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propeller is humans happy

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sad confused, dickens

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today

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on happy sad confused

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an hour with tom hanks

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hey guys josh are

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was one to another edition of happy sad

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confused yeah this yeah of those

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shows that doesn't need much preamble

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a kind of sells itself

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you're either an or you're out and if you're out i

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don't know what's wrong with you i present

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to you today guys a

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feast for the ears and

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he i'm a true treasure

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trove of hollywood stories

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of creativity and passion

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i'm tom hanks is the guess been

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happy said confused today he has

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been and i'm sure i'm echoing

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something that any number of you all

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of you perhaps could say he's been a

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huge part my

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wife the last thirty five years as much

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as anyone can be on the who's

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nos you know what family members he

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has contributed so so much

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to my love of films on truly

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dozens of remarkable

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our performances films that

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are part of the fabric of

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movie history and it's not hyperbole

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yes sometimes i can get little carried away this is

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tom hanks there's no getting carried away with a two time

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oscar winner on tom hanks

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a winner for or his roles

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and philadelphia forrest gump

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and frankly probably could one two or

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three other times at least if

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you really look at dig into the filmography

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on this was a

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everything i had hoped it would be

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an hour long plus chat

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with tom hanks ah much

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he came to play

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with stories with a great attitude

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arm and info on

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tom hanks of people were asking me after the people

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i told that of can talk to him they ask me for the fact

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how was he i said tom hanks is really

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good at being tom hanks ah

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i don't know if it's performance enhancing it is

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i think he's just a hundred and

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thousand hundred thousand percentile next door

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at all times on which is a the say

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he's bright and sunny at all

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times i'm sorry not but

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he has that spirit

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that is so familiar to us that

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shines through and in so

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many interviews and so many performances

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and this was just

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like i had a great in my face the entire time and you can

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watch that grin if you so choose if you want to watch

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this conversation i and i highly recommend

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is in the show notes any way back

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to mr hanks and i won't

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go on too long because i said this is 8 hour

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long conversation, this is a lengthy one

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and you're going want to hear every little

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bit and morsel pokemon

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to support his latest

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collaboration with robert zemeckis who,

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of course, it's been a huge part of his

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career, dating back

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to forrest gump he has collaborated

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with him on the new rendition of

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pinocchio debuting on disney, plus

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this friday, check it out anytime

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mr zemeckis you

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know contributes a a new work i am there any time tom

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hanks, contribute to yours there, let one

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they collaborate, it's cold so

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check out pinocchio this friday, as

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well as elvis if you haven't caught up an elvis was

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elvis believe is now available on

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available on a in your homes

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it's it's had an amazing run in theaters i

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would expect a bit of an awards run

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to it's when i a really pleasant surprise

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me to be surprised but i think it was a hopeful

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on i hope for

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a gambit for warner brothers and baz

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luhrmann and certainly a star making

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performance for austin and of course or

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tom as curl tom parker so we

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get into little bit of elvis a lot about pinocchio

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that really mostly guys this is just an

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exploration of tom's career of the

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movies he's been passionate about about

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his love of stanley kubrick about the roles

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that he's and rumor for that perhaps he was

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or wasn't up for we geek out about

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third shift and star wars on

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as i said this was a big big

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one i was so excited going in

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and man tom hanks did not disappoint

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he's not disappoint you either arm

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on i'm going to leave it at that please enjoy

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of this conversation with

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haha appropriate

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for nokia i have like this is like

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having like abraham lincoln and hall of presidents come

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to life this is like having mount rushmore start

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talking to me well it's tom

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hanks on my forehead or partnerships

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don't you mean more either chip in tipper

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dale you know in the guys inside be costumes

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their you're both right when land yeah

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yeah , got me barry habit what he didn't

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know what they're

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you know great moments would miss your league and let me let

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me blow by some the my wall bit now

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ads as now ads know

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i'm authority i mean why

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can speak with authority i'm not an authority but

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i could speak with the he played the man all things just

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because i play focus on the i learned

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an awful lot and great moments with

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mister lengthen which was put together for the nineteen

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sixty four flushing meadows world's

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fair ah ,

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a bonfire i mean everybody loved it along

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with hey hey hey bg carousel

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the progress and at the

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last minute literally at the last

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minute it's a small world

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in which the out there the dear

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sir richard brothers

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i mean he quit staff do i have the

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[unk] mane a sermon brothers but a sherman brothers

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richard sherman and his brother i'm

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they were essentially told like on a minute's

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notice that they were going to be writing team

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to a new attraction sponsored by the bank

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of america by the way called it's a

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small world and as they were walking from the

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announcement of

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a in which disney sort of like impromptu

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said and they will be a third a

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attraction at the world's fair and it's going to call it

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it's a small world will be brought to you by

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my friends at bank of america and

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, sherman brothers looked at each other said is that

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we are we're writing that song and as

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they were walking from the meetings and how are we going to write

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the song i mean what am i wouldn't say it's

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a small world as well you know know

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is a small world after all and

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there you go now and let's sing one

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two three whitney sarah it

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we don't have the right time we can't we're going to get

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to see that is a problem as right

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we can do you know this is now if if

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you look at if you go on a i'm just give

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me a couple more disney that it's here that here because

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i have this is i got they've done a lot for

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you you've done a lot for them you might as if if you

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take if you if you parse

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out your voyage on a

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is a small world you might notice that it has

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a slightly let me how do

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you mean it's since become sacrosanct it's

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gorgeous as classic everybody loves it but

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it has a cobble together feel to it don't mean

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you can see the cables all round

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cables are not the most lifelike

7:23

of characters and some of them really only do

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one thing you know their head spins around

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or their eyebrows go up and down or up

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like that and ah here's one

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little tidbit is the a flotation

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devices the trough and boats

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that sale that's slowly go through

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a it's a small world same technology

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as it's pirates of the caribbean you're

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in a boat that goes you know flows with water

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have had to take into account the growing

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weight gain cut your

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average american so they're not

7:53

as nepotistic they have more

7:55

flotation on the net and quite

7:57

frankly people a lot of student so

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you don't

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the sums up the state of the way i get out

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next time you there

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this is the gift and the curse of talking to tom hanks

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is item name any subject and you can

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pontificates beautifully

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for ten fifteen i can let you go i am

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i am a miserable dinner party guess

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i side with i literally i punctuate

8:16

all these stories with am i talking too much

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to somebody else interrupt me hear what

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else would you like to know i'm going to be of central

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died on the stern riot our our

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a walk you through the whole process so up there

8:27

are a ten thousand different conversations

8:29

to be hard with tom hanks i'm trying i'm trying

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to figure out with what to do where to

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go and i figured look as a big old

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nerd since you are talking a little bit

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about nokia you're you're clever oh yes

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the military stuff about pinocchio it's ask

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what i want to talk about his bat your filmmaker collaboration

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because you've worked with the best of them and let let's

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let's start with mrs are some meccas after

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it's been a minute since you guys have collaborators

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actually saw me how long it's been

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to me about because here's what i think

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of what when i think of robert zemeckis i certainly think

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of the technical know how and he gets a lot of

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justifiable praise for that but

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them i really dig into his films i do honestly

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think about emotion i think about how we can

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wreck me in cast

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away if the and back to the future at

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forrest gump what is the secret

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sauce over the years that you've noticed that

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the bob zemeckis delivers what's a quintessential

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he's a he's a man he's a man possessed with

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man desire to do to do something that nobody

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else has done

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sometimes it's technically but are often

9:26

time to schematic you know what are we

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really examining and

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ah it is constantly challenge

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you mitchell your story about bar

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bob was he , in the south

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side of chicago chicago the most

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average of lower middle class row

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houses there is actually at a time where you can

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actually go hunting out the back yard and

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south chicago so that long time long

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the sell side the and he

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was he was doing things like he

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had things like ski

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had a job ever did it it making

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instructional films for the evan rude

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outboard motor company of a little

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outboard motors your for boats and

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he went in there are any took some of the equipment

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you know some of that the cameras

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and movie elders and whatnot and he

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ended up making like videos to beatles

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songs with sound

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around on so he was always playing

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around with making movies and

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he was sitting in his she was sitting in his basement

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rec room one day watching the

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johnny carson show in the sixties

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on , our and guess was

10:33

jerry lewis believe it or not and johnny

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ask your hey jerry why you up to now

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and he says well i'm ah i'm teaching

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ah i'm e what he said he's teaching a seminar

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on so making at the u

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s c film school ah

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and bob said i was in

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there alone and i heard jerry

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, say he was teaching a seminar

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at the u s c film school and

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i stood up and i yelled at the top of my

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lungs lungs such a thing

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as a film school

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and from then he was possessed and the story

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of how we got into us he is actually quite legend

11:09

quite and how we stayed at us he

11:11

was really quite legendary because a long

11:13

story i'll be bought tell be that and

11:16

this translates to a moment ah

11:18

the first time we work together which was

11:20

on forrest gump and we were shooting scenes

11:23

were ashes very shooting a ashes scene

11:25

where a force was playing ping

11:27

pong and a guy comes and to say

11:29

it did in a in a in the hospital and

11:31

of better in the wounded or wounded hospital

11:33

and in saigon and

11:35

as some guy comes in and a uniform misses a

11:38

private competition yes sir he said you had just

11:40

been awarded the congressional medal of honor and

11:43

i shed some light oh and bob i

11:45

was lash out of the night and

11:47

we were tried bob was like

11:49

what and we didn't in i am and how do we do

11:52

this and rearing their in iran

11:54

and iran symbol bob how about if i'm here playing pinball

11:57

and the guy comes in and ask the question

11:59

and question stopped lang ping pong and

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, that's how we do the scene and he looked at me like

12:04

i was he said he was angry

12:06

at me as fish and balled up in the the

12:08

veins on its attendant and his neck

12:10

you know clinched and he said well how anybody

12:13

can do that and

12:16

from that if you look at go back and look at the movie

12:18

now we added a special effect in which

12:20

there's a little tape square the ping pong table

12:22

is up that is flipped up sent an

12:24

for suggests hitting rockets back and forth

12:26

to get a ticket to get addicted to get a dig at addicts

12:29

and we had to come up with away in order for me

12:31

to set the ping pong paddle down

12:33

with the ball on it under it and

12:35

stand at attention and the

12:37

the ball was optical there was a cg eyeball

12:40

but so i had a palm a

12:42

, ah ping pong ball in my

12:44

unused fist when a camera on do

12:46

it and that's the way bob approaches

12:48

not just the a technical version of a shot

12:51

but literally every moment

12:53

of the dialogue working

12:56

with bob you sit with everybody in the movie

12:58

for about two weeks and you discuss the

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movie and it doesn't matter if you're in the scene

13:02

or not if you have an opinion of what

13:05

works and what does it because bomb just as well what do you

13:07

think about that but which went when you when you think about

13:09

what we're doing that and

13:11

everybody gets to put the input

13:14

something and you end up getting something from

13:16

the other people that are in the

13:18

in the film is at me sorry going to turn off

13:20

maya off my

13:23

ongoing government notifications

13:26

look , that that receive

13:28

seems that way i kind of com have to take this

13:30

because it seems a prince in nairobi needs a

13:34

bar here i turn that off on that better

13:37

way bob works and we have done that over and

13:39

have done that i guess what this is

13:41

our for swerve let me think

13:43

what movies are see us out of here this is

13:45

your fourth go round okay this is our fourth

13:47

go around and every time we've done an

13:49

excellent i'll be starting a system we don't

13:52

yeah talk about now in that kinda kinda

13:54

after the first to the x and they are

13:56

all they have all been these

13:58

deep throws of not

14:00

just you know how do we make this movie

14:03

but also what is the story worth telling what is his team

14:05

were examining and why why are we bothering

14:07

with all of this now , would think

14:09

then then what's the point of doing as

14:12

commercial a enterprise a

14:14

tent pole classic classic

14:16

pinocchio and a

14:18

both the the i said bob she you really want

14:20

it is a bomb i i'm going to be a part of what

14:22

you are going to do with when you wish upon

14:25

a star this is this is yeah

14:27

when you marry one iconic thing with another

14:30

on yeah let's let's go to

14:32

it and i'm a and i have

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i have spent a let's see bob

14:36

and i first worked together what the hell year was

14:38

at nineteen ninety three war was ninety first

14:41

came out a knife so we made it a shot at

14:43

and ninety three and i he and

14:45

i have got together about every six weeks

14:47

or so since we got were you doing what

14:49

what are you coming up coming an awful

14:52

lot of six week intervals in the last fifteen years

14:54

between i'm he okay

14:56

i have i have i usurped reality

14:58

here with six weeks and six

15:01

months later the oregon yeah we we

15:03

we roll back into each other

15:05

and reset and we have lunch and we talk

15:07

about everything under the sun life kids

15:10

you know everything but we always come around and

15:12

of you and the the more hilarious aspects

15:14

of the biz you know a

15:16

where it is because i i can tell you about me

15:20

and bob sat down with the with a bunch

15:22

of mucky mucks at at

15:25

get better at he was before saudi

15:27

or whoever we made some will be forced

15:29

to a membership and i we are say we're

15:32

trying to convince them to to release

15:34

the dvd of the movie day and date

15:36

with it doubled anyway so were always playing around

15:38

with that but we , come

15:40

around to on what about

15:43

what is going on or what has gone

15:45

what has deserves the attention

15:47

into work and though the said

15:49

the effort of make a having a movie

15:51

made about and when this one

15:54

came around i just a bubble you do

15:57

like i'm going to do that pinocchio and

15:59

i just you gotta do pedal

16:01

you wanna do japan know or sub

16:04

and i said bob to

16:07

as you know however long it would take for me

16:09

to do to peddle with you would

16:11

be it would be like

16:14

being able to the to being traded

16:16

to the nineteen twenty seven new york yankees

16:19

car and and helping them make a pennant

16:21

run you know out and good or bad

16:23

me right by after lou gehrig or

16:26

something like this because does

16:28

the the the full

16:31

full frontal efforts that

16:33

he puts into the tiniest

16:35

moment even on you know between

16:37

a digital cat in a digital puppet

16:39

and whatever i'm bringing to it

16:43

ends , being just this the

16:45

this magnificent workout and

16:48

in workout and in the guise of revisiting

16:51

one of the b b b other thing i know about

16:53

it has to nokia was a wickedly important

16:56

motion picture in the whole disney

16:58

oeuvre because it was the first feature film

17:00

that use the multi plane or sell

17:02

camera so suddenly

17:05

i'm d pans a

17:08

deep focus became possible on

17:10

a walt disney feature film prior

17:12

to that the only movie that had done it had been a short

17:14

called the old mill which

17:18

is a cartoon but no dialogue

17:20

just sound and music and

17:22

so i wanted to be a i wanted to be the biggest

17:24

part of that and knowing that pinocchio scuse

17:26

me japan know it appears

17:29

through loud if

17:31

if if this was the story of

17:34

his own values yawn in pinocchio john

17:36

bell john i get to plays out there i

17:38

get to constantly be you know the

17:40

be after him throughout so

17:43

, was just gonna be some combination of the revisit

17:45

to something that you know was gonna have to be updated

17:48

to some degree because it

17:50

just much stuff in pinocchio can't new normal

17:52

you can do so you can do societal societal

17:55

well as voice confirm for of was going to

17:57

do you know with monstrous

17:59

and there and the gemini cricket

18:01

who is joseph gordon levitt and everybody

18:03

else it's that's in the cat so yeah wind

18:06

wind up that the great thing about working

18:08

with people more than once fears

18:10

you get right to it isn't a small talk

18:12

there's no getting to know you everybody

18:15

knows how each other's works and so it's a very

18:17

low maintenance kind of thing and i really

18:19

do is you know mix it up as

18:21

opposed to will why are we doing it that way fresh

18:23

what's your what's car yup and bob

18:26

ask that question of me you know subway

18:28

want to do here as well

18:29

they're going to do my while i'm up for our my

18:31

do that way

18:32

one wanna just still is also brave you

18:34

mean you can then we go back and forth on

18:36

that will y u do in it that way and

18:38

, know he though involved and and done

18:40

on earth you know and by the way i agree

18:43

on i'm five nine pulled a number

18:45

of fun boehner is a couple of times

18:47

i i can tell the time bomb you know knocked

18:49

on my trailer door and know you know first

18:51

thing in the morning game and yeah heck i have

18:53

a word with you i said okay what didn't work

18:55

well everything you did yesterday did not

18:57

work so many aspects of

19:00

avenues of the holiday what's not you again to the very

19:02

good sir are right sir let me

19:04

see what else i can come up with and how about this

19:06

and this so it ends up being on are

19:09

you i have you a have of still

19:11

make a me like in a i am

19:13

sad it really only got to do three things with nora

19:15

two films and i'm a

19:17

player father and the play ah

19:20

and did the luxury of being

19:22

of the go back and work with somebody of because

19:24

you take you you reach the level of

19:26

what you did

19:28

i mean you have to surpass that you know

19:30

argue it's like the next year of university

19:33

you know you're you're no longer doing that

19:35

subject one a one year now and and graduate

19:37

studies yeah yeah every every movie afterwards

19:39

becomes grad instance you mentioned nor up on

19:41

those that we were i want to go next as of born

19:43

and bred new yorker number when i or films

19:46

are so so important to me on

19:48

this is my first controversial question of the podcast

19:50

what's a better film sleepless

19:52

in seattle or you've got mail can

19:54

well views which of your children you have

19:58

no man

19:59

are you know i'm going to call and twins

20:02

and and one is not be evil version

20:04

of the other one doesn't have a goatee and wear

20:06

sunglasses they're both that's

20:09

the thing about the bolted and at okay

20:11

nor at okay if you go back and look at

20:13

and sleepless in seattle the you know

20:15

that there's a reference to jerry seinfeld soup

20:17

nazi i don't remember

20:20

there is there's a conversation between rosie

20:23

odonil and dad and

20:25

er mag , which is a do

20:27

not use a guy new york nothing

20:29

but so was i was the

20:31

soup nazi and you're

20:33

always pay you know nor of has her finger

20:35

on the pulse of for

20:38

what she could she always says is yours is is is

20:40

an eye on i never turn down a front row seat

20:42

for human folly which

20:44

, why she was one of the early and contributors

20:46

to the have often posts on

20:49

so she pays attention everything and this

20:51

the the the the conceit

20:54

the time most both films have

20:56

an an awful lot to do with mass media is

20:58

personal contact that comes by way of

21:00

mass media that we now all

21:02

feel because there

21:05

is that ongoing difference between

21:07

having fifty thousand followers on

21:09

your eye on your eye your instagram

21:12

account which can make some people feel fantastic

21:15

and other people have fifteen

21:17

million versions of the naipaul

21:19

rest as well as when we did

21:21

a sleepless in seattle we

21:24

read it i read it instantly

21:26

and i said oh well week yeah let's

21:28

yeah let's do this i think

21:30

it's great and nora suggests i think

21:32

it's great tubes we have to hurry up and

21:34

get the movie done before there's something surpasses

21:37

email or for you and i don't see

21:39

i am a on you've got no so you've got

21:41

mail and he was she was absolutely right and me the idea

21:43

of having to log on to a alone hours this

21:45

point you know kind of like minded or that specificity

21:48

doesn't bother me somehow it a if

21:50

you would think that that would not let went itself

21:52

to having a longevity a long life but

21:54

somehow it works well it comes down

21:56

to it's all an examination of human behavior

21:58

in the young do need to connect

21:59

the and that you know that idea what it

22:02

would call it that the of the realities

22:04

of people project upon people peaches

22:06

heard once on the radio oriental

22:08

got it got an email from smite

22:11

in soviet between your questions

22:13

or need to get , out

22:17

question chancellor of it's a lot more

22:19

runner wander around mid town manhattan

22:21

and you know goes god could still get a cup of soup

22:23

i have to give the be as to any some with

22:25

a rooftop killer subplot that is never realized

22:28

i've always wondered what lifelessness was

22:30

steve zahn the rooftop killer i have

22:32

my off my advice of my

22:35

last question is about

22:37

our big swings is about of performances because

22:40

as as much as not talk about you as

22:42

kind of the every man and some we've done that

22:44

in in many of filming have been are avatar

22:46

at times i often think about the

22:48

big swings and that you only have to look most

22:50

recently us at elvis for instance which

22:52

is a big swing one have you ever

22:55

when when have you felt most out on the way when

22:57

you felt like this could really

22:59

i'm on mana du nice said this where are

23:01

you okay i admit his listeners

23:03

requested because everybody assumes that a bunch

23:05

of movies your show up in one line city of the

23:07

marks you know and , going to every

23:10

one of these movies drives reader distraction

23:12

and fills me with self loathing at three o'clock in

23:14

the morning you get up in the movies how in

23:16

the world can i be authentic in

23:19

this moment because you know all those movies

23:21

that your cheerful and charming

23:23

and witty and your hair looks great you

23:25

know what happens while

23:28

you're doing that your life is falling apart you

23:30

dollar lawsuit going on you found out you

23:32

know if you found out you had type two

23:34

diabetes you have literally go

23:36

in and be completely contrary to the way

23:39

real life actually as your kids are miserable

23:41

they all hate yeah somebody

23:44

, last year dot yeah there's so many

23:46

things that better going wrong and you what

23:48

you have to do is still go and and somehow

23:51

do with shakespeare said and hold and mirror

23:53

up in up to human nature but

23:55

the bigger swings are are

23:58

are delicious meals to

24:01

tell you the truth they are because there's

24:03

the wind up you end up being

24:06

you go down this path that

24:09

is so complex and every

24:11

time you add something on to it you

24:14

actually are taking something outside of yourself

24:16

and putting an ontario as

24:18

opposed the other films we have to dig down

24:20

deep inside to be true to yourself now

24:22

which one is easier gig rice

24:25

scary know they are you know i guess it's

24:27

kind of like talking to a stand up comedian

24:29

who has forty minutes of brilliant material

24:32

and you say my god yeah that was hilarious you

24:34

look like you're having fun of their fun fun

24:37

i took nine years to come up with this

24:39

thing i am and i am tortured out

24:41

of air understory divorces i was

24:43

out of the eyeglass for yeah your benefit

24:45

exactly and i'm glad that you enjoyed

24:48

my forty minutes set on it is it

24:50

ends up being a making

24:52

, is is is

24:54

reality at reality for

24:56

as long as you can and sometimes

24:58

the most you can do is pulled reality

25:00

at bay for the two and a half minutes for the scene

25:02

text and the rest of it is just

25:04

like one just damn thing after another but

25:06

he takes like okay you gonna look at elvis

25:09

there's only one way to do a

25:11

colonel tom parker and that is to start with

25:13

pearl tom parker where i had never seen colonel

25:15

tom parker i'd never heard his voice when

25:18

baz luhrmann came to me and he said elvis

25:20

i said okay first of all why why

25:22

are you here elvis in my office

25:25

this doesn't office sense and he says

25:27

well you know the would never landed at

25:29

them away without another without added the certainly

25:31

would have never been or elsewhere connaughton

25:34

parker

25:35

but they never would have been a current

25:37

and parker

25:38

elvis and so boom

25:40

there's something right there that is fascinating

25:43

but then fascinating saw what he looked like

25:45

that or heard what he sound like and again

25:47

i said bands or you

25:49

are you know right place and uses know

25:52

this is this is this is the layering

25:54

that , want you to take a stab

25:56

at and so you just begin and

25:59

i'm none of this is easy

26:02

all of this is some degree of tortuous

26:05

on but ,

26:07

all you can do is is

26:10

the bath back on and step out onto

26:12

the trail and you see the mountains in the distance

26:14

and hopefully have enough water and protein bars

26:17

and blankets or you can make it to the night

26:19

and get on with on the on

26:21

the the thing that that you must also

26:24

understand your you josh you and your

26:26

listeners is that all of these are

26:29

part of part grand alliance with alliance awful lot to collaborate

26:32

nobody takes a big swing all by themselves

26:35

there is i can i can tell you about

26:37

sean and jason and britney

26:39

who i spent forty

26:41

, hours a week with you know as

26:44

they were layering on all of all

26:46

of who the colonel was banned

26:49

and so literally and so close my

26:51

eyes open open them every

26:53

forty five minutes and ,

26:55

up and see a little bit more of the of the criminal

26:57

that day and then

26:59

there's also there's people that you interact with

27:01

is not a lot of difference between having to hit

27:04

the marks and tell the truth under as

27:06

much of the the visual

27:08

signal on with current on parker then

27:11

there is with a who are

27:13

being you know of any of the other

27:15

guys i played your view your neck you

27:17

somehow you are creatively naked

27:19

no matter how much stuff you have onto a new

27:21

have to get down into the thing that people

27:24

everybody will recognize as

27:26

ah that human behavior

27:29

as i understand

27:30

i were talking also to my favorite

27:32

artists about the films that the for them and i've heard

27:34

a lot of interviews with you over the years and

27:37

i'm and one film is often come come back

27:39

around some that you see many times in the big screen

27:41

and i've seen an at every opportunity to

27:44

you never were to stanley kubrick but you know what

27:46

you buy you loved two thousand one i know

27:48

and love it to the states did you ever meet stanley

27:50

kubrick's you know that you know that

27:52

was it was beyond my comprehension

27:55

that time the i and

27:57

i and i i i would have passed

27:59

out

27:59

you know if i if we if i bet ya ya

28:02

we never left england but around was or

28:04

was he announced in some restaurant in england

28:06

and stanley kubrick was walk again when i was

28:08

walking out at were falling down and blocked

28:10

revolving door i was just would have paid have to revive

28:13

me you know i'm ,

28:16

that movie com

28:18

you know if i if

28:20

, was a thirteen year old kid

28:23

and saw some you know of architectural

28:26

masterpiece name name liniment architectural

28:28

masterpiece and world you know the chapel

28:30

okay the sistine chapel or the taj

28:32

mahal are you know the great pagoda

28:35

and in the cambodia or something like

28:37

that and you end up being transfixed

28:39

and altered forever because of it it

28:42

if you read you know the greatest book on

28:44

the planet earth you know you you read

28:46

the you know zen and the art of motorcycle

28:49

maintenance when you're twelve years old or something

28:51

and it just alters your your consciousness

28:53

definitely two thousand and one space [unk] lasting [unk]

28:56

, it was not a it

29:00

was not told and standard that

29:03

not told of america right you you

29:05

had to glean what these people were talking about

29:07

there is nothing was explained to which has

29:09

shown to and that's really screwed

29:12

me up because i

29:14

beat the living daylights out of everybody

29:16

in the course of some movie one after another

29:18

i was at why we why are we talking about

29:20

one would just show it why do we have to explain

29:23

what we're doing let's just show it and

29:26

albion with that does apply with an awful lot of people

29:28

and will again it doesn't work for an awful lot of stores

29:30

i since gone back and watched

29:35

a barry lyndon i just saw like six

29:38

weeks ago when

29:40

i had never seen it in it's entirety and

29:44

to watch it and no no

29:46

no of mr kubrick's work as i

29:48

do now i think it it it was

29:50

at the time it came out they just weren't gonna give it

29:52

to him they were not gonna give him credit

29:54

and they paid the fact that he cast rhino

29:56

kneel in it slow and does

29:58

candlelight really look like that you know

30:00

all but i kind of stuff oh he seven so much fun

30:02

with those new zeiss lenses see forgot

30:05

to make a move there and say it

30:07

is a masterpiece

30:09

because he shows it and then

30:12

and then you what we're going on in the course

30:14

that south hills on talk

30:16

about a guy who you know swings yeah

30:19

big swings and throws d you cannot

30:21

look at a stanley kubrick movie

30:24

and see it as some brand

30:26

of equal as the illini

30:28

or pasolini or you know

30:30

oh oh god ardor or any

30:33

of that said that he

30:35

, is a singular approach

30:37

to cinematic art art

30:40

which he that i can you imagine if two

30:42

thousand and one a space odyssey done to research

30:44

to stanley kubrick

30:46

they're saying how are the cards what are the numbers what are the one

30:49

of the high recommence every one of

30:51

those every one of his movies would have been slowed

30:53

out of the theater cut the prologue pops

30:55

up now raise and when you add a narration

30:57

until we understand what's going on can how

30:59

narrate this entire thing or

31:02

it wouldn't normally cancer heart yeah can heart turned

31:04

out of your and i think there's there's still a grand

31:07

number of artists the filmmakers number do

31:09

the same thing on thing would challenge

31:11

anybody to look at challenge anybody that came out

31:13

of i think it came out of greenland or iceland

31:15

last year called lamb

31:18

sowell new era hawks yeah okay

31:20

all right to vote ,

31:22

out of the nigeria nigeria know

31:25

that they're that and that goes part and parcel

31:27

with everything else that bet have been old

31:29

comes down the pike comes down to know from a number

31:31

of people steven spielberg

31:34

for example in a few other folks at that new

31:36

stanley kubrick for signal he watched

31:38

everything he saw everything you watch t

31:40

v and orders he was a look at stuff that would be

31:42

going on on honor on commercials

31:45

so his faith in an unspoken

31:47

there as there as cinematic narrative

31:50

is is off the scale and to see that

31:52

when i'm thirteen years old twelve

31:54

or thirteen years old the to

31:56

go right back the next saturday and see

31:58

it again and periodically

32:01

just put it on in a good like i do

32:03

every now and again it shows up on a fork

32:05

a projection frank a nearby

32:08

and i saw the big one that they put up on

32:12

this is the imax screens or saw that

32:14

and in pittsburgh a couple years

32:16

ago

32:17

doing the mister rogers

32:19

they should be isolated and seventy millimeter heroic

32:21

five years ago at ability yes and

32:23

i left the theater and the us or said

32:26

oh spielberg was just in the previous that's

32:28

what i love about it that you have like pay your respects

32:30

you have to revisit and can't and and

32:32

seventy is the way to see it because

32:34

of the grain of a digital projection of

32:36

it is quite frankly to clear you

32:38

can see all the logos you can see all the seems

32:41

you can see everything the diffusion in the grain

32:43

of the seventy millimeter really just makes

32:45

it soft and makes him look dissect ten times

32:47

more at ,

32:50

the reds that the reds i will say the biggest

32:53

thing that really screwed me of a bath and movie as had

32:55

paid attention of physics

32:56

you know they were they were in zero

32:58

gravity and so that stewardess the blocks

33:00

upside down and an odd kind of like way

33:03

to walking around with their grip shoes and of

33:05

course that the major you know

33:07

the wheel this and triple drum of the

33:09

command module

33:10

wager discovery i remember reading

33:12

interview reading reviews of the movie

33:15

in which the critics said

33:18

we're talking about magic that's usually

33:20

magnetic boots on the actors

33:22

in as or not it's like really i'm

33:25

happy was i remember a it's a teacher

33:27

in my junior high school said will lot they've

33:29

they've they probably have zero gravity chambers

33:31

at nasa

33:34

and i actually remember thinking of right

33:36

they had a room with a big switch on it's gravity

33:38

on gravity off and just switch

33:40

it down off and everything floats around

33:42

so that , idea that a filmmaker

33:45

would make a movie about a piano and

33:47

alien you know contact

33:49

with earth and people flying to the moon and

33:51

whatnot and insist on

33:54

the reality of zero gravity and

33:56

zero gravity attention to the true soundless

33:59

physics of the boy i'm

34:01

screwed me up man because i had to them

34:03

look at like star trek which was great

34:06

as nothing more than you know a tv series

34:08

about being in a you

34:10

know because it's the somehow they are able to walk

34:12

around on the starship enterprise

34:14

and eat food and drink gonna take elevators

34:17

and miraculously every single planet has you

34:19

had the right gravity was fine i'll be another

34:21

nail spoke english to i thought that was pretty

34:23

gross

34:24

i want to run through some famous or maybe not so

34:26

famous are good at what ifs about

34:29

okay i'm okay confirm or deny

34:31

these and we can run through for these pretty quickly if you want

34:33

spielberg who of course you eventually worked with

34:35

the first wanted you to play

34:37

peter pan and hook the were forced

34:39

uma know that for a long ass off now that

34:42

we of course know that you were going to work for

34:44

many years on dino was score says a throughout

34:46

yeah which is is one of those norms that war

34:48

was within my brain at least armor

34:51

itself when itself when explored having you

34:54

play bill the butcher and gangs of new york

34:56

news to me

34:57

okay okay this is good this is valuable our

34:59

jumped on that

35:01

you mentioned star trek star trek

35:03

and star wars have come up star trek first

35:05

contact today ever approached you

35:08

about playing games cromwell's role zack

35:10

from cochran number than not

35:12

to my knowledge didn't get through the hanks

35:15

the guy who invented warps warp

35:17

drive oh come on i would have jumped

35:19

on that you've got a bona fides i would

35:21

be an old talk about nerd town

35:23

and i just where i would have

35:26

, a i would you know i would

35:28

i would i would come in would come abroad and gifts

35:30

tribbles to everybody on the first meeting

35:32

tonight here's some troubles for your rear

35:34

the trouble with tribbles that would have done that on

35:37

my language i had an old pal i had rotella

35:39

junior high

35:40

the about was at a time when on channel

35:43

two and oakland every night at six

35:45

o'clock they ran a cut up

35:47

version of star trek the

35:49

original canker a

35:51

william shatner who is a genius by

35:53

the i've since done some stuff with waves

35:55

and the man genius

35:58

i jumped in i like was

35:59

ninety going to our last year

36:02

know the man who a man who

36:04

has the a devouring appetite

36:07

for art and perform anyway

36:11

we don't every night it sits and we

36:13

, will that have a competition

36:16

a to see who could call

36:18

the other guy first with the title of

36:20

the episode of know ah

36:22

and you a basic not sometimes on the stargate

36:25

but mostly was about yuki you'd you'd need a nanosecond

36:27

to know what episode it was the and if you didn't know

36:29

that title he still took a shot at the

36:32

front yard l yeah whatever your last

36:34

battlefield whatever of terror balance

36:36

of terror attacks terror of the alan

36:39

hi mod arms

36:41

are now you have ron howard

36:44

said that you were almost a stormtrooper

36:46

in solo

36:47

i would have done that yeah i could make at work

36:50

i couldn't yeah i couldn't get there and time you know

36:52

and i think that i think now if you

36:55

the survey all kinds of famous

36:58

people have been in a stormtrooper out

37:00

i think that if gigantic rag was

37:02

one of you know i think i know

37:04

it's a , executives

37:06

have shown up to be a storm trooper and

37:09

i'd do it it that was that

37:11

was one thing about on star

37:14

wars are i'm in a within the first

37:16

forty five seconds of it as soon

37:18

of you saw soon as

37:21

a stormtrooper nevermind darth vader

37:23

but as soon as you saw those guys run around the storm

37:25

trooper outfits

37:27

you were in the hands of

37:29

some something i'd been really well

37:31

thought out despite the fact and the lack

37:33

of gravity a

37:36

on all those and all those ships

37:38

there's the great new doc on on disney plus actually

37:40

about the birth of iowa lemon just

37:43

that that whoa yeah directed by

37:45

the great lawrence kasdan i remember

37:47

i remember we did some did elim shots for

37:49

joe vs a volcano and we

37:51

had to go up to a marine county

37:53

for it i said oh my god are going to i'll

37:55

end this is going to be fact that yeah

37:58

it was this is

37:59

this is a lot of guys that are a computers of basically

38:02

yeah no it wasn't even that it was just you know a

38:04

garage door you know in one of those industrial

38:06

park somewhere like this is i am

38:09

oh man i was expecting you know

38:11

gates and guards you know like old paramount

38:13

studios are some nobody moving the ark of the covenant

38:15

back and forth nothing like that at all

38:17

just a bunch of guys in black t-shirts

38:20

speaking of sci-fi doctor who it

38:22

said that peter capaldi tried to enlist

38:24

you through the advances of the producers

38:26

to actually play doctor who at one thing i would

38:28

have been a blast a that's all that's all scheduling

38:31

i guess you know cannot can't can't do

38:33

every job and i'm honestly

38:35

me as doctor who can you imagine

38:37

can you imagine the

38:39

outrage i'm

38:41

in a marriage didn't really go over and

38:44

i'm gonna jump in that you know read telephone

38:46

box and near know and either wear

38:48

a scarf and whatever it is i

38:50

don't seek anthony quinn could

38:52

play sword with the greek in today's

38:55

about popular about judgment you

38:57

know why and you know why josh

38:59

because he's not great so

39:01

imagine the imagine the cry if cry

39:03

if played world famous i

39:05

want to play one of the daleks maybe

39:08

i would have been inside those make salt and pepper

39:10

shakers talking is an automated voice

39:12

with an english accent by course i'd

39:15

i could not get into i'm in

39:17

san francisco to bury where i grew up oakland

39:19

dot they threw on some old doctor who's

39:21

the guy with a big red dirt ask

39:24

you know that guy and on

39:26

the because it was on video

39:28

out of the b the b the video

39:30

signal on american tv is looked odd

39:33

because they have a hundred extra lines

39:36

of scansafe on their tv so player

39:38

so ours are the way to scan

39:40

for us it just didn't look like video

39:43

yeah it looked like the some other thing

39:46

and thing just couldn't get past year all these robots

39:48

with or robotic english

39:50

accents that spot softer

39:52

who you know it's like bit with honor know

39:54

what's going on going here so i've never been

39:57

a doctor who aficionado i've just been aware

39:59

of doctor

39:59

granddad grant history

40:01

you remember your last audition and

40:04

did you know it at the time

40:05

that's a good question wow

40:08

the

40:10

hi

40:11

it must have been late eighties early nineties

40:13

ago i auditioned for i auditioned for splash

40:17

of outwards and i think that

40:19

the only reason they had auditions for splashes

40:22

because everybody because

40:24

everybody was beta the time turned down

40:26

you know if you will go back and who would who are the top

40:29

ten you know box office

40:31

actors of the time they all said no rak

40:33

they all said no way am i going to make a mermaid

40:36

movie you know for the company

40:38

that release released gas

40:40

the field goal kicking mule for walt

40:42

disney pictures directed by opi

40:44

cunningham it just just was not going

40:46

to happen so

40:48

i remember i think you can see the

40:50

audition the actually

40:53

the video auditions because wrong was

40:55

playing going to have a huge on

40:58

home video cameras are and j

41:00

b c had one with a miniature

41:03

on vhs

41:06

cassette that you put into an adapter

41:08

that he could play it on your home be it's that's

41:10

what he was doing eat when last about twenty

41:12

minutes and i think

41:14

that might have been there might be the last thing i auditioned

41:17

for because then this terrible thing

41:19

happened is they kept asking me to be

41:21

in movies and i said yes to every single one

41:23

of them because i asked me

41:25

to stay asked me to be in because movie

41:27

you know you got you go from a period

41:30

where all your all you're just waiting for the phone

41:32

to ring and so someone can say hey

41:34

would you like can come in and maybe get can chance

41:37

you go from that to the phone

41:39

rings and said would you like to be in that movie it

41:41

just needs more what

41:43

i would you bring up the fastening

41:45

stuff that would a conversation i've had with many folks

41:48

and you're and you're privileged position of the opportunity

41:51

to say know which for ninety nine i have

41:53

actors as in tom and it's

41:55

it must be such a strange cyst

41:58

were as you say your

42:00

your work and you just go yesterday sir

42:02

i take it is a rubicon in

42:05

blessing rubicon on

42:07

that i've i've had

42:09

the opportunity to have to cross i

42:11

don't know five

42:15

seek i , the first

42:17

time i came to loggerheads with some

42:20

member of my crack representation

42:22

team was the

42:24

season in between the two of

42:26

bosom buddies in

42:29

which because i work for a b c

42:32

b in the inevitable are

42:34

opportunity came down to do

42:36

fantasy i the

42:38

and i said on i could use

42:40

that money

42:44

twenty five

42:46

percent of the was gone and commissions from another fifty

42:48

was gone taxes so i'm

42:51

always in rented house and you know why

42:54

the

42:56

i recall and was a the i used

42:58

in my childbearing years and

43:01

the idea of doing a week on

43:04

fantasy island just demoralize

43:06

me so much of i just said you

43:08

know i think i'm going to say no to fantasy

43:11

island and i had i had had

43:13

a a represented a dating this

43:15

is why you think you're making a big mistake

43:17

and and just said you know

43:19

no no good

43:21

is gonna what's the up to like what's the what's the last

43:24

movie , said i don't know what i'm going to get from do and sandy

43:26

sandy soil and he said well how about if you

43:28

just the best thing that's ever been on satellite

43:31

maybe about don't maybe than well

43:33

i had done the love boat i did the love boat

43:35

you know between the pilot in the first episode

43:39

episode was hilarious and i just

43:41

look if if you want to have the of you

43:43

just want to fall on the on laughing

43:46

uproariously to just take a look at

43:48

my multiple you know it's a shot it

43:50

in june of nineteen and nineteen eighty

43:53

or something like that and it's something like

43:55

i had no idea how movies were made

43:57

by much my teeth word the color

44:00

moss my

44:02

skin was back to the have given you

44:04

the more once every other half was to

44:06

down to terrible but ah

44:08

well ah wondrous adventure you know

44:10

even the movies at the hear you talk

44:12

about even movies don't work for him and movies

44:14

you just think like was driving know

44:16

what driving was with you you learn something

44:19

very present and important on every single

44:21

one of and because here's the weird thing that happens

44:24

on you have no idea it's gonna work

44:27

you can be certain that it's a disaster

44:29

and it works

44:31

you can be certain that it's the greatest thing that's

44:33

ever been put on film and

44:35

, is horrible you do you don't have

44:38

any idea at the next comes down to

44:40

this great serendipitous power

44:42

of the collaborative processed processed

44:45

you learn how to get back rowdy question

44:47

you learn how to say to

44:49

against every instinctive grain

44:52

and your by when

44:54

you can finally get to the place and

44:57

look at it and see what this the absolute

44:59

source material is it's not on the page

45:01

it's not on the stage and if you read

45:04

something and you and if

45:06

deep down inside yourself thing this

45:09

i don't know what this theme is

45:11

and i don't but i do know

45:13

it's not worth exploring

45:16

not at your it looked at

45:18

night and at some point eight a mighty been said

45:20

the most important thing

45:22

the artist has to learn this when you can be

45:24

really high for

45:26

the great thing about podcast which could say

45:28

highfalutin thanks new to this just a podcast

45:31

know , not your to hold it up to was like a credo

45:34

tom hanks and on the josh horowitz

45:36

pointer on but you

45:38

know the reason to do reason movie

45:41

arb multitude you know

45:43

the money the people that you get to work with the

45:45

place you might get to go if you're single

45:48

you know my delay

45:50

you know there's all sorts of reasons and ordered go

45:52

off and and and do movies

45:55

be egg and also because they're all they're all

45:58

you know you never don't have a good time

45:59

you can be the ones that adventure each

46:02

one is a huge huge huge and

46:04

better and the the other the other collaborative

46:06

are to set you me become

46:09

indelibly and printed upon you for the rest

46:11

of time but if , can't

46:13

go into at eight thousand percent of

46:16

are enthusiastic about getting to dig

46:18

down into the grand your lap granular

46:21

aspect of amusing network right arm

46:24

of the story that you're telling the thing

46:26

that your examined your your you you you to

46:28

say no and it's really hard

46:30

to do but when you do you i think you have you've

46:32

crossed some sort of rubicon and i don't want

46:34

a discount for a moment

46:36

that being financially secure

46:39

that makes it more possible i

46:41

have the greatest respect

46:43

in the world for anybody who doesn't

46:47

take the money even though if they really really

46:49

need i can't say that i've done

46:51

and i think i've always a softer

46:54

, to do you really not that early run

46:56

of movies when they're they're ask i never it was

46:58

never about the money which is the opportunity to make

47:01

zoc you know andor p

47:03

a i don't discount that

47:05

candid we're not particularly to got you know car

47:07

payments in a killer or to realize yeah

47:09

yeah hello where were

47:11

you are you when you think of

47:14

mannerisms that a popped up on three

47:16

year old collection of their mannerisms

47:19

and that's when it regular you've gotta like

47:21

exasperated last i think of when i think

47:23

of tom hanks i i i think of use a

47:25

lot of do an imitation certainly but you can see the

47:28

the hey kind of a thing of like

47:30

do you use you are you conscious

47:32

of that shit a certain point like i can't go to that well

47:34

again or as well yeah i do you are i

47:36

mean there's some of the comes out completely instinct

47:38

to then it and it kind of works but noise you

47:40

get older you dislike what your tent he can

47:42

keep drawing from that well and you do end up of

47:45

a being i find myself being attracted

47:47

to the types of guys don't do that i

47:50

, that little that require a whole different

47:52

sort of on of

47:54

physical dna because i do know

47:57

we all have the same countenance i think that's

47:59

what the question is

47:59

like every every actor has

48:02

a countenance said they bring with them into

48:05

the project

48:06

it is not a mystery because everybody's

48:08

everybody seen the billing you know how your rent

48:10

a movie and else on a been

48:12

what what does that the great

48:15

and this is why they're all tortuous

48:17

challenges at some point you because you just

48:19

want to go off and do the same thing unless you're playing

48:21

the same part of course rife in

48:23

on unless you're been alive how many how

48:25

many how many woody's did i do i lost

48:28

it is it far i think woods small

48:30

event for movies but they were a couple shorts

48:32

the great as well and that's that's

48:35

to go back into but you don't

48:37

beautifully i realize that there

48:39

is a type i have never

48:41

heard an imitation of me

48:44

per se being done but i'm sure there's someone

48:46

out at the does that would

48:48

that would that would both god make me

48:50

laugh very hard and and fill me with

48:52

dread it was named i named

48:54

i that readable really

48:56

combat obvious so i have

48:58

that geeky your voice yes turns

49:01

out i do

49:02

the older you've you mentioned of that the toy

49:04

story films and like a

49:08

somewhat somewhere on a ferry got its wings

49:10

just now now

49:12

take her tinker bell head if we just had

49:14

to pick her bell bad experiences

49:16

line from the matter horn to somewhere in tomorrow

49:19

and but it is funny because like yes

49:21

august even apart some franchises in the robert

49:23

langdon series as well but for outside

49:25

of those in those are notable exceptions

49:28

like there was never an eye exceptions campuses

49:30

was good thing well sequel

49:32

the forest gump ziggy old cetera and they're

49:34

actually i can i'm sure they've gone to you especially

49:36

in this era of like reboots

49:39

retreads real everything

49:41

via is that just like not even

49:43

is there no carter this point of feels like worth

49:46

going back to

49:48

from the early know i know

49:50

i can't i mean i think other people go off

49:52

and reinterpreted right right now

49:54

there's a there's an indian movie out that

49:56

the security number and forrest gump i can't wait to see

49:59

it i just saw like photograph of somewhere

50:01

under somebody's gonna have to check that

50:03

out there , a i'm

50:05

i the one the i will say this

50:08

a smart thing i did was i never signed

50:10

a contract that had a contractual

50:12

obligation to a to a sequel because

50:15

i was always was guys look you know if there's

50:17

a reason to do it let's do it but

50:19

my i'm gonna my yeah you guys can't force

50:21

hard the board hours yeah of course yeah

50:23

and there , that natural

50:26

inclination natural that is a purely

50:29

one a pure commerce the says hey you just

50:31

had a hit so do it again and

50:33

you'll have a hit and

50:35

well i will say that

50:37

with alone or with a long

50:40

time in between we did

50:42

take a stab at talking about

50:44

another another forrest gump

50:47

a that lasted all of forty

50:49

minutes then , never never

50:51

a guys come guys a

50:54

league of their own we thought i'm a

50:56

to that there was a possible thing

50:58

to bring jimmy dugan back after the colored

51:01

after jackie robinson and broken

51:03

the color barrier and we had

51:05

color barrier there was actually a pretty

51:07

pretty nice screenplay that

51:11

a bit of these all these other com like market

51:13

forces come into it because one of the things

51:15

that often happens is the original people

51:18

who made it happen don't have

51:20

anything to do with see so

51:22

the really made by studio executives and

51:25

and some talented people i you know like that

51:27

that come in and take their shot but

51:31

be the big they have to

51:33

be that the great thing about the love

51:35

the land the land were great because they were individual

51:38

mysteries that came up and

51:40

i do those sherlock holmes books wrap

51:42

your basil rathbone sherlock holmes is

51:44

great me is robert langdon run around

51:47

you know istanbul are some like that that's a blast

51:49

man are you an

51:51

hour after kept after bad it just comes down

51:53

to well you know how delicate are we going to make this

51:55

house of cards you know how you know that bats

51:58

amount of spawn particular so

52:00

much of it goes on on the day because

52:03

you realize you gotta get from here to there and harry

52:06

going to do that was anyway

52:08

then also be the toy story

52:10

movies i'll tell you this great

52:12

this great this thing and this is both commerce

52:15

and art wrapped up and actually

52:17

quite a perfectly suited

52:19

for the entire history of walt

52:21

disney i mean as of the man a guy

52:23

who understood commerce and

52:26

art he had to contractually

52:28

to do to

52:30

more three little pigs cartoons

52:33

where he hated do the

52:35

first one he loved and

52:37

all the second one's were no snorkel and

52:39

, even said at some point know

52:42

in contracts with [unk] nigra he wrote on some

52:44

people piece of paper no more

52:46

pigs meaning that

52:48

she was she was it he was at type

52:50

of artists who said look we did that let's

52:53

not just repeat ourselves let's take it to

52:55

some brand of next level so

52:57

if you see the second and third three little pigs

52:59

cartoon disney head you

53:02

know they're loaded with blah blah art been

53:04

all there are beer that that that filmmaking

53:06

still pretty great but he didn't care about the story

53:08

to the story than tall the

53:11

when we're the of the first or

53:14

on the first

53:16

a toy story movie was

53:18

such a mind

53:21

blown revelation on you know

53:24

on on all levels the

53:27

i was first walked through the storyboards

53:31

of toy story in an anonymous

53:34

industrial park in park in

53:37

which john lasseter walk me through

53:39

the entire from beginning

53:41

to end and all it was was hand drawn and

53:44

then they showed me against

53:46

a new anonymous blue background

53:48

the cg i version of woody i'm

53:52

over and over again take having

53:54

taken a line from turn hooch

53:56

and which i was yelling at who'd don't eat the

53:58

car stop eating

53:59

and it was a lightning

54:02

bolt

54:03

it was it was beyond

54:05

candlelight comprehension and

54:09

that was in the days when i'm

54:11

michael eisner and katzenberg took

54:13

what took the disney studios

54:15

are from its sleepy little you

54:17

know greyhound bus kind

54:20

of a greyhound bus station to

54:22

like architecture and ,

54:24

it into an air force base in the philippines

54:26

so what's just just

54:29

a metaphor or maybe literally well

54:31

anyway they turned it into a they turned

54:34

it into the massive thing that that

54:36

it is now and it's been keep growing but you know

54:38

those guys are just like really came

54:40

down and brought a very hard edge version of the

54:42

industry to it and god bless

54:44

him out of it came the of it toy

54:47

story but but we did an entire

54:49

version of that movie that was in thrown out

54:51

i don't you might know that yeah because

54:54

it was flip than it was at

54:56

it wasn't really about anything it

54:58

was just about was bunch of guys insulting each

55:00

other and and trying to say wacky funny

55:02

thanks to and john lasseter and that

55:04

the key matter pixar went back

55:07

and we ended up doing

55:09

the whole thing all over again

55:11

so then it comes out and it is what it is

55:14

and that was still old school

55:17

business practices which said if he had

55:19

a hit do another one and knock it out

55:21

really fast and now there was this new way of doing

55:23

it when you don't even have a strike prince you

55:25

, just do it for a dvds even

55:27

let's do it for home video video so

55:29

we started doing the second one for

55:32

home video and and tim and

55:34

tim are both

55:36

looked at each other and tim tim was a big guy

55:39

at disney then because he had home improvement and all

55:41

that kind of stuff and did all those did movies

55:43

and i'm saying what's going on here man this this

55:46

is this is a rocket and they're just

55:48

going to release this on home video and they had

55:50

all these numbers that said it'll cost

55:52

half as much but old make just so

55:54

they had all these number reasons for we do it at

55:57

one point we do it in

55:59

a a we are in studio see and

56:01

there was there was doc o'connor i don't know

56:03

dhaka just doc like

56:06

mmm dot gov the guy who is

56:08

legendary sound mixer back behind that

56:10

the man in the glass both back there

56:13

i , just a doctor and overall the that the

56:15

a d a t digital audio tape robot that

56:17

role the that it was a look at it this time

56:19

and ten here guys at we were in

56:21

their just really you never actually record with

56:23

anybody were said to me to say that you guys

56:25

are not to put this out on home video right now

56:27

you're not you this this is gonna make a billion

56:29

dollars guys if you put it in the movie theaters

56:32

you're insane now i don't know if they actually taught that

56:34

did anything with it but that's

56:36

what they did and they sorta rewrote that

56:38

aspect of that thing and what was perfect

56:40

about it was you cannot go back

56:43

evidently cannot go back and and

56:45

on they examined the relationship

56:48

that a kid has with their toys enough

56:51

he clearly ah because it continued

56:53

along and what's extraordinary about this

56:56

about this we did

56:58

that for the first time in ninety

57:00

nine d five

57:04

, when making the for some came out okay so

57:06

that me that we started working on it in ninety

57:08

one know right if

57:10

not know if not ninety because they took

57:12

because take took they time to rendered those things

57:14

so pets now tooth house

57:17

twenty it's so over the course of

57:19

about thirty years we examined

57:21

you know all all that stuff is and

57:24

and every time i gotta say it

57:26

worked as a theme and this is not the case

57:28

with all the equals or in

57:30

law the long long series there

57:33

are you know i love to do the same particular it happens

57:35

a lot in that in europe where

57:38

you think you're gonna sit down have a conversation

57:40

about your career and your

57:42

socially talking to a member of the entertainment

57:44

industrial complex you know somebody who

57:47

somebody writes about entertainment

57:49

or movies or something like that and

57:53

they are you know they they always say you

57:55

know you just you just always you just always play

57:58

the nice guys yours to blame the same

57:59

over and over again and nicer well if you think

58:02

that that

58:03

they said well why do that if it were i don't think

58:05

i do i'm trying to reject the premises

58:07

because suddenly i'm not going to reject the printers

58:10

of the question but it always say but look view and i both

58:12

know that i could be sitting here right now promoting

58:14

forrest gump sex and

58:16

, you that if you like forrest gump foreign forrest

58:19

gump five you're really gonna love forrest gump sex

58:21

and the i get you can do that and

58:24

, of i've just been very fortunate and every

58:26

now and again on had some forceful than on

58:30

and boundaries that i've been able to keep up

58:32

in place and the

58:35

i think i've been the ,

58:37

always work allows you don't always

58:39

or you're always rewarded for examining

58:41

the theme of the movie by making a movie about

58:44

it but i'm a that baseball

58:47

the alley the only to do to your honus wagner

58:49

you're batting averages pretty good whoa

58:52

have you read the baseball one hundred known

58:54

have led hone it all you gotta read the baseball

58:57

one hundred and you're allowed our hundred hitter was

58:59

your wound to on know well i

59:01

figure was somewhere down there but she was just

59:03

like

59:04

one of the truly great baseball players

59:06

back when only white people played

59:08

in all major league baseball but fcc

59:11

she lists us that debt offered

59:14

i may have the wrong baseball legend so

59:16

forgive me but like i saw the fly top movie

59:18

i think there are a lot of expel he was are notorious

59:21

was are

59:23

when okay mr disney you're a himself tom

59:25

hanks why are you not in a marvel movie they've asked

59:28

you buy now no i don't know or not

59:30

to my knowledge okay i i do

59:32

i do not know i do not

59:34

know boite other pointed around you know

59:36

it's like holy cow i mean our little they

59:38

don't need the don't need them their find it was fine

59:41

but i'm just saying will be nice marriage that's unfair

59:43

okay all right let's let's let's unpack

59:46

this a little bachelor show in which splits

59:48

on that i'm is there is

59:51

their own an era of film

59:53

in which a very particular

59:56

type of movie

59:58

dominated

1:00:00

the marketplace i'm gonna you could say

1:00:02

like good related to the westerns in the fifty

1:00:04

right

1:00:06

all right the medical epic in the sixty

1:00:08

i don't even know yeah what else [unk] living

1:00:11

in order to get into kinda like a university

1:00:13

or something let let's take john ford's westerns

1:00:15

right you can maybe say that that is

1:00:18

the john ford universe of westerns

1:00:21

is not that different perhaps than you

1:00:23

know the marvel universe of motion pictures

1:00:25

yep

1:00:28

if it's a bodacious john ford western

1:00:30

would you

1:00:32

you know

1:00:33

like only so many get this straight john

1:00:36

jack i think you would by jack jack

1:00:38

board on what

1:00:40

you gonna take me back and we're going to be in monument

1:00:42

valley and we're gonna be gonna a horse

1:00:44

and we're gonna do the things and we're gonna

1:00:46

do that in the monument valley

1:00:48

will be there and that's what we're gonna

1:00:51

do you might

1:00:53

do that because you might end up in you

1:00:55

know can like guns arrived yet this is

1:00:57

the searchers or you could end up in she

1:00:59

wore a yellow ribbon there's all sorts of

1:01:01

things you could you could end up in

1:01:04

ah , think it but dinners you can look

1:01:06

at the same era of western in

1:01:08

the united cities and to some

1:01:10

ton of them were you know not great yeah

1:01:13

now for at as you want it you don't want a rag

1:01:15

on any movie because movies are just too

1:01:17

hard to make the but i think the most a you can

1:01:19

say as you know was quite good didn't quite

1:01:21

although didn't didn't quite work that i mean

1:01:23

that's about the worst thing he did said this about block

1:01:25

lots of and i'm trying to think if there

1:01:27

was any other type of movie that

1:01:30

came out that truly dominated

1:01:33

a mark you could maybe could say this

1:01:35

like the universal monster movies

1:01:37

of than seven thirty yeah

1:01:39

you know

1:01:40

you can no interaction between

1:01:42

them similar to the marvel stuff city wire

1:01:44

yup i not too long ago

1:01:46

saw the i'm when i'm can save

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the son of frankenstein but basil rathbone

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and and of a divorce

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got a divorce call off as off as

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surf and it was the fourth and run but

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it was brand new stuff that was brought

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to bear you now gotta say gotta

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say that was aren't

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, get into treats with black what you know you get

1:02:08

out of medicine returns at a certain point but

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triumph i think the bigger question here

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might just be as you know what how many

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screens or they're going to be remaining

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remaining i think there's an awful lot of films that are

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don't need to need shown on motion

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shown screens on and

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i say what their that ticket sales the idea

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of going to the movies is definitely coming back

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was there a in there is nobody who doesn't

1:02:32

want to who that experience if

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there is something i just saw a matter fact

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are we just saw a bullet train and

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in in a in a movie in and

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i can't i couldn't say the

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last time we bought a ticket you know let's

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drive to the movie theater less park by

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the movie theater which walk up and buy a ticket

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into the movie just let's ticket

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a seat and ah

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of people were both even before

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the movie began with in this great

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this high dollar that removing

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the ruse rudderless only

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wants a movie the stand and you have and you how to

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shared experience where have you know at forty

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or fifty and a lot of strangers who were there it's

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and so you know what what

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is about what's up there what do they examining

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on there screen and it isn't worthwhile

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that he do it we've all we've all seen plenty

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of the what if is

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called is officially the marvel universe

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of motion pictures the marvel cinematic

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universe wow the end see

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you are right and it's got spiderman

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and the x mans and the it out

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all demands and all of and women ladies in

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the way out okay of boys and times

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yup and i look out every i haven't seen

1:03:39

them all of you to that right now but

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the ones i see i'd never come around

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away from it and saw and start and without thinking

1:03:46

this couple great performance in there man those

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people really gave the are all and honoring of other actors

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on i don't know how they do that i

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do not now then after that

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it's like you know did they examined

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the theme that i wanted him to be seen and

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i think

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the i can tell all i could go out and quite

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good choice drunk like i'm i'm gonna

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even very generous as your time i'm going to let you go

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on the side one challenge for you tom because

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i've noticed over the years you are

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quite a mimic of your own so me of the filmmakers

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you've worked with of of can do is

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very well as spend way too much time

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where them or it so when as a young and i'm going

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to name a collaborator all

1:04:21

eager you give me a quick impressive i'm gonna go

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i'm going to keep it moved okay you ready

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the

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hanks filmmaker imitation sounds

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ron howard okay okay

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all right remember remember

1:04:35

yeah you're you're you're you're you're

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you're you're you're hurtling home you're hurtling

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home remember it's cold

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annie marshall

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my mom has

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why were you going how can

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you can be in the see mud why

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did you walk out there you have

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to be in the scene i knew your face

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the thought so i don't know what i'm gonna need

1:04:56

later on you gotta stay the same

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robertson after her

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, know the i have outside

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did one earlier

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are you out why or what what about

1:05:08

the now you know why why

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do you want you have a guy in a in a motorcycle

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the site with i think side partial funny when

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, mean why not have a minister i

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think it's funny a guy pulls up in a cycle

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you don't i don't unheard spielberg

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have another let me let me love a linear

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you

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know how it's

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, own going to do this in order to do this i'm going

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to have cameras aren't you can have a pogo lens one

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hundred seventy

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five an apocalypse kind of a pogo is will fall

1:05:43

you were others it's been for you are swimming

1:05:45

going to tell you about a story about where the rusty old

1:05:47

we were doing a the post

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here's a kind of guys in it right

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and we would i said stephen limits

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i made movies with stephen before so i

1:05:56

try to get it would together with everybody on movie

1:05:58

bring him and i were pizzas

1:05:59

like that and i explained the mall or

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, steven steven

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makes makes movies melissa

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guys the guys and gals

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were all in their ways and we had we had everybody

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and in the every everybody was in the postman

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slow we were all their into i

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said okay listen ah here's how it works

1:06:19

let's make sure we all know the dialogue you know

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will run some today and let's make sure before the

1:06:23

day country all run the dialogue so we know it backwards

1:06:25

and forwards because here's what's gonna happen

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either

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stephen is going to come to us and

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say i ,

1:06:33

you guys are by i don't know i'm sure i don't know how

1:06:35

should i don't i don't want us to spinach

1:06:39

and that happened is that happened

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the bridge

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spies

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germany

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at three o'clock in the morning and ,

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are you i need some help and one this is what would

1:06:51

what would you guys think it would it were were just as

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or was she would have our lives this we

1:06:55

tried this before the script as well get okay okay

1:06:57

i'll grant that have been at it wasn't three other modes a runs

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off at arizona put a seventy five on a pogo

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can be so sunlight that been

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the ice and the other thing that will happen is we

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will be prepared will know or stuff

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absolutely perfectly and steven will have

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done all of our work for us

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and we won't even know what's

1:07:15

happening because the camera will be nowhere

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near us

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the and he won't care if we say the words away

1:07:21

the written he just going to want

1:07:24

us to be in a be enough space and

1:07:26

interacting because the camera

1:07:28

is literally delivering all the dialogue

1:07:31

and all the narrative that we know and

1:07:33

of the that the map

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that's why that's why steven why

1:07:38

steven man cannot help but think the

1:07:41

cinematic turns out cinema very sad

1:07:43

their side better off so that's what that's

1:07:45

great that's great i abuses this is other

1:07:48

uses the does this albuquerque stephen

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one of i have the still working in the foreground us with

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oh that's great yeah yeah that's right that's great son

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the movies

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it'll never be in another you think

1:07:57

he thought it would be in the movies is no no

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no your thursday it's grip

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do it do it do it do it stunk

1:08:04

that's what he does that tell you that right

1:08:06

that's a brilliant film which is why anyone

1:08:09

, left off of where we go nora clint

1:08:11

anything and reload nora was just always

1:08:13

will wind the world wouldn't we just do what

1:08:15

exactly like that the only

1:08:18

thing i would remove is your birthday

1:08:21

when you make when you about a french

1:08:23

little poco dog in paris trying

1:08:25

to find his way things were burrow

1:08:27

a but not in this one

1:08:29

that's pretty much nora smelled it the

1:08:32

arm sir i can't thank you enough

1:08:34

both for the time today but honestly i mean

1:08:36

like you were talking about that that film going experience

1:08:38

you've recently experienced i can i get about was

1:08:41

thirty five tom hanks i you're very cut

1:08:43

i'd let her come as changed my life in different

1:08:45

ways are pinocchio is the latest

1:08:47

collaboration with a rape opposite mack as i'm trying

1:08:50

i'm trying to come up with okay our

1:08:52

children just moments the making of pinocchio

1:08:54

yeah you're talking with blogs mattress

1:08:56

and the scene involves

1:09:00

your pet almost drowned by

1:09:02

way of monster oh in the but

1:09:04

and we had to he had such

1:09:06

a complicated rig

1:09:08

in order to in order to in order to

1:09:10

get this thing at the cameras on some

1:09:12

massive thing and i'm from were shooting and

1:09:15

a thing called not blue screen but we're

1:09:17

shooting in a volume would i hold near

1:09:19

that is this of the new technology works

1:09:22

fine and ,

1:09:24

were to to you're trying you're become

1:09:26

offices and bob was explaining what

1:09:29

what i need you to do is to right to

1:09:31

float up rise up and

1:09:33

income to the surface and choke but

1:09:35

then rolled around and almost choke again

1:09:37

and been come back around and then spit

1:09:39

water out of water mouth

1:09:44

and your i'm literally i'm i'm shackled

1:09:46

to some sort of like you know gravity

1:09:48

rigged it spends me around at the same

1:09:51

trap and of course there is no water

1:09:53

and brother i'll get

1:09:55

i'll excited thinking this i'll get i die on

1:09:57

peninsula jr say hey thanks

1:09:59

bob for once

1:09:59

again after yourself as saying to

1:10:02

yourself is while hell anybody could do that

1:10:04

because i'm not sure anybody can do this might

1:10:06

give me twenty minutes and i'll try

1:10:08

to provide you with obesity for the movie

1:10:11

so of marriage you pedal to nokia

1:10:13

by way of bugs eerie go anywhere

1:10:15

as you said your reclaiming soon eric roth and robin

1:10:17

the whole forest gump yeah yeah we're

1:10:19

gonna we're gonna go off and er swing

1:10:22

wide throw deep you know give it another shot

1:10:25

thank you again sir for that's all right real

1:10:27

ira you'll give me a memo about the things

1:10:30

i have to retract to record and change

1:10:32

and whitney you've written down

1:10:34

a list of all the people i've insulted somehow

1:10:36

and have to make apology phone calls

1:10:38

to so i look forward to both of those over

1:10:41

start with me i write and for as

1:10:43

a barrage i'm going to tell you right now

1:10:45

how often do you use a ovaries

1:10:47

or door dash their and your little a little

1:10:50

bit of town of pretty often free onto off

1:10:53

regardless of size of size talking to

1:10:55

and so ends another edition of half the

1:10:58

size confused remember

1:11:00

to review right answer

1:11:01

gripe is so on i tunes or wherever

1:11:03

you get your focus on the thick parker

1:11:06

i'm daisy ridley and idea he was