0:00

Hey

0:17

there, Steven. This is Yimeosh. Hey, Yimeosh.

0:19

This is Steven. Alright. We are back

0:21

and we are doing our first movie ever.

0:23

This is the first time I've seen a movie, so I'm excited.

0:27

This this feels really weird for me, not only

0:29

because we're out of practice, but also because, like,

0:31

I don't know, it feels different talking about movie

0:33

where I don't have literal things I pulled out of

0:36

the text and pasted in front of me, you know. I just I

0:38

watched the movie and I wrote down some notes and it's

0:40

it's a very different thing. Yeah. At least to be

0:42

a feels that way. No. I felt the same way, I mean. So when

0:44

I was watching it, I did, like, an ordinary

0:46

watching experience. And I thought, like,

0:48

five minutes in. I was like, oh, I should try and

0:50

take notes because I feel like I'm gonna wanna

0:52

remember, like, specific things. And I pulled up my

0:54

phone and started writing, and I was like, wait, I'm gonna

0:56

miss stuff. If I try to do it this way, I'm gonna

0:59

I'll just I'll just remember everything. And

1:01

then I feel like I remembered most stuff,

1:03

but I you rent it from Amazon, you have it

1:05

for forty eight hours. So I still had

1:07

it through the end of today, basically.

1:10

So I had it playing out in the background. And

1:12

I went and zoomed in on couple little things that, like, I

1:14

wanted to double, like, get another look at

1:16

when we were watching it the first time. Like, when

1:18

he's looking through his wedding album. Oh,

1:21

he was at the Congratsinger figure. Exactly. So

1:23

I missed it the first time. I couldn't tell what he saw.

1:25

So I went back and found that out and stuff. But

1:27

yeah, man. Truman Show. I can't remember if

1:29

said this on the air or not, but you had said for me to watch

1:31

it with the the theme

1:33

slash idea of fall

1:36

from grace. Yes. In the back of my

1:38

mind. Yeah. The expulsion of

1:40

Adamini from the Garden of Eden. Yeah.

1:42

And I'll I'll be honest with you. I

1:45

had I didn't make any connection to any

1:47

of that? Oh, okay. But I

1:49

look forward to seeing I

1:52

I guess okay. If I had to make the

1:54

the connection now, Once he has the

1:56

knowledge, then he's he

1:58

basically can't live there anymore. Yes.

2:00

Is that the is that you're talking about? Well,

2:02

I mean, there's a lot of things. Once

2:05

I made that connection personally, I went

2:07

back and watched it again and was like, oh my god, it's

2:09

everywhere and, you know, I don't know if it's actually

2:11

everywhere. I'm just seeing things. But, like,

2:13

the really big thing is that Truman

2:15

is he's innocent. Right? First of all,

2:18

he is unsolied by sin. He hasn't done any

2:20

bad things ever. He's just a good person. A

2:22

a true man, right, in his unsolied

2:25

state of grace at first creation. And

2:27

he lives in a perfect world

2:29

where there is no crime, there is no sin,

2:32

everything is basically set

2:34

out for him just to have a good life. And

2:36

he doesn't have to worry. It's a garden. Right?

2:38

It's a controlled world. There is no actual

2:41

I don't know what I'm trying to say here. It's like danger. There's

2:43

no interaction. He's he's in a kindergarten

2:45

being watched over by a parent,

2:47

by a god figure. There's no real life.

2:50

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And then he is

2:52

given the knowledge that there is

2:54

a broader world out there that is dangerous

2:57

and can be awful, but is

2:59

not being controlled for you

3:01

by a god. And he

3:04

goes out into it. And that's the the

3:06

story of Adam and Eve originally being

3:08

perfect on solid innocent creatures. Discovering

3:11

the knowledge of good and evil and then not

3:14

being able to stay in the perfect garden

3:16

where their lives would be easy and safe

3:19

Yeah. No. III could totally dig the parallels.

3:21

I think there's a couple important distinctions

3:23

in that, like, he chooses to leave. Whereas

3:25

I think Adam and you've got the boot. Right.

3:28

And because God made the garden

3:30

if you wanted to, he can make it nice and meaningful

3:32

somehow. Like, there's an

3:34

element to the garden of Eden.

3:36

That is less sinister

3:40

than the island. What is the place that

3:42

Truman lives called? That's a good question.

3:44

I I don't remember now the Yeah.

3:46

We can call it Island. It's Islandy enough

3:49

that they went out of their way and I caught this

3:51

when he's trying to flee this out of order, but whatever.

3:54

He's not even doesn't even, like, driving over

3:56

water. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, that's why they

3:58

killed his dad at see how fuck. And then

4:00

they could confirm that later. Like, that was the

4:02

whole point. So it's it's

4:04

Island d enough to where that that was an impediment

4:07

for him. Alright. Well,

4:09

do we wanna just jump in? Or Well,

4:11

I guess the thing that I started out with

4:14

is the little pre roll where they're interviewing

4:16

some of the cast members and his friend

4:19

very specifically is insisting it's not

4:21

fake. It's real. And

4:23

controlled, which I I

4:25

think goes into the garden metaphor. The

4:28

thing that I really liked is like they they have

4:30

some of that pre rolled where the people are talking

4:32

about the show And then a

4:34

minute, two minutes in, you just

4:36

bam, get the inciting incident right

4:38

away where a a light falls

4:40

out out of the sky. I had

4:42

forgotten that it just starts right

4:46

right off the bat like that, and that movies used

4:48

to do that. They were, you know, not two and

4:50

a half, three hour months lost, and those were, like,

4:52

Alright. Here's the world. Boom. Things have started.

4:54

Insiding incident in minute two. Yeah. It

4:56

was a it was a tight whatever hour

4:58

and fifty or hour and forty minutes or something.

5:00

Mhmm. So I knew the premise

5:02

of the show, and I had this vague image

5:05

in my head of him on a boat. My

5:07

image didn't line up with what was actually in the movie, but it

5:09

was close enough that it must have been inspired from

5:11

that in maybe the late nineties

5:13

or early two thousands. Right? Mhmm. This

5:15

is a nineteen ninety eight. That's right. But I so

5:17

I don't know. I I, like, I never saw the movie before.

5:19

But I must have seen something that

5:22

showed me the boat and then forgot every

5:24

detail of it. But then, it's not like I was I

5:26

meant to watch it today, check out the trailer from

5:28

the nineties. And see if it said,

5:30

it must have been like this man's life as a TV

5:32

show because it's not that's not really that's not like

5:35

it's supposed to be a surprise. It's it's literally the

5:37

first thing the movie tells you. Yeah.

5:39

So, you know, it's different than, like, whatever,

5:41

the Terminator two trailer telling us that

5:43

Arnold is the good guy in this one. Right.

5:46

Which which would have been cool not knowing going in.

5:48

Right? Yeah. So, yeah, it does

5:50

the kind of, like, outside view, and

5:52

then it it goes into the world. And

5:55

I'm pretty sure it would be weird

5:57

to have any exceptions, but some of the angles are

5:59

weird. But was every angle we got inside the

6:02

island hidden camera? I

6:04

don't think so. I think

6:06

a lot of them were just regular. Really? It

6:08

could be. You know, because a lot of them were from bird

6:10

angles and stuff. Right? Yeah. You know, clearly,

6:13

like, the the neighbors holding up his trash can that has the

6:15

giant obvious camera in it. Yes.

6:18

The I think the dog's collar had one

6:20

all of his clothes seemed to be covered in them.

6:22

Like, I guess, it did tons of cameras, and I didn't

6:24

spot any of that was like, oh, that can't have been.

6:27

Like, even, like, where it zooms out on the

6:29

the light that falls from the sky in the beginning.

6:32

Like, the the street lights might

6:34

have cameras in them. Yeah. I thought

6:36

this whole thing was gonna gonna be kind of like a

6:38

found footage. Oh, okay.

6:40

But, you know, not found, you know, just compiled.

6:42

It was funny because they did, like, that cutaway to

6:45

Sculley from Brooklyn nine nine. Mhmm.

6:47

And it was the first out of island camera

6:50

shot that I would like, was definitely, oh, this

6:52

isn't a hidden camera. Mhmm. And it's like,

6:54

oh, yeah. This is the TV show that people are watching Like,

6:56

it's not just showing us like,

6:58

you know, it wasn't clear what the context was

7:00

up to that point. You know, we got the director, like,

7:03

the man in black from Westworld.

7:06

Oh, yeah. Yeah. He

7:08

so he's telling us like, oh, yeah. It's art. We

7:10

got it because it's true and it's not acting or whatever.

7:13

But, like, it wasn't clear for me at the time,

7:15

like, was was the Truman show a project

7:17

that they did, was it whatever, but it's a

7:19

live show. That everyone's watching.

7:21

Right? That is pretty cool. Yeah. When you get first

7:23

that do you remember when that's first established? Yeah.

7:26

When it when it cuts away

7:28

to sculley. Yeah. But, like, how how

7:30

far in was that? Was that, like, fifteen, twenty minutes

7:32

in? Fifteen, twenty ish. Yeah. It was

7:34

he and his wife are making that or something. And

7:36

then he's like a security guard. Okay. Another guy

7:38

and he's like, oh, yeah. They always, you know, cut

7:40

away or play music or blur it

7:42

or whatever. And that's that's all they say. It's

7:45

like two seconds, but it's just reminding us like, oh, yeah.

7:47

People are watching this. Mhmm. That's

7:49

pretty cool. Yeah. Okay. So

7:51

I'm going to draw some religious

7:53

parallels again because I just really like them.

7:55

Do you mind if I do that? Yes. But

7:57

I have something that might be an order and it's

7:59

a big look at just because it's in Latin. My wife

8:01

noticed the the Latin letters

8:03

on, like, the arch. It's, like, right in the beginning

8:06

that he's standing in front of when he's am I speaking when

8:08

he's going to the dock or something? Like, you know, first

8:10

ten minutes? Uh-huh. But she's

8:12

like because you can't see all of it, but she's like, it looks like

8:14

it says one, all for one and one for all, and it

8:16

does. It's an Unispro, omnibus,

8:19

omnispro uno. Yeah.

8:21

And the one in this case being Truman

8:24

totally. Yeah. And, like, there

8:26

are people wearing shirts, like, in the at

8:28

this whatever on the director

8:31

set that are, like, you know,

8:33

save him or whatever -- Love

8:35

him. -- protected. That's what it was. Yeah.

8:38

Which is that not the most this

8:40

is what you would want angels to

8:43

to think their their mindset to be, like,

8:45

isn't that also kinda like what you're sold as

8:47

this is what god does

8:49

he loves you when he protects you? Yeah.

8:52

I mean, I think you've

8:54

got to be right. Like, it would have been more

8:57

direct if they'd throw an apple in the movie

8:59

somewhere or something. Right?

9:01

Right. Abby so it it doesn't have to be, like, crazy

9:04

heavy handed with it, but could have had one on table

9:06

or some you know, whatever, like, there could have

9:08

been one, like, in a basket on the counter. Maybe there was.

9:10

You know, when he's sitting there mulling things over,

9:12

like, is this all real or something? Yeah.

9:15

Doesn't have to draw attention to its center frame.

9:17

But you're right. Like, all the religious parallels are

9:19

really, really spot on to the point where there's no way

9:21

this is unintentional. I mean,

9:23

I thought I was worried I

9:26

don't know. Not worried. I kind of like this because

9:28

I am not a subtle boy I I

9:30

like my things to be pretty blatant.

9:32

Like, maybe not absolutely in

9:34

your face blatant. But, I mean, Truman

9:36

is named true man. Mhmm. The

9:39

director's named Christophe, which is like

9:41

Christ. Okay. Got it. He lives

9:43

in the heavens. He talks to Truman

9:45

at the end as a voice in the sky

9:47

coming out of the sun. Right. I mean, I

9:50

was like, okay, this is not

9:52

just me. This is Absolutely, blatantly

9:55

a a god thing. Yeah. Yeah. They they definitely

9:57

couldn't have, like, other than

10:00

Truman being, like, god, is that

10:02

you? Right. Then,

10:04

which it's not clear if there's religious

10:06

stuff in his little environment.

10:09

Like, I put together like a thing in my

10:11

quick notes today called haters

10:15

would nitpick slash things cinema

10:17

sins would count but aren't real problems. And

10:20

one of them is to, like so

10:23

you remember, I think it was, like, the first sunset

10:25

we see. Mhmm. And the the the

10:27

Skyscape is impossible. Mhmm.

10:29

And it's so blatantly impossible that,

10:31

like, I noticed it right away. And I'm like, did

10:33

they not teach them the solar system? But who

10:35

cares? Like, that's not that's not actually a problem.

10:38

Right. But I mentioned that this is the guy he's

10:40

seen his entire life, then that's just what he accepts.

10:42

Right? Yeah. Exactly. If

10:44

anyone's complained about this movie is, like, well,

10:47

Why is he never found a camera? They're

10:49

fucking everywhere? Or why was

10:51

everything working fine for thirty years? Then

10:53

everything falls apart in, like, the same two days?

10:56

Right. And, like, those aren't real problems,

10:58

like, with the movie. Right? I think movies actually

11:00

like a masterpiece. Yeah. Like, there

11:02

are so many I caught so many little details.

11:04

And I even I caught a bunch in the first time because

11:07

we know what's happening. Right? Mhmm. Like, it

11:09

it's allowed to be subtle. Mhmm. And

11:11

it's allowed to be kind of like loud to

11:13

us. But, like, he goes to the

11:15

travel agency. Right? Yes. And that woman

11:17

comes in and she's got a napkin tucked into her shirt.

11:19

And I thought that she's coming from lunch. And then I'm

11:21

like, no, wait. She just came from makeup

11:24

because there's never anyone in the travel office building

11:26

because no one actually works there. Oh, yeah.

11:28

Okay. Right? Like, little things like that.

11:30

Everything every detail is like that. It's

11:32

crazy. That's awesome. III have

11:35

you caught that. Alright. Well, I

11:37

I cut ahead of your you're gonna

11:39

say some religious stuff.

11:41

Well, I mean, this this kind of relates to what you were

11:43

saying, like, how did things go so wrong?

11:46

Like, they also are going wrong. At the same

11:48

time, I think for the most part, things

11:50

probably had had gone wrong every

11:53

now and then, and he just hadn't really

11:55

paid much attention to them. But then, like,

11:57

a few things went wrong all

12:00

back to back, and that's what really drew his attention,

12:02

which maybe is not entirely plausible.

12:05

But generally in stories, you're allowed

12:08

a big coincidence or some un

12:10

plausible thing at the beginning to start

12:12

the story off. It's -- Right. --

12:14

it's something happens that does not normally

12:16

happen, which throws the world out of kilter

12:19

and is the inciting incident starts stuff

12:21

weird. And Sure. Those are always

12:23

unlikely, and that's why we get stories about

12:25

them because they draw our attention. That's yeah.

12:27

You're right. That's literally every story. Right?

12:30

Right. The the apocalypse demon can't show up

12:32

before Luther gets there. Yeah. You know,

12:34

like, the the the ring or Sarn

12:36

can't go hunting for the ring until, like, people know

12:38

what's a problem. You know? Otherwise,

12:40

like, it would be a very short book. Yes.

12:43

These these terrible writers and black show up and killed

12:45

everybody and took this ring out of this office house

12:47

and left. In

12:49

fact, there was a great line by the director,

12:52

and I wish I'd gotten there again when I was watching it today.

12:54

So I think it was maybe giving the interview, maybe

12:56

he was talking, oh, evening is talking to

12:58

the chick on the phone. Did you pull this the quote directly?

13:00

I did pull the quote quote quote. He says, we accept

13:03

the reality of the world we're presented. See,

13:05

I I remember that as no one questions their reality

13:07

when they tap to when they don't have reason to.

13:09

Yeah. Well, I mean, say say basic concept.

13:11

Right? Yeah. Yeah. So we Like, except reality

13:14

that we're presented with. Yeah. I

13:16

just accept that things fall down because

13:19

duh Well, and, like, you know,

13:21

if if you saw something that you thought didn't make sense

13:23

-- Mhmm. -- you know, and he did it double

13:25

taken, it was gone. Would you be like, uh-huh. I

13:27

saw the glitch in the matrix. I was like, oh, that was weird.

13:29

And then totally forgot about it. Probably the

13:31

latter. Although, I do have more to say about

13:33

that. Alright. So I'm going back to the

13:36

the beginning here. Where the things

13:38

that broke him out of accepting his reality. And

13:40

I kinda saw what

13:42

I considered a theme, but again, I might

13:44

be looking too hard for this. The very

13:47

first thing that happens is a star

13:49

falls out of the sky. Right? Like,

13:51

biblical proportion kind of event and

13:53

also kinda made me think of, like, Lucifer

13:56

falling from the heavens down to earth.

13:59

And I know that it's not the right

14:01

chronology that doesn't happen until after

14:03

in the bible, but and also the

14:05

the morning star is Venus. It's not an actual

14:08

star. But, you know,

14:10

having a star fall out of the sky, I think

14:12

is kind of kind of setting

14:14

things up for what's gonna happen. But then,

14:16

like, the second sign that he gets

14:19

is the heavens break open and

14:21

poor water fourth upon him personally.

14:23

Right? And then it follows him around for a bit,

14:26

which, again, the celestial order

14:28

breaking down Okay. I guess the

14:30

the radio one also counts because that

14:32

is hearing the voices that

14:34

are carried on the a

14:36

serial realm, you know? Or with supernatural calls

14:38

Angel Radio. Exactly. Right.

14:42

And but then, like, the big thing that really

14:44

throws everything out for him is that his

14:47

father returns from the dead, which

14:49

you just you can't get much more biblical than

14:51

literally having someone come back from the dead.

14:53

Right? I mean, oh,

14:56

okay. I was gonna say other than walking

14:58

on water, but he does that. Yes. He

15:00

does that at the end. Yeah. You did amazing. Yeah.

15:02

Okay. And you know if you think about it, the

15:04

star falling out of the sky that

15:07

fits with the Apple iconography with,

15:09

you know, the applicable tale

15:11

of Newton being struck by a falling apple.

15:14

Oh, okay. I mean, I have to really

15:16

squint for that one. But if I'm looking

15:18

for an apple, that might be it. Like, it almost

15:20

literally hit him in the head and made him start theorizing

15:22

about this stuff. Yeah. Or

15:24

maybe a you have a skylight of the knowledge of a good evil.

15:26

Yeah. Exactly. under the the Greek

15:29

translation, Yes.

15:31

So do do you remember when he goes into

15:33

the elevator and he sees all that stuff. Right?

15:36

Uh-huh. I think that was after the radio. I

15:38

believe so yet. Yeah. Because then he turns around because,

15:40

like, the the those old twins

15:42

push up against the product placement again. And

15:45

then he goes in the office and he just turns around.

15:47

It's playing like this kind of like upbeat

15:50

whimsical music. I

15:52

And I thought it was playing hero music.

15:54

Yeah. A bit. Because that was that was when he started,

15:57

like, rushing into other buildings and he walks out

15:59

into the street and holds up his hands. Yeah.

16:01

And Like, he's starting to do reality

16:03

testing at that point, and that's when we get the hero

16:05

music playing. Isn't that cool? And I thought

16:07

it was wonderful. Yeah. Well,

16:09

the song stuck with me, and I nominated it

16:11

for this episode's Inter Natural Music.

16:14

So when I was watching it again today, I put up I

16:16

pulled up a, what do you call it, Shazam, on my

16:18

phone. And it's called Anthem

16:20

part two by Philip Glass. And I

16:23

recognized that name because he did the some

16:25

nerd's gonna call me out on this. Some awesome nerd who

16:27

knows more than I do. He did a Doctor Manhattan

16:30

theme song from the

16:32

Watchman movie -- Yeah. -- also called,

16:34

what, Privet, I don't know, it's

16:36

probably Greek or Latin or something. But

16:39

it it they took it for the new

16:41

season season of stranger things too. For a very

16:43

document hat and the moment end character, kind of a total

16:45

rip off. But Anyway,

16:48

it because I I love that song,

16:50

doctor and if you don't remember the scene, the scene

16:52

where doctor Manhattan's giving his backstory.

16:55

Okay. It's got this epic music to it.

16:58

Same director and or same musician. Yeah.

17:01

So anyway, I guess I I pulled that

17:03

out because the music could have been

17:05

ominous and dark, but like I said, it was and heroic

17:07

is a good way to put it too. But I

17:09

don't know. I was proud of myself for, like, recognizing,

17:12

like, that sounds like I shouldn't you know, I'm kinda

17:14

familiar with this and I was because I knew the

17:16

the composer. Yeah. But,

17:18

anyway, the Yeah. Oh,

17:21

yeah. Then he goes in and he's talking to his friend.

17:23

Right? Mhmm. And this is again one

17:25

of those hundred little details. When Truman's

17:28

looking away, he pulls chocolate

17:30

back out the I noticed that too

17:32

so that he can keep stocking and keep him there talking.

17:35

Mhmm. You know, like, again,

17:37

this is like another, you know, hater

17:39

nitpick, but there's no way there's only five

17:41

thousand cameras. Right? There

17:44

there's probably a lot more. There there has to be

17:46

probably ten times that many. There

17:48

are like half a dozen on a boat that they have

17:50

no reason to think you'd ever go near. Right.

17:52

You know? So there there's cameras

17:55

inside vending machine in a store

17:57

that he probably goes into maybe three,

17:59

four times a year. Yeah. Again, not not

18:01

complaining. I just this looks another thing. I was there's gotta

18:03

be more than that. But

18:05

anyway, the

18:08

Well, I guess I was gonna bring up the time the the

18:10

chat with his friend later, but I was we're taking this anything

18:12

like chronological to get there later. Is

18:15

this the chat with his friend where his dad shows

18:17

up? Yeah. I think it's

18:19

around this time, isn't it? Well,

18:21

so, like, we we there's the whole part where, like,

18:24

you know, so he's like, hey, I think I'm onto something.

18:26

And then he goes home. And I think,

18:28

is this before after the flashback? I

18:31

think it's I think it's before. I think he goes

18:34

home after his weird day in flashbacks. I

18:36

think the flashback came before that

18:38

maybe it was Red Rambair. Well, I think I just

18:40

remember, like, that there was a long there was

18:42

a whole day in between and including

18:45

think where like he tries to leave and he ducks his wife

18:47

and everything. Right? Yes. That all happens

18:49

before he talks to his friend at night. The

18:51

second time. The first time when their golfing is

18:54

earlier on. You're right. Okay.

18:56

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But when it when it catches up, that's,

18:59

like, I think, you know, twenty minutes

19:01

towards the end of the movie. Yeah. Yeah.

19:03

No. Twenty minutes? Well, it's it's right

19:05

before he goes missing and ends up on boat and stuff.

19:08

Yeah. However long that scene, maybe half an hour.

19:10

But -- Okay. -- at the point. The,

19:13

I guess, I don't know, as long as we're talking about that

19:15

scene, just did it did it break

19:17

your heart? Or was it you know, because he said and you write

19:19

me at the beginning that he says, you know,

19:21

this isn't this isn't fake. This is all real.

19:24

But he's he's reading lines

19:26

that are being fed to his fed to him in real

19:29

time. He's like, I if

19:31

this is if this is everybody, it mean me. And

19:33

we know it's not because, you know,

19:35

you trust me and I love you and, like

19:38

and he's he's just verbatim

19:41

reading the lines of you

19:43

know, the director to him. And

19:45

that that broke my heart. Me

19:47

too. But also, I didn't catch this

19:49

the first couple times I saw it, but this

19:51

time when I was watching it, I got the

19:53

impression, like, from Jim Carey's

19:55

facial expression that when he

19:57

delivers the line, if everyone

19:59

is in on it, then I'm in on a two

20:01

Truman And, like, it

20:04

seemed to me that at that point, his like,

20:07

the lights went on. He was like, oh,

20:09

fuck. My friend is on it

20:11

too. The whole world is

20:13

fake, whereas before he

20:15

had thought that his friend was still his friend. Right?

20:17

And wasn't until he delivered that line that his

20:19

eyes went up and, you know, just had the exact

20:21

opposite effect of what his friend had intended. I

20:24

remember that look of horror kind of like

20:26

on its face, but I didn't get back there back to

20:28

the point when I was watching it again today. think

20:30

I think you're right. Because I'd explain,

20:33

you know, had thought that when

20:35

his friend went to go find him and couldn't

20:37

that, like, maybe it would come out that he helps Truman

20:39

escape somehow. Right? Mhmm. Because when he was

20:41

also when he's living those lines, like, the friend was almost

20:43

also almost crying. Yeah. And I didn't

20:45

know if it was because he's a really good actor or

20:48

because he felt bad lying to this guy

20:50

so hard. Yeah. Maybe

20:53

both. Could could be both. But if it was more the

20:55

latter than the former, then I think he would have helped him escape.

20:59

But Either way, I think you're right

21:01

that he maybe the way that he delivered it, he's

21:03

like, we know each other so well if I emphasize it this

21:05

way. You know, if everybody is in on it,

21:07

it means I am. Yeah. I think you're

21:09

right. Because if you're gonna tell anybody,

21:11

hey, I'm I'm getting out of here. You tell your best friend,

21:13

you'd help you get out. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

21:16

No. I think you're right. Oh,

21:18

but I forgot the flashback. Mhmm.

21:21

I liked how it diabetically well This

21:23

is the one where they were in high school. Right? Yeah. But

21:25

we get the flashback because there's people watching

21:28

the show, like, in a diner or something. Yeah.

21:30

And then the screen does the The flashback

21:32

waves. Right? Mhmm. And that's how

21:34

we get the flashback. Mhmm. I thought that was

21:36

kinda funny because the viewers are also getting

21:39

one. Yeah. For them, what would have

21:41

been, like, fifteen years ago because the show's live

21:43

all the time. Yeah. Which kind of makes

21:45

you wonder how they plug in flashbacks if

21:47

they're gonna, you know, where do they putting

21:49

those lost fifteen minutes that the flashback was playing.

21:52

Not a problem. It was something that was boring. Maybe he

21:54

was taking a shower or taking a dump or something during

21:56

that time When they're when it's twenty twenty four hours, there

21:58

has to be, like, a best of real or something because

22:00

for many hours of the day, he's not doing anything noteworthy.

22:02

Well, remember at the end of the flashback, like,

22:04

there they shoot go back to the True Bar

22:06

or Truman Bar, whatever it was called. And

22:09

the the waitress's boss is like, why are you

22:11

watching this? It's on our best of real

22:13

anyway. Right. Yeah, they they have the best

22:15

of art or the best of collections. Yeah.

22:18

When he's figuring it out, it's

22:20

it's wild. Right? Mhmm. Because

22:22

he he he has no idea what he's on to. Mhmm.

22:25

Just like something weird happening. This

22:27

is an interesting thing I have

22:29

said this before, I don't remember where,

22:31

but the matrix is

22:33

about dissociation and that

22:35

I will die on that hill. Sure.

22:37

Maybe there's trans stuff in there too, but

22:39

these things can be related. Actually, yeah,

22:41

they probably are. But the main thing it's about

22:44

is the feeling of dissociation and

22:46

Matrix came out in nineteen ninety nine. Truman

22:48

Show came out in ninety eight. It

22:50

also has strong dissociation themes

22:52

where the world is unreal,

22:54

and he's starting to realize that. And

22:57

if he scratches the surface, there's there's

22:59

just it's a facade. There's nothing

23:01

underneath. There's the green room

23:04

in the elevator that people

23:06

were relaxing in before they pushed the

23:08

the wall back in front of it. Fight club

23:10

came out, I think, in ninety nine, and they had a similar

23:12

kind of thing. There was something going on. And, I

23:14

mean, that was my life too. Although, it

23:17

it's harder for me to say that, yeah, that was my

23:19

life because I was teacher and teenagers of all sorts

23:21

of mental health issues due to the compulsory

23:23

schooling thing. But there was something

23:25

going on in the late nineties, I think, where dissociation

23:28

was just heavily in the

23:30

cultural spirit and it leaked

23:32

through in in these movies or

23:35

maybe I just latched on to all movies that

23:37

did show it because I know there

23:39

were other ones with similar

23:41

themes that existed both before

23:43

and after, but it seemed to be a real

23:45

peak right in the late nineties. About

23:47

people being like, the world is not real.

23:49

Guys, what's going on here? I'm not the only

23:51

one seeing this. Now you definitely want to do something

23:53

because I've definitely heard someone else It was

23:55

like either comedian or something. Well,

23:58

do you remember in the matrix when agent

24:01

Smith says to Morpheus, that

24:03

we tried to give you humans a perfect

24:05

world and you wouldn't accept it.

24:07

You kept breaking the world. So we had

24:09

to create one that had some misery and suffering in

24:12

it for you to accept it. Yeah. I'm not

24:14

saying the nineties in America

24:16

was perfect or anything, but it

24:18

was kinda peak America. And

24:21

maybe too many people started doubting

24:23

the matrix. And so the lords of the matrix were

24:25

like, okay. We we gotta turn things up.

24:27

Let's give them a nine eleven let's start making

24:29

shit crazy and bad again because too many

24:31

people are doubting reality and it's gonna break stuff.

24:34

You know, that's we can't roll it out. We

24:36

don't have to wonder why the Lord of the Matrix would let him make

24:38

Jix movie into the Matrix. But --

24:40

Got it. -- there

24:42

there might be one Lord of Matrix is kind of a trickster

24:45

lokey guy who likes to sneak in things

24:47

like that. Right. And and really, what are

24:49

we gonna do? Not accept the reality of the world

24:51

we're presented with -- Yes, ma'am. -- was our alternative.

24:54

Like, literally, what else is our option? I

24:56

mean -- Right. -- there was another movie, I think, the thirteenth

24:58

floor. Was a movie that had vague recollections

25:00

of seeing that my memory of that pet ping

25:03

definitely has, like, eighties or nineties

25:06

CGI. Yeah. I

25:08

think you're right. The the the line that I heard is, like, things

25:10

were chill enough that people had, like, invent their own problems

25:12

or something or, like, invent a world where things

25:15

were worse. I can't remember what the line I heard

25:17

was, but it's something like that. I mean, because you're right,

25:19

this was I'm not an economist or

25:21

historian, but I feel like it was if not the

25:23

biggest, one of the biggest economic booms in the history

25:25

of at least our country without the

25:27

planet -- Yeah. -- with the invention of the Internet

25:29

and before

25:31

everything on the Internet went to shit. So --

25:33

Yeah. -- there was a little lower Yeah.

25:36

The thirteenth floor is nineteen ninety nine.

25:38

There we go. And that just reminded me

25:41

dark city has the same kind of thing. Dark city

25:43

is nineteen ninety eight. Okay. That's awesome.

25:45

Yeah. There's definitely something going on there. So

25:48

oh, yeah. We've we've got the flashback. Right?

25:52

Yeah. And the, you

25:54

know, it's funny because she's telling him what's

25:56

up. Right? Yeah. If

25:58

you're not ready to hear it, you

26:00

know, like you and I, if someone plausibly started

26:02

screaming at our faces. This is the matrix. We'd

26:04

be inclined to at least hear them out

26:07

because we've heard of the matrix. Mhmm. But

26:09

if this was nineteen ninety six and they're

26:11

screaming that in their faces, we'd be

26:13

like, I'm sorry. You you

26:16

should probably go with your dad. You've clearly got

26:18

something going on. Right? Yes.

26:20

So I get why like, people have told them it's

26:23

fake, it's TV, whatever, but, like, it's all been

26:25

so quick, and you know,

26:27

it's in the in the scope of life, it's

26:29

like, again, if you're not questioning

26:31

your constant reality, you're like, that was weird.

26:33

Mhmm. But that's it. Did

26:35

you get that she was Eve? No.

26:37

That's awesome. Because Yes.

26:39

Yeah. So a hundred percent she gave yeah. She planted

26:41

the seed. Yep. She had the forbidden

26:44

knowledge, and she tried to impart it to him.

26:46

And, like, even in the flashback, she's she

26:48

has practical forbidden knowledge she knows

26:50

where the cameras are and they can escape

26:53

a bit to get some privacy because of that.

26:55

Oh, no. Wait. I'm trying to remember

26:57

the scene on the beach. Because that was playing with

26:59

people in TV. The cameras must have been on the car or

27:01

something. Right? Yeah. There there was

27:03

the thing I'm thinking about is that when they were leaving

27:05

high school and the cameras packing them and they

27:07

walk behind a pillar or something, and the camera

27:09

keeps going, but no one comes up

27:12

from the other side of the pillar. And,

27:14

like, the camera jerks all over. It's like, where where are

27:16

they? Because she knew where the cameras were.

27:18

That's solid. Mhmm. Yeah.

27:21

I yeah. I mean, you know, it's perfect. She's

27:23

she's totally the eve there. I'm

27:26

just trying to think of, like, you know,

27:28

it's ever when Lois

27:30

didn't notice that Clark looked like Superman or

27:33

rather didn't think this froppy

27:35

guy next to me is Superman. Right.

27:37

Like she had noticed the connection. Right?

27:39

Yeah. That's funny that Clark kinda

27:41

looks like Superman. Right. Unlike I

27:44

remember Brian and I disagreed about how plausible

27:46

it was that she would jump to the conclusion. I

27:48

think that it III think

27:50

it's completely plausible that, you

27:52

know, again, the guy who stands next who's next to

27:54

me at work, you know, huffing out of breath standing next

27:56

to the vending machine or whatever, Like,

27:58

that guy is not the guy I see throwing meteorites

28:01

and punching monsters, whatever.

28:03

Right? I've been told a few times

28:05

that I kinda look like Kiana Reeves and yet no

28:07

one has actually accused me of secretly being

28:09

Kiana Reeves. Right. In

28:12

fact, I there's a great anecdote. forget

28:14

where I saw this. Somebody

28:16

was talking to Tony

28:19

Hawk. Mhmm. And said, you you look kinda

28:21

like Tony Hawk. And he's like, that's because I am. It's

28:23

like, oh, sure. Right? Right.

28:25

If if Clark had said, oh, yeah, I'm Superman. They're like,

28:27

oh, like fuck you are, prove it. Right?

28:29

Yeah. They would never have believed him until he had

28:31

flown or gotten shot. Right? Kind of famously

28:34

Charlie Chaplin entered a Charlie Chaplin local

28:36

eye contest and one third place

28:38

third place. Yeah.

28:42

So Let's see. He keeps the sweater

28:44

from I can't remember multicolor e because

28:47

I can't remember regular of her names. Yeah.

28:49

And I thought it was interesting that they let

28:51

him do that. Like the the lords

28:53

of the of the world because his wife

28:55

could have found it and tossed it out well cleaning

28:57

or something. Right? Right. And

28:59

you know how many times things go missing.

29:02

Right? Like, just a couple weeks

29:04

ago, I was looking for the Halloween decorations box.

29:06

Which I had filled and put in the basement about three

29:08

weeks after Halloween because we like Halloween and

29:10

we keep the decorations up a bit longer.

29:12

It's gone. It's not in the basement. It's not on the

29:15

ground floor. It's not on the upper floor. It's not in the garage.

29:17

The box is just gone now. And

29:19

I'm like, well, I guess that's what

29:21

happens in the world sometimes the house eats

29:24

your box. I mean, it

29:26

it's true. In in the move that we did a

29:28

couple months ago, I lost a

29:30

set of of curtains And

29:33

they're I think they're accompanying rods and

29:36

my shovels. Even though the shovels

29:39

are right next to stuff that I have. Those shovels.

29:41

Yeah. Yeah. Like, it just

29:43

somehow lost them. So, you know,

29:46

but and, you know, who knows what else we've lost that I haven't

29:48

noticed this missing yet? But the thing with the sweaters

29:50

is that, like, it's his price possession he knows

29:52

right where it is. Right? That's a good point.

29:54

If you visited that that Halloween decoration's

29:56

box a couple times a week to go sniff

29:58

it, like, you'd definitely know that it was

30:00

missing. But she could've, you know, they

30:02

could've thrown it out. And she the wife

30:04

could've said, oh, that old that old thing, I it

30:06

was full of ass. I tossed it with other junk.

30:08

Right? Yeah. But -- Yeah. -- I think the Lemon Keepic

30:10

is attributing television. Right? Mhmm. Like

30:13

watching him sit there heartbroken, even

30:15

though it's over something that's kind of immersion

30:17

breaking, But like, oh, that's

30:19

that's a damn good point that if

30:22

it makes for good TV, they let him keep

30:24

it or do it. Yeah. I think

30:26

they don't they don't have just his best interest

30:28

at heart. They have mostly his

30:30

best interest at heart, but they need

30:32

good TV too. That's that's where

30:34

it's clear, like, that the we

30:39

might say the the values are totally

30:41

aligned. Right? Or their goals.

30:43

He's suffering with these memories even

30:46

in the context of the Truman show, the

30:48

TV show. That sweater is somewhat immersion

30:50

breaking, but only on the level for the

30:53

viewer to know, like, oh, yeah, that person

30:55

went off script. But it's not immersion

30:57

breaking that it's like Truman

31:00

going off script because he doesn't have one. Yeah.

31:02

And so it doesn't actually matter where

31:04

this thing came from. It's it's that he's

31:07

there crying over it. Mhmm. This

31:09

kind of brings to mind. It's

31:11

not clear to me and maybe this

31:13

fits into another allegorical

31:15

thing that you noticed. Maybe it is just part of

31:17

the fact that, like, the world is safe and scripted. Maybe

31:19

that explains all of it. Why is everybody

31:22

an actor who has like a fake

31:24

name and a routine. Right? Like,

31:26

the girl on the red bike and the guy with

31:28

the flowers and that dented

31:31

Volkswagen bug They just do laps

31:33

around the block for thirty years. Like,

31:36

presumably they change it up once in a while, but,

31:38

like, around the block, like, he doesn't need

31:40

that kind of action. Most of us don't break out the window

31:42

and and notice which cars go by.

31:44

And these people need to be eating

31:47

and drinking and doing, you know, running

31:49

getting groceries and stuff. Right? Like, the

31:51

hustle bustle of the town could just be that.

31:53

But everything is scripted. Everyone's got their starting

31:56

position for the morning, you know. That was

31:58

the coolness scene where they're

32:00

about to start looking for him and everyone

32:02

suit to your starting positions. And,

32:04

like, just the world is just frozen as people

32:06

are waiting. That was That was wild.

32:09

I there there was a weird thing with that.

32:11

So they did that after they

32:13

searched this the the town in

32:15

the least efficient way possible. Do

32:18

you think that's the least efficient way possible? They're

32:20

like a linked arms basically marched as a

32:22

as a squadron. Right. Because

32:24

you just literally walk every

32:26

single square foot. I mean, if they were looking

32:28

for like a lost eyeglass lens, sure.

32:31

But they're looking for something the size of

32:33

a of a person. I think they

32:35

don't need to, like, link arms. They they,

32:38

you know, at least spread out, like like you do

32:40

with a real search and rescue mission in the woods.

32:42

Right? Sure. Yeah. Just within line of sight

32:44

of each other. Or maybe I don't know. Line

32:46

of sight probably isn't enough. Yeah. Not line of sight,

32:49

but it's, you know, close to the line of sight, but definitely

32:51

while the arms reach, maybe throwing distance, you

32:53

know. I would think maybe arms

32:55

reach because like, what if there's a bush between you

32:57

and the person that's, you know, your next closest

32:59

person? What if you have to go over there and walk

33:02

through the bush to make sure there isn't a human inside it.

33:04

Right? Yeah. And then if they don't go

33:06

on the other side, then you and the person

33:08

on the other side that person that just is that that person

33:10

but missing. Yeah. But it's

33:13

I I think you're right. Linking arms is

33:15

too much, but, you know, I would put people

33:17

close to the line of sight. But also, I guess more

33:19

importantly, It's just kind of a show

33:22

of strength and also kind of

33:24

horror, you know. That was the vibe I was going

33:26

for. Or that what I was going towards was,

33:28

like, they the second things

33:31

get serious, they're immediately regimented

33:34

like they've done this a hundred times. They might even have

33:36

drills. Oh. You know, like, I

33:38

doubt it just because we're, you know, what are the odds that they're gonna

33:40

do? Like, a Truman's missing kind of sweep.

33:42

Mhmm. Like, why would they train for that? But the fact

33:44

that they're this well coordinated on on on

33:46

a dime. You know, like when the dad shows up

33:48

and snap, people

33:51

who rush into the bus a troop

33:53

of joggers with, you know, numbers

33:55

gets in his way, thing, thing,

33:57

thing, blocks him. Right? Mhmm. They

33:59

orchestrated all of that in ten seconds. Yeah.

34:03

But, oh, the the thing about them all standing frozen,

34:05

that's what was weird. Was they all assumed starting

34:07

position after the night, you know, of searching

34:10

when god rose the sun early -- Yeah. --

34:12

to look for him better. And, like, what? He's just gonna feel

34:14

it worth an extended thing again.

34:16

Right. It was epic. But Yeah. -- what

34:18

was weird and this so, like, I don't think this is

34:20

bad writing. I think missing something. Why did

34:22

they all go back to starting position, actually, everything is

34:24

normal? There's no way Truman's not gonna notice

34:26

the sun's up three hours early. Oh, well, I

34:28

mean, the sun's up so that they can see easier.

34:30

Yeah. It's not dark. I think they all

34:33

went back to their starting positions because there's so

34:35

many fucking people in the town that if

34:37

everyone's at their starting positions, there's probably

34:39

someone looking at every single

34:41

part of town. It's more like the line of sight thing that you

34:43

were saying. I tried the linking arms and walking

34:46

across it and that didn't turn up anything, so they instead

34:48

go to starting positions which covers

34:50

everything. I mean, I guess yeah.

34:52

And then when I put the sun up, then you can see more.

34:55

But -- Mhmm. -- I I guess, I at

34:57

that point, the game's up. You know, Truman

34:59

saw the sun come up early. Yeah. If he wasn't

35:01

if he wasn't concerned when he tunneled out of his

35:03

basement dug into his backyard, he's

35:05

concerned now. Right? Well,

35:07

I mean, seeing everybody in the world frozen

35:09

under starting positions would also be concerning. So

35:11

I don't think it was a attempt

35:13

to fool him. It was an attempt to find him.

35:16

I mean, and they could've just been looking around. I

35:18

think I think they were there, like

35:20

I mean, you can't be looking around. On the camera, she showed

35:22

back up. I don't think so. Because,

35:24

like, you can't be looking around,

35:27

but the coordination is hard. And

35:29

this is like this is especially a kind of thing

35:31

that I I guess I noticed more being

35:33

a guild leader for a while. Like, on some

35:36

bosses, you have to spread out in

35:38

a very tight range. Right? Like, you gotta be seven

35:40

yards away from everybody else so you can

35:42

hit them with the thing that you need to hit them. But

35:45

no no farther or no closer than seven

35:47

yards so that they don't get hit with dash slash

35:49

damage effects. And you

35:51

say at first like everyone has a rangefinder, just

35:53

stand somewhere that says you're more than seven yards

35:56

away from everyone, but still stay pretty close, and

35:58

that never fucking works. And so

36:00

what you do instead is you come up with

36:02

a map of the room and you assign each

36:04

individual person a specific spot

36:06

that they run to and then it's

36:09

easy. It's like clockwork. So

36:11

if you were just to tell the entire town spread

36:14

out a lot, look you know,

36:16

cover every single thing with your

36:18

eyes, you

36:20

can't you can't coordinate that. But if

36:22

you have already a pre established place

36:25

everyone can stand that spreads people

36:27

out fairly uniformly and

36:29

fairly efficiently so that they

36:31

can see basically the entire town

36:33

once they're in those spots, then you just use that.

36:35

And I think their starting positions was basically like

36:37

that. You know, that's distinctly plausible.

36:41

I mean, I guess, they could have had people looking

36:44

around in that position rather than standing

36:47

motionless like scary mannequins. But a,

36:49

that that looks cooler. And be I

36:51

think there there might have been something to okay.

36:53

Everyone pretend like it's normal. Mhmm. Like,

36:55

do the thing you're gonna do, you know, Sun's

36:58

coming up, act like, you know, just

37:00

go with the go with the flow. Because that's also

37:03

the easiest emergency

37:05

plan. Right? In in in

37:08

the parlance of of world of Warcraft? Stick

37:10

to the plan. Yes. So

37:13

And also, like, those those are just three

37:15

extremely powerful shows of strength by

37:17

God in a row. That first, all the

37:19

beings in the world link arms

37:21

and try to flush you out. And then

37:24

he rises the sun early and

37:26

then everybody goes back to

37:28

acting like like Atomati, just

37:31

pre programmed script actors, which

37:33

I guess they are. But you see those

37:35

three things right in row would be absolutely

37:37

unnerving to any normal human. Right?

37:41

Yeah. No. I mean, hundred percent.

37:44

It makes me think of the other shows a strength

37:47

like the the rain thing you mentioned earlier.

37:49

And I'm I'm guessing

37:51

they rained on him directly rather than

37:53

around him due to a technical error. The same kind of

37:55

thing that caused light to fall. Yeah. And

37:58

they they started raining on him because was

38:00

clear that he's in a melancholy mood

38:02

staring out over the ocean and they're like, this look better

38:04

if he was getting rained on. Oh, okay.

38:07

Probably. Right? Yeah. I mean,

38:09

someone fucked up. Goddamn intern.

38:11

Well, I mean or, you know, the machine's broken or something.

38:13

Right? Yeah. It's just falling apart. But

38:16

or a little bit anyway. But the I

38:19

I think it was either because they wanted him to

38:21

go home or they were like,

38:23

oh, this this will look better if looks sadder and who

38:25

looks more sad than somebody wet sitting

38:27

there sitting on the ground. Right? I like

38:29

the idea if they wanted him to go home. It

38:31

reminds me of the interview we had with Alexander

38:33

Wales where he's like yeah, you know, you don't

38:35

ever make your characters do things

38:38

because that breaks the story, but you

38:41

alter the situation so they do the thing that

38:43

you want to happen. Naturally.

38:45

Like, that is what their character would do in

38:47

that situation. And, yeah, it's, you know, you

38:49

you want Truman to go home, but you can't

38:52

just, like, change his brain to be like, and then

38:54

Truman decides to go home. Now you make it rain. then

38:56

Truman's like, oh, fuck this. I'm going home.

38:58

I like how twice in two days his best friend just

39:00

basically kicks his front door in with, like, a six

39:02

pack. Yeah. Like, dude, we're drinking.

39:05

Like, that's that's the closest fraction to, like,

39:07

changing, you know, changing his minds directly.

39:09

Right? Yes. That

39:13

was great when she yelled to the camera. Do

39:15

something, man. Yeah. Who

39:17

are you talking to? I guess if you

39:19

had any doubt that, like, maybe I'm losing it,

39:21

you know. Mhmm. Maybe I am kinda going

39:23

overboard. She yells for help.

39:26

And he's just okay.

39:29

Now I know you what the fuck is happening?

39:31

Or you now I know something is happening.

39:34

Right? Yeah. It's it's

39:36

not clear that I don't think he knows what's up

39:38

until, you know, he's told

39:41

by the director at the end. Like,

39:43

I think think he has know something is going

39:45

on. Maybe he remembers the fact that people told him about the TV

39:47

thing or something, but I think he just knows,

39:50

this isn't this isn't what I think it is.

39:52

I need I need to get away from it.

39:54

Like, when he crashes into

39:56

the sky. That first

39:58

of all, that was just an amazing piece of filmmaking

40:01

because we see for, like, a

40:03

second or two, the shadow of the thing

40:05

going up on the wall. And it's just it's, like,

40:07

weird, bizarre. You're, like, what what's happening? Is there

40:09

something wrong with the movie? And then he into

40:12

the sky and it's like, oh, shit.

40:14

And his reaction is just disbelief

40:17

and then raging against against

40:19

the firmament of the heavens that he has now run

40:21

into was fucking amazing. Your

40:24

phrasing is perfect. Yeah. I think

40:26

it's not wrong either. Right? That's that's

40:28

basically literally what it is. Yes.

40:31

I wanna we'll we'll swing back to this in a minute.

40:33

The the his first attempted escape. I wanna

40:35

talk about that in a little more detail. We'll just we'll put

40:37

a pin in that. When he's like

40:40

you said, when he's driving around being hilarious

40:42

hilarious in a way. Right? I

40:44

was waiting to see if they were gonna do any,

40:46

like, oh, yeah, that's Jim Carrey. Yeah.

40:49

And they did a bit with this scene. But

40:51

also, they tried Moby Hilla just like Wilson from

40:53

House. Haircut, the hairstyle

40:55

-- Mhmm. -- his expression -- Okay. -- it was surprising.

40:58

But you're right. That's when he's, like, finally

41:00

doing the like, I'm being spontaneous.

41:03

Somebody stop me or whatever. Right? Mhmm.

41:06

That's the like, oh, yeah. This is a Ventura. Yeah.

41:09

But what I'm looking at is that ridiculous. It

41:11

was sick before this movie, he had

41:13

only done comedies. And, I

41:15

mean, I've I found many parts of this movie

41:17

funny, but I found them less funny

41:20

now and absolutely hilarious in ninety eight.

41:22

And I think it's because I was primed to

41:24

come into a Jim Carrey movie, you know. But if

41:26

you're like coming into something more serious, they're

41:28

they're not as funny. It's interesting how our expectations

41:31

change what we actually get out of stuff, which

41:33

I guess is part of the whole

41:35

being presented with a reality thing. That's what I was

41:37

gonna say. Very nice. Yeah. I

41:39

think if you told me, Steven, this is a really funny

41:41

movie, Buckle Love. It's it's a laugh.

41:44

I probably got them given different intentions.

41:46

My vibe going in because like I said, I knew the theme. I'm

41:48

like, oh, this is gonna be some kind of

41:50

fucked up hellscape you know, behind

41:53

the scenes. And it wasn't

41:55

quite that, but it wasn't quite not

41:57

that. Right? I should've I mean, I guess

41:59

I should've told you as well that you know, it's probably

42:02

gonna be hilarious because the

42:04

original trailers, as I recall, were

42:07

pretty darn playing up the comedy aspect

42:09

of it. And again, it's Jim Carey,

42:11

who is the comedy guy of the mid late

42:13

nineties. When I watch in the theaters,

42:15

I laughed every few minutes. Like,

42:17

sometimes I laughed a ton Like, when

42:19

he was driving in circles in the car,

42:22

this time I was like, wow. Yeah. That's that's really

42:24

awesome. But when I was first watching it the first time

42:26

I was like, I was laughing out loud.

42:28

I was like, this is amazing and hilarious, and

42:30

he's doing his crazy Jim Carrey thing

42:32

again. But it worked in

42:34

this movie. I think that's like kind of

42:37

the genius of it that it combined

42:39

his crazy manic Jim

42:41

Carryingness with this world

42:43

where how how else are you supposed

42:45

to respond to such a

42:47

a fake world? It is it is absurd and

42:49

the only way to react to it is

42:52

with insanity. Right? Like, in a in a

42:54

set in an insane world, it only

42:56

the insane or sane something along those lines? Something

42:58

like that. You know, like, I I think it

43:00

was it worked well and to help him break out into

43:02

more serious acting. Oh, I think you're probably right

43:04

for sure. I mean, and, you know, his,

43:06

like, expression and, like, the way he again,

43:09

it's it's a characteristic identifying

43:11

thing of just how he moves. You know, like, there's gate

43:13

recognition. There's there's that,

43:15

I think, for other forms of motion. Like, when

43:17

he's talking to his friend at the vending machine and he turns

43:19

around and claps then turns back. Yes.

43:21

That's in a very if that was just a silhouette of

43:24

a person, I'm like, is that Jim Carey? Yeah.

43:26

You know, the way he leads Yeah.

43:28

The way he leans back when he says, good afternoon,

43:31

good evening, and good night, it's or

43:33

or not when he says, but, like, right after me.

43:35

Yeah. Kinda, like, that's his

43:38

the exaggerated motions,

43:40

I guess. In the, you know, the big expressions and

43:42

stuff. Mhmm. According to the trivia section on

43:44

Amazon, I saw today, allegedly Samuel

43:46

Jackson turned down the role of Truman, which

43:49

-- Thank God. --

43:51

took it wrong. He's awesome. But he he was

43:53

awesome, you know, Juul's and,

43:55

you know, Nick Cage or Nick Cage.

43:58

Nick Fury. Yeah. I

44:00

think III

44:02

don't think he's the kind of funnyslash.

44:06

Maybe he is. Like, I I've seen him in a lot of stuff,

44:08

but, you know, I've seen him play more bad asses than I see

44:10

him play you know, heartbroken, disenchanted

44:14

victims of the world. Right? Yeah.

44:16

He's he's far more intense. Yeah.

44:19

It would have been a different movie, I think. But yeah,

44:21

like, you know, the the circling around

44:23

escape scene, like, it

44:25

was funny. And, you know, my

44:28

wife sent me a picture after, like, maybe the

44:30

next day, it was Jim Carey driving

44:32

in a circle, like, help being spontaneous or

44:34

something. It's it's a capturable moment. Right?

44:37

Mhmm. But I don't remember if I left

44:39

or not. If I did, it was with the undertone

44:42

of, like, oh, god, he's just he

44:44

he has no idea what's happening, and this is him

44:47

freaking out and, you know, hitting his

44:49

hands on the glass of the world, trying to make

44:51

it break and show him something. You know?

44:53

Yeah. And then it does. When he tries

44:55

to leave and go to the highway, like, boom. Oh,

44:57

look at that. No traffic. A second ago, now

45:00

traffic. And she's like, we should leave. You're

45:02

right. We might be stuck here all day. I

45:04

can't remember if that's when he does circles or if he'd already done them,

45:06

but he does some more. Yeah.

45:08

He does some more. And then, oh, then he goes back

45:10

and that intersection's empty. Yeah. It was the same

45:12

one. And then gets across the bridge.

45:15

The layers of paranoia they have and the full

45:17

time staff, they have that will,

45:19

like, hopefully, never be on screen. Right?

45:21

Mhmm. Like, they have the whole fire, but the forest

45:24

fire thing. Yeah. And he's like, fuck

45:26

it, not real, and he's right. Yeah. But

45:28

but at that point too, I think he's just like anything

45:30

that gets my way is fake. And granted

45:32

he's right, but his commitment

45:35

to that driving through fire is

45:37

is hardcore. And then he gets you

45:39

out to the nuclear power plant to, oh, would

45:41

you look at that? It's having a it's having a

45:43

meltdown. Yeah. And when that guy was

45:46

chasing it with the Geiger counter, I realized it was a

45:48

camera before it showed it from that angle. Yeah.

45:50

Because it's like why would they why are they chasing it? I'm

45:52

like, oh, for god's sake. They even have

45:54

this ready to catch him on film. It's

45:56

fantastic. Yeah. I also

45:58

have this scene in my notes because

46:01

when he drove through that that, you

46:03

know, line of fire across the road, I

46:05

was like, kind of fire. That seems kinda

46:07

biblical. I thought about it for a second. I was like,

46:09

oh, we are right. After they got kicked out of the Garden of Eden, there

46:11

was a flaming sword at the entrance that wouldn't

46:13

let them back in. So like, maybe that's

46:15

reference to the flaming sword at the, you know,

46:17

at the threshold of Eden. But

46:20

then, like, the dudes, when they were chasing the

46:22

radiation suits, again, that felt

46:24

kinda scary, but the people I

46:27

don't know. The way they moved, the the

46:29

look of the radiation suits, the fact that they're just

46:31

like blank squares instead

46:33

of faces. The whole thing felt very

46:35

much like biblical angel sort

46:37

of thing where there it's become

46:39

common knowledge on the Internet recently. Thank

46:42

god that Biblical angels are crazy

46:44

fucked up looking things, but it it

46:46

very much felt like that is the closest you

46:48

could get in the Truman Show village

46:50

to having literal angels

46:53

on the outside, outer edges

46:55

stopping him from leaving. And I thought,

46:57

I don't know, if that is what he was going forward,

46:59

then it was cool and creepy

47:01

and unhuman and I liked it. Now

47:03

when you say, hey, do you mean the director of

47:05

the Treatment Show or the director of the movie?

47:09

The director of the Truman show the movie. Okay.

47:12

So so not not the man in black. No.

47:14

Not Christophe. Okay. Yeah. So because I was thinking

47:17

if it was Christophe, you know, this

47:19

this is actually, I think he could have done

47:21

is they've raised Truman with

47:23

a religious outlook and if

47:26

he ever did try to leave, he is turned back

47:28

by God. How is that any less

47:30

plausible than like, you know, four different

47:32

natural disasters getting in his way in the span of

47:34

two minutes? Do you think,

47:37

energetically, Christianity exists

47:39

in the Truman Show movie? I don't think

47:41

so. Well, no, in the movie. Oh,

47:44

because he like, the two times we

47:46

hear about God, he refers to

47:48

him once as the big guy with the paintbrush. Right?

47:51

Right. When they're looking at the the fake

47:53

sunset, And then there was like

47:55

one other time where he mentions like

47:57

the man upstairs or something

47:59

like that, but there's never a direct

48:01

reference to to Christ

48:03

or the bible or Christianity as far as I

48:05

can tell, like, I'm not sure Truman

48:07

knows about the news of our Good Lord

48:10

and Savior Jesus. Which is funny to

48:12

think then if Christianity was a thing in

48:14

Truman shows universe, that means

48:16

that they are ready to condemn him to hell forever.

48:18

Because there's a chance you'll die without hearing the good

48:20

word. Oh,

48:23

damn, for the sake of good TV. Yeah.

48:26

They don't that, you know, him him praying for for salvation

48:28

every night wouldn't be all that interesting. So I

48:31

think it pretty much can't have existed.

48:33

It has to be like a parallel world that doesn't quite

48:35

have Christianity because The

48:37

Truman show is just such an obvious parallel

48:40

to to the Garden of Eden that

48:42

I I think nobody would could miss

48:44

that I mean, people might dig that about the

48:46

show. That's a good point. Yeah. I

48:48

mean, I I think I dig about the movie. Yeah. I mean,

48:51

I think the idea of like this is what the garden

48:53

could have been like. Isn't too lucky.

48:55

That that sounds it's just simply plausible. Alright.

48:57

You're you're right to your point. But

49:00

to your point, they never mentioned Jesus, so I don't

49:02

know. No one's wearing a cross. I

49:04

like how many like, I think there's at

49:06

least there's more than this, but I remember

49:08

in the travel agent's office, there's that

49:10

poster of, like, a plane being struck by lightning.

49:13

Like, everything that they're that they say

49:15

is like, oh, travel sucks. It's terrible out there.

49:17

I think it was on a flashback when you was a kid

49:20

about, like, I wanna be an adventure. It's like, oh,

49:22

you don't the world suck. It's all been discovered. Right?

49:25

I love that. I wanna be like Magellan

49:27

explore the world. She pulls down a map of the world. You're

49:29

too late. It's

49:33

again, the the level that they went to to to try and

49:35

keep in there, they could have just actually lied

49:37

to him with something

49:40

supernatural. But I guess -- Mhmm. --

49:42

you know, maybe that would kind of ruin the

49:44

show because as it is,

49:46

like, he stopped by things that could have

49:48

all actually happened. Right? Yeah.

49:50

But but if Truman encountered biblical

49:53

angels, that would kinda change

49:55

the tone of the show. Right. It wouldn't

49:57

be a reality show anymore. Yeah. So,

50:00

I mean, I guess, yeah, that was all I wanted

50:02

to hit. You know, it it's funny. Like, when he's being chased through

50:04

the woods, know, this was, you

50:06

know, within a couple of years of him playing Ace

50:08

Ventura when he's flapping around with the two tranquilized

50:11

arms and, you know, being

50:14

a goofball in a very similar situation a

50:16

very similar situation. I wonder, like,

50:20

it it's even still, like, having that in the back

50:22

of my mind. Dave, because I haven't seen these venture ever

50:24

fifteen, twenty years, but, like,

50:27

it it didn't it didn't draw

50:29

that to mind. As happens, like, deliberately, like, think

50:31

about it that way. Yeah.

50:33

I don't know. I feel like, yeah, you're right. He just sold it.

50:35

Right? I know he won some award

50:38

for some at least one award for this for his

50:40

acting. For the Truman

50:42

Show? I I believe so. Oh,

50:44

okay. I think one of the other general

50:46

trivia things that Amazon set because, like, when I

50:48

paused the movie, I just joined trivia, I

50:51

think one of the other ones was that he

50:53

was the first person to win awards.

50:56

I forget which which award in comedy and

50:59

drama with

51:01

some caveats to that. It might not

51:03

have been this movie because he started

51:06

doing more serious stuff after this. What

51:08

was it? It's sunshine and eternal sunshine in

51:11

the spotless mind was a few years after that. And

51:13

then I think man in the moon was

51:15

an actual, like, just documentary about

51:20

Kaufman, was it who died

51:22

kind of early from cancer? So they

51:24

might have gotten the award for that because that's generally

51:26

award bait when it's like, you know, here's a

51:29

genius in a person who was

51:31

really weird outside the box and he died early,

51:33

tends to get awards. That's true. Oh,

51:36

alright, random trivia. Mhmm. So

51:38

apparently, the basic story of a man unknowingly

51:40

being forced to live in an alternate reality is

51:43

is identical to the plot of the nineteen fifty fifty

51:45

nine sci fi novel, time out of

51:48

joint by Philip K Dick. Yay.

51:50

And last trivia thing that I pulled out was Truman's

51:53

house was filmed in the childhood home of Florida

51:55

Republican representative, Matt Gates.

51:57

Okay. Fun fact. Even

51:59

I heard this guy that he's in the Torya's asshole,

52:02

Oh, I've never heard of him. He's he's got,

52:05

I don't know, Google. He's a Torius

52:07

sassley. Yeah. Who's childhood home as

52:09

a movie set? Apparently,

52:11

that's one guy. Yeah. Alright. That's it

52:13

for the trivia corner. Okay. So

52:15

before he jumps out to sea, right, he meets his

52:18

dad. And we don't get any other conversation.

52:20

Right? Yeah. Yes. That

52:22

that's not important. Well, maybe

52:25

this is actually the director is talking

52:27

with with Eve

52:30

on the interview. Right? Yes. Which,

52:32

beside note, the guy doing interview

52:35

was like, oh, the director really values

52:37

his privacy. Did you catch that?

52:39

I do remember catching that. Yes. Like,

52:41

just what what a funny kick and truman's

52:44

balls is that. Right? Right. Yeah.

52:46

But if he really values his privacy oh, he leave

52:48

values privacy, does he? Yes.

52:50

But only when it's his own. Right. And

52:54

this is still sidelined from

52:56

the dad thing, but he says that

52:58

Truman has chosen because he's born on time,

53:00

not that he is special in any way. No.

53:03

He had, like, six other possible babies.

53:05

Right? Yeah. It's just he was born when

53:07

they're ready to start filming. Isn't that weird?

53:09

Like or isn't that, like, just an extra fun wrinkle

53:11

to it? Yeah. Like, if it's if it's it's like,

53:13

why me? God. Why me? It's like, you're born

53:15

on time. Right?

53:18

Yeah. You were two weeks early, mutually. We

53:20

needed to start shooting and you were there. Yeah.

53:23

I'd loved also that they had a camera

53:26

inside the womb where you could see, like,

53:28

him developing as a fetus. Right. Because

53:30

I believe that's probably maybe

53:32

a callback to when God's talking

53:34

to probably lot.

53:37

That I saw you before you were born when you

53:39

were within the womb kind of thing? That's

53:41

hard to hard to argue with. I think

53:43

you're right. And then I liked when whatever

53:45

guy gets home to the studio was, like, we can't let him die on

53:48

TV. Like, he was born on TV --

53:50

Right. -- because the guys are torqued. But anyway, it's fucking

53:52

cold. I know. Right? So, anyway, the the

53:54

dad shows up first in the town, right,

53:56

after being missing for twenty something years.

53:59

Mhmm. Didn't the director say he

54:01

broke back onto the set? Yeah. Didn't he,

54:03

like, parachute in? No. That was,

54:05

like, a flashback to somebody, like, wearing a shirt,

54:07

someone else. Yeah. Okay. But he was used to

54:09

something. He somehow got in.

54:11

Right. So he snuck in, you know, whatever.

54:14

But then the director's like, no. We'll

54:16

have him fake amnesia. So so,

54:18

like, he snuck back in and

54:20

then, like, oh, let's recast him as the dad with

54:22

amnesia. Yeah. How did

54:24

what is the dad's motivation for going along with

54:26

that if he if he broke back into the show to talk

54:29

to Truman? He didn't break break

54:31

back into the show to talk to Truman. He broke

54:33

back into the show to get his job back. You

54:35

think? Yeah. After twenty something

54:37

years, he was like, man, I'm unemployed. He's

54:40

probably been scheming for twenty years how to

54:42

get back in there and it finally paid off.

54:44

I don't know. Maybe checking day jobs as a waiter

54:46

or something, trying to get an acting gig again

54:48

and just can't do it and he's like, you know

54:51

what would get me my acting gig back if

54:53

they couldn't write me out of the show because

54:55

I'm this dude's dad. That's

54:57

distinctly plausible. And that that's

54:59

actually a a good explanation. I guess

55:02

I was thinking because does explain why

55:04

he'd go along with being recast. It because

55:06

I I thought that like he fell in love with the kid,

55:08

you know, that he raised for years. Right?

55:10

And that maybe he felt bad for

55:13

fucking him over like that, you know, watching making

55:15

him watch his dad die. I don't know.

55:17

I think if that was the case that he would have not

55:19

gone along with that in the first place, Well, so what

55:22

if he didn't? What if when they're hugging it out?

55:24

He's whispering to him. Oh,

55:26

but he obviously was not as

55:28

we see in the rest of the movie. Tuman

55:30

still has to figure things out for himself. I mean, you

55:32

could have said, you know, you need to get

55:34

out of here. Here's the route out of the city where they

55:37

won't catch on camera. You

55:39

know, take the boat. Sure.

55:41

No. Because because drone could have driven across the

55:43

the bridge again. You know, like, what are the what are

55:45

the enfurlancers in? Yeah. That that's

55:47

not impossible, but that would be, like, really

55:49

lame and ruined the story. And also,

55:52

if that was what happened, then I sure

55:54

we would have seen it on TV. The reason we didn't

55:56

see the conversation is because it has nothing

55:58

to do with the greater storyline. It's just

56:00

them having a tearful reunion and

56:02

him getting to know his dad again. Yeah.

56:05

I think you're right. You know, just

56:07

because I don't I guess, I I wanted

56:09

it to I wanted some explanation for, like, why the

56:11

guy broke onto the set and then was, like, willing

56:14

to go along with some lie. I thought he

56:16

broke on to talk to Truman. Got it.

56:18

But if you if you don't suffer for the words, then

56:20

yeah. I mean, know, I mean, his his

56:22

fucking wife is just there for his paycheck.

56:24

His best friend since they were little kids

56:26

is just there for a paycheck. Well, now there's science

56:29

wheels. Yeah. Right?

56:31

Yeah. Reciting lines that are given to him through

56:33

his ear about like how you're my best

56:36

buddy man. Like -- Yeah. --

56:38

nobody in this world is a real person.

56:40

They're all just here managing

56:42

Truman. So Eve was

56:45

an actress And I'm

56:47

guessing that, like, they initially cut her off from him,

56:49

not because they were like, oh, she's gonna spell the

56:51

secret, but because they'd already cast his love

56:53

interest. Yes. Okay. So then

56:55

then when she's like, okay. Well, I can't be his love interest

56:57

because I you know, I'm super into this guy never talked

56:59

to because it's a nineties movie. And,

57:02

you know, I'm gonna just I'm gonna blow the whole thing.

57:05

Sky high. So she she tries to tell

57:07

me. I think that's not entirely unreasonable

57:09

for kids of that age year. I don't think so. You

57:11

mean the falling of love immediately. I have no idea.

57:13

Yeah. I mean, it's III

57:16

know that I had some thoughts like that. Maybe

57:19

not quite at the age that they were trying to

57:21

portray him as, but they had to use the same

57:23

actors. So obviously, they had to go with

57:25

late high school and we have to suspend our disbelief

57:27

a little bit. But, you know, if it was closer

57:29

to, like, fourteen or so,

57:32

I can totally see that because I thought

57:34

that kind of shit when I was fourteen. And, like,

57:36

Who knows? Maybe it even is real? And if

57:38

you do fall in love with someone at fourteen

57:40

at that crazy way and somehow it works,

57:42

then you just manage to have your whole life like

57:44

that, which should be interesting. Yeah, totally.

57:47

Why not? Yeah. I'm I'm I'm not saying that brings

57:49

anything down. I just I'm trying

57:51

to paint a narrative in my head if the order of things

57:53

went in. So she she wanted to burn down the

57:55

show because they wanted to keep them apart.

57:58

Yeah. Makes you She was the one person in the world

58:00

that cared about Truman. Do you think that she would have gone

58:02

along with the show if they were like, alright. Fine. You can beat his

58:04

wife. We

58:07

have to think no. Right? We have

58:09

to think no. You are correct. I mean, I don't have to

58:11

I shouldn't I shouldn't let you answer before I told you

58:13

what have to think. But no,

58:16

I think it's like

58:18

It The story doesn't work otherwise. Yeah.

58:21

I made maybe she would have been happy with that for

58:23

a minute or or, you know, a while.

58:26

But then she was like, no. I can't just keep lying to

58:28

him. Here here's what's going on. You know? Also,

58:30

like, the very first conversation they have

58:32

in the library is her being like,

58:35

hey, I can't talk with you, but

58:37

let's sneak out and I can tell you everything. You know?

58:39

Like, she's she's reneging

58:41

on the deal from her very first interaction with

58:43

him. True. But I wonder if they if they

58:45

renegotiated the deal, it should have gone along with it for

58:47

a while. I don't think

58:50

she would have. Yeah. Maybe maybe just

58:52

long enough to, like, actually get ten minutes alone with

58:54

him. Right. Right. Right. And

58:56

that's you can do the whisper and zir thing that you're

58:58

talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.

59:00

So so cut back to him at sea.

59:03

No. Before that, just

59:06

the the scene briefly, I wanted

59:08

to touch on this, the the scene the

59:10

interstitial scene where they have the interview with

59:13

with Christophe, and we get to see all the behind

59:15

the scenes stuff and all the the

59:17

control room, the crazy shit they're doing, and we get call

59:19

with Eve, between her and Christophe. I

59:23

thought I remembered that

59:25

scene being just really

59:27

long but also really impressed with I was

59:29

like, oh, wow. They cut away from the main action

59:31

of the movie to have this long extended

59:34

kind of art scene that isn't all that

59:36

isn't all that about the the the

59:38

what we care about, but they still made it really interesting

59:41

and that was kind of an off on guard thing for a movie

59:43

to do. And dude, it's like five

59:45

minutes When

59:48

when I watch it down, like, that is almost

59:50

nothing and it really drove home

59:52

to me the difference between, like,

59:55

this were a movie that reached

59:57

two hours in the past in

59:59

the nineties almost wouldn't make

1:00:01

it two theaters. Right? Like Titanic

1:00:04

was famous for how insanely long

1:00:06

it was and how people watched it anyway

1:00:08

and how that was such a huge thing. Didn't

1:00:11

they show with intermissions at some places?

1:00:13

In some places. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:00:15

it it it's like it's not even as long as it's book a Marvel

1:00:17

movie nowadays. And this

1:00:19

was In order to get older bladders to watch endgame.

1:00:23

Right. And and this just reminded

1:00:25

me that, like, oh, when I watched this movie,

1:00:28

that felt like a really long intermission. And

1:00:30

now that I'm watching this movie, like, I'm shocked

1:00:32

that the inciting incident is within the first few

1:00:34

moments, I I

1:00:36

do not find this intermission thing at all

1:00:38

long. And actually, it is pretty important to the story.

1:00:40

I like that they did it. Past

1:00:43

me was a idiot thinking

1:00:45

that this wasn't important to the main action. It

1:00:48

it's the movies have changed in the last

1:00:51

two decades, two and a half decades. And that's

1:00:53

a that's a interesting to watch that

1:00:55

happen. I think in some ways,

1:00:57

I wish they didn't sprawl as much.

1:00:59

I do think it's important to not

1:01:02

get lazy and just be like, oh, what's an extra

1:01:04

three minutes in a movie? Right? Oh, what's an extra

1:01:06

one minute for the scene? Because it all fucking

1:01:08

adds up and it ends up making movies

1:01:10

that are just worse overall.

1:01:12

think as long as you you gotta keep

1:01:15

hitting the emotional core, you gotta keep

1:01:17

hitting people in the feels in the movie,

1:01:19

And you can do that

1:01:21

with a really long movie if the movie requires

1:01:24

all that, but a lot of times, I think

1:01:26

just Directors have gotten lazy leaving

1:01:28

stuff in that they don't need to leave in. And this

1:01:31

movie was a nice refresher for me that,

1:01:33

like, oh, yes, sometimes in the past, movies used

1:01:35

to be tight and stick to

1:01:37

what needed to be told, and that was good.

1:01:39

Yeah. It's amazing coming at it

1:01:42

from this side of, like,

1:01:44

I don't think Game of Thrones was like the first one, but

1:01:46

it might be the most egregious -- Mhmm. -- where

1:01:48

it's like you mentioned like a three minute

1:01:50

cutaway Like Yeah. And,

1:01:53

like, you know, you get a whole Game

1:01:55

Thrones episode that's, like, maybe

1:01:57

not a whole one or whatever. You get four it's probably, like,

1:01:59

what Walking Dead's a more egregious example.

1:02:01

God, god. I hate walking dead. Right. You

1:02:04

you would get two good episodes of season,

1:02:07

two utter shit episodes than six

1:02:09

episodes of filler. Yeah. And,

1:02:12

like so, you know, we watched, like,

1:02:14

when we were young and unsullied in the

1:02:17

in the you know, late nineties, early two thousands.

1:02:19

A five minute digression from the protagonist

1:02:21

was like, oh my god, this is an eternity. And

1:02:23

now it's like, oh, thank god. It was only one episode

1:02:26

that we didn't see our protagonist. Right.

1:02:28

Right. You know, like, I I think

1:02:30

it is possible to have movie be longer and,

1:02:32

like, not have any stuff that needs cutting.

1:02:34

Like, Infinity War was two and a half hours

1:02:36

and I think it was perfectly paced. Yeah.

1:02:38

Infinity, was that the

1:02:40

first one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was

1:02:43

good. Endgame, not as

1:02:45

good. I don't know like, I don't know what I could possibly

1:02:47

I don't I don't have to think about it, like, what I would trim.

1:02:49

But, yeah, it didn't have, like, the same I

1:02:51

think InfiniBand had this cadence to

1:02:53

it. Like, it went place, started

1:02:55

over, like, you know, what's happening there, next place,

1:02:57

and it just kinda it did that and then built

1:02:59

all together, whereas Infinity War can do

1:03:01

it or Endgame couldn't do it that way. But we digress.

1:03:04

The whole thing with with Eve was interesting. She

1:03:07

has, like, a poster or something

1:03:09

of, like, free Truman So

1:03:12

I don't know if she's, like, the loan protester standing outside

1:03:14

the set or if there's, like, a small community or

1:03:16

even a large community people who are, like, this

1:03:18

is super fucked up. I think that we're supposed

1:03:21

to especially because this was in a time before

1:03:23

it was easy to make your own posters and stuff, I think

1:03:25

we're supposed to get impression that there there's

1:03:27

a some sizable contingent,

1:03:30

maybe, you know, a minority of the populace,

1:03:32

but some some portion of people who

1:03:34

don't like the Truman Show and think it's a

1:03:36

bad thing. Yeah. I think you're right. I

1:03:38

thought that was that was kind of a, you know,

1:03:40

like, go to protests and shit. Yeah. Kind of

1:03:42

a school background vibe about it. Right? Mhmm.

1:03:44

You know, I think he said you've been an inspiration to millions

1:03:47

when he's talking when the director is talking to

1:03:49

them. But, like, more like hundreds of millions.

1:03:52

You know, there are people in Japan or what, you

1:03:54

know, somewhat that phrase is somewhere in

1:03:56

Asia trying to, you

1:03:59

know, say his catchphrase. Right?

1:04:02

Mhmm. And, like so he's watched all over

1:04:04

the globe. And its lives are not translating

1:04:06

it, you know. So, like, the people learning English to watch

1:04:08

this show. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah.

1:04:11

It's big. So

1:04:13

alright. He I wanna when he

1:04:16

gets to the boat -- Yes. --

1:04:18

again Oh, it seems so good. I think it's

1:04:20

you know, it's dramatic and that's maybe why

1:04:22

he did the vote. Because like I said, I think if he drove over the

1:04:25

bridge again and just like drove around

1:04:27

the barricade Like,

1:04:30

you know, again, we're gonna throw in prison. I make

1:04:32

terrible TV. He doesn't know it's TV, but he's

1:04:34

like, they won't put me in prison. I'm I'm important

1:04:36

somehow. I but that's

1:04:38

it. That wouldn't have that just wouldn't have done it,

1:04:41

like, narratively for us either. Right?

1:04:43

Yes. It would have been a shitty story. Honestly,

1:04:45

he may have just that you know, if I'm in a

1:04:47

car, I'm stuck two roads, and

1:04:50

they can blockade all the roads. But

1:04:52

out in the ocean, it's just the entire fucking ocean.

1:04:55

Like, they can't they can't blockade the

1:04:57

entire ocean unless they have, you know, literally

1:04:59

the whole US navy. So I'm

1:05:02

I'm free. I suppose,

1:05:04

you know, it didn't look like he had a ton of supplies,

1:05:06

but he had some. I

1:05:09

just loved, you know, because,

1:05:11

again, they they play up his his fear of water,

1:05:13

which I thought was just, like, that

1:05:15

was that beat was hit enough times drill at

1:05:17

home exactly enough to where it wasn't, like,

1:05:19

over like heavy handed or anything. Mhmm.

1:05:23

I thought that was solid. And then

1:05:25

they're like, alright, rock the boat, turn up the

1:05:27

wind, make it rain, and as

1:05:29

he's being flailed around and splashed

1:05:32

the waves, like, you're gonna have to kill me. Or

1:05:34

is that is that all you've got? Yeah.

1:05:36

And he doesn't know who he's talking

1:05:38

to. Right? He he just knows some

1:05:41

force of nature is

1:05:43

trying to make a turn around. Yeah.

1:05:45

And it's epic. It

1:05:48

is awesome. We get

1:05:50

to see like the literal breath of god

1:05:52

as as Christophe unleashes

1:05:55

all the forces of nature on him. Yeah.

1:05:57

The lighting bolts does were the

1:05:59

light was lighting real or was it just making the noise?

1:06:01

I can't remember if one struck the boat. One

1:06:03

did strike the boat. Oh, so he was throwing lighting

1:06:05

bolts at it. Yes, Dan.

1:06:08

Yeah. And I

1:06:10

I really like the fact that Truman

1:06:13

had to commit to

1:06:16

dying for this. That I mean,

1:06:18

this is this is a test of wills

1:06:20

here. Right? You have the literal

1:06:23

power of god on one side and all

1:06:25

you have on the other side is a man who's

1:06:28

willing to die and god has

1:06:30

to test him. God has to know is he actually

1:06:32

willing to die? And then,

1:06:34

God has to decide, do I let

1:06:36

him free or do I kill him? And and that's

1:06:39

where the test of wills comes in. But

1:06:41

he he does have to test him first to make sure he's

1:06:43

willing to die for it. And so he brings him

1:06:45

right to the edge of death. And I thought it was

1:06:48

that was just fantastic. Like, just

1:06:50

standing up to god himself and saying,

1:06:52

you know, liberty or death. What

1:06:55

it was interesting I mean, there's handful of

1:06:58

them eating it, you know. Right.

1:07:00

And I mean, it's the extreme thing about the

1:07:02

contest of wills is that Truman doesn't even

1:07:05

really know what he's fighting.

1:07:07

Yeah. He doesn't know what he's fighting against or what

1:07:09

he's fighting for. It's just like something

1:07:11

is off, and I know it's off.

1:07:13

And I don't want that. Mhmm.

1:07:16

And that's that's enough for him to put everything

1:07:18

on the line. And his the

1:07:20

the director's conversation with Eve was

1:07:24

after his first escape.

1:07:26

Right? His first attempt. Mhmm. Mhmm.

1:07:28

So I remember he says,

1:07:30

no. If he sufficiently determined he can leave,

1:07:33

yeah, of course he can leave. He's not trapped. It's

1:07:35

not a cell. Maybe maybe just upset

1:07:37

because he likes his cell. Mhmm. And,

1:07:40

you know, yeah, he's sufficiently determined. Like, if he's willing

1:07:42

to drive through fire and drive over the ocean and

1:07:45

fight you know, guys

1:07:47

in hazmat sit or in radiation suits.

1:07:50

No. No. More determination than that. It's,

1:07:52

like, So, I mean, then he does demonstrate

1:07:55

more determination than that. But it's, like, come on.

1:07:57

You can't say if he's sufficiently determined. But, like,

1:07:59

only if he's willing to fight ten guys, not, you

1:08:01

know, not merely eight. Only

1:08:03

if he's willing to literally give his

1:08:05

life to god. Yeah. Only yeah.

1:08:07

Only if he's, like, not just willing

1:08:10

to say, I'm ready to die for this, but, like, totally

1:08:12

does. You know, or or appears

1:08:14

to. Mhmm. And not only

1:08:16

that, did you notice that at the very

1:08:19

end, like, at the peak of him being dead

1:08:21

when he's a half off the boat. He's

1:08:23

in the traditional Christ pose, the the

1:08:25

crucifix, like, splayed out

1:08:27

both arms to the side thing. Yeah. Well

1:08:29

-- Yeah. -- the thing is It wasn't subtle, but it

1:08:31

also wasn't, like, in your

1:08:33

face. It was a perfectly plausible way to

1:08:35

be hanging from a boat after being tossed around and

1:08:37

having your leg trapped in the the

1:08:40

rope. You know, Slaps at least he

1:08:42

wasn't it wasn't, like, in love

1:08:44

this movie. It's it's a masterpiece too, but Spider

1:08:47

Man too. Right. You know what type of thing

1:08:49

I'm talking about. Right? I do. Yes. Good

1:08:51

seam. But that movie that movie is also twenty years

1:08:53

old. And so it's like, yeah. We that

1:08:55

that was super heavy handed, but that That

1:08:57

was a bit devilicious in that movie. Yeah.

1:09:00

You know, but we just didn't know this one. It was at least it

1:09:02

was at least fleeting, you know. It was just a couple

1:09:04

seconds. Right. And it wasn't if

1:09:06

there was a musical score too, I don't remember what it was.

1:09:08

But in any case so you're right.

1:09:10

He crashes into the wall. And then

1:09:12

he beats on it, and then he finds the stairs. Mhmm.

1:09:15

And so It's their way to heaven. He ascends into

1:09:17

the clouds. Yeah. So he

1:09:20

I mean, it would have been cool enough if he punched his way through

1:09:22

the wall. Right? Or grab some of the boat to hit

1:09:24

his way through. But then, I'm just trying

1:09:26

to think of, like, you know, why wouldn't he notice earlier or

1:09:28

whatever? But, like, why the hell would he? You know,

1:09:31

he he sees what appears to have

1:09:33

been you know, the whole the whole life he's been looking out

1:09:35

over the ocean. Mhmm. And he's been looking at this

1:09:37

fucking wall. And so he gets

1:09:39

to it, and he's just trying to get through it.

1:09:40

And then, like, kind like, a moment of desperation he looks

1:09:43

around. Right? Mhmm. And then he's,

1:09:45

like, I can just walk on this

1:09:47

and get right right over. And

1:09:49

yeah, it's like a cinematically epic ascension

1:09:52

up up the stairs with his shadow

1:09:54

cast on the wall behind him like Plato's cave.

1:09:56

You know? Yes. Oh, good analogy.

1:09:59

I hadn't thought of that 1II don't

1:10:01

know. It it sort of fits. Right?

1:10:03

It works. Yeah. I don't know. It was awesome.

1:10:06

We talk to you about basically what he and god talk about.

1:10:08

Yeah. I love the scene where the clouds part and

1:10:10

the sun shines down on him and he starts

1:10:12

talking to his Well, to

1:10:14

God, and I love the beat where he

1:10:16

says, who are you? And

1:10:19

Christophe replies, I am the

1:10:21

creator. And then there's just like a half

1:10:23

second pause of a TV show.

1:10:26

Yes. Yeah. It's

1:10:28

like that's that's perfect. Yeah. Like

1:10:31

he said, it's not clear if this Christianity, but he does have like

1:10:33

this, you know, man in the sky thing, which, like,

1:10:35

frankly, if I had any notion

1:10:37

of God, which Truman clearly did,

1:10:39

I would have thought it was him the whole you know, soon as

1:10:41

thunderbolts started being thrown at me, like, okay, God's

1:10:44

trying to stop me. I should And he

1:10:46

doesn't ask I don't think Drew asks why.

1:10:49

Maybe he says, like, what was, you know, was it real? And

1:10:51

he's, like, you know oh, he says, so none of it was

1:10:53

real. He's, like, you were real. Mhmm. But

1:10:56

I don't think he asks why. I can't

1:10:59

remember him asking why either and I would

1:11:01

have remembered if he did. At some point, the director

1:11:03

says, like, you give hope to millions. Or something.

1:11:06

Mhmm. But you inspire millions or whatever.

1:11:08

Maybe maybe that was in response to a why.

1:11:10

But, Frank, if he doesn't if he does ask why, then the

1:11:12

point I'm about to make isn't true. But I think he doesn't

1:11:14

ask because he doesn't care. Yeah. He's like,

1:11:16

whatever your reasoning was isn't sufficient. Yeah.

1:11:19

I I'm done. And, you

1:11:21

know, come on, Truman. I know you better than know yourself.

1:11:24

You're scared right now. So of course, I'm scared.

1:11:26

I'm about to walk through the fucking

1:11:28

sky into a dark into a black abyss.

1:11:31

No. That's why I'm not running in there, you know,

1:11:33

right now. I'm hesitating for a second at the door.

1:11:35

Not because I want to turn around. There could

1:11:37

be literally anything out there. There could be Eldridge

1:11:39

Monstrosities from Lovecraft, you know?

1:11:42

Like, who the fuck knows? Yeah. I

1:11:44

mean, It's you know, what's also

1:11:46

nice too is, like, it could have been

1:11:49

the same set that, like, the director was on. That's the fact that

1:11:51

I thought was happening. Mhmm. When he crashes in,

1:11:53

he finds the door. I thought, like, he's alright, everyone out

1:11:55

because he was gonna just talk with Truman directly.

1:11:58

Mhmm. But what was nice is the movie didn't end

1:12:00

with him being reunited with Eve. I like

1:12:02

how I need a customer her name. Yeah.

1:12:05

But it didn't end at, like, you know,

1:12:07

him finding her and, you know, wrote

1:12:10

a whatever musically scored,

1:12:12

run through the run to each

1:12:14

other or something. Right? Yeah. It's like

1:12:17

an Just yeah. Once he once he's off camera,

1:12:19

he's gone. Yeah. It it ends

1:12:21

with with his freedom and

1:12:23

then the rest is up to him. Yeah. It was awesome.

1:12:26

Just like humanity. So

1:12:28

why do you wanna watch this movie other

1:12:30

than it was epic? Actually,

1:12:32

I'm really glad to hear you. Can we table that for

1:12:34

just two minutes? Because there was two other things I wanted

1:12:36

to hit real quick. Hell yeah? Okay. So

1:12:39

the first thing is that one of the last thing,

1:12:41

Chris, stuff tells him is you're afraid

1:12:44

that's why you can't leave. And

1:12:46

like when he said that, I was like,

1:12:48

oh my god. You fucking idiot. That's

1:12:51

exactly what you would say to someone

1:12:53

to motivate them to leave. You know?

1:12:55

That's like you cower, you're not gonna walk

1:12:57

out that door. That's but But

1:12:59

that got me to thinking, I think

1:13:02

I think maybe Christophe wanted

1:13:04

him to leave and he

1:13:06

gave him that little extra push because he was

1:13:08

scared that maybe he wouldn't. And

1:13:11

it makes me wonder like, is

1:13:14

the movie trying to say the same thing about God

1:13:16

that maybe God was also

1:13:18

trying to get humans to like, I'll keep

1:13:21

you sheltered in this garden for as long as you

1:13:23

need it, but I would like you to leave

1:13:25

and become your own people and

1:13:28

that is that is our one hint that

1:13:30

we get that Christophe feels

1:13:32

the same way. And that maybe God isn't

1:13:34

an evil monster. He's, you know, like

1:13:36

like a parent watching over kids and they're they're

1:13:39

rich they're they're weak times until

1:13:41

they can go off on their own. He's a mama

1:13:43

bird shoving them out of the nest when they're ready to fly.

1:13:45

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's certainly more plausible

1:13:48

than, like, god who knows everything and

1:13:50

can see the future. Being surprised and offended that

1:13:52

they ate from this tree that he put right next to them full

1:13:54

of delicious fruit, you know. Right.

1:13:56

Yeah. I think that now that was always there, that was

1:13:58

always gonna happen because you're always supposed to think

1:14:00

that makes a lot more sense. And, you

1:14:04

know, it's funny. I I think you're right

1:14:06

that Christophe it's hard to say. Right? Because this has

1:14:08

been his entire life. For -- Mhmm. -- as

1:14:10

long as Truman's been alive. Mhmm. So

1:14:13

III do wonder how quickly he's

1:14:15

ready just to toss it out the window. But,

1:14:17

like, the the game was up as soon as he

1:14:19

dug his way out of his out of his basement. Right?

1:14:22

Like, there was he was gonna go back to work.

1:14:25

No. And so, like,

1:14:28

maybe that was the maybe that was why he pushed him

1:14:30

out the door, you know, with that with that motivation,

1:14:32

like, oh, aren't you scared? Because

1:14:35

he he knows that, like, man, if he turns

1:14:37

around, no one's gonna watch this because this

1:14:39

will be garbage. Yeah. But

1:14:41

it just means that he started to pull the plug on his baby

1:14:43

pretty fast. And

1:14:45

also, like, would Christophe even want to

1:14:47

keep doing this work at that point? Like Truman

1:14:49

would be a broken man. Well, like, what would

1:14:52

even, like, diabetically, what would

1:14:54

the show even be after that? Yeah. Like,

1:14:56

he knows that the

1:14:58

forces of nature have him here. He knows that everyone

1:15:00

here is not who they seem to be. And,

1:15:02

like, the whole point of having the

1:15:04

Truman Show was that he was

1:15:06

genuine that he wasn't acting. Right?

1:15:09

Yeah. If he went back, he'd be acting for the rest of his

1:15:11

life. Yeah. There there was no going

1:15:13

back. And that's that's the curse of

1:15:15

knowledge. Right? Once you have the knowledge of

1:15:17

good and evil, then you can't ever

1:15:19

unlearn it. Unless not powerful data

1:15:22

you could take it from you. But -- Yeah.

1:15:24

Sure. -- right? But, you know,

1:15:26

Christophe can't and God didn't. So

1:15:29

Yeah. No. I mean, I think I think

1:15:31

you're spot on. Also, would

1:15:34

you I'm assuming, we're extremely happy when

1:15:36

Truman left at the end because was.

1:15:38

I think it's a natural human reaction. Right? Yeah. Was anyone

1:15:40

like, oh, you should have turned around. Right?

1:15:43

But also I noticed everybody in the

1:15:46

world they they did a quick sweep of all the people

1:15:48

that we'd seen throughout the show watching the show,

1:15:50

and they were all fucking cheering too. They were

1:15:52

ecstatic. Right? And this has been a

1:15:54

staple for a generation. Yeah.

1:15:56

You know? It's I mean, I

1:15:58

think, again, they I

1:16:00

don't know if they articulated it in so many words

1:16:02

and their minds that like the show will the show will go

1:16:05

to go straight to shit after this.

1:16:07

And I'd rather I'd rather end on a high note,

1:16:09

I think it's like they all love Truman.

1:16:12

Right? Yeah. They actually love him as as

1:16:14

a person, not like you know, the way

1:16:16

we love Truman.

1:16:20

Right? Right. We like the actor. Right? They

1:16:22

like the person. So

1:16:25

when it's clear that he's becoming

1:16:28

unsettled and unhappy where he is, they want

1:16:30

what's best for him. Yeah.

1:16:32

I I think this this movie says

1:16:35

is optimistic about humanity

1:16:37

that it believes people really

1:16:40

want the best for other people, even

1:16:42

strangers. No. Not a stranger, I guess,

1:16:44

if you've watched them as your whole life, but

1:16:47

they they they want him to be happy

1:16:49

and everyone cheers at the end

1:16:51

and it's great. Yeah. I think

1:16:54

I think you're right. And I think that brings me back

1:16:56

to, like, you asked me earlier, like, why

1:16:58

did you wanna watch this movie? I mean,

1:17:00

for a lot of reasons, I thought it was

1:17:02

hilarious, I thought it was well acted. I

1:17:05

really liked anything that touches on dissociation,

1:17:07

but also because I think this

1:17:10

is a fundamentally better myth

1:17:12

than the original Garden of Eden myth.

1:17:15

And I I don't think that's necessarily the

1:17:17

fault of, you know, whoever collated

1:17:20

the those original stories because they

1:17:22

were for people six, eight thousand

1:17:24

years ago, maybe to four thousand

1:17:26

years ago, whatever, they were for other people

1:17:28

with other needs. And we

1:17:31

they've stuck around But I like

1:17:33

the fact that we reinterpret them,

1:17:36

and we make them better, and now we make them

1:17:38

a myth that speaks to us.

1:17:40

And I would I

1:17:43

like both having the cultural touchstone of the

1:17:45

Garden of Eden Myth and the fact that we can

1:17:47

surpass it and make something better,

1:17:50

which fits us as

1:17:52

humans in this century. And

1:17:55

I just wanted to draw attention to something that I thought

1:17:57

did that very well that showed us us

1:17:59

at our best and at our mythological

1:18:02

myth making for ourselves. I think that's

1:18:04

the sign of like a

1:18:07

solid idea is, like, you can say, this part of

1:18:09

the bible is actually sick. You know?

1:18:11

Like, this part's cool and people should pay

1:18:14

attention to that. Now if you hear that too often,

1:18:16

think you're a wolf and she's sheep's clothing. But

1:18:19

if you know, because, you know, I think

1:18:21

well, the thing is, I think the original one is

1:18:23

shit, though. Like, I I don't think

1:18:26

the the god in the original myth

1:18:28

was supposed to be a parent who

1:18:30

was shepherding humanity along through

1:18:32

their early formative years where they need

1:18:34

to be protected and then gently push

1:18:36

them out because he knew that's best for them. Like,

1:18:39

he he was just a straight up dick who was

1:18:41

punishing people who didn't folate him enough.

1:18:43

And it was instead of setting up why we all deserve

1:18:45

to be tortured all the time. Exactly. Yeah.

1:18:48

Yeah. So I I do not like the original

1:18:50

myth, but I like the way we

1:18:52

have recast it. Yeah. Take it in its

1:18:54

best in the best possible interpretation and

1:18:56

tell it in a modern way. Yeah.

1:18:58

Yeah. I mean, I I I'm

1:19:01

I'm not very well read in the

1:19:03

history of literature but

1:19:06

or movies for that matter. But I've

1:19:08

I've read handful of old books and seen a handful

1:19:10

of old movies. And in my humble

1:19:12

opinion, storytelling has just gotten a lot better in the

1:19:14

last thirty years. Yeah.

1:19:16

Like, things if you need something to happen

1:19:18

in a book in, you know, the great Gatsby,

1:19:21

you just it just happened. Who cares? Mhmm.

1:19:23

What do you mean? What do you mean? Why did it happen? Like,

1:19:25

there's no why? This is just a random occurrence

1:19:27

of events because I wanna I

1:19:29

want these things to happen. I'm not telling a

1:19:31

story per se. Right? Right.

1:19:34

It's that that's how, like, a lot of crap felt, and

1:19:36

I don't think that's a, you know, that's a whole lot of thing

1:19:38

that I don't understand. But in my opinion, that's

1:19:40

not good storytelling. And

1:19:43

so, you know, like, a good story is like this where,

1:19:45

you know, you get tons of pathos

1:19:48

for the character or

1:19:50

for the characters. They

1:19:52

go through some, you know, growth

1:19:54

and trials and hopefully

1:19:56

at the end come out on top. Right? Yeah.

1:19:59

Yeah. It's a which

1:20:01

which yeah. None of that happened in in the original

1:20:04

version. Not clear why we're supposed

1:20:06

to care about Adam and Eve other than their, I guess,

1:20:08

literally all of our great grandparents. Mhmm.

1:20:11

But yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not gonna shit on the

1:20:13

the the possibly OG version

1:20:15

of the story too hard. But this

1:20:18

is also sign up kind

1:20:21

of an interesting reflection

1:20:24

on my own personal change if you don't

1:20:26

mind me staring my own belly button just for a minute.

1:20:29

No. I never heard that word till Brian

1:20:31

used it. Oh, really? I somehow missed

1:20:33

it. Now I see it a few times a year, it

1:20:36

seems like. Right. Yes. I

1:20:38

did which just happens when the first time you run

1:20:41

into something like that. Right? There's a word -- Ours.

1:20:43

-- and I can't remember what it is. Yeah. There's

1:20:45

no noise in there. I'll hear it all the time.

1:20:49

Awesome. Oh,

1:20:51

yeah. But when I originally

1:20:54

suggested to you that we watched this as

1:20:56

part of our thing. It was

1:20:58

going to be at least in part of

1:21:00

it, I was I wanted to talk about

1:21:03

the reality we are presented, and I wanted

1:21:05

to ask things like, was Christophe

1:21:08

doing the right thing? Would we rather live

1:21:11

in a garden of Eden that is controlled

1:21:13

by AIs to make,

1:21:16

you know, be perfectly safe where we can be

1:21:18

happy. And

1:21:21

those are the kinds of things I thought when I first saw

1:21:23

this twenty three, twenty four

1:21:25

years ago. Things

1:21:28

like, is is the

1:21:30

Garden of Eden good actually because

1:21:33

there isn't suffering there? Did

1:21:35

Truman make the wrong decision by leaving?

1:21:38

And just over the conversation

1:21:40

the last ten, fifteen minutes especially,

1:21:43

I guess, I've come to the point where that isn't

1:21:45

even really a thing I'm thinking about anymore.

1:21:47

Like, no, obviously, you wouldn't want

1:21:49

to be in that situation, but also

1:21:52

you do need it at first and

1:21:54

that's weird because I

1:21:57

literally just a couple weeks ago was expecting

1:21:59

to come in talking about the same stuff

1:22:01

I thought about when I first watched it those years ago,

1:22:03

like, should we try

1:22:05

to make a garden of Eden type

1:22:08

place. And it's weird that I don't

1:22:10

even find out a thing

1:22:12

that I need to debate anymore unless

1:22:14

you would like to. Talk about that. I

1:22:16

feel like we talked about that it might have been

1:22:18

during the epilocks of Worth A Candel.

1:22:21

Mhmm. But you know, whether or not it'd be desirable

1:22:24

to have those kind of safety rails on life. Mhmm.

1:22:26

And you are kind of on the firm position that,

1:22:28

like, we should be allowed to nuke ourselves in the face.

1:22:31

Because free time is that important. Yeah.

1:22:33

And I don't think you're wrong.

1:22:37

Now, I mean, I don't think I

1:22:39

don't I don't have I don't one hundred percent agree with

1:22:41

you, but I I totally see where you're coming from.

1:22:43

Right. But, yeah, I think

1:22:46

I mean, it in the case of

1:22:48

Truman, I don't think we can even ask

1:22:50

that question. Should he have turned around? Because I

1:22:52

don't he actually Yeah. There

1:22:54

there's no there was no returning. Yeah.

1:22:57

Right? Well well, again, he's

1:22:59

gonna go back to his desk and, like, quote unquote,

1:23:01

pay his bills. Like -- Yeah. -- there

1:23:04

there's just it it would be

1:23:06

like Neo not taking the

1:23:08

blue pill, but just turning around and going home.

1:23:11

Mhmm. Right? After seeing the matrix.

1:23:13

I was gonna say what it was. Worse than that.

1:23:15

Yeah. Yeah. Be like if he took the blue pill,

1:23:18

or he took the red pill, he goes out, and then

1:23:20

he does pulls a Cipher. And he's like, you know what?

1:23:22

I'm going back to the matrix. Except

1:23:24

for in in Cipher's case, at

1:23:26

least he was told, yeah, we'll like remember me.

1:23:28

Yeah. But it'll be you. But don't worry about why that

1:23:30

doesn't make sense. Right. Right? Because

1:23:32

he didn't care he was desperate. Right? Right.

1:23:34

Truly doesn't even get that. He just has to go back and act.

1:23:37

Yeah. Oh, hey, twins. Yep. No.

1:23:39

Sure do love me some, you know,

1:23:42

rooster chicken. Rooster chicken. This this

1:23:44

hot chocolate mix that his wife plugs

1:23:46

while, like, he's in the middle of a breakdown.

1:23:49

And he's just like, what are you even talking

1:23:51

about? I

1:23:53

loved his his friend even though he always brought

1:23:55

the six pack, he always made sure that the label

1:23:57

is facing the camera. God, you're right. When

1:24:02

his wife comes home with, like, that whatever

1:24:05

multi tool kitchen appliance thing,

1:24:07

the when I was first watching that, all I noticed is that

1:24:09

this is a very bladder gang over Jim Carey's butt.

1:24:12

Yeah. And then I in the second, I watched him,

1:24:14

like, oh, she's because I think I was captivated by his

1:24:16

butt. But then the second, I was like, oh, she's pitching

1:24:18

that thing hard. Looking right at the camera,

1:24:20

I didn't even catch how, like, this was after

1:24:23

the chicken thing. You know, like, the first time you got pushed in front

1:24:25

of that poster, noticed that product placement. But

1:24:27

I missed the one with that just because the circumstances

1:24:29

were different, and it was so much more, like, in our

1:24:31

phase. Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:33

It's don't know. As far as like,

1:24:36

I I do like the idea of, like or I

1:24:38

I like the the the question, you know, is this

1:24:40

a desirable universe? Yeah.

1:24:42

Should we create AI gods that will watch over

1:24:44

us the same way Christophe watches over Truman?

1:24:47

I mean, how much watching

1:24:49

over do we really want? Right?

1:24:51

I think that's the key because in treatments case,

1:24:53

there were no real people he could interact with.

1:24:56

It wasn't just watching over. It was the

1:24:58

entire world is false. The

1:25:00

entire world is steadfast. And

1:25:03

he's still at risk. You know, he

1:25:05

could still break his leg. That's true.

1:25:07

You know, he he could still catch

1:25:09

a serious illness. So, like,

1:25:11

he might drown. Right. Oh, yeah. Right?

1:25:14

Especially if God tries to kill him. So,

1:25:17

like, all of that, it

1:25:20

it we have to turn it up even.

1:25:22

So maybe we have a safer universe. We're like, no one

1:25:24

can get hurt or sick, but we're some of our real people

1:25:27

who hopefully won't hurt our feelings. Mhmm.

1:25:29

Right? So, no, I think the only way to do this

1:25:32

would be to, you know, it it'd be just one

1:25:34

step sort of wire wire heading because we'd also have

1:25:36

to forget that we're in a in a in

1:25:38

a simulation like this. Right? Right. Yeah.

1:25:40

Otherwise, we couldn't enjoy being

1:25:42

there. Yeah. I mean, frankly, if

1:25:45

if I was allowed to truman show myself out of there

1:25:47

and figure it out, then that sounds a little better than

1:25:49

being wireheaded. But if if

1:25:51

if I was just gonna be there forever, just fire head me

1:25:53

at stake. I think, you

1:25:55

know, I think would have much

1:25:57

less problems with Christophe if like he had

1:25:59

cameras in orbit that were always watching everything

1:26:02

but didn't actually choreograph

1:26:05

events in my life, and as a bonus, like

1:26:07

he would bat aside any stray

1:26:09

asteroids that would hit the earth. That doesn't

1:26:11

sound stark. Any steeper volcanoes, you know? Yeah.

1:26:13

That's pretty non invasive. Yeah.

1:26:15

And, yeah, I I mean, I

1:26:18

that's what I've that's the kind of protector

1:26:21

superpower I'd be in favor of. Right.

1:26:24

If if we all do launch the nukes at

1:26:26

each other, oh, somehow for some reason

1:26:28

they didn't explode when they landed.

1:26:30

Yeah. All of them didn't go off. Isn't that something?

1:26:33

Yep. Yeah. Not at the end of that. Yeah.

1:26:36

Alright. Well, do you so

1:26:38

Great to watch this with you. Yes? Yeah. What

1:26:41

did you guys think of it? Both of you. I think

1:26:43

she really liked it too. I mean, we talked about it

1:26:45

after we watched it and More

1:26:47

about it today or yesterday, I forget. We watched

1:26:49

it on Tuesday night. Mhmm.

1:26:52

I think. Yeah. So

1:26:54

no. I mean, she enjoyed it. I think we we've

1:26:57

taken to talking about, like I I

1:26:59

mentioned, like, we'll pause stuff and talk about it in middle

1:27:02

of things. Which we didn't do that much in this one, mainly

1:27:04

because it wasn't long enough neat bathroom breaks. So

1:27:06

we did stop at least once to grab some food or something.

1:27:09

But no. I mean, it was

1:27:11

just you know No. Short

1:27:13

short answer. She liked it too. Sure. Yeah.

1:27:16

Alright. Oh, yeah. I I don't

1:27:18

know I'd be curious if anyone saw this and

1:27:20

was like, oh, that I wish hadn't wasted an hour and

1:27:22

forty minutes watching that. Yeah. That'd

1:27:24

be interesting. If anyone did thank that,

1:27:26

I'd be curious to hear from Me too.

1:27:28

But mainly so I could tell them they're wrong.

1:27:31

Right? Alright.

1:27:33

Well, so two things before

1:27:36

we wrap this up, The first being

1:27:38

that while we were on hiatus for the

1:27:40

three weeks, I paused all the Patreon billing, so

1:27:42

company got billed for months where we didn't do anything.

1:27:45

But this month, this is definitely gonna come out

1:27:47

before the end of December, although probably not for

1:27:49

a few days still because I'm about to be traveling

1:27:51

to San Francisco. But this month,

1:27:53

we got like three three shows that came out,

1:27:55

so I I figured I'm just gonna do the unpause

1:27:57

and hopefully we can get back into the swing

1:27:59

of things. If we don't, then I will

1:28:02

pause the boom again. So, you know, people aren't

1:28:04

getting charged for no content. But just

1:28:07

just letting people know that if they see a bill

1:28:09

again this month, it's it's because I have unpaused

1:28:11

the the billing thing. Thank you, Adrianne.

1:28:14

Yeah. You guys are awesome. We really, really

1:28:16

do appreciate it. And

1:28:18

the other thing was that what

1:28:20

is the next thing we're going to watch since we

1:28:22

decided that we both get to have the other

1:28:24

person watch one movie they haven't seen before. Man,

1:28:27

you know, I know that I've watched in

1:28:29

the last Couple years, several

1:28:33

cerebral thinking movies. Mhmm.

1:28:36

And I can't think of any of them. And I spent the

1:28:38

last couple of weeks in the back burner

1:28:40

trying to think of what they might be. And

1:28:42

Do you usually watch movies with your wife? Yeah.

1:28:44

We know why I asked her too. I mean, it's just we

1:28:46

we watch a lot of stuff. You know, so

1:28:48

for every for every good thing we watch, we probably watch three

1:28:50

bad things. Okay. You

1:28:53

know, so I do you do

1:28:55

you need more time? No. No. I guess I was

1:28:57

dancing around the fact that I'm not

1:28:59

quite reluctant, but it because it

1:29:01

fits in so well. You know, because that's you

1:29:03

want me you want me to think fall

1:29:05

from grace And I kept

1:29:07

saying that Trune could never go

1:29:09

back. Right? Mhmm. Mhmm. I think that

1:29:11

actually is the theme I want you to to

1:29:14

bear in mind watching Thor, Eleventh

1:29:16

Under. Oh, okay. So

1:29:19

and we can we can find time to

1:29:21

do that whenever you'd like. Yeah.

1:29:24

I I do think a thirty second

1:29:26

crash course on Thor might

1:29:28

be necessary. So I'll just run it that before

1:29:30

you stop me. So I guess the important

1:29:33

thing to keep in mind is, right,

1:29:35

he you could skip the second movie.

1:29:37

He self actualizes in the first one.

1:29:40

Right? He'll he'll So the first one,

1:29:42

he gets kicked out of Vail Malab because

1:29:44

he's being a total turd. And his

1:29:46

dad is like, you're being a turd teenager. You gotta go

1:29:48

down to Earth, be stripped of your power to learn some less sins.

1:29:51

He is stripped of his powers. He learned some lessons,

1:29:53

and he gets his powers back. Yes. Yeah. Except

1:29:55

for his Asgard, Natalhala. Oh,

1:29:57

Frank. Sorry. No. No. It's not a big deal except

1:29:59

for he wasn't dead. They

1:30:04

wanted bring Oh, yeah. I mean, you're getting more into it than

1:30:06

I was. I was I was gonna say, I was gonna remind everybody

1:30:09

that Radnoroc, right,

1:30:11

he watches his his

1:30:13

dad die, he loses

1:30:16

his hammer. He has to

1:30:18

play an instrumental role in blowing up his entire

1:30:20

planet after watching most of his population get

1:30:22

massacred. That

1:30:24

all happens. Does he what? Does he

1:30:26

lose his eye too? He loses his

1:30:28

eye, fighting his sister. Yep. Alright. And

1:30:31

he has to blow up his whole planet or realm with planning

1:30:33

on how mythological he is.

1:30:38

And then on the way leaving the debris

1:30:40

of his homeworld, he's picked up by Thanos,

1:30:42

and they kill his brother, they

1:30:45

kill Eltego on a ship, and

1:30:47

then he goes

1:30:50

off, gets he tries to kill himself

1:30:52

making a new weapon, survives and gets weapon

1:30:54

instead, and fails to

1:30:56

stop Thanos. From annihilating

1:30:59

half population. And that all happens

1:31:01

like within a week, if

1:31:03

you're endorsed point of view, Right? Okay.

1:31:06

I mean Yeah. So I forget because the

1:31:08

movies came out years apart, but yeah. You're right.

1:31:10

Exactly. That that's why I wanted to emphasize it was

1:31:12

just because he had a really, really rough

1:31:14

week like, five years

1:31:16

before endgame started. And that's where,

1:31:19

like, you know, he's he's given up. He

1:31:21

they don't they don't use the Thanos word

1:31:25

you know, he he got chronically overweight. Mhmm.

1:31:28

But, like, I I wanted

1:31:30

to just remind kinda just bring

1:31:32

back to mind, like, you know, this is why he's broken.

1:31:35

Right? He fails to stop all the bad things were

1:31:37

happening. And in a in

1:31:39

a heroic responsibility way, it was actually

1:31:41

his fault. And so he blames

1:31:43

himself for all those fuckups. Anyway,

1:31:46

that's what you need to keep in mind going into Thor eleven

1:31:48

Thunder. So he leaves Endgame. With

1:31:53

he puts Valkyrie in charge of

1:31:55

little asgard. Mhmm. And

1:31:57

he leaves with the guardian

1:31:59

to the galaxy and picks him up from space. Alright.

1:32:02

Yeah. Alright. So cool. We'll we'll watch that.

1:32:04

It'll be it'll be interesting. Like I said, didn't quite

1:32:06

know felt about this movie. I still don't,

1:32:08

but we'll we'll see if figure it out by the end of

1:32:10

next episode. Alright. Sounds good. Awesome.

1:32:12

Thanks, man. And thanks again for the smoothie recommendation. I

1:32:14

will remember it forever. This was awesome. Oh,

1:32:17

sweet. I'm glad to hear that. I don't know if you'll

1:32:19

if you'll come away from Love and Under as enthusiasts

1:32:21

strictly, but if you do hate it, try

1:32:23

to find parts that you like, and we'll talk about all

1:32:25

the parts that you hate too. Okay. But sounds

1:32:27

good. But I don't wanna tell you how to watch it. Just have

1:32:29

fun. Alright. I'll do that

1:32:31

and I'll take some notes. Sounds good. If I

1:32:33

don't see you, you're leaving for solsys

1:32:36

party tomorrow. Right? Yes. Well

1:32:38

then I probably won't see it before you go.

1:32:40

So if I don't, then I gotta say, good afternoon,

1:32:42

good evening, and good night.