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Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to

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Habits and Hustle. Greshen. This

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always happens and I try so hard for

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this not to because I wanted to see

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my, okay, so I have a

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great conversation before the podcast. I don't want to have

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a conversation with you before because then I'm going to

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ask you the same questions. It's like I

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have a podcast in Israel that hasn't come out

0:22

yet because of the seventh of October. Stop it.

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Also a podcast with you. Okay. So I

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have, it's my podcast. Yeah, I know you're

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the host of the podcast. What kind of podcast is

0:30

it? It's called in Hebrew sounds so much

0:33

better. It's called Luch Hamim Ada

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Brem, which means combat soldiers talking.

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Oh, okay. It doesn't sound good in

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English, but it's basically, it doesn't sound like

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I mean, it sounds really good in Hebrew,

0:43

like Luch Hamim Ada Brem. It's like a,

0:45

it's like friends talking. It

0:47

feels like it sounds like friends talking, but

0:49

like combat soldiers talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I need to find a better, a better

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name in English, but so it's about just

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combat soldiers that are in the industry. I

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have actors coming and that

1:00

already came and singers and

1:02

different performers, stand up comedians.

1:05

So you've everybody basically everybody come

1:07

that were combat soldiers and how

1:10

they deal with what they went through in

1:12

the army in their life

1:14

after as a known person in

1:16

the Israeli industry. Oh, that's really

1:18

interesting. Well, it's interesting because maybe for those

1:20

who don't know, number one, I want to

1:22

just introduce who you are. Okay. I'm

1:25

going to say the name wrong I

1:27

feel, but Yadine Gellman, perfect, who

1:29

is, was a soldier. He

1:31

got badly hurt. Now is

1:34

obviously recovering nicely it seems.

1:36

Yeah. But he's actually a very

1:38

famous actor in Israel and he

1:41

had to go back into the army

1:43

because of what happened on March 7th.

1:45

But in Israel, everybody, when they turn

1:47

18, guy, girl, doesn't matter. Go, they,

1:49

that is part of it. They have

1:51

to be, they go right into

1:53

the army regardless. Right. And everybody does reserves.

1:55

Like what I had to explain a lot

1:58

to people here is that people didn't understand

2:00

how I'm also an actor and also

2:02

a soldier. Yes, explain that. That was a

2:04

lot of the question that I was getting

2:06

too. Yeah, so in Israel we have to

2:08

do reserves, especially combat soldiers. You finish the

2:10

army and then you do reserves. So we

2:12

do reserves every month for a few days.

2:15

Explain what that means. You go in to

2:17

train. You train for

2:19

war, for combat situations. Yeah,

2:21

for every month. Every month,

2:24

yeah. You go in and

2:26

train. For how long? So if something like this

2:28

happens, you know what to do. And

2:30

you have all your equipment ready for you,

2:32

your gun, your own equipment, your own shoes

2:35

that wait for you there, your own bag,

2:37

everything. Yeah. For how long? Like how long

2:39

does that go on? Until you're 50 years

2:42

old. Yeah. So where do

2:44

they even have space and room to keep

2:46

your gun, your clothes? So there are units that

2:48

are built just to

2:50

storage the clothes and the

2:52

equipment of reserves. Huge hangars,

2:55

just like waiting for

2:57

us. So then you explain this. So

2:59

then you turn 18, you go into the

3:01

army for what, four years or three years. Yeah,

3:03

it's the mandatory. And then I did seven. So

3:05

why did you do seven? So I went

3:07

into special forces, which automatically means I sign

3:09

on another year. That's the first thing that

3:11

the day you go in, you sign on

3:13

another year. So I did four that I

3:15

had to do. And then I went to

3:17

officers course, my fourth year. So I had

3:19

to stay on more. And then I became

3:21

a commander. So I had to stay on

3:23

more. And I loved what I was doing.

3:25

I felt like I'm doing the most important

3:27

thing a human being can do in Israel

3:29

for sure. That's what I felt at all

3:31

times. And so can any how did you even

3:34

become a special forces? Can you describe like what's the

3:36

process? I mean, so can anyone just do it? So

3:38

it's like here, it's very hard. You can for sure

3:40

do it. But I don't know. I don't know. So

3:42

it's like,

3:45

first of all, it's everybody's dream to become like

3:47

to go into the army and get as high

3:49

as you can. Is that like a Navy

3:51

SEALs? And is that the same equivalent? So it's

3:53

the same. So It's equivalent of like the

3:56

Delta force or the green Berets. Navy SEALs

3:58

is what's called shayatit in. The Euro

4:00

which is whoever is in charge of the

4:02

Navy right? I mean more the details of

4:04

for a sec. The I like a high

4:06

level right? So what you do is before

4:08

when you're eighteen you start doing mental tests.

4:11

And. Psychological tests to see like where

4:13

you are and also just regular test

4:15

of mint like mechanical things and your

4:18

brain and I'd you and yeah and

4:20

all those tests and then when you

4:22

finish that you start doing physical tests.

4:25

And. Then you do a day of physical

4:27

tests and then two days of physical

4:29

tests and then you finish that. you

4:31

go back to say cause psychological test.

4:33

And then you do a week of

4:35

extreme physical tests all week where they

4:37

just try to break you mentally always.

4:39

that's what you do. Previous of examples

4:41

of the outlook and and training with the I.

4:43

Am. So the first while you have no

4:46

watch all week of course no phone but

4:48

no watch so you don't know at all

4:50

what what time it is you go to

4:52

sleep and the wake you up an hour

4:54

later and you won't know if you slept.

4:56

if you didn't sleep you have no idea

4:59

what's going on the so they tell you

5:01

to start sprinting. And then you sprint

5:03

and then they tell you to stop when you

5:05

get to twenty and then when you get oh,

5:07

they tell you to yell out twenty when you

5:09

get when you get sweaty than they tell you

5:12

to keep going and then after that you start

5:14

crawling. And. You're racing all the time.

5:16

You're racing people and you crawl and

5:18

you finish that and they tell you

5:20

to pack up sandbags as heavy as

5:22

you can, put on your back, and

5:24

start climbing up a mountain. And

5:26

then you do that with structures and

5:29

then you sprint to stretchers and whoever

5:31

gets first gets to take the stretcher.

5:33

So if you get there first, you're

5:35

punished because it's harder. but everybody wants

5:38

to get there first. so you're always

5:40

like battling the rest of your lab.

5:42

Your team. And. then after three days

5:44

and three nights of that they cut

5:46

out half of the people so you

5:48

start like a thousand they cut out

5:50

five hundred on the spot wow yeah

5:52

yeah and then the rest of the

5:54

week four days later the it's like

5:56

that we'd five hundred that stayed do

5:59

that in different teams. Continue the training

6:01

and all week they're training your mind

6:03

as well. So in the middle of

6:05

sprinting, they'll give you a riddle. Just

6:07

throw out a riddle and they say

6:09

whoever knows the answer, raise your hand.

6:11

And then you start sprinting and then suddenly

6:13

somebody answers the riddle. And then another one

6:16

answers the riddle. And then yeah, so they

6:18

try to break you at all times. After

6:20

two days I had somebody put a gun

6:22

in my head like while we were crawling,

6:25

just slam the gun in my

6:27

head. Slabbed it or just pointed it? No,

6:29

by accident when we were crawling, he just

6:31

smashed it in my face. I

6:34

had a concussion and I kept going. What's a concussion?

6:36

I had a concussion. They asked me if I can

6:38

keep going. I kept going. I had, my entire face

6:40

was purple till the end of the week. That's the

6:42

only reason I went through because they saw like, okay,

6:44

he can deal with it. Wow. And

6:47

they're like basically like shouting riddles

6:50

because they want to see if you're mentally acute and

6:52

like a, an allure. If while you're suffering.

6:54

Suffering. And physically you're just going to

6:56

the edge. You can still use your

6:59

brain and be focused at all times.

7:01

Yeah. And there's like fighting also. Like they put

7:03

you in a ring and strongest

7:06

man that stays in the ring. Go. That's

7:09

it. What's so interesting is like Israel's known to have

7:11

like the, like the best army in the world,

7:13

right? How does the training for

7:15

the Israeli army compared to like the

7:18

training for the Delta force and for the

7:20

special forces part, you know? Have you ever

7:22

found out? I have trained with the Delta

7:24

force and the Rangers and the SEALs. You

7:27

did? Different occasions. Yeah.

7:29

There's a lot like of, of work that we

7:31

do together. A lot of training that we do

7:33

together. First of all, the main difference is that

7:35

it's better for the U S military is that

7:37

we go in at a really young age. And

7:41

we go in for three years or four years or

7:43

even seven years, but in the U S military, it's

7:45

a career and they go in at a much, I

7:48

mean, even if they go in at 25, you're not

7:50

18, you're 25. You Already, you're

7:52

much more stable. You're not a kid. You're not

7:54

a kid anymore. Yeah. It's their career. They Look

7:56

at it as careers. That's what they want to

7:59

do. That soldiers sometimes are

8:01

twenty years just combat soldiers. They don't

8:03

become officers, they don't move forward. They're

8:05

just combat soldier so they're much more

8:08

professional. I say the main difference though

8:10

between both armies is we fight on

8:12

our land, on our houses like we

8:14

fight for our people and will see

8:16

our people with our own eyes. the

8:19

Us military deaths sent to the other

8:21

side of the world. So when we

8:23

fight we feel like if they kill

8:25

us. That's. It I mean

8:27

the family behind me is dead

8:30

or a It gives us I

8:32

think a much like stronger drive

8:34

to win right? Because because it's

8:36

you, it's basically you, your your

8:38

people. Yes, it's article survivor mentality

8:41

as yes So. Strong that way.

8:43

But in terms of the

8:45

actual tangible practical training, Techniques:

8:47

Is it very similar? Similar? Yeah, it's

8:49

very similar. and we we is. They

8:51

change information a lot. We switch between

8:54

us information like if they come up

8:56

with a new technique. it just happened

8:58

a few months ago. They have a

9:00

new techniques of taking over room. They'll

9:02

they'll they'll share with us and then

9:04

we'll share information about how we did

9:06

it, how we trained. So it's very

9:08

similar. I think during the training they

9:10

get pushed a little more to the

9:13

edge on in terms of training, but

9:15

after when you're already a combat. Soldiers

9:17

Pretty much you go to the same things because.

9:19

The mental toughness that you. Have. To kind

9:21

of indoor is unbelievable bulk. And because

9:23

you guys are so young Spratley wits

9:25

they said. I mean are they more

9:27

lenient to who gets in vs like

9:29

their twenty five trying. Up for the Green

9:32

Berets that say vs you know the Special

9:34

forces in Israel because you are eighteen were

9:36

doing. It do. They kind of allowed more

9:38

lenient of who that able to go in

9:40

to the army the first place in special

9:42

forces. Or it's it's not. They don't think

9:44

of it that way. It know. I think they.

9:47

they have their tests and they know what they're

9:49

testing and when you're looking for they're looking for

9:51

and that's who goes in the summer league You

9:53

you're eighteen. Yeah, Okay, so. What was your

9:56

background before? Because you're just like you're a

9:58

key I did we always mentally. tough,

10:00

were you strong-willed, were you athletic, what

10:02

were you like? So I was, if

10:05

I go way back, I grew up

10:07

in Jerusalem during the Second Intifada and

10:09

then during the Second Intifada you were

10:11

walking around the streets and buses were

10:14

exploding in front of your face and

10:16

coffee houses were exploding and there was

10:18

the pizza in Sbarro pizza that blew

10:20

up, a terrorist bomber blew up inside,

10:23

a suicide bomber and killed so many

10:25

people and then there was the Dolphinarium

10:27

in Tel Aviv where he hurt 130

10:29

people I think and then park, hotel

10:31

in the town and you grow up

10:33

during that time and every day is

10:36

a risk and you go to

10:38

school and it's a risk and that's already a

10:40

moment when you realize okay I gotta toughen up

10:42

and I remember as a kid looking for terrorists

10:45

in my own eyes, I'm 10 years old, I'm

10:47

12 years old and I get on the bus

10:49

and I'm looking for terrorists to see if he's

10:51

a terrorist, should I get off, should I fight

10:53

them, should I don't know what I'll do, of

10:55

course I wouldn't fight them but I mean you're

10:57

looking at it, you're much more aware so that

10:59

mental toughness, you grow with it, it has to

11:02

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11:04

messed up thing is that you grow up to

11:06

your friends and family being killed all

11:08

the time and people leaving kidnapped and

11:11

terrorist organizations calling for your death from

11:13

right and from left at all times,

11:15

if it's the Fatah or if it's

11:17

Hamas or if it's Hezbollah or Iran,

11:19

it doesn't matter, always coming.

11:21

I remember during the second Lebanon

11:23

war, we were preparing our gas

11:25

masks and we would cut off pictures

11:28

of the terrorists and put them on the gas masks

11:30

for like these are the guys that want to kill

11:32

us, we're gonna win and I was, I don't know,

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are just so tough because that was like

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they have to be that's like how you were kind

14:37

of built because that's what you saw that was part of

14:39

your life. Like, yeah, did you have a lot of people even

14:42

like when you were younger, you said, did you have a lot

14:44

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14:46

in these suicide bombers? I know from Canada,

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I wasn't allowed my mom wouldn't allow me

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14:54

allow me to go on the school trip because

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the year before my mom's

14:59

friend's daughter went and she was on

15:01

the beach and there was a suicide

15:04

bomber that blew up the beach and

15:06

the daughter died. Oh my god, terrible.

15:08

So I wasn't allowed to go that happened.

15:10

And that was like that was kind of like

15:12

my mom's Israeli, by the way, to

15:15

Yeah, from Haifa. But

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that was like, I remember just

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from living in Canada, like people I

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knew of who were even visiting

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there. Yeah, we're killed. I can't

15:26

even imagine living there your whole life growing

15:28

up there. What could have

15:30

happened? Yeah, how many people you must have

15:32

known? Yeah, you always know. And that that

15:34

was like, until today, that's the thing that

15:36

we fear the most is you open up

15:39

your phone and you look at the news

15:41

and you see somebody you know, or the

15:43

instinct is now when there's a rocket or

15:45

a terrorist bombing or an attack or any

15:47

sort of thing, you send messages to whoever

15:50

lives there that you know, that's the

15:52

first thing you do, you take out your phone and

15:54

send a message because it could be

15:56

anyone and you know it. That's how you

15:58

live. And then once in I don't know how

16:00

many people it is. It's somebody you know, and then you go

16:02

bury a friend or you go bury a family member Or yeah,

16:05

but then like I hear people who live there who

16:07

always feel safe They're like I feel safe living

16:09

there like walking around like it and they don't

16:12

feel like it's dangerous Like even people now who

16:14

are there right? They're not they don't feel like

16:16

I'm like my friends who are going there I'm

16:18

like, aren't you scared? They're like no, I don't

16:20

feel scared. No, that's the other

16:22

side I mean you always feel

16:24

like that's happening around you, but you don't

16:27

I mean you keep your head up high

16:29

I've never not felt safe walking around Tel

16:31

Aviv Jerusalem Haifa or I

16:33

studied in Gushat's Yoon where the three

16:35

kids were kidnapped in 2014 I

16:38

studied 500 meters or a

16:40

kilometer from the bus stop that they were kidnapped

16:42

from never felt Like I was

16:44

like my life was in danger and we

16:46

knew that people were getting kidnapped people were

16:49

getting killed and we didn't Like we would

16:51

not let that hit like put

16:53

us down We would keep our head high

16:55

and that's that was that's like the amazing

16:58

like what's so different about Yes,

17:00

you feel like there's always terrorist attacks going on,

17:02

but you'll never let it get to you You'll

17:04

always keep on going you'll always keep your head

17:06

up high That's the mentality that we grew up

17:08

with even though it's a part of your life

17:10

Yeah, it's not something that you know, not even

17:13

though because it's a part of your life Yeah,

17:15

it's anyways a part of your life. Keep your

17:17

head up high. That's incredible I mean that

17:19

but even people who it's not part of their

17:21

life I guess we just say like I was

17:23

like like tourists and visitors like I told you

17:25

like even after you know after October 7th And

17:28

my friends have been going there a lot

17:30

for different You know first to see what

17:32

was happening and to kind of bring awareness

17:34

and all these things who have not grown

17:36

up like that And they don't feel scared

17:38

which is what I find it be just

17:40

miraculous. Like how is that possible? They

17:43

didn't have this they don't have to say mental

17:45

toughness that you have been you know fortunate enough

17:47

to kind of have which is Amazing. So

17:49

then you Kate so then you go you finish the

17:51

army then why did your four years and turn into

17:53

seven? So then you do the special forces. What are

17:56

the other three years officers course? What

17:58

is that? Like tell me what this means Talk to

18:00

me like I'm a dummy. Yeah, officers

18:02

course is basically you go to like

18:04

a school. Okay. What's it called

18:07

in the US? University College.

18:09

No, there's the officers school

18:11

for the military, something point.

18:14

Oh, Dana point? No. No.

18:17

Oh, you're asking the wrong person. Something point.

18:19

Nevermind, it's the officers course here. Okay. Basically

18:22

you go to study tactics, different tactics.

18:24

Okay. Of how to

18:26

fight and you practice being the commander in

18:28

the fight instead of being just the soldier.

18:31

Oh, now you're running your unit. Now you're

18:33

running not the unit, but like your team

18:35

or your squad or that battle or you're

18:38

running what's going on. So you learn how

18:40

to kind of think differently. Think out of

18:42

the box, get different solutions that you can

18:44

to attack. Let's say so this

18:47

house, you can either come in the front door, which

18:49

is the obvious solution or I don't know, I can

18:51

blow up the wall and come in through the wall

18:53

or come in through the wood

18:55

of this, of the ceiling. Yeah.

18:58

Or come in from under whatever. So there are

19:00

so many different ways that you can attack. So

19:02

that's what you learn in office school, the different

19:04

ways to command, to attack, to be with soldiers.

19:07

And it's a few months of just basically

19:09

school. And then you go out in the

19:11

field and kind of just do whatever you

19:13

studied. So you're basically like in charge

19:15

of that. You become, you become like a commander

19:17

in charge of that unit in charge

19:19

of your force, your force, how big is your force?

19:22

The numbers change and I'm not allowed to say exactly how many

19:25

of the numbers are. Oh, okay. It

19:27

changes. Yeah. So you stay

19:29

on for a few years. No. So officers, of course,

19:31

you do for a few months. For a few months. No, but then

19:33

you do that. That's what I

19:35

mean. So then you did that. You were

19:37

the commander, I guess you would say. Like a fourth,

19:39

a smaller fourth. A small fourth. Yeah. Okay.

19:42

For three years. For three years, right?

19:45

Okay. Then when did you become like, so then you

19:47

leave and now how, now you're what? Now you're 25 ish. Okay.

19:52

Then you go and you're like, Hey, I want to become an actor. Yeah. Okay.

19:56

So I'll take you back. Okay. So.

20:01

13. So I'm just a few months

20:03

in. Okay. And to get accepted, like

20:05

after you get accepted into the unit,

20:07

so for them to accept you inside

20:10

the base, like our special forces base,

20:12

you have to go through a few months of training.

20:14

Until then, you're always out in the field sleeping in

20:16

tents. You have no home base. Yeah,

20:19

because you're not like good enough yet. Oh my gosh. Okay.

20:21

Yeah. Make sure you like you're a

20:24

rookie. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So

20:26

you're eating out, you're sleeping out, you don't see,

20:28

you don't have a watch, you don't have a

20:30

phone, you have no idea what day it is,

20:32

what time it is, what's going on. You just

20:34

keep going. So that's for a few months. So

20:37

during those few months, you do like

20:39

these hikes. Now a hike means

20:41

you have 60% of your

20:44

body weight on you with all your

20:46

equipment, your gun, your helmet, everything, and

20:48

stretchers. So there's stretchers with a few

20:50

hundred kilos on them and you're walking

20:52

with stretchers. And the last hike is

20:54

90 kilometers, which is I'd say about 45, 50 miles.

20:58

So that's the last. Miles? Yeah, miles. With

21:00

all that stuff on you? Yeah. So that's

21:02

the last. Without stopping, you don't stop. You

21:05

walk the whole, I don't know, night, whatever

21:07

it is. Yeah. Okay, go on. That's the

21:09

last one. So the one before that, which is

21:11

75 kilometers. So

21:13

I'm walking, you're not allowed to talk, of course,

21:16

the entire night. And you're walking and you have

21:18

to like stretchers and everybody, you switch the two

21:20

that are in front of you all the time.

21:22

And you do like this kind of carousel-like thing.

21:24

So I'm in the beginning, me and my friend,

21:26

and we get switched, we go to the back.

21:29

And he says to me quietly because you're not

21:31

allowed to talk. He says to me, so what's

21:33

your dream, like after the army? And we're 19

21:36

years old. I mean, we just started. And

21:38

I think about it and I tell him, you know what,

21:40

I think I'm going to be an actor. And then we

21:42

both start laughing. And then our commander yells at us, everybody

21:45

be quiet, you're not allowed to talk. And we keep going.

21:47

Okay. And that's it. And I never talked about it after

21:49

that. Never. Because I went to

21:51

officer's course and I had nothing to do

21:53

with acting. And you're a soldier

21:55

and you have no feelings and you're a

21:57

killing machine. And that's what you do. And

21:59

then. I had one year left, which

22:02

the start of that one year was the 2018 conflict on

22:04

the Gaza border,

22:07

which for me was, okay, I

22:10

saw that and I said I've seen enough. What

22:13

they did, what the Hamas terrorists did was they

22:15

put a line of kids and then a line

22:17

of women. I remember them holding their hands

22:19

and then all the terrorists are behind them.

22:22

And so, I mean, you can't do anything.

22:24

You can't shoot, you can't attack, you can't

22:26

do anything. You can only start when the

22:29

kids move around or the women move or

22:31

something opens up and the terrorists come forward,

22:33

which barely happens because the kids are sent

22:35

to cut the border. It's

22:37

just messed up. So, I saw that and I

22:39

said, okay, this is the end. I've seen enough.

22:42

I've done enough. I felt like I've done enough

22:44

for my country. I had one year left on

22:46

with an operation in that year and I

22:49

said, okay, I'll do the operation and then I'm done. I'm

22:51

finished. And I was thinking what

22:53

I wanted to do after and I got offered

22:56

very good jobs after. It's not like LA.

22:58

It's not like being in the US, right,

23:00

to do all this stuff. What do you

23:02

mean? Like, okay, sorry. I'll tell you after.

23:04

Okay, go ahead. No, no. No, no,

23:06

go ahead. So, I had one year and I thought about

23:09

what I was going to do and I asked my commander

23:11

if I could go out once a week to do an

23:13

acting course. And he thought,

23:15

of course, that I'm going to do one

23:17

lesson and then come back to the army. I

23:20

had another seven years deal to stay in the army

23:22

and I said, so let me do the acting course

23:24

and then I'll think and then I'll figure out

23:26

what I want to do. And I did

23:28

the acting course, which I was terrible at,

23:30

terrible, absolutely terrible. And I loved it.

23:33

I loved every second of it. And I

23:35

kept on doing the course. I did two

23:37

courses. I finished the second one, started doing

23:39

the auditions for acting school, did

23:41

auditions for acting school, all this during my

23:43

last year in the army, which nobody knows

23:45

about except for my commander. Not

23:48

even my family, not my teammates. Nobody

23:50

knew about it until I got in. I remember the

23:52

phone call. I got in. I told my

23:54

commander, I'm out. I'm done. He thought

23:56

I was kidding. No, I said I'm done. I got

23:58

out July, 2008. 2019

24:01

started October 2019 three months

24:03

later really what was your first job

24:06

like as an actor? So I was I started

24:08

October 2019 I got

24:10

good very fast because I worked very

24:12

very hard Also, you know like I was

24:15

saying to you earlier you have no accent Yeah, my

24:17

dad's American and my mom's Canadian there.

24:19

I have to give them all the

24:21

credit. They spoke strictly English in

24:23

the house Okay, just just so that will

24:26

grow up without an ex. Okay, your mom's

24:28

from where Toronto You're Canadian. Yeah,

24:31

no wonder I like you so much. You

24:33

are a Canadian holy crap Okay, and where's

24:35

your dad from South Carolina? Okay,

24:37

so this so your parents moved to

24:39

Israel Yeah, they moved separately to work

24:42

like on a kibbutz for

24:44

a year really met there fell

24:46

in love stayed forever But you yeah

24:49

where you were born in Israel They

24:51

met there in Israel and stayed in Israel forever

24:53

and then never left and all four kids were

24:56

born in Israel And so you spoke like you said

24:58

English all the time all the time

25:00

and with my siblings Hebrew So in one

25:02

conversation in the house, you'll hear both languages

25:04

Just going through the sentence without us even

25:06

knowing like we'll just talk to siblings and

25:08

parents and different languages Do your parents talk

25:11

to each other in Hebrew in English too?

25:13

Yeah, but they have perfect Hebrew They just

25:15

won't speak Hebrew to us and you will

25:17

have English. Okay, so I could

25:19

your keeper like so you you're technically

25:21

Israeli though Right. I'm a hundred percent Israeli, right?

25:23

So like even though your parents are not but

25:25

like all you're I mean, they've been there for

25:28

42 years now So they're

25:31

absolutely Israeli. No. Yeah, but I'm saying is

25:33

that why you don't have an accent? Oh, yeah, cuz

25:35

they spoke only English So for four years

25:37

until I went to kindergarten or three years,

25:39

I didn't even know about Hebrew They would

25:42

only speak English at home And

25:44

then I went into kindergarten started speaking Hebrew, but

25:46

I would come home and speak English until

25:49

I was 18 Until I

25:51

left for the army my best friends

25:53

from Jerusalem Same deal their

25:55

parents are from the US moved

25:57

to Jerusalem to like an English

26:00

the Anglo-Saxon environment. All

26:02

my friends speak English, and we speak English

26:05

between the friends. You do. In Tel

26:07

Aviv, yeah. We'll walk in the Tel

26:09

Aviv streets speaking English. So you don't

26:11

speak Hebrew to your friends? Yeah. The

26:14

Hebrew accent is so heavy. It's so heavy, yeah.

26:16

And you speak like, you look at it

26:18

like, just like a Canadian American boy just

26:20

hanging out. When I go to like Europe, I'll

26:23

speak English in an Israeli accent

26:25

because they don't understand the American

26:27

accent. So I'll go to Barcelona,

26:30

and I'll go to taxi guy and

26:32

say, we need a taxi now to

26:34

hotel. And quickly, $100 no

26:36

more. And

26:38

then, yeah. It works. I mean, it

26:40

works. Oh my gosh. So is that

26:42

why you became so successful as an

26:44

actor though there? Oh no, I did

26:46

only one job in English, in Israel.

26:48

Oh, okay. But I played a British

26:50

agent. So like a British

26:52

spy. So I had to

26:54

do a whole course of a few

26:57

months to switch my entire accent to

26:59

a British accent. And then I

27:01

acted in British. And then, yeah. And

27:04

all these Israeli roles I had in Israel, I

27:06

did like an Israeli accent for my English. Wow,

27:09

okay. So what was your first job that you

27:11

got though? You were saying that I couldn't believe that you

27:13

sound like this. It's crazy to me. And

27:15

my English has gotten better since I've been in the US.

27:18

For what, 48? Yeah, I can

27:20

feel it like getting better. Like the rust

27:22

kind of gets off. Yeah. That

27:24

is amazing. That is amazing. If

27:27

you didn't say, it's like Brad, or you didn't say

27:29

that you were like Israeli, I would never have

27:31

known it. People say I have like a mix

27:33

of American and Canadian. Like they can hear it's

27:36

a mix. It's like me. Yeah, like you. Yeah.

27:38

Oh my God, you can be like my brother. Okay, this is

27:41

so crazy. Okay, go on. So then you're trying

27:43

to- So I started school. Yeah. October

27:45

2019. And while I

27:47

was in school, I would do like

27:50

acting courses online in English. Okay. To

27:52

kind of get like, just understand what's

27:55

going on. And then three months into

27:57

school, I met a casting director of

27:59

the biggest- Israeli director in Israel, Avin Eshe,

28:01

he was in Hollywood, he did two Hollywood

28:03

movies, came back to Israel. So he was

28:05

casting a new movie about the

28:08

independence war in 1948

28:10

in Kibbutz Nisanim about a kibbutz,

28:12

which yeah, which is gonna sound

28:14

crazy to you, about a kibbutz,

28:16

that small squad of

28:18

soldiers with an elite commander,

28:21

played by me, come to the

28:23

kibbutz to protect them from

28:25

the attack of the Egyptians in 1948. This

28:28

may sound like I'm talking about sober 7th,

28:31

I'm talking about 1938. They were sent and

28:33

they get into a brutal fight and

28:36

he gets shot, I can't believe

28:38

you're finding that right now, but he gets shot

28:40

four bullets on his left side,

28:42

the commander, which I know, and

28:44

dies on spot. It's true

28:47

story and I played him.

28:49

So that was my first acting role.

28:51

I'm cutting three years later to October

28:53

7th of me and my team getting

28:55

sent to Kibbutz Bery to save the

28:58

kibbutz from the attack of Hamas

29:00

and me getting shot four bullets. Luckily

29:02

I survived, but yeah,

29:05

it was crazy. Oh my god,

29:07

and you played that commander? That was

29:09

the movie they were casting. She saw

29:12

me, she didn't even know

29:14

who I was, she found out my

29:16

name, my agency, called me in for

29:18

an audition. I did one audition, then

29:20

I did an audition every single day

29:22

for that same week until I

29:24

did a chemistry test with the lead

29:26

actress and a meeting with the director

29:28

and we started talking. The first

29:30

thing he said to me was, there are

29:32

much more famous actors than you that are

29:34

on for this role. We're just meeting, that's

29:37

how we started and we ended with

29:39

him saying, you got the role, this is your

29:41

role. So in an hour and a half

29:43

conversation, that's how I got my first job. Wow,

29:46

that is so eerie. And

29:48

then that became you. That became my

29:51

reality. Yeah, exactly. And I mean,

29:53

when I talk about

29:55

it, I show people the video of

29:58

him getting shot four bullets. bullets

30:00

on his left side. And

30:02

it's me and you're looking at me dying

30:05

on screen. That is

30:07

like giving me chills. That is so

30:09

insane. Insane. It is. It's

30:12

insane. When you see that, like, when doesn't it freak you out?

30:14

It freaks me out. I'll tell you another

30:16

crazy thing. I play in, I act in

30:19

a play in Tel Aviv about a gay

30:21

couple that there was a terror attack in

30:23

2009 in a Tel

30:25

Aviv gay club, in an LGBTQ club.

30:27

Two people died. Eleven were injured. I

30:29

play one of the ones that were

30:31

injured. And my boyfriend

30:33

is a religious kid. And

30:36

that's how he comes out of the closet in front of his parents.

30:39

So it's an amazing story based on

30:41

different real events. And I start

30:43

that play with a cast on my own.

30:46

And I did the play since I went on once to

30:48

try and do it again. It was

30:50

insane. It was insane. Yeah. This

30:53

is like unbelievably surreal and

30:55

like eerie that this is

30:57

actually like it's life imitating

30:59

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31:01

every way. And like it's like

31:04

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31:06

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31:08

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31:11

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31:15

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31:18

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34:35

So like then walk me through this. So then now you're

34:37

acting or doing your thing. You're becoming very

34:39

successful. You're doing you're doing more like

34:41

TV shows, movies, a combination of

34:44

a combination more movies,

34:46

like bigger parts and movies than what I've done on

34:48

TV shows, but I've done them both. Like

34:50

are you like for example, if I were to

34:52

go with you to Israel, would people be like

34:55

going crazy for you like fans and stuff

34:57

like that? So people would be stopping

34:59

you on the street. It's not like,

35:01

uh, I don't know. It's not like

35:03

Leo Raz walking down the street. It's

35:05

not. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's

35:07

not that, but, uh, no,

35:09

not. Okay. Okay. Um, but yeah, people know

35:11

me. People know who I am. People have

35:13

seen the movies, have seen the show. I

35:15

mean the play, like you give me

35:18

a comparison. Like you're like as famous as

35:20

who in the U S like, like

35:22

what would you say? Like you're

35:24

not like a Leo DiCaprio, but like, um,

35:27

I can't remember his name. Something pit Brad

35:30

Brad pit. So yeah, you're like a Brad like

35:32

that. Kind of. Yeah. Give or take a little

35:35

bit. Brad Pitt. Yes.

35:37

Brad Pitt. Or you're like a Brad

35:39

Pitt. Are you like a Bradley Cooper or

35:41

like, um, no, I know. I know.

35:44

I know. I'm joking. You're probably

35:46

like, uh, I don't know. I don't know. Like a Zac

35:48

Efron. No way. Everybody knows that. Okay.

35:50

You're right. It's pretty

35:52

popular. But you're popular. People know

35:54

me. People know me. I would have

35:56

walked around with your, with your face beyond

35:58

like covers of magazines. So first of

36:01

all, yes, my face is gonna be

36:03

on a cover of magazine in two

36:05

weeks in America or I mean Oh,

36:07

yeah. Okay. I mean in the cover

36:09

of the the front page of the

36:11

most popular newspaper So that's happening soon

36:13

and I have two movies coming out

36:15

in Israel in February and March So

36:17

my face is gonna be everywhere now. Okay,

36:19

so you're like a popular actor. Yes, you're

36:22

not maybe like I'm not Bradley Cooper, but

36:24

I do different you're like a B list

36:26

first in a list. Yes. Okay. Got you

36:28

And now suit. Okay, so this is what's good This

36:33

guy I'm not the same this he is

36:35

literally going to be like a humongous star in

36:37

the US I'm telling you everybody in like the

36:39

US that he came he came to LA to

36:41

meet all these people and everybody wants to work

36:43

with You're gonna be like you're gonna be huge. It's been

36:45

an amazing time. No, you are you're gonna be okay So

36:47

so then like let's go to this now you what

36:50

you're doing your thing. You're working in Israel You're doing

36:52

all these movies TV shows and doing reserves

36:54

all the time I'm going every month and

36:56

each time you go for the month for the reserves. How

36:58

long is each reserve though? I'm so so it changes

37:00

it's it's sometimes three days just

37:02

to like, you know, yeah And

37:06

then sometimes they take you for two weeks and

37:08

train you to death. Okay, so you don't never

37:10

know No, you know before we know in fact,

37:12

right But like that why is it like kind of back and

37:15

forth and why is it sometimes a few days? Why is it

37:17

sometimes a couple different training? So we

37:19

trained which is also crazy But a

37:21

few months ago, we trained the entire

37:23

army trained for a war on all

37:26

fronts So that was two weeks long

37:28

so we know that we have that training and

37:31

we go in prepared for that and then you

37:33

you Make the adjustments and you have

37:36

two weeks off of work, whatever you're doing everybody

37:38

I mean, I'm an actor so I have two

37:40

weeks off from movies, right shows,

37:42

please My friends are business owners go

37:44

out for two weeks other friends high-tech

37:46

go out for two weeks All come

37:48

and meet for these two weeks of

37:51

fighting, right? We just train all around

37:53

and then a month later. So you

37:55

have I don't know three days just

37:57

to brush off Yeah, so sometimes they're like

38:00

If you're on a movie set or something and then it

38:02

comes up, do you have to work around the schedule?

38:04

If you don't show up for that particular month

38:06

because of your working schedule, are you

38:08

allowed to miss something? In

38:11

Israel, it's a law that you're

38:14

not allowed to not send somebody to

38:16

reserves. Oh, wow. Okay. But

38:19

because I'm in special forces, so I can

38:21

talk to my commander, tell him, listen, I'm

38:25

flying out to film a movie. I'll just join a

38:27

different team next month. I'll catch up on what I

38:29

missed and then I'll join you guys. And so they

38:31

allow you to do that? Yeah. It's

38:34

a law that you can't miss it, but then you talk.

38:36

But because I'm in special forces, you have... It's a

38:38

different thing. So the special forces has a different thing.

38:40

Yeah, it's smaller. You know, like the head of my

38:42

unit now was my personal commander, so I can

38:45

call him up. Right. So you

38:47

guys have a relationship. It's like in real life, right? Like you're

38:49

not supposed to, but if you have a relationship... Exactly. You

38:51

have something to happen to. Right. Like

38:54

they'll give you some leniency. Exactly. It's like a

38:56

microcosm for like what happens in the real world. Right. Can

38:58

I ask you a question before we get into all this

39:00

other stuff? Because it's like so intense and I want you

39:03

to tell your story about October 7th.

39:06

How did anybody... Like did anybody in

39:08

the army at all, your special

39:10

forces, nobody knew this attack was even

39:12

being planned? Like how can some... Like the

39:14

Israeli army is supposed to be the best,

39:17

the smartest, the fastest, the greatest. How can

39:19

nobody have known? And then nobody be around

39:21

for hours on end, for like seven hours.

39:23

Like how did this even happen? That's

39:26

the question I know. The question that everybody wants

39:28

to know. The question. Yeah. So

39:31

I'm breaking it up into different things. Okay. So

39:33

people had intelligence for different things

39:35

that they thought was going to happen. Okay.

39:38

Everything they heard and it went up the chain of command. It

39:41

felt like the top of our chain

39:44

was pushing down that everything

39:46

is okay. So everything you hear,

39:49

just ignore it because everything's fine.

39:52

So don't worry. That's what we feel

39:54

like today. That our top of our command

39:56

was telling us not me. like

40:00

Netanyahu or our government. Okay.

40:03

They felt like Hamas was totally

40:05

taken care of and everything is fine.

40:07

And then once you hear that so

40:09

much, I think people started believing it.

40:11

But we do have lookout girls that

40:14

saw Hamas training. I have pictures on

40:16

my phone, I can show you later,

40:18

that saw Hamas training four days before

40:20

the attack, training, fighting between

40:23

Sukkot, just like that. And they

40:25

reported it and people told them,

40:27

nevermind, it's not happening. We have

40:30

lookout girls that talked about training inside

40:32

Gaza, told their commanders, they told them,

40:34

don't worry, nothing's gonna happen. An intelligence

40:36

officer who also told them that she

40:38

heard stuff that are happening, they told

40:40

her, just forget about it,

40:43

nothing's happening. So the soldiers on

40:45

the ground were doing their job

40:47

as best as possible. Up

40:50

the chain of command, that's where the problem started to

40:52

happen. And so, I mean,

40:54

we're an attack unit. So we don't,

40:56

we're not looking out. We don't listen

40:58

to the phone calls, we don't listen

41:00

to the intelligence, we go out on

41:02

missions. So for us, I mean, it

41:04

felt like Hamas is taking care of,

41:06

because that's the story that we

41:09

were getting. The Hamas is taking care of, and they're doing

41:11

what they can. There were no more attack

41:13

tunnels that were coming, so we didn't think

41:15

they were gonna come out of the tunnels.

41:17

And the people that were telling and warning

41:19

and giving the signs, so people just weren't

41:21

listening to them. So that's the problem. But

41:23

why? Why were they not listening? That's

41:26

suspicious to me. How is that possible? So

41:28

you're telling me, you literally have pictures on

41:30

your phone of these lookout girls who are

41:32

seeing them train, Hamas train.

41:35

They tell their commanders, their commanders

41:37

are saying to them, eh, it's

41:39

no big deal. Don't worry about it.

41:41

And I'm saying it really nicely. Their

41:43

commanders told them to shut up, told

41:45

them that if they wanna keep their

41:47

jobs, they should be quiet. Like brutal

41:50

things that they told those girls, those

41:52

lookout girls, and for no reason

41:54

at all, they just ignored everything that they

41:57

told them. And I mean, everybody in Israel

41:59

is going crazy. crazy about it.

42:01

And we don't have answers,

42:03

especially because there's this weird

42:05

saying of our government now that will

42:08

deal with all the problems after the

42:10

war. For now, we're not dealing with

42:12

any of our mistakes because it weakens

42:14

us. And we're saying the exact opposite.

42:16

Let's quickly see what our mistakes were, learn

42:18

from them, and be prepared for the next

42:20

thing that's going to happen. And

42:22

our government is just totally ignoring all the

42:25

mistakes that they made just so that we

42:27

don't see their mistakes. So that

42:29

means Israelis must be, well, they're really angry,

42:31

I would imagine. But what's happening in Israel,

42:33

that's the thing. I don't think America, whenever

42:35

I say America, I mean like,

42:38

you know, this, right, North America,

42:40

whatever the world knows really what,

42:42

how Israelis feel in Israel. Because

42:44

so it sounds to me like everyone's kind

42:46

of like, what the hell happened here? Like,

42:48

is it, is it like a Netanyahu thing?

42:50

Like, do you see if there was something

42:53

like, I don't want to, you know, this

42:55

whole conspiracy theory thing, but like, when there

42:57

was nobody even around for seven hours or

42:59

10 hours, even like there was, it was

43:01

completely moved the platoon out to the West

43:03

Bank, and then nobody came back, which we

43:06

have no idea why. How was that possible?

43:08

And we checked how long the drive is,

43:10

it's an hour drive from the West Bank

43:12

together or an hour and a half, we

43:15

have no idea why it took seven hours.

43:17

And even after the soldiers got there, nobody

43:19

was there to give them the green light.

43:21

Now I am breaking it up here because

43:24

we came there and we didn't wait for a

43:26

green light. We went in, we dove deep. How

43:28

long did it take you to get there? So

43:30

I was called at about 7am. It took me

43:33

an hour to get to my base, a little

43:35

to get dressed up, 930 ish, we

43:37

were already in Queda. Okay, so what time

43:39

did we had teams fighting inside

43:41

already? Okay, so then what time did this

43:44

whole thing break in? Six thirty. Okay, six thirty

43:46

in the morning. Yeah, you got there at 930.

43:48

Yeah. Okay. And we have already

43:50

teams that are fighting inside. So we're reserves.

43:53

Right. We come from home. There are teams that

43:55

are already waiting on base, that already went into,

43:57

I mean, the first team that went in five.

44:00

Four guys died and five got injured

44:02

fighting not they were nine That's who

44:04

went in because that's how we had no idea what

44:06

was going on. So only nine

44:08

I mean that was the first call right

44:10

the first call had nine people go in

44:13

and how many terrorists were what you

44:15

said? 500 I heard we fought in very 500

44:19

terrorists. Yeah, that's the number that I got.

44:21

I don't know. I haven't counted them The

44:23

number that I received was 500 terrorists and

44:25

we're a group or small group I

44:28

think you I think you speak how many okay? Yeah,

44:31

how many were I don't want to say Very

44:33

few very few. Yes, very few people in

44:35

your group, but you got there within three

44:37

hours, right of it Okay, so

44:39

then where is this number of like seven

44:42

hours? It took for people to actually

44:44

show on massive the large amounts of

44:47

Soldiers they come in platoons and

44:49

companies and they come with armored

44:51

vehicles and tank Those

44:53

are the soldiers that the big question is

44:55

where what happened that it took so long

44:57

to get there Which is a question that

44:59

we asked as well and what it was

45:02

the answer that you get we don't get an

45:04

answer yet The only says anything the first

45:06

answer is that this there were soldiers outside

45:08

It didn't get the green light didn't get

45:10

the okay from their commanders the top commanders

45:12

to go in which we didn't wait for

45:14

We just went in. I mean, I which

45:17

is my instinct If and I'm sure I

45:19

tell you a situation the house next to

45:21

you have you hear people shooting and you

45:23

have a gun You would go in. Yeah,

45:25

I wouldn't wait for somebody to tell me so that's what we

45:27

thought as well We just went in and the the

45:30

bigger amounts of soldiers waited for an

45:32

okay from their commander and they didn't

45:34

get it Okay, why in your opinion?

45:36

What do you think the reason is like?

45:38

Why do you think so this goes to conspiracy

45:40

theories? Cuz I don't know. I know what you're doing.

45:43

You're a conspiracy theory. Okay, I'm gonna

45:45

say something very bad here But I put

45:48

this on as I don't know. We'll figure it

45:50

out. Okay, the more the

45:52

war continues The more this

45:54

government stays the moment this war

45:56

ends. They're out today. The numbers

45:58

are 70% of Israelis

46:01

across the board from

46:03

religious people to non-religious people, right-wing, left-wing,

46:05

the number is 70% want new elections.

46:11

70% want new elections. So the moment this

46:14

war is finished, they're out. They

46:16

may win again, that doesn't matter. But this

46:18

government is done. And the

46:20

more this war continues on going,

46:22

Hezbollah, Hamas, doesn't matter, this government

46:25

stays on longer. So the

46:28

story that they kept on, that

46:30

the extreme right-wing part of our

46:32

government kept on telling us, is

46:35

that because of the left-wing and because

46:37

of the protests in Tel Aviv that

46:39

would happen every week, our

46:41

enemies saw that we're weak and they attacked

46:43

us. That's the story that they're selling. And

46:45

that shows you that they're wrong on so

46:48

many levels. Our intelligence was wrong, our attack

46:50

forces weren't in place, the speed of our

46:52

government of how fast they reacted took days.

46:56

I think it took four days for our

46:58

government to announce that we're in a war. When

47:01

our Channel 12 news announced it at 9am,

47:03

they announced this is a war. This isn't

47:05

a round, this isn't an operation, this is

47:07

a war. It took our government four days.

47:10

I think that's the number. I mean, it

47:12

is unbelievable of what has happened in

47:14

that sense. And how about the fact

47:16

that there was all these people from

47:18

Gaza that were kind of helping Hamas,

47:20

they were coming in and working

47:22

for Israel, giving

47:25

them all this intel. And days

47:27

later, after we

47:29

figured that out, we thought there

47:32

are for sure silent squads that

47:34

are in working zones inside

47:37

the major cities waiting for

47:39

the day of command. That's what we thought. We

47:41

know now it's not true, but I mean, it

47:43

could be true. That to me

47:45

is what's unbelievable. And how about even

47:47

the cyber part? No one saw the

47:49

cyber. They were in the cyber, in

47:52

Israeli cyber. And people are

47:54

saying that Iran trained them. How

47:56

didn't we figure that out? There are so many

47:58

different – ways here. I

48:01

mean it's crazy for me that there

48:03

wasn't a helicopter in the sky in

48:05

one second taking down everyone on the

48:07

border. I mean it makes no sense. Yeah. It

48:09

should have taken one second. Do you think

48:11

that Netanyahu is corrupt and he was like

48:14

in cahoots with him? So that's

48:16

extreme. I don't

48:19

think he's in cahoots with him. I do

48:21

think he made a lot of

48:23

mistakes in this war, a lot

48:26

of judgmental mistakes that he's done, a lot

48:28

of war mistakes that he's done and he

48:30

won't account for his mistakes. That's what I

48:32

think. That's my problem. Because if he

48:34

wants to stay in power, right? Like what

48:36

most people do when they want to stay

48:38

in power is they create war, right? Right.

48:40

Because then your job is secure basically. Right.

48:42

And people do it all the time. Until

48:44

it's done, right? So like people do all

48:46

sorts of crazy things politically to stay in

48:49

power and so I mean I don't think

48:51

that, I don't know if that's true or

48:53

not true. I'm just throwing out all these

48:55

different crazy conspiracy theories. Yeah. Because I

48:57

have crazy conspiracy theories as well which

48:59

I don't know but I mean nothing

49:02

could be crazier than what is happening.

49:04

That's exactly the thing. Nothing could

49:06

be, the answer it just happened

49:08

we missed it is crazier than

49:10

the entire government is working with Hamas.

49:13

Really. That's the thing. It's

49:15

crazier, especially because it within like the

49:18

cross time people know like

49:20

it's like a known thing.

49:22

There's nobody, there's no army,

49:24

there's no intelligence unit smarter,

49:26

better, stronger, more in control

49:29

than us. That's what we were talking

49:31

about. Right. And then like you're thinking that

49:33

people also have this idea there in their

49:35

head that like Hamas is like fighting with

49:38

like sticks and stones, you know what I

49:40

mean? They don't realize the amount of money

49:42

that's been like billions of dollars. Billions that's

49:44

been infused into them with their

49:46

buying of course they're making rockets and all

49:48

this other stuff. Well they should have been using

49:50

it for infrastructure or whatever else. People assume that

49:53

we're like the Jewish Israelis are like the big

49:55

bad wolf and they're like these little, you

49:57

know, meat. These poor guys. It's

50:00

the opposite. There are also billions of

50:02

dollars that went into building tunnels. That's

50:04

where all the money went. Billions

50:07

of dollars that went into buying

50:09

weapons, rockets, guns, ammunition, and billions

50:11

of dollars to build inside Gaza

50:13

factories for weapons. So they

50:15

also build inside. People don't know

50:17

that. Exactly. They have factories.

50:21

They have factories to build these things. So

50:24

why is it that the media,

50:26

the PR with Israel is

50:28

so lousy? So terrible. And

50:31

so terrible. Where we're the

50:33

whole David and Goliath that we are

50:35

like the Goliaths. And the truth is

50:37

we're actually the opposite. We're like the

50:40

David. People forget there are 21 Muslim

50:42

countries around us. People don't

50:44

even know. Forget about forgetting. They don't even know.

50:46

And I mean, in the Six-Day War, Jordan

50:49

and Egypt denied all

50:52

the Palestinians from coming in. Denied

50:54

them. They wouldn't let them.

50:57

When they attacked us, they

50:59

told them, leave your houses. Come

51:01

back once we've killed the Jews. And

51:03

people forget all this. So the

51:06

Palestinian people are Jordanian and

51:08

they're Egyptian and they're from Lebanon.

51:11

And they're part of

51:13

21 Muslim countries around us. They're

51:15

not a small group

51:17

that lived there their entire

51:19

life. It's just wrong. I know. It's

51:22

just against the facts. And yet we're the oppressor.

51:24

Right. How did

51:26

that story, how would that even

51:28

happen? I felt like over time

51:30

it's become even worse with the

51:32

time that we've become, quote unquote,

51:34

the bad guys. So I've heard a story

51:36

which I don't know if it's true. And

51:38

if somebody hears this and can go check

51:40

it, I'd love that. I heard

51:42

a story that law firm in New York

51:46

was paid with Arab money to

51:48

change the narrative to make the

51:51

Arab people in Israel be

51:53

called the Palestinians. And

51:55

then change it so that they're the

51:58

small, poor little it

52:00

and were the Goliath to separate them

52:02

from the Arab world so that

52:05

they'll have a better story. That's

52:07

what I heard. Really? Yeah. I

52:10

heard a story similar where

52:12

their PR machine was

52:14

very strategic over years to build out

52:16

like to change the, I guess the

52:18

narrative to make it very to what

52:20

you just said, right? Like because for many,

52:22

many years back when, I mean, you're a

52:24

baby. How old are you? Like six?

52:26

Yeah. How old are

52:29

you? You're like, yeah, you're a little baby.

52:31

You're 30, right? Yeah. Like

52:33

I remember many years ago, Israel

52:35

was considered to be the, you

52:38

know, the kind of the oppressed

52:40

and like we were kind of like being,

52:42

we were the ones constantly being picked on,

52:44

which is actually the accurate story of people

52:46

actually do their research. And then

52:48

over time, especially now with social media

52:50

and everything else, so much money has

52:53

been infused with robots even with

52:55

online. And they did, I

52:57

heard the same story that they hired all

52:59

the top brains in the world

53:01

and machines and AI to create

53:03

a completely different narrative, which has

53:05

now become the propaganda machine, right?

53:08

Right. So I mean, they've

53:10

done also that. And also in

53:12

all the, like the big universities, Ivy

53:14

League, whatever, they bought the curriculum, they

53:17

bought the teachers, they bought the spots.

53:20

We put in money and made

53:22

buildings, like the Jewish people made

53:24

buildings, but they bought whoever's teaching.

53:27

Isn't that exactly true? I was able to... Oh

53:29

yeah, I've read articles about it. It's, it's completely true. It's

53:31

100%. Okay, tell us about that. We

53:33

can talk about it because that's 100%. So a lot of money.

53:35

Yeah. A lot of money have

53:37

come from the Arab world, the big oil

53:39

money, Qatar, the big oil money to, I

53:42

think it started, if I'm not mistaken in

53:44

the seventies, that was when it started. They

53:47

gave money to the Ivy League

53:49

and they gave them two conditions.

53:52

One condition was to close the

53:54

Jewish history studies, close it. And

53:57

the second one was that they get to choose

53:59

the teachers. And the Ivy League

54:01

said they won't close it, but they

54:03

will minimalize the Jewish studies. And they

54:06

got to a number that they all

54:08

agree on, and courses and whoever teaches

54:10

the courses. But they agreed on the

54:12

teachers, that the Arab money can put

54:14

in their own teachers. And that's, I'm

54:16

talking about the 70s, that's when they

54:18

started to change the narrative. So it's

54:20

been 50 years that they've been working

54:22

on this to change whatever they learn

54:24

at school. And then all the kids

54:26

just go and learn the wrong narrative.

54:29

They forget that the

54:31

Palestinian people have been created

54:33

when? When was the Palestinian flag created? 1964?

54:37

So before that, there were Jews. And

54:39

way before that there were Jews. And

54:41

we've been there the entire time. They

54:43

forget to tell that every single Arab-Israeli

54:45

war has been started by Arabs. It

54:48

has never been our side that started

54:50

a war. We always wanted peace. They

54:52

forget to say the 6th of October was

54:55

a ceasefire. We've been on ceasefire since 2014,

54:57

which we never broke, and they've been shooting

54:59

rockets at us. The only reason

55:01

they haven't heard of it is because we have Iron Dome. So

55:03

if we talk about the thousands of rockets

55:06

that they've been shooting since 2014, and Israel

55:08

hasn't done anything, hasn't been attacking, people

55:11

forget to mention that. And then

55:13

the 7th of October was just

55:15

the continuation of thousands of rockets

55:17

being fired since 2014. And

55:20

then they attacked, and then they came in.

55:22

And they literally left us no option. No

55:24

option. No option. Okay, so talk

55:26

about what happened with you. So then you're

55:28

acting, doing all your stuff. I'm

55:31

preparing for a role that I was supposed to

55:33

– I'm not going to say where, but in

55:35

a U.S. network, I'll tell you

55:37

later, that I was preparing for three months. You already

55:40

had a job? I already had a job that

55:42

I was supposed to fly out October 22nd. Fly

55:45

out to film three months, yeah. So

55:48

I'm preparing for that role, and I

55:50

have another film that I'm preparing for that

55:53

it was supposed to film in March. And

55:55

so that's what I have ahead of

55:57

me, and it's

55:59

October. I'm 6 and

56:02

we're driving me and my girlfriend down south

56:04

and she won't tell me where we're going.

56:07

I only know it's my birthday party. That's what we're celebrating.

56:10

And we're driving down south and we

56:12

go into this like glamping site in

56:15

Ritesh Ramon in the Ramon Crater

56:17

down south. And my

56:19

entire teammates are there. My whole team is there waiting

56:22

for me and my best friends from home. When you

56:24

say team, what do you mean? It's my team for

56:26

my unit. Oh, so you are literally

56:28

like best friends with these people. Yeah,

56:30

they're my best friends. No matter what.

56:32

Yeah, they're my best friends. Regardless about

56:34

this. I mean, we've seen everything together,

56:36

shed tears, blood, sweat, everything. Totally. And

56:38

we've become best friends. And my friends

56:41

from home were there as well. And

56:44

she organized this whole event

56:46

for me and they closed this entire glamping

56:48

site and brought a barbecue, like

56:50

a guy that did a barbecue for

56:52

us and DJs that had music on

56:54

for us. And that's how we were

56:56

supposed to spend the entire weekend. Yeah. So

57:00

what happened on your birthday? That was supposed to be

57:02

between the 6th of October and the 8th of October,

57:04

my birthday, my 30th birthday party. Your

57:07

life is like very eerie and

57:09

surreal in a lot of ways. My life is like always

57:11

on the edge. Yeah. I

57:13

never have like a normal situation

57:15

Monday afternoon. Never. Like soon

57:18

as they never regular Monday. Yeah. Wow.

57:22

Always in the extreme. And what's even more surreal

57:24

is that at the end of my birthday, so

57:26

we're celebrating all day and we

57:29

at 11 p.m. they have to

57:31

shut off the music because we're in this open

57:33

place and that's the law in Israel in these

57:36

special places. You have to shut off the music

57:38

at 11 p.m., which was lucky because we'd be

57:40

partying till the morning. 11 p.m. we shut off

57:42

the music. We sit around like a bonfire and

57:45

we start like talking my entire

57:48

team and friends and me and

57:50

we all like bless each other and talk

57:52

about like what's waiting for us this year.

57:55

And everybody is laughing at me that

57:58

my life is always so extreme. It

58:00

was a joke that night. Yeah, it

58:03

was crazy. The joke was your life is

58:05

always extreme. Of course, this is your 30th

58:07

birthday party, the best party ever. That's what

58:09

they're saying. And then we go

58:11

to sleep and on the

58:13

way to the tent, I take my girlfriend, I kiss her and

58:15

I thank her for the best day of my life. That's how

58:17

we ended the day. And then I go to sleep. And

58:20

then I wake up and she says, I'm

58:23

sorry, there's a war. Check your phone. That's

58:25

it. And I check my phone and I have a message from

58:27

a commander. I get to the base. Everyone now,

58:30

I wake up my team. We get on

58:32

the cars. We start driving down

58:34

south. And she is the last car because

58:36

she's a journalist. She's going down there

58:38

as well to give the news. Oh

58:40

my God. Yeah. Okay. And

58:43

then so we're driving all of us one after the other.

58:45

She's the last. All the way we're

58:47

on the phone, me and her. She's really

58:49

too. Yeah. Okay.

58:51

I turned to the base. She goes down

58:53

south and she's supposed to go to like

58:55

a news. Like outlet

58:58

or whatever. Yeah. Like a

59:00

new station. Station. But in the field.

59:02

Like not like a closed station. Just like

59:04

something that they put up for when there's

59:07

a war. And she goes

59:09

there and I go to the base. And

59:11

then I get prepared. We get into

59:13

the car. My entire team drives down

59:15

south. We're driving like guns out the

59:17

windows because we understand that everywhere terrorists

59:19

could be waiting for us. And

59:21

a car before us gets jumped by terrorists on

59:24

the way down south. We stop the car. Now take

59:26

care of the terrorists. Get in the car. Keep

59:29

driving. Hold on a minute. You

59:31

were like in the car. Yeah. We're on

59:33

the way. Our first mission was Qfaraza. And you had a car

59:35

coming towards you or like in front of you or whatever and you

59:37

thought terrorists there. Yeah. What

59:39

was he doing? Terrorists attacked a car. A

59:42

terrorist like squad. Were they on

59:44

the car? Like give me the thing. We're all driving

59:46

like on the road. Okay. On

59:48

the way to our mission. Okay. They're

59:51

driving to separate mission. We're driving to Qfaraza but

59:53

we're on the same road down south. And

59:56

a terrorist squad that was hiding in the bushes jumps

59:58

them. Starts shooting at them. And

1:00:00

then we all just get out, kill the

1:00:02

terrorists. How did you kill the terrorists? Shoot

1:00:04

them. But how did you even have the stuff? You had

1:00:06

all the stuff? Oh, we had everything. We stopped in

1:00:08

the base, got prepared, got on like our army

1:00:11

car, and went down south. Okay, okay, okay. I

1:00:13

didn't realize you had to suffer. Okay, sorry. I

1:00:15

was like, just, okay. This is unbelievable. Got off.

1:00:18

How many terrorists, by the way? A squad, so like three

1:00:20

or four. Yeah. I mean, we

1:00:22

didn't even stop to like assess the situation.

1:00:24

We just finished getting the car, go. Like

1:00:27

it was that, yeah. Did any innocent people get killed?

1:00:29

No. There weren't any

1:00:31

innocent people there because a second

1:00:34

after that or before that we

1:00:36

got to like the blockage of

1:00:39

where the police are and the

1:00:41

army are. They're stopping any civilians

1:00:43

from coming through because they don't

1:00:45

want anybody to go into the war zone. So

1:00:48

we get there, we pass that, and

1:00:50

then just like the entire

1:00:52

road was full of

1:00:55

bodies all over, and we're

1:00:58

driving our car through the bodies just

1:01:00

like that. And then on the right

1:01:02

and to the left of the street – What

1:01:05

car are you driving? Just your own car? No,

1:01:07

our army car. Okay, you're driving an army car?

1:01:09

The whole team is together. We're all prepared, guns

1:01:11

out, driving down south. Do you have a bulletproof

1:01:13

vest on? Yeah, but it protects you

1:01:15

like here. I was going to say because it

1:01:17

doesn't protect everything. Not on your left side, yeah,

1:01:19

or your right side. It just protects here? The

1:01:22

middle, the back, and like a little bit of

1:01:24

the sides, but not up

1:01:26

here. Okay, go on. Because I mean you have to be –

1:01:29

Agile. Yeah, agile. Yeah, you have to be able to

1:01:31

move. Okay, so then go on. So are

1:01:33

you freaking out right now? No, we're like

1:01:36

focused. We know what we're going to now.

1:01:38

We're laser focused. We

1:01:40

see cars on the right and on the left like

1:01:42

burning with bodies inside. Yeah, and

1:01:44

whatever car wasn't on fire, just bodies

1:01:46

like spilling out of the car

1:01:49

and all over the road. So

1:01:52

that road today is known as the blood highway. So

1:01:55

we're driving down that road just

1:01:57

literally going through the bus.

1:02:01

And I remember the guy driving, there was like

1:02:03

a terrorist dead on the

1:02:05

left, like with his head.

1:02:08

And he asked me if I saw it. I was like, yeah. I

1:02:11

want you to tell me the details. What did

1:02:13

you see? His head was off? So that terrorist,

1:02:15

yeah, his head was like disconnected

1:02:18

from his throat. And

1:02:20

he was just all broken up, which we

1:02:23

were very happy about because he

1:02:25

came in with like a motorcycle with

1:02:28

RPGs to shot down cars on

1:02:30

the way. But civilian

1:02:32

bodies of Israeli civilians just

1:02:35

on the floor next to him. How many did you see? How

1:02:37

many did you say? Just there? Yeah.

1:02:41

Just there, yeah. That we're driving through

1:02:43

and that are in the cars on the side of the road. Oh my

1:02:45

God. Yeah. So that's

1:02:47

how we started. Like that's the

1:02:49

first thing we saw. And

1:02:51

then we keep on driving down south. The

1:02:54

entire time we have rockets falling left and

1:02:56

right. Yeah. Everything's burning. Okay. Yeah.

1:02:59

It just didn't feel like we're in Israel. It

1:03:01

felt like we're, I don't know, in a crazy

1:03:03

war zone outside of the world. Okay. Yeah.

1:03:07

It sounds like a movie. It does sound like a movie. Yeah.

1:03:09

It was like a extreme

1:03:11

action movie. Really extreme. But

1:03:13

like you couldn't believe this

1:03:15

is Israel. You couldn't understand that.

1:03:18

So how many people are you, I know you're not, you're not,

1:03:20

you're like with you at this moment as you're going down this

1:03:22

blood road. How many people are with

1:03:25

you? Okay. And you guys are all just kind

1:03:27

of like going through these bodies. Guns

1:03:29

are all out. Okay. We're

1:03:32

talking to each other, like get prepared, get

1:03:34

your bullets in the chambers, whatever. Everybody be

1:03:37

ready to get out of the car. Like

1:03:39

we're getting each other hyped up. And

1:03:42

until we get to Kfarazah. Okay.

1:03:44

And then Kfarazah is a kibbutz

1:03:47

where we get there and everything's on

1:03:49

fire. Everything's just like exploding. And you

1:03:52

hear the gunshots inside and you hear

1:03:54

the fighting inside. And what we

1:03:57

had to do was get connected to the

1:03:59

team that's already fighting. fighting for a few

1:04:01

hours and get inside and help them. And

1:04:03

they didn't answer the communication, the radio, because

1:04:05

they were in the middle of fighting. And

1:04:08

you can't just go in because friendly fire.

1:04:10

So we had to just figure out what

1:04:12

to do. So what we did was we

1:04:14

opened up a medical point outside

1:04:16

of the kibbutz. So we asked a

1:04:19

different team that was there to drive

1:04:21

their armored vehicle inside, get

1:04:23

out the injured people and bring them

1:04:25

to us. And that's what they did, yeah.

1:04:28

So what if there were terrorists there who were gonna

1:04:30

kill them while they were walking out? So an hour

1:04:32

in, a car came racing out.

1:04:35

We shoot down the tires. We

1:04:37

stopped the car. We pulled the guy that's

1:04:39

driving out of the car. And he had

1:04:41

two girls, two women, that he tried to

1:04:43

kidnap in the back of his car. So

1:04:46

it was a Hamas terrorist just

1:04:48

racing out of the kibbutz with

1:04:51

two women tied up in

1:04:53

the back. So we knew there could be

1:04:55

a terrorist anywhere, but we didn't care

1:04:57

because we knew that there were civilians injured inside

1:04:59

and we had to take care of them. So

1:05:01

that armored car went in, brought out

1:05:03

the civilians. Did you kill that terrorist? No,

1:05:06

so we tied him up and sent him

1:05:08

to interrogation. We need that

1:05:10

information at that point, especially because we

1:05:12

have no idea what's going on. How

1:05:14

old are these guys that you saw? So

1:05:17

he was about 20 years old. So these

1:05:19

guys are like kids, basically. They're kids, but

1:05:21

we fought guys at around, I'd say most

1:05:24

of them were around 30-ish. That's

1:05:26

what it seemed like, 30-ish, a little more, a

1:05:28

little less. So

1:05:31

combatants, men that were trained, that

1:05:33

were prepared, that had an

1:05:35

infinite amount of ammunition on them,

1:05:38

that's what it was. I saw the

1:05:40

amount of ammunition these guys had. It

1:05:43

wasn't that little. Each one of them

1:05:45

brought crazy amounts of ammunition. I

1:05:48

mean, it was mind boggling. And you

1:05:50

see the videos, they go into the

1:05:52

kibbutz, they shoot down the tires

1:05:54

of the ambulance so that the

1:05:57

ambulance can't move. They

1:05:59

shoot down at the... The Nova Festival, I

1:06:02

have a friend that was injured there. She was with me in

1:06:04

the hospital. She was shot in

1:06:06

the leg. They shot an RPG at

1:06:08

a moving ambulance with her

1:06:10

friend inside, burnt her all up,

1:06:13

killed her on spot. They went

1:06:15

to the medical aid tent at the

1:06:17

festival, threw grenades inside, the medical aid

1:06:19

tent. They came with

1:06:22

infinite amount of ammunition with the sole goal

1:06:25

to kill as many people as they can.

1:06:28

It didn't matter if it was old people, young

1:06:30

people, injured people, doctors, whatever. Just kill

1:06:32

them. Also, the people that they

1:06:34

were killing are like the most, they were

1:06:37

like peace protesters. They were like the most...

1:06:40

Believed in the peace and in living next to Gaza.

1:06:43

Can you believe how insane this is? It

1:06:46

wasn't anybody... Shooting themselves in the legs. The

1:06:48

problem is the world isn't looking out like

1:06:50

that. These are the people who are kumbaya, we can

1:06:52

all be friends, we can all work together. We can all live

1:06:54

next to Gaza, everything's going to be fine, don't worry. And that's

1:06:56

who they're killing. So then, okay. So

1:06:58

I mean, we're taking care of civilians

1:07:00

and the first, like the first

1:07:03

person we're taking care of is

1:07:05

they open up the armored vehicle and

1:07:07

this mother steps out,

1:07:10

she's hugging her three-year-old daughter

1:07:13

and they're both burnt all the

1:07:15

way from head to toe. Her daughter

1:07:18

is screaming and

1:07:20

the mother has like a piece of

1:07:22

shrapnel in between her eyes with

1:07:24

blood all the way down her face. Holding

1:07:27

her daughter, a terrorist just shot an RPG

1:07:29

in their house. That's the

1:07:31

tromas enemies, that's who they're killing. That

1:07:33

three-year-old girl. So her mother saved her life.

1:07:35

She ran into her room which was on

1:07:37

fire, pulled that little girl out, came out

1:07:40

to us. We had to separate them

1:07:42

and give them each like the medical attention.

1:07:45

And then from there on, it was just like

1:07:47

a guy came out with his leg cut off

1:07:49

and you see this guy that his life is

1:07:51

over, that's it. And another guy who was dying

1:07:53

in her hands with his stomach just wide

1:07:55

open. Yeah, absolutely. He

1:07:58

was, I don't know if he was cut or she was. or wherever

1:08:00

his stomach is wide open, and

1:08:02

he's dying next to us. You can see it,

1:08:05

you can feel him dying. And they're shooting

1:08:07

rockets at us, and we're lying down on

1:08:09

them to protect them, and then

1:08:11

keep on giving them medical attention. And

1:08:13

all the time we hear our team,

1:08:15

our second team, that won't answer the

1:08:18

communication fighting inside. Yes, and

1:08:20

you hear them shooting RPGs at them and

1:08:22

everything. Okay, so then what happens? So we're

1:08:24

there. How many hours are we talking about?

1:08:26

What number? So that was like two, three hours. Okay.

1:08:29

We're taking care of just injured civilians

1:08:31

and soldiers, and we're

1:08:34

taking care of civilians and injured people here,

1:08:39

and on the left side of the street, we're just

1:08:41

piling up bodies that come out. That's

1:08:43

what we're doing for three hours, just piling

1:08:45

them up, one after the other. Civilians,

1:08:48

soldiers, whatever, whatever came,

1:08:51

yeah. And then we finish

1:08:53

that, and we get called from our unit to tell

1:08:55

us that you've gotta get to Cubus

1:08:57

Beri as fast as possible. Leave

1:08:59

what you're doing, get to Cubus Beri. So

1:09:02

what we did was we left one team

1:09:04

there at Caraza, and the team that I

1:09:06

was in, we drove to Beri. How far

1:09:08

are the two? A few minutes drive.

1:09:11

Oh, okay. Yeah, just a few minutes. And

1:09:13

so we leave Cubus Caraza, we get

1:09:15

on our cars, we start driving, we

1:09:17

get to Cubus Beri, where

1:09:20

we just, like, here

1:09:23

we didn't wait for any orders. We just went

1:09:25

in, straightforward, and

1:09:27

what we did was me and, like,

1:09:30

my partner in battle, so David, so

1:09:32

we went in straight to a team

1:09:34

that was fighting inside, and my team

1:09:36

just went around the Cubus, like, flank

1:09:38

them to get to the other side

1:09:40

to meet us in the

1:09:42

middle, so that we can cover as much ground as

1:09:44

possible. So that's what we did, me

1:09:46

and David went in, and we met a

1:09:48

different team that was there fighting already from

1:09:50

the morning. I get out of the armored

1:09:52

vehicle next to them, and we put in

1:09:55

our friend who's bleeding out. That's

1:09:57

how I entered the battle. And then...

1:10:00

I'm in the battle and my

1:10:02

commander says to me, okay, we have, you

1:10:04

see that playground? There are terrorists in the

1:10:06

back of the playground and we're shooting like

1:10:08

over a blue slide and I'm jumping over

1:10:11

like a seesaw. Yeah, and we're

1:10:13

fighting in a kid's playground. That's

1:10:16

like the first battle in Kibbutz Beri.

1:10:18

And while we're doing that, there's another terrorist

1:10:21

squad fighting us from the left, from these

1:10:23

garbage cans that were there and another terrorist

1:10:25

squad from the back fighting whoever's in back.

1:10:27

So how'd you not get killed? Like how'd you not

1:10:29

get shot and burned and? Because we're good

1:10:32

fighters. But like, there's so many of

1:10:34

them and like you don't know where

1:10:36

they're coming from. Yeah, so you're always

1:10:38

fighting like, what was in our

1:10:40

mind was we're fighting at 360 degrees at

1:10:42

all times. That's what we understood. That's what

1:10:44

we realized pretty fast. And you

1:10:47

see a window, there's a gun on it. You see

1:10:49

a door, you have a gun on it. Like there's

1:10:51

no weak points. You can't afford

1:10:53

having a weak point. And

1:10:55

so we would just like fight

1:10:58

at all times at 360. And if

1:11:00

we're outside fighting, like in this situation, you

1:11:03

finish the fight as fast as possible

1:11:05

and get a house, clear out

1:11:07

the house, which means you're

1:11:09

fighting inside, killing a terrorist or

1:11:11

terrorist squad and then saving the

1:11:13

family that's in the room, in

1:11:15

the safe room. You do that,

1:11:18

you get the family out of the house. You bring an

1:11:20

armored car, you get the family in the armored car and

1:11:22

you send them out of the Kibbutz. And

1:11:24

then you're in the safe house,

1:11:26

you regroup, you put new ammunition

1:11:28

in, you drink water, kind

1:11:30

of see everybody's doing all right, nobody's hurt. All

1:11:33

right, next house. So that was the mission.

1:11:36

And you just moved from house to house. But

1:11:38

like, how do you even have a second? There's

1:11:40

so many terrorists there. Yeah, there is no

1:11:42

second. There's no anything. So I mean, so we're

1:11:44

fighting a terrorist there. And

1:11:46

so we're in the house now and we regroup. And

1:11:48

then there's a terrorist in a window in front of

1:11:50

us. And we have three gunmen, I'm one of them.

1:11:52

We're shooting him and our commanders

1:11:54

in back of us are already

1:11:57

preparing the next thing. So you have

1:11:59

no, there is no second. They are preparing,

1:12:01

alright, the next house. You

1:12:03

finished? Good, go. And also,

1:12:05

like, you have no, like, no matter how much

1:12:08

training you have, you've never, I can't, you've never

1:12:10

done anything like this before. It's just all, like,

1:12:12

in theory, you're practicing. So, I mean, I've done

1:12:14

battle and I've done close counter battle and everything.

1:12:16

But not like this. Not like this, no. And

1:12:19

not with the amount of hostages. That was

1:12:22

the, like, the biggest

1:12:24

disadvantage that we had. Yeah.

1:12:27

If it was 20 soldiers against 500 terrorists,

1:12:29

and I could do anything I wanted to

1:12:31

do, I could throw a grenade in each

1:12:33

house, game over. We'd destroy them.

1:12:35

I don't care how many they are. But because

1:12:38

I, every time I enter a house,

1:12:40

I have a family that's a hostage

1:12:42

inside that house, I can't shoot my

1:12:44

gun until I don't see the terrorist. Yeah.

1:12:47

I can't throw a grenade in. I can't

1:12:50

shoot a missile into the, into the house

1:12:52

because I have a hostage inside the house.

1:12:54

So that was our biggest disadvantage. And

1:12:57

they knew it. And they knew it. Yeah.

1:13:00

And they worked, exactly. They knew that you were going to do that. Right.

1:13:03

They knew it. So they would

1:13:05

wait for us, wait behind the terror, the family

1:13:07

or wait next, next to the family or a

1:13:09

door next to them so that we would have

1:13:11

that disadvantage, which we would still beat them all

1:13:14

day. We still managed to beat them. How? So

1:13:16

instead of going in the door, we went through the windows. Okay.

1:13:19

So then what, so then, so go on. So then you're doing

1:13:21

all this. Right. So we're going,

1:13:23

we're clearing houses all day. That's

1:13:25

what we're doing for hours. And

1:13:27

I mean, nobody's looking at their phone. Nobody's

1:13:30

looking at their watch. We're just

1:13:32

fighting. Aren't you scared? No,

1:13:34

I don't. It's a question that being asked

1:13:36

a lot. You're not scared because first of

1:13:38

all, we're very well prepared, very well trained.

1:13:40

And also to see a

1:13:42

family of hostages with your

1:13:44

eyes and then literally

1:13:46

stand between them and terrorists

1:13:49

gives you so much power

1:13:51

and such a strong position to be in

1:13:53

because I'm not going to let them get

1:13:55

through no matter what, because they're

1:13:58

behind me because that family's behind me. So

1:14:01

fear was like out of the window.

1:14:03

Nobody cared. We were there to fight. And

1:14:06

the adrenaline, I'm sure, because you had a

1:14:08

job to do. Yeah. Okay,

1:14:11

and then like so what happens now? So

1:14:13

we're fighting all day. We're clearing

1:14:15

houses. We're seeing really the most horrific

1:14:17

things from entire families that were burnt

1:14:20

and just bodies left out

1:14:22

of the houses to die and

1:14:24

entire family that a terrorist, like

1:14:27

what they did with the family was put

1:14:29

the parents on top and then two siblings

1:14:31

and then two younger siblings and terrorists just

1:14:33

like shot them all in a pile and

1:14:36

left the four bodies there. The two youngest siblings

1:14:38

that were on the bottom managed to run

1:14:40

out. So we see just a pile of bodies

1:14:43

in between houses. And then so that

1:14:46

was the entire day, just going through

1:14:48

houses, saving the hostages that we can

1:14:50

save, killing the terrorists that were there

1:14:52

and just getting to

1:14:55

as many houses as we can. That

1:14:57

was that day until about so it

1:14:59

was 7 p.m. So it was already

1:15:01

after sundown. So it was pretty dark

1:15:04

out. And our mission

1:15:06

now was to get to like

1:15:08

the big hostage situation that was

1:15:10

in the kibbutz. We didn't know

1:15:12

how many hostages there were. This

1:15:14

was all big hostage situation? So

1:15:16

the big hostage situation was there was

1:15:19

a rumor that day. The dining room

1:15:21

of Kibbutz Berry had 50 hostages inside.

1:15:25

And we heard that and that

1:15:27

became our mission to get there. They were

1:15:29

hiding in there? No. Hostages. Yeah,

1:15:32

no, the hostages were like... Holding 50 hostages.

1:15:35

Why would they be... Hold on a second. So yeah, I

1:15:37

didn't know this. So this was the rumor. Okay. So

1:15:40

it was just a rumor and I'll clear it

1:15:42

up now. So the intelligence we get is the

1:15:45

dining room of Kibbutz Berry. So it's a kibbutz.

1:15:47

So they all eat together in like a big

1:15:49

dining room. So there's a dining

1:15:51

room. The rumor is the terrorists took 50 people

1:15:55

from different families, put them in the dining

1:15:57

room and are holding them hostage now.

1:16:00

So that's 50 people. So that's like

1:16:02

the big hostage situation. The reality of

1:16:04

it was that there was a woman

1:16:06

named Pesi Cohen, that's her name. She

1:16:09

took in survivors from the party,

1:16:11

from the Nova Festival, and fed

1:16:13

them at her house. Fourteen

1:16:15

survivors. And the

1:16:17

terrorists came in there and saw just

1:16:20

a table full of food and called it

1:16:22

the dining room between themselves. And that's the

1:16:25

information we got. That's the intelligence we got.

1:16:27

So they called it the dining room. So we were on our

1:16:30

way to that house. Fourteen hostages.

1:16:33

Then we thought it was 50. Today we know it was 14. Two

1:16:36

survived. That's it. So... Two?

1:16:40

Two. Yeah. Two women.

1:16:43

That's it. They killed everybody else.

1:16:45

They killed everybody else. Yeah. And

1:16:47

why did those two survive? How did they survive? I don't know.

1:16:50

So I didn't get there, sadly. But we were on our way. And

1:16:52

we had one house left until we

1:16:54

get to that house. And

1:16:57

I'm leading my team. And David, my

1:16:59

partner in battle, so he's next to

1:17:01

me. He's number two. And we get

1:17:03

out of that last house. And I'm

1:17:05

on my way to the house before

1:17:07

the big hostage situation. And

1:17:09

I'm about 10, 15 yards from the

1:17:11

door. Which until now, what I did was

1:17:13

you get to the door. You smash in the door

1:17:16

and you start fighting whoever's fighting or saving whoever needs

1:17:18

to be saved. And I'm about

1:17:20

15 yards, 10 yards from the door. And

1:17:22

the terrorist takes his gun out of a

1:17:25

window from the right side and

1:17:28

shoots around. He misses, but

1:17:30

he gets one bullet through

1:17:32

my trigger finger, which is a

1:17:34

little shorter now. Yeah.

1:17:37

Yeah. So he gets it through my trigger

1:17:39

finger. I managed to just switch fingers. And then

1:17:41

me and David attack him, kill that terrorist. And

1:17:44

then I get back to the door. And I'm

1:17:46

running towards the door. Because I realized, OK, there

1:17:48

are terrorists inside. There are probably hostages. I got

1:17:50

to get there as fast as possible. So I'm

1:17:52

running to the door. And then

1:17:54

when I get to the step of the door, a

1:17:57

terrorist takes out his gun from the window right next

1:17:59

to the door. to me and

1:18:01

shoots a full round at me and

1:18:03

David, which a round of an AK-47 is 100 bullets in 10

1:18:07

seconds. So it's aggressive gun.

1:18:09

Yeah. So he shoots a round at us, hits

1:18:12

us both. We both fall, which

1:18:14

I'll tell you a crazy piece of information that

1:18:16

I found out this week. I

1:18:19

found out on Sunday or Monday. We both

1:18:21

fall and I look under the house

1:18:23

and I see that there's like an opening. So

1:18:25

I push David in and I go in myself

1:18:27

and I turn around and just

1:18:29

aim my gun towards the stairs of the door.

1:18:32

So I'm laying there aiming my gun because in

1:18:34

my mind, a terrorist is going

1:18:36

to come out and throw a grenade or

1:18:38

shoot at me. So I'm prepared to

1:18:40

shoot at him first. So I know if I

1:18:42

see feet coming at

1:18:45

me, I'm shooting. And

1:18:48

then I look back and there's like another opening behind

1:18:50

me and I feel like, okay, he's going to, they're

1:18:52

so they're going to come in back of me. So

1:18:54

I take like my Glock out of my leg and

1:18:56

I put it here and I see that I can

1:18:58

get to back here. So I'm

1:19:00

like, okay, I got this out of

1:19:02

under control. I feel pretty protected where

1:19:04

I am. And my team

1:19:07

is continuing fighting it like,

1:19:09

I don't know where we came from. So

1:19:11

they went back to the house and they're

1:19:13

now battling the terrorists that are coming at

1:19:15

them, just closing in on them. So

1:19:17

they're fighting their fight.

1:19:20

Me and David are under

1:19:22

the house with my gun. I'm

1:19:24

looking at those stairs. I'm looking back.

1:19:26

I'm ready for what's going to happen.

1:19:28

And then just time goes by. I

1:19:30

take my radio out. I tell

1:19:33

my team that I'm injured and David is next

1:19:35

to me injured. We're under the house. They

1:19:37

say, okay, we're coming to get you. They prepare for

1:19:39

like a rescue mission. They come out

1:19:41

and then they get shot down as well. Three

1:19:44

soldiers get shot down. One

1:19:46

guy gets a bullet in his leg.

1:19:48

Another one, a bullet in his throat,

1:19:50

which luckily hit nothing important. He's fine

1:19:53

now. Totally fine. And another one that

1:19:55

had two bullets in his legs, two

1:19:57

bullets in his arms and a bullet that stopped. right

1:20:00

between his helmet and his head just

1:20:02

snapped. He told me after that he

1:20:05

fell, the first thing that went through his

1:20:07

mind was, I told my wife I'm not gonna die. That's

1:20:09

what he said. No way. So

1:20:12

they got shot down, they got pulled

1:20:14

back to the medical point, and I

1:20:17

hear that on my radio, and

1:20:19

I know that's it, game

1:20:21

over. Like me and David are

1:20:23

stuck. And time

1:20:25

keeps going by, and I tell

1:20:28

David that it's time to check our wounds. Why?

1:20:31

Why did you think of that then? Because I have to, because

1:20:34

I felt if I have a bullet in my leg, I

1:20:36

could close it up and deal with

1:20:39

it and not die. I had to know

1:20:41

what my situation was, just

1:20:43

my medical situation. So I

1:20:46

feel my legs, I'm fine, my stomach, I'm

1:20:48

fine. My head, I have blood around my

1:20:51

eyes, but I'm fine. And

1:20:53

I have just like a piercing pain

1:20:56

all through my left side, which I can't

1:20:58

move because of it. And I

1:21:01

realized there's no option but to start

1:21:03

checking it. So I put my hand

1:21:06

here, and I feel just

1:21:08

like a bullet hole in my

1:21:10

chest, and like the side of my chest. So the

1:21:13

bullet proof vest ends here. It

1:21:15

kind of does this slanted ending. So

1:21:17

right there, I have a bullet through

1:21:20

my chest. I have two bullets

1:21:22

in my vest, in my protected, like the

1:21:24

ceramic protection. So that saved you, the bullet

1:21:26

proof vest. Two bullets saved me, yeah.

1:21:29

A bullet here, which I feel,

1:21:31

and I feel I'm losing blood from it. And

1:21:34

I feel my, just my breath, I'm

1:21:36

losing my breath, which means my lung

1:21:38

is punctured, and probably filling up the

1:21:40

blood. And my arm is just,

1:21:42

I can't feel it, but I'm just, I'm so

1:21:45

much pain here. So I move my

1:21:47

arm just to feel what's going on. And

1:21:49

all I could feel is like an opening, just

1:21:52

wide open, yeah. And

1:21:54

I kind of touch it, and

1:21:57

I could feel just like the inside of

1:21:59

my arm. and I'm losing

1:22:01

a lot of blood. I can just feel

1:22:03

the blood coming out through

1:22:05

my shirt because I'm on my

1:22:07

right side and it's like spraying out on

1:22:09

my face. So I

1:22:12

realize that it's just a matter

1:22:14

of time. Like it's just,

1:22:17

I just have a few minutes. And I asked David what's

1:22:19

up with him and he's telling me he has a

1:22:21

bullet in his stomach and a bullet in his chest and

1:22:23

three bullets in his arm. And

1:22:25

we're both losing blood very fast.

1:22:28

And we can't move. And I

1:22:31

realized also that the only thing that's keeping

1:22:33

my lung from totally collapsing is my equipment.

1:22:35

So if I move and it loosens up,

1:22:38

it'll let all the blood in. So I can't move at

1:22:40

all. And David can't move

1:22:42

as well. So we're just waiting there,

1:22:44

waiting to be attacked from a terrorist.

1:22:47

And I'm talking to my team the whole time

1:22:49

on the radio and they're in battle. They're fighting.

1:22:52

Terrorists that are just closing in on them. And

1:22:54

they're trying to get to us, but they can't

1:22:57

and they're fighting and they can't. And then about,

1:22:59

I don't know, 45 minutes in. You're

1:23:01

still alive. Yeah. After 45 minutes.

1:23:04

So I'm like, I'm losing it, coming back, losing it,

1:23:06

coming back. I feel my arms like just letting go

1:23:08

of my gun and I wake up and I'm like,

1:23:10

no, I have to hold my gun. Like

1:23:12

I have to hold my gun. And David too. And

1:23:14

David's next to me, yeah. And he's

1:23:17

doing the same thing. And he's doing the same

1:23:19

thing. And we're just both trying to be focused

1:23:21

as much as we can, but we know that

1:23:23

like just a matter of time until this is

1:23:25

it, yeah. What were you

1:23:27

thinking? So I

1:23:30

was thinking only of two things. First

1:23:32

one was of surviving. That's what was

1:23:34

in my head, survival. And

1:23:37

as cliche as it is, I was thinking

1:23:40

about my girlfriend and that I should have

1:23:42

married her. And then I should have brought

1:23:44

kids with her. And I didn't.

1:23:47

And I felt like I just, I messed up. And

1:23:50

I felt if I did one thing wrong in

1:23:52

life, it was not marrying her

1:23:54

already and not having a kid with her.

1:23:58

How long have you guys been dating at this point? Two

1:24:00

years. Two years. Wow. Always

1:24:03

two years. And you were thinking about that. That's it.

1:24:06

Nothing else. Couldn't think of anything else. Oh

1:24:08

my gosh. I'm going to cry. Okay, so then

1:24:10

what happened? So 45 minutes

1:24:13

go by and then suddenly a guy

1:24:15

comes on my radio and tells me that

1:24:18

he's coming in with a tank. And

1:24:20

I was like, I couldn't understand what he said. I

1:24:23

didn't get what he meant and he said,

1:24:25

listen, I'm coming in with a tank. Now

1:24:27

I later learned that this guy gets to

1:24:29

the kibbutz a little after us, sees

1:24:32

a tank, gets in the tank

1:24:34

with the tank like a team, just

1:24:37

goes in without waiting for any command.

1:24:39

No green light just went in, killed

1:24:42

tens of terrorists. Who's this guy?

1:24:44

This guy from my unit. A

1:24:47

hero. And he basically just said, he just, he

1:24:50

said, I have to save everybody in this

1:24:53

kibbutz. I'm going in with a tank. He's

1:24:55

never been in a tank in his life before this. Yeah.

1:24:59

And I think he went and shot everybody. He took the team. He was

1:25:01

like, get in the tank, turn it on. We're going in.

1:25:04

I'm your new commander. Just walked in, started

1:25:06

driving. People should do that all the time. Right.

1:25:09

Why don't they? Because he, I don't know, he thought about

1:25:11

it. I don't know. Okay, go ahead. So he went in.

1:25:13

So he comes, I hear the tank coming in and

1:25:16

just parking in front of the house. And

1:25:18

then I hear all the guns like moving

1:25:21

towards the tank, towards the house.

1:25:23

And then they start working on a

1:25:25

plan how, so he can't

1:25:27

shoot inside because there may be hostages

1:25:30

inside. So he can only shoot at the

1:25:32

waffles. So the idea was to

1:25:34

shoot at the walls next

1:25:36

to the windows. To kind

1:25:38

of scare the terrorists, get them down. And

1:25:41

then when they're down, my team will flank the

1:25:43

tank and come get me. And

1:25:46

they executed it to perfection. Perfection.

1:25:49

Yeah. So he got the wall

1:25:51

and every time he kind of

1:25:54

like injured the wall, he moved so that

1:25:56

no bullet would go in so that he

1:25:58

doesn't kill any hostages. which

1:26:00

is how important it was for us not

1:26:02

to kill hostages and not to injure anyone.

1:26:04

So, and then my team flanks me

1:26:07

and comes and crawls down and

1:26:09

just gets to me and David and

1:26:12

pulls us out and I remember them

1:26:14

looking at me and saying, you're going to be

1:26:16

okay. And then at that point, I

1:26:18

said to one of the guys, I lost

1:26:20

my arm. So just forget about

1:26:22

it. And then he like

1:26:25

just found my arm in back

1:26:28

of me connected just by like

1:26:30

skin and I don't

1:26:32

know, a few blood vessels left.

1:26:34

Your arm was detached. All

1:26:37

bones were shattered. So nothing

1:26:39

is holding it together. Muscles

1:26:41

ripped all of them. Nerve

1:26:43

system cut off. So nothing's holding

1:26:46

my arm like my, I don't

1:26:48

know if you can see the, yeah.

1:26:51

So it was open the entire way up

1:26:54

through here. So it's just wide

1:26:56

open in the back, all shattered,

1:26:58

all broken up. Nothing left.

1:27:01

And he saved your arm. And he pulled my

1:27:03

arm back, tied it to my vest, to

1:27:05

my equipment, just and got me

1:27:07

out of there and saved my arm. Yeah.

1:27:10

And then they took us to the first medical

1:27:12

point where what they do there is

1:27:15

they just cut off your, like

1:27:17

your clothes to see that you

1:27:19

aren't injured anywhere else. At that

1:27:21

point, I tell them, listen, my phone is

1:27:24

on my, in my left pocket, put it

1:27:26

in my underwear. Cause I got to call a

1:27:28

device, my girlfriend, I got to call her

1:27:31

and tell her I'm fine, which I'm not, I'm

1:27:33

like almost dead. And, and they

1:27:35

do it. They listen to me. They get me out

1:27:37

of the kibbutz to the second medical point. And,

1:27:40

uh, right before I get to

1:27:42

the helicopter, I pull out, my

1:27:44

friend pulled out my phone and he asked me

1:27:47

if to call her and I tell

1:27:49

him to call her. He calls her up and

1:27:51

she, she's an investigative

1:27:53

journalist. So all day she

1:27:55

was at the Nova festival saving

1:27:58

lives. So she went in with her. Car.

1:28:00

Drove. Searched for kids. Like.

1:28:03

Left her new station, Abandoned her

1:28:05

new season. Drove. Her personal private

1:28:07

car in the fields pulled kids out of

1:28:09

the bushes and save their lives that's what

1:28:12

you did all day and brought them to

1:28:14

the met I bought that brought them back

1:28:16

to the medical points. How many kids as

1:28:18

she does it? Hundreds of gets. Her. Into

1:28:20

them and another guy just drove around saving

1:28:23

people's lives. She was the first person at

1:28:25

Noble Festival before the army before police were

1:28:27

everyone. She was the first one that saw

1:28:29

what was going on there. Yeah and and

1:28:32

there were still. I mean she was saving

1:28:34

people with terrorists are shooting at the at

1:28:36

on the other side. So. She's

1:28:38

risking her life this. Is. Amazing

1:28:40

investigative journalist that shouldn't be risking

1:28:43

her life to say these kids.

1:28:45

So. As a retired are battling

1:28:47

terrorists in the keyboards next to

1:28:49

her see saving kids that are

1:28:52

run away from terrorists that are

1:28:54

few hundred like Yard Center shooting.

1:28:56

At people. So. That's what she's

1:28:59

doing all day and then. You're making a

1:29:01

salad she went to get like a. Quart of

1:29:03

milk from Driver Market. So so as a.

1:29:05

Renaissance Day like us. Lazy you

1:29:07

and yet to saving people's lives. All.

1:29:10

Day. And like and and reporting

1:29:12

it back and and just running round and

1:29:14

pulling kids out of the bushes and. It

1:29:16

was actually terrorists around there. To yup,

1:29:18

Terrorists shooting right next to

1:29:20

her. And she's driving a her

1:29:23

car. How did she get high as

1:29:25

he survives? I. Don't know. I've

1:29:27

no idea how about. Just.

1:29:29

Yet and it's all on the news. That was all

1:29:31

live on the news. And. Her cameron is

1:29:33

running after and she's is like pulling people out

1:29:35

of the bushes. Like. Stream of her

1:29:37

name out. It's me. It's me. If I'm

1:29:40

is okay come out. Is

1:29:42

she totally traumatized? So.

1:29:45

We're. Not there yet. Yeah, throat

1:29:47

and are still in it. Were still and. Yeah.

1:29:50

But she has seen. The

1:29:53

most horrific things that people talk

1:29:55

about. She seen it all. That.

1:29:57

The party with a massacre. And. she was

1:30:00

first one there before they did

1:30:02

anything. Took out any bodies,

1:30:05

gave anyone any medical aid. She was the first

1:30:07

one there. So she saw all

1:30:09

of it? Yeah. Yeah.

1:30:12

And it's like, I guess you're still, you're like in shock

1:30:14

at this point still. Right. So

1:30:17

she's there all day and I'm fighting, like

1:30:19

battling all day and we

1:30:21

don't talk at all. And then like

1:30:23

our last phone call was, I don't

1:30:25

know, eight in the morning, like

1:30:27

talking when we split on the road.

1:30:30

That's our last phone call. Now we

1:30:32

haven't talked all day. She's getting

1:30:35

ready for like the main broadcast of

1:30:37

the night and she takes

1:30:39

out her phone, sees I have a

1:30:41

call, calls her dad. Her dad says, hasn't

1:30:43

heard, haven't heard of him all day. Haven't heard

1:30:45

from him. And then she's like

1:30:48

a minute before live broadcast, her

1:30:50

phone ring. This is my name on the

1:30:52

screen. And then she says in her mind, oh,

1:30:55

okay, great. He's fine. I won't answer the phone.

1:30:57

Put it in her pocket. And then she

1:31:00

thinks again, he says, you know what, I'll answer the phone.

1:31:02

Maybe it'll be the last time we talk in a while. She

1:31:04

answers the phone and she answers. She says,

1:31:08

she says, honey, I'm 30 seconds before broadcast.

1:31:10

Is it urgent? That's how

1:31:12

she answered the phone. And

1:31:14

I'm like, you know what? Oh, I'm going to die.

1:31:16

Yeah. So what I say to her is, um, listen,

1:31:19

I say, I'm okay. Go back to work. I

1:31:21

got shot in my chest. I'll see you at

1:31:23

home. I'm on my way to the hospital. And

1:31:26

then at that point, she realizes that like

1:31:28

my head is like probably

1:31:30

I'm exploded with adrenaline. I'm out. Like

1:31:33

I have no idea what I'm talking

1:31:35

about. And my teammate

1:31:37

tells her like I'm in bad condition

1:31:39

and she goes on live

1:31:41

television, does the broadcast, comes to meet

1:31:44

me at the hospital. And

1:31:46

at the hospital, I mean, they had, it

1:31:49

was 600 surgeries in three hours.

1:31:52

So they told

1:31:54

her we're not going to get to his arm. He

1:31:56

lost his arm. And then she brought

1:31:59

an ambulance. and put me

1:32:01

on the ambulance, brave decision,

1:32:03

like last second decision, send me to

1:32:05

the hospital in Tel Aviv where they

1:32:07

saved me. So in that place where

1:32:10

they were not going to touch your arm? So they

1:32:12

had so many injured soldiers

1:32:15

and civilians. They

1:32:17

first were saving lives and then

1:32:19

we'll get to the rest. So

1:32:21

they stabilized me? How did they

1:32:23

stabilize you then? So they close up

1:32:25

the wound, which I was losing so

1:32:27

much blood from. They close up my

1:32:29

arm and they start giving me blood

1:32:31

and plasma and everything they can, washing

1:32:34

my wounds, whatever they can do, and

1:32:36

then close me up and just wait for the operation.

1:32:39

And she's like, no way. I'm going

1:32:41

to go. She says, no way. Yeah, no

1:32:44

way. Gets ambulance, signs

1:32:46

all forms she needs to sign, gets me

1:32:48

out of there, drives like... And

1:32:50

they saved your arm. And they saved, yeah,

1:32:52

saved my arm, can move, it could work.

1:32:55

Even after so many hours, what did

1:32:57

they tell you if they waited any longer? Or

1:32:59

did they give you any kind of... Yeah. If

1:33:02

I would stay there, I would for sure lose it. And

1:33:04

if I wouldn't go straight into surgery,

1:33:06

I'd lose my arm. Right

1:33:08

away. And how long, if they didn't catch

1:33:10

you when they caught you and got you, how

1:33:13

long did you have to live? I was

1:33:16

supposed to die 50 minutes before then. Five

1:33:18

zero. Five zero. I was supposed to die

1:33:20

seven minutes after I was shot because of

1:33:22

my wounds, because of losing my

1:33:25

lung, blood going in my lung, losing my blood,

1:33:27

about seven minutes. But you survived. David next

1:33:29

to me was supposed to survive five

1:33:32

minutes. Yeah. And

1:33:34

then we get sent to the helicopter,

1:33:36

we fly out, and then I

1:33:38

wake up three days later. I wake up

1:33:40

every day, but I don't remember it. I

1:33:43

wake up three days later, that's when what

1:33:45

I start remembering. I call my commander and

1:33:48

ask him what's up with David, and he

1:33:50

says, just take care of yourself. Forget about

1:33:52

it. And then I knew something

1:33:54

Bad is happening, and then somebody came to

1:33:56

the hospital, told me that David died in

1:33:58

a helicopter. So

1:34:01

he died in the helicopter. Yeah

1:34:03

because. It is whole stomach was basically

1:34:06

ripped. Up Obe. yeah. Wow. And

1:34:08

that was your number two. That was your best. Friend House and

1:34:10

number two. I've known him for eleven years. Of.

1:34:13

Wow Yeah, and he. I mean he

1:34:15

was. Newly. Married

1:34:18

two years, had a seven

1:34:20

month old child shifted. beautiful

1:34:22

child looks. Exactly.

1:34:25

Like him. Exactly like and oh

1:34:27

wow yeah. And so now

1:34:29

what like would you do now do? kind of

1:34:31

go on with your life like are you. So

1:34:34

they were. happens. Like. How long

1:34:36

until this? Is yeah don't like what? so

1:34:38

this is already starting to heal. Okay so

1:34:40

what they did was he just like opened

1:34:43

up different nerves and went kind of these

1:34:45

assholes that you my as I can open

1:34:47

up the entire way. but it's a. Seat.

1:34:52

When. It will not be fully functioning Gas

1:34:54

for you now out like you're never gonna

1:34:56

fight again for all I am. A

1:34:59

second I can hold a nanny and I'm back in. House

1:35:01

I. I'll be able to hold a gun

1:35:04

again because. I know you don't think

1:35:06

are traumatised that are is hiding Tommy to a I

1:35:08

know you're not yet but you don't stay as it

1:35:10

again I. Don't. Think like I

1:35:12

think everybody in Israel is from

1:35:15

ties. Seven dollars over before seventy

1:35:17

five October everybody goes through trauma

1:35:19

and. I am. You still have

1:35:21

to fight. We still have the. Would about

1:35:24

like A So how does this work? Like you know

1:35:26

become the L A. Weekend. I have all

1:35:28

these meetings. You're going to be a I mean

1:35:30

C O L A was alarm is a stop.

1:35:32

What happened was I was in the hospital

1:35:34

for. A month and a half. Watching.

1:35:37

The News Everyday my team still

1:35:39

finding. My brother fighting brother in

1:35:41

law find everybody I know fighting for you

1:35:44

Ever! And Gaza by the way, yeah. You

1:35:46

are Yeah, two thousand and fourteen years older.

1:35:49

Death. So. You kind of like now.

1:35:51

Because. Of injury, you just sits there

1:35:53

basically healing. can't do anything or had

1:35:55

do anything right and. I. Was

1:35:58

going. Literally. Insane. In

1:36:00

the hospital. And. I saw what

1:36:02

was happening in social media and

1:36:04

I was watching Cnn and Bbc.

1:36:06

I couldn't believe what they're telling

1:36:09

the world. I I couldn't believe

1:36:11

because I was there. I. Said I

1:36:13

know what I'm hiding and I

1:36:15

felt like I couldn't set aside

1:36:17

and and wants the these allies

1:36:20

just continue going around. So I

1:36:22

for the biggest lies that you

1:36:24

saw that really disturbed you the

1:36:27

most of. First of all I

1:36:29

can hear people say apartheid State?

1:36:31

I can't I mean I live

1:36:33

in Tel Aviv Java which is

1:36:36

an Arab city right next to

1:36:38

Tel Aviv today in the Tel

1:36:40

Aviv University Palestinian Students the study.

1:36:43

And learn in our university

1:36:45

of vandalized. Photos.

1:36:48

Of hostages. So. In

1:36:50

an Apartheid state, they'd be. A

1:36:52

little killed or thrown out or

1:36:54

whatever. not in. Not. In

1:36:57

Israel In Israel they they at

1:36:59

my doctors were Arab. Some.

1:37:01

I surgeons were Arab. That's.

1:37:03

Not an Apartheid alone of modern age.

1:37:05