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0:33

He will be easy to say that it all started

0:35

with the murders. But. Actually,

0:38

It began when Margaret Thatcher became prime

0:40

minister. A woman in

0:42

charge of the country just isn't right.

0:45

The. Not made for right? Man. Tt

0:47

hello and welcome. It's a happy place.

0:49

But club with me Fearne Cotton. I

0:51

wanted to point out that like Margaret

0:54

Thatcher and teaching was also a woman.

0:57

But. Anti Gene hated being interrupted made

0:59

flow. And it was just

1:01

the two of us. meaning there

1:03

was no escape from her opinions,

1:05

of which there were many today.

1:07

The list of suspicious things by

1:10

Jenny Godfrey: Three: these bloody murders

1:12

every five minutes. That's what York's

1:14

is famous for now. Dead Girl's.

1:18

She put the wooden spoon away

1:20

and opened the door of our

1:22

ancient for each with it's busted

1:24

corners which creeped in protest. Immediately

1:26

chatting about the lack of substance

1:28

inside it, she pulled out the

1:30

battered spiral bound notebook she carried

1:32

everywhere with her, remove the equally

1:34

battered pencil, shipped it in the

1:36

top. And licks the up. Butter

1:39

Milk Cheese. I.

1:42

Could see her mouthing the words as

1:44

she wrote them down neatly, listing them

1:46

in the copper plate handwriting she was

1:48

still proud. Anti Dean

1:51

Light to tidy up the mess in

1:53

Sf life, putting everything into order. I

1:56

sometimes wondered if that was what she was

1:58

trying to do to our family. She

2:02

finished her list cause the French. I

2:04

looked at me. Oh.

2:07

And not just a dead girl's. Those

2:09

types of women. I

2:12

was best thing to ask about what types of

2:14

women she meant. And

2:16

whether they were the same type as Margaret Thatcher.

2:20

She. Was. Always intrigued the women in

2:22

teaching to suppress. The

2:24

When many be a new. From

2:26

experience that no comment was expected or

2:29

does it. So

2:31

I chose to send nothing as

2:33

into my chair while I'm cheating.

2:35

Settled back into her opinions. I

2:39

didn't need to ask which majesty

2:41

was talking about that. Everyone in

2:43

New York City we had our

2:45

very own Bogeyman one with a

2:47

hammer and hatred of women. Muggy.

2:53

Such. A his Prime Minister drain

2:56

pipe. Dreams Are In A Maze

2:58

is convinced that her dad wants

3:00

to move their family down south

3:02

because of the Yorkshire Ripper Murders.

3:05

There's absolutely no way misleading Yorkshire

3:07

and have best mate Sovereign, so

3:09

perhaps if she could solve the

3:11

case of the disappearing women, they

3:13

could stay. After all, that's why

3:16

Maze and Sovereign stop making their

3:18

list a list of all the

3:20

suspicious people on things on their

3:22

streets. This is the debut novel

3:24

of also Jenny Godfrey and. You

3:27

have been loving it. I just wanted to

3:29

say I'm loving reading about such a serious

3:31

subject from the perspective of a young girl

3:33

in the sick of the to. Is.

3:36

Such a clever way to cut to the intensity

3:38

of this period in history. It feels

3:40

so real and like we're back there

3:42

again and somehow more poignant. From this

3:44

viewpoint, I love the style and I'm

3:46

completely immersed in the lives of this

3:49

community and teach any such a great

3:51

we'd. All. Syncs Lovely Debbie and

3:53

this is Carolyn. This that was so

3:55

good I felt like I was living

3:57

in Yorkshire at the time of the

3:59

router. I told my sister she

4:01

shouldn't be walking home on her. I announced

4:03

a night out because it wasn't safe. we

4:06

live in Guernsey where everyone is safe all

4:08

the time so I was fully immersed in

4:10

it. Was fantastic. And which is

4:12

Carolyn. I absolutely agree. Such a burly

4:14

and burke alice and read it in

4:16

two days. she couldn't put it down.

4:18

She says I could really relate to

4:20

Maze I see reminds me of me

4:22

at that A's in the seventies. I

4:25

could clearly see everything in my mind

4:27

as described and it was so like

4:29

my childhood but then when children but

4:31

generally seen but not heard a break

4:33

my heart. When tragedy struck the story

4:35

visited some real seems of the time

4:37

with care and compassion. I loved it.

4:39

Lorraine said a similar. Experience on

4:41

Instagram. if you want to join us. were

4:43

a happy place. And but club. As

4:46

a child as the seventies. I.

4:48

Do remember the Yorkshire business being

4:50

in the news and not really

4:52

understanding what was happening. This book

4:54

is allowed me to enjoy of

4:57

ways as nostalgia. Miss Voice is

4:59

so authentic and it really brings

5:01

the end of childhood possible puberty

5:04

time to life. I'm

5:06

about halfway through the book and I

5:08

sound it's such a page turner. Thanks

5:10

Wonderful Rain! So Jenny and I just

5:13

had a couple of weeks ago about

5:15

her own family connection to Peter Sutcliffe.

5:17

A Yorkshire Ripper. But also about

5:20

the psychological power of not having a

5:22

Plan B Fuel career and how the

5:24

best so I days often land in

5:26

your head when you weren't even trying

5:29

to be creative. Oh, and before

5:31

we go into the bird, I had

5:33

my own recommendation for Jenny, a film

5:35

I'd just. Been watching. each

5:59

or I urge you both to

6:01

do it at some point this week is

6:03

watch past lives if you haven't. It is

6:06

the best film that I have seen in

6:08

years and years and

6:11

years. I cried but like

6:13

not crying where you

6:15

feel drained afterwards just like you

6:18

feel alive. It is simply

6:21

heaven. You have to watch it. You have

6:23

to watch it. On the list. Right.

6:26

Lovely Jenny. How are you? I'm

6:28

really really well thank you. All

6:30

a bit spaced out

6:32

from this exclusive, delicious, suspicious

6:35

thing so far but great.

6:37

It's just phenomenal. How many weeks have you

6:40

been in the Sunday Times top sellers list

6:42

now? Four weeks. What

6:45

a dream. What a dream! I know. It's

6:48

so brilliant. First of all congratulations on

6:50

the huge success of this wonderful, wonderful

6:52

book. How does it feel? I mean

6:55

obviously there's an element of it

6:57

being surreal I'm sure with your

7:00

debut fiction but you know how

7:02

much feedback have you taken on because I've spoken to

7:04

some authors who are like I don't want to know

7:06

I'll look at the Sunday Times but bar that I

7:08

don't want to get any feedback. How do you feel

7:10

about that? So I

7:12

definitely don't read Goodreads or

7:14

any of the online reviews.

7:17

No. I've been to some of my own places.

7:19

They are for other people not me but

7:21

when people post

7:23

on Instagram

7:26

or Twitter and tell me they loved the book or tell me

7:28

they cried I'm all over it.

7:32

I love that so much. It's actually one

7:34

of the real benefits of social media as

7:36

a writer is you get to interact

7:39

with readers. I love it. It's a beautiful thing and that's

7:41

exactly what our Happy Place Book Club is all about. We

7:44

talk about books and talk about how much

7:46

we love them and get stuck into these

7:49

stories together and I love reading along with

7:51

other people and I've heard you say that

7:53

you would like this book to be described

7:55

as a book club book because it is

7:57

a book you can really chat about. Yes,

8:00

I always imagined, you know

8:03

you have this kind of

8:05

imagined future, I always imagined

8:07

people having the book

8:09

and saying, you've got to

8:11

read this book, a bit like we've just had

8:13

a conversation about a film. Yes.

8:16

It's this book you've got to read and then we

8:18

need to talk about it. And that is my hashtag

8:20

author goals, to have people do that.

8:23

Well, there's so many things to talk about.

8:25

I mean, let's start with the characters because

8:27

you've just got a rich display of characters

8:29

in this book, starting off with the

8:31

main character who's a 13 year old

8:33

girl called Miv, who for

8:35

various reasons is on the

8:37

hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper,

8:39

which sounds ever so ghastly

8:41

and horrendous. But

8:44

actually the book is so jolly

8:46

and manages to really straddle

8:48

that sort of very dark

8:51

subject matter, but keeping things

8:53

really light and warm. It's

8:57

very warm. It's a beautiful, cosy book

8:59

to read. Why did you pick a

9:01

13 year old for the

9:03

sort of main lens of the

9:06

book? So I am a massive

9:08

consumer of true crime.

9:11

And I think lots of people are

9:13

these days. And that

9:16

comes from a very knowing, very

9:18

adult lens. So there's a kind

9:20

of particular view on

9:23

crime that has become very

9:25

popular. What I wanted

9:27

to do with A List of Suspicious Things

9:29

was shine a different kind of light on

9:33

a real life crime. That

9:36

of that kind of really

9:38

amazing mix of innocence and

9:40

knowingness that comes with going

9:44

from childhood to teen years. Hence

9:46

I chose a 13 year old girl.

9:49

Yeah, it's a brilliant, brilliant

9:51

take on it because as

9:53

you say, you get that innocence and with

9:55

that comes humour and also the sort of

9:57

self discovery element that we can all relate

9:59

to and think to. back to I love

10:01

the bit where Miv's trying out her first

10:03

rollable lip gloss for the first time and

10:05

that being such a moment. I remember my

10:07

first lip gloss. Yeah. It's such

10:09

an open. Yeah, it really is. Those

10:12

rollable lip glosses are having a renaissance

10:14

as a result, I'll tell you. I

10:17

know. Well, we're at the age now where

10:19

we're experiencing throwback stuff coming around, which is

10:21

terrifying. But this is set in the 70s

10:23

and I know that you kind of created

10:26

this whole 70s room to write in with

10:28

different sort of swirly patterns on the wall

10:31

and pictures. How much did that help you

10:33

really dive into that decade or dive back

10:35

to it? It really helped. I wrote the

10:37

book during lockdown, so there wasn't an

10:39

awful lot else to do. So I

10:41

really amass myself in the 1970s. I only listened

10:43

to 70s music and as you say, absolutely,

10:48

the walls were sort

10:51

of full of 1970s patterns.

10:53

And it's actually really funny.

10:56

When I first started going to

10:58

bookshops to give out early versions

11:00

of the book, I really remember

11:03

this wonderful young bookseller

11:05

who picked it up from me

11:07

and said, oh my goodness, this

11:10

is some historical fiction there. And

11:12

I was so horrified because to me

11:14

the 70s were yesterday. It can't be

11:16

class as history. That's too depressing. Oh

11:19

my God. It's brilliant. But it's a

11:21

great setting for the book because you

11:23

really can immerse yourself in that amazing,

11:25

colourful, vibrant decade, as well as the

11:27

darkness of that decade too, which again,

11:29

I think you just straddle absolutely perfectly

11:31

in this book. Now I know this

11:34

book isn't autobiographical, but there are elements

11:36

of your childhood that hugely inspired this

11:38

book. Tell us a bit more about

11:40

that. Yes. I

11:42

mean, I grew up in West

11:44

Yorkshire in the 1970s and the kind of shadow, if

11:51

you like, of the

11:53

murders and the murder and known

11:55

as the Yorkshire Ripper was really

11:57

pervasive. So from 1970s, 1975

12:01

to 1980, he was

12:03

like this phantom that haunted

12:05

our childhoods. And it was

12:08

made all the more poignant for me,

12:10

I guess, because on

12:12

the day that Peter Sutcliffe was

12:14

caught, it turned out that

12:17

my dad knew him and has worked with

12:19

him for some time. And I just

12:22

remember my dad walking around the house

12:24

going, but I know him, but

12:26

I know him and he couldn't comprehend

12:29

that this man, very quiet

12:31

and shy, introverted man that

12:33

he'd met, could do

12:35

these terrible things. And I was maybe

12:37

nine or 10 at the time. You

12:39

don't forget that. No, I

12:42

mean, that makes an impact on

12:45

your whole life and your outlook on the world.

12:47

And I mean, it's no surprise

12:49

that you've gone on to write this really

12:51

brilliantly in depth book about that subject matter.

12:53

Because as you say, it stays with you,

12:55

you can't lose that. And I love the

12:57

fact that Miv, the 13 year old that

12:59

we've talked about already, she's going

13:01

around with some sort of understanding of that,

13:03

that this could be a very normal person,

13:06

someone very unsuspected. So she is really looking

13:08

in all corners, looking at every

13:10

single person out there that seems to have

13:12

any suspicious element about them. And that

13:15

leads to all sorts of other discoveries as

13:17

well, which is a wonderful part of the book.

13:19

It's incredible. I love the whole idea. And

13:22

also, I'm really interested

13:25

in your story Jenny, because there are

13:27

many people out there who will hopefully

13:29

be listening to this podcast now and

13:31

certainly who follow the Happy Place Book

13:33

Club, who love to write for fun,

13:35

who write for a hobby or as

13:37

an outlet, but maybe haven't made that

13:40

leap to actually trying to get a

13:42

book published. And that's something that you've

13:44

absolutely lived and breathed because you were

13:47

working in the corporate arena for quite some

13:49

time and then made the leap to

13:51

getting this book published. Tell us how

13:54

that happened. And I

13:56

guess I'm really interested in that moment

13:58

of pivot where you go, I'm gonna

14:01

go for it. This is actually happening now. Yes.

14:04

Interestingly, Happy Place podcast has

14:06

been kind of a partner

14:10

alongside some of those changes, which

14:12

I'm sure Which I am honored to

14:14

hear. Love it. I

14:17

love Happy Place. Oh, yes. Thank you. And

14:20

I mean, I definitely went through

14:22

certainly in my, in my

14:25

early 40s, I'd been doing a

14:27

corporate job for 25 years, had always

14:31

thought the next big job and the

14:33

next promotion. And I call

14:36

it now my midlife moment where I woke

14:38

up one morning and thought I don't want

14:41

to do this anymore. It isn't who I

14:43

am. And I

14:45

want to do something that expresses

14:48

my creativity more. But also

14:50

I was suffering really badly

14:52

with anxiety and bouts

14:55

of depression. Now

14:57

I understand that some of that was

15:00

hormonal. But actually some

15:02

of it was also not

15:04

to get too woo woo. But the universe

15:06

telling me I needed to do something different

15:08

with my life. I did need to do

15:11

something different with my life. And I

15:13

did the thing that everyone tells you not

15:15

to do, which is I gave up

15:18

my job without anything to go

15:20

to. And being really honest with you,

15:23

it felt like I was jumping off a

15:25

cliff. I was

15:27

absolutely petrified to leave this thing

15:29

that had given me

15:31

so much of my identity. But

15:34

at the same time, I

15:36

preferred uncertainty to unhappiness. And

15:39

so I gave it up. And

15:41

I decided that I'd spend some time

15:43

working out what I was going to do next.

15:45

And while I did that, I would write a

15:47

book. So it was

15:49

kind of a I wasn't

15:52

all in to start with, but

15:55

very, very quickly, once I'd

15:57

started writing, I really

16:00

that this was the thing I was supposed to

16:02

do. That's the

16:04

only way I can describe it. I just knew I was home.

16:08

And interestingly, I mean, I will

16:10

tell the story of the

16:13

particular happy place. Yeah, I wanna hear

16:15

it. I wanna self-envilderate here at all. Oh,

16:18

I love, I mean, I listened to it

16:20

last night to remind me and I still

16:23

got the same really big emotional reaction to

16:25

it. So during

16:27

lockdown, I was alone and I live

16:30

very rarely. So

16:32

I'm quite far from other people. And

16:35

podcasts were my friends, so I'm sad.

16:37

You're not true with it, am I

16:39

too? Yeah, the conversational

16:41

elements and happy place, how to

16:44

fail and Adam Buxton were

16:46

on rotation in my life.

16:49

And I was having a wobble

16:51

about what have I done, giving

16:54

up my job, starting to write

16:56

a book. I

16:58

know that getting published is really

17:00

challenging. What am I doing?

17:02

And you recorded an episode

17:05

with Daisy May Kupa who I

17:08

utterly adore. I adore

17:10

her, I adore everything she's

17:12

written and acted in. And

17:14

so I was really looking forward to this

17:16

episode. And on it, Daisy

17:19

talks about one of

17:21

the reasons she felt that

17:24

this country had essentially happened

17:27

was because they had no plan B. So

17:31

her and Charlie had no other plan

17:33

of what they were going to do

17:35

with their lives, just this. So

17:37

it meant that they hung on and

17:41

just picked themselves up every time they were

17:43

knocked back and kept going. And

17:46

I sat there listening to it, like proper

17:49

weeping, going, she's

17:52

right. I need to

17:55

not have a plan B. I need

17:57

to just keep going. And

17:59

I'm so, So glad that I did because

18:01

yes, as it can remember...

18:04

So am I! Yes! I'm

18:06

over the moon! Not only am I deeply

18:08

honoured because you know we can only hope

18:10

that these podcast episodes have

18:12

an impact that's positive and a ripple

18:15

effect that means there's going to be

18:17

a tweak or a bit of

18:19

positive change, not just for me because I'd

18:21

benefit every week but for the listeners. So

18:23

I'm deeply grateful to hear that but also

18:26

because otherwise you wouldn't have this

18:28

astonishing book that so many of us are

18:30

getting so much joy from. So I'm absolutely

18:32

over the moon and I guess it gives

18:34

you that laser point

18:36

focus to go I'm all in. I

18:38

am all in to what I'm doing

18:41

and there's a big difference between

18:43

doing something as a bit of a hobby which

18:46

there's nothing wrong with that and getting all the

18:48

joy from it too. This is

18:50

my everything and I'm putting every inch

18:52

of heart and soul into it. I

18:54

think there is a difference. I

18:56

think you're right and I've always been an all

18:59

or nothing person. There's a phrase

19:02

I love which is I

19:04

recognise balance when I swing past it and

19:07

that's always been how I

19:09

am and actually

19:11

that can be a massive strength particularly

19:13

in a situation like this. I wasn't

19:16

going to give up until I absolutely

19:19

had tried everything.

19:22

Oh well it's so brilliant and it's shit

19:24

scary and you've got to write that bit

19:27

out and go for it and I wonder

19:29

how was your confidence,

19:31

how were your nerves just before

19:34

other people started to read it

19:36

because it's a really strange thing.

19:38

The transition from you're

19:41

happily writing away and you deeply believe in

19:43

every word that you're writing and if anyone

19:45

came into the room at that point and

19:47

questioned you you'd go no no this I'm

19:49

in this world right now. I'm living it,

19:52

I'm breathing it but then for other people

19:54

to read it, question it, have queries about

19:56

it, have their own vision of

19:58

it because how I've involved. Your story

20:00

will probably be very different the how

20:02

you feel? it. Isn't that something you

20:05

have to sort, relinquish control and let

20:07

go? How did you feel confident? slice?

20:09

Just. Before the book came. Out with

20:11

assists. say it's so funny and

20:13

I know that your going to

20:15

be something. Yeah, we'll be going

20:17

through something. Ferry somebody for it

20:19

Now I'm so I. Will scroll

20:22

and papers positively. I

20:24

was horrified. I mean

20:26

as genuine may i?

20:28

So many sleepless nights

20:30

and so much noisier

20:32

around the how people

20:34

would receive that and

20:36

whether people. Would. Find

20:39

will always found. In the

20:41

characters and I mean I've been.

20:43

Really lucky that so the

20:45

most part people have really

20:47

positively reacted to ads, but

20:50

even then I'm still a

20:52

sense to flower. And you

20:54

know I have. The money.

20:56

It's myself really carefully

20:58

and take breaks. Away

21:00

from being so involved in

21:02

the book of it becomes

21:05

almost my entire existence that

21:07

see any way I can

21:09

stay sane. Yeah. Thought that

21:11

isn't there a limit not I don't know

21:13

what your feelings one I'm sure they were

21:15

pretty similar to to mine and many other

21:17

authors I've spoken t but whenever I the

21:20

I've completed my they Be Fixed and now

21:22

it's kind of his response. Print literally

21:24

any time to supervisor

21:26

exams. You gotta stop tweeting Any

21:28

gonna just leave me But every time

21:31

I jump back into that story it

21:33

just felt like over the leaving my

21:35

own life entirely. I was so fully

21:37

immersed in the in the best possible

21:39

way and now I'm finished with it

21:41

like. Whoa. I don't get to

21:43

jump into that world anymore. You fit a it

21:46

arrest. So I genuinely

21:48

feel like it's. Kind of a

21:50

grieving process he gave graves where

21:52

there's a periods where you feel

21:54

really and say i'm but you

21:56

will soon discover San sat at

21:58

the talking about. Them all the

22:01

assets they were means you will be

22:03

back with them for your promotional time.

22:05

and then you'll be struggling to write

22:08

books too because she can't that book

22:10

one out of your yeah I

22:12

had. So I'm into a this time

22:14

is is where I would say I

22:17

definitely didn't I was. I was there

22:19

too busy worrying about what's next.

22:21

What's. Next for actually the quietness is

22:23

good. it is and you need had

22:25

space to be creative in the first

22:28

place. Before. We finish.

22:30

I'm always intrigued about how I

22:32

days land now. Obviously book lists

22:34

possible experience in your childhood that

22:36

has stayed with you. On

22:38

whether you knew you were going to use

22:40

it for created good or know. Is.

22:43

You know we can park. that's a

22:45

one sided that the experience and how

22:47

not conform to you hours apart and

22:50

stayed with you. But when did this

22:52

particular idea land and foul? Because I've

22:54

had times where I days of landed

22:56

pre fully formed in my head, another

22:59

time that the outline of something about

23:01

half the feel around in the Dogs

23:03

that war Is this what? What do

23:05

I do with their how how's your

23:07

ideas come to a. Well

23:10

the list to suspicious things are there.

23:12

Was one of those moments where.

23:15

It sounds like time making it

23:17

up but it is actually what

23:20

happened in that I had tried

23:22

to rise to psychological thriller on.

23:24

it was terrible and no one

23:26

will ever see as his twenty

23:28

thousand was in a drawer somewhere.

23:31

Else is around the same theme. Automatically

23:33

removed a cat know I think I

23:35

was trying to write. Why saw

23:37

people might on to the

23:40

terrible idea and I. Put

23:42

it to one side and I was

23:44

out walking the dog without any intention.

23:46

Of thinking about writing

23:49

or thinking about ideas

23:51

and see plot. The.

23:54

characters on the twice all the

23:56

list as suspicious things appeared in

23:58

my head the whole thing. That's

24:00

my favorite thing. It was

24:02

amazing. I practically

24:05

ran home trying to

24:07

write down everything I'd

24:10

seen, everything I'd

24:12

experienced on this walk, just so

24:15

I wouldn't lose any part of

24:17

it. And

24:19

really then the next six to eight

24:21

months were me capturing

24:24

all of that over and over and

24:26

over again, making it richer and richer

24:28

and richer. And it's really interesting because

24:31

I specifically say

24:33

the title because my editor

24:35

at Penguin often says

24:37

to me, yours is the first

24:40

book where we haven't changed the

24:42

title. And that's because the

24:44

book arrives fully formed in my head.

24:47

I love it. I absolutely love it. And

24:49

I think we've all got access

24:51

to that sort of, whether you call it

24:53

channeling or like divine intervention, whatever it might

24:56

be there, and we've all got access to

24:58

it. But you have to then make

25:00

a decision whether to act on it or not. And

25:02

I'm sure those of us have had these ideas and

25:04

gone, oh, that's interesting, maybe for the future. But

25:06

you ran home and you started

25:09

writing this book. Yeah, I love it. It's

25:11

beautiful. And it's heaven sent. And it's brought

25:13

me so much joy reading this book. And

25:15

I can't wait for it. Honestly, I can't

25:18

wait for the Happy Place book club listeners

25:20

and followers to get deep

25:22

into this story and get chatting about it

25:24

online. It's a really beautiful community where we

25:26

can, as I say, nerd off about books

25:28

and get really excited about characters and themes

25:30

and plots. So, Jenny, thank you

25:33

so much for talking to me today.

25:35

And once again, congratulations on just such

25:37

a hugely successful, brilliant book. You're

25:39

really welcome, Fern. Thank you for having me.

25:44

Oh, I love Jenny so much. I want to

25:46

be friends with Jenny so bad. What a woman. She's just incredible.

25:49

Not only am I in full admiration

25:52

of how she just went with this

25:54

idea that popped into her head and

25:56

really had no plan B, I'm so

25:58

happy to be here. I love

26:00

that. But also I'm just such

26:03

a fan of the book. It's

26:05

so smart and it beautifully deals

26:07

with some pretty heavy issues and

26:09

you really leave the book feeling

26:11

like you know the characters. It's

26:14

incredible. If you need to

26:16

feel the motivation Jenny felt from the Daisy

26:18

May Cooper episode, you can always search for

26:20

it in your Happy Place podcast feed. We

26:22

love Daisy. The book we're

26:24

reading this month in May is

26:27

Sociopaths by Patrick Gagney. Oh

26:29

my dad. This

26:33

is the most mesmerizing memoir about Patrick's

26:35

battle to create a place for herself

26:37

in the world as a sociopath. She's

26:40

had dark impulses her whole life but

26:42

she eventually began to wonder if there

26:44

was a way for sociopaths like her

26:46

to integrate happily into society. I cannot

26:49

wait to hear what you make of

26:51

this one. Come and chat to us

26:53

on Instagram at Happy Place Book Club.

26:55

Slide into our DMs with a voice

26:57

note. We would love that. All

26:59

right for now the biggest thank you

27:02

again to Jenny, to the producer Anushka

27:04

Tate at Happy Place Studios and to

27:06

you lovely bookworms, happy reading.

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