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a Country.

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It's been great.

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Just did my third appearance on the Fox

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News Channel and I

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think it's going I think it's going well. On this

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episode, I did scream that. I

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screamed in the middle of the episode, I'm

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a liberal, what do you want from me?

2:50

And it was fun. We all had a good time. My

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parents both definitely probably saw it.

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Oh yeah, no, probably, I was like lots of

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lots of people's lots of people's parents saw

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it.

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Is what I can what I was, what I.

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Can say about that, But

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lots of people's parents saw it.

3:08

Oh, your parents have been kidnapped by Fox News

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well, at least mine.

3:12

That's fun. Yeah, it was like mine.

3:13

Have it

3:16

good for you, guys, it's pretty sick.

3:18

How you doing good? I've

3:20

been intermittent fasting. That's why I'm fun.

3:23

Yeah, I'm just trying to I kind of always I just live like I don't

3:25

even call it fasting, but I kind of just organically

3:27

do that.

3:28

Well, in a continued effort

3:30

for twenty twenty four to do things that I

3:32

absolutely do not want to do, but

3:35

I know there can be some like health

3:37

benefits or mental health benefits. I'm

3:39

forcing myself to do things I don't want to do so that

3:42

I can fucking woman up and be

3:44

a bad person. And eating

3:46

at night is one of my favorite activities in

3:48

the whole entire world. I love eating

3:51

at night. I do most of my eating early in the morning

3:53

first thing, and then late at night. And I

3:55

noticed when I I so I do this thing where I sleep

3:57

eat, and I go get up in the middle

4:00

of the night and I just ravage

4:02

my cabinets. And then I wake

4:04

up in the morning and I see all the cabin doors open,

4:06

and I see food everywhere, and I'm like, and I have them. I

4:08

always have the flashback of oh right,

4:11

Oh god damn it.

4:13

And you don't eat that much

4:15

though, so like, what's the problem.

4:17

Well, because, so what it does to your blood sugar,

4:19

and your pancreas and your liver when you eat, you

4:21

should you should at least be going twelve hours without

4:23

eating so that your body can do what it's

4:25

supposed to do. But if you go, if you go sixteen

4:28

hours without eating, this cool

4:30

process called it's called katosis,

4:32

it's called this another word for it,

4:34

it's not it can't be katosis. Well,

4:36

it's basically where your body is getting energy from the

4:38

fat cells within your body instead of like the sugar

4:40

that you eat, right, And well, what that does is

4:43

it cleans out all your cells. So if you go do

4:45

a sixteen hour period of fasting, it's

4:47

really good for your health.

4:49

But god damn do I get angry.

4:51

Well, I know people have mixed feelings on intermittent and fasting

4:53

though, because I know there's also been a lot of discussion

4:55

about people thinking it's too close to an

4:58

eating disorder.

4:59

While they said it, if you've ever had anything you sort you shouldn't

5:01

do it. I just I take

5:03

that challenge. Yeah, I

5:05

only had needing to sort of for like three months. Yeah

5:08

that's more. Yeah, yeah, it was because this guy

5:10

cheated on me and I just needed to feel in control.

5:13

Really but uh but I just wanted to

5:15

see if it was if it was something for me, because it's

5:17

certainly not for everybody. Yeah, but I will

5:19

say not eating even just even

5:21

if I didn't fast and I just didn't eat past eight

5:23

o'clock, because it's not healthy for your organs,

5:26

because what I would do is I would stuff my face.

5:28

It's hard when you're a comedian. It's like when you get home from

5:30

work at one in the morning. I mean it's you've

5:33

had a full work day and then you're not going to eat. I

5:35

know, Well that's why I got it. That's why I got like my meals.

5:37

You have to fucking crap. It's exhausting.

5:39

But but yeah, so your organs

5:41

are just and I wake up in the morning and I feel

5:43

so much better.

5:44

So that's been fun.

5:46

I'm just the book that the

5:48

book Woman Code that I'm kind of studying

5:50

right now, just talks about putting really

5:52

healthy food in your body is really going to change how your

5:54

hormones function. So I'm experient experimenting

5:57

with that. Cooking most of my meals, and

5:59

it's feel lighter and even when I'm angry,

6:02

still very grounded, you know, which

6:05

is pretty cool. So there's some cool benefits.

6:07

But I was thinking last night, were

6:09

you. Yeah, I was doing some thinking. I

6:12

was pondering, you know, I was watching the super

6:14

Bowl. We're recording this early, watching

6:16

the super Bowl, and you know, Beyonce dropped

6:19

an album and then it's real

6:21

draw bombs. Uh that was sad and

6:24

bad, but uh, I was just we

6:26

get a lot of when you're a public person, you get a lot

6:28

of people's opinions about you on

6:30

your Instagram page, you know, left in the

6:32

comment section.

6:33

Oh for sure.

6:34

And we've been doing this for ten years. Baby,

6:36

We're used to it. And I mean, at this point, I'm

6:38

used to it. So I'm like, all right, let's go. It

6:41

does make you a better person because I like that

6:43

you were used to it at a different time, very different,

6:46

very different periods of being used to it than

6:48

you. Because now I've

6:50

done all this work on like Troutlin and shit, I'm

6:53

like, oh, this is why people are dicks.

6:55

You know.

6:56

It's like so at least because.

6:58

Before that, before doing all that work, I

7:01

literally would contemplate at home.

7:02

And be like, why are people so fucking mean?

7:05

Yeah, and it would really bother me, really

7:07

bothered me.

7:08

It still actually bothers me that people are so

7:10

cruel, but I don't I don't like, I'm

7:13

not like why right.

7:15

It's me saying That's where I'm at with it.

7:17

It still bothers me, and I feel like lately,

7:19

on my page and then on everybody's pages, everyone's

7:22

just being a cunt. On Instagram,

7:24

like a huge cunt. Julia Roberts

7:26

posted this picture of her and her niece

7:29

like having a having a playing poker or

7:31

something, drinking tea, and it's also like just you want

7:33

one of the one celebrity. I can't even think of anything

7:35

bad to say about it, I know.

7:36

And then she was like yeah, not always.

7:38

People are in the comments like wow, she's

7:40

unrecognizable and she's like, guys, I'm fucking

7:42

fifty and she's like I know

7:45

who I am on coffee and who I am. But that still bummed

7:47

me out and it made me think about all the teenagers

7:49

that get bullied online for their appearance

7:51

and it's like so mean. And then on

7:53

my post lately, I'm experimenting

7:55

with this fucking algorithm. It's

7:58

gonna be the death of me. But just

8:00

people saying dumb, mean shit, and I'm

8:02

like just like, just

8:04

like, I mean, there's there's always the oh,

8:06

this is what you're talking about when everything else is going on in

8:08

the world, which I will address in one moment. That's why

8:10

I want to talk about this. Oh, I see it a

8:13

very important thing to say about that. But

8:15

and then it's just like just mean shit of

8:17

like you're unfuckable

8:19

or just dumb shit that I'm like this, these

8:21

don't hurt me, and.

8:23

For those are usually meant for my page. I know now I'm

8:25

getting them, and that's why I'm like, Wow, the internet's really doing

8:27

one. No, it's really doing one on

8:29

us. Weird, I know. And

8:31

it's like, yeah, okay, like fuck you, you suck.

8:33

But the the the

8:37

the amount of comments and dms I've been getting

8:39

about people disappointed in me for this

8:41

is one comment I got last night that I ended

8:43

up.

8:43

I don't.

8:44

I'll talk about this part on the bonus episode because I'm

8:46

not gonna give this person a platform.

8:48

More than I more than I have.

8:49

But uh about not talking

8:51

about the words about not talking about what's happening

8:53

in Gaza and that you know, as from my perspective,

8:56

I know what I think in my day to day,

8:59

and I know that I on Twitter. I

9:01

don't see the images on Instagram because

9:03

I've filter them out because I.

9:04

Just want to see fucking Dashians and

9:07

rugby players. That's it.

9:08

I don't want to see this shit, Okay, I don't want

9:10

to and I control. I can control as much

9:13

as I can. And Twitter's a different story

9:15

because they're the images. It's really

9:17

sad, and these images are they bother

9:19

me to the point where they do affect They

9:21

don't affect my ability to function, but it ruh.

9:24

I need to take like an extra hour out of my day to like

9:26

cry, to be honest, because I'm like, this is this is

9:28

just so awful, but a

9:31

lot of criticism being thrown

9:33

at me and I'm sure a lot of the other people about

9:36

artists not addressing Gaza

9:39

every second of the day.

9:40

And I want to throw this out there as food for

9:42

thought.

9:43

If you are an activist or if you

9:45

have a cause that you're really passionate

9:47

about, you cannot It

9:50

is not healthy to only think about

9:52

that. Twenty four to seven you are traumatizing

9:55

yourself with these images

9:57

and these videos and constant taking

9:59

in the new Who's is traumatizing And

10:01

as an artist, I believe our

10:03

job is if you're an artist who wants to speak up

10:05

about this shit, cool, that's your prerogative.

10:07

Fuck yeah.

10:08

But if you're an artist that just wants to provide some

10:10

brevity, like a stand up

10:12

comedian, that's a really important

10:15

service. And I was thinking about, you

10:17

know, having your like there's because

10:19

the part of the comments that really bothered

10:21

me is I thought that you stood up

10:23

for what is right, Like this has been said to me so many times,

10:26

and I'm like, dude, and it's

10:28

mostly all women that are doing this, but I'm like, I

10:31

do, motherfucker.

10:32

Okay, I do stand up for what's right.

10:34

But also it is important to take a

10:36

second out of your day to just look

10:38

at a clip of a podcast

10:41

and me talking about getting caught snooping in my boyfriend's

10:43

journal, you know what I mean, Like you need to think about

10:46

other things you cannot think about all

10:48

this shit. And that's where I believe the

10:50

power of art can be super cathartic,

10:52

where it's like I just need a break from looking

10:54

at dead child's body, Children's Bodies

10:56

for a second, and I need to watch this dumb

10:59

fuck thing on in you know what I mean.

11:01

And so it's really important and I was just it made.

11:02

Me ponder because Beyonce, like I

11:04

said, release that album in the middle of the super Bowl,

11:07

and I feel so lucky

11:09

to be alive at the same time as that woman. And I also

11:11

feel lucky to have a creative

11:13

person that I legit look up to

11:15

and kind of study. Uh,

11:18

and I know what she

11:20

gives to me as a fan. Are

11:22

you raising your hand?

11:23

Yeah?

11:23

Can I tell us a quick story.

11:25

She's in the middle of something for

11:27

sure, Yes, yeah,

11:28

yeah, I.

11:36

Know what she gives to me as a fan of her, right, I

11:38

don't know if she's talked about the Gaza thing.

11:40

I frankly, I don't even fucking know. I don't know.

11:42

I was actually gonna ask. I'm like, I don't

11:45

know, And you know what, I don't

11:47

care, Okay, take her swift

11:49

hasn't address that.

11:50

I don't and I don't.

11:51

I just don't expect Beyonce to address it. She

11:54

has her issues. I'm

11:57

sure she I'm sure she.

11:58

Had to have said something.

11:59

Well, because Bella had had

12:01

and had had like a dinner with Taylor Swift and like those

12:03

people, and so they like and

12:06

so she changed something about where her album was being

12:08

released.

12:08

This was the way at the beginning.

12:09

Though, Oh, okay, okay, And look, if

12:11

she wants to say something, I think that's amazing and

12:13

powerful.

12:14

But if she doesn't want to say anything at the moment, that's

12:17

okay. She's her own person.

12:19

And I was thinking about what Beyonce gives me as

12:21

a as a as a fan of hers, and then

12:23

I was thinking about, well, what do I want to give people? What

12:25

like gifts do I want to, you know, bestow

12:28

upon people? And I never really thought about

12:30

it, but I want to. I mean, it makes sense, it's kind

12:32

of obvious. I want to make people laugh because laughter

12:35

is very healing, especially when you laugh about dark

12:37

things, or you laugh in the midst of dark times.

12:39

That is so potent.

12:40

You have no fucking idea because it takes

12:42

the theme out of the pressure cooker that

12:45

is your rage and your terror and your

12:47

sadness. I want you to contemplate

12:49

new ideas that to find what you believe are logical.

12:52

That's well, well, Aliens and ghosts psychedelic drugs,

12:54

and.

12:54

I want you to encourage I want people.

12:56

I want to encourage people to

12:58

get to know themselves on a very deep level.

13:02

And I also just yeah, I just wanted

13:04

to talk about that, and how before

13:07

you press post on a

13:09

comment. I know that we have bigger fish to

13:11

fry in the world, but I'm kind of like, and

13:14

we don't actually, because true

13:17

humanitarian shifts in consciousness

13:19

and becoming better as a people they

13:22

happen with you first. Boo, they

13:24

happen with me first. Okay, you've got to

13:26

do the work on yourself, and so I encourage

13:29

you before you press post.

13:31

On that comment. And I've done

13:33

this.

13:34

I've seen Instagram posts and

13:36

I'm like, what the fuck does this person

13:38

who she's?

13:39

Sake?

13:40

She is?

13:40

And I'll go to posts and then before I

13:42

press the post button, I go,

13:45

is this coming from a place of love or fear? And

13:47

then when I don't feel like answering that question because I'm too

13:49

fucking mad, I ask myself, am I

13:52

adding to the garbage dumpster fire of Instagram

13:54

or a social media platform? Or is

13:56

this making something better? It's never making

13:59

something better When I'm mad, so I don't post I.

14:01

Think very few comments on on Instagram

14:03

are making anything better, not really yeah.

14:05

Even put fire

14:08

signs.

14:08

It's like anything yeah yeah,

14:10

the algorithm, I suppose, but

14:12

I do think I I would implore

14:15

people to uh maybe not use

14:18

the artists who follow on Instagram use

14:20

their comments section as a dumpster for

14:23

your misplaced rage, because your rage

14:25

is coming from a real place.

14:26

But we know it's coming from helplessness too.

14:29

So I feel like it's you know, people, people

14:31

don't know what to do, and that feels like they

14:33

did something, but yeah, it's

14:35

you. They just they just made you mad. Mm

14:38

hmmm mm hmmm, Michael, I understand

14:40

that. So uh, I

14:42

think buckle up, get

14:44

a blanket.

14:45

These are no, it's this is these are

14:47

This is my personal opinion, but having

14:50

worked in really radio forever,

14:53

I think there are certain arenas where

14:56

certain things are appropriate and

14:58

inappropriate, yeah, beyond

15:01

people's personal feelings about something

15:03

that's happening.

15:03

In the world.

15:04

And one of the best examples

15:07

that I've ever been a part of, and it still makes

15:09

me laugh to this day, but when

15:11

I was working at Betches, we

15:14

were working on we

15:18

were working with I think

15:21

someone you guys had on the show a while ago comments

15:24

by celebs Emma.

15:25

Dimas Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:27

Great, Emma is really fantastic.

15:29

But they they were trying to get their footing

15:32

as a podcast when we were still working with them.

15:34

They didn't really know how to do any of this yet.

15:36

And their

15:38

show is a fucking you know this,

15:41

this celebrity said this, and this.

15:44

It's a nonsense fluff bullshit thing.

15:47

And we were recording it.

15:50

Yeah no I don't.

15:51

I mean just what it is.

15:53

But we need we need some nonsense sense

15:56

fluff ship to give

15:58

it us a break.

15:58

Exactly, I mean, just a non quite frankly,

16:01

some of us are too fucking stupid.

16:03

I mean myself included.

16:04

But I have a show about being stupid talking

16:06

about politics. So it feels American. But

16:10

right, that's kind of the point.

16:12

Right, So Emma, like this is it's a perfect

16:14

example. They they they just don't do

16:16

a show about any of that type of stuff.

16:18

Their show was just like, it's.

16:19

How the Kardashians don't talk.

16:21

About food, right, Oh

16:23

my god, exactly that they really

16:26

don't know.

16:26

That's the thing.

16:27

That's why they allowed that one guy to be food God. Their

16:29

friend is food God, because that's one thing

16:32

they don't deal with.

16:32

They don't deal with food.

16:34

Go on show.

16:35

Emma and Julie, who I

16:37

don't know what their show looks like now, but

16:40

that was who was hosting the show, Emma

16:42

and and I forget Julia his last name. But we

16:45

were recording like a day before or the day

16:47

of nine to eleven, and we were putting it out.

16:49

Not even was.

16:51

Like you were a child, I

16:55

said, Mike invented podcasting.

16:59

This was like, I don't know, twenty twenty eighteen

17:01

or something like that, and

17:04

I was a year. They were prepping the show and

17:06

then they started they were they were going to record the show,

17:09

and they started talking

17:11

and then they realized they hadn't said anything

17:13

about.

17:13

Nine to eleven on their show.

17:15

So they were like, we have to stop and take a

17:18

moment to have like a

17:20

just recognize nine to eleven.

17:22

And basically, like in the middle

17:24

of.

17:24

Their podcasting at all, exactly,

17:26

they're.

17:26

Just like, we'd be remiss if we just didn't remember

17:29

that, like today was nine to eleven.

17:31

Oh it really took that, don't forget me.

17:33

And that was it. They didn't say anything else.

17:35

Okay, they didn't say anything about but

17:38

in their head.

17:39

They're doing it as insurance for themselves, not because

17:42

they actually have anything poignant to say about

17:44

it, exactly.

17:44

And it's not like it was like a like a memorable

17:47

anniversary of nine to eleven. Sure they

17:50

shoehorned this like meant this like non

17:52

sequard. Yeah, just mentioned of nine

17:54

to eleven into this show about you

17:56

know what?

17:57

Uh?

17:58

John Stamos said on.

18:00

Yeah what's hot right now?

18:01

Yeah exactly.

18:03

So I just think there's times and places for all

18:05

that stuff. And it doesn't mean you don't care about what's

18:07

going on, and it doesn't mean but it's just.

18:10

Sometimes people are caught up in like a really

18:12

intense emotion from seeing some really awful

18:14

things, right, and they're.

18:15

Like, why aren't you feeling the way I'm feeling right

18:17

now? Boo? We have

18:20

at some point.

18:20

And this is the last thing I want to say about this is like I

18:23

want you guys to think of artists

18:26

as the musicians.

18:28

On the Titanic. Okay, the

18:30

violinists. You look, Oh

18:32

my headplhones got cut out. I

18:34

can still hear oh, you can still hear me? Yeah everything I

18:37

can't hear myself.

18:40

I'm gonna make a speech now, think

18:42

of artists as like the violinists on the Titanic.

18:45

The ship is going down, it's

18:47

traumatic, it's chaotic, people

18:49

are dying, it's not fun,

18:51

and you look around you there's chaos. But then you

18:53

look at those musicians on the Titanic.

18:56

They're still fucking playing because what are they gonna

18:58

do. Scream too is not help.

19:00

They're gonna play. So I, as an artist,

19:02

I'm like, I'm gonna keep playing that violin,

19:04

baby, all right.

19:06

So don't expect me to comment about these

19:08

things.

19:08

Don't expect artists to comment on these

19:10

social matters all the time, because

19:13

I don't think it's healthy for the psyche of people.

19:15

I think it's super traumatizing to talk about

19:18

something so awful all the fucking time.

19:20

You have to talk about other things, if only

19:22

for a moment. Okay, So that's

19:24

all I wanted to say. And

19:27

it's your fucking email, you.

19:30

Know, As I said, if you're looking for a

19:33

hot Israel hamas contents,

19:35

I have hours of it for you on Without a

19:37

Country.

19:38

But I address this on Without a Country.

19:41

But I think what's

19:43

upset me a little bit is that we're cherry

19:46

picking atrocities, right, and there's there's

19:48

no argument the the level

19:50

of atrocity, uh

19:53

and the number of deaths

19:56

in Palestine. I mean, it's the

19:58

tens of thousands of

20:01

people who have died. There's no you

20:04

know, you can look on Wikipedia and actually see

20:06

a numbers order of slaughters

20:11

that have occurred, and it's you know, nearing

20:13

the top, that's for sure. But

20:15

what also happened is like, for instance, this

20:18

week, a cult leader named Paul McKenzie

20:20

Mackenzie and Kenya was

20:23

charged with murder after more than four

20:25

hundred bodies were found buried in shallow

20:27

graves in a remote forest in the east of the country,

20:29

many of them children. And it's just like, Okay,

20:32

well, there's an example of an atrocity that I haven't heard

20:34

anyone. I mean I pulled it up because

20:36

I was specifically looking for other atrocities.

20:39

But it's like, are those there everywhere?

20:41

People less important? You

20:43

know they're not, And

20:48

like, we don't all have a running list of everything

20:50

that happened horrific

20:53

in the world.

20:54

No one knows everything.

20:56

No one has a list, and I

20:58

feel like it's weird to put it

21:00

in some kind of like in

21:02

order.

21:03

Yeah, And one of the things about having a phone too,

21:05

is your in constant view of all the

21:08

awful things that are happened, not even half of them

21:10

that are happening in the world. And so it's like,

21:13

I mean, we are so aware

21:15

of what's happening that we get a live stream

21:18

of it. My god, that's who

21:20

that does damage to the

21:23

soul of the

21:25

planet.

21:26

Makes you miss the days when you can just have a job on

21:28

the docks, yeah, screen

21:31

all day.

21:40

Well, the thing is that even when you talk about it, I mean again, like

21:42

I've talked about this for hours, no

21:44

one's gonna You're not gonna talk about it exactly right

21:46

how people want you to.

21:47

But that's your right.

21:49

Well that's what.

21:49

But that's the beauty of having an opinion.

21:51

Yeah, having an opinion thinking

21:53

about something, you know, maybe maybe

21:56

go talk to the president about it.

21:57

That's why I want to get abducted by aliens. I

22:00

don't, I really do.

22:02

No.

22:02

I loved I mean, I love talking about politics.

22:04

I think it's fascinating. I think it's you

22:06

know, I feel like me for me personally, it is

22:08

my responsibility as like a citizen to

22:11

talk about politics.

22:12

But that's my views on myself.

22:14

Yeah, all right, guys,

22:16

today's guest is us.

22:18

We're just gonna keep chatting. I'm gonna keep

22:20

chatting.

22:21

And I thought you just forgot. You were

22:23

gonna throw to somebody.

22:26

You've seen her on the comedy something.

22:29

Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be us, and it's gonna

22:31

be amazing, and uh, we're

22:35

all going.

22:35

To be here. Oh you know what.

22:37

Okay, So I was actually we were I

22:40

was talking to Mosha Kasher

22:43

and so then it got me googling

22:45

about Natasha la Zueiro and

22:48

the last time that they were on our show, and

22:50

I found this, wait,

22:53

this really weird site

22:55

that I wanted to show you, guys, and

22:59

it just goes to show that there's really a fetish for

23:01

everything. So I was

23:03

trying to remember when Natasha was on the show

23:05

because we're going to might have them back

23:07

on, and the

23:10

Sneeze Fetish forum came

23:12

up when you search Natasha Lazaro

23:15

guys, we fucked, and it is literally

23:17

just a site where they

23:19

linked to famous

23:22

I guess mostly women, and when

23:24

they sneeze on podcast appearances,

23:27

because this is a specific type of fetish,

23:30

then put their energy into the weirdest.

23:32

If I had to put my I guarantee you the

23:35

guys who do this, they don't do their dishes.

23:37

Yeah, and so literally there's a post on sneeze

23:40

Sneeze fetish forum and it's sneeze

23:42

fetishforum dot com that

23:45

says mal He posts on

23:47

August twenty seven, twenty one, he goes Natasha

23:49

Lazio sneezing on the

23:51

Guys We Fucked podcasts and

23:53

then it goes further on further to say

23:56

the hosts describe her leaning

23:58

back in her seat to

24:00

wish when Natasha responds

24:03

that she was doing so because she needed

24:05

to sneeze, and then she does so

24:07

at the forty five minute, thirty

24:10

eight second time stamp. Bro

24:12

and they comments on the quality of

24:14

the sneeze. Enjoy and

24:17

then there's a Luminary link

24:19

to the time stamp of

24:22

the sneeze.

24:23

Wow.

24:23

Wow, that's

24:25

really something.

24:26

People are so unique.

24:27

I'm like, well this even you think you can't be surprised

24:30

by people are like, you think you've

24:32

heard it all.

24:33

Wait, oh my god, my phone

24:35

is fucking with me.

24:35

I tried to I just click the link and then it says episode

24:38

unavailable.

24:39

Why can't I listen? To call her? Daddy on Luminary

24:41

is temply unavailable. This is dadaddy.

24:44

Wait, what the fuck?

24:45

Look at my phone is fucking haunting

24:47

me? Wait wait

24:49

wait wait wait. That is a weird

24:51

prompt.

24:52

The prompt is the prompt.

24:55

The professional prop that's coming up on Kris's phone is

24:57

in quote, why can't I listen to call her daddy

24:59

on luminary? It's temporarily unavailable from

25:01

call her day.

25:02

That's weird. That's weird. That's weird. Yeah,

25:05

what the fuck?

25:05

Well, anyway, the sneeze, the sneeze fetish

25:08

forum, uh is poppin'

25:11

jeez and then and then Nov,

25:13

can.

25:13

You imagine if that's what got you off? Just a fucking sneeze?

25:16

How simple?

25:16

Not?

25:16

Well, there isn't you know? Go to it is the beginning

25:19

of an orgasm. Like it's

25:21

the same, like.

25:21

Power sneezing feels

25:24

well.

25:24

Like no, no, like this like the medbination is

25:26

like the same. I don't know verocity.

25:28

Yeah, it does feel like I'm jizzing, but

25:31

like in.

25:31

Byway, like when you're winding up for

25:33

a sneeze, you like pull everything in.

25:35

Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like an explosion.

25:37

Yeah right, wait guys.

25:38

The first reply to this from Nov the

25:40

day after the original post. He

25:43

goes nice, fine and good sneezy

25:45

chatter from the others too.

25:48

All right, another person, I love this.

25:50

Another person goes amazing build

25:53

up at seven minutes and ten seconds

25:55

in this is Oh, this is this. I guess

25:57

this is specifically the Natasha

26:00

Darrow sneeze fetish page.

26:02

It looks like she sneezes a lot on pop on

26:05

podcasts.

26:05

Gotta get yeah or

26:07

not?

26:08

Yeah, people can still continue to have good

26:10

time.

26:11

Yeah, because there's a there's a couple episodes

26:14

of Endless Honeymoon where she sneezed.

26:16

Sneezing. Wait, contact staff.

26:20

I would love to see who's the staff of the staff?

26:23

Yeah?

26:24

Wow, Jesus furry

26:27

sneezing archives?

26:29

Oh man, can you look up? Who's on there?

26:32

Are you on there? Are we on there? Oh? Like

26:34

wiki fee? Is it like wicky sneeze?

26:37

Right right?

26:39

Yeah?

26:40

Hell yeah we are made? Hell yeah, we're

26:42

on wiky. If we've been on wiki fee for like a de game, bone

26:47

you on that? Okay?

26:50

Mmm, I don't I

26:52

I just googled Corine Fisher

26:54

sneeze and the thing comes up. Let me do, Christina Hutchinson.

26:59

Maybe we have sneezed enough.

27:02

On air. I don't think I really sneeze on air.

27:05

I mean either I've been sick or we've had to record sometimes

27:08

and I've I've done it off.

27:09

No, it just keeps, it just keeps, specifically

27:11

going to Natasha la Zeo sneeze.

27:14

I guess she's just a sneezy lady. Yeah,

27:16

sometimes he's sneezy. Wow wow,

27:18

wow wow sneeze

27:22

theory. Okay, I

27:24

love that. That's fun.

27:27

All right, let's read this article or

27:30

this email. This is a subject

27:32

line? Does that mean he likes me?

27:34

Back? Hey, Christina and Grint.

27:35

I've been watching you guys since twenty eighteen and

27:37

I love the podcast. Also, for warning, I've

27:39

never wrote to a podcast

27:42

like this, so I may not be good at explaining

27:44

things. Okay, So for contact,

27:46

I'm nineteen and work at Walmart. I'm still

27:48

not entirely confident in myself and it's hard

27:50

to find myself being with someone. But

27:53

there's a guy who came into work and is now a

27:55

good friend. The thing is that I

27:57

found that I found that

27:59

I was having a crush on him, which hasn't

28:01

happened at all with someone.

28:02

My age except like sixth grade. At

28:04

the time.

28:05

He was nineteen as well, but had a birthday

28:07

December, so now he's twenty.

28:08

Uh uh oh an older man.

28:11

This is so funny as well.

28:13

He and his mom worked together and were good friends

28:15

along with my other friends. Some things he

28:18

had said or done is a little list, but

28:20

I've taken notice. If my other friend

28:22

is walking with his mom, this is such a

28:24

nineteen year old team here.

28:25

Yeah, that's really sweet and also like, I feel like this person's

28:27

pretty self aware for a nineteen year old.

28:28

I if my other friend is walking

28:31

with his mom, he decides to walk with me every

28:33

time. He has bought my work lunch

28:35

staff more than once, and random things out of

28:37

the blue when he asked the question or something

28:39

and someone else answers, for instance,

28:42

his mom, he will straight up say

28:44

I was talking to her and I'm sitting at the

28:46

table like shocked face, okay,

28:48

this is a little hard to know what you're saying,

28:51

or paid for our breakfast outings, and is always

28:53

looking at me okay. Oh, and during work

28:55

he would always do something that catches me off guard

28:58

and he would say any chance that he got

29:00

to say, do I make you nervous?

29:02

The thing weird? Yeah?

29:05

Nervous No, it was a cute way to

29:08

an old Yeah, he's

29:10

twenty, thinking of like an older man.

29:11

Going do I make you nervous? Pretty low?

29:14

No, you can say it.

29:15

You can say it in like a flirty way, like makes

29:18

you nervous? Yeah, yeah, I've said

29:20

it to people. The thing is, though, he's also just

29:22

a really chill guy, nice

29:24

guy, So I feel like everything he does I'm reading

29:26

into. But the thing he has said

29:28

he isn't looking for is a relationship.

29:31

And to be honest with the way that I am, I don't

29:33

know if I am as well. Also, his mom,

29:35

who also months ago, asked my other friend after

29:37

he bought my lunch if she thought that he likes

29:39

me or whatever. And I have not told

29:42

the mom and don't think I could, but she low

29:44

key ships. I think, oh my god, it's hilarious.

29:46

I would love to see what you guys think. Keep doing what you're

29:49

doing. I love you guys, and what are you doing?

29:50

Okay with you? But he doesn't want a relationship. Unders

29:53

like that.

29:53

People tell you who they are, don't don't

29:55

read more into.

29:56

My will always kind

29:58

of they'll verbally tell you where

30:00

they're at and what their quality best and

30:02

worst qualities are, so believe him. But

30:04

also if if it's bugging you, if you're

30:06

like, oh, but maybe, then sometimes

30:08

you need to know. You need to hear it from the source,

30:11

because if you have a crush on him, for example, and it's

30:13

kind of like being fostered, and you don't want to foster

30:15

it anymore because it's not going to go anywhere. Do yourself

30:17

a favorite. Don't foster a crush on this guy. Just

30:20

ask him, like, do you like me? You're

30:22

fucking nineteen, you know, you sounds sweet,

30:25

it's fine. The worst that he's he might

30:27

say no, I don't like you, and he's like, okay, cool,

30:29

and then you're gonna be maybe a little daggered

30:31

from that and you move on.

30:32

Yeah, Like the women, as women,

30:35

we love to like include these like listicles

30:37

of everything the guys guys

30:39

aren't thinking about.

30:40

Yeah, yeah, you're just fucking existing, dude.

30:42

Yeah, And they'll say,

30:44

if he liked you, you would

30:46

know pretty quickly.

30:48

You would know pretty quickly, you know.

30:49

Yeah, And if it feels like you're not sure, that means

30:52

like sometimes like they're unsure too,

30:54

you know, like guys don't have this master

30:57

plan most of the time that

30:59

we think they do.

31:00

No, they don't. They don't think that far ahead.

31:02

They don't. Yeah, there's no master fucking plan.

31:04

No, they're just existing and that's why they're

31:07

a little bit And the words of Jerry Seinfeld,

31:09

we're just walking around looking around. Yeah,

31:11

that's yeah, it's true.

31:21

So this is a follow up from the email

31:24

that we read. Do we read this on a bonus episode or

31:26

on an intro? I think we might have read it on a bonus episode.

31:28

I can't remember.

31:29

I'm pretty sure it was a bonus episode, so you're gonna

31:31

subscribe to find out.

31:33

But it was.

31:33

The subject was I found out my friend as a child

31:35

predator. Basically, to summarize it,

31:37

Okay, so to summarize it, this woman and

31:39

her boyfriend live together. They have a neighbor who's an

31:41

older guy who was married to a woman got

31:44

divorced.

31:45

Found out through a hair salon.

31:47

Lady that this older guy was

31:49

in jail or got arrested for basically

31:52

trying to hook up with a fifteen Trying to meet up with a

31:54

fifteen year old. The fifteen year old turned out to be like an undercover

31:57

cop or something like that, and so

31:59

it was a bait and switch.

32:00

There was fifteen years right, right exactly,

32:02

it was fifteen year old, was the cop. Yeah,

32:04

there was no fifteen year old.

32:05

Yeah, and so old freeze Yeah

32:10

I know that. O.

32:11

I know it's a heap of fine.

32:12

And also and also here like even on the subject

32:16

fifteen child.

32:17

Yeah, and so we had a discussion. We read the email.

32:20

We had a discussion because the girls freaked

32:22

out. We're like, look, pedophilia is

32:25

a young child, right, That

32:27

is a different caliber of fucked

32:30

up. Then the caliber

32:32

of fucked up that an older guy

32:35

trying to bone a teenager is. It's

32:37

they're both fucked up, but they in different ways.

32:39

Well this is third tier.

32:39

Because we looked at the numbers, I'm like, fifteen is actually

32:41

a femophilia. They not even have a FeelA, right

32:44

right, right right, because the fifteen to nineteen

32:46

it's it's yeah, it's the it's so

32:48

on the spectrum.

32:49

Of predator, it's the chillest one,

32:52

honestly.

32:52

Yeah, but it's still predator, yeah for sure,

32:54

for sure, But we read it. Still a predator

32:56

wouldn't be as freaked out by it, but like, uh,

32:58

you know, it's fucked up for sure. So

33:01

we read that email, and then she sent us a follow up

33:03

update from the same listener. Okay, update in case

33:05

you ended up reading this whole thing. We did, but

33:08

on a bonus episode. I think it was the last week's bonus episode,

33:10

well two weeks ago, because this is coming out at

33:12

the end of the month. I sent that original email

33:15

twenty four hours after hearing about this incident,

33:17

okay, so I was fresh as hell since then.

33:19

I shared the news with my boyfriend okay, because

33:21

she was debating not telling him, who

33:24

just kept going what the fuck man sporadically

33:26

for about twenty four hours. It has really fucked

33:28

with us to see a trusted friend in this position,

33:31

right because they were super close and they like loved this

33:33

guy and he was very like, you know, community

33:35

leader kind of thing, the way they always

33:37

are, right.

33:38

But to me, like this is also like kind of like a learning

33:40

lesson for these people in their lives, Like, yeah, life

33:42

is full of your close friends disappointing

33:44

you, like and it's how you

33:47

respond to that and get

33:49

past it. And I think part of it is just

33:51

like stop putting people on pedestals and really

33:53

realizing we're all human and we all have these

33:56

huge flaws.

33:57

Yeah, I mean this is a little bit more than a huge.

33:59

Flob, you know, you know what I say, A

34:01

little fool Yeah, it feels like a movie.

34:04

John, who is the fake name of the neighbor. John

34:07

has been holed away in his apartment. Okay, so I guess

34:09

it's in prison, and neither of us have yet

34:11

to run into him for contacts.

34:13

We normally see him a few times a week on the street.

34:15

We noticed his distinctive car has was

34:18

nowhere to be seen for a few days and

34:20

then and then have since put

34:22

together the pieces that he traded his black car

34:24

for a gray one of the same make and model.

34:26

Oh, he's going to undercover witness protection program

34:29

right.

34:29

The predator website that listed him on it

34:32

docks his address and information.

34:33

So I guess he is fearful of his own safety.

34:36

Oh yeah.

34:37

Normally we can see John from our kitchen

34:39

window while he sits on his balcony. Now

34:41

I've pulled the blinds down in our kitchen for

34:43

the first time in four years living here. We

34:46

have a skylight in our bathroom, which should

34:48

John go onto the roof?

34:50

Guys, you're thinking John's way more calculated

34:52

than he.

34:52

Is and also John's not interested in fun. You

34:54

guys no offense?

34:55

Yeah, you're too old and you're a woman.

34:58

Should John go onto the roof, which he has

35:01

easy access to, he could technically walk

35:03

over and look into our bathroom. It's not like

35:05

I don't like, I know, I had

35:07

I lived my thirty fourth Street apartment was one of those buildings

35:10

where there was ak you went on the roof and there was a skylight

35:12

to the other apartment looking down.

35:13

It was super easy. But I don't think this guy gives

35:15

a shit about seeing your titties. Girl.

35:17

Yeah, like the fifteen year old boys, there's

35:19

like a misunderstanding. It's like it's like even so

35:21

even if you are like, uh,

35:23

you know, a pedophile, a have a file, and a febophile,

35:26

that doesn't mean you're just like balls to

35:28

the wall, a crazy sexual person

35:31

who will do anything and fuck anyone

35:33

who's fucking animals and putting

35:35

a jerking off utters into their mouth Like

35:37

this is like this is like the people

35:41

people here, Yeah, they just

35:43

don't It doesn't mean that this guy is

35:45

just fuck walking around sticking his dick in anything.

35:48

And I think it's like we don't really understand

35:50

these things. And that's why everyone just thinks the solution

35:52

is let's go out and kill pedophiles, Like, yes,

35:55

if you there's no understanding.

35:57

You could walk across the zip line and like

35:59

it's yeah,

36:04

wait no.

36:04

It's a misunderstanding song.

36:07

Unless you have a unless you often have fifteen

36:09

year old bullies over.

36:11

Then I would say cover that skylight.

36:13

Ever since learning about this incident, the skylight started

36:15

to freak me out at night when I can't see

36:17

on the other side of it.

36:18

Yeah, again, he's just not that indue.

36:20

Yeah, your head of fhile neighbor is

36:23

just not that concerned about seeing me naked.

36:26

I can't see on the other side of it, even though we

36:28

would hear footsteps if someone was on the roof.

36:31

You're stressing out too much about this.

36:32

And even though neither my boyfriend or I are his type,

36:35

we're not twenty year old boys. Growth I

36:37

have since covered the glass of the skylight

36:40

with blurring privacy stickers. It's

36:42

just beyond weird to go from thinking it's a fun way,

36:45

it's a fun wave to our friend from the kitchen window

36:48

here and there my boyfriend and I assuming

36:50

and laughing about how he's probably seen us having sex

36:52

in our kitchen at least few times.

36:53

Again, it's probably not interested.

36:55

But also that's also weird on

36:57

your behalf. Yeah, like you should close

36:59

your blinds your neighbors more like.

37:02

Well, And also the thing is, I

37:04

think it's like kind of what a like almost

37:06

what.

37:06

A narcissistic heteronormative thoughts.

37:08

I think that they're that you see, obsessed

37:11

with seeing you and your boyfriend.

37:13

Fuck no, he wants to see a fifteen year old

37:15

jerk off.

37:16

Okay, Yeah, he's also grossed out

37:18

by you, know, the same way grossed out by him.

37:20

He's grossed out by you, same

37:22

side, different coin, uh or a different

37:24

side, same coin.

37:25

The to putting up privacy film

37:28

over windows, pulling down blinds, and

37:30

holding my breath every time I walk past his door,

37:32

praying he doesn't come out. He doesn't happen

37:34

to come out while I'm walking past, girl, he's

37:36

gonna one day I go,

37:39

hey, all right.

37:41

See you.

37:42

Yeah, like I said, this is a small town

37:44

and this next twist I did

37:46

not see coming.

37:47

Uh oh Okay.

37:49

John made an appearance at a town council

37:51

meeting to clear his name bold.

37:53

I watched a recording you're

37:56

obsessed with him. No, I get it. He

37:58

stands up there and announces what happened.

38:00

He states that he was coerced into

38:02

making a false confession under false pretenses

38:05

by a vigilante group who

38:07

purport to expose sexual predators,

38:10

but whose real goal is to destroy for

38:13

lives for views and likes.

38:14

And I actually agree with his assessment

38:17

of that. Yeah, I mean, those

38:19

people do certainly exist. But there's

38:21

think that John is right about.

38:23

No, no, no, I know.

38:24

I think he one hundred percent was looking to meet

38:27

a fifteen year old. But I think these online vigilantes

38:29

are doing it for views and likes, not

38:32

actually because they care so deeply about

38:35

keeping files

38:38

off the street. That's not really

38:40

a cause that anyone I don't think actually.

38:42

Cares that much about.

38:43

And specifically,

38:47

I don't think that this is the

38:49

way if you really want to solve the problem. I don't

38:52

think this is the way to do it. I think this is

38:54

actually a way to ruin more lives.

38:55

Yes, this group uses decoys

38:58

on dating apps who pose as an undera Oh

39:00

God, okay, Jesus

39:02

Christ. This group uses decoys

39:05

on dating apps who pose as underage people

39:07

to get adults to agree to meet up.

39:09

But this is not part of the FEDS. Like, this is not an official

39:11

thing.

39:11

It's just like a bunch of a bunch of

39:13

people wanting to catch pedophiles.

39:15

Yeah, there's lots of online vigilantes,

39:17

including some comedians that do work

39:20

like this.

39:20

Weird. It's extremely dangird.

39:23

And also like that's weird. You know,

39:25

you don't know exactly what you're doing. There could actually

39:28

be a mixed miscommunicated. I don't think this was a miscommunication,

39:30

but there could be miscommunication, and you're ruining

39:32

somebody.

39:33

You're ruining someone the entire

39:35

family.

39:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's what people like irresponsible

39:39

exactly. And and also

39:41

even like okay, so I

39:44

don't so. And also like what if this guy maybe

39:46

he never acts on it before whatever, Like you think

39:48

that the solution or like what he deserves is to

39:50

kill himself.

39:51

I also don't think that's a good help you. No.

39:53

This group uses decoys on dating apps who

39:55

poses underage people to get adults to agree

39:57

to meet up, and then they confront the predators on camera

40:00

and post the videos on the internet.

40:01

A modern day to catch a predator.

40:03

What happened to John was they confronted him

40:05

with a camera and agreed upon location

40:07

where they state he was meeting up with a fifteen year old

40:09

boy and familiar So John goes

40:12

on in this council meeting to say that the confrontation

40:15

was frightening, stressful, and confounding.

40:17

He says, uh.

40:19

He says that this organization is not supported by

40:21

any of the local law agencies and that our

40:23

local prosecutor's office does not condone this

40:25

vigilanty activity. I mean yeah, because

40:27

they could be fucking getting themselves into trouble.

40:29

What if you're fucking with somebody who's got like a bunch of

40:32

guns in a temper. He says he never

40:34

believed the decoy he was talking to was

40:36

a miner, and that he agreed to meet in

40:38

a public place because it would allow

40:41

me to observe him before

40:43

going any further.

40:44

Okay, now he's

40:46

out in himself.

40:46

Yeah, this seems like you're saying too much, John, and shut

40:49

the fuck up.

40:50

Less is more meeting before going in

40:52

front of the whole town.

40:54

He says the recording was taken under extreme

40:56

duress and that he'd been charged with criminal offenses

40:58

based on it. He said he's been humiliated

41:01

and the financial cost has been staggering. He

41:03

says he will not succumb to social isolation,

41:05

and that his friend's family and coworkers have been

41:07

supportive of him. He has asked

41:10

his neighbors, oh me you to

41:12

uphold the tenants that he is innocent

41:15

until proven guilty.

41:16

There are some things you can't do with that with and anything

41:18

in the pedophile spectrum

41:21

are is one of those things. And that's

41:23

the problem with the visual anti work. It's

41:25

a sense you cannot get off you.

41:27

Ever, as if I wasn't already confused

41:29

enough, I seriously cannot explain how much I don't

41:32

know what to think.

41:33

Assuming he was guilty.

41:34

After watching the first video, I really

41:36

imagined he would stay hold up in his apartment,

41:39

get fired from his job, and maybe even move away.

41:41

The reason it felt great to me in the first

41:43

place was because of how this vigilante

41:46

group operates. I wondered how

41:48

much their mission in quotes should be

41:50

taken on face value versus how much

41:52

they do what they do for Internet praise

41:55

and for being the good guys, if

41:57

any of it is faked on their end to

41:59

make the videos more compelling, and how

42:02

much of a trusted source they really

42:04

are there, you go critical thinking

42:06

it's what's for dinner. I just don't know

42:08

what to think from the start. I

42:11

just didn't know what to think from the start. I went down

42:13

a rabbit hole of their videos, disgusted

42:15

and disturbed by video after video of men

42:18

legendly thinking they were meeting up with fourteen

42:20

and fifteen year olds. But now that John

42:22

has stood up in front of the whole town, in front of

42:24

a council who I know for a fact,

42:27

all know him personally. I mean, look,

42:29

if we were thinking about it strategy wise, he could

42:32

have done that on purpose of that. When he does fucking get caught, he

42:34

could say both, I'm a leader in the community

42:36

and claimed victimhood. I am shocked and

42:38

confused. But the fact that I can't shake.

42:41

The fact that I can't shake is that, according

42:43

to the original video, he went to meet up

42:45

with someone who told them they were

42:47

fifteen. In his council address,

42:50

he doesn't really explain this, well, yeah, because he probably

42:52

thought they were fifteen, and he's lying. He

42:54

says he didn't believe for a moment that this person

42:56

was actually a miner.

42:57

It's called lying.

43:00

And why would he have met up with someone he thought

43:02

was lying about being fifteen, because he's lying.

43:04

He's lying. This is okay, so

43:06

welcome to the world. Motherfucker's

43:09

lying. It's it's a little bit, it's

43:11

a lot. It's a lot. It's alarming.

43:13

How just you're like rap you rapidly

43:15

like change your their thoughts and opinion like

43:18

and I also didn't know, she I guess maybe we knew.

43:20

We knew initially that she sent us like after

43:22

twenty four hours, you need to

43:24

take a pause and life.

43:28

A lot of well, I know, I I

43:30

love that these crazy things happen.

43:31

She's like, I gotta write credit Christian.

43:33

Ye, you're having knee reactions

43:35

right and left, Like I don't even think you've you've

43:37

can say him down, You're you're putting things on

43:39

your windows, you're covered. How about taking

43:41

a fucking breath and sitting down and

43:44

really thinking about this, because honestly, right now

43:46

you're thinking about whether or not you want to be friends

43:48

with John. I don't think John should

43:50

be friends with you. But no matter what he did,

43:52

you're not a good friend for him. If you turned

43:55

him on him this quickly to this,

43:58

I wouldn't want.

43:58

A friend like you.

43:59

I wouldn't I wouldn't you

44:02

turn your back immediately based on one

44:04

immediately, Yeah, you're there. You're

44:07

the kind of friend who, like a comedian, gets

44:09

canceled they read one BuzzFeed article

44:11

about them, and you're on the side of BuzzFeed.

44:13

You're not a good friend. You're not a

44:15

good friend, but you got you gotta ride

44:17

or die with the homies. Yeah, motherfucker.

44:20

And also, if you were friends, you

44:23

talk to the guy and be like, yeah, yeah, what's

44:25

up? What's this about? What's

44:27

this about? You knock on his door and not wait for him

44:29

to peek into your fucking sun

44:31

roof.

44:33

John knows what you're doing. John knows you're avoiding

44:35

him. John knows you're covering your windows.

44:37

It's so passive. I

44:40

hate passive aggressiveness. Yeah, nuts,

44:44

just be aggressive, either confront him or act

44:46

normally. All this in between ship

44:48

is pussy ass baby shotting like

44:50

my mom and doesn't really

44:52

add up. He also started in the original.

44:54

Now she's doing that, she's turning into an internet

44:56

sleuth. The thing

44:59

that oh god, who is that girl who

45:01

was missing because her boyfriend killed her? That was

45:03

missing in the desert for a while and everyone turned into

45:05

an

45:06

h Yeah,

45:11

shoot, yeah, I forget well because internet

45:13

flu thing like really fucked up that case

45:16

and made it go on way longer than and then

45:18

now you're doing that ship. We gotta stun the internet.

45:21

Yeah, you gotta stop at the gay internet

45:23

slew thing. There was a reason that investigators,

45:25

our investors.

45:26

They both got killed, didn't they happened?

45:30

He was he was in

45:33

his parents house and like hiding out.

45:34

Yeah, law is still alive. It's

45:36

on there. Okay.

45:45

So after a week of having this on my mind,

45:48

I've just been stuck on thinking it's gross and weird.

45:50

No one, no matter what the laws are. Okay,

45:52

you're just saying the same thing. Uh Like,

45:54

no matter what, I'm skithed out

45:56

by sixty something year old who likes such young

45:58

men.

45:58

Okay, side cool.

46:00

I feel like there is something off with someone who

46:03

never moves on from wanting to be with eighteen to twenty

46:05

year olds.

46:05

You're right, You're right, Okay, But.

46:07

At the same time, if no laws are broken, and if

46:09

you really hasn't actually been with

46:11

minors, but how.

46:13

Could I be sure? Who cares?

46:15

Oh, Brian Laundry is that bard? I'm googling

46:17

Brian laundry's stuff.

46:19

It's a long email.

46:20

I know.

46:22

We did the same thing.

46:22

I was like, read.

46:25

Letter.

46:25

We don't need to know your entire internal please,

46:29

Jesus, we have enough going on in.

46:31

Our own head. I know so much, my

46:33

lord, no idea. That's why

46:37

consciousness over here. Yes, that's

46:40

why when people are like, how dare you not speak?

46:42

Bitch?

46:42

What?

46:44

I'm sorry?

46:44

Okay, so I'm not going to read the rest of it. But you'll be fine,

46:47

girl, You'll be fine.

46:49

Just yeah, just just just don't

46:51

be friends with him. Wait, we have time for one

46:53

more email? Me make sure?

46:56

Okay, this fine? Oh

46:59

that's interesting.

47:02

How many minutes do we have, Mike, We're at forty seven?

47:04

Okay, all right, Oh this is oh this is

47:06

an episode episode oka?

47:07

Yeah? Yeah, okay, so we'll do two more. This

47:10

is mine. Okay.

47:11

Do I tell my father that his father

47:14

your grandpa said? Are

47:16

we trying to make things as actually as

47:18

complicated as possible? Do I

47:21

tell my father that his father for

47:23

email, now, my grandpa said

47:26

sexually explicit things to my sister and I

47:28

to explain why he isn't invited to my

47:30

wedding?

47:31

Okay? Do I tell my father why my grandpa

47:33

hasn't invited to my wedding.

47:35

That would be simpler, just I

47:37

mean, it's like, come on, guys, Hi

47:39

current, Christina, Eric, and Mike if you're still there. I have been a

47:41

long time listener and luminary subscriber. I've seen

47:43

you both do stand up in New York and Chicago, and you

47:45

always kill it. Thank you so much for doing what you do. I trually

47:47

look up to you both. My fiance

47:50

and I have been together for seven years. We're both why

47:52

so long? You know, just get do

47:54

it. We're both dood or del fuck.

47:57

We're both thirty e live in Chicago and our newly engaged.

47:59

We started play our wedding

48:01

and are super excited. The only problem that I've

48:03

run into is whether or not to invite my father's

48:06

parents.

48:06

Sure wedding girl.

48:07

The short version is I cannot stand them. They

48:10

are creepy and weird, and I haven't seen them in six years.

48:12

The long version is I'm ninety nine percent sure

48:14

that my grandfather molested me as a child.

48:17

Since I was a young kid, I always had a memory

48:19

of someone touching me in the shower. My memory

48:21

of this doesn't allow me to picture who was

48:23

doing it to me. But I can remember the

48:25

shower, and if my memory serves me, it is my

48:27

grandparents' shower. My mom has also told

48:30

me that my parents left me at my grandparents house for

48:32

the weekend once when I was little, and when they came

48:34

to pick me up, I was furiously biting my fingernails

48:37

down to the nail beds. According to my mother,

48:39

I had never done this before. Okay,

48:42

well, then it seems like your parents needed to parent

48:44

in that moment and didn't. Not just but they didn't need

48:46

to just regel you with the story of your nail beds.

48:49

Jesus fucking Christ. My grandfather

48:52

also said creepy things to me at my sister's graduation

48:54

party. Specifically, he said, wow, you have

48:56

got to be the prettiest granddaughter in a very

48:59

very creepy way.

49:00

My grandmother heard it and did nothing. I just walked

49:02

away.

49:03

Over time, I started to tell my sisters

49:06

of my suspicions, and my younger sister shared

49:08

that when she was little, like around six

49:10

years old, he described in detail to her

49:12

how he lost his virginity.

49:14

Yeah, this is a problem, puzzle pedophile.

49:17

She said that they were in his car so she

49:19

couldn't walk away, but as soon as they got home,

49:22

she immediately ran into the house. She said

49:24

he never touched her, but hearing this makes me want

49:26

to lose my mind, like myself. She never told

49:28

my parents. My parents are not aware

49:30

of any of this. The reason this is

49:32

connected to my wedding is because I

49:34

know that my dad is going to want to invite my

49:36

grandparents.

49:37

Well it's not his wedding.

49:38

Yeah, he used to be pretty reasonable, but recently

49:41

he seems like he's fully not fully

49:43

their cognitive Wait, your dad or your grandpa,

49:46

I would say to Dad. He flies off the handle

49:48

easily and says, off the wall. Shit, Yeah,

49:50

it's called aging. Recently, I mean, yeah,

49:52

your parents are just gonna get Your parents are just gonna

49:55

get a little whack yer in these later years, and you just

49:57

got to roll with it.

49:58

You know.

49:58

Recently he has become very defensive over

50:00

his side of the family and blames us, my mom,

50:03

my sisters, and I for his poor relationship

50:06

with them.

50:06

Oh, I think we don't.

50:08

I think what we failed to realize with parents

50:10

is like, yeah, you know how we're having

50:12

all these aha moments as where the children growing

50:14

up? Yeah, your parents are too. They're

50:17

not just fucking lost in time. Okay,

50:20

they're not just they don't just freeze. They are also

50:22

developing emotionally, having aha moments,

50:24

self reflecting, even tho if they're not doing it the same

50:27

way we are as millennials or you

50:29

know or meybeing you're yeah, I guess you're so millennial.

50:31

I'm not sure. At thirty, it's like

50:33

they're still having these uh.

50:36

Actualizations too, So like

50:39

it's almost a little bit demeaning the way we speak

50:41

about our parents sometimes, like they are still fucking

50:43

developing as humans, even if they're not doing it the

50:45

way that we are doing it and seeing

50:47

a therapist, so like relax, to

50:50

be honest, sometimes I don't even want him there.

50:52

But that's for another email.

50:55

Yeah, I feel like there's a bit of a loss of

50:57

empathy in some of these emails for our parents.

50:59

My mom has made it very clear that it is

51:01

my decision to invite who I

51:03

would like, and they will stay completely

51:06

out of the planning unless I want help. I just don't

51:08

think that my dad feels the same way when it comes to his

51:10

parents. I guess what I'm asking is if

51:12

my dad digs his heels in about inviting his

51:14

parents, Do I tell him about his dad being a complete

51:17

creep so he understands why I refuse to interact

51:19

or communicate with him. I would tell him

51:21

whether or not they're invited to the wedding, because he should

51:23

know. I don't know if I'm

51:25

comfortable telling them about my molestation suspicion

51:28

because I'm not one hundred percent sure it was him, and

51:30

yeah, that's a big claim to make if you're not sure,

51:33

but I would definitely tell them that he has made

51:35

uncomfortable comments about my looks. My

51:37

sister explicitly told me to tell

51:40

my parents what he said to her if anything is

51:42

ever brought up, because she doesn't want to

51:44

do it herself, but wants them to know that

51:46

our grandfather is a complete creep.

51:48

So she's your sister's making it your problem. That's fun.

51:50

No matter what, my grandparents are

51:52

not coming. The only question is whether or not to disclose

51:54

why I refuse she around them. I know the

51:56

question is hypothetical, but it's very likely that my

51:59

dad will push back I break the news that my grandparents

52:01

are not invited.

52:02

Any advice is appreciated, thank you.

52:03

I would just say like, Hey, just so you know, I've been talked

52:06

to my grandparents, your parents that in six years.

52:08

It's because they've always given me a really creepy feeling,

52:10

and I've had a lot of memories of

52:12

suspected creepiness

52:15

happened, but nothing that I could confirm that. I talked

52:17

to my sister and she confirmed some very creepy

52:20

stories. He is allowed nowhere near my wedding.

52:22

Yeah, also, clothes, cut the cord.

52:24

If you're getting fucking married, it doesn't matter what. You have

52:26

to stand up to your parents. They have no

52:28

set they're not are they paying for your wedding? Even

52:30

if they're not in the marriage,

52:33

they're not getting married. It's

52:35

so strange, you guys all you need to cut the cords a

52:38

little bit more between you and your families.

52:39

Yeah, cut it out. And they were talking to me again.

52:42

Okay, necessarily that, I mean, that's.

52:44

Your choice, but like, yeah, it's just like it

52:46

seems like it's like either it's either like people

52:48

don't talk to their parents at all, or they

52:50

or they're everything they do, they're calling

52:52

mom and dad.

52:53

Right.

52:54

I feel like people feel imprisoned to

52:57

their parents' opinions because they forget

52:59

that, like you're you're the

53:02

you're the keeper of your own life. Your parents

53:04

actually don't have a say, you just think they

53:06

do, like they're in a jail cell the doors wide open.

53:08

A functioning family.

53:11

What should be happening is your parents

53:13

are spending you know, your youth,

53:15

giving you the tools to

53:18

go out there on your own, and

53:20

also hopefully teaching

53:22

you how to critically think. And yeah,

53:24

like the template will involve their

53:27

religious views, their political views, their social

53:29

views, but hopefully it will

53:31

also include like

53:34

a yearning and a want to know the truth and

53:36

discover things for yourself. And then you go

53:38

out into the world and you take

53:40

you look at what your parents gave

53:42

you, and you throw some of it away, you

53:45

alter some of it, you keep some of it,

53:47

and then you create your own thing and then you pass that

53:49

along to your children, if you have children, and

53:51

then they do the same thing. Okay, you're

53:54

not just some carbon copy of your parents. You

53:56

also don't need to be the complete antithesis

53:58

of your parents just because you hate them. I mean,

54:00

like that's an overcorrect because even if you're doing

54:02

that, like if you're rebelling against them and you hate the way

54:04

you grow up, you're in a way if

54:06

you're just the antithesis of your parents.

54:08

You are still that way because your parents,

54:10

because it's against them. Right, you're living.

54:12

Oh you're you're still kind of their puppet.

54:14

Yeah, and you're not your own person. It's gotta be your

54:16

own person. Be your own person, all right. Last email,

54:18

my boyfriend called me by a six year old daughter's

54:20

name. I mean that can I know

54:22

I'm already reading too much time, that's

54:25

uh yeah, I mean I've I've only

54:27

ever called almost I've almost called

54:29

boyfriends another boyfriend's name. So many

54:31

times I go through phases of doing that. I'm like,

54:33

oh, I almost called you, Steve. I'm like, hey, times did it?

54:35

What the fuck?

54:36

And then I'll like not do it for a year.

54:38

Sometimes have you ever like been hanging out

54:40

with like a boyfriend and literally forgotten

54:42

their name. Sometimes I'll just black out and

54:45

completely forgot what their name is.

54:47

And sometimes I'll feel like you

54:49

because last time I was in a long term

54:51

relationship was with this other person. So

54:54

I'll feel like I'll call my current boyfriend

54:56

a nickname I had for my last boyfriend.

55:00

Yeah, because it's You're just kind of like you know

55:02

it's recite.

55:03

It's all yeah, we're all everyone's replace people and

55:05

we're just going through the motions.

55:05

No one really means anything. Guys, we fucked. I'm

55:09

a twenty six year old woman. My boyfriend's thirty

55:11

four thirty four year old man. We've

55:13

been together for eight months. When we met, I

55:15

was not looking to date because I'm a serial monogamist.

55:19

Huh okay. I also can't

55:21

stand children. He has three, two boys

55:23

and one girl.

55:24

Sounds like a great fit. Yeah.

55:26

I always thought the way he obviously

55:28

favors his daughter was strange, okay,

55:31

but just assumed it was because I don't have healthy relationships

55:33

with my parents.

55:34

Could be I gotta says

55:37

a lot, though.

55:38

Yeah, And when you don't have that kind of bond

55:40

and you see it, you caught part of you that's

55:42

like angry you didn't get that projects of like, well

55:44

that's fucking creepy and weird.

55:46

Now maybe it's just love.

55:48

No, but also just the same way mom's

55:50

favorite sons a lot, dad's favor daughters.

55:52

It's just the way. It's weird.

55:54

Uh. The other night, though we were both

55:56

up late, he was playing video games. I was drinking

55:58

wine. Watching scary movies and all the kids

56:00

were asleep. Suddenly he said his daughter's

56:03

name, so I thought she had woken up, But then

56:05

he said her name again, and then I turned and realized he

56:07

was talking to me. So all I said

56:09

was I'm not this girl's name,

56:12

not her real Oh okay, I'm not Amy, not her real

56:14

name.

56:15

He apologized and said that was weird. I

56:17

said, yeah, you should go to sleep.

56:19

I've never dated anybody with children, but

56:22

ever since that night, I can't help

56:24

but feel like I'm in the way of him and

56:26

his daughter.

56:27

No, he just has a daughter and

56:30

he talks to her a lot.

56:31

Miss, this was a huge leap. This

56:33

was a huge She's one of the huge leaps, and guys,

56:36

we history. I'm actually gonna say, okay,

56:38

you not.

56:39

All men want to fuck their daughter.

56:40

He accidentally told you his daughter's

56:43

name once, which is the name that I'm sure he uses

56:45

one hundred times a day, and then

56:47

you left to you're dating a.

56:48

Pedophileh have

56:52

our patients also at the end of this episode.

56:55

But also, come on, girls, I'll

56:59

jump a conclusion sometimes,

57:02

but that that's a lot.

57:04

The theme of this episode is looking for huge

57:06

problems where there are.

57:07

Ye, I will say, I imagine

57:09

your life is pretty peaceful. Otherwise if

57:11

this is the thing you're worried about and writing is

57:13

for, ye, he's not. I don't

57:15

think he's interested in his daughter in

57:18

more than being her dad.

57:19

Yeah, I'm sure he thinks of her like as a little sweet

57:21

princess.

57:22

But again, like, yeah, it's a dynamic that happens.

57:24

Yeah, that's that's normal for the dad

57:27

to seemingly favor the daughter. That's just

57:29

because my little girl looks at his sons

57:31

as pop is Like it's almost like a

57:33

self hate thing, like right, Like men

57:35

know how dad, many men

57:37

can be and they see women in a

57:40

different light, So he sees his daughter in a different

57:42

light.

57:42

Yeah, it's just like so fucking common.

57:44

It's the same way why boy moms

57:46

hate every girlfriend. It's so it's

57:48

self hate.

57:50

Yeah, it is.

57:51

It's self hate because they know the way they that they've manipulated

57:54

men over the years, and they don't want that that happening

57:56

to their son.

57:57

Come on, come on, this

58:00

is fucking one on one that makes sense. Yeah,

58:02

stop, oh my god, all right,

58:04

guys.

58:05

And it's also not now it's weird that you're thinking about

58:07

it so much. Yeah, I mean, look, maybe

58:09

you're a pedofile. No, we do live in a world

58:11

where there's a lot of pedophiles. There are a lot of

58:14

them, and it's disturbing. But

58:16

I think your boyfriend's one of them.

58:17

Yeah, guys. Yeah.

58:19

Also, I mean, like pedophile you can usually pretty

58:21

much do by looking at him.

58:23

This is very salt salts the earth guy. Yeah,

58:26

it's like he works at an AutoZone.

58:28

I've never known a picture works at

58:30

a something more.

58:31

I've never seen a picture of a pedophile and

58:33

gone, oh that was a shocking photo.

58:35

Right, Like, wow, I didn't get pedophile

58:37

vibes from him at all.

58:38

Yeah, every time you get a picture of a pedophile,

58:40

you go, how was everyone

58:42

in the town not pointing.

58:45

At this guy? Yeah, he's

58:47

something in the eyes. He has a.

58:48

Bagged party city pedophile

58:51

costume on. Yeah, pedophiles seem

58:53

to go out of their way to let

58:55

us know with everything about their outward

58:58

appearance that their pedophiles.

58:59

Yeah, and are really bad hiding. They're really

59:01

bad hiding stuff. Oh

59:03

my god, they're so bad, I mean, thank god.

59:06

Yeah, but your boyfriend's on a pedophile

59:09

Yay, congratulations.

59:11

All right, guys, this has been Guys We Fucked,

59:13

the anti slut shaming podcast.

59:16

We'll talk to you next Friday. Bye,

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59:22

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59:30

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