0:00

You were now checked in to Stand Up

0:02

New York Labs. Oh

0:04

yeah, welcome to Guys

0:06

We Fucked. Guys

0:08

We Guys we Book. I'm

0:11

Christina, I'm Karn. We're sorry about

0:13

last night. Coming to you from Stand

0:15

Up New York lass Guys We Anti

0:18

slut Shaming Podcast. I

0:21

never stopped. Hello,

0:26

ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode

0:28

of Guys We Fucked, the anti slut

0:30

shaming podcast. Yes, we're coming

0:32

to you from New York City stand Up near Clubs.

0:35

I am Karin, I'm Christina. What's

0:38

up? That was really? That was me

0:41

and that was a really

0:43

energetic opening. Well, I wanted to

0:45

talk about something that, uh isn't

0:48

it's really sad? Well, am

0:50

I not? Am I supposed to talk about my thing? First?

0:53

Everybody, I don't wanna cry or I

0:56

don't know. I'm trying not to, but I mean, I know, I think

0:58

I know what you're to talk about. Um

1:00

so yeah, so, uh,

1:05

well it's weird now I feel like it's a weird

1:08

tone. I feel like it's a weird tone. Now. Hey,

1:13

because there's well, because there's the elephant

1:15

in the room of the death of

1:17

a Robin Williams of a

1:19

fellow comedian. So it's like, I feel like there is this

1:21

mentality that one person, you

1:23

know, a member of the family, has died,

1:25

one of the best members

1:28

of the family, and you know, ever,

1:30

a super important member of the family has

1:33

died. You know that that the uncle

1:35

that you like a lot, that you loved so

1:37

much. Yeah, I yeah,

1:40

just going to get into what you're gonna get into. Well,

1:42

so I just wanted to talk about um

1:45

depression a little bit. I I know, we got

1:47

into it the one episode with Darren about I

1:49

touched on it a little bit with my mother, and

1:52

I think when Robin Williams died

1:55

and it got out that he killed himself, everyone

1:57

was shocked. I feel like people maybe

1:59

had an inkling that a depression, but he's you know, so

2:02

people don't kind of think of that when they think of you

2:04

shocked. I was shocked. No,

2:08

for a reason. I'm never shocked when a comedian

2:10

kills themselves. Honestly. Well, here's the

2:12

thing, um, I

2:15

my mother has depression, clinical depression,

2:17

and I feel like a lot of people are quick to diagnose themselves

2:20

with depression. But if you aren't

2:23

close close like best friends or

2:25

a family member, UM

2:27

to someone with clinical depression.

2:30

No one really knows what

2:32

it is or if you know, if you don't have

2:34

it yourself, which I hope no one does. But

2:37

there's a lot of people out there that do with clinical

2:39

depression. You see somebody

2:42

go through the depths

2:45

of hell. They they they wanted,

2:47

all they want to do is die. They're afraid there.

2:51

I don't have depression, which

2:53

is I'm thankful for um.

2:55

But my mother does. And you know, I've seen

2:57

it ever since I was a kid. I didn't really grasp it.

2:59

It was as like, why is mommy sad?

3:01

You know? And she she had so many moments in my life where

3:04

she was She's such a beautiful, energetic,

3:06

happy goofy does weird voices

3:09

like that's who she is. But when the depression

3:11

takes over her, she is she

3:14

is wiped of her person

3:16

of who her personality. And

3:19

you know, people, I

3:21

feel like a lot of I've seen a lot of people posting about

3:23

on Facebook like I have depressure, and I have depressure,

3:26

I have and and and a lot of people do.

3:28

And a lot of people have clinical depression to this point,

3:30

but they don't know there's different levels,

3:33

just like yeah, but I

3:35

feel like when someone has depression

3:37

to the point where, uh,

3:40

it's a disease like what Robin Williams

3:42

had, you can't escape it. And it's one

3:44

of the most horrifying things

3:47

a person could go through. And it's it's so

3:49

interesting because after he died, after

3:51

the news got out that he had killed himself.

3:54

UM, I called my mom because

3:56

I just wanted to. I just wanted to see how

3:58

she was doing, because she's gotten at that point

4:00

a couple of times in her life. And uh, and

4:04

you know, I called her and she didn't answer. I

4:06

called her a couple of times. She always answers her phone.

4:09

Um, and she goes through these bolts. Probably it

4:11

was really frequent when I was a kid, but now it's maybe

4:13

every couple of months, uh to a

4:15

year every year, you know, and it just depends.

4:18

Nothing sets it off specifically. That was

4:20

one of my problems growing up because I thought

4:22

that I had something to do with it, because I had no

4:24

one really explained to me that it was like a disease. You

4:27

know, someone with depression. You're not going to yell

4:29

at a cancer patient to get better and

4:31

try and understand why they have cancer. They just have

4:33

cancer. It's it's what they have. I

4:35

feel like it's similar with depression. There's no nothing

4:38

you can say or do. You just have

4:40

to be empathetic and give that person space. And

4:43

people because people say dumb ship like this is my favorite

4:45

thing that people say. They're like, well, you just need to make

4:47

the choice to be happy. It's not possible.

4:50

And I'm like, so when you cancer,

4:52

you need to make the choice to all your blood

4:54

blood cells to just be fine. And I mean there

4:56

is a this well with that, there is a school of

4:58

like positive thinking and and I get that and

5:01

I understand that, but there's only so much you can

5:03

do, of course, and in your people

5:05

like praying, yeah, and you're trapped

5:07

in your own body. And I realized, my

5:10

you know, I've been trying to get ahold of my mom for a

5:12

few days and she didn't get back to me, and she's,

5:14

uh. I had text my dad

5:16

and my dad was like, um, you know, I

5:18

said his mom, Okay, I've been trying to call her and she's like, yeah, she's

5:21

in a funk. Just don't don't you know, give her space? And incidentally,

5:27

yeah, and so she emailed

5:29

me and just said I'm really sorry. I'm just being absent

5:31

right now. And I I said,

5:33

it's okay, I completely understand. Let me know if

5:35

you need anything. And I actually told her about

5:37

this um blog entry that Chris Getherd,

5:40

who is a well comic in New York, amazing

5:43

comedian UM talks open known

5:46

for talking openly about this depression. He

5:48

posted a blog entry on his

5:51

UM on his blog, I think it's like Chris gethered

5:53

show. Yes, it's the Chris Getherd Show

5:55

dot tumbler dot com. And it was and

5:57

it was titled this is what my disease looks like. This

5:59

is a face of my disease, something to that, and

6:02

he posted a picture of himself in the midst of

6:04

about of depression, and it

6:07

looked exactly like my mother, Like your

6:09

face, it's almost like your face is swollen, your eyes

6:11

are red, you can't even it's it's almost like you're too numb to

6:13

cry. And he really articulated

6:16

what it was like to live

6:18

with this disease so beautifully.

6:20

I really highly recommend all of you go uh

6:23

to that. We can post the link to that post

6:25

on the description. It'll just give

6:27

everybody an insight to what it's really

6:30

like, and my mom was saying, um,

6:33

she we were just talking. I told her about the blog

6:35

entry and she said, yeah, please send me the link. And one of the things

6:37

that she told me was, uh, this is I'm

6:39

just reading from the email she wrote. She said, it robs you

6:41

of all your basic needs of life. I believe it

6:43

is. Um.

6:46

I just I get so sad because I don't want

6:48

to see anybody go through that, a let alone my mother.

6:50

But um, she said, uh,

6:55

it robs you of all the basic needs of life.

6:57

I believe it is the cruelest disease that

7:00

a human being can endure. I loved Problem Williams

7:02

so much, but I totally understand that he reached his threshold.

7:05

One can only endure this torture for so

7:07

long. Hopefully he's in a better place,

7:09

free from his hell on earth. And it's

7:12

just to know, to be so

7:14

close with somebody who all they want to do is die.

7:17

That's such a difficult thing to

7:19

process. But I think reading Chris

7:22

Gatherings blog entry really helped me because

7:24

it's not you know, I

7:26

used to think it was if I was better, if her

7:28

family was better, if she had more money or something. It just

7:30

has nothing to do with that. So the

7:33

main thing I just want to say is I really

7:35

recommend everybody read that blog entry because

7:37

it's the most beautifully articulated way

7:40

to describe what it's like to live with depression.

7:43

And I think that more people should

7:45

have a sense of empathy for people who

7:47

are diagnosed with depression like that. I mean,

7:49

people everyone thinks they're an expert on everything,

7:52

and no one's like, most people are

7:54

not an expert on nothing. Yeah. And then but another

7:56

thing that people with depression exhibit,

7:58

I think is maybe when they're in those baths

8:01

or they're coming in out of them or just going

8:03

into them, they act like not themselves,

8:05

and sometimes they snap, and sometimes they

8:07

just get really angry, or maybe they'll say something mean,

8:10

but it's not them talking.

8:12

I think that's something that a lot of people don't understand.

8:15

So I mean, in a way almost like you know,

8:17

it's like a Jacklin hide. Yeah, yeah, it

8:20

is. You have this other kind of person person

8:22

in you that is representative

8:24

of your disease rather than of yourself. Right,

8:27

it's like a you know, like a demon living inside you. Well

8:29

I think that's you know, people

8:31

don't understand, Like, oh, but

8:34

Robin Williams was so happy and he brought so

8:36

much joint and I'm just like, and I'm like

8:38

that, what are you talking about right now? I'm

8:40

like and then and people have very judgmental

8:43

views of suicide, which has always bothered me.

8:45

If you've ever said or

8:47

heard somebody say suicide is selfish,

8:50

you are an asshole. I it's

8:53

it's in this context

8:56

of someone like rub Williams or someone like my mother.

8:59

You you you in your head, you have

9:02

no other way. You don't. It's not

9:04

like you're thinking of your family or you're thinking of

9:06

all you're not thinking. You're not going to the list

9:08

of prose in your life. That's irrelevant.

9:10

But that's someone who has who has clinical

9:13

depression, that's whatever you want. Who commits

9:15

suicide does not have clinical Yes,

9:17

I agree, but I'm just this

9:20

l suicide is selfish. I think

9:22

it's your If God, please don't commit to

9:24

a second saying this. I have

9:27

a very always had a very strong opinion

9:30

that it's your life and if you

9:32

choose not to want to live it anymore,

9:34

you don't have to. But please

9:37

don't. But that so,

9:39

that's why I don't like the term selfish.

9:42

Per se, because I mean, no

9:44

matter what you think, I

9:46

pretty much guarantee you there is one

9:48

person, at least one person in your life

9:50

who loves you, and you and you

9:53

and you're you. Leaving the planet

9:55

would greatly affect them, probably

9:57

a lot more. Um So,

9:59

that said that, I've said, I've

10:02

gotten into fights with um close

10:04

friends or or boyfriends in the past where they just

10:06

get to the point where their life isn't going well

10:09

and they say they want to kill themselves, and I

10:11

freak the fuck out on

10:13

them. I hate, of course, because you're

10:15

coming from a very personal experience. You're being

10:18

fucking get your life together.

10:21

You have a choice to You do not have clinical

10:23

to These people that I'm talking about do not

10:25

have clinical depression. They don't have I just

10:28

I don't know. I feel like people throw that term around a lot,

10:31

and uh in a

10:33

in a selfish way. Well, like we talked

10:35

about I think last week,

10:38

there's also a difference between between

10:41

actually wanting to kill yourself and then

10:43

and just not wanting to live anymore.

10:46

I mean, life isn't super pleasant

10:48

all the time. I've been curled up in a ball

10:51

before my life and just said, why can't I just die,

10:53

which I could die. But I think most people, I think

10:55

every human being has experienced that because

10:57

oh spoiler alert, life isn't all right.

11:01

Uh, And I mean and I mean there and there's and there's Certainly

11:03

we all go through time periods

11:05

in our life where

11:08

we are in a depression, but

11:10

that is not like a lifetime of

11:13

depression. A lot of this depression is like circumstance

11:15

related circumstances. You know, you lost your job,

11:18

you have a family to support. That's that's devastating,

11:21

that's horrible. And that's one of the reasons why I know

11:23

some people in the news we here so and so commits suicide.

11:25

A lot of it has to do with they lost all this money

11:28

and then they have this huge family and then they don't know how

11:30

to support them, and that it's it's

11:32

a different, it's different. But I

11:35

would just encourage everybody to read that blog

11:37

entry and have some empathy for

11:39

the situation. And Chris Gethard has done a lot of

11:41

work for depression. I mean, even on his public

11:43

access show. He's getting a regular

11:46

television show as well, but I don't know how it's

11:48

coming out, but he's incredible. So I just

11:50

wanted to talk about that because I

11:52

feel like people don't really understand it.

11:54

One of the reasons is because people with depression hide

11:56

it so well because they're embarrassed. Well also

11:58

just in general, people don't understand diseases

12:01

that are mental. You

12:03

know. So Chris was saying in this entry,

12:05

he hit it from his parents because he didn't want to scare

12:07

them, and he was so embarrassed. He he lists all the

12:09

people who knew he had depression up until he started

12:12

talking about it publicly, very very slim

12:14

list of people, significant others, you

12:16

know, a brother, you know what I mean. And

12:18

it's because it's there, it's it's not

12:20

talked about at all, and it seemed that it's

12:23

my mom A was always feel ashamed about it.

12:25

Yeah, because because people, Yeah,

12:28

it's like you're sad and you don't you know, it's almost you

12:30

don't. I would imagine you don't really know

12:32

why you're sad. And I wish there was a

12:34

way. I think if we all talk

12:37

about it a lot, like what Chris is doing,

12:39

and you know, and just speak out about

12:41

it, maybe that, um,

12:44

that embarrassment will go away. I

12:46

don't know. I mean, I'm hoping I would hope one day,

12:48

but staring behind the podcast talk

12:51

about it, and then it's and we

12:53

can accept it and this is what it is, and

12:55

we're not going to try and cheer people up who have

12:57

clinical depression because it's different. It's it's a

12:59

different them all. Well, that's why I kind of love,

13:01

like, you know, when something happens to us celebrity

13:04

and everyone tries to like pull the rug

13:06

out from under them and be like, oh my god, did you do this,

13:08

and then they just come out and say, yeah, I did that,

13:10

because it's like, once you admit it, there's no one

13:12

can really like if you own your

13:15

decisions. Yeah, no one can give you ship because

13:17

you're being honest. Like what do you gonna say, oh,

13:19

yeah, I did do that, and then you just all

13:21

agree and then it's boring. Yeah. I almost

13:23

wished like politicians would do that when they were caught

13:25

in a sex scandal, like Anthony Weiner with his dick pick if

13:29

he I get it too, if he if he came on

13:31

the like on the microphone and was like, yeah,

13:34

I sent somebody a picture of my penis we were sexty

13:36

or accidentally tweeted it. That was a dumb move. But you

13:39

know, sending a picture of penis,

13:42

Yeah, that's like an older person problems,

13:44

but that's a different situation.

13:46

But the sending a picture of your dick is

13:49

not a bad thing to be ashamed of. I guess

13:52

the marriage thing, the cheating and all that stuff

13:55

factors in. But I don't know you. I don't know your personal

13:57

life. I don't know where you have agreements with

13:59

your spouse. I don't know any of that. Shoff and

14:01

people love to assume the

14:03

worst and they paint him as a as

14:05

a shitty guy. And also what you

14:07

do with your dick has no bearing

14:10

on how you are, how you

14:12

work in government. I don't think. I mean,

14:14

I know there's a perfect people

14:16

could be like, well, if they're deceitful to their

14:18

spouse, they must be lying to us.

14:21

No, don't you're not that important.

14:23

Yeah, it's you're just not the calm

14:25

down everyone needs to come down about everything. Well.

14:27

Also, I don't know, everyone just really likes the pinpoint

14:30

on like one thing that like one bad thing that

14:32

someone did during their lives. Like even

14:34

like I was telling you with the Robin Williams, like

14:37

apparently Jim Jefferies said that one time

14:39

he did something quote rape and

14:41

uh he like pushed two girls like heads

14:43

together to make them make out at a show or something number

14:45

one like as I said, I saw Dane Cook do the same

14:47

thing at a show. Whatever. It didn't like

14:50

make me like think greater of Dane Cook. But

14:52

you know, but whatever, if he Dane Cook died,

14:54

I wouldn't be like, remember that time we were at

14:56

a show and he pushed two girls heads together, Like

14:58

we've all done shipped that we're not proud of. I

15:00

don't think that your entire existence should

15:03

be judged off one incident

15:05

in your lifetime, because then we're all fucked. Yeah.

15:07

I mean if you think even that's not even like

15:09

the if you think of like the worst thing you've ever done, if people

15:11

just remember you from that, like we're all pieces

15:13

of ship. Everyone's a piece of shit. Yeah

15:17

everyone else, that's for sure. Happy

15:21

Friday, everyone, Happy Friday fuckers.

15:24

All right, let's res all emails.

15:28

That's going to be real exciting, Yeah, because this interview

15:30

I'm fun. I'm excited for I guess I want to get um

15:33

and sure you start. I do want to shout

15:35

out you you Twitter

15:37

messaged me the Nightlife, Crown, Underscore,

15:39

Insomniac. You asked

15:42

me to shout you out, but um, I don't see

15:44

your name, so that it's gonna

15:46

be hard. But hey, thanks for listening.

15:49

You said you're a sucker for life, and I appreciate

15:51

that. So this first letter

15:53

that we have is from Danielle. It

15:55

says, heyy, First off, love the podcast

15:58

girls. It's blunt in a great way and

16:00

unapologetically honest. Both of you are awesome.

16:02

I wanted advice from you if possible. I'm

16:04

twenty six, work hard, stittying to

16:06

be an r N, never cheated. I know I'm

16:08

not perfect, but what happened to me needs some sort

16:11

of logical explanation. Hope you can help.

16:13

I was recently left from my girlfriend

16:16

of two and a half years. We were really, really close.

16:18

We did everything together. We

16:20

were each other's best friend, openly

16:22

admitted had the puppy,

16:24

uh met both sides of each other's families,

16:27

traveled, and it all just stopped. We

16:29

went to San Franz spent an awesome weekend

16:32

together. I had no

16:34

idea that when we would

16:36

get back, she would message me on Facebook

16:38

of all things that she has quote done

16:40

and can't picture her future with me

16:43

in it. Goodbye. I couldn't believe

16:45

it. I wrote her back on my phone, asking to

16:47

get an answer, but meanly to call me. But

16:50

after one hour of getting no explanations

16:52

from her, I was blocked, then blocked

16:54

from calling, texting, always of communicating.

16:56

It's been five weeks. I have all

16:58

of her things, she has him of mine. What the

17:00

hell? I haven't heard anything. She wasn't

17:03

the type of girl who I would

17:05

have ever expected to end like that. I'm

17:07

moving on, but it was such a blind side

17:09

that I sometimes feel like I need to talk to her

17:12

and remember, Oh yeah, I can't. Like literally,

17:14

it is impossible. She told

17:16

me there was quote no one else before she

17:18

threw me away. Anyway, I'm looking

17:20

for an unbiased female perspective for

17:23

why any girl would do this to someone

17:25

they had told the night prior I love you after

17:28

having sex on a San Francisco

17:30

getaway. What should I do? Thanks?

17:32

If you read this, I can't help this figure

17:34

this one out. Thank you too, or fucking awesome

17:36

keep it up number one. Thanks for writing.

17:39

Okay, So I definitely

17:42

understand what it's like to be blindsided.

17:45

Uh. I was definitely blindside with my

17:47

breakup. Um,

17:49

it sucks, don't feel

17:52

good. Yeah, it's the worst that

17:54

I've never been blind something like that. And I've

17:56

never thought of blind siding anybody because usually

17:58

when you break up with somebody special off you two gonna have years.

18:00

You can kind of tell it's going to happen. You

18:03

sense it. Well. My ex always likes to say

18:05

that, like, you know, we weren't getting along whatever. I'm just the person

18:07

who fights in relationships. I always do. I get

18:09

bored if I don't. Um, that's my thing. Um.

18:13

But uh, and we had been you know how,

18:15

but it wasn't anything that I didn't think we could work

18:17

past. This seems even more like a blindside,

18:19

like everything was like kind of going fairy

18:21

tale. Like number one, I'm a

18:24

pessimist, so if anything's going too well on like

18:26

something's wrong here. Um,

18:28

I don't know. I don't have a personal experience

18:31

that I compare compare this to. But I do know

18:33

someone pretty well who was

18:35

dating a guy for a year. She

18:39

um Asian American. I don't know if that I

18:41

think it kind of actually doesn't thing to do with it. Um.

18:44

She very smart, beautiful woman. She

18:47

brought her boyfriend of winning yard to visit her

18:49

parents. Um, they had

18:51

dinner or whatever. Uh, and then she

18:53

didn't hear from him. She just dropped

18:55

off the face of the earth for

18:58

almost a year. What live

19:00

in the city too, Um, I'm not sure. I'm

19:02

guessing. So if they were dating, she I don't think she was

19:04

dating. It was a long distance. Um. Yeah,

19:06

drops off and then a year later comes

19:10

back into her life and was like, I'm so

19:12

sorry. I just and and offered

19:15

no explanation other

19:17

than I'm sorry some things were going

19:19

on to me. That's completely inexcusable.

19:22

I don't, absolutely, I don't. Unless unless

19:24

you were sold into sex slavery

19:27

in Morocco and there's a guy with a gun

19:29

to your head saying don't tell anybody about

19:32

this. It doesn't make no I

19:34

there's no I mean, were you in the witness

19:36

protection program. There's really very

19:38

aside from like crazy

19:41

mafia esque type scenarios.

19:44

I can't think of a reason why this is

19:46

OK. And I know people think they have these

19:48

huge problems and they need to hide away and you

19:50

couldn't possibly understand. Well, Number

19:52

one, if that's the reason why you don't need

19:54

to be with her, anyway, because couples, you should be able to

19:56

understand things. Uh,

19:59

I know it hurts, and I know you want

20:01

an explanation. In some cases you just

20:04

don't get one. YEA, life isn't always

20:06

that fair. It's the same thing as like if your relative

20:09

like dies and you never find

20:11

the body, because I never understood that mentality

20:13

of like we need to find the body, like when you very

20:15

well know someone is dead. And my mom was like trying

20:17

to explain to me, She's like, well, it's like closure because

20:20

you see it and it's definite. Yeah,

20:22

I would want that. I mean, I wouldn't want that closure that's

20:24

going to help in the healing process. But we

20:27

can't. You don't get that. You can't wait around

20:29

waiting for this person who acted completely

20:31

irrationally to do that. And

20:33

so I mean, there's no there's there's

20:36

we're not gonna say anything that's gonna help, and we're

20:38

gonna say the same thing that everyone says, which is time

20:40

will heal, and like it's gonna take probably

20:42

a really long time if you really loved this person,

20:44

like maybe a year, Like my breakup took

20:46

a solid year for me to

20:49

recover from when and you dated

20:51

that because that feeling that I hate the most

20:53

is when you break up with somebody after a long term relationship

20:55

and you're like, they're not the person I thought they were feeling

20:59

again work because you were dating a stranger.

21:01

Yeah, that's what that sounds

21:03

like. If you didn't see that coming, you

21:06

were dating somebody who put on

21:08

the front. What I will say is

21:10

more importantly, obviously you need you just need

21:13

time to get over it and you'll meet somebody better.

21:16

Uh. But the main thing that I would

21:18

be wary of is if this person tries to come

21:20

back into your life, don't allow it. Um.

21:23

I think that's the thing that it's gonna be most

21:26

Yeah, there's really, honestly

21:29

very few explanations that would

21:31

be okay in this situation.

21:34

You're fucking twenty six years old. You're too old for

21:36

that bullshit. I mean a a fourteen year old is too

21:38

old for that bullshit. Uh. And I'm

21:40

really sorry, and I wish I had something

21:43

better, um to tell you, but there

21:45

just is no better answer. Yeah.

21:47

And it's one of those things where you should

21:49

try everything in your power if she contacts

21:51

you to not to not give her the

21:53

courtesy of responding like do that.

21:56

I've I've always been to the point sometimes where

21:58

I have to give my friend my phone. It's

22:00

bad, like it's very childish and immature, but

22:02

I can't have my phone. Or sometimes

22:04

I'll elite somebody's number, but I'll write it down on

22:06

a piece of note of paper and like hide it under my mattress

22:09

or somewhere. Deleting my excess number was the best thing I

22:11

ever did, for it's freeing. Yeah.

22:13

Yeah, So I want to read one. I'll read

22:15

Mamar. This is from a lovely

22:17

lady named Ariel. I'm twenty eight

22:19

year old chick who is pretty content. But this whole

22:22

childless woman thing, I hate that term,

22:24

by the way, is if I can't just be a woman, but I have to

22:26

be a mother or a childless woman. I

22:28

never regard myself in terms of having or

22:30

not having kids. I'm just a goddamn person.

22:33

I know a lot people. Apparently

22:36

it drives me nuts, so nuts. In fact, I

22:38

almost decked my sixty plus year

22:40

old aunt one Boozy Holliday

22:42

after her long drawn out nagging why

22:44

can't you just have kids? I'll pish, posh,

22:47

you'll change your mind, just like by Tracy did.

22:49

I hope that was an accurate impression of your Uh.

22:51

This one on for quite some time. Let me tell you

22:53

my mother eventually made me leave the room when

22:55

she saw how red with rage I became.

22:58

Now, I know I shouldn't let it get to me as much

23:00

as it does. I'm secure in my

23:02

truth that I will never want children, So why

23:04

does it enrage me? That's uh so

23:06

fucking much when people, especially other women,

23:09

cannot let it go that I don't want kids.

23:11

I'd like to make it clear that I never bring

23:13

this fact up first. Bitches have a way

23:16

of coaxing you into their conversations.

23:18

I often just lie in fact, oh

23:21

not just just not ready. Maybe I'll have one one day

23:23

to avoid the argument. But why should I have to do

23:25

that. I should be and am fucking

23:27

proud that I know I don't want kids, that

23:29

I know I'd never ever want to take care,

23:32

raise or have to worry about it for the rest of

23:34

my life. I guess my question is, how

23:36

can we childless women calmly

23:38

react to these people? Honestly? Is there

23:40

even away? I wouldn't be so mad, It

23:43

wouldn't be so bad if they asked, then accepted

23:45

your answer and moved on from whatever their beliefs.

23:47

Maybe, but most folks I know push and

23:49

push until the word read drum

23:52

rum red

23:59

room. That's scary. Don't let

24:01

a kid see you like that girl suddenly carves

24:03

itself into your skin. Infuriating only

24:05

half describes it. How many more holiday buzzes

24:08

must be destroyed by these people? Oh jeez,

24:10

I'm so sorry that you have. I hate people

24:13

that think they know what you want.

24:16

That's the that's why it's infuriating. Well,

24:19

and also people who have thinking they have found

24:21

the the answer, and it's like, what, okay,

24:23

so do you want Do you want me to have kids?

24:25

I don't want them? And then I'm gonna be like

24:27

this awkward, horrible like parent

24:30

that doesn't give a funk that I'm bitter about my Like, what

24:33

really play this out? I don't want children,

24:35

I don't want to be a mother. What don't you sucking

24:37

under? That would have theoriate the ship out of me. I

24:40

always have this theory that when people push

24:42

things on yourself, like marriage or children from

24:44

them, they're secretly unhappy with the choices

24:47

they've made it, but they think that they made the choice

24:49

because it's the social norm, and they want you to follow

24:51

the social norm because I think

24:53

it kind of secretly enrages

24:56

some married or people or people

24:58

with children that there are some of us out

25:00

there just living free, living

25:03

wild, like it's some sort of

25:05

like we've somehow deceived

25:08

the rest of the pack by not pro creating

25:11

or choosing one person to be with, that

25:13

we might have sex with many

25:15

people and have this kind of like interesting

25:17

bohemian lifestyle. It's a new concept

25:20

though. I think people women growing up and

25:22

be like, I don't really want care. I have always been women

25:24

like that, but I think they were. I

25:27

think they were, you know, super shunned. Um.

25:29

And I mean we're still being shunned, but in a you

25:31

know, in a less aggressive way.

25:35

Also, you're only twenty eight,

25:38

which I am also twenty eight, So that's

25:41

ridiculous that people are

25:43

pressuring you. I mean this in this day and age,

25:46

that's simply not I mean,

25:48

most people are not getting married or having kids,

25:51

you know, depending on your lifestyle until your thirties.

25:53

It certainly asked to be live in the city. No one, no

25:55

one is sucking having kids now. I mean, I think

25:57

the main thing is whenever someone gets like aggressive

26:00

of lee pushing the subject on you. It's

26:02

clearly coming from something within that person.

26:05

So that's that's something to think

26:07

of to not take it so personally, because

26:09

that is one of the most personal decisions you could ever

26:11

make in your life, whether to procreate or not. Either

26:13

do or you don't, and if you don't do not

26:16

procreate. Like it's people shouldn't

26:18

be asking your questions about

26:20

penises going into your vagina. I mean, why don't

26:22

you ask her and when's the last time you had anal It's

26:24

just say it's when's the last time

26:26

someone hr pussy out? Yeah, it's just such an

26:28

inappropriate question. Like the other day I was

26:30

on I was waiting for the bus and a

26:33

stranger come up, came up to this family and it was like, Oh, you're

26:35

gonna have any more any

26:37

of your fucking business. What

26:39

I don't understand what gives people the fucking

26:43

balls to ask these things? On

26:45

this, I agree with you that

26:47

I don't think you should have to lie. You don't have to make

26:49

excuses that you're not ready. Just be like,

26:52

that's not I that's not something that

26:54

is important to me in my life.

26:56

That's not what I want to do. I want to live a different

26:58

life. Or you could also take more aggressive approach

27:01

when they ask you again and be like this, did I start?

27:03

Did I fucking stot a bit? Thought

27:07

a bit? Maybe play some clips

27:09

from like some scar

27:12

scar fucking start a bit, Christina

27:16

Hutch and some gentlemen, so you can tell

27:18

me if I fucking started, Auntie. Anyway,

27:21

we should bring on our guess. You know, we should bring on our

27:23

guests. He's a fun he's

27:25

texting me if he can go out for a smoke and

27:28

no, and he's very impatient. Oh gosh,

27:30

alright, So the type of man I like,

27:32

do you want to bring get a little background. Yeah,

27:35

so this week's guest. His name is Isaac.

27:37

He's a man about town. I have a

27:39

few types of men, uh that

27:41

I like and this,

27:44

uh, this guess is you know, the

27:46

producer business entertainment,

27:49

a jew. He's a behind the scenes guy. I

27:51

know exactly. If I didn't know him, I know him

27:53

now. Yeah. This is one h this is one of my types

27:55

guys. Uh. So let's bring

27:58

on Isaac. M

28:23

So we're back with our guests. Eyes that

28:26

he hidin. I'm pretty good, Hi, Christina,

28:28

talk to them, act like the mike is a penis and

28:30

almost touch up? Are

28:33

you? Are you leave your head down like that? No?

28:36

We I don't like it like that. W K

28:38

G B. I don't really

28:41

know how you like it. Apparently

28:43

you do. I

28:45

don't. We'll get intoday. So

28:48

you're in love with Corinth. Well that's

28:51

no, that's not exactly great

28:53

opener. Christie then explain from

28:56

that sentence on. I

28:58

think christ just had a briefing on

29:01

you. This is not just like. That's

29:03

why I was like, oh God, do I have to sit out there? Because

29:05

God knows what the bad? You know, we were talking about

29:07

Robin Williams. Yes, here's the thing. I

29:10

adopted Karin a long time ago. So

29:13

you're incestral in love with like

29:15

and then I love eating your

29:18

children? Would

29:21

you? Would you up until

29:23

the incident? Let's call it for the incident.

29:26

Ain't no way to talk about you, pussy the event,

29:29

the event, if

29:32

the zombie apocalypse? What

29:34

you say, how would you have defined

29:36

our relationship? Um,

29:39

you're like, uh, like

29:42

a like an older brother, perhaps more

29:44

like a dad, well

29:47

like someone else's dad. No,

29:49

no, like, so let's see, Oh yeah that like

29:51

someone else's dad. This is a point I want

29:53

to bring up because it reminds you of you too. There is

29:55

a level of interest in another human

29:57

being that is between friendship love

30:00

and romantic love. It's not quite either,

30:02

but it's a mixture of both. And I feel like that's

30:04

what's going on. I had that like with basically everybody

30:07

I know. Yeah, like I it's like a it's like this little

30:09

bit, but with you more Isaac, other

30:12

factors of play. Like let's go back, let's

30:14

start at the beginning. When

30:17

I first met Karin, she

30:19

had a very serious boyfriend who I was friendly

30:22

with. Right, yes, so at that point, you kind

30:24

of as a as a good person.

30:26

I didn't don't name names, but names it's

30:29

a good person. You don't think that's not something

30:31

that you like. You don't pursue

30:33

that, right because that's like you respect the

30:35

fact that person, especially if you're friends

30:37

with the person that they're with, you exactly

30:40

ink, well that someone else already has sitting

30:42

on their desk, now, uh yeah,

30:44

right, you

30:49

compartmentalize, right, So you become friends with

30:51

that person and you kind of even

30:53

though I think I think there's always sex and you eventually

30:55

need like a larger storage unit for that compartment.

30:59

Well only if only if you surround yourself with

31:01

with more girls that you're friends with, meaning

31:04

if you only have like one or two going at a time

31:06

that you're like friends with, that you're attracted to, that you might want

31:08

to sleep with. This is just

31:10

one person. And also romantically,

31:13

I'm like, I'm not a guy who

31:16

I'm not a real chaser, Like

31:18

I'll be like, hi, how are you, like

31:21

once every six months and see what comes of it,

31:23

But I'm not gonna, like, I don't run after people like

31:25

I really don't. Karen and I

31:28

like we would bump into each other a lot,

31:30

and we would text back and forth a lot,

31:33

and I think there was like a mutual

31:35

appreciation tweets. I think it's like a mutual appreciation,

31:39

but the things I meant that's the mutual

31:41

appreciation thing, though, is it's unique though, to someone

31:43

you kind of have. I think I would say

31:45

another a word, which is adoration.

31:48

But you know, well yeah, I know, but I tend

31:50

to put the in a pedalstal you know. They's like

31:52

like tactic. Yeah,

31:55

it's not even a tactic. It's like I like to it's

31:58

it's a it's a lost art and it's not an art that guys

32:00

usually do when they're trying to sleep with that

32:04

art though, But what you do respectful

32:06

and that sexy. You like the art,

32:08

but at the same time, like, you're not gonna

32:10

go home and fund a guy at a party who's like treating

32:13

you like a princess. That's not how it works for most

32:15

women. I don't think so.

32:17

So I don't like relationship

32:20

wise, I don't really look for the

32:23

quick fuck because ultimately I

32:25

don't really go out a lot like I go like

32:27

I'll go to a comedy show, or I'll go out with like a

32:29

friend one on one that I'm kind of like interested in talking

32:31

to, or like the magnificent

32:35

beautiful event that we're about to discuss

32:38

someone will it's like

32:42

to recover

32:45

from calling it the incident for you first laid

32:47

eyes on Grin Fisher at the

32:49

UCB Theater. What went

32:51

through your head upon looking at this beauty?

32:54

Okay, so the first thing that I thought to myself was,

32:56

um no, that's not true

32:59

because the saying that I thought to myself,

33:02

well, I would never say it, but um but

33:05

I would never say but but the

33:08

first thing that I saw was I saw Karan by

33:10

mistake in a show

33:12

that she was putting up with her gay best

33:14

friend that was like a two person show, tell me

33:16

who was on an earlier episode and right,

33:19

And so I'd gone to see the show that was

33:21

on the same bill as that show. But then I was like,

33:24

you know, as somebody who's like doing comedy writing and

33:26

stuff in New York, You're like, you want to stick around and see what's going on.

33:28

Every girl who's mildly attractive

33:30

and Krane is world track, but every girl who

33:32

was like every girl who was like sexy

33:35

sexy to you. If you can

33:37

find a girl who does comedy that's also

33:39

sexy, that's like a fucking unicorn.

33:43

So so instantly you're like, oh my god,

33:45

I'm in love with this person because you're like, I'm

33:47

never going to meet anyone else that

33:50

I have that much in common with because silverman

33:52

syndrome exactly. Now, having

33:55

said that, um,

33:57

most of the time those people

33:59

are walking insane because you

34:02

know, the comedian that you think they've picked

34:04

a profession that is in no way lucrative,

34:07

that makes them put themselves out there completely.

34:09

We're just passionate people, exactly.

34:12

Well, yeah,

34:14

we're not none of us are a I think we all have our

34:16

crosses to bear, you know, um,

34:18

And so it's just louder about it the most professions

34:21

because no one is well well yeah, most people.

34:23

Doctors don't get up and talk about their anxiety. Most

34:25

people don't. Yeah, most people don't make a living

34:27

saying you know, these are my insecurities,

34:30

these are my deepest sort of fears. This is what I want to

34:32

do sexually. Another part like, most people don't

34:34

host a podcast where they where they interview people

34:36

that did what do you mean not

34:38

comment all

34:41

of these things in mind your first thought, which

34:43

is my thought, And every other guy in

34:45

a comedy theater who does comedy writing for a

34:47

living, it's like, oh my god, there's a girl that I could

34:50

actually sleep with who's also in comedy. Wow.

34:53

Now cut to like, how

34:55

many times have you rehearsed this in your mirror? Isaac?

34:58

You're very good talker. Paying me

35:00

a picture that I love well, I

35:03

said, you know, professional a long time

35:06

ago. So so while this

35:08

is happening, I have a relationship with

35:10

you know, some comedy stuff in the city and

35:13

the club that we're recording in now, and

35:15

everything that I can possibly do. I become

35:17

friendly with Karin, and any time

35:19

an opportunity comes up for me to be

35:21

helpful, I'm always there. But it's

35:23

not just Karan. It's a lot of people because I kind

35:25

of dig like that's helping I not

35:28

just girls or girls guys to like,

35:30

in fact, you could talk to Yeah,

35:32

now you can talk to a lot of guys that I've gone down

35:34

and they'll tell you the same exact thing. You know, I'm just kidding,

35:36

Okay, So just like helping people out

35:38

well because I feel so. It's not it's

35:41

not that selfless because on some level

35:43

you do it because you think it's going to come back around. Anyone

35:46

does anything that's not completely true.

35:49

You don't think I want to Africa to help build houses.

35:51

I'm gonna fucking instagram that ship, so everybody

35:53

knows. That's how good I am. Anything that anyone

35:55

ever did not to get anything in return, no

35:57

one knows about exactly right, if you're

35:59

a loud about it, Yeah, well, you

36:01

know, it's part of the joy of helping. Now,

36:05

then I go see her show, and then randomly

36:09

I see her at her ex boyfriend's

36:11

show. It's a Saturday night. Who

36:14

at the time was my boyfriend and

36:16

it's like one am and

36:18

uh, it's like a late show and she's sitting in the audience

36:21

by herself, and she's looking good,

36:23

and I'm like, holy sh it, there's that girl from the other thing

36:25

and she looks really good. I was like wow,

36:27

and she's here by herself. Clearly,

36:30

I was like, I don't get out much. This is an

36:32

opportunity. And so then as soon as

36:34

the show ends, I'm talking to another friend of mine. They're like, oh,

36:36

by the way, she's going out with this guy like

36:39

that. Everyone was like talking about me like I was like,

36:41

well know, when you ask girl,

36:44

it's a bunch of comedy dudes sitting around

36:46

a show and they're like, hey, by the way, did you see

36:48

the one attractive girl that was in the theater? And

36:50

everybody else is like yeah, yeah, yeah, I

36:53

think god, I think god. Everyone was talking about

36:55

how hot Crow was when I was like being one other

36:57

dude. But but but it

36:59

was a cute And

37:02

I have to say, Karin has been

37:04

with far worse looking men than me. I

37:07

have to toot my own horn. There. The

37:09

dude who was on the podcast two weeks ago. I looked him

37:11

up I'm going to have to do research. I don't

37:13

remember whose own. Oh I think I know talking anyway,

37:17

So uh so now

37:20

I'm like, okay, so now I have this sort of

37:22

this this is not a conundrum, but sort of like I

37:24

just file it away as Okay, so

37:26

she's going out with a friend of mine. Great, okay,

37:28

great, it's a little it's a bummer. But you're like, I need

37:31

to do accordingly. And then because

37:33

you know what, like, personally, I

37:35

wouldn't want my girlfriend fucking

37:37

another guy, so I feel like you wouldn't proper

37:41

etiquette. Also, you just want to be

37:43

respectful of that relationship

37:45

because I feel like, you know, a lot of women

37:47

the whole thing of like I shouldn't have to if a guy's hitting on

37:49

me, I shouldn't have to tell them. The one excuse that

37:51

always works is I have a boyfriend, because then they

37:53

just respect the boyfriend and not me. Like

37:56

there's that whole. But then there's another Well, there's

37:58

another awful school, which is like you

38:00

know, I find more often than not that

38:03

you go out with a girl and then you share

38:05

all your friends, But the majority of the friends

38:07

that the girl comes away with are the guy's

38:09

friends from the beginning of the relationship, and then everybody

38:12

wants to jump out a window, mostly the guy. But

38:14

yeah, okay, so so later

38:17

I get involved with a comedy club and

38:20

and I start bumping into Karen places,

38:22

and we become better and better friends. Like

38:24

we're just being mutually supportive and all that.

38:27

And I never made any moves

38:29

other than like just being like, hey,

38:31

you live above a thousand street and

38:34

I live like forty blocks earlier. So

38:36

if I'm taking a cab home, I'll give you a ride.

38:38

Yeah, you're just a man. And also

38:41

it's you have this ability to like you're

38:43

willingness to help people out. It does come across as

38:45

completely genuine, like she never

38:47

got creeped out. But there's a lot of guys do that, and

38:49

you're like, you know, all they're literally

38:52

they might as well be yelling I'm doing it because I

38:54

want pussy. They might as well be yelling at

38:56

But with you, you're you're a genuinely good person.

38:58

Exact precisely,

39:01

you really hit it. They're definitely not

39:03

a genuinely good person. They're far better people

39:05

than most of us. But um,

39:08

but you know, if there's a girl who's

39:10

a tract of course.

39:13

Or if there's like a guy who who whose

39:15

talent I respect um, I'll

39:17

hook him up because I'm like, wow, I saw you, nobody

39:19

knows about you, You're awesome. Let me let me hook you up

39:21

with whatevers like this. And then you have kind of like the

39:23

manager and you. I have the same thing. And it's like

39:25

if you see someone who is so talented

39:27

and they're not getting the kind of representation

39:30

or attention or nursuring

39:33

that they deserve, you can't

39:35

help but want you open some

39:38

doors for them if you have the ability to do so. Right,

39:40

So, so now onto the blissful

39:43

event, the beautiful thing that happened. There was a

39:45

lot of other time in there there was,

39:47

which is my point is I never really made a direct

39:50

advance. Didn't, but I will say I mean my

39:52

ex did tell did used

39:54

to always say that you wanted to funk me, and

39:56

but he was also a jealous person. He also felt

39:59

like everybody wanted to sunk. One

40:01

time where I tweeted out like a picture

40:03

of like a prop from a sketch show, I was doing

40:06

of like a devil, like I took a baby doll and

40:08

put devil hordes in it. It was for Halloween. We

40:10

were going to have Like I remember this tweet somebody birth

40:12

the Devil on stage, which had nothing to do with

40:14

anything, and I think like Karen had liked it, and then I responded

40:16

on Twitter, and all of a sudden, it was weird, like I

40:19

heard it from somebody. Jealous

40:22

is so insecure, the strangest

40:24

thing ever, because like I get sometimes like

40:26

if I'm at a bar and someone's hitting on my boyfriend.

40:29

I had this mentality of like, if someone's hitting on them, I'm

40:31

gonna be like, bitch, what you doing? But really I get

40:33

why they would hit on him. I am with him, I'm

40:36

dating him, I find him attracted to we

40:38

can both agree it's okay. I also have issues with

40:40

the fact that you call your boyfriend Stephen like his full

40:42

name. Only I

40:45

did start it, didn't you ever, Chill, I can be like, call me

40:47

Steve or Stevie. He just knew

40:49

we had no choice when he met me, and I started calling

40:51

him whenever I wanted to, And now everybody calls

40:53

him Stephen. I didn't. I did

40:56

a guy named Chris and I always called him Christmas. This is

40:58

on me anytime I see someone in a happy, real sationship, I resent

41:00

them because I have a fear of intimacy. That's my problem.

41:04

Well, I don't have a fear of intimacy. I just don't

41:06

believe that true intimacy exists because everyone's

41:08

a ship bag. I think,

41:11

can we get that on a bump? But I

41:13

think, I

41:16

mean, what do we in the week

41:18

two of it existing? No, it's sort

41:20

of me and Steven? No, no, no me? Can

41:23

you just call him Steve once? Just uh

41:26

think of like Steve. I just don't like that name. It makes

41:28

me think of a Stoneer who lives in his parents basement. I don't

41:30

know. I knew. I knew a guy in Amsterdam who sold

41:33

mushrooms and we called him dirty Steve because his name is Steve

41:36

is a clean person. I'm sorry all the Steves

41:38

listening out there. How

41:41

about Steve who Mirans is dated on sex

41:43

in the city. That was a blue collar

41:45

motherfucker and not that anything bad with that, but

41:47

it's like dating

41:50

a Rockefeller. No, I know that, But

41:52

I don't know. I just like the name Steven. Yeah,

41:54

you like what you like. It's a good name. I mean, you

41:56

know, all right? Whatever, So so

41:59

later, because we don't have

42:01

a year to do this show right later, like

42:04

how you're producing the show while right

42:08

um later. That's why I suck at improv because

42:10

I always write everyone's parts on stage and say

42:13

no, no, no no that, and the person to be like and

42:15

yeah. And that's why I went to the monkey school

42:18

and they'd be like no, no, no no no. And

42:20

also I don't get it. I don't crave like drinking

42:22

with random people I barely know until three in the morning

42:24

every single night, which is like an improv yeab

42:27

jab um from Isaac get

42:30

the thing. Um.

42:33

So when was then you dropped your

42:35

phone? Though? Was that before? Afterwards? I

42:37

think that was Actually that was before. I think

42:39

it was before. So I explained

42:42

to you I always I always, just so the listeners

42:44

understand, I always brief Christina and she does the

42:46

same for me, depending on whose guid it is. So she

42:48

gets an email earlier basically like summarizing

42:51

and uh, you know, as as summarizing

42:53

as I can get of the relationship. Uh.

42:55

And there was a night are we gonna because I'm gonna

42:58

call you out on this on the

43:00

I was I think we were drunk texting you want me to do

43:02

you want me to tell it. I wasn't drunk. You were drunk.

43:05

I was in my bedroom. But what did I say?

43:08

Exactly? Tell me because I barely remember, but I

43:10

do remember dropping my phone, because I mean, I

43:12

do remember this pretty clearly because it was

43:14

about me and so positive. But

43:17

she wrote it down. She actually painted on her wall. It's

43:19

really she has a problem. But what I projected

43:22

it and I painted over the projection. Basically,

43:25

what you said was you confess,

43:28

I mean, kind of your love for me. And then you said

43:30

that you don't like to see

43:32

me too often because when you see me, like

43:35

even the feeling of like seeing me makes you so

43:37

nervous because you feel like you were unworthy

43:40

of someone who is is as beautiful

43:42

and wonderful as me. That does

43:45

sound like I would say, I'm sorry, but

43:47

you meant I love how everyone fucking

43:50

gets on this every

43:53

everyone on this

43:55

podcast and any nice

43:57

ship they've ever said to me. They're like, oh, no,

44:00

I was just trying to bone you. Hold

44:02

on, That's not true because I was not just trying to Let's

44:06

let's that does happen

44:08

a lot, especially to me, because I feel like

44:10

if people don't want to give you the satisfaction knowing

44:12

that things genuinely liked you. And I

44:16

did. I did.

44:18

Brother used to sing that every time he got

44:20

something that he wanted from my mom.

44:23

Whatever. He would sing whatever lo

44:25

Hawan, and I thought it was magnificent.

44:27

By the way, my brother is not a

44:31

d queen, super straight.

44:36

You also take a step back and you realize,

44:39

like there's flirtation, which is great, but

44:41

then there's like in a relationship, Karine

44:43

would fucking devour me, Like I wouldn't tell

44:45

people this all the time. It's a disclaim. She would kill

44:47

me. It's this surgeon General's actually,

44:50

anybody's about to ask her to be exclusive.

44:52

She has this she makes him a waiver. Yeah,

44:54

I say, just so you know, if I devour you,

44:56

I am in no way responsible and don't

44:59

try and get your things back and in

45:01

your life. All right, So we're being flirtatious and

45:03

stuff, right, but then it dies down. I think, like

45:05

I think that that was the night I was going to go get a new

45:07

phone anyway, And the thing that sucked was was that

45:09

it was taking too long at this. I don't remember being flirtatious

45:12

with you on text. I think you were reciprocating

45:15

I'm always coy okay.

45:17

So then we make a date to write

45:19

quote unquote right at my apartment. You see, the thing

45:21

is Isaac thinks that that the night of the event,

45:24

I that I was trying to do something.

45:26

I really have full intentions of writing

45:28

that night. Did you think, did you? Honestly,

45:31

I have no no thought whatsoever

45:33

that we were going to hook up. You wanted it,

45:36

of course, Listen, if for girls in your apartment

45:38

and she's interested in you, you're not going to not do it if you're

45:40

trapped to it. But it was always

45:42

that wonderful. But if right, But the compartmentalization

45:45

of Karan is like a person that I'm not going to ever

45:47

really be in a relationship with, a probably hook up with is

45:49

already there, so I'm not and the night begins.

45:52

But You've offered many times to take me away

45:54

and take care of me. But

45:56

it was I mean, are these just things that you're throwing to see

45:58

a fall bite? Are these just little fair was

46:01

more like it's like the end of Boogie

46:03

Nights where Derek comes back to the house

46:05

and Jack gives him a big hug. It

46:08

was kind of like, you know, I think I

46:10

think that I know you relatively

46:12

well, and then I do think that

46:15

at your core you are looking

46:18

for love with someone,

46:20

and I think that a lot of the rest of it,

46:22

like a lot of the banging and the sexual gratification

46:25

stuff, I think is is you

46:27

know, it's partly fun, but I think you're also looking

46:30

for that person. I mean, no, and

46:32

I'm like fucking random people right,

46:34

well, so I didn't think

46:36

anything was going to happen. You come over, right,

46:39

We eat Chinese food. I

46:41

actually had, like I think, I have my laptop out

46:43

on the table, like ready to go. We talked

46:46

for a bit about work a little bit

46:48

because, like I think you said, like the beginning of

46:50

a concept. You complained that we were

46:52

listening to music that I like, and you you

46:54

demanded Kesha, which I then put on.

46:58

Um, she demanded said kesher

47:00

radio station, which I then put on for

47:02

her. That I

47:06

wasn't drunk yet. But it's just like it's a fucking Friday,

47:08

he's I don't I don't need to listen to your weird

47:11

vibe. I put on writing

47:13

music, which I don't want to hear. So you want

47:15

to hear music and you don't want to listen to the sounds

47:17

of the ocean over a box, and

47:19

which, by the way, is not music that I put on when

47:21

I'm trying to sleep with somebody, that's music that I put

47:23

on. Because I didn't think you were trying to funk me. I just thought you were

47:25

trying to bore me to death. Well,

47:28

or or some might say

47:30

create an atmosphere that's conducive to writing

47:32

comedy, and that's just me. My atmosphere

47:34

involves Kesha. All right, Well, we

47:36

were in my apartment, so you that

47:39

is a good point. Dinner did not Kesha?

47:41

Come on, Isaac? Oh, yeah, you were

47:44

like put on Kesha and I was like fine, I

47:46

was like, clear, this is more important to

47:47

you, that's

47:50

not. And

47:52

so at this point I think it's like, you know, we

47:54

were drinking, which is also part of the writing process.

47:57

And then I think at one point Karan was

47:59

like I was a starburst

48:01

and I was like, all right, biggest

48:05

brat when I'm I was starting Okay,

48:08

she was hammered at this part. Please

48:10

please you are I need to

48:12

explain that, I'm still, by the way, not making any more.

48:14

Both really annoying when we're drunk. Oh, totally

48:17

I'm not. I don't think I'm I'm I was.

48:19

I'm not always a brat when I'm drunk. I'm a brat when I'm

48:21

around people that I know I can get what

48:24

I want from right,

48:26

and mind you, I really very

48:29

I don't like. I'm not like a big data like.

48:31

I'm like, you're right,

48:33

I'm a complete reclusion. So I'm not

48:35

like for me, it's like the expectation that

48:38

like J. D. Salinger over

48:40

here, a young, young D. But

48:44

he's never going to forget. He said that he can actually

48:46

put that quote on his next All

48:49

right, now you don't, I'll

48:51

be able to read the sarcas. Also

48:53

didn't tell me how good I look, because I'm

48:56

I'm sorry. Isaac texted me before

48:58

the podcast to say to please on the

49:00

air, how good he looked because he's been working

49:02

out. Well, how good do I look? You look amazing?

49:05

Thank you. That's very sweet of you, guys. You

49:07

didn't have to say seemed genuinely surprised.

49:09

You really didn't have to say that. All right, Okay,

49:11

so now we're listening to we're listening to We're

49:13

listening to Kesha. She's sending a mood. I do like listening

49:16

to Kesha. We had eaten like a token

49:19

Chinese food dinner, which is like this was me. I would

49:21

have tried to take a ship in your toilet, realized it couldn't

49:23

have left. So good for you for the iron class.

49:25

I think you could get it done if you really. It

49:28

doesn't look I don't. I don't know. I'm fine. We

49:30

were fine. It was a light dinner, really a lovely light dinner. Were listening

49:32

to Kesha. Yeah, I was still hungry. Why

49:34

I was complaining that I was Star Wars and

49:36

so then I call, I do what I always do because I'm

49:39

I am the way I am called the dinner downstairs,

49:41

and like, you know, please bring up some Star Wars.

49:43

It's actually across

49:45

the andiver

49:49

deliver whatever you want if you pay. So yeah,

49:52

you like wait like dead

49:55

children. No, I'm not.

49:57

He has enough. Do you have a savings account with money and

49:59

a I do. Yeah,

50:02

I'm not reach by any means, but I had seems

50:05

every night. I don't want to that's the kind of

50:07

I hang with. Let's put it this way.

50:09

I've worked very

50:11

hard for a long time and now you're

50:15

talented, talented human. That's very sweet.

50:18

Thank you. So okay. So now we're

50:20

like three vodka, SODA's in uh,

50:22

she's eating Starburst. We're on the couch, and I think

50:24

I brought up a couple more times, like maybe we should get

50:26

back to the writing that you kept saying, that I

50:29

kept saying, I wasn't a bad I was. I was

50:31

thinking I was a little bit like in a in a funk, and

50:34

um so I just like I did want to write,

50:36

but for me, I have a real hard

50:38

time focusing, right, Okay,

50:40

So you were unfocused and we were hanging and if I just

50:42

don't have it, I just don't have you. And I kept saying, like, you

50:45

know, let's do the thing. Let's right, you know. And

50:47

so then Karin gets up and

50:50

she lays down in my bed and she says,

50:52

we were w wait when we watched Bread City. Before

50:54

that we did, we watched a few episodes of Broad Sun. And

50:56

then she lays down and it's not even that late at this point,

50:58

it's probably maybe and Crane

51:01

lays down in my bed and she says, I'm

51:03

still in my living room area. By the way, So I was going to

51:05

say, you guys were in the living room. It's like

51:07

a big studio studio.

51:09

So it wasn't crazy that I went to his bed

51:13

because I'm like, did you just go down the hall to his like

51:16

and feel you're drunk and you get tired? Right?

51:18

So she's in my bed and she goes, wow, this is a

51:20

really comfortable bed there. I'm sitting on

51:22

the couch, and I'm like, I said it innocently, but

51:24

you know, this is a really comfortable

51:27

bed. That was well, it wasn't.

51:29

I don't know. I wasn't you supposed to do in that situation.

51:31

I'm like, all right, so and

51:33

then also like so

51:36

so so logically speaking again into

51:38

bed with her, and one thing, he laid

51:40

down next to you. I think I laid down next to you. It was

51:42

very sweet, and at that point

51:44

we probably could have just fallen asleep together and

51:47

that would have been fine. But I'm also not really comfortable

51:49

sleeping with like people that I'm not in a relationship

51:51

within my bed because you're a fucking maniac and you're

51:54

the only one in New York City as a problem with this. It could

51:56

be Yeah, I'm sorry. I stopped the

51:58

bedment freeze. I stopped friends

52:00

in my bed, and my best guy friend in my bed like it was totally

52:02

there's no weird guys. I sleep next to

52:05

my friend Raj all the time. We're

52:08

fast forwarding here. But when you sleep with Raja,

52:10

do you, man, do

52:12

you completely sprawl out like arms and

52:15

legs because I'm usually not hammered

52:17

it on a starburst top because that's what put

52:19

me on the couch. I was like, this is a battle

52:21

that I cannot win. You basically just set

52:23

up my Katie Perry like dream

52:26

sex zone. You know, there's there's Starbursts,

52:28

there's cash Frank on the this

52:31

was happening right, So, so so

52:33

we're there, we're listening to him, uh

52:35

and really him? And

52:38

so so then is it him?

52:41

I don't know. I think it's Hime. I think it's like concert.

52:44

I don't know. All I know is the basis

52:46

with the red lips rocks. And also let me say

52:48

I was I was raised like pretty Jewish, so to me

52:50

like yeah, very Jewish. But

52:52

like to me, like like all the kids I grew

52:54

up with, like you don't really

52:56

like fun someone right away, it's not what you

52:59

do. You fool around first, you know, so

53:01

boy, I will say that I think

53:03

you enjoyed I think that you enjoyed yourself.

53:06

Okay, well okay, what was yeh?

53:10

When was the moment where you're like, I'm I

53:14

don't remember, like I

53:16

feel like we got I wasn't. I never get

53:18

as drunk as anyone. It's like a problem that I

53:20

have on you know, it's probably like a manipulation

53:23

move. It's really not because I drank as

53:25

much, if not a little more than You're also bigger than

53:27

me. I'm a lot bigger than yeah, But

53:29

you know, I don't want to say that she never

53:31

saw because I was going to as I'm a gentleman.

53:34

I don't take out my dick on the first took up. I

53:36

saw no dick. You know, I want to gwent woman who

53:38

doesn't take out his dick on the first day. All I

53:40

remember is like, I don't remember how the decision was made.

53:42

I do remember my pants coming down and

53:45

I was like, I'm mad. Well, that was

53:47

kind of the whole. It was like corincal.

53:51

Although it's very hard to turn

53:53

down a pussy, well I do, but I

53:55

do think that to a degree, you seem to enjoy it,

53:57

like I love getting my post.

54:00

Who does it? And so because there were

54:02

a few leg quivers in there like I could tell is evidence

54:05

as when I was done, like

54:07

a dude, you you literally

54:10

were like and then you sprawled

54:12

out arms and legs, it was like and

54:14

then arms and legs the best. And then I was

54:16

like, all right, maybe we could continue

54:19

her cuddle or something oh

54:21

gross or whatever it

54:23

could possibly be. But then I looked down

54:25

and I was like the entire bed, like all the surface

54:27

area is gone, um and

54:30

and it almost felt like, like a little bit,

54:32

I felt like I was the chick. I

54:34

like to sleep, Like Jesus, you sound like the chicken.

54:37

Typical what am I going to do? I mean? And then also I'm

54:39

like, I think most men are the chicken. And

54:42

when they're with me, when you get into this gray area where it's

54:44

like, all right, what should I try to funk right now? I don't know. She's kind

54:46

of like out of it. Yeah, would you ask

54:49

if she feel like if

54:51

she'd been like somewhat receptive. But then

54:53

in my brain I'm like, I'm like, this is weird

54:56

because she came over to do what was supposed to

54:58

be a writer's meeting, no writing, No

55:00

writing happened, and a lot of story,

55:02

but a lot of other friends should happen, right, And so then she stayed

55:05

over, which is very rare for me because most of the time, honestly,

55:07

I really don't want girls staying over for most

55:10

For the most part, grank kind of does what she wants and then everybody

55:12

has to deal with and that's and that's a comfort issue. And so

55:14

I went and I slept on the couch and you slept

55:16

in my bed. Say tell me you slept

55:18

on the I did know. I got up and I

55:21

was like, I would rather be I

55:23

would rather I would rather be comfortable than

55:25

push Karin over or try

55:27

to reposition her. And then

55:30

did after you laid her out, she just literally

55:32

slipped into an up. She was

55:34

like, I was drunk and pussy eating

55:37

makes me very tired. It was she

55:42

she acted like a guy who had

55:44

just gotten a blowjob. That is exactly how

55:47

she like the guy, the selfish guy

55:49

a little bit. Did you know

55:51

that wasn't happening? Listen, I listen,

55:54

wasn't happening. Listen. You come over for

55:56

a writer's meeting and then you end up

55:58

saying, Wow, this bed is really comfortable. Drunk

56:00

and if you want to eat my pussy that's fine,

56:02

but that she didn't. Ladies,

56:04

you never oh man anything. Listen,

56:07

Listen, listen, listen, listen,

56:11

listen. You can auntie that Mariel.

56:14

Ladies, you can't please everyone, but

56:16

she can keep looking till they wave you off.

56:19

Oh my god, I can just imagine

56:21

me like, okay, be gone. Peasants. Well

56:23

it was kind of like that, but then I was like, we more money than

56:25

you, so I'm not a peasidant. If I would interesting

56:27

dynamic, that would be. This is an interesting dynamic

56:29

because you are so nice and accommodating.

56:32

Currin, you you always you feel

56:34

and that's the type of personality that the guy has

56:37

that you can kind of see what you can get away when she takes

56:39

advantage. For sure, Yeah, you like seeing what you

56:41

can get away with, but you also don't

56:43

mind that she likes seeing I'm

56:45

completely conscious of what's going.

56:47

I'm like, you know what, You're not like, she fooled

56:50

me. Also sexually. Also sexually

56:52

for me, it's like I I like making girls

56:54

come more than I like yeah a lot.

56:56

Stephen is like that incredible because

57:00

you get like a leg quiver. You're like, oh funk,

57:02

I did a good job and then and then

57:04

if it does continue, you can essentially do whatever

57:06

you want and the girls satisfied and you're really happy. So

57:09

um so that's the gist. Whatever

57:13

gina tastes like, it was pretty good. It was relatively

57:16

clean. How many vagina taste I mean for someone who

57:18

does like twenty spots a night, it was relative.

57:20

What a funk? Oh my, when

57:23

you talk about I showered right before I came

57:25

over, My hair was still. You see, that's a thing.

57:27

You shower right before you came over. I shower before

57:29

I go between my day life and my night

57:32

life. I shower, shower before I do a fing

57:34

open mic. You want to clean off the filthy

57:36

day job? Do you dream job? Yeah,

57:39

it's kind of it. It is kind of like it's kind of

57:41

like change Karn one Karin to in

57:44

retrospect, I do it all over

57:47

again if I had to. So

57:49

you weren't in any way pissed. That absolutely

57:52

not, because I think that we both and and

57:54

again this whole idea that like I have this dying

57:57

admiration for Karn It's like I do respect

57:59

her. I think she's a eight person. I also know that,

58:01

like you know, I

58:04

can't operate at her speed. There's no way. We're

58:07

very different people, and so I also

58:09

got the impression that you maybe seem like a coke

58:11

addict. Well then and then later when we're

58:14

actually the bridge, and then

58:16

actually recently we hung out completely, we swung

58:18

out since then, completely platonic, just being friends

58:20

when we hung out, when we're in d thing.

58:24

I met up with Isaac in DC when I was in DC

58:27

with Paula. Yeah, and we went to the Worst we

58:29

were randomly in DC at the same time.

58:32

Wait, I have a question though about the pussy eating.

58:34

Please, how did you initiate this

58:36

is about to go down? Did you start

58:38

taking off her pants? Yeah? And she was like I

58:41

just stopped. She started slipping off my pants, and like

58:43

in my mind, I'm like, maybe this shouldn't be happy,

58:45

and I'm like, this has happened. There was a lot there was. I

58:49

I get very very horny

58:51

when I'm drunk. Well,

58:53

listen, I'd like to thank you for giving me the

58:56

amazing opportunity. This is like a dream.

58:58

Karen is gonna don't know if your head is going to

59:00

fit out. I didn't. I didn't read that I was

59:02

being sarcastic. Really sound very

59:05

genuine. I know. It's kind of a thing that I do. You

59:07

know what, I don't like this podcast because everyone who I

59:09

think adores me. I just come on. I'm like, I've

59:11

been fucking pumped by the male Eagle

59:14

once again. No, I do adore you. I

59:18

think that you're wonderful for me and I will always

59:20

be here for you, and I think that you're great.

59:23

This is a bunch of bullshit. But you know, I'm not a

59:25

bit. Oh my god, you aren't

59:27

a bit because you do a lot of nice

59:29

things, like very nice things, like that's the thing

59:31

that I do. It's kind of suave. I feel like the

59:33

way you did not it's not like a whipped

59:37

I also kind of I also prefer connections,

59:41

whatever that means. But yes, I like, you know, I

59:43

like you take me into the network

59:46

the salad bar that was pretty good. Cream.

59:48

Do you ever see yourself? One time

59:50

Kaream came and had lunch with me at a major network that

59:52

I was working on, and she enjoyed it. It was nice. It was like

59:55

going to the cee land for yes.

59:57

I was like, this is where televating it gets made. She

1:00:00

was like, oh my god, tell me more. Wow.

1:00:02

I did tell me all you

1:00:09

see my pussy. I don't really don't know about this bullshit. Look

1:00:13

it's Barbara Walters, So I

1:00:15

like getting my pussy eating so she likes

1:00:17

yeah, She's like, Queen, do you like eating girls

1:00:20

pussy? Yeah? Why do you? What's

1:00:22

is that your favorite sexual activity? What's your favorite thing to do

1:00:24

with it? It's it's eating pussies

1:00:26

and doggie are my two favorite things to do style.

1:00:31

I don't get why people some people have said

1:00:33

that they think doggi styles did meaning. I don't

1:00:35

think it's mean. Number

1:00:38

one, okay, number one, it's called doggie

1:00:40

signs right there. But any sex

1:00:42

position you look stupid. No, no, no, I don't.

1:00:44

I don't feel like it's meaning. It is my also my

1:00:46

favorite position. But I

1:00:49

can see why people think it's me. You're on your

1:00:51

hands and fucking means yeah. But to get

1:00:54

fun, I don't know. Yeah, to get though,

1:00:57

I think that's the part of it that turns me on a lot. But

1:00:59

you also you also said you like you

1:01:02

like being and like you said,

1:01:04

like being like being humiliated a little

1:01:06

bit, a little humiliated.

1:01:09

I haven't explored that part, but I have

1:01:11

a um, I have an inkling that

1:01:14

I really like it more than I think I do, but

1:01:16

I'm too nervous to explore it. That makes

1:01:18

sense, Yeah, no, because I don't want to go

1:01:20

too far that I'm like emotionally destroyed

1:01:23

because I have a big ego. If you want,

1:01:25

if you want Crint to humiliate you right now,

1:01:28

Okay, I just what are you gonna say?

1:01:33

It just caught age or something? My god,

1:01:35

you did catch aids from my semi clean

1:01:37

vagina. All right, listen, I think we're almost done.

1:01:39

Are not producing the show.

1:01:42

I don't know what who you think you are? Watch

1:01:45

Our producer just signaled to rest behind

1:01:47

him. I'm the guy. I'm the guy paying attention

1:01:49

to what's going on. You must be the other guys. I'm still

1:01:52

gonna trotty Corence passiatic Anna,

1:01:54

you're just going to leave it at a friendship. I

1:01:56

don't I'm being I

1:01:59

said it could have to hang around your

1:02:02

post, but like, wow, you

1:02:07

wrote that you wrote that one and you couldn't wait to

1:02:09

delver. Not that was you were

1:02:11

going to tweet. But I

1:02:13

called pre written. That's not true. I just ripped

1:02:15

off on what she said possibly have

1:02:17

written. Listen, I had a lot of things to say here, but clearly,

1:02:20

well, one last thing up.

1:02:24

I'd like to say that that that Krince

1:02:26

wonderful, leave

1:02:28

any of this any that she's a powerful and attractive

1:02:30

woman. Simmons

1:02:34

said that to me, and he made me feel feel

1:02:36

really powerful and attractive. So I say it to women

1:02:38

now. Jean Simmons was really

1:02:41

quickly because I think we're low on time because I'm producing

1:02:43

the show now. But I was

1:02:45

an intern at the Howard Stern Show and I got Jenson Is to sign

1:02:47

a release let me pick up those names. Well,

1:02:50

there you go, and so I said to one of the other interns,

1:02:52

and so then when I say goodbye to him, he was like very

1:02:54

much, very powerful and attractive man. And I was like, I said, it's one

1:02:56

of the other interns. I was like, oh

1:02:58

my god, you just I feel so good because you called me. And

1:03:01

then when the interest goes. That's just what he says when

1:03:03

he says goodbye to random people Funny Home. Well,

1:03:05

because it actually is the ultimate thing

1:03:07

that people want to hear, which is everyone wants to hear that

1:03:09

they're attractive. That's why

1:03:12

he says it. He's a greasy guy. Everyone wants

1:03:14

to hear their attractive. Everyone wants to hear their

1:03:16

powerful. Everyone wants to get their pussy eating if

1:03:18

they have when, and everyone wants starbars, get

1:03:20

their penis delivered from

1:03:23

the bodega downstairs. And I

1:03:25

don't think we should be criminalized for this. Yeah,

1:03:27

be honest about what you want. And I do it again. I

1:03:31

do it again in the RPY. I wouldn't trade any second of our

1:03:33

time together. I thought it was all do it again when in a tongue

1:03:35

thrust in a tongue thrust, I

1:03:39

don't know. That's a lot of fluid and that, Yeah,

1:03:41

that's so much vagina

1:03:43

wouldn't be a weird way to die. And I think we're almost

1:03:46

out of time. Isaac, who

1:03:49

who's causing the show? All right now, I'm

1:03:51

gonna have to pull a car in and be like, shut the funk up right, thank

1:03:54

you for coming on a great

1:03:57

time. You're fun. Yeah, where

1:03:59

can people find you? On to the

1:04:02

show? So we're not gonna know he he's

1:04:05

a private I don't want to promote stuff because

1:04:07

these these real people, these

1:04:10

real people. He

1:04:12

has bigger things than the little guys

1:04:14

we fund podcast going on that little

1:04:17

old craft shows, doing this little

1:04:19

craft Wait

1:04:22

wait wait, and this same radio bit. The most

1:04:24

important thing that I want to say is that we will

1:04:26

be in Los Angeles from

1:04:29

We're flying in Friday night, which is the fifteenth,

1:04:32

will be there through August, and

1:04:36

you can catch us at a few places.

1:04:38

Um. We're gonna be on Sunday the seventeen,

1:04:41

Vacluse Lounge eighty two tons

1:04:44

Sunset Boulevard. That is a

1:04:47

PM show, a p M show. And then on Tuesday,

1:04:50

the nineteen, we are on two shows.

1:04:52

Want is Sleepaway Camp at the Downtown

1:04:55

Independent on Main Street. Uh

1:04:57

and then also We're Having Fun Here at

1:04:59

the pal Lists on Hillhurst

1:05:01

Avenue in Las Felease. They're both at

1:05:04

nine pm. We're gonna be doing both shows, probably

1:05:07

earlier on We're Having

1:05:09

Fun Here and later on Sleepaway Camp. So if you live

1:05:12

neither near any of those shows, come

1:05:14

see us um and also follows on social

1:05:16

media because we'll post all that stuff there too, because

1:05:18

you know it's at s R y about

1:05:21

last n y T sorry about last night's

1:05:23

show at gmail dot com and the rest will be put

1:05:25

on the soundcloaud listen on iTunes. Thank

1:05:28

you so much for listening to another episode

1:05:30

of Guys we fucked the antist

1:05:32

slut shaming podcast and we love

1:05:34

you. Have a great weekend. Bye bye whatever

1:05:45

love wants. Look

1:05:50

good, end

1:05:53

Man, Little Low

1:05:55

Low six