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Welcome to Guys We Fucked Guys

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We Guys Book. I'm

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Christina, I'm karn. We're sorry about

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last night anti slut shaming

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podcast. I never stopped.

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Hello, everybody, Welcome to another episode

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of Guys We Fucked the Anti slut shaming

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Podcast. I'm Karne, tired

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and also Christina. Christina

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has like I

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look like an almost Amish girl after

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her hiatus of her eighteenth Birthday's

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her eighteenth birthday? Right? And er sixte I'm

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not sure, but she's wearing like an Amish

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country skirt, a panther. I

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think that is. It is a panther. T share

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all the time. Um, she has

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some eyeshadow smeared. I

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haven't looked at my face in so long.

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That's how busy we've been. This is our last

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official night in Los Angeles. I know

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it's sad. It's sad, but also

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you know, you gotta go back to her. Like

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Eminem said, you know, snap

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back into real exactly it goes gravity,

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but I don't know. No, that's what he said. Good

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at most of the words to every Eminem song.

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Yeah. Still, he's a brilliant

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wrath. I love to interview him. So if anyone knows

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Marshall matters. Please sorry about

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last night show at gmail dot com. It's

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sexy, very odd that I think is

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I'm weirded out. You know. It's people that you're like, I'm kind of weird

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out that I want to Yeah, we discussed this because

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my weird, weird sex fantasy

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is James Gandel Foenie. I mean, when he was alive.

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I get that. I totally get that. Yeah,

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it is weird though, But the

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thing is that I had a sex dream about

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James Gandle Foenie, and then I woke up

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and was attracted to him. I like that the

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night before made you want Yeah, the

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night before I went to sleep, What if you had asked

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me if did I like James Gandlefoenie. I like, no,

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What did he do in your dream that was so

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swave? I don't really. I mean

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I remembered at the time, but I mean, just

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some some sexy stuff,

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though, you're gonna be like just some sadistic ship,

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you know, I mean Candalfini, you know, I'm

2:02

sure some mafia stuff, some violent

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you know. You know me, I love some violence with your

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sex side of violence good for

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you, or some violence side of sex.

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We have had a very

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interesting time in out in l A. We want to

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I mean thank you to everybody who came out to all

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the shows at the Comedy Store and Hammon

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Eggs Tavern. It was so nice to meet

2:23

you guys in person. Yea, and the Free Parking

2:25

Show. The Free Parking Show is amazing.

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Thank you so much to everybody who who helped

2:30

us and came out and supported us. And

2:32

thank you so much for introducing yourself after the

2:34

show. Was really it's so nice to meet the people who

2:36

listen to the podcast, and it's so nice to know

2:39

that the fans, at least the ones

2:41

we met like, they're really fucking cool.

2:43

Yeah, you're cool, they don't suck, You're very

2:46

good looking, They're all very

2:48

attractive to people. I'm kind of like,

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can I be like you? I want to be that

2:52

cool? Yeah. Well it's I guess

2:54

it's it's nice to know that maybe

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like what we're putting out is coming back to us,

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so hopefully, like hopefully people

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think that we are nice and good looking.

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Oh nice,

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funny, funny, that's all I want, just

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just just think I'm funny. Well,

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we had a weird oh so much weird ship

3:15

has happened. We already talked. We talked

3:17

about drag racing with Throat. Yeah, we already talking about

3:19

that in the less this episode because

3:21

I forget um so this is the second

3:23

half of our trip. Yeah, there was an instance

3:26

where I and I would totally

3:28

a thousand percent call this comic out if I knew

3:30

his first and last name. I really would.

3:33

I'm all for calling people out

3:36

if they do dumb ship and I get that when

3:38

people say and do dumb things a lot of times they're

3:40

in a bad place and whatever, whatever, I fuck

3:42

it, I don't care. We were at We've been

3:44

at the Comedy Store a lot this this past

3:46

week because we have two shows there and then we're just there

3:49

to see We saw Mark Marin, one of my favorite

3:51

stand up comics. He fucking killed

3:53

it. Oh so happy to see

3:55

him. We saw Bobby you Lee

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was really really funny. Unfortunately,

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doesn't you know come to New York often

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enough? That motherfucker would be a great interview if

4:06

you're listening. Ali Wong oh Alle

4:08

Wong was so good. A lot of really great

4:10

comedic performances. Owen Benjamin,

4:13

Oh you, sir, you're an attractive

4:16

piece. Yeah, he followed us on Twitter did a little

4:18

little little direct messaging. Yeah,

4:22

it's so funny. I was such a big fan of his, Like

4:24

I've just always just known his work in some

4:27

form, like they're either through social media or like

4:29

YouTube videos. I don't know my mother,

4:31

so I didn't know he's gonna be on the show that we saw John Campanelli's

4:34

show at the laugh Actory. It's so nice to

4:36

see him. And then you see him and he's wearing a suit

4:38

and he's charming as fun and you're like, oh,

4:39

yeah, you must

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get thrown you pussy's must get

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thrown at your face. But I mean, if you had all

4:45

that time to direct message me back, maybe not.

4:48

Probably not, that's probably that's the surefire.

4:51

Oh you have time to talking to me. Up, I don't care

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anymore because it's not even yeah,

4:57

it's just oh,

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you're so much time. Well, there was a that's

5:02

a bummer you could have been working. Uh

5:04

there was my pussy more than time.

5:08

Okay, Uh,

5:11

I love time. Uh. There

5:13

was a moment where I guess a

5:15

lot of the comics at the comedy store that we're hanging out. There's

5:17

a patio at the comedy store where everyone just kind of

5:19

hangs right and breaks a lot of glasses, a lot

5:21

of smokes, a lot of cigarettes

5:23

and weed and what have you. And

5:26

so we we hung out on that patio quite a lot

5:28

during our time here, and I'll miss

5:30

that patio. I had some good and bad times

5:32

on that patio. We'll be back, Yeah, we'll absolutely

5:35

be back. Um. But there was a guy

5:37

I was waiting in line for the bathroom at

5:39

the comedy store and there was a comic and I like,

5:41

I said, I don't know his name, uh,

5:44

and he kept asking me, he goes you

5:46

host the podcast Guys we Fucked? And he

5:48

was kind of yelling at me in line in the bathroom, like

5:51

it just felt weird. It just felt like, what the funk

5:53

you doing, dude? Confrontational. It felt

5:55

very confrontational, which is I don't ever

5:57

feel that way unless someone being you

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did, someone's fronting you. That's

6:02

yeah, that's absolutely true. And so

6:04

he kept saying, he was like, yeah, how many

6:06

guys have you fucked? You fucked a lot of guys in

6:08

your podcast. Tell me. And then there was this drunk

6:11

guy in line on the opposite side of the wall, and he was like you're

6:13

the podcast called Guys We Fucked, and they

6:15

were yelling at so I. I tried, I would like

6:17

to interject and say that neither of these guys

6:19

have probably ever been fucked. I've seen

6:22

their faces. I don't know. I mean, they've at least tried

6:24

their anger um.

6:27

And then they were talking really loud, and I was just

6:29

kind of embarrassed, and so I was like, can you guys

6:31

be quiet? And he goes, oh, I'm just trying to

6:33

fucking compliment you on your podcast.

6:36

I'm so sorry that you co host

6:38

Guys we Fucked, and he just kept yelling it at

6:40

me, and it was just so weird and it really

6:42

upset me. And then the more upset I got, the angrier

6:45

they got at me, and I just felt shout

6:48

out to Myra and her friend guys

6:50

we Fucked Fan. I smoked.

6:52

I took a little hit of a blunt that I was offered

6:55

and I have never smoked. Wax got

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waxed, yo, motherfucker's

7:00

I got whaxed. Okay, I don't

7:02

think you've ever gotten waxed. I've

7:05

heard of wax. It's a very pure

7:07

form of THHC. It's finally getting dice but

7:09

way worse. And the second I've heard of

7:11

wax, I was like, not

7:14

for me, Never gonna do it. Never. I'm such a lightweight.

7:16

I can't take a hit out of a bomb. I can't take

7:19

I'm just an amateur weed smoker.

7:22

As much as I talked about it, like, I just don't, I can't.

7:24

I don't do it during the day. I just I'm not a good I'm

7:26

not good at smoking weed. So I took a hit

7:28

of this. I choked for about an hour and

7:30

then my rest friend goes, oh, yeah, that was wax,

7:33

and I was like, oh, that

7:35

sucks, Like I wish I would have asked or

7:37

I don't know. I just didn't know it was wax, and

7:39

so I was kind of sucked up. So when I was in line in the bathroom

7:42

and these guys were like yelling at me about the podcast

7:44

and being condescending and demeaning

7:46

and just all these level things, and part of me was like,

7:49

is it the wax or are they being a dick?

7:51

And then I looked over at a girl that was standing

7:53

like diagonal for me, and she had her

7:55

I heard she was rolling her eyes and she was like, what

7:57

the funk are these dudes doing and I

7:59

made eye contact with her and she was like, are you okay?

8:01

What the fuck? And I was like, okay, it's not

8:04

the wax. They're just the worst

8:06

people ever. And I got really

8:08

upset. And I think the wax man I was

8:11

just because I mean, I know the wax. I know you're

8:13

a more sensitive soul than I, but at the

8:15

same time, like, you can stand my ground.

8:17

And that's why I don't like being high in public, because I

8:19

want to be in control of the situation. But these people were

8:22

just losers. I mean, I just like when I

8:24

just can't get mad about anything the loser says,

8:26

no matter how seemingly awful.

8:28

I mean, they were just reeked of loser

8:31

and s just

8:33

just Unfortunately, I wasn't in a state of

8:35

mind that those thoughts were at the top of my head. And also

8:37

it's a really bummer because I could have

8:39

thrown some funny lines at them, but it

8:41

wasn't. It's funny. It was just about And then

8:44

it was the same to me as me at that instance.

8:46

It was the same guy who

8:48

had stopped me earlier and been

8:50

like, oh, my friend wants to talk to you, and then he

8:52

tried to use the old negging on

8:55

me, and then, as I do when

8:57

people use this technique on me, I said,

9:00

very nice, I see

9:02

what you're doing here. I was like, I do want to tell you

9:04

that I am a woman with self confidence, so naggie

9:07

doesn't work on me. I appreciate your attempt

9:09

at using that tactic, but it's not going to work.

9:11

And I walked away. Uh. And then of course

9:14

we when we saw these a gentleman

9:17

uh, like a couple of nights later,

9:20

then he tried to high five me the same guy,

9:22

and then I had to get into a fucking altercation

9:24

to defend Christina's honor, which I didn't want

9:26

to do. I didn't have to, Yes,

9:28

I did. I didn't have to. I I didn't

9:31

have to. I don't like to bring the jersey

9:33

out, but sometimes the jersey needs to come out.

9:35

And so like fucking where Christine

9:37

is in the original room, I'm out, like flipping

9:40

out on this guy outside of that there. He was

9:42

not expecting that, because in Los Angeles people

9:45

no one says what they think. Yeah, they

9:47

say it behind your back. And I said it real

9:50

loudly to his face, and he was not

9:52

expecting that. And then he went to another

9:54

comic to try to like fist pump and then the um

9:57

bump, and then the comic the

9:59

other hmic fist bumped me instead because

10:02

they were scared of my boy's name on each side.

10:04

No more random stranger

10:06

comic that I don't know your name. Yes, So

10:10

that was that was interesting. I just

10:12

don't I don't like me high in those situations

10:14

because I need to be in control. So that was

10:16

a bummer. But shout out to Myra

10:18

and company for bringing the weed. There was

10:20

a lot of interesting conversations

10:23

that we heard this week in Los

10:25

Angeles. I am so happy

10:28

that there are no men allowed

10:30

in the female bathrooms in Los Angeles

10:33

because we have overheard some conversations

10:36

that I wish

10:38

there was no meal because I didn't want to hear this

10:40

either. I was just one of the One of

10:42

the quotes direct quotes was

10:45

Trevor has just never been the same since they roofied

10:47

himself, Like I swear to God, what's this fucking problem?

10:50

Said exactly like that, like that was a thing

10:52

that someone said it was. And

10:55

then and then we're in the bathroom. Kart and I are both in

10:57

the bathroom, and there was two girls in a big in the

10:59

bigger stall in the bathroom, and

11:01

one of the girls was like, I just got to I wanted to bring

11:03

you here to tell you I brought you here tonight,

11:05

not even in the bathroom, I brought you here to night

11:07

tonight to let you know how much

11:10

that you're a bit. And the other girl

11:13

was like, yeah, yeah, I agree.

11:16

I was sorry. The

11:19

girl who cli call the other girl bitch

11:21

goes out of that stall and another stall

11:23

takes a piss. I'm like, you're just gonna take

11:26

a piss after that, you can't we talk

11:28

to each other. It was so weird. It was so weird.

11:31

Just don't be friends with that girl who took

11:33

you to the bathroom salt to tell you that

11:35

you're being a bitch. She's a

11:37

bit. Stop calling each other

11:39

bitches. A bit, he's a

11:42

bit, she's a bit, because do you

11:44

think a bit? Don't be their friends. Just

11:46

don't stop, girl, stop calling each other

11:48

bitches all the time. Jesus

11:50

Christ. That was weird. That was weird. It felt

11:52

weird. And then we're around were around people

11:54

who were famous

11:57

m hm, and we got to

11:59

see other people react and

12:02

live and exist around them, and it's

12:05

very l A. Yeah that wasn't That's

12:07

always that always fascinates. Always a fun wake up call

12:09

to see the comic super famous people.

12:11

I really do. It's I don't act

12:13

annoying or or creepy

12:16

been around someone who was like so

12:19

famous that I was like, oh

12:21

my god, yeah,

12:23

so yeah, we we got to witness

12:26

the side of I guess l A.

12:28

But it also probably happens in New York. We just don't

12:30

realize it because when famous people roam and dwell around

12:32

New York City, they kind of do it incognito a little

12:34

bit more so, and then in l

12:36

A. It's just more out in the open. I don't know why, but

12:39

it was just really interesting to watch. It's always

12:41

a wake up call to see your favorite

12:45

comedian from high school talked

12:47

to one girl he's fucked while

12:50

grabbing the ass of another

12:52

girl who's friends with that girl, and you're

12:54

just like, really, I kind of thought they

12:56

were gonna have a three way. I had a picture of you

12:58

on my but it wasn't sexy like that.

13:01

It was just like because the girls

13:03

weren't being powerful women.

13:06

I know that was the problem. Is this

13:08

is my thing, and I feel bad I feel

13:10

bad. They were just saying dumb

13:13

shit and it was like, I know your

13:15

bet, come on. They were acting as objects,

13:18

not as humans, and that's and there

13:20

in lies the problem. Yeah,

13:22

it was weird to watch. If someone grabs your ass,

13:25

either walk away or grab it back, don't

13:27

just stand there and be grabbed. Well,

13:30

they were saying ship when their ass was wrapped. Yeah,

13:34

funny, Oh gosh, I

13:36

like that. But we've had

13:38

a really good time at l A. We want to thank a

13:40

bunch of people. We have a whole list year that I

13:42

wrote on a nap She wrote it on a napkin. Thank

13:46

you to all the fans who came out,

13:48

a lot of fans that we've known that have been fans

13:51

for a while. It was so nice to finally meet you guys, or

13:53

meet you again. Chris, tiny

13:56

girl, Marianna

13:59

kiss teeny. That's what I meant to say. You branded

14:01

yourself really well, because I think my name

14:04

I mixed my name with yours. I'm really sorry it's

14:06

you with your branding. Very

14:08

very sorry, Marianna, Myra

14:11

Montese, Javier Corey

14:14

for driving us around. Thank you so

14:16

much. Corey, You're the best. Chloe so

14:19

sweet promoting us on Instagram.

14:21

Amazing Dabby Conti, who we all a lot

14:23

to She made this trip to Los Angeles really

14:25

special. John Campanelli, who helped

14:27

us produce The Wonderful Store and the show

14:30

at the Comedy Store. Joe Darosa

14:32

for being on the show and also having

14:34

us as guests on his podcast, Ratio SAMs

14:37

Uh. We did his podcast. He did ours

14:39

to look out for them in the future. Good dude

14:41

Dan Byrne came and hung out with us.

14:43

Seth Herzog stopped by her Ratio's

14:46

house when we were recording, and it meant so much because

14:48

he's one of the funniest comedians on the planet. If

14:50

you don't know Seth Herzog, look him

14:52

up right away and follow him on all the social media's

14:55

Zog on Twitter. I love him

14:57

so much. Make sure to say that we sent you

14:59

so that he can just be reminded. Yeah,

15:02

because we were. There was one point where we're at Horatio's

15:05

house and we recorded podcast

15:08

episode and then we and then we started Seth

15:10

came over, we started taking calls. Uh.

15:13

We tweeted it was like three in the morning.

15:15

Yeah, it was some of you guys called in and we appreciate

15:17

it. West Coast time, so it was five in the morning,

15:19

so Horatio tweets like wake Up New York,

15:21

Coraggio and were and we got to talk

15:23

to a lot of the fuckers and a lot of the fans of the Horatio's

15:26

podcast, which is The Horatiow. If you don't

15:28

if you aren't subscribed to it, do it. It's fucking

15:31

hilarious. One of my favorite podcasts.

15:34

Um Sean Leary, thank you so

15:36

much for having us on your show, Free Parking.

15:39

Julia Rees, who also co hosted at

15:42

the Hammond Eggs Tavern over Easy

15:44

Comedy. I mean that show was the last

15:46

show tonight, but you know, just it

15:49

was a blast. Just tbt. I guess

15:51

girl. Chad Krueger, who also works

15:54

on The Horay Show and is on the Horay

15:56

Sihow. He's a wonderful dude. Jimmy Shinn,

15:59

who had a great show at the Comedy Store.

16:02

Um, and everybody who

16:04

we hung out with this week. You've made a really

16:07

special, interesting week

16:09

for us, and we are excited

16:12

to go back to York, but also excited too for

16:14

the next time that we come back here. Yeah, it was an unforgettable

16:16

time and really we had a lot of

16:18

fun. So thanks everybody for coming out and everybody

16:20

for helping us do ship. We love you and

16:23

uh yeah, let's bring

16:25

on our guest. We're gonna talk to our guests. We have are a

16:27

female guests. I'm really excited about

16:30

a woman. It's a woman,

16:33

she has two it's a vagina

16:35

and she did poor Yeah.

16:38

I was like, she's done a lot many things. She's been

16:40

a suicide girl, and she has since moved

16:42

on into the video gaming world.

16:45

But that network, Yeah, that thing we're gonna

16:47

talk to her mainly about today are

16:49

her experiences in the porn industry. And

16:51

we're really excited because this is the first time

16:53

since she left the industry three years ago that

16:55

she's been willing and felt comfortable enough to

16:57

speak about it. And she's just

17:00

a beauty, a gem, an intelligent

17:02

woman. Are really excited to have her here

17:04

today. Please welcome to the

17:06

podcast, Missy Dawn Clean.

17:16

Thank Okay,

17:28

So hey guys, we're here in Los

17:30

Angeles in a hallway closet.

17:33

It's kind of like Chronicles of Narnia. I feel

17:35

like a little bit good. I'm glad

17:37

that you're bringing such a positive outlook to it.

17:40

So we're here um with

17:42

our guest, Missy down. Hello,

17:44

Hi, thank you so much for being here. Thank

17:46

you for having me of course. So can you just

17:49

tell us a little bit about I guess to start

17:51

out of who you are and

17:53

how people might know you. Um,

17:55

well, I've been on the internet forever, it

17:57

feels like now. I started off doing model

18:00

back in the day and then went into actually

18:02

hardcore pornography and um

18:04

that's probably where a lot of people recognize me. And then

18:06

I left that to go into gaming

18:08

three years ago, and

18:11

um, now I'm here do a lot of YouTube

18:13

stuff, things like that sweet wait wait

18:15

gaming like video game Yeah, I actually

18:17

have a YouTube channel partnered with Michinema. Oh

18:20

nice, So gave me content

18:22

gaming related rambling about video

18:24

games. Actually was in a video game too, which for like

18:26

little kid me was like, yes, that's really

18:28

exciting. Absolutely, that's really cool.

18:31

I wanted to put out you just said that you did

18:33

hardcore pornography, like in the sweetest

18:36

voice I know that I've ever heard anyone

18:38

say anything. It's like, would you like fries with

18:40

that? I did hardcore pornography? Do you want to catch up or solver?

18:43

So? Yeah, So we're ready up on you. Um

18:46

and you started out as a

18:48

suicide girl correct, which

18:50

bitches are so hot like eleven years

18:52

ago? But you you

18:54

love wonder poms. Yeah, I know you're gorgeous

18:56

and very youthful looking. UM

19:00

know, And I already know

19:02

that I'm obsessed with suicide

19:04

girls, Like I think it's like the that's like my

19:07

favorite. That's kind of like for me, my

19:09

ideal girl. I'm a street woman and

19:12

I try to make myself have lesbian

19:14

tennesseees. It doesn't work. It just doesn't. But if

19:16

I was, I like love suicide girls.

19:19

So how how did that come about?

19:21

Um? I was like seventeen

19:24

when I had heard about the side. My friends said I

19:26

was too chubby to be on it, And when I turned

19:28

eighteen, I was like, whatever, I'm going to apply because

19:30

I live in Kentucky and the internet's here, so

19:32

why not? And I got approved. So

19:35

my set actually went up um

19:37

April, and I graduated my senior year in May.

19:39

So my first set one of while I was still in high school.

19:43

Did you get any reaction for people who went to school

19:45

with or you just didn't sell it saying it? Um? I didn't really

19:47

say anything, and a lot of people in Kentucky weren't

19:49

really looking up suicide girls yet.

19:52

Yeah, alternative it was

19:54

like three suicide girls at the time, so it was really

19:58

truly one of the first. No, they said

20:00

you were too chubby. Were you the same size you

20:02

are now or yeah, my friend, my friend

20:04

said that it's tiny.

20:07

That's like. I was like, did you go through some rapid

20:09

weight loss? I mean I was probably like twenty

20:11

five pounds heavier in high school, but you

20:14

know, it was kind of like a recurring factor. I experienced

20:17

a lot through porn too. Even though in porn I

20:19

was like one nineteen, which is the seven

20:21

pounds less than I am, they'd always call

20:23

me full figure, too fat. I have the

20:25

whole after several jobs that I was

20:27

too fat for it. Wow, And

20:30

I never felt sad. Just my friend said you

20:32

were too fat. I was like, I'll show you. But

20:34

they have that Okay, that's that I'm

20:37

already I think they mean because you have a round

20:39

face or something like that. I was younger, was

20:41

like yeah. I was like. I was like, because if anyone's

20:43

actually looking at your body, unless

20:45

someone like Alexis Texas who's actually

20:48

worked with her she was than

20:51

she was. She's curvy girl, but I would

20:53

never call her like tupid, like phobw

20:56

or something. I already call it that. Like I just like

20:58

the best ass I've ever seen. Just

21:00

the booty, That's what I would call. It's pretty nice that the

21:03

songs that I've ever

21:05

seen literally does so

21:09

that's also no. So did your parents have

21:11

any idea that you were on the suicide Girls website?

21:13

To my mom? I told my mom everything, And what

21:15

was her reaction, you know, like

21:18

long as you're happy it

21:20

was, I don't know. She tried to

21:22

take the like cool parent approach

21:25

to a lot of that stuff. And I was doing well in

21:27

school, you know, I was an ap orto student. I was going on to college.

21:29

It wasn't like I was like because

21:31

there's a lot and smart. It was a weird concept

21:34

through two thousand and four, but it happened. Yeah, it

21:36

was not like you had lost your way and decided to

21:38

submit pictures. It's just like you that was something a choice

21:40

that you wanted to make. And how many times did I

21:42

like to think about like sending pictures to suicide

21:45

How many times do I still actively think about

21:47

it? Well, I don't have any

21:49

tattoos. I mean, I feel like there are a couple of people

21:51

that don't have to tattoos, but I feel

21:53

like I'm like, I need to get I feel like it's really changed

21:55

now. It's like a whole subculture

21:57

instead of just like this cookie cutter what's

22:00

seams weird, but a cookie cutter look of girls with tattoos or

22:02

weird hair colors. Like right, it's just a mindset

22:04

now. Yeah, and so what about let's

22:06

I want to talk about your early sexuality

22:09

dates, like once you start sucking. Uh,

22:11

it was like two months right before my sixteenth birthday,

22:14

so technically I was fifteen, but it's

22:17

like, but it was Kentucky, so I still had waited

22:19

for a while. Everyone

22:22

else good wine. I

22:24

mean there was a girl in my class that was fourteen that got

22:26

pregnant. So it really was like, Okay,

22:28

I've waited long enough ready. So it's interesting

22:30

because you think you do think in Kentucky, like people are getting married

22:33

young, But do you as far as

22:35

sexuality. I would when I think Kentucky,

22:37

I would think a religious place, a

22:39

lot of religion, which a lot of times stops

22:41

people from having sex, or just I guess makes them go

22:43

about creative ways of doing it, more creative ways

22:45

of doing it, pretending they're not doing it. It's

22:48

like I had Catholic friends

22:50

that didn't want to use birth control because

22:52

it was against religion, but they're already having pre marital

22:54

fifteen year old six. It's like kind

22:58

of being an asshole there. Well,

23:00

that was also the other answer to I

23:03

was going to say, it's always anal, you always

23:05

go for anal, and I'm just like, that to me is

23:08

so much more like progressive. That should

23:10

happens right after virgin

23:13

to anal. Yeah, that's not

23:16

Southern people, Britney hears. That was

23:18

the whole thing, kind of like, because I think just

23:21

Brittany was very big when she was deeting Justin timber

23:23

Lake about how she was a virgin, and Justin

23:25

me to comment. He was like, well, her asshole

23:28

isn't and it was like the talk. It

23:30

was the talk of the town. Everyone's like, but

23:33

I was like, Justin has a point. I

23:35

mean it was roman noodle hair justin timber Lake days.

23:37

It was like he

23:40

was really progressed. He's really I've

23:43

never heard some of my call roman noodle, but that is exactly

23:46

what it was a description. Oh my

23:48

god. So so did you get any talk from

23:50

your parents or was there any education in your high school

23:53

about like sex said and stuff? Yeah?

23:55

Yeah, my well my

23:57

um, let's see, elementary

24:00

school had a very basic sex said, like here's

24:02

how babies are made. Because some people really just don't

24:05

tell their children. Ever, a lot of people

24:07

don't aswever, and you're like, where does it go? How

24:09

do you do it? Um? And then my mom gave

24:11

me this book called Changing Minds, Changing

24:13

Bodies that had growing up. It

24:16

has like an encycloped of anything you could ever

24:18

think of, from like what's smoking cigarettes

24:20

to alcohol and marijuana will do, to what abortion

24:23

means, and like every level of sex that's

24:26

all encompassing. Yeah, and so I just got really

24:28

curious about sex. I never really had like

24:30

this religious hang up on it, and my

24:32

mom never really had that approach with it or anything.

24:35

That's but my family was Mormon. I

24:37

was like, because I was like, I

24:39

read something about the church, the Church of Latter day

24:41

Saints. Right, Okay, so, how

24:43

so your this is that interesting

24:46

yourself? Yeah? So so,

24:48

so it seems like you have a pretty chill Mormon

24:51

mom though. Well yea

24:55

she was way more

24:57

like what they called Jack Mormon, like she wasn't. Both

24:59

my parents weren't so much practicing religious

25:01

as their parents were, so they kind of saved face

25:03

on holidays but never really like my

25:06

dad just wasn't the led Zeppelin and chilled out.

25:09

Yeah. My mom was like, you'll go to church on Christmas.

25:12

You have to get up, and I'm like, I don't want to wake up. But

25:15

my mom's mom was Mormon. But

25:17

you know, Mormons are like the Seth Park where they're like,

25:19

you're doing wrong, but it's cool. Yeah,

25:22

just keep hanging out and scrabble.

25:24

But my dad's size Southern Baptists, so they were

25:27

like that, I'm still going to help for things

25:29

I did probably before I was born somehow.

25:31

Darn it. Don't you hate that you've

25:34

never had a chance come out of the birth canal and you're fucked?

25:38

Oh my gosh. So um. I also

25:41

I read um that that you're actually excommunicated

25:44

though, from the Church of Latter Day's Days,

25:46

You badass bitch. So how does

25:49

get excommunicated? Because it's a it's a goal

25:51

in my life. I mean, I'm not really just but I would like to join one

25:53

just so I can get excommunicated. It's

25:55

it's really interesting because it was about five years

25:57

ago and they just sent the letter

25:59

and like the courts of Mormon religion,

26:02

and let yeah, I could go defend myself

26:04

at this court case. Are you like a registered

26:07

Mormon or was growing up? Because I

26:09

got baptized? Do you get a card a carrying

26:11

court? No, but you're supposed to give like a percentage

26:13

of your income every year. So

26:15

there we had it, ladies and gentlemen. That is

26:18

why religion robs everything. I always

26:20

called mormism. I mean, it's really nice. Don't be offended

26:22

anyone, but it's like the poor man's scientology.

26:24

You still gotta pay into it. Just signed a lump sum

26:26

up front. It's like installment. Yeah. Well, the Catholic Church

26:28

is one of the largest grossing money organizations

26:31

in the world. Yeah, it's

26:34

not good. Um, but so yeah, I got

26:36

baptized growing up, but I really was like I told

26:38

my Grandma, just wanted to get in the pool because I didn't understand.

26:41

I really tuned out a lot in church. I

26:44

was like, I want to get in the pool and try to take these classes

26:47

with the missionaries. And I got to the pool and I was like, it's

26:49

cold, and I didn't got to there for a second. So

26:52

that's why I became a registering Mormon

26:54

from that. And uh so

26:56

they figured out I did porn obviously because they have the internet

26:59

or you know. It's like and they were watching

27:01

your porn. You like, they have to look at the evidence.

27:03

Well, I'm like, it's not like it is there like a

27:06

group of people who just sit around looking

27:08

to find Mormons doing bad stuff or

27:10

like is this is I

27:16

don't want to give them any more good ideas. Don't

27:18

let them. Let them work for themselves. They have genealogy, they'll

27:21

figure out. But it's

27:23

it's state to state, I guess because

27:26

there's other like famous Mormons who have broken

27:28

Mormon religion or say they're not religious,

27:30

like Belladonna, and they've never been excommunicated.

27:34

So the church kind of takes a stance on like

27:36

they want to promote. But since mine was a small

27:39

state, like no one looks at it that

27:41

way. They're like, I could come to this court case

27:43

and defend myself. And I was like, well, I haven't been to church

27:45

in the ten years. I obviously don't care. I'm not religious,

27:47

So I've got to follow up letters that like I'm

27:49

removed from the registry,

27:52

and but anytime I want to come pray anything,

27:54

I'm welcome. I just can't take sacramon. Did they say

27:56

then? They stated specifically because because

27:59

of pornogur Because here

28:01

was my question, how did you know that? Sir?

28:04

I know that's been my question all along, and you

28:06

win because he was jerking off

28:08

to it. Yeah, that's how that

28:10

happened, because they still have to watch it to

28:12

make sure like it's not just false accusation. Oh

28:15

my job so hard, totally

28:17

some dude doing that. So where I don't know, but

28:19

yeah, I think the first letters something about like kind

28:22

of so long. It was something about it was poor and it definitely

28:24

was poor later but not saying the exact verbiage

28:26

of like watching thing like

28:29

adult videography something

28:31

something some indie movie you did. Oh

28:34

my god, that's amazing. Did

28:37

you did you save this letter? I would find

28:39

my mom's house, So that's that. I would be so

28:41

proud of that letter. Oh my my favorite

28:43

letter. At the time, I was like whatever, you know,

28:45

I didn't even think about like what also,

28:47

what a weird letter to receive? Like

28:50

mail you're not expecting to get like,

28:52

what is this from the church? We hate you buying

28:56

out And I was already in comfort, like yeah, I'm

28:58

gonna go over to Kentucky and this case.

29:02

Yeah. So um, then so

29:04

you did Suicide Girls for how

29:07

long? Um? I probably only

29:09

did like two sets? Are you total?

29:11

Are totally make to their topless? Totally totally

29:13

new but no like spread because on their Instagram

29:15

because I follow their Instagram. But obviously I think it got

29:19

to pay for the good stuff? Do you you pay for

29:21

there's a there's a Yeah, there's a there's

29:24

a membership fee. Okay, yeah,

29:26

who is? Who is what celebrities? Really? Is it? Like Deeve

29:28

Grol or someone's really into thinking

29:31

into it? Yeah? So

29:34

you did photo shoots with them and the beginning of your videos

29:36

yet Yeah, and then I went on to college and

29:39

then I worked at like a call center. You're

29:41

in college. I kind of just did those two sets and like moved

29:43

on because you know, I'm in the middle of Kentucky. So it's not

29:45

really like I don't see any longevity

29:47

of this. It was just a thing to do at eighteen to

29:51

photograph you my best friend actually, because

29:53

I know they're doing different ways. Sometimes they send someone out. Sometimes

29:56

do they do post production on the photos

29:58

or do you guys are you responsib editing

30:00

of the photo? At the time, I actually printed off

30:03

like film, you know, it's trying to make a CD

30:05

to send them. So if they did any editybod

30:07

I don't think they really did a lot of editing at the time.

30:09

My friend was a professional photographer, so it worked

30:11

out. Were like they weren't too bad or anything.

30:14

Pretty good photos. Pay you for that stuff,

30:16

yeah, back in the day, but it was like,

30:19

you know, it was like two dollars for the day.

30:21

It was so long. But at eighteen, you're like, oh, yeah,

30:24

have a badge of honor Starbucks.

30:27

It wasn't even those yet, didn't

30:30

even exist. I had to go make him in mckittle.

30:32

So, describe the leading

30:35

up to deciding to do porn. What was that like?

30:37

What did you have to think? Along and herd

30:40

Ory like yeah, I want to do this. Yeah, I kind

30:42

of turned into that more. I um, I

30:44

got let off from like this calls and I was working at was in

30:46

college and then I started dancing at a club

30:49

and that was a lot of fun and it really allowed me a good schedule

30:51

to like be able to go to school all day and

30:54

also make money without spending forty

30:56

hours a week at a job, which is what I was doing

30:58

and struggling with my great it's at it because I was

31:00

originally a biology major and

31:04

I had saw a similar

31:06

site that was like Burnie Angel and

31:08

it was you know, like suicide

31:10

girls, but then they also had the option of doing hardcore.

31:13

So I started off the same, just doing like photo

31:15

sets here and there, and I would go to New York and like it was an ext

31:17

used to go to New York and like, oh, I'll go dance

31:19

on these kids and do some pictures and come back. And

31:22

they had this dude on there that I thought was really

31:24

hot. And I had a boyfriend the time, and I was

31:26

like, do you mind if I shoot this porn?

31:28

And we had like an

31:30

open relationship, which was like my idea. So

31:32

it was your boyfriend was totally cool. Well then he was

31:35

totally cool with it. It's awesome. You're really ahead

31:37

of your time. I really so.

31:39

So there was a guy in New

31:41

York. Did he work? He was in l A. But he

31:44

had shot on their site and I'd seen him in

31:46

a scene you saw him and you were really and I was like that,

31:48

yeah, and that was your first

31:50

porn excuse you saw something you were attracted to. You're like,

31:52

I would totally fuck you on camera. That's the girliest

31:55

reason to a

31:57

few point, I really want to I want to suck the

32:00

cube. I'm gonna go to like No Keyboys. Where I was,

32:02

it was like there's hot dudes on the It's

32:05

totally like just showing up at like you know, if you

32:07

like I have a crush in a DJ, just showing up

32:09

at the club, just showing up on the porn set. Like

32:12

so when you dance totally nude,

32:15

No, it was actually, um. I danced

32:17

in Indiana where I went to school, which was like right over

32:19

the border from Kentucky. Um, but

32:21

it was just pasties and thongs. It

32:23

was it was like totally different

32:25

than anywhere else have danced in the nation. It's

32:27

like really small. Everyone that I worked

32:30

with at the time still works. They're kind of plays

32:32

and they go watch like football and Sundays

32:34

together and stuff. That's sweet. So you didn't

32:36

have a bad experience. Dance. Dancing was fun. Dancing

32:38

was a lot of fun, and then you know, traveling is

32:40

fun too. With dancing, it's really easy just to go to

32:43

a place and be like fine, stop club, go dance

32:45

with your friend, makes some money, and then travel to the next place

32:47

and good

32:49

times awesome. Back before like two thousand nine, where

32:51

you can actually make money dancing now and not

32:54

so much. Yeah, that like

32:56

two thousand nine depression stuff started

32:58

happening, and it really you have affect in

33:00

that first the most so because I guess these because

33:02

those are extra things that people the kind of

33:04

people who have that extra disposable income

33:07

just don't have anymore. Yeah, the

33:09

fun is always the first stuf to go. Yeah,

33:11

because Steven and I like going to strip clubs a lot. But

33:13

then when he's like we're not making much money, he's

33:15

like, I can't do it. We can't do it because

33:18

you know, you don't want to go and be like I can only spend like

33:20

fifty. We don't want to have that mentality

33:22

when you go to strip club you want to be like yeah,

33:26

yeah, yeah, absolutely. So. Describe

33:29

what it was like doing the sport. Did you meet

33:31

with the your co star beforehand?

33:33

Yeah? He actually picked me up from the airport, which was

33:36

like so romantic. Did

33:38

you call him and you're like, I think you're cute. I want

33:40

to suck you on camera. He was gonna pack the owner of

33:42

this site, and it's just like, I U women

33:46

helping women love

33:48

it. And then it was like, you know, if you're gonna come

33:50

shoot one, we need to shoot three at a time.

33:52

So I was like with the same guy, I know

33:55

different people, So that kind of like opened, uh,

33:57

okay, well I'm doing this. Well I'm already doing this. It's

34:00

kind of like once you do, once you shoot one

34:02

porn into all three guys,

34:05

because I don't know, I remember what I first before. I

34:08

think it was one

34:10

one boy girl, one girl

34:12

girl boy scene. Um,

34:15

I think one was just a solo. So that was

34:17

like it was like,

34:20

yeah, that's where I got here. But

34:22

the boy girl, yeah, it's fine. I already

34:25

had like three ways with my boyfriend before, so

34:27

it wasn't that wasn't weird. But the dude

34:29

was like the second dude was definitely not my type

34:32

somebody I don't want to fuck, like I imagine important

34:35

that would happen a lot because it's your job.

34:37

Sucking is your job, so you have to. But

34:40

for a guy, it's it's not as hard. But for like

34:43

someone's on my dick, that's awesome. Yeah,

34:46

because it did they have fluffer? Is important anymore? Is

34:48

that? Okay? Is what ever saying? Was that everything?

34:50

I don't think so, I mean, as long as I was important.

34:52

I've only heard stories of like the seventies,

34:55

do they in between takes? Do they

34:58

do you do that? Did you do that in st time?

35:00

Some dudes you do it just because you like,

35:03

just like girls have to be into it. Some things

35:05

you got to be like, I'm your girlfriend while you're

35:07

there. Sometimes you have to like dierk them off and kiss

35:09

him and act like you're really into it or they like, and

35:12

then you're there all day waiting for that and you're

35:14

like time for this fucking

35:17

Dicky's pretenses. Girlfriend's

35:20

so fascinating, interesting.

35:23

It has a weird vibe. It's like you never think

35:25

of that, you think I should show up And like most

35:27

it's important don't give a funk. They can get a boner

35:29

really easily and keep going. But the

35:32

reasons why they're important, I'm sure they're good at fucking.

35:34

They really separate When

35:36

you fuck on camera? Do you plot it out? Like?

35:39

Do you plot out because I was addition, yeah,

35:41

or like does the director shout things at you

35:44

while you're filming and then they just take that out and post.

35:46

Yeah, they can talk to you, you know, and that just

35:48

it's very easy to cut seamlessly

35:51

because you like zoom in, ontone flake and you're back into the

35:53

scene, so you can jump

35:55

sessions. Yeah, No one's really paid attention

35:57

to the details and edity. No one's just like cinematography

36:01

on that porn was horrible, bad filter.

36:03

So what's okay? So describe when you were

36:05

doing porn. You you woke up in the morning, you had a scene, right,

36:08

what do you do to prep? Do you do anything to prep? Do

36:10

you want? I mean and testing?

36:12

What about at the time you were you

36:15

were getting tested every month. Now it's every two weeks.

36:17

They've recently changed out with the condom law and a lot of

36:19

stuff. And I can happen in a month when

36:22

you're professional and when you look at those

36:24

like if you look at a chart, it's like when two

36:26

cats have a cat and then in five years thirty children.

36:29

It's kind of the same with porns. Like if they suck

36:31

one person, who sucked one person? Did gangbang? Did gang

36:33

bang and a day like thirty people and you didn't

36:35

even like doing them but one person. Yeah, so

36:37

two weeks I think is a much better turnaround. And

36:39

I'm totally supportive of the condom situation.

36:42

And you are interesting because a lot of people

36:44

aren't because there's anesthetics of the cord.

36:47

But it's like, well, learn to like it because everyone should

36:49

work correct up. So when they're sucking people, especially

36:52

if you don't know the person or you don't know if they're tested.

36:54

Yeah, a lot of people see that tests

36:56

as like an artificial comfort, and it's

36:58

really like it's shouldn't be and

37:00

people have faked ut like Mr Marcus who have gotten

37:02

trouble a couple of years ago. It really

37:05

wasn't difficult. If you save something as a

37:07

PDF and slightly alter it, you pull it up.

37:09

The directors have access to the database

37:11

at the time, um, but performers are not

37:13

supposed to be able to. Of course, that stuff leaks because

37:16

it's like everyone being in school

37:18

together but being on the same level kind

37:20

of. So that he lied about his test results

37:23

sicalists, and he gave secalists a couple

37:25

people that actually the police charge I mean had a community

37:27

service. He lost good good that's

37:29

that's but he was a prominent mill performer.

37:32

It's like I've met Mr Marcus several times.

37:35

I never worked with him, and he's always like, girl did

37:37

we haven't worked together, especially

37:40

not now because and

37:42

it's also like, I mean, you know, in any

37:45

community, there's like a sense of camaraderie

37:47

and trust that you hope to build what the people do is that

37:49

does that exist in the porn industry you have like

37:52

friends or like any kind of like a group of like porn

37:54

stars who hang out. I mean, I would hope you do.

37:57

But it's when the job

37:59

is sex really changes everyone's

38:02

relationship and the way you

38:04

can really trust people, because it just is it's

38:06

a really mind fuck situation. Especially for women.

38:09

It's coming at a different angle. You know, like some

38:11

some directors and some performers and just some

38:14

people in the industry their way of getting them to do things

38:16

by making them feel less about themselves

38:18

or imperfect and already you know, typically coming

38:20

from a background that's not perfect, so

38:23

you're more susceptible as then when your body is a product

38:25

on top of it, there's just all these things going

38:27

on than men are dealing it from another

38:29

angle, and it's like there are problems

38:32

a lot of them. Some of them do crossover, some don't do

38:34

crossover. Some girls won't work with them. They're not into

38:36

banging this girl. And it's just like the

38:41

like more like mean girls relationships

38:43

where people bounce from click to click. You

38:45

know, Now are the things like jealousy like are there

38:47

would there would there be like other female porn

38:50

stars who would get like jealous of

38:52

you for having sex with a certain person

38:54

on camera. There's certain people who always work together

38:57

or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, I

38:59

mean any think you can think of for sex and involved people

39:01

pretty much pretty much do it. And girls

39:04

get really vindictive and poor and where you

39:06

know, I had had situations where people would say,

39:09

oh, someone so said this about you on set and then

39:11

be like, well, why would I hire you? I heard you said

39:13

this on this set, and like, well, I wasn't even in that movie,

39:15

so I don't know how I said that. That's

39:17

say bullshit, it's it's it's very it's any

39:20

entertaining, and industry just

39:22

actually gets sex imporant, especially because you're

39:24

already in social vulnerable situation.

39:27

So it's like you would think especially women

39:29

would want to be as supportive as possible

39:32

of each other, not throwing each other out, especially

39:34

because you also you all funck

39:37

each other, Like, I mean, you can choose your scene partners,

39:39

and you can obviously veto write some a scene

39:41

partner, but I mean you might work together,

39:43

like why would you how sex

39:45

with somebody who's like saying

39:48

shit about you? You know what I mean? And some

39:50

girls totally get off on like bitch

39:52

fucking I guess you like, but some girls

39:55

are tally not into girls and then you get on set

39:57

with that situation and that gets awful. What's

39:59

that like? Are you? Are you bisexual? Are you

40:01

straight? But totally cool? Whatever? You

40:03

know, if I'm attracted yeah

40:07

good, yeah, yeah, but there's some girls

40:09

that are like only gay for pay kind

40:12

of approach. Is it harder to have

40:15

you ever done a scene with somebody who was just so not again?

40:18

I feel like you're like, what's wrong

40:20

with me? But

40:24

yeah, it totally happens, and you just kind of have to blow

40:27

it off going through like it's still

40:29

there. It's through

40:32

somebody who wants to. Because I watch a lot of porn.

40:34

I love porn, but one of the things that can immediately

40:37

take me out of it is if I know the

40:39

person, if either anybody in the porn

40:41

is like like just over

40:44

and not want to don't want to be there, Like when they're genuinely

40:46

into it and getting turned on, you can kind of tell. Some

40:49

people are really good at faking it, but I feel like

40:51

I can always tell if someone's really enjoying it, So that for

40:53

me is like a huge turn off.

40:55

So it's like, how do you keep going when you're

40:57

like, God, damn it, I don't want to eat your pussy?

41:01

Right, but I got eat as much pussy? Got

41:04

an hour, three positions, then

41:06

you can get out of here. How

41:08

long does a porn usually take to shoot? Um,

41:11

it depends if it's like a feature just like a

41:13

gonzo scene. It can take an

41:16

hour or eight hours or ten hours,

41:18

you know, like the bigger productions that are parody

41:21

or or what the fund is the DVDs

41:23

that I have, Oh, I should text even

41:25

like them, but it's kink that well,

41:28

now what it's DVD's. I'll think of it at some point in

41:30

the interview. And now have you have

41:32

you shot a feature length porn? Okay?

41:35

And now what's like the what's the highest

41:38

productive what was the highest production value kind

41:40

of thing that you were involved in in the porn industry.

41:43

Um, I don't know, Like they don't

41:45

do the features at least for tattooed

41:48

people. Very rare you're in a feature

41:50

because you can't be a ain't know of anything

41:53

pretty much other than the l A Pink parody

41:55

that I was in because that made sense, which it

41:57

was l ink off,

42:02

but that one really and that was like all day feature,

42:04

like tons of like two scenes one

42:07

day and then dialogue in between and like

42:09

barely any times you get tired?

42:11

Yeah, Like how

42:14

do you over it? Yeah? Because

42:16

how do you? Because man,

42:18

what do you have sex? Even when I'm with my boyfriend, we have sex

42:20

like multiple times in a day. When that happens, like at

42:22

the end of the day, I'm like, oh dude,

42:24

Like like, so when you golf

42:27

loom, how do you write? I mean you just have to,

42:29

Oh my god? But when you go did you have

42:31

a boyfriend during all of us? So what

42:34

was your sex life like when you were doing

42:36

for them? Because I'm like, if I it's like when you work at

42:38

a coffee shop and you're like, if I see another cup

42:40

of cough another check, I'm

42:43

over it. Um. Actually my sex life

42:45

was like I come home and have sex like twice a day. Still

42:47

after that, this was like my early and mid twenties.

42:50

So I was just come from the middle

42:52

of nowhere again and there's all these hot dudes you

42:54

want to bang all the time. I was like, let's go. This sounds

42:56

great. I got married in Vegas to this dude

42:59

who was important to Yeah, are you still

43:01

married? No? No? No, So so

43:03

you had so you wait, you had away friend, then you guys broke

43:06

up, then you got married and then yeah, I had a

43:08

boyfriend back at home when I started porn and then

43:10

we broke up when I moved to California,

43:12

and then I met a guy out here and it was very quick

43:15

and we went to Vegas in the one weekend. Got married

43:17

for a second, literally like a second. JK

43:21

was a month or how long did that last? It

43:23

was like six months? And how old were you

43:25

at that time? Okay,

43:28

okay, old Kentucky little grandma.

43:31

It was freaking me out. I get married,

43:33

I'm twenty five. Everyone at home so that I got kids.

43:36

So that was why you were just like drunken

43:38

on a whim like a little part, a little tiny

43:40

part of me was like, Kentucky's

43:44

so sweet? And then how did that end? Were

43:46

you like, did you guys break up? Are you together still?

43:49

Or no? Oh no? Yeah it ended very messily. It

43:51

was very bad. It was it's

43:53

really hard to have a healthy relationship in porn

43:56

when either party is in poor litto and both of

43:58

them are imporn. It was a porn

44:00

yeah, yeah, so I just as you know, it's and

44:02

I was already over porn. I was like, you know, I got

44:05

to the point where I was that person shown up on set was

44:07

like, Okay, how long I got to be here? I'm so fucking

44:09

over this? Like so that

44:11

and he was all just starting and really

44:13

into it and I was just partning of ways.

44:16

So do you ever get jealous when you're

44:18

when you're doing when you date somebody who's doing porn? Do you ever

44:21

or does it turn you on? Like for me, like the idea of

44:23

my boyfriend somebody else, I mean doing porn is

44:25

is a totally different world, but like that turns me on? Does

44:27

that? Did? Was that a part of it for you or you just didn't

44:30

care because you knew exactly what the it's a

44:32

job, right, Um. The porn part,

44:34

when you're both doing porn, it's more of like

44:37

a career competition that turns

44:39

into so yeah, just stand

44:42

up, you see a little better

44:44

and then you're doing a little better. You're like, you know, I'm gonna

44:46

equally help each other out. But porn is very

44:48

much you're on your own kind of business.

44:50

Everyone seems like they're helping each other, but you really

44:53

got to like make sure you're okay because the end

44:55

of the day, it's a business for only like you can do that

44:57

you yeah, you're you're still the product

44:59

and stuff. So that on top

45:01

of it, and he was just fresh starting out and

45:03

like he was able to get all these other things, travel

45:06

in a national for it, and like going

45:08

back and forth with that and girls, were

45:10

you trying to like kind of like skyrocket

45:13

to like porn stardom or were

45:15

you just doing this for fun? Like what was your did you

45:17

have an ultimate goal when

45:19

you or was it just at first it was like

45:22

just front you know, it was like okay, well

45:24

I'm still dancing or whatever, like this

45:26

is dancing was more money than poor and really

45:29

um, because people don't get paid a ton and porn

45:31

anyone really don't get paid that much and for the risk

45:33

that you take. And now that I'm out and I'm like to be

45:36

education finish, it's like, WHOA, what I thought

45:38

was a lot of money at twenty two, which was worth putting my body

45:40

at risk, it's not at all, And

45:42

you can make more money doing something else. And I

45:45

worked for a couple of tech companies within porn

45:47

after leaving and seeing the you

45:49

know, the higher up the chain you go, it's like, WHOA,

45:52

you're performing is the most risk of able

45:54

at least paying part of this And I don't

45:56

want to be part of this part. I would get up here still

45:58

have all the sex I want to have, but like make a living

46:01

out of it in a future and a safe future

46:03

where like you get to choose you play with more often.

46:06

Yeah? Absolutely so is that is

46:08

that what you're you're working in the tech part

46:10

of it now or yeah? Well not anymore?

46:13

Like I was like, is that your because I know you're working with

46:15

video games, so that's that's your

46:17

main thing now? Yeah? Actually, and I just finished

46:20

makeup school out here too because I have a YouTube

46:22

channel, so like, um, since

46:25

I quit porn, it was what do I do

46:27

with my life is doing video games. It was a very male

46:29

dominated world too, and I

46:31

felt like I hit a lot of glass feelings with the

46:34

porn past. Honestly, you know, they takes

46:36

one Google search, and then when you're trying to get

46:38

an in office job, well everyone knows

46:40

you and they think it's cool, but there might be someone

46:42

who feels uncomfortable. So HR is like,

46:45

really, how many times has that happened

46:47

to you? Three? I know for

46:49

sure of did they say? Did

46:52

they say to you people? They're told me, but they

46:54

couldn't tell me that to my face. I

46:57

was like, that's not you know, legal grounds for firing

46:59

somebody. So what kind of like bullshit do

47:01

they feed you to fire you? Oh? Then I

47:03

didn't even get to that point. You just never made

47:05

it to you went through all the interviews and like

47:08

so many times would be the last interview and like

47:11

really, like here it's going to happen, and then

47:13

you know someone there and freaks out when

47:15

there's someone more. Even when

47:18

I started to make up school, like within three

47:20

weeks, all the girls and my class had figured

47:22

it out, even though I had not told them or linked anything

47:24

other than just being like this girl with no makeup and

47:26

class every day find

47:29

it finds you. You never do anything if you don't want to see

47:32

it. But you know, it's like, I'm not ashamed of it. Once

47:34

the world have to make me feel like I should be ashamed

47:36

of it, that's that's the world. I will break

47:38

out. They don't know how to handle it because I feel like

47:40

I feel like at the beginning, like when I've met my boyfriend

47:43

before we started dating, and he was dating a girl

47:45

who was imporn, uh, and

47:47

he told me that, I was like, tell me everything.

47:50

That's amazing. Oh my god, I want to know everything about

47:52

Like it's fascinating. I think it's fascinating. One

47:54

of the reason why it's fascinating to me personally is because

47:57

I don't own my sexuality and and

48:00

actors and actresses like that's the ultimate

48:02

like, yeah, here's my pussy, you

48:05

know what I mean. So I'm really like, I'm

48:07

in awe of someone being able to like

48:09

hone in their sexuality so much and be so comfortable

48:12

Like that's what amazed me. But I think with dudes, and

48:14

I mean other chicks probably are just petty and

48:16

jealous, you know,

48:19

as a bummer, although makeup school surprisingly

48:21

with being so many women like amazing,

48:23

And when I started making friends with all

48:26

the girls in class and hanging out one on one or going

48:28

to little groups, and I finally told a couple of them

48:30

one night, and they're like, oh, we already knew, and that's

48:32

why they knew. Yeah, we're

48:34

just gonna wait for you to tell us, Like this

48:37

is pretty little. It was really

48:39

sweet, you guys. Yeah, especially girls

48:41

get like I have ex boyfriends that I dated before

48:43

porn that their girlfriends like wouldn't let them even

48:46

be my friend anymore because they were weird out that

48:48

I had gone to what like, you're just gonna knock on

48:50

their door one day and be like, pizzas here, time to

48:52

fuck. I don't understand

48:54

that somebody animal, Well, it's weird rational

48:56

fear. I got really jealous

48:59

of of the situation because

49:01

she dated her right before me,

49:04

and we started dating two weeks after they broke

49:06

up, so it was really quick and we, I like,

49:09

we fell in love with each other very quickly. But I was

49:11

so intimidated by it. But I knew I wasn't

49:13

intimidated by it enough to be an immature piece

49:15

of ship where I was like, fuck her, like, she's

49:17

really smart, she's gorgeous, she's good at porn.

49:19

Like I'm not the bet to say about her. I'm just an insecure piece

49:22

of shit about it. So it's like admitted

49:24

call a spade to spade. You know, girls

49:26

were always guilty of it. It's just being able

49:28

to break down, like, Okay, this isn't them, this is all

49:33

yeah, yeah, what about God? Like, do you get any

49:35

reactions from gy Like do guys you slut

49:37

shaming? You want to talk about that? I mean on

49:40

the Internet of course, like my YouTube channel, I am

49:42

constantly having to keep up with comments because

49:45

I don't even let them go up until I prove them because like

49:47

I like it. But when you suck dick, yeah, you can't

49:51

like, oh you're the first one to say that. Oh my god, who

49:53

did it? Thanks for telling the Internet I did porn. I'm

49:55

sure they didn't know. Yeah, So I mean that

49:58

part and then in person,

50:00

you know, like I think sometimes in gaming

50:02

I experience it um because

50:05

the dudes were fans before because I was like

50:07

the nerdy chicken porn and like I

50:09

tied a lot of my had my own personal site

50:11

where I had made my own content as well, which was usually

50:13

gaming related. By the time I went to gaming,

50:15

it was because they already knew who I was, and I was trying

50:18

to leverage that into what was something else

50:20

I loved and how to put you know, time forward on

50:22

my resume is work. But

50:24

guys can't get a lot of guys can't

50:27

get past I saw her

50:29

pussy, so like,

50:31

I feel like they have they don't. They have a one track

50:33

mine with that kind of ship, and they can't let it

50:35

go. They can't be cool, they

50:38

can't hold the ship down. But

50:40

now you you were talking, you had, like mentioned

50:43

earlier, just kind of in passing that, uh,

50:46

people are coming into porn with you know, interesting

50:48

pass I'm sure you come across a lot

50:50

of people who maybe didn't

50:52

come from the best place. Obviously that's a stereotype.

50:55

But I kind of wanted to discuss that a little bit

50:57

because it seems like you had a a

51:01

nice childhood. But I see you shaking your head.

51:03

At the time, I thought it was good. Okay, So

51:05

do you what that was bad? You feel like he made

51:08

up might have contributed to well, my parents

51:10

divorced when I was to my family's

51:13

parents side has never got along. Um.

51:15

And then my father actually committed suicide when I was fifteen

51:18

on Christmas, which was three weeks after

51:20

I lost my virginity. On top of it Christmas,

51:23

UM, and his dad had actually done

51:26

it two years prior as well, So both

51:28

my grandfather and my father committed smith side.

51:31

Yeah, daddy issues for sure, said,

51:34

and that's every fucking thing is an issue. Like

51:36

the reason why we I'm curious about this is because I fucking

51:38

hate when dudes are like, either if you're stripper,

51:41

if you're import, what then your dad do

51:43

to you? Like it just makes me angry.

51:45

But then stuck other people and they're like, no, it's

51:47

true, Well is it? I don't know, because that's

51:49

an interesting because everyone's fucked up from everything

51:51

that's happened everyone. Yeah, that's what I say.

51:54

Coming across people with a support of family is

51:56

much more rare in dancing or porn Totally.

51:59

You don't get into porn because you have like a stable

52:01

family that's helping you pay for college. Like a big

52:04

portion of the reason I got to porn and dancing was I want

52:06

to finish college. I want to pay for it. I didn't want to have to

52:08

have a million dollars and student loans, which

52:10

I still ended up with anyway, and porn didn't

52:12

pay them. You know, it wasn't enough to really pay

52:15

how much higher education is now. Yeah.

52:18

So, I mean when your dad was

52:21

was alive, was your relationship good,

52:23

was he a good father? Or when

52:25

I remember him, Yeah, like he was

52:27

supposed to come every other weekend and get me, but it didn't

52:30

always happen. But I have these

52:32

like child memories of him, so he still

52:34

is never bad. We had a good time. We

52:36

went to the river, hung out with his friends, like they

52:39

had kids over my age. But you

52:42

know, it's in hindsight, like stuff that like

52:44

sexuality that my mom exposed me to early

52:47

on, I never you know, I think

52:49

she had her best intentions in mind, but

52:52

she also like casually

52:54

had sex with men that I wasn't hidden from

52:56

me. So I kind of hear it when

52:58

you were a kid. Yeah him, I mean until

53:00

I was in high school, banging on the wall kind of stuff,

53:03

you know, Like now that I'm older, she

53:05

was trying to be my best friend and not really

53:07

backfired. Yeah, I needed a parent at that point,

53:10

especially after losing my father. I really needed a parent.

53:12

Yeah, Oh my gosh. I trying

53:14

to stay on track

53:17

as much as possible, and I didn't really fall off the way like

53:19

when I look at statistically how I could

53:21

have ended up, and course when it's

53:23

like I'm not doing so bad. Yeah, so you kind

53:25

you kind of seem like you're an experimental person.

53:27

And was there anyone that you found in porn,

53:30

whether it be a performer and an Asian

53:33

or director who kind of acted as

53:35

a parental figure and kind of made

53:37

you do things, or was there any kind of relationship

53:40

like that that developed. There were two

53:42

people I looked up to, one

53:44

who got me into porn and one who

53:46

I looked up independently, like as a consumer

53:49

of porn before I got into it, and

53:51

both once you know, the curtain

53:54

was opened, was not my best intentions

53:57

in mind. And the first person who had got me in

53:59

totally took advantage of a lot of things,

54:02

told me lower rates, had me do stuff that

54:04

like I didn't know that. You wait to do and you

54:06

wait, like looking at a career path, like

54:08

you don't do anal right away, You wait and like

54:11

get more money for your first anal stying it's

54:13

just kind of the business. Yeah. Yeah,

54:15

and and like stuff you wouldn't know and you

54:17

would trust until you started working for other people.

54:19

Yeah, and then like what they say you get paid for

54:22

this, You're like, oh, that's the standard, and you

54:24

don't know who to flush it out with or check, you know, until

54:26

you're an agent, you're kind of like you're on

54:28

your own. You're guessing how long did it

54:30

take you to get an agent? Maybe

54:32

a year and a half, okay, so for you're

54:34

not a half, you're just kind of trusting what people

54:37

tell you. Which was one company. Yeah,

54:39

I can't imagine navigating the porn industry

54:42

on my own as a young woman, Like,

54:44

yeah, it was. It was overwhelming. And you you know,

54:46

you get all these these parties and get

54:48

bottle service. Everything's free. So even though that

54:50

stuff is happening, you don't know what it means, realize

54:53

it's happening. You're just like, oh my god, I'm ever so much

54:55

fun. I'na whatever, because

54:57

I mean, you know, you're still a performerst you have that magical

54:59

thing where you feel like a celebrity. You know, you're

55:02

wearing ice clothes, your with and they put

55:04

you up for it too. You know, they're like fluffing it to

55:06

the whole feeling. Yeah. Absolutely, So

55:09

now you're getting bottle surface and stuff. Is I

55:11

imagine there's probably a substance

55:14

abuse problem running rampant

55:16

in the porn industry. Yeah, it's

55:22

like Los Angeles really

55:25

loves cocaine. It's weird

55:27

and it's crappy. I don't know why people like it.

55:30

Like it's like, I mean

55:32

stereotype for like the eighties. I feel like

55:35

everyone's talking about it. We had we were on a

55:37

show and Tuesday at the store or on a

55:39

Friday show, and everyone was talking about cocaine. And then

55:41

I was waiting in line for the bathroom last night and this girl

55:44

was like, how how did you get your waist? That's skinny?

55:46

Do you do like a lot of I'm like, oh no, I

55:48

fucking worked out meat. Well oh

55:51

weird. But anyway, drug substance

55:53

abuses, what is that like in the Yeah,

55:55

your experience that's different. You know, it's

55:57

like people are doing dougs,

56:00

but what people's choice of drugs are so

56:02

different? And like I really didn't drink a lot till

56:04

I was like twenty three. I was really boring,

56:06

Like I turned twenty one on the Sunday and

56:08

a blue state, so I couldn't even get alcohol

56:10

and it was snow storm, so I was like, well, I guess I'll drink sometime

56:13

and just never got around to it and

56:15

then rink. When three got into port, I was like, oh parties.

56:18

But yeah, they're I mean, there's definitely

56:20

coke because people that do coke lots of uppers,

56:22

so people stay like, yeah, hi

56:25

to meet you, how to meet you? And I can fun fucking

56:27

fucking fuck um. Some people do ecstasy

56:29

a lot when they go to set. Yeah,

56:32

I think you would be so dehydrated between the fucking

56:34

and the ecstacy, right, sweating and

56:36

stuff, but you've

56:39

never been fucking somebody and you realize,

56:42

funk are you on? Are you high right now? With

56:46

dudes, they are not so much before

56:48

sets because they can't do anything to risk sucking up

56:51

their dick, So like coke, they can't.

56:53

You know, there's yeah, coke, dick. Coke

56:55

makes your dick, right. They buy stuff

56:58

from Canada, like they buy um,

57:00

you know, rec forcteal dysfunction pills

57:03

from Canada. I'm gonna be shipped over And that's usually

57:05

their drug of choice before a scene.

57:07

Like, but I've known girls that look for colored

57:09

contacts that match their color so

57:11

that they can roll and their pupils not be dilated

57:14

on. And I'm like, damning,

57:19

But some of them it's not because they can't do it otherwise.

57:22

It's like I have a friend that she does that.

57:24

Um. I only talked to one

57:27

girl who's still actively in porn actually

57:29

uh, and she was talking about it. It's like there

57:32

was a twelve person gang bang and she wanted to enjoy

57:35

it, so she like decided to do

57:37

that. And it's like, well it makes sense, especially

57:39

to be able to take that. Yeah, I kind of get it, Like because

57:42

when I smoke weed, it gets super horny. So

57:45

if my job was because the

57:47

idea of like a bunch of dudes fucking me makes

57:50

me horny, Like that sounds delightful,

57:53

um, but maybe a lot of red bull, it's a

57:55

lot of work. Well, Like I'm like, but why wouldn't

57:57

I want to get stone just be like touch me boys?

57:59

Like it sounds wonderful, but

58:01

then it's like you have to perform and you have to be you

58:04

know, you have to you have to be on right, so

58:06

you can't really be like you just lay

58:08

there and look and you have to take all that in

58:10

your mouth at the end of it. Yeah, that

58:14

a lot of a lot of porn is shot

58:16

for dudes to jerk off, only dudes.

58:19

Girls Like, I'm hitting myself. Oh yeah, I need

58:21

some jiz all over my face. The jis

58:23

on the face that did never turn me on, and some

58:25

of the blow jobs are on the

58:27

face. But I feel like I'm in the minority

58:30

there. But like every single time,

58:32

it's like every time you like,

58:35

it's the horning. I gotta go somewhere just for cleanup

58:37

purposes alone. I mean, that's just I

58:39

mean, I like the headache. I like watching

58:41

the guy come like I like what his penis is outside

58:44

the girl and he's coming like that. I love. I think it's great.

58:46

But then like in the eye, come on, I mean, and it hurts.

58:49

That sounds your

58:51

eyes absolutely have to be closed. But I

58:54

mean sometimes have you gotten

58:56

in your eyes? It really stings,

58:58

Really, it really stings, because you ever gotten just in

59:00

your own Oh yeah, it's like a motherfucker

59:03

and you got like eyelashes on and lash

59:05

glue and that's all been in there, and then it's

59:07

like getting stuck together and it's wrong

59:10

with the deal so annoying.

59:13

Wait, oh, I have so many questions about anal? Do you do anal?

59:17

What does the prep like? And did you like

59:20

the anal? Um? I like anal,

59:22

but when it comes to porn anal, it was you

59:24

know, you're doing stuff at an angle for to

59:26

open it up. So anal at an angle, it's

59:29

not a lot of angle. I'm not so feeling

59:31

good. You know why? How

59:34

so is the dick entering you differently from

59:36

the side? Yeah? Oh god, how

59:39

do you How is that painful? Yeah?

59:42

So you like what you know a lot of people do, And

59:44

what I would do is get up in the morning and you

59:46

get a plug to

59:48

open you up all day

59:51

until you're scene because that way it's like stretched

59:53

the muscle, so it's not as hard. So

59:55

so if you because because I have a bupp, I

59:57

haven't used yet because I'm I'm kind of confus

1:00:00

used. But you put it in with

1:00:02

lube or no no, and you walk

1:00:04

around with okay fall

1:00:07

out without loub I don't know. I guess if your

1:00:09

assholes out then it probably won't hurt too bad.

1:00:12

Yeah that's true, that's true. And then you just how

1:00:14

many hours do you put it? We have the bull plug in. Um.

1:00:16

I mean if I shot it like a two, I would bring up a like

1:00:19

eight or thirty or so. Okay, So I really put

1:00:21

in maybe like an hour. Even some people don't. It just

1:00:23

depends on your own body. And like I would

1:00:25

do it so it wouldn't be uncomfortable

1:00:27

all because I needed to be very

1:00:30

stretched out for it, right because it's sideways

1:00:32

angle. Oh my god. They would always I would

1:00:34

always do in a racial scenes and they booked me for anals

1:00:36

all the biggest dis damn

1:00:39

it. I'd be like, okay, today, I could

1:00:41

take it how you like a giant

1:00:43

cock sideways in your ass

1:00:46

without and still look caught on your

1:00:48

face and not make a fashion all that

1:00:52

I can't. I would. I would make all the

1:00:54

faces there was. I have one really bad time when

1:00:56

I was doing like a live webcam show and it was

1:00:58

an interactional anal scene and the guy's so

1:01:00

awesome, it's such a nice performer, but the

1:01:03

studio didn't have any enemas and they

1:01:05

only had douches in the bathroom, and it was

1:01:07

like ten minutes till we go live, and I'm like, okay,

1:01:09

well, I guess I'll have to make this douche work very

1:01:11

carefully, and it snagged. It

1:01:15

was like and live.

1:01:17

So the whole time I'll be like, yeah, I'm really into this and like,

1:01:19

oh my god, and

1:01:22

he was like are you okay? And I was like it did

1:01:24

just a little but not enough daring sex that you could see

1:01:27

anything, but just like, oh and you

1:01:29

had to keep your fit. Oh my god, game

1:01:31

face. Why do you get booked for interracial

1:01:34

scenes a lot because a lot of people are willing

1:01:36

to do it. Oh, I mean parn

1:01:38

is like oddly kind of racist still, which

1:01:41

comes to that. So like, you know, I have friends that I

1:01:43

feel like everyone want to get on the black ice tick. Yeah,

1:01:45

I know you think so, but like it's weird

1:01:48

because also if you're like mixed

1:01:50

but you're not that dark, they don't consider in racial

1:01:52

or if you're like it's really down for girls,

1:01:55

like girls who can you know, have

1:01:57

no tattoos, look very like a little perfect

1:02:00

twenty three porn checks to have like two

1:02:02

or three years, and they work a whole bunch of time and then

1:02:04

you know that's the end of porn for them, and then some

1:02:06

other else turns eighteen and goes on kind

1:02:09

of thing, but they don't. One girl turns twenty three,

1:02:11

another girl's turn in eighteen for the

1:02:14

racial is like above anal.

1:02:16

It's like they were like gang bangs and stuff on extreme. Why

1:02:19

it's considered it extreme, I do not know. But

1:02:21

if you say you're like a white check you don't do in racial,

1:02:24

but you being an Asian dude, they don't consider that interracial

1:02:26

a lot that won't taint you as

1:02:28

they treat it. Yeah,

1:02:31

so if you're willing to do interracial, like you're probably gonna

1:02:33

ge booked for a lot of interracial And I was like, what does it?

1:02:36

Does it lessen your value

1:02:38

in the porn industry? So the girl people treat

1:02:40

it like a lessens your value? Yeah, you

1:02:42

like this little girl who looks eighteen, but

1:02:45

you know you're legally a team, but you look younger. See

1:02:47

when you take a giant, big flat dick

1:02:49

is like not what the man want to do. So

1:02:52

even know, within even in horn,

1:02:55

even in porn, you almost have to in a certain

1:02:57

sense remain virginal in some acts.

1:03:01

And it's and it's and is this you know this

1:03:03

is like obviously the industry is doing this, but it's I'm

1:03:05

sure from feedback based on porn

1:03:07

consumers, right, or it's

1:03:09

still a little slow to keeping up with feedback

1:03:12

from consumers. Like tattoos

1:03:14

a lot better in the past couple of years, but for a

1:03:16

long time, like tattoos until suicide

1:03:19

girls, you didn't work. It didn't matter no one

1:03:21

how you were, like a truck stop hooker if

1:03:23

you had tattoos kind of approached. That's why I like that

1:03:26

girl that was on the Blink We Need two

1:03:28

album cover got all tattoos,

1:03:30

like you know, it just didn't work. Now

1:03:33

she's been arrested and stuff. Yeah, yeah,

1:03:35

but she's back. So did

1:03:38

you always have the amount of tattoos that you haven't did? I

1:03:40

started going to tattoo eighteen and I got my sleep downe

1:03:42

at twenty ones. By the time I enter porn, I already had like

1:03:45

all of this because for me, I spent hours

1:03:47

looking for porn with people with tattoos

1:03:50

and both the men. And it's like this is like a

1:03:52

search that I do often, and it is it's

1:03:54

difficult to find a lot because I like, like a punk girl

1:03:56

with punk rock like people tattoos, piercings,

1:03:58

etcetera. And stuffing like at because I'm like, I

1:04:01

feel like, you know, the go to is like fake

1:04:04

tits, blonde hair, and I can't even watch

1:04:06

porn with that. That's just for me. That's not something

1:04:08

that I enjoy. So yeah,

1:04:11

and it's like a totally different feeling

1:04:13

for men that are heavily tattooed and porn versus

1:04:15

women. But like I said, in the past couple of years, even just

1:04:17

since I've quit, it's really changed so

1:04:20

much with like Christie Mack and gorgeous

1:04:23

yeah, and then like Bonnie Rotten and stuff. But before

1:04:26

that, especially a chest tattoo, like, it

1:04:28

was so much work for me to get work.

1:04:30

Even though I was with el A Direct, which

1:04:32

was one of the best agencies at the time, it was still

1:04:35

like shaking hands constantly

1:04:37

networking myself because no one knew

1:04:39

what to do with you. And I don't look super punk

1:04:41

rock even though much tattooed. So I was really just

1:04:43

like, yeah, you have a

1:04:45

very interesting look because you do have all these tattoos,

1:04:48

but they're not like they're very They're like there's

1:04:50

a lot, but they're very like they're

1:04:52

very whimsy totato. Yeah, and

1:04:54

you, I mean, you look young

1:04:57

you have the red hair, the blue eyes. I mean

1:04:59

I feel like you lot of people you would be

1:05:01

like they're dream Yeah

1:05:03

girl next door in tattoos. Yeah, exactly

1:05:06

only works in stereotypes. So it's like I

1:05:09

didn't really Yeah, look at the categories,

1:05:11

right, I mean Jesus, yeah, kind of like that

1:05:13

white is also Asian people and a rachel.

1:05:16

It's only this. It's like porn is

1:05:18

boiled down to the most stereotypical

1:05:21

stereotype you could think of. So you have are there

1:05:23

a lot of porn bloopers well and set that people

1:05:25

don't see? Yeah? Yeah, like

1:05:27

you know, like when I'm having sex sometimes

1:05:29

when the when the dick goes all the way out and then

1:05:32

it goes back in, but then punches you in the taint and you're

1:05:34

like, oh yeah, like has

1:05:36

that happen? Oh yeah, I've

1:05:38

seen you that stuff all the time. Are

1:05:40

like through you know, it goes go out

1:05:42

too fast and it goes down the sign you're not even

1:05:44

in there are the wrong hole anyway,

1:05:48

it could go bad, but in a funny way, it totally Yeah,

1:05:51

do you guys, is there like a sense of humor on set at

1:05:53

all? Or yeah? I mean, what can you do when you laugh when you're right.

1:05:55

So they're ye, like,

1:05:59

I'm too good for this, I'm

1:06:02

leaving. Have you done gangbang scenes? I

1:06:04

never did do a gang bang. It's like the one thing

1:06:06

I really want to do, but I never wanted to

1:06:08

do it. I did, and I loved watching

1:06:10

gang Bang well throughout this whole thing. So did

1:06:13

you do thirty three porns?

1:06:15

Is that that the internet? That's what they're talking

1:06:18

I have that, and I had my own site which probably

1:06:21

was only maybe like another twenty scenes

1:06:23

on it. So yeah, I guess that's about right.

1:06:25

But gang bang, like, I was just like, like

1:06:28

to do that. I'm wondering, like, what's

1:06:30

it like in between takes on a gang bang? What

1:06:33

do you like? Is everyone just like a lot of friends,

1:06:35

my friends on their phone with

1:06:37

their dicks in their hands. Probably everyone

1:06:41

pretty much has their phone somewhere, Like you would

1:06:43

be like, so

1:06:46

what's the So if you haven't done what's what would

1:06:48

you consider the most hardcore scene

1:06:51

you did? I did do issue for kink dot com,

1:06:53

so that one was like, probably what

1:06:55

did it involved? It was the what

1:06:59

bonded device? Bondage? So it's so low, but

1:07:01

it was like being literally

1:07:03

screwed to a floor upside down in

1:07:05

a pile driver position, where like if something

1:07:08

happened, it would still take fifteen minutes for them

1:07:10

to undo the hardware, screwed it into the wood to

1:07:12

get you out. And then one where like

1:07:15

they had a gas mask on me and um,

1:07:18

like restricting my breathing and

1:07:20

putting icy hot on my nipples while like I

1:07:23

walked into that

1:07:26

was and that was like hour for hours, it was like getting

1:07:29

it off. Now, did

1:07:31

you ever feel like scared during any of those

1:07:33

scenes or were you just kind of um

1:07:37

some of it? Yeah, some of it was turned on. It

1:07:40

was more like I had never done bondage that extreme,

1:07:42

and there was such a like, you know, well

1:07:45

known company with an adult that I felt

1:07:47

safe the new people that were there in my age book, So it wasn't

1:07:49

like I'm going to some dudes. Basically, it

1:07:53

wasn't like soft porn edition. It's

1:07:56

not quite like that. Eire was like an industrial

1:07:58

oil drum of lube, which I thought was so funny.

1:08:01

It was like this big the only place you're

1:08:03

ever going to see it. As one of course said that's amazing,

1:08:06

especially pink. So this

1:08:08

seems like you still come off it with like I still love

1:08:10

like a love and enjoyment for sex.

1:08:12

But I know you did express me that your

1:08:14

overall experience, I mean, would you categorize

1:08:16

your overall experience as a negative

1:08:19

experience important? Because it's so

1:08:21

hard to say because it's like, uh, it

1:08:23

ruined like so many relationships I had. It's

1:08:26

ruined a lot of business

1:08:28

opportunities I would have had afterwards, but you

1:08:30

know, arly like would they be there otherwise some yes,

1:08:32

some no um, And then the business

1:08:35

aspect of like people actively

1:08:37

trying to screw you over. And that happened

1:08:40

a whole lot for me because the

1:08:42

tattoo thing there, you know, like it's a girls

1:08:44

scratching at each other to try to get these few

1:08:46

jobs for tattoos. So it was

1:08:48

really like, I mean, one one

1:08:50

company that I used to work for, my agent

1:08:53

had to intervene and have a meeting with her to tell her

1:08:55

to stop trying to sabotage me with

1:08:57

other companies. I was saying

1:09:00

anything she could any like that. I

1:09:02

was just the one. I was talking about people on set when I had

1:09:04

never even been on like those sets. And that's

1:09:06

when one of the directors was like, well, someone said

1:09:08

you said this, and I'm like, I wasn't there and you couldn't

1:09:11

check the dates. And that's when he was like, Okay, do you want to come

1:09:13

work for me? And then

1:09:15

like one of the biggest directors

1:09:17

who worked for vivided as a lot of the superhero

1:09:21

very familiar with Vivid's very happening

1:09:23

there the production is

1:09:26

Yeah. Well, then one of the directors like called

1:09:28

me and I had him on speakerphone in my car and my friends were

1:09:30

in there, and he's like, oh, never, how are you are fat and

1:09:33

ugly? And I was like, this is a job. You don't

1:09:35

want me for the job. And then chasing down companies

1:09:37

for your money even though your a doing it. Director

1:09:40

called you to tell you how he thought

1:09:42

you were fat and ugly? Yeah, because

1:09:44

he had done the superhero movies

1:09:46

and obviously my niche was like gaming and

1:09:48

so I M make a great poison iv

1:09:51

It wasn't really there

1:09:53

was like this crossover and like especially like

1:09:55

they were doing the Spider Man porn and there was a potation

1:09:57

online like people like one of my friends

1:09:59

was G four signed. It was this huge thing with hundreds

1:10:02

and hundred signatures to have me be Mary Jane,

1:10:04

and he called just to personally tell me he would not ever

1:10:07

hire me because I'm fat and ugly

1:10:09

and I have stupid tattoos Italian

1:10:12

accent. So I was like, Okay, this

1:10:14

is not a normal job. I don't like this part

1:10:16

of it. And then like hounting people for paychecks,

1:10:19

that part, you know, it's like directors, what

1:10:21

even screw over the studios and run away with thirty

1:10:24

dollars and you all worked for free and there's nothing,

1:10:26

you know, there's no longevity or

1:10:28

real ability to plan a future off

1:10:30

the income through adult I feel like, and

1:10:33

then like just everything around it being affected.

1:10:35

Yeah, because so everyone who wants to do it for the money

1:10:38

shouldn't do it for the money. Even if you're

1:10:40

doing it for the money, it's not that much money exactly, because

1:10:42

like the bill knocks, obviously,

1:10:45

what's the reason everybody's talking about her

1:10:47

specific instance and getting into porn. It's not the

1:10:49

first girl to go to college exactly. Yeah,

1:10:52

and it was even the money. But doing it for the money,

1:10:54

I mean, when you were doing it for the money at college

1:10:56

at the time, that was sufficient because it was a couple hundred

1:10:58

bucks at the time was a lot, Yeah, we can

1:11:01

start that way. It just kind of like, you know, like

1:11:03

anything that is a job turns into

1:11:05

like a job at some point it wants it

1:11:07

turned into like no fun. I was like, why I love sex, I'm

1:11:09

not going to ruin it with this job.

1:11:11

About six, I'm gonna go have sex for fun.

1:11:14

And I actually the first year out of porn and out of

1:11:16

my marriage, like I left

1:11:18

him three weeks after I left porn

1:11:20

because I found all this information out blah blah

1:11:23

about him. Yeah, but it was just so liberating

1:11:26

because it was like I'm in the city with all

1:11:28

these like hot dudes and hot chicks, and like I'm

1:11:30

single and I'm not import of more and I'm gonna

1:11:32

do whatever I want. Is mind baby.

1:11:34

It was so what

1:11:37

would you say, just as to someone,

1:11:39

especially a young woman who was interested in

1:11:42

becoming a porn performer,

1:11:46

What can you really say? You know, people said the same

1:11:48

thing to me when I was young. You really just can't

1:11:50

comprehend of how it will flush out until

1:11:52

it does. But take

1:11:55

that advice. And he didn't like, if you don't want people to

1:11:57

know, don't ever think no one will find out, and

1:11:59

don't think this won't ever affect every job you have

1:12:01

from now on if you ever want to leave adult,

1:12:04

Like, if your job is you want to be a famous

1:12:06

porn star and that's what you're throwing your all

1:12:08

into, then good luck,

1:12:12

good night, and good Yeah. But you know,

1:12:14

like if you're just doing this thinking that no one will

1:12:16

know, this

1:12:18

is not quick, but you actually have like you know you

1:12:20

actually But but for someone who actually has

1:12:23

a passion for sex and wants to do porn,

1:12:26

you wouldn't advise it. I would say lifestyle

1:12:28

like you know, like I really like I'm still involved

1:12:30

in lifestyle stuff. You know, me and my boyfriend are swingers

1:12:33

and like he's never been an adult. But anytime

1:12:35

you turn something in that you love

1:12:37

into a monetary kind

1:12:39

of like it's hard line and sex

1:12:41

is so fun, why why change it? Because

1:12:44

I know friends that still love sex that are inborn too,

1:12:46

But it's not the same as like an

1:12:48

organic growing and could Yeah it's

1:12:51

fun. When you did porn, did you come

1:12:53

a lot in the scenes? No you

1:12:55

didn't. No, never, never really

1:12:57

gottaking it. I can't without um

1:13:00

a twice. So like really, so you

1:13:02

need like clteral stimulation, yeah, like sometimes

1:13:04

after the scene was over, the guy would finish the

1:13:06

job. It's very nice. That is

1:13:08

actually it's very sweet, Like

1:13:11

it did so much work on would you

1:13:13

just go down on you? Yeah, you

1:13:16

can't really go down for like as long as it

1:13:18

might take, right, but the

1:13:20

angle you need it to be. Yeah, it's

1:13:23

the part I want to see. And people are getting a lot a lot

1:13:25

of young people are getting their sex education from porn because

1:13:27

it's like if your parents aren't saying anything in the schools like just

1:13:29

don't have sex, what the fund are you gonna do? And it's

1:13:32

like there's so many things

1:13:34

about it that I'm like, this is geared towards dudes,

1:13:36

and this is not how people I know. Yeah, it really

1:13:38

like I hope to see

1:13:40

that part change, Like this is changing a little

1:13:42

bit. There are signs that shoot for women, but

1:13:45

it's because it's not even necessarily. I don't need a fucking

1:13:47

plot and a princess in a castle that has nothing to

1:13:49

do that just like do things while

1:13:52

you're fucking that a woman show good.

1:13:54

I want to see some dudes. Yeah, I don't

1:13:56

need to see the back of his butt, and that's it. In

1:13:59

the way business to

1:14:03

just like throw ugly dudes in ports I

1:14:05

know, and I'm just like why it is because

1:14:07

they can do l

1:14:11

Yeah. I was like, I'd rather have a better looking

1:14:13

guy with a smaller dick, honestly, yeah,

1:14:15

that would be better friend. And who knows what he's doing?

1:14:17

And like do you I

1:14:19

know, I know you mentioned that before you were started

1:14:22

doing porn yourself, that you were a consumer

1:14:24

of it. Now, having left, you still watch

1:14:26

porn. Not really, you

1:14:29

know, it's kind of hard to get it right. It's hard,

1:14:31

you know, It's it's been a long time, and like when I

1:14:33

left, I just would have refused to even talk about

1:14:36

it because I just needed time to really take in everything

1:14:38

that happened, just how I felt about it. But

1:14:40

now it's you know, like scrolling

1:14:42

through oh that's my friend, well that spirit I don't really

1:14:45

want to watch my friends and like the insides

1:14:47

like well I know that he doesn't even really like doing that. I

1:14:50

want to ruin Now it's like I watch

1:14:52

hint I because now I'm like I don't know anyone in there and it

1:14:54

can't be running for me. And hint I, when

1:14:57

do you have to schedule your shoes around your period? I

1:15:00

know you actually use a sponge that

1:15:02

was like the There there are some great sex tips

1:15:04

I learned from tell Us more natural

1:15:07

sea sponge that has to be natural, can't

1:15:09

be the synthetic. Boil it so it's clean

1:15:11

sterile lube and put it up there and you can

1:15:14

put it all the way up your until you can't put it up anymore.

1:15:16

And then it does about the size of a tampon because it'll

1:15:19

move with peanuts as it goes in. But then

1:15:21

it also absorbs on the other side. You

1:15:23

know, if it's a heavy flow day, you might want to rent it

1:15:25

out or something how it goes. But if you just like light and

1:15:27

you want to do it, Wait, what other

1:15:29

sex tips have you learned from the anal thing?

1:15:32

Like the for a while up to

1:15:34

it when you first was it, did you

1:15:36

not to the bupplug? No? No, I didn't

1:15:38

know. It was just like, did you ever do you be ever bled

1:15:40

while doing anal without? Yeah?

1:15:44

Yeah, it's not good. It's not good

1:15:46

and it takes forever to heal. It's like

1:15:48

a paper cut keeps opening. Yes,

1:15:51

Okay, I gotta You're not alone? And did

1:15:54

you now besides the ripping, did

1:15:56

you ever get any poor related

1:15:58

injuries? Or dizz eases are

1:16:00

not ganaria wants what's it? Like? What

1:16:02

is what are the characteristics? Physical characteris?

1:16:05

You know what is it? Itchy or no? You

1:16:07

know it takes so long for you to actually show effects, and then

1:16:09

you're getting tested so often. So I'd only had

1:16:11

it for like a week. By the time my tested would come

1:16:13

back, I was like, okay, antibotics and it

1:16:16

was done. But now they're having issues

1:16:18

with the anti antibotic resistant ganaria

1:16:21

going around, especially in l A. So

1:16:23

I'm curious, like how that's gonna

1:16:25

pan m Yes, what would you do? You

1:16:27

can't superta I had a lot that's

1:16:30

happening, right, I mean, I don't know, I

1:16:32

want to think about it. Not fun but

1:16:35

and um now, and I just you just tapped

1:16:37

on a couple of times like people calling you fat

1:16:40

when you're obviously not, which is so really that's

1:16:42

weird to me. Um. So, I mean,

1:16:44

is and eating disorders the way

1:16:46

it is in regular like Hollywood movies. Is this also

1:16:49

a big problem for Yeah, I would

1:16:51

say so. I mean super

1:16:53

body conscious and people that

1:16:55

are are like obsessively so and

1:16:58

you you kind of have to be because you're if

1:17:00

you want to do this as a career and this is you

1:17:03

really got to dedicate all of its product. Yeah,

1:17:06

so where you like working out, like every single

1:17:08

day eating, you always say healthy and worked out. I just

1:17:10

kind of was like, these are the only

1:17:12

people that are saying I'm fat. I'm looking at a chart

1:17:15

my b M I is healthy and my weight is healthy, Like

1:17:17

I'm on the lower end of the average weight for my heights.

1:17:19

So there's nothing I can physically

1:17:21

do to be any different signs for

1:17:24

this person. And it's it's it's

1:17:27

not usually that you're actually fat

1:17:29

or anything. It's some way to like demean

1:17:31

you, to mind funk you, to get

1:17:34

you to do it, to lower your self esteem so that you'll

1:17:36

be a puppet. Yes, exactly. And

1:17:38

that part was a bummer. And it's a bummer seeing like

1:17:40

the women in control turn into that too

1:17:43

because they for so long they kind of have

1:17:45

to to stay afloat within that industry.

1:17:48

Are there any female directors and more

1:17:50

tons kind of female director

1:17:52

interest, but you know a lot of star office performers

1:17:54

and you work your way up and then either direct

1:17:57

grasp of the industry and what it takes and stuff

1:17:59

like that. So would would you ever come

1:18:02

enter the porn industry again, are you kind of done

1:18:04

with that? Never? Yeah? And then

1:18:06

they say that you're always like you're going to come back like their

1:18:08

penny wise, like you're gonna, God, I'm

1:18:11

gonna float down here. I like, I still get

1:18:13

off first to shoot scenes. And when I say no, fifty

1:18:15

percent of the time say you'll be back, they always

1:18:17

come back. It's like I will literally never.

1:18:20

Now I'm not even even

1:18:22

more I hate you right yeah, Like

1:18:24

I'm still a rebellious kid at heart. So even

1:18:26

if I wanted to be like no, just despite

1:18:29

I'm never doing is

1:18:31

there any what's like the grossest thing that's ever happened on

1:18:33

a porn set with you anything? The

1:18:35

only time I walked off set was a movie

1:18:37

called Spit Down the Spectalum. Yes,

1:18:40

Yes, and I the girl walked off with

1:18:42

me. Um. She had been booked for the scene

1:18:45

for two days before the girl

1:18:47

bailed the first time, so then she went

1:18:49

on second day, and the girl bailed the second time, and the

1:18:51

third day they booked me. But this girl didn't

1:18:53

eat this entire time because a

1:18:56

lot of like you know, you're digestive track

1:18:58

and some people can't eat because it was pretty

1:19:00

quick, so we're gonna be a couple of hours. You gotta

1:19:02

be careful. So she just didn't eat this entire

1:19:05

time. So by the time when I'm there, she's like,

1:19:08

you know, sugar low, kind of out of it, getting

1:19:10

her makeup done. And I was told

1:19:13

by my agent that it was just a girl girl

1:19:15

boy three way anal, not like we're

1:19:17

shoving ship up your ass that shouldn't

1:19:20

be there and then we're gonna suck it out with straw.

1:19:25

Yeah, it was an evil angel, so you know, it

1:19:27

was like super filthy. But I would have fleged

1:19:29

my agent to be like, hey, this is a special, like

1:19:31

you need to prep yourself. So

1:19:34

they put something up. They try to put something up your

1:19:36

spectulum. Both of us, we're supposed to both

1:19:38

have a spectulum up. Spectulum is

1:19:41

that it's it's like when you go to the guy in a columist

1:19:43

when you're a little bit okay, that's what the clamps. Yeah,

1:19:46

But when I got

1:19:48

there, they had this bathtub filled

1:19:50

with plastic spectulums that were vaginal

1:19:52

spectulums, which are a little more oval shaped,

1:19:55

but they were intending it for anal, which needs

1:19:57

to be circular shaped and not only

1:19:59

that, it's like plast sick. You can't sterilize plastic

1:20:01

between uses, and they're using these on multiple scenes

1:20:05

and you point out something like that, which is probably why often

1:20:07

I got called fat and stupid because I'm like, that's actually

1:20:09

not intelligence.

1:20:11

Yeah, I like I did three years in biology

1:20:14

lab. Clean up. I tell you right now, that's not gonna

1:20:16

work. You're not. You're a dumb horse showed

1:20:18

up Like I feel like that pretty much, like you're right, I am

1:20:20

a known for. But

1:20:25

wait, what were they going to put up your butt? So they put

1:20:27

this plastic spectulum? Did

1:20:30

you die? I I took it for the

1:20:32

team for I was going to go first because

1:20:34

the girl was like, look like she's about to die

1:20:36

already, so I'll be the one that takes. Let

1:20:39

me put it in because it's not so supposed

1:20:41

to be there. That was very sweet

1:20:44

team player A trond I didn't,

1:20:46

but she was living like in her um,

1:20:49

like some of the agents have houses like model houses,

1:20:51

so she was living there and she was gonna walk off this set

1:20:54

afterwards, like after we're going through this, and

1:20:56

what he was asking was like upped and up and up and then

1:20:58

put it in there and then he was out sucking

1:21:00

her over it because she was supposed to like blow

1:21:02

him and spit calm down, and

1:21:05

he is making her He's

1:21:09

making her throw up and she's like you gotta

1:21:11

stop, like I'm I'm driving, you don't have anything to even

1:21:13

throw up, and she's just like spit. He's like, here's a bowl.

1:21:15

We'll edit it out and she looks me

1:21:17

and Swart crying. I was like, I'm out, Like I think

1:21:19

if you want to ride, I'll get to that. We're

1:21:22

the fucking aust to clamp out of your ass. Yeah,

1:21:28

yeah, Like I was like this, no, this

1:21:30

is not safe, and like she's sick and you're

1:21:32

using the wrong utensil and this is not worth the amount

1:21:34

of money that you're gonna give me. Had to fight for my kill

1:21:37

fee even because if something like that happens, they

1:21:39

still have to pay your kill fee, which just like two

1:21:41

hunter Bucks had to fight for that forever. And course

1:21:43

I got like an earful for getting another girl

1:21:45

from another agency to walk off set. I was like,

1:21:48

she took her straight to a restaurant. You can't

1:21:50

do anything right. Yeah, you couldn't

1:21:52

do anything right the things you were doing so

1:21:54

well it was for the safety of you and your

1:21:56

co start like really unsafe. Yeah, and any

1:21:58

like anal ripping. If you're working with someone the next

1:22:01

day, you're more susceptible to an STD. So if

1:22:03

you're an unprotected sex over and over and over,

1:22:05

it's like, why are you doing

1:22:07

this? You're making this worse for unemploy everybody.

1:22:10

Yeah, yeah, I

1:22:12

tell Okay, do

1:22:15

you know anybody with that. I'm like, I don't want to always need

1:22:17

a bad thing. I'm like, this is the truth, but any jobs.

1:22:19

But if it's true, yeah, I know, it seems honestly,

1:22:21

it seems like a lot of like normal complaints

1:22:23

that you would anyone would have a bit of railer job. So it kind of

1:22:25

in a way, it's good to kind of like normalizes. It's

1:22:28

like, well, porn has its ups and downs, just

1:22:30

like any career that you would choose. Oh

1:22:33

yeah, you're trying to be a comic, or 're

1:22:35

trying to be an actress, especially if you're a girl.

1:22:37

You get fucking through through the

1:22:40

all the your and ugly so that you'll do what

1:22:42

I want throwing at you, yeah, all the fucking

1:22:44

time. And you

1:22:46

would think porn would be like not that

1:22:49

we're ye good

1:22:52

job banging, you know, yeah, yeah,

1:22:55

I look great out there. Do you know do

1:22:57

you have friends or no people that are actively

1:22:59

in the porn industry that genuinely love

1:23:01

it? Um? Yeah, my

1:23:03

one girlfriend then I still talked to you. That's still

1:23:06

an adult. Like when I quit, you know it, I

1:23:09

just walked away from all of it. You know, there wasn't a lot of

1:23:11

strong relationships. There was like one girl

1:23:13

who wasn't porn, but it is no longer porn.

1:23:16

And I actually have two girlfriends that are no longer

1:23:18

porn and quit before me, and that

1:23:20

that I talked to them. But it's like a

1:23:22

weird environment to like crossover

1:23:25

and have people understand when you had a bad time and they're having

1:23:27

a great time, right because

1:23:29

she she's having a great time. You know, she's making

1:23:31

thirty grand for like a gangbang scene

1:23:33

because she's waited so long. But now it's

1:23:35

like, but this is going to be the end. Yeah,

1:23:37

she's up to the top. So it's got to go more extreme

1:23:40

or be over. I feel you Where does

1:23:42

it ever end well for a woman who has

1:23:44

a career in porn? Like, does it ever end

1:23:46

on a positive note? Have you ever heard of

1:23:49

that happening because it feels like the Lovelace died in a

1:23:51

trailer park. It sounds like and not

1:23:53

that long ago, like ten years ago. Yeah,

1:23:55

so I don't I don't know, you know, for men, there

1:23:57

are definitely like you know that after Porn end. So

1:23:59

I Cory is really great and it's a really good documentary,

1:24:02

but the men have a totally easier time about it. They

1:24:04

can move on, and girlfriends and wives are like, when

1:24:07

you're young, we were ports, I just tell you, and

1:24:09

it's so crazy, but girls like you were such

1:24:11

a whrr right now all those days old news. Yeah,

1:24:13

yeah, we'll have a someone like Jenna Jamieson. I mean,

1:24:16

obviously she's back. Imporn's they always

1:24:18

doing, so they come back. Yeah, but

1:24:20

it's but it's like yeah, because it's kind of like she's

1:24:24

and also she's just so known for that. It's

1:24:26

like Jennet Jamison is not gonna do anything else.

1:24:28

No one's in a cast Jenna Jamison as

1:24:30

the leading lady in a Hollywood

1:24:32

film. You know, it's kind of like you

1:24:35

are, you know, Gray

1:24:37

Root and do some you know, cameos

1:24:39

as herself like Nto rush Ship. I don't

1:24:41

know, I mean I think that has to do with her look, though Jenna Jamison

1:24:43

was more like one typically what you think of important

1:24:46

or word. Sasha Gray had this kind of like alt

1:24:48

American. Yeah, exactly like wayfish.

1:24:51

You know, I could be fucking Adrian grand yea kind

1:24:53

of a look. So it doesn't have to do with that. It's

1:24:55

a very based on esthetics

1:24:57

as well. Yeah. Yeah, well

1:25:00

we could talk to you for five more hours

1:25:02

on this, but we have to wrap up. Thank you for being

1:25:04

so open. Is insightful conversation

1:25:07

about important industry. Yeah, and where

1:25:09

can we find your YouTube? What's your YouTube?

1:25:12

You can just go to my homast down dot com. You find

1:25:14

my YouTube, my twitter, everything there. My

1:25:16

twitter is a Misty Dawn everything m

1:25:18

I s t I so Misty

1:25:20

Dawn. We'll put all the links and stuff up on our

1:25:22

page. Thank you so much for thanks you so

1:25:25

much our makeshift department for the

1:25:27

week. Uh and sitting down talking

1:25:29

to we really appropriated. Thank you. Shine

1:25:56

all the clown baby,

1:26:00

why but

1:26:04

when you smile? Oh

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