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betty gilpin from glow in

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a guy some sauce hurwitz and wasn't to another edition

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very excited to say that are we have

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betty open back on the podcast today and i

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always love talking to her because she

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is fiercely intelligence funny self

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deprecating neurotic all the good things

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and very talented as both an

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actor and now and

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author of her new book is fantastic

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it's called it's called women in my brain and other concerns

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arm i have read this cover to

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cover and it was not a sore at all

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it was just a delight on she's

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very insightful very funny very self deprecating

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the says ah her

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it's not really a memoir though it is it's certainly

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for wife and her experiences and work

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1:25

his tenth are smarter than me and that so it's better

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intelligent than me that that rarely happens to

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spar the my arm but ah

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this is a good catch up about her to life and career

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i'm i mean we talk about the hunt

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which was a film that really should gun more

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attention that cannot write as the pandemic

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of started our the end of go

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what's the com the future and of course for

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i'm he would take an entire hour to region on what

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a bit of to honestly away leave but suffice

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i just adored as are saw bunch of great

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really respect and love and

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can do one interview and i

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buckley judith ib the list goes on

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just a a stunning piece of work this

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chris matthews a fantastic filmmaker

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on the those his heyday arm

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and most poignant leaders documents

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the end of robert i seniors life you past i believe

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the cameras go to some very

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arms intimate spaces and it's

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taste of telluride and then i went off to toronto film

4:57

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for a few years arm saab

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bunch more great movies arm

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glass on the in the new knives out

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digesting that but an amazing performance

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just about wrecked me like i was sobbing

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7:32

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8:14

that's a was i know so we get to the main event

8:16

let's do it okay here is

8:19

betty gilpin the actress

8:21

and now more importantly authored

8:24

check out her new book it's our right now

8:26

arm and enjoy this catch up with me

8:29

and betty

8:34

what is very gilded returning to

8:36

the podcast this time in a zoom boss

8:38

because we don't actually direct more

8:41

, the world ended between that we last

8:43

saw each other and now yeah i like to think

8:45

that are or less podcast helped usher

8:47

in the new era of on absolutely

8:50

absolutely his name is even worse time to be alive

8:53

but it's certainly the most embarrassing is

8:56

hop five worst times to be on survivor

8:58

is time to feel i see a fun

9:01

then know but reporter about seattle

9:03

it all made it

9:04

the embarrassing it just it's

9:06

so dumb and like that

9:09

were all in him fox series

9:11

ends

9:12

that's good , of a reference

9:14

my hoodie it's it's so stupid

9:17

have you on fire way i look somebody you

9:19

cut your of gonna go out of just like could

9:21

know that this know that is to sell you

9:24

like

9:25

you may you may see me all dolled

9:27

up usually but at when i am is real

9:29

and an oscar now so

9:31

i'm married to really and ready to

9:34

also like be an apothecary it

9:36

our three rentals answer is

9:39

in order for you to see the princess on the other side

9:41

to the then also uncomfortably also depends

9:43

as listen i've limited time five

9:45

questions and them or out okay no idea i

9:47

guess what , apothecary

9:49

was a secret or today and we got got

9:52

of usually during every time usually

9:54

during about the care exactly exactly

9:56

i'm i'm very happy to have you back

9:58

though you are one of the human beings on the planet

10:01

that might able to out neurotic me,

10:03

that might hate themselves more than i hate myself know

10:07

it sounds like the road a

10:09

journey the twists and turns but

10:17

don't have a a degree of self-loathing that

10:19

don't question themselves it don't

10:21

feel posture syndrome because i generally don't

10:23

but too old from your vantage well,

10:25

yes, no, i

10:28

i

10:29

i feel

10:30

dr white person wise i only

10:32

relate to people who are both

10:34

very passionate and very

10:37

embarrassed like the two

10:39

together and i feel like there's

10:42

this epidemic happening where it's

10:44

a lot of people who aren't passionate and aren't

10:47

embarrassed their labor

10:48

relax and like you gotta see

10:50

me in the

10:51

great i'm like that you're not believe

10:54

, looks like plateau know i probably

10:56

suck are are usually great but

11:00

yeah

11:00

what i don't know i i

11:02

do feel like i'm realizing

11:05

that

11:06

neuroses and self hate often

11:08

take up just as much space in a room

11:10

as

11:11

mary to for them and

11:13

it's not as

11:15

interesting as i think it is and

11:17

also like

11:18

watching the and

11:22

commercialization and brand defying

11:24

of self hate and boner

11:26

the what he makes me reflect

11:28

on my own got to stay out of

11:30

it by marketing mrm or really taken

11:32

the find out of it and also like i've written a book

11:34

about it i am hashtag or the problem

11:36

of the new thing of like thinking

11:38

i have an announcement everyone look at me

11:40

the announcement is why

11:42

if i felt why are you guys looking at

11:44

the site cause you're wearing a shirt that says

11:46

if you don't look at me out how i felt

11:48

like i i were

11:50

i'm an actress who wrote a book about myself

11:52

clearly i'm i'm against

11:54

all odds finding the strength to take spotlight

11:57

your inspiration that way i

11:59

you're up here as if the podcast

12:02

listeners cannot see it but i i actually own

12:04

this i've actually read this betty and guts

12:06

i mean i don't want pat myself on the back about

12:08

like it's one thing to watch an hour to to of

12:10

tv for my eighty the brain

12:13

as actually finish what is

12:16

a miracle i ,

12:18

it is wild it's a wild

12:21

ass to

12:23

i realize they l as an actor when

12:25

you make com and the homework

12:28

ask of friends and family and the public

12:30

is like to sit in pajamas and open

12:32

your eyes for an hour and watch of screen

12:35

i've given you what seven hours

12:37

of homework i'm so

12:39

sorry and grateful

12:42

shout apologize i i i said

12:44

thoroughly enjoyed i really did it is like

12:46

nice i heard your voice for those seven

12:48

hours i have heard about in my brain

12:52

for good or for bad yeah right

12:55

now is very funny it's very insightful

12:57

and very self reflective and yes what's your point

13:00

i feel like you flush the lot of another your system a

13:02

lot of like the piles of fully is

13:04

is maybe maybe exercise through

13:06

those he is don't know great yeah bile on

13:08

the pages grab your copy now

13:11

copy up with animals on animals next edition that club

13:13

yes yeah edition tried to have it be

13:17

the

13:18

the thirty look inward while

13:20

i'm making fun of cathartic

13:22

we looking inward right

13:24

so what was that what was the

13:26

the task at hand was this on the list for a while

13:29

what how to dislike is this are generated

13:31

her yeah i'm

13:34

yeah i mean i think

13:37

writing was always sort of my

13:39

the great girlfriends and

13:43

you know something that

13:45

i write about in the book ah

13:48

damn you know being , actor

13:51

always you know having started as

13:54

a theater nerd and just being

13:56

super am passion

13:59

and dirty about acting

14:01

and then working as an actor

14:03

and sort of realizing i mean needed

14:06

people feel this way across many field

14:08

that you sort of have your passion

14:10

and childhood dream trapped inside a business

14:12

setting we're it and sometimes

14:15

grow send embarrassing and funny

14:17

and and fun but he

14:20

, kind of lose track of that's

14:23

fair initial

14:25

authentic seven year old

14:27

self reason for getting into it and

14:30

i also try to write about kind

14:33

of authentic self vs

14:35

that itself

14:36

that am and

14:38

i think writing at

14:41

because it with my secret girlfriend it

14:43

dot the sort of live in the

14:46

authentic self only

14:48

they because it would never been presented

14:50

to the world i never

14:51

really hard

14:53

the satellite any other

14:55

kind of thing yeah you could be totally raise your

14:57

unguarded yeah

14:58

yeah and them you

15:00

know now

15:01

in literally falling it was

15:04

awesome thanks

15:05

so out maybe you out too

15:07

late now i'm but

15:09

at

15:10

yeah i wrote it

15:13

i had always wanted to write about

15:15

and it really took the pandemic

15:18

happening and

15:20

that fat the crumbling of society being

15:22

in a in quarantine and realizing

15:24

oh

15:26

the you know maybe as

15:28

we are saying maybe the

15:30

volume of mine neuroses and voices

15:32

in my head telling me

15:34

the

15:35

don't write don't deal don't just

15:37

hide it all feels pretty stupid

15:40

now so maybe just

15:42

do it if the meteor coming

15:44

will you mention the are ready to have been your secret

15:47

girlfriend that that's opposite said a case in

15:49

which is t your secret favorites

15:51

that so that's the joke isn't for you my secret

15:53

favorites is this a way of making every

15:55

reader feel like it's actually dedicated to

15:57

them cause i could i could believe

15:59

your secret favorite anybody could be it's this

16:02

is like the new carly simon it's a lot

16:04

of singers that in a swedish or twenty twenty

16:06

wouldn't that mick jagger wouldn't

16:08

your so

16:09

about mick jagger or what at all was a new

16:11

order know about the puja is it settled has

16:13

the science been settled i don't know remember

16:15

it but did you read there was a recent headline

16:17

where he was like he just

16:20

talked about you added now he was like i didn't

16:22

realize i heard her so much i well and

16:25

i i have the lyrically

16:27

the cross eyed bear that you gave

16:29

to me like he gave her a cross eyed teddy

16:31

bear of this is a monster and on

16:33

the here would like poets the crash i

16:35

bear

16:36

multiple meeting there could be a little for

16:38

side bear which is chilling and point it's

16:42

, going do it that

16:44

much of a so the about that i thought

16:46

they were kids or whatnot across whatnot teddy bear ran

16:49

what with the question over there was never

16:51

an observation of your of your mysterious

16:53

that of your would you your suggestions an actual

16:55

question and congress because are a lot

16:57

of actual their their lot of kind of what i would say

16:59

amazon theories on

17:01

know i just sort of like the ways of looking at at

17:04

yourself and your place it in the universe

17:06

and play some acting actors like to do these

17:09

things that you kind of came up with as you started the writing

17:11

process like the barbie vs cel

17:13

i'm saying is that something you've talked about for years

17:15

that as your writing white of this is how i think it's actual

17:18

eyes how i feel about these discover

17:20

code switching this kind of different personalities

17:22

that

17:23

yeah so there's an essay that

17:25

i right

17:28

i right in the book about

17:30

that called feel him versus barbie and it really

17:32

is about sort of authentic self vs

17:34

present itself

17:36

and i

17:38

yeah i think my brain has always

17:40

been crowded and metaphor he in

17:43

a way

17:43

that my husband the therapist have asked

17:45

me to tone down for clarity and my

17:47

editor certainly in the world at large

17:50

so i thought i'd double down

17:52

and really lean in the too confusing

17:55

roundabout metaphors and

17:58

you know

17:59

speaking of neuroses

18:02

thinking about thing kind of

18:04

mystically and metaphorically

18:06

make me an

18:08

and fast less about

18:11

the thing that i

18:14

don't know not don't matter but like

18:17

a lot of night acting processes

18:19

thinking about ah you know i

18:22

write a time her

18:25

preparing for a role and it's and lot of weird

18:28

metaphors like that and i think

18:30

it's just like it's almost like a little cat toy

18:32

for my bridge like think about a pine tree

18:34

metaphor instead of whether

18:36

or not

18:37

the shape of your face sucks in the

18:39

camera camera angle

18:40

but yeah

18:42

numbers by

18:43

the it with away from me to make sense

18:45

of what it feels like to have

18:48

being a kind of my

18:51

most cave woman authentic

18:53

thou in apart

18:55

the my job

18:58

and also the getting

19:00

have that job and selling of that

19:02

work involved

19:05

the opposite of authentic selves to be

19:07

like the most barbie

19:09

yes

19:10

they'd still to react version of myself

19:13

and sort

19:13

commuting between those two thing

19:17

yeah little bit i know we talked in the past

19:19

and you talking the book about that mean in one

19:21

way it's encapsulates yorkers in the nurse jackie

19:24

role perhaps as it's a good example

19:26

of that right in terms of like yes

19:28

i'm going on the outside i'm going i'm

19:31

the as your bimbo as your barbie

19:33

but i'm trying kind of like something

19:36

in the back door the

19:38

writing said yes yeah

19:40

yeah write about am

19:42

that job that basically

19:45

one

19:46

hubert he sort of i find me this

19:49

identity that i didn't feel and replied

19:51

that with sort of the opposite of

19:53

in high school i had

19:55

the know curves super trainee

19:57

like

19:58

kind of really murray wallflower

19:59

earth them and then all

20:02

of a sudden i was

20:03

the

20:05

it's super the caribbean barbier

20:07

or whatever and i i with

20:10

sort of of being cast

20:12

as part where

20:14

fab

20:15

now

20:16

green with empty

20:17

my pants were at my ankles and

20:19

i you know you get all of

20:22

those gladly ,

20:24

qualify for health insurance and

20:26

, jackie with sort of a particular

20:30

perfect allegory for how i felt all the time

20:33

which was like assuring the

20:36

brow then charge that i was gonna check

20:38

the bradshaw boxes

20:41

then trying to get the

20:44

cerebral feminist play right to

20:46

wrote the show to believe that i

20:49

the actually the lemur wallflower person

20:51

and

20:52

what we wanted to the a character actress

20:54

and like please can we strike

20:57

a deal where if i pressed my

20:59

aerial and against the lens every other episode

21:01

i can also like do weird things

21:03

with my face and a funny walk

21:06

they let me that was actually in the contract is

21:08

an accident with that right it is as

21:10

silence com i

21:13

made the warriors the warriors have the draft at all

21:15

nothing

21:17

that i get really emails that i

21:19

get for my lawyers big like do you accept

21:22

the visibility

21:24

up your butt cheeks and the sex oh yes

21:27

i also just want to sam and empowered breadwinner

21:29

and very proud feminist

21:31

wave of where i am and yes i consent

21:33

about you

21:38

as everybody like in your close personal

21:40

circle read the book out like who would you want to read

21:42

the book do depth definitely not want to read

21:44

this book

21:45

the hood

21:48

who do not want to read the book

21:50

i mean

21:52

the funny i my only other experience

21:54

with writing publicly

21:57

is i've had you

21:59

know maybe

21:59

five six essays published

22:03

air quotes on the line

22:05

and and some i guess and prince

22:08

parchment

22:09

i'm and the process has really

22:11

been like i in

22:14

the pasture owns a tired

22:17

gargoyle in the corner of my ram plane

22:19

shit out an essay then they

22:21

can be gets posted and the

22:24

you know twelve people

22:26

i love and sixteen

22:28

people i don't know where like say i

22:30

saw that mcgraw thing and that's it

22:34

where i hear third hand about the negative response

22:37

and do you know it takes a couple of days to

22:39

shake off thought the

22:41

book would be like that and i'm

22:43

realizing it's not much

22:46

more like more like to spend

22:49

you know know

22:51

do but like i i do want the book to

22:53

do well and i want people to read it but it's

22:55

sam

22:56

i don't know it's a constant battle of

23:01

the

23:02

that my brain

23:03

are you want anyone to read and i'm a very private

23:06

group the one eight and right

23:07

the other fab if i want everyone to

23:09

be didn't understand me and then on my problems or

23:11

this off so you know everyone

23:13

and no everyone is the answer

23:15

what will the movie star with a serial killer kitchen

23:18

know who they're talking about when when i when

23:20

they run the evaluated fact

23:22

my mom

23:26

no name names too much too offer you

23:28

don't even name with the projects you can happily put

23:30

us together be like yes well

23:32

athena that's athena conscious decision obviously like

23:35

yes yeah i probably don't probably name

23:37

or

23:38

the project because

23:41

the two things i think i was super

23:44

afraid that people

23:46

would think that i wrote a book

23:49

because i thought i was someone

23:51

who had enough name recognition

23:53

the people could be like

23:55

that i would write a book that's like

23:57

when i'm on fat hear the tricks and

23:59

trades of

23:59

if the person you know and

24:02

actually it's sort of like

24:06

really the opposite that i just want

24:09

i want the reader to be able to place themselves

24:12

in my situation even

24:14

if they're not in the entertainment business and

24:18

yeah i i i

24:20

thought the anonymity of it would sort

24:22

of help that happen

24:25

what is reacting i would argue is buried related

24:27

will whether you're in the industry or not and i can i

24:29

doubt like dolly parton

24:31

memoir or jailers memoir talks about

24:33

sitting there pants that feels like a lot

24:35

of success success as a normal would say

24:38

benefit from that i'm

24:40

sure dolly parton and general up at

24:42

of shit their pants i was probably like

24:45

six thousand dollar sick

24:46

and for me it wasn't as expensive

24:49

yeah yeah

24:51

you can bring that up age i talk about

24:53

bravely shitting my pants at work look

24:56

i've been a like i had i wonder y nada

24:58

your martha obviously there's

25:01

your pants aware working now

25:06

life though

25:07

my brother's giants my brother shahbaz

25:09

yeah i'm doing the

25:11

i believe the declaration of independence or bill

25:13

of rights very , by

25:16

it over romeo patriot really is

25:18

exactly exactly exactly

25:21

didn't say well rather hairy or hairy of

25:24

the see this is why your subtle and hoping

25:26

it'll be yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

25:29

this podcast is barely halfway through we'll see

25:31

what happens by what under yeah

25:34

it'll be recited my social security number to

25:37

the tune of the national anthem

25:39

do you feel like a their

25:41

ip the recent got a it's it's it's an interesting

25:43

book because i also feel like you tell

25:45

me like rethinking of a specific audience and mine

25:48

for this because it it and some chapters

25:50

are really dive more into this like it

25:52

feels like you're speaking to almost the younger self

25:54

or young actor or actress like third

25:56

there's actual real useful i

25:59

don't know like

25:59

yeah the curtain on

26:02

to some real nitty gritty of what it's

26:04

like

26:05

the just be a human in this insane

26:07

work

26:08

yeah yeah and i think that i'm

26:10

i wanted to poke fun at

26:12

this particular moment in

26:15

time where you know i'm thirty

26:17

six i've been acting professionalism

26:21

two thousand set

26:24

on and the

26:26

i think that and particularly

26:28

actors my age

26:30

are having to sort of them

26:33

straddle this

26:34

in a like pretending we've always

26:37

been apart the solution and everything

26:39

six now and just

26:41

don't watch my work at from two thousand

26:43

and six to twenty fifteen and

26:45

were that like i think that and

26:48

and were feminism is right now that you

26:50

know i think we're just so quick to try

26:52

to

26:54

sell them march of a victory

26:56

socially

26:57

for having the victory itself

26:59

and to erase

27:01

the discretion or am

27:03

stands on our history by

27:06

just saying okay everything fix the end

27:09

yeah know i think that we're

27:12

sort of in this time where

27:15

i talk about being an actor now feels

27:17

like we're both it pretending

27:20

we're pretending twenty sixty three while

27:22

also still being and nineteen fifty two

27:24

right

27:25

the end

27:27

you know i think being a

27:30

woman right now feels like that

27:32

that

27:34

yeah no i i

27:36

i'll her talk about like as were getting

27:39

the doctor said more

27:42

producer credit and as many fart

27:44

jokes so rises the smoke

27:46

and mirrors demands as

27:48

how we're meant to look

27:51

can be and sort of like the

27:54

are most authentic self will also been the most

27:57

fantasy south the

27:59

ever

27:59

really am and

28:02

i just feel so oxymoron

28:04

i can

28:05

really

28:06

the also been fun if not you

28:09

know i don't and com these

28:11

issues are should be the number one

28:13

cover of the new york times like we must

28:15

stop on touring cheeks

28:18

for , children's future you

28:20

know i'll have a contour at

28:23

but it just is funny that we're sort

28:25

of am doing these two things

28:27

at once and like where is this gonna go is

28:30

this are we

28:31

fixing everything or are

28:33

we making everything worth and on out

28:37

where does get so like

28:39

remember in our last shot and and is in

28:41

reading the book if it if you talk about it

28:43

kind of having low expectations for yourself

28:46

especially kind of like a the beginning of your career

28:48

and even a couple years ago we were chatting you are joking

28:51

about like you know being

28:54

the mom of elle fanning on a sitcom a

28:57

common two years which are not the still

28:59

sounds like an intriguing possibility intriguing

29:01

wouldn't little so how does like okay

29:03

this the existence of this book and

29:06

the really cool places even

29:08

post glow which is like probably a scary

29:10

moments where your career has

29:12

gone yeah gone yeah the new

29:15

so i think you're filming right now how does

29:17

not yet i've with betty self

29:19

doubting it's all about the come

29:21

crashing down the moment

29:23

are you are you less hard on yourself now in that

29:25

realm could like yeah i can i'm on

29:27

a bit of ride let me enjoy the ride

29:30

it may not be as bleak as i've made adopted

29:32

a total of god i hope it all it mean you

29:35

know i'm definitely having to do some

29:39

identity aca rearranging

29:41

and and just think were like oh it doesn't

29:45

you know ah

29:47

i don't want to name names but i see myself

29:50

in other people who are still trying

29:52

to do

29:53

the

29:54

shop g with me

29:57

personality branding when they're like

29:59

trillion hours

30:01

many awards where

30:03

you're like a like it doesn't really work anymore

30:07

i don't get to play the cards yeah my outfielder

30:09

files and people can't be my cart

30:11

anymore really because

30:15

you know i remember

30:17

here like you know when i was not working

30:19

ends rock

30:22

and talking to my friends who were

30:24

working and we're not

30:26

broke hearing them and

30:29

be self deprecating

30:30

i be like shut the fuck

30:32

out

30:33

my no longer a hazard

30:35

yeah and also like it's just it's

30:37

meal

30:38

oh yeah i'm you know

30:40

i think that for

30:43

me finding that balance of like the

30:45

being honest about having a healthy

30:48

santos still thou

30:51

clothing and making fun of myself while also

30:53

been like i can't deny that

30:54

i am a person

30:57

one thing how

30:59

the cheapest some of them and it's proud

31:01

of those in tiedemann while still

31:03

being very aware that it often which

31:06

i also think that

31:07

the benefits just changing were

31:10

you know

31:11

there's so much content

31:13

and so many

31:15

can organ whatever that being

31:17

a working actor who is you know

31:20

out there and as i gazed it doesn't

31:22

necessarily mean that you're

31:24

famous

31:25

there's just so many

31:27

people out there and show them whatever

31:29

affair

31:31

and it kind of mean that you can

31:33

try to carve out a sort of

31:36

your you're weird corner like what's

31:38

your version of this doesn't it's not

31:40

only like your the try

31:42

and get to this one echelon that's the only

31:44

echelon that this or failure

31:46

like

31:48

i'm on a peacock show it was not a star

31:50

show before that only some people

31:52

have stars and peacock josh and

31:55

i love it because i can go to the

31:57

bodega a with like i

31:59

crushed

31:59

getting the left i clothes and

32:02

i don't recognize maybe

32:04

once a year

32:06

if that

32:08

and it probably five

32:10

either again and with a specific compliments

32:12

for a straight man who are

32:14

the cut my head off and put it on his shell

32:16

and listen

32:18

they'll about mm and i really appreciate about

32:20

merit their words

32:21

current trend when , only one

32:24

and ran from the other i fit neither of those

32:26

and i would scream out just remember that sadder

32:28

samson or books or

32:36

use of the beginning of august pandemic

32:39

or toilets was cabbie office with the pennant was

32:41

insane for everybody and was just real

32:43

was just thing by and career still get one

32:45

thing but one thing that caviar

32:47

the beginning the pandemic was particularly interesting

32:49

career wise for you because the

32:52

hunt was the last movie i saw in the theater for about

32:54

two years or against his

32:56

same on which by the way

32:59

kind of got lost sally and it's honestly a legitimately

33:01

great movie any are clamoring the dame and again and like

33:04

ghastly adore bomb

33:06

and then also you guys were kind of went

33:08

to the first casualties tt

33:10

wise go with yeah henry

33:13

shoppers episode you are into i think was

33:15

the fourth season i think yeah and yeah yeah

33:18

so i guess i don't

33:20

know how to summarize that period for you but like

33:22

that must have been a little bit of a mind fuck that kind of like

33:25

of i'm a career perspective of like wait

33:27

the the biggest opportunity feature film

33:29

why some my career filmed i'm very proud of

33:31

how to let him deeply polarizing and then

33:33

ignored six the endemic and

33:36

then yes the the role of a lifetime was just

33:38

kind of pulled away prematurely with no actual

33:40

closes yeah i mean you

33:42

know i

33:45

something i try to

33:47

right about in the book is having

33:49

their

33:51

idea that

33:54

your

33:55

the dream and specifically

33:57

you not having this version of yourself

33:59

or what you want to do

34:01

buried inside all this neuroses that we're talking

34:03

about and having that same

34:05

coming out into the world like

34:08

you externalising that buried

34:10

thing very different

34:13

then

34:15

public validation

34:17

like having you do the thing that

34:19

you were

34:20

gear that you'd never do rent

34:23

and is different than having

34:25

the world say

34:26

it

34:27

i love you and i we are accepted or when

34:29

and

34:31

lion hunting way warriors a little more and promote

34:33

importance of with exactly and

34:35

i think that and it's so

34:37

easy to get those two things confused

34:40

and

34:42

the hunt for me is weirdly

34:45

that exact thing that i

34:47

you know

34:48

when

34:50

when they were casting it ah

34:52

i was shooting

34:55

i was shooting weathering heights

34:57

and one that i'm sorry a shooting a dog

34:59

purpose to

34:59

when impact on and i

35:03

know

35:04

and i will sort of lakes

35:07

sort of resigned like okay

35:10

there's a thing that i want

35:11

do and a character that i want to play

35:13

and the kind of actor i want to be and

35:15

the didn't you just never gonna let me be

35:18

back and i have to be rewritten

35:20

realistic about it and i'm gonna be the drunk

35:22

mom and a dog's purpose to and that kennedy

35:24

what i'm going to do and then the

35:26

hunt came along

35:27

i thought was really hard for that part

35:30

i would like oh man that is what

35:33

this is my opportunity to do the thing

35:36

and then i really did the

35:38

thing the thing what i wanted to do with

35:41

heart

35:42

and it was

35:44

completely life changing experience

35:47

and you know it's not a life changing

35:49

movie i love that movie but

35:51

it's not like

35:53

the the the magic an alchemy that

35:56

you feel doing something is

35:58

ultimately it's it's

35:59

the read the book or it's a you

36:02

know painting like italy

36:04

i'm it never gonna the result

36:06

in there

36:06

going to be a magical experience

36:09

that doesn't change the experience

36:12

and

36:13

when that yeah yeah

36:15

i , where the guy who is the president before

36:17

joe biden i'm forgetting his name but

36:20

he tweeted about the trailer

36:22

for as the huns

36:24

the and

36:25

it made the internet sceptics

36:27

explode

36:29

and then six and then the movie was pulled

36:32

like universal cancel that it

36:34

felt like oh my god my

36:36

okay it's trashed in this

36:39

the movie that no one will get to ever see six

36:41

month later the universal

36:43

with like okay we're going to put it out here

36:46

is the moment then

36:48

it came out march thirteenth twenty twenty

36:50

and theaters cause two days later

36:52

the guy news is i hear

36:54

trump what is this he has shit his

36:56

pants many times same as

36:59

a physicist either

37:01

i or that's something i'm thinking about our

37:03

sorry that name i forget who it is

37:06

it has been him with carl

37:09

now

37:09

i'm at

37:12

but yeah it really is still

37:16

got to do the game and even though

37:18

it

37:19

you no buried on netflix somewhere

37:22

that kind of a better personality fit for me

37:24

honestly

37:24

no i completely yeah

37:27

some costs on hundred on netflix know

37:29

proud of it and then on then glow from

37:32

which is a bit of a different situation because you didn't catch

37:34

the didn't mean honestly if you spent

37:36

several years on it to go to like

37:38

experience all that i guess

37:40

my question on on the end of of what

37:42

glow was is like to that feel

37:44

at the time like we tried

37:46

everything we possibly could to figure out a way to

37:48

do this like what were you one of the one saying like

37:51

wait what about this let's let's go to a peacock let's

37:53

put it on caribbean six minute

37:55

increments like let's do something to finish

37:57

this guy's or were you kinda like at some point

38:00

it took out we got three three years out of the summer

38:02

and

38:03

in north three years were

38:05

pretty fucking magic and yeah

38:07

i was i was super sad that

38:09

we didn't get to finish out

38:11

the season for you know maybe someday

38:14

something will happen but i

38:17

you know

38:18

it will

38:20

when he twenty

38:21

and the the lesson

38:24

allah

38:25

the home fans you know

38:28

the try to crumbling i just didn't want

38:30

to

38:32

tone das in that

38:35

you know

38:37

ringing a bell and the town were saying

38:39

the most devastating part of march

38:42

twenty twenty is that a

38:44

tv show got cancelled in the fourth season

38:46

i was i just felt like

38:50

kind of super protective

38:53

i don't know the world know

38:57

, yeah the

39:00

drug deaths of great answer to your answer

39:03

your your the middle i believe of shooting missiles davis

39:05

is to have that rifle become yes yes

39:07

i am i doing

39:08

it's the peacock show that i'm

39:10

the genius woman tara hernandez

39:13

and damon lindelof created and playing and

39:15

nine

39:17

fighting an ai is that

39:19

the log line

39:19

it is what i believe i found yes it's

39:22

a great point a better you play a non

39:24

who goes to battle against an all powerful artificial

39:26

intelligence excellent at they'll drop

39:28

that in tomorrow and and filming and

39:31

i've ended yeah

39:33

they are going to say just as get a i

39:35

know damon pretty well over the years

39:37

and he's the best of it sounds like it's encapsulates

39:40

the faith vs science thing which

39:42

is at the core of much of his

39:44

urology and work on

39:47

i was provocative always fascinating i'm

39:50

tiny can't say much but this feels

39:52

it's a little less little will live as yes this

39:55

might be my favorite job i've ever had i

39:58

yeah i think i will

40:00

be like

40:02

up

40:02

no i've heard dame and painted the color of best

40:05

and i came to my head

40:07

by say anything besides the besides the

40:10

online but i

40:12

it

40:13

it's gonna be wild and it's just been

40:15

so far a couple months of me running

40:18

around in a wall

40:20

habit

40:21

in a hundred and two degrees

40:23

in the desert

40:24

the got in designer is very much british and

40:26

i don't think i understood what the desert felt like

40:29

but listen

40:30

my grandma three were you the

40:32

one that told a daemon to tell

40:34

the internet that there should be less marvel movies

40:36

and nother of with pitchforks after

40:39

him against every time that poor man opens his mouth

40:42

the nerds of the internet are ready to strike

40:46

god well i'm

40:48

if i do everything you just that i wasn't aware of it

40:50

and we have ah on my lawyers

40:52

me too not comment at the site on only to say

40:54

that dame is a genius

40:57

who the huge marvel fan

40:59

you're not yeah yeah yeah

41:01

i know you hated the end of last so that's okay we

41:03

watch me that i'm has just returned so

41:09

i'm ah we've been talking comfort

41:11

movies since or the global pandemic

41:13

the sensitive years ago because we all needed comfort

41:15

of and asking every guess to choose one you

41:18

you greedy lady to worry so

41:22

will you begin with it you know why i

41:24

went to i want to mention all three and they

41:27

are we have our moments when one is into what the exactly

41:29

what is it is mean under do we start sequentially

41:31

back in time where do we have that

41:34

yeah let's go yeah guy but local

41:36

jerry maguire are you get

41:38

it was just gonna get focus upon jurors

41:40

mcguire the surrendered that reversal

41:43

of bracken like that

41:44

during mcguire wonderful term ago

41:46

i think this might be or second tower can we protect

41:48

us some stuff went on almost famous ah

41:51

i'm term mcguire a mock

41:53

of summarize the people know it or mcguire suffixes

41:55

his podcast books when when when

41:57

did as he did you do remember seeing this

41:59

when it came out what yeah i wince

42:02

to remember the rodeo donald show

42:05

place who am i went of an audience

42:07

member and we all got vhs

42:09

is of during mcguire under our feet

42:12

it was why at the audience

42:14

went ha

42:16

i was wearing

42:16

sunflower balloon pants

42:19

the playing cab and i lost

42:21

my mind

42:22

i'm in seven

42:24

yeah

42:26

my friend the week than and

42:28

we're talking about

42:29

it recently that like it's such a masterclass

42:33

in

42:34

acting on the line which

42:36

means like tom cruise that uses

42:38

the texts like it shakespeare and

42:41

you , i think there's such a an

42:45

immediate

42:46

i used to be like or matthew mcconaughey and

42:48

tom cruise sad that they're not and ocean's eleven

42:51

and i feel like jerry maguire the

42:53

reason why

42:55

tom cruise actually better than ocean's eleven

42:57

because there's such a movie star

43:00

thing star thing

43:01

are you just play sleep is data

43:04

where you're just better than everyone in a little tired

43:07

noise on the backfoot knowledge like

43:10

the that right and tom cruise during

43:13

a buyer it's like be envision

43:15

is going and

43:18

he the stakes are high he's

43:20

using the words he's making a thousand choices

43:24

the to me it's so refreshing i feel

43:26

like

43:27

often the actresses

43:29

the unit mean in i'm are we are

43:31

having to do the back flips and

43:33

the

43:34

jan am the choices and

43:36

that like you have to say

43:37

the and be gorgeous ethic off your clothes

43:39

and it's like and the guys are just sort of

43:41

sleepy saddest and like yeah sounds about

43:43

right and

43:44

frank router the hundred back flips percy

43:47

and sometimes literally sometime

43:49

yeah exactly yeah and

43:51

it's just it's so refreshing to me

43:54

i love that that is grim alice's and i've not thought

43:56

about it that would you do really most

43:58

sue me there are one of the able

44:00

to use the engine but you got roger

44:02

that dorsey you've got

44:04

a great ensemble who would character you

44:07

connect with enough so

44:14

kid who talks about how big the human head is

44:16

navy navy you

44:20

, i think i probably really

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said

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i mean bonny hunt is is guidance

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the one chief the ocean veillette she's

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the danny ocean sheath the flea be sad

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as you like

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tired better than these people and

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now i think

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probably jerry just being

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though embarrassingly it's it's his passion

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is trapped in a business it doesn't value hip

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and that

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that's what the bucket

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can i could bring

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it all around have you ever met mr

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tom cruise better

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i have not

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then he was

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regret that patent pending about

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them me that , i just slam

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my computer cloak thing about that would

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you want to be in a mission impossible movies this your sly

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audition tape to be to hang off

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hang airplane with tom cruise the jump into a volcano

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tom cruise

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hereditary really i have irish and

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gold which are week

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and i think jumping off

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a curb

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honestly is a threat to those ankles

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and i worry about them

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a helicopter setting

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we could talk through the hans we

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saw you kick floor is like that you're

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okay my ankles heard so much now i

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am i

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my body hurt from

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the things i've done to it and every passing

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month maybe tenure the guy couldn't but listen

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and sixty seven i know i look great but i'm sixty

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seven years old and i can

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the i'm turning down a mission impossible movie

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felt i'm happy to miss lifelines

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and go to minsk they

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are they you get an email today saying

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look we we go get out had

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a great run but we need a new wonder woman betty

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here lady of you in exactly

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what are your next year old or g rejected

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on the basis that you're going to have to face your fears

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and go to comic-con and see six thousand of me

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in a room staring at him i've been to conduct an

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eye and a i

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did a [unk]

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like

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women who kick ass empowerment

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panel in hall h that way

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it before the marble panel so

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in the audience with only marvel people

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who didn't wanna see our panel so

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i've done it and i'm and the house would

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like

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i watched it happen in slow

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motion

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you heard any liberty bell

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in the audience

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it was

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this is not an actual humble

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we the mine in my life that yeah yeah

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it was i think i may i contact with someone

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like a dragon had their

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like i'm sorry

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help empirically nothing

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, love for the marvel community or

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i'm sore the next go round and are shot

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look back and laugh as you're playing you

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know captain marvel's sister for the fourth

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time international

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, i'm

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it's always a good always pleasure truly to catch

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up your the best or this book best or this great i

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really i really target honestly i

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think women in my brain or and

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other concerns you get bonus material other

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concerns as well or and have any concerns

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current

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the walk with our the shooting my best

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the damon and on yes hopefully i will

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see a therapist

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them think dot and so

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ends another edition of hockey sized

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confused remember to review

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right and

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right to be so on i tunes or wherever

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you get your focus on

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i'm daisy ridley an idea he was