sex work was a

58:22

bit easier. The government has criminalized

58:25

it a bit more in the last year, specifically

58:27

since the passage of two bills called FOSTA

58:29

and SESTA in April of two thousand

58:31

eighteen. Um, Amber Rose,

58:33

fucking talk about this ship Okay,

58:37

Cardi B is Cardi B is not even my favorite?

58:39

Can you explain? Can you explain so for

58:41

everybody? So Foston SESTA, sure,

58:44

it's really complicated. Foston sstor

58:46

were two bills that got bipartisan support.

58:49

Because when you name a bill Fight

58:51

Online Sex Trafficking Act and Stopped

58:53

Enabling Sex Trafficking Act, who the hell

58:55

wants sex trafficking? Not me? I do

58:57

the work. I can't imagine having to do the work

59:00

when I don't get to keep my own money, scream my own

59:02

clients, or I'm getting like physically

59:04

or sexually abused. Um. So

59:07

these bills, what they did, basically, the

59:10

very very short end, is it made it harder

59:12

to discover who's actually doing the work consensually

59:15

and is an adult um and

59:18

who's not. Because what the

59:20

bill did is hold liable media platforms

59:23

that might advertise or transmit

59:26

payment or any kind of communication of

59:29

sex sexually relevant transactions,

59:32

whether or not they're consensual. So

59:35

if I post, if I wanted to post

59:37

an ad on back page or

59:39

even Instagram, this is where I work.

59:42

This is where you can go on a date with me, This is where

59:44

I can juggle. I don't

59:46

know what sucking oranges for you? With my kids how like

59:49

really have fun. I don't know how to juggle, but I can

59:51

put my SIPs out. Um. That's

59:54

the imporum. So these

59:56

the oranges, the

1:00:00

how long I can balance? See how long

1:00:02

I cannot speak? Um? So

1:00:04

you know what it's always like? Yeah, you

1:00:07

do know when

1:00:10

these bills passed, Um, what it

1:00:12

did was make it a lot harder to figure out who

1:00:14

was being trafficked and who's like me just trying

1:00:17

to make a few books. And it's a shitty economy

1:00:19

where, let's face it, feminine labor

1:00:22

needs to be monetized when it can

1:00:24

be. So

1:00:30

the only two UM senators

1:00:33

or representatives have voted against Foster,

1:00:36

I believe I think it was senator It was two senators. It

1:00:38

was Senator Ron Ron Whiten from Oregon.

1:00:43

I emailed Jeff Merkley, the other one,

1:00:45

and said why didn't you And then he wrote me back this email

1:00:47

where I was like, you don't know what sex work is versus

1:00:49

sex trafficking? Um. And the other person

1:00:52

was Rand Paul who's

1:00:55

a libertarian, so and you probably wouldn't

1:00:57

know and everything. But the Department

1:00:59

of Justice looked at these bills Boston Ancesta,

1:01:02

and they said, you can't hold

1:01:04

liable someone for transmitting

1:01:06

something sexually relevant without further

1:01:09

evidence. The justice system is very

1:01:11

flawed. I got my bea in criminology

1:01:13

from Portland State University a few years ago,

1:01:17

and throughout that time because I used to think

1:01:19

I wanted to do street level law enforcement, I

1:01:21

was like, whoa, this is how you fight crime,

1:01:23

right? Yeah? No, the good guys are not always

1:01:25

the good guys. So when a

1:01:28

sex worker is robbed, raped, or

1:01:31

ripped off for anything else, she's not going to call the

1:01:33

cops if her job is illegal. She's

1:01:35

just not. And there's a bill that's

1:01:37

being proposed in Oregon right now where

1:01:41

if you are, if

1:01:43

you are a person, a woman

1:01:45

who has been convicted of sex

1:01:48

work um of prostitution,

1:01:50

you can get that conviction removed from

1:01:53

your record. This is a bill that's

1:01:55

up and this would be great because more people

1:01:57

who have this on the record could get employment. So

1:02:00

how the hell are people supposed to find legitimate,

1:02:03

conventional employment when it's on their criminal

1:02:05

record, or when you have people

1:02:08

who don't know better and they think, well, let's

1:02:10

just make all distroopers employees or

1:02:12

let's just register all of the hookers.

1:02:15

Please don't say hooker unless you're a full service sex

1:02:17

worker. By the way, um what if you're

1:02:19

a sassy gay man unless

1:02:21

you sell sex, Please don't because we've

1:02:25

contribute to oro phobia. But they

1:02:27

do just checking because you know that kesh A cruise is

1:02:29

coming up. Ye oh

1:02:32

boy, I don't know. Um.

1:02:35

So it's been a tough year to be a sex

1:02:37

worker and it drives

1:02:40

me absolutely bad shit. And I feel

1:02:42

for people because I understand why this happens.

1:02:44

But I saw a comment on Instagram

1:02:47

today where the sweet twenty year old goth

1:02:49

girl from butt Funck I don't know where

1:02:52

country she posts a comment

1:02:54

on some feminist account because

1:02:56

I follow those, and she was like all sexual

1:02:58

labors, exploitation of women. And I

1:03:00

said, a homegirl, you are wearing clothes that

1:03:03

was made and I bet you Taiwan and Bangladesh

1:03:05

and the woman who made them got two dollars a

1:03:07

day. Maybe yeah,

1:03:11

anything, Look, because it's really hard

1:03:13

to buy ethically. But when we're talking about trafficking,

1:03:16

how often are we talking about agriculture

1:03:18

trafficking? Who grew the food

1:03:20

that we eat? Yeah? Well, people cherry pick what they

1:03:22

want to give a shit about it, and a lot of times it has anything to

1:03:24

do with sexuality. They're like, no, bad evil,

1:03:26

It's like, what are you fucking afraid of? Right?

1:03:29

It's it's it's

1:03:32

really hard to buy ethically, but we do the

1:03:34

best we can. I have people who say,

1:03:36

how can I find an escort? How can I find someone

1:03:39

who will give me the touch I haven't had in years?

1:03:41

Or ever? How do I do this and make sure

1:03:43

that they're not being trafficked? And I say, you know what, I'm

1:03:46

having a harder time finding you those people

1:03:49

because they're we don't have Backpage

1:03:51

anymore. Backpage got rated two

1:03:54

days or they were being prosecuted

1:03:56

already. They were rated two days before

1:03:58

Fast and Sets to pass. So in this case,

1:04:01

the criminal justice system was working the way it's supposed

1:04:03

to. Backpage was guilty of having

1:04:05

ads on their website that featured miners,

1:04:08

so people underage and people being trafficked.

1:04:10

The problem is every website that's used

1:04:12

for communication will feature miners on it. Some guy

1:04:14

who's trying to hustle children on

1:04:17

Fortnite a couple of weeks ago, Oh my gosh,

1:04:19

so do we ban Fortnite? Do

1:04:21

we band schools? Do we ban? Okay?

1:04:25

Well, and when you say they're featuring

1:04:27

girls who are underage? Are these photos? And we're guessing

1:04:30

are these people? Like? So, how do we know? I interviewed

1:04:32

an Escort. Escort interviewed.

1:04:35

I interviewed and Escort a couple of weeks

1:04:38

ago. She's an episode thirty

1:04:40

six of my podcast Strange Bedfellows. She's

1:04:42

been doing sex work of varying degrees for

1:04:44

a few decades. Daphne rose Um,

1:04:47

and she said that when Foss

1:04:49

sends us to past the ads

1:04:51

that she before, you could kind of look at and and be like,

1:04:55

this is a bot, or this is someone

1:04:57

running these pages, this is an adult running these

1:04:59

girls page just this is a pimp, she said, you could

1:05:01

tell who's being trafficked, and you can tell who

1:05:03

wasn't. And when Foston Sessa passed,

1:05:06

those ads disappeared, but

1:05:08

those victims didn't go away. It

1:05:10

means that now the man who's managing all those

1:05:13

girls meets other men, bar, party, gambling,

1:05:15

whatever. It says, oh you want sex, So it's an underground

1:05:18

up. It's always on an underground thing. Absolutely,

1:05:20

And and the and the way these bills are proposed like in

1:05:23

Congress and they're introduced at the House. A lot

1:05:25

of this is this happens a lot. It happens with anything

1:05:27

regulating a woman's body. I get abortion, where

1:05:30

you'll will say that this bill is for

1:05:32

this great cause that everyone of course is

1:05:34

in supportive because we're not fucking monsters.

1:05:36

But then deep within the bill, it's like if the if the

1:05:38

blades of grass and the lawn of the abortion clinic are

1:05:41

over two inches in length, and we have the right to shut

1:05:43

it down, and it's like, how do we how

1:05:45

do we fucking get these little details

1:05:48

that are ruining the integrity of the actual

1:05:50

bill. It's like it's like a fucking It's like a news

1:05:52

headline. It's like you there's one hand line and then you read

1:05:54

the article and you're like, this is a totally different things.

1:05:57

It's misleading. Is there a way because you made

1:06:00

in creminology. I don't know if they covered that. But

1:06:02

we need to consult with the people that these bills

1:06:04

impact, right right,

1:06:07

they need to be her you know, they need to be like

1:06:10

not town halls for fucking Howard

1:06:13

Schultz. A few years

1:06:15

ago, I was contacted by some lobbyists. I

1:06:17

love your question, and they said, we hear

1:06:19

that there's a lot of concerns in your industry, in the sex

1:06:21

work industry. We want to help. It was a social

1:06:23

Work UM lobbyist related firm.

1:06:25

It was National Association

1:06:28

of n

1:06:30

A s W National Association of Social

1:06:33

Work um PacWest Division.

1:06:35

There we go and so they said, we want

1:06:37

to help. And so I contacted as many people

1:06:39

I could on like online forums back when

1:06:41

they existed, UM come to

1:06:43

this meeting. We came to a meeting. There's thirty forty

1:06:46

live entertainers from the state of Oregon, which

1:06:48

covers comics, singers, UM,

1:06:51

strippers, fired dancers, all

1:06:53

kinds of live entertainments.

1:06:55

Yeah. Well, the fire Marshal a few years ago put

1:06:58

a bunch of building restrictions

1:07:01

in place too, which effectively shuttered

1:07:03

that because they hated

1:07:05

the adult industry. They

1:07:08

probably put it under the guise of feelings

1:07:11

to burn down and neither do you right, No,

1:07:13

we don't. Yeah, so where

1:07:15

is it going anyway? So they gathered us all together. There's

1:07:17

so many different concerns because you have people coming from different

1:07:19

backgrounds of class and race and

1:07:22

gender and orientation believed or not not

1:07:24

all strippers or sex workers are fam

1:07:27

women, right, And we also do

1:07:29

a great disservice by saying these trafficked

1:07:31

women, what about boys,

1:07:34

teens, youth, queer runaway?

1:07:36

These are the people who tend to do street level sex work

1:07:38

anyway because their parents are like, you're gay,

1:07:41

get out of my house. Where does the kid go? The first

1:07:43

adult at the mala says, yeah, you can live with me. You just

1:07:45

got to do some favors and giving the money.

1:07:48

Yeah, especially the trans community. I mean like like

1:07:50

like it's like eight statistically

1:07:52

of trans people have engaged in sex work just to

1:07:54

get by. People don't hire them and they won't. I mean

1:07:57

yeah, I mean I can remember like one time I walked

1:07:59

into the gap and I saw trans work and I was like, thank God,

1:08:01

like someone is higher and maybe not stop

1:08:03

any way to feel yeah, because it's like you,

1:08:06

it was the first time it was, so it stood

1:08:08

out so much to me because you just don't see it.

1:08:10

And I live in New York City. So if I'm not seeing

1:08:12

it regularly in New York City, like where are we seeing

1:08:15

yet? Yeah, So there's

1:08:17

a lot going on. So gathered all these people

1:08:19

together, we said, how about this, Let's create a

1:08:21

hotline where live entertainers, no matter

1:08:23

their background or what their issues are, they can call someone

1:08:26

and they can get resources. How do I do my

1:08:28

taxes if I'm a nineteen year old comic or stripper

1:08:30

and I don't talk to my parents, you know, or

1:08:33

my boss as a rapist? How do I report this? So

1:08:36

we passed this bill got bipartisan

1:08:39

support. It was called HB fifty

1:08:41

nine. I believe it's been a few years. And

1:08:43

so I went and I had the meetings,

1:08:46

and I talked to the representatives that I wanted to get

1:08:48

vote on this bill, and I had some of my people come

1:08:50

with me, because believe or not, live

1:08:52

entertainers tend to be people

1:08:54

that don't want to get up at six in the morning to drive a sale,

1:08:57

that is correct, and sex

1:08:59

workers aka strippers don't want

1:09:01

to get up at six in the morning and drive the sale,

1:09:04

but also show up in a room and say this is

1:09:06

the work I do. Yeah. Um.

1:09:09

So in speaking with the

1:09:11

Democrats, it was really funny because I'm like, this is

1:09:13

a human rights issue, you know, like we have

1:09:15

to prevent traffic, and which is great.

1:09:18

But I went to the Republicans and I was

1:09:20

like, this is a fiscal issue. You guys can

1:09:22

close down all these Yeah.

1:09:25

I'm like, they are out clubs where the roofs are leaking,

1:09:27

and this is a safety issue, and what a waste of tax parer

1:09:30

money. They were like, you're right, so

1:09:33

that's great. You gotta hustle up. Yeah. One

1:09:37

of the only benefits to being raised Republicans.

1:09:39

Sorry, parents, you sucked me over. I had

1:09:41

to undo a lot of shit, but I

1:09:43

have insight onto how they think. Yeah. Yeah,

1:09:46

both of my parents are also Republican and my dad, my dads

1:09:48

always encouraged me to vote. But he was like, what are

1:09:51

these issues? What are these candidates? Standford? He was fiscal,

1:09:53

he was all fiscal and I was so short, so

1:09:56

a true moderate. Um. So

1:10:00

that was a few years ago. So we passed this hotline

1:10:02

the Bureau of Labor and Industry Bully,

1:10:05

which at the time was run by a guy Brad Vaki

1:10:07

in UM. He did not run it. Well,

1:10:10

okay, uh. It was supposed

1:10:12

to be fifty dollars to fund it. It was

1:10:14

called a dust fund. So fifty dollars

1:10:16

a year from the state of organ is a pretty low fund.

1:10:19

I heard other reps say it's a dust bond. It's hardly

1:10:21

anything to staff it. We're just paying the person,

1:10:24

the resource worker who would answer

1:10:26

the phone and say, here's the resources

1:10:28

that we have accumulated. Just one person.

1:10:31

Well we have a twenty four hours, but a couple of ships.

1:10:33

Okay. So what happened was I called the hotline.

1:10:35

I had people tell me they called the hotline. There

1:10:37

was no one there. There was a message machine

1:10:39

where you could leave your information, which nobody's

1:10:42

going to do that if they're fearing repercussions

1:10:44

from brand so and also

1:10:46

person they had staffed to hire. It had a long history

1:10:48

with like a lot of conflict in working in the adult industry,

1:10:51

so it didn't seem like a good choice. The

1:10:54

seen fiscal crisis of Oregon

1:10:57

being like three billion dollars short

1:11:00

smashed it shut and I was happy because it was embarrassing.

1:11:03

It worked very hard, and it was a good idea and it

1:11:05

would be a great idea again, but it had to be it has

1:11:07

to take seriously. Yeah. Yeah, So Bowley

1:11:09

has a new commissioner. I believe it's the title

1:11:12

Valve Hoyle. She was

1:11:14

she sounds better than Barrett. Yeah, she's a democrat.

1:11:17

I met her. Um I think that's

1:11:20

the thing that when you work with people and you know this, whether

1:11:22

it's your clients or like your supporters

1:11:25

or people facilitating, there's so many names instead

1:11:27

of some of you have like three names on

1:11:30

Instagram, Facebook, in person. So

1:11:32

I thought even like Sarah Michelle Geller, yeah, like

1:11:36

my reference in my UM.

1:11:39

So what people can do if they want to help

1:11:41

these populations is you need to get feedback.

1:11:44

You need to source these populations. That's one.

1:11:48

Also give feedback

1:11:50

to the media companies that you see

1:11:53

where you see things that you're like, that feels

1:11:56

wrong. Every time I see adult industry

1:11:58

portrayed on TV, ninety

1:12:01

eight percent of the time it's wrong, and only

1:12:03

because in the last two years more of us are

1:12:06

being able to create our own content.

1:12:08

It's an example of where the

1:12:10

adult entry is being portrayed inaccurately. So

1:12:13

there's this mentality. There's either the villain

1:12:15

or the victim mentality like theme

1:12:18

archetype that tends to be portrayed over and over

1:12:20

again. If you're a sex worker, you're either probably

1:12:22

like a hustling, heartless bitch that like

1:12:24

screws over all your clients, or

1:12:28

you are like a victim who is being

1:12:30

screwed over by all your clients and your boyfriend.

1:12:32

Probably, so people

1:12:34

are complex. Labor is complex.

1:12:37

Um. I don't know what it's like to

1:12:40

Oh hi, are you feeling me? Um?

1:12:44

I don't know what it's like to be a

1:12:46

kindergarten teacher, but it sounds like fucking hell

1:12:48

to me because I have a six year old. Yeah,

1:12:51

and I like my child, but even sometimes I'm like, I

1:12:54

can't believe. I try. I like plan to have you.

1:12:56

I have a part. The

1:12:59

best part about having an if you get back exactly.

1:13:02

Um My ex cousin's watching her right now.

1:13:04

He's a great guy. Um, so

1:13:08

where the hell is it going? Anyway? People do all kinds of different

1:13:10

work, and just because it's not for you doesn't

1:13:12

mean someone else doesn't want to do it. This

1:13:14

is Portland's so many of you know this. You're getting bored?

1:13:17

Well, so wait, so let's um, what's your favorite

1:13:19

hat to wear? You were a lot of hats. I know. I

1:13:22

do favorite sleep very much. You

1:13:25

know what, We're so lucky. I love them all. I

1:13:27

love talking about sex, I love learning about

1:13:29

sex. I love trying to have better sex and touch.

1:13:32

When do you feel the sexiest? Oh?

1:13:34

My god, Holy sh it, that was a real moment.

1:13:37

I'm inflecting. I didn't

1:13:39

expect to feel as human. When do I feel

1:13:41

as sexist? Um? I

1:13:44

feel the sexist probably when

1:13:49

I just

1:13:55

don't say parentsing and you're safe. Oh

1:13:59

why as I Yeah, because I go to strip

1:14:01

clubs a lot, and um, one of the reasons why

1:14:04

I love going is because the strippers

1:14:06

make me feel so sexy and the sex

1:14:08

I have when I go with a partner. Afterwards,

1:14:11

I moved differently. My body

1:14:13

is. I feel like my shape changes because

1:14:15

I've just watched these beautiful, sensual woman

1:14:17

women and I feel like I'm a better I'm better

1:14:20

fucking after I called the football. So

1:14:23

I don't know if I

1:14:26

just like came, like I just my heart just came.

1:14:28

That was so beautiful because I was like, you know, like after you get

1:14:30

off a plane and you feel so bloated and then

1:14:32

you like go to the bathroom and your stomach gets flat

1:14:34

again and you're like back to one

1:14:37

baby bed. Tell

1:14:39

him of cheese platter. Couldn't take me down

1:14:41

this time. Delta's

1:14:44

the best zero

1:14:47

K one silver medallion number.

1:14:49

Um, I feel the sexiest and

1:14:52

you just gave me this epiphany. I feel the sexiest

1:14:54

when I make other people feel sexy. Oh

1:14:57

there that and that's a

1:14:59

lot of times, like I have a lot of friends that are sex workers

1:15:01

and they'll talk to me about their experiences. I'm like, wow,

1:15:03

you like really helped that man and

1:15:06

the ones that I'm friends with, our women

1:15:08

who then, and what

1:15:10

my clients are. You don't get me wrong, but but

1:15:13

it's so the stories this one friend tells me

1:15:15

are beautiful, Like these men don't have

1:15:17

the opportunity, like she's a really beautiful girl, and

1:15:19

a lot of times like they'll they'll be at of a divorce, they

1:15:21

don't with they were married to a partner

1:15:24

who didn't touch them, didn't look at them for years, they

1:15:26

didn't make them feel sexy. And we talked

1:15:28

about a lot about you know, women's rights and women's

1:15:30

it's how important women's sexuality is because

1:15:32

we are women, but it's so important that men feel sexy

1:15:34

too. And I want to be with

1:15:36

a man who feels sexy, right, So the

1:15:38

story that she tells me about these men and that she she

1:15:41

sees them coming alive for the first time in

1:15:43

probably years, that warms

1:15:46

my fucking heart. And so yeah, I can't

1:15:48

imagine the and it's and it's

1:15:50

not just men too, there's a lot of there's

1:15:52

people of all genders, and I get a lot of queer folks,

1:15:54

and I get a lot of trans folks. I have to say, men

1:15:56

and women when they come into the club.

1:16:00

Men and women express entitlement

1:16:02

the same way. The only people who don't

1:16:04

push my boundaries tend to be Transfolkes

1:16:07

was saying, how did they persue

1:16:10

their boundaries being pushed all the time and people inquiring

1:16:12

on their space? And like I've given tens

1:16:15

thousands of lap dances. Okay, women

1:16:18

will grab me as much as men will, but they'll

1:16:20

feel like it's okay because I had a pissy

1:16:22

tier right, talks

1:16:24

about that before, like even at Meat and Great's Like, I mean

1:16:27

not, we have a lot more women coming out to see

1:16:29

us, so obviously, like that's the number of thing. But like I

1:16:32

don't ever remember a man in

1:16:35

this instance touching me and inappropriately

1:16:37

and women do it all the time. Don't touch like our

1:16:39

boobs. Yeah wow, that was a bold choice.

1:16:41

Yeah, but not be bad at this very instant But

1:16:43

like that's like, yeah,

1:16:46

you still don't know that, you still don't given them permission to touch

1:16:49

you. It still feels weird. People

1:16:51

have trauma. People don't

1:16:55

owe you anything. Um. So

1:16:57

it's really interesting because you say men coming alive,

1:16:59

but there's a women who come alive too, and I mean

1:17:01

I come alive the fires.

1:17:05

I'm human. Uh So, But

1:17:07

it's really interesting because men and women both

1:17:09

they expressed so many different things, but they're expressing

1:17:12

them in gendered ways because it's been how they've been

1:17:14

raised to express them, and so, um,

1:17:16

women will feel like women and men will

1:17:19

both feel guilty for their pleasure. They're

1:17:21

like, oh god, I'm so sorry you have to do

1:17:23

this right now, like they say that to

1:17:25

you. Yeah. People be like when I had a woman, she

1:17:28

her friend bought her a couple of songs, and this will happen

1:17:30

where the person who buys the songs didn't communicate

1:17:32

with the person who's about to receive the songs. So

1:17:35

I go up, I'm like, hey, may I borrow you? And they're

1:17:37

like, oh no, would

1:17:39

you like to? I you don't have to,

1:17:42

but okay, she's like okay. She pounds

1:17:44

or drink follows me and she's like, I'm so sorry

1:17:46

you have to do this. I was like way

1:17:49

to way to make the mood ship yeah,

1:17:53

or I probably could offended.

1:17:55

You could offend it. Well, it kind of hurts because

1:17:57

I'm like, oh shit, you believe the victim mentality

1:17:59

that you saw TV? Then that's yeah.

1:18:03

Um. Could it also be like their insecurity with

1:18:05

like receiving the lap dance together?

1:18:07

And I think that's also like, you know, if

1:18:09

I was to say that, that's how I would feel like, Oh,

1:18:12

I like I feel uncomfortable that this is happening

1:18:14

right now, especially because it wasn't communicated within

1:18:17

you know, like a like a friend just bought it for

1:18:19

you and things that you want it, but maybe you don't

1:18:21

want that close of an interaction. Yeah, And that's totally

1:18:23

fair and legitimate too. And that's why I don't get upset when

1:18:25

people don't want to dance, like no, thank you because

1:18:28

it took me. Again, I said, I'm thirty two. It took

1:18:30

me until about seven years ago to get a

1:18:32

pedicure because I'm like, I

1:18:34

don't know what a person touched my gross feet? Really?

1:18:38

Wow? Yeah,

1:18:41

I know, like this is their job. It's

1:18:43

kind of irrelevant whether or not they like it, but

1:18:46

like if they're showing up. I'm going to hope they're not being

1:18:48

forced to again. It doesn't matter what you

1:18:50

do, Like, is this person able to keep a

1:18:53

reasonable amount of their money and leave after

1:18:55

like eight or ten hours. There was actually

1:18:57

a really interesting New York Times article a couple

1:18:59

of years about just that, and I

1:19:01

mean, I don't want to get into because I'm not in the nail industry.

1:19:03

But it was bleached. Yeah, no,

1:19:06

it could have fooled me. Look at those I know. Well, this is

1:19:08

from finger Bang. Shout out, I

1:19:11

actually know. Shout out to Glenna's the

1:19:14

owner of finger Bang. It's a great

1:19:16

name for a nail place. I love

1:19:18

finger Bank supports the strippers. What she

1:19:21

doesn't mind me saying that, what's something? What's

1:19:23

like the dumbest thing that's ever come

1:19:25

out of somebody's mouth? With him? You were stripping in front

1:19:27

of them? Oh my god. So as

1:19:30

I get older, um, and

1:19:32

I would love. I mean, look, I

1:19:34

can be a sex worker until I die.

1:19:37

Basically, I met a sixty something or old woman where

1:19:39

she's we were doing a sex worker like get

1:19:41

together and she's like, yeah, I mostly

1:19:43

just do like hand jobs these days. I was like, why,

1:19:46

she's like one my pussy is like dry

1:19:48

and it kind of hurts. Oh fu.

1:19:50

Yeah that is a very real answer. So but

1:19:53

like I have time, so um yeah

1:19:56

again, where was it going with this? What was the question? The

1:19:59

dumbest things almost set it to Okay,

1:20:01

So the thing I'm encountering more of which

1:20:03

is just oh, mommy

1:20:05

loves this. Um. When a twenty

1:20:08

one year old comes in boy or girl, not

1:20:10

a queer transperson because again they're fucking

1:20:12

respectful, um, and they're like, show

1:20:15

me what you got baby, Oh yeah, girl, fucking

1:20:18

work that thing and they have a dollar and I'm like, what,

1:20:22

I have been doing this job since you were

1:20:25

in elementary school, sucker.

1:20:28

Oh my god, I've literally I'm just stripping for ten

1:20:30

years and I love my job. My knees

1:20:32

hurt like ship but from all the dancing and

1:20:34

crawling, um, and I popped some ribs out

1:20:36

sometime, but it's yeah, pol

1:20:39

work is hard. Well yeah, oh yes.

1:20:42

So I think that things that just generally irritate

1:20:45

me are this this weird ideas ideas

1:20:47

people have coming into the club where

1:20:49

I'm like, you've never even been in this environment before,

1:20:52

but I see you repeating the script of

1:20:54

Ship and I know where you've got it from. You got it from

1:20:56

TV, you got it from family guy. SA

1:21:00

mcfarlean hates sex workers. Really, Oh

1:21:02

god, who two?

1:21:05

What has he said about them? I'll google

1:21:07

it, But mcfarlean hates sex workers

1:21:10

was a great um written piece on tits and sas

1:21:12

dot com, which is a media site all buy

1:21:14

and four sex workers. UM, tits

1:21:17

and sas, not tips and asks.

1:21:19

That's a different site, s A s S. I

1:21:22

guess one day she's

1:21:24

like, how do your articles not on this website? And so want

1:21:26

your ask? Mom?

1:21:29

Thanks mom, Um. Tina

1:21:32

Fey hates sex workers? Say you mentioned TF

1:21:34

and Lena's on him? We kind of all know because like Lena's

1:21:36

on him is doing a lot of great stuff, but she really is

1:21:39

adamant with her you know, the

1:21:41

victim mentality with her anti sex work

1:21:43

thing. But as someone who has never done

1:21:46

sex works or or

1:21:48

has employed, I have someone who has

1:21:50

employed a sex worker to have sex

1:21:53

with me and that and I gotta say it

1:21:55

was empowering. It felt amazing.

1:21:58

I felt like I wasn't insecure or about

1:22:00

all the things I usually been secure about. I feel

1:22:02

like you didn't have to get him off at the end

1:22:04

because I could tell him the lead because he got me off and

1:22:06

I didn't have to tuck his dick and I didn't want to put

1:22:08

the moment and it was just wonderful. It

1:22:10

was just after I employed a sex

1:22:13

worker. I was I was like, oh, I mean I

1:22:15

had My views are similar, but I'm just I feel

1:22:17

so much more passionate about it because I'm like, you guys don't understand

1:22:20

if you employ a sex worker, like the service that

1:22:22

that is doing is incredible. It gets your confidence

1:22:24

back. It just makes you feel like a woman or a

1:22:26

man or whoever you are, and it's just good. That's

1:22:29

so wonderful to hear um. And it's not like you

1:22:31

can't have a bad experience with any provider,

1:22:33

because I hear that too, people like I went to a striple

1:22:35

I was terrible. Like I'm sure I went to a sandwich

1:22:38

place. It was fucking awful. Yeah, every

1:22:40

CD I park

1:22:42

either, and the thing is strip close have yelled for

1:22:45

reviews so you can read them, and I always

1:22:47

did. Yeah, there's

1:22:49

some good ones of me on there. In

1:22:52

two thousand and ten, I spit on a guy

1:22:54

in a flower jumpsuit. What I

1:22:57

don't drink that much anymore? What

1:23:00

did he do before you sit on him? He was throwing

1:23:03

poker chips at the girls and calling us

1:23:05

names. Yes see. It confuses

1:23:07

me when stories like that even exists, because it's like, okay,

1:23:09

did no one remove this person from what

1:23:12

happened? Okay after but I'm okay,

1:23:16

do you get a horny when you stripped? I

1:23:19

I become sexually activated when I stripped

1:23:22

for a few reasons. Sometimes it's psychological. Sometimes

1:23:25

it's just because there's a lot of sexually relevant ship going

1:23:27

on and my brain is like, oh, it's it's

1:23:29

pussy time. Is it pussy time? I think

1:23:32

because I suck. I sucked people of all genders.

1:23:34

So when my coworker comes up

1:23:36

to me, it's like hey babe, I'm like hello.

1:23:42

Um So

1:23:45

I noticed when I when

1:23:47

I was a young teenager, and I don't know about

1:23:49

you guys, but I felt a lot of pressure to

1:23:51

shade my pussy. So I started shaving my pussy. And

1:23:54

I still like, do some hair stuff, hair

1:23:56

removal. But I remember when I started shaving my pussy.

1:23:58

I would always notice. I was like, why am I wet? Why

1:24:00

am I lubricated? Because I was having

1:24:03

a physical response to the contact.

1:24:05

And this is the same reason people get boners when

1:24:07

they ride the bus or get wet

1:24:09

when somebody sexually assaults them and

1:24:12

have physical reaction. And this is news

1:24:14

to some people not to others. But that's called

1:24:16

arousal non concordance. So

1:24:19

by Dr Emily Nagowski,

1:24:21

she's the researcher behind that. Right, we call

1:24:23

it a pussy alarm on the show, but that,

1:24:26

yeah, that is the official name. If you wanted

1:24:28

to have a conversation about it, that was appropriate.

1:24:31

So yeah, and it's and then how confusing it must

1:24:33

be to be sexually assaulted but then show

1:24:35

signs of being aroused and not understand that's

1:24:38

defense mechanism and yeah, involuntary

1:24:40

reaction. Yeah, so there's a lot that goes on. Um,

1:24:43

so I do become arouse sometimes

1:24:45

most of the time I'm not, but I'm still You

1:24:47

have to be in a state of energy to

1:24:50

be able to interact with people that way. Surely

1:24:52

get like a sensual kind of energy my

1:24:54

showing am I like put my phone in the corner and

1:24:56

I'm like, just that the ship set isn't

1:24:59

into thought because I could make a real kill

1:25:01

A Yeah, some guy lost the

1:25:04

girl that's going to ignore him. Is it Daria

1:25:06

role play? How

1:25:11

often wherever have you

1:25:13

been sexually attracted to the people that employ

1:25:15

your services? Yeah? My

1:25:18

ex husband who's watching our daughter. I

1:25:20

met him at the club. Um.

1:25:27

The last woman I had sex with I

1:25:29

met at the club. Um,

1:25:32

my partner right now, I met at

1:25:34

the club. Wow. You know I've

1:25:37

been working there for ten years. And if

1:25:39

you're a workaholic, like you might not necessarily

1:25:41

meet people other places. Right. Oh, it's

1:25:43

a comic guy, get it. Yeah. And also

1:25:45

it's good to test my sexual radar because

1:25:48

I can already tell if I like the way you smell, if

1:25:52

you interact well together, like um,

1:25:55

if you don't tip well, if you treat

1:25:57

my coworkers like shit, like well, that's

1:25:59

a great screening process. How do you hold

1:26:01

yourself in an adult environment? Now?

1:26:04

What if you want so you've done you've

1:26:06

done sexual things for payment as work,

1:26:08

but then you do sexual things for pleasure. Where's

1:26:11

the line? Because what if you want to fux somebody

1:26:13

but then they want to pay you. But then you're like, I

1:26:15

would I have a little more serious about this. Maybe

1:26:17

we would have had that conversation. Okay,

1:26:20

Okay, Um, if any

1:26:22

of my friends ever feel like they want to just

1:26:24

give me money and we have sex sometimes

1:26:27

that's fine, but so like, has it happened?

1:26:30

Well, I mean, look see your people's venmos,

1:26:32

Like I know who you hang out with. I'm like, you guys are sending each

1:26:34

other money all the time, like you

1:26:37

because I've tried to pay. I tried to pay

1:26:40

a man for sex and then he said,

1:26:42

well, he said it wasn't enough, but

1:26:46

I was like, we've already had sex. Yeah,

1:26:49

the payment wasn't up on the table

1:26:51

before this because there was there was a kinky

1:26:53

there was a kinkiness to that there,

1:26:56

because it's like it's a power dynamic of power kink.

1:27:00

I don't know, but I feel like some people would

1:27:02

take offense to that. I mean like I didn't

1:27:04

throw it and I was going to give it like an envelope or

1:27:06

something. I would adam on the way

1:27:09

out after that, that's for um.

1:27:12

Yeah. I remember watching not

1:27:14

at the time when it came out because I was too young, But some of

1:27:16

you might remember the Sex in the City

1:27:18

where Sarah Jessica Parker speaking of that name,

1:27:21

didn't expect her that name twice tonight did you love

1:27:23

her where she's pissed

1:27:25

because the guy leaves her an envelope? And right,

1:27:28

right, right, yeah, I remember that. It

1:27:30

was very interesting to watch that through my eyes

1:27:32

now where I'm like, girl, that's

1:27:35

a tip, like, holy sh it,

1:27:37

how many of us have had sex with people for free

1:27:40

and then you just got money? I don't know,

1:27:42

why are you mad? Well? It's also

1:27:44

another another equivalent you could argue

1:27:47

of, like if somebody sucks me good, you know, like

1:27:49

Beyonce says, take his aster a box or take him

1:27:51

out to dinner, you know, do something, and that's it's form

1:27:53

of like showing appreciation. The

1:27:56

way someone feels about that feels

1:27:58

more probably about how feel about sex

1:28:00

workers, because if

1:28:03

you are that piste off that someone thought you were

1:28:05

a professional sex worker, then you probably believe

1:28:08

the villain or the victim mentality exactly.

1:28:10

Otherwise you're like, oh, they thought I was a professional

1:28:13

and they were willing to give me money.

1:28:15

Yeah? Cool again? Now,

1:28:19

how different other than the obvious, Um,

1:28:21

there's there's terms and things you negotiate that

1:28:23

are different up top, But the sex you have for

1:28:26

work and the sex you have purely for pleasure,

1:28:28

what's the difference. So I haven't done full

1:28:30

service sex work in a couple of years. There's

1:28:33

a few reasons for that. Um. My last

1:28:35

appointment I went to I there was a

1:28:37

cop car in the parking lot, and I'm like, not

1:28:40

worth it, not worth it? Um,

1:28:43

so it's still illegal. Um it's

1:28:45

way harder to find clients now with

1:28:47

foss and sus to being removed. So again, like,

1:28:49

how do the consensual workers advertise

1:28:52

when I can't even post a link

1:28:54

to my podcast that talks about sex

1:28:56

work and Instagram will take it down because

1:28:58

it's adult content. God forbid,

1:29:01

I'm trafficking myself like this

1:29:03

is this? These are the effects of Foston sesta. I

1:29:05

can't even get my word out. So's the loopholes

1:29:08

that were buried in that building traffic

1:29:10

children? Um,

1:29:14

So it's illegal, it's it's dangerous.

1:29:16

I'm lucky. I'm in a socio economic

1:29:18

position where I don't have to do

1:29:21

work that I don't feel is worth to me. I

1:29:24

have to do work that's very hard and challenging and stresses

1:29:26

me out, but I still request my schedule

1:29:29

at the club and choose the articles I

1:29:31

want to write, and do consulting

1:29:33

with folks that I think I can answer their questions and

1:29:35

give them resource. Um, my

1:29:38

worst job I ever had was working

1:29:40

Let's see which one was the worst one. Probably

1:29:43

my worst one was working at Ralph's

1:29:45

grocery store in San Marcos, California, next

1:29:47

to cal State University San Marcos.

1:29:50

They treat you like ship there, or they treat

1:29:52

me like ship. So what

1:29:55

was the question? The question the difference

1:29:57

between the sex you would have for work as

1:30:00

in exchange, and the sex you have for pleasure. Do

1:30:02

you move differently? Do you? Obviously

1:30:04

the conversation about top is different, Like what's

1:30:06

what's your like? Your your mental state? If

1:30:09

I'm working, then it's performative.

1:30:11

You know, it's for the person who's

1:30:13

paying me. Um. I also

1:30:16

would like to have a decent time throughout. But

1:30:19

uh, if it's with a person that I have other

1:30:21

agreements with, then those are probably

1:30:23

implied or have already been negotiated. So.

1:30:27

UM, when so I said

1:30:29

that I met my previous partners

1:30:31

at the club. Uh, when

1:30:34

I first had a date with

1:30:36

my now partner a couple two and a half

1:30:38

years ago. Um, after

1:30:41

we looked up for the first time, I told

1:30:43

him the next day, I said, you're still welcome

1:30:46

to visit, but let me know beforehand, because

1:30:48

you're not really my client anymore. Um,

1:30:51

you can tip me when I'm on stage. Of course,

1:30:55

I don't feel like I want to accept money

1:30:57

for lap dances from you anymore, because I mean, we

1:30:59

fell in love overnight. It was yeah,

1:31:01

we was. It wasn't like a slow dating process. So I

1:31:04

was just like, wow, your role in my life,

1:31:06

my role in your life has shifted, things

1:31:09

have changed. So um, once

1:31:11

in a while I'll text and be like, it's low, come

1:31:13

in, come get because if

1:31:16

anything, he's making me look busy okay, And then it's

1:31:18

like that whole like perceived value thing where the other

1:31:20

pliers are like that yeah,

1:31:23

team he helps Yeah, or he'll like tip at the stage

1:31:25

and get the other ones going. Um, or

1:31:27

he'll bite. He asked me a couple of weeks ago. He says, can

1:31:29

I buy a dance from so and so because

1:31:31

maybe I don't like that bitch one of my co workers.

1:31:33

And I was like, yeah, I go do it. And then you wanted to

1:31:35

buy a dance from somebody you didn't like? No, no, no, no. He

1:31:38

was checking if it was okay to

1:31:40

make sure he liked that bit right. Okay,

1:31:42

Yeah, I got it, got it? Said yes, fine,

1:31:45

you can give her money. Um, and

1:31:47

you get jealous. Well, we're also no monogmous.

1:31:49

We do nominox stuff too. He

1:31:52

said, you had a sex with a lady recently.

1:31:55

But like, okay, so, like, is

1:31:57

there a sex in the champagne room? Like I know that's like a half

1:32:00

question, but I really don't. I'm very naive about

1:32:02

a lot of things, and I

1:32:04

do want to real, Christine, I really would like to

1:32:06

know. I would like to know because I don't want

1:32:08

to ask anything that's not allowed. But it

1:32:11

still work there, so I don't won't give all my stuff, okay

1:32:13

it, but like I don't like but he

1:32:16

kind of allowed to do whatever he wants. Where

1:32:18

I work. There's no sex

1:32:20

in the club because, first of all, as a small club,

1:32:22

it would be hard to hide that. Also, that's

1:32:25

just kind of rude. I don't want to deal with like extra bodily

1:32:27

fluids that I didn't agree to. Yes, okay,

1:32:30

and like ethical issues, it's kind of the same reason

1:32:32

or not the same. But here's a similar reason I don't

1:32:35

do like blood contact. I don't I will

1:32:37

never draw blood on a client, like hit them hard enough

1:32:39

to where I think I could draw blood on them, because there's hitting

1:32:41

asking hit

1:32:43

me and draw blood is a question. Yeah, as

1:32:46

hard as you can. Well, I don't like drawing

1:32:48

blood because you shouldn't have blood,

1:32:50

yeahs staying

1:32:53

under your skin. Yeah, so it's weird

1:32:56

a couple of reasons. It's just kind of rude to

1:32:58

do that stuff. It's well,

1:33:01

yeah, and it's not. It might not be the most the sansary

1:33:03

environment. If you are going to engage in blood play

1:33:05

you, I would think you would want to have the proper precaution.

1:33:08

Well, also, most of close self food, that's

1:33:10

true. You don't want to get some blood splatters, and the

1:33:14

kitchen is on the other side of a lot of room.

1:33:16

Good um to people.

1:33:18

Food. People's good,

1:33:21

you're good one, I see. I would thought that was their

1:33:24

everybody's version of every playbook for the articles

1:33:26

and like you don't really eat the food to you, but then

1:33:28

it is, it's good, it's good. I need to eat more of the

1:33:30

food. Look fast and stressed me out. It's so bad

1:33:32

as this last year I've lost twenty pounds

1:33:34

and I not have twenty pounds to lose. I'm skinny

1:33:36

as fuck you guys. You can see this. Yeah, so

1:33:39

yes, I eat the food. If you ever want to buy me

1:33:41

food when you're at the club, say hey, oh would you like some food?

1:33:43

And I'll say yeah, fucking depressed some starving

1:33:46

people. Yeah, good to know because

1:33:49

I need to do it because I felt like a little Renaissance

1:33:51

fairy. You know he has this turkey

1:33:53

leg bring it

1:33:56

to the stage. Yeah yeah yeah, as

1:33:58

the time my dad gave a half eaten hot

1:34:00

dog to a Renaissance Fair performer and he was

1:34:02

she really was committed, so she ate it. So I think

1:34:05

that has caused Um,

1:34:09

your um rules

1:34:11

are with your open relationship, but amish

1:34:13

relationship nomenogamous. So uh,

1:34:16

the agreements are ever changing because

1:34:19

that's humanity. Yeah, the relationship

1:34:22

is ever changing. Um. When something

1:34:24

wants when someone wants something to change, do you

1:34:26

like call a meeting? Do you write an email like

1:34:28

what happened now? Session? Yeah? I

1:34:30

don't want that

1:34:33

fish looked at me wait started

1:34:37

either amenmous oh I would

1:34:39

have mad amendments if I

1:34:41

got jealous or so. I don't know. I have

1:34:43

found that the more agreements to try to make,

1:34:46

the easier it is to accidentally cross the line

1:34:48

or upset somebody. So I

1:34:50

have some we I have some very simple

1:34:52

things. I like to suggest. My current partner

1:34:54

is a few years younger than me, and which

1:34:57

is I call him stepdaddy, but that's yet

1:35:00

daddy because he's got so

1:35:04

what I feel comfortable with. Because I am

1:35:06

a pretty private person at home, I also

1:35:09

co parent, so I have my child's ship everywhere.

1:35:11

I have my ship everywhere. I'm kind of a germ

1:35:13

germ afoe. Um. I'm

1:35:15

like, I don't want anybody at the houses because we lived

1:35:17

together. So I'm like, nobody at the house at least

1:35:19

initially and there until we like if

1:35:22

we were sucking the person together and I both we

1:35:24

had a close relationship. UM

1:35:26

so actually not yet okay,

1:35:31

fun, Um, so

1:35:33

nobody at the house. Um, you

1:35:35

have to ask, you have to. I don't

1:35:38

usually say have to, but you have to ask them when was

1:35:40

the last time you're tested? And can talk about your

1:35:42

screening history and your partners? UM

1:35:44

asked him if they have any other partners, because

1:35:47

what's happened once was

1:35:49

he got into

1:35:52

a brief interaction with a woman and it was going

1:35:55

well and I was happy for him, and the red

1:35:57

flag was she had a jealous ex partner showed

1:36:00

up once and I said, no, no, no, no. I

1:36:03

have picked up a boyfriend who got jumped by

1:36:05

someone unrelated separate years ago. I

1:36:07

don't want to do it again. Yeah, so I need

1:36:09

you to like have enough backstory on this person

1:36:12

and know them well enough, because every time you involve

1:36:14

other people, you involve other people's

1:36:16

lives. It's not just about sex um.

1:36:19

And also I want to have a general idea

1:36:21

of who the person is because it's kind of uncomfortable

1:36:23

for me if I'm at work and say someone's like, hi,

1:36:25

I'm firm. Yeah

1:36:28

exactly, It's like that could just be a mental load

1:36:30

that I'm not prepared to deal with, because even

1:36:32

monogamous people still encounter

1:36:35

jealousy or it's just again,

1:36:37

like a mental load. Like even if I see a childhood

1:36:39

friends somewhere, I didn't grow up here, so hopefully I don't.

1:36:41

But if I was walking around and I saw someone

1:36:44

from like years ago, maybe I just don't have the

1:36:46

energy to interact with that person. Yeah, I wanted

1:36:48

to ask. My next question was about jealousy because

1:36:50

I feel like a lot of people have this interpretation of

1:36:52

an open relationship where it's like, well, that means you

1:36:54

can't get jealous, but jealousy is a human

1:36:57

quality and it's okay to get jealous if you

1:36:59

talk it out. What were there moments where

1:37:01

you were like yeah,

1:37:04

and we're still moving very very slowly. I

1:37:06

mean the first year and a half of our relationship. We

1:37:09

have so much good, rich,

1:37:11

dynamic, kinky, queer

1:37:14

sex. He's a he's a CIS male,

1:37:16

but like he's not straighting does

1:37:19

he know that? Or because oh

1:37:23

yeah, there's he's he's very mature

1:37:25

for a twenty nine year old. His dad

1:37:27

listens to the shows. It's all terrible. Turn

1:37:29

it off, mr B. This is the guys we booked. Hey

1:37:32

mr B, Hey, mr B. So we've

1:37:35

been moving really slowly and we're still figuring

1:37:37

it out. Um, there's a lot of chickens.

1:37:41

It's not even a lot of chickens, because again we're moving

1:37:43

really slowly. But I

1:37:46

guess it would just be figure out what you're

1:37:48

not comfortable with. Yeah, and sometimes that's

1:37:50

trial by error. Yeah exactly, You're

1:37:53

gonna figure out things that push on things

1:37:55

you didn't know existed. Um, but

1:37:58

if you want to open your relationship, why

1:38:00

are you doing it to be cool because your friends are doing

1:38:02

it. Because people are doing it on Tinder, that's the wrong

1:38:05

reason you don't want to do it. If

1:38:07

you are like, oh, this feels

1:38:09

so good and I have sex with you and I like it,

1:38:11

and how could we maybe expand that's

1:38:14

a good reason. Or you know, you have

1:38:16

a chronic illness and you're totally comfortable

1:38:18

with me going on dates when you can't have sex for

1:38:20

months at a time, that's a good reason. You

1:38:23

know. Um, people find what works

1:38:25

for them if they stop listening to all the other

1:38:28

ship that they're being told that they don't

1:38:30

need. Yes, I agree. Do

1:38:32

you have a favorite go to? Either

1:38:34

a move and maybe both if you want to talk, whatever

1:38:37

comes to mind for you. But like a move that like you're

1:38:39

really good at when you have sex, Like I've

1:38:41

gotten really good at like putting stuff up guy's butts

1:38:43

and I'm actually really proud of that, and like I

1:38:45

can like watch a guy have that kind of like

1:38:48

a a prostate simulated orgasm for the first

1:38:50

time is like my oxygen.

1:38:53

Like I just it's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

1:38:55

I'm so I'm like and basically realize that I am

1:38:57

the straightest motherfucker, Like, I love men

1:39:00

in their butt holes and their dicks. It just right.

1:39:04

Maybe though maybe

1:39:06

you're a gay man man, maybe

1:39:09

you're like, oh, the straightest lady, I love putting

1:39:11

stuff up guys butt holes. And

1:39:13

then I was like, I'm also yeah

1:39:17

maybe right, yeah, well the dick thing

1:39:19

again, that's a gay man. I think that

1:39:21

resonates for from row. Yeah, but

1:39:24

so like that's that's one of my favorite

1:39:26

move Like, that's like a go to for me. Once I get

1:39:28

really comfortable with somebody, um, and then I have

1:39:30

certain things that when they're done to me, I'm

1:39:33

like, I am yours? Do

1:39:35

you have those in

1:39:38

your repertoire? Anything? I can't,

1:39:40

I can't give it all away again, anything

1:39:42

you're comfortable talking, I think, No, it's not that

1:39:44

I'm shy. It's just like you gotta pay me for my

1:39:46

secrets totally. And I get that. I get

1:39:48

that people should use both

1:39:50

of their hands when they

1:39:53

do things. Um. I saw somebody

1:39:55

post on Facebook today that if you pull your your

1:39:57

dick through your boxers all the time to get a blow job, you

1:39:59

don't just of a blow job. I've

1:40:04

got a lot of guys who've done that. And you are

1:40:07

correct, that's never

1:40:09

happened. No, not

1:40:11

to I mean I think I think I just people are

1:40:13

scared of me, so they just behave better I think

1:40:17

truly. The baggy

1:40:19

boxers that you've obviously warned three

1:40:23

boxers to begin with, we

1:40:30

get all of the first handers on the

1:40:32

time talk

1:40:34

in the green room. Yeah,

1:40:37

I don't know. I think I just like to um, I

1:40:41

like to slow down a lot more than what I see

1:40:43

in porn, and that seems to help a lot. So

1:40:46

what happens a lot. Yeah, what happens a lot, especially

1:40:48

with younger people and not just younger men, but everything

1:40:51

moves a lot faster. I remember when

1:40:53

cell phones didn't exist, and that was a really

1:40:55

nice time for some reasons. But

1:40:58

we're all very like the dope to me,

1:41:00

now, something has to happen now, climax

1:41:03

now. So there's a lot of pressure on people

1:41:05

being sexually liberated, and it's putting a

1:41:07

lot of pressure on the folks to not communicate because

1:41:10

it's like, why can't you find my clip? And I'm like,

1:41:12

well, did you show him how you like to be touched?

1:41:14

Now? He could yet No men

1:41:18

are mind Reader's conversation. No, but he's a mind

1:41:20

reader. Yeah, um, so I like

1:41:22

to when I feel someone it

1:41:25

seems like they're starting to disassociate or

1:41:27

go into like humpy mode, and

1:41:30

customers and can with too. Yeah, they just start

1:41:32

like it's just dick centric because they everything

1:41:34

else just seems to go nominate, like kay, penis

1:41:37

time or pussy time.

1:41:39

And then they wonder, why can't I get harder? Why can't

1:41:41

I get wet? Because you're putting all this stress

1:41:43

on this one area. So if you want

1:41:45

to have better sex, touch each other's

1:41:47

hair and touch their hands, and

1:41:50

I say to people, can you slow

1:41:52

down and breathe with me? Oh, grab

1:41:56

their face, yeah,

1:42:00

I'll do that. Hey, if there's

1:42:02

a year old thrusting

1:42:04

in you and reasonably fast, it's

1:42:07

happening to me so many times, grabbed their face,

1:42:10

say I'd like you to

1:42:12

breathe with me. Damn

1:42:18

you all know we say it in that voice?

1:42:20

Or can we use our own voice? Like can't you breathe

1:42:22

with mead?

1:42:27

Break? Slow? Slow

1:42:31

it down? The

1:42:34

slow thing. There's so much to that what

1:42:36

you mentioned. Because last night

1:42:38

I was having sex. I want me to brag, but I was having

1:42:41

checked and I was and there

1:42:43

was a point for maybe, like I

1:42:45

would say, full fifteen minutes. It was just

1:42:47

very he was on top of me and it was very

1:42:50

slow, and I felt the need

1:42:52

to make all these showy noises. And

1:42:55

then I heard myself and I'm like, what the fund are you doing,

1:42:57

Christie? And then I just shut the funk up

1:42:59

and enjoyed it. And the craziest

1:43:01

work as about like it is crazy,

1:43:03

how how people's instincts

1:43:06

just are so far from slowing down and

1:43:08

enjoying. Porn is performative, Yeah,

1:43:11

porn is mostly performative. That's okay.

1:43:14

Football is performative. Okay,

1:43:18

anything on entertainment is probably performative.

1:43:21

You can learn stuff from it, for sure. You can

1:43:23

become inspired all kinds of creative ideas.

1:43:26

I love porn for that. It activates people.

1:43:29

Um, A really great way to show your partner what

1:43:31

you might be interested in is if

1:43:33

they're comfortable with it, say hey, can I just send you

1:43:35

a clip like a link to a porn that

1:43:38

I liked and like time stamp here. Oh,

1:43:40

I thought, I was like, you go conni lingus

1:43:44

any buzzy real

1:43:46

dry down there, you know what? And it's and I think

1:43:48

I'm just realizing this now as you're saying the performative

1:43:51

thing. Like I used to get so aroused by feeling

1:43:53

performative, but it's so much better when

1:43:55

you just not performative

1:43:57

in your aroused at the same time, like that, just more in touch

1:44:00

with your body, and you can do both. You can go back

1:44:02

and forth. Because the performative stuff is fun. That's

1:44:04

why people dress up sometimes and like

1:44:06

gear and go to sex club

1:44:08

because it's fun to be seen and to see. But

1:44:11

sometimes, especially when I've been

1:44:13

seen and seeing all night, I want

1:44:15

to turn the lights off, and I want to slow

1:44:18

down, and I want to breathe with the person that I love,

1:44:20

and I can feel everything around me,

1:44:22

and I'm getting all choked up because

1:44:24

I'm not a religious person and I don't

1:44:27

think God is real, because how could you let all this

1:44:29

ship happen? Motherfucker. But I

1:44:32

feel connected to myself as

1:44:34

a living being on this planet, and

1:44:36

I am having good connective sex and

1:44:43

then and you're in love, so you understand

1:44:45

your eyes are glossing over something. I

1:44:49

mean, I feel the feelings. I just would never let them

1:44:51

go in this arena. Okay,

1:44:54

good, but they're somewhere, Mike,

1:44:57

my question I thowt it was. It was on your Instagram.

1:44:59

I believe that I saw you doing this exercise

1:45:01

where you were sitting and staring into

1:45:03

the eyes of your partner for like a long

1:45:06

as time. Right, that was you? Right,

1:45:08

I mean I do that.

1:45:10

I mean I've done that. You don't think you don't

1:45:13

know that you've posted it. You did it. It was you. I don't

1:45:15

done one else. I mean, like who else?

1:45:18

It was posh by? So it was you. I don't

1:45:20

follow that many people, you know, Um,

1:45:23

yes, And I mean it was interesting

1:45:26

to like it was uncomfortable to watch

1:45:28

as an outsider because it felt so personal and

1:45:30

so raw. And I was interested, like why

1:45:32

you why you wanted to share that, and

1:45:35

how like often you do that and what you

1:45:38

get out of it. So there's

1:45:41

a And I'm not a sex therapist. I'm a graduate

1:45:43

student of a sex educator program, and I'm

1:45:45

currently doing my one thousand, literally one

1:45:48

thousand hours of supervision to appeal to a higher

1:45:50

certification. UM they

1:45:52

don't like the organization doesn't like me naming

1:45:54

them until you're actually affiliated with them, so I will