0:00

Ahoy to me compact Hamish.

0:26

I hope we're types of disc. Ahoy

0:29

to me floppy Jacko. Not the obsolete one. Yes. And

0:31

I'll be hard. Yes. And

0:35

Andy's a nine teraflop thumb drive. The best in the biz. What do

0:37

you think?

0:38

The compact disc, they were huge though. I

0:40

was like, oh, I'm going to have to get a new one. I was like, oh, I'm going to have to get a new one. I was

0:42

like, oh, I'm going to have to get a new one. I was like, oh, I'm going to have to get a new one. I was like,

0:45

oh, I'm going to have to get a new one. to have

0:48

with kids these days where I was explaining to Sunny, my little

0:50

boy on the weekend

1:08

what a video store was because

1:10

I worked at one and what that would

1:12

mean and just watching his

1:14

mind go, what

1:16

are you talking about? This doesn't make any

1:18

sense. This system, this system is terrible.

1:21

We're actually all obsolete, aren't we? Because hard disks,

1:24

they're hard drives. Oh right, it's the disks. Yeah,

1:26

yeah, yeah. Well, actually maybe the floppy

1:28

disk is the most famous because even though we don't

1:31

use it, it is the image for

1:33

the logo of Save on many

1:35

things. That's true. That is true, Jade.

1:37

I was thinking

1:38

the compact disc might be the most famous because...

1:40

I'm still the audio. I mean I'm still in

1:42

every car. There would have been more sold. There would

1:44

have been more compact discs sold than

1:46

any of the other discs. Chuck it on the hundred,

1:49

mate, because

1:52

I reckon floppies might have outsold

1:54

them because floppies have been around since the 90s. The

1:57

floppies had 10 years on CDs.

1:59

the 90s everything was floppy disk. I

2:02

know but... Do you though? Because

2:04

you're pretty anti floppy disk. No I think

2:06

music, CDs has got to be... Chuck it on

2:08

the 100. Yeah well... We can't

2:10

settle this. We've officially run out of the question.

2:12

If it goes, if you see that on the 100 it'll be

2:14

the last episode. I've also just realized that's

2:17

not what the 100 is. No, what is the question? The

2:21

question would be who thinks floppy

2:23

disks sold more? I'm like well

2:25

we're no closer to the answer. It's nice to get thoughts.

2:29

Ahoy also to Beth who used the

2:31

much easier to use system rather than sending any

2:34

disk to us by uploading her method. This could

2:36

be easier. Mail in a floppy

2:38

would be easier than this. EnglishandAndy.com.

2:41

Ahoy

2:42

boys, Beth here. I

2:44

have just done the preferred start

2:46

to finish format of the podcast and

2:48

for any new listeners that'll take you about

2:50

four months if you listen to about five episodes

2:53

a day. I just only had one

2:55

question after finishing this quest. Did

2:57

Hamish ever use the sniper

2:58

suit more than once? Yeah

3:01

well thank you Beth for using the preferred... That's

3:04

the only question. There's

3:06

so many more Peter outs than that.

3:08

But we do appreciate, we do appreciate anyone that

3:10

goes back and coast to coast it. Yeah that's really

3:13

fun. Yeah um yeah

3:15

that sniper suit's come out a lot of times.

3:18

It's come out, it came out during lockdown

3:21

for Ultimate Hide and Seek. I remember that

3:23

like during COVID. With yourself? Yeah

3:25

with the kids. And I just said guys give me 10 minutes

3:28

but then come out in the backyard, come out in the backyard

3:30

and find me. And it was like

3:33

for people that remember the hit

3:35

Harrison Ford film um Clear and Present

3:37

Danger is a great scene in that on a sniper course

3:39

uh where they're trying to find the sniper and that's very

3:42

much what the kids were doing for me. Yeah. So great

3:44

fun, great fun for the family. Good use of $400 spent

3:47

on a sniper suit. Still

3:50

good and you still, I still have it and it still could

3:52

come out at any time. You wanted to... Sorry on that

3:54

just before we move on from that I just want to, I think

3:56

I mentioned this the other week but while we're talking about sniper

3:58

suits and... I just

4:01

want to formally state, this isn't what I want to, this

4:03

isn't the next bit, but I just want to formally state that yeah,

4:05

in case I wasn't clear the other day, I'm pausing the

4:08

compound bow acquisition. I,

4:10

that was... To

4:15

see who is first to admit their Peter

4:17

route. The compound bow? Yeah. Or

4:20

Jack tracking down the CEO of Mars?

4:22

Jack will get the CEO of Mars. I've

4:25

got full confidence there. But yeah, pausing

4:27

the compound bow. A little shoot of bow

4:29

and arrow a couple of weeks ago really hurt my shoulder. And

4:31

so I'm not ready to step up to

4:33

the compound bow. And also again,

4:36

a story for another day, have got into

4:39

sea kayaking a little bit. It's

4:42

just having so many hours in the day. Don't

4:45

worry, this useless spending has occurred.

4:48

It's not all around,

4:50

but you thought it may have gone to. Things have

4:52

been bought and the top of the range

4:54

things like carbon fiber paddles have been

4:57

bought. Just, I just can't

4:59

see a way to combine them. You can fish. Imagine

5:02

there was carbon in the compound bow as

5:04

well. It would have been really, really good. So you just changed

5:06

your carbon. Carbon

5:09

suppliers globally won't notice

5:11

a dip. So I'm

5:14

obviously looking up to the carbon market and

5:16

just choosing where we distribute

5:18

that carbon. And look, maybe there's a time

5:20

when I can pop the bow on the back of a kayak,

5:24

head out into Sydney Harbor and shoot

5:26

myself a snapper. If

5:32

one snapper is foolish enough to come to the surface

5:34

within 50 yards of the kayak, then

5:37

I'll certainly take one down. But

5:40

again, if you're a snapper, certainly this calendar

5:43

year. Have you ever had a situation where

5:45

two of your spontaneous purchases have

5:47

had crossover? Because normally he gets into something.

5:50

You could use a sniper suit so the snapper don't

5:52

know you're there. Not

5:55

the best on the water. And I am in

5:57

a big white boat. It's

6:00

more of a bush sniper suit Jack. I

6:02

need to get a seaweed one, which

6:05

isn't too much of an upgrade. Now it's a

6:07

good question, Andrew. Has

6:09

some of the purchases overlapped? Yes. Probably,

6:13

golf in the sniper suit might. Why? Well,

6:17

it just could be a bit of a lark if you hit one

6:19

into the rough, hot and smart. I

6:22

mean, you guys are going, do you ever think- Golf with non-vision

6:24

goggles, that's way better a purchase seat. I actually

6:27

have got the glow in the dark. Again, not what I was

6:29

trying to talk about, glow in the dark balls. Have

6:31

you used those? I have. They're so fun. They were

6:33

a good fun. They were good fun. You

6:36

got the one

6:39

evening at port. I'm quiet

6:41

and I feel enjoyment. Because

6:43

Andy, didn't you go to play nighttime

6:46

golf and then you pulled up in the car park and it was like

6:48

a hotspot for people to hook up?

6:51

Yeah, it was- Different hole in one. Yeah. Hole

6:55

in three? Yeah, hotspot. Yeah. So

6:59

as I jumped out with my mate

7:01

Paul, everyone was like, all right,

7:03

we haven't seen YouTube before. And

7:06

I said, no, we're going- No, no, we bought special balls.

7:10

Sorry, where's the confusion here?

7:13

Are we all talking about the same thing? Good

7:16

memory, Jack. Haines. There's only

7:18

one I wanted to quickly bring up. Now it's with some

7:20

slight hesitation because I know it's an

7:22

area, Jack, you're a little nervous to talk about.

7:25

Mm-hmm.

7:26

Mr. Ralph. No, no, well,

7:29

I'm not nervous to talk about him. I just don't

7:32

want us on the show to make any

7:34

contact with him or any of what

7:36

we talk about to get back to him or anyone

7:38

he works with in case what he's doing is

7:40

dodgy and it cuts it off. Have you- I've

7:43

spoken to your partner, Bianca,

7:45

about the fact that you divulged a hell

7:47

of a lot about Mr. Ralph a few weeks back. No,

7:50

and I don't want to tell her because I don't want

7:52

to get back to her mum and feel like- I

7:54

feel that. You're all coming down like a house of cards. Yes.

7:57

I feel that, but I've had so much

7:59

feedback. from people about Mr

8:01

Ralph. So many questions that people

8:04

have. Can we ask a few more questions? Couple of questions

8:06

and we'll put Mr Ralph to bed. You can

8:08

have three yes, no questions.

8:11

Great, great. Okay. Jack. Mr

8:14

Ralph obviously means a lot to you. Yes. No,

8:17

that's a question. No, no, that's establishing

8:19

facts. So just quickly, if people

8:22

haven't done Beth's move of going

8:24

from start to finish of the podcast, Mr

8:26

Ralph is a person that Jack has never

8:29

met that gets him very, very

8:31

cheap flights overseas. The

8:33

family asset on Bianca's

8:35

side. He's been an aging family

8:37

after this. And sometimes he gets too

8:40

old and fed up to even deal with them. But when he's on a good

8:42

day and it's Bianca's mum who has to

8:44

discern whether he's in a good mood. She

8:46

reads the weather of the Mr Ralph system

8:49

and she can tell us it's a positive day. And

8:51

that's when they book flights and they can only book 18

8:54

months in advance, is it? Sorry. Um,

8:57

and Mr Ralph recently had a health scare.

8:59

Jack tried to book 10 years in

9:02

one go. And that's when he found out

9:04

you can only book 11 months in advance. Mr

9:07

Ralph, you only pay the taxes, don't

9:09

you? For business class flights. This

9:11

is the more reason why I think it's dodgy. There's

9:13

no rhyme or reason to really what we pay.

9:16

It seems like he sort of just comes up with a number. All

9:19

right. My guess is that maybe he's got some sort

9:21

of allocation and he

9:23

just sells free

9:25

flights and he just sells it for cash. What percentage

9:28

off are you getting? Do you think it's ridiculous?

9:30

So we fly, we've been flying for the last

9:33

three or four years business class to see Bianca's

9:35

family in the US for sometimes

9:37

less than an economy ticket. Wow.

9:40

Cheapest growth. Okay. My question,

9:42

my yes, no question to you is Jack. If,

9:46

can I ask you a question first? What, what,

9:48

why is it in your interest to, to

9:52

stifle what I've got going on? We're

9:54

trying to feed an hunger of information, a fascination

9:57

with people. That's the last thing we'd want. I

10:00

don't want to rock the boat. But my question to

10:02

you is, so I can understand, I

10:05

find this whole, you've never met him, but

10:09

he is so important to your

10:11

life. If Wurr came back through

10:13

Bianca's mum, that Mr. Ralph,

10:16

because we know he's an old man. Yes, he's 88. He's 88.

10:19

If it comes back to that, he is an artist. He

10:21

paints to calm himself, right? It's

10:24

one of his hobbies. And he would like

10:26

a tasteful nude photo of you to paint.

10:30

What did you say to this? To keep the relationship

10:32

solid. If

10:35

I thought he was going to jeopardise

10:38

the flight by not sending it, then yes,

10:40

it's no skin off my back. For

10:45

him behind me. I introduced

10:47

you today as floppy. Much

10:50

better than if you were the hard disk. Don't

10:54

say that. That's not tasteful. No,

10:56

tasteful. Could even have like velvet draped over

10:58

you. That's nice. He's

11:00

not going to put in galleries or anything like that.

11:03

We don't know what he's going to do with it. Either

11:05

way, if it keeps

11:08

the flights coming, keep them coming. His circles

11:11

don't overlap with yours, it seems. It

11:14

doesn't feel like there's much overlap. Another

11:17

question, Haim. If

11:20

he told you, if he asked you, right,

11:22

let's say, OK. Wurr comes and goes,

11:24

OK, Mr. Ralph's old. He kind

11:27

of gets his thrills by hearing crazy stories.

11:30

He wants you to go to the

11:32

library and film yourself stealing

11:35

some books. Would you steal two books for Mr.

11:37

Ralph? And

11:39

that's how you get these thrills. All

11:41

right. He'd

11:43

do that more than the nude. I

11:46

think I would. And then I would donate

11:48

the cost of the books back to the library. No, I'm not.

11:53

OK. Would you would

11:56

you spray paint? This is the last one. Yeah.

11:58

Would you spray paint the words? like a big

12:00

big like graffiti paste like Mr.

12:02

Ralph under like on a wall. Well,

12:06

that'd be really good. I used to do

12:08

a bit of graffiti art in my teenage years. And

12:10

he's heard this and he also is a fan

12:12

of graffiti art and he wants you to put up

12:15

a big Mr. Ralph like under a bridge. Yeah,

12:18

he would. No problem. He could get caught that day, could get busted.

12:21

No one really gets in trouble for that sort of stuff. Seems

12:23

that way. Yeah. Because otherwise there would be less of it.

12:25

I think. Okay. So it seems like you would

12:27

do a lot for Mr. Ralph. Yes. The

12:30

flights are very, very valuable to me. We're

12:32

picking up on that. Can I have

12:34

one bonus? Yeah. Yes.

12:37

See the call

12:40

that we've got. Oh no, you

12:43

don't have Mr. Ralph on the line. You

12:45

do not. Read out. What's

12:49

the name on the call set? Oh,

12:52

did say Kane. No, yeah. Cause we didn't want

12:54

to, we're not surprised. Now, now it says Mr.

12:56

Ralph. You're

12:58

going to pick, will you be prepared to pick up that

13:00

call? And I keep Mr.

13:02

Ralph waiting. I want to

13:04

call your bluff because I just don't think you

13:07

found him. But you,

13:09

he's waiting there and this

13:11

expects you to give the first words.

13:14

So how would you want to greet him? Whenever

13:17

you're ready, you can add him. I

13:19

just don't think it's him. It's Pez or

13:21

your mate or someone putting on an old

13:23

man voice. I just will be shocked. I'll

13:26

be shocked. It's very important to you.

13:28

So he, this is your yes

13:30

or no, Jack. Will you end? Will you talk to him? Yes,

13:34

I will. Because I don't think it's him. So

13:36

my opening words would be, hey, Mr. Ralph, suck

13:38

it.

13:40

How dare you, Jack? Mr. Ralph. Mr.

13:45

Ralph. Hello,

13:50

Jackie boy. Mr.

13:52

Ralph, thank you for all you've done for our family.

13:55

Thank you for agreeing to send a picture.

14:00

I had it all with

14:03

much delight. Why? Why is he so

14:05

scary? Like,

14:09

that's a witch. Nobody's

14:12

ever seen him. Nobody

14:16

knows anything about me, Mr. Als. I'm

14:21

the most mysterious man in America.

14:25

Well done. I'll see you soon, Jackie-For-All.

14:28

Come sit with me.

14:29

I'm sick. Oh

14:33

no, Jack.

14:34

I fear my days are numbered. Would you fly

14:37

over this week?

14:40

Please. Come and move an old man.

14:44

I'll see you, Mr. Als. Is

14:47

it unplugged? And

14:53

if there's one arena... If

14:56

there's two arenas of justice

15:00

and truth discovering we're passionate

15:02

about, one is Crocodile

15:06

Jumping Tours in the Northern Territory. That's

15:08

a huge part of our portfolio. The

15:12

second is chocolate. We

15:16

didn't do a lot of it last year and we might not do heat

15:18

next year. One

15:21

thing that has gone the journey though is chocolate

15:23

bars, companies, marketing,

15:29

whether they're good ideas, curious ideas,

15:31

please explain. Something that's

15:33

close to our heart as large consumers of chocolate

15:36

and certainly something that's close to our listeners' hearts because

15:38

boy oh boy, do we have

15:40

some great operatives out there in the field alerting to us

15:42

of the ongoing curiousness

15:45

of different things happening whether it be

15:47

Moltezas or other chocolates.

15:50

Now this came to me, Wes actually

15:52

saw this online and happened to know the person involved.

15:56

And so we started chatting about it. Before

15:58

we get to it though Jack, I think people... We'll be

16:01

expecting you here to jump in because we're about to talk

16:03

to a representative from the company in question, but

16:05

I don't want to step on your toes if

16:07

you had the audio from the Mars

16:09

CEO ready to go from your door stopping

16:12

during the week. It's not complete

16:14

yet. Obviously,

16:17

it hasn't started. Great, not lying.

16:20

I won't play it now because

16:22

it's not complete yet. I

16:26

wouldn't say it's finished yet. I'm

16:29

not 100% finished. Really

16:34

good. So you've actually tracked down a representative.

16:37

I've got someone. Let's start with the issue

16:39

first. The issue relates to

16:42

a four-finger KitKat, a long-time

16:45

favorite of yours. I love a four-finger KitKat. Not

16:48

such a big fan of the Tanki. Yep,

16:51

you don't. The common

16:54

feeling there, and I think I'm with you on this, is just the ratio.

16:57

If you've grown up on the normal

16:59

ratio of chocolate to wafer, you

17:01

go to the Chunky, it's just a different ballgame. Some people

17:03

love it, and that's the customer. But it's

17:05

not for you and us. And it's funny because it's

17:07

a ratio issue we're talking about here. The

17:10

person in question who found this

17:12

situation is Angus Brayshaw.

17:15

He's appeared on the show before. If

17:17

he plays for the Melbourne Football Club, he came in to do

17:19

a special skill on wine. He's lovely.

17:22

He's built up for the Melbourne Football Club, but probably better

17:24

known for failing a special skill on our

17:26

show for a wine pouring to them. He's a great

17:28

friend of the show. He joins us now. Angus. Ahoy.

17:32

Ahoy, gentlemen. Thank you for having me.

17:34

Please, love me. We'll be back on.

17:36

We've spent a long time. Gus came and said,

17:38

look, could I use the show? It feels like the right show is before

17:40

him to chase this up. Gus, can you explain to the

17:42

people what happened to you in

17:44

regards to a recent KitKat? Yeah,

17:48

I was playing golf, which you can both sort

17:50

of understand. Okay, that's right. There's

17:53

a little golf snack cart that floats around and you know,

17:55

sometimes you catch it early in

17:57

the round, sometimes it's late in the round. Yeah.

17:59

to me

18:01

where I sort of catch it depends on what I'm sort of interested

18:03

in purchasing. So

18:05

I got on the 15th hole

18:07

and I thought, you know what, I need something

18:10

here to spark me up for the last three,

18:12

four holes. And so I've ordered the KitKat,

18:15

the four fingers operation standard,

18:17

not the chunky stuff. So I've peeled

18:19

it open, I've snapped a block off myself and

18:22

took a bite into just a thick finger

18:24

of chocolate. There was absolutely no way for it to be

18:27

found whatsoever. Wow. Chocolate.

18:30

It was weird, I was with my brother and a couple of my mates

18:32

and I was like, this has got to be the weirdest thing ever. I might be the only

18:34

person who's ever, ever caught this. And I was like, it

18:36

might just be one finger. So I've gone

18:39

to two other fingers on the

18:41

other side of the bar and they

18:43

were both solid chocolate too. So

18:45

I had four fingers of KitKat chocolate with not a

18:48

side of wafer in any of them.

18:50

You didn't have a KitKat, you had a KitKat

18:53

shaped block of chocolate. Yeah. Yeah.

18:56

You had a KitKat themed block, but it wasn't actually

18:59

a KitKat. I mean... Quickly, I just

19:01

want to check on the outside of the wrapper. It

19:04

wasn't a promotional thing. A promotional thing like

19:06

chocolate or whatever. No.

19:09

And that's a good point, Andrew, because

19:11

you don't expect this. It sounds

19:14

unbelievable. So I made

19:15

sure that because once I

19:18

realized what had happened, I was like, gee, this is, I

19:20

don't know. I don't know what's going on here, but this needs to be

19:22

documented. So I got a single, that

19:24

single finger that I mentioned that I first

19:26

bit into. I had a photo

19:28

of that with the actual KitKat

19:30

wrapper. And then I also said, because

19:33

there will be skeptics, of course, that I'll get

19:35

the double, the two fingers

19:37

which I've been into, they were still connected.

19:40

And I got a photo of that as well

19:42

with the same wrapper. You

19:44

did everything short of photographing it next to

19:46

a rule on my screen. Exactly.

19:50

There's so many ways to photograph

19:52

it and, you know, everything's there. The documentation

19:54

is there. I think you'd be ducked. They're not going to

19:56

get off of the technicality of this one. We did everything

19:59

by the book. So how did

20:01

it happen? Here's my stop it happening

20:03

to other people for KitKat's sake My

20:05

game is not a pleasurable experience. There's

20:07

a point where they'll pour chocolate

20:10

Insert the fingers. Yeah, pour chocolate

20:13

of wafer pour chocolate all

20:15

the way around that and then it keeps

20:17

going down the chute That's how we'd design it. I

20:19

would I suspect That

20:22

the wafer has run out and so

20:24

it's it's gone to place them in there the

20:26

chocolates come down to pour over It's filled its

20:29

fields boots and then it gets

20:31

past quality control because who knows

20:33

they can't cut them up Yeah, you need one. They

20:35

have at the airport to look through obviously

20:38

don't have an air. Yeah away for x-ray That's

20:40

what we've discovered here at the Nestle factory Mmm I

20:42

think you're right Anna cuz there's no other way

20:44

and then it must pour over because

20:46

if it was a certain volume of chocolate They pour

20:48

they would have noticed that mold is a little shallow

20:52

But because there's no way for in it. Yes,

20:54

but they just pour it over and they just keep going

20:56

about their day Yeah, I oversight no matter how you want

20:58

to chop it up fellas. It's great We've

21:03

also got Shannon who's the marketing manager

21:06

now I Hoped to get

21:08

the factory manager of like

21:10

the guy on the production line But Shannon we've

21:12

been assured to the expert in the production

21:14

of chocolate Shannon. Oh boy to you

21:17

Hello. Hello. I am glad

21:19

that I can come represent. It's apparent growth

21:21

oversight. Yeah Which

21:23

I do you?

21:25

Agree that it is.

21:26

I think Angus should consider

21:28

himself pretty lucky. I think he's got a once-in-a-lifetime

21:31

collectible

21:31

Sorry,

21:41

you're digging those stories and you've gone with a dig in

21:43

don't worry about the upper third pass. Well Then

21:47

with the dig in okay, say Shannon How

21:56

can this happen and has it happened

21:58

before I'm looking

21:59

in all seriousness, the

22:02

wafer is a pretty important part of a KitKat.

22:04

Oh yeah. You can't have the Kit

22:06

without the cat.

22:07

Are you saying Kit chocolate

22:09

and Kat's wafer? Yes.

22:16

Is that true or is it a bit awkward? Because

22:19

it's not short for either of them.

22:22

I'm not saying it makes sense but

22:25

Kit is chocolate and Kat is wafer. Always

22:27

or

22:27

just today? No, nothing makes sense

22:29

to be honest. Nothing makes sense to be honest. Is that

22:31

really why KitKat's called a KitKat? Because

22:33

you're like, you got your kit, which everyone knows

22:35

is wafer. You got your cat, which we all call chocolate,

22:38

KitKat. Actually, they're all around here with the gourd already.

22:41

I'm surprised

22:42

you guys didn't know that already.

22:43

Well, I mean, that is huge

22:45

to us. It's not the

22:47

slight on you as a marketing manager.

22:50

That's the truth. Yeah, that message is not

22:53

getting through to the general population. If I had

22:55

to guess, I know we're sort of moving

22:57

away from your issue here Angus If I had

22:59

to guess, I would have said KitKat was called that

23:01

because originally it was just two fingers and

23:04

you like called one kit. It's hyphenated. It's

23:06

a hyphenated word and it's sort of a hyphenated

23:08

bar. Yeah. You know what I

23:10

mean? Like it's a two-part bar. I would have thought that would be

23:12

the origin.

23:13

Is that seriously the origin, Shannon?

23:15

No, no, it's absolutely not the origin. Oh,

23:17

come on. I mean,

23:20

objection irrelevant. Shannon,

23:24

did you just make up the kit for chocolate, Kat

23:26

for wafer bit?

23:27

Actually, people told us that. So

23:29

it has happened to one other person. Oh,

23:32

right. And they did let us

23:34

know that there was all kit and no cut. And

23:37

ever since, that's how we've spoken about

23:39

the present year of chocolate and

23:41

wafer. Initial complaint. Right. So

23:44

this is the internal name for KitKat because of the

23:46

very situation that Angus has faced.

23:49

Well, can you explain

23:52

how this could happen?

23:53

So your chocolate knowledge

23:55

is pretty good. I'll give you that. So

23:58

the wafer is baked.

23:59

at least

24:01

and then they get dropped

24:03

in a big mould of

24:05

chocolate where it's sandwiched together

24:07

with the filling and of course as he said the chocolate

24:10

goes on the back. We didn't run

24:12

out of wafer, we never, never run

24:14

out of wafer.

24:16

So is there one out there with double wafer? All

24:19

cat.

24:21

Maybe to find that one, you've got to find its perfect

24:24

pair.

24:24

Yeah.

24:26

So they get dropped in so

24:28

occasionally and very, very rarely which is

24:31

why I say these, you get a bit of a rogue

24:33

wafer, misses its mark,

24:35

slips and then leaves

24:38

that doesn't land in the mould.

24:41

So is the wafer

24:43

that goes into a four finger

24:46

KitKat all one piece that then gets

24:48

cut?

24:49

Before it goes in.

24:50

I would

24:54

think that if it's just one way for missing, to my

24:56

mind I was like so three went in, one dropped out, what are

24:58

the chances of all four going out? But it's the same wafer

25:01

that gets cut into four then

25:03

it goes in. I don't believe

25:05

you. Wow. It

25:08

begins. It begins to

25:10

last. Because like you're saying

25:13

four dropping and all four

25:15

missing. Yeah. That's

25:17

a great point, Andrew. One

25:19

of the chances. Yeah, that's a chance. But

25:23

that's what I'm trying to clarify. Is

25:25

it one piece that gets cut into four

25:27

just before it drops in and that's gone somewhere?

25:30

Yeah. So it gets cut into four just before it

25:33

goes in but the same little arm

25:35

drops

25:35

all four in one. So if it's really

25:38

missing. Oh, sorry. No. And

25:41

I'm sorry that I didn't believe that. That's fair. So the

25:43

arms come across and just obviously hung

25:45

on too long or dropped it too early.

25:48

Is there any chance Shannon and I'm just hypothesizing

25:51

here but when you were talking about the wafer being baked

25:54

and obviously this could be

25:56

because I'm a little bit hungry at the moment. That

25:59

sounds like a good point. delicious and I imagine the

26:01

smell is very good of freshly baked wafer.

26:04

Is it possible that somebody not unlike

26:06

myself is working there going oh god

26:08

he's gonna notice one that's missing a biscuit

26:11

and a worker perhaps

26:14

had a nibble?

26:15

Look I have eaten the wafer on its

26:17

own at the factory so it could

26:20

have actually been could it could have been me. It's

26:22

pretty good. It's

26:24

an addition of you.

26:27

It's good, I mean we know it's good but is it good

26:29

by itself.

26:30

It's excellent by itself because you know

26:32

the little filling between the wafers. Yeah.

26:35

That's actually made of KitKat,

26:37

crushed up KitKat.

26:39

Oh. It's

26:40

still eating a KitKat even if it

26:42

doesn't have the chocolate on the outside. So there's little

26:44

bit of chocolate bits in between the wafer. We

26:48

have a KitKat in here and

26:50

Jack is actually looking at us. Jack's

26:54

broken it open and he's expecting

26:57

the inside. Was that the original design

26:59

or was there a waste product that you went

27:01

hey we could crunch that up and put it in a wafer

27:03

and I think that's perfectly great. Then it's

27:06

a chicken and the egg thing because you would have had to build one

27:08

KitKat first and crush that up and make

27:10

the filling so that the original the alpha KitKat

27:13

ever made cannot have had

27:15

a KitKat in it because it was the original. That's

27:18

true. Shannon?

27:19

That is true it's a combination

27:20

of both I think so

27:22

it was made with chocolate and then

27:24

sometimes they look a kooky or you

27:26

have a three finger and why not crush it

27:28

up and make it delicious.

27:30

Additional KitKat.

27:31

We're blaming a robot's

27:34

arm. Yep. Slip up of a robot's arm. I suppose

27:36

the only thing left here is

27:38

what you know since we're representing

27:41

Angus in this. Is

27:44

it a year supply of KitKat?

27:46

Is it a lifetime supply? What

27:48

is the settlement? Are we looking over that? Do you hang

27:50

up? Shannon

27:53

is there a compensation discussion or maybe

27:56

she's put us on mute.

27:57

I did. I did.

27:58

Yes I think you

27:59

you got lawyers there to consult what you can

28:02

do?

28:03

If only I did, I think it would be quite helpful.

28:05

Shannon, is

28:08

there just a natural compensation in mind for

28:10

someone that gets all kit?

28:12

We would replace it. Angus,

28:16

Angus, what would make you feel a bit better about this situation,

28:18

given you're a fan?

28:20

I mean, that's a good question. I

28:23

don't know, to be honest, it feels

28:25

like a year's worth

28:27

is probably about right, but I'm also conscious

28:30

of the fact that... I think he's overstretching. How

28:32

about this? Yeah. Let

28:34

the plane, let's let the plane. Shannon, send him out just

28:37

an all-wise hole.

28:38

Balance

28:40

the equation. Do you know how many grams is a

28:42

KitKat? I assume it's about 45, 50 grams.

28:45

45 grams. Send him 45

28:47

grams of playful. That

28:49

feels right.

28:51

Just hearing that out loud, that feels right

28:53

for me. Shannon? I don't

28:55

know. We'll take 5% off the top of

28:57

that. Shannon,

29:00

is there anything you would like? I'll just have

29:02

a regular KitKat. Shannon,

29:06

thank you so much. Really

29:09

appreciate it. Thank you Angus for bringing me to the

29:11

show. Really appreciate it, guys. Fronted up. Hope

29:14

that works for you, Angus. Thanks, mate. Pleasure.

29:22

Gentlemen,

29:25

this might verge into must be nice, but am

29:27

I rewriting assuming both

29:30

of you guys have cars with beeps on

29:32

them? Oh yeah. Parking beeps.

29:34

Yeah. I mean not all cars do, but I think most cars

29:36

have bebeeps now. I think it isn't a must

29:38

be nice anymore. I think it's pretty much standard. It's

29:41

a safety feature, so it is nice

29:43

to have safety. We all like safety. When

29:46

you're a movie. I'm talking about your main car. I don't know which

29:48

one of yours. I am just one

29:51

car, but yes it has the beep. Did

29:53

you sell the other car with the property?

29:56

You sell your fleet. The cabin that

29:58

we had in the woods had this old... bomb

30:00

of a car you wouldn't even call it a car had no windows

30:02

no doors. Oh, nothing knows

30:05

they have so many cars you don't even have to call

30:07

one a car. So you're having a use. You weren't allowed to

30:09

drive it on the road so it only could be driven on the

30:11

property and it got sold with the property. A lot

30:13

of luxury cars you can't drive on the road. Yeah

30:16

like a Formula One car I saw one recently. One

30:19

was recently bought at Oxon like one of those Hamilton's

30:21

I was like 25 million pounds

30:24

or something not allowed to drive that on the road. Well this didn't get

30:26

out first gear so anything like that. The

30:29

revs high. Anyway

30:33

so not the Formula One car your regular

30:35

car you drive got the beep beep. Here's my question to you guys.

30:37

We're talking about reverse when you reverse beeping. Yeah

30:39

and often you know all around the car. Am

30:43

I crazy or can technology get

30:46

old and tired? Because it

30:48

feels like my beeps have got

30:51

tired. Like I've had my car for three

30:53

years I think.

30:56

It's slowed down. Like it's stopped

30:59

noticing things. I think it's getting

31:01

fatigue. Like you know your phone

31:03

sort of starts slowing down a bit. Darcy's nodding

31:06

out here. Yeah why Darcy's the authority manager.

31:08

It's a strange thing but this might be happening to people

31:10

where it's like it reminds me of you

31:12

know you see

31:15

lots of different types of security guards in lots

31:17

of different jobs. But when you see a really old one

31:19

like a really old like tired security guard

31:22

you go okay well he's obviously not probably

31:24

I'm generalizing. No you mean as sharp

31:26

as like the the the the nightclub

31:29

security guard the fresh guy. And

31:31

I just feel like my car's beeps

31:33

are like fading off. Like I feel

31:36

like a 95 year old security guard looking after

31:38

the car now. And are they just so

31:40

I can be clear. I'll give you some examples. Are

31:43

they

31:43

not beeping as much? Beeping slower?

31:46

Maybe too late? Yeah the way you know

31:48

what?

31:49

Almost all of the amount. Because you get

31:51

so used to the rhythm of the car because

31:54

mine goes beep beep beep. That's level

31:56

one which I don't even pay attention to. Like I'll

31:58

drive through. for 20 meters

32:01

forward with that then there's

32:03

then then like

32:05

all right well down

32:08

and I actually think I've got two tones of the solid

32:10

because we're all so arrogant we don't

32:13

even see it isn't yeah you can move it

32:15

I've got a bit more to go. What

32:18

do you reckon the solid

32:21

actual distance is? Yeah it's gonna

32:23

be like 30 That's why I keep going

32:25

and I'm waiting for beep beep.

32:28

What there's another one. I think I've got two tones

32:30

in my solid. Wow. They should have

32:32

like a you know the submarine like ahh

32:34

ahh ahh like when there's a

32:37

torpedo launch coming. I would like that

32:39

to be the final tone because I

32:41

don't I've lost respect for the solid because I still

32:43

think I've got a bit to go. But if you hear that

32:46

like people are tired you'll

32:48

be like okay something's up like

32:50

you know we got a this is an emergency.

32:54

Here's what's happening with my car it

32:56

like old

32:57

it will sometimes will come on out of nowhere

32:59

like I'll be just parked like

33:01

you know waiting to take off maybe finishing a text

33:03

message or something and then out of nowhere it's

33:05

be like beep beep beep beep beep beep behind you like what's

33:08

that? And there's nothing around you no? And then

33:10

it will stop. You're like

33:12

hey come on mate like just

33:15

and it feels a bit like he's been asleep and then he's

33:17

like working up and drawing a gun just

33:19

in case he's working up like mid bank robbery.

33:22

But more so when I'm backing towards

33:25

like towards stuff or I've got them at the front to

33:28

you like edging towards another car I'll be like

33:30

gee the beep should have come on by now but

33:32

I trust them and if they haven't come on then

33:35

I'm gonna keep going. Then all

33:37

of a sudden and it really feels like the car's just woken

33:40

up all of a sudden I'll be like It

33:43

jumps like three levels, like it just

33:45

has woken up that it's close to something. Today

33:48

after I dropped the kids off from school I was

33:50

backing back. There's a tree

33:53

there was like a was a parking spot has one of those trees

33:55

on the road like in its own little garden

33:57

with holes.

33:58

I'm backing back.

33:59

In my head, I go, all

34:02

right, I must be sweet over it here

34:04

because they're vaping not even a single

34:06

beep then can't

34:10

hit the pole. I said, I got

34:12

kind of the pole. Then there's a moment.

34:15

Hey, Greg,

34:16

we've already

34:17

been wrong. We've

34:23

been wrong. The robbers have gone away.

34:25

It might wake up now and start ringing

34:28

the bell. He's got time.

34:30

Whoever my beeper is, he's old. Hey,

34:41

we've got to get to this. It's

34:43

some breaking news during the week, which has shocked

34:45

the pants off us. Yep. I

34:47

don't. I mean, this came out in press release form.

34:50

I doubt many of our listeners

34:52

would have seen it covered in any of

34:54

the major mainland

34:56

newspapers. I'd say there are more. Tasmanian

34:58

newspapers, does that matter? Yeah, I would say

35:01

there's some more pressing issues

35:03

across our nation than this, but our

35:06

show specifically, they're probably. Boy, have

35:08

we been made aware of this. And Ando, you've

35:11

got the press release. It relates to

35:13

the crock wars. Now we're all well

35:15

across the progression

35:17

of the story. Original

35:20

crocodile jumping tours versus spectacular crocodile

35:22

jumping tours. The show's plan to

35:25

get up to Darwin, get the owners

35:27

of both businesses to sit down and go, hey, there's enough

35:29

river for all of us. Come on, let's

35:31

have some peace. There's been decades of hijinks

35:34

and mischief between the two. Let's

35:37

stop the rivalry. Let's embrace the

35:39

sheer joy of taking members of the public to

35:41

see a huge prehistoric reptile

35:44

jump out of the water to eat chicken. It

35:46

doesn't matter really whose name's on the side of

35:48

the boat. It's exactly how we feel. Well-documented. Well-documented

35:51

on our show. That's what we're pushing forward. In fact, here's something

35:53

we can tell listeners. During the week, we

35:55

all had a conversation. We're like, let's just go.

35:58

Like, let's book a flight. a date

36:00

to go to Darwin. Yeah. Like early November,

36:02

let's just book a weekend. We can get

36:05

off there. Yes. We can't take a peak if

36:07

we're not there. Sort of back there for us to

36:09

pull it off. And there was within our camp,

36:11

I would say, hi, hi morale.

36:15

Once we booked the, there's always that excitement when you book

36:17

a trip where you're like, let's, we're doing it. We're booked

36:19

in. Then this happens, Andrew. Yes,

36:22

press release from the original Adelaide

36:24

River Queen Jumping Croc cruises. The

36:27

original. The original for short. Yep.

36:29

The original. It says the

36:32

original and path finder

36:34

jumping crocodile cruises will close on

36:36

the 31st of October, 2023 after 38

36:39

years of operation on the Adelaide River. Unbelievable.

36:43

What are the chances of this? Original croc

36:45

shopping tours. I don't

36:47

think it's a situation where he doesn't want peace. Like

36:49

he's doesn't want us to come out there and broke any

36:51

of these. No, we, this, you know,

36:53

initially we were like, what's happened? Hopefully

36:56

it wasn't us. Is there someone walking

36:58

at peace so hard? They're like, no, I'm

37:00

closing the doors. No, doesn't seem to be

37:03

the case. He says our family business has built,

37:05

uh, has built a world-class sustainable

37:07

animal attraction that has carried more than two million

37:10

passengers. Wow. It's an Australian

37:12

icon. It's featured on Aussie big things,

37:15

the TV series, which you can get on ABT,

37:20

which saw the Croc, uh, the jumping crocodile feature on

37:22

the release of a $1 coin by the Royal

37:24

Australian Mint and on the

37:26

dollar 20 stamp by Australia. So it

37:29

really had its place as

37:31

an icon. I'll

37:33

paraphrase. It's a long press release. Special.

37:35

No one likes a longer. One likes

37:37

a logging, but, but Tony

37:40

says that there are more and more smaller,

37:43

uh,

37:44

jumping croc tours getting

37:47

added to the river and the NT government are

37:49

just going willy-nilly with permits

37:51

essentially. So this is the owner of original.

37:53

He's saying that now more permits are coming out.

37:55

Yeah. He said there's up to two sides, two

37:57

sides left in this skirmish anymore. There could

37:59

be. There's up to five car

38:02

competitors that operate in the waterway that

38:04

he says he's developed. They're on smaller boats.

38:06

He said smaller boats and big crocs don't

38:08

mix. They're obviously on big,

38:11

bigger boats like Spectacular and them. He's

38:13

suggesting that the NT, it's

38:16

unsafe.

38:17

The NT government

38:18

has to change the permitting. He doesn't

38:20

want to be out there and

38:22

keeping it and being unsafe for

38:25

any of the passengers that he'd prefer

38:27

to close it down. He's

38:29

really doing it. This

38:32

is not a threat to close. He's like, we're done.

38:35

He said these ideas aren't put forward to the Minister

38:37

of Tourism and Hospitality. He lists things and

38:39

he said the NT government, he

38:42

said he's already listed those things. The NT

38:44

government has failed us on these matters and

38:47

does not understand the inherent risks combining small

38:49

vessels with large crocodiles, not to mention

38:51

the small vessels do not have capacity to

38:53

carry a large number of conference or cruise

38:55

ship passengers, is his statement. He

38:57

said that's why he wanted to close down. The

39:01

two big C's, they are important for tourism, cruisers,

39:03

conferences. Yeah, a lot of cash in that.

39:07

I don't think this

39:09

has ever happened before. Not this is about us, this

39:11

is about a man and his business, which has been

39:13

running for decades. We should say safety

39:16

first, welfare

39:18

of the business second, then any

39:21

podcasts in Keith Visions third.

39:25

Has it ever happened in the history of

39:27

peace

39:28

deals, any mediation

39:30

where like, let's say you've

39:33

got like two corporations going against each

39:35

other, where you're just about to get to

39:37

the table to sort this thing out and

39:39

then one goes, nah, we don't

39:41

want to be a corporation anymore. Yeah. We're

39:45

out anyway.

39:45

I mean,

39:47

it's a solution, like

39:49

it's a resolution, I suppose. But

39:51

it's not what we're after with the peace deal. Are

39:54

we still going? Are we to take your holiday? Well,

39:56

I mean, we booked it and we got so excited.

40:00

Again, it's really the first forced Peter out. Usually

40:05

we're in charge of our Peter

40:07

out. For the first time ever

40:09

we're the opposite of a Peter out. We're the ones

40:12

clinging on. And someone else

40:14

has opened the door and Peter's left. We're

40:17

trying to catch Peter and drag him back into

40:19

the building. We were shutting all exits. Peter

40:23

somehow slipped out. Someone

40:26

dragged the couch against the door. Can't

40:29

believe of all the things

40:31

we were like, of all the other Peter out that have happened through

40:33

the year, I was sort of allowing them to

40:35

happen knowing that we believe that was

40:37

what I loved about when we booked the Darwin trip. I

40:40

was like, you know what? We're actually going to deliver. The

40:42

biggest thing, the biggest thing we're

40:44

going to see through. And that won't pay

40:46

out, which combines a bit of cover for any

40:48

of the other Peter out. And

40:51

now it's the opposite. Now it's like,

40:54

oh, you thought those Peter out for something. Do

40:57

you think the biggest Peter out of all? I

41:00

mean, doesn't necessarily mean that we can't.

41:03

So the first of October, do the end of October. But it

41:05

doesn't necessarily mean that we can't create

41:08

peace between the two businesses. It'd

41:10

be a nice way to call it a wonderful existence.

41:13

It does seem like an easy piece of you. Taking

41:17

his cardboard box full of stuff to his car. And

41:19

Tony, do you agree to peace? Yeah, mate, whatever. Well,

41:23

we got it. We got it. We

41:25

got it. Sure,

41:28

mate, have a hundred of a view of beauty. We

41:30

did. We did. Unbelievable

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negotiation. The

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way I was thinking of it was more like

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in those kind of mob films where

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the two dons from either side after all

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the fighting and terror and it's said it, they finally

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get together and go when they're

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both kind of retired. They

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just come back and go, hey, I just think

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we should make peace. Yeah,

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that's what we want. But you don't hear one of the

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dons. I'm like, oh God, Marcia,

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I've done that for ages. Yeah, I run a basketball clinic

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now. Yeah,

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sure, mate. Yeah, take my tarantula, I'm not involved.

42:09

That's true. So, I get what

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we want. Yes. Maybe

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is this still a good piece deal? Yeah.

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Where, you know, we do go up, because

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we were planning on sort of being there. Unfortunately, the

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flight's a book for about a week or so,

42:26

a bit less in the week after he's shuttering the business. And

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then we could talk to him and go, do you reckon you'd keep

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it as important? Oh my God. What'd you

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do? Would you stay open for a

42:37

week? Would you stay open for a week? Do

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we make a big booking for like the week after

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that he can't refuse? I

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mean, she needs conference. And

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then do a bit of, ka-ka-ka-kacha. It's

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actually a piece negotiation, surprise surprise

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piece deal. So technically, you

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still open. Would you stay

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open for us? Either that,

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or do we get there and just sort of go, look,

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who cares that it's a few days after you've closed

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forever? Would

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you be interested in, as an

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ending note, was it nice to

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end on a note of peace? That's right.

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And then we can still have a plaque to go, yeah, that's nice.

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Yeah, that's nice. As soon as we go on this spot,

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the two disputed rival

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businesses agreed to a piece. And

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it was agreed by both parties that if,

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had they both still been in business, it would have been.

43:30

It's a little anticlimactic. I'm

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just thinking of the actual... We

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both agree that had the dispute

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