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Alright , what's up ? Ryan RP

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, rp baby I

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wanted to make this episode came

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out for those that don't know came out to

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visit a facility called New Athlete here

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in Vancouver and got

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acquainted with Ryan through universal speed

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rating and met him out in LA

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and then started tuning into

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some of the stuff he's doing with his

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athletes , paying attention to his social media and

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kind of doing stuff different than a lot of people

0:31

in the country and came out

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here to visit . So we're actually doing this . One in person came

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out to visit and kind of see

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what he's doing , see what I can take back to a good old Pocatello

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and he's with some of my athletes

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there and also in my own training . So I'll

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give the floor to Ryan to kind of let

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us know a little bit about his facility , how he

0:51

got into it , how long he's been doing it , athletes

0:53

, what not . So go ahead .

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Thanks , man it's pretty awesome

0:57

to have you come out . I actually

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got started in 24

1:02

hour fitness and it took me

1:04

about four months to realize that I was not cut

1:06

out for that type of training and it

1:08

was horrible . So then I

1:11

took the leap and said

1:13

I'm going to start my own gig and my

1:15

wife was like you got two weeks to make this

1:17

happen . So I

1:20

went from one to three to thirty

1:22

three athletes in two weeks and

1:25

pissed a lot of people off doing

1:27

it . This area

1:29

is very catty

1:32

in that if a trainer

1:34

has an athlete , they somehow have this

1:36

unspoken ownership over that athlete

1:38

. And when

1:41

some of those athletes started to venture out and look

1:43

at what I was doing even if it was bad

1:45

that started to rub

1:47

feathers and people didn't

1:49

like it . So basically

1:54

, I would take my equipment in my

1:56

truck and I drive track to track and

1:58

I would train people for speed . But

2:01

that had no clue what I was doing . It was just running

2:03

dudes through drills and

2:05

it's probably more one

2:07

of those things back then of you

2:10

give an athlete that sedentary , anything

2:12

and you're going to see a result . So

2:15

that's what we did , not

2:17

saying that these athletes were sedentary , but they just never

2:20

been exposed to that type of training

2:22

and , as good or bad as it may

2:24

or may not have been , we got a result

2:26

. So then

2:29

I did that during the summer and

2:31

if you know the northwest , here the

2:33

summers it does not rain or

2:35

it's very rare , but once the floodgates

2:38

open in mid-October it's like that

2:40

till May . But I didn't know that

2:42

and growing up in New York if

2:45

it was snowing out and we wanted to train we would just

2:47

go say screw it , there's

2:49

snow on the field and we play with snow

2:52

, so let's go train , but kids

2:54

out here don't do that . So I needed

2:56

to find an indoor spot , and first

3:00

facility opened up in a warehouse and it's

3:02

kind of evolved to what we have today .

3:04

Nice . A couple things I wanted to hit

3:07

on . That is number one . I thought the point

3:09

of like , at

3:12

the end of the day , it should be about the athlete , and it bothers

3:14

me in this industry that , like people

3:16

think they own the athlete . It's like whatever

3:18

is the best option for them and their journey

3:21

. I wish trainers would be

3:23

more open to that . And then the second thing was a

3:26

lot of coaches actually asked me like how do you get

3:28

started ? What's the surroute ? And everybody

3:30

I talked to you know it's been in the

3:32

industry a long time . It's always like you just have to make

3:34

it happen right . Like you just , like you said

3:36

, might not know exactly what you're doing , but

3:39

as long as it's like somewhat safe for the athletes and

3:41

you're learning as you go , it's like that's where everybody

3:43

starts . Everybody thinks that they get like a certain

3:45

degree or what

3:48

not right , like I got my

3:50

exercise science degree and I would say I use

3:52

like 5% of it now like a lot of it doesn't

3:54

have to do , like it all really comes from

3:56

experience and

4:00

you have to get that experience somehow . So I think the number

4:02

one way is like find someone like yourself

4:05

or like my facility where you can go and learn

4:07

, and because you are going to get

4:09

force fed so much information quickly

4:11

that you would have a , you're like basically we're

4:13

giving away , you know , for you 22

4:16

something years in industry , for

4:18

me 12 like we're just feeding them

4:20

as much information we can from what we found to actually

4:23

be useful over time . So like taking

4:25

the painstaking process of taking 12

4:27

years to learn it , for 22 years to learn

4:29

it , and then you have an opportunity

4:31

to go and even if you're working for free , you're able to get

4:33

all that knowledge , which is invaluable , for

4:36

at least a glimpse into it , right ? So

4:39

those two points kind of popped into my head

4:41

and I want you to kind of highlight I

4:44

mean you were telling me yesterday just roughly

4:46

, the numbers of athletes you've worked

4:48

with and their successes , spitball

4:51

, some of those numbers of like how many people you've worked

4:53

with and what not .

4:54

Shoot . We've

4:56

tipped over 7000 athletes in

4:59

little over 22 years

5:01

1300 collegiate athletes

5:03

, over 1000 D1 athletes , over

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140 NFL athletes

5:09

. I mean

5:11

it's crazy and up until honestly

5:13

, up until a year and a half ago , I had no idea what

5:15

the numbers were because I just didn't . To

5:18

me it was like , whatever , it doesn't

5:20

matter , yeah , just keep training . There's

5:23

a new body that comes in . Let's figure out what's wrong

5:25

and go fix them , yeah . And

5:27

then when you actually look at what

5:30

you've done , it's like holy

5:32

crap , I have no idea . And

5:34

it's like 200 and I don't know

5:36

almost 280 different colleges

5:39

or universities that we've had athletes to .

5:41

And yeah , it's

5:43

pretty wild , yeah , it's nutty . So

5:46

obviously over

5:48

time you've what you're doing is working

5:50

athletes who love it . I came in yesterday

5:52

and got to completely smash and I've been , you

5:55

know , training my whole life and the

5:57

stuff I was doing yesterday I've

5:59

been exposed like little bits and pieces of it , but never

6:01

like the way it was put together , nor

6:04

the like duration and length and the way that

6:06

you do it . And

6:08

it's funny because I asked a couple of your

6:10

some of your coaches now or people

6:12

that had trained with you that particularly Mitch

6:15

and one of the first things he said is like the

6:17

word on the street was like he heard that there was this crazy

6:20

IRP that does all this weird stuff , right

6:22

, and then and then he comes over and tries it out and then

6:24

falls in love with it . But what

6:26

you do really is like , from all

6:28

the gyms I've been to , it's

6:30

it's different than what

6:33

I see in like 90 . Well

6:35

, actually , any gym really like people have different

6:37

pieces of this , but the way you've put

6:39

it together and implemented it from what

6:42

you've learned from different sources or people Like

6:44

you're running it in a way that's

6:46

definitely like a formula for you guys . So

6:50

I want you to go in just a little bit and

6:52

explain kind of some of the stuff

6:54

you do . You know you

6:56

don't do a lot of traditional lifting

6:58

like you'll see in gyms . You

7:00

kind of focus on different muscle actions and the

7:02

way you do it . So maybe just like a brief

7:05

overview without giving away all your

7:07

secrets of like the stuff you do .

7:08

Yeah , so this would have been

7:10

, I want to say , around 2003

7:14

, 2004 Actually an

7:16

02 is when I got my first art

7:18

machine . So that

7:21

electric modality was

7:23

piggybacked by a guy named Jay Schroeder

7:25

, and Schroeder

7:27

was famous for training

7:30

Adam Archuleta , dwight Freny , jason

7:32

Taylor , edwin James he's had a ton

7:34

of guys , carlos Danesby , but

7:38

anyways , jay was steeped

7:41

in the Eastern Bloc type style

7:44

of training . But he also mixed in what

7:46

the Egyptians would do and the Greeks would do

7:48

, and you even even the mention of

7:50

Greeks training in Egyptians training

7:52

. No one touches on that . Yeah

7:55

, and I mean you got to like wormhole

7:57

deep down to figure out what

7:59

they're doing on this stuff . And then

8:01

even on to Ivan

8:03

Abhijev , who was a world-renowned

8:06

strength coach from Bulgaria

8:08

and he's banned in like seven different

8:10

countries . I'm not , I don't

8:12

really remember what it was for , but

8:15

I just know that Abhijev was known

8:18

for his athletes smashing records while

8:21

they were trained I'm sorry , while they were injured

8:23

because he would figure out ways to train

8:25

around them . Yeah , so Getting

8:29

in touch with Jay was my first introduction

8:31

to any type of isometric work

8:33

, you

8:35

know . And then dynamic isometrics

8:38

, and then into rebounds , or what we call

8:40

altitudes , and just moving

8:42

weight excessively fast but

8:44

not moving weight . Yeah , so

8:46

it's definitely not traditional lifting , but

8:49

with that , if

8:53

you didn't know Jay back then , the

8:55

next closest thing would have possibly been

8:57

Cal Deets or Buddy

8:59

Morris . There's some some

9:02

inroads with those guys and

9:04

I've never met Cal Deets or Buddy

9:06

Morris , but I know that there's some crossover between

9:09

the three of them and up

9:11

to now , the next

9:14

name that I've ever come across that has anything

9:16

to do with isometrics is Alex

9:18

Naterra , and he's doing his

9:20

isometric course through

9:22

sports myth and it's the

9:25

only thing that I found that even brushes

9:27

on what Jay used to do . Yeah

9:29

, so Schroeder was my introduction to

9:32

ISOs and it just it

9:34

made sense to me . Yeah , and the

9:37

more that we started to implement that with athletes

9:39

and the better results that I saw in

9:41

the health of the athlete , that's

9:43

what that to me

9:45

it was like . Why are more people not doing this

9:48

? Yeah , it doesn't make sense to continue

9:50

bashing our heads into the floor with

9:52

Olympic lifting when I

9:54

really still , to this day , I don't

9:57

understand why Olympic lifting is the go-to

9:59

. Yeah , and I'm not trying to vilify it , because

10:01

I've seen very , very good coaches have amazing

10:04

results , but I mean

10:06

, if we're talking the mass population of how

10:08

many people do Olympic lifting ? Why are there not

10:10

more dogs that come out of that

10:12

type of system ? Yeah , and

10:14

I know cream always rises to the top , but it's , you

10:17

know .

10:18

It just doesn't make sense for

10:20

sure , yeah

10:22

, and like layman's terms , what I got from going through

10:25

that work , like and observing , is

10:27

it's like you know you're finding

10:29

ways to a , a

10:32

Understand

10:34

gravity forces , like it's really Matt a lot of . It feels like it's

10:36

mastering , controlling your

10:38

body weight , moving at fast speeds , right , like

10:40

when it comes to like the altitude drops

10:42

and Stuff like that , and then

10:44

using Implements that most people

10:46

like oh , those are light implements , right , but

10:49

then when you look at the way you do

10:51

it and how it's moving through through space

10:53

and then you're Reversing it , catching

10:55

it , the four , I don't think a lot people

10:58

probably understand the forces that are generated

11:00

by that . Yep , and then how with

11:02

it , if you know if you can actually move it quickly

11:04

, has to be a lightweight , like if you are

11:06

trying to do a heavy weight , you're not . You're just

11:08

not going to move it as fast . And sport

11:11

, obviously Athletes everything they

11:13

do , I mean the best are always

11:15

the fastest and they able to contract the fastest

11:17

and whatnot . And so

11:19

that's that's kind

11:22

of like the layman's terms of like the why

11:24

it doesn't look traditional is there's not people loading up

11:26

a ton of Heavy weight . Yeah , it's all like

11:28

lighter implements , but people are . You

11:30

know the way they're doing is creating more force and

11:32

like the naked eye is going to walk in and be like , well , why

11:35

aren't they being in heavy weights ? But the athletes

11:37

are actually , you know , reducing and redirecting

11:39

a ton of weight per

11:41

se due to physics yeah

11:43

, versus like just on the bar . So

11:47

I went through yeah , I went through that

11:49

workout yesterday and Like

11:51

it blasted me and I was like I

11:53

didn't expect that because I'm in fairly good

11:55

shape and Like my body

11:57

just felt like it was crazy , like the

11:59

energy systems I was moving through and how my body felt

12:02

in that first set . It's pretty wild , yeah

12:04

, like it's very humbling .

12:06

For sure , and I'm sure you have a lot of athletes

12:08

that come in that are really really good in the

12:10

weight room To their knowledge

12:13

of and what they do , and then they come

12:15

in and it's like you

12:17

know you probably some guys walk out just because

12:19

of how it is they do , and I

12:21

think this

12:23

is not an indictment on traditional

12:26

lifting , but I think a lot of Athletes

12:28

, especially , and today , they want that instant gratification

12:31

of I just put five more pounds on

12:33

the bar today than I did last

12:35

week and my

12:37

argument is okay , did you actually

12:39

get better or did you have a song

12:41

on that excited you more than yeah

12:45

, you normally would have been ? Maybe your

12:47

girlfriend said , yes , yeah , I don't know

12:49

for something , but you

12:51

know I could piss an athlete off and get

12:53

a five pound increment in anything

12:56

, but I haven't done anything to change

12:58

their athleticism . I've just changed a metric

13:00

on a bar , yeah

13:02

, which there's no carryover to . So

13:04

we could take our youngest

13:07

athletes and teach them how to absorb

13:09

force Just with their body weight . They're

13:12

going to get faster just because the

13:15

more force they can absorb , the more they can produce

13:17

. Yeah , so to

13:20

me I it really started to hit

13:22

home when I started getting into martial arts and

13:25

I Would spar against

13:27

different degree . Black belts and and

13:29

there really is no difference other than the

13:32

first degree and the eighth degree

13:34

are the exact same thing From

13:36

a fundamental standpoint , but the eighth degree

13:38

hits way harder than the first

13:41

degree . Yeah , now there is going to be some

13:43

more knowledge and more things

13:45

from the eighth to the first , but

13:47

fundamentally the punch is no different

13:49

. It just comes with a heck of a lot more

13:51

heat , yeah . So to me it's like

13:53

, if that's

13:56

where it's really coming from from the brain

13:58

and from a signaling standpoint

14:00

and a stimulus standpoint , it

14:02

makes more sense to do what we're doing , with

14:05

a ton of visualization of when

14:07

the athletes in an isometric lunge in our mind

14:10

and they're activating

14:12

it the way we want them to . They're

14:14

thinking 23 miles an hour , 24

14:17

or I don't care if they can't achieve that . Yeah

14:19

, but if the bar is being set higher and

14:22

they're outputting a bigger physiological

14:24

and neurological stimulus To

14:26

the exercise , it's only gonna

14:28

bump them up when they go out onto the track

14:31

, yeah . So the other way that I look

14:33

at this is and we got into this

14:35

when we started dealing with less

14:37

Spellman

14:39

for those that don't understand what less means it

14:43

was like okay , well , we have to have a massive

14:46

neural jump For

14:48

max velocity , but

14:51

that's exactly what we're doing in the weight room . Yeah

14:53

, and I've heard other coaches say you can't

14:55

train speed in the weight room . I think that's a load of crap

14:58

. Yeah , you can if you

15:00

do it right . And to me

15:02

, if I'm going okay , well

15:04

, are you saying that

15:06

you can't train speed

15:08

in the weight room because you're only visually

15:10

looking at someone's sprinting ? Therefore

15:13

, you equate that to speed . If , if

15:15

we're looking at the neural output from

15:18

a sprint and you felt it

15:20

yesterday in the lunge , yeah , they're

15:22

very , very similar . It's just it's a longer duration

15:24

of that same intensity , yeah , so

15:27

that's that's kind of my mindset

15:29

and my logic with that .

15:30

Yeah , no , it's , it's really brilliant

15:32

and I wish I would have been kind of turned on to it earlier

15:35

, just because , true

15:37

, and it's like a lot of it too

15:39

, when you would get back to just basics , is like

15:41

, what do you see in sport , what are the

15:43

demands versus in

15:45

the weight room ? And you

15:48

know you're not trying to mimic sport in the weight room , but

15:50

you're you're trying to Get

15:53

the same stimulus near , like neurologically

15:55

right and speed wise , because it's

15:57

like you don't see

16:00

, there's no barbells and

16:02

weights on the field , right , it's like all body

16:04

weight mastery , being able to fire the best

16:06

athletes move the smoothest , very

16:08

efficient , and they're powerful and they need to

16:10

be right and and so

16:13

it all makes sense , like when you actually come in and see it

16:15

and if you kind

16:17

of understand basic principles of

16:19

Physiology in the body

16:21

and how it works . But it was all . It's

16:23

all interesting because you don't , I don't , haven't

16:25

seen it anywhere else . I'm sure other people

16:28

out there are doing something

16:30

along the lines , right , but they're

16:33

not like right now You're the most successful doing

16:35

it that I've heard of or know of Mm-hmm

16:38

. Right , and it's just a whole another

16:40

way to train and , and I was telling you this morning

16:42

, like going through it , like

16:45

I've been , I'm sore in places that I

16:48

Haven't really been sore in my hips

16:50

and in my legs and

16:52

In one

16:55

day I've

16:57

had a lot of experience doing this and I still wasn't

17:00

. I knew I had some a little bit of pain from

17:02

past injuries and maybe some

17:04

weaknesses , but I wasn't really like as I

17:07

didn't really figure it out exactly . You know a

17:09

great way to attack those and

17:11

in one day of just doing this type of stuff

17:13

, it was very apparent like where

17:15

I had some weaknesses and I'm like

17:18

sore in the areas that I know need to be improved

17:20

, but just through my traditional lifting

17:23

and whatnot , I hadn't really been able to

17:25

target those like I feel like I was able to yesterday

17:27

and that's one thing I want you

17:29

to expound on is like I

17:31

think the way you do things A

17:34

is going to improve a lot of metrics that aren't thought

17:36

about as much in

17:38

terms of mobility and movement , and maybe

17:40

a little bit about that . And then

17:43

talk a little bit about some of the

17:45

re like success you've

17:47

had as you have . So for those listening

17:49

inside the facility there's also a

17:51

PT , some chiropractic , whatnot , but

17:53

you've had an opportunity to work with a lot of

17:55

athletes that are injured and getting

17:57

them back to sport , which is still

17:59

an industry like still a huge gap

18:02

, I feel like . Like from what I see with traditional

18:04

PT to clearing kids to play sport

18:06

and all their testing we've ever done

18:08

with those kids to get cleared after PT is they're not

18:11

even close to where they're at before they got injured and

18:13

really they should hopefully be coming back better so

18:15

they don't get injured again . So

18:17

I just gave you a lot to talk about .

18:19

So , basically , when an

18:22

athlete comes in and I'm giving you kind

18:24

of the end result of a constantly

18:26

evolving process , so

18:28

prior to getting in with us are

18:31

we went down the rabbit hole with Gota

18:33

, and Gota

18:37

, like a lot of programs

18:39

, will swear that you

18:41

have to do only what they're doing and

18:45

they're going to look for video evidences

18:48

and they're going to look for different things to back

18:50

up exactly what they're saying but

18:52

also ignore other parts

18:54

of movement patterns that

18:57

don't fit the scheme that they're

18:59

trying to , or it doesn't fit what their

19:01

narrative is . So you

19:04

deep dive on that and you're like , okay , there's

19:06

clearly some very obvious

19:08

things that they're talking about that you

19:11

then are seeing in your own practice

19:13

that you can't deny . Okay

19:16

, so check that box , you

19:18

can't deny that . That's like going well , the sky

19:20

isn't always blue . Well , really

19:23

, because I see a

19:25

lot of evidence that proves that it is . So

19:29

then you've got that . Then you

19:31

start to look at some of the holes that are in that

19:33

system . So you've

19:36

kind of got that veil and then you go back

19:38

to like the Ultra Fit stuff with Schroeder

19:40

and that

19:43

was extremely linear based , anti

19:46

rotational , but neurologically

19:48

off the charts , but

19:51

there's holes in it because in his system

19:54

you never run , which

19:56

doesn't make sense . But in the idea

19:58

was that if you physiologically are running

20:00

and visualizing in that

20:02

rep , you should be able to go out and do it on

20:04

the floor or the court or whatever , because

20:07

you've already done it mentally and I think

20:09

there is something to that . But

20:11

that's extremely difficult to get the

20:13

little eight year old to come in and go . Hey , think

20:16

about being in the NFL . I know you're only eight and

20:19

Santa Claus is coming this year , but

20:22

go 100% on this . You can't

20:24

. But then so you

20:26

have that . Then you look at the

20:29

go to side and then

20:31

you look at the USR side , which

20:33

is the first time that we ever had even

20:35

thought about profiling or finding

20:37

deficiencies in speed through data . You

20:41

blend all that together and

20:43

I believe that's the best

20:45

way to go and

20:47

attack the low hanging fruit on

20:50

all the athletes , because it's easy

20:52

to take . You know a kid that runs

20:54

22 and go . Is

20:57

there really much more that I can do to him ? He's pretty

20:59

freaking fast . To begin with , I

21:01

guess my job would be not to screw him up , but

21:04

I don't want to do that . So why can't we get him up to

21:06

23 , five , maybe even 24

21:08

? But

21:11

at the same time that 22

21:13

mile an hour kid has had constant

21:16

shin splints and hamstrings . So

21:19

we're not only going to take a

21:21

side angle view of

21:23

it , a data view of

21:25

it , but I want to get a front angle view of it

21:27

, which would be the , I guess , the go to eyes and

21:30

for the record , I'm not associated with go

21:32

to they . They didn't like that . I got

21:34

involved with less than I don't have a problem saying it

21:36

and I really don't care if it pisses them off

21:38

. But

21:41

you know , I appreciate the knowledge

21:43

. There's parts that we use and you experienced

21:45

a little bit of that yesterday . But

21:47

it's not an end , all be all . And

21:50

I have guys that

21:52

were there quote unquote , poster

21:54

child , poster children , whatever you want to

21:56

call it that hit me up because

22:00

they were going . I felt

22:02

great but I had no juice on

22:04

the field and that's

22:06

that's a recurring theme that I got when

22:09

we deep dived into go to and

22:11

we switched everything , basically dropped

22:13

ultra fit , which had been working for 20

22:16

years , dumped

22:18

everything for go to guys

22:20

were feeling great but they had no sauce

22:22

and it's like

22:24

and I almost went out of business and I would even talk

22:26

to them and go look , I'm dying over here

22:28

, I got to be doing some of my older

22:31

stuff or I'm going to , I'm going to lose . And

22:33

you know , they were just hammer , hammer , hammer . No , you got to stick

22:35

to it , stick to it . And then finally it's

22:37

like screw this . And then one of the

22:40

beauties that I found with less

22:42

is he's like I really don't care

22:44

what you do in the weight room . If

22:46

you want to do conjugate , do conjugate . If you want

22:48

to do , go to do , go to . If you want to do this , do this

22:51

. My system doesn't

22:53

dictate what

22:55

you do , it's just

22:57

there . The numbers are what they are based

23:00

on . What stimulus is you put into it ? And

23:02

that was that was really weird for me , because I've

23:06

been in FRC , I've been in , you

23:08

know , kin stretch and all that kind of stuff , and

23:10

that's a very good system , but

23:12

it's also limited . So

23:15

but they , they will

23:17

kind of almost cabal

23:19

you in a way that if you're doing this , only

23:22

do this cert . And that's kind of how

23:24

every entity has been until I

23:26

linked up with less . And that was that

23:29

was weird at first because I was waiting for all right

23:31

, well , what's the next ball that I have to got

23:33

to drop all this stuff and sell

23:35

that piece of equipment because that doesn't fit the fit

23:39

the system .

23:40

Yeah , now I

23:42

like that and you kind of hit on what

23:44

I brought up earlier and what I'm noticing is , like you

23:47

, really you've taken

23:49

the time and energy to dive into each

23:51

one of these disciplines but

23:54

then you've been able to take the things that work for

23:57

you and then create the new

23:59

athlete formula with all this different stuff

24:01

and all

24:03

of it has its place , it has its things that are good

24:06

but , like you

24:08

said , they try , like most organizations

24:10

try , to just create , like you have to do exactly

24:12

what we're saying , but you've

24:14

been able to blend all this together and

24:17

, you know , good is interesting in

24:19

a sense because , like we talked about

24:21

yesterday , I brought up is a

24:23

lot of my best athletes , naturally

24:26

, and my fastest and my strongest

24:28

, and kids that are going to go to probably

24:30

play in professional level . They

24:33

all have tendencies to move the same

24:35

way and some of that fits within that go-to

24:37

profile , right , but

24:39

that's can't

24:41

be just the only piece of the puzzle , right , like it's like they

24:44

move a certain way , but , okay , they already move

24:46

that way . You know , we have to keep . We

24:48

have to keep driving stimulus in other manners

24:50

so they can create force and whatnot

24:52

, right , not just like make a move a certain

24:54

way and then they're good . So it's

24:58

interesting how I do like some of that , and I would

25:00

say 90% of my athletes that come in in the

25:02

beginning or even now Don't

25:05

move that way and they are Athletes

25:08

that do have nagging injuries and it seems like my ones

25:10

that do move like that are pretty healthy

25:12

Mm-hmm in general . So I think there is

25:14

something to that . So

25:18

that's that's . What's interesting is it's like , but

25:20

they want you to only do one thing and you're like no

25:22

, no , no , you got to make , create your own blend

25:25

, you got to do all these different things there's , I think

25:27

there's Just

25:29

to touch on what you were talking about with , like , your top

25:31

guys and them having what would be as

25:34

close to what Go to would want

25:36

.

25:36

Yeah , they probably also have as close

25:38

to what us are would want . Yeah , and

25:40

they probably also have as close to what this

25:42

system or that system has . But

25:45

then when you step back and you watch them run

25:47

on the field , you're like that

25:50

that's , he's a dude that just has it

25:52

. You just watch him move and

25:54

he moves differently . And

25:56

it would be

25:58

amazing if all these systems could

26:01

speak to each other Mm-hmm , and

26:03

put their egos aside and I'm not saying

26:05

or implying that each one

26:07

has . They do to a certain extent

26:09

, yeah , but you

26:12

know again , like with less is like

26:14

I don't care . Yeah , that's

26:16

what you want to do . Then knock yourself out . But all

26:19

the other ones are like no , don't do speed

26:21

. Yeah , don't run . Okay

26:23

, well , but I play a sport where I have

26:25

to run . Yeah , we have it . Don't

26:27

do it Doesn't make any sense

26:29

. Okay , so

26:32

Cool . I guess I'm gonna

26:34

have to find a different program to train in or

26:36

I'm gonna be limited on what

26:38

knowledge I have that I

26:40

got from a system . I'm

26:42

gonna use it to the extent that I know and

26:45

pray to God that I don't have an injury or I

26:47

don't find myself in a position that something

26:50

bad is gonna happen . And yeah

26:52

, and you know , like everything

26:54

the buzz is on Rogers right now , that

26:57

thing was gonna pop , whether he was on grass or

26:59

turf . Yeah , because of the positioning of

27:01

the ankle and and for people to

27:03

vilify a turf for that particular injury

27:05

is , in my mind , is stupid , especially

27:08

when you consider how you watch the ankle

27:10

collapse and Then he's

27:13

got a 260 pound dude on top

27:15

of him . Yeah , I'm

27:17

pretty sure anybody would pop at the same time

27:19

, for sure , in that position with that

27:21

weight . Yeah , yeah , and what I'm surprised is

27:23

if you , if you watch Rogers over

27:25

the years of how he moves , I

27:28

don't recall him trying to get

27:30

out of that type of Position

27:32

. He would just go down , yeah , and I think

27:34

that's why he's never really had major injuries

27:36

. Same with Brady outside of the ACL , but

27:38

I'm pretty sure that was contact , yeah

27:40

. So you

27:44

know I'm kind of digressing

27:46

, but again it goes back to you

27:49

know , if I'm seeing something , I Don't

27:52

want to just go . I

27:55

don't know what . I don't know what to do with that . Yeah

27:57

, there has to be a solution and yeah

27:59

, the data is gonna say pretty

28:02

much the same thing that the

28:04

video is saying for sure , or

28:06

maybe we're not quite there yet , yeah

28:09

, but it's definitely gonna . You're definitely gonna see benchmarks

28:12

that are gonna be like there's red flags

28:14

over here in the data world . Yeah

28:16

, you got it . You got to pay attention to something

28:18

. The video there's . There's red

28:20

flags right there . You got to pay attention to that . Yeah

28:23

.

28:24

And and to that point too , is like that's

28:26

why you need all these different pieces . And

28:28

to bring it back to like you talked about , you're gonna

28:30

have athletes of walking that just got it like and they're

28:32

pretty good at everything , yeah , but then you're gonna get

28:34

kids that are pretty bad at everything , or kids that are

28:36

really good and maybe they look really good

28:38

in these two sectors of your education , but in these

28:41

two they're bad . So it's like I think

28:43

you do . You need that wide breadth of skill

28:45

sets and tools to To

28:48

help each athlete in the way that they need , because a

28:50

majority athletes aren't gonna walk in and have it

28:52

, so the best coaches are the ones that can take those

28:54

athletes , yep and elevate them across

28:57

the board and then they become an athlete that does

28:59

have it right , because some people are born with it and

29:01

that's just how they move , for whatever reason . Maybe

29:04

they crawled more as a kid in the go-to world or

29:06

whatever . It's like there's just different things

29:09

that happen and circumstances

29:12

where athletes just come in with different skill sets

29:14

and if you only have one

29:16

, one hole to try to shove that athlete

29:18

through , like you're not gonna be successful

29:21

with the majority of the athletes that you have

29:23

. And one thing that's interesting about Rogers this

29:25

last year and I'm not vilifying

29:27

like traditional way lifting at all , but he

29:29

came in that year and

29:31

said that he had . I saw a statement from him

29:33

and he said he'd been getting out for the weights more

29:36

than normal and lifting in the weight room

29:38

. I didn't know that . Yeah , so he

29:40

had stated in the like the preseason

29:42

that he this is the year He'd lifted the most

29:44

in the way it was making a ton of strength

29:47

progress in PRs and

29:50

maybe just coincidence that this is the year he happened

29:52

to get hurt right . Maybe

29:54

the way he was lifting and whatnot was starting

29:56

to strengthen him in positions that maybe

29:59

he wouldn't have got into naturally . And

30:01

so now he's , you know , dropping that inside ankle

30:03

bone . He's been squatting a lot , whatever . So

30:06

that's all interesting not to look more into that , but it's

30:09

it's entirely possible .

30:10

But yeah , the thing is is that there

30:13

was a period of time where you

30:17

get in and you and you look and you go , oh , there's the

30:19

injury . And then you deep dive on who you trained with

30:21

and then you go and attack that person or attack

30:23

what they're doing , and it's like that's so stupid

30:25

. That's Twitter .

30:27

Yeah , it is the Twitter champion . Somebody gets

30:29

hurt and then all of a sudden , there's a thousand Achilles

30:31

experts . You're like what were you up ?

30:33

Yeah , but then , on

30:35

top of that you're , you've got people that have

30:37

subscribed to a certain Ideology

30:40

or Methodics , but

30:42

they themselves have never trained anyone . They're

30:44

the expert to everything . Yep , it's

30:46

like the health experts for sure .

30:49

And and people are gonna , like athletes are

30:51

gonna get hurt . Like even if you have the best System

30:54

in the entire world . Let's say like somehow you

30:56

quantify that and you're like you have the best system

30:58

and and Somebody's

31:00

gonna get hurt . Like athletics come

31:03

with the risk of Getting

31:05

hurt through contact . Obviously , when you see

31:07

non-contact contact injuries , you're like , oh , that might have

31:09

been a little bit more avoidable . But like when

31:11

you're banging up on each other or your volleyball and you're

31:13

jumping up and somebody undercuts you at the net , you know like

31:15

it's like there's nothing you can do . You

31:19

know with with us or in our facilities

31:21

that are gonna stop that injury from

31:23

happening . And that's tough as a coach

31:25

sometimes too , is just being okay with that Like

31:27

you're like because you really connect , you

31:29

become friends with these kids and oh

31:31

, sure and mentors , and then

31:33

you know you feel a responsibility

31:36

when stuff like that happens .

31:37

I feel like Every

31:40

trainer that's been in it for a while you

31:43

know , every everyone has a logo that's pristine

31:45

and it's clean and it's nice . I Would

31:48

almost rather have the logo that looks like it's been run

31:50

through the ringer yeah , eat up , it's chipped

31:52

, it's cracked . Because every trainer

31:54

has had some athlete that they're like oh my gosh

31:57

, this is my guy and something happens

31:59

. Yeah , and it's like Frank

32:01

, are you kidding ? And it's almost

32:03

like you take it personal because you've invested

32:06

so much time and effort and energy to them

32:08

. They've given you that or

32:10

they've reciprocated that and

32:12

it didn't work out .

32:13

Yeah , we had one like we

32:15

knock on wood . We're lucky

32:18

We've only had one . One

32:20

like ACL tearing a soccer role that we've

32:23

trained for like an extended amount of time and

32:25

it's crazy , man

32:27

, like she would have been the last athlete . Based

32:29

on how she moved I would have assumed and

32:31

she picked up basketball or senior year just for fun

32:33

after she already committed for soccer hadn't played in four

32:35

years , literally first play , like

32:38

first down and back on the court , just tears

32:40

or ACL , like sucks just

32:42

went , somebody went to drill by or just a cut

32:44

to tears or ACL and and

32:47

blows our minds because we're like everything

32:49

about her looks like she's not going to do that , yep

32:51

, and that ripped

32:54

us up . But she the good side

32:56

was , is she ? I mean she got

32:58

back , was able and stepped on the college

33:00

soccer field in eight months and was able to start playing

33:02

like she . Between that transition she

33:04

worked her ass off but she's still playing , yeah

33:07

, so she had that base to where she was able

33:09

to recover Faster from that injury

33:11

like that's the perks , I think , of doing this tennis type

33:14

stuff too is like when , if something does happen like

33:16

that , your body , it

33:18

seems like you're able to get back from

33:20

that quicker and maintain some of the strength you had

33:23

and and whatnot . So she was

33:25

able to show up the day she was supposed to and be

33:27

ready to play with a brace on . But

33:29

that was

33:31

big for us . But I know you've

33:33

shared with me I

33:35

mean with the type of stuff you're doing in here like I wish

33:37

I knew a little bit . I implemented some more of this stuff

33:39

with her on the way back , because you I mean

33:42

you had stated that you guys were able to Get people back from like

33:44

. We'll just use ACL as an example , because that's like a

33:46

very common injury with athletes and it typically

33:48

takes nine months to a year . You

33:52

know , doing this kind of stuff getting the nervous system

33:54

firing and the different

33:56

types of mobility and drills and stuff you do like

33:58

you've been able to get athletes back pretty fast .

34:00

Yeah , there was . We had a run where . So

34:03

I've had personally over a hundred ACLs , yeah

34:05

, and the fastest

34:08

was two weeks in that . I know that's

34:10

crazy , yeah , but

34:12

through the use of the ARP and Heavy

34:15

, heavy ISOs , the ACL

34:17

had actually reattached on its own . Wow

34:19

, and I know

34:21

people think I'm batshit

34:23

crazy to even say that . Yeah , but If

34:27

the environment is right , the body

34:29

is designed to heal itself . Yep , but

34:32

I would never advertise that because it's like

34:34

that's like going I , yeah

34:37

, you train here , I'll get you a scholarship . Yeah

34:39

, I mean that's as crazy as that

34:41

is . But normal post-op ACL is

34:43

about 12 to 14 weeks . Yeah

34:46

, the problem is If

34:49

insurance is involved , that's

34:52

gonna be a little bit different . Yeah , but

34:54

most of the PT

34:56

education Is

34:59

it stuck in a book and it's a number

35:01

and you can't violate that number . Yeah

35:03

, it's six to eight months period and now we're starting

35:05

to see the nine to twelve months

35:07

come back . Yep , and I've even

35:09

got I had a kid that came in that

35:12

was on month 15

35:14

. It's crazy and was not running

35:16

and I don't , I don't

35:18

understand . I'm like how did we go back to 1980

35:21

on ACL rehab ? I mean that's

35:24

crazy .

35:25

Well , you gotta get more visits .

35:27

Yeah , that's

35:29

just blows my mind . But the problem

35:31

was the athlete was so scared to

35:34

do anything dynamic , yeah , that

35:36

we had . We had to overcome the fear before

35:38

we could even worry about moving . Yep

35:41

, and it's just . I Don't

35:44

understand it . If it's a money thing , I guess

35:46

I get it . Yeah , from an insurance

35:48

standpoint . But how could you , in good faith

35:50

, unless you are so married to

35:52

what you're doing , yeah , that

35:54

you essentially ignore everything else ? It's

35:56

in the industry , in

35:59

your PT world ? Yeah , I

36:01

mean , how can you , how could you go ? Oh , my gosh , that guy in the

36:03

NFL came back in six months .

36:05

Yeah , I mean Adrian Peterson did it in three and

36:07

that's the highest levels of movement . You know

36:09

I'm saying like that's , that's being ready to go

36:11

, yeah , in the NFL .

36:13

But but this , this little girl who is

36:15

in a , she's healthy

36:17

, yeah , she should heal fast and

36:19

you're at 15 months , yeah , yeah

36:22

, I think that's a good like .

36:24

I think that brings into light like also

36:27

a lot of in that world

36:29

, they'll terrify the kid to do stuff and it's

36:31

like I think

36:33

the faster you can get back into like that performance

36:35

mindset with an athlete that's been hurt and Getting

36:38

in the buy-ins who like getting after

36:40

it to get better and not that like

36:42

you have to wait this amount of time , no

36:44

matter what . Yeah , I think that's huge

36:46

because I do think probably a lot of those

36:48

slow recoveries are , like you said , more Themselves

36:51

holding them , like holding themselves back Because

36:54

they're scared , yep , and they don't

36:56

want to get like getting hurt . It

36:59

can be scary , like I tore my Achilles , tore on

37:01

quarter sub 10 and like I've had some pretty bad injuries

37:03

and

37:05

it can be terrifying for some . I was

37:07

like I'm just dumb so I always like would

37:09

get back to doing things as quick as I could

37:11

, even if I wasn't supposed to , because

37:13

I figured like if it doesn't hurt too bad then

37:16

it's okay , and I

37:18

think I wasn't knowledgeable enough , like I

37:20

missed some stuff for sure , like we found out yesterday

37:22

. But I've been able to get back to doing

37:24

everything I love to do at a decent

37:26

level for my age and and

37:28

. But I see athletes

37:30

all the time that even the smallest injuries like

37:33

they'll just they'll be terrified even if , even if they

37:35

like Kind of pull their hamstring or they

37:37

have a hurt ankle and they're out . I mean they

37:39

don't want to do anything , yep , and they're just like

37:41

scared to do things . And the

37:44

way to get better faster is to get

37:46

the body moving , like get the body trusting

37:48

again and moving and going through . Yeah

37:51

, for sure , you're

37:53

fine . I can just cut that out . Um

37:56

, so that's a good point . And lastly

37:58

it we've mentioned the ARP a couple times . Just

38:01

for those listening , if there's some people listening or interested

38:03

in it , like

38:05

just a little bit of like what it is , how

38:07

it works and how you use it on

38:10

the body .

38:10

So the ARP is an electric modality that

38:14

identifies where the electrical

38:17

disconnect is in the muscle itself

38:19

. So in the pt Goggles

38:22

, if you throw those on , I'm

38:25

it's identifying the sodium potassium leakage

38:27

in the cell . So once

38:29

we can identify where that is the greatest

38:31

, that

38:33

responds to inflammation which

38:36

, if inflammation is left long enough

38:39

, it will form scar tissue . If scar

38:41

tissues is left long enough , it will begin to

38:43

Create osteophytes and

38:45

then osteoblasts and then bone and

38:48

or you'll calcify . Um

38:51

, I messed the time frame up

38:53

on that . So If

38:55

you've ever seen a kid that has osgur

38:58

slotters severe , I mean you

39:00

it looks like an elbow below their knee

39:02

on the tibial tuberosity and

39:05

it's horrendously painful because

39:07

that ligament is being constantly

39:09

inflamed or torn or

39:11

stretched . Um , but

39:14

a lot of that is because the quad can't absorb

39:16

force and all that force is being sent

39:18

to that particular point . So

39:21

what does that have to do with the ARP ? The ARP

39:23

identifies where that muscle is shut down

39:26

, so it brings that muscle

39:28

back online To absorb

39:30

force , which then redirects

39:32

the force or absorbs it from going

39:34

to that ligament , tendon , bone . Yeah

39:36

, so that's , that's essentially what the ARP does

39:39

. It's the

39:41

patient or the client comes in and goes

39:43

. The ARP healed me . Well , I'll technically

39:46

know . Yeah , the ARP removed

39:49

what was preventing you from healing you . Yeah

39:51

, but that sounds way less sexy , for

39:53

sure .

39:54

So is there a way like you know that obviously

39:56

there's stim units available to general

39:59

public is there ways for them to kind of Get

40:01

some of that benefit with those , like if they went and

40:03

purchase those , or is this kind of ?

40:06

You need a professional to kind of help you with that ARP

40:09

basically went

40:13

the illegal route and sold them to

40:15

individuals without

40:17

a medical license . And

40:20

the reason I know this is because I was one of them and

40:22

I never should have had the ARP . But I did

40:24

because they're like all right , well , you

40:26

, you seem kind of cool and you train people . So

40:29

$22,000 for

40:31

your first one , yeah , and

40:33

my wife thought I was an idiot . To

40:37

me back then it was like I don't care , I saw what I saw . Yeah

40:40

, I can't unsee it . I know there's something

40:42

there . I'll be , I'll be dumb enough

40:44

to chase the penny , yeah

40:47

, and which is

40:49

probably also why I've done so damn many certs yeah

40:51

, because I see something . I'm like , oh my gosh , that's that

40:54

, that's the thing , yeah . And then you get in

40:56

and it's like well , it's got some good stuff , but

40:58

it's not the end , I'll be all nope , there's the new

41:00

one , there's the new one . But anyways

41:02

, with the ARP , um , you

41:06

can buy them as an

41:08

individual . The

41:10

problem is is the education , for it

41:12

Is extremely limited and

41:15

the way that ARP operates is they essentially

41:18

hold you hostage to . They

41:21

have all the knowledge you need them , because

41:23

you couldn't possibly operate the machine without

41:26

it . Yeah , and once I understood

41:28

how the machine worked because it also

41:30

works on Meridians of

41:32

the body , yeah , which , for those that don't

41:34

understand what meridians are in Chinese

41:36

medicine or in acupuncture , which is that's

41:38

it . There's channels of energy in the body

41:41

which operates

41:43

on the fascial planes and the

41:45

ARP responds to the fascial

41:47

Deficiencies . Also , got

41:49

you . So I

41:52

do believe that there will be , at

41:56

some point , products that individuals can

41:58

purchase . Yeah , um , it's

42:01

just gonna take a while , because I know in 07 , the original

42:03

Thera stim , which was then later Remain

42:06

to ARP , in 07 , that patent

42:09

expired , gotcha , and

42:11

a lot of people Bought the ARPs

42:13

, reverse engineered , copied , brought

42:15

to market . Uh , there's been quite

42:18

a few that have come and gone . Sense

42:20

, yeah , but

42:22

it's out there . You just got to dig

42:24

a little bit , you got to be patient . You can

42:26

find them in NFL locker rooms . Yeah , but

42:28

that's . You go into the pro level in the highest

42:31

of the high and you

42:33

see Stuff

42:35

that you've never seen before . Yeah , like

42:37

the hologram that you're wearing . Yeah , you

42:40

know that's . I've seen a couple NFL guys

42:42

that are wearing Different holograms

42:44

. Now , they may not have got them from me , because

42:47

I have that there's another little voodoo thing

42:49

but they have them and they're

42:51

looking for any edge that they can get . Yeah

42:53

, but they also have to do

42:55

it from a legality standpoint , because

42:57

you couldn't walk around the locker room going that's

43:00

a red flag . Someone from the front

43:02

office is going to come in and say , oh , we want

43:04

to test you , but

43:07

anyways , that's the art

43:09

Cool .

43:10

Yeah , I thought it was really interesting and obviously

43:13

it's working because there's a ton of athletes coming in that

43:15

want to hop on it , so they're

43:18

feeling better . You did my leg

43:20

yesterday and I still feel like my

43:23

foot on my Achilles side , my big toe

43:26

, is firing better , like I feel like that it

43:28

feels better than it did before . So

43:31

it's really interesting and I think it's really

43:33

cool how you blended all these different things together

43:35

and obviously athletes are getting great

43:37

results . And last point

43:40

was this is totally swinging it back

43:42

, but you just showed me some pictures this morning

43:44

of like it even kind of blew

43:46

my mind on how

43:49

much muscle some of these athletes you're working

43:51

with are putting on . You know , three months

43:53

, four months , five months but

43:55

they're not doing what you would think puts on muscle

43:58

Right Like you would walk , and if you would walk in

44:00

here you would see the guy

44:02

people doing stuff and you might be like , oh , that's like

44:04

if you kind of got it , you'd be like , okay , this

44:06

is going to carry over the field , they're going to be moving faster and

44:08

be running fast . This is good stuff . But

44:11

then to think like , oh , they're also going to put

44:13

on 15 , 20 , 30 pounds of muscle

44:15

doing this stuff . That kind of blew

44:17

my mind Like , yeah , I

44:19

mean maybe you can speak to that a little bit , but like the

44:22

transformations that you just showed me were

44:25

kind of like better than what I probably

44:27

would get doing bodybuilding with athletes , yeah

44:29

it's kind of nuts , it's wild .

44:31

And that was another thing

44:33

. That . And I don't

44:35

believe there's a lot of literature on

44:37

long duration isometrics

44:40

. I think in the industry most that

44:42

do , isometrics cap it at like

44:44

30 seconds at the most . We're

44:47

like F , that we're going five minutes . Yeah

44:49

, and apparently the Italians

44:52

found that when they were doing long

44:54

duration isos you

44:56

got to a spot where a minute 30 , you

44:58

kind of hit a benchmark . Three

45:01

minutes you hit a benchmark , and

45:03

then five minutes you hit a super compensatory

45:05

benchmark . And I'm

45:08

not saying one rep exclusively

45:10

for five minutes , what I'm saying is

45:12

time under tension . For five

45:14

minutes you're obviously going to have breaks

45:16

because your , your pyruvate is going to

45:18

get through the roof , the muscle is going to heat up

45:20

, it's going to shut down , so you have to use O2

45:23

to recover , blah , blah , blah . But

45:26

the thing is is that you

45:28

get to that five minute mark and

45:30

the body is forced to , because

45:33

of the demand , create more IGF

45:35

one . And through that

45:37

that's where I mean all those dudes have

45:39

that . Just they look rocked out , yeah

45:42

, but they're flying , they're healthy

45:44

. And then

45:46

when we go into , like the traditional setting

45:48

and teams are going okay , well , let's get a , we

45:50

got to get marks on you and they're blowing

45:52

their lifts through the roof but they haven't touched

45:54

a bar . It's crazy . But

45:57

I would say that for

45:59

, let's say , the basic athlete

46:02

that comes in from your

46:04

traditional high school program where it's

46:07

bench squat clean . If

46:09

they deep dive to what they're we're doing , their

46:12

lifts go back up like through the

46:14

roof in that traditional setting . If

46:17

they kind of go , well , I like it . It's

46:19

something different and

46:21

they're kind of like one foot in , one foot out . They

46:23

just kind of waffle and they they

46:26

plateau at the same rate that they normally would in

46:28

the traditional setting .

46:29

Yeah , yeah , that makes

46:31

sense . And because Mitch was a good example

46:34

to actually told me that . You know , he trained with you all of

46:36

high school and really touched

46:38

cleans and you were like when you get there

46:40

, it'll make sense . And he , he shows up

46:42

to the way room and college setting is

46:44

asked to do cleans and he's lifting

46:46

more weight than a lot of guys there as like a

46:48

pretty small dude and he was just

46:51

clicked for him Like , yeah , that makes sense , cause

46:53

he kind of dove into it and had never done

46:55

that before but was able to lift

46:57

more weight than a lot of the guys been doing their whole lives . Yeah

46:59

.

47:01

So so that reminds me . So

47:05

what we were also doing with

47:07

calculating forces dropping

47:09

off of a box is

47:11

basically the

47:13

. The rule of thumb was every six inches you

47:15

double your weight in force . Yeah

47:18

, and that can be dictated on how fast you stop or

47:20

how slow you stop . But I never

47:23

really had a tool up until we started using the

47:25

Hawken to figure out are

47:27

we even close ? Yeah , so

47:29

let's assume that we were wrong . If that was

47:31

our benchmark , then our benchmark

47:34

was consistent through everyone that

47:36

we were using . Once

47:38

we use the Hawken . We then saw okay , we're

47:41

actually pretty close to those calculations . Give

47:43

or take four to maybe 500

47:45

pounds of force , yeah , but

47:47

I mean , if you're dropping , you know , a 200 pound

47:49

athlete off of a 42 inch box , is

47:53

that 500 pounds really making that much difference

47:55

? If it's 3000 pounds of force , I

47:57

don't know . Yeah , I don't know if

47:59

that could based on how they're landing . But I mean

48:01

, that's just going back to

48:03

more of like how I would kind

48:06

of think of things . That

48:08

was my , those were my KPIs

48:10

, before I even knew what KPIs were .

48:12

Yeah , it's awesome and

48:14

I wanted to mention too , for those that don't know , like another

48:17

benefit of this isometric training too is

48:19

tendon and ligament health

48:21

Big time Right , and

48:23

that's obviously those are the big injuries and the slowest healing injuries

48:26

, and I

48:28

mean a lot of science on that

48:31

, a lot of data on that you can look at

48:33

is , like , that's well known in all , basically

48:36

across all industries . That , like the isometric action

48:38

is how you heal and lengthen

48:40

and strengthen tendons and

48:42

whatnot . So you're

48:44

getting both you know , you're getting

48:46

both of that , like you're getting work on both

48:49

sides of that spectrum , and

48:52

that's missed a lot in a lot of programs

48:54

and there's a lot of people with a lot of athletes that

48:56

have injuries or things that don't go

48:58

away , whether they're acute or not

49:00

, you know . So it

49:03

seems like you're a pretty healthy population athletes

49:05

here and they're all moving pretty well and I've

49:07

just been kind of watching out in the weight room and so

49:10

it's definitely successful . But I appreciate

49:12

you taking the time to , you know

49:14

, host me and let me come out and check out

49:17

all the things you're doing . And you

49:20

know , my goal is to bring

49:22

like something world-class to little Pocatello

49:25

, Idaho small town where I grew up

49:27

, and this is a piece

49:29

of that is coming and learning from people that

49:31

in the industry I see doing a really good job and

49:33

then , like you did , going and finding things

49:35

that work for your population and then putting

49:38

them all together into that formula and you're going to be a big

49:40

part of that . So I appreciate that .

49:42

No , thanks , man , love having you .

49:43

Thanks for being on . If

49:46

you guys want to check out some of our P stuff , definitely

49:49

I'll let them . If I miss anything , go ahead and

49:51

jump in . So we have the new athlete Instagram

49:53

, and then I don't

49:55

know if you do anything on any other platforms . Twitter

49:58

is the new athlete .

49:59

Okay , and then newathletecom

50:01

Okay , and I think our

50:03

TikTok is the new athlete . Okay

50:07

.

50:07

Yep , so put that in the Analyst platforms . I

50:09

definitely recommend going to Fallon . They put a ton of good stuff out

50:11

on Instagram . Maybe

50:13

we can get RP to start his own podcast and

50:15

share some of the knowledge . You know whether

50:18

it's a course down the road . I

50:20

think it could be in the works . But again

50:22

, appreciate having on and thanks for listening guys

50:24

.