With vaccinations now available, should we throw out the playbook on trying to eliminate the virus and just learn to live with COVID, like what we're doing with the flu? Grant Ogenn and Nicky De Jesus joined me to discuss how different parts of the world are trying to live in this new normal world. 

Note: This was recorded 14 August 2021. 

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