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okay, first of all, thank you. You're the

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So thank you for being on the podcast. I'm

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excited about this interview. Another

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Jen, right? Another

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Jen. Jen, okay, first of all, let me

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just tell everybody, I did Jen's podcast, I

1:51

don't know how many months ago. And

1:54

in all transparency, I didn't know who you were.

1:57

And as we were doing the interview about

1:59

me. me like little tidbits

2:01

of you were telling me about you

2:03

in the conversation and like one thing

2:06

was more impressive than the other and

2:08

I'm like, oh my God, you have

2:10

to be on my podcast because you

2:12

know, like you don't know what you

2:15

don't know. And you're like a gem

2:17

of like people overuse the word badass

2:19

and high performance. But then there's are

2:21

those times where you meet somebody and

2:24

like they legit are a badass who

2:26

are super high performers and you are

2:28

one of them. So it's just

2:30

a pleasure to have you in my life

2:33

and to have you on the show. So

2:35

again, congrats to everything you've been doing.

2:38

Thank you. Thank you. It's been a journey, which

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we all know, right? But the habits and hustles

2:42

get us to the top of these summits. So

2:44

that's what we get to talk about today. Exactly.

2:47

So let me just tell people, for

2:49

those of you who don't know, Jen

2:51

is an entrepreneur, a mother of seven.

2:53

Okay, guys, not one to seven and

2:55

a world record holder as the first

2:57

woman in history to climb the seven

3:00

second summit. So you'll tell us about that, right?

3:03

I mean, people legit like die trying

3:05

to do what you've done and you're

3:07

like little we you did it. And

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I first want to ask you or

3:12

just give people a quick brief origin story

3:14

of who you are before I kind of

3:17

dive into more questions. Yeah,

3:19

you know, I was definitely an

3:21

achiever growing up for sure. But

3:23

I was achieving out of fear,

3:25

instead of out of love, I

3:27

got into a car accident in 2018.

3:30

That should have taken my life and

3:32

didn't. It really woke me up

3:34

to this fact that we do not get to

3:36

choose when we die, but we sure get to

3:38

choose how we live. And am I

3:41

really living? And it was just

3:43

an entire paradigm shift on so

3:45

many levels. So I started to

3:48

take that personality. And instead

3:50

of operating from fear operate

3:52

from this place of abundance

3:54

and opportunity and purpose and

3:56

drive. Somehow we can talk about the details

3:59

of getting into the seven and second summits, I

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was presented with an opportunity to climb. Thought

4:03

that'd be a great way to make my

4:05

mark in the world and here we are.

4:08

I set the world record on June 1st of 2023. Just

4:12

launched the book a couple weeks ago. So life's

4:14

been full speed ahead. So

4:16

right, Jen's new book is called Breakproof. And

4:19

I just wanted to, before we get into all of

4:21

that, the questions I have, you said something that I

4:23

just wanted to tap into, which is not

4:26

operating out of fear. How

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do you tell people, like how

4:30

do you start doing that if that's

4:32

how we're preconditioned or that's how we've

4:35

been so used to doing things? What is

4:37

your advice on how we start taking that

4:39

step for not operating out of a

4:41

place of fear? Yeah, I

4:43

mean, I think awareness is our

4:45

first step in all cases and

4:47

really just asking yourself the questions,

4:50

why am I doing this? What

4:52

am I doing this for? What is

4:54

the drive? Where's the drive coming from? So

4:56

I started a business in the financial

4:58

service sector. I graduated from

5:01

college, friends with my ahead of me said,

5:03

you're expensive. You better get a job. Where's you

5:05

make good money? Because otherwise you're going

5:07

to be upside down. And so

5:09

when I took a job in finance,

5:11

it was calling people and helping them

5:13

with their financial futures. And I really

5:15

enjoyed it. But there was

5:18

like never enough. And that

5:20

feeling of never enough is just a

5:22

hollow feeling that keeps you in the

5:24

rat race. And all of

5:27

a sudden, I realized like, I'm the only

5:29

one that gets to determine if it's enough,

5:31

not somebody else, not any other

5:33

judgment matters. And so when I started looking

5:35

at it and being, yeah, this where I'm

5:37

feeling happy, am I

5:40

like excited to go to work? Am

5:42

I doing impact? Am I like making

5:44

a difference for myself and others?

5:46

And just cluing into those little pieces

5:48

about us that say, oh, I'm

5:51

not afraid that I'm not going to get

5:53

there. Now I'm like afraid.

5:55

I guess my fear shifted from like

5:58

failing and look like an idiot. having

6:00

enough and all that kind of stuff to my failure

6:02

was, whatever if I don't get to

6:04

taste pasta in Italy, or whatever if I

6:06

don't get to experience these things that I

6:08

want to do that before I was

6:10

too afraid to look like an idiot doing them.

6:12

Now I don't care if I look like an

6:14

idiot, everybody who's judging me is going to die

6:16

someday just like I'm going to die. So why

6:19

am I going to let their opinion matter more

6:21

than my own? Right. Exactly

6:23

true. I feel the same way. I

6:25

think like that too. But I do

6:27

also feel like the idea

6:29

and the thought of never enough

6:31

is what motivates and drives a

6:33

lot of high achievers and high

6:36

performers because things are never enough. I

6:38

mean, in all

6:40

honesty, that's kind of I'm guilty

6:42

of that, right? Like even now, I mean,

6:44

I try to overcome it myself but no

6:47

matter what I have achieved, I never

6:49

looked at what I've done as enough

6:51

which then when something happens, I'm like,

6:53

okay, okay, on to the next thing

6:55

to prove it to myself, right? Not

6:58

competitive with other people but competitive

7:00

with myself. And it's very hard

7:03

to like unravel that behavior pattern,

7:05

right? Because that's what drives us

7:07

to be successful a lot of

7:09

the time. Right. And it's hard

7:11

when society promotes it. I mean, when

7:14

I set this world record, the number

7:16

one question I got was, what's next?

7:18

What's next? What's next? And

7:20

I really like, yeah, like you want

7:22

to know what's next? I'm celebrating a

7:25

season of what is, I'm not allowing

7:27

myself to commit to another goal

7:29

or take another thing on for

7:31

at least a year after this

7:33

goal has rested because my kids

7:36

need to see what it looks like to

7:38

be in a season of winter to not

7:40

be chasing something, to not be doing something

7:43

and still be valued as the human they

7:45

are. And so... Wow, you just

7:47

said that but then you also said

7:49

for at least a year, you know,

7:51

what you've accomplished is for most people,

7:53

like a life accomplishment, right? They're

7:55

like, wow, now I can just,

7:58

you know, lie down, watch Netflix. like the

8:00

bonbons like what it's not just oh

8:03

I promised myself not to do

8:05

something for a year I mean do

8:07

you hear the kookooness of that like

8:09

it's crazy yeah but you

8:11

know I think we meet ourselves

8:14

in pursuits right yeah you

8:16

know so for me it's like okay I'm gonna

8:19

take a year off but here's what happened I

8:21

got to a top of the last mountain and

8:23

I'm 12 steps away

8:25

from becoming a world record holder and

8:28

those last 12 steps I took

8:30

so intentionally and just

8:32

thoughtfully and as slowly as I

8:34

could because I knew I wasn't

8:36

getting those moments back and when

8:38

I got to the top I

8:41

took in this huge inhale and

8:44

everything disappeared there's no

8:46

time there's no space there's nothing

8:48

to achieve there's nothing to do it's

8:50

just you're this moment of awe and

8:53

then you start breathing again and then things start

8:55

to separate and you get cold and you realize

8:57

you're in a mountain you need to get down

8:59

and all like life returns at its speed and

9:02

I remember telling myself hey

9:04

soul I'm gonna take you out of my

9:07

body throw you out into this universe and

9:09

I can't wait to see where I find

9:11

you next. That's amazing. Right

9:13

and so I know that

9:15

we're driven by pursuits because

9:18

that's where we meet ourselves that's where we

9:20

find our edges that's where we expand

9:22

or learn or experience living but there's

9:25

definitely a thing of hey

9:27

I'm doing this for the

9:29

experience versus I'm doing this

9:32

to prove a point. Yeah yeah yeah

9:34

that's actually a great that's actually a

9:36

great point doing something for the experience

9:38

versus the to prove to yourself or

9:41

prove a point. Okay I'm just dying to

9:43

know okay you have seven kids number one

9:45

I want to know how this came

9:47

about how do you train for it

9:49

how did you even accomplish it like

9:51

I want to know all the nitty-gritty

9:53

and where you even had the time

9:55

to train because I can't imagine like

9:57

it just let me know tell me tell me

9:59

all of it The secrets, the secrets. I want to know

10:01

the secrets. Let's start with

10:03

the seven kids briefly because I think this

10:05

is a story that people can relate to.

10:08

I struggled with fertility. I

10:10

was the girl that could not get pregnant

10:13

naturally and I had such a shame story,

10:15

such an angry story. So it's like, why

10:17

is the one thing I was born to

10:20

do? My body won't do. What does that

10:22

mean? I was always

10:24

a tomboy and so I'm like, see, I

10:26

shouldn't have been born a female. I

10:29

get cute, two female things, just things

10:31

that we should never say to ourselves.

10:33

I did and I finally went to

10:35

a fertility clinic. Nothing worked

10:37

for a while until finally they came

10:39

up with a chemical cocktail that somehow

10:41

turned me into a hen and I

10:43

had eggs beyond eggs which we never

10:45

had before and so then

10:47

they fertilized these eggs and so now

10:50

I had embryos. They planted two, I

10:52

had my son, I felt like a

10:54

million dollars and then I got a

10:56

bill from the fertility clinic. I'm

10:58

done. I paid you guys. I have

11:00

my kid. We're good. These are your embryos

11:03

on ice. I'm like, we need to talk

11:05

about this because I don't really remember this part of

11:07

the story as much and so we went

11:09

into it and I'm like, okay, well, it's embryos. You have a

11:11

choice. You can use them. You

11:13

can destroy them which if you come

11:15

from my position where I just struggled

11:17

for so many months to have a

11:19

positive P test, destroying them felt like

11:21

the worst karma I could throw into

11:24

the world possible. Then my third

11:26

option was to donate them which

11:28

meant the rest of my life, I was going to wonder

11:30

if I had a kid out there or not. I'm

11:32

like, okay, well, to me, the best option

11:35

feels like using them. How many

11:37

kids do you think I'll get based on

11:39

what we have here? Like 3D, maybe

11:41

four. I'm like, okay, I can do three. I'm

11:44

three. I can do three. I have

11:46

a huge family. I have an extended family. I can definitely

11:48

do four, no problem. I have four kids. I

11:50

have four embryos left. I

11:53

plant the next two embryos, only one stick. So

11:55

now I have five kids. I have two

11:57

embryos left. The last two embryos that weren't

11:59

going to survived the thaw that were the

12:01

worst ones like don't even worry blah blah

12:03

blah blah. Twin girls. So all

12:06

of a sudden my like horrible

12:08

story of like struggling fertility issues

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I'm a mother of seven children.

12:12

Five boys, twin daughters, crazy

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having a kindergarten class. It was like

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right? Like I tell people, I truly

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think that the patience I needed to

15:25

raise these little humans has been the

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best gift for every other pursuit I've

15:29

ever taken on, because it's just constantly

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things coming at you, and you're like,

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okay, how do we pivot? How do

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like teaches you all these like

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everyday life beyond being a mother,

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which is in itself. for

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one kid's a huge full-time job. I like

16:02

cannot even imagine having seven. Do you have

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a lot of help? Do you do it

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by yourself? Like how are you doing it?

16:09

No, I like best story ever is when

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I was growing up. I was a nanny

16:13

for a family. Okay I

16:16

started having kids. She went

16:18

through a separation. She had only ever been

16:20

a mom I'm like, why don't you come help

16:22

me with my kids now? So she's

16:25

been with us for 17 years and is

16:28

as much of a mom to these children as

16:30

I am and what a blessing that has been

16:32

to our family all day long. Are

16:35

you married? You have a husband? Yes. I have a

16:37

husband. Yep, so he's working. He lives in

16:39

Michigan We live in Utah, but he

16:41

comes out and does stuff here

16:44

with us. Wow. Okay So if he

16:46

there how many times like how much of

16:48

the month is he spending in Utah? Maybe

16:50

four to six days It's

16:52

busy, but we have our system down we

16:55

figured it out it's working so we're working

16:57

it Wow Okay, then where did you have

16:59

time? So how did this whole idea come

17:01

to be about even hey, you know what?

17:04

I'm gonna because like you've climbed like like

17:06

I'm gonna start climbing Mount Everest I'm gonna

17:08

start climbing all these mountains like how does

17:10

that even come to your brain? Like

17:13

my thing is how am I gonna find like 30 minutes

17:15

to just run on the treadmill? Like how

17:18

are you doing that? Okay, so

17:20

the accident was like the line in

17:22

the sand I survived this accident where

17:24

they cannot rebuild a scenario where I

17:26

lit could live which really put me

17:28

into this whole Reflection point of why am

17:31

I here? Why was I saved? What's my

17:33

purpose? 2019

17:36

became the year of the bucket list like

17:38

okay If my life is gonna end and

17:40

the next decade or year or month or

17:42

week or day What are

17:44

things that I want to do that? I keep

17:46

pushing off because I kept telling myself that once

17:49

the kids launched then I would get back to

17:51

me But right now I'm just in the season

17:53

of motherhood and that's what this looks like and

17:56

all of a sudden I like I started making this

17:58

list. I had a little talk with the kids

18:00

and I say guys mom almost died

18:02

in a car accident but she didn't so mom's

18:04

gonna start doing things a little bit different than

18:07

we've done before and I'm gonna start doing things

18:09

that get me excited and get me like I

18:11

might not be able to run your lunch if

18:13

you forget it at home or I might not

18:15

be here after school every single day but that's

18:18

not gonna change anything and we're gonna work through

18:20

these changes together and they're like okay sounds good

18:22

mom whatever. On that list

18:24

was climb a mountain. In 2020,

18:26

I was turning 40. So

18:29

when I looked at the list of things I

18:31

wanted to do, I'm like you know what I'm

18:33

gonna climb a mountain for my 40th birthday and

18:35

kind of launch this next decade of life and

18:37

so I live in Park City. We have mountains

18:39

everywhere, tons of mountaineers. I asked some friends I'm

18:41

like hey if you could climb one mountain in

18:44

the whole world what would it be? I'm

18:46

like oh go climb Amma the Blom. I'm like

18:48

what is that? Like it's the Paramount Pictures logo.

18:51

So every time you go to a movie you

18:53

can say like hey I climbed that mountain when

18:55

it plays and you know the kids and I

18:57

go to movies. I'm like okay that sounds good.

18:59

It's in Nepal like it hit a couple boxes

19:02

of things on my bucket list. It sounded good.

19:04

Well if you remember back in the beginning of 2020, COVID

19:06

enters the scene. So

19:10

I'm not training for any mountain

19:12

anywhere right. Now I'm a homeschool

19:14

teacher to these seven beautiful humans

19:17

and one day my little guy, my youngest

19:19

son is struggling with his math

19:21

homework and I'm doing that parent pep talk

19:23

like we do hard things. You've got this

19:25

like one more problem. That little guy looks

19:27

up at me and he goes mom if

19:29

we do hard things why are

19:31

you climbing a mountain called I'm a Dumb Blonde

19:33

instead of a real mountain like Mount Everest? I'm

19:36

like I'm a Dumb Blonde. It's

19:38

Amma the Blom honey not I'm

19:40

a Dumb Blonde but thank you.

19:43

Finish your homework we'll look at Everest. Wow.

19:46

I know. That

19:49

little turd. Then

19:52

we did right like we looked at Everest

19:54

he went to bed and I thought about

19:56

Everest more and I said to myself you

19:59

know what. this little guy thinks

20:01

that Everest is the hardest mountain in the whole

20:03

world, I'm in a climate and

20:05

I'm going to show him that we can

20:07

whatever our Everest is, we're capable of summiting.

20:10

So I call up a coach, coach is

20:12

like, yes I can get you ready, don't

20:14

you worry, buy this book about becoming an

20:16

uphill athlete because I had been an athlete

20:18

in college and stuff but I wasn't you

20:20

know mountaineer by any means. So

20:23

I buy this book, I must have been reading

20:25

it on one of those days that you're just

20:27

not feeling good about yourself and my

20:29

coach calls and in the front

20:31

of the book there's a story about a lady who

20:33

got a Guinness World Record for doing something

20:36

in the Alps. In the conversation

20:38

with my coach I was like I could have

20:40

done that, like I could have gotten a Guinness

20:42

World Record, my kids would think I'm the coolest

20:44

mom in the whole world because that's how they

20:46

learned how to read and this homeschooling thing done

20:48

and life would be normal and blah blah blah

20:50

blah blah. My coach is like, oh I'll think

20:52

of something don't you worry. I'm like okay fine

20:55

you could think of something but I'm not throwing

20:57

pumpkins or speeding hot dogs or like the weird

20:59

things that are in those record books. He's

21:01

like, I got it. So he

21:03

came up with the seven, he's like calls me one

21:05

day and he's like, Jen I have the perfect

21:07

record for you, you should climb the seven

21:09

second summits. I'm like I don't even know

21:12

what you just said, it sounds like a

21:14

tongue twister. He's like let me explain. He

21:16

goes the seven second summits are the second

21:18

highest point on each of the seven continents.

21:21

It's only been done by the one male,

21:23

it's harder than the first seven and you'd

21:25

be the first woman to do it and

21:27

he goes if you think about it, there's

21:30

seven continents, there's seven mountains, you have seven

21:32

children, it sounds like a jackpot and it

21:34

was one of those things that made zero

21:36

sense but it did sound like a

21:39

jackpot and my body was a full

21:41

body yes. So I said sure

21:43

let's figure it out, I haven't slipped

21:45

an attempt before, is that a problem?

21:47

He's like we'll figure out the details and

21:49

so we started on the pursuit. So

21:51

you started training in 2020 basically.

21:54

Yes. Wow and

21:56

then how much training did it take like

21:58

what kind of what was the training

22:00

light? What was the like, how

22:03

do you even start? How many

22:05

hours a day? Give me like

22:07

this, like the actual like detail.

22:10

Yeah. So the training is you

22:12

periodization train, right? So you're like, you're going

22:14

to do heavy and then you're going to back

22:16

off for a couple of weeks and you go

22:18

heavy against your body can absorb the training. There's

22:21

definitely training plans out there. It was not what

22:23

I was following because I was a mom

22:25

first and a business owner. And then I

22:27

had to do this thing kind of as

22:29

an extracurricular activity. So if it had, Hey,

22:32

you need a high six hours today with a 25 pound

22:35

backpack, I think it's six hours to put together.

22:37

So I would wake up in the morning before

22:39

they go to school. I would do steps on

22:41

like the Stairmaster. That's I bought one for my

22:43

house. What's the time did you wake up? I

22:46

want to know. I want to know the minutia

22:48

of the detail. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I would

22:50

probably wake up around 5 30

22:52

and I would get an hour and a half in before

22:55

the kids got up and started to move. And

22:57

so then they would get up. I do breakfast

22:59

with them and I would get them to school

23:01

and all that kind of stuff. Then I would

23:03

come home and I would try to get like

23:05

another hour and a half to

23:08

two hours and I could do it like on

23:10

a inverted like a treadmill that was at an angle

23:12

and do zoom calls and things like that.

23:14

As long as I didn't have to be on camera because I

23:16

was getting it done. If somebody had

23:18

a soccer game at night, I would be

23:20

the mom with a 12 inch step, a

23:23

backpack full of water bottles, that entire game.

23:25

I'd be like, well in the corner doing

23:27

my step ups because then I could watch

23:29

his game and get the

23:31

training in. Multipasking. Oh, it's

23:33

amazing. Totally. So this is

23:35

what you

23:39

said to me when I was on your podcast and

23:42

I was like, okay, this girl, I

23:44

like her. So instead of just sitting

23:46

at the soccer game with all the

23:48

other parents on the grass

23:50

watching passively, you went,

23:52

got a stepper like a

23:55

riser and just did up, down, up,

23:57

down the entire game just to get

24:00

your steps in to kind of acclimate,

24:02

right? Yeah, 100%. Yes. And

24:05

then like, here's the unique thing, like we

24:07

all have problems when we're setting goals, right?

24:09

Like everybody there's the obstacle is

24:12

like the fun of the setting the goal because

24:14

you figure out how to solve it. One of my

24:16

biggest problems was is like to climb Everest,

24:18

which I was going to do, because I

24:20

promised my son, I need to be gone

24:22

for eight weeks. I mean, I can't be

24:25

gone for eight weeks. I'm like the sole

24:27

provider for these humans primarily, like I have

24:29

to be here. I've never been gone for

24:31

more than a week. Like this isn't going

24:33

to work. And because I was like, so

24:35

I'm like, there has to be options. I

24:38

live at altitude. Wait, don't football teams come up

24:40

to altitude, don't they have to do something to

24:42

get their bodies ready so they can perform well

24:44

when they're like playing in Denver. And so

24:47

I called this doctor, I'm like, how do these

24:49

guys get ready for this? He's like, Oh, there's

24:51

actually a company that makes like things that helps

24:54

you acclimate. I'm like, okay, cool. So I call

24:56

this company and they're like, yeah, you know what,

24:58

we can make a tent for your bed. So

25:01

when you go to bed at night,

25:03

it mimics like a lack of oxygen

25:05

environment. So you can acclimatize at home

25:07

and not have it be as stressful on

25:09

the mountain. I'm like, okay, perfect. How does it

25:11

work? He's like, well, this is, you know, we

25:13

don't have a ton of data on it, but

25:16

you could be part of our research and figure it out.

25:18

I went to Everest and back in three

25:20

weeks, right? So three weeks is a long

25:22

time, but it's not eight weeks. And the

25:24

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25:26

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25:28

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Wait, okay let me get this straight. So before the

27:21

accident in 2019, what were you doing in terms

27:25

of training or fitness or you know

27:27

all that stuff? Like what was your...

27:30

I loved Pilates, I'd go to yoga

27:32

class, like I'd go hiking with my

27:34

friends, I'd go downhill skiing, like just

27:37

like anything that was just fun and

27:39

kind of social. Right, so you did

27:41

regular mom fitness stuff like you went

27:43

to a Pilates class, came home, picked

27:45

up your kids, did the right like

27:47

you say you'd work out, you do like an hour 45

27:50

minutes of something a day about... Yeah,

27:52

yeah, yeah, yeah and sometimes because Park City

27:55

is crazy, like sometimes I would do

27:57

two classes and I felt like a

27:59

million dollars. like we're going to

28:01

go from yoga to Pilates and have like

28:03

a big day. Yeah, yeah,

28:05

yeah. But you were doing like and

28:07

then you went from doing that to

28:09

doing how many hours, even

28:12

if you were multitasking with the

28:14

soccer games and the hour and

28:16

a half on the, was it the Stairmaster

28:18

or the treadmill in the morning at 5.30?

28:20

Mix them both up. I would do the

28:22

Stairmaster first because I felt like that was

28:24

the hardest. I was training probably 25 hours

28:26

a week. 25

28:30

hours a week. Okay, so all right,

28:32

so keep going here. So okay, tell

28:34

me another step. So then you gain the tent to

28:36

try to acclimate or acclimatize.

28:38

Yes. What else would you do during the

28:40

days to kind of train for

28:43

this insane task? You know, I'm

28:45

a firm believer in training harder

28:47

than reality, right? So I would

28:49

study the mountain and be like,

28:51

okay, there's this section of Everest

28:53

called the Lhotse face. It's basically

28:55

a 3,700 foot

28:58

outdoor Stairmaster. It's the steepest section

29:00

of Everest. It's outdoors exposed, whatever.

29:02

And so I'm like, okay, as

29:04

long as I can do 4,000

29:06

steps in a row, and

29:09

if I was going straight up and down,

29:12

that was harder than if I was walking

29:14

like on a path on the mountain, right?

29:16

So what I would do is I'd go

29:18

to the climbing gym down in Salt Lake

29:21

City, and I would do the easy routes

29:23

on the climbing gym. But I

29:25

would make sure that I got like 1000 feet

29:28

climbing straight up vertically, because I knew I

29:30

would have the fitness then to do something

29:32

at a less angle. And I would just

29:35

do anything that I was like, okay, I'm

29:37

gonna run into this on the mountain. How

29:39

do I make it harder here? So when

29:41

I get there, I'm going to be like,

29:43

okay, all I need to do is perform here

29:45

because what's going to be hard there is food

29:47

I'm not used to, whether I'm not used to,

29:50

it's going to be outdoors. There's just

29:52

so many variables that I was always

29:54

trying to see what variables I could

29:56

solve for to have less variables Show

29:58

up on the actual pursuit. right? Current

30:00

by the way would is about four thousand feet

30:03

work when have that. How long did that case

30:05

typically me and now that like that would hate

30:07

how long that would be about. How much miles?

30:09

Like? What would it be gimme? I did

30:11

not run miles spray like. I mean I

30:14

felt like I would be the approximation of

30:16

time or. Only guys I would

30:18

be dying but it would take me

30:20

a few hours like two and a

30:22

half hours for sure to get that

30:25

done and sometimes longer. But yeah it

30:27

was be to have three hours in.

30:29

A nice thing about climbing Everest is

30:31

I was in speed climbing that I

30:34

wasn't running an array Cnn. Or doing

30:36

whatever. So you're very much just

30:38

joaquin and the lack of oxygen

30:40

is the stress. Yeah. That's

30:42

what I heard. Guess I'll as a

30:44

lotta people die doing it and it's

30:46

because of the lack of oxygen. Are

30:49

unable to have a like a climb

30:51

as high as I guess to the

30:53

environment. yeah yeah definitely. And so if

30:55

you can go slow and you can

30:57

drink a lot of water and your

30:59

body naturally a climate sizes easier which

31:01

is genetic like we have no can

31:03

say I'm not really. Then

31:05

you're good, right? So my

31:07

reality was. You. Could get from

31:09

Kiev one to camp to and you could do

31:12

it. And four hours you could do it. and

31:14

six hours you could do it. And eight hours.

31:16

it's just like whatever. The longer it said the

31:18

less rescue had their but at the same time

31:20

the less stress you are. Putting on your

31:22

body when you're actually going from point A

31:24

to point B. So I was is very

31:27

much always trying to go under like I

31:29

could have a conversation the entire time I

31:31

was on the mile end and of I

31:33

could hold a conversation and I knew I

31:35

wasn't pushing my body too hard because people

31:37

who push their body too far to. Those

31:40

are the people at typically got sick they

31:42

weren't able to summit. And

31:44

so okay. so. What is a difference

31:47

Which which can't have made camps are there is

31:49

a camp one camp to yeah so differ marlins

31:51

have different numbers of camps so far as we

31:53

happened in a camp like give me a talk

31:55

about that Yeah yeah so a camp is your

31:58

favorite thing to see. It. Yeah,

32:01

I've been up the bow and you're

32:03

following night like the path of people

32:05

are the trailer whatever and he gets

32:07

a camp and camp has typically well

32:09

as at Avarice camp line will have

32:12

somebody there ahead of you and that

32:14

person will be boiled like melting snow

32:16

so that you have water and a

32:18

boiling water allows you to add a

32:20

hot chocolate max or you know, ramen

32:22

noodle type deal at actually refueling. Get

32:25

I the Elements. That will protect you

32:27

from the when the cold that snow, the

32:29

whatever. Which feels really good. You get to

32:31

sit down and relax a lot of time

32:33

when you get to camp to. they actually

32:35

have chef set to so can't sue. you'll

32:37

sleep that they kind of move it to

32:39

a second. Base camp and we have

32:42

a bathroom. You don't shower but you

32:44

have a ingo. The bathroom you can

32:46

have. Like pasta or just like a

32:48

little more variety of food. You have your

32:50

ten see you can sleep in as you

32:52

can leave gear. they're. So.

32:55

You don't have to carry all the gear all the

32:57

time. You're like okay I only needed some. I go

32:59

back down or if we get to the next point

33:01

as a problem we just have to come to this

33:03

point to come back to get it. So that

33:05

kind of helps. The average has four cats.

33:08

Kate. To as for camp smart

33:10

Logan had five cats. Tyree.

33:12

Only had one camp Mount Kenya. You do it

33:14

in a day so you're racing the clock. Is

33:16

it that the equator? You don't have any camps.

33:19

Yeah. Revolver So different and so unique.

33:22

So. Wait till Holland and now every state

33:24

is that. I was door to door and

33:26

three and a half weeks. God.

33:28

That is so costly. you're basically living

33:30

in tents and met on mountains this

33:32

whole time. Yeah, so whole time. Really,

33:34

really sad sad bow and arrow itself.

33:36

But he could you come home. And

33:38

my favorite thing about being home right

33:40

now? they don't have to put shoes

33:42

as you go. the bathroom. Why get

33:44

an open refrigerator? And there's choices in

33:46

the. Refrigerator. Of what I want to eat. As

33:49

high as you keep your spirit hey how

33:51

was your spirits the whole time where you

33:53

like did you ever get down self doubt

33:55

or we always very like i can do

33:57

this attitude like you always believed in you.

34:00

Thou or did. Your beliefs assess whether

34:02

it's times that were really hard

34:04

and you're struggling. Ah, there's the

34:06

average yes, Every day I'm like

34:08

why I take this like I

34:10

pay for this. One of my

34:12

simply here I got the beach

34:14

is like up up up love

34:16

right like line I was suddenly

34:18

my. Own worst enemy was i think all of

34:20

us are and we think about it and er, pursuits.

34:23

But here's the joke of it. This is

34:25

crazy. I get to Everest. You've all

34:27

seen photos of those. The ladders

34:30

reacts across those crevasses. Of

34:32

a like. I had no idea that

34:34

I was gonna have a fear of heights

34:36

like. All said and show up when I got there.

34:38

I. Mean. I practice ladders at home because I'm like

34:40

okay by friend as a swimming pool overgrown put

34:43

a ladder across a swimming pool. I'm. Or walk

34:45

across if I fall if on the fourth. No

34:47

big deal, So. We did that. It

34:49

was all stable. Will you get out into

34:51

the Elements? You're in this huge puffy gear.

34:54

You step one foot on the ladder. it's

34:56

not Osha approves, the other side goes up

34:58

in the air. Or fatalistic I've been

35:00

is like words. And the

35:02

curve ah says are these two

35:04

thousand foot drops. And. It's just as

35:07

crazy feelings. Also, we got to the ladder and

35:09

the like a it's your turn to my ah

35:11

that minutes. And then I he'll it's your

35:13

turn, I'm not ready yet and so I sat

35:15

there like okay this is. Either gonna get bigger.

35:17

Or. It's going to get smaller and only I

35:19

get to decide And so I had a pull

35:21

all the stops I got pulled out a photo

35:23

of my kids. I. Looked at him I'm like okay

35:26

if they are here I'd want them to do this and

35:28

they're watching. So okay we're good it's a then I go

35:30

to get up there like you're not ready yet so up

35:32

back on. The side it's like okay. I

35:34

wrote myself a letter so I knew I

35:36

was gonna run into hard times. So.

35:39

I wrote myself letters for different

35:41

hard times. Some. Of the take a lot

35:43

the letter that I need like hey you got

35:45

it's you trains you know all the like baloney

35:47

that you pull yourself up about. Yeah. still

35:49

not ready we literally played the song vanilla

35:51

ice like eating less than the buses the

35:54

felonies so my trying to dance it out

35:56

and like okay okay we're going to go

35:58

and i realize the thing that

36:01

was going to get me across

36:03

this ladder was a safe step.

36:05

And so I repeated out loud

36:07

consistently safe step, safe step,

36:09

safe step. It gave my brain

36:12

something to hold on to and it crowded

36:14

out a chance of any other thought to

36:16

come in and I just went across that

36:18

bridge and at the other side

36:21

we had like the

36:23

largest, funnest, wildest dance party on

36:25

Everest of all times. And it

36:27

was so much fun and you get

36:29

so much confidence in yourself when you

36:31

do these things that took you

36:33

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36:36

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36:38

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You like you see the body and.

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you like? Wow. That. That

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You. Emitted so curious, right? Because.

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I think for most people are least

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for myself like I knew when it

39:19

was getting hard or I knew when

39:21

things were going while I knew like

39:23

and I was so afraid I was

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following the rules like to a t

39:27

and I was over double checking in

39:29

and doing other things speak as I

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lost the sherpa on the team that

39:33

I was on so why we were

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there we were climbing he was a

39:37

stormy day and the sherpa on clips

39:39

from the rope which you're not supposed

39:41

to do. useless to disappear have to

39:43

go pee tell. Everybody around you like i'm gonna

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go pee any to squat there and everybody gives the

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privacy. But he like became familiar with

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the mail and and sometimes when we're familiar

39:51

with do different things. Young clip to take

39:54

a few steps, Over to go the bathroom.

39:56

Though see steps over ended up to

39:58

him in a crevasse and they can

40:00

rak be one a he was done

40:02

and it was one of those same

40:05

very like oh my goodness like I

40:07

don't even whites and so like every

40:09

rule that anybody said i'm. Like. I don't

40:11

care if I looked like okay, I'm in, I

40:13

following the rules, I'm doing whatever and when we

40:16

are on. The mile in. We are

40:18

to make a decision of we're going to go

40:20

up them out and or down them out n

40:22

with the weather that had come in and it

40:24

was you know like I would say sixty percent

40:26

of us said go off and forty percent of

40:28

us said go down though that wanted to go

40:30

up. One up and three hours later

40:32

our camp was hit by an avalanche

40:34

and using illegal can't read about. This

40:36

I don't know for what to killed anybody but it

40:38

would have a mean it definitely took out sense and

40:41

ripped things and did whatever. I depended on

40:43

where you were standing one

40:45

that avalanche shit. So yeah,

40:47

it's a real extreme environment

40:49

by. Just like anything, your mindset

40:51

matters most and he does have to focus

40:53

on what am I focusing on what's going

40:56

to serve me in the spot? And

40:58

what's not And. Only seed what's in a

41:00

survey? Of what happened to the

41:02

sixty percent, anybody get really badly injured.

41:04

Don't you said nobody? Died guidelines like

41:07

of our teams Like the crazy

41:09

thing is that we had like

41:11

five cents get totally destroyed cook

41:13

tent got destroyed by are the

41:15

people that stayed at actually were

41:17

like talking to other people at

41:19

other champs when it happened. So.

41:22

Every bite No one got injured or know

41:24

and passed away in at Avalanche but it

41:26

says the gave you a taste of how

41:28

real. This. Environment is wow so

41:30

they got lucky but then I

41:33

was so than the gotten a

41:35

sherpa. Like. That can you to

41:37

and curious about their these crevasses. I

41:39

was it that it was so deep

41:41

and so far I'd so far down

41:43

pat why haven't heard the stories? Is

41:45

it like south of. People can't pull them

41:48

out Is it because they are? So and

41:50

it's like this a lost in like what

41:52

what happens. To Them and it's who they are down

41:54

in. There's a lot of different scenarios I can play

41:56

out. One, It could be like they're so deep that

41:58

you can't like when the person. Five blunt force

42:00

trauma. Gonna take care of it right?

42:03

Say he had he been rescue. Them:

42:05

Are that what happened to him? I think

42:07

so they didn't let us get it. They

42:09

put they take you away from. That seen

42:11

as fast as they can have a problem was

42:13

is that we run a full snow storm so

42:15

you couldn't lily see you saw the wrote that

42:17

you're holding on to know like a case. To

42:20

fall Disrupt this fall This rope and so

42:22

you didn't know. I mean it's crazy but

42:24

even when we are climbing Mount Logan which

42:26

is a different now and we are dropped

42:28

off by a salad or an airplane onto

42:30

the glacier will work, climb in a smile

42:32

and were taken to ski pole and we're

42:34

going to the left of us, to the

42:36

center of us and to the right of

42:38

us and of that pull gets rejected back

42:40

That means it's strong enough for us to.

42:42

Take one step forward and you go

42:45

one step forward and then you go

42:47

repeat Left, Center, Right. One step

42:49

forward. Left, center, right, one set for

42:51

because you don't know as their Circle

42:53

Ross or snow bridge or something in

42:55

front of you because there's no pass.

42:58

This is this nature and so they

43:00

probably would make a path and we

43:02

thought bamboo sticks out said mark where

43:04

we went because we knew that was

43:06

save five feet to the last five

43:08

feet to the right. Maybe not. It.

43:11

Is such a discipline journey. it's and

43:13

you can not that corners and you

43:15

have to do everything like A B

43:17

C. A B C and just keep

43:19

doing it over and over for your safety

43:22

to be like as safe as possible. He.

43:24

Though I gotta tell you, even though I knew that.

43:27

Theoretically. To hear it again like

43:29

to hear it now it is tells me

43:31

like you can't be a ninny. Going up

43:33

there, you have to be able

43:35

to like remember these rules. Abide

43:38

by these rules. Like it's not

43:40

as I say I'm athletic. Let's go

43:42

do this. It is meticulous and strategic.

43:44

You get like like for an example

43:47

of your like you can't is also

43:49

forgot to check these three spot. Because.

43:52

Your life depends on a new life and

43:54

the people with you. I. Am as

43:56

ever. Yeah, it's it's a serious game and

43:58

so it's just. It's. And

44:00

eighteen. And the crazy thing about address or

44:02

somebody is mouse. Ends Adverse in particular is

44:04

the people that don't some it. It is

44:07

not the physical game, it has one hundred

44:09

percent like the mental game as their magical.

44:11

Talk about that though because I think it's

44:13

super interesting. The other thing I wanted sex

44:15

and I want you to talk about is

44:17

that how many people are with you ended.

44:19

Is there some type of like tests that

44:21

you have to take Because I wouldn't want

44:23

someone who is weak on my team to

44:25

be honest with. You god knows you're super

44:27

fussy about who you climb with and why

44:29

you're climbing. With them and like what

44:31

climbing company or Thirteen Rivera all many

44:34

things to put into place of you.

44:36

When I climbed Kate Zoo and Twenty

44:38

Twenty One I turned around and like

44:40

this that the team I'm climbing with

44:42

is not safe. We've had bad things

44:44

happen A we're a friend, lost his

44:46

hand to frostbite, another friend losses lights

44:48

an avalanche. I'm not saying like the

44:50

all that can be prevented but there's

44:53

a lot of things that were just

44:55

little mistakes that I like. We're done

44:57

like I blasts. I. Came back to

44:59

the states I knew I'd have to go

45:01

back to climb that and bill. lessons that

45:03

I learned and questions to ask. How do

45:05

you that this company have? You know they're

45:07

safe, How do they handle? That's how do

45:09

they know these different things. So. That

45:11

when I went back at the

45:14

safest team possible and I felt

45:16

confident. In who I was climbing

45:18

Worth because there's enough thrown at

45:20

you. Your team matters so much.

45:23

Definitely. But yeah, so the avarice thing

45:25

is ever says such. Yeah, it's a huge

45:27

well and it's a huge undertaking. It's a

45:29

mental game more than anything. And it's interesting

45:31

because one of our teammates like three hours

45:34

from the summit that we put under Stalin

45:36

for ever. Most of my team had been

45:38

on a phone for months because it came

45:40

on a climate sized and like, okay, I'm

45:42

done. What. Time would.

45:46

Die and I can't go any more. I'm

45:48

exhausted. I like you just five Iron Man's

45:50

in a row. you're not exhausted. I'm sorry

45:52

I don't believe you and I know I'm

45:55

done. I'm like no, you're not in a

45:57

thing of it is as that they've spent

45:59

their whole life. Wanting. To climb

46:01

Everest. They. Spend zero time or would

46:03

it would look like once they did. And

46:06

so now a sudden you're going to fight. Now it's and

46:08

you're good at the top of what does that mean? and

46:10

they don't know, and they're afraid to find out. Sir.

46:12

Fred the Sailor. Experience it or see

46:14

what that is. And. The crazy

46:16

thing about climbing address as I was

46:19

on the top of Mount Everest for

46:21

ten minutes. I. Trained at one

46:23

thousand two hundred and thirty eight hours

46:25

for ten minutes on the somebody that

46:27

mine. As. That's not a story and

46:30

you better enjoy the journey as the process

46:32

and the become mean and all those things

46:34

I don't know what. That

46:36

is one hundred percent registered as whole

46:38

thing about like life is ninety nine

46:40

percent set up right and one for

46:42

said for success rate they get your

46:44

whole life is is standing up for

46:46

whatever that success may be like. Have

46:48

you ever seen as the of course

46:50

you seen like you know our vacation

46:52

national Lampoon vacation with a gets to

46:54

the grand canyon and they're like me

46:56

okay let's go in out a be

46:58

like did that is like what I

47:00

it's it's and it's amazing I would

47:02

have what he so let me ask

47:04

you said these people that like were

47:06

three hours away yeah it could they

47:08

have just like rested and then doesn't

47:10

it again if they retire like why

47:12

prodigious I take a break and then

47:14

go again for that lot which you've

47:16

done all this eerie is gone that

47:18

far. Have the right don't come this

47:20

far to only come this far right

47:23

right right now so you like you

47:25

feed arm you feel them right That

47:27

mean as the funny thing. Or the nice

47:29

thing about altitude is that you don't get hungry. And

47:31

so you have to set an alarm clock?

47:33

Are you realize that by inserting to get

47:35

grouchy sexy means I'm hungry? because your body

47:37

just doesn't work the same at altitude as

47:40

it does at sea level. You

47:42

feed him, you do everything, and then

47:44

you just have these conversations with them

47:46

and the conversations you realize like how

47:48

you ever really thought past, like what's

47:51

this. Really? Means And that's where

47:53

you're stuck because it's not really

47:55

the other pieces. The drugs is

47:57

almost never is okay. So we're kid.

48:00

freaking out. Are you able to talk to your kids?

48:02

I guess not like there's a cell

48:04

service like yeah of course I'm

48:06

the mom who's like oh my god I've

48:08

never been away from my kids what are

48:10

we gonna do? So it went to the

48:13

kids school and said hey listen I'm gonna

48:15

go climb Everest I have everything set up

48:17

at home but I just want you

48:19

to know so if they're like emotionally a little but

48:21

whatever can you give them some grace and

48:23

God bless my kids school. The school is

48:25

like are you kidding me you're climbing Everest

48:27

we can do more than that would you

48:29

be willing to come in and talk to

48:31

the kids about studying an Everest goal? I'm

48:33

like yes. So I went in

48:36

I talked to the classrooms told them I was

48:38

gonna call and climb Everest help them set goals

48:40

and then in the front of the school we

48:42

made this huge Mount Everest and then I was

48:44

a little climber and I had a tracking device

48:47

on me so the school could move me up

48:49

and down the mountain based on where I was

48:51

and then at base camp of

48:53

Everest you have Wi-Fi because why would

48:55

that be right? So I could zoom

48:57

call into the classrooms answer

49:00

questions from the kids like what I ate

49:02

and where I pooped because that's all they cared

49:04

about. I want to ask you to see a

49:06

question. I'm

49:08

11 also apparently okay. Fair enough.

49:12

And so that I mean that was probably

49:14

the most like that was probably the thing

49:16

that kept me going during the hardest moments

49:19

is like I have this whole

49:21

school watching. These kids are paying

49:23

attention and they have Everest goals and whatever

49:25

is hard for me they got

49:28

their own version of hard and I got to

49:30

show them that we do hard things that we

49:32

could do this Jen and I would like keep

49:34

doing that and so when I summited it was

49:37

the most magical feeling in the whole world because

49:39

it was like that whole school summited and

49:41

then I came home we talked about it

49:43

and the crazy thing is is like of

49:46

course I miss my kids all day long.

49:48

I had nothing to do except like look

49:50

at snow and pretend like I acclimatized right?

49:52

My kids were slammed with activities in school

49:54

and everybody was excited about what their mom

49:56

was doing and so I came home and

49:58

what a gift that whole experience. was for

50:00

all of us because my kids felt

50:02

so seen and loved and supported by

50:05

people that weren't me. That's amazing.

50:07

What a gift, right? Yeah, I mean,

50:09

how did you pass the time? Like,

50:11

are you having conversations with people? Are

50:13

you, you can't, are you able to

50:15

listen to like a, I don't

50:17

know, like music? I mean, what do you do with it?

50:20

Yeah, I mean, we're listening to music, we're playing

50:22

games. I was working on the book, right? You

50:24

are, you're able to do all this? Yeah,

50:27

because I mean, you're playing card games or whatever

50:29

you have to, because otherwise your mind will

50:31

eat you alive. But as you're walking, like how

50:33

much walking are you doing a day or climbing?

50:35

Like, how much a day? Like the days really

50:38

weren't that bad. I was expecting them to

50:40

be worse. I mean, our longest day was maybe

50:42

10 hours of moving, you

50:45

know, and so then you're at the base and you're

50:47

like, okay, what do I do? And I acclimatized

50:49

well, so I had the energy, I didn't need

50:51

to sleep. And so I just sit there and

50:53

I'd write in my journal, or I'd write

50:55

notes to people or play card games. But

50:58

10 hours is still, are you able to have

51:00

conversations with people or you have to be very

51:02

much, are you able, but don't you have to concentrate

51:04

on the pool situation and all that? Yeah,

51:06

but like you're on Everest, they have fixed

51:08

lines. So somebody has gone ahead and set

51:11

all the ropes. So all you need to

51:13

do is click into them. So that makes

51:15

Everest a lot easier than Mount Logan, for example,

51:17

where we didn't have all that set up for us.

51:20

And you're like the load safe face,

51:22

which is normally everybody's least favorite section

51:24

of Everest. When we got to

51:26

that load safe face, I'm like, okay, if

51:29

this is everybody's least favorite section, how are

51:31

we going to make it fun? Because we're

51:33

definitely going from here to there. None of

51:35

us are quitting at this point. So we

51:37

sat there and we took turns being at

51:39

the front of the line. And whoever was

51:41

at the front of the line had to

51:43

tell stories, sing songs, come up with jokes,

51:45

do whatever. And then when they were tired,

51:47

then the next person would go and their

51:49

job would be to like entertain the crowd.

51:52

And it's funny because most people's

51:54

least favorite section of Everest was

51:56

our favorite section of Everest because

51:58

we got to learn like so

52:00

much about each other and how

52:05

to make it fun and playful and joyful

52:12

again and not make everything so hard.

52:17

That's a very good point. Your

52:20

book and your subtitle is 7 strategies

52:22

to build resilience and achieve your life

52:24

goals. Can you give us a couple

52:27

strategies to build resilience

52:29

since if anyone knows them that

52:32

would be you. I think

52:34

one of the biggest lessons for me

52:36

was big mountains take big teams. I

52:39

think we sit and we set these huge goals

52:41

for ourselves and then somehow convince ourselves that we're

52:43

going to get it all the way to the

52:45

end and all the way to the top by

52:48

ourselves. When I look at what it took for

52:50

me to climb Everest, I had the

52:52

team at home, I had the school involved,

52:54

you have teams on the mountain, you have

52:56

so many people involved that allow me to

52:59

actually enjoy and

53:01

participate in the climb. And if we take that

53:03

mentality to our house and say like I have

53:05

this big mountain that I'm climbing. Instead of when

53:07

it gets hard or

53:09

frustrating or you're like okay I'm going to dial

53:11

it back I was being a little aggressive maybe I didn't

53:14

mean it to be that big. That's a sign to

53:16

say who can help. Who can help me carry

53:18

this load or make this easier or get to

53:20

the top quicker because I think the goal came

53:24

to you not to negotiate but

53:27

to figure out how to make it happen. I love

53:29

that. It's true. It's saying like it's

53:31

saying like it takes a village right?

53:33

Like to raise a family, to do a

53:35

business. I

53:38

mean there's also this obvious I'm sure you've heard

53:40

the quote you know if you want

53:42

to go fast but not far go alone. If

53:45

you want to go far and whatever

53:47

that what's the quote you want to go far.

53:50

You need a team and it's a hundred percent true. I mean

53:52

honest to God like I struggle,

53:55

I'm struggling again because I don't

53:57

have a couple people that I need them. face

54:00

work-wise and it's like really taking me

54:02

back a notch until I kind of

54:04

build properly again. So not

54:07

again but as you grow, right? It's

54:10

hard to grow bigger your business or

54:12

anything in life if you don't have

54:14

a support system to really make it

54:16

happen. So that's a really good one.

54:18

What's another one? Give me another strategy

54:20

for building resilience. Yeah, you

54:23

know, I really think we need to celebrate

54:25

along the way. Honestly, God, like you just

54:27

need to have these little milestones or these

54:29

little things that you break these goals into

54:32

pieces and you're like, okay, I'm making progress

54:34

and that progress gives me momentum to

54:36

be able to keep going forward and only

54:38

you get to decide if you're making progress

54:41

and sometimes I think we focus so much

54:43

on how much further we have to go and

54:45

we forget how far we've come. So sometimes you

54:47

need to look backwards to go forwards and

54:50

a big point that I talk about in

54:52

the book is acclimatizing. Okay, when you climb

54:54

Everest, you climb up to a point, you

54:56

hit failure, right? Like your body won't function,

54:58

you can't lift a leg, there's not enough

55:00

oxygen for your body to work and then you go back

55:02

to base camp and when you go back to base

55:05

camp over the next three days,

55:07

that failure has caused your body

55:09

to physiologically change and produce more red

55:11

blood cells. So now when you go

55:13

back up the mountain, you can go further

55:15

because you had that point of failure and so

55:17

when you're climbing your mountain and you hit

55:19

a point of failure, go back home, go back

55:22

to the board room, now look at the

55:24

situation. What do you know? What are you coming

55:26

up against? What have you done? So that

55:28

when you go back out to climb, you can

55:30

go higher up your mountain. It's not from

55:32

base camp to the summit. There's going to be

55:34

points where you have to climb down to

55:36

climb up. It's kind of like regrouping so

55:38

to speak, right? You got to regroup to kind

55:41

of then move forward. No, I think

55:43

that's great. I mean Jen, thank

55:45

you. I've taken up a

55:47

lot of your time. It's been I don't know

55:49

an hour. It's actually not that bad actually but

55:51

I have so many questions like your kids like

55:54

where did you poop? What did you eat? I want to know

55:56

all the details. Can you give me a few more of those

55:58

details and then we could wrap up. That like

56:00

that? Yeah yeah yeah, we were

56:02

you lonely? Did you make friends?

56:04

I'm You know, how do you

56:06

like how. Do you even like find the

56:08

right and me? I want to know all the

56:11

little details yet you know you. This is a

56:13

cool thing about climbing or I think sports in

56:15

general. Yoni. To repeat the same language

56:17

to be a friend and do. It. Together.

56:20

right? So I vendor the seven continents.

56:22

I've met people from all over

56:24

the globe. When you share this

56:26

com and pursuits and as com

56:28

and goal. That. Is enough.

56:31

To bond a relationship that doesn't

56:33

even need language is is lit

56:35

a fire. Which is pretty fun to be

56:37

a part of you poop and little bags and.

56:39

Then you bring those little bags home

56:41

Edu low at i was of i'm

56:44

yes. So. Sometimes they'll have bathroom set up

56:46

on them out and that you'll go to the

56:48

bathroom and and it'll take care of effort would

56:50

I was in Antarctica we poop and peed and

56:52

bags so that we could bring a all home

56:54

because they didn't want to contaminate the ice or

56:56

contaminate. Antarctica at all. So.

56:59

I. Mean every now and has different rules

57:01

in different ways of handling that but it's

57:03

very much have go to pursue less out

57:05

right? which is that for part. I mean

57:07

I guess I feel better about it and

57:10

leaving. Poop under Mao and for somebody else

57:12

to stepan. Food is. Horrible. I mean

57:14

the bottom line. A year just eating

57:16

garbage, carbohydrates are so much easier to

57:18

digest and proteins you crave letter see

57:21

crave a healthy things when you get

57:23

back because you just haven't had a

57:25

healthy vegetables or anything in a while.

57:27

Which is funny because I'm known as

57:29

junk food Jenny so I get sick.

57:32

A junk food and just want real food

57:34

when I get back. Ah Jeong Foods. Yeah,

57:36

the I love as fast as. I

57:39

read all of it. all of it's fine

57:41

and here's the thing is it's always people

57:43

over peaks re like I've turned around on

57:46

my ends and he realized like. The Marlins

57:48

will always be there are goals will

57:50

always be there. But who we are

57:52

as people as way more important than

57:54

what we had. She's and been in

57:56

these environments just reminds. You of that

57:58

continuously and it's. magical. What

58:01

else is on your bucket list? Not

58:03

to say what you know now what

58:05

or what's next because I'm not going

58:07

to say that but is there something

58:09

else on your bucket list that you

58:11

want to try to attain again like

58:13

afterwards after the years up like what is

58:15

the thing on your like is there something

58:17

or? Yeah you know

58:20

I'm taking a group to Kilimanjaro soon and

58:22

we're going to go climb to the roof

58:24

of Africa because for me we can read

58:26

about this stuff or like preach

58:29

to it and speech and all that kind

58:31

of stuff but when you actually embody it

58:33

it's just a different level of wisdom and

58:35

I want people to have that experience. So

58:37

I'm taking a group including my three oldest

58:39

sons I'm making them go with me but

58:41

they're excited about it and I

58:43

hope to do more of that. I hope

58:45

to get on more stages this year and

58:47

just share the story because it's so fun

58:49

when you're in front of a group of

58:51

people and that aha moment starts to click

58:53

over for others and those excuses that they've

58:56

been subscribing to all of a sudden are

58:58

no longer valid and so they have to

59:00

like take a step forward which is

59:02

super fun. I also like listening

59:04

to people you know just to stay on

59:06

that for a second who've actually done the things

59:08

or the thing right because they have

59:10

real life experience to pull from as

59:12

opposed to what's happening a lot with

59:15

these a lot of motivational speakers is

59:17

they're speaking in theory like you know in

59:19

order to you know become

59:21

disciplined or this is how you

59:23

you know overcome self-doubt resilience like

59:26

versus someone who actually had something that

59:28

they've done and overcame and had to

59:30

like figure it out and like create

59:32

a goal and then work towards that

59:34

goal and like like you said there's

59:36

I'm sure there's a lot of like

59:38

mishaps that happen that you have to

59:41

like rejig and pivot and life lessons

59:43

that you've learned there's no replacement for

59:45

real life experience is my point really.

59:47

Yeah, I mean like to talk about

59:49

the Grand Canyon you can look at

59:51

the Grand Canyon in a magazine and

59:53

be like that's pretty. You go to

59:55

the Grand Canyon you're like oh

59:58

wow okay I'm gonna go. Pitcher could

1:00:00

never do that just as an

1:00:02

adult. So much like that and

1:00:04

the mountaineering and just getting people

1:00:06

outside into those environments. It's the

1:00:08

teachers just. Don't do it justice. I.

1:00:11

Totally agree. And like I said later, that

1:00:13

that, what that. Now it's like this that

1:00:15

this makes you unstoppable, like you feel like

1:00:17

oh my god if I can do this.

1:00:20

By. What else can I do? In a way

1:00:22

like. It's not like now white because

1:00:24

nothing's enough. It's more like wow At

1:00:26

now I I know I'm capable. of

1:00:28

this thing as I got very empowering

1:00:31

feeling I would imagine felt like I

1:00:33

am I've never climbed. Anything like that.

1:00:35

But yeah it's will get you out

1:00:37

there. don't you worry over now baby.

1:00:39

I beat how long does it by

1:00:41

the way, take to climb Mount Kilimanjaro?

1:00:44

When is that? So I'm doing the

1:00:46

seven day route right this because it's

1:00:48

easier on the body. There's. A four day

1:00:50

route as well, but there's less success on that

1:00:52

one because the body just struggles a little bit

1:00:54

more. Like it's Africa.

1:00:56

you go over do that almost year

1:00:59

round as you go in a blog

1:01:01

August you can climate and then go

1:01:03

watch the Great Migration it's there's so

1:01:05

much to do and they see. And

1:01:08

experience over there. Yeah no I went

1:01:10

there on my honeymoon. ah I went on a

1:01:12

safari but like I loved it but I. Didn't

1:01:14

climb the mountain bike as I agree with

1:01:16

you can thank you so my skies The

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book is called Breakthrough Seven Strategies to build

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resilience and achieve your life goals. Here it

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Die. You Are you really. Are sort of

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marry and and someone I I really I

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don't get impress much this is he really

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could walk across that ladder. Oh my goodness.

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Okay, so it took me about 45 minutes

1:03:10

of pep talk. I

1:03:12

heard you say that. It took

1:03:15

me like maybe five minutes to

1:03:17

get across. Oh my gosh.

1:03:19

Yeah, I know. It's so silly. Silly?

1:03:22

No, it's not. It took

1:03:24

me 45 years for

1:03:26

the pep talk. All right, Jen, thank you so

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much. I'll speak with you later. Thank you. Okay,

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