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Hey! It's

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the Harris Football Podcast with

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your host, Christopher Harris.

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Welcome! Hey

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everybody, welcome in. My name

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is Chris and oh boy, you've

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probably already looked at the length

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of this podcast and said, wow, there's

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going to be some football talk today.

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You're right. We're going to do

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a long one today because there's a lot of stuff

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to talk about. Thank you so much for listening. I

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hope you're doing well. If

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you were looking for this podcast on

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Thursday, which is our usual winter release

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strategy, my apologies. I did mention during

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last week's show that we were going

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to release this week's on Friday so

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that we would have the best chance

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possible of having the most free agent

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and or whatever trade moves possible

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to talk about. And here we

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are and I'm glad we waited

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because there was extra stuff. So we're going to

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get to it eventually. We've had so much player

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movement and for our purposes,

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so much skill position movement, which

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is even a bigger deal. There's

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been definitely like, you know, pass rushers and linemen

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and whatever that move, but we're not going to

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talk as much about them. We

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care about the skill guys. No

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shortage of interesting stuff to react to, which

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I will start doing in just a moment.

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But let me prepare you the next two

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weeks after this week,

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the podcast is off again. We're

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off for March 21st. We're off for

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March 28th and then April 4th. We

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return and we get into a rhythm

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of weekly shows for a while after

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that, because that's when we'll start hearing

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from our NFL draft

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expert friends about the prospects leading

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into the NFL draft itself. So

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just be aware two weeks off

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the next two weeks and then

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we resume with our normal Thursday

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shows. And this is not new. This is what

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we've been doing for years. sometimes people forget so

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I'm just reminding you now. Alright, so off

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the top here there are so many skill

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position changes and frankly so many running

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back changes, right? Some pretty big wide

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receiver changes here at the last minute

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as well but I want to

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leave plenty of time to get to

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those situations with my guest Dave

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Kluge and so I thought I

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could do some like cleaning of

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the decks here off the top

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and talk about the quarterbacks. We

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certainly did have quarterback movement though

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probably only one of those QBs

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himself is actually all that fantasy

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relevant in most leagues but

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enough QBs moved so that situations

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as we knew them from 2023

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have now been exploded

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in a bunch of spots and while

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many people in the NFL business

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will tell you exactly what their

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respective offenses that have changed quarterbacks

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will be you and I are

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smart enough to know we

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don't really know the full impact until

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we get into September, right? So like yeah

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often we wind up finding value because

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the market winds up underestimating

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offensive environments or overestimating

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offensive environments and that

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often starts with new quarterbacks in

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new situations. Alright, so Kirk Cousins

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not a very well-kept secret He

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gets the big money. He goes

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to the Falcons leaves behind the

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Vikings Cousins, he is what

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he is. He'll be 36 by

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opening day. We can quibble with it's

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too much money He won't be good

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in three years. You know, most guys

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aren't Tom Brady 40 years

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old. That's too old You know I'm just

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gonna always try and not worry about the money because

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there's always a way out of the money if you

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want there to be Aaron Rodgers untradeable

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Russell Wilson uncuttable the

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cap is crap Not gonna do that to talk today

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very much at least not until Dave gets here. We'll

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see What matters in

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this case is the Falcons? Falcons were willing

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to pay a lot of money because they

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wanted Kirk Cousins. And I mean

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we understand of course there are

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interesting weapons in Atlanta and a

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good offensive line and Cousins is

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a frustrating guy to root for

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if you're trying to have his

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NFL team be good but it's

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hard to argue that he probably

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isn't better for Bijon Robinson, Tyler

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Algier, Drake London, Kyle Pitts, Darnell

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Mooney signs there, Rondell Moore gets

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traded there. You know

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I think the smart fantasy mind probably

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says I bet

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you maybe some of these guys get a little too

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much helium in their

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fantasy stocks once the puff pieces begin

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which they will but certainly

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I will say overall setting aside what

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it will do to the AD piece

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of these guys it's a good impact

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having Cousins right and then Cousins himself

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you know he's gonna be QB

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12 he's gonna be QB 12

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something like that assuming the Achilles injury

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is passed you won't hate waiting for

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him in drafts but you

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also know very well that he's not

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that mobile and he can throw out

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stinkers when you least expect it. The

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aforementioned Russell Wilson he pretty

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much had his choice of teams who wanted

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him because he'll cost nothing the Broncos are

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paying him a ton of real dollars and

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Wilson chose the Steelers and

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the Steelers chose Wilson and

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listen I think you know how we felt

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about watching Russell Wilson on this show week

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by week last year. It

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appears that Russell is afraid

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to let these passes go

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into any kind of tight coverage out there.

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Yeah it sure did. People judging

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this stuff by top-line numbers will

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say what are you complaining

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about 26 touchdowns eight interceptions

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good year yeah he stayed away

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from mistakes it's true but he

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did that through timidity

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he was scared to

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throw it with anticipation over the middle.

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that's not an uncommon theme in his career certainly

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some complaints about him in Seattle it seemed to

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get a lot worse in Denver uh...

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he isn't terrible I'm just to

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the point where I don't expect improvement and

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he's going to a place that's conservative

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by nature and Arthur Smith

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is the new coordinator and they traded

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away Deontay Johnson about which more later

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I'm not killing the Steelers for doing this

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because Kenny Pickett hasn't shown a lot but

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this is a holding pattern kind of move

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obviously you're not winning a title with this

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move winning games you know I

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think the Steelers have a pretty great record of

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winning games that's a good thing I think going

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nine and eight instead of four and thirteen I

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think it helps your team eventually if

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you're if you're down years aren't that down

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I don't think Pittsburgh's pass offense will be

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super exciting I think

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it'll be a little better with Wilson we'll see what else they

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do among receivers for sure and

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if the market winds up super hating

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that offense a year after it decided

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that that offense was going to be

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amazing after the preseason remember that who

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knows you know that could wind up actually being

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some value there Baker Mayfield

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resigns with Tampa and Mike Evans

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stage two my

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guess is that we get a kind

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of Seahawks circa twenty twenty three factor

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here where everyone decides actually

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pretty great environment they're definitely going to

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do it again and then Mayfield probably

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lapses a little bit back into what

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we've known him to be in his

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NFL career uh... but

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it certainly is stability for

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Tampa and then we get three QBs who

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for the moment look like starters for their

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NFL teams but uh... other shoes

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are probably dropping we got Sam Darnold

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going to the Vikings that's not great

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obviously the Vikings now look

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like a serious candidate to draft a quarterback

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if it winds up being darled

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for seventeen games throwing to Jefferson

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and Addison not thrilled

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I suspect it won't be Gardner-Minshew

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to the Raiders I mean I

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can't be the plan, can it? My

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Purdue listeners out there are yelling,

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Aiden O'Connell, and I'm not dismissing

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O'Connell or any other one-year quarterback after just

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one year, but he didn't impress in one

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season. I have to think there's something else

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coming in Vegas, but if it's Minxu throwing

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it to Devontae Adams, Adams

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is a great player, it'll be fine. You

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know, and maybe he'll slip so much Adams

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will in ADP that I'll wind up being

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interested, but I do think it, you

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know, wouldn't maybe make for an objectively

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great offensive environment. And

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Jacoby Brissette, back to the Patriots, I

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told you they weren't going to trade for Justin Fields

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and they ain't. It's going to be

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Brissette for however long it takes Drake May

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or Jayden Daniels to get acclimated. And

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you know, that's not good, that's bad.

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Brissette is a professional statue, but also

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a good game manager. You

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are looking at the NFL's worst

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offense as currently constituted, but fortunately

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they don't play games as currently

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constituted in March. We

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care about Raimondre Stevenson, of course, and

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I'm sure we'll talk more about him when we get to

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Antonio Gibson later in the show. After

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that, Jamis Winston to the

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Browns, the wacky waving inflatable arm

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flailing tube man, comes to Lake

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Erie, which is objectively

9:14

hilarious, and Deshaun Watson is

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coming off shoulder surgery. One

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can only hope we get

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some September Jamis. Joe Flacco

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goes to the Colts and

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Anthony Richardson is coming off

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shoulder surgery, so maybe there's

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September Flacco. Desmond Ritter got

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himself traded to Arizona for

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Rondell Moore, making Ritter

9:35

clearly into Kyler Murray's backup.

9:37

Sam Howell gets traded from the commanders

9:39

to the Seahawks. It's clear

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that Geno Smith is on relatively thin

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ice in general and after last year

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probably deserved to be, but yeah,

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I mean, honestly, I think Sam

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Howell is probably less of a threat to

9:53

him in the short term than an early

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round rookie quarterback would have been, and maybe

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they'll still take one. We'll see. former

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backup in Seattle, Drew Locke, he goes

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to the Giants. I mean

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Daniel Jones, I think, probably

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gets first crack, but it's also his

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last crack, if you know what I'm

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saying. And Mack Jones, good old Mack,

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gets traded to Jacksonville, where he will

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presumably sit and sulk as he's done

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for a couple years in New England.

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Jones is the pure back, back

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up to Trevor Lawrence, of course. This

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still leaves one big unknown,

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Justin Fields. As of

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our recording this, on very early on a

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Friday morning, March 15th, he's

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still sitting out there. I

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can still squint and see a reason

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that teams like the Vikings, the Raiders,

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the Broncos, maybe the Saints, maybe the

10:41

Seahawks, I don't know, probably not. And

10:44

probably a team or two that don't

10:46

instantly come to mind could still be

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interested in trading for Fields. This

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looks like a pretty obvious game

10:54

of chicken, where GMs around the

10:56

league simply don't believe the Bears

10:58

can keep Justin Fields around and

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also draft Caleb Williams, so they're

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just willing to wait until the

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price comes down to, what, like

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a fourth round pick, maybe something like that. And

11:10

yeah, it also absolutely can indicate that there's

11:12

doubt out there about Fields, and there probably

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should be some, and about

11:17

having to recreate one's offense for

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a hyper-mobile quarterback who, at best,

11:21

has been inconsistent as a passer.

11:24

You might remember, after that week 12 win

11:26

in Minnesota in a prime time game, I

11:29

said I was super out on Fields, and

11:31

then to be honest, after that, he kind of once

11:34

again made me look like a goof. Those last five

11:36

games, Justin Fields played very well. I think

11:38

any fair reckoning of the film has

11:41

to say, no, he's not the most

11:43

accurate thrower, but he did a good

11:45

job reading defenses and being

11:47

decently safe with the ball. I'll say

11:50

it again, I wish the Patriots would

11:52

have traded for him. It

11:54

sure seems like Fields will wind up somewhere

11:57

else, and then we'll have one more situation

11:59

that changes. in a major way.

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So that is a quick scan of QB

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that I thought I could do so that

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we could spend more time on the other,

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let's face it, two big positions. So let's

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get to it. Today's

12:12

kick off. Okay, on today's show let's talk about

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the rest of the skill

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position player movement that has happened

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this week as we understand

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it with a special emphasis

12:23

on running back because by golly

12:25

we had some big name running

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backs, change teams. Our goal today

12:29

is not to give you ranks.

12:32

It's way, way, way too early for

12:34

ranks. There are still more free agents

12:36

to sign and the NFL draft is

12:39

still going to blow up some various

12:42

situations for sure but that's okay because this

12:44

time of year it's more fun to just

12:46

talk football. What we think of

12:48

player fits and player roles are initial

12:50

reactions to the very big names that

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have moved and as I mentioned, to

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help me with that, we'll have

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Dave Kluge from Football Guys. Now please

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footballguys.com. Oh my goodness. We've been texting about this show,

15:19

Dave, for like two weeks. I'm excited. We're finally doing

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it. How are you? I'm doing

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great. This was a very fun week. I don't

15:25

know how much this is really going to impact

15:28

the NFL. We always get super excited this time

15:30

of year and we go, oh, overreactions. This is

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amazing for this player. And I don't know if

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that's really the case, but there's certainly a lot

15:36

to talk about right now. I mean, it seems

15:38

like every domino fell in the first two days

15:40

of free agency. We never really see that. Usually

15:42

this gets drawn out for weeks and weeks and

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weeks, but we got it all in one week,

15:46

which is pretty fun. Yeah. I

15:49

mean, the good thing about waiting an extra day

15:51

is we got some extra super cool fun, weird

15:53

wide receiver things that happened. We wouldn't, if we'd

15:55

done the show yesterday, we wouldn't, wouldn't have been

15:57

able to talk about. And you're right. running

16:00

backs which that's going to be the spine of what

16:02

we talk about here they

16:04

did sign really really quick I'd

16:06

say sitting here right now what

16:08

Alexander Madison is free that doesn't excite

16:11

me that much Zeke Elliott is

16:13

free that doesn't that much CH of

16:15

what really doesn't excite me you know

16:17

yeah it's bleak out there Nick

16:20

Chubb I think is probably gonna go at some

16:22

point but you know then then you have the

16:24

whole knee recovery thing that's I think he's got a chance

16:26

to get out of there let's do

16:28

it let's dig dig in we're gonna talk running

16:30

backs for a good half hour here we'll start

16:32

with Saquon Barkley you may have

16:34

heard Saquon Barkley kind of good at football

16:37

and listens to

16:39

this show or used to or something

16:41

there's there's some hint there therefore I

16:43

am contractually obligated to love Saquon Barkley

16:46

and he moves Jim McCormick

16:48

was on last week and and we

16:50

were talking about we're trying not to like

16:52

guess landing spots but Jim is an Eagle

16:55

fan and we were going what

16:57

about this team what about that team what about this

16:59

team and my my like last thought was what if

17:01

you went back to the Giants oh I would just

17:03

that would be the worst of all worlds instead

17:05

we maybe got the best of all worlds I

17:09

don't know if you know this but now there's gonna be

17:11

too many mouths to feed in Philadelphia so it's death for

17:13

sake one Barkley that sounds like

17:15

a clutch argument to me right or a crutch argument to me

17:17

right yeah that's what I

17:19

thought no I don't hate this and a

17:22

lot of people I've seen people

17:24

on both sides of the fence some

17:26

people say well you know the tush

17:28

push is going to impact his ability

17:30

to score touchdowns and that Jaylen hurts

17:32

doesn't check down all that much and

17:34

those are real concerns I guess if

17:36

you really want to just be scared

17:38

off by a really talented player like Saquon Barkley

17:40

but we saw just two years ago

17:42

Miles Sanders who is half of the players sake

17:44

one Barkley is was able to score double digit

17:46

touchdowns and just last year DeAndre

17:48

Swift and you know you could say maybe it

17:50

was because Jalen hurts his mobility was impacted by

17:52

the injury but DeAndre Swift caught

17:54

a lot of passes from Jalen hurts so

17:56

now they have a running back who is

17:59

better than my life Sanders and better than

18:01

DeAndre Swift in this same offense, I mean

18:03

this is just great. Yeah, I mean like

18:05

I said, some people are going to get

18:07

scared off and you can nitpick

18:09

and do whatever you

18:11

want with Jalen Hurts and get scared by how

18:13

he impacts running backs, but it's Saquon Barkley. I'm

18:15

just going to bet on the talent and bet

18:17

on him being in a good offense and I'm

18:19

not going to get scared off. Me

18:22

neither. Obviously, I think nobody's surprised to hear

18:24

that. We're dealing with a running back certainly

18:26

in the later stages of his prime and

18:28

that is

18:30

fair and it is fair to say we've seen

18:32

Saquon Barkley get hurt a bunch in his career

18:35

and it's fair to say, gosh, if

18:37

I'm choosing between him and the likes of

18:39

Bijon Robinson and Breece Hall, you know, the

18:42

super elites, it's fair to say,

18:44

you know what? My tiebreaker is youth. My

18:47

tiebreaker is, you know, I'm

18:49

not going to get terribly frightened

18:51

by situation either way and but

18:54

boy, I don't know how Barkley doesn't wind up as a

18:56

first round pick in redraft leagues. I

18:58

think he's got to be. I mean, the biggest complaint

19:00

we've always had about Saquon Barkley hasn't been him. It's

19:03

been his offensive line. I don't think he's ever had

19:05

an offensive line that's ranked in the top half of

19:08

the NFL and now he's behind arguably the

19:10

best run blocking offensive line. So now he's

19:13

actually going to be able to find

19:15

holes and get out in space, something that

19:17

we've never really seen him be able to

19:19

do in New York. So yeah, if he

19:22

creeps into the first round, that might be

19:24

where I pumped the brakes a little bit.

19:27

But if we're getting second round, Saquon Barkley with the

19:29

Eagles next year, I'm going to be drafting quite a

19:31

bit. Okay, well, we'll see

19:33

how that goes. So another favorite

19:35

of the show, the Jacked Gerbil,

19:38

Josh Jacobs, he goes to Green

19:40

Bay. That was a shocker. There

19:43

are a lot of bears rumors, your

19:45

Bears fan like that. That was that

19:47

was in the ether. There was various

19:49

things. And then suddenly we see the

19:51

Packers trade out Aaron Jones, who we'll

19:53

talk about in a little bit. And

19:55

they go with Josh Jacobs. Again,

19:59

hard to argue. You know, people hate, I don't

20:01

think people, there's people who don't like Saquon Barkley,

20:03

but there's a lot of hate in the

20:05

world for Josh Jacobs. People just didn't wanna believe

20:07

it was real. This is fake, this is volume.

20:10

Look at his yards per carry. I

20:13

will certainly grant anyone who

20:15

wants to make a negative Jack

20:17

D'Gerbil case that he held out

20:20

last year, potentially came into

20:22

camp not in the best shape, took a while

20:25

to ramp up, got hurt. The

20:27

Raiders were an absolute dumpster fire on offense,

20:29

but my goodness, again, let's just

20:31

be, let's try to be simple

20:33

in our analysis. I'm

20:35

as excited for Aaron Jones in the Packers offense,

20:38

I'm more excited for Josh Jacobs. Yeah,

20:40

he's younger and he is a very talented

20:42

running back and a lot of people hold

20:44

onto this, what he did in his rookie

20:46

season when he didn't pull a lot of

20:48

targets and you still hear this narrative

20:51

that Josh Jacobs doesn't catch passes. Well,

20:53

he's pulled 45 plus targets in

20:56

every single season since his rookie year

20:59

and we know that this LaFlore offense gets

21:01

a lot of targets to the running back. So with

21:03

Aaron Jones out of the picture, now I think we're

21:05

gonna be looking at Josh Jacobs with a full

21:08

workload. I mean, there's rumors that they're, I

21:11

don't think it's official yet, but that they're trying

21:13

to bring back A.J. Dillon. So if you're looking

21:15

at a backfield of Josh Jacobs and A.J. Dillon,

21:18

they overlap a lot in what they do.

21:20

Josh Jacobs is just better at doing all

21:22

of those things. So I don't think there's

21:24

going to be a situation where they're pulling

21:26

Josh Jacobs off the field or

21:29

certain bounds or anything like that. He's going to

21:31

be on the field almost all of the time

21:33

unless A.J. Dillon is spelling him. This situation with

21:35

Aaron Jones out of the picture now and Josh

21:37

Jacobs in Green Bay, essentially by himself, I'm not

21:40

scared off by A.J. Dillon in the slightest. This

21:42

is about as good as it gets. Given

21:45

Josh Jacobs history, his age, and the offense

21:47

that he's on now, I think we've got

21:49

to be looking at him if

21:51

not in the top tier of running backs. I

21:53

think Bijon, Breeze, CMC, they're

21:56

probably in their own tier with the

21:58

three of them by themselves. But

22:00

I think Josh Jacobs is right a

22:02

top tier to waste whether it's Karen

22:05

Williams sake. One Barkley who we just

22:07

talked about wherever it is at adjusting

22:09

of deserves to be it. Probably that

22:11

one to turn assuming they don't add

22:13

anybody else to this backfield. Yeah.

22:16

To mean. It's. A deal

22:18

and that without be said to be wonderful

22:21

citizen erased if you're if you're Jacobs Dynasty

22:23

owner the of the hoping to get a

22:25

great twenty twenty four out of I'm aged.

22:28

Ellen's a best case, disease is not good

22:30

and Jacobs's very good again. I mean this

22:32

will be a sixth season so some wants

22:34

to make the case. We go. Boy you

22:37

know I'm. Luke. Luke

22:39

luke concerned as does. These.

22:41

In the later stages of his of

22:43

is true prime and utility and I'd

22:45

rather go someone younger. There's logic to

22:47

that. I completely get it. He's a

22:49

really good player, He pees going

22:51

to belong in the first phone conversation to

22:54

my my first blush is Barclays at of

22:56

Jacobs but I am. I could easily change

22:58

my mind depending as and it we golem.

23:01

And. Obviously there's still a younger guys are

23:03

unworthy deals, but looking at all of

23:05

these reagents, do stakeouts. Was my number

23:07

one free agent running back because was

23:09

eight years younger than Barclays, younger than

23:11

Mix in Henry Angler power all these

23:13

other guys. So he does have you

23:15

know somewhere and hair on his bodies

23:18

of water usage overs time in Las

23:20

Vegas for. We gotta remember he was

23:22

drafted at such a young age that

23:24

he's not an old running back by

23:26

any means. He still is relatively young.

23:28

He's got the usage bites, he's not,

23:30

you know, He is that somebody

23:32

that I expected completely follow up in age from.

23:34

yet? I think he still got a couple of

23:36

years in the same. Age

23:38

isn't so much a thing for me for the

23:40

stuff. It's yours. You know it's like I don't

23:42

really care what age they come in, if they've

23:44

got five years on, I'm yeah, that's that's the

23:47

super where you know you. That. That

23:49

matters of. What? will do

23:51

joe mixon next you mentioned him he's

23:53

got seven years on him which is

23:55

more than five and he went of

23:58

getting traded i guess it was essentially

24:00

a cut, but call it a trade, cool. He

24:03

goes from the Bengals to the Texans. I'm

24:07

not going to say that his film

24:09

showed massive downgrade. People

24:12

certainly wanted to tell you that during the middle of

24:14

last year when the numbers weren't good, but in part

24:17

the numbers weren't good because Joe Burrow wasn't there, and

24:19

then by the end, once again, Joe Burrow wasn't there,

24:21

and you just go, okay, I'm not sure how much

24:23

that all tells me. The best

24:25

thing about Joe Mixon is probably still

24:27

short yardage, just a square,

24:29

hard, true

24:32

runner. He just

24:35

smashes you, right? He's got enough

24:37

acceleration to be somewhat exciting, and

24:39

he lands once again in just what looks

24:41

like a wonderful situation for him. But I

24:43

think it's fair to say no

24:46

matter where he was going to land, and we

24:48

weren't positive he was moving from Cincinnati, Cincinnati's a

24:50

good offensive environment, Houston's at least as good, I

24:52

think we think, with the benefit

24:54

of nothing. Year to

24:56

year things do change. I'm

24:58

good with this. I think Joe Mixon still winds

25:00

up being a really rock solid option.

25:04

His first run days are probably still behind him, though. Yeah,

25:07

and I'll just say this is a lateral

25:09

move, but that's kind of how I'm looking

25:11

at this, going from Cincinnati to Houston, pretty

25:13

lateral move. Mixon, we

25:15

can go on and on about the

25:18

waning efficiency we've seen over the years, but

25:22

regardless, he's still produced in fantasy.

25:24

He is very much so a volume play. He's

25:26

going to get a lot of volume. He got

25:29

a lot of volume in Cincinnati. He's going to

25:31

continue to get a lot of volume here in

25:33

Houston, and Houston's going to score a lot

25:35

of touchdowns, and he's going to get that short yardage ability that's

25:37

going to allow him to score fantasy points. So

25:41

I don't want to say that he's moving up

25:43

or down with this transaction. I think it's

25:45

a pretty lateral move. Joe

25:47

Mixon every single year in fantasy drafts gets hated

25:50

on, and everybody cites the efficiency metrics and says

25:52

that he's going to fall off, and whatever it

25:54

may be. It seems like that's

25:56

been the same song and dance year after year after

25:58

year, and he remains at discount. I'm guessing

26:00

Joe Mixon's probably going to be somewhere

26:03

in the late second, early third round.

26:06

People are going to be drafting him as a high-end

26:08

RB2. I'm willing to take the chance here. We've got

26:10

to remember this Houston offense, such creative

26:12

run blocking, getting their guys out in space,

26:15

they made Devin Singletary look like an RB1

26:17

last year. I don't have a whole lot

26:19

of concerns about Joe Mixon here. Yeah,

26:22

me neither. Meath injury, that's the

26:24

older they get. Every

26:26

running back. Every running back, but I

26:28

think it's clear that the older they get, not

26:31

only the more injured they get, but also the harder it is

26:33

to come back. It's

26:36

certainly a concern, but he's going to be a super quality

26:38

option. Again, people who

26:41

listen to the show have made a lot of money on

26:43

Joe Mixon over the years, so we're not complaining. Derek

26:45

Henry, people who listen to the show probably have made

26:48

a little less money on Derek Henry because it took

26:50

me a while to adapt

26:53

to his particular

26:55

blend of madness, which is to be

26:57

completely stuffed for three quarters, but have

27:00

his team absolutely commit

27:02

to it, and then eventually wear down

27:04

a defense and produce big plays. I

27:06

can't argue Derek Henry's been an absolute

27:08

league winner for years. Once

27:11

again, another dude, four straight guys, go to

27:13

offensive environments where you go, boy, that works.

27:16

I'm real happy. Derek Henry going to Baltimore.

27:19

Again, I would love it if

27:22

some loud voices out there say, sorry, with

27:24

Lamar Jackson. That means Derek Henry's worthless. That

27:27

would be wonderful. I tend to think it's

27:29

a big enough name where that won't happen.

27:33

Gus Edwards had 13 rushing touchdowns

27:35

last year in Baltimore. I'm

27:38

going to take it. If Gus Edwards can score

27:40

13 touchdowns here, I'm guessing that's probably

27:42

the baseline we should be looking at with Derek Henry.

27:45

The concerns here are that John Harbaugh

27:47

will occasionally just abandon the run. I

27:51

don't think anybody is going to commit

27:53

to establishing the run the way that

27:55

Mike Frable has over his time in

27:57

Tennessee. So, I guess that's maybe... concern

28:00

here and then obviously the age and

28:02

the usage and all those things but

28:05

again I'm just looking at Gus Edwards last

28:07

year what he did in this offense Derek

28:09

Henry is an upgrade from Gus Edwards what

28:13

I'm really excited about is what

28:15

this team is gonna look like late

28:17

in the year assuming and it's a

28:19

big assumption you know an undrafted guy

28:21

showed some flashes last year but if

28:23

Keaton Mitchell can come back and be

28:25

the same player that we saw last

28:27

year that combination of Keaton Mitchell and

28:29

Derek Henry and their different skill sets

28:31

with also the threat of what Lamar

28:33

Jackson could do this could be a

28:35

really fun rushing offense next year. Yeah

28:37

it's Henry's ninth season so once again we're

28:39

progressing up through the ranks that this will

28:41

be his ninth season and age 30

28:44

running backs the adi-adad ninth season running backs that's

28:47

that's a scary proposition he's not gonna lead the

28:49

NFL in carries probably the way he has what

28:51

for the last five years and he's not gonna

28:53

lead the NFL in rushing which he did not

28:55

come close to doing last year on a pretty

28:57

mediocre Tennessee team and so

28:59

like no I'm not gonna say Derek Henry's a

29:02

first round pick but it wouldn't

29:04

be shocking for him to submit a

29:06

first round season if he stays healthy

29:08

no sure thing some other guys get

29:10

hurt probably they will like there's

29:13

a world where we look at

29:15

we look back at Derek Henry as the 21st

29:18

overall pick and we go boy how do we

29:21

get that wrong he finished four like that's that's

29:23

certainly on the on the possibility and that's what

29:25

you want frankly from like early running backs you

29:27

want that chance at the brass ring yeah

29:30

and I think you can kind of pencil him in for

29:32

a thousand yards and double-digit touchdowns I

29:34

don't know if he's gonna have that you know

29:37

like what we saw like him chasing 2,000 rushing

29:39

yards like we saw a few years back like

29:42

those years are behind him but this is a

29:44

good environment for him to be productive score a

29:46

lot of touchdowns and intern score a lot of

29:48

fantasy points but it could also be a situation

29:50

where he doesn't get fed the

29:52

volume he did in years past so I

29:55

think at this point people kind of know the risk

29:57

with Derek Henry and he has continued

29:59

to by that risk year after year. It's

30:01

way too early to get into the Derek

30:03

Henry or this guy discussion. We'll have those

30:06

in a couple of months, but he's probably

30:08

gonna score touchdowns here. Lamar Jackson doesn't get

30:10

those goal line touches, the goal line rushes

30:12

that a lot of other rushing quarterbacks do.

30:15

When they get into the green zone

30:17

inside that five, 10 yard line, they're

30:20

much more content to just turn around and get

30:22

the ball to the running back. And if that

30:24

happens, Derek Henry's obviously gonna be the biggest beneficiary.

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we're back with Dave and we are

31:46

continuing to work our way through the

31:48

running backs with new homes. And

31:52

we've done four and

31:54

they all landed with pretty great spots.

31:56

The four guys that are probably the

31:58

premier guys here. Now

32:00

we're gonna talk about some guys who didn't land in

32:02

great spots, but still we're gonna draft

32:04

them and be interested in them We're gonna start out

32:06

with your Chicago Bears who signed? DeAndre

32:09

Swift who I talked about last week on

32:12

the show with Jim McCormick just

32:14

a weird season that started so good

32:16

and then Something

32:19

something strange happened that wound up with

32:21

all the coordinators being fired like frankly

32:23

I think if they'd kept the approach

32:25

that they'd used that made swift a

32:27

big hit not week one where he barely played

32:29

But for the you know weeks two through whatever

32:32

six or seven Frankly, I

32:34

think the Eagles story might have been a lot different last

32:36

year But they didn't and maybe

32:38

part of that is DeAndre Swift himself He

32:41

goes to Chicago. It's you know,

32:43

Chicago's got a lot of weapons We're gonna talk about

32:45

a new receiver in Chicago later in the show They

32:49

certainly are surrounding what we think will be

32:51

a rookie quarterback with a bunch of very

32:53

skilled offensive weapons But Swift has been nothing

32:55

but a tease so far in his NFL

32:57

career Yeah, man

32:59

he is one of the hardest guys to

33:01

get a read on because you watch him

33:03

do some things that very few running backs

33:06

can do in the NFL with his elusiveness

33:08

and his breakaway speed but Why

33:11

do coaches just not like him? I

33:13

don't get it Like it seems like every stop he's

33:16

had in his NFL career and um Chris I don't

33:18

know if you watch hard knocks or not. No,

33:20

there's I didn't think you did

33:22

but there was one Scene

33:25

from hard knocks that is just burned into

33:27

my head And it was from deuce daley's

33:29

first year in Detroit and they were doing

33:31

a film review And deuce

33:33

daley was tearing into DeAndre Swift for not finishing

33:35

a run and he was pointing to film from

33:37

the previous season Where you say why don't you

33:40

just put your head down here? You could have

33:42

picked up another five or six yards, but instead

33:44

he just stepped out of bounds He's like we

33:46

need those hard yards You need to be picking

33:48

up the extra yards at the end of every

33:50

single play and that was the season that Jamal

33:52

Williams kind of usurped the RB one role from

33:55

DeAndre Swift So I don't know if it's just

33:57

that that he doesn't finish runs that he

33:59

doesn't run hard enough like you like I said

34:01

he's got the speed he's got the elusiveness he's

34:03

got all the breakaway stuff that's exciting but he

34:05

doesn't really pick up those hard yards and I'm

34:08

wondering if that is just why he continues to

34:10

end up in the doghouse every step of his

34:12

NFL career he's young he's

34:14

exciting but I don't know

34:16

man I really like Khalil Herbert I

34:19

like the flashes we saw from Roshan

34:21

Johnson last year there's obviously a new

34:23

offensive coordinator now in Chicago where gets

34:25

he has a history of kind of

34:27

running a committee Shane Waldron is much

34:29

more apt to leaning on one guy

34:31

I just don't know DeAndre Swift

34:33

is the guy that you can lean on for

34:35

20 plus touches a game I think it is

34:37

going to be a little bit more split with

34:39

these other backs involved yeah

34:42

we'll see I mean it's possible maybe one of them

34:44

one of them goes away as well it's

34:47

it's depth chart stuff is tough you know

34:50

I don't know I don't know what the philosophy is

34:52

gonna be for Chicago it's way too early for me

34:54

to know you know Swift

34:57

is a you know there hasn't been a bigger

34:59

booster of Khalil Herbert than me I loved his

35:01

rookie year when he got it when

35:03

he got chances behind David Montgomery just loved it and

35:07

you know just got hurt last year you

35:10

know the tire offense was a mess in September he

35:12

gets hurt comes back shows

35:14

flashes they just absolutely were not committing

35:16

to him and they're

35:18

signing DeAndre Swift I just am taking the

35:20

L on Khalil Herbert for all of

35:22

you out there listening who are like man I was

35:25

really counting on Herbert for the next couple years in

35:27

dynasty I feel like you know the

35:29

best thing that could happen would be for him to

35:31

try somewhere else because it doesn't feel like that's gonna

35:33

happen in Chicago and as far

35:35

as Swift goes he's very

35:38

talented he is very talented he's

35:40

also kind of a dancer and

35:42

I think that drives I guess we're saying the same

35:44

thing I've kind of come to the you know over

35:46

the years I mean there was the year two years

35:48

ago where people tried to make him a first-round pick

35:51

he was my number one bust for that year that

35:53

was the Jamal Williams year like that

35:55

was a good call but it really wasn't so much about

35:58

I think DeAndre Swift is bad it

36:00

was more like I kind of don't know what he

36:02

is yet and I don't want to bet an entire

36:04

fantasy team on him. And that

36:08

sentiment to kind of pump

36:10

him up because of college credentials because

36:12

of whatever, that's not going

36:14

to be there anymore. The market isn't going to take

36:16

the cheese entirely on Dandrosift again. That

36:19

actually could wind up leading to value because

36:21

he is really good and you talk about

36:24

Deuce Daley saying not finishing runs.

36:26

I talk about too much

36:28

lateral movement when just like a little north-south

36:30

would be better. Like maybe we're kind of saying

36:32

the same thing. But he's

36:34

just such a good player in space. There's going

36:36

to be certainly a point. I'm

36:39

going to be paying attention to that ADP real close because there's going

36:41

to be a point where I go, okay,

36:44

now people are too down on Dandrosift. Yeah,

36:47

absolutely. And again, everything we're talking

36:49

about right now, it's so tough to

36:51

say like I'm in or out on this player because we don't

36:53

know whether ADP is going to be. Right, I don't care yet.

36:55

If Deandrosift is in the second round, I'm probably out on Deandrosift.

36:57

That's right. He's falling into the fourth and fifth. Sure, I'll take

37:00

the chance there. That's right. That's right. But

37:02

he's the kind of dude who again, there

37:05

are going to be times where we

37:07

want the running back

37:09

who's safe, who we perceive as being safe. I

37:12

mean, last year that was Damian Pierce, right? But

37:16

Deandrosift's not going to be that. I think we feel safe in

37:18

saying that he won't be one of the safe guys. Austin

37:21

Echler, another player who

37:24

probably has not benefited from my, there are a

37:26

lot of listeners who were like, yeah, I missed

37:28

out on a couple of good Austin Echler years

37:31

because of Harris. He goes to

37:33

the commanders who are, well,

37:36

I mean, they're reshaping stuff. I

37:38

don't exactly understand everything they're doing.

37:42

It strikes me that Brian Robinson was pretty

37:44

good. I guess Echler now exists

37:47

in the Antonio Gibson world. I

37:50

don't know. I guess my

37:53

gut reaction, my first reaction is not knowing

37:55

what the market's going to do with

37:57

Austin Echler. At least I feel like

38:00

Some vindication that I kept telling people

38:02

that he's not a lead back. I

38:04

just don't see enough between the tackles

38:06

really tough Hardworking tries super

38:08

but like this is a space player

38:11

and with Robinson on that team It feels like

38:14

Washington is telling us. Yes. He is our space

38:16

player Absolutely. Yeah, I

38:18

couldn't agree more in the the best years

38:20

We saw from Echler were when he was

38:22

playing that kind of secondary role behind Melvin

38:24

Gordon And then he had

38:26

the one year where he boomed on his own with was

38:29

it like 14 touchdowns or something like that?

38:31

But last year we saw that he was

38:33

unable to replicate that You

38:36

know, I don't want to say that I'm

38:38

like completely out on offenses because I feel

38:40

like there's always value to be had But

38:42

what Washington's doing right now is scaring me,

38:44

you know, you assume at number two they're

38:46

gonna take either Jayden Daniels or Drake May

38:49

but If neither of

38:51

those guys are ready to go week one, they're gonna be

38:53

trotting out Marcus, Marietta And Yeah,

38:57

Echler is a guy that I think you can't kind

38:59

of read the tea leaves a little bit. He's getting

39:01

up there in age He's undersized You

39:04

know, he really benefited from seeing what

39:06

was it almost six targets per game with

39:08

Justin Herbert I can't imagine

39:10

he's gonna be able to Retain that

39:12

level of usage at his age on

39:14

a small contract on a team with

39:16

Terry McLaren and Johan Datsin and Brian

39:18

Robinson and what we expect to be

39:20

kind of a Slower

39:23

paced offense Yeah,

39:25

Austin Eckler is a tough one for me to

39:27

really get behind this year I

39:29

think that he's going to be the

39:31

kind of change of pace guy behind Brian

39:33

Robinson Yeah, and

39:35

yet because he's such a dynamic player in

39:37

space and because he really is very good

39:40

in short yardage Like he isn't

39:42

that good between the tackles anywhere else, but

39:44

he's a strong little dude in short yardage

39:46

like Everything you're saying

39:48

it's like I Introduced

39:50

it the same way it feels suffused in

39:53

negativity and yet because the market is likely

39:55

to go so negative on Echler It's a

39:57

chance we might be in on him It's

40:00

gonna yeah, it's gonna come down entirely to price

40:02

and saying oh boy. I can get him as

40:04

my flex. Okay cool You know yes I would

40:06

do that But yeah And Brian Robinson is also

40:09

great in short yardage and I think that that's

40:11

right might be the out for Echler is if

40:13

he does Somehow take over that role as the

40:15

short yardage guy, but then you also have to

40:17

ask yourself How much short

40:19

yardage work is there going to be how many goal

40:21

line coaches are there gonna be on the offense? I

40:23

mean I ask I ask myself stuff

40:25

that stuff, but that's the stuff that leads us to

40:28

thinking Tampa's offense has no chance

40:30

in 2023 Seattle's offense has no chance in

40:32

2022 like we're just wrong about this stuff

40:34

all the time so so

40:36

again, I think I think

40:38

we've done our due diligence on Echler and the landing

40:40

spot because what we need to see is We

40:43

need to get to like mid August and

40:45

see what when when drafts really start happening

40:47

How much are people punishing the perception of

40:50

the commanders as being terrible in which case

40:52

we might go hey? Let's

40:54

bounce in again. Let's be excited about

40:56

it But sure like just from a Like

40:59

what does it do to my overall feeling about the

41:01

player? It doesn't do good things That's

41:04

that is a fair point. All right, Tony Pollard coming

41:08

off of You

41:10

know not that terrible of a season

41:12

with Dallas He didn't you play

41:14

in that by the way because yeah the what

41:17

people think is that Tony Pollard is terrible He was

41:19

injured and he had some bad luck, but he looked

41:21

pretty good for the second half of the season Yeah,

41:25

he was fine, and he had some really bad

41:27

luck he had constant Stuff a

41:29

jet one yard when it was really at

41:31

the goal Why he just could not get

41:33

past and and frankly the Cowboys completely fell

41:36

out of love with running the ball in

41:38

general I mean Mike McCarthy became a pretty

41:41

Crazy devoted like throw at all costs kind

41:44

of coach by the end and in the

41:46

playoffs it did not work at all So

41:48

anyway, Tony Pollard goes to a remade Tennessee

41:50

Titans offense And we're going to talk about something

41:53

else the Titans did when we get to receivers You

41:57

know know Derek

41:59

Henry no Mike Frable, and

42:03

Tony Pollard isn't the only good running

42:05

back in Tennessee, and I think that's

42:07

probably where the analysis starts. And

42:10

these are some of the toughest back fields for me to try to

42:12

get a read on, where you have two running backs that are kind

42:15

of similar. Tony Pollard's got a

42:17

little bit of a size advantage, but I

42:19

think Tony Pollard and Taji Spears, their strengths

42:22

overlap quite a bit. It's the

42:24

breakaway speed, the open field stuff. Tony

42:27

Pollard's probably a little bit better between the

42:29

tackles than people realize, and probably better

42:31

between the tackles than Taji Spears is. But

42:35

this really kind of concerns me. I

42:37

like to try to look at the situations

42:39

like Austin Echler, Bryan Robinson, where it seems

42:41

kind of clear who's going to do what, or

42:43

Derek Henry and Keaton Mitchell, like we talked about

42:45

earlier. I don't really know how the touches

42:47

are going to be split up here in Tennessee, and I think

42:50

it's impossible to try to guess that

42:52

right now, because both of their

42:55

play styles overlap quite a bit. I

42:58

think this is going to be one of those

43:00

situations where I think Tony Pollard with the big

43:02

contract is going to get steamed up into ADP

43:04

a little bit, and people are going to get

43:06

excited about him, saying, oh, he's the new Derek

43:09

Henry. This might be one where I'm a little

43:11

bit more likely to sit back and wait and

43:13

draft Taji Spears at a discount, just

43:15

knowing that he can do a lot of the

43:17

same things Tony Pollard can. I

43:19

don't know. This back field, as it stands right now,

43:22

is really, really tough for me to get a read

43:24

on. Yeah, maybe

43:26

the answer is just you want the second guy.

43:29

Whoever's got the lower ADP, which you're right, at

43:31

this point would seem to probably be Spears. I

43:34

did a film breakdown, a pretty extensive one

43:36

on Spears at the very end of

43:38

last year and came away thinking, oh, he's

43:40

one of my guys now. I really like him. Yeah.

43:44

He's a little small. He's

43:46

a little of the tiny boned variety

43:48

here. But yeah, I

43:52

like Taji Spears a lot. It

43:54

does mess things up a little bit. It was really

43:56

tempting to think that maybe the Titans were

43:58

going to get another one. cheap

44:00

running back to go along with Spears and then Spears gets

44:02

to look like the main guy and we get to kind

44:04

of maybe it's fine maybe

44:06

it's fine for folks who like Spears that

44:09

Pollard is there which isn't to say Pollard

44:11

is bad or will somehow you know definitely

44:13

spit the bit so that we're getting some

44:15

great great value and the fact is one

44:17

of them probably gets hurt because that's the

44:19

NFL right and then we're really happy we

44:21

have the other one but but

44:24

yeah I mean the Titans we'll talk

44:26

about the Titans and their philosophy a little more

44:28

when we get to receivers but like

44:31

they I'm thinking Titans Patriots I'm you know

44:33

a Patriot fan so I'm comparing the two

44:36

and like one is saying we want

44:38

nobody we want to

44:40

be we want to have no contracts we

44:42

want to spend no money we're not gonna

44:44

be good anyway so just let's forget it

44:47

and one is going hey look money is fake

44:50

in the NFL we all are billionaires let's just

44:52

spend it and have some fun pieces and see

44:54

if our quarterback can play and

44:56

boy I sure do prefer the second philosophy boy if I

44:58

were a Titan fan I'd be a lot happier than I

45:00

were if I were a Patriot fan mm-hmm

45:03

yeah one more I guess

45:06

you would say like elite running back who at least

45:08

he's been an elite running back Aaron

45:10

Jones the aforementioned

45:13

leaves Green Bay and goes

45:15

to Minnesota where there's no

45:17

longer any Alexander Madison there is Ty

45:20

Chandler though and you know

45:23

honestly I probably if I were making

45:25

a comp for Ty Chandler it might

45:27

be Aaron Jones yeah this sort of

45:29

undersized but somehow better between

45:31

the tackles like fast but like more

45:33

crafty than anything maybe at

45:35

this point in their careers Chandler's faster because

45:38

Chandler did look really fast last year but

45:40

Aaron Jones is just a baller I

45:42

think if you have reservations about Aaron Jones though it

45:44

just comes down to injury yeah and

45:47

I think looking back at what Aaron Jones did

45:49

last year I keep asking myself like is Aaron

45:51

Jones still really really good or is

45:53

it just that at the point in the season when

45:55

he returned everybody else was banged up and a little

45:57

bit slower and he was on fresh legs because he

45:59

looked unbelievable down the stretch last

46:01

year. This was one of the most

46:03

head-scratching moves for me. I

46:06

thought Aaron Jones paired so well with Josh

46:08

Jacobs with Aaron Jones out of Green Bay

46:10

now. It obviously clears the paths for

46:12

Josh Jacobs breakout season. Well not breakout

46:14

season but you know just a great

46:16

productive season. I don't understand why

46:18

they cut Aaron Jones. Can't really wrap my mind

46:20

around it. They're eating a ton of

46:22

money in dead cap to get him off the roster. I

46:26

don't really understand it at all and

46:29

I'm with you. I like to Ty Chandler.

46:31

I think he's very good. There's skill sets

46:33

overlap a bit but they paid Aaron Jones

46:35

a reasonable amount of money. They usually tells

46:37

us that you know they have

46:39

big plans for him but Ty Chandler is really

46:41

good too. This is a lot like the Tennessee

46:43

backfield where their skill sets overlap quite a bit.

46:46

It's all gonna come down to ADP but this

46:48

might be another one of those situations where I

46:50

just prefer the cheaper back in drafts which is

46:53

likely gonna be Ty Chandler. Yeah

46:55

that seems clear. I think that's even clearer

46:57

because Ty Chandler has less height probably than

46:59

Spears just because Spears did more last year.

47:01

Maybe not. I mean Chandler was good towards

47:03

the end of last year. Hey

47:06

we made it to like the 40 something minute

47:08

mark before we started talking to salary cap. I'm really

47:10

proud of us for that. Let's not

47:12

do it again. Yeah I

47:14

don't care about the money.

47:16

Aaron Jones is really really good player and

47:18

maybe you're right. Maybe he was ever else was

47:21

tired and he wasn't. I think that's a fair

47:23

point but he's still a

47:25

really good player. The issue that

47:27

I'm gonna have is just again they

47:29

get further along in their careers they just get harder

47:32

and harder to trust and you're seeing a guy coming

47:34

out coming off of like that wasn't I mean we

47:36

need to remember what that injury season was like. That

47:38

wasn't just a man you

47:40

know he Nick chubbed himself. He like

47:42

he tore up his knee or whatever.

47:44

No this was in his what seventh

47:46

season that his hamstrings were like made

47:49

out of silly string and sadness as we used to

47:51

say about Al Sean Jeffrey like he's

47:53

back this week no he's not he's active

47:55

what no they were wrong he's active no

47:57

he didn't play like that was a

48:00

brutal season and it's three touchdowns

48:02

I think from scrimmage that he

48:04

wound up scoring in 11 games.

48:07

There's some warning signs and

48:12

let's to some degree, especially when it

48:14

comes to the Packers who are I

48:16

think are less financially

48:19

motivated than a lot of other teams because

48:21

they're publicly owned, let's believe the Packers maybe

48:23

a little bit when they say they don't

48:25

want the player anymore, that maybe it's not

48:28

just about contract, that maybe it's just about

48:31

we just don't want to have to deal with

48:33

that anymore. Like this guy, as much of a

48:35

blood and guts player and we all know that

48:37

when he's healthy he's 110% cliche,

48:40

all that stuff, but

48:42

like last year was a brutal ride probably for

48:44

them too not knowing on game day who they're

48:46

gonna have. In our game plan we can't really

48:48

use AJ Dylan the way we do Aaron Jones and

48:50

we don't have anyone else and this is brutal. Like

48:53

I'm kind of believing the transaction in

48:56

this case and casting signed up

48:58

with kind of a side eye at Aaron Jones going

49:00

into season eight. Yeah I

49:02

completely agree and that's what I said I'm kind of a

49:04

little bit more likely to take Ty Chandler here. The

49:07

younger guy who hasn't had the health problems, it

49:10

really it's hard to ignore that and

49:12

everything you said about Aaron Jones you can kind

49:15

of put the same kind

49:17

of label on Austin Echler, you know an

49:19

aging guy who struggled with injuries that a

49:21

team was willing to cast off. Yeah

49:25

it's gonna be tough for me to be

49:27

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49:29

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we're back with Dave and believe it or not we still

51:01

have a few more running backs I want to talk about

51:03

and then we'll get to the wide receivers. We

51:06

could probably do a little bit of a lightning

51:08

round here on the four guys with maybe one

51:10

of these. We don't need to

51:12

do that. We don't need to dig deep into these guys. Devin

51:15

Singletary goes to the Giants. It would

51:19

be really, really easy to super... I

51:22

hear you. It would be very

51:24

easy to super dismiss Devin Singletary if last

51:26

year hadn't happened but he was really good.

51:30

I suspect it's not going to go great for him

51:32

there. I suspect Dable loves him. I

51:34

mean, that's his... He's getting reunited with

51:36

Dable, right? Yeah, I mean we saw

51:39

Sequon Barkley struggle to produce in this

51:41

offense and now the offense is worse

51:43

than it was last year and now

51:45

they downgrade from Sequon to Devin Singletary.

51:47

So yeah, I'm going to be pretty

51:50

out on Devin Singletary next year regardless of

51:52

the cost. But remember, I mean remember, so

51:54

is the market. And so there comes a

51:57

price for you. You'll take anyone. If

52:00

everybody comes to the conclusion that the Giants are

52:02

absolutely hopeless and no Giant goes in the single

52:04

digit rounds, then I'll be a load

52:06

up on Giants. Also probably the Giants draft

52:08

someone or get someone else. I can't imagine

52:11

Eric Gray, Gary Brightwell as the backups. So

52:13

there's probably something else coming there. Zach

52:16

Moss goes to the Bengals and

52:19

obviously no Joe Mixon. The

52:23

thing, honestly, the Mixon thing says to me is

52:25

much less about Zach Moss and much more about

52:27

Chase Brown. Yeah, I

52:29

mean, am I crazy for

52:31

this peaking my interest a little bit? Zach

52:34

Moss looked pretty good in Indianapolis last year.

52:38

I think we joked around about this on your

52:40

show last year during the season that there was

52:42

just something wrong with the Buffalo Run game because

52:44

Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both look terrible in

52:46

Buffalo and then they find new homes in Houston

52:48

and Indianapolis and all of a sudden look like

52:50

pretty good running backs. I

52:53

think this is another kind of volume thing here. I

52:55

don't think Chase Brown is built to take 200 plus

52:58

touches in a season. So I think

53:00

Zach Moss could kind of slot into that Joe

53:02

Mixon role where he's getting a lot of the

53:05

early down work. He's getting a lot of the

53:07

goal line work and they use Chase Brown in

53:09

a role on third downs and on long and

53:11

distance and things like that where Chase Brown can

53:13

do what he does best and make the explosive

53:16

plays. But I think Zach Moss could

53:18

be a volume guy on a good

53:20

offense here. Again, I

53:23

don't have my rankings fleshed out this early in

53:25

the off season but I want to be surprised

53:27

one bit if Zach Moss kind of fits into

53:29

my rankings as a top 24 guy this year.

53:32

That was your lightning round? Man, you had something to

53:34

say about Zach Moss though. That's fair. Zach Moss, all of

53:36

these guys we're going to talk about, Zach Moss is

53:38

the one that peaks my interest the most. He doesn't

53:40

peak my interest and I think he stinks. I

53:44

think he had a couple of huge games

53:46

in weird situations for the Colts when Jonathan

53:48

Taylor got hurt and then people were like,

53:51

man, he's the nine among RBs and then

53:53

for a month he didn't do anything. There

53:55

was one week where he was ranked as

53:57

number two in consensus rankings and that That

54:00

was when I said, okay, we've gotten ahead of our

54:02

skis here. And I think he might have pooped himself

54:04

that week too. Like he did. He certainly did. He's

54:06

fine. But

54:08

like honestly, this to me, this

54:11

feels like a deck clearing for Chase Brown. I think

54:13

Chase Brown is going to wind up being better than

54:15

Zach Moss. So I'm

54:17

willing to reconsider that opinion. But I think this is

54:19

great news for... If Zach Moss is

54:21

the worst the Bengals could do to Chase Brown, I

54:24

know Chase Brown isn't a big dude. He's a tiny

54:26

bone too. Like I get it. But

54:29

there are Echler-esque, McCaffrey-esque

54:32

exceptions where if

54:35

an offense becomes geared enough around a

54:37

dude in space, like please don't tell

54:39

me, Chase Brown can't...

54:43

We can't invest in Chase Brown. He's too small

54:45

and then get super excited about Devon H. And

54:48

there are exceptions to these rules. And so anyway, I'm

54:51

interested. That was my version of a lightning round. That

54:53

was not very lightning round. Two more guys we can

54:55

go fast. The last thing I'll say, I do like

54:57

Chase Brown do. What I said about Zach Moss, Pro

55:00

Zach Moss does not mean I'm anti Chase Brown. I

55:02

like both of these guys. I think I

55:05

just found Zach Moss's new name, Pro Zach

55:07

Moss. Gus

55:10

Edwards goes to the Chargers. Yeah,

55:14

like the best I'll

55:16

say, let's not even talk about it. There's got

55:18

to be other players coming. Isaiah Spiller isn't the

55:20

only guy, right? There's got to be something like...

55:22

Blake Horum would be my guess. Good.

55:25

And then Antonio Gibson goes to the Patriots. You

55:29

know, they've needed a receiving back for a long time.

55:33

What do you think it does to Ramon Dre? Anything? I

55:36

don't know. And I talked at length

55:39

about this on my show on Monday. And

55:41

I'll try to keep it as quick as I can here. I

55:43

think everybody kind of has this mindset that like,

55:46

they have these hyper specific

55:48

roles for running backs in New England.

55:50

But this is the first time we've

55:52

seen a non Bill Belichick team. We don't know what this team

55:55

is going to look like. We don't know if it's going to

55:57

be more of a split or if there's going to be these

55:59

hyper specialized. roles or maybe Antonio Gibson goes

56:01

back to what he did in college and plays

56:03

out of the slot more it's

56:05

it's really tough to get a

56:08

read on this right now and I know I've copped out

56:10

on so many backfield saying this that I don't know what

56:12

to expect but I really don't know what to expect here.

56:14

Sure, that's fine. Remedre Stevenson is great to catch in the

56:16

ball, Antonio Gibson is great at

56:18

catching the ball, maybe depending on

56:20

who their quarterback is they just have

56:22

a lot of short dump-off passes and

56:24

both of these guys can get going

56:27

in the passing game. I'm gonna prefer

56:29

Remedre to Antonio Gibson most likely but

56:31

this is an intriguing spot for Antonio Gibson if

56:33

they can use him a little bit more creatively

56:36

than Washington has over the last few years. I

56:39

think you said it really well. I don't

56:41

mind you being flummoxed by back fields this

56:43

early because they're frankly not fleshed out. We

56:45

don't have to have finished opinions yet and

56:48

I'm with you actually as much as I'm down

56:50

on the Patriots that this is kind of a

56:53

weird interesting fun cool landing spot that I

56:55

predict doesn't kill Remedre that badly.

56:58

That Antonio Gibson is

57:00

gonna be asked to do something very different

57:02

than Zegelio was last year. They've been

57:05

looking for a new James White

57:08

for a long long time now

57:10

and I think Stevenson

57:12

is good at catching the ball but in a particular

57:14

kind of way that is

57:16

the kind of the big thundering moose who wow

57:18

that guy has hands too but mostly

57:21

you want it to be four yard passes.

57:23

I don't know if you've ever

57:25

heard this before. He was a college wide receiver.

57:28

Have you ever heard anybody say that before?

57:30

Antonio Gates played basketball in college. I

57:32

don't know if you were aware. Did

57:34

I say Gates? I meant Gibson. I

57:36

was saying Gates. Just another one that

57:38

we hear about entirely. Right, played basketball.

57:40

Yeah so like so Gibson I don't

57:44

know like the

57:46

new Patriots brass has

57:49

a pretty good track record of finding

57:51

gems among running backs and in their

57:53

in their previous team history at Packer

57:56

type team history so I'm

57:58

at least intrigued. I'm gonna pay attention. All right. enough

58:00

running backs. My goodness, that was a lot of

58:02

running backs, but it's the most important position in

58:04

fantasy and boy, we had a

58:06

lot of huge names move. So let's move to wide

58:08

receiver. Fewer giant names, but

58:11

a couple giant names that happened in the last 24

58:13

hours or 48 anyway. I'd

58:17

say among wide receivers, just if people want

58:19

to put a marker in the ground of

58:21

when we're recording this and who hasn't signed

58:24

yet, the reason we're not talking about them,

58:26

Mike Williams cut by the Chargers, but not

58:28

signed with anyone as of our recording this.

58:30

Odell Beckham, I guess, ostensibly

58:32

cut slash a free agent by the

58:35

Ravens. He also probably

58:37

has some usefulness left, but doesn't have a team

58:39

as of our recording this. The big

58:41

one, the thing that Dave got Dave

58:43

up this morning very early to record

58:46

this podcast is that late on Thursday,

58:48

the Los Angeles

58:50

Chargers have ditched my eldest son,

58:52

Kenan Allen. He

58:56

leaves for very little compensation

58:58

because he's very highly paid. So just

59:00

to get the salary off the books,

59:03

I guess the Chargers have

59:05

decided Ken Allen is no longer worth

59:07

the money and your Chicago Bears decided

59:09

he absolutely is. We hinted at it

59:12

earlier. Now it's DeAndre

59:14

Swift and Khalil Herbert. And

59:16

if you want to say Roshan Johnson, you can, but

59:18

I think he's not very good. And then at receiver,

59:20

it's Kenan Allen and DJ Moore. And

59:22

then it tied in its Cole commit. Like that

59:24

sounds like a very good offense. We'll see if

59:27

the quarterback can play. You

59:29

got to be excited. Ken Allen's a great player. He's

59:31

a great player. Yeah. And of course, age 32, that's

59:33

when you start to get a little

59:36

bit nervous here. And again, I know we don't want

59:38

to talk too much about salary and things like that,

59:40

but something I think that went over my head when

59:42

they made this trade immediately yesterday and was pointed out

59:44

to me this morning is that if

59:46

Kenan Allen walks after the 2024 season,

59:48

the Bears in return get a third

59:51

round comp pick. So essentially what they're

59:53

doing with this trade is getting a

59:55

one year rental of Kenan Allen, paying

59:57

him a ton of money and turning this year's fourth round.

1:00:00

pick into next year's third round pick so they're

1:00:02

actually moving up in the draft to get a

1:00:04

year of Keenan Allen. If they get rid of

1:00:06

him. If they get rid of him. Of

1:00:09

course you could play great and if that's the case and they

1:00:11

extend him even better then they've got an awesome wide receiver too

1:00:13

but whether it's Justin Fields coming

1:00:15

back which I don't expect or a number

1:00:17

one overall pick at quarterback which I do

1:00:19

expect what a great situation for a

1:00:22

quarterback to be and you already listed all the

1:00:24

guys this is suddenly a somewhat

1:00:26

respectable offense that they built in Chicago.

1:00:30

Yeah I mean the line is a question the

1:00:32

guy says Justin Fields is over there going guys

1:00:34

there's a reason I got you know run out

1:00:36

of town but I've

1:00:38

said it many many times on the

1:00:40

show but if any receiver can flout

1:00:42

the age 32 age whatever Keenan

1:00:45

Allen has had an old man game his

1:00:47

entire career you know he's

1:00:49

speed has never really been part of

1:00:51

his game he's about route adjustments he's

1:00:54

about smarts he's about stop-start and he's

1:00:56

about a crazy catch radius a

1:00:59

lot like Tyler Lockett where it's just

1:01:01

he is a technician and he is

1:01:03

able to get open doesn't need the

1:01:05

athleticism the speed the contested

1:01:07

catch abilities he just has those little

1:01:09

nuances to his route running or he is just

1:01:12

on an island almost every single time he takes

1:01:14

off I mean I might I don't

1:01:16

really agree with the Tyler Tyler Lockett used to be

1:01:18

very fast on a part of his problem

1:01:20

now is that he's not whereas Keenan Allen

1:01:22

never was but we can that's that's a

1:01:24

discussion for another time I think

1:01:27

we know what people want to say is

1:01:29

how bad is it for DJ more how

1:01:31

bad is it for Keenan Allen to have

1:01:33

two of them and

1:01:36

that's the domain of the crutch

1:01:38

argument we're only really gonna know when we

1:01:40

when we see how good the offense

1:01:42

actually is and we're only gonna know

1:01:44

how good the offense actually is when

1:01:46

games start counting I'm not gonna

1:01:49

be persuaded by what it looks

1:01:51

like in the preseason or in trying to

1:01:53

get but doesn't really matter in the end

1:01:55

if the pie is small because the quarterback

1:01:57

can't play yep the fact that there's Allen

1:01:59

and More on the same team.

1:02:01

You're not gonna be happy you have them

1:02:03

if the pie is CJ Stroud big you're

1:02:05

gonna Be very happy that

1:02:07

you have either one of them because there's gonna

1:02:09

be plenty for each to go around, right? It's

1:02:12

too early in the morning VDP getting me

1:02:14

this excited here Chris Just talking

1:02:17

about a CJ Stryde CJ

1:02:19

Stroud size pie yeah But

1:02:23

it's great. I mean the bottom line is fun, and

1:02:25

it's great and my eldest son goes to the Windy

1:02:27

City the Calvin

1:02:29

Ridley Apparently used the

1:02:31

New England Patriots to get a great big

1:02:33

offer out of the Tennessee Titans and and

1:02:35

he lands in Tennessee And this is what

1:02:38

I was hinting at earlier when we talked

1:02:40

about Tony Pollard The fun

1:02:42

of what the Titans have tried to do I don't

1:02:45

care about cap, and I don't care about

1:02:47

commitment I don't care like they all have

1:02:49

so much money, and it doesn't matter you

1:02:51

can do basically whatever you want with personnel

1:02:53

in the NFL and If

1:02:56

you choose to go out and get DeAndre

1:02:58

Hopkins one year and Calvin Ridley the next

1:03:00

year along with Tony Pollard and have Tige

1:03:02

Spears and granted you lose Derek Henry I

1:03:06

Get it. They're probably not gonna win the Super Bowl. They

1:03:08

might but like they're probably not For

1:03:10

me. I love it at the very least I don't even

1:03:13

like Kelvin early that much But I at least I want

1:03:15

to I don't want to plan for three

1:03:17

years from now in the NFL It's not the way the

1:03:19

league works You can you can change your fortunes in one

1:03:21

year if you get it Right at least

1:03:23

what I'll say about Calvin Ridley is much more of

1:03:25

a football thing Maybe than a fantasy thing you're gonna

1:03:28

find out about Will Levis by the end of the

1:03:30

year we're gonna know whether the Titans need a quarterback

1:03:32

or they've got a quarterback because You

1:03:34

say what you want about Hopkins being Mercurial

1:03:36

say what you want about Calvin Ridley being

1:03:39

maybe a similar kind of Mercurial They're

1:03:41

players so if if if

1:03:43

Will Levis can't make what these two guys he can't make it

1:03:47

That's exactly what I was gonna say all

1:03:49

this like I'm not especially excited about Ridley

1:03:51

I don't like what this does for DeAndre

1:03:53

Hopkins But this does make me interested in

1:03:55

those two quarterback and super flex leagues that

1:03:58

I want Will Levis as my cue be

1:04:00

due just in case. Yeah

1:04:02

just in case if he's the guy. You know his very first

1:04:04

start he

1:04:08

looked like the guy and after that he kind of didn't. There was a

1:04:10

lot of tanner hell with biceps

1:04:12

going on. But

1:04:14

maybe in the end what we'll discover is that that was

1:04:16

the old coaching administration.

1:04:18

That was the conservative nature of

1:04:20

the thing, right? I mean they've

1:04:23

got a McVey disciple now,

1:04:25

the former offensive coordinator from Cincinnati

1:04:27

and maybe they turned the whole

1:04:30

thing loose. You know a few

1:04:32

words about Calvin Ridley. Matt

1:04:34

Harmon always comes on the show who

1:04:36

does a great job, better than anyone else probably

1:04:38

in the world of breaking down receiver tape and

1:04:41

charting it and always says, boy

1:04:44

if you could bottle the good stuff Calvin Ridley does

1:04:46

you'd have the best receiver in the league. And

1:04:49

then I watch all the games and I go please catch that

1:04:51

ball. Why didn't you catch that ball? Why did you run that

1:04:53

route? Like there just seems to be

1:04:55

a huge knucklehead factor there but again

1:04:59

if you find yourself in round four or five

1:05:01

or whatever and you go boy I just want

1:05:03

to take a shot at the upside. I want

1:05:06

the brass ring guy. I want the chance who

1:05:08

could just put it all together. I'm skeptical that

1:05:10

Calvin Ridley will ever put it all together but

1:05:12

we have to admit that the

1:05:15

raw materials are there for him probably

1:05:18

in a way that they aren't for

1:05:20

late career DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah

1:05:23

completely agree. Alright.

1:05:26

I wanted to just mention a dude who

1:05:28

didn't change teams but has the chance to

1:05:30

because I think we're out of the elite

1:05:32

receivers. I mean is Calvin Ridley even an

1:05:34

elite receiver who changed teams but T Higgins

1:05:37

gets franchise tagged. We mentioned that last week

1:05:40

but he immediately turned around and said no no

1:05:42

no no I'm not playing this. So

1:05:44

he's saying he wants to he has to be

1:05:46

traded. He's obviously not going to be

1:05:48

well I guess he's not going to be traded but

1:05:51

that opens up the possibility of a holdout

1:05:54

which you know I

1:05:56

mean sometimes that amounts to nothing but sometimes

1:05:58

it also blows up an offense. You

1:06:02

don't have to be anywhere on T

1:06:04

Higgins' draft stock. I just

1:06:07

think this is a bad year for him to be

1:06:09

trying to do this after the injuries last year and

1:06:11

after the up and down performance. If he

1:06:13

was coming off of a year where he went for 1,200 yards

1:06:16

and 10 touchdowns, sure,

1:06:18

try to swing your

1:06:20

weight a little bit and do this. But it

1:06:22

just seems really weird to be taking this stance

1:06:24

now after the year that he's coming off of.

1:06:26

I think if anything,

1:06:29

he's on the franchise tag right now, he's still really young. He

1:06:32

should just kind of go out this year, show

1:06:35

why he deserves to get paid, and then

1:06:37

go hit free agency next year as a

1:06:39

young and ascending player. I don't

1:06:41

know. I have problems with him right now trying

1:06:43

to pull his weight after the year he's coming

1:06:45

off of. And I mean,

1:06:48

I got big knucklehead vibes off of him last

1:06:50

year too, and it kind of adds to the

1:06:52

feeling like this may be a kid who kind of just doesn't

1:06:54

get it. And I guess

1:06:58

the reason I put him on here is because I

1:07:01

don't know enough about the situation yet

1:07:03

to really have a strong fantasy take.

1:07:06

But there are

1:07:08

people out there who will tell you this is

1:07:10

a clear number one alpha receiver

1:07:12

in the NFL. And he's

1:07:15

just stuck on a team that has like the alpha receiver

1:07:17

in the NFL so he doesn't get to play that role

1:07:19

as much. And

1:07:21

I will grant you that I can't see what

1:07:23

isn't there. I don't see games without Jamar Chase

1:07:25

and with Joe Burrow healthy and T Higgins getting

1:07:28

to features in alpha, so maybe I'm wrong. But

1:07:30

that's not what I get out of T Higgins. He's a

1:07:32

two to me. Yeah, I

1:07:35

agree. And the thing is, right now on the

1:07:37

trade market, you'd assume that Cincinnati isn't even going

1:07:39

to entertain a trade offer unless they're getting a

1:07:41

first round pick in return. And

1:07:43

you've probably heard about it a ton, Chris. This is a

1:07:45

very deep wide receiver class. I don't know if teams

1:07:47

are going to want to give up a first round pick

1:07:50

to bring in T Higgins and sign him to a hundred

1:07:52

million dollar deal when they can just go out and take

1:07:54

a risk on a guy who potentially has a higher

1:07:56

ceiling than T Higgins in the first round of the draft.

1:08:01

With the draft class coming in and the

1:08:03

year T Higgins is coming off of, I

1:08:05

don't expect a trade to materialize. And of

1:08:07

course, I could be wrong. I'm wrong all

1:08:09

the time. But I think that the likeliest

1:08:11

thing is that we see T Higgins play

1:08:13

in Cincinnati this year and then go hit

1:08:15

free agency as an unrestricted guy going into

1:08:18

the next season. So

1:08:20

the parallel

1:08:22

that I'm drawing is AJ Brown in Tennessee,

1:08:24

right? Because that's exactly what Philly did. They

1:08:27

traded their first round pick

1:08:29

for the honor of paying AJ Brown

1:08:31

because in their scouting they looked at

1:08:33

AJ Brown and said, he's an alpha,

1:08:35

he is a one, he is the

1:08:37

dude you build around and Tennessee's just

1:08:39

using them wrong. So it

1:08:41

would take another team to look at T Higgins

1:08:43

and say the same thing that Philly said about

1:08:45

AJ Brown because Philly

1:08:47

had the chance to draft Tralen

1:08:50

Burks exactly where Tennessee did, right?

1:08:52

And instead decided not to. So

1:08:56

the way what you said doesn't happen

1:08:58

is if somebody looks at T Higgins,

1:09:01

compares him to what they think is available in the middle

1:09:03

of the first round and says, no, I actually

1:09:06

do want to pay T Higgins. And

1:09:08

I'm going to say I didn't think AJ Brown was

1:09:10

that guy in Tennessee. So here's me saying I don't

1:09:12

think he's the guy in Cincinnati, T Higgins is the

1:09:14

guy in Cincinnati and I could be wrong again. But

1:09:17

that's where I land right now. If someone

1:09:19

with pick 19 went out and traded for

1:09:21

T Higgins and then the person

1:09:24

who got the 19th pick then, well,

1:09:26

it would be Cincinnati, then took a rookie

1:09:28

receiver, I probably would be more on Cincinnati

1:09:30

side, but I could wind up having egg

1:09:32

on my face again with the Philly

1:09:34

side. But it is fascinating to

1:09:36

see if maybe that happens. Somebody views Higgins

1:09:39

the way the Eagles viewed

1:09:41

AJ Brown. All right. A late transaction

1:09:43

that we got on Thursday night in

1:09:45

time for this show. Marquise Brown, Hollywood

1:09:49

Brown, you

1:09:52

know, like if he'd landed anywhere else, we probably wouldn't be

1:09:54

that excited, but he goes to the Chiefs. And

1:09:57

no matter what you say about Marquise Brown

1:09:59

and How maybe he

1:10:01

hasn't functionally used that blazing speed all

1:10:03

that great in his NFL career How

1:10:06

are we gonna make an argument that he's not more fun

1:10:08

to have on a team than Mark Westveld is scaling Exactly

1:10:12

took the words out of my mouth. He's gonna do

1:10:14

all the things we wanted MVS to do I think

1:10:17

this is good news for Marquis Brown I

1:10:19

think this is good news for Patrick Mahomes

1:10:21

and I think this is good news for

1:10:23

Rashi Rice I think this is just kind

1:10:25

of that missing piece that the Chiefs offense

1:10:27

hasn't had and First of

1:10:30

all, I think Marquis Brown is much more than just

1:10:32

a burner You know, he can do a lot more

1:10:34

than just run a nine route But

1:10:36

if you look historically, you know getting into

1:10:38

the the analytics here a little bit Rashi

1:10:41

rice what I like about this is Rashi rice is

1:10:43

a guy that plays near the line

1:10:46

of scrimmage His average target depth last year was

1:10:48

about four yards You look at Marquis Brown over

1:10:50

the course of his career his average target depth

1:10:52

was about 12 yards So

1:10:54

just the way that they play Rashi rice plays

1:10:56

closer to the line of scrimmage Marquis Brown gets

1:10:59

off the line a little bit Deeper so I

1:11:01

think Marquis Brown what he'll do is stretch defenses

1:11:03

vertically a little bit And

1:11:05

allow Rashi rice to do what he does

1:11:07

underneath So I think like I

1:11:10

said, this is good for all parties involved

1:11:12

Marquis Brown finally has the best deep ball

1:11:14

throwing quarterback of his career Rashi rice as

1:11:16

a guy that can help him get even

1:11:19

more Out in space on underneath routes and

1:11:21

Patrick Mahomes just has another weapon in his

1:11:23

arsenal So I think this is a great

1:11:25

situation for everybody involved and I think Marquis

1:11:28

Brown did the smart thing We saw Juju

1:11:30

Smith Schuster just go to Kansas City for

1:11:32

one year I have a pretty paltry 900

1:11:34

yard season didn't do anything crazy and was able to

1:11:37

cash out for 25 million the next season I

1:11:39

think Marquis Brown is gonna do something similar here

1:11:41

He'll have a good year with Kansas City hit

1:11:43

free agency as a 27 year old

1:11:45

next year and probably get himself a pretty nice

1:11:48

payday Good for him. I

1:11:50

don't care but Take your meeting I take

1:11:52

your meeting You know of everything

1:11:54

you're saying is is I think on its

1:11:56

face correct And as with several of the

1:11:58

moves we've discussed today. You also just

1:12:00

leave said it really well throughout the entire

1:12:02

show, which is to preserve the more other

1:12:05

marker reacts. There's a chance for Mark his

1:12:07

brow to get way too much helium, right?

1:12:09

There's a chance for Murky Brown to be

1:12:11

way to beloved. Because let's face it, He

1:12:14

could. Have had better seasons with

1:12:16

Baltimore and he could have had a

1:12:18

better season. Couple seasons with Arizona and

1:12:21

and frankly with Arizona. As much as

1:12:23

you're saying about A.like. Ah,

1:12:25

Watching Those film. Watching the film of Arizona

1:12:27

week by week. Was. An awful

1:12:29

lot a wide receiver screens to mark his brow.

1:12:32

It's an awful lot to like three yard outs

1:12:34

and like stuff that. Maybe. It's

1:12:36

misuse of the player or maybe they just

1:12:38

kind of have decided like we can't trust

1:12:40

him going down the field of it's I

1:12:42

think it's very clear Can seize gonna need

1:12:44

Marquees Brown to go down the field because

1:12:46

they they've been looking for the guy to

1:12:48

do it reliably. Is

1:12:51

that role? In. The Chiefs

1:12:53

offense, as currently constituted, truly valuable or is

1:12:55

it more of like a changeup kind of

1:12:57

thing is the best we're going to be

1:12:59

able to say about Marquees. Brown is like

1:13:02

we you turned into gave Davis, you know,

1:13:04

And so like four weeks a year you

1:13:06

were a league winner and then the rest

1:13:08

of the time you were garbage like that.

1:13:10

There's a chance, because let's face it, ten

1:13:13

cities often. By the end, it's their back

1:13:15

to back champs. and they're great, but they're

1:13:17

real conservative an offense by the end. And.and

1:13:19

so like. That's. All

1:13:21

by way of saying of course it's

1:13:24

your one hundred percent right? I'm agreeing

1:13:26

with you up the great for Browns

1:13:28

career. Really good for real life football.

1:13:30

Is it good for fantasy? I think

1:13:32

it only depends on the price. Yeah.

1:13:34

And as a you know of of get

1:13:37

a cop out and say that Marquees bout

1:13:39

of probably be pretty boom or bust player,

1:13:41

I don't think that he's gonna get a

1:13:43

consistent target volume where he somebody that you

1:13:46

can rely on every single week but he

1:13:48

has the game breaking speed where he can

1:13:50

get deep and he's got a quarterback begins

1:13:52

his hit him the but we've seen bed.

1:13:55

every day that plays against the chiefs just

1:13:57

tries it everything make hand to take that

1:13:59

away with the shell coverage with the two

1:14:02

high safeties and I think we're gonna see

1:14:04

even more of that type of defense against

1:14:06

them now that they have a legitimate deep

1:14:08

threat so I'll just say

1:14:10

it again I think the best-case scenario here for

1:14:12

fantasy managers is that the addition of Marquis Brown

1:14:15

lowers Rashi Rice's ADP I

1:14:17

still expect even with Brown

1:14:20

there now and and I

1:14:22

don't know how you feel about Rashi Rice but

1:14:24

I think Rashi Rice is going to be the

1:14:26

wide receiver one and I think that all Marquis

1:14:28

Brown does is open up even more opportunities for

1:14:30

Rashi Rice to do what he does best we

1:14:34

saw Patrick Mahomes really had to change the way

1:14:36

that he plays football last year he wasn't able

1:14:38

to consistently take those teat shots because defenses were

1:14:40

taking them away so he started taking what was

1:14:43

given to him underneath and that was just short

1:14:45

passes to Rashi Rice and letting Rashi Rice do what

1:14:48

he does after the catch and I think we see

1:14:50

even more of that next year now that Brown is

1:14:52

there is a legitimate threat or

1:14:54

it's very kill and they go guns

1:14:56

blazing again because teams start realizing that

1:14:58

you got to start you got

1:15:00

to start clamping down on Rice and Kelsey and

1:15:03

therefore Marquis but like I don't really know how

1:15:05

it goes but there's there is that upside there

1:15:07

is that chance also that a dot for Rashi

1:15:09

Rice is ridiculous like he has to bring it

1:15:11

up a little bit he's got to

1:15:14

become a better outrunner but he probably will he's good

1:15:16

Deontay Johnson as a receiver they just want to get

1:15:19

the ball name and just let him run through defenders

1:15:21

Deontay Johnson goes to the Carolina

1:15:24

Panthers I was texting with cousin

1:15:26

Josh as this was going down he

1:15:29

wasn't a free agent he

1:15:31

was traded and Josh

1:15:33

and I are both really big fans of

1:15:35

Deontay Johnson as the player like just

1:15:38

a great route runner one of the best in the

1:15:40

league open in a phone booth like fantastic

1:15:43

and he goes

1:15:45

to Carolina the worst offense in the league

1:15:47

last year Bryce young one of the worst

1:15:49

quarterbacks in league last year and both Josh

1:15:51

and I were like thank God get

1:15:54

him out of Pittsburgh I don't care

1:15:56

send him anywhere if he was playing on

1:15:58

the on the Calgary Stampeders as long as

1:16:00

my league counted those points I would be happy. I

1:16:03

recognize the risk. It isn't

1:16:05

something that's going to elevate Johnson

1:16:07

into the stratosphere ADPUIs, which is

1:16:09

fine with me. Just something different

1:16:11

would be wonderful. At least I

1:16:13

get the chance of Bryce

1:16:15

Young taking some kind of jump,

1:16:17

like in a way that I really never think that

1:16:20

Russell Wilson is ever going to do again. And

1:16:22

I trust that De'Andrea Johnson will be

1:16:25

open. So cool. He's still a mid-round

1:16:27

receiver. I'm happier he's in

1:16:29

Carolina. Yeah, I mean last

1:16:31

year Carolina, they had a lot of

1:16:33

problems, but Bryce Young was in a position that

1:16:36

I don't think many quarterbacks would have been able to succeed. Just

1:16:38

consistent pressure in his face. None of his receivers

1:16:41

were able to separate on the rare occasions

1:16:43

they would separate. They were dropping passes. I mean,

1:16:45

it was just awful to

1:16:47

watch Carolina play football last year. De'Andrea is

1:16:49

exactly what this team needed. And I thought

1:16:51

originally when T Higgins, when he demanded his

1:16:53

trade, I thought that Carolina was going to

1:16:56

be the team that was going to make

1:16:58

a running for T Higgins. I think

1:17:01

De'Andrea Johnson is maybe

1:17:03

not white as good of a player, but

1:17:05

I mean, he's up there. De'Andrea Johnson, I

1:17:07

think is just perennially one of the most underrated

1:17:10

wide receivers in the league. So now he has

1:17:12

a chance to kind of be a wide receiver

1:17:14

one. There's nobody that's going

1:17:16

to contend with him for that title

1:17:18

in Carolina. He's somebody that I'm pretty

1:17:21

excited about. I still have my concerns

1:17:23

about Bryce Young as a whole, but

1:17:25

the volume is going to be there

1:17:27

for De'Andrea Johnson. They don't have a

1:17:29

first round pick, so you

1:17:32

don't have to worry about them adding some stud

1:17:34

receiver in the draft this year. Right

1:17:36

now, the path for 130, 140, 150 targets, going to De'Andrea Johnson looks pretty clear. You

1:17:42

know that when the argument is volume,

1:17:46

I'm like, go away. That's not a good argument.

1:17:48

Well, the reason for the argument is because he's

1:17:50

good. One, of course, there's a little competition, but

1:17:52

two, he's good. He's open and he's going to

1:17:54

be the only open guy and he's going to

1:17:56

draw those targets because he gets open. Adam Seelen's

1:17:59

still there. Like yeah,

1:18:01

Adam Thielen's still there like if there's a

1:18:03

concern It's that Adam Thielen

1:18:06

also got open when everybody knew where the

1:18:08

ball was going and if

1:18:10

the offense is gonna be what it was Last year

1:18:12

it's gonna be all seven yard passes Those can easily

1:18:14

go to Adam Thielen as easily as they can go

1:18:16

to Deontay Johnson if there's a worry It's that Bryce

1:18:19

Young stays bad. The team is still rebuilding

1:18:21

The pie is still small and there's still

1:18:24

too much steel And and we get right

1:18:26

back to Deontay Johnson as the six catch

1:18:28

56 yards every week and then he scores

1:18:30

three touchdowns Right, that's maybe this is just

1:18:33

me wish casting my Deontay Johnson love and

1:18:35

I love him manifest itself this season Listen,

1:18:38

I love him too. And I think he again

1:18:40

it always depends on price all of this depends

1:18:42

on price But you know if

1:18:45

the reason he's he winds up in the fifth

1:18:47

round is because everyone goes How does he not

1:18:49

get 140 targets then I'm gonna be

1:18:51

out, you know? Cuz there's gonna be there's gonna

1:18:53

be ways there are always ways for guys not

1:18:55

to get targets That's um, the NFL has taught

1:18:57

me anything in the world. It's that carries and

1:19:00

targets are not given to anybody right? They have

1:19:02

to earn them Jerry

1:19:04

Judy Oh Favorite

1:19:06

of this show we have to talk

1:19:08

about this one a Favorite

1:19:11

in that I've been right on him every step

1:19:13

of the way You

1:19:15

and I both yeah and and draft Never

1:19:17

saw it. No, I drafted Cortland Sutton everywhere

1:19:19

last year and it worked out real well Jerry

1:19:23

Judy isn't good But he

1:19:25

goes to Cleveland and he plays with the

1:19:27

Mari Cooper along with Deshaun Watson. It's

1:19:30

fine We don't actually have to spend that much time if you're

1:19:32

gonna make the case that Any

1:19:34

any helium as they say that Jerry Judy gets is

1:19:36

too much helium. I'm with you Yeah,

1:19:39

I don't think there's a price that I draft Jerry Yeah

1:19:44

Round oh Get off

1:19:46

my team. Yeah, I'd prefer a QB

1:19:48

do in the 14th round then Jerry

1:19:50

Judy You know if

1:19:52

he wasn't a first-round pick if he didn't have the college

1:19:54

career He did If you look simply

1:19:57

at what Jerry Judy has done in the NFL.

1:19:59

There's no. No reason to be in

1:20:01

a jury duty. the only reason anybody is

1:20:03

still you know I I've asked this question

1:20:05

I've been on the bike as as we

1:20:07

can have as everybody the same questions when

1:20:09

a has a top prospect of first round

1:20:11

pick ever switch teams going into his fourth

1:20:13

or fifth year and suddenly broken out. And.

1:20:15

Nobody has been able to give me an

1:20:17

answer. It doesn't happen like if we don't

1:20:20

see this happen with somebody is a bust

1:20:22

for for five years that gets traded for

1:20:24

pennies on the dollars and then it goes

1:20:26

oh wow this guy's really good it is.

1:20:28

It just doesn't happen. It's gonna be of

1:20:30

our and Cooper's can be David the joke

1:20:32

who are like more is still there and

1:20:34

is probably dampens any potential of his breakout.

1:20:36

I'm but I just now I'm I'm not

1:20:38

in on jury duty. Know Steve.

1:20:41

Davis. Those. The Jags.

1:20:44

Mixed success once he gets like again

1:20:46

people people wanting a a a skunk

1:20:49

not to be a skunk or of

1:20:51

you know whatever ah is like they

1:20:53

are what they are in a few

1:20:55

again with past them into something else

1:20:58

that doesn't make them something else. Gave

1:21:00

Davis as situational deep threat with terrible

1:21:02

hands and that's what is going to

1:21:05

be in Jacksonville. And. That's

1:21:07

pretty much would Calvin Ridley was last year.

1:21:09

I mean Calvin Ridley. I think it's much

1:21:11

better route runner then how he was being

1:21:13

used to Jacksonville As years they were just

1:21:15

asking him to run vertical and stretch defenses

1:21:18

and he did that. And he also dropped

1:21:20

a lot of balls last year. and it's

1:21:22

probably exactly what Davis is gonna do this

1:21:24

year. The Recommend: Ask him to run any

1:21:26

shore routes. Stews is going to be running

1:21:28

nines, getting deep, and occasionally catch a ball.

1:21:31

I think that it's much better to use

1:21:33

deep Davis in this role than what they

1:21:35

tried doing last year with Calvin. Ridley in

1:21:37

the same role so I mean it's fine

1:21:39

it's just cool. Now we get worse. Calvin,

1:21:41

Ridley and are all the was ill Suvari

1:21:44

our so I don't want am forgetting that's

1:21:46

with saints game is seems jury duty of

1:21:48

about at away Davis Devon do Verne A

1:21:50

also goes the jags yes ah in a

1:21:52

late one a late one for our for

1:21:54

our Friday. So Curtis Samuel. wouldn't

1:21:58

have a lotta interesting first Samuel except for

1:22:00

the landing spot, he goes to the Bills.

1:22:05

We've never seen a secondary weapon

1:22:07

beyond Stefan Diggs and a tight

1:22:09

end turn into a consistent contributor.

1:22:12

We've also never seen Curtis Samuel

1:22:14

turn into a consistent contributor. I'm

1:22:17

going to multiply those two things together and

1:22:19

make a guess that Curtis Samuel probably doesn't

1:22:21

turn into a consistent contributor. It's a really

1:22:23

good football move though for the Bills. Curtis

1:22:27

Samuel is fun and he's had

1:22:29

a pretty inconsistent career so far

1:22:31

but his best season 851

1:22:35

yards came in 2020 when Joe Brady

1:22:37

was the offensive coordinator in Carolina

1:22:40

and now he's reunited with Joe Brady

1:22:42

here. Unfortunately

1:22:44

though he's still probably the third fourth option

1:22:46

if you want to throw James Cook in

1:22:48

there as well. Probably not

1:22:50

a lot of fantasy value here for Curtis Samuel but

1:22:52

it's a good landing spot. It's good for Josh Allen.

1:22:54

It's good for the Bills. It's going to be fun

1:22:56

for football but Curtis Samuel probably

1:22:58

isn't a guy that you can rely on as anything

1:23:01

more than like a I'm

1:23:03

really desperate, I've got a few injuries, bye weeks are

1:23:05

here and I need to plug somebody into my flex

1:23:07

spot. Yeah

1:23:10

he's going to carry

1:23:13

the ball, he's going to get screens, he's

1:23:15

going to, he's a good little

1:23:17

player for sure, just probably not a consistent

1:23:19

contributor on a weekly basis. And

1:23:21

then the Falcons add two pieces, one of

1:23:23

which was kind of a late add to

1:23:25

our list. They added Darnell Mooney

1:23:27

who had that flash of a half season

1:23:29

with your Bears and then

1:23:32

they added Rondell Moore who basically

1:23:34

is Curtis Samuel who basically is really only

1:23:38

a gadget guy slash every

1:23:40

so often we'll break out with a few

1:23:42

in breaking routes but these

1:23:45

are ancillary pieces to the new

1:23:47

Kirk Cousins experience. I

1:23:50

guess once again if the pie were to

1:23:52

really really grow maybe there's a world where

1:23:54

Mooney turns into something because he is the

1:23:56

deep threat but once again his best case.

1:24:00

is upside is Gabe

1:24:02

Davis and like I just yeah that's gonna be

1:24:04

hard to love. I

1:24:06

mean I'm excited about Drake London, I'm

1:24:08

excited about Kyle Pitts, I'm excited about

1:24:10

Bijon Robinson. You know

1:24:12

you keep using the the pie reference as

1:24:14

pie is gonna have to be massive for

1:24:17

there to be enough leftover for Darnell Munu

1:24:19

to get his share. Right agreed and you're

1:24:21

you're allowed to be as excited as you

1:24:23

want to be about Kyle Pitts but please

1:24:25

don't expect it to happen on this side

1:24:27

of the microphone because not

1:24:29

going to happen. Tight

1:24:32

ends I don't think we need to we've we're

1:24:34

way long here but that's good because this show

1:24:36

deserved to be way long tons of fun names

1:24:38

to change. Hunter Henry goes back to the Patriots

1:24:41

great like they probably needed them and

1:24:44

it's probably a good real-life football move but

1:24:46

hard to see the path for

1:24:48

a huge season from any Patriot

1:24:50

pass catcher right now will reserve judgment.

1:24:53

I'm sure you're foaming at the mouth because John

1:24:56

Smith lands with Miami and they haven't had a

1:24:58

tight end so my goodness I'm sure John

1:25:01

is gonna have a huge year. I

1:25:03

mean I know you're being a

1:25:05

little facetious but I do

1:25:07

like Johnny Smith and I do like to

1:25:09

spit I'm not going to excited about that.

1:25:11

Yeah I mean maybe like

1:25:13

in a you're starting to

1:25:16

tight ends and a tight end premium league

1:25:18

I'm getting excited but this is another one

1:25:20

of those. Johnny Smith is a great blocker

1:25:22

which doesn't count for anything in fantasy but

1:25:24

with how good this Miami run game is

1:25:26

already now they get an athletic run blocking

1:25:28

guy like John Smith they can get out

1:25:30

there in space and clear the path for

1:25:32

Devon H. Ann even more this is really

1:25:34

fun for the running backs in Miami as

1:25:37

much as it is for John Smith the

1:25:39

guy that you know it's really hard not

1:25:41

to like John Smith he's just a fun

1:25:43

football player. I'm

1:25:46

a Patriot fan so it's so

1:25:48

not difficult to dislike John Smith.

1:25:50

It's so easy. Fair

1:25:52

enough. God did he stink for

1:25:54

us. Lastly. $50 million.

1:25:57

I don't care about the money don't care you just

1:25:59

stunk. I didn't want to see him on my screen

1:26:01

anymore. Get off my screen. Lastly,

1:26:04

Irv Smith. Oh boy,

1:26:06

we get to live the Irv Smith drama again.

1:26:08

And of course the only reason anybody cares

1:26:10

is because he lands in Kansas City. Travis

1:26:14

Kelsey is still there. And

1:26:16

Noah Gray I believe is still there as well. Irv

1:26:18

Smith is not doing anything this year. Yeah,

1:26:21

I'm not too excited about this one. Just

1:26:23

because I know you're not going to mention it, I just

1:26:25

want to throw in Gerald Everett following Shane Waldron around for

1:26:27

his entire career. You know, linked up with

1:26:29

him in the Rams, got a couple years with him in Seattle,

1:26:31

and now he's in Chicago too. So I

1:26:33

always like when you see that where an offensive

1:26:35

coordinator just has his guy that he drags from

1:26:38

city to city with him. Don't expect much of

1:26:40

anything from Gerald Everett, but another fun tight end

1:26:42

addition on a new team. You

1:26:45

can do the Gerald Everett talk on

1:26:47

your own time. I know you're not saying he's good.

1:26:49

It's just funny that he follows Shane Waldron around, that

1:26:51

is. That is funny. All

1:26:53

right. I do it for this supersized

1:26:55

episode, but there's never been a week

1:26:58

probably in the history of the show

1:27:00

that has deserved a supersized episode more

1:27:02

than this one. Dave

1:27:05

awesome job. I hope everybody's already following Dave

1:27:07

on Twitter at Dave Kluge. You can find

1:27:09

his work at Football Guys, and

1:27:12

he's on Blue Sky, Dave Kluge as

1:27:14

well. I

1:27:16

hope I didn't take up too much of your Friday

1:27:18

because we did spend a long time talking, but it

1:27:20

was really great to get your opinion on all these

1:27:22

guys, and our opinions will, of

1:27:25

course, develop. You're great. I appreciate

1:27:27

you coming on. Thank you so much. Yeah,

1:27:29

thanks so much Chris. Always a good time. And

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this I guess. Ninety minute episode of

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I'm sure there are more moves coming

1:29:02

that will react to in future weeks

1:29:04

but I want to remind you I'm

1:29:06

now off for two more weeks of

1:29:08

two weeks from yesterday's lots of are

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against three weeks for Mister April Fourth,

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we said it is. I'll

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be back. And ah, that's where we really

1:29:17

dig into the Nfl draft. It's funny or

1:29:19

Daves said some more. I'm sure you know

1:29:21

about this wide receiver class. be really deep

1:29:23

and I'm like, well, I guess I vaguely

1:29:25

heard that blown know anything about it because

1:29:27

I don't watch college football. Onto College Scouting.

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I. Draw the line somewhere. and so I

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bring my smart friends on who do that

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hard work and pick their brain and then.

1:29:37

We. know generally tend to be pretty

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skeptical of the rookies anyway but it's

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important for us to understand who these

1:29:43

guys are especially before we get blinded

1:29:45

by situation so beginning i guess in

1:29:47

three weeks because i have two weeks

1:29:50

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