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Welcome the Guys We Find Anti

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Slutshamings podcast.

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I'm Christina Hutchinson, I'm Couren Fifer

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and I'm yea sool with friends.

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We're going up to flooding, your horning

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and your shame.

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Hey it was what?

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Yes?

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Okay? Greetings

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fuckers, how you do it? You?

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Okay, go to therapy.

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Welcome to another episode of Guys We Fuck

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It's the Anti slutch I mean podcast. I'm Couren

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Fisher, I'm Christina Hutchinson. Welcome

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to the show.

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If you would like to.

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Email us, the email addresses sorry about last

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night's show at gmail dot com. Today's

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subject line no more Pastrami.

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This is a follow up email from the Brashtrami sandwich

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guy a few months ago. Oh do I remember

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that email?

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We all do it haunts us.

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Let me start off by saying, I appreciate

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the focus on men's health this month.

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Kudos to the podcast.

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Thank you for featuring my question on episode number

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five forty three. I literally stopped

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walking during PM rush hour in Penn

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Station. That's a crowded one.

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When I realized it, it was my email being read.

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Here's a follow up after joining Betterhelp

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this is not sponsored for reasons totally unrelated

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to my last email. Okay, I

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began to learn about myself in a way I

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never did before. Oh shit, is this

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guy gonna tell us why I loves PRISTRAMI? In

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doing so, I realized that the reason

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I craved eating vagina is because

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deep down I needed my partner to orgasm

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before me. I

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knew at some point I would go flaccid, and

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at that point would deliver bad dick.

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But I figured if I already pleasured them enough,

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they would be all right with my flacidity

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and we'd move on to something else. After

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realizing and accepting this truth, I

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started having less desire to have sex

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interesting. I didn't feel as worthy

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or deserving. I still talk with women here

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and there if I meet them in the settings that

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are concrete to my life, like

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the gym or a massage studio.

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What per se is a massage

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studio?

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Yeah?

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Do you get in handies? I'd love to know.

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But I haven't gotten out of my way to meet women

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in the traditional way like at bars. Since

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the email, I've only slept with three women,

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and I don't currently have a desire to chase it.

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Chase anyone.

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At some point, I do plan to dive into

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why I go flaccid and seek medical attention

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if anything, but there'll be a time

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for that. I'm on the road now and

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I'm now being much more frugal. I am

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focusing on enhancing my career in HR,

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which is going on five years now, and I'm focusing

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on fitness.

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That's great.

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Fitness is a great goal if

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you have to focus on someone else for a while. Yeah, nothing

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says I have a huge problem that

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I'm trying not to dive into again,

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like getting it out finish. Every

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fucking of recovering addict I

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know is ripped. Hey, you got to

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be addicted to something sometimes and it's

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you know, the gym is I guess better shout

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out to Mike. I'm also back on my meds,

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which is just creatine and el card

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and Carnatine. Here's

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a crops photo of me and my female best friend

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that I mentioned in my email my last

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email. Oh you're so cute.

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Oh she's so cute too. You kind of look related, but you're

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both hot. Your female

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friend huh no, grown man wants to be your

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friend. My guy, what are you doing? Did you eat

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her pastram. She's super cute.

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Guys, come see us live.

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Our very last midnight theater

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show of twenty twenty three is going to be

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Friday, December first, at nine thirty

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pm at the Midnight Theater. It's me, Karem

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Fisher, Mikey Big, Don Costcarelli.

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We have fun holiday surprises for you in

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store.

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It's an interactive show and you can

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also watch it either in person

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or buy a streaming ticket, which you'll have forty eight hours

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to watch the show in its entirety. Head

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to the link in any of our bios for tickets.

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Together, we are at guys, we fucked without the U

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and fucked. I'm at Christina hutch I'm

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at Philanthropy Yal.

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And I'm at Mike Coscaret.

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And if you're in New Jersey,

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I'm going to be at the Stress Factory in New

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Brunswick. What are the dates?

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January fourth, fifth, and sixth,

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And those tickets are also in my bio.

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And as always, I host group

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shera Apee over Zoom four times a month

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at patreon dot com slash Christina Hutchinson

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and this we're talking a lot about addictions. A

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lot of people we got an herbalist in the

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group who has successfully beat

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a lot of addictions to herself, and she had a lot

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to say. All the audio from

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our Zoom sessions is uploaded to patreons. You can always

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listen to them if you can't participate,

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And yeah, it's a good time. You come and say whatever the

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fuck you want, and then you realize getting off

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your chest makes you less mad and sad,

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So sign up today.

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Talk to you on Zoom and Chicago.

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I am at Zany's Chicago

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December fifteenth and sixteenth

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with Chloe La Branch and Eric Freddie.

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Get those tickets now.

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Ticket link is up, It's in link, tree link and

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all my bios on social media.

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Can I just say too great poster?

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Oh, thank you it's a baseball card. Thank

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you Isabella for making me into a

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baseball card. And

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then also what I've been found finding

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with promoting the Chicago shows, there are

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a ton of song

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written about Chicago, like I

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always look, but like specifically like for every

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city that I've gone, I would say not

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more than l Lea most likely, but like or

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definitely not more than New York, but like whoa

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overwhelming amount of songs about

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Chicago that are available,

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and when they don't, all say Chicago in it.

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But I was doing a lot of research. Frank

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Sinatra sang a lot of songs about Chicago.

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A lot of songs. She hasn't multiple

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songs about Chicago.

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I know that.

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So that's that. And then.

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What else is I have

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a New Year's Eve show that

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the ticket link isn't up yet. But just like if you were

5:38

talking about New Year's Eve plans, my yearly New

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Year's Eve show at New York Comedy

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Club East Village at six pm

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New Year's Eve is happening once again.

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Such a show. It's not booked.

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I don't have the ticket link up, but it'll be It'll

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be great because it's always great.

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It's a great show.

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And then also in

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Washington, d C. February twenty ninth through

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March, second DC Comedy

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Loft. Again, all these ticket links are

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up except for the New Year's one. But that's just like you got

6:06

to know what you're doing on New Years. So I'm just telling you

6:08

you have something to do if you're in New York City. And

6:10

of course what's going to be at six pm? Again, that's

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a perfect time, yeah for a show because

6:15

then you can go out and do whatever this thing you want to

6:17

do. Anyway, happens earlier on New

6:19

Year's Eve, so like basically every

6:21

because when you think that you have to be like you're kind

6:23

of like ending the night at like by twelve

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thirty just because everyone's like so excited

6:28

to get to the ball drop. So it's like the

6:30

earliest night of the year. Well for I

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guess we'll tell people it's late and

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then uh yeah, of course. Listen to Without a Country.

6:38

We've been getting some really interesting interviews

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this week. We're talking about ethics and

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journalism, which is a passion

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topic of mine, So make sure

6:48

to tune in on YouTube or

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wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Right guys, rounding

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out Masculinity month, Baby,

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Oh, I.

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Do I have them? Man Hero for you. He's

7:02

he.

7:02

I mean, he's the lead vocalist and one of the most

7:05

one of the greatest rock bands

7:07

ever.

7:07

I've seen him live a couple

7:09

times.

7:11

The last time I saw him live at Madison Square

7:13

Garden, he had broken his leg and

7:15

he performed the entire show sitting

7:17

down on a wooden box, and it was one of

7:20

the greatest concerts I've ever seen. And to

7:22

be I said this a

7:24

couple months, maybe like a year ago, after

7:26

seeing that concert. It's like Beyonce for

7:29

straight guys. I've never experienced

7:31

a vibe of men just so happy

7:34

and wanting to express their

7:36

fucking feelings. He

7:39

promotes left wing politics and opposition

7:41

to corporate America. He fucking hates

7:43

corporate America and he's not shy

7:45

about that. And I just love a man who's

7:48

an activist and not shy about it. And he does

7:50

not like the military industrial complex and government

7:52

oppression. Those are the three main things that he

7:55

involves himself in. And of course the

7:57

band is rage against the Machine, and the man

8:00

hero is Zacharias Manuel de la

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Rosha. I love you, and

8:04

I don't think you got me too. I didn't want to look

8:06

it up, but because he's just so perfect

8:08

in my eyes. He expresses himself so beautifully,

8:10

and he's a poet, he's like a spoken word artist. This

8:13

motherfucker is so this is right up your eye.

8:15

If someone wrote I feel the same

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way.

8:21

I love poet men pets,

8:25

well good, yes, the.

8:27

Same way men shied away from our profiles

8:29

on RYO when we had comedians in the bio that's

8:31

how I feel about spoken word artist.

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Send me your spoken word man, I

8:36

will I will date them.

8:37

Someone sent me a poem once, but

8:39

it was like an erotic poem a

8:42

listener of the show, and I said, I, if you ever

8:44

send me anything like this again, I'm reporting

8:47

you to the FBI.

8:48

Absolutely inappropriate for everybody.

8:51

No, but it works on me. Don't write a poem

8:53

about my fu pussy incentives to me. That's that.

8:55

I wouldn't like. You

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got to know me like that to do a poetry.

9:01

I'm trying to fox with you on that level. No.

9:10

No rotic poetry from strangers.

9:12

No.

9:12

Absolutely crazy.

9:13

But I'm glad you brought up the me too because

9:15

I don't know if you read into me too. But I mean

9:17

P Diddi's p p diddies me

9:19

too with from Cassie. Fucking

9:22

insane. Okay, the allegation, now, this

9:24

makes me feel uncomfortable,

9:26

But also what could we have done?

9:28

We already knew about this. I didn't.

9:30

I didn't know about it. Yeah, we interviewed somebody

9:33

at Serious XM.

9:34

I guess I wasn't listening, uh well,

9:37

and he told me the guy that I was sassing the whole

9:39

time pancakes. Yeah yeah,

9:41

yeah, Okay, So I was so, I

9:44

was so stunned

9:46

by everything that came out of his mouth. I think it was because

9:48

I have no recollection of

9:51

like that specifically. I mean, I'm sure

9:53

I commented on it, but like I interview

9:56

in totality.

9:57

Was so it set women back so

10:00

far. Yeah, he wasn't a feminist. I'm still recovering

10:02

for sure.

10:03

Sure.

10:03

Yeah, but he told us.

10:04

He told us about Cassie

10:06

because I remember I always thought she

10:09

was the most beautiful woman ever. She's

10:11

so gorgeous, and I just loved

10:13

her songs always since I was in middle school. And

10:15

I remember when he told us about a couple of rappers

10:18

off air and he said

10:20

the thing about Pee Diddy, he basically,

10:23

but I was like, I mean, what could we have done? And then

10:25

also, yes, you're right, the interview was absolutely

10:27

ridiculous. So I'm like, I mean, I kind of

10:29

think it's true, but I don't know.

10:31

I don't trust this guy for accurate info.

10:34

However, he said it was because p Diddy

10:36

is gay, and I remember that,

10:38

and Cassie lives at his house

10:40

and it's basically like his his fucking

10:43

he abuses her and he yeah,

10:46

like he's this is all allegedly.

10:48

Yeah, it's allegedly.

10:49

I mean he told us allegedly that this happened,

10:51

but that she was under contract and she had

10:53

to stay with him. He's gay, he wanted

10:55

to protect his sexuality

10:58

or whatever the fuck he wanted to have it, like you know, the gay

11:00

guys always get the hottest girlfriends. Well, you knew

11:02

it had to be true because

11:04

basically all the allegations surface

11:06

because and the reason why it surface. At this time,

11:08

I was watching a news report about it. There

11:11

was a new law introduced that like

11:14

a like an Adult Survivor's Act, it's

11:16

called and so it changed

11:18

the time constraints which allowed Cassie

11:20

to file this lawsuit

11:23

against Sean Combs, and

11:25

then many other people

11:27

followed suit immediately against

11:29

him or just in general,

11:32

because like there was some people who the statute of

11:34

limitations had passed and they couldn't.

11:37

And probably now that you're reminding

11:39

me about this contract

11:41

that she had for him, allegedly

11:44

being like having a hit her

11:46

as his beard, which is the common Hollywood practice

11:48

by one hundred percent, believe it. Yeah,

11:50

that's who Cassie would be.

11:52

Okay, I got a beard was a type of gay guy.

11:54

No, no, no, a beard is a straight woman

11:56

who is moonlighting

11:58

as a.

11:59

Girl front to a gay man.

12:01

Oh okay, yeah, so that's what Cassie was

12:03

acting as for Sean Combs

12:06

if if the story that that other guy

12:08

told us is correct, and

12:12

so she yeah, so she followed that too because of the Adult

12:14

Survivors Act, and many other

12:16

people followed. UH filed lawsuits

12:19

this week as well, and like

12:21

so the day everything was announced, literally

12:23

twenty four hours later, they had settled

12:25

out of court. Wow, it's

12:27

already gone and it's already done.

12:30

And yeah, I know you

12:33

So I mean that that right there tells you it was

12:35

so bad and it was true, and I mean there was like there

12:37

was like sex trafficking allegations

12:40

in there as well, and like share sex

12:42

stuff kind of like similar to what Melby

12:45

accused her ex husband of from

12:47

The Spice Girls, like force like forcing

12:50

her to engage in sexual situations

12:53

like in front of him.

12:54

Who the fuck knows what he was like.

12:56

You know doing I very specifically,

12:58

once he told us that, I was like, I'll never go at that.

13:00

And that's fucking awful because

13:02

it really stuck out to me that.

13:04

I was like, oh, he's like, that's why now

13:06

that you say

13:08

somebody because they're like kind of desperately trying to protect

13:11

their masculinity. Yeah,

13:13

he's angry and he I remember this guy that

13:15

we had interviewed at Sirius who

13:17

told us this was like he

13:19

seemed shook.

13:21

Over how abusive did he was to Cassie.

13:23

And I was like, wait, wait, who wha, whoa, whoa, this

13:25

is just a casual drop.

13:26

You're just telling us what the fuck? That's terrible,

13:29

right.

13:29

And that guy and that's and that's that

13:31

that's astounding because that guy had certainly didn't

13:33

have respect women. No no, no, no,

13:36

no, like stacking them up like pancakes and yelling

13:38

syrup. Is he just I think

13:40

after that interview, I must have

13:42

turned my ears off.

13:44

I don't blame you. Yeah, I was extremely

13:46

difficult for me to get through that. Yeah.

13:48

Yeah.

13:48

I was just like, bad, damn dude, you're really

13:50

saying this stuff and okay,

13:53

that's your lifestyle. It's incredible how often

13:55

guests will tell us really big

13:58

things.

13:59

Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.

14:01

He told us about another rapper who was not

14:03

straight, and I was like, what the fuck appears

14:06

like he he made it seem

14:08

like, man, there's a lot of guy rappers that are gay that really

14:10

don't want to be gay. I'm like, just be gay obviously

14:14

that's easier or not accepted. And they

14:16

in the in the rap community, still

14:18

in the gay community. Yeah, I mean that's

14:20

why little Nash

14:23

love making, you know. And but the

14:25

thing is, like he's he gets a lot of flack if

14:27

you look at his like Instagram or

14:29

his Twitter like for being

14:32

especially so.

14:33

Overtly homosexual and so feminine

14:36

and his.

14:36

Love Chappelle's bit about how when he came out with

14:38

the Old Town Road Song with Billy Ray Cyrus

14:40

and then it was such a big hit and he wasn't

14:43

he wasn't out to his to the public yet,

14:45

and then he was like, gotcha, I'm

14:47

gay, right, And he's like, man, that's a good one.

14:50

That's a good he said, you were gay? Yeah,

14:53

Oh my god, all right. And then so going into

14:56

Matt mena celebration. I also

14:58

saw this uh opinion

15:00

guests essay in the New York Times this week,

15:03

and it said, why aren't more people

15:05

marrying?

15:05

Ask women what dating is?

15:07

Like.

15:07

I'm not going to read the whole thing. But I think, you.

15:09

Know, just talks about how specifically

15:11

heterosexual marriage is on the decline.

15:13

This is not so for all other forums

15:16

of marriage. So obviously, when

15:18

heterosexual marriage is on the decline.

15:20

Hmmm, why do we think that is?

15:23

What? Because women don't want to get married anymore? And why

15:25

don't we want to get married anymore?

15:27

Sticky is shit.

15:28

It's almost like we realize what a bad

15:30

business deal it is for us, like I've been saying,

15:33

and I'm interested. Clementinine

15:35

Ford actually just came out out with a

15:37

book. She's released a book last month called I Don't

15:39

that I can't wait to sink my teeth into. And

15:44

you know, it's full of

15:46

of like just hardcore stats about

15:48

like the actual how it sets us behind,

15:50

how it's not helpful to us, how it

15:52

was for at least the past thousand years.

15:55

It's a structure that just does not serve us,

15:57

our straight women. So I'm

16:00

sure there'll be more in that. But the chunk of this article

16:02

that I found interesting says, for as long as people

16:05

have been promoting marriage, they have also been observing

16:07

that a good man is hard to find. See William

16:10

Julius Wilson or early Nora Ephron. But

16:12

what was once dismissed as the complaint of

16:14

picky women is now supported by a raft

16:16

of data. The same pundits plugging

16:18

marriage also bemoan the crisis among

16:21

men and boys. Right, So the same

16:23

people who are saying, like, uh, it's

16:25

it's ruining the structure of society that

16:27

we were not getting married, they also are finally acknowledging

16:30

like there's a problem with men and boys in

16:32

this country what has come to be known

16:34

as quote male drift, men turning

16:36

away from college, dropping out of the workforce,

16:38

or failing to look after their health.

16:40

That's the biggest one in my life.

16:42

How many, like every dad in every

16:44

family is just like they don't look after the

16:47

health. And then I just watched the mom's stress. How that happened

16:49

in my family, all my family. My

16:51

dad's dead because of it. Yeah, I

16:53

mean, and it's and I'm actually not even just talking

16:55

about physical health.

16:56

I'm also talking about mental health.

16:58

I would say, in it with with our

17:01

age group, with the people I know, almost every

17:03

man is in like a severe state

17:05

of poor mental health.

17:07

Not you, Mike, you, but you work on it.

17:08

Yeah, and you got big dong,

17:10

but basically all our friends and have Obviously it's because

17:13

you know, I'm and mental illness

17:15

is more prevalent in our in our workspace

17:18

than others. Yes, but almost

17:20

every man I know is like in severe

17:23

of severe mental health crisis for

17:25

the totality of me knowing them, yeah yeah,

17:29

and doing really little to nothing

17:31

to make it. None of these people I'm thinking of, one

17:34

of them isn't therapy. Yeah, but he's like

17:36

he's several generations younger, but

17:39

like the ones in their thirties forties just

17:41

not doing the work.

17:42

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I wonder why

17:44

and it's not.

17:44

And there's also so many I was getting mad on

17:47

the train thinking of preparing for this episode

17:49

because it's like, it's even if you don't want to

17:51

go to therapy or even if you don't think that's

17:53

for you, because like, for a long

17:55

time, I didn't go to therapy and I didn't need I didn't felt

17:57

like I needed to until something came up where I felt like I need

18:00

to do and then I went right, But because

18:02

I just didn't think like a bad breakup was necessary

18:04

enough and I actually stand by that, but

18:07

then I was like, well we started

18:09

this podcast, though, like I didn't just sit around

18:11

going like I'm going to do nothing to help

18:13

this.

18:13

Yeah, of course, yes, Okay.

18:16

So then it says there's

18:18

a person in an article that we're talking about previously. But miss

18:20

CARNEI, for example, acknowledges that improving men's

18:22

economic position, especially men without college

18:24

degrees, is an important step towards

18:26

making them more attractive partners. But even

18:29

this nod ignores the qualitative

18:31

aspect of the dating experience, the part that's

18:33

hard to cover in surveys or address with policy.

18:36

Daniel Cox, a senior fellow at the American

18:39

Enterprise Institute who recently surveyed

18:41

more than five thousand Americans about dating and relationships,

18:44

found that nearly half of college educated

18:46

women said they were single because

18:48

they had trouble finding someone who meets their expectations,

18:52

versus one third of men. The

18:54

in depth interviews, he said, were

18:56

even more dispiriting. And this is a man

18:59

talking for variety of reasons, mixed

19:01

messages from the broader culture about toughness

19:04

and vulnerability, the activity

19:06

oriented nature of male friendships.

19:08

So they're playing ball, they're not talking. It

19:12

seems that by the time men begin dating,

19:14

they are relatively limited in their ability

19:16

and willingness to be fully emotionally present

19:18

and available.

19:19

He said, Navigating.

19:21

Interpersonal relationships in a time of

19:23

evolving gender norms and expectations

19:25

requires a level of emotional

19:27

sensitivity that I think some men probably

19:30

just lack or they don't have the experience.

19:32

He added, he had recently read about

19:34

this part actually made me cry. He had

19:36

recently read about a high school creative writing

19:38

assignment in which boys and girls

19:40

were asked to imagine a day from the perspective

19:43

of the opposite sex. While girls

19:45

wrote detailed essays showing

19:48

they had already spent significant time

19:50

thinking about the subject, many

19:52

boys simply refused to do the exercise

19:56

or did so resentfully what

20:00

I believe it to me that

20:02

sentence also explains why men

20:05

make fun of female comedians. They do because they have absolutely

20:08

no interest. Again broad statement. I'm not saying

20:10

this about all of you. Many men have no

20:12

interest in how we live, learning how

20:14

we live, or spending a day in our shoes,

20:16

and that is a huge problem. And that made me so

20:18

sad. I literally cried on the subway when I read that sentence.

20:20

I said that fucking sucks.

20:22

At high school age. Damn yep.

20:25

Mister Cox likened that to heterosexual

20:28

relationships today the girls do extra

20:30

and the boys do little or nothing.

20:33

And again, that's a mister who said that marriage

20:36

proponents often contrast the stable

20:38

relationship patterns of the college educated

20:40

with the instability of the less educated. But

20:43

a bachelor's degree is hardly a guarantee

20:45

of a ring. The Yale anthropologist Marsha

20:47

Einhorn's recent book Motherhood on Ice,

20:50

The Mating Gap and Why Women Freeze

20:52

their Eggs argues that educated women

20:54

freeze their eggs because they're unable to find

20:57

a suitable male partner. So it's

20:59

not that we're too bad you working on a courier. It's

21:01

that we've looked and we couldn't find anyone.

21:04

She points to a large gap between the number of

21:06

college educated women and college educated

21:08

men during their reproductive years, on

21:11

the order of several million. But miss

21:13

Einhorn's book goes beyond these quantitative

21:15

mismatches to document the qualitative experience

21:18

of women who are actively searching for partners,

21:20

the frustration, hurt, and disappointment.

21:23

Almost without exception, she writes, women

21:25

in the study were trying hard to find a loving

21:27

partner, mostly through dating sites and apps.

21:30

Women in their late thirties reported online

21:32

agism. Others described removing

21:35

their PhD from their profiles

21:37

as to not intimidate potential

21:40

dates, and I thought of you and me, removing

21:42

comedian or am and still

21:44

others found that men were often

21:46

commitment averse. The behaviors were

21:48

ubiquitous enough that Miss Einhorn compiled

21:51

a sort of a taxonomy of cads,

21:53

such as the alpha males who want to

21:55

be challenged by work, not by

21:57

their partners or the.

22:00

Quote and they do put it in quotes.

22:02

Polyamorous men who

22:04

claim that there are multiple attachments

22:06

to women are all committed.

22:09

Her breakdown table one

22:11

point one in the book reads like a rigorous,

22:13

academic aversion of all the complaints

22:15

you've ever heard from your single female friends.

22:18

One of these friends with whom I went to college

22:20

with like nothing more to be married. She's beautiful

22:22

and successful and not as not as far

22:24

as I can tell, overly picky.

22:26

Well, this part I'm going.

22:27

To skip over because this is

22:29

it's written by a woman, and this is fucked

22:32

up. But from the description I can tell,

22:34

I'm pretty sure her friend's not hot.

22:36

And that's a problem. So I write between

22:38

the lines for that on you.

22:39

But it's like, oh, she's asking her male friends

22:42

to set her up on dates and her male

22:44

friends are like, no one's good enough for you.

22:46

And the writer interprets this as

22:49

as men just hanging out with people

22:52

who are subpar, and I'm like,

22:54

nah, your friend's not hot.

22:55

I can read through this really clearly because

22:58

I was like.

22:59

Actually, mine friends, uh,

23:01

many of whom are our dirt bags,

23:04

are always begging me to set

23:06

me up with someone because they get so frustrated

23:09

with who I choose right

23:11

right, right, And so I'm pretty

23:13

sure that's not the case by the language

23:16

that they're using.

23:17

Yeah.

23:18

So yeah, And the rest goes into like childcare and stuff.

23:20

But I thought, uh, this was

23:23

that that was the most interesting part of that,

23:25

that guest piece,

23:27

and it's someone who specializes in writing about

23:29

you know, gender and gender

23:32

dating and reproduction specifically.

23:34

That is very interesting. That's such a bummer about

23:36

that.

23:36

The statistic regarding the high school essay,

23:39

Yes, Christ, yeah,

23:41

you ever have.

23:42

Like and I never I'm like, is this a

23:44

myth? And this isn't really true?

23:46

But I have like a couple of friends who they

23:49

were seeing somebody they were kind

23:51

of like one was kind of dating down

23:54

a little bit, and uh, and

23:57

she's fantastic. She's like a breath

23:59

of fresh air. She hurts just her personality's

24:01

so fun. She's like mystical

24:03

and thought, not like woo, she's not really woo woo,

24:06

but she's just like great energy, mystical, you know,

24:09

know, a mystical lated.

24:11

Yeah, she's great. Men

24:14

do love a myxical lady.

24:15

Yeah. She's kind of like a Man of Pixie dreamgirl

24:17

ish, like kind of gal sure, super

24:20

cute. And this guy that she was seeing

24:22

like just kind of like faded away and

24:24

ghosted her. But they'd seen each other for a while and when

24:26

she was like I like this person, I was like, oh, lucky

24:28

him, man, that's awesome.

24:30

And then he just like.

24:31

Stopped talking to her. And that happened

24:33

with another girlfriend of mine. And I'm like, but

24:36

in both those situations, my my immediate

24:38

reaction, I'm like, maybe this is me being glass half full.

24:40

I still think this.

24:41

I was like, I think the guys seem to be

24:43

like intimidated by how fantastic you were

24:46

and that they couldn't live up to it. But I'm like, is that

24:48

a thing that happens. I mean, I I throw that

24:50

around, but Michael thoughts, I don't know.

24:52

No, it's never that. I don't think then ever

24:55

think that way.

24:56

Like they're like, I can't be I can't be

24:58

as great as this person is so I can show up

25:00

in the relationships.

25:01

I'm just gonnail, I disagree.

25:02

I think maybe you've never thought that but for

25:04

yourself, But I actually

25:06

disagree that. I think i've I've heard,

25:09

like whether or not your male friend's voice that

25:11

to you.

25:11

I think the male guy ever knows a lot of.

25:13

Men I know definitely

25:17

have a I'm not good enough and

25:19

it's deep yeah, oh.

25:20

Yeah, but they're not usually the ones that pull the plug.

25:23

I don't think I think men feel I

25:25

don't think men can feel that in a relationship.

25:28

But like christ, men don't feel.

25:30

Good enough to me, those are the people who won't

25:32

break up with you, but just stop showing up

25:35

in the relationship until you dump them.

25:37

Yeah, and it's kind of what's happened.

25:38

That's kind of what happened to my one friend. I'm like, he

25:41

just like faded away, and it.

25:43

Was fading away meeting, like he literally just stopped

25:45

talking to her. Yeah, yeah,

25:47

I don't know. I mean I think I like it's

25:49

more. I do think mc krinn is probably

25:52

a little more on the nose. I mean, like that

25:54

happened to me in a relationship,

25:57

obviously, and like him, I didn't

26:00

I very much felt that way, like

26:03

really not that I wasn't good

26:05

enough for her, but I think that her, you

26:07

know, at a time in my

26:09

life where I was not very professionally

26:11

accomplished, and

26:14

I didn't.

26:15

You know, I don't.

26:15

I didn't come from money to grow up around money.

26:17

So I think that's why she stopped being

26:20

as interested in you, of though, or

26:22

is.

26:22

That did

26:25

she ever say that to you?

26:26

Or is that your assessment?

26:27

Because this is the thing we assume this, you

26:29

know, this whole show is based on the assumptions

26:31

that we make when a breakup happens that we never actually

26:34

talk about with the other person.

26:35

She has told me, she has said

26:37

that that was not a reason at

26:39

all. But I don't believe that, and

26:42

I don't believe that because.

26:43

Of this, she might not want to be honest about that.

26:45

Well, I just think the sample size post our

26:47

relationship proves to the contrary.

26:50

She dated, Yeah, yeah, it's all people

26:52

that have had, you know, a

26:55

ton of a ton of money and sort

26:57

of like live closer to the life

27:00

style that she lived when she was

27:02

growing up, which was affluent.

27:03

Okay, I'm gonna argue

27:06

that though, And it's such a common tactic

27:08

though after a breakup happens when you're in

27:10

pain. The number one thing people do

27:12

is date the complete opposite of the partner

27:14

that they actually liked who the who and

27:17

the partner who they actually liked is often uh

27:19

similar more similar to who they will end up

27:22

with long term. Right. That's that's

27:24

a hunt. That's a like that's like a proven

27:27

study.

27:27

Yeah, yeah, maybe I don't.

27:29

And I'm just using

27:31

my example as one example, and I think

27:33

that that is like like in my

27:36

case, uh, I think.

27:38

More realistically, you felt insecure

27:40

about where you were in your relationship, and you're

27:42

thinking that must be the reason, and was shining

27:45

a spotlight on your own like as relationships

27:47

do on where we need to work on in our own

27:49

insecurities. I am actually thinking

27:51

that she didn't really think that way about you.

27:53

I think it was probably a mix, if we had to like

27:55

come down to it, because you're you're definitely right

27:58

that was a big part of it for me, and I've worked on

28:00

that and through that.

28:01

Because you're not like a lazy person. Like it's like, but

28:03

it wasn't about laziness. It was about actual

28:05

money, having actual

28:08

things, like living a comfortable

28:10

life, and like when she and I were shy,

28:14

like like in terms of like where we lived and

28:16

lived together. We lived together, we had

28:18

money roommates. I mean, she grew up

28:20

with money. She came from a family that had

28:22

a lot of cash. And obviously we were talking

28:24

about.

28:24

My situation yesterday Christina, like the two

28:27

bedroom apartment for teenager

28:29

shared, like I was nearly in squalor.

28:32

Yeah, I.

28:36

Was complimenting Mike and how I'm so

28:38

impressed that he hasn't lost his fucking ship

28:40

with all the stress he's been under. And I like witness

28:42

him just kind of like take things and

28:44

like the flood and the ship, and I'm like, how are you

28:46

able to deal with this? And not you're not even you

28:49

don't even have an ounce of shortness

28:51

in your tone. I'm really Also,

28:56

I didn't realize he shared a room. Is that okay?

28:58

With his two sisters?

29:00

Really? He loves to talk about it. You

29:04

might have mentioned on the podcast, but it just didn't dawn

29:06

on me. I'm like, over here sets

29:10

every morning.

29:11

Literally we slept, we slept

29:12

in three beds

29:14

across and it took up the whole room until you got.

29:16

That amazing opportunity to go to Walker's

29:19

Factory.

29:21

It was to change your life myself.

29:24

But I cannot imagine

29:27

growing up up until fifteen sixteen,

29:30

Harever old you were with not fourteen,

29:32

with not my own bedroom, Like

29:34

the amount of healing I did alone in my room

29:37

from age zero to fifteen, Oh

29:39

my god, Like I cannot tell you

29:41

how vital that was

29:43

to my existence today. Like it's truly

29:45

being alone in my room was like a huge party.

29:48

Isn't like a Monica song like sitting there lotting up.

29:50

In Yeah, yeah, I love it.

29:51

So yeah yeah it was was that Brandy Uh

29:55

sorry, I was like Brandy and Monica had it was

29:57

like Christina and Brittany. It's like that was whose

30:00

song was And I don't even remember that was a great

30:02

song. But yeah, I also had a song about

30:04

being in a room alone, in

30:07

your room alone, yeah right, but

30:10

yeah, just not having that like whoa,

30:14

that's crazy that you're not irritable,

30:16

like I'm very impressed.

30:17

Good job.

30:18

That's I think Kurran and I have talked about that a

30:20

ton where it's like the households that we grew

30:22

up in.

30:23

You they're just you know you.

30:26

You can't have a problem, right, you can

30:30

either like you actually

30:32

you're getting in a lot of trouble.

30:34

I couldn't have problems, but I did anyway,

30:36

and then no one listened to me.

30:38

Yeah, but yeah, that's what to

30:40

something. That whole thing up. I do think, I do think it happens.

30:42

But I don't think a lot of guys like bail

30:45

on a situation because they look at what's

30:47

going on and they say this woman is like too good

30:49

for me or what. I do think men have streaks

30:52

of insecurities.

30:53

I think their behavior within the relationship.

30:56

Let's lets you know that they are

30:58

intimidated by you, not so much like the ending

31:00

of the relationship. Yeah, and and also

31:03

regardless across the board, if

31:05

the woman was like really

31:08

hot, they wouldn't leave the person.

31:10

Like it's like, yeah, like intimidating,

31:12

like as a person and you're so like you're a woman

31:14

of the world and you're really successful and all this shit, but like

31:16

if you're like smoking hot. Like I've never

31:18

seen a guy care for a second about

31:21

how the woman was or if the woman was better than him. He wanted

31:23

to because there's a lot of

31:25

guys that we know, I feel like they have women that are a lot

31:27

hotter than them that they like kind of

31:30

you know, prance around like a prize, which

31:32

I mean, God bless you, I would too.

31:34

Yeah. No, I mean that's the norm. Yeah,

31:36

like everyone's it's a dream. Yeah.

31:39

Well, you're good looking, like I mean, like so when you're you're

31:41

the when you've reached the level of good looking that you've

31:43

reached, Like how much hotter can the girl really

31:45

be? I mean like a perfect body maybe,

31:47

but like no one, no one's no, You're

31:49

never going to show up with anyone and be like, wow, that

31:52

guy's ugly. You know, you just reached

31:54

the level of good looking. That's good looking enough.

31:56

Yeah yeah, yeah, but I think this kind of circles

31:58

back. You're welcome, thank

32:00

you. I think complimenting

32:03

this.

32:03

Month so

32:05

hard on Mike. I try to give a compliment, wasn't even acknowledged.

32:09

I just it's almost like I missed that.

32:11

Yeah, because you love he loves that, he loves

32:13

to be.

32:16

No.

32:17

But I think that that's that's that is where

32:19

that's where this gets even more complicated,

32:21

because I think that there's when

32:24

you get to a level where you feel like you can

32:26

be with a certain tier

32:28

of caliber of women. And I'm

32:31

sure women feel this way about men too. Uh

32:33

that tier eventually it goes up

32:36

another level and you go from I

32:38

can I can date really gorgeous

32:41

women who are accomplished and do great things.

32:43

But if I can date them, maybe I can date models,

32:46

or maybe I can date whatever. And

32:48

you just start I think you just start adding

32:51

to each tears. Yeah, and you just start

32:53

chasing this dragon that like doesn't exist.

32:56

So all of a sudden, like you

32:58

might be in you might be dating in your range

33:01

that you're supposed to be in as a man. But

33:04

then you start getting confident, in full of yourself,

33:06

and then you start thinking that those women aren't

33:08

good enough for you. I feel like you should you should

33:10

try to swing farther for the fences.

33:12

I would love to interview all the men who have dated

33:15

a model and when they

33:17

realize that that didn't make their life better, Like,

33:19

how how they handle that? Well? I think

33:21

it's kind of like also a little bit about what I

33:24

discovered about myself over the summer is

33:26

like.

33:26

Are you dating for you or are you dating

33:29

like other people for other people?

33:30

Like it's like you got a nice car. That's sometimes

33:33

I date like I got a nice.

33:34

Car, right, And so that's

33:37

the wrong reason.

33:37

And I think and I think

33:40

like for men to impress other men,

33:42

a model is much more impressed live

33:44

to other men than a woman with a PhD.

33:47

You can't see a PhD. You'd have to speak to her,

33:49

and men don't like doing that.

33:50

Yeah.

33:51

Well, and then the other the other weird

33:53

thing about uh so, I

33:56

like I had that could.

33:57

Be the would you rather for our guests? What PhD?

34:00

Woman of the PhD? Or mode?

34:08

You know, everyone likes to not come on

34:10

this show because they got they're going to trick us,

34:12

and we go, no, we're not, Yes,

34:14

we fuck it?

34:15

Are men a celebrations?

34:16

Right?

34:17

Well, it's not a trick.

34:17

We're just simply asking them a question and they can choose

34:20

to answer truthfully or not.

34:21

In my opinion, in my experience, the

34:24

women that are like in that

34:26

world, but they're like like models are

34:28

like adjacent to that. The lifestyle

34:30

that they live is so much more stressful

34:33

in my opinion what I

34:35

was exposed to as opposed

34:38

to like the women that are like even the women

34:40

that are taking the bar, like doing the things like

34:42

that.

34:43

It's a model lifestyle more stressful. I remember,

34:45

please tell me more.

34:46

Yeah what so there was well can't

34:48

eat no, no, no, I think, I mean that is going to put

34:51

I think I think being a guy trying

34:53

to sort of like entice somebody of that

34:55

caliber.

34:56

There was a there was a girl I think it was two summers

34:58

ago that I like, like had like a tiny

35:00

little fling, very short fling with yeah,

35:06

not a thing, gorgeous,

35:09

one of the most beautiful women that I've

35:11

ever probably been with, and I

35:16

I was interested in getting to know her and trying.

35:18

I don't know if she was felt that way about me, but like we

35:21

I was interested in that. And then the more I started

35:23

to like get to know her a little bit, the more I was like,

35:25

this is I can't handle

35:27

this.

35:28

What can't you handle about it?

35:29

Because she's just.

35:30

Like she's on the caliber where

35:32

people are like flying her places

35:35

all the time.

35:36

The male competition.

35:37

She's always in Paris and

35:40

like like the south of France and.

35:43

Very sought after by other men for the

35:46

most part.

35:46

Well in a way then like the

35:48

way you competit. The way the competition

35:51

is that you like like pick a location and

35:53

fly somebody out somewhere and like like I

35:55

just fit.

35:56

I can't do that. I'm not on that. You

35:59

know, I'm not on that level.

36:00

Yeah, Brin Fisher, no one's ever flown me

36:02

anywhere.

36:04

What's up, boys, Christina Hutchinson,

36:06

I've flown somewhere to surprise somebody.

36:08

They didn't like it.

36:14

Oopsy, Where did I

36:16

need to hear about this? Off airs?

36:19

Sometimes you go to la because you know guys going to be

36:21

there. Hilarious,

36:24

So was the old mais. I don't think I ever

36:26

heard about this. I've been on a country.

36:28

No, not in the country, but I've been on boats

36:31

and stuff. That's in my twenties. You just get

36:33

on a boat. I forget what comic I think it was. Dan soder Has

36:35

like girls can just be on boats, like I want

36:37

to be on a boat.

36:38

They're just on a boat. That's very true. Yeah, but

36:40

then like we're forced into oral sex stand

36:42

so it's not.

36:43

That great, right the

36:45

bit or Yeah, a friend who's hotter just

36:47

make her do it right.

36:51

The case of me.

36:52

Shout out to our hotter friends. Thanks for giving those

36:55

girl, Thank you for taking that heat. You taking

36:57

that pipe? Damn

37:01

all right? Uh do you

37:03

have do you want to do it?

37:04

Dan? I think I think

37:06

they texted me. They're on there, so I think we'll save it. It's more

37:08

appropriate for not a not man momth okay,

37:10

perfect, All right, guys. We're very excited for

37:13

our guests this evening

37:15

this day. One is a stand up comedian

37:17

with his stand up special Mother of the Year, which is now

37:19

available on YouTube. The other is also

37:21

a stand up comedian with a special Don't be yourself.

37:24

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show. Dugie

37:27

and Mark Normand I

37:35

can't tell you

37:37

how love me.

37:40

I can't tell you if

37:44

you don't.

37:46

Understand. But I don't

37:49

thank.

37:49

You,

37:52

no line and then what

38:01

stalk me?

38:08

Just say

38:12

thank you?

38:12

And by.

38:18

Lot sound love just

38:20

time? Oh God?

38:23

Do that song in

38:25

Loder.

38:28

Eh go on to.

38:31

I Still Love you?

38:34

Then wanting, I

38:37

still want you, don't

38:40

want? Please?

38:42

Please let me take my name? And

38:45

I

38:53

think.

38:53

They all right,

38:55

guys, we are here with Dunkey and Mark Norman.

38:58

I'm so excited. To have you boy.

38:59

Ye here we

39:02

were talking before the mice chromos

39:05

referencing like a petty, like common prank that women

39:07

would do of like when you're in high school and you're like,

39:09

do you like Stephanie and the girls

39:11

like no, and then Stephanie there was a three way call like

39:13

Stephanie's on the line, and it made me want to ask you,

39:15

guys, do guys.

39:16

Do ship that that? That's that petty either

39:18

in middle school or in your adult life.

39:20

No, it's a lot more direct. Yeah,

39:24

I hate my sister.

39:27

Yeah, a lot of that stuff you'd get tackled.

39:30

Yeah, you know, there wasn't a ton of this manipulative.

39:33

Yeah, it wasn't like a prank,

39:36

but like that's how we asked each other out in

39:38

middle school was like your friend

39:40

would call your home, phoney,

39:42

will you go out with with?

39:45

Or something like a representative of call.

39:46

But you guys hated that, right

39:49

what that represents?

39:51

I was. I was psyched at

39:54

lunch. We didn't exchange any words.

39:56

A little bit of your.

39:59

No, this is middle school.

40:00

I was just like, I have a girlfriend, I don't know what to do.

40:02

We not at each other at the lockers.

40:04

Yeah, but I also

40:07

have this. Oh I love awkward fingers. I

40:11

like fingering.

40:12

I don't know that I like awkward thing. I

40:14

like it because it was the introduction to like fingering,

40:16

you know what I mean? So like the singer being down there,

40:19

fingering was in your in the cards a little

40:21

later, right.

40:22

Not in the vagina. I

40:24

thought the vagina was right here. Yeah,

40:26

I thought it was like in the front, like

40:28

a dick. I was so clueless.

40:31

Well, I mean, of course you would grow up going, well, you guys

40:33

have what I remember the first time when I was a kid that I saw

40:35

penis and I was like, what the fuck

40:38

is that?

40:38

It started? Were you startled when you first

40:41

saw vagina?

40:41

Yes, I mean I was still started the first time I saw a

40:44

big penis.

40:46

Like that was still?

40:51

When was the first time you saw a big penis, like

40:53

an adult penis when you.

40:54

Were Yeah, said

40:58

a huge, huge, like

41:02

the first time of your child.

41:04

God, we cleared that up, wit. Who was the big day?

41:06

Was your dad? Yeah?

41:09

The first stick a guy see, dad's usually

41:11

right, but still and the first stick of girl

41:13

see is a lot.

41:14

Yeah.

41:14

Actually, I mean, but if you don't

41:17

have if you're not living in a mansion as I was

41:19

not, like.

41:19

Sometimes you're just gonna yeah to the wrong door

41:21

at the wrong time. Was the first vagina you guys saw

41:23

your mom's No, because.

41:25

Vaginas are hard. Yeah,

41:29

unless you're in the shower and you get a good look.

41:31

Yeah, unless you're in the shower

41:34

shower.

41:36

I showered with my dad. I remember when I

41:38

was like a little little like four or five. I was like, what's

41:40

that thing hanging between your legs? He's like, I don't

41:42

know, And I was like, what the fuck, dude, don't fucking

41:44

play.

41:44

Me like that. Then I see

41:47

it. Did you speak back gas lit? Because

41:50

it's just right there I should have. Yes, it was eye

41:52

level first vagina.

41:53

I think it was the first.

41:54

I mean it's probably porn, oh okay,

41:56

yeah, but up close was probably

41:59

magazines like Internet.

42:00

I was like, not Internet porn, because you were we

42:02

we kind of escape that, which, honestly, I feel

42:04

very lucky about it.

42:06

I'm sure as a man.

42:07

Like that totally changes your

42:09

view of women, because when I watch too much porn,

42:12

everyone's just a fuck toy walking around,

42:14

Like I can't imagine what men, how

42:16

men reinterpret human women

42:18

after watching a lot of porn.

42:20

Yeah, yeah, but I think a lot of it.

42:21

Like, I don't know younger generations, I feel

42:23

like they're just growing up with it where it's becoming normal.

42:26

That's a problem.

42:29

Yeah, death grip.

42:30

It's fun, but it's problem.

42:33

You don't get sick of porn ever.

42:34

I used to be really really into porn in college

42:37

and then I just then year by year, I

42:39

just got more and more disinterested because the

42:41

thing and.

42:42

Over again became like not even for pleasures,

42:44

like just I got to go to bed. Yeah,

42:47

it was a nightly routine, not

42:49

like a kink.

42:50

Kind of porn.

42:51

You guys like by damage,

42:54

It just changes, it evolves the

42:56

season.

42:57

Porn is school as you find ship you didn't know you like, right,

43:00

Oh, yes, scenario in the

43:02

fifties. I don't think I had that. Nobody

43:04

is like I guess I like anal kiddling

43:07

or whatever. Yeah, no, whatever

43:09

shows up, soup of the day, you know, really this

43:11

homepage super Yeah.

43:13

I don't search. I don't go to a search bar. Wow,

43:15

I don't either go

43:18

to a few pages deep.

43:19

What catches your eye?

43:22

Body?

43:25

Two guys interesting?

43:27

Yeah, I like I

43:30

like a girl who looks like when you know, that's

43:33

always fun because you want to get as

43:35

personal as possible.

43:36

Yeah.

43:37

Yeah, we talked about it is hotter

43:39

to masturbate to somebody that you know.

43:41

Oh yeah, but I guess I was going

43:43

to say, in your mind.

43:44

But also I guess if you find a porn with a person that looks

43:46

like them, yeah, that's that.

43:49

Women like celebrities that look like them.

43:51

I have noticed a reoccurring trend with that.

43:54

Oh yeah.

43:54

All the celebrities I like are like have the same

43:56

like skin tone and hair colors.

43:58

And every girl EVE ever been with that's entertained a

44:00

three way has the criteria

44:02

was had to look like her.

44:04

I love this. See it's not just me everyone.

44:06

Yeah, She's like it's got to be. I'm like, what kind of girl do

44:08

you like?

44:09

She's like kind of like me, which I think because it's

44:11

like the least amount of removed from

44:13

because if.

44:13

It's something different that she doesn't have. Oh,

44:16

I was like, that seems like an insecurity tactic. I was

44:18

like, mine's par narcissism.

44:19

Okay.

44:21

I was like, mine was like cold, just so I can make

44:23

my dream of fucking myself come true, which

44:25

is a completely different. I understand

44:27

what you're saying that because I was like, wow, okay,

44:29

okay, that makes sense. Yeah interesting,

44:32

But that that that, to me, is actually the most

44:34

dangerous approach for a woman because if

44:36

a guy is likely, the guy is most

44:38

likely to fall in love with someone like who

44:41

Like, he has a type, right, so if you introduce

44:43

a similar type, what if she's better in bed,

44:45

more likable? That is dangerous. I would go complete

44:48

officite. It's like interesting

44:50

for the guy, but not like his actual

44:53

type. Like this weekend, I was having a conversation

44:55

with my guy friend's comics dirt

44:57

bag people, and they were like,

45:00

I could never take living with a natural

45:02

blonde.

45:03

Seriously, are these the kind

45:05

of discussions you guys have.

45:07

I don't get it.

45:07

What does that mean?

45:08

They were like, I could never I've never dated

45:10

a natural blonde for more than a few months.

45:13

Yeah, I think that's just a personal.

45:15

You know, two random guys that, like,

45:17

two different guys from two different walks of life both.

45:20

Had that these guys are gay.

45:22

Wait do they just not they're not attracted to blonde?

45:24

No, they are attracted to them.

45:25

They said they can't take them seriously,

45:28

it's like long term partners.

45:30

WHOA. I was like, what that's like an

45:32

old.

45:32

I definitely transition from uh

45:34

from liking blondes to brunette's uh

45:36

huh like in my twenties, for sure

45:39

the least controversial transition.

45:41

Yes, yes it is, But

45:43

was there like what was? Was there more to

45:45

it in your mind than just like I like this

45:48

now?

45:48

I like that know what it was?

45:49

I think I started getting into more like I

45:51

don't know, Like we just talked about porn categories like latina

45:54

and I'm like, oh, okay, burnettes

45:56

are yeah, little curves and a lot of the blonds

45:59

weren't cutting it time, right, Yeah.

46:01

Well cardboard butts, cardboard

46:03

booty. What everyone's evolved, right, and

46:06

what you want to evolves?

46:08

Yeah, the kind of woman that makes you horny of all

46:10

the kind of man that the kind.

46:11

Of situation evolves. True,

46:13

which is kind of fun.

46:14

You know, I still

46:16

like kids, but

46:19

you know, when you're married, Yeah,

46:22

when you're married, you're like, look at that stool.

46:24

Yeah, because everything different is hot.

46:26

Yeah that's so funn Yeah.

46:27

I was talking to a married comic at

46:29

Skankfest and he was telling me, yeah,

46:32

being married does make you kind of want to fuck everyone.

46:34

Oh nightmare.

46:35

Okay, So yeah, your mark, you're married since

46:37

last time we interviewed many years ago, and now

46:40

you want to fuck stools?

46:41

Yeah, well you always wanted to couches,

46:44

you can't stools.

46:45

You're like, yeah,

46:48

is that a cushion top? Oh boy? You know so

46:51

yeah, that's just how it goes.

46:53

How do you how do you? How do you tame that?

46:55

Because for some reason, like I

46:57

don't as horny as I am, Like, when

46:59

I'm with somebody that I really like, I almost

47:02

wish I would attract other people.

47:04

I'm annoyingly not. But if I

47:06

was, I don't that would be hard to handle. Yeah,

47:08

that would be tough.

47:10

It was tough in the beginning because you know, I

47:12

was so not used to that. So I had to do

47:14

the same where I chant, I channel all that

47:16

horniness to her. Yeah, so she

47:18

gets really beaten up plows.

47:21

Yeah, It's it's like a Rihanna

47:23

video.

47:24

You know, I'm just just raining everywhere Chris

47:26

browning her. Oh yeah yeah,

47:29

not really hitting her. I

47:31

mean we know you're not.

47:33

Yeah, people are dumb listening.

47:35

Yeah.

47:36

Yeah, funny how that works?

47:39

Well.

47:39

So this is our last episode of Masculinity bunth

47:41

and I wanted to ask each of you, like, how

47:44

has your relationship, what is your opinion on

47:46

masculinity and you're in your experiences

47:48

with it, like what what is your opinion of masculinity?

47:51

And what type of man would you say you are?

47:54

Yikes, I usually don't even get called a man.

47:56

Yeah, I have my mother's

47:59

hands. I don't know.

48:01

No, I think it's like they

48:03

say toxic mexiculinated. That's the term that's obviously

48:06

way more prevalent now, but it truly

48:08

is when it's like when the guys are like, you

48:10

know, the Oakley Sunglass guys are like, you

48:13

know, I don't know. I can't get

48:15

down with like the.

48:18

I don't know. I just don't.

48:19

It's not important to me, like being

48:21

a good boyfriend, being a good partner, being good dad, Like that's

48:23

masculinity.

48:24

It's not. It's not like how much

48:26

you can bend, sure you know what you believe?

48:29

How much can you bunch a lot?

48:31

Right? Man's

48:34

man? All right? I

48:36

do value weightlifting?

48:38

Were you taught anything about masculinity? Like

48:41

where's your dad? Like, son, a man does

48:43

this? Because my mom never was like a woman

48:45

does this. We would hear a lady does this, but

48:48

that was always like stop, don't be a whore.

48:49

That was the tone of that.

48:51

Yeah, No, I definitely had a lot of that. Hey

48:53

you're a man, suck it up.

48:54

Be a man. Here's a big one. Yeah, be a man.

48:57

But that was about it.

48:59

You know, you got to provide, you gotta protect a

49:01

woman, you gotta open the door, all that. I'm from the South,

49:04

all that chivalry shit, you know, growing

49:06

up, which is tough because I think a lot of ladies

49:09

won't admit this, but they

49:12

talk about toxic masculinity men or ship

49:14

whatever. But I think a lot of women like men

49:18

men, you know. Like a friend of mine,

49:20

she's like, I dated a guy who got pegged

49:22

and I couldn't see him the same after

49:24

that. And I'm like, oh, that's kind of fucked up,

49:26

but I get it.

49:27

See that's my kind of guy. I'm like, yeah,

49:30

guy who's just yes, who's open like.

49:32

You like that? Yes, so not even submissive, just

49:34

open to it.

49:35

Yeah, even if he did, even if he fucking hated

49:37

it, the fact that he tried it, I'm like, that's sexy

49:40

and we could do like weird shit together.

49:42

Later if we wanted to.

49:43

Interesting.

49:43

That's what that says to me.

49:45

Yeah, my ex girlfriend's like, if you ever blew

49:47

a guy, we'd be done.

49:49

Real. Yeah, that's her,

49:52

that's a parameter thing. That's

49:55

a conversation you needed to have.

49:57

Yeah, I was looking, I was at

49:59

rest, it was over. It

50:01

was like a drunk conversation that it was just shooting

50:03

the ship.

50:04

And it came up well because I did a pretty

50:06

like typical man's man and I remember

50:08

on one of our first dates, he told me that

50:11

he got a blow job, like

50:14

kind of randomly from a trans woman,

50:16

and I thought, I thought it was so cool that he felt

50:18

comfortable enough sharing that

50:20

story with me, because that story was a gamble on

50:22

like dat d yeah

50:25

fuck Yeah, you guys.

50:27

Are the right gals to tell you guys are

50:29

open sexual fun.

50:32

But I don't know about every girl.

50:33

No, but I agree with you because I'm like, I straight up

50:35

like, I'm.

50:36

Like I don't like eating

50:38

animals, but when men say they don't eat animals,

50:40

I'm like, what I

50:42

called myself out on it because a couple of convers on our

50:44

yeah, months ago, we did like kind of like a list of things

50:47

we're looking for and a guy and I was like, I want them to respect

50:49

animals but still eat their flesh.

50:52

I just won't.

50:53

Yeah.

50:54

Yeah, that's what's great about vegeta vegan or

50:56

no, no, no vegetarian. Vegetarian

50:58

tend to be pretty uh uh what's the

51:00

word cooler? Yeah, cooler, But like

51:03

other activists, you have to

51:05

be exactly like I am, but vegetarian instead to

51:07

be pretty forgiving.

51:09

Yeah, you do it, you do your thing.

51:10

I'll do mine well because you just it's just

51:12

about, like I think, getting more people interested

51:15

in caring about animals. Even today, someone was like, I

51:17

was talking about animal rights and someone was like, have you.

51:19

Gone vegan yet?

51:20

And I was like no, because you you're the type

51:22

of person who's vegan and everyone hates you and people

51:24

know. Like I'm like, I'm working on, like, you know, having

51:26

people use mascara that wasn't tested on a

51:28

pig. That's step one before you stop

51:31

eating bacon. Like I'm not, I'm not trying to push.

51:33

You can't.

51:33

You can't expect people to take eighteen steps.

51:36

Sure immediately, it's just not gonna happen.

51:38

Like, you have to be realistic about the change you.

51:40

Want to see.

51:41

You're here.

51:41

Yeah, so you guys have both each done a

51:43

pretty adult thing.

51:45

Mark you got married, Doug, you're

51:47

expecting a bait.

51:48

I'm expecting a child.

51:51

You're entering this new stage of your life. You've entered

51:53

this new stage of your life. Like I wanted

51:55

to ask each of you, like Mark, like

51:57

with marriage, what did you have any expectations?

51:59

Like guys think about a wedding Like I'm

52:02

always every time I talk to a couple and they're getting

52:04

married, like, the guy's like, I don't know whatever she wants

52:07

to do, and then the woman does the thing.

52:08

But I'm like, you got no say.

52:10

I mean, if you literally don't have a preference,

52:12

then that's one thing. But if he did have a preference and she's

52:14

ignoring it, that's another thing.

52:15

So no, it was it was an issue. I was

52:17

like, I don't really get

52:19

marriage.

52:20

I put it.

52:21

I put it on the tables, like, I don't really get it. You

52:23

want to do it.

52:23

I think it's antiquated and a little silly

52:26

to bring the government into this and sign paperwork

52:28

and everybody gets fucked in the end usually

52:30

and fifty percent don't work.

52:32

But that's fair.

52:34

I love you, it makes.

52:36

You happy, YadA YadA, I'll do it,

52:38

but I'm not I'm not doing the wedding.

52:39

It's all you. Yeah, is that how you proposed?

52:42

I was all on one day and she

52:44

was like, okay, kind

52:47

of bummer because I think everybody wants the fairy tale shit

52:50

and uh, but this is.

52:51

Who you like.

52:52

You gotta be, Yeah, he gotta be you.

52:54

And so she was like, all right,

52:56

I'll and you know, in that moment, she was kind

52:58

of like, I'll do everything, no worry about because

53:00

you know, dorphins are going and all that. So she

53:02

did the wedding and she killed it.

53:04

It was a great wedding photo. Yeah,

53:09

very cool. I think, what what

53:11

what do you like about marriage?

53:12

What do you dislike about marriage?

53:14

Well?

53:14

This might be controversial,

53:17

but I think, uh, when

53:19

you marry. When I married her, she just

53:22

chilled. I think a lot of ladies can be

53:24

high strung, and she just like chilled. You're

53:27

lockdown.

53:28

Yeah, I'm good.

53:29

My friends don't make fun of anymore. I

53:32

pulled something off. I can, I

53:34

can relax.

53:36

How long were you dating before you got married?

53:38

Seven years?

53:42

Just like your friends are making fun of you seven

53:45

years, seven years ago.

53:47

Yeah, I'm not against marriage.

53:49

You're not married, but you're married.

53:51

Yeah, expecting, But I think I'm not against marriage.

53:53

I'm against like the traditional sequence of marriage,

53:56

like I do. This is controversial too, but I feel

53:58

like we should have kids to determine and if

54:00

you can spend the rest of your life with somebody,

54:02

that's a great, that's a great. Well here's the thing

54:04

you just said. Marriage ends in fifty percent

54:06

divorce, right, I think it's sixty. But it's

54:08

like, yes, you have I think

54:10

you have a kid first. Right, if that kid tears you apart,

54:12

like a lot of you know, kids just break

54:15

up, then you know you're not the product of

54:17

a divorce. You're like the product of a civil break

54:19

up.

54:20

I will say, yeah, my brother has I have

54:22

a nephew who's eight now, and him and

54:24

his baby mama. For the first year they were

54:26

together, they fought, look like hell, they were never

54:28

married, and then they broke up and they're the best co

54:30

parents ever. Both they both

54:32

date other people and they love hearing about it, and

54:34

they're like really good friends. And I'm like this, right, you

54:37

function better than a married couple right now.

54:40

Court dates, no, no, none of that

54:42

stuff.

54:42

They're happy for each other. I'm like, damn, this

54:44

kid has two very happy parents that love very

54:46

much.

54:47

Or if you have a kid and it brings you closer together

54:49

and like like your love

54:51

transcends to this new level, then you can get

54:53

married.

54:54

Now your kick can be part of the wedding. Oh yeah,

54:56

yeah, yeah exactly, we have it backwards.

54:58

Did you have a kid on purpose? Was it an o?

55:00

It was an oopsie? But it was a very an

55:02

emotion. Yeah, it's very quick.

55:04

Yeah, I know, I'm when a woman's in our thirties.

55:06

She's like, ah, I guess.

55:10

Yeah older, And I

55:12

was like, it's part of the mid twenties.

55:14

Yeah, I was like yeah are you yeah,

55:17

okay.

55:17

Yeah, but and she has

55:20

endometriosis, so she didn't even think she could conceive

55:22

a child, like so.

55:23

Many stories of women who couldn't have kids

55:26

and they all have had like a miracle

55:28

baby.

55:28

Well she assumed, but it's not like we tried, like, yeah,

55:31

you're just doing it right. So it was like she

55:33

thinks this could be a miracle baby. I'm getting older,

55:35

so I'm like, let's just keep it. Yeah

55:38

he's gonna be yeah, honestly,

55:40

Yeah, we did have the conversation of like what you do every

55:43

time it got to the should

55:46

we she would get emotional start crying,

55:48

and I was like, that was the Yes, that was the

55:50

answer.

55:50

Yeah, her getting emotional what we talked about.

55:52

But had you talked about having a kid before the

55:55

oopsie?

55:56

We didn't talk about it, But like I knew that she would

55:58

be the one that I want to have kids with.

56:00

That's such a manly I just like

56:02

just my psychic

56:04

connection.

56:05

I didn't have a conversation with my long term

56:07

partner. What qualities make her the one you would

56:09

have a kid with?

56:10

We have had similar upbringings, types

56:13

of parents. Yeah, you know, I

56:16

don't want to say like emotionally

56:18

absent, but.

56:19

That yeah, we understand.

56:22

Yeah, yeah, you're like war buddies in a way

56:24

kind of Yeah.

56:25

Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.

56:26

Compatibility the most important things.

56:28

Very important. And also how you fight. I

56:31

didn't learn that until I was older. I'm like, oh, you have

56:33

to like fight, not necessarily like shouting,

56:35

but like when you argue with each other, that has to be

56:37

like a good dance.

56:39

Oh, she's so tame. Like everything's very irrational.

56:41

Wow, Like my ex girlfriend is very irrational,

56:44

you know, jealous, there's a lot of like trust

56:47

issues and there's none here.

56:48

Wow, that's nice.

56:51

Yeah, she's great.

56:53

When we first started dating, she's like, I don't think i'd be mad if

56:55

you slept with somebody.

56:55

Else whoa nobody's

56:58

ever since you get married.

56:59

Please include that in about beautiful.

57:02

Because the

57:05

rules are a little different. Now.

57:08

Was it a crazy moment when she took the test?

57:10

I had a pregnancy scare only once, uh,

57:12

not that long ago, and like telling my

57:14

boyfriend it was like really, I'm like, oh my

57:16

god, I never said these words to a boyfriend.

57:19

Is weird? Like strange?

57:21

We were.

57:22

I was on the road and I came back and

57:24

as soon as I walked in, she was just like ghost

57:27

face and she was just like, I'm pregnant, Like

57:29

it was a sad It wasn't.

57:30

Like a happy thing.

57:32

Okay, yeah, because

57:34

she thought that I was going to immediately just be like

57:36

abortion, get rid of it.

57:37

So she was probing because she thought that I was going to be like upset.

57:41

Do we need to call her? I

57:43

can't imagine. I can't imagine

57:45

being scared of you. You're such a nice guy.

57:48

I think she was just scared because she wanted in

57:50

her head, like to keep it and

57:52

if.

57:52

You want enthusiastic about it, she was

57:54

never My initial response was going to be what

57:57

was.

57:57

What was your what was the first thing that popped in your head? When

57:59

she said that, it was.

58:01

Kind of like, all right, let's sit down and talk about

58:03

it. It's like, yeah, we're very objective

58:05

and you know that's logic. Great, we had

58:07

to You're gonna be great parents.

58:09

Damn.

58:09

Oh yeah, objective and logical. A

58:12

people get that these days.

58:13

Yeah, it's true. So I'm

58:15

excited. Yeah two weeks.

58:17

Oh so, like, what kind of preparation have you done?

58:20

Moved back home with her parents temporarily?

58:25

Wait?

58:25

Are her parents cool?

58:26

Oh? So cool? Yeah?

58:27

We were living in Brooklyn and the rent was just insane

58:29

and I want I want to buy a house. So we're

58:31

like living with them temporarily. So I'm I'm

58:34

shopping right now up in New England.

58:35

Best babysitters are the parents, Oh yeah,

58:38

christ like you don't have to feel guilty about that,

58:40

like, and they love to be around a baby.

58:42

She's from a Portuguese family and so yeah,

58:46

like the tatia is the whole thing.

58:48

My best friend does Portuguese actually just had a baby,

58:50

her second baby today, So

58:53

I was like, that's amazing, all right, yeah,

58:56

did you read any.

58:56

Books the

58:58

ones made of felt?

59:00

No like books on my hat

59:02

first time dad change.

59:04

You know what.

59:04

I haven't.

59:05

But I'm also just telling

59:07

myself that no amount of preparation

59:09

can prepare you.

59:10

Wow, that's my use for notating.

59:13

Yeah, I watched TikTok.

59:15

I mean, you

59:17

know, yeah everything. Do you want kids?

59:19

Mark? Yeah?

59:20

Oh yeah, I think so.

59:21

Oh nice.

59:21

I think we're slowly coursing him.

59:24

Yeah.

59:25

Yeah.

59:26

Have you held a baby like a newborn?

59:28

I have, but I didn't like it.

59:32

To me, it's just a liability.

59:41

At your wedding, when I saw you playing with your niece, you're playing pool,

59:44

you were like.

59:44

Well, you look like a dad.

59:45

A niece I can do. She's six, you know,

59:47

she's got a personality. We can have a conversation. But

59:49

the baby is just a big lump of

59:52

nothing that you could kill very

59:54

easy.

59:55

Yeah. So I think that's.

59:57

Normal that my mom said. She's like, babies are kind

59:59

of boring. She like, on once they talk, it's amazing.

1:00:02

That's not even a crazy I don't think to say

1:00:04

it.

1:00:04

Can only go bad. There's not a lot of upside for

1:00:06

holding a baby.

1:00:07

To me, Well, I

1:00:09

guess your camp burst to skin

1:00:12

connection and and and unless bond that

1:00:14

you're forming with your child.

1:00:15

Yeah, I never had that.

1:00:17

No, well it's not necessary for the baby.

1:00:20

How is your upbringing?

1:00:21

Mark? Like our parents

1:00:23

emotionally present?

1:00:25

Yeah, I think they're workaholics.

1:00:26

They're very waspy, you know, just like military

1:00:29

parent like oh yeah yeah, shut

1:00:31

up, go to work, look forward.

1:00:34

Yeah, uh, don't emote. And

1:00:36

then uh, they were they were never

1:00:38

around. So it was just with my own devices,

1:00:40

you know. And I had a big transvestite

1:00:43

nanny who took care of us, and that

1:00:45

was like my He taught me how to fight.

1:00:50

With a with a with a wig on. It's a

1:00:52

whole crazy story. Nice.

1:00:53

Yeah, uh so I learned most things

1:00:56

from him. Wow yeah yeah.

1:00:58

Are you still in contact with that Jamah?

1:01:00

He died and he was killed

1:01:02

in a sexual encounter because the guy

1:01:04

thought it was a woman.

1:01:05

Oh honestly, yeah,

1:01:07

that goes with the staff very yeah,

1:01:09

very calm.

1:01:10

And that's the reason.

1:01:12

So yeah,

1:01:15

yeah, but yeah, crazy.

1:01:17

When was the last time either of you guys cried?

1:01:19

And why oh

1:01:21

boy, let's see.

1:01:25

You crying after the way a period

1:01:30

for me, so you can track it and like write down the

1:01:32

reason. Just so we can know what's going on

1:01:34

a little.

1:01:34

Yeah, we need one of those like factory things.

1:01:37

Like last time you cry, yeah,

1:01:40

I think for me it was during the movie Inside

1:01:43

Out.

1:01:43

That is a wonderful movie. My

1:01:46

god. So

1:01:48

you haven't cried in years?

1:01:50

Literally?

1:01:51

Are you serious?

1:01:53

I guess have like soul blue balls.

1:01:56

Maybe I need to.

1:01:57

But yeah, yeah, what

1:01:59

do you they call it when you

1:02:01

don't have sex celibate?

1:02:07

Maybe I I'd like to.

1:02:08

Yeah, crying cathartic as hell. It's

1:02:11

like jizzing from your from your soul.

1:02:12

It does. It feels that the system.

1:02:14

Yeah, and it's just like it feels so nice

1:02:16

afterwards. It's like you just had sex, but not

1:02:19

as fun.

1:02:19

But I cried when I went through a break up and

1:02:21

when my grandmother died.

1:02:23

That was the last time you cried? How long ago we

1:02:25

were talking.

1:02:27

Like a year and a half ago.

1:02:28

Was to go full year without

1:02:30

crying.

1:02:32

So I'm a big I've been a big crier of the past

1:02:34

couple of years for certain events.

1:02:36

But like before that, I wasn't a big crier. But

1:02:38

I mean I would cry more than once

1:02:41

a.

1:02:41

Year, crying to you, like

1:02:43

full blown.

1:02:45

Tearing, you know, like watching a video of

1:02:47

a puppy or a.

1:02:47

Kid tearing

1:02:48

up.

1:02:50

When we were in Europe, we went to Paris, and

1:02:52

uh, I got a little choked up because my grandma always

1:02:54

wanted to take me to Perish she never did because she passed away,

1:02:57

and this one took me on tour to Europe

1:03:00

and we went on an improm trip to Paris, and I got a

1:03:02

little choked up.

1:03:03

I feel like that's a very manly reason to

1:03:05

cry, like something like level

1:03:07

of sentimentality.

1:03:08

Yeah. Yeah, but it was like, you know, it was a

1:03:10

moment.

1:03:11

Yeah, it wasn't like love a moment, yeah,

1:03:13

big moment.

1:03:14

Well, Paris, it's so romantic, romantic.

1:03:17

It was so beautiful. Wow. You so

1:03:20

you didn't cry when you found you're a baby. You didn't cry on your

1:03:22

wedding day or when you proposed.

1:03:23

Because it was like a conversation. It wasn't like,

1:03:25

uh, yeah, wow, I'm gonna

1:03:27

cry probably.

1:03:28

When your baby is let

1:03:31

us know. If you cry, I'll record it,

1:03:33

okay, yeah yeah yeah.

1:03:34

I'll put it on your Patreon or something that

1:03:38

could be a good girl wow jerking off the

1:03:40

guys cry Well, my ex girlfriend was mad because

1:03:42

I couldn't cry during sex. She's like, I want you to

1:03:44

cry.

1:03:44

Okay, but whoa, that's frightened

1:03:47

man, notebook. No, no,

1:03:50

oh my gosh.

1:03:51

She wanted like staring in the eyes.

1:03:53

She wanted to orchestrate that, like she wanted to force

1:03:55

that.

1:03:55

Yes.

1:03:56

I told her I wasn't capable of it, and she thought it was

1:03:58

like a sociopaths.

1:04:01

Yeah, projected, She's

1:04:04

that sociopathic. That's fucking

1:04:06

weird. I've never heard that.

1:04:07

I understand like emotional deep connection, which I

1:04:09

always had.

1:04:11

Have you, Okay, there

1:04:14

is a big crier.

1:04:15

Dre and I when I was in high school would have sex in

1:04:17

the back of his mini man van in a fucking alley

1:04:19

way in high school to like fucking cold

1:04:21

play and just cry.

1:04:23

We really we just.

1:04:24

Loved each other so much and he was a very

1:04:27

sweet guy and we yeah, we cried a lot,

1:04:30

okay, okay, just.

1:04:31

Like there was like a period where it was just we

1:04:33

were so connected to it.

1:04:34

Imagine walking by that mini van and being

1:04:36

like, does a girl getting.

1:04:42

Fuck?

1:04:42

Yeah?

1:04:43

I feel like those are two different centers of the brain that

1:04:45

just should work independently from each other totally.

1:04:48

And like the moments that you cried during sex, like it's

1:04:50

usually just because you're overwhelmed by the connectedness

1:04:52

and that that hasn't happened high

1:04:54

school.

1:04:55

Beautiful moment if you can both

1:04:57

do it.

1:04:58

I cried after more is like

1:05:00

a like a like a release for like a like

1:05:02

a very meaningful sex.

1:05:04

But ye opposite.

1:05:06

No, No,

1:05:09

years and years ago, I did cry during sex because

1:05:11

like it wasn't it was like consensual,

1:05:13

but just like I was like, this doesn't feel right, and like

1:05:15

I kind of wanted it to feel right.

1:05:17

Maybe kind of a thing. Oh yeah, I get

1:05:19

really emotional.

1:05:20

This sounds like a I sound like a lunatic,

1:05:23

but like the thing that bothers me most is when someone

1:05:25

treats you really nicely and really

1:05:28

and wants to be your boyfriend and you are

1:05:30

trying to make yourself like them

1:05:33

and you just.

1:05:34

Don't felt that. I

1:05:36

cry. I've cried over that probably more than any

1:05:38

other dynamic.

1:05:40

Yeah, because the guy's so sweet and he just yeah,

1:05:42

I have tried for there are certain there's a couple

1:05:45

one mainly like that. I've tried to like make

1:05:47

it work for years because I'm like, he treats

1:05:49

me so nicely, he loves me so much.

1:05:51

I would have such a good life.

1:05:52

But I'm like, well, I wouldn't have a good life because I don't

1:05:55

You're not gone there,

1:05:58

right?

1:05:58

Do you ever feel that?

1:05:59

Have you ever felt that with women like previously,

1:06:02

like they like you so much?

1:06:03

Is that not a guy thing?

1:06:05

Like you like you want to let them down

1:06:07

easy?

1:06:08

Well, letting down easy. That's the thing that we've been

1:06:10

talking about a lot on this show.

1:06:12

Guys don't like doing that. Guys don't like don't women.

1:06:14

Guys hate when women cry? Yes,

1:06:17

why why?

1:06:18

But I feel like you don't cry about just

1:06:20

being honest and just yeah,

1:06:24

it's the truth.

1:06:24

And they will handle it, you know, even if we cry,

1:06:27

it's fine, like it, that's our

1:06:29

responsibility to handle it. Like with guy friends when

1:06:31

they're like talking like bad about their girlfriends and they obviously

1:06:33

want out of the relationship. I'm always like, give her the

1:06:35

gift of giving her that time back so

1:06:37

she can find someone who likes her. Like

1:06:40

it's gonna hurt in the moment, but just pull the band

1:06:42

aid off.

1:06:43

Like it's not kind.

1:06:45

And but then Mike is like, he's like, we're not doing it

1:06:47

to save your feelings.

1:06:48

We're doing it because like we are. Yet we

1:06:50

don't want to go through the pain of the breakup.

1:06:52

For us, it's like a pain in the ass and

1:06:55

it's rough.

1:06:56

You'd rather stay in a ship relationship,

1:06:58

but there's nothing more suffocating.

1:07:01

Yeah.

1:07:02

When I was when I first moved to City, I was like

1:07:04

twenty six and I was dating this twenty two year olds

1:07:06

like two months, and I was like head over heels in love with

1:07:08

her, okay, And I remember she was

1:07:10

like she just got back from a trip and

1:07:12

she's like, hey, let's meet at this bar.

1:07:14

And I was like all right. And we met at the bar and

1:07:16

she was like, hey, I could tell her like

1:07:19

do you.

1:07:19

Always know when your about And I was like yeah, I

1:07:21

know. And I was like, hey, but you're in your head. You're trying

1:07:23

to do everything to counteract it.

1:07:24

You die.

1:07:26

We should play a trip, let's go to Bambas, Yeah, maybe her

1:07:28

parents.

1:07:30

Yeah.

1:07:31

And she's just like I don't think this is

1:07:33

She's like this is going to work out.

1:07:36

You're much older than I am.

1:07:37

It was.

1:07:39

Yeah, yeah, And I was

1:07:42

so hurt that I got up and

1:07:44

left the bar.

1:07:45

You didn't say anything.

1:07:46

I didn't say anything, but years later I saw

1:07:48

her on like people you made out on Facebook. I

1:07:50

sent her message and I was just like, I

1:07:52

was like, hey, uh, I'm so sorry.

1:07:55

I got up and left.

1:07:55

Like what you did was like the most

1:07:58

courageous thing you could do as a twenty two year old girl,

1:08:00

to like tell me to your face, tell me to my face.

1:08:03

I was just like, hey, thanks for doing that.

1:08:04

Was nice.

1:08:05

Ever since that i've been did she write I break

1:08:07

up the women into the face, don't ever contact

1:08:10

me again. I hate you.

1:08:12

No, she was like, after all these years, I can't believe remember

1:08:14

that. She was like, no hard feelings, blah blah blah.

1:08:17

It's very sweet that you did that.

1:08:18

But because you don't know until that happens to you,

1:08:21

sure that it feels better to be like, oh, I'm glad

1:08:23

I didn't waste my time.

1:08:24

It stings, but.

1:08:25

Yeah, break up sting. Yeah.

1:08:27

I asked a girl out on the phone.

1:08:30

I danced with her at a sock cop and

1:08:32

I was like, she's the one. I was probably

1:08:34

like sixteen or fifteen, was one.

1:08:37

She was so pretty. I was so into her. She was

1:08:39

so cool, and I

1:08:42

called her and I was so nervous. I had my dad

1:08:44

sit with me and

1:08:46

he was like, you got this. You got this and

1:08:50

I called her and I was like, hey, I just wonder if you wanted

1:08:52

to go to a movie sometime. And she was

1:08:54

like, oh, you know, I got

1:08:56

a lot going on. I said, I get it.

1:08:57

I get it.

1:08:59

You know I hate movie.

1:09:00

And I hung up and I cried and my dad

1:09:02

was like, oh.

1:09:03

Come on, it was. It was pretty brutal.

1:09:05

But it hurts to be vulnerable and they get

1:09:08

rejected. Oh it's a fucking bummer.

1:09:10

But I do think it's good for you.

1:09:12

It's very good. I think more people could

1:09:14

go through that. I think the humbling.

1:09:16

Yeah, well, the bar for discomfort

1:09:19

is going so low that people

1:09:21

are like, I felt disrespected

1:09:23

at this restaurant, so they just go on a

1:09:25

fucking tirade online. And you're like,

1:09:27

that's what that's what got you this. You got

1:09:30

to save those tirades for a real moment, right,

1:09:32

you know?

1:09:32

It for me prepares you like these moment moments

1:09:34

of being vulnerable and being rejected for the entertainment

1:09:37

business. I mean, what

1:09:39

was your worst ever rejection, either romantic or

1:09:41

otherwise?

1:09:42

Oh my god, I mean it's so many, so many,

1:09:45

just like I've pitched. I think I've pitched nineteen shows

1:09:47

you know obviously never had one. Yeah,

1:09:50

try to get specials made.

1:09:51

We all know.

1:09:52

And then you thank God for the Internet. What were

1:09:54

we doing without podcasting and YouTube and Instagram?

1:09:56

Take it in your own hands.

1:09:57

Yeah, so the gatekeepers and they're all clue.

1:10:00

They turned down all the friends I know who are now

1:10:02

millionaires and all this shit, and so yeah,

1:10:05

I don't want to get into all that.

1:10:06

But yeah, oh yeah, no, we've we've had this very similar

1:10:08

experience.

1:10:09

The rejection is ninety nine point nine

1:10:11

to one zero point one percent.

1:10:13

So yeah, that's a big part of it.

1:10:15

Was your biggest rejection besides.

1:10:18

I want to see the biggest.

1:10:19

But I was applying for a master's program,

1:10:21

and I took all these prerequds of courses assuming I

1:10:23

was going to get into this this school. And I

1:10:25

spent like, you know, a couple thousand dollars and all

1:10:27

these like courses, and I

1:10:30

was like, all right, I should be getting that

1:10:32

acceptance letter any day now. I got a

1:10:34

wait list, and I drove

1:10:36

up to the school that day into

1:10:38

the dams of energy. Oh they were

1:10:40

they were caught guard. I'll say that they

1:10:43

were caughtf guard. And I was like, hey, I just got

1:10:45

this weight weightless letter. I just want to know what

1:10:47

this is all about.

1:10:48

I was like, you're on a weight

1:10:51

list.

1:10:51

I was. I showed some gusto, I

1:10:53

showed some tenacity, and uh, I

1:10:55

was like, yeah, I just I took all these prerecords of courses.

1:10:57

I was really banking on, you know, getting to this program.

1:11:00

And they're like, okay, well, you know the applications

1:11:02

are graded on a blah blah blah, and then like two weeks later,

1:11:05

congratulations, you've been accepted.

1:11:06

I was like, my school shooter energy.

1:11:08

Yeah.

1:11:09

Yeah, But as

1:11:11

they said that, somebody dropped out in the

1:11:13

spot.

1:11:14

But I think it was because I drove up that day.

1:11:16

I mean, you were showing that you really wanted to.

1:11:18

Yeah, but you can't apply that with love

1:11:20

because that's creepy.

1:11:21

No, you can't, right, yeah, well and

1:11:23

especially I mean like ever.

1:11:25

But the thing is, every now and then, a guy making

1:11:27

that drastic of a move for a woman

1:11:30

does work, but you know a woman does.

1:11:32

It to a guy. It's it's always psycho,

1:11:34

why we can't, why we show up.

1:11:37

I think it's also psycho for a guy to like after

1:11:39

it breaks over a guy like I read

1:11:42

love letters day after a breakup and then somebody's

1:11:44

like, don't send that. Don't send

1:11:46

that, because it's going to push her away even further. You're spilling

1:11:49

your heart too much.

1:11:50

When you got dumped and then you were Yeah.

1:11:53

I wrote like a huge, like a graph, like a novel

1:11:55

text. I just was so close to like

1:11:57

hitting send, trembling and.

1:12:00

In the text that you have to at least send it in like

1:12:02

an email email.

1:12:03

If it's going to be that long, nothing scarier

1:12:05

than receiving a long Yeah. Yeah,

1:12:08

it is unhinged for sure.

1:12:10

I also let you just you've then picture a person

1:12:12

like this, and it's like, at least go to the laptop.

1:12:15

That's my advice, is just proof free send

1:12:17

it to a friend to dwindle down a little bit.

1:12:20

The emotions dissipates a little bit, and then

1:12:22

maybe you don't want to send it.

1:12:23

You have a totally different attitude about sending it the next day.

1:12:25

Yeah, well, when you get dumped, you got to give it thirty

1:12:27

days for either like the thirty day role, like you really

1:12:29

have.

1:12:29

To do it. The thing.

1:12:30

It's different though, like if you do the

1:12:33

dumping, So that's a little.

1:12:34

Different strategy, right right, right.

1:12:38

Dorying a gun.

1:12:39

There should be a waiting period, yes, but

1:12:41

you low key want like if you break up with the guy

1:12:43

I do, look, you want them to be reaching out like bombarding

1:12:45

you, like do you if they did.

1:12:47

It with your girlfriend and I'd

1:12:49

be like, Nah, this relationship's done. But if we're seeing each

1:12:51

other and I'm like, I don't think you want to be here as

1:12:54

much as I do, so we're done, And then they

1:12:56

did that, that's the perfect opportunity

1:12:58

to do that. Yeah, Prependen, the

1:13:00

breakup happened. I think like what the reasons

1:13:02

were if if there if it was, because

1:13:04

there's like most times, like the

1:13:06

breakups that I would want to hear from the people again, or

1:13:09

like when they I broke up not because I don't love you,

1:13:11

but because you're not showing up in this way, right,

1:13:13

And I think men clearly know the difference between like

1:13:15

I'm just not into you anymore and like you're just

1:13:17

not showing up. I also think a lot of men get into

1:13:19

relationships because they're threatened by like

1:13:22

I'll just leave if you don't want to date me, and then they're like, all right, we're

1:13:24

boyfriend girlfriend And.

1:13:25

That's how that happens. Yeah, why do we have to threaten?

1:13:27

Yeah, what's up?

1:13:28

We just don't want to date.

1:13:30

There's not much there's dating

1:13:33

for the guy really emotional

1:13:35

support. I feel about marriage

1:13:38

though, I mean, like when you look into marriage, marriage

1:13:40

is really like a better business deal for like

1:13:43

these days, it's a better business deal.

1:13:44

For a man. I like, so,

1:13:47

yeah, I mean.

1:13:51

Women are just very not in your position

1:13:53

because of your income and

1:13:56

uh notoriety. But like

1:13:59

you know, and you know, in olden days, sure it's

1:14:01

like you know, women are getting a dowry and stuff,

1:14:03

but now it's just like we're basically taking

1:14:05

on a lot of free

1:14:08

household tasks that

1:14:10

we wouldn't have. But then we're both going out into

1:14:12

the work field. So but I'm not getting

1:14:15

anything else except for like the title of life, which

1:14:17

really doesn't interest me.

1:14:18

No, it's not much there. And you've got to

1:14:20

carry a baby.

1:14:22

Oh yeah yeah,

1:14:24

but that's if I wanted one. I think that

1:14:26

would be the coolest part though, That would be cool

1:14:28

because human in you what.

1:14:32

Gro that's crazy and you're

1:14:34

not you don't you're not sitting there going all right, now, grow

1:14:36

your dick, now, grow your happens.

1:14:39

I'm crazy.

1:14:40

Seeing the sonogram is like it's you see

1:14:42

the heartbeat and then you see the mouth

1:14:44

open because it takes it takes in the amniotic

1:14:47

fluid.

1:14:47

So it's like, whoa, that's

1:14:53

wild.

1:14:54

That's what I got. That's the last time I cried.

1:14:56

Sorry, there

1:14:58

has to be something baby related that me.

1:15:00

You cry.

1:15:00

Yeah, but now that men can get pregnant,

1:15:04

all right, But that's

1:15:08

why I said I'm with you. Marriage is weird. It's

1:15:10

a weird idea.

1:15:11

Wait, so but you've never gotten Oh

1:15:14

yeah, do you have a prenup?

1:15:15

I thought about it.

1:15:17

You didn't get one.

1:15:17

Nah, I'm trying to.

1:15:19

Mark you get a posting up. They're very

1:15:21

hot right now?

1:15:22

Oh really?

1:15:22

Yeah, yeah, we encourage it's a prenup, be

1:15:26

like we're married. But I actually main this out

1:15:28

his paperwork. Oh interesting, yeah, because

1:15:30

it's like if what happened to Adele and then

1:15:32

get up?

1:15:34

She got her money taken?

1:15:36

Well. I think like modern women like so there's a

1:15:38

lot of things like you know that I think maybe are not

1:15:40

beneficial to men, like you're not pulling all

1:15:42

the wool over our eyes anymore with some things.

1:15:44

But I I do think that any modern

1:15:46

woman should be very open and not at all insulted

1:15:49

by a prenup. I think it's actually crazy

1:15:51

and today to not get for anyone

1:15:53

across the board, whether you have money or not, because you don't

1:15:55

know what the future is going to hold.

1:15:56

You don't know what's going to happen.

1:15:58

What like almost like if you're like, oh, I don't

1:16:00

need a prenup, it's like you're telling me that you have No,

1:16:03

you're not.

1:16:03

You're not planning on being successful. Yeah,

1:16:06

I'm planning on being my whole

1:16:09

right.

1:16:09

It also says that I'm I don't know how to thrive.

1:16:12

Yes, yes, what are you saying you can't?

1:16:15

Like you're adults for yourself and sure

1:16:17

shelter.

1:16:18

Yeah, true, Yeah, Mark, I'm

1:16:20

intrigued by something you said. You've never gotten anything out of

1:16:22

a relationship.

1:16:23

No, I've definitely gotten stuff. But I think for the

1:16:25

most part, if a guy doesn't want to go out

1:16:27

with you, you shouldn't

1:16:30

want to go out with him because he's not gonna

1:16:32

be there.

1:16:33

Yeah.

1:16:33

Oh yeah.

1:16:34

But I think a lot of women are like, come on, what are

1:16:36

we what is this? The guy in the guy's

1:16:39

head, he's like, this is exactly how much I want

1:16:41

to give right with.

1:16:43

The listeners all the time. Why would you

1:16:45

be running out.

1:16:46

Like I don't understand, Like if this is not like

1:16:48

a challenge, You're not winning some game, You're

1:16:51

you're losing.

1:16:51

You're fortuing somebody. It's it's the unconsensual

1:16:55

dating now you know, like

1:16:58

you are not sad to his consent?

1:17:01

Have you ever Mark initiated a relationship?

1:17:03

No?

1:17:07

Have you done?

1:17:08

I have?

1:17:09

It's not like you know, you seem like you have more feminine

1:17:12

energy about.

1:17:12

Oh I do. That's why I trouble answering that masculinity

1:17:15

question.

1:17:16

Good see, like I think you have a nice amount of it because

1:17:18

you don't seem not masculine,

1:17:20

Like there are a lot of gentle masculine.

1:17:23

Like I was walking around.

1:17:25

Williamsburg like the other day and

1:17:27

I'm like, everyone can't be gay.

1:17:29

It's just that I'm reading everyone.

1:17:31

I was like, it's

1:17:33

like just statistically, all these people

1:17:35

can't be homosexuals.

1:17:37

Great, right, So physical appearance

1:17:39

and you know, societal stuff.

1:17:41

I'm very into and

1:17:43

I have been for years.

1:17:44

Like I'm dressing like Eddie

1:17:46

Izzard, Like I was like I wanted to, but

1:17:51

now Eddie Izard, now is

1:17:53

is she trans?

1:17:54

Yes?

1:17:54

Because I mean like when when she first came out, it was,

1:17:57

you know, using the word transvestite

1:17:59

but still referring to herself

1:18:02

as a he.

1:18:02

And now it's fully so it's

1:18:04

interest.

1:18:05

So it's interesting, but like has not changed the name doesn't really

1:18:07

changed appearance that much.

1:18:09

Like I saw her do a play recently and was still kind

1:18:11

of like the classic Dressed to Kill Alfit.

1:18:14

Yeah, what's her name?

1:18:16

Eddie's So you can have a female

1:18:18

Eddie? Yeah, because Eddie

1:18:20

ye for girls. Yeah, me too,

1:18:23

Ryan, that's a great that's a great.

1:18:24

One, like Murphy

1:18:28

the daughter and interest teller.

1:18:30

Oh yeah, that was a great. Uh

1:18:33

do you know are you having a boy or girl?

1:18:35

We're gonna be surprised.

1:18:36

I love that. That's what I would want to.

1:18:39

My brother did that and both my parents did

1:18:41

that with us. I did that because

1:18:43

then you're not putting anything on the kid.

1:18:45

No, you're just meeting them.

1:18:46

And some people are confusing, like what color you're you going to get

1:18:48

it blue or randomly? I don't like those colored orange.

1:18:50

I don't know.

1:18:50

Yeah, yeah, okay, the baby doesn't have a color.

1:18:52

My room was yellow because it was like we did they didn't

1:18:54

know. So it's just a what it works for anything.

1:18:57

Also, there's so many cute like gray one

1:19:00

disease with ice cream cones and giraffes, just

1:19:02

like it's all cute.

1:19:03

Yeah, it is all cute.

1:19:06

They're going to grow out of the ship anyway, every

1:19:08

two weeks.

1:19:09

Oh my god, that's

1:19:18

one of those New York Times. Yeah, so we

1:19:20

were obsessed with this.

1:19:21

Like there's a list of like thirty

1:19:23

something questions that the New York Times put out that basically

1:19:27

helps you fall in love with a partner. Oh,

1:19:31

but we want we like to go through them. And this

1:19:33

is when we haven't done on the show yet. But it's good for

1:19:35

you guys because you both have partners. So

1:19:38

the same question for both of you, named three things

1:19:40

you and your partner appear to have in common

1:19:43

that jump.

1:19:43

Out to you.

1:19:44

We're both attracted to women. Oh

1:19:47

that's what helps. That's convenient.

1:19:51

And you're the one. Yeah,

1:19:56

both have in common. Uh, we're both

1:19:59

were both like, we both like comedy.

1:20:00

Wet we met through comedy, so we

1:20:02

both She a comedian, No, she's a producers Oh

1:20:05

wow, nice.

1:20:06

Yeah, and we both like uh

1:20:09

Portuguese food.

1:20:11

Yeah, I love being

1:20:13

a man. This is yeah, these

1:20:16

these are just so like we both

1:20:18

like soup.

1:20:19

Yeah,

1:20:20

those are the face.

1:20:23

Yeah, that's great, love that you chose

1:20:25

face value things because I would be like, we both

1:20:27

want to make the world a better place.

1:20:29

We both believe that this is not the only

1:20:31

realm that we're living in.

1:20:33

I did answer earlier. So we had the similar upbringing,

1:20:35

So that's we have that.

1:20:36

That's a big one.

1:20:37

Yeah, environmental, sure, Familial,

1:20:40

yes, how about you Mark Mark struggling,

1:20:43

No.

1:20:43

He took mine.

1:20:45

I would say funny, both fun

1:20:48

funny, love, loving to laugh, love jokes,

1:20:50

love all that, and U very She's

1:20:52

very opinionated, as am I.

1:20:54

I don't get these guys who who don't

1:20:57

like a lady with an opinion. Yeah, you know,

1:20:59

which is so strange because it's like where should we eat?

1:21:01

I don't care.

1:21:03

This is so boring. I would even rather a

1:21:05

bad opinion than no opinion. Give me a qan

1:21:08

on something at least

1:21:10

entertaining. Yeah. But yeah, so

1:21:13

she's got great takes, you know, like

1:21:15

we'll watch a movie or watch the news and

1:21:17

she's like, oh this is because of this, and I'm like.

1:21:19

Oh, you ship, you're right.

1:21:20

So she's a great, great mind

1:21:22

for stuff like that, and it's really uh it's

1:21:26

some lightning.

1:21:27

Pitiad but not stubborn. Yeah,

1:21:31

sure, there's one more?

1:21:33

Oh is it three?

1:21:34

Oh?

1:21:34

Sorry sorry?

1:21:35

And then she's

1:21:37

she's.

1:21:39

Fun loving, like she's not one of the I'm

1:21:41

so sick of these every TikTok and everything's

1:21:43

like I go to bed at eight, whoa,

1:21:47

then I like a nap, I stay

1:21:49

in on Saturday. I'm like, get out of here. You

1:21:52

you know. She's like, let's do something, let's get up. She's

1:21:54

very spontaneous adventure.

1:21:56

It was her idea for the sex club. Yes,

1:22:00

I was even

1:22:03

like, I don't know about that.

1:22:06

I saw the photos. You guys looked like daddy, daddy.

1:22:09

Yeah, you got to dress up. Yeah.

1:22:11

So it wasn't like I thought you meant like a full

1:22:13

nude.

1:22:13

Literally, it was that's

1:22:16

what you did.

1:22:16

Mean Okay, we had sex in the club.

1:22:18

Yeah?

1:22:18

Did you have sex?

1:22:19

Was?

1:22:20

Yeah?

1:22:21

I was walking around awkwardly and wow, yeah,

1:22:23

it's fun.

1:22:24

They let you in single. Yeah,

1:22:27

sometimes that's a rule for sex. I don't know a single man.

1:22:29

Yeah.

1:22:29

I mean we looked at it was it was a costume party,

1:22:32

you know, I mean it was like a life shove for them.

1:22:34

We were just like, let's go see what it's all about.

1:22:36

Awkwardly, early though, it was like

1:22:38

the bartenders.

1:22:39

Were like counting the petty cash.

1:22:41

It was like nine pm, but he was there. It

1:22:44

was weird. We took mushrooms.

1:22:46

You guys went out all out.

1:22:48

I banged her in the in the like on the dance

1:22:50

floor, and a guy tapped me on the shoulder

1:22:52

and said me next, and I said no,

1:22:54

thank you, and.

1:22:56

He wanted to fuck you.

1:22:57

No to her, he was like he thought, I think she thought

1:22:59

she was just like a sex lady.

1:23:01

And and

1:23:03

then.

1:23:03

I looked at every ladies and sex so

1:23:06

that it's already you know, I'm not

1:23:08

like a public guy I've done for

1:23:10

but this is this is a club, this is this is tough, like

1:23:13

keeping a boner. You know, she's bumped over.

1:23:15

It's a lot going on and techno

1:23:17

blaring, and this.

1:23:18

Girl chains and dog collars

1:23:20

and chest harnesses.

1:23:21

It's a wacky experience. Then I get the tap. I'm

1:23:24

like, no thanks. And then I looked at my left

1:23:26

and it's an old guy just rubbing it

1:23:28

out, staring at

1:23:30

and I was like, all right, I'm out.

1:23:32

Ah, yeah, did

1:23:34

you make sure that you as like a friend, were far away

1:23:37

from your friend with all.

1:23:39

The people that recognized Mark at the sex club,

1:23:41

all the people that were like.

1:23:44

That's what I was thinking, because I was like, to

1:23:46

get more recognizable. So that's kind of stuff is harder

1:23:48

and harder to engage club I was at,

1:23:51

I got recognized, and I was like, that ruined it

1:23:53

for me because I was like, no, I did, because that I'll look comfortable

1:23:55

and I do not want like a sex club environment.

1:23:57

Yes it's awkward, but it's not uncomfortable in that

1:23:59

way. But when you feel like you're getting watched because

1:24:01

they know who you are, yeah, go home and

1:24:03

say I saw so and so fucking I do.

1:24:05

If you want, I got intel on a sex club

1:24:08

membership for celebrities.

1:24:10

Uh, oh yes I do.

1:24:11

And it's a it's run by somebody who is

1:24:13

the person that runs the best sex club

1:24:15

and so.

1:24:18

Take d F level.

1:24:19

Yes, okay, So

1:24:22

if you guys want.

1:24:23

I use your membership card.

1:24:24

Yeah yeah,

1:24:27

all right.

1:24:28

Yeah.

1:24:28

They bag the phones up, which is huge. Yeah,

1:24:31

it's nice. Nobody's like this communicating

1:24:34

with each other. It's so funny having like intellectual conversations

1:24:36

wearing a dog collar.

1:24:38

Yeah it's yeah, yeah, life

1:24:40

is.

1:24:40

So weird, strange, it's so weird.

1:24:43

People are odd. Yeah, it's his next

1:24:45

question. So, okay, I have a would

1:24:47

you rather.

1:24:49

You two? Nothing?

1:24:52

Never mind?

1:24:54

Would you rather this is for both of you.

1:24:56

Date a woman with a pH d or

1:24:59

date a professional a model.

1:25:02

That's tough because the PhD could be a model

1:25:05

or could look.

1:25:05

Like a model.

1:25:06

Yeah, is definitely not a professional

1:25:09

model.

1:25:09

The model could get her pH d or is this

1:25:11

the she can't?

1:25:12

No, she can't. Hey you you run with

1:25:14

this the way she can? But is she going to?

1:25:17

Yeah? And the model model

1:25:19

could be plus sized model.

1:25:21

That's a model, but they're models. They're hot

1:25:23

like the you know, Okay,

1:25:26

that's for

1:25:28

the show. Mark could

1:25:30

be as well.

1:25:32

Just the model is a model.

1:25:34

I've seen Ashley Graham person one of the most

1:25:36

beautiful women. She

1:25:38

says she's so I saw on the subway

1:25:40

and I was like, oh my christ.

1:25:44

It's all friends.

1:25:45

I don't believe that you have to be attracted to any

1:25:48

So wait whatever, whatever.

1:25:49

I'm just saying.

1:25:50

It's just funny. How if you say you're not in a plus sized women,

1:25:52

women get mad. But if you say I'm not in the hot women, women

1:25:55

don't get mad.

1:25:56

Oh me too, exactly. So

1:26:01

women deal with rejection probably maybe worse

1:26:03

than men.

1:26:04

Probably, Well you guys, are you guys in

1:26:07

it from a young age, and so it's like, yeah.

1:26:10

Yeah, I've had I've gone up to girls at a bar

1:26:12

and they just look at me like, ah, you

1:26:15

know, you're like okay.

1:26:16

She's though,

1:26:19

well, yeah, but it always doesn't make sense. You're a

1:26:21

good looking guy.

1:26:21

Like what, I'm five ten. I

1:26:23

think that factors in its

1:26:25

tall. I don't know, that's not tall

1:26:29

enough.

1:26:29

It's not sure I would categorize. It'll take

1:26:32

enough. Yeah, it's enough. No one should be laughing

1:26:34

at five ten.

1:26:35

All right, maybe I had a bad line too,

1:26:37

who knows?

1:26:38

Okay, so wait which one which you were?

1:26:40

Oh that's a tough

1:26:42

one because the pH D doesn't mean she's cool.

1:26:45

Neither is a model.

1:26:46

No, I agree both of them.

1:26:49

It's not of information. Who do you want to be with a relationship

1:26:52

or who do we want to bang?

1:26:53

No, be with, be with I'd say PhD,

1:26:56

I guess, so yeah, just because I think you're I

1:26:59

guess.

1:27:00

I mean, it's not really any information because

1:27:02

a very open minded PhD woman could be a

1:27:04

serial killer.

1:27:05

Totally neither of them are serial killers.

1:27:07

Give you that piece that one, Yeah, that's the one we're

1:27:10

wanted for serial killing.

1:27:12

But if we're if we're talking a relationship, you gotta

1:27:14

go PhD.

1:27:15

Well, PhD could be boring too, doesn't have tough

1:27:18

questions, but gauging.

1:27:22

More important. Smarter hot. I guess when

1:27:24

you really boil.

1:27:24

It relationship PhD.

1:27:27

Yeah, but if we're just talking,

1:27:29

have sexy piece

1:27:32

of paper.

1:27:32

You have right, right? Right right?

1:27:34

I mean, I guess I agree with that remardless

1:27:36

of the degree.

1:27:37

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1:27:39

Okay, And then do you want to do rock Card Takes?

1:27:41

You have them here, Yeah, I have one. Okay,

1:27:43

So we have this segment called rock Hard Takes

1:27:45

where we just throw out a subject and

1:27:48

you have to give us a rock hard take

1:27:50

right away and defend your position. The

1:27:52

whole point of the segment is like just to pick

1:27:54

a side and just go hard on it. What

1:27:57

is your opinion on it? And

1:27:59

you could kind of take this however you would like. Okay,

1:28:02

so we'll go with Mark

1:28:06

rock Card take straight men having hot female

1:28:08

friends.

1:28:09

Uh, I think there's something behind

1:28:12

it. Rock Card Takes. They're they're

1:28:14

uh, they're they're playing

1:28:16

the slow game or they're they

1:28:18

wouldn't turn it down if she went

1:28:21

for it with with them. Okay, so

1:28:23

I think it's pretty obvious. I don't think that's rock hard.

1:28:25

I think that's a semi.

1:28:26

Keeping around the hot friends.

1:28:29

Yeah, and like dying on the hell like these

1:28:31

are my friends. Yeah,

1:28:33

yeah, that's there's Yeah, there's an agenda. I feel

1:28:35

like, yeah, no PhDs

1:28:37

in the mix.

1:28:38

No, So yeah, then there's there's

1:28:40

a plan there, right, Okay, Yeah, likes

1:28:44

being around hot women a lot. But

1:28:47

if they pounced on him, he would definitely

1:28:49

not turn it down. He wouldn't be like we're friends.

1:28:51

He would go for it.

1:28:53

It depends if these if these hot friends

1:28:55

are just miraculously appearing

1:28:58

throughout the duration of the relationship, they

1:29:00

need to be Like it's almost like a

1:29:02

detective pole, like you gotta tell me if you have hot friends?

1:29:05

Yeah, you know what I mean?

1:29:05

Like upfront, all the

1:29:07

cards, do either of you have hot female friends?

1:29:10

No pigs?

1:29:13

We walked right into that one.

1:29:14

Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't put lipstick on one of

1:29:16

these or tested on it.

1:29:18

But like there is like this you know rumor

1:29:21

and girl land where or I guess maybe

1:29:23

Guyland told it to us, where if

1:29:25

any like any of a guy's girlfriends

1:29:28

asked to fuck, they would say yes.

1:29:32

Yeah, friends, And

1:29:34

I'm like, I know who they've fucked, and I'm

1:29:36

like, there's no sexual chemistry

1:29:38

and i know because you know

1:29:40

who they fucked.

1:29:41

They fucked someone, So.

1:29:44

Yeah, because I have that like where

1:29:47

I know, like a guy has fucked someone that's so low

1:29:49

grade that it actually was like I actually can't fuck you too.

1:29:52

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So there's

1:29:55

criteria, yeah,

1:29:57

definitely.

1:29:58

Yeah.

1:29:58

But it's like when couples are like, oh, I'm best friends

1:30:00

with my ex, it's like one

1:30:03

person is in love friends. Maybe maybe one