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Welcome to Hapae Kaewa

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Podcast with Jun Senesak,

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Episode 470! Hey,

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what's going on everyone? Jun here with

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Hapae Kaewa. I'm excited

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to welcome Nobu Yamada in today's interview.

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He has been teaching English for

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over 20 years, helping students of

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all ages and backgrounds, from little

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kids to adults, business professionals, and

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fellow English instructors. You

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might have heard of his best-selling book series, 죰가구에고했도

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있어에에에고, which has been the top seller for the past 10 years. In

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today's interview, we will cover a range

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of topics. We will start

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with his unique upbringing and how he

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became a bilingual speaker. Then,

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we will talk about choosing your own

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path versus the one laid out for you.

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Why you don't have to speak English like a

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native speaker, whether English

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learned in Japanese middle school is enough to

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converse in English, and a

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very effective method to become a

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good English speaker and think in

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English without having a conversation partner.

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Through my conversation with Nobu, I discovered

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that we shared a deep passion for

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teaching English to Japanese learners. As

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an English learner, I'm confident that you

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will find plenty of valuable insights in

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our conversation. Thank

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you for watching. If

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you have any questions, please leave them

1:57

in the comments. I

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hope you enjoy my conversation with Nobu

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Yamada. Hey

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Nobu, what's going on? How are you doing today? Hey,

2:43

how's it going Jim? Thanks so much for having

2:45

me on your show. I'm

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super excited to have you. I've

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heard a lot about you, not

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only from my English learners who

2:54

follow me on Hapa e Kaiba,

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but I think what stands out

2:59

to me more than anything else

3:01

is that a lot

3:03

of people who teach

3:05

English in Japan have always

3:07

said to me, you

3:09

have to connect with Nobu because I

3:11

feel like you guys have a lot

3:13

in common. Yeah. And that

3:15

was, you know, about four or five years

3:17

ago when I was living in Japan. So

3:22

it's been a long time coming. I feel like

3:25

we are finally here. It took me four or

3:27

five years to finally get the courage to reach

3:29

out to you and be like, hey, let's

3:32

make this podcast happen. So

3:34

we were having this chat before, you know,

3:37

starting this interview and it's like right off the

3:39

bat, it felt like

3:41

I've known you years now. So

3:45

definitely I'm very happy to

3:47

finally connect. I've

3:49

known your stuff for a while too.

3:51

I was always very impressed and I

3:53

liked your stuff. What I found very

3:55

kind of what

3:58

I really liked about your stuff is that you...

4:00

You're very always, I

4:03

think it was your kindness basically towards

4:05

your students. Just like trying

4:08

to explain concepts very clearly in

4:10

a way that they

4:12

would be able to understand and appreciate

4:15

and I just

4:17

felt you must be like this

4:19

really kind guy. You

4:23

know? That's very funny. Thank

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you. Yeah. It really

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showed in your teaching. In that way, I was

4:29

always hoping that we would have a chance to

4:31

hook up and do something together. So

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now, here we are. Here we are. Yeah.

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Well, thank you very much, Nubai.

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I'm very, very excited to really

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dive deep into our backgrounds and

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really just about English,

4:46

right? So, before

4:48

we get into the interview, to

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my listeners, can you quickly introduce

4:53

yourself so they know who

4:55

you're listening to today? Sure.

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Should I speak in English or in Japanese? Go

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to the leadership. Okay. So,

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briefly in English. Okay. Hey, guys.

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How's it going? My name is Nobu

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Yamada. Please just call me

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Nobu. I'm an English

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teacher and writer. I

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was born and raised in the States,

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but then I moved to Japan for

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college, spent some time there,

5:23

like 20 years there, where I taught

5:25

English to Japanese people and

5:28

published some books. And now,

5:30

from three years ago, I'm back in

5:33

the United States with my family. And

5:36

yeah, that's kind of where I am now. Gotcha.

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Nobu-san, American-y, I'm a little bit nervous.

5:43

I'm a little bit nervous. I'm

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a little bit nervous. I

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also saw that with the Japanese production

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of the American and

6:37

American Wells since then in rankings of which

6:39

Washington Public District,

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which has purely Championship and

6:56

American staff explicitly

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and this is the only one Americans

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are getting off the Help Now

7:11

I think of the world of the Chinese Right

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now I created an international te supper

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on the internet for most of those

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stores and their

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offices in rag founders Kill-

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After keeping that customer in

7:40

Korea I find this very important Presidential because

7:43

right now we

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are creating a nightmare We

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call ourselvesview- I

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think We are producing a vanilla So

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buy them a I

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also wanted to learn… I

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can only take one of those from my classes but

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at one point I never learned it I

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would have to dance on a really nice

8:41

level but there's no

8:43

difference mismatch today I

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would choose American spoken Spanish because I

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went to Puerto Rico up in America

8:55

first move was Indiaian After

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my indistinctive event

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on Showtime I

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never had to I

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took time to see my own friend

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and son heartless friend Now

9:18

overcome my

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bad I

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grew up seeing the family

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No we cannot ;) the

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seems so uncult Gutierrez produce

10:50

You know what she didn't know this guy, can you tell me

10:52

a little bit more Does that

10:54

say something else? this

10:58

australian name, we've been a little

11:06

headed-back basically you

11:14

know, many Deathr factor USJ

11:17

Emile I

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actually like these pesky names I

11:28

likeStar and the Nick

11:33

called Janet I

11:37

just wanted to cos Crass and

11:40

I would like it as well but

11:47

also kind of before

11:50

we even go with your

11:54

example I'd

11:59

love it too and I went

12:02

on an 43 journey course and I

12:04

had to work on a family arrangement with them

12:06

for real because

12:11

I'm where they started

12:14

to happen and

12:16

I've seen someone make this same instrument

12:20

and they take from home money

12:25

and I didn't really know what I say and

12:31

I remember having myself come from rod to

12:43

America and

12:46

I was like, oh, this is super interesting.

12:48

I don't think I have ever met anybody

12:50

like you before. I mean, I've met a

12:53

lot of people who have grown

12:55

up here in the United States, went

12:58

to Japanese school and English school, but

13:00

most cases, they go to American school

13:02

during the week and then Japanese schools

13:05

on Saturdays. And

13:07

in Japan, they might go to international school. But

13:13

in your case, what you're saying is up

13:16

until elementary school, you went to

13:18

an American school, just a public

13:20

American school. And then in middle

13:22

school, you went to a full-time

13:24

Japanese school, like a private Japanese

13:26

school. And

13:29

then in high school, you switched on over

13:31

to a bilingual high school, like an international

13:33

school, in a sense, I guess. Keio

13:38

Academy of New York, I'm not sure

13:40

if you know. There's an affiliated high

13:42

school. Not many people

13:44

actually know this. So there's

13:47

a high school of Keio in

13:49

New York. Wow. So yeah.

13:53

That's where I went. So for

13:55

me, I was also born

13:57

and raised here in the US. But. It's

14:01

almost flipped.

14:03

I went to a full-time Japanese

14:05

school in elementary school from Oh

14:08

really? to fourth grade. It was

14:10

called Kokusai Gakuen at the time

14:12

and Okay. During then

14:15

a lot of the chuzais were coming

14:17

from Japan Lived in

14:20

the Torrance area where Toyota

14:22

was running their Okay,

14:24

I see. before moving to Texas and

14:28

The way of thinking at the time

14:31

was not to send your kids to

14:33

American school They wanted to make sure

14:35

that even though they were here in

14:37

the US the kids were getting the

14:40

same kind of education They were getting

14:42

in Japan so that after

14:44

three to five years when they do

14:46

go back to Japan they can Take

14:49

the entrance exams to the middle school

14:51

or high school without missing a beat

14:54

without falling behind with

14:56

any other kids so many of

14:58

the chuzais used to send their

15:00

kids to a full-time Japanese school

15:02

instead of Sending them

15:04

to an American school So I

15:06

attended that Japanese school until I

15:08

was in fourth grade and then

15:10

at fourth grade I attended a

15:12

public American school and once a

15:14

week I went to Japanese school

15:16

called Asahigakuen as a hoshiko all

15:18

the way until I graduated middle

15:21

school. Oh, that's very

15:23

interesting I'm curious

15:25

to know why you made

15:27

that switch. I guess it was your

15:29

parents decision, but what Why

15:32

switch over at? Great.

15:34

That's a great question. And you know, like

15:36

you mentioned it was not my decision If

15:40

anything, I that was the first time

15:42

in my life. I really really through

15:47

a fit and yelled

15:49

at my parents saying I am not really

15:51

American school because I am already like at

15:53

that point I really That

15:56

I was Japanese But

15:59

my mom spoke with

16:01

a few of the teachers

16:03

at the Japanese school and

16:05

her real direct question

16:07

was What

16:10

age do my kids have to

16:12

go? to Japanese

16:14

school to understand the basics of

16:16

the Japanese language like he'd I

16:18

got my katakana and especially kanji

16:21

and the Kokugo sensei

16:23

the tanto sensei at the time

16:25

says if your son Goes

16:29

to Japanese school until fourth grade He

16:31

will have a good foundation of

16:34

the kanji that you need in

16:36

everyday language and My

16:38

mom just took it as

16:40

it is. Okay. Well then fourth grade

16:42

it is and so after fourth grade

16:45

she pulled me out of Japanese school and I

16:49

Went on to American school. I see I

16:51

don't know I guess true it is but

16:53

yeah, well, it does make sense Yeah, I

16:55

guess so your parents just saw you guys

16:59

Just continuing living in the

17:01

States. Whereas there was I guess no

17:03

thought of moving to Japan or anything

17:08

So this yeah So

17:10

go ahead. Sorry. No, no, no go

17:12

ahead. Sorry. Okay. Yeah So yeah, and

17:14

that was my dad's mindset and my

17:16

mom's mindset too was a we they

17:18

had no plans I'm ever moving back

17:20

to Japan So when

17:22

my dad who was the one that

17:25

actually Suggested to my

17:27

mom we could put our kids into

17:29

Japanese school first because

17:31

he knew that we were planning on

17:33

living in the US for the long

17:35

term and English

17:38

will come along as long as we

17:40

live here But Japanese is

17:42

one of those languages where if

17:44

we don't start young and educate

17:47

them properly at school They

17:49

will never be able to speak

17:51

read write or understand it. So

17:53

my dad Really

17:55

pushed for it and I know funny

17:58

story is that when I was around

18:00

third or fourth grade, you could

18:03

barely communicate with my dad. I

18:05

couldn't speak any English. Yeah. Oh,

18:07

okay. So sometimes I would have

18:09

to have my mom be the

18:11

translator. I

18:30

mean, one of the things I

18:32

was very, I was always kind

18:34

of curious and impressed about you

18:37

watching your YouTube videos and your

18:39

other stuff and even your writing.

18:42

Your Japanese is very

18:45

solid. And

18:47

the reason I say this is because

18:50

having grown up in the States, I

18:53

was always very conscious about my

18:56

Japanese or my lack of

18:58

ability in Japanese. And

19:02

so whenever

19:05

I saw your writing, I was like, wow, Junusan

19:08

really has a good command of the

19:10

nuances and the Japanese language. And I

19:12

was wondering how you

19:14

got that because I knew

19:16

you grew up in the States in LA and

19:19

I knew you spent some time as an adult

19:21

in Japan, but is that really

19:23

enough to take

19:26

you where you are? So I was like, now

19:28

that I know that

19:30

you spent your elementary

19:33

school first three or four years in a Japanese

19:35

school, it makes a lot of sense. And I

19:37

think that was a great

19:39

decision on your part. Yeah.

19:42

Now, I have all

19:45

my appreciation goes to my parents. And this

19:47

is like one of those things when you're

19:49

in middle school and I have to go

19:52

to Saturday school and continue. I

19:54

hated it. And I was like, I don't want to

19:56

go to Japanese school, mom. You know, none of my

19:59

friends go to Japanese. Everybody's playing and I

20:01

have a basketball game that I have to

20:03

miss because I have to go and I

20:05

used to just Really give them a hard

20:07

time. It's been like seventh or eighth grade

20:09

when oh really point I was like, I

20:12

don't want to study Japanese anymore because now

20:14

I'm an American kid, you know So I

20:16

kind of went like this weird transition But

20:18

my parents pushed me and they're

20:20

like you have to graduate middle school

20:22

and now looking back at it It'll

20:30

work I

21:30

love thisé Right,

21:41

right This

22:00

is like a whole other episode

22:02

we can get into about like

22:04

maybe what it's like to grow

22:06

up, where you like

22:08

grow up in multiple education systems

22:10

and there's like the language aspect

22:12

is a culture aspect. There's

22:15

you know, you aspect as a

22:17

person trying to identify who you

22:19

are. I mean, this is

22:21

a topic we could really dive deep

22:23

into, but it would be like a 10 hour episode.

22:27

But you've been teaching English for well over

22:29

20 years now, right? I

22:40

hated it when people said that because

22:42

I didn't know what I

22:45

wanted to

22:47

do. And

23:09

I felt like I had no options at

23:11

all, but everyone kept saying, I hated it.

23:17

Anyway, I'm digressing here a little

23:19

bit. Nothing

24:01

whatsoever. Whatever

24:07

you like. Let's

24:09

built it back now I hope you gotta walk with me. While

24:13

I'm in eerie okay. All

24:18

right. I'm bring to suggest to

24:20

you. aged

24:23

me but it's for thee. Third theory answer. Ok

24:26

I forgot to weep I was saying it's Take a look. I

24:29

decided to show myself what I would love

24:31

to. And

24:34

listen to this about my tone. As

24:38

a man who deals with hot things there are atmosphere such

24:40

as hot like this locker So

24:44

the beach mouth is sort of taking advantage

24:46

of most of this element Send

24:51

it into your house. Please

24:54

do not feel like watching this video

24:56

if you have good memories.

24:59

Isn't it a perfect connection

25:02

from where doing so? For most people

25:04

hanging out with us on

25:06

t Marian, but

25:10

IOH think there also is only cause

25:12

for nearby eventsants. ectf

25:19

IOH had always kept seeing somewhere that also

25:21

occurs in the Lights. During

25:24

the individual process, And

25:30

in fact individuals, Who

25:32

are already credentials for you, Are

25:35

always individuals of interest. And

25:38

they writing kind of part of the clothes

25:40

which might be contemporary for yourself and others.

25:47

and it looks like Apollo 6 looks like this.

25:50

And it looks like it looks like he was jolting up

25:52

with the That was the most common situation

25:54

in Two days. And there's no reason to

25:56

admit that about that. This

25:58

is actually known as the ysn. It's

26:01

not really true though but

26:04

I have a friend

26:44

who most

27:42

important decision I've made in my life

27:46

which is to center my

27:48

life around my

27:51

authentic self and to be true

27:53

to that and to have the courage to be

27:56

true to that. So yeah I'm

27:58

very, I don't know where I got that But yeah,

28:00

that's what I came to. That's what

28:03

I did and yeah, I

28:05

mean it wasn't an easy road. I

28:08

was basically broke. Of course,

28:10

yeah. I was broke

28:13

and like all my friends working

28:15

at these fancy companies, they would

28:17

start buying these fancy

28:19

cars, going out to eat

28:22

at these fancy restaurants, whereas I

28:24

didn't even get a credit card.

28:26

I would never forget.

28:28

I applied finally like 24 or 25.

28:31

I applied for my first credit card

28:33

and I was rejected. Sorry,

28:37

we can't extend you this card.

28:40

And I was like, wow, just

28:42

like no social credibility where I'm at

28:45

right now. But that's part

28:47

of it. I didn't really pick

28:49

personally. I mean, it was kind

28:51

of mildly shocking, but that's

28:53

life. So it

28:55

wasn't easy, but I'm just very happy

28:57

that I stuck with

29:00

that central

29:02

mission or

29:06

just trying to stay true. Yeah,

29:09

and that takes a lot of courage.

29:11

It takes a lot of persistence and

29:13

takes a lot of belief in yourself

29:16

that you think things

29:18

are going to work out in your favor.

29:20

And I can't help but wonder if

29:24

your background of growing

29:28

up in the United States

29:30

and going to an American

29:32

school up until elementary

29:35

school made

29:37

a difference in why

29:40

you made that decision. Because I

29:42

know that there is a lot

29:44

of societal pressure in Japan after

29:46

graduating from college to land a

29:49

good job. It's kind of like

29:51

a pathway that you get put

29:53

on. And When you

29:55

just live in Japan, this is

29:57

Atari-ma. You Don't really question that.

30:00

You. Can go off this track.

30:02

didn't do things on your own. You know

30:04

you worked so hard to get into

30:06

a good high school and you work

30:08

so hard to get into a good

30:10

college. And then you finally get an

30:12

opportunity to work for a company where

30:14

everybody is a. Are

30:17

you stupid warranty taking this? I mean,

30:19

as his was, the last twenty years

30:21

of your life is all about. And

30:24

for you to say. This

30:26

is his mouth for me. I'm I'm that

30:28

of my my own path. Do you think.

30:31

Your. Upbringing living in the

30:33

United States like your mental

30:35

state. Of me being

30:37

a little this american in that sense

30:40

playing the role in the decision you

30:42

made. I think

30:44

so. Definitely one thing I

30:46

find about. American

30:48

culture and what I appreciate about.

30:51

Of American culture And this way of thinking is

30:53

that I'm. You. Know. Americans

30:58

tend to think. We. Can

31:00

do it and maybe we not sure

31:02

how we can do it yet but

31:04

we can. Be when we will

31:07

find a way that's kinda like the

31:09

general spirit that. Americans tend

31:11

to have read and I think

31:13

that I. Grew

31:16

up and of developing that kind

31:18

of mindset. naturally them. By.

31:20

See a positive. Thinking man's

31:22

it, But I'm just like Tennessee.

31:25

The. Possibilities? Yeah, I'm focusing on

31:27

the possibilities whereas rather than the

31:29

risks or. How things

31:32

michael around without. A

31:34

passing definitely played a big role

31:36

in my. Funny.

31:40

Saying. No less, let's do

31:42

it. Let's see how it goes.

31:44

Yeah, I'm pretty Sri Lanka when

31:46

you're living in Japan and you

31:49

told your friends nj people of

31:51

course around you about the decision

31:53

that you were amazing Be probably

31:55

thought that one either you or

31:57

crazy or choose their lives. Yeah.

32:00

People are looking after you, they

32:02

are suchwire How

32:05

much is liking CMS? An

32:08

item in theK So, we

32:10

are waiting for financial support Our

32:13

goal is to assemble these items when

32:16

I givearken I

32:19

will buy a costume coaster It

32:22

could be mine It's mycing

32:27

Somebody has to crop So, I have made a

32:29

decision I have made the decision To

32:33

make these items Isn't

32:37

it interesting? I

32:39

am releasing the vocals We do

32:41

eight diegos And I also have to place

32:43

them So

32:47

it means the time to ask out

32:56

At the 90's I will be

32:58

bringing my Show to the

33:00

90's And I can also place theirs

33:03

at Hall of Fame And

33:05

at the 90's we can

33:07

have some opportunities

33:17

to make this item simply

33:20

because it is

33:22

not efficient So, do you

33:25

mean conventional Relay

33:27

objects? I

33:30

am just saying to one person that today's dog

33:32

him, an old gal that who viewers have

33:36

already got a cat who has passed

33:38

back to the

33:41

depth of the original bagla

33:44

but now, is it being

33:46

distanced? how do people pronounce it because

33:48

a real you

33:52

only have one path to taste, right? think

34:00

the older you get the more you

34:02

realize there are millions

34:04

of paths you can

34:06

take and the path of

34:09

working for a company is just

34:11

one option of the hundreds

34:14

that you can choose from

34:17

and the fact that many

34:19

people don't see that to me

34:21

feels a bit multinite. You know

34:24

what I'm saying? No, no, exactly.

34:26

I think that's why as a

34:29

teacher one of my kind of philosophies

34:31

I guess you would say is I

34:37

try to encourage my

34:39

students to whenever even when they're

34:41

speaking or writing an essay you

34:43

know they're expressing themselves. I don't

34:45

care if they use like

34:47

these fancy idioms or you know whatever it's

34:49

for me it's more about expressing

34:52

what they truly feel or

34:54

what they really want to do or like

34:57

it's about them again

35:00

being true to who

35:02

they really are and like not being afraid

35:04

to say that. So

35:07

I often encourage

35:09

my students to express

35:12

their true selves like and I think

35:14

that comes from this feeling that that's

35:17

how I arrived here

35:21

and the reason why I'm teaching you right

35:23

now today is because I

35:25

stuck with who I was and

35:28

it I think it's very important for

35:30

you know just

35:32

like having a very meaningful

35:34

and fulfilling life and

35:37

so I think I want

35:39

to especially because how in Japan we kind

35:42

of you know people don't

35:44

always aren't always um that

35:46

option is not always available to them

35:49

that way of thinking just because as

35:51

you mentioned we have this kind of

35:53

um track that is set so

35:55

I think I'm here to try to kind of like you

35:57

know gently them

36:00

to see that that's not the only way that you

36:04

know who

36:07

what's your real self like and

36:09

trying to like assure

36:11

them that it's okay to be that person

36:13

yeah because I think it could open up

36:15

a lot of new doors in

36:17

life and

36:19

I want to touch on that point a

36:22

little bit more and dive deeper into it

36:24

because I am probably on the exact same

36:26

page as you in terms of that is

36:29

a new button we'll get in the scott

36:32

up right and when you're learning a language

36:35

you know you want to use expressions

36:38

that you learn from your teacher or

36:40

from school from any YouTube videos you

36:42

want to use expressions

36:44

that make you sound like a

36:46

native speaker you want to use

36:49

idioms because you know it makes

36:51

you sound like a better speaker

36:54

but the question comes down to

36:56

is is that what you

36:59

really want to say is that what you

37:01

really feel are you using that expression just

37:03

to use it right yeah are you are

37:06

there other things that you really want

37:08

to say and maybe the way you

37:10

express it might sound

37:12

like quote unquote Japanese English

37:15

where maybe they're a little

37:17

bit nervous right so it's

37:19

always better to use expressions

37:30

that maybe American people use

37:32

or Australian people use the

37:34

coolest thing

37:38

about communicating with people from around

37:40

the world is that

37:42

they express same

37:45

thing in a different way

37:49

no you can't you're a man of

37:51

the war on the meno mano coteer

37:53

on magic auto co you you're gonna

37:55

scott or soon that do you know

37:58

that it's refreshing it's something that I

38:00

don't get and that's what I love

38:02

about language right? because

41:31

sometimes IOSHK

42:01

Exactly. Because I think what ends

42:03

up happening in a lot of

42:05

cases is that you

42:08

express yourself using a

42:11

certain expression and

42:13

then you wonder what

42:17

do other people think about the word

42:19

that I just used. Right. So that's

42:22

where the focus is. It's not about

42:24

how do I

42:26

feel. It's more about what

42:28

do other people think about the

42:30

word that I used right now.

42:33

And when you really look

42:35

at the core of communication, people

42:38

don't really care that much about

42:40

the word that you use. You

42:42

know, we are using so many

42:44

words in a sentence. It's very

42:47

hard to pinpoint just one word that

42:49

you use every single time. And

42:52

the essence of communication really

42:54

is about learning how to

42:56

express yourself. And if there

42:58

is a word out there

43:00

that you learn that really,

43:02

really aligns with how you

43:04

are feeling, you should use it.

43:06

But you shouldn't like use the word just

43:09

so that you sound

43:11

cool or you sound like a

43:13

native English speaker because now you're

43:16

just waiting for outside appraisal and

43:18

outside approval of your English language.

43:20

And if you play that game,

43:23

you will never win because there

43:26

is always going to be somebody

43:28

out there that is going to

43:30

criticize your English ability. Right. And

43:32

that's why it always has to

43:34

start within like you said. Maybe

43:38

put one more point to this.

43:40

I think one of the major

43:42

reasons why a lot

43:45

of students feel this way

43:47

is because in

43:49

most cases, especially people

43:52

who Japanese people who live in

43:54

Japan, the only real

43:56

opportunity they get to speak English

43:58

is through a. lessons,

44:00

whether that's online lessons or going

44:03

to an ekailas school. And

44:05

when you speak English to a tutor

44:08

or an English teacher, their

44:10

job is to fix your English.

44:12

Their job is to provide you

44:14

with feedback. Their job is to

44:16

give you alternate expressions

44:18

to make you sound like a

44:21

better speaker. And that is why

44:23

you pay money is because they

44:26

provide you with feedback. But

44:29

when you step outside of a

44:31

school and you live in another country

44:33

or you go out and you mingle

44:36

with friends from all over the

44:38

world, nobody

44:40

provides feedback. As a

44:42

matter of fact, nobody even really cares,

44:44

you know, if you're making grammata mistakes

44:46

here and there. But if you are,

44:49

if you only put yourself in a

44:51

situation where you are constantly

44:54

getting feedback from teachers, then

44:56

you think that's what English,

44:59

speaking English is all about, is that

45:01

you speak English, you get correction, you

45:03

speak English, you get correction. But

45:06

you have to break out of it. And

45:08

once you step outside of the school setting

45:10

and you meet people and you talk to

45:12

people, in the beginning, you

45:14

worry, you're like, I wonder if he or

45:17

she understood me. I wonder if the language

45:19

I used was okay. But

45:21

then the longer you hang out with people,

45:24

the more you realize, oh,

45:27

it doesn't really matter. Like what's

45:29

important is to communicate with people.

45:31

So I always try to encourage

45:34

my students to step out of

45:36

the school setting and just go

45:38

talk to people. And

45:40

that's the beauty of living in LA

45:43

or New York or any international city

45:45

is you meet

45:47

so many people from so many different

45:49

parts of the world with so many

45:52

different types of accents. And sometimes

45:54

I can hardly understand what

45:56

they're saying really staying with so much

45:59

confidence and. They're expressing certain things

46:01

that we never do as Americans, but

46:04

nobody cares. I mean, we're here in

46:06

the United States and we are just

46:09

having a good time trying to communicate

46:11

with each other, you know? And... Exactly.

46:14

That's a great way to put it. That's

46:17

a great way to put it. I like

46:19

how you said that we're just here having

46:22

a good time communicating.

46:25

That really is the essence. I

46:29

don't want people to get the wrong

46:31

impression that... Ah, I don't want people to get the

46:33

wrong impression that... That's not a good... The

46:37

aim is to communicate. So if

46:39

there are certain rules, obviously that

46:41

you have to follow that grammatical

46:43

rule. You can't just suddenly

46:46

talk in the Japanese language

46:49

order. So there are basic rules

46:51

that you just have to follow to communicate.

46:54

But I want

46:56

to just assure our audience that...

47:05

So... ...if there is communication, then

47:07

you can communicate with each other. If

47:09

there is communication, then you can communicate with each

47:11

other. So... Just

47:17

have fun communicating. Yes. And

47:19

following up on that... Of

47:32

course you need foundation. You have to

47:34

be able to... You know... Structure

47:37

sentences and string words together so that

47:39

people understand. You can't just be like...

47:42

Water or like... Food or like... Of

47:46

course you will be understood, but there

47:48

is going to be a bit of

47:51

a miscommunication happening. So you definitely want

47:53

to set a good foundation. And speaking

47:55

of foundation, Nobu, I know that is

47:57

something that... is

48:00

kind of like your bread and butter. You really

48:03

have made an emphasis through

48:06

your teaching that chu-gaku de

48:08

manabu eigo, saki de mo,

48:10

keiko komuniki shote, toden usu-su-su.

48:13

And have best sellers based

48:15

on how to properly use

48:19

chu-gaku eigo. So I wanna kind of

48:21

get into this whole like chu-gaku eigo

48:23

topic. Sure, yeah. Ji-san

48:25

ya pari, ma chu-gaku se,

48:27

ni hongori tochuu, ichi ni

48:29

sanko. Nesan-en-kon. No chu-gaku

48:32

de manabu eigo. Kori?

48:35

Shikiri? Osaite poke

48:37

ba, yeponichi-jou kai wa

48:40

de su-you, su-ru nai-yo

48:42

landiska. Yeah, definitely.

48:45

Tsu-yoshima. Tokunae, American ikite

48:47

kara wa mokakushin

48:50

stemasu. Chugaku eigo

48:52

no, beis. Machu-ga kego to, masukunae, prasu

48:54

aru-fa. Chugaku eigo sumo to the o-yoshite

48:56

kou kankaku. The... ...sakurumo

48:59

honten-chuu shin-pu na eigo-wo. Ryu-chon-i.

49:04

Hat-to-ko. Ryu-chon-i o-yo-de-kiru.

49:07

Do you know that? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm

49:09

not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

49:11

I'm not sure. But, kai

49:13

wa te kangaita takini, a

49:16

no futatsu no suki-rega te kai wa te...

49:20

...hara-su. ...kakuno. ...baratututu

49:23

tohashi-ntou. ...suki-ryoumenou.

49:26

...bikai. ...impuste kega aru-chanai-dessuka.

49:28

...dekon-ryou-ho. ...shio-dessi-onne kai

49:30

wa te. ...kiku-kutamu. ...arushi

49:32

hara-suki-ryou-daishita. ...ryou-ho-daishita. ...kara-ben-kyou-suki-rega-pah.

49:37

...kuno-kustatsu-beetsun-oski-ruo. ...chandukubetsu-suki-rukutata-daishata-motei.

49:41

...te... ...buku-kudu-chuu-atayu-go-jibun-tiun-no-wa.

49:44

...hara-suki-rukutani-oi-te wa hontoni-yasashi-e-go-de.

49:48

...chan-tosu-dou-jibun-go-motei-rukutatun-tate wa.

49:52

...um... ...dami-tatukusakim-jikoshou-ka-etara. I

49:54

grew up in... ...United

49:57

States until... I

50:00

attended university in Japan and I

50:03

spent 20 years in Japan. I

50:06

started my own business. I met my wife

50:08

and I have two kids now. And

50:11

three years ago, I decided to come back

50:14

to the United States to give my

50:16

family a chance to live

50:18

overseas. And also

50:20

because I wanted to upgrade my

50:24

own skills as an English

50:26

teacher. Before I had my travel

50:28

impairments, I

50:31

used to study classes based

50:33

on different social SAM

50:35

procedures. I kept trying to figure

50:38

out on poems like this whole process and

50:43

I used to do some

50:45

research in boxing and I

50:47

wanted to work in my domain. So

50:49

I have to actually struggle with those

50:52

tasks. So I started at my classes

50:54

because I knew online and

50:56

I worked on a few projects and

51:02

I managed to explore these projects in Japan. Before

51:07

I ErdN custodian I collaborated with code

51:14

from the federal district national

51:16

control committee, the

51:22

state of Japan,

51:25

and the state of Japan.

51:29

I decided to move back to the state 3 years ago because

51:32

I just wanted to have new experiences.

51:34

I also wanted to learn about the experience. I

51:37

started learning about the experience. I

51:41

started learning about the experience. I

51:44

was able to learn about it. I started learning about it.

51:47

I started listening to the people. I

51:51

wanted to learn about me when

51:54

I was in high school today. While

51:59

I taught a littleEar I'm not sure if you can

52:01

speak Japanese or Japanese, but I'm very happy to be

52:03

here. I'm

52:05

very happy to be here. Hi,

52:08

my name is Nobu. I'm

52:11

an English teacher and a writer. I'm very

52:13

happy to be here. I'm

52:16

very happy to be here. I'm

52:19

very happy to be here. I'm

52:21

very happy to be here. Thank you. Thank

52:25

you. That makes a lot

52:27

of sense. It looks very useful in Japanese, because

52:30

I've had to leave for all of these many FileCities like this, and i

52:38

forgot to separate them. no,

52:42

you have to separate the particular category. You

52:46

have to separate them. You have the speaking aspect

52:48

and you have the listening aspect. And of course,

52:50

it's a textbook. and

52:53

their informal way of speaking in a textbook. You

52:55

know, that's the way that a bureaucratic subject makes

52:57

sense. You know, it's just not the way it

52:59

is. But the

53:02

context and the expressions and the

53:04

structure that they provide in the

53:06

book is more than enough for

53:09

you to express yourself in English.

53:11

Right? Yes. And also the English

53:13

that native speakers use is all

53:15

based on the stuff that

53:17

you learn here. It's all just about combining

53:21

different, you know, grammars

53:23

and putting different words

53:26

on top of that grammar. And

53:28

then here and there, you know, native

53:31

speakers will throw in like a phrasal

53:33

verb or ADM. So you just simply,

53:35

you just need to have knowledge of

53:37

those words. Otherwise, you know,

53:39

you just won't know. So those you

53:41

should just like memorize

53:44

basically, you know, whatever way you have, just

53:46

like you just need to know the words.

53:49

But again, simply

53:52

understanding and being

53:55

able to use that yourself through

53:57

different skills. And being able to use

53:59

that, you know, use it yourself is kind of hard. But

54:02

just to know the meaning is not that

54:04

hard actually. It's not that hard. Yeah. So

54:07

just like that's the mindset I want to

54:09

get people in. Like you know,

54:12

just try to have

54:15

knowledge of a wide range of vocabulary. You don't have to

54:17

be able to use it. Just like kind of know what

54:19

it means because it'll help your

54:21

listening immensely or even

54:24

have like a little grasp of what it might mean. So

54:26

yeah, that's just a very practical tip

54:29

that I often give my students. And

54:32

like flexibility too, right? I think

54:34

like sometimes what I do find

54:36

is that there is

54:38

a rule that you learn or

54:40

there's like a response that you

54:42

have to a certain situation and

54:44

it's almost like a rule

54:47

that never changes. Like you must follow

54:49

this rule. For

54:51

example, the classic, you know, the how

54:53

are you, I'm fine, thank you kind

54:55

of response, right? Yeah. I

54:58

mean the truth is I'm fine, thank you

55:00

is really not a bad response. People say

55:02

I'm doing all right. I'm fine. You

55:05

know, that's something that people say all

55:07

the time. It's not a mistake by

55:09

any stretch of the imagination at all.

55:12

And you know, for people to say

55:14

that I'm fine is wrong, that is

55:16

a wrong statement in itself. Right?

55:19

But I think, you know, as an English learner,

55:22

what you do have to understand is that some

55:24

people say I'm fine. Some people say I'm good.

55:26

Some people said I'm doing great. Some people said

55:29

not great. You know, there's going

55:31

to be a million different responses

55:33

to the question, how are you?

55:36

And you don't have to,

55:38

it's not like an answer to

55:40

like a math question where you

55:42

only have one possible solution. And

55:46

having that flexibility and understanding

55:48

that maybe in these types

55:51

of situations, these types of

55:53

responses are more commonly used

55:55

or like in these types

55:57

of like, you

55:59

know, this part of the country or

56:01

this generation will respond using

56:03

this type of language, having

56:06

that flexibility and understanding makes

56:08

a big difference. I

56:12

think to me, when it comes to

56:15

being a native speaker, and I

56:17

think the reason why it's really

56:20

difficult for really a non-native speaker

56:22

to become a native speaker is

56:24

because when you are a native

56:27

speaker, you have the ability to

56:29

change the way you speak depending

56:31

on who your audience is, right?

56:34

And when you learn a language of

56:36

the second language, you are kind

56:38

of learning it one way, one

56:41

pattern from a book, and then

56:43

through experience, you learn variations and

56:45

informal language. But when you grow up

56:48

with the language, if I am speaking

56:50

with somebody that grew up in Los

56:52

Angeles around my age range, the way

56:54

I speak and the language that I

56:56

use is going to be like somebody

56:58

that is from this area. But

57:01

if I am speaking with somebody who is

57:03

from New York that is 20 years older

57:05

than me, then the language that I use

57:08

with that person is going to

57:10

be completely different than somebody that I'm

57:12

speaking to that is around my same

57:14

age. Being like my

57:16

close friends that I grew up since

57:19

high school, if I spoke

57:21

like that in my

57:23

podcast or to you, you guys

57:25

might think I am uneducated. So

57:32

I guess what I'm trying to

57:34

say is when you are a

57:36

native speaker, you have the ability

57:38

to pick and choose the way

57:40

you express yourself because it's

57:43

not a written rule. It's not

57:45

a rule saying like in this

57:47

particular situation, use this language. It's

57:49

through experience. It's through

57:52

talking to somebody knowing that if

57:55

I use this language with this person,

57:57

he will understand.

58:00

understand it a little bit better.

58:02

We will connect at a deeper

58:04

level because language is

58:07

what connects people all together. So,

58:09

just you know, my general thoughts

58:11

on being a native speaker. Yeah.

58:44

Let's say a Duration live that say, I

58:47

am the one who gives me coffee to

58:49

turn me on to

58:52

give me coffee please. Can

58:55

I have a large coffee question. Hi

59:09

everyone, I am Lee, this is

59:11

Rakim Koon from EnYogimi and I think

59:13

you can help us! you

59:16

know before I was birthday, I

59:20

did something where you took over and said, honestly, I

59:23

mean, that is coming in next time.

59:27

Did you take both? Yes, I made some calls

59:29

first You work here.

59:32

ash Pluggy's house take 5 years This place is

59:35

new, and

59:37

you used to earn a lot I get things from here

59:40

and I still work here And the experience I was hearing

59:43

was fast-food, I didn't know how

59:45

the this would work but at the end of May 3, I

59:48

was able to have it with my friends and

59:51

my mom, and every two years,

59:54

I have become interested in making

59:57

this college awesome That's

1:00:00

the beauty

1:00:25

of the language is that everybody

1:00:27

has their own way of speaking.

1:00:30

Coming back to the point of 가아라 마형지 먹 미형지 나시요. 시러

1:00:35

마형지 마형지 나시요. 시러 마형지

1:00:37

마형지 나시요. 나시요 먹 보고도

1:00:39

갈나가 시러가 마형지 나기도 마형지

1:00:42

나시요. 시러 마형지 나시요. 보고도

1:00:44

마형지 나시요. 시러 가지 보가

1:00:46

시러 나시요. 시러 이에마형지

1:00:48

나시요. 마형지 나시요.

1:00:51

마형지 마형지 나시요.

1:00:53

아석 고렄 해리기리리렸있이 있다.

1:00:55

있는 마형지 나시요. 모지는

1:00:58

서렄 사기 먹에어렄 있에에에에에. 나가

1:01:00

있어보드 마형지 나시요. 있는

1:01:04

모지보리렄

1:01:07

있에에에에에에에에에에에.

1:01:10

있되 있게해리렄 가는나시요. 있어요

1:01:13

티아이 안는 다아? 있는 바바도 있어요

1:01:15

어요 티아이 지래지요. 안는

1:01:17

바도 있어요.

1:01:20

어요 하나스시요 있바도 있어요. 있나스요 안바

1:01:23

있어요 있어요. 이있어요

1:01:25

티아이 지다요.

1:01:29

티아이 하도 있바도 있바도 있도 있. 티아이

1:01:33

있나스요. 오거에이 있나스어요.

1:03:00

I'm not sure if it's a good thing

1:03:02

to eat, but I think it's a good thing to

1:03:04

eat. I

1:03:07

don't know. I'm

1:03:09

not sure if it's a good thing to eat, but I think it's

1:03:11

a good thing to eat. Today,

1:03:16

I made curry. The

1:03:21

curry was spicy, but it

1:03:23

was good. I

1:03:27

also had seafood

1:03:30

salad with my curry.

1:03:33

I was happy because the

1:03:36

kids enjoyed it. I

1:03:56

think it's a good thing to eat. He

1:04:00

taught me how to draw that understanding from my background.

1:04:03

This is part of my

1:04:08

study autumn of 20th century. I

1:04:12

am singing and understanding where. Although,

1:04:14

theao insofar there I think

1:04:17

thess representation as all the

1:04:30

the the

1:04:49

oh you

1:06:00

student, he mentioned something that really

1:06:03

made my day. So it

1:06:05

had been one week since I

1:06:08

got them to start this training. So every

1:06:10

day, just in the shower or when they're

1:06:12

driving, whenever. The

1:06:15

point is just not

1:06:18

even think that you're speaking English. Just

1:06:21

say something. And after

1:06:24

a week, so he comes into the lesson

1:06:26

yesterday, and I'm like, hey, how's

1:06:29

it going? You're practicing.

1:06:31

He's like, hey, you know what? Just

1:06:34

this morning, I was driving to work, and I noticed

1:06:38

that I was thinking

1:06:40

about my meeting, and I

1:06:42

was thinking in English what

1:06:44

I was going to say. Before, he would think in Japanese,

1:06:46

but suddenly he's driving. He's like, just

1:06:50

English comes up. Wow. That's amazing.

1:06:54

And why that happened is because

1:06:56

he would

1:06:59

be drinking maybe have

1:07:02

a coffee and then I

1:07:34

would be like, I like it. Today,

1:07:44

I saw that. I

1:07:46

love that man. I

1:07:59

love that man. I think I'm gonna probably

1:08:01

use this

1:08:03

mention of yours and share it with my

1:08:05

followers as well because I feel like it's

1:08:08

amazing Yeah, it's amazing. It's really amazing.

1:08:10

It's it took me 20 years to discover

1:08:12

this And you

1:08:15

know on top of that right when

1:08:17

you start doing this you start realizing

1:08:20

How do you put it able to not be metal dude? And

1:08:23

then now instead of like learning from a

1:08:26

textbook Passively you are

1:08:28

becoming an active learner where

1:08:30

you're like, oh I want to say this

1:08:32

in English But I don't know that English

1:08:34

word Of course You can look it up

1:08:37

on the spot if you want or you could just jot it

1:08:39

down and look it up later And

1:08:41

then you start compiling these lists of

1:08:43

expressions that are Very

1:08:45

specific to you and your lifestyle

1:08:48

that you can use every day

1:08:50

and these are like real

1:08:52

English Expressions that you'll probably

1:08:54

not forget because you

1:08:56

are the one that wanted to know how do

1:08:58

you exactly? That's exactly

1:09:00

right. That's exactly right. And I

1:09:02

mean this is like scientifically proven

1:09:05

as well in linguistics I'll

1:09:07

put the third thought in putin a shiigar that That's

1:09:10

like the principle and that's

1:09:12

precisely because you're you're like in the driver's

1:09:14

seat and you want to know So

1:09:17

whenever you're exposed to

1:09:19

certain expression, you're like, uh-huh. Ah

1:09:21

cool Something you're like active

1:09:24

and that can make all the difference

1:09:28

Oh Nobu there is just still like a million

1:09:30

things I want to ask you but you know,

1:09:32

I think we're winding down with time here A

1:09:34

little bit. I just got two more questions. I

1:09:36

want to ask you that up our session today

1:09:39

I know you're working on a lot of things

1:09:41

right now But in

1:09:43

terms of you personally and professionally

1:09:47

What are some immediate goals that you have, you know,

1:09:49

so key number takes to what shows in Psycho, but

1:09:51

most of the show right in a vision to get

1:09:53

that so, you know, they share a stick with us

1:09:57

Okay, mr. So this is nice Errr...

1:10:22

There should be a New Yorker there in Poker Withrs farmer We

1:10:25

getting there Hopefully,

1:10:28

while folks like to come along No

1:10:31

matter how many, to come we have been able

1:10:33

to lift some people Next

1:10:38

time once we Ivypuh this country Sovereign IzzyIAN

1:10:44

origin and name We

1:10:48

can think because

1:11:03

we were not even lost These

1:12:00

are the stuff that are going on in Ancient

1:12:02

Japan at the time… Do

1:12:07

you know my name of the name of Urikaka? Dear

1:12:12

manga, I have realizes that

1:12:14

For fun, I eat Japan New Age toast and

1:12:17

fire skeleton I

1:12:19

Before I buy things, the move would come back between

1:12:21

when I left the sky and

1:12:26

the rain Bowl Welcome

1:12:30

to Also me Today,

1:12:34

I continue to share the following quote

1:12:39

I agree on your right tolet teens And

1:12:42

this video, I want to sum up I

1:12:45

wants to increase safety on children

1:12:49

Of course, even women of

1:12:51

Thermal I have

1:12:53

been renowned in Nance for very long

1:12:56

time These are my

1:12:58

techniques I don't family

1:13:01

But I got a good friend Let's

1:13:05

continue I'm

1:13:07

on the east coast, west coast

1:13:34

I don't know, I would love to keep doing this stuff

1:13:44

I really enjoyed our chat and

1:13:47

I think we're on the same page on

1:13:49

so many important things For sure,

1:13:51

I mean today was really the first time

1:13:53

I really got an opportunity Today

1:13:57

was the first time that I know

1:14:00

met you via Zoom. This

1:14:02

was our very first time chatting with

1:14:05

each other. Before we recorded this podcast,

1:14:07

we spoke for about 20 minutes, and

1:14:09

then we went right into the interview. But

1:14:11

man, I feel like I've known you for

1:14:14

years. I feel like I'm talking to one

1:14:16

of my buddies. And this is amazing. I

1:14:19

love it. This is amazing, really. And

1:14:23

one final question that I ask every

1:14:25

single person that comes on is kind

1:14:27

of a random question. But if you

1:14:29

could put up a message on the

1:14:31

Shibuya Crossing billboard for everyone to see,

1:14:34

what would that message be? OK.

1:14:38

I see. No,

1:14:41

I have a message. There's something

1:14:43

I have a message. So

1:14:45

again, it's going to be related to the things

1:14:47

I've said. But it's

1:14:50

be kind to yourself.

1:14:53

Love that. This really is. No,

1:14:55

this is like, I think it's so important. Yeah,

1:14:58

I know. I know. I'm going to give you a message.

1:15:01

Now, I'm going to give you a message. That

1:15:05

is not the only thing I want to say. The

1:15:09

banya, the soul, you know, come on. I know. But

1:15:13

whatever. No, no. Nani

1:15:15

talk. Challenge. That's the

1:15:18

only thing that is happening. But

1:15:20

you know, I'm not telling that. We

1:16:00

are not as Czech as the major re inquiries but some

1:16:02

of the wins we got has been Jamal complicated

1:16:04

Their We

1:16:29

are not as Czech as

1:16:32

the major re inquiries but some of the

1:16:34

wins we got have been Jamal complicated We

1:17:29

are not as Czech as the major re inquiries but

1:17:31

some of the wins we got have been Jamal complicated

1:18:00

saying you know but I

1:18:02

think it's for

1:18:05

me at least it's one of the most

1:18:07

important messages I could give

1:18:09

myself so you know I wanted to

1:18:11

share that excellent with everybody yeah

1:18:14

so no blue arm if my

1:18:16

listeners today want to find out

1:18:19

what you're up to you know what's

1:18:21

the best way for them to see

1:18:24

what you're doing yeah so um I

1:18:27

would say my Instagram page is where

1:18:30

I do most of my posting I

1:18:32

do have like a small YouTube page but I'm

1:18:35

still working on that yeah I

1:18:37

would say Instagram yeah please feel

1:18:39

free to you know friend me

1:18:42

and message me or you know

1:18:44

let's hook up and

1:18:46

this is kind of who I am I like

1:18:48

to talk and connect and just have

1:18:50

a good time communicating

1:18:53

right after all that is

1:18:55

what English is about yeah

1:18:57

and yeah just have fun learning

1:18:59

right learning should be fun and

1:19:02

enriching right

1:19:04

so that's kind of really

1:19:06

my my message

1:19:08

and just how I am

1:19:12

and how I hope to enjoy English

1:19:15

with community yeah yeah

1:19:17

so um if you guys are

1:19:19

interested Nobu is on Instagram you

1:19:21

can find him at at Nobu underscore

1:19:23

English that's correct right Nobu underscore

1:19:25

English and yeah

1:19:30

you'll get a lot of good stuff

1:19:32

so yeah Instagram and

1:19:34

Nobu I didn't even

1:19:37

get to go through all the questions

1:19:39

that I had ready for you today

1:19:41

and we're like almost about to hit

1:19:43

an hour and a half right now

1:19:45

oh really I have to do round

1:19:47

two because there are a lot of

1:19:49

topics we could really dive into and

1:19:51

there are similarities in terms of background

1:19:53

and the way we see things in

1:19:55

terms of like learning let's do

1:19:58

this again man I really enjoy it I

1:20:01

would like to take your brain more too.

1:20:04

Definitely you've had lots of experiences

1:20:06

I have never had. And

1:20:09

yeah, it would just make for

1:20:11

a very interesting conversation,

1:20:13

hopefully for our listeners, but also for

1:20:15

myself as well. And just like, it

1:20:18

was just a real pleasure. So

1:20:21

thank you. Thank you. And to

1:20:23

everybody, don't forget if you – I'm sure

1:20:25

you guys have seen it, heard of it.

1:20:27

But if you don't have a copy yet,

1:20:30

check out his bestseller. There it is right there. That's

1:20:36

probably the newest one right there,

1:20:39

right? Yeah, so there's like a…

1:20:43

I don't know. I don't know. I

1:20:46

don't know. I don't know. I

1:20:49

don't know. Ah, so… I don't know. I

1:20:52

don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I

1:20:55

don't know. Well, I will check it

1:20:57

out. I will have it on my show notes, guys. If

1:21:00

you guys want to get a link to that, it will

1:21:02

be on the show notes today. Nobu,

1:21:05

thank you very much. That was a lot of fun. Let's

1:21:07

do it again. Yes. Thank you

1:21:09

for having me, Joona. I hope you

1:21:11

guys enjoyed our conversation today. You

1:21:14

can find all of Nobu's information on the show notes. So

1:21:17

if you're interested, check it out

1:21:19

on hapaekaiwa.com. Also,

1:21:21

my interview with Nobu is available on my

1:21:23

YouTube channel. If you guys

1:21:25

would like to watch the interview, please

1:21:28

visit the hapaekaiwa YouTube channel. If

1:21:30

you have any questions, please tell them to call us. If

1:21:33

you have any questions, please ask them. If

1:21:37

you have any questions, please check them out.

1:21:41

If you have any questions, please tell them to interview

1:21:43

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1:21:46

you have any questions, please tell them to call

1:21:48

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1:21:52

for listening today. You guys have an awesome day

1:21:54

and I will catch you again next week. Take

1:21:57

it easy. Peace.